2 26 2025 Board Meeting work session Meeting Recording

001February 26 2025 at this time please stand for a moment silent reflection thank you please join the board with pledge pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all so this morning we have a work session with possible action on property discussion Personnel budget um some of these things we will need to go in um and hopefully have short discussions on in executive session but at this time property discussion for first one uh well the first one we've kind of talked about this of and on um and I mentioned the last board meeting that that I was approached by a gentleman at the the good news conference at the at the convention center about

002what the board's plans were for some of our properties that'll be abandoned at certain point now I know there's some legislative action out there there's a lot of stuff out in the legislature right now which some of it may come to fruition and probably most most of it won't but we're going to have two particular piece of property when we complete the pre8 Su academic complex that we need to start thinking about and and making decisions on because all these things you know we're looking at at a little over two years possibly having that complex finished and we've got the The Hanger at uh at that site we've got GLA Creek Elementary School and we got Sun Elementary School that we're have to make some decisions on now I realize the board does not have

003to make any decisions on any of that stuff they can just sit on that property and not do anything with it or they can make plans to do something with it whether it's to sell it auction it give it away whatever the options we may have legally to do but I just want to kind of open that up for discussion among the board members as to what their thoughts are and and we can just start let's start with the hanger and and the building that I know Mr Prime made a little comment about at the last board meeting about what possible things we can consider using that property for and and what we actually want to do with it well I know uh I had some thoughts on that house and maybe this is crazy

004but um you know there's different it could be like a maintenance type place you know head office headquarters uh you could take it and make it a superintendent's quarters you know because the housing so hard to find also um I don't know if anybody'd be interested but you could also use it as a daycare facility for all your staff at that location and you think about it you're gonna have um K8 a lot of those teachers have kids and U it could be used for something like that but that's just just some ideas I had so you recommend we hang on to it the house at least right oh yeah it's on our property I don't think we'd want to you already own it yeah I don't think I mean you don't want to dismantled

005or I don't think so now I wouldn't dismantle it I mean it's too if it was falling down it'd be different I think we should make it into something it's in pretty good shape then Chris the original plan for that um site uh was for it to be used as a daycare in conjunction with the career center as their early childhood development program I didn't know that that was the original um when there were supposed to be a high school there which it would be unfeasible still but that was the original plan for that site was to be a daycare so that the career center students could use it for early childhood development stuff and even if the career center wasn't involved you know you might be able to you know I I know legally

006we'd have to look into it but open up somebody could open up a daycare there maybe lease the building to them at a reasonable price but it would give your employees you know and they'd be right there it'd be so um you about the house or the hanger or both the house I think the hanger could be used for storage there was a talk about renting it to scans scare one of minut I don't know if you remember that discussion but there was some issue with us renting that to somebody that we wasn't allowed to rent it and make money or something um well we're not supposed to be doing anything you know like for a profit like as a business but I know we rent we've run things to other okay well like the

007vaage shelter we had so yeah I'm not if it's not like for a another government or a nonprofit I'm not sure about running that out if we're really allowed to do that we have a look into it well know Chris you mentioned I think you mentioned I don't mean to put words in in your mouth but about using it for a transportation department and and how stationing the buses there what you're talking about doing it that have to be some land work done to do that wouldn't it um not a lot you would just have to make a parking lot it's pretty flat um that ground's you get up there yeah yeah the back when they get that Top Road in it's going to be pretty flat and maybe it's a small down soap from

008the secondary Road well we talked about the fact that you know that that the town is going to be doing something with therea near the high school with their visitor Center and all that kind of stuff and it would be probably really helpful to them if we got our bus garage out of that area CLE clear that up it would and you know especially in the summer and stuff there's just not enough parking at the high school um and so that could be a parking area as well for them well and that that K8 school is going to it's going to be about a third of our student population correct yeah roughly so 1500 it' be 1300 kids you know ideally it'd be nice to have everything right you know in one location maintenance and

009but I just didn't know if there's enough space up there to hanger in that house to do that or not yeah there's enough properties for sure yeah I mean it's very open behind there if you look behind there all that can be used that's that's a that's pretty centrally located yeah for our County too as far as having all the buses in that one location right and since we already owned the property and Chris said we really shouldn't lease it to anybody so I mean it seems like a pretty reasonable thing to consider yeah we don't have a very good place for maintenance um the bottom of re is not it's hard to get stuff in there hard to get stuff out like I said last time it's hard to get trucks on this hill

010it really is especially in the winning so that would improve food deliveries and stuff too I I imagine it would make sense to move that even if we just moved our cooler up there move that up there well isn't that where most uh start the the earliest time in the evening at the K through a so we'd have a yeah they would be leaving Summersville Elementary first yeah um if they were up there yeah that whole busting thing is still got to be figured out it's going to be a lot different because of the high school right now the high school and middle releases kind of 10 minutes apart and they get there so to get that figured out um it's going to take a little bit of Dos but yeah and that's the whole

011thing I mean we're saying two years down the road but I'm telling you that time's GNA Fly Fast that that needs to be worked on now were you talking about though what kind of investment are we talking about to build a busing maintenance I know you got buildings up there but that's no you're going to have to have a bus to drive through and yeah so I and will FEMA money be allowed for that should be it's on the project right would be allowed and um it just depends on how big so we probably need to we probably I think Terence right you probably need to start if if if that's what we think we're going to do you probably need to have the Architects give give us a plan of how that would look

012and what it would cost while we're making the decisions on the fields and everything else yeah worst part about it is have to do do they have to do all those studies no no because it's all in that contained area of disturbance line of disturbance so in line of disturbance makes it comes all the way out to the road and then it goes um halfway up if you look where a camera is it goes up and it goes all the way to the fence and then comes down and then it kind of dips down a little bit below the graveyard and then it goes right and all the way back up so I think all that is within the area that we've already had done that graveyard is it on our property that that our

013property surrounds but we do not own the graveyard and there's a RightWay to the graveyard that's what I was going to ask you it's in the middle property so the RightWay to that where is the RightWay the RightWay is right beside the Raider house it goes right up straight up the fence and you know where the secondary entrance is they right beside the road that goes in there you know the secondary entrance is going to be that is the right away there so they'll basically use our road to for an extent and then they just have right way up the hill straight to it I got you well if the board decides that's what they want to do then after we move the stuff out of that those buildings from the the elementary school from

014Cherry River and all this other stuff then we could start you know moving some stuff out of that Rea old Rea building up in there and getting it getting organized yes so I mean because that again with limited people we have to do these kind of things you know we have to just pick and choose when we can do some of those things we decide when we figure out waiting on an answer I'm pretty sure from our call the other day about the furniture for Cherry river right I mean if if zmm comes back and says we're getting all new F dri for Cherry River that's all that's in the hanger that stuff right now as furniture for that school we can start doing an auction there sell that stuff out of there yeah and

015then people come get instead of us having to move it somewhere else to sell it I mean just do it there would you not plan on keeping any of that furniture I mean we can see what's going to be provided and what's not we we could pick and choose I think because we gotu oh I agree well especially if it's if it's in good shape if it's I'm just saying we have three three buildings completely full of furniture up there so if you go to the new building that we built where The Landing Pad was then the hanger you can't walk through there because it's just tables and desks and well for example like teacher desks all right let's just say for arguments sake that feema says yes you can buy a new teacher desk

016but that's not going to be desk for all the AIDS that you got cuz you see these in these classrooms all the time there's three or four or two or three teachers desk in one classroom they're not going to give you two or three in every classroom they may give you one but they're not going to give you trth three pardon they should have desk the AIDS well they got them they're everywhere but I'm saying student desks and stuff is everywhere they're saying we're getting new student desk that's some things that clear out you know I mean because right now we are packed to the gills everywhere every building we have is just stuff PL full of stuff well um Jason me hopefully will get back to us he was GNA check with FEA to

