2025-3-11 Board of Education meeting

001we'll call the Board of Education meeting to order March 11th at 6: p.m. if you could please stand if you're able for join me the pledge of aliance Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all item 1A official meeting notification Dr Ro thank you public notice of all meetings has been given by communication from the superintendent's office to the public to those news media who have requested such notices the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Northwest now Express News and Westbend Daily News public notice has also been posted in schools throughout the district and on the gertown school district website thank you Mr Barney roll call eward here Brown here Barney is here here Lo here MedVet

002is absent excused poock here take B here thank you item two approval of agenda motion to approve the agenda second Mr Barney with the motion Mr poock with the second any discussion hearing none all in favor I any opposed hearing none that passes item three is reports a discussion uh regarding impact of Village Germantown development plans on the Germantown school district and propos School Board resolution addressing the issue that is myself uh I'm just going to use this report time to welcome everybody to this meeting and kind of discuss why we're here um first why we having a special meeting I've seen some um comments in in social media and in the public um due to time frames and and uh of of board actions in regards to our our district and the village board

003we felt it was necessary um considering both boards convenient at the same date and time um next week uh it was appropriate to have this discussion now so we could make sure we were heard on the on the topic um so moving forward with that I'll kind of go into some more details um of what kind of brought us to this point so as a board president for the last year have focused on strategic planning for the future of the district we have partnered with the village to better understand the development that affects the school district's long-term planning we have cross shared board members to ensure more consistent Avenues of communication and to inform sharing between the two boards so just to kind of review that I don't know if everyone in the public fully

004understands the commitments that were made for that um on both ends and I appreciate Dean and his board's commitment as well on that I'll kind of go over some of some of the U sitting positions so we have director Kim higan bam who sits on the economic um development commission for the village I'd like to thank trusty Piper for her initiative in appointing her as a commissioner and as the commissioner chair of that commission um director Pollock served on Park the re commission that that connection has existed for a long time I previously occupied it before coming president of this board um and currently I'm sitting on the Planning Commission we do have truste cuts from the village uh who serves on our buildings and grounds as a public member uh we felt this was

005the best um spot for her to facilitate more discussion around our upcoming facilties youth studies which um director poock is uh running through that committee so continue on with a few more um pieces of information Beyond those uh beyond our school board's participation at those meetings they are expected to provide reports um to our full board meeting monthly um just as as to update the rest of the board as to what's happening and occurring in those it's my belief this partnership uh ensures a monthly and public facing line of communication between both boards I view these efforts as an incredibly strong step in the right direction and why do I say that um it's it's it's no um it's no myth that the two boards have had issues in the past and and we may

006have disagreements in the future and in continuing but the goal is to get us to work together and to um continue to build a strong vibrant German Town to attract citizens to this community and I believe as a school district we are a large attraction for that um and we we would just like to continue that that partnership so we'll continue to gr uh grow in that relationship um as we move forward so with that many potential res residential based projects have been are on the horizon for the village some initiated by The Village some others proposed outside the develop out with outside developers it's the school I believe it's the school district's responsibility to not only plan for their impacts on the school operations but also to make the village and Community aware of

007those impacts um so with that I've invited Dean and Steve to this meeting tonight to participate in this conversation um help us understand more about what's going on in the village we hopefully it help you guys understand more of how that impacts the district and what we might have to um consider as we move forward so uh following our normal um agenda we're going to move into citizen comments I ask that anyone that's making a citiz and comment please keep it to the agenda for this evening I know so a lot of things going on in the school district some may want to comment on but I ask that it's specific to help further this discussion um I'll read the uh citizen comment notification community members and residents of the gertown school district are invited

008to share their questions comments or concerns with the school board regarding item three of the agenda when speaking citizens should State their name and address for the record the presentation time frame shall be determined by the board president once an indicated number of the people wishing to speak is made speakers should keep comments to three minutes or less to allow for other speakers Wisconsin law authorizes School Board to receive information from members of the public where possible the board May answer factual factual questions immediately or may provide a written response if information is not available if the response would not would involve discussion of board policy or decisions which might be of interest to Citizens not present at the meeting the board May place the item on a future meeting agenda comments that may be

009injurious to the school district personnel and I'll extend that to Village personnel and board members um or other individuals present are not allowed so with that it looks like I have five um members uh signed to speak I believe we can get to all of you we ask that you stick to that 3 minutes Dr reer will um let you know with that time so starting out we have Melanie SMI if you would like to come up to the seat where the puck mic is uh you don't have to press anything you can just speak and it'll it'll pick you up speak in your recess voice and just let it go recess voice out at recess um before I have my three minutes would you mind summarizing what this resolution is just that you're planning

010on voting on for next is there any summary that uh you could give the item is for discussion and possible action yeah um it will depend on the direction of the discussion of and it's to do with buildings and um a possible referendum is that what I understand no no we can't jump to Future business okay sorry we'll get there um okay help us help us form this discussion with your yeah okay let me just change my glasses so I can see what I said um okay well I I really appreciate the fact that the school district is doing strategic planning it's something that I have been asking for for years now for the village to finish its 2050 comprehensive planning which got stopped um at some point uh when um I think it was

01122 September of 22 um they just decided they'd had enough of doing it um a number of things a number of um neighborhood meetings that should have had uh neighborhood plans developed around them were not completed so I think it's going to make it rather difficult for uh certain types of strategic planning to be done in terms of quantifying numbers of properties um and potential additional people who come to our village um that's one of the things that I've been pushing for in the current uh Village Center I believe that the master planning has only been taken about us to about a third of where it should be we don't have a true Count that we keep hearing that oh we'll leave it up to the developers but if we leave it up to the

012developers we won't get what we want and uh I think a number of assumptions were made we heard that last night um it seems that not all of the residents comments were included in um the presentations to date um and the the evidence that I have of that is things have just not changed at all in the normal workshop and and planning process every dra time you get a set of drawings it changes and you see the iterations and the the changes because of comments that are made so I think this is going to make it more difficult for you to plan um the other thing is that because there is a lack of strategic plan and in my opinion um The Village planning is reactive to developers um they've put themselves in that position

013because they just wait and see what who comes rather than having something more clear which is why you want to determine what it is that you want rather than just say oh it's open do what you want with it um so I applaud you um I would hope that we would be able to at within the vill part of the planning get to a more determined number of of locations and really try and do a better job of the master planning of those neighborhoods uh the last thing I'll make a comment about is that I think that the president of the Germantown School District um position on the Planning Commission should be a voting position um as I understand it the position um that trustee cuts has is a voting position I see no reason

014why you as a resident of this Village and as a commissioner um should not have that also those are my comments nice job thank you next up is Jan Miller so do use your outside voice Jan because otherwise people back there can't hear there's like the air sound that should be on can you hear that okay it's good okay uh good evening everyone my name is Jan Miller w151 and 10297 wind song Circle West I merely signed up because I thought that was the protocol um and I would um I'm so glad you're having this meeting I will just say this quickly and I think that uh we all need to take a pause and hear what um the school district has to say about what the impact of extra students will do uh to

015the school district and having to add on build more you know uh school school rooms um and I I I think it's really important um not having enough uh space for our children and growing and learning is is a problem I think it's a big problem so I I applaud you for having this meeting and I hope it goes real well I'll yield my extra minute to uh the next person thank you thank you next up is Scott He right this is going to work can we do it's like old no get trade minutes uh scottley w59 and 10514 old parm Road Germantown um just a couple points maybe a little different than the other speakers were saying first of all uh we have headwinds going on where people think we're headed for a recession

016maybe are maybe we are maybe we aren't these projects these big projects that are going in there their cost of Bing is through the roof which means they got to make money quick that's probably why one of the reasons that we're advancing this so quickly is the developers need to make money or they can't give the other things that they're prom prising that's why they're pushing for the high density uh you know rentals or whatever they are going forward with that um the I was thinking about this and talking this with another Community member earlier you know like my house is built in 1988 it's it's an Old Farm you know that's a very popular subdivision when one goes up that house is Tom you live in Old Farm they they're sold in three days

017there's 15 offers people want to get in the district okay so that tells you that it's popular now if we throw all this new stock out there we hope it works out we hope does we're told we're told that we have uh a th people or a th000 apartments that we need to fill because we got to get these people in here okay that would overwhelm the schools just with the hom path uh project C Atlanta and County Line 283 units Village Center 416 to 442 and Main Street 425 is I come up with 1100 between 1100 and 1200 units now I heard Home Pass say we think it's only going to put 15 kids in your schools okay that's BS guys come on 283 units you got to put 15 kids in the schools

018no and why do I say that because last year this famous Tracy cross report that came out that everyone's like hanging their hat on I sat there I'm on the economic development commission we had joint meetings with the plan commission two joint meetings and the guys from Tracy cross said the nor the the average is about7 7 for every unit now even if it's 0.5 you put 1,200 units you guys can do the math okay 500 students 600 students 400 students Your Capacity is not there with the schools to my understanding so I think that's that's a big issue you know what is the true number of what it would what what this amount of development would put in your schools even if you did one of those that's 400 some even if it's 0.5

019that's 200 kids that this Village is dropping in your schools do you have room for 200 kids I don't know I know you have you know and it was really shocking last night when our community development director said oh well I never saw a study or I never saw anything that tells you that the school was never approached about hey guys what's happening this will affect your schools before we charged ahead and started buying properties and inviting developers in that that conversation should have been first before any of this other thing happened no matter what it did that's my comments thank you Sarah LaRon hello former colleagues Sarah Larson U Butternut Road in Germantown thanks so much for holding this meeting tonight and getting the conversation going I know there's always a lot of back

020and forth about grief between the school board and the village board um this was a great way to as they say reach across the aisle and have a conversation instead of just throwing the stones so kudos for that and hopefully this is going to give the village board maybe a little bit of an educational insight as to what some of the considerations are that the school district goes through I think the conversation last night was very instructive in uh how the information was received that Russ was sharing about the fluctuations in Staffing in August based on the leases uh expiring and students entering and leaving after after our staffing has already been determined or at least predetermined for the year um having been on the board for nine years I'm keenly aware of the fine

021balance that you go through and the high sensitivity points to the community as well as to your staff including available space classroom sizes in terms of number of students per class the bus routes attendance districts and redoing those boundaries and the staff on un certainty that comes along with all of that so I certainly am looking forward to what this discussion tonight brings and uh hopefully um knowing that you aren't going to have firm numbers yet for a bit that the village puts a pause on moving forward with any further actions about zoning or whatnot uh or even advancing the tid until we firmly know where we stand on um what this impacts the the entire Community thanks thank you next up uh Dominique de that's me Dominic Deo West 165 North 10603 Wagon Trail

022uh my reasons for being here are totally selfish um one thing I would like the board to think about is I have a granddaughter with special needs not in this District but she's out in Walkershaw and my son and daughter-in-law for several years um suffered with the inability to get my granddaughter the help and the and the attention that she needed and with a project such as this um even with the total of 400 apartments even if it's only 1% okay is the school district going to have the AIDS and the staff and the ability to have the correct staff to make sure that children whatever their needs are are taken care of so that they can be as successful as possible that is the questions you know that's part of what I mentioned yesterday

023asking the right questions asking all the questions and getting as much information as you can before any decisions are made and I don't know that everybody has all the information we don't know what the percentage of lowi income or subsidized to non-subsidized in this in this project projects going to be are there going to be um senior housing facilities involved in this at all we don't know any of that which is something that was not presented yesterday or last night it was strictly here's the pretty drawings here's the people with the Christmas tree in the middle it was all nice and and and and pretty but we all know in the end that's not really how it's going to look okay and my my purpose is to make sure that those kids get the best

024possible care and the best possible education in this District that I've been paying taxes for for 38 years I do have two CH two grandchildren in the district and I concerned about how it can affect them right they're in grade school you know they're going to be in this district for a while and I don't want them to have to be a situation where maybe my son has to move to a different District because they're here because it's German Town it's a good district and we want to make sure that everybody is taken care of and all these things have to be taken into consideration by the board and by the community in large to make sure that that is happen and it happens in the right way thank you thank you um I believe

025we have one more Dan Cano are you thank you Dan canle Ridgefield Court and germant toown and for full disclosure State uh representative for uh germant toown and uh thank you for getting me the information about the meeting uh I'm glad to see President Walter here uh for sure i' uh I come from a the angle that I'd like to uh show my concerns about is finan strictly financial and in this on the state level funding of our our K12 systems is virtually a third of our state our state budget so I come here to uh express my concerns that the village is talking to the school district and so that the right numbers can be can be developed and we just heard with uh as far as uh I'm not necessarily against the the

026vision of the projects that the village is looking at but we've got to get real numbers on what that uh the numbers of students that that could lead to for the school district uh and then the property tax dollars if there's property tax uh properties that are coming off the tax rules has has a direct effect uh on the school School District uh and then a further development if it would be in a tid or Tiff type uh financing District those are dollars that aren't realized by the school district for for many many years so for the school district to do proper planning and I appreciate you being proactive in in this area uh that uh We've really got to have a wide open communication here and the school district can then make a a

027a decision on how to weigh in and provide the The Village with h adequate numbers so that would be my my concern I don't know if there's an app for that to uh determine if it's senior housing versus other housing Etc uh that that leads to the numbers I've heard a formula that I find a little suspect so far uh I've been concerned on the U Village level which I've share with President Walter uh on the property evaluation that's been going on from uh from whatever consultant or or individual that it's coming from it it's it's it's not good uh and I don't think it's correct but uh here we are as far as the uh the school board goes I want the that the school board will have accurate numbers that you can uh

028come forward with to see what the effect will be if if schools are going to have to be built uh in the future that's significant that's we're going to a to a referendum to build schools like likely an operational referendum uh as well uh so significant significant impacts on the village residents uh which would be much up front of when those property tax dollar flow would start uh much later in a in a tiff situation thank you uh that's all I have signed up I would just ask if anybody else wish to speak uh come forward and we can get your name placed on the list if not we can move on see it n we can head on to item number five new business a discussion of proposed board resolution addressing the impact of

029the village German toown development plans on the gertown school district and Community perspective regarding the issue um with that uh we have steveen Dean from the village they've submitted a presentation I believe Chris roer has if you guys want to provide with some more information sure around this to help the discussion okay all right thank you and uh I'll walk through the presentation and Dean feel free to jump in whenever you'd like um and if it's okay with president eward if you have questions you know as we go along please jump in and and ask those questions absolutely um so just a uh quick overview um four areas that um I was going to cover here this evening uh one is just to kind of touch base on tax increment districts and how they work

030um uh how they impact uh uh property tax bills how they impact the other taxing jurisdictions and try to um address some of those issues um also touch base regarding uh Village debt levels I know that uh in comments there weren't any addressing that tonight but there have been some questions and things that have come up related to to Village debt levels um then um uh uh I'll also talk about some of the uh uh potential housing developments I'll talk a little bit about the housing market in in Germantown and then some of the developments that are um under consideration at this point or may come forward um and then finally um I'll you know touch base and U provide some comments on the way the village has has been looking at at the impact

031on the schools and the information that we we do have available and also at that point I think it's a good opportunity for to listen to what the school board has to say um and information that you might have so first of all uh tax incr districts um just some of the terms and sometimes some people call it tiffs some people call it tid to me that's kind of a tomato tomato uh type of thing but uh it's tax increment financing um and then the tax increment district is is basically the refers to the area that um uh is is being used for financing um it is a a powerful Economic Development tool it is also one of the only Economic Development tools that the state um authorizes uh Municipal governments to use um and

032basically what it does is provides the opportunity to capture incremental property ta tax revenue from tax-based growth in a defined area and then use it to benefit that area um it does not affect the tax the underlying um uh tax base um and the original amount of revenues so maybe this next uh slide kind of illustrates that so if you look on the bottom and and let's take for an example uh the proposed tax tax district 10 tax increment district 10 um so right now the properties that are within that proposed tax increment District all pay property taxes um and that would be included in the Baseline property value if the tax increment district is formed um the taxing jurisdictions continue to receive the um continue to receive the same amount in property taxes from

