001I'm sorry. >> Yep. >> Hi Joel. How are you? How are you doing? >> I'm at your hospital bustling with pinchers. >> What do you What do you mean? >> St. Patty's all >> Yes, they are. Yes. >> That was We don't do the leprechauns at our house, so they're always >> setting traps going. We don't ever catch less. >> Never going to catch less in this house. Easter Bunny and Santa Claus come. >> That's about the extent. >> We don't need any more imaginary characters. >> We don't do Elf on the Shelf. >> I tried doing Elf on the Shelf. I feel like I failed as a mom. I waited too long and then I wasn't moving it enough and the kids were like, "Oh, I'm supposed to move every day. Why is it
002>> our oldest son who did it for um but I never bought into it. Like to call the meeting and the Slake Salem Drake School to order. Please stand for the pledge by our Cub Scouts. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you guys. >> I don't think he's my littlest one. >> Mr. Hamilton >> present. >> Mrs. Gich >> here. >> Mr. Hurst >> present. >> Mr. Gentiel >> here. >> And I am present. Do we meet open meeting compliance check? >> Check. >> All right. Do we have uh a motion for approval of consent agenda items? >> I'll make a a motion to approve the consent agenda items with one
003um modification for the February 24th meeting minutes, the close session meeting minutes to add that uh Mr. Gentiel joined in session during uh close session uh via phone. >> Is there a second with the addition? >> I'll second. >> Motion by Mrs. Gallich, second by Mr. Hurst. All those in favor? >> I I opposed. I'm going to abstain because I did miss the regular board meeting. I think it just makes sense for me to abain. Okay. Um and then we have approval of resinations and commendments. >> Yep. Just looking for the board to approve the uh retirement of Mr. Pete Au after 29 years of service. He is looking for the next chapter in his life. Um so just looking for a motion to approve that language. >> Well, I first thank Mr. A for
004his service to the district for all those years. He was a teacher who I had and my siblings and I was very awesome to have as a teacher and I'm excited for him to be able to join us next chapter. So >> great person. Just a Dodger fan. >> Thank you, Mr. Is it make a motion to approve the resignation? >> I'll second. >> Motion by Hopkins, second by Jentiel. All those in favor? >> I opposed. Motion carries. So, any public comments? Any public comments? There are no public comments. Moving on to board reports. Um, district administrator update. Nothing really to to report other than um we are about to prepare for phase two of the referendum. Um we you will see that the spring break you'll see trees beginning to be removed in preparation
005for the uh uh updated um playground. Um other than that, we're working to get ready for a very busy summer around here. So um and then at this point we're there's no cost or charges because we're still waiting for the next phase. And then budget update. Just uh we finally got as close to a CPI update for the 26 27th school year. They're uh most districts are considering 3.22%. Just so the board knows. And then lastly, um this is the last board meeting for Mr. Brian Hopkins. So I would just like to acknowledge his service not only to the community, the staff, and most importantly to the kids. um bore, you know, serving your community, not only as a coach, but a teacher um and then also taking on this task as a I'm just
006going to say it, a younger uh community member is noble and courageous and we appreciate your service and leadership. >> Appreciate it. >> You're welcome. >> Thank you. >> Board celebrations. >> I have several. Uh on March 6th, we had the raffle rally spike event. I'd like to thank all the volunteers, the staff, um and the students and families that came out um plus the raffle contributors. It was a really cool event. I I enjoyed it. I like hoops and hot dogs, but I think this one was uh was good also. And then I'd also like to recognize the talented uh band students who participated in Bandfest on March 7th and also at the district solo ensemble on February 28th. Both events are well attended and um interesting to go to. If ever you have
007a chance to go to Bandfest, it's it's cool because you have all the feeder schools with all their band members plus all the high school students play. And so, um, some schools have fifth graders that start out, fourth graders that start out, and then they have each grade level, all the schools together, they play together, and then the high school joins in with them. It's it's really it's a really cool event. And I also would like to echo um Mr. Trader's thoughts about Brian Hopkins. I knew I was going to do this, but um Brian, I'd like to thank you for your service to um the community to ensure that every child has every educational opportunity. you um you're an inspiration to all people, all ages um and somebody your age to take on this
008task. It's inspiring. So, I'd like to thank you for that. >> I appreciate it. >> And then, um last, I'd like to thank Mr. Troder and whoever else is in the school for the school communication. It comes timely and it's effective. Plus, your what is it called? Mr. Trot News. >> Mr. Trat Talk. Yeah, I like that also. So, I just want to thank you for that because I think it's good to have the school uh community so informed. So, thank you for that. That's the end of my celebrations. >> So, I have I have two. Um I would like to and I guess they're going to be an echo of Vickiy's. Um I did really enjoy the uh raffle rally spike event. Um as someone who's been a part of hoops and hot dogs
009for a long time, it was cool to see the new event. Plus, I I liked that there was a lot of uh open space in the gym for the kids to run around. Um they weren't as contained as in the past because obviously you didn't have all the bleachers out. We only had one court set up. So, um was a really good event, well attended. Um and a lot of fun. So, uh thanks to all the volunteers and people who made it possible. Um and then as far as Mr. Hopkin goes, um you know, Brian obviously uh three years with you. Um you've done a heck of a job. You've been a heck of a leader. Um, and and I'd like to say thank you for everything you've done for the district and the community.