017make sure because we don't I mean even if Z says yeah we we think that you gonna check well that we're not guessing and they kind of told us that they led us to believe that and then well they said yes actually I contacted Carly and I've got the text saying yes they're getting new stuff but then when you go when we've talked to SBA and EMD they say let's be sure we can go ahead and get that stuff and we can go ahead and ask for reimbursement and they can go they can even reimburse us but then later on down the line when FEMA comes in to audit the whole project when we're all done you know years later and can say well that wasn't allowed that wasn't allowed that wasn't allowed you us

018this much money right so we definitely don't want that yeah we were told about that right after the flood if Fe is still around be careful how you spend that tring up two weeks there won't be in I got laugh out of r on that one but I don't know the prop yeah I don't know the proper order and protocol and stuff but I think you should have the Architects give us a plan I think that's your next step oh I agree with you on the the bus garage yeah lay that out see how it look and what in in other words thinking that's what we're going to do but the first thing you got to do is is go ahead and initiate that but again I don't know how you do that we don't

019do it here or do it at the board or putting on the agenda but I would be in favor of that I think you need need to do that I think it's a good plan it doesn't have to be something elaborate just just a general idea yeah uh no it doesn't have to you know the actual buildings and put out for bid yet but a layout an architect's rendition of what it would look like and how you would use those existing buildings in it and stuff yeah I think I think that would be a smart surely will okay the Furnishings on't they I mean there won't be any doubt about that well it's the Cherry River they they will they will approve Richwood Middle School and they will approve Richwood High School because they were

020affected by the flood the question becomes does Cherry River Elementary get new furniture and they've been told they will but they're not sure and that's what they're trying to check for they weren't affected by the well here's here's the the thing if that's not the case then when you finish your prek complex they're going to furnish for some of middle school because they lost their school but they're going Ser Serv Elementary Lake Creek of course they are they're not going to put old stuff in there I don't think they're gonna do that right I think it'll be the same and I those things and also about the playground I mean same kind of we'll see hopefully we'll get an answer about t and and we were told last time how much those Furnishings are approximately

021going to cost I'm not going to say I don't remember if that was an executive session bids may go out so I don't want to say the amount but it was big yeah and am I am I thinking wrong but didn't weren't we told that playgrounds weren't covered we was told in the beginning that there would be no playground that's they're not covered keep all the equipment setting by the scans trailer Cherry rers cuz that's my understanding too the playground and it's like anything that's at Summersville Elementary that's that's usable move it and and we know our maintenance guys will have to do that and I know it's going to take time but at the same time uh they'll they'll probably have to start pulling a little bit of it and somebody will have to

022design it and and same way with Glade Creek um probably use some of that equipment I I haven't looked at either one and I'll say that from past experience that's a timec consuming and tedious process because that playground equipment gets inspected when it's done and if it's not done right it's it's it's hard to to the inch yeah it's it yeah it to the inch yeah and it's hard to get back right after it's pulled out um so that that's a timec consuming process you can't just go take a back and pull that stuff out yeah well I know they just had an agreement for the playground equipment at Richwood City Park and that company uh was going to do it for 30,000 and they said when I asked them I saidwell do you think

023that would be adequate for a grade school is is there enough room and is is it wouldn't it be appropriate they said yeah so we're probably looking at 30 $50,000 it looks like I've saw one side of about Lookout going for $155,000 I mean we need to get the name of the company that they talk to for the par okay as far as the the hanger in the building should does the board want us to put on an agenda item to um to to request that that zmm does a study or that something y all just want us to do outside of the of a regular agenda item but we can have Kelly can call Dave and see if he can check that out and give us an idea or do you want do you

024want it on the agenda to act on I don't think we well my opinion I don't think we need to act on it until like we get an idea of what it's yeah that's what I don't know I was asking protocol I think it needs to be done you how the protocol works I'm not I agree with that but I do think that when the board does decide what they want to do with that building and and property do we actually put that in in a vote item so that because 10 years from now none of us are going to be here and they're going to say how they decided they was going to do that you make that we have a record of I agree with you there The Architects but but they do

025earn their money when if you get into the big scheme of things I'd have them not only study that I would study the conversion of the existing bus garage to whatever you think you're going to use it for whether it's going to be parking or it's going to be an indoor uh weight room and all that stuff you did it wouldn't take them a lot but I think they should do both and how how it interacts with the that's a a really good point uh if if we do move that bus garage out and move it up on the hill then what's the what we use that building for that's the next property thing not have that in the same study I know Chris has had some ideas but AR come back with a recommendation

026the building itself all right the bus garage the bus garage because it's just a sh you know what I mean it's just a metal building so all yeah but I know that Chris and him talked originally there was some movement to maybe even you could take old AstroTurf or even new AstroTurf and put it in there and you you could do lot of your indoor uh sports like softball baseball uh even weightlifting and stuff like that you were thinking for neckolas County High School using as a facilities building yeah and I'm not saying yay or nay I'm just saying as part of that I would we need to look at I would I would look at what you're doing with the new bus garage and what you're going to do with the old bus garage

027at the same time should we ask them what they would charge us to do that study for us before we well I mean couple things they're already familiar with everything that we're doing so if you wanted to bring somebody else in I would think that it would be more because and If eventually it's going to be funded under FEMA then that's maybe something that could already be reimbursed yeah I'd almost tell them look we don't want the full set of plans we hopefully you all would buer this but we would like a a your all's thoughts on our what we're thinking and doing how that would work and how that would lay out I mean want a free consultation yeah really well really I mean that's kind of what I'm looking we need an idea

028of what it's going to cost us but don't don't do a full figure and put in outlets and electrical and heat and all that sure they have give us a budget allowance us that's what we need per square just so we make a decision whether that makes sense or not they made I mean a metal building 100 by 200 probably would be that's too much but that building was like 3 400,000 just for the building so a rough guess for 100% completed done I think you'll probably get it done for a million bucks off the top of my head you have so you'll have two building if you put it up there you'll have those two buildings to take down you don't have any buildings to take down cor you'd leave those up there for

029something that's why I want to see what the Architects would use them another building on you have to just add a bus garage the buses buses with another building yeah pull through buses yeah there there's still enough room there is a I mean the whole site's sitting on 4 probably two or three acres up there isn't there oh you have warant flat but they put a pond over there in to the side beside the U beside the um drops off into pond here parking lot retention Pond okay transitioning to the next building let's talk about Glade Creek what are the thoughts about Glade Creek now I'm I don't have a preference I I do have a couple things that I'm going to throw out to think about but uh I do know that in in

030the history in most counties nichas county is the one I can relate to the most is that these buildings A lot of times have been for lack of a better term it's probably not the right term but donated to the communities to them to use them as fire stations or Community buildings or whatever we see numerous places throughout our County that use them for that purpose but you know the one thing I want to throw out again two things well chip actually mentioned it in his talk about the hanger I always thought and it may be not a great idea but I always thought that daycare center for our employees would be a great thing to be able to offer and glay Creek School's got a lot of rooms in it which which would really

031handle a lot of students because parents you know our teachers have a real hard time with daycare believe me I I hear it all the time and that might be something consider but the other thing I'm thinking about is something that I've been talk I talked to the pocon County Board about this years ago when they thought I was nuts and they were probably right and but you're seeing it in the news more and more every day is about this ALC stuff for for elementary kids in a place to put them I watched the legislature today last night and Amy Grady was on there and she was talking about and it was Joe some guy from uh Mercer County he was he was a delegate from Mercer County anyway and they were talking about well

032if if if these kids get um if if the teachers get the authority to remove his child which they have that right right now a lot of people don't know that but they do have a right to move a child from the classroom for a period right now but if they choose to move a CH a child out of their classroom because they're just too detrimental to education well it would there wouldn't be any uh finances finan cost to the state for that because the county just have to figure that out okay so figuring that out means you stick them in the corner in the principal's office or the counselor and you got 10 kids in there and nobody watch them that's the way they kind of look at us handling that but you know