033those Parcels that as you currently do there's no reduction in what you receive from uh uh in property tax payments from those uh those Parcels um however there would be an investment uh funded by the tax increment district and and infrastructure um things like uh new streets uh new sewer and water lines um storm water facilities um there may be some uh uh Revenue sharing with it with uh developers uh from the the tax increment District that's to be determined um but those types of investments from the tax increment District create growth and increases in the property value within that district and that increased value generates Ates additional property taxes um those property taxes above and beyond the Baseline then go to the tax increment District to uh to pay for the expenses related to

034the uh um related to those Investments um and until eventually um that debt those obligations are paid for the tax increment district is closed and then that value goes into the general tax base and all taxing jurisdictions and and generally the tax pay ERS benefit from it at that time so one of the other key things moving on to the next slide is the I'm sorry Steve just a question I reached out to you on behalf of the board so just to put it in simple terms if a a property is taxed at $1,000 during the life of the tid we continue to that us as a local tax entity we continue to receive that, over the course of that time 20 years 30 years whatever the ti lifespan is and then at the conclusion

035of that we receive the revenue back that we lost over as taxes most likely increased over correct correct or or if I understand School financing correctly since your revenues are capped on a per student basis you won't get any more money but your property tax rate will go down sure and and really so as more kids come in we're still operating at the level of cost or at the level of Revenue that correct we are set at for that correct time frame okay so the but test and one of the the uh regulations one of the laws related to uh the creation of tax increment districts is that um they have to pass What's called the but four test and basically that's asking the question would the development would the proposed development occur but four

036the tax increment District so um in other words if somebody is planning or has underway um an expansion project or the construction of a new facility um we can't go in and say hey we'll we'll we'll create a tax increment District so that we can you know use those the proceeds to fund infrastructure projects um that would fail about four test so each one each time we go through the thech the creation of a tax increment District we have to have U The Village attorney um and us in consultation which our with our financial advisers go through the the question of answering does it pass to the book four test now on the next slide sometimes there's confusion about what that before test means and and the myth is that the but four test requires

037the municipalities to prove that nothing would ever develop there um without the the tax increment financing um and that's that's that's actually incorrect um what the statute says in the next next slide is is the question is really whether the development expected in the tax increment District would occur without the use of tax incremental financing so can I stop you there for one second so if your development proposal was to build the tajma hall obviously we could say that's not going to get built without the tid so you're just saying hey if we make these outlandish development projects then we automatically pass the but four test well to to maybe use a little bit more of a concrete example I'll go back to T tid 10 the one that's that's under consideration at this point

038um there would be development on that site whether there's a tax increment District created or not um the the type of development that likely would occur um on that location without a tax increment District we've received uh proposals for storage facilities um an oil chain shop um you know a drive-thru coffee shop um potentially even some of the apartment units that are are similar to what's in the area now the two-story um you know kind of uh you know mid to lower end uh apartment type uh buildings that would probably develop there without a tax increment District but without the tax increment District the type of development that that is being proposed would would not be able to occur um where you're talking about higher end more expensive housing with of you know higher quality

039materials more amenities both private and public amenities um so that's a differentiation it would you know there would be some sort of development there but the but for the tax increment District the type of development that's being proposed would would likely not occur thank you for that clarification sure um then moving on the the next myth is that you know tax incr financing increases property taxes um and the reality in the next slide is that um tax increment financing does not impact uh individual property tax bills um you know the municipality and all other taxing jurisdictions Levy the applicable property taxes the total Levy amount is divided by the total tid out assessed valuation um at a real proper at our mill rate we usually Express that at as a rate per thousand of of

040of assessed value um this year in Germantown the combined rate is you know roughly $13 per thousand of assessed value um and that tax rate is applied to Value captured in the tids um and that total amount is collected by the municipality now as I mentioned before the uh uh the portion that that you would have collected if the tid had not been formed and we were at the Baseline still goes to the school district that amount still goes to the county and to MATC um uh but the REM but the the increment above and beyond that Baseline does go to the tax increment District um so moving on to the next slide um so all the taxpayers are paying the same rate um it's one of the things I hear in public comments frequently

041is you know we're giving a tax break to these companies municipalities cannot um and do not uh give tax breaks to developers or businesses that come in um uh they pay the same property tax rate as everybody else pays uh but if they're part of that increment then the amount that they pay goes towards paying those expenses um so you can look at it as going into two different buckets if you're outside of the tax increment District what you what you pay for goes to the Village general fund um if you're inside the tax increment District um it would go to to pay for some of those tid eligible expend expenses I also wanted to touch base on some of the 2025 legislative changes and representative canot here I think he was uh one of

042the one of the uh Representatives who um supported some of the changes that were put in place to close what some people have referred to as a tid loophole um related to net new construction um in the past municip municipalities were allowed to include um new construction that takes place in tax increment districts as part of the net new construction calculation that we use to figure out what our Levy limits are um and maybe just backing up I probably should put should have put a slide in related to this but for a school district your revenue is Capp by the number of students so that's the key thing the state gives you um a a dollar amount per student that you can spend and some of that comes from State AIDS some of that comes

043from property taxes for municipalities what our revenue is is controlled by net new construction the state has set a law that said you know we don't we're not allowed to increase our budget or to increase uh uh property taxes uh based on CPI or based on what our contract settlements are for police and fire um the only increase that we're allowed in our property tax levy is based on new buildings going up minus old buildings getting torn down um so if there's no new buildings going up our our Levy is flat from one year to the next um and obviously as you all work on budgets you can understand if your revenue is flat from one year to the next your expenses go up every year so that creates a budget Gap that that over

044time can become can become challenging so previous state law allowed municipalities to count Construction within a tax increment District um uh towards their net new construction and eventually when the tax Inc when the tax increment District was closed we could include 50% of the value that was in the the the tax increment District when it was closed in our net new construction number so there in essence there was double dipping um that was allowed now I'll also point out the village board um with one or two exceptions in the past seven years has kept the levy increase to net new construction in the village of Germantown without tax increment districts they've not um includ they've not increased the levy as much as they could have in in most years um so the new state law

045closed that loophole and it says that 90% of tid construction can be included in net new construction and when the tid is closed the Remain the the municipality can get credit for the remaining 10 % at that time they did provide an exception and I'm kind of taking this as an incentive for closing tids early that if it if the tid closes before 75% of the legal term that um uh we can get 25% of that value in included in our our net new construction so the those are all reasons and and I know there's a lot of a lot of nuances there and a lot of complexities but to summarize the the state law is written very carefully so that um uh it's very difficult for municipalities to increase uh property taxes um for

046uh uh for operating purposes and and the tid the tids do not generally allow us to do much beyond what we would have been able to do anyways so and I just kind of want to go back to the last time you were here presenting on T and I presented some information I think the new changes kind of solve some of the issu of formula that I present and I AP I can't share it from here that wasn't necess the plan bringing up but I think what you pointed out is important that formula comes up with an appointed Levy uh the equalization value and the mill rate and it works that back down into um you to plug in a home value in this SC I plugged in a $425,000 home value tax bill provided

047for that at $634 and we we talked about this last and the end of that formula puts out what that Resident is being um taxed or charged based off of the net new construction um scenario and you mentioned that the village has a couple of times taken advantage that and most of the time doesn't um so in that scenario given the numbers that were presented for that year it was $397 67 at a tax bill was um um that was based off an article that I read and we've talked about it since and I think some of this legislation actually changed that scenario to not occur is that is that a correct I guess understanding on my end yes yes um there were and without getting too far down a rabbit hole on that there

048were it was it was an article by The mver Institute and and The mver Institute started out um with a discussion on a report from the legislative Council that provides um you know policy analysis to the state legislature and they pointed out that loophole that I was talking about and I think that fed into the legislator's act legislator's action to close that loophole um I in in my opinion mver Institute did a little bit of a bait and switch with the formula the the way that they presented the formula was was different than what was described by the Legislative Council but but um and again happy if any you want to stick around after the the meeting to uh go through all of that again but um uh but yes you're absolutely correct it addressed

049what what the legislative Council brought up as a loophole thank you I just have a quick comment um so obviously your job tonight is kind of to make it look like tids are really good things for the community my question would be on the the possibility of the a tid failing and the impact of that to a community because putting in high density housing it's going up obviously all over the place but a lot of those aren't full so you know just because you build it it's not like the Field of Dreams it doesn't mean they're going to come so unfortunately now if you have all these high density housing and you want like you know older retired wealthy this you know whatever you're trying to um Market to if that doesn't come then what

050then the impact to the school district District to the community and everything else what is that an an ailed tid well um first of all uh and I'll talk a little bit later on about the housing market and and some of that information um but in the case of a tid failure and there germant toown has never had a a distress tid um or or an issue with that uh but other communities have there there have been other communities when when there is debt that's issue there's obligations that are taken on related to a tax increment District that's Village General obligation debt it's a village obligation um if the if the T if let's say again hypothetically dealing with tid 10 here if tid 10 did fail um then there would be a few options

051a village would have available for it one is in the case of a distressed tid um there are you do have the ability then to move funds from tids other tids that are not distressed into that tid and in the case of germant toown we do have um four other active tids which are all scheduled to close well ahead of of their their necessary timetable so that would be kind of the the suspenders to the belts that you would that we normally build in to um mitigating the risk of a tid um but if everything failed um it would be a village responsibility it would not affect the other taxing jurisdiction and I guess how many of our tids are based on housing versus um corporations and businesses that have come in which are bringing

052jobs and everything else to the community versus the risk of just housing that you may or may not be able to fill if this tid is approved this would be the first and only residential tid that the village has and I guess that's your risk you don't know it's not strictly residential though it's it's multi it's mixed use and also it's Redevelopment of that area because there are some concerns with contamination and Brownfield possibilities with the gas station so you can go and uh look at those types of Grants and those types of tiffs that uh would would uh repurpose that much like Whit Stone station did for monomon Falls the businesses coming in are going to be dependent on also the you know residents moving to this District because that's a risk for them

053also to come and and build a business here right yeah there you know uh there no question there is risk with with tax increment districts and with with any sort of of investment or or development project there is there is risk involved and I wouldn't pretend that there's that there's not I do think that you know both in terms of the approach that the village has taken in past tax increment districts and development agreements to mitigate that risk um that we would likely do for this future one um would help to to reduce that as an example um in in tids I I was not here when tid six was formed I was here for tids uh 7 eight and n and in each one of those tax increment districts before money was spent um

054and obligations were taken on we had signed development agreements from uh businesses and developers that that guaranteed increment so that we would we were guaranteed as part of those development agreements enough increment to cover the uh obligations that we had and I I we haven't you know gotten to the point of of issuing an RFP for a developer starting negotiations they haven't talked to the village board about it but I would think that would be something we would do in this case as well so that always done in the past yeah I think the German Town's always taken that approach and always look look to um uh to the developer to take that risk so that it's not on the taxpayers so if if they don't bring their increment where they don't build it out

055to what has been proposed as part of the developers agreement then they pay the difference of what they're lacking or what it's not covering and do we already have businesses that have made a commitment to move here whether it's it's too it's too early um just to go back to the the failing TI how would we tell or what are some signs a tid failing or what does that mean that a tid's failing and have we ever had that in the past and we ever used those suspenders to to pull a potential failing tid up in in the you know um and I can't again I can't speak going back uh too far Dean could probably talk about uh some of the challenges with tid 4 um that the village uh adjusted to um I'll

056let you address that the only thing that's come close to a a failing Tiff was Tiff four back in like 2006 2007 and two and Tiff four was built um a little bit different under a different premise um the way they built Tiff 4 was they put everything in it and it was a build in they will come scenario we'll put all the infrastructure in we'll put all the roads in we'll put all the sewer and water in and all these Office Buildings are going to come here because this land's here waiting for them well uh the back half filled nicely um and at that time it was Smith and nephew and there were a couple other um developments that happened uh back there but the front half always struggled because it had a different

057zoning of office space office space does really well um around freeways off on if you look out in Brookfield there's a lot of office space on a lot of those interchanges on off on this particular Tiff was too far away from a freeway Interchange to have that support so it struggled um and it wasn't covering its Tiff another problem with that Tiff is they tied it to one developer only that developer was the land agent and the developer so anybody that wanted to build in that Tiff had to go through that person only um and at that time and and not to begrudge him because that was the deal they made it was Skyline development and they're they're a good developer they're a good Builder they're they're around today U but it it was something

058that held them back uh so what was happening because they weren't covering their increment and they didn't have developers agreements with those that were building in there already they were able to borrow um monies from Tiff 3 because Tiff 3 was covering its bills and then some so the Tiff 3's uh increment was building a surplus and they were taking a percentage of that Surplus to cover what was missing in Tiff four and at that time that was allowable through state law you could do that uh and I think they did it uh three times um uh to help uh support and keep Tiff 4 out of the red in 2007 um um there was some changes in 2008 at the time of the housing bubble there were some changes made to the um zoning

059to the front where it was an office space only it allowed light industrial and warehousing and there was also uh with the help of the economic development of Washington County um a program put in that if anybody built to the front uh there was the possibility of of increment return a certain percentage that could be part of that developers agreement um that initiated the catalyst for a Bradley wash Fountain to put in their building they had owned land in the front of that forever but they never initiated it nor did they have a time frame on it because their agreement allowed them to sit on it for as long as they wanted to uh we were able to uh put a deal together where they received a p a portion of their increment back to

060them uh that allowed them some moving and uh additional funding for what they needed up front for new equipment that they wanted uh at that time and then they built their uh facility to the front of the park that you could see it visibly from mecan road so that was the difference between the front and the back the back was more visible from danas the front was more visible from from uh mecan road so when that started it was really kind of the Catalyst that started the success on that park to where within four years four to five years that Park was then filled and then sustaining itself so it went from red to the black and when it closed I think two years early it had about a million and half in Surplus some

061of that was used to pay back Tiff three and what it owed not completely but some um and then the rest was dispersed to the taxing districts at that time when it closed so that was the only time that Germantown had a a tiff that was struggling but it had the support of Tiff 3 to keep it afloat and then through some changes made to the zoning to the front part of that Park uh we were able to um recruit and bring additional business in that you see today which was Wisconsin stampings wi bearing um you've got uh air gas there and then there was a lot that was kind of down along the backside that built as well and then expansions happened after that with uh with uh um the uh the chemical uh

062facility and so on so two things I kind of take from that and I quite follow question I'll go with that first did that then extend the life of tid 3 to support tid 4 it uh it didn't go beyond its its regular amount of closing so it didn't go beyond the 27 years that it was allowed if and I don't know the details of this but if tid 3 if it was 27 years but it was scheduled to close in 23 years but then enacting the help to help tid four did it push it past that call it the no it was always scheduled to close within 27 years what it probably prevented it from doing because tip three was uh was very you know successful and there was always somebody building in there

063it probably kept it from closing earlier but yeah not Beyond its but not Beyond its its range of what it was always projected to be um and then from your just kind of what you were just telling us it sounds like your approach to tid in agreements with developers is drastically different than than what was with four probably with Lessons Learned in that scenario or correct it's now a pay as you go more scenario of of covering those costs and whatever those expenditures are with the developers agreement it's not put all the infrastructure in and then cover it with what comes to to replace that and and that's not unseen in in a lot of other communities that are are using uh Tiff the the put everything into it up front uh is really kind

064of an old model and I don't see used as much anymore more breast practice now as that sh okay I'm sorry I I just had those I didn't mean to cut oh that's fine and I I guess my last question trying to figure out how to phrase it but so obviously the village potentially would um benefit at some point from the added revenue of um of businesses and stuff coming in here however the school district in and of itself does not receive any more funds than what we already have so the issue with that is now all right now we have to find room for these kids we have to remodel classes we have to do all these other things what it would be the commitment from the Village to the school district to say