010So, you will be missed, sir. >> Appreciate it. >> I also want to throw my hat in that ring. Brian, you've been a strong hand on the tiller in some tumultuous times. Um, you you're the right man for the time and we thank you for your service. >> Excited to see what the next chapter for you. >> Yes. Appreciate it. >> On a fall suit with the glazing. >> Yeah. Super uncomfortable. Brian, honestly, been a pleasure serving with you the last few years. Appreciate all your contributions. I don't believe we'd be where we're at today without you. Uh the district owes you a debt of gratitude. The greater community owes you a debt of gr gratitude. You made a lot of sacrifices to continue in this role. >> Yeah, I appreciate it. >> Grateful for
011it and uh it's been an honor serving with you. And then additionally, I would like to just shout out the entire staff. The power outage was >> just I mean it was pitch black. I came to pick my kids up and then someone else's kids and it was uh it was bad and the staff did a phenomenal job. It was as organized as it could have been. Um so hats off to the entire staff for the for the power outage and how it's handled. >> Well, I also like to echo that uh to Mr. Troutier, Andrea, the office staff for um handling that. does really well and I thought you know there I heard good feedback like sometimes you hear you've heard in the past you know this wasn't communicated or that but even with
012phones down I think it was it sound like things are handling really well and >> well we don't have a backup generator >> that that that made uh when everything's connected to the internet that was a little difficult especially your phone so >> so as >> especially working in schools that doesn't happen often >> we're gonna talk about that yeah trust me it's on my list >> and then I do want to thank you know you you guys who have served with um the administrators who have been here Mrs. Taylor, Mrs. Zach, Mr. Troutier, um Kim and and Angie. Um I really enjoyed it. I appreciate the staff. Appreciate you know all the hard work that you guys have done to continue the excellence that this uh we have here at Riverview. And also, you
013know, it's not easy being on on a school board, especially when you live and work in the community so closely with people and parents and their kids. in my role. Um so just uh you know we I think we are in a phenomenal spot with Mr. Troutier at the helm what we're doing and some really strong board members on our board and I just you know we've worked really hard the last three years to follow policy and procedure and make sure that we as a board are staying in our lane and allowing our superintendents to work and allowing our teachers to teach. And um I just hope that our board continues to follow that suit and and does the job of the school board um and lets Chris do his job and uh everybody else
014do their jobs professionally. So appreciate you guys and um yeah, if you don't, I'm going to come to a public comment. So >> any new business or discussion? Uh the first would be the act 57 update. Yep. Traditionally, we run these through policy, but we thought based on our unfortunate recent district's history, um we thought we could bring this to the full board to make sure this gets reviewed and approved collectively. Um you're going to see a lot uh recent legislation around grooming and sexual misconduct by staff. Um so, we're going to go through uh three uh four three policies that have um options for the board. the rest. Uh, if you're familiar with Niola, who's our our company, they basically take legislation, case law, they have attorneys on staff, they have experienced re and
015who are also retired, uh, superintendent who analyze it and then they bring it and make it recommendations. So, um, this was brought to our recent attention. When you see when you see any, uh, pinkish, that means they're deleting that part of the policy. Uh, green's re recommended. So if we go to the first one uh which the board I shared on Friday 1213 um the green is what's being recommended um so I'll just go through this briefly um there are decisions at the end for the board that is optional language to add um and I'll share my recommendations with the board and you can go from there um but most of these again are just updates traditionally in policy we we follow suit with Niola and their recommendations for for policy updates, but they're always
016willing to give us freedom. So, as you go through this, um I will uh this one talks about student supervision and welfare to make sure that situations are are handled appropriately. Um staff personal liability and the the placing a precedent on the welfare of students. So, I won't go through all this language. I don't need to read it to you, but um I will go down here. This is additional language. Um you'll see this appear also in um policy uh 40 4213. It's the same language. Again, it's recommended and I'll just kind of go through it. It's about appropriate staff and student relationships. And I'll read through. The district is committed to maintaining safe professional development appropriate relationships between staff and students. All employees, volunteers, and adults working with students are expected to uphold clear