033we we have the alc issue right now we're putting them here in our you all see you all saw them last night up and down the hallways or two days ago no room to put them all we're getting we're going to we have more and more elementary kids that need to be removed from classrooms we had that discussion the other day about some kids we've got some we got some litigation going on in our County right now involving those kind of things so that building is again Cally located building that might be something to really consider to use for ALC building for elementary middle and high for all of our kids and and we'd have to staff it but uh it's it's a great location it's easy in and out of and it's it's very

034U centrally located for most of our kids and I know we tried to do it there this year and we had some issues with that but that's because we were using as a regular school at the same time too this would be totally an ALC school for our County there's I think it's 13 or 14 counties right now that have a an ALC program I don't know if they include us that or not because we do have one it's just after school but this will be during the day this has to be during the day we would have to provide transportation for those kids um so that's the thing that's the two things I thought about daycare and an ALC why why not keep it at the end of the day so we don't have

035to Ride Transportation well if you have it after school you wouldn't have to provide transportation if you have it during the day you would but if you have the elementary kids two hours four days a week those kids not going to learn how to read two hours four days a week well I understand ances are they're not going to learn anyway if they're that bad I mean I you know I hate to say that but we have that op but that building would serve that purpose I want to back up that building is going I'm I'm just praying for two more years out that building especially out the roof the roof the heating system in it I mean almost every day um Rusty is out there multiple times resetting the Heat and that uh Boiler

036Room has flooded it's they they've some pumped water out of it I mean well and and to back up the first thing we should do is check that Deed on that property and see how the board acquired that property and see if it back if it reverts back to somebody before we ever I think looked earlier oh yeah have you already looked at it does not I think it's some did not have okay so you already checked that out the closure documents right had to riew that those buildings well my that IED had a reversion CL I I'm you know our County the whole state shrinking population losing all these kids to homeschool that's just going to be another building for us to maintain sure even if it's for ALC and and we're going to

037have to keep you know roof on it keep the heat on all that my opinion is we don't need to keep it that's my opinion what about this science building right here beside us if you take the maintenance out of it what are you going to use it for stor yeah just mostly storage it wouldn't be suitable for the alc well I we did have the alc forun and that was another yeah that was that ran us just the heating and cooling well and all the staff that we had over there that cost around $400,000 a year but you going have the same the same thing at glake Creek and have another facility which would be the most yeah let me let me I'm going think outside the box this a work session rating where

038absolutely we're in just discussion or whatever and I guess somewhere along we've got to further talk about the annexation of the city going out and annexing our new school so that we can have a pro officer or proos it may be worth worth worthy to discuss with the city and I I can't speak for City but maybe talk to them about if you're going to Annex out that far could you Annex that Glade Creek School and also talk to them about the Summersville Elementary School and the Glade Creek School working out you could even lease it back just kind of like we do the City gym but maybe trading some value there again I'm just talking out loud of the sporting complex and their investment in the turf and stuff so basically what I'm saying

039is could you can could you can negotiate putting that price tag on those buildings by giving them those buildings in in exchange for getting the turf and using your Soccer Complex up there then they would take care of the buildings property course I think they want the sumersille elementary property they don't know that at one time they did because it's inside the city they want a city kind of Park in there I know they're building a big Athletic Park but stuff but obviously the city may not want to do it they have to make their own decisions and stuff but the city probably has the money to maintain those if you did want to lease a back for an Al Center or whatever you just put that in kind of your your deed or whatever

040some kind of first right refusal or something it may be worth a discussion with the city they may not be interested at all but it may be a way to to it may be a way to it may be a way to to talk about that so so basically what you're saying is you know they're they're wanting us to donate city park right and so you know we're strained for money right U way he could kind of yeah and could kind of trade the property for the for the investment and I I think that's a good idea I think we should I think it deserves a discussion with them I do too and you wouldn't have to include the GLA Creek property if you got another idea on that but if you did since they're

041annexing anyway they could probably draw the line because it's going to be contigous with the road right up there to park well they'd have to go just a little bit further right because Glade comes back you you enter the park before you enter Glade going down yeah but don't they aren't they going to take that three lane all up to the grade school well I don't know they're supposed to definitely three lane and I don't know how far uh it ends right there close but they could even Annex a little bit further to grab that property if they wanted they may not want that property but what I was thinking since the school's out there they may even want like a a little sub fire department out there or maybe move their Police bar I

042mean they may have a use they may not have a use but even without the GLA PR property I would definitely look at that sommersville Elementary property because it's inside the city and they may have use for it and they've already got your gymnasium in previous DEC and you may be able to put a price tag on it and trade it for and save us the money and not do that Turf they but still have still they would still give us um oh you still have the first right was the investment just like you invested to ra CH where you just giv them property for it that's that's a brilliant idea well I think it's worth the discussion I mean just because have changed in previous discussion with the city they said they had no

043interest in some who Elementary well I had discussions with them and they do now they may not the building itself but they definitely want that lower field ler field yes but the building property there I don't believe there but you know and they may have changed I'm just saying in well prob don't you may have to put it out a bit or whatever but I think it's worth the discussion that's one of those deals where you you don't you don't just give the the field away the price no you just be one package it's all or nothing Well if they that they don't have use for then they have the option of selling yeah they they I think what what I was told was that they would like to see we need we have a

044housing shortage that a developer come in there and develop where the grade school is TE it down for housing they'd like to lower field for a park like a walk park or whatever CU they don't have one right inside the city uh but but you're right they could take that and then turn around and sell it to a developer or whatever I don't know the rules and all that it's worth a discussion it absolutely and they and they they may not have any interest in it but it may be a way that we can you know and and because I do think that soccer long term that soccer is a good deal now you may not money to do it but not having to do the maintenance and replace the turf and I that to

045me that's I think you know I think the uh them naming it for the high school and maintaining it I think that's a huge idea right now though with us getting ready to cut people bus drivers teachers AIDS I think we're all going to catch a lot of grief if we take money out of our budget to put towards that that's why I said the idea that you just suggested you that wouldn't take money out of our c yeah and I hear what you're saying about I get that politically and and and the people and stuff but you're going to spend I know it's coming from the FEMA funds but you're going to spend a million dollars to put a soccer field up there Middle have to replace it in 10 years for another half

046million doar and you can make one half million dollar investment over here I know and and not have to do anything with it I mean I'm just having a hard time I agree with you I agree with you but but I do I do appreciate exactly what you're saying about a Personnel I understand that it's hard to know I told it's hard when you cut personel we cut last year and we're going to have to cut again this year and then to turn around even even giving Richwood that 25 or 30,000 that for that Community Center I wasn't against that I'm just I know how our I totally and save every we really need to watch or we're going to be in a mess right Kristen so I think if we can get that if

047we can get that deal done with trading some of the properties we have which we don't really have plans for some of these things anyway makes for the cash I think well I have interest but I think we ought to explore that I absolutely uh think that once sommersville Elementary once we get them moved we do not want to worry about taking care of that property tear those building down cutting all that grass yeah and the city the city they're they're good stewards for their money they may not have any interest they may need to cash to do their field they may not have any interest in that but I knew at one time there was some interest in that property because it's right in the middle of the city and it's right down from

048where the thing is I think we should ask to yeah you go tearing that old building down down there it's got best it's going to be expensive I we don't want to that there's all kinds of Need for nursing and things like that my goodness at one time somebody approach me about doing another drug rehab I know we've got a bunch of them and they asked me what we were going to do with it no it wasn't that I'm sorry it was a dance class and stuff it was out the mount neibo so I'm just saying that the Private Industry may I know we know what the problems are but they may come in there and have a use for that we don't want to be in the business have negotiate that if we can