065you know what are we going to do to to be able to support these kids and not have to go to referendum in order to and I I I would share I know St your next slide outlined some fundamental change to communities and with the exception of elbrook who has the highest revenue limit in the state and Cedarbrook who has a deficit in their budget and is pretty fiscally conservative all of those oh and it just went away all of those other districts have either gone to and or operational and capital referendum in The Last 5 Years so though there's not a tax impact on community given there's a tiff for these fundamental changes in community those districts you look at the mecan story the last three years I mean that's it's a major tax

066impact now that the school has to bury the burden because there's been a shift and change peak's had multiple Capital operational Hamilton's passed an operational referendum that never expires um so that that would to Kim's question that's my concern we can fundamentally change through a tiff the community but now us as a local agency taxation have to say now we have to increase we have to go to you and say we need to either operationalize our Revenue source which I'll show early later tonight that this is what we get and our tax base from our local community is our majority so we're going to ask you for for more or we need Capital long-term debt that we're trying to pay off right now to expand in areas that I'll show data that we're already close

067or exceeding capacity you know and I think there's there's some more at the at the tail end of Mind presentation I think you sounds like you have some as well I think the the key thing and it really comes down to the the results of the roer study is is what does enrollment look like because your your revenue is driven by the number of students so um and I I don't know you know I I don't know anything about your enrollment numbers or what those projections look like um but I I do know that in general birth rates are lower than than what they have been I know that there are also school districts in the area that have gone to operating referendum because of declining enrollments and they're seeing that without new development they're

068seeing the number of students they have going down so they've been forced to go to an operating referendum um so it's I think there's risk either way there's there's risk with additional housing and there's there's risk without additional housing from from your financial perspective but the per student cost or you know the money we get per student is for per student it doesn't um create a surplus so we can get more students in but that doesn't necessarily mean that gives us a surplus to to build build or change or add on I think I think we'll we'll get to that portion of that in a in a minute um just to keep I think you have more of your and and I'm not we're gonna get to can I ask one more financing question before

069we move on yeah just if we can keep it to the the tid discussion but yeah oh yeah yeah so as you hear the big variable is is there going to be an impact in schools or not we don't know my question is has the village worked with the developer to that risk IE taking a look at impact fees School mitigation fees or School participation benefits from the Tiff have you have you talk to developer about negotiated developer contributions and them putting something on the line saying if there is an impact to a school district here's how we'll cover it we have well first of all we've not started talking to developers yet um and just to kind of explain the the the The Village's approach to this particular development is this location was identified

070in the 2050 plan as being kind of a key area and as all of you know that is a one of the one of the most important Corners um in uh in the village of Germantown and the the village board in particular felt it was important that um that there there be more control over what develops there so that's why they proceeded with the acquisition of the property because that is the best way for the village to control what goes there there the next step is going to be issuing rfps to developers and I think that is the kind of thing we can have a conversation about is is you know including in that in that request for proposal some some questions some thoughts about you know what what do you see as a developer

071for your proposed development as being the impact on the school and what are your what is your proposal to try to mitigate that that's a that's a a very fair question I can and that's why I wanted to bring it up now so there's there's togetherness um when we get to that point to make sure we don't overlook and go we should have asked for this or that so I hope when you get to that point and you start talking to developers you reach back out to the school board and say what would you like to see as a negotiated item on this absolutely absolutely and some of that visibility is seen also with uh the representation on the plan commission as it comes forward and as the developers come forward with their proposals I

072think to that point I think what stem we we started with a strategic plan in a in facilities use plan that we were going to or study we were going to go forward with and really what engaged the Rafer report request with some of the discussion from that and going okay we could see an increase but we don't know we don't know if it's 100 students we don't know if it's six students we don't we don't know and we're unable to answer that so let's engage a reporting agency to to help build that out and I think to to to have that discussion grounded in some some numbers and and and I believe we haven't provided that as a district in the past that's why we're making that investment on our end two of almost

07330 35,000 I believe ourselves just under between the two studies alone uh to help provide that information um so and I bring that up just from that standpoint of the seat on the commission the economic development we see how a lot of this doveet tales and it's spurring internal conversation for us of what can we do to provide that information out because if we're silent and go well we didn't know right then then we're negligible for that action right or in action in that scenario and that's that's our goal is to not be in that scenario and my last couple slides address that but I think that is the the study that you're doing is just very very welcome and will be very helpful to the Village I'll just go through these very quickly just

074wanted to give some background for the history of of the way tids have been used in Germantown um there were five tids that were created uh the 80s and the 90s uh the last one of those was closed in 2019 and these numbers are actually a couple years out of date now but they've added about $288 million to the to the Germantown property tax base and just in terms of what that means um with the current levies from all of the taxing jurisdictions with without that development um the the average property tax bill would be $700 more today without the development that took place in tids without that increment that have been created so the first one just so that you're you're familiar with it is over on lanon road um right off of the

075of the highway that was created in 1986 closed in 1994 the second tid was on on frot and and River Lane um not too far away from the high school um that was 88 to 94 tid three uh was a larger tid the uh uh germant toown Industrial Park um uh just off of frat road that was from two 1989 to 2013 that also CPP the landfill no did actually I didn't know that so C the landfill as well uh tid four Dean talked about was the Germantown Business Park 94 to 2019 tid five was the sendex area 1998 to 2013 um we have have four active tids uh tid 6 was created in 2014 that's the Willow Creek industrial park off of Appleton Avenue that started out with a base value of um $2,796

076th000 as of a little over a year ago it was at 52,1 1223 and there is another building going up there that's expected to close in 2032 uh tid 7 which started out as as JW speaker and was um Extended uh Northwest up to Holy Hill Road uh was created in 2017 uh with a base value of about 9.9 million right now there's an additional 23 uh6 million that have been added and there is one more large building that'll probably add another 15 to20 million onto that um with an expected closure of 2036 today is north of Holy Hill Road um that was created in 2018 with a base value of $640,000 um as of uh January 1st 2024 that was over $200 million in incremental value and that uh um at this point is

077probably at 250 and and you know I expect to see get up to about $300 million and closing in 2032 and then the the newest tid was a little bit different in terms of its purpose it was created in 2022 tid 9 uh over on dest Bay and wasaki road that had a base value of $188,000 it's now at 23.5 million that tid we created um to basically to fund uh about $9 million of infrastructure that was needed for the new DPW building so if you drive down Donas Bay Road here um the repaving that was done that that was all paid for in essence by the building that was put up on the corner the property taxes from that building are paid for the Reconstruction of Donas Bay Road as well as the access

078road um into the DPW building and all of the sewer and water work that was associated with that just for the record it was terrible driving around here last summer so it'll be much better much better much better this summer um couple questions on that I think there's some thought in the community that that t paid for the DPW building that's an inaccurate statement right inaccurate the DP building as a building was bonded for and was direct as as that it has a direct impact to the to the property tax levy but the development around it was the ti that's correct okay yeah and legally we could not have paid for the DPW building with a with a tit so the last two actions uh the village has asked us the center representative The Joint

079review board was on the expansion of tid n to Sterling Pharma correct I believe our action was in favor of of that because it would ensure a sooner closure of that tid um and the prior action was was it the Holy Hill tid seven was it tid was tid seven and eight and eight together to Spur um some adjacent development um that would then support exterior development to the tid it was mostly Road repair um and of the Holy Hill road from like The Interchange out to Goldendale including that intersection with the with the traffic lights was paid for by the Tiff um the uh onethird of the water tower was covered uh by by Tiff 8 any extension of sewer and water to the uh to the edge of the prop proper lines or

080to the next reach across Richfield uh was paid for by Tiff 8 and then the ongoing tips of six seven8 and N Pay a percentage of the village Administrator salary uh the Department of Public Works salary a director the director of planning the director of water and the director of sewer uh and park and wreck those tips pay a portion of that salary because of how they have to interact and inter face uh with them so they're not coming from general fund so when those close we don't lose those people no right no no we we'll pay for them somewhere else well you'll pay for it tax base um but no you won't lose those yeah and I think you're you're speaking to I think a lot of community comments that we've seen why are

081these people's salaries in there and I think that's great to shed some light on it um so in that situation this board voted in the negative on the extension now those kids were set as a 27 year and they were going to if you could help me on the dates they were set to close because they were being successful earlier than that right it pushed them out two years but they're still closing earlier yeah that's what I'm trying to get at so if I can't remember the dates or the years but if it was to close in 23 years and then that action pushed it to 25 years I'm not saying those are the the years I'm just saying that was the scenario added about a year and a half to two years Ted 8

082was going to close within eight years and now it'll be 12 maybe 10 years now it'll be 12 and tid 7 uh was as you had said um was going to close uh probably if you go 29 27 years onto onto 2017 now it's going to close uh in 2036 so it's also going to be earlier than the full length we haven't had a a a tiff go out to the full expenditures and probably tip three is the last time that it ran the full length of what was the performa shown um tid 8 is uh was one of the only tips I think in the state that was going to close in half the time of what it was projected to be uh but now because of some of the expenditures needed for improvements

083within a mile around that tid uh we're able to to take those monies that are really now in surplus of the increment and use it to uh to fund those so that we don't have to take it from the general fund but it does extend it uh two years but then instead of closing in eight years it's going to be you know 12 years yeah and and I think at that time and I won't speak for everyone that voted on it we voted negative to that because that extension while still shorter than its full life um didn't align or didn't align as well with some of our strategic planning needs down the road now that extension still occurred uh as I believe joint review went 41 on that vote and it moved forward and those

084projects have and if I can just add the what the what that Amendment funded what part of what that Amendment fund that Amendment funded was um the uh reconstruction or the construction of High Point pass is what we're calling it going from Holy Hill South to the railroad tracks as well as some extension of of water and sewer um to connect with the new Green Bay Packaging uh facility so that will that's that infrastructure investment will allow for both the Green Bay Packaging and then a Truck country development which will probably have a a total value just conservatively of $40 million that'll and those are outside the tid so that'll go directly onto the tax base as they develop not not on the exper okay corre so so that was you know that I I

085believe that's a good example of of how board used tid conservatively to try to not only look at at just you know how can we how can we pack as much development into the tidt as possible but to Spur development around it and and immediately benefit the other taxing jurisdictions and the taxpayers thank you um village uh debt levels I I'll go quickly through this I know there's a lot of other conversations that have gone up here in recent years um oh the the title's not showing up on this but this this first slide shows um dep per capita um which has gone up and you'll see the big jump in uh from 2022 to 2023 uh and that is basically the funding for the the new DPW facility um that facility cost uh and

086this includes the the $9 million for the infrastructure about $42 million um which is a huge investment for the Village um the last Public Works facility that we had was built in the early 1950s um and was well beyond its useful life um the facility that we built this time you know some communities have have made the choice of you know building uh metal buildings or in some cases even uh you see them from the high I see them from the highway some times the plastic you know uh Dome type buildings and using those um those are are less expensive but they're also have very short life expectancies this is a concrete building um that is built and equipped to last I mean literally into the next Century um and is that um that's paid

087out of your normal Revenue you're not increasing um your tax levy rate in order to cover that we bonded for that yes we borrowed for it and that went directly to the tax levy that that borrowing yeah the um under Municipal finances uh The Debt Service Levy uh because of the way the state constitution is written is not subject to the the levy limits um so uh when when municipalities borrow for something um if if Debt Service goes up um it uh uh it's outside of the levy there's two separate property tax levies for municipal municipalities the general fund Levy that that funds operations and then The Debt Service Levy that that funds borrowing uh and then the second the second um graph here is uh debt as a percentage of equalized value which again

088has shows the same shape but you can see it's dropping a little bit fast because our equalized value is going up um and then the the next slide is one from from uh aers that just shows the table of our our numbers here um the uh uh the amount of debt The Villages allowed to issue is um is 5% of our equalized value um and this is a calculation of table that's important that looks at the amount of outstanding debt um as a percentage of of equalized value we're at 36% of that limit at this point which means 62% that limit is still available I don't believe the village would ever get to that point um but the the key the key point to this table as I summarize on the next slide is that

089um you know we've got plenty of of um of capacity available uh for future needs um and as our debt has gone up um over the last few years just some of the some of the reasons for this um you know we did hear a lot the the board and board passing it back to staff that um there were a lot of complaints about the quality of the roads in the village and you know we can see in our our paser ratings which measure the quality of the road that there have been improvements and we have two big projects coming up on Division Road and um uh uh Rock Rockfield Road that will should show an even bigger increase in the payer ratings we completed the DPW facility we've had to completely mon modernize and

090secure our village it system so that you know things like our water utility our our um our police uh software systems and fire response systems are secure from from hackers um we you know I like to say I love 1980s music I'm not so much a fan of their financial systems um and we had to replace a 1980s era Financial systems um and we've been maintaining our facility replacement and vehicle replacement Cycles sounds familiar Chris yep uh so I think great music but terrible technology yeah yeah so I think you we've covered all all that already that we've got um you know we've made good Investments I think and debt has gone up but um but it has helped um it has helped our operations so just a a little um insight into what is

091coming down the road um and this first slide I wanted to address a question that we get often times is you know there are there are a lot of folks in the village who are opposed to additional housing um of any type going on and and and that is absolutely their their their right to do that to have that that perspective or or um or opposed to you know multif family housing or different variations so we get the question of why do you keep keep bringing these proposals forward and it really is the market that's driving these proposals coming forward um somebody mentioned the Tracy cross study before which is you know a lot of folks may not have liked what the Tracy cross study had to say but I like to remind everyone it

092is a descriptive study it's it it looked at the market as it exists and um it's important to understand what the market is even if we don't like what what the results of that were um so what that showed is that um there is a uh demand for um I think spell check got me on that 600 units of um of single family not Farmland housing in the um in the 250,000 to $450,000 range annually within our our um housing PMA which which is basically the area they looked at which includes Washington County and more or less mecan and monomon Falls um so that area there's a demand every year for 600 units of housing um and especially in that range of 250,000 to 450,000 most of the houses that have been going up in

093Germantown are are above that range um in in recent years well above that range um Tracy cross also said there is a demand within that area for 400 units of multif family housing that when the rental range is of of roughly $1,500 a month for one bedroom $2,500 a month for three bedrooms in in our in our area in our region here um and German Town even within that region is considered to be a highly desirable area due to the freeway access proximity to Milwaukee the schools all make this an area where people want to build that house in as opposed to other areas in addition to that Germantown land prices are are relatively low because we do have a a significant number of Farmland owners who are no longer interested in farming many of

094them are you know looking to retire and that's their retirement account is their is their land so they are looking to sell for uh to to see their property developed um and as we um talked about uh within the The Village Center area there are a lot of Redevelopment opportunities as well there's some large spaces of infill um uh and you know I'm sure just s sitting here you can think of of areas in the area or Parcels in the area here that could sustain housing if that was the direction that the village and the school board wanted to go there's there's lots of opportunities to do that here so those Market forces are what bring those proposals forward to the Village it's not anything that the village is doing we don't have ads out

095and you know developers or Us magazine or or anything like that um trying to attract these proposals it is the developers and the property owners who are bringing those forward for the most part with with you know the exception being the um yeah the uh uh Pilgrim and mecad proposal so on I'll go through some of the specifics that we have in the pipeline um one that I think you're probably familiar with HomePath uh is a developer that has uh the area outlined here under contract that is that's an example of one of the families that had farmed that for years and is now um this is I would say in the last seven years maybe the third or fourth uh proposal that the family has brought forward in an in an effort to develop

096their land um The Proposal that they're working on with hom path would include 44 Flagship homes which are similar to those that might be might see see going up in in Renwood or um you know off a Division Road um there are3 pathway homes which um are a little bit smaller but would still include like a two-car garage and you know three bedrooms two bathrooms similar to like a mid90s construction home construction yeah yeah I think that's it's a fair yeah yeah probably closer to that small smaller acreage small small little bit this yeah squ um there would be 108 row houses uh which would be you know twostory walkup row houses with one to three bedrooms like Brownstone Brownstone type um 28 paired homes duplexes uh so a total of 283 units I think

