TCSD #1 Board of Education Regular Meeting - Nov 12 2025

001back to order at 601 um on um November 12th. The first thing we need to do is say the pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States and to the republic which stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> All right. Next, somebody um then Stephan's going to read uh Trustee Abrams is going to read something from our mission, vision, and values. Tonight I'll read what we value. We value students trust, kindness and respect, challenging standards, fairness and equity, resilience and perseverance, personal achievement. >> Yeah. >> Moving on to approval of the agenda. >> Madam chair, I move the agenda as presented. >> I second it. >> All in favor? I >> I >> opposed. Motion passes. We have moved on uh the superintendent report. Uh

002Dr. Fris. >> Madame Chair, trustees. Um I'd like to start this evening welcoming um Sarah Astrider to our district team as our new superintendent. >> Sarah will be our new superintendent assistant and obviously our trustee assistant moving forward. We're very happy to have Sarah um take over the reigns from Andrea. Um it's been a a heavy learning past couple weeks, but we are in stride. So, welcome Sarah to TCSD. >> Welcome. Thank you. We look forward to working with you. >> I'm going to turn it over now to Mike Hansen to um introduce a very special team. >> Thank you, Superintendent Chris. Madam Chair, trustees, thank you for the opportunity to uh recognize some of our student activities at at the meeting this evening. I'm going to turn it over to someone you've seen many

003times before and a number of athletes you've seen many times before, but this will be the first time you've seen them as the 4A girls swimming state championship. Thank you everybody. Thank you uh board trustees. Thank you so much for hosting us this evening. Dr. Chris, thanks for having us. Uh so if you don't know who I am, uh my name is Jim Jenkins. I've been coaching in Jackson for almost 30 years. Uh and it's my been my very distinct pleasure to coach this group of people. Uh let me introduce them uh from left to right. So we've got Amaya Olivieri. We've got Marshall, Abos, Indie Olivier in behind. McCulla Froak in the front. Harper Car in the back. Sophie Lambert in the back. She's going to wave. Anna Baxter right here in front. Ava

004I said Ava McIntyre right here. Paulina Salina in the middle. Uh, we've got um Isa Romela in the back. We've got Lucia McGee right here in the front. We've got Lucille Lambert in the back. We've got Dalia Leone uh here in the front. We've got Ellie um Baker in the back. We've got coach uh Ran Eastman who is um the assistant coach of the year for the state. And then we've got Beta Halen uh here in the front as well. Um so we start the season off uh with high expectations because it's a very very talented group. Uh and a lot of times uh it's not it's not uncommon for teams to kind of crumble under the pressure of success. Uh and let me just tell you a little bit about this team. So uh

005for the rec center pool, we set six pool records. At away pools, we set seven pool records. We set four of our own varsity meter records. We set four of our own varsity yard records. We set seven conference records. We won conference by 105 points. Uh we have the Nancy Nakahara profile encourage uh uh award recipient through Makola Rob um and we won state by 34 points uh and we won seven of the 12 events at state. So this group uh it like they just rose to the expectations uh that we were hoping for the whole entire season. They worked their butts off the whole year uh and it's been awesome. So um thank you again for having us. Really appreciate it. Thank you Dr. Chris. Um, and thank you everybody. [Laughter] One thing that

006I think we should at least talk about is this is coach Jenkins 11th state championship as the head girls swim coach. It is possible this is the last time we will see him up here. He's considering not coming back as a head coach next year. Still coaching and be not in the head coaching role. So, thank you coach Jer. Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. [Music] Dangerous respond. All right, Madam Chair. Um, going down the list here, I did want to um attach uh to the agenda um a written statement that I put together actually last month during October. Um, this was sent out to all staff in addition to families on the importance of building connection in regards to preventing bullying behavior. Um, October is National Prevention of Bullying Month across the country. Um,

007this is something that obviously schools are focused on in regards to bringing kids together. I say this because in in the written document that's attached um there's a highlight in there around national researching underscoring the importance of peer-to-peer learning and the the power of peer-to-peer learning to prevent um unwarranted behavior. As you look in the district leaders report tonight, you will see examples of that littered throughout um our schools. In particular, I'll call out one example. Um Carrie Barber, the principal of Coulter um is initiated a program with Jackson Hall Middle School students and Matt Heler. Those AVID students go down to Coulter and work with kids directly in a peer-to-peer model. These are the examples we want to see. students working with other students and teaching other students. And it is definitely one of