049get the city to do that and give us a I think it's worth the conversation I think you're right okay part of that building have a meeting with him okay I will yeah part of that building is relatively new and uh the backside of it wonder if he would uh wonder if he'd had time to run over here he might I mean while we're having this work session yeah I find out I just got to have a meeting with him we were in a foundation meeting with reason any other property on our agenda well I I I'll I'll reiterate um you know I'm not saying there's not some good possibilities to do some things with but with our maintenance on the the new complexes we're building and then the ex existing buildings I don't think

050we need to keep extra property that we have to maintain right like even the Glade Creek putting a roof putting a roof one and uh you know maybe have to put a new boiler in I don't think we W any part of that I I'm hoping that we baby him along enough to get through this yeah remember that building the original part of that building is from 1957 needs a boiler and it's got a 30-y old metal rof on there and you know when you drive by it it looks like a and it's not falling down but still a lot of Maintenance and just keeping just got a subject think as well and and just uh just keeping the grass cut at these places that we don't have students um I don't think we need

051that extra cost our our maintenance guys are stretched now keeping the grass cut and when they start at Glade Creek OH surely the school care of that site the school can take care of their they they have I mean right now simmers middle school has a 240 custodian that's responsible for cutting all their I a lot more grass but it be a full-time job yeah you know we're we're not good stewards if we use money inappropriately like you say we've got to save money we've got to be within a budget and uh we're going to have to make some Cuts we don't want to be teachers we got a list of things in PRI prioritized that we want to attend to in order right right yes so they have to take priority and and you

052know you get these requests for you know like like from the community center which is a very good organization um but we you start handing money out that and then and then you turn around and say well we got to cut your job you know pretty yeah $500,000 could pay for a lot of teachers before we move on out of property and stuff do we need to put on the agenda and again I'm just not really good on protocol and having discussion because I know there's been some internal discussion but I don't know as far as the full board about pros and cons of annexation and moving forward with annexation and did you have any questions about that Mr moose or Mr Barry on on the GL Creek on the glake creek academic I think

053complex the city is willing to Annex it I think it's very important that we do that because um for our Pro officer if nothing else for the pro officer and of course the city's already said they're not trying to get tax money off that they said they would do a memorandum of understanding that this project would would would not affect so do we I just don't know again the protocol do we need to put that on the agenda and we have to designate somebody I don't think we've got to give them the maps of they haven't got that yet Gary with you records going to be the one from the city working on that and then mayor's already charged him to do that but they haven't seen anything yet yeah we maps iot to tell

054I think something else and and maybe if we can squeeze this in maybe they won't do it but um you know we're considering putting the bus garage there will they allow us to do that along with the constructions going on or you think they're going to charge us for that that's a good question he talked like it they we would still be subject to an inspections or whatever but he talked like if we say that's part of the overall FEMA project and we're going to use the FEMA money it'd be a good time to raise that question I don't know I can't I can't answer that but I think it's it's a good time to raise that question but I think we got to go through the formal steps of agreeing to the annexation and

055I just want to make sure if Mr moose and him had any questions or whatever well with the way the sheriff's department is um you know short staff it it's going to be hard for them to to give us a pro officer and the city of Summersville has done a wonderful job up to this point they have and you know they're actually losing money on that when you when you consider their um you know I know we give them money but when they pay the benefits and stuff they're they're actually not well they're in better Financial condition to provide that than the county right basic and we need one it to school absolutely and so if you don't an ACC that you're going to be getting it from the county and we know the problems

056we've run into at Richwood yeah the call comes up they pull them out and I understand some of that but so I just didn't know how that worked chip do you need to put that on a future agenda or I think we probably should okay if nothing else just for to record when we made this decision I think we need to put it on the agenda to to give permission to the city Su to Annex that property did you write that it sounds like a winwin a seal trap we aren't required to pay taxes yes yeah yeah yeah now future we're not saying 10 years down the road if you had a building project or something oh yeah I understand we talking about the initial and that's way I understood it too that's exactly I

057and and they can they have the right they can wave that if they want like yeah even the future you yeah on the future you'd say hey we're going to we're going to put a Press Box in here for something or this for this and could you wave this they had the option to do that sure exactly the pro officer at Richwood when that is in one facility will we just need one PR officer there will that help yes yes have two saying you guys yeah I I think one because you if you're just going to have one at the at the prek through eight that's 1300 student you only got 700 some 3K through 12 so I would think they can handle it administrative let me I think it just said I don't think

058it numbers how many pro officers that says how much money we have exactly I'll and it didn't that change in 26 didn't it go up a little bit yes okay safety increases it doesn't necessarily specify that it has to be for pro officers it just says it's 700 down for me I I'm I'm not seeing that number you know what's that now saying there's 700 at Richwood at the K through 140 in in the SCH right now your current number is 220 at the middle school and 299 at the high school that's over 700 it's like 688 or something and then a percentage of those won't even be in the building because they'll be at the career center so 153 or something like that a CH Elementary which is subject there's 200 200 and some

059at the uh Middle School at the middle school this is on second month I have 155 at Cherry River 231 at Richwood Middle 322 at Richwood High School I know we're at 299 right now at Richwood High School that's almost 7 Richwood High School 299 I look up your live numbers right now just um also someone called yesterday from the Richwood Police Department um wanting to talk about Pro officers they're going to come to maybe our next meeting and and you know as I think that's a once again you put a county Pro officer over there nothing against the county but they have a tendency to run to other things to call them out and you know um when we're we're kind of paying them most of it I think they need to be at

060the school full time so Richwood would have to understand that that officer would need to be at that location Richwood High School's got 293 students right now pardon me 23 for Richwood High school9 Richwood Middle School has 232 Cherry River has 152 that's still close to 700 yeah that's did you think that was high or low Mr moose I thought it was low oh 677 and then as far as building occupancy at least the fourth or half of your high school kids will the curing during the day anything else on property did you hear from the mayor yet did he no he didn't answer not texting to call me I'm sure he will be in meeting okay the only other thing I have and it's kind of related to property in a way is uh

061we have to make some decisions pretty soon on our school-based health care for our two new facilities on how we're going to do those now my understanding is and correct me if I'm wrong uh the Richwood High School and Richwood Middle School are right now under the under Camden is that correct they take care of those so I mean the natural progression of things would be them just to move into that facility but have we made any determinations about I don't know if it matters but prior to the flood they was taken care of by New River and I think Cherry River Before the Flood Cherry River have cherry River has New River there don't they no Cherry Cherry River mid nobody serviced Camden Before the Flood um or cherry River nobody serviced them before

062the flood and then whenever the Middle School pods went over there um they we put a there was a clinic that in there that was Camden but at Richwood High School Richwood Middle School that was New River servicing them um but well my understanding is with with sommersville academic complex right now New River has the middle school and the high school and Camden has the elementary school so you're going to have that two years down the road to to determine but you know we talked about earlier in some discussions about having the health clinics take on some of the cost of this is that correct christien yes so you know we're getting close to getting into the Richwood site we have to we have to make a decision at some point on what what their

063skinning game is going to be on this if anything I don't know are in that school yes there is once Dent CL Richwood Beaver we had a dental clinic in there well we had a meeting yesterday at Camden and uh they announced that Dr lucky has decided that he would be there he would come there and Service as a dental officer uh one day a week and then may expand more plus he's going to try to bring in interns and yeah I think they did have it open all the time daily didn't they for a while yeah well they have the mobile unit too did Camden have that they put that in did they yeah cam okay can you put out a I don't know again I work in Private Industry and I know the