097those were side by side side by side ranch style yep ranch style or it could the one side could be twostory and the other side could be Ranch you see some of those sprinkled about in Germantown I think there's a couple examples of those on Pilgrim Road um you know as you head south from mecan road but what's important in regards to this development is a couple things they they used the Tracy cross report as as part of their information of bringing this forward um they are also ring their their homes in in a in a area that younger families can probably reach to um their Flagship homes are anywhere from 475 to 5 and a quarter and then it goes down from there uh the very low point which would be your uh Rouses

098are probably around 295 so the idea is to create a step system for those younger families to get their first homes and start that that home ownership um you know of getting your uh your feet in and getting that investment growing so that you can take the next step as your family grows or as your opportunity within your career grows but in this particular development they have those examples all the way through the flagship the larger homes being towards the back um and then the the smaller um call it introductory level type homes being towards the front what is also different about this proposal is um there really isn't any need for Tiff sewer and water is right at that bottom right hand corner it stops right there so any type of of infrastructure to

099push in roads or sewer and water and and we feel there probably is a fair amount of of rock in that area because you can see it rise as it heads towards um Appleton Avenue that becomes the developer expense there is no plan uh or or desire to supplement this development within the village and to say uh so I would sit on the commission when this was brought forward by the develop there's a developer proposed and at that hearing it was simply a listening uh input session they paid for uh through a permitting process whatever uh for that commission to provide feedback to them and with that theyve then hosted a listening session I was unfortunately I wasn't able to attend due to all the other meetings we have uh I would say considering the

100other proposals we've seen for that area this is is more in line or more responsive to what some of the community feedback prior to that to to this proposal has been I know there had been uh multistory units uh commercial down on the bottom apartments up top all that type of diff I mean that that's the range of development we've seen proposed for this gas even on the corner gas station on the corner interested at one time um the last one before this was um a uh fiduciary was coming through and putting in um uh multif family throughout with HOA um and uh Leasing and then on the back side of it it was going to be um industrial warehouse now their initial proposal for this project was there will be rental oportunities possibly uh

101possibly yeah I mean that's it's in their models they have models out there their business structure at architect it would I mean that was their presentation I'm not saying the entire thing I think the intent is to sell these homes and and do that uh this particular location for the school district's concerned would impact Amy bells and Elementary now we know not every kid that would move into this development would go to elementary some would be in the middle school and the high school but uh primarily as far as uh grade school children they would impact Amy B district and that's just more for context for people that are listening well and as as we get into some of the future slides I would say this is the the the proposed development or the one

102coming through the pipeline that based on the housing type would likely have the most kids and and the most potential students coming into I think they in their proposal they even proactively apprach that subject with aund is it 1343 was it 135 thank you 135 children okay and that's I think that was in response to other discussions because we've seen us ask that a lot of developers and then they answer it on the fly with a we think so I appreciate that developer's proactive approach to addressing from my perspective this would be more desirable CU my thought is if you've got a single family home someone's planting Roots there versus renting an apartment if it's kids in our district they're probably going to be there until they graduate so that's giving us stability that we

103can project and plan plan around right yeah yeah okay sorry nope that's right then moving on to the next one um one other thing before that right now this is has no further plans nor have we seen any proposals brought forward to plan commission they've done their consultation which is normal and then they've done their uh uh their own um listening session at the library where they invited uh Neighbors from around and uh and and showed them you know the types of homes and and talked to them about their concerns but we have not seen anything come forward formally before plan commission for zoning or for site plan or anything else so it's it's really very much in its infancy and at the time that that those discussions would progress it's not out of the

104realm of putting into a developers agreement that uh rentals aren't allowed I mean that could be part of the prerequisite of what that development is and those are discussions and negotiations that happened uh with Village staff uh as a possible coming to the grounds about develop agreement that they would propose to village board as part of this development um so has there has there been nothing coming forward to plan Commission because they're working with your village planner in the background trying to finalize plans before it comes forward or I think there're still in a research um in you know of of looking at it and based on the research and what they've heard through the consult with the plan commission and what they've heard from the residents they need to go back and decide if

105they want to pursue and what kind of Investments they want to start making towards us in regards to risk or or what they see as risk of of it going through its steps and paying for those steps and you know if they would end up with with that development based on what they've heard so far so that I think it's it's more like that but at the time that they would then make the next steps with a proposal that's when they'd be working with uh Jeff rof and the planning department in regards to what they're what they're looking to put where they're looking to put it what kind of Roads what kind of accesses would be either off of county line or off of lanon how far away are they from the corner um you

106start getting then into traffic studies if additional traffic studies need to be done what are the conditions to protect the neighbors that are around in regards to birming or setbacks or any of those other things those are the discussions that would happen um when they would start that process and to to the neighbors point I think we've heard at that initial meeting concerns about this size of a Development coming in and and I can respect those concerns because they're in a rural area and they were looking to maintain that um I think there's some realities of development that happen when you're this close to Major metropolitan area I don't know how well that's accommodating um but for the school district standpoint we're obviously we're also concerned maybe in a different avenue of that development uh

107I can say this one does seem to come forward and to that stability level and impact level in the area of the school district which is key to as we continue our conversation tonight um is the most interesting to me I guess from a school standpoint um maybe not a personal standpoint but as a school standpoint so um the next one we've we've talked about uh to a great extent already uh the mecan pilgrim Redevelopment area uh the phase one would include um you know 3 to 400 market rate Apartments to the question that that has come up a couple of times there these would not be any sort of subsidized or or any there's uh anything along those lines would these would be market rate Apartments um we are we are looking at some

108grants but those are all environmental grants related to cleaning up some of the environmental issues on the site um and one thing I'll say about the apartment and this may be another opportunity another area where there's opportunity for some discussion and and some joint planning um you know the village will have some control over the types of apartments that go in um are they you know three bedrooms that are attracting you know families uh with with kids and students or are they studio and one-bedroom apartments uh with maybe a handful of two-bedroom apartments that are are going to have many fewer students generally what the developers are pushing for are the studios and the one-bedrooms um and you know I think that's been a change in in apartment development over the past 20 years future

109phases you know again could include a lot of different things there could be row houses there could be condos there could be you know smaller lot Standalone single family in in the area and as you go further south that large track of land that's beyond that that outline um that's privately owned at the time that other development would happen they could decide that now is the time for them to sell and we don't know but it's possible and at that time you're now backing up against established residents already along ly Lane so there would be no plans uh I don't think to put in apartments because it wouldn't fit into what's already on the backside of that that would be I think more of a single family home proposal but it's not really part of

110this plan but when you're looking outward and Beyond as to what that impact is and the possibility of of that that track of land that's in there it's it's it's possible that that could you know fall within 15 to 20 years and then I think it would be more of a single family school so for the Northern end of this development Phase 1 3 to 400 units is the potential of the concept that's being talked about um phase two is the commercial aspect commercial lower residential upper um phase one would include some of the of the commercial um the um if I can the yeah I'd give you a laser pointer but it won't work on the TV I'll just um kind of point out the there would be two buildings in Phase One first

111would be an apartment building that would be over in this area um and then coming up this way towards uh Pilgrim Road would be a second building that would include kind of on the end here on the first floor some commercial uh but then the upper floors would be residential so most of what would go in initially would be residential that they might be small amount of commercial too soon for you to say but Allin for this project All Phases what are we looking at from a unit standpoint residential unit standpoint um I don't I know that's yeah there we there has been some analysis on what that could look like um I would say that uh what's more certain is is in Phase 2 um you know which would include the the bimo and

112the BP uh as well as the Ascension building there would be a smaller amount of residential that would go in there um and that's going to be very much dependent on the design uh where the bimo and the BP is or are um that would be all first floor commercial um you ideally restaurants some small stores that kind of thing um with with probably second floor with residential that's probably a smaller number of units maybe maybe 50 to 75 in that area and then um the Ascension building which is probably five years out from from something being done with that um might be another 150 units now what occurs going south then is much harder to predict um and I think the match was probably some gradiation to yeah yeah and just from continuing conversations

113that Planning Commission I could see that easily being transitioned to either some row home or sidebyside scenario into single family I I don't understand the full acreage there how it really builds out because it's going to depend for RO housing sounds has a I think a negative connotation to it because it's that old school of Ro housing like New York Ro housing and that kind of Chicago Ro housing what it really means is more of a um a side uh where you have six grouped yeah homes and they could be a condominium uh owner occupied That's Not Unusual yeah you've seen some of that down in mecan and thingsville area as well weren't you talking three to 400 units last night we talking it's a different discussion on a in a different area the the

1143 to 400 units is what's been proposed by uh when rinka and and Bailey Copeland uh but when you have a developer come forward they're going to probably glom onto that and want that in excess and it really becomes more of a negotiation with them as to what's reasonable and acceptable for that area 3 to 400 is thrown out this has a as a number of of of holding it doesn't mean it's going to be that right now because we don't have any discussions with developers but I'm sure that those that are interested and now that they've already seen that 400 number out there which bothers me a little bit that's the first one they're going to come with but it's always can be uh negotiated back they're always going to ask for everything up

115front uh as much as they can possibly get and you know we've been doing this long enough to know that everything they want they don't get it and everything we want we don't get you kind of meet in the middle so from this standpoint sir sir sir sir and I understand you you want to participate but since it is a board discussion and we've passed citizen comment and I and I respect your you're want to get that clarification and we're going to continue this conversation but in order to keep it going we we can't interact that way and that's that's a ruling right that's that's Robert's Rules of Order right to keep order for that scenario I understand your want okay but we're gonna we're going to continue that I would just suggest an offer

116I can leave my business card if anybody has any questions they can follow up with me tomorrow and I'd be happy to answer be fantastic um so I'm trying to understand size so in the their scenario and some trustees have thrown out this number of six students I haven't seen the report that says six students right uh that seems pretty low do you off hand do you know and I'm just thinking of I wouldn't call it a like development but recent development if we can use that the German toown uh Saxony Village how many units is Saxony Village and that 50 about 350 units okay so in that route um just preliminarily so you guys understand we're showing currently we believe it's 23 students enrolled okay um for what that's worth I'm just looking for

117a little bit of an apple to Apple it's not necessarily but yeah yeah I where the well and I I'll get to where the six students came from but um one a couple more housing developments and then we'll go to that the next one I've got a Germantown has already purchased property is it correct yes uh I think the number is 7.4 million yes what what what did you purchase on this slide for 7.4 million sure there were three Parcels um the first was uh the flower Source property which is this area here um um and that was uh 1.7 million um then there's there's this parcel here the vacant parcel was 700,000 and then the Ascension building is 5 million this hasn't been purchased well we haven't closed on it but we we've the

118we're committed to villes agreed to we've agreed to purchase it when's closed for that uh closes June 30th okay so um and that is just again foral background Ascension has a um a lease on that uh property that's for another 3 years um and the village will get the revenue from that lease which I believe is $450,000 a year um and there is potential with that um and we've started initiating at the very early levels some conversations with Ascension they may be interested in occupying some of the commercial space that gets built as part of this project sure how uh was that financed um it is uh it's financed with General obligation borrowing um which and the the uh Debt Service from the general obligation borrowing be paid four out of the tax increment District

119but I I will give that caveat that doesn't exist yet which which which doesn't exist yet if if that would not be approved then it would be obligation borrowing on the tax levy the other caveat though is The Village's intention is not to hold those properties not to own them it's to resell them to a developer so when we go through the RFP process with a developer one of the questions will be what are you willing to pay for the property um so uh it's part of the negotiation that'll be part of the negotiation um and you know and we are doing this as a competitive process we did an RFQ initially and we had 15 different developers respond so you know we're we're structuring this process to get those 15 developers to compete with

120one another to provide the best deal possible uh for the village and is your expectation that you'd sell the property to the developer for at least the 1.7 that you paid for the flower Source or could that be lower it depends it's all part of negotiation it could be depending on what what is is you know provided back to the village in regards to lower density or um some additional amenities for that development it's a it's a a plan development District so usually when you have a plan development District based on on what you want there as a developer there has to be something that uh is is provided back to the village in regard to some sort of amenity whether it be walking paths uh fountains some sort of uh gazebo some something maybe

121in around the market plots unkknown but it can be part of that discussion based on on how it is structured as as a zoning district and and the way that they're coming into a plan development District that's allowing them a little bit more density than straight zoning what allow yeah my perspective is if you sell it to a developer for anything less than what you paid for it now it becomes taxpayer subsidized housing CU taxpayer money bought it and and sold it for less than that the taxpayers got to make up that difference well it just from a kind of a just a a technical perspective I mean what would happen if the taxpayers within the tax increment District would make up the difference if that's approved or if the tax increment district is approved

122or even needed how many acres is the flower Source um I believe the the total area is is it 48 Acres I I I don't remember that off the top of my head can I ask see a proced question yes is this in the purview of the school board what we're discussing it's not a village me whatever they decide to do that's that's a village matter it's true we're really looking at what the impact imp School District I think we're getting a little off topic here fair enough right because this that this topic was inform yeah right which we're I don't think anyone's asking to uh suine negotiation that needs to happen outside of this scenario so I I would agree we're probably we're probably I think the size of the property is important you

123know it's a I'm not asking a question that's not valid it gives us an idea of how many high density units could be put on that granted we get into the how it's being financed and such I mean we we could I would I would recommend in that scenario we could watch other Village meetings that have been recorded in and available via YouTube because they do speak to quite a bit of that um I I don't disrespect the question because I think it's helpful but there are Avenues where we can glean that information and and just to keep this um and I I could I can email you with that I I just don't remember all the about yeah sure I think the general public needs to know well it's part of backup Steve just

124doesn't remember it off the top of his head yeah it's it's been in open discussions and well it was in last night's packet I'm not Mike I'm not I understand and I agree with what you're saying and I do think they do need to know but I'm just saying we have an Avenue we don't need to use this meeting for specifically that that's all it's not it's not like it took a lot of time to answer and I think it's an appropriate question to know whether the school district is going to approve this t or not and we'll have we will have that discussion further I'm just a numers guy 2010 census showed 20,000 people in Germantown that 7.4 million is $370 out of every man woman and child's pocket in this district and I

125don't really appreciate it very much not knowing where it's going right now I'm good thank you go ahead thank you um next is uh Blackstone the golf course uh the haach group is the owner of the golf course and they purchase that uh two or three years ago uh with the intention of of uh developing it uh for residential housing they submitted a proposal a few months ago to the Village to uh potentially exchange some uh some of the gulf course land uh for some of the park land um and that is what we are working on right now um they have not submitted a proposal uh for their residential development um I you know I do know obviously we've had had meetings and conversations uh just kind of framing the discussion um I think

126it would be something along the lines of what we've seen in some previous iterations the last one was from fiduciary that included approximately 300 Studio one bedroom and two bedroom apartments with rents in the $2 to $3,000 per month range um and that I would say the planning for this is probably another full year here uh before we know if anything is going to be happening or or for sure what that would look like could also be owner occupied down along Main Street yep it could could include or or possibly even be entirely owner occupied at this point we don't know um then there were two other things that have come up that I thought I should just include for the conversation before we go on there has been um uh conversations that there is

127a requirement for a TI it's not a requirement it was through an initial proposal again uh they're going to ask for everything in the moon initially and that doesn't mean that's what they end up with but it had been put in that initial proposal as part of this discussion it doesn't mean it's going to end up that way and not we really don't I think we don't propose it to go down I think concerns around that are based off of the actions around the Village Center and what we're seeing come forward and I know you're adamant it's not necessarily A tid yet but when we're receiving invitations to pending joint review boards being formed for approval of tids um I could tell when it's raining outside right I mean that's and that would be for

128Village Center yeah but in a very systematic like formation that the Village Center occurred that's the same discussion in lines we've heard in the beginning infancy of this project I'm I'm I understand where you're going but I I'm not saying it is M but I'm saying it's very similar and we can only judge off past actions so a couple of other uh projects that came up that um over the past you know six months or so um one is the Victory Place proposal not too far away from here down on Fondulac at Crimson Road there was a proposal that was submitted for 66 units in five twostory buildings with rental rates of 1,700 to ,000 per month the plan commission denied that application um in December of this this year the developers informed us that