008the more powerful things to prevent unwanted behavior. So I wanted to bring that to your attention as you read through some of the district leader report stories. The principles spend a a good bit of time putting those together for the trustees. The last item I'm going to have is a per Trudeau please come up for a moment. Um, as the trustees know, we wrapped up our fiveyear peer um, accreditation process a couple weeks ago. Although it's not just a two-day event, it took many, many months of planning. And I'd like to thank P once again for her service to the district on helping us prepare. >> Thank you. Um, just a quick update to let you know where things are. Um the the final report will be delivered to us by the end of November

009from Joel D'vorak and the WDE team um with some specific recommendations and highlights. Um but I just wanted to kind of give um highlight a few key points that we did hear and many of you were able to listen to the presentation either in person or online. But one of the things that I think was really great was that there was positive feedback from all of the school visits and they just wanted to highlight classroom culture um with teachers and students really feeling welcome at their school. So that's a huge celebration for all of us. Also a lot of um recognition for um district and school leadership and really highlighting all the hard work that we've done on our MTSS system. So those are all big group efforts that have combined the efforts of ed

010services as well as principles and coaches. So I just wanted to highlight those. They did make some recommendations that you'll hear more about when specifics around safety and communication and the website. So, um, that will be available to review hopefully by the time we have the December board meeting and we can go into more details. Any questions? >> Thank you very much for leading the charge. >> Thank you. >> The next item of the superintendent reports is the district leaders report. >> Anybody have any questions about the district leaders report? I no questions. So, thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> We'll move on to reports and items for discussion. Uh, first up is the student schoolboard member report. Okay. So, we sent out a survey to the middle school basically asking like sustainability

011questions. It's kind of like recycling that they do around school and just knowing if they're aware or even know what recycling means to them or is around in their school. And we only got response from the middle school so far, but we hope to get the high school responses soon. >> And we think it's going to be really interesting to be able to compare the statistics in the middle school and the high school, especially around the transportation sections, just to see how they change pretty dramatically. Um, yeah. >> Um, so the like uh the first question we asked was like are recycling bins easy to use and find? And um um 80.3% of the people said yes and 10.8% of the middle schoolers said no. And then when we asked them like do you use

012reusable bag or like containers instead of like throwing away like um plastic things 52.5% said yes and 40.6% said sometime. Um, and we also asked the middle schoolers uh what their main mode of transportation was to get to school. And it was obvious the majority of the people were riding the bus. And that's definitely one of the places we want to see how it changes when we include JHS as well. Um, and we also asked them sorry the first practice I think. Well, that was the main one from that side. >> Sorry. >> Oh, yeah. Sorry. Choice of transportation. Yeah. >> And then I think there's one about recycling and using a water bottle. I think it's the third or fourth one. Okay. Yeah. So, we asked students if like they use a recyclable water

013bottle and if they recycle at home or at school and the majority of them said they do use a reusable water, which was a great takeaway I feel like. And the only thing that was like I feel like we could improve is like a majority of them I think I don't know if it's the last one or the third one. >> What is it? >> It said they knew where the recycling bins were. >> Yeah. 10% of them said they didn't know where to recycle in their school. Um, so one of the things we definitely want to work on is trying to make it more accessible, easy for everyone just to know where they are. >> I feel like sometimes people know where the recycle bins, but they don't necessarily take the time to like

014read the labels and like see where stuff goes. Maybe maybe like trying to enforce that. Yeah. And they like some of like the feedback we also got was that like they didn't they wanted like recycling bins outside just in case someone bought like trash from outside that they could easily have like an accessible place to put >> yes. Um and then we had the student senate on October 15. We had our first student senate meeting with um K through five and we assisted and supported students in grades uh K through I mean 5 to 12. Um and then we participated in activities about um connection and inclusivity and then we also um thought about long-term ideas on how we can implement connection into um every school. week and our next steps for the following meetings

015or in the future is just to get the high school responses hopefully soon and then brainstorm some ideas for K through five and how to bring awareness of our recycling sustainability and our next actions. We're trying to organize and implement some flex classes in the next couple months to teach people about how much their actions can positively affect the environment. We really want to focus on framing things as positives. And we've mentioned this, but um helping people with recycling bin locations. Another thing that we've heard is that we don't have to take lids off anymore when you're throwing bins away and making sure everyone really knows that just if it's a little bit easier, hopefully more people will. And we also were broadly thinking about maybe organizing some fundraisers especially for reusable containers because the

016statistic was that I think 55% of people use throwaway bags at school. So trying to figure out ways make those more accessible. Any questions? >> All right. Thank you very much. We appreciate report. >> Next up, fiscal management committee. >> Yes, madam chairman. We will turn it over to Kristen to jump right into it. An exciting month of recalibration and uh really exciting about recalibration and everything kind of fed off of that. So, >> thank you, Madam Chair and Trusty Scarlet. Uh the budget update is posted for your review. There's nothing surprising or out of the ordinary with the general fund budget update. Um there is one error just that percent consumed on the fiscal year to date revenue number is calculated incorrectly. Um, moving on to reccalibration, we had the October reccalibration meeting and