064government works differently and obviously I I want to do everything right but can you put out RP a request for proposal and tell them this is the space and we're looking for what you would be willing to do to lease that space and run the clinic and just put it out to the agencies and let them make a proposal I think Le in the space to be better than having them to pay to build it because then they're stuck there forever they ear part of that yeah I I I would agree and that way if a lease runs out and you can do somebody else you should own yeah I I would totally agree with that and one thing you know I know at Glade Creek the way it's set up it has an outside

065entrance at Richwood does it have yeah is it I don't I didn't remember so in other words the general public could not just access our school no no no um in at Rich it's down you know where the administrative offices for the grade school part yes so the clinic is on the as you're looking outside the school but if you're looking at the parking lot it's on the right hand side at the corner right there so it has it separate it has its own secure Insurance yes and and you'd have to go from the clinic through the mant Trap or the administration whatever to get into the school or you'd have to go back out and come back in well the students can come in the back side of the clinic okay but the outside

066public has to come in the out from the outside they don't go at all to go and once and once again sorry um whether it's New River Canam whoever our kids are supposed to be first yeah they are and typically those sites like they operate you know um golly goly River it's not open when school's not in session Panther Creek is not open when school is not in session Nicholas County High School that that clinic there is not open when is not in session uh Panther Creek is it open during the summer though um I think so probably but Kristen's it's not consistent okay so what process Kristen do we need to go through to to U follow his follow his direction that we I mean we can even just put that on our website

067we wouldn't even have to put in paper okay just let them know the people that we know would be interested right this out and I don't know that they'd be interested but one time I talked to them about it WVU medicine might be I don't I don't think they make money on that I don't think they will but it's another bidder or another person and you know if sure put it out there and let let them all know and then Canam or New River or whoever wants your yeah okay well license yeah so they can and that's exactly what I was going to ask maybe know more about this but providers own addresses and in the past that's been an issue of who owns the address and then other providers aren't allowed so I don't

068know who owns that address or who's claims it or who's allowed to do uh provide services on on those how do we find that out so another words uh you really you need to find out who owns the address because you can't put it out for right if that's even I mean I don't understand the whole I don't either an address thing I don't who can provide services from a certain I know that we had an issue with that before well you got to watch there's a certific of need process in West Virginia to keep people from just getting into other providers area because they they I know you like competition but they're afraid that that will a road so I don't know either uh I can I can put you with people and probably

069let you know that I don't know normally when someone comes in like that they they are under the uh whoever administers that at that time so say Camden is is taking care of that if a dentist comes in they are his boss he doesn't have a private practice and so that would be true of anybody that would have to come in they they couldn't have yeah I would think the Canam and New River and SRM W and srmc were all they've already allowed to cover Nicholas County that I found out about this is when Mr Richard was superintendent um Camden owned the addresses for Mount Neo Mount lout and some of those other schools but they wasn't providing any services so he was he was giving them the option to either provide service or release

070that address to let another agency come in and serve those schools so that's to me that to me just first time to me you put out the RFP and they have to address those issues they're the ones that have to decide whether they can provide the services or not I don't think we really have to do that I think they'll they'll do that Mr in other words you put out a place and and uh candom has they have that's their address they know well we're the only ones that can do this so um you still put it out New River is not gonna anything by doing that before he would sign anything I mean no that they're Legally Legally able to provide those services but I don't think we have to make that determination yeah

071we were we we renew our agreements with these every year right as it is so but once again if they have that if if that area is assigned to them get him in here Steve that's all right hey what what you doing right now what session we we we like to discuss something with you okay ex session probably we'll probably have that discussion in executive session okay good let better while we got time for a couple miscellaneous things I don't have miscellaneous on the agenda but I'd like to add that to there um let's talk about our snow days real quick um I I'd like to get the board's opinion on what they prefer as far as uh and you know because I said this at the board meeting on Monday and I'll just reiterate

072it again we have we are going to be uh turning in a another waiver request and I don't know where that'll go but in the event that no raver is approved and we have to make up days right now we're at three we have to make up does the board want us to add those days to through June which it take us about the fifth fifth day of June something like that without touching spring break or do you want me to take it the days off Spring Break and if we do at the first half or the second half of spring break I kind of need to know what you all think because I'm getting all kind of phone calls about my opinion always have one well that's why you're my opinion is that you

073put out a survey now I know I know you're not going to make everybody happy but you get the you let them vote and and and I know we don't have long to do this so you you make this survey you know and you you put it on Facebook and you say hey if you want your input you know if you get a vote once and do you want it off Spring Break do you want at the end of the year or do you want a combination that would be their three choices what do you think well the other choice be do you want prefer the first two days of spring break or that week after Easter or the last two days like you know I'm stend a good Friday through Monday and Tuesday or

074have Good Friday have a Friday off and then come for two or three days and you know that choice because a lot of people are vacations may may be set and and I understand that that's why I said you're I've got a survey written that you've got some other people that have vacation set for the end of school that first week exact right so regardless right that's Memorial Day they're going and I know most most of your teachers not maybe not all of them but they're going to say after testing let's get them out of here as soon soon as we can because I've been there you know anybody that's taught it's not fun after testing so what what are is there a majority of people that are calling you wanting one thing or they're

075want to know when when we're going to make up the days spring break or and then spring break or yeah you'll get you'll get both I me the one person will say I don't care about spring break go ahead and take it but don't mess with the end another person will say don't mess with the end of Don't Mess With well and and so a survey would there's been there's been people on Facebook and they say well I don't care my kids aren't going during that my kids aren't going to and and you know whatever but well it be a good idea to get a majority because you're not going to make everybody happy well if you really I I agree because if if it really is not material to us do that with the

076service then let let them have a s yeah yeah because it's it's really doesn't matter to me either way but because it's you know it's just is what it is but I know we but I also want to put in that survey that this is in the event that we do not get away right I want them know this is not a final decision because if we get away we may don't have to make them up well I and I think I think you uh put that survey out now because uh spring break's what the week of April 13 so you know we're going have to make a decision pretty soon on I know we were trying to and I was dragging this out intentionally to see how many days we going to have to

077work with I didn't want to make a decision right away and and this week you know next few days look all right normally responds to this survey mainly teachers or is it the general public or general public more than teachers yeah well and you know I I get one out Monday I get one out Monday I'm not applied for a waiver but in L if we don't receive that waiver which was your preference which was your preference yeah I I'll good idea I'll get that out Monday we run a week and see how it goes then back time boring you all be able to get some you know there's people out there that have no skin in the game and hopefully they don't do the survey well they'll do the opinion I promise you it

078blows my mind it's like U what what's this how's this affect you now if it affects you then give us your opinion Lobby that really want something I know take the surve yeah I know but I'll I'll take care of that they'll be anxious to see which they prefer it we actually see what the survey show and it may this may be a crazy idea I don't know what do you think Chris I mean it doesn't hurt to think impact the only thing happens if you take inut they're like wait up we see what we say anyways if we don't give them results well we provide the the information we get just like we did the calendar survey you know I went through everything that they talk asked me about we add some changes to

079it Community like likes to have imp yeah and I agree but I agree what you're saying oh yeah if you already kind of got your mind made up don't put survey out but if you really if you really want what the survey says then you know well that's why I well and and I know what you're saying because I used to be on the calendar committee when I was uh teaching and I was on it for quite a few years and I'd go back to the school and I'd say these are these are the choices we came up with and they'd say they would make the comments some of them it doesn't matter what we say they're going to do what they want and which wasn't the case we listened and we made decisions based

080on the majority not it might not agree with what you wanted but you know well it was just like with the closures that said had Hur Minds made right right it didn't happen but uh that's only other thing I wanted to talk about I I the reason I asked that question is if you all because I didn't know if you all getting calls about the same thing I was getting calls about and what your prever was but but I'll do a survey I'll get it out on Monday can I ask a question while we're kind of waiting sure um on ALC what is there a possibility that you could just have or maybe you used to do that I think um just a classroom within an existing school for ALC at the high school and