017and appropriate boundaries and report concerns to protect student welfare. So, this lists prohibited conduct. Okay? So, what I'm showing you here, when you see a box, that means this is optional. It's a drafting note. This is optional language. This is not included in the legislation. But they are saying boards if you feel like based on recent incidences or your community values preferences you can add this. So it addresses prohibitive conduct which talks about profession preferential treatment or favoritism um from staff to to students boundary invasions and you can see at the bottom any and I'll I'll start right here at the third paragraph to highlight it. Any behavior that last lacks a clear educational and medical justification or that serves the emotional and physical needs of the of the adults rather than the student is
018strictly prohibited. Such behaviors may be indicators of grooming and will be subject to immediate investigation, inappropriate boundaries. Invasions may include, but are not limited to the following, uh, hugging, kissing, physical contact with a student, sexual jokes, engaging in talk containing sexual innuendos, uh, talking about sexual topics, showing pornography to a student, uh, inappropriate comments about a student's body or appearance, taking an undue interest in a student, having a special friend or relationship, initiating extending contact with students, using email, text message, or websites to discuss personal topics, giving students rides and staff members personal vehicles or taking students in person outings without administrative approval. Invading a student's privacy. Uh going to the a student's home for non-educational purposes. Inviting students to a staff's home. Giving gifts or money to a student for no legitimate educational reason.
019Uh accepting gifts or money from a student. Being overly touchy with a student. FA favoring certain students by inviting them to come to the classroom at non-class times. Getting a student out of class to visit with a staff member providing advice or counseling regarding a personal problem related to sexual behavior, substance abuse, mental, physical health, family relationships unless properly licensed or authorized to do so. Being alone with the student behind closed doors without legitimate educational purpose, telling the student secrets and secrets of the students or similar activities or behaviors, inappropriate boundary invasions are prohibited. Must be so that that goes through basically that will again will reappear in the next one. I just wanted to go through that because that's ultimately the verbiage the board would have to agree to to advance this f this
020language as choice romantic or sexual conduct outside uh and then it goes into outside district staff parent relationships policy permits uh appropriate interactions from legitimate pre-existing non-dist relationships. Staff who are parents or of enrolled students must maintain professional conduct in all school related activities and communication avoiding favoritism, conflicts of interest. Whereas relationships compromise professional responsibilities and then it continues to go on to off-site school activities. Zooms must m staff must maintain professional boundaries during all school sponsored off-site activities such as field trips, competitions, travel overnight. Increased vigilance is required. Um, we would also take always take those necessary precautions. For example, if we had an overnight, we would make sure a male and female are there. That that's just traditional uh well, I should say that's what we would do. Um, student reporting process. So,
021this is where you get an option. Reporting of alleged allegations of inappropriate student and section and student staff and student relationships. Student reporting process. This is where you get a choice. Um, students who feel comfortable, I'm excuse me, uncomfortable or witness inappropriate behaviors are encouraged to report concerns to a trusted staff more or counselor. Um, I would recommend that we add via the and or I mean rephrase that to a trusted staff member, school counselor and or via the district's anom anonymous reporting tool. That would be um we use um uh >> speak up, speak out. That goes directly to staff. Um we also have on our on a student when they open up their Chromebook, we have a a a counselor recommend uh request too. So that's also u goes to it. So I
022would recommend that. Um all reports will be treated confidentially. And then you can see staff required staff required reporting of uh misconduct. Any concerns about inappropriate staff student uh conduct must report immediately to a supervisor, principal or the district's compliance officer. Anonymous reports will be investigated per district harassment polic procedures outlined in policy 5517. Mandated reporting that is state state boilerplate. Every year staff's trained and goes through an extensive DPI training. So that language is is pretty consistent. So what's in front of the board right now is to um not only ex we need a motion. We can we can adopt these Mr. Hopkins either as a group or individually, however you'd like. But we would want to comment individually on uh 2013, I'm sorry, um uh 1213 on do we want to add the