017in that meeting at the conclusion of the meeting, the recalibration committee directed LSO to draft a bill that included the adoption of the evidence-based model, which is the consultants model um with uh the direction to uh draft that all school districts should move to the state health insurance plan. Uh and we'll talk about health insurance a little bit more down in the agenda. Um the summary here of all of the directives are posted. Um most of you know as that bill gets created the bill will be um presented at the January meeting. That will be the final meeting for recalibration and then they'll vote on it there and if it passes the recalibration committee it'll go on to the appropriations committee and then from there um we'll start probably getting um changed and modified uh

018for the February session start date. Is there any questions? I mean, I'm happy there's so much in recalibration. I'm happy to answer questions or I can give a quick summary. >> Anybody have questions? >> Trusty Grey, >> just real quick, um, nobody did anything with RCA. >> Well, the, um, the evidence-based model adopts the hyonic wage index. Um, Lori Taylor presented a rebased hydonic wage index, which would take our RCA from 170 down to 148. Um following the meeting, uh Trusty Scarlet and I have been working through at the end of the the meeting after they directed Ellis to draft the bill, Chairman Salazar with um Representative Yin asked for us to work with them on how they can address an outlier like Tucson County in the model. And so what they were looking for

019was a proposal to address somebody that doesn't fit in the hydonic wage index or somebody who doesn't fit in with the standards and all of the averages in the in the funding model. Um Trusty Scarlet and I brought forward two proposals to Representative Yen. One based on uh the fair market values HUD or fair market rents through HUD and the other one based on the housing column in the Wyoming cost of living index report. Um, Representative Yen liked the WCLI uh proposal a little bit better. So, basically what that would do is it would take it would it would say, okay, this is what the hydonic wage index is funding us for, and this is the percentage over um the state average for housing that Teton County is. That percentage ends up being about 125%

020once you take out where the Hadonic wage index already funds us. and then doing a housing cost adjustment. So something similar to like Y DOT's monthly stipen for housing. Uh Representative Yian really liked that. He asked for us to well he asked for me to reach out to um Larry Pikus who's a consultant that the state has hired. Uh I worked through it with Larry Picus. He thought it was a great idea. We then met with Chairman Salazar, Representative Yen and Larry Picus to just present the idea. Now it's to Larry Picas and Lori Taylor to work through the numbers with LSO and then they'll report back to Chairman Salazar how much that will cost and if they can add it into the >> Madam Chair just when we when director may have mentioned the

021RCA going from 170 to 148 >> under the hydonic that's not to set off the alarms because part of that whole calculation is moving that state starting salary um step one lane one which is we're going to just use round numbers are not exact but it's $40,000 statewide and then you do your RCA they are talking about significantly raising that starting number somewhere between 60 and 70,000 and so then that adjustment that's only 148 >> isn't dramatic >> and that's for teacher salaries only >> that's teacher salaries only >> so Then, you know, we have to look and see, okay, well, if they change the regional cost adjustment, increase teacher salaries, then what do we do with all of the rest of the positions in the district? And that's hopefully where the HCA can come

022in. But then Dr. Christina Stoddard also did an amendment to the reporting, which they've also recommended the adoption of that um addresses most of the other salaries in the model. There are a handful of positions, three to four positions that are kind of left out of the calculation that aren't rebased, that don't have an increased salary. And that's where, you know, we're trying to say, okay, how can we make sure that um everybody stays whole in this process? No matter which way the legislature goes, we expect that teachers will get a pretty significant increase next year um even if they don't pass the bill. But what do we do with the rest of the budget? And that's what we're trying to address at the HCA. >> Christiey's >> and um with the hadonic there they

023are going to change things like the number of miles you are from Yellowstone is out. >> Um there was a Walmart calculation how far from you remember you were this year >> but I think that number's away because of Amazon and the revolution. And so, um, we'll see. The problem is is none of us know. It's like that Saturday night skit. Nobody knows. >> Uh, Lori Taylor hasn't opened up um her books and shown us the secret sauce yet. >> So, >> and I don't think that she will. Larry Pas, who's the head consultant, um, I asked him if I could see how she got to her hadic wage index, and he said it's so confusing, not even I can understand it. So, >> madam chair, two things. Um, one is, so it used to