081then maybe one at the middle school where you have the new school where you're G to have grade schools so you're not paying for upkeep for a whole building and you're just pay teacher here yeah you just have you just have to staff it if you did that if you had the space for it the only issue we had with that of course we had high school students in the grade schoolies things left behind by the alc kids um well and if you if you um suspend them and but yet they're still going to the same building it has it kind of needs to be in the evening right but also if it's in the evening it's a couple hours in the evening it's not punishment it's less school I mean they're not you know

082they don't have to go to school at that point they're not spending eight hours in a school building they're hanging out for a couple hours in the hallway on their cell phone I mean of course we did we did that because we didn't want to have to transport them on the buses that's the reason we made that decision now when I poke H County we had poon count high school we had an ISS teacher who was also all all dead they kept them if they were suspended or expelled or whatever and also they did the ISS at that school so we did have that in our building there in a classroom it kind of defeats the purpose though if you ex suspend a kid from school and they still ride the bus in with all

083the other students and that's where we got into a lot of issues those kids that were expelled they're getting on the bus and raising all kind of havoc and because they're expelled anyway right they don't care and Kristen I I know what you're saying but as a teacher if I can't do my job because of a kid they need to be out of my room and sometimes out of the building and yeah we're supposed to educate them but some of that's on them too and yeah I'm just trying to think of a way that we're not having to building to to do that see Christian has to look through a different lens than we do I mean and that's just that's what makes this work is because she provides perspective on finance and we have

084to provide respective and other things so I appreciate those comments I mean you have to look at all of it yeah and I agree with you uh as far as you know keeping a whole building just for that I it's you know that was one of the reasons we did away with having it over there and we moved it to here and going take a five minute break go bathroom or something anybody need to go to the rest or anything take a five minute recess yeah it's fine that's fine stretch your legs nothing else let's take a five minute recess and u will reconvene here shortly all the bus are going any we have a need for and so that's what I was saying we discussed building that on to the bus room but so

085maybe we could have the training room or training facility just build one room there and have that to be as well yeah now what are you talking about blade or at the grade school or High School requirements for buildings yeah but I mean truly as many research and things that our bus drivers have to do they kind of need a you're talking about the new site if they put maintenance and transportation up there right if you put put it in that same rather not the old school and and it may be too expensive it's because of that facility building but could you make that day HC the old bus C how much conversion how much conversion and it would still be on a campus but a separate building but I don't know it that's just

086a shell building so I don't know what you could do what you couldn't for education purposes you may have to sprinkle sure it's not sprinkled already it may be sprinkled see hey Robert we're going to go into an executive session with you in just a minute we got a couple things we want to discuss with you we're just taking a five minute recess so everybody go bathroom and stuff I think Nick's gonna be an asset what's that I think Nick's going to be an asset oh big yeah so is good you did somebody expound that upon you or was that your idea no that's Mya I thought just why you all talking good idea my mind's always working for a deal I just try to make deals I'm always good idea and I don't get

087married into any deal so when I present these things I don't want yall think he wants to do that it's an idea it's an idea um he's got saw he does he and we got to talk about s now is your son-in-law still doing Soul oh yeah yeah we're going to do it this weekend I'm going to try yeah cool yeah so Jay Noak at work this morning is he at work this morning game last night yes I saw him sure he was hard about it yeah he he was there with which one yeah little r yeah little yeah they asked me to go and I said no way I got an 8:00 I made it it was it was good that chip took my ticket I didn't even see virgin yeah really good friend

088that gave I've been there before yes I've been there mess out kind of introduce Robert the concept A little bit take a abolutely he's gonna get blinds by this let me kind of sof let me do my thing so um let's come out of recess board right we're GNA come out at recess at 111 12 and um so at this time we need a uh executive uh session on property discussion cor so do I have that motion I make it motion Mr Barry makes a motion seconded by second second by Mr Ferguson all in favor all I at 11:12 e e e could be in AEK area you know how our property thrun up and stuff you can see GL Creek too if she's never been to um yeah there there's another 70 Acres there

089at glay Creek's not even I mean yeah there's 180 in there 80 a lot of it's the hillside behind I know the mountain behind it so it is but it's property though can we Timber it get some money yes you could but you're not supposed to be in a business well you have to trade timber for something well have to do a for nalia if we uh have to make a decision we continue with turfing field and see because they've already paid part to get it ready so this is the back lot is a playground and it's um five acres this is the playground and kind of I think that goes down a little bit into a valy behind there all usable it does um so this lot is the biggest part of the field

090down there but it also Hill beside the um Senior Center and um so these are just two small lots that go along with it so and this one is 3 and half acre lot with just a school and the parking as you can tell kind of the front of the hillside there and that little lot um goes with it as well so that's kind of the property that we own at some Elementary the the football Field's the top lot this is the football it's broke up use the baseball field so that's that's what that looks like um thought just for your information I want to show you what let me found the search again search yeah the problem is the school being torn down is going to be a cost I mean yeah the property

091itself's worth something but I I get told was even if we put it out there that's always going to be a lot we're probably not going to get that much because whoever buys it yeah they're going to factory in have building you might not get much money demolition over the years the demolition costs have actually come down um well like when I was in private I tore down the Walmart building and I got the handy boys do it for like 50 Grand you know but you can't do that in public and you know and it had I think it has well we in poah County we had to tear down our old Board office which was an old high school and we got a grant to had it paid for it to to demolish it

092now that takes time right but that's there's yeah the demolishing cost itself isn't that much but that asbest removal that's why we had $325,000 to those white suits in there and it cost you well he he said it cost him $100,000 just for Jim floor yeah the Glade Creek property um um and and two lots happened uh this was the first lot that was purchased and then um we purchased that and we started all of our Environmental Studies and then we realized we had to have more property for the rest and then we also had to have this out here with Gott Environmental Studies we had after we was told we had to have the second entrance and we realized had to acquire more property okay so that's when we bought this property alone to

093begin with and they said hey because they still thought they could develop this side and it was worth n County building commission yeah right and then we said we have to have a second there was like listen this property up here is useless to us you have to buy everything so that's how we acquired so much property um but that's that second purchase was at a good price it was at 138 um I think it was this they pretty much sold it for nothing the trees and all that um and it was kind of funny whenever they did the a price valuation like some Acres was worth 30 40,000 an acre and then some was worth 3,000 even less but sound like wood yeah well they had a debt against that and the price came

094out about what the debt was that was their own that was their go well that that was get out that that was on the the first blot where the park right yeah and so the debt was actually part of the problem because we just basically PA the only supposed to be Industrial in industrial park yeah I was on the neas County building commission that was part of our problem when we bought it yeah I know that yeah so that's kind of what all I'm saying is is They just won their debt I I wasn't on divor time but they want their debt taken care of so if you took care of it in the first purchase the second purchase shouldn't have been much they weren't looking well I don't know some of they were looking

095to make some money I guess but it was mainly to get out proper looks like and of course well that's what I think the mayor will need to Annex and he wants to Annex the whole property I see no reason not to what what's the advantage to the city of annexing there's not really well future building fees I guess they could yet it really is to provide the police protection and and he's losing the Somersville Elementary out of the city and and and Robert's kind of visionary and thinks about other ways nothing he wanted to have a school inside he didn't want sommersville to be a City without a school now they got to high school I guess but he was losing Summersville elementary but other in the city it it really helps us out

096more than it does the city with having their they oh yeah there's not a lot of Vantage to the city because I'm telling you I the Sheriff's Department stretched yeah and yeah we pay no time well the more you can partner with I think you can have a good partner but you never know what the next Mar and stuff is yeah it helps when you have a city that is financially healthy so Ray we came out of executive session a few minutes ago there were no no we question come out of the ex we're still okay well that's right because he opened the door and we was waiting on Ray but okay uh Mr Mr moose and Mr Ferguson second it and all in favor at 11:46 and there were no decisions made budget next