129they're revising the proposal and plan to resubmit it um a different version of it for consideration um then the other one was at Faith Faith Lutheran Church on mecan road submitted a proposal on on their property um for well for 42 rental units and 13 duplex and Triplex buildings they're looking at those being rentals with rates of $2 to $3,000 per month they had a consultation with the plan commission and based on that they're revising their proposal to 36 units and they're planning to schedule a second consultation with the plan Commission in April or May um either any of those those I'm sorry not any of those all of those that you just mentioned are proposed by developers without Village involvement correct unlike the Village Center and potentially the Blackstone development I want put the

130Blackstone development in in plans with the village right now uh the only reason why I say in plans with the with the village is it would involve a land swap with the village if the village was UN I would agree unwilling to do it it would drastically change their ability to in scale of project right that that's all I'm going okay than fa um just a couple of slides here um uh first of all just wanted to say I think the the studies that you're doing are going to be very helpful to our planning efforts and um to you know efforts to try to work together more cooperatively um uh one of the things that as I talked with the community development director earlier today uh and you know we were talking we have a

131meeting coming up with uh your consultant uh in in another couple of weeks but but when that data is available uh the 2050 plan that was adopted in 2022 does include Provisions for um you know uh updates or refreshing it every five years or so and that might be something that would be helpful to uh take this data and incorporate that update the uh 2050 plan with that um and obviously it's data that uh can help the plan commission make decisions about proposed housing developments and I just like to put that caveat in there that and again we don't control what projects go forward generally you know there there's there's Market forces out there that are that are driving a lot of this some I mean some projects though some projects well you know what

132but even I would say even with the pilgrim and mecan project there if if the village had not if the village had not taken the action to get involved with purchasing land there would be a proposal out there for development of that and it just it wouldn't look like what the the village board is trying to accomplish here so um wanted to just talk a little bit about demographics um you know generally you know the United States like other countries has been seeing a decline and birth rates and the population is getting older um looking at demographics that that we've seen and some of the things we've done in the village um the village is one of the older communities in Washington County and Washington county is one of the older counties in the state

133so we're um we're we're we're graying um if if not already some of us maybe a little more than others are already gray um we did take a look when you heard that you were hiring roer we took a look and we thought um as we've been trying to find information that would be helpful for us getting an understanding of of what this might include so we were able to find a couple of studies that they had done in the area area one for the uh Watertown Unified School District and one for the wossa school district um there were some things that were that were in common in in both of those studies one they did mention that in both communities they saw that uh birth rates for Millennials were were slowly creeping up um

134which I think was a good sign um and they did use the same ratios in both of those studies for uh the impacts of new development so um the ratios that roofer used um were uh one student for every 20 to 50 units of market rate multif family housing um the 20 was specific to wossa where um they wossa has uh intentionally tried to generate uh more housing it's not necessarily subsidized but it is lower cost housing and uh I think that's why they used a different number for wossa um they said that there's one student generated for every five existing home sales so um you know as as the community is graying and people are moving out of their homes and maybe into you know uh um uh retirement facilities those kinds of things

135when those houses resell there's generally one student for every every five of those houses that sells um there's one student for every three units of income restricted housing which does not apply here um and then one student for every two units of single family housing so I think you know going back to the uh the Home Path uh I think you mentioned about 138 or some something about that that was their number yeah it that works works out to about about half of one student for every two households that they have the 50 units per uh for for every student of market rate multif family that if you take the the 300 units of of the uh Pilgrim and mecan would work out to be one you know about six students for those 300 six

136to eight students if it's more like 400 units so again we're scheduled to meet with roer in April and looking forward to those results um I think we had a lot of question along the way and discussion along the way I'm not sure if anyone else does that this time Chris has a presentation from the school standpoint does anybody need a break before we get into that side of the conversation give we've been at this far five minutes we give two minutes and we'll be back but yes thank you um to take our recess take a recess like to make a motion to take a brief recess I'll second Mr Barney with a motion Mr with a motion Mr Brown with a second any discussion hearing none all in favor I any opposed hearing none

137that passes we're on recess for at e e e just waiting there's a couple in the hallway go ahead there's okay thank you uh we're going to reconvene here at 8:01 p.m. and continue this meeting with Dr reuter uh presenting some information uh regarding School District thanks Mr eward I just put together a few slides tonight as um the conversation's been heavy on the work the district is you know obviously we're informed of what's going on in the village but the work the district's doing to ensure that we have uh research behind our decision making and we're taking a strategic approach so this evening I want to share just a few things um so that we can all be on the same plane field when it comes to our current state and uh projected future

138State I would recommend that anyone watching at home or in the audience join our board meeting next Monday night on March 7th uh JP cullin 17th 17th I'm sorry JP Cullen and u p architecture are coming to share a very lengthy presentation on their work related to our facilities conditions report and as Mr KW said um MD roers is currently working with um our entities within the Germantown School District boundaries as well as us we have a pretty extensive data set we're sending them um before the end of the week that will be their part of their preliminary study looking all the way back at 2015 um student enrollment and growth within the district to current and then the future outlook for 10 to 20 to 30 years so with that I just wanted to

139set the stage with these are this is our current boundary map so that we're aware of um based on where uh our population is of students where they fall when it comes to our elementary specifically because every student within the boundaries that go to our school districts go to Kennedy Middle School and Germantown High School as those are our only po uh secondary schools you can see that our highest density areas are the county line MacArthur area which sit thank you Mr eward sit right in the village Rockfield has the most expansive boundary but um some of the least density population and then Amy Bell is um to the West as we can see as well I'll come back to this as we talk about a few things um there's a distinction between our four

140elementary schools our two elementaries here within the village County Line and ell we would consider neighborhood schools as some of you have children or have had children go to those schools they sit technically within a neighborhood um we know that CU sometimes our neighbors are upset with bus routes and traffic that go through but there's a there's a distinct advantage to being a neighborhood school and I just share that so we understand the difference between our two our four Elementary settings so they're within close walking distance um home and back to their school they're part of a neighborhood and and you any of these schools you walk across the street or adjacent to them um there are we do evacuation drills we do safety drills we're standing in other people's backyards and side streets and

141there's a strong Community Connection because if you've ever been to MacArthur and I know everyone in this board has on not only the first day of school but in the morning you have a large population of parents that walk their children to school so it's a uniqueness of being a neighborhood School and then what I call our our County Schools Amy Bell in Colgate and Rockfield off for Rockfield Road um those are more R rural areas and the neighborhoods that are that feed into those areas or those elementary schools are more larger more expansive and part of bigger neighborhood plots and lands that um walking distance to school is not is not an opportunity so I just wanted to set the stage when we think about the previous two slide slides when we talk about

142um our boundaries as a school district how that relates to the uniqueness of our four elementaries and some of the information that was shared by Mr C klau and Mr Walter tonight about possible future expansion um so we this will be D dived much deeper into on Monday nights with p and JP cullin but this is some preliminary information this table that I've provided here with our boundary map next to it shows each of our elementary buildings middle and high school their current 2425 enrollments the 10 high and then the targeted capacity National operation efficiency um Norms are that elementaries though we have 100% capacity 80% is what we should operate at and that's a national Norm when it comes to um instructional space so obviously we can fit more kids than what um maybe

143the 80% capacity says per building but that would mean that the gymnasium is completely full at its full capacity the cafeteria every space is full when we look at instructional space classroom space we operate at 80 uh I'm sorry 90% Middle School National Norm is at 85% in high school is at 80% the reason high school and middle school are lower percentage for total capacity is because you have a schedule that's uh pertinent to specific programming and bells run a school right whereas in elementary if you're in fourth grade most likely you're in your fourth grade classroom all day long so as you can see from our current enrollment to our tenure high in Target capacity we see that um County Line we're we're pushing our Target capacity McArthur we're we're close to our Target

144capacity in Rockfield Elementary um additionally we're we're pushing that as well Middle High School I'm sorry Middle School we're already past Target capacity as well as um high school we have to think back to the previous referendum classroom space was added at elementaries and it was redistributed at middle and high school but um we see um as we've talked there's lower birth rates and I just did a presentation to elected officials in Washington County about a month ago we see lower birth rate across um not only the country the state but Washington County so we have kids coming in at lower lower level um when it comes to um our elementaries that are graduating over the last 5 years but um as we talk about some of those areas that could be developed specifically the

145Blackstone area that would feed into Rockfield um so you can see that that um information there from a data standpoint uh The Village Center area would any student population that would be accumulated there at an elementary level would feed to MacArthur and I wasn't aware of the Faith Lutheran one but that would County I just want to correct um so Blackstone technically is part of County Line currently we discussed the thought of a read yeah it's right if you go back to the map it's right here but uh it would be an easy spot to Annex up to to Rockfield we're not in those discussion but it's it's a thought bubble I suppose to have but that school itself is correct and so even though like the Rockfield area in green there is the most

146uh square footage of Germantown School District that's one of our smaller square footage buildings when it comes to that so just thinking about I'm just sharing that for future context as you think about expansion and what that impact could have on our highest density areas which are County the blue down there County Line MacArthur areas um just to somebody who's you know not involved with managing schools how does the the the math work from the elementary to the Middle School level where you've got you know significantly more uh so I guess you got fewer grades is that so you've got seven is it seven six sth and eth and Elementary is 4K okay through great okay so that's how you're able to to go from the um that's an area of potential for adjustment but

147yeah not not a not ideal not ideal okay A a typical transition is fifth grade to sixth grade you see some districts that might build a or have an Intermediate School fifth through eth grade or even consolidate down to seventh and e but when you start to do that it changes programming and expectations of the community okay thank you yeah um another area that to just for context and people to understand the graph to the left is uh and I have the 2223 audited results from the Department of Public Instruction um not surprising that DPI is not up to date with their current audited results so I've put um and because it's public record I wanted the the most accurate that can be out there for anyone to access um but our our our CH

148our Revenue as well as our cost per pupil changes have not really changed over the last two to three years so the graph on the left shows our Revenue sources as a school district you can see that state revenue in the red takes about a third of that at um 31% about $21 million is um comes from state aid federal revenue is about 5% at um 3.4 million uh local non-property tax revenue is at 5.4% that's things like student fees parking uh fees fines things like that space rental space rental when when we have Community groups using our Fieldhouse or any of our facilities Boy Scouts whoever it might be basketball groups whatever that looks like um and you can see the biggest chunk of that pie is property tax revenue which is almost 58%

149so that's local property tax from our municipalities at $38 million a year so I put that in context that has not fluctuated much with our most current audit results um but you can see where our majority of our operational Revenue comes from is the local taxing Authority so then if you jump to the uh Pi chart on the right now you can see how do we spend that money so that's the revenue is about $1 16,36 per kid we spend on average and that's on average 13,293 per student to educate them that doesn't mean when things happen we're not spending to the max because we're coming out at the end of the year flat with our budget so if you look at the pie chart to the right you can see the breakdown of how

150we then spend that close to uh $66 million for this school district uh instruction that's that's Workforce that's staff that's materials for staff um specifically teachers and educational assistance um office staff you can see pupil support staff that's for our special education programming Administration um daily operations Transportation which we're on RFP for so hopefully that chart pie chart gets a little smaller um and then facility costs to keep our buildings up and running and then our food service uh to provide meals and uh nutrition for our children so I wanted to just put that in context so that everyone understood that our major our major source of Revenue is from our local taxpayer and then how that's broken out and and spent any questions on those two jks I don't think so okay I know

151the finance committee does a great job of sharing this information we do another area that a question that's come up as we talk about uh possible future expansion specific to the Village Center as well as the current rental areas that we have that re that feed into the Marthur Elementary School I wanted to share in uh data from the last four years related to our end of June enrollment projections based on who's enrolled to be in school for the following year to our September 1 enrollment um you'll see that 4K in 2021 and 2022 go from zero and then they jump we didn't have a 4K program but um this is one of our biggest pinch points as a school district is when it comes comes to specifically MacArthur because we have a transient population

152based on the rental units that feed into that elementary and so we can go into the summer building our fiscal budget for the next year thinking okay we're in a good spot and all of a sudden there's a change in July August in rental agreements and we can see an up spike in students and now we're we're to a point where we have to hire people at the last minute so quality of Workforce Development is is very low or we can see that there's a reduction and now we have a shift in class size based on our class size policy where there might be smaller class sizes which is always good but then when you compare that across the other three elementaries so we we have this conundrum every year of constantly monitoring every Monday

153morning it's part of my team's work um throughout the summer to see do we need to add 4K teachers 5K teachers or any other elementary teachers which also builds instability I sat in this room today during a social studies review that Mr mizak was running with Elementary teachers across the the district and one of the conversation topics that came up and I walked in and then I got put on the spot was um our fluctuation specifically at this building and sometimes at County Line um and teachers having a change grade level every year which we we hire the best and we retain the best but that does put a stress on the system from a standpoint of training around reading programs math programs everything like that as well as employees going every year I'm not

154sure what grade level as soon as I've mastered content and skill and age now I have to move grade level which then can lead to non- retention because I can go to a district where there's consistency when it comes to demographic and student uh enrollment that was one of the points I was lightly discussing last night um so not everything's M money at the end of the day it's also the workforce engagement right those are real concerns we so then what's the quality of Education when every year teach teachers going you know and so I I play this all the way back to then the schools might not perform at the level which isn't going to draw people to live here which isn't going to draw a Workforce right so that's that's where we come

155from from a educational Source do you have any like any thoughts on what's causing people to to leave to come and go that often is it you know is it you know Family household Financial issues is it okay so they're they're generally having trouble affording the rent or okay okay that I would say that's our the majority okay or people are waiting till something opens and then they can move in right before because they want to come here right but then yeah they're gone anywhere so specifically at MacArthur is a title one school and we receive the most federal funding and it's siphon there because of the highest need we see a transient population and that leads to um a lot of that additional where I say it's on average 13,000 and change for to

156educate a student we see a lot of our resource special education funds title funds as well as general funds going there because we have students that are not in the system and I can't remember who said it before but when kids families want to move here early on and grow up and live here we catch them early to find their needs and we can put resources and early versus students coming in and out and there's high cost that is associated with that not that we're not going to educate them but it's it's a it's a changing variable consistently yeah based off the educational process they're given so you could imagine from one of our bigger school districts they move in and they're behind not developmentally but supportively right from that district and then what they

157get here we have to pick that up and we do yeah right with intent to get them successful for themselves oh I I completely understand that I'm just I'm I'm kind of just mentally exploring what could be the what could be the cause of the people leaving and if they're you know I just one hypothesis I don't know that this is true or not and I'm not trying to debate I'm just trying to learn but um you know we have seen that we have studies that show that there is a shortage of entrylevel housing like houses for purchase in germant toown and I'm one of the things I'm wondering is if people are living in apartments in germant toown there are not houses that they can afford to buy here so instead of starting out

158their family in an apartment and Germantown and then buying a starter home in Germantown and continuing to stay in the school system they buy a starter home in Jackson or Slinger or hardford yeah and I would say I I don't know that answer um and hopefully the raer some of the Rafer study will help with that but um MacArthur being a title one school means it has the highest level of free and reduced okay and so one could equate that lower income housing that's available in that region at a high density level yeah that's why we have year after year that is considered a we receive the our federal money is is is put to that school Chris we would say that um county line is equally impacted by population but we see a distinct

159difference in the population one being McArthur based with a large portion of it off of low-income rental and County Line being impacted by just a high density not not high density housing but just a high density of homeownership housing right yep reaching from the title one formula so they would it's it's a different demographic but the same issue at the end of the day when it comes to density yeah okay thank you yep um so I go back to this as you see those numbers again and we think about uh what was shared tonight about possible future expansion and and dens high density um housing that could could directly impact that County Line and mccarthur blue area as well as possibly um things that outside of financials you know the district went through redistricting in