023language and it's going to be a discussion item with the board on the I'm sorry uh on the additional language of appropriate staff and student relationships. >> So I am in favor of adding that. However, the only thing reading this over the weekend that kind of raised my eyebrows was around staff who are parents of students um and said uh enrolled students must maintain professional conduct and all school related activities and communications avoiding favoritism or conflicts of interest. I just think that line as a teacher whose kids might go here could um that's very subjective, right? So, like if let's say I'm a teacher here and my kids and Luke's a parent, he's showing favoritism. Just cuz he says it, is it real? And I don't know where that relates to grooming when it's their
024own child. That to me seems more related to um a a staff member parent child relationship and not the roomy aspect. So, I just I don't Any else? >> I would disagree with that. I think uh as it's written, I think it's very effective and I think it's an effective tool to have in place. And um I'm just going to say just because it's a parent doesn't mean inappropriate things are not happening. And >> no, I'm talking about with their own kid where it says avoiding favoritism. >> I understand that. Brian, are you are you are you talking about the the potential that there could be perceived favoritism? >> Well, that's with anything, >> right? But we don't have a policy that says the word favoritism towards this staff member. Right now, >> there is
025a call out at the bottom, the outside district and staff parent relationships, uh, where it just says it permits appropriate interactions, um, as long as you know that you're trying to maintain professional conduct. So, I think that that kind of that would give a a staff member who had kids here, you know, room to argue and say, I'm I'm doing my best to maintain professional relationships, but if it veers outside of that, it also says the district can intervene. >> Also, you know, I would assume that with any allegation that would be made of that, there would be a pretty thorough investigation and to look into the veracity of those claims anyways. And so we would probably be able to sus out whether that was legitimate or not. Um I I understand what you're saying.
026I could see how it could be >> I didn't see where that fit there from a parent to their own child. But >> uh the the one question that I had and not to gloss over because I think there's some discussion there. But the one that I was wondering about is the actually number one the hugging, kissing or physical contact with a student. Obviously kissing is inappropriate. Um but with the younger grades and and and I can use my own kids as an example of this who are notorious huggers of teachers. I I mean, do we do we really want to is is there some other way that we can word that where it doesn't give the notion to all staff that they cannot allow a student to give them a hug? Because to me,
027it seems like for the emotional well-being of the student, we would want them comfortable to to hug their educators. Um, >> I I agree. I I just not not to go down a rabbit hole, but as a high school principal when I had a senior junior knucklehead who walked in, >> you know, >> big hug. >> Yeah, because they needed it, right? Because they needed it. >> So that >> I didn't I didn't hug Brian when he got kicked out of Mrs. Dum's class, but maybe I should have. >> But I think that paragraph right above it >> side note, I've heard that whole story. >> Yeah, I know. paragraph right above it explains it says that serves the emotional or physical needs of the adult rather than the student is strictly prohibited >> and
028it may I I >> you could put inappropriate inappropriate physical contact >> excessive hugging >> yeah I I I agree Vicki I think that that does kind of cover it I just don't know if it is >> clear enough that the educator >> I mean I think that's clear because a student initiated hug is far different Then >> agreed. >> Right. >> Agreed. >> I don't know because I also think there's times where a kid needs a hug and they don't need know they need a hug. So gives them one. >> That's a valid point too. Yeah. Yeah. There's and there's a lot of kids who won't seek it out who do need it. >> I like you just the kid. Yeah. >> You know over police it so to speak, right? Because the last
029thing we want is a teacher sitting there if a kid's coming to give him a hug feeling policy like what do I do here? Right. >> Yeah. I don't want to handcuff the staff to to emotionally support the students who need the emotional support. >> So, we could just say inappropriate physical conduct with a student >> that keeps it vague enough in policy. >> Yeah, that that that may suffice. >> Mhm. >> Just to remove the specificity of the hugging, right? >> Yeah. I think that that would be appropriate. Outside of that, I don't have anything else. Bri Brian does make a good point on his. I don't know if we want to have any further discussion about that or >> let's stay on this one for now because I I thank you for that.