097let's H yeah so we don't kick Ray back out let's do budget next we let Kristen talk about our budget see um what our demo costs were our what costs our demo costs oh demo costs from the old schools okay um well just basically um Kelly had sent out an email before um some estimates of how much our fing was off how many people we were over formula and about how much but I looked at our actual um amounts of salaries that we paid last year and then just kind of gave that just a 2% increase I don't know if the legislature is GNA do an increase for teach um pay I would doubt it I don't think that there haven't heard any discussion about trade pay rates so I just did that because everybody

098gets a step increase every year um I know that pea is going to increase um but I don't even have Pea in these numbers at all I haven't I don't have the expense or the revenue for p so this is just salaries with just our regular uh B taxes and workers comp so no retirement no insurance here um based on the professional salaries we paid last year compared to what we're actually going to be funded um this year unless like I said unless something changes with the legislature this these are preliminary allocations um we would be spending more than we are funded for professional people by $3.2 million and for Servant $1.1 million um all that's Personnel right yes yeah yeah um so then also um for student support which is Nurses counselors social workers

099um they they're in a separate step um that would be almost $100,000 now um and like I said you know we pay the what we're funded is based on a 200 day contract and so a lot of these people we pay more Kesslers social workers there 205 day 210 day contracts um nurses have extended contracts so I mean that's part of the reason for the difference that's part of the reason that we pay we are spending so much more than what what we're receiving um in substitute costs that's going to be about um an average based on what we spent last year for Subs um we spent about 330 more than we were allocating for Subs um on top of that we pay about $400,000 in coach's salaries um and that's not funded anywhere in

100the formula um we usually have to use you know excess living money helps with our with our coaches so just based on I mean and the the funding formula you know funds us for other things they fund us for um transportation and um technology and and things like that but just salaries only just looking at salaries then salaries that we would be expecting to pay next year um compared to the actual Revenue we were going to get for those salaries it's about $5.5 million more that we would be paying for salary than we're actually funding for salary so goodness we have the levy and I mean I'm not saying you know I mean there's a lot of things that play into that we pay more you know we pay a supplement for principles we pay

101a supplement for for a lot of different positions and a lot of it is just that we pay for people to have a contract more than 200 days I mean that's a lot of it we have a lot of people who are 26 do the board salaries they came out of the county fund too right yeah I don't think I have I don't have that they're not they're not so big expense those things teach me a little bit we get we get State a formul funding from the state of West Virginia based upon a 200 day contract all the ones that's in a 260 day contract or 261 that extra 61 days that's coming out of our general yes anything like some principles are 210 some of them are 240 anything over 200 days and

102it doesn't matter if it's a service or and stuff like that it doesn't matter if it's service or or professional okay do you know how many we have in the over 200 category um actually I don't have I don't have that figured out um I could look into that but you know everybody at the central office 261 for the most part principles I don't know all principles are more than 200 some are um might have a couple of 205 210 the secondaries um the high schools are 240 High School are 240 but not all like not all central office salaries comes out of right there are you know um we have some people who are Fally funded yeah comes out of you know a technology fund that comes from the state and federal funds and

103some some special so let me ask you this so um someone is 261 if it's out of federal money is their whole is their whole 261 taken care of now it was and I might be wrong on this but the superintendent's the only 261 day contract that's reimbursed by the state right no the superintendent is not reimbursed by the comes out of County but it's not reimbursed any more than than anybody else say I think it's the only one that's required to be a 261 day contract that's what I'm saying so yes so that's you don't fund it okay yeah do they fund 200 days of it yes and no they'll fund his degree level pluses years of experience up to 200 days and then the contract between us is I mean but it's reimburse

104whatever contracted you negotiate so so what what I never did figure out is why they they require you to have a treasure but they don't fund it but they don't fund it I mean we got to have you but right and so and that's part of that that is included in this $3.2 million that I'm saying that we are short on professionals I mean there's some positions like that that are not even funded in the formula so I'm saying there's the money the revenue that we're getting from the state and then there's what we actually spend which includ which includes you and everything yeah that you're going to be around $5 million short or five and a half shorts that's coach sours Etc right and I'm not saying that we're sp5 million worse off than

105we were last year or anything like that I'm just saying if we're just looking at how much money we're funded some salaries and how much we're paying for salaries that's the difference well and so I guess and and I I hate to start picking on people but on these days everybody that's over two 200 have have you looked at any of those can we cut any of those days CU I know I know like the custodians they you have to give them some extra days to get so you have schools ready and so you can close schools I understand all that but is there any have you and and I know it doesn't save you a lot and of course that hurts people's livelihood and that's not what I'm after either but we have to

106I guess my question would be along those lines is what would be the some of gonna come out you I get all that based upon us operating the schools like we are now what's the recommendation how many people we would have to cut to get where we can operate to schools the state tells us I mean we are how many we over form we are over right now based on what they're funding us for based on our student enrollment right um we are 26 over in professional um and we are we were 23.7 6 over in service however we are going to be hiring um 10.2 is what they are allowing I don't know how many will actually hire third grade age yeah um so that would put us if we put that take that

107into consideration that would put us at um 33.9 over in service and we um historically we have run I mean we have been over I mean yeah we've been absorbing the over yeah I understand some I have this right at 10 third grade okay so that should be pretty good we're going to be funded for about 10 we're going to hire about 10 so that ecat I mean that should should help but yeah I mean we're looking at yeah what will be I'm sure you and Kelly looked at it in Terence or whatever kind of that's what we're over what the state says what's going to be your recommendation of how we structure this I mean how how many are you think we're going to end up netting I'm looking at possibly um could be

108could be as high as 18 teachers out of those 18 how many are retirements or moving on or whatever how many um I'm just curious I'm not saying that five of them are from retirements um an an additional one is from um a person that is going to be moving next year that we're holding this year that we can do that position in another way so that's six um one is a long-term sub then a seven so seven of those through attrition or right what yeah yeah so that's that's professional professional how many service are we looking at cutting um and and most of this is due to decline decline of enrollment which is mostly due to Hope Scholarship Hope Scholarship home school right y well if you look at last year's compared to this

109year's um allocations from the state we're getting funded Less in FY 26 than we were in fy2 which wouldn't wouldn't be what you would think would happen because we're going to have step increases in salaries and we're adding those um third lost a bunch ofid we lost so much en that yeah we're getting less money this year than we got last year and so you know when I sent that email the other day about you know these uh these folks at homeschool and have Hope Scholarship and all that and yet they want to come back and play sports and participate uh that's why I sent that email um we've got to be ready to recoup recoup any dollar we can it's on the May um 6 March 6 right right did you get service seven

110seven service yeah I don't understand wants to undermine public education to put it in 18 private education they do a little bit more that's what they're doing and you and you may it's seven positions but some of those positions aren't full-time I got you so there may be more total people but it's seven total positions in other words it could be more could be a half time and a half time which I I'm with you yeah could be two people one position right it could affect more than seven people yes yes um but that I mean you know that really barely cuts into but then we lose next year we right back the same so if you did that and I'm not saying and I know there still has to be a lot of planning

111but let's say you did 18 professional seven however that worked out how much money does that save compared to the 5.5 million were short um well I have to look at that um she and Kelly had sent out some information in December I think she you guys to um she's saying that um the 22 teachers that we were over would could cost at an average salary $1.8 million so she's saying that we would um we'd be able to cut 18 of those positions and you know we're looking at um maybe a million and a half there and then um the service those were Services an average of like $30,000 for a service person that's without fixed charges so um if you're looking at 27 210,000 right and like I said um that we get um