1602021 I believe um that's never a popular thing to do to say hey to a family you bought a house here and guess what next year because you wanted to go to the school next year you're going to be across town as well as we think about you know there's we're in RFP process with transportation and then the last um transportation contract there was a change on start times at the elementary for cost savings for the district um and we're looking to H through the transportation committee RFP process how can we maybe level that out or get times more similar given you know um parents schedules and and daycare pre prechool and post school but also um some of our schools that get out later they might have a shorter bus ride than some of

161our school based on our current boundaries than some of our schools that get out earlier but kids are spending more time in the bus so not only the financial impact of future uh expansion could lead to possible need for referendum whether it's operational or Capital but it could future conversation about expansion could lead to redistricting which is still not a a popular thing with parents so I'm just highlighting things that I've probably already said or we've discussed tonight but some of the future work uh Monday night at the Board of Education meeting at the PAC at 7 p.m JP Cullen and P will provide an extensive um presentation and then there will be a report um that will uh we'll have information through our packet um and the board will be given a very extensive

162report related to um current facilities conditions of every building uh thinking longterm not just uh one to three years but 10 years out and what financial implications could be there so that has that has big just to operate right not even thinking about development um as well as uh space inadequate y I shared some preliminary numbers here P will go more into depth with that is they've spent a lot of time in our buildings with um our principles and walking around and understanding um instructional Space versus non-instructional Space um that's going to be pretty um important you reference Watertown they did that work there um I would only say that when we reference other school districts not everything and I say this all the time when it comes to funding nothing's apples the apples Watertown

163sits in two counties not one County right um it's got a lot of room for expansion tosa is a landlocked area we're germant town right so we have to do our study based on what what we're going to get um as I said tomor before the end of the week we're sending an extensive data file to MD roers I've been in contact with them over the last week to understand our current growth and then future growth and I've looked at their reports I mean they were they just did a big report in cedarberg um they've worked with okok who's had major growth right and had to go to multiple referendums over the last couple years um so their reports I've looked at them to understand what the product finish quality is going to be versus

164trying to compare because every municipality right is is different so that's going to be important um I know Mr eward has shared um with the village that uh once these reports we know the uh P JP Cullen PR report will be done Monday but when the Rafer report's done um I'm happy to come to a village meeting and share the results and what that impact could look like on the boundaries of of the school district moving forward so I just I I don't have 40 slides tonight Steve so I just wanted to I'm I'm pretty to the point guy um I just wanted to share kind of what we're working on and and as well go back to I think you know a lot of times conversation happens without thinking about this what are our

165boundaries what does it look like within the school district as well as putting in consideration uh financials and what we get what we ask for the from the local taxpayer and how we spend that money and then what those ramifications are that are unique to each of our different elementaries because um they are four entities but they're one that feed then to that success at middle and high school moving forward so that's what that's that's all I had for this evening thank you I will continue to open this up for discussion cautiously but that's why we're here um just just to that end point though we do impact multiple municipalities so actions in which we have to react to based off a village I may be going to Richfield Jackson Colgate pulk town of germant

166toown residents who aren't seeing those benefits and saying we might need your tax dollars to support those scenarios that's a really difficult ask and we don't throw the referendum and Chris and I have had plenty of uh leveled conversations around what a referendum looks like how do you get to it why would you where are we at with our current one and and and and the least desire in the world to possibly go to another one right because we already we see the tax bill when it comes home comes due and uh we get this large number next to ours and I think you'll have a little number next to yours given this public safety referendum you ran um the common theory is school districts run from referendum to referendum based off of poor planning

167poor management and we're seeing that in some districts in this not some several districts many districts within within the state within the country uh we're not trying to be one of them but actions and inactions occur and and we may find ourselves into that but we're not going to do it without planning and understanding and I I I think this board has done a great job of maximizing every penny to its potential and they empower us as the administrative team to make sure that that money the chart I sh shared before we're using that money very strategically and we know we've been a low Revenue School District since the revenue frees in the mid 90s um there was some change in state aid formula that we were able to increase our Revenue limit but I

168I even said before you know what the school district or the communities were Rob I can I can provide the data El Brook's made has been given tens of millions of dollars out of their uh the revenue uh calculation from the state than we have over the last 20 years we sent a flyer out a couple two years ago that showed comparables and we're at the bottom and we're utilizing taxpayer bun its full potential so we don't want to keep asking unless we've educated we've planned and shown why this would be a reason we need to ask you down the road if that's a possibility uh you know person I think you I really appreciate the approach that you're taking too to do these studies and to to have data available um you know and

169you know you mentioned some of the school districts that maybe haven't been managing the resources well and um you I read through the wosa report as I as I mentioned and you know wosa five years ago put forward a referendum to expand their elementary schools and then this past year um said well wait a minute our elementary enrollments are going down so um they initially were talking about closing to of the elementary schools including the one across the street from my house um and uh so you're no longer a neighborhood School District right and and and then now they just passed another referendum to close the two middle schools um and and then just the the kind of the takeaway that I took from it is without this kind of data it can be really

170tricky to see like where is enroll going and um and and what does that look like for for the each of the different grade lears um I as we go forward I know there wasn't a lot of attachments to the this will be posted as well Steve to yeah I was going to add make sure it was obviously okay yeah I'll send it to you I whispered to Melissa we'll put both of these revised packet on website yeah so so everyone has it can watch it just a question on the on the chart so the breakdown on the right that's just a per cost per student for Education that's not all cost assimilated with the revenues that are on the left correct okay that's what it costs on average to educate a student for 180

171days in the jown school district okay so then the other cost would then be any type of operational and or or Deb service yep okay yep which where we're ahead a schedule on paying off referendum debt which we should be next two to three years be fully and just making intentionally so yes yes just making sure that that I understand the the revenue side how that works so the state sets a a per pupil cap on on your Revenue yeah there's a there's a formula formula and I could bring in DPI tonight and they could talk to us for five hours and we'd all go I don't know what that means okay okay um yeah we we have a plan in uh future not this next one but possibly late spring uh Britney's going to

172work with Mr Lo over here through finance committee to kind of do a um as an agenda item school funding 101 okay so that we can have that as a resource when people ask questions and refer them to this committee meeting to go through that I so we'll invite you st I would love we'll provide the caffeine on that one pop your popcorn I hate to say it but this is the kind of thing I do for fun so uh I would enjoy learning more about that yeah and again Fair isn't always equal everyone it's different based on your your local you know tax levy your mill rate and then your Revenue limit that was set by the state back in the mid90s you know and that's one of the complaints that I would have

173about the way the state handles Municipal Finance is that it was basically your your base was set at a point in the distant past and um there's variations between you know Westbend where Westbend is and where Germantown is and um and that gets built in so there there's you know there's not a lot of flexibility for the communities to to adjust either up or down it's kind of you're locked into where you were 15 years ago yep I think I think a real key point though is the school district is extremely limited and and really our way to to obtain more funding is a referenda question to the residents um whereas Village Finance is quite a bit more flexible uh pluses and minuses to those scenarios I think for for sure um but the realities

174of the situation think Mr B question do can you back up to the capacity chart yep so MacArthur here is within what C current yeah I mean we're we're at our 10e high and we're pretty close to our Target capacity using the information that was in last night's um Planning Commission packet your consultant listed the average number of school aged children per 100 units somewhere between 22 and 27 for apartments I think that's probably on the high end versus other estimates that we found or heard well let's just say worst case scenario we've got somewhere between 22 and 27 School AG kids per 100 units so over 300 units in the Village Center we're looking at 66 to 83 and if we can assume half of them are at elementary and the other half are

175at middle and high school that's going to be somewhere between 30 and 40 new kids headed towards MacArthur potentially worst case I would think so that would put us right at capacity and I guess my follow on question or statement that was statement follow on question is has there been a traffic study done for traffic that would be heading from Village Center North on Pilgrim another 40 cars in the morning trying to get their kid to school um well answer your second question first yes there was a traffic study that that was done um it didn't specifically address the the the question of you know kids people taking their kids to school but just a general traffic study was done um you know and this is where like I I think it's it's really great

176and it's really important that you all made the good decision to go ahead with that with with these studies because again as I went through the wossa example um you know what they didn't take into account when they were looking at things like you are like well we've got all these developments coming in and the population of wosa is growing at a faster rate than the population in Germantown it's growing about 4% per year um and if you drive around down there you see all kinds of apartment buildings going out um but they they overestimated the the number of of kids that were coming in from the apartment and they didn't take into account the declining birth rates of the of the of the Aging population that was there so there's there's pieces moving in

177multiple directions here and that's where I think you know getting somebody who's an expert at doing this like like Ro into to do that analysis is important is that traffic study something that's been done recently specific to 300 plus units being put on that corner yes yeah and I believe that's available on our website but I can also email you a copy of it that'd be great thank you because that's already a a zoo going to SCH in the morning is or in the afternoon yeah yeah yeah I mean in the middle of the day it can be it's just the fluctuation of traffic there and Roads and I will also say the state of Wisconsin is redoing that intersection I think in 2026 is it um and there will be they will be enhancing

178it and improving it so as separate from any of these conversations well if you let the state do it they're school buses school buses and roundabouts extended length veh really well can we get a diverging diamond while we're at it um I no absolutely I guess just looking at this the chart here we're already at or over our Target capacity so any kind of you know development is going to 100% affect our school district so knowing that moving forward it has to be addressed it can't just be we can look at this later because you know 10 students in Germantown High School were already over y I would share it on that point miss or Miss hiban is that the board uh with recommendation from an Administration two years ago we we put into place

179policy class size and we did that based on area Norms to try to keep the workflow for our staff not at something crazy so um if we do exceed the industry Norms when it comes to capacity that are outlined here we would probably have to look at policy to increase class size um because you can continue to to fit kids into a building it's just having 25 kids a day in your class to now 30 and then we're talking about quality and then yep of what what are we retaining for Workforce that's that's reflective too we talk about this on our board all the time reflecting the Community Values and I I know some people like to interpret my uh definition of that differently than what it clearly is but in that scenario in this

180scenario when I mean and I say that is the Community Values that's that's the parents expectations the student experience and our staff's experience at a manageable load and and we're committed to to keeping that respectful of those teachers because the better they are uh equipped to teach that correct load of student the better experience in educational process that student has so that's a sorry to piggyback on your point um more questions thoughts I guess for me our our next agenda item is going to be possible changes to our uh meeting schedule it and some of that's based on um before before we get to that yeah and as I say that I lose my thought unfortunately um go ahead sorry sorry I there was a good with the village adding extra meetings it's seems like

181you are you know gas pedal to the floor on the Village Center project what's the rush um once and and these are my words as recommendations to the board and the the board will ultimately have to make decisions on that but once the decision was made to move forward with this um there's cost to holding the properties there's you know there's there's costs to waiting so it's in the financial interest of the The Village to get rid of these properties and give give get them over to a developer you know as expeditiously as possible so U that's the the main reason for for trying to move things quickly I got back to my thought but thank you um so when we discussed the tid earlier the large portion of the conversation and I think we

182highlighted and you highlighted uh the current taxation that there stays with those municipalities that are taxing uh and that's that's good I think that's a misunderstanding from a lot of people um what we don't get and how that it's paid for right is is the the inflable tax whatever you want to call it that occurs as development occurs um maybe I'm not meaning inflation in this common sense but you understand what I'm saying um as we have students move into that tid right the one thing we don't don't realize then while we do still get our state aid we don't realize that funding Gap issue that would come via the revenues for the life of that tid whether it's 20 years 27 years so each kid in there is technically funded at a deficit compared

183to other kids and I don't mean we fund them at a deficit but we are at a loss of dollars to ensure that educational uh Equity across all students there so what you're saying you say each one is worth $9,500 what's that would you say each each student additional from that TI District would be $9,500 additional cost to you absolutely yeah yes and I point over there because that's my finance chair and my superintendent that's how it works so the the red is the state monies which by the way we're all state taxpayers also so it's not like we're getting dollars for nothing uh the federal dollars are ours also you know we're paying those dollar and what's in blue is for every additional student we get what's in blue will get spread across the

184entire School District um I liken it to the conversation we have around open enrollment so one way of school district and Chris and I have had many conversations this board has had many conversations on this open enrollment is a way commonly used in districts to to normalize uh enrollment levels unfortunately when you bring those open enrollment students in a portion of their dollars stay at their home district and you're doing that as a deficit which can actually be clearly a downward spiral if you overpopulate via open enrollment uh just as a simple kind of a comparison um when when we're discussing thefall to that that's so you get a you get a standardized cost from the state for an open enrollment in student not even talking about Open Enrollment out where you lose money um

185but to Russ's Point some districts use that to stabilize Staffing numbers and enrollments because they might be a declining District but then 3 four years of doing that they're going to an operational referendum to op so they can operate to continue to keep pay staff and and run their building so there's it's a balancing game and it's a decision that locally has to be made of are we using open enrollment to for a positive or for to make sure that we keep class size low um or stabilize our St there there's a there's a sometimes it's viewed as an ugly term I don't find it to be but it's right sizing a district which is what your school home school district is going through and we see West Ben having some very difficult conversations about

186um while going to referendums um in face of those conversations of needing to right size or potentially need to right size and they they know um and these are all those things that we're trying to head off and we don't want es and flows and we want a stable scenario um and one thing that could cause us to have to expand one moment depending on economy and in life could flip before that's finished being paid off to to your home school district scenario right they're still paying for those referendums but now they're closing those things add additional cost to close them which is infuriating as a taxpayer and thank you for bringing that L to it uh I I would be and I think everyone in this room in community would be so that that's

187really what the generous of this uh conversation is and and why the last nine 10 months I've been hammering this relationship and sometimes to Attention Point um but but really with that that thought process in mind well one of the as I get direction from the board I know that the board board is concerned about the impact on the schools and I think hearing what we've heard tonight there are some things that we can research and explore on on our end and and you know give give feedback to the board ways that we may be able to help you know um mitigate some of the impacts that you're talking I guess I guess on behalf of the board in the school district um and as someone who does a lot of work related to research

188and that term now in the world is used very lightly when people come forward and say well our research says show us the study yeah because to throw an arbitrary number out that it's only going to be six kids or 29 what's the study and what's the um lifespan of that study so that we have informed decisions or you can come to us and say this is this is accurate or we believe it's within uh statistical significance one way or the other because um that's that I guess that's our biggest concern that's why we vetted multiple vendors to think about who we're going to use to do these studies and the success we've seen in other districts with their municipalities as well sounds good I don't think I have too much more is anybody else

189we've talked L of you Tracy there's a lot of things I think I think that's the scen you know I'll ask this question because this this is always something that uh I kind of wonder about the thought process going in when you were reviewing the uh the tids that do exist I would say by far the majority of them when you explain the area the goal Etc and you see the boundaries make sense I think with this one where I'm kind of stuck is what was the reasoning behind how it was drawn obviously there's the the southeast Corner that is a lot of activity there but kind of why why do we go a little bit out there's got to be some reasoning there so why why do we go across north of Maan it

190just extends thewest Corner yeah yeah I mean because this this seems from a guy who is not involved with that on the surface the focus is on that Southeast Corner okay that makes perfect sense for what you've described as the village wanting to to take a little bit more control over what gets developed there like that whole logic that whole argument perfect sense but what's why the extra little space what's the reasoning behind that well I think two two factors um um one is kind of from a from an aesthetic Factor um that you know particularly when you talk about the the uh where the Associated Bank is uh uh across the street um you know that is also a critical Corner if you have one corner looking uh spruced up and and you know

191uh with all the accoutrements that that could potentially occur um you know over the next 20 years it it'd be nice if that if that the opposite corner could could have something along those lines as well um and I think that you can kind of extend that down mecan Road where uh that same thought process as there's there's a number of properties not all but a number of the properties that over the next 20 years could be redeveloped into something of higher value um and in terms of of contribution to to the Aesthetics of the community and then the second part of it is is financial that um because those were areas that as you look at them that over the life of the tid um could be redeveloped um that's not built into the