030But I do I agree. I think it should say just physical contact with the student, but there might be a different place to include in an appropriate way hugging and kissing. >> That's what I was talking about language. >> I don't know that we have the expert expertise to sus that out right now. I think this could be something that Ryan could look at >> with you can >> and then you guys could bring it back another time. >> Would Ryan do this for us or could we have Niola consider that? I would I think personally Niola is a organization that works for us whereas Ryan will hear our Ryan Hen our attorney will hear what we want out of it >> and you can craft it that way towards more of a direction of
031the board. So because I do think there is a place where I think we should have some teeth in the area of hugging and kissing if it's inappropriate >> but it shouldn't just be vague in that sense. >> Right. Yeah, I agree. So you so the recommendation because this will be applicable in another policy too. Yeah. >> Is delay approval pending Ryan's review of the of boundary invasions subsection one around the hugging kissing and other >> we'd like to see the hug hugging language changed to something along the lines of appropriate. >> Yeah. >> Um >> and Chris let me ask this. Obviously this is optional thing. If we were to approve this without the optional language and wait for Ryan to reddraft it so we had something on the files, would that be right?
032I mean, can't we approve this minus that language? >> Yeah, we as long as it's still there. We're just >> we could bring it back to policy committee. We're looking to schedule that and then just review that at the next policy committee. This way we get the, you know, >> we're not delaying correct the the speed with which we need to get this policy in place, but then we have time to >> draft the language to make sure we as a board are comfortable that to Brian's point has the teeth, >> but it also allows some leeway because we certainly don't want to handcuff our staff who we know care about the students, right? >> Yeah. Mr. Hopkins, would you like us to revisit that? Um, >> and if you could revisit if you guys
033could revisit that part about staff members and students because I just, you know, >> is that let me just make sure I have the exact location >> district and staff parent. >> That's what I thought. Okay. Yep. Okay. >> I just don't, you know, I don't want someone with an axe to grind to >> I understand search for policy and think they find something because it's policy. >> Spoken like an educator. Well, if that's the case and we're good on discussion, I'd make a motion to approve the changes with the exception to uh section one and uh what is the other section? I don't know what the other section was >> outside student outside district and staff parent relationships. >> Yeah, there'll second. So there's a motion to approve this option um with subject to
034further review for item number one and outside district and staff current relationships. All those in favor >> I >> opposed. Motion carries. >> All right. 3213. >> Sorry. As soon as the internet works here. Maybe we're out of power. I don't know. Um um again as as you'll see here apologize let me scroll up you're going to see this similar recommendations from Niola um delete pink um approve green and then you come back to the same language that we just discussed in um 1213. This is the optional language. So you if your recommendation would be the same, >> stay consistent, >> but stay consistent. >> So you'll make the same motion, Joe. >> Yeah, you can make the same motion. Are they laid out in the exact same fashion? Yeah. Okay, >> they are. I
035went through them. >> I'll make the motion to uh approve the uh amended language with the exception to item one and the uh parent student boundaries outside of the school. >> I second. All those in favor? I I >> I opposed. Motion carries. >> And then 4213 is again same language recommendations for deletion in pink, approval in green, and then again the same language we just approved or we just are going to send to our personal attorney for review before approval. So the same motion to be carried as the previous two. You guys want to step up and make that one too? Okay. >> I will go ahead and make the motion to approve the change language with the exception to uh item one and the uh parent student outside of the district boundary. >>
036I second. All those in favor? >> I sorry. >> Opposed. Motion carries. >> And then um this does not include the language in question. There are no no um uh deletions only recommend recommendations around reporting and these are in green. There's no other options based on Niola. These are recommended from Niola. So I'd look for a motion to approve >> and we provide a training so that staff know this is here and how the tools they have to report. >> Make a motion to approve. Second >> motion by Hopkins and Hamilton. All those in favor >> I opposed. Motion carries. >> The next agenda item is the April school board training. Um I had talked to President Ryan about this. This is for our attorney Ryan Heiden to come in and do a board training