112an allocation for fixed charges on those and then they'll also give us an allocation for Pia um but we I don't know what those are yet so even if you did that we could still be looking at a substantial budget oh yeah deficit or so okay Chris um your ti how are they funded all of technology is not funded out of I take no money out of County budget okay so it's either funded by the excess Levy or by um Tools for Schools funds or step seven seven b so basically even if you cut one of them you're not yeah like if you if you take anything from technology I mean I just and I'm not I'm just looking at everything I just lost Nicole to payroll right that did not add any money back

113to the county offer yeah he's funded his technology is funded under step seven and so I have I didn't step yeah talking and I I wasn't picking on your department you're just sitting here try to yeah I mean kind of my point earlier is like I think some of those numbers that you see that's funded above the formula are they funded they're funded by other departments but it's just not covered by the formula am I wrong in that like all of our salaries this is this tot okay so then like so then my salary is not counted in that doar amount right yeah programs wouldn't be so if I said well let's get rid of the technology director which I wouldn't but if I said that that's not going to help us you know if

114you would you know if you would just depends on where the director's paid from even cutting their days would help the county funds right right just like Dr Lee's position it's federally funded so and did did you say around 7,000 of student that's 7,000 students what we lose for every student ,000 it's about eight student Cal office positions are um federal or partially federally funded so yeah that's not that's not that is not even considered SC what blows my mind on this whole deal is a legislature they're doing everything they can against public schools but they have all the regulations on us and they want us to be accountable for the money they're spending but then they turn around and they give it to Hope Scholarship and there's no regulation and they can spend it

115any way they want to and you know I'm not saying all of it there there are some that are using it and and educating I know that but there's a lot that aren't and and the kids aren't going to get an education in a few years we are going to be in a big mess we're in the mess now we you wait to fa I mean yeah they're they're undermining public education and and and then it's going well the public well you didn't go to public school you know on the other hand a lot of these kids we're losing are the ones that uh are the troublemakers or won't come to school and so hopefully hopefully our test scores will get better and you know we'll have kids that want to learn and you know

116I hate to say that but some of it's on the kids so losing a lot of them to online schools that get a graduate quicker too so I don't think the majority of our students are leaving are just the bad ones I think we're losing just as many good ones as we are High School junior we're down to about 3,200 students somewhere around there you have and I know this is I wouldn't assume it's not Christian's numbers I always hate to say assume if you lost are we gonna reject 5% if you lost 5% that's another $1.8 million yeah if you lose if if he reduces another 150 students is it 2% 3% we know it's going to go down yeah I mean I mean we know it's going number one you got population problems

117you got industry problem you got job problems then when you throw on the fact that you got competition now with the state of West Virginia with the Hope scholarships you know it's going to go down I don't know what percentage classroom and they're not off of one bus and that's what's killing us that 25 CL like you said 25 students that say in formula for one teacher and that that doesn't work yeah that's where you have to consolidate school yeah that's where you consolidate and classes and all that stuff yeah you can already see like now minus the difference between a class leaving and a class coming in Richwood High School just because we did those numbers this morning right had 330 on second month already down to 293 that's yeah and and that's just

118one school that's that's one school but like I said we'll have to look at the size class leaving and size class coming in and they take those numbers in October is that right that's when we're going well somebody told me like there was a class at Summersville Middle School this year like there was 150 in it and next year there's only going to be 120 um that's a whole class the incoming it it's not just for them the incoming um sixth grade the current fifth grade is 83 students less than the current sixth grade yeah I can see that actually because I know that fifth grade class and their their numbers are down fifth grade that's two teachers fourth grade looks good but second thir way down remember yeah that's two teachers I hate we're

119graduating but you can't you can't keep those and say well you're gonna have 10 kids this year this year's kindgarten class only in the whole County yes and you know I that less than what nichas County graduated last year yes and that's if you get them all or keep them all that's if you retain them so that's still a scary part is I hope that's not a trend I hope that's an anomaly of one small year one small class but you know um the trend that I'm seeing come forward from grade schools is we're going to see Richwood High School graduating classes of 60 some 607 to low 70 kids that's graduating poah for 60 some kids that's what you are going to start looking for in the future is you're graduate 60 some kids

120from from Rood high schol for the next several years um on a on another note when you population goes like down like that and Mr Barry hate to say this but that's when you start losing your arts and your music because you can't afford to you know what I'm saying well you're you're gonna that's that's now I know I know and then the and then they say well you all don't have this and you don't have that well we don't have enough kids to have this and that well like I was talking to them last night they're they're going to combine a health teacher and an art teacher same person teaching both up here at high school next year problem and and Richwood will do the same they'll just have a split teacher there so

121it's already Happ this year's uh fifth grade class total only has 186 kids the whole County so and this year our senior class for um we graduated 175 from nichas County High School and 79 from Richwood next year the 11th grade class goes down to 72 and then the 10th grade class goes down to 61 and and you know obviously we looked at closing Birch River and Zila we kept them open for couple reasons couple reasons but you know year after next or something we're going to look at that again and uh it's going to be some tough decisions yeah well it'll be a double-edged sword because you some of those decisions that we kept open some of those parents reasons were valid as far as that busing time and they'll go to home school

122hope whatever I mean you'll lose a you know when you have to do that I mean it'll probably put pressure on you we had 407 kids in there and we retained about 20 of those when we close Dixie I'm sorry Dixie Dixie when we Clos Dixie it was like 47 kids and I think about 20 of those went to Z we had kids going there from fed and Clay County well and and just like Birch no I know I know everybody's facing this all the counties are facing this you take some you know like Birch some of those kids may choose to go to little Birch and and I understand but they have to understand from our point that we can't keep losing money that we're going to be bankrupt be our average class for

123several years um right now is like the whole county is 250 kids is average and it stays that way until about you know fifth grade goes down to 186 and then it starts dropping off you know 230 220 something 220 26 the trend is not increasing for for just one they just going to go the other way it's not just one area it's all over the whole County um how do you have any other better news on the budget no um on the budget no but we're finished pretty D we're finished with you do we really need her get rid I'm just kidding we going to go into Personnel yeah have to do sessional Personnel next I think coach all right so if we're seriously you're done with everything you need to say yeah I

124mean that's enough well I think the bottom line is you guys are doing a good job just need to continue to do the figures and you're going to have to come up with an operational plan based upon the information you have to the board of how you going to operator well and that's what we was talking about that property a while ago so you know we don't need a bunch of property that we have to maintain even if it's just cutting the grass but you know you can't leave these buildings unheated and all that we don't have much Choice and then another thing the legislator is trying to force County boards to make those buildings available to charer school charger schools and you know you just step on your own foot yeah and they're killing

125us now I mean what but anyway their best charer schools don't have to have certified teachers right no they do not they have to and they don't have to test no like public school who like and and they there's nobody over their curriculum and so if if they want all that then why don't they just take the regulations off us and let us run our school system well as a fair competitive Level Playing Field they should because what you're going to have you're going to have some good ones but you're going to have a awful lot of them is in in in profit and they're they're going to be online out of state in Ohio coming in here taking our State money basically what's gonna happen I mean I don't know what percentage but it's

126gonna happen they're doing it now regulations I mean like you know our central office staff yeah we I mean we have all these rules to follow we need these people to to um make sure that we are yeah they mandate that you have Personnel to do it they don't give you the money to pay for it they don't have any rules I mean far as I they don't have to accept everybody's thing they don't have to provide transportation they don't have to off have special education minutes they don't have to honor any of that so what you're what what you're saying to me is is we should vote to do away with the public Nicholas County public school system and become a private school system they don't have to money no rules no Rags they'll

127on run it as a public education running under their rules that Mak paper wouldn't it well we do have to go Personnel let's have a motion to GW the session to discuss Personnel that be our last topic right and that's our last topic yes I'll make that motion Mr Ferguson makes a motion for executive session for personnel second by Mr Barry all in favor I at 12:14 for