192estimates for the tid but when I talk about like belts and suspenders and risk mitigation by taking those areas that that over the life of the tid are you know have high high potential to be redeveloped that would add to the increment and shorten the time that it would take to to pay the tid down so um you know you can make counterarguments you can say well make it as small as possible take those spots out but that was a thought process that went into the boundaries that are that are proposed and I think You' said associate I think you met Chase Chase I'm sorry just clarification thank you for shows how long he's been here see look at that I thought that was a great question um is that a strategy unlik similar to

193adding Sterling Pharma to the the previous T we talked about um it's just preemptively doing it are you saying you're anticipating or potentially we could see an a need to extend the tid West at some point to Spur not development but I'd call it Redevelopment of the the the retail locations along that you'd have to go through the approval process again as a an amendment to that TI so right now you're looking for um aers is looking for ways to to help keep it uh cost within the performer as you know the best um performer as they break it down into to the years and the costs within it um if there would be a need to extend it let's say for whatever reason you wanted to include sendex then you'd have to reopen it

194up to you know the joint review board and go through that process of of why that is and go through the U but four uh process again and and it's usually um you're limited as the number of years you can do that uh and amend it and um that's why you usually want to try to set it within where you want it to be early rather than try to go through that that process again and again for each time and again it also shows um I think when you're looking at the life of a tid which is anywhere from 20 to 27 years and now in five years you're going to revise it that that shows you you know shortsightedness in regards to what what really was going to happen versus what you proposed was

195going to happen sure what are some of the other tools in your toolbox that you can use to do similar type of things where where uh and I'll use this as the example maybe it's not the best example but you'd mention that there there would be other development there it's not necessarily from the village boards perspective or Vision not really what they wanted um but is there are there other things to avoid having to go to a tid Tiff tid that might not apply to this particular situation but when other things pop up where it's like okay you know Dean you had mentioned you know right now you're not envisioning Blackstone to to include that but so what are the other things to help move that project forward in theory that you guys could go

196back and say well this is this is what we would like to do you know there's there we're like you municipalities are creatures of the state and we the only tools that we have are the toolbox are the tools that the state gives us and they are very limited in Wisconsin um you know we have some small things we we work with uh Bank 59 on on a on a small um and I know uh M higin bot the economic development commission is familiar with it we do up to $25,000 low interest interest loans um we work with economic development Washington County on some of the um larger loans that they have available through their yeah through their revolving Loan Fund um you know the we we have worked in the past um actually we

197worked with Wisconsin Economic Development Commission on uh the expansion of MSG uh uh in the the business park but most of those other like State and County programs are really much more geared towards um job creation in the manufacturing center uh sector um you know for this type of thing where we're talking more about um you know and as you looked at that list up there of you know mecwan cedarberg monomin Falls those places what they've really used the tid funding for are some of these you know amenities for the community um uh you know whether it's um you know trails and uh things like that that and to try to attract the things that that um that the residents want um you know I've heard my seven and a half years here every every

198Community well I shouldn't say most of the community community meetings I go to to I hear folks on we want more restaurants more places we can take a family to sit down and and and eat to attract those kinds of places is we really don't have many other tools besides this besides going on for bonding you know or borrowing um if if other businesses in other areas of the village want to expand or or or develop you know we do have the ability for industrial revenue bonds where they get our percentage of interest for what we get for bonding and you know we High we have the highest rating there is an advantage to to a business and we've extended those not so much lately but uh in the past um to to several uh

199companies that have been within uh uh the uh Industrial Park uh which is up towards you know the freeway over by um quick trip or down towards the uh um The Business Park which is you know off of mecwan and and the 145 area and and they've taken advantage of that the tip Tiff nine for um for the uh the chemical company is uh was put together with economic development of Washington County to help to try to expand their their incubators that they have there for for you know combining compounds and the the the uh the push was to that company was thinking of putting in a couple other areas and they all play that game and we all know it but they're a very strong um taxpayer here they're a very strong manufacturer and

200uh and employer with indiv Village so we we thought it was a good opportunity to extend it across the street it right now it's it sits and it's up to a certain point where it may be just pulled back because we haven't seen anything that has happened beyond that we we keep asking the question and they keep saying they're going through their their due diligence but if after so long that it nothing happens then we just pull it back and and it goes back to the way it was before it will go also back to the life of what it was before those that increment and we're hoping that doesn't happen but it there is that possibility yeah what I guess what you by pull it back you mean shrink it back to its initial

201it was but again that would go back to the Joint review board and it would be an amendment to the tip sure but if it's not going to be of use why yeah if they're not going to go forward with using it okay we change that boundary back to the way it was before and it it was probably one of the more creative ways that we come up with uh for you using those type of funding and borrowing for the Department of Public Works building in fact it was Innovative enough that we uh Steve was asked to come and speak on it at um at a conference that was held up in D yeah uh because other communities haven't used that process before to help cover some of their costs so they wanted to learn

202about it and what it's how it worked and how we were able to put it together any other questions or discussion Mr Barney well by the time we meet in April as a board this project could be I don't know almost in the books so to speak could have joint review board maybe even you know village board approval back to Joint review board for whatever approval they have to do um all be before we've seen the results from the MD raer report um based on that I'm going to propose that this board makes a statement requesting that the village slow down or pause until we have that data and we can articul respond with hey here's going to be the net impact on the school district and along those lines and based on the agenda

203item I have a resolution prepared that we can discuss review maybe adopt I think there's copies right there's enough copies for everybody okay when is your April meeting our currently it's proposed for it's been approved for April 28th not that we can't run another meeting like this and call at any time but that's what's for the approved you got yeah so just for the record and for the audience here I'll I'll read what was just handed out uh resolution of the Germantown School District school Wisconsin school district whereas the Germantown School Board is committed to to a strong working relationship with the village of Germantown to assist both in strategic planning to achieve the best positive outcomes for Village residents and the students of the Germantown school school district and whereas the school board has

204commissioned an enrollment study scheduled for completion in April 2025 and whereas the school district is nearing the completion of a facility you study to better understand the capacity and condition of current facilities and whereas these studies will be used to guide the district's strategic planning process and to provide factual data to Our Community Partners such as the village of Germantown for use in their planning processes and whereas single family homes contribute to the stability of a school district's enrollment and whereas The Village has seen an increase in residential developmental proposals anchored in high density rental based units and whereas several residents of the village have expressed concerns regarding the construction of additional high density rental units within the village of Germantown and whereas some residents of the village have expressed positive feedback of portions of

205the commercial and Community Gathering spaces of the potential project but have not been presented with the potential totality of the effects that continued high density develop developments may have on the residents and whereas the current level and location of the village Villages current inventory of high density rental units cause a high level of financial strain on the school district and whereas the proposed Village Center project will impact the same areas currently impacted by the majority of the village rental units and whereas the introduction of hundreds of new apartments represent a significant step towards transforming the village of Germantown into a community akin to metro Milwaukee communities and whereas presentations about several high density rental based units to the village board Planning Commission and Community related to The Village Center project have consistently misrepresented the school

206district's position on this development now therefore be it resol resolved that the Germantown School District respectfully requests that the village of Germantown not take any action to approve or permit any advancement of the Village Center project or otherwise allow the project to move forward until such time as the school ger excuse me Germantown school districts enrollment and facility Studies have been completed and the district has had sufficient time to thoroughly analyze the studies and to understand the potential impact continued high density residential developments may have on the district and its educational Community including but not limited to the district's infrastructure and finances so there you have it so this isn't an ask to stop the project it's an ask to slow down so this data can be inut into the it's a request to essentially

207pause it right now until we get all of our reports back and then can articulate the impact of those to the Village so that they they fully understand what their actions mean as an impact to the school district um before we go into discussion on this I'll enter guess I'll have to entertain a motion to get to it um so I'll entertain a motion in regards to so mov Mr Lo with the motion Miss higen batham with the second any discussion there's 's a lot of items and trying to not to extend the uh board meeting you know well to the midnight hour but um you know there's a lot of history to a tids or tiffs and I had to learn about them when I first was elected to the school board as I'm

208sure Tom Barney did also and it it turns out that tids or tips were first started in C California and of course California is the place where all bad things occur and then they tend to migrate East you can see what kind of shape California is in right now uh but tibs were meant for blighted property not for Greenfield construction so and I I think purchasing the Ascension building is is yet another category that we haven't seen before where now the intention is to tear the building down to build something else there so that's not only it's not gled it's not green field but it's something else completely different which strikes me as being odd now I I guess we could consider the flower Source property bladed um it's not being taken care of that

209I know of although it's not really an eyesore either I drive by it quite often and glance over over there now and then and wish I could buy wood chips there but you know that's that's no more right it's not it's not that way anymore so uh it was pointed out to me as I was walking out on the break a citizen looked it up and that uh flower Source property is 15 Acres it's not 40 something it's 15 15 acres and you know I thought we had established the property size in Germany town with the kinderberg property there were there was 14.6 Acres there and we were able to uh sell it to a developer to build 16 single family homes on it now where I'm going with that is no one moves to

210the suburbs for high density housing everyone moves to the suburbs for single family homes with large lots and good schools and I can say for myself that's why uh my wife and I moved our family here good schools in a large large lot so this high density housing that's being proposed all over Germantown just doesn't match what citizens want you know it's just doesn't match the other part is the school district in the past has approved some tids and has rejected others but the the tid always gets ped and but the tids have always been industrial or commercial so it's a place where you know if you go industrial or commercial on a tid our own residents could possibly get jobs there and I don't think anybody's going to argue with that uh we might

211have people coming from elsewhere to work in in those industrial parks they might spend money you know local business you know on their way to work or way home from work but you know if somebody moves to germ town because of an industrial tid that's great they've either purchased a single family home hopefully or they're building a single family home but the tidt itself is not generating high density housing with several hundred homes or residences so an industrial tid much more acceptable even if it's in a Greenfield property to the school district I would say than a tid that is its purpose is to put in you know high density housing and that that slide uh with the uh the pipe chart with the uh the big blue spot on there that's the Germantown taxpayers

212you know that's money coming out out of our pockets and it's one of the reasons why when you look at your tax bill the German Town School schol portion is much bigger than the ger the village of germon portion because we've got a lot of Labor we've got a lot of teachers that we hired to teach all the students we have now that blue portion isn't going to get smaller uh with someone with a high density housing going in place you know it's not how it works so I don't know why we're proposing high density housing um maybe maybe the flower Source isn't the right spot for single family homes you I kind of think maybe it's not just where it sits but when I see a 15 acre property I'm looking at that and

213saying 16 single family homes just like kinderberg the kinderberg development you know it's the sore is there and note that the kinderberg development was not a tid you know the SE is right there out in the road in front of the subdivision the developer had to run the sewer and water and power into that 15 Acres but it wasn't that expensive and they included the cost in the cost of the lots and the school district while we don't exist just to collect taxes but the school district has been collecting taxes on those 16 homes from day one we don't have to wait 25 or 30 years to collect those taxes that's what's going on here so I don't know I think I've covered all the bases you know industrial versus industrial commercial versus residential go

214go I want a Different Twist on your point when the school district had land at kinderberg the most we could get on the roughly 15 Acres with 16 homes now that the village has their own 15 Acres they want to put 300 units on it right so the the 16 homes made the property worth quite a bit less than we originally were asking for it and it's not that we're a bunch of idiots in the on the school board you know we we we own that property for a certain length of time it was of no use to the community whatsoever um we checked once believe believe it or not to we we wanted to do something with it we we checked to see if we could put a dog park on it but it

215would have cost $250,000 to clean it up the next fear I had was with the noxious weeds and trees growing on it I was expecting the village of Germantown to come after us and clean it up anyway so we really had to sell it and I'm thankful that 16 people 16 families purchased homes I don't know how many students are in those 16 homes but I hope there's a number of students there and I hope they are getting a good education in our school system so uh when offers came in well I'll buy the property for $150,000 that wasn't the intent of the sale in the first place you know we had a number of citizens pull that on that stunt on the board which I don't think any board member at the time appre

216including myself the intent was to sell it so that it could become productive to the community which I think is the same thing you are trying to do with the former flower Source property the question is is what's the right what's the right thing to do with it I mean you know for myself an oil change place next to a bank or a gas station doesn't seem that bad I don't know if it's not a restaurant but it doesn't seem that bad to me and anything else uh commercial in the front row and maybe put the single family homes behind I don't know we kind of got off the track the motion on the table is I think I think he's just discussing scenarios that play that might form his decision I which way to

217vote on this and I appreciate those and I'm I'm going to take that same Avenue actually I'm not off track at all the citizens don't know this stuff you know when it comes to taxes you put in high density housing the school district portion of the taxes are going to pay for the infrastructure for the next 25 years that means every student we get out of that development is paid for by the rest of the taxpayers in the school district and and there's one more thing that I just thought of when it comes to a proving one of these tids the school district gets one vote the village board is one vote the county is one vote I believe MATC is one vote I think that covers all the votes at large person at large

218person okay and a person at large so the group that has the most funds to lose is the same group that gets one vote like everybody else you know it it it's not fair the deck is stacked against the school district in one of these tids so that's why you know Industrial and Commercial sometimes we've gone for it sometimes we haven't and but this this this is a new level of tid now that I I simply cannot accept so I know that's not what we're voting on but it's part of the discussion for the big picture of what a tid is I age with and why taxpayers should be concerned I I agree with you um I think part of part of this project on the vill standpoint I think they'd argue is to to

219Spur uh growth within in in the community whether it's employee growth or employer growth um commercial growth or residential growth right um I consider ourselves a pretty good employer uh we employ many Chris I don't people I don't know how many other businesses in this community employ 580 is people but I feel like that's a substantial number um and if we're affecting the way we can compensate them for the work they're doing to enrich our community uh that is a very large concern and I know this board takes hits on their approach to some of those things I think we've worked very hard on that and continue to but this is a scenario where when we're trying to to build that right and build out employers and healthy community as all an aspect of it

220we're a very large portion of that process um and I think that goes under discussed and I think of that when I think of some of this cause and effect that we're weighing um I I don't think uh asking this isn't an ask to stop this isn't shouldn't say stop this isn't an ask to terminate this is an ask of you you've mentioned and and we've really implored how much we think these are going to benefit it and I think you agree that this will help with these decisions let's wait until we get these studies back if MD roers comes back and says to your point there's declining population there's declining enrollment your projections 40 years out are X Y and Z the answer might be very much we need some development the realities is

221are this community is going to develop we have nothing but land uh and that makes it a desirable Community um housing markets and all of that that play into it uh I fully respect the Village has um some complicated needs with this that they need development to increase funding right and and projectional funding down the road that's why they're going to a ref or went to a referendum for for safety right you needed that in the budget in order to pay for those police officers that are are chasing how many highspeed chases I don't know that I hear but Highway 4145 is significant in my time in 20 years in law enforcement this community I can see is more and more impacted and I I'm thankful that the community voted in favor of that that

222that referendum um but the reality is you stay out of more asks like that by spurring more development uh unfortunately that could then cause us to ask the question and and we know you just asked it and it shouldn't be a tag team you ask we ask you ask we ask that's the last thing we want I think we can agree to that um so to to ask for this to just slow down now we can say sit here and say this isn't indefinitely a tid yet uh the emails that I got and the asks of of our participation on a joint review board and the developmental plans that have come forward I mean I know the difference between rain and something else and it's we're in that category of playing the I don't know

223if it's going to be that yet and and that's I think a reasonable cause for concern around um the Blackstone development if we're going to approach that the same way don't expect anyone in this community to respond differently or assume differently um so in in regards to this ask it it's simply as that let's wait for the data right let us give that to you and and if it comes back and says to quote somebody build baby build right maybe that's what it says but I don't know and I dislike having a conjecture based conversation around it and I don't think it's good for anybody to make high level impact decisions to that regard um I can't see that this harms if we're talking about what this the development is 20 years 27 years the