037similar to what we had um back in >> two years ago. >> Yeah. um with >> W was um again I think you know certainly you know I put an emphasis on how we need to do conduct as a board when I got on and I think we've done a really good job at it. I think it's really hard to kind of fall into um the trap sometimes of of not doing the role as a board member. And so I think you know this is a training everyone should go through each year. But um I certainly think this is something that uh having our legal representation come in and give our our board of training on our role Chris's role on the teachers roles so that we make sure we have policy and procedure and
038we let Chris run the day-to-day operations and we go from there. So, um, he would do this at your guys' April meeting after the board elections. >> It'd be good for a new board member coming on too to >> have that training >> and he'll discuss out obviously to like quorums and open records and all the things. So, >> I think it's a great idea and probably something we should, you know, to your point get in the habit of doing on an annual basis, right? Um, it's it's like you said, it's easy to fall into the pitfalls, right? Um, day-to-day stuff, right? But, you know, how are we managing the school coherent governance, right? Knowing our roles, knowing our responsibilities versus what the district administrator and the leadership team we have in place, right? Um,
039we shouldn't be bogged down in the day-to-day operational details of the school, right? That's that's why we pay Chris and the rest of the staff here and um following policy and procedure and, you know, making sure we're giving them the guardrails to do what they need to do. So, I think it's a good training for us to be reminded of. >> Agree. Any further discussion? Make a motion to approve the April school board training. I'll >> Second by Hurst. Motion by Hopkins. Second by Hurst. All those in favor? >> I opposed. Motion carries. And C. Set a date for the schoolboard budget workshop. >> Um this is this is a can be a discussion, but uh I was talking with Tim. I think um new board members coming on and I I found this to
040be beneficial in previous districts to hold a um separate meeting for a school budget workshop. Uh it just allows and it be open to the public. I I mentioned it in my interview actually um just to in give a history and greater context to school finance to the best of our ability. the history going back for us elder statesmen QEO language 1993 and up and talk of just about the history um decisions that have made in Madison how it impacts uh local school boards and communities and then give kind of a state of the district as we move forward. Um Tim is gone the week of the 28th. Um so we are looking at we would probably need um probably anywhere between an hour an hour and a half to go through it. Tim and
041I would lead it, create a presentation. Um, again, this would be my first one doing so, I'm still familiar myself with the with the our current budget, but at that point, we would like to do this prior to the 28th where you where the board could then review and possibly approve a tenative budget, which is normal practice, um, on the 28th. So, it'd be nice for you to see that, ask questions. Um, so just looking, you know, for a date the week of the 20th. Um, I know weekends are hard for all of us, but we could do it any time uh the week of the 20th. That would work. Um, if that's something the board would consider, if they want to if you do not want to consider it, that's okay, too. I just
042>> I think it's I think it's a great idea personally. Um, it would be very beneficial. Um, I know Tim has to travel. Does he have a day that's better for him? >> No, he he would be he would be okay. Um, he's he made it sound like the week of the 20th was open. >> Okay. And is there any dates in that that don't work for you? >> Wednesday, Thursday, Friday >> would be the best >> in the evening obviously. >> So is our board meeting the 21st or the 28th? >> 28th. Okay. >> And the 23rd is that Watsby event. >> So it would be the 22nd or the 24th. I can make myself available on the 22nd. Mhm. >> Yep. >> Do you want to do it at the same time? Six
043o'clock. You want to do it earlier? >> Six works for me on the >> 6 o'clock on the 22nd. >> Okay. >> 6 o'clock on the 22nd. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I'll make a motion that we uh set up a school board budget workshop on April 22nd at 6 PM uh with Tim and you and the board. >> I'll second. All those in favor? >> I I opposed. Motion carries. Next meeting will be April 22nd at 6 p.m. >> April 28th >> 28th. >> Nope. It'll be April 22nd. >> April 22nd will be our budget workshop meeting. >> Budget workshop meeting. >> Next regular meeting will be April 28th, 2026. >> Um I'm going to make a motion to adjourn to close session uh pursuant to Wisconsin State Statute 1985 and the following. >>
044Second that. >> Second by Gallich. All those in favor? >> I opposed. Motion carries. We will move into >> Thank you. >> We are. >> Yeah. We'll come back. >> Do we need Chromebooks? >> Uh, no. I just need your copies of your close session.