224long-term vision for the village is two months to to dissect it have the information back dissect it and understand it in reality is that an awful thing to ask I I can't see it I know you have some Financial Obligations but you've also explained uh one of the tenants of that property is paying upwards of $400,000 a monthly rent or is it monthly I don't yearly sorry yearly rent um I don't know what that covers in that but we're not asking for a year we're just asking let us get this data back and give that to you and Supply that to you and to this community and to this board to help drive further conversation in decision making if I can I guess first just ask one question um do you do you have a

225timeline for when that information is going to get back and um what you how long this pause would be the goal from uh Monday night will be the P JP Cullen presentation so that information will come out um the raer study it's all dependent upon all the moving parts and everyone we have to talk to um originally the timeline was by the conclusion of April but again if data or accurate data isn't shared it's going to delay okay but I can keep you informed on where we're ads with them um and then if I could just explain a little bit about the process that we that we have started and some of the uh some of the areas where there's flexibility and some some of the areas where there there's liit ations um and I

226don't have all of the dates so I apologize if I if I uh uh get a get a date wrong slightly wrong uh U but there is an organizational meeting of the joint review board scheduled for March 31st um and then there is a a public hearing uh for the uh uh the creation of tax increment district 10 before the plan commission that is scheduled for um April 10th um and one of the things that the um and these the timelines are specified in State Statute there's minimums there's minimum separation between meetings and then there's maximums in state statutes is that Thursday April 10th or did you mean April 7th uh oh I'm sorry April 14th I had hard March up here so April 14th is the the plan commission uh meeting and and that

227is that that has been scheduled it'll be published we had to get the notice out to the newspapers in advance 30 days in advance so that's why that's already been scheduled and out there um when the joint review board meet meets on March 31st they will schedule their next meeting um and and that's that'll be that's one of the items on the agenda for the joint review board meeting and there will be a range that the joint review board can select and it has to be um a minimum days from the first meeting and then it has to be there's a and I don't recall what it is off the top of my head but there is a a maximum amount of time they can wait until after the uh um the pl commission and

228the village board uh meet to consider this so there is some flexibility in that and I think um it flexibility can extend to the end of April um there there may not be flexibility um under the statutes you know beyond much beyond that something and can I can I I I I think we understand what you're saying what triggers the March 31st date what is it action that may occur on the board meeting on the 17th of this month the 31st is just a motion for alers to go forward yeah that that is just the March 31st is just the organizational meeting okay so there's no statutory requirement that that meeting has to take place it has to take place no no no I'm not saying for the I'm saying okay you're explaining a set

229of timelines that get kicked off what action is your is is the village board taking that starts that clock ticking and when is that being taken that action took place February on February 17th H how what action was taken on February 17th they to go forward you you approve the purchase and for the for the discovery of the Tiff to go forwarders to start the process so you're saying statut the clock is ticking yes okay so so and with all due respect then and back to the Rainer something else when we sit here and discuss that this isn't foreseeably a tid right but you're telling me on the 17th of last month you've pushed that forward it has a made it a k it basically goes into a discovery and and approval with the first

230meeting which is the first tid meeting Mar 31st which the the uh taxing districts decide either it goes beyond that or it does not so in your semantical discussion or argument there right I I would call it it's semantical right what you're saying is eloquently I'll call it that we're the village is pushing forward that process for a tid all while that discussion was playing out over the last couple month no the village is pushing forward the process of starting the process of discovery of a tid it's not saying that we are in favor of it because there hasn't been a public hearing or a village board resolution to approve the tid it basically has said based on the information that we have received on this development we're asking aers to start the process which

231would be the first meeting but it doesn't mean it's going to go through because it still needs public hearing and village board approval just starts the process as part of the discovery that we've already had uh on the information presented the village board said this sounds interesting let's pursue the process of discovery and start the process of tid and it can stop on March 31st if the taxing districts say no but you have to initiate the process in order to go through the rest of the discovery given The Village's high level of confidence and I would think it would be a high level of confidence considering I haven't seen a t come forward that more than one of us has voted no against hold on this isn't normal this is not a normal kid you've

232said it over and over again this States it loudly and clearly of How It's not um so you can't base that off of previous tids at all because it's different what I'm using that for is to right set in stone our concerns because all we can go off of is past actions and I'll anchor in that again what we're being told is the motion or the statutory requirements were set in motion starting last month on the 17th is that correct okay so you may have locked yourself into that not a decision on whether the not a decision whether to go forward or not but a decision that requires The Joint review board to meet and to take the next step for as it has on any others that we've gone through similar process yes okay

233contined discussion for my fellow board members if there are items here that you're not comfortable with maybe you think they go too far you'd rather not have here I have no issues with items being struck from here there any if it makes you more comfortable are there any concerns I would in maybe in that there is anyone concerned with any of these potentially being inaccurate uh given the information we have at this time possibly the several residents of the village have expressed concerns are yearing the construction of additional high density rental units and I say possibly just because I'm not sure that a school board should weigh in on that matter that's that's a village matter for the voters um I think that's a statement reflecting what we've seen presented um during public comment you

234can't necessarily validate that we heard it when we're talking well I know but when we're talking about you know studies and we're asking when you bring a study forward to have something to back it up you don't necessarily have concrete data that says this because you we're just hearing from citizens obviously that want to I'm not saying I disagree I feel the same way but that's a feeling that's not based on fact so unless you can like back it up with uh some sort of study some sort of you understand what I'm saying it's just saying that they express concerns I can show you the last two Village meetings that show that may be true the point is that that's handled at the Village level a Schoolboard meeting isn't for the villagers to come and

235rehash something out which this isn't rehashing this is just us noting that citizens have been observed making public comment that they are concerned with this question high density rental units I yeah the concern to the school board with the residential he density units we have covered with with the financing I think that's covered in point after this also I just don't want to turn into the school board taking on village board responsibilities that way I mean we're here representing Richfield Colgate Jackson bulk other communities too so yeah um we need a motion to strike I would say strike that one we would but I would say let's well I mean Contin there's others yeah I'm not saying the motion now I'm just saying the process would be okay then if we're saying that are we

236removing the some residents uh have expressed positive feedback in portions of the commercial and Community Gathering spaces and potential projects but have not been presented with the potential totality of the effects the very next paragraph would that not be the same scenario yeah even though where our ask is that we want that opportunity to present what we think could affect that it's not necessarily pertinent to the school district and what our concerns are okay see and the difference with that one is you say with the potential totality of effects totality of effects Effects School enrollment so I I'm not disagreeing I'm just calling out if that one is that one I would agree it's grounded back into that one is what we deal with so I'm okay living that one in I and I think

237under those I would agree on that same I just want to yep make sure we're not just skipping over what conversations for yep gentlemen so before we get too much further I I would say ask for a motion to strike those to make an amendment to the draft resolution to strike those two item so we can talk more about keep going down the list okay we're limited to the number of amendments I believe that's I think we're lied two so I would just say raise any concerns you have with these we'll pull them into a motion for further consideration and then go from there I'm fine with pulling those two into an amendment I would throw out the last paragraph on the first page as well the introduction of hundreds of new apartments represents a

238significant step towards transforming the ger of germant toown into Community akin to metro Milwaukee communities I'll agree with that all right so we can follow sort of process here I'll make a motion no hold are there any other concerns before we get there and don't if you lump them into the same we're going to have to vote on them in totality and we may want one and not the other so we should review them separately are there any other concerns before we get there I guess the first one on the back page yeah I don't know what that is pertinent to like pertinent to rinka statement yeah statements I would last night and previous months that have misrepresented conversations that President eward and Dr Ryder have had with and that's that is yeah and I

239would say that that's the presentations that were presented were presented on behalf and with the village board but uh Bailey Copeland of Bailey Copeland and Rinko were the ones presenting that information uh rinka was the one that actually came forward with some of those statements um in that portion of the presentation but the totality of the presentation was presented as a whole from those three entities and both of those entities represent as contract workers for the village so they're representing the village interest when making those statements to affirm uh securing approval of this project any other concerns um my understanding is we're looking at three then um whereas several residents of the village have expressed where some residents of the village have expressed positive and where introduction of hundred of new apartments uh represent a

240significant step those are the three we would like to consider um I make a motion to strike those three from the resolution I'll second all right Mr bar with a motion uh Mr Brown with the second amend Technic am Amendment Amendment to the original motion discussion my and I'm just going to go off my initial is I think I'm an agre with the Striking of the several residents of the village have Express concerns although I do agree with that statement I can I I it can fall in line with the logic Mr Brown's using um and where as introduction of the housing um um I think that's part of this conversation maybe we don't have all that yet um I do not agree with striking the whereas some residents given it it's anchored in we

241are trying to give that to provide that totality of understanding so with a motion to strike all three I don't know where we can go from there obviously it's for further discussion for the rest of it but my opinions yeah I I based off of how the amendment was presented I'm going to be voting for the amendment to strike those um I have individual thoughts on each one but with what we're presented with with what's on the table that's where I'm going to still go I I think it still gets across the point that we're trying to express okay even without those three and I I think the overarching point to really simplify it is there's a symbiotic relationship between the village and the school district you got a feeling School District you're not going

242to attract people here you can build whatever you want okay get a strong School District it becomes a destination so the fact that this March 31st deadline is coming up and we feel kind of powerless there I can't of go that that's unfortunate hopefully in the future we can all be on the same page a little bit more and I see you going I don't see what the big deal about the Mar first deadline is is that why you were kind of making I was just thinking it U it it's not a maker breaker it basically says to aers proceed and it's the first um if you look at the the U the format of a joint review board how it's formed and what its Duties are that first meeting is just a a a

243a gathering of that joint riew board to say to the community this is the board that's going to be reviewing it going forward and and I agree I get that the fact that we're all just going we didn't really know about that I heard several times in your presentation tonight that you guys say this is market driv and and it is but that's Market driven from the growth of the village and maybe not in the school district's best interest so I'm just saying going forward that's why this this motion is being thrown out so I I hope we're all in agreement with that moving forward Mr love um as far as the initial meeting in February necessitating this March 31 meeting couldn't we just let the March 31st meeting go and do another initial meeting

244similar to what you did in February just just have another starting date and then it just pushes it back we can't push the March 31st he's not he's not asking to push it back he's asking to let it expire and then re approach it have to talk to the attorney yeah we have to talk to the attorney because we have issued a public notice for a March for U I'm sorry an April 14th um public hearing public hearing and by Statute The Joint review board has to have their organizational meeting no no less than 14 days before is the public notific the public notification isn't legally retractable meaning issuing a secondary public and I get that it's messy I'm not what you can uh you can say at the meeting that uh it was scheduled

245for tonight if anybody is here for that purpose to talk you're welcome to do so you know um and bring them forward because they took the time based on what they saw as as that notice and then you could say B based on whatever reason the board could vote to say well we're really going to have that that public hearing and that vote for the village board on on the uh possible Tiff uh on another another date so it be 14th first 20 14 be second me so then it would be in in May there are a lot of moving parts and I guess so iess I guess this if this if this ass moves forward you do have a mechanism to to push the final decision down the road for this information to come

246in we have something to present to the board as a mechanism yes well that's what I'm saying yes I'm not saying it's guaranteed I'm just saying there is a possibility I just want to make sure there's uh I'll ring this back in I guess because it's the the motion on the tables in regards to these three any further discussion on them um this is motion to amend the motion to amend removal of the F the stated um three paragraphs from the initial present presentation of the resolution yeah paragraph 78 and 11 11 S8 and um uh in that scenario I will there's no further discussion all in favor for removal all any objections hearing none those so are removed and we return to the original motion with the removals of 7 8 and 11 any

247further disc discussion hearing none I'll call for a roll call vote he yes Brown yes bar yes L yes PA yes Tak bam yes that you pass so thank you there's no objections no objection uh one absent absent hey that passes uh there's some proceed we have to looks like we're going to have to sign the back of this and present it this says redrafting we to clean the document but then you it'll be signed we have um if there's no further discussion under new business a we'll move on to new business B discussion and possible action to amend the 2425 Board of Education meeting schedule um and that's myself and Dr reuer I think we've discussed throughout the night um largely driven by our commitment to work in partnership with the Village um and

248around some of the deadline uh information that we've been provided potential meetings um I don't know if we have the totality of what we need to make the decisions of what to move and when to move them to my rough notes are showing um a conflict of the 47 Planning Commission meeting for the village board on Monday which I'm to attend and the 47 committee meetings that our board holds I I would just state for especially since there's misinformation on social media um the board per policy is to approve your board meetings committee meetings we do as a courtesy of they may fall and if you read at the actual schedule that uh was approved in the packet tonight back in April I believe of last last year um committee meetings we give as a

249courtesy of tentative dates committee meetings can be held at any time um just like we can hold a board meeting but these are the scheduled monthly board meetings so if there's a need not to run committees that night because members of this board want to attend a village meeting we would just move our committee nights there's not a need for board action on that um we've in the in in this scenario we've held committees and we've been able to get over to that I know we have some absentees from board members coming up that may require me to sit in per policy and then we would just work um with committee chairs and committee members I guess I would just ask if we're going to do that and move those we'd give advanced notice similar

250to what we did for tonight's meeting as it was not regularly scheduled instead of posting it on Friday we posted it on at least a week in advance y yeah so we'll we'll monitor that the other one that I had of note is um the Planning Commission potential Planning Commission meeting 428 is that um I believe that was an email and then we have a full board meeting that on 428 which actually seems late in the month it's because of I believe we Easter falls or something oh uh spring break Easter yeah it got moved instead of the second it's or third it's okay so we may have to look at moving that I think we have time between now and our full board meeting to look at that further um this is an action

251item here I don't know if we need to make action on it possible action possible action so discussion Poss we don't at this time unless i' recommend maybe put this same item on for Monday for Monday yep in case any new information comes forward absolutely and we'll put it the same as discussion possible op I think it's important to and what Chris was or Dr Ritter was saying uh why do we move some of these things around uh it's not to it's with the intent to keep the the the business of the district moving fluidly and sometimes matters come up and require us to move them um and without impeding or cancelling a whole month of meetings or a block of meetings and if we don't have those committee meetings there's not much to do

252at a full board meeting and to have them all on the same night we'd probably have to start at about noon um and then not have much time to digest that information before making full board action um so we move these around um I can understand um some community members frustrations with that but we are posting within full accordance of statutes uh we we understand that and and we'll continue to communicate out via any method we can uh if these move in the future but largely some of these are driven by our our willingness and want to partner with the village and ensure this communication continues um so we're not looking for any action on that and we publish our meetings yeah so we record out there I think that is is is a huge

253um highlight and thank you for bringing that up every Comm committe meeting this board has as long as it's not a closed session is not only broadcast live on our YouTube channel but it's it's uh recorded there published there uh in perpetuity and for points of referencing citizens we talked about this please go back and look at it uh the the the 101 School finance that we may have coming up that's exactly what that's intended for um and that is an act of this board and it is not an act of many boards School District or otherwise um that is not a regular practice so I or even publishing a packet yeah um and that's not I'm not we're discussing other school districts that we get thrown in with unless there's other school districts that

254run committee meetings at the same time so you can't attend both yes exactly um and that's an intent and a commitment and mean that means these board members are here instead of for their one or two committee meetings they're here for three or four for to get all that information and we appreciate that so uh with that if there's no discussion on that I'll add to that saying also that uh committee meetings unlike board meetings are not open to public comment so correct if we do change them around it's not like the Public's not getting heard that and thank you for bringing that up one reason why this wasn't run under um buildings and grounds committee is we couldn't allow public comment so that's what the need one of the needs to uh insert it

255as a full board can I make a special interjection based on the comment and the resolution uh if you look at the board packet the village board packet from February 17th their motion was only to direct the staff to close on the three Parcels it did not say and open the tid process okay I just your legal we you can share that with us sorry just wanted to be consistent with what um if there's no further discussion on this action I will take uh one more second Mr Barney with the motion Mr poock with the second all in favor I any uh opposed hearing none we are adjourned at 9:44 p.m. thank you for coming and listening good luck hopefully you're still awake