024be you got to pick one of the three, hold harmless, WCLI, or hydonic. Yep. >> I assume that's going away. Is the hold harmless going away, too? >> Yes. >> No way. >> In the in the bill that they're directing LSO to create, it's only the Hedonic W. That's the only regional cost adjustment in dips that they're using. And >> I guess my second question to you is um you mentioned that you might use the housing statement that that state employees use in Teton County as a as a as an assistant for coming up with your formula, but we're not moving to a housing. >> It it's similar to that. It it it's just a similar idea to that. The way that I drafted the proposal is we take out um so basically I take

025the average cost of living for housing in the state, which is about 93.8% 8% Teton County was at 242 in the second quarter, fourth quarter 2024 report. The new um the second quarter 2025 actually was published after I done this calculation, but our uh housing actually decreased by about 5% and I think that that's a result of some of the affordable projects that have been built coming online because it's based on rent. So like Jackson Street Apartments. Um, so you take that housing number, subtract like the state average, and then um you there's a window, right? So if you go between 75% and 125% of the state average, we're 125% above that top number, >> but you'll still take the money as a block grant. >> That it will be out. It's proposed to be

026outside of the block grant, but as a reimburseable expense. So then as we pay it out, we would ask for that reimbursement in the following year from WDE. >> But when we pay it out to our employees, we make sure that it is inside the salary column. >> No, they do not want it to impact Wyoming retirement. >> Okay, so this is my this is going to be my big issue. Yeah, I'll just throw it out there. This is a disaster for our employees because this is what state employees in Teton County have had to go through and it's it's an awful mess because it sounds good like hey we're going to pay your salary and then we're going to pay you a housing stipen. the housing stipen does not count toward your retirement, right?

027>> So, you have a lot of state employees here in Teton County, but that because they've been earning this salary all these years, but they've been receiving very large housing stipens that did not count toward their retirement. It's one of the reasons the county in the town talked about housing stipens and have always resisted it because if you're ever going to give any type of increase to your employees, you always want it to be in the salary column so that it'll be counted toward their retirement because if if you're getting extra money and it's not in that column, retirement won't count it. So, it won't go toward your pension. And and what's happening is almost all state employees once they retire here in Teton County, you have to move. You just have to. Um that's

028the concern I have is that um that that I get it that we're going to get more we're going to get the same amount of money, but I think it's going to extremely I'm going to use that word extremely adversely affect all of our employees in Teton County School District that that they this will not be a good deal for them. I don't disagree with you. Um I think that and and maybe we need to discuss it further on the board. Um if they adopt the evidence-based model as directed to be put in the bill, that would be worse. >> Totally agree with you. I'm just saying whatever model you're coming up with because they want us to come up with a model for the anomaly, that model, the money, the extra money has got

029to go into salaries, not into a separate stipen of any type. >> I agree. They would they would not accept that proposal. It this was a specific thing that they're worried about. I mean, this was talked about. Um, I think Chairman Salazar and the Senate side are trying to get this bill passed and there's a a lot of representatives on the House side that don't even think Teton County should be addressed as an anomaly. Um, you know, so it's I agree with you. It's not best case scenario, but it's something and we're trying to work with what we're presented with. Um, we can we can advocate against it. Uh, we got a long ways to go. This was a the way I understand it, it was going to be the base salary plus the RCA,

030which is the 148. >> Mhm. And then on top of it, for those instructor, teachers, employees that live in Teton County, reside in Teton County, would get this additional housing statement to help offset their costs. It, you know, North Lincoln 2 um is on our heels, is going to be having a very similar problem in the next five years. they're going to be the next economy with our overflow. And so it's something >> and we did do an analysis. One of the things that they asked for was a historical analysis of this HPA. So I went all the way back to 2002 forward to the 2024 through 2024. And as you work through each report, the second and fourth quarter every year, you can see different counties are popping in and out of this. And

031so so what they asked for was something that would work for all counties that become an anomaly that eventually you might have more more districts that that fall into this category. >> So I mean it's I just think we need to come up with a better strategy. when I see I mean the town and county have been very good about resisting this and and when they've had to increase um salaries they do it through the salaries because they've gotten the concept don't do it through a housing stipen because it adversely affects your your pension for your retirement and I don't think it's actually going to affect teachers who it's really going to affect are those paraprofessionals secretaries administrative staff because I've seen it with state employees. What you you see when you actually pull up

032their >> um what they're being compensated, it's a flip-flop. >> The salary is dramatically less than the benefits. >> And so you'll see this huge number for benefit and a small number for the salary. And and and to the employee, that's okay because that's income coming in. They're like, "Oh, that's great." But what they don't realize is that when they go to retire, there's not a high pension there because all that money they were receiving in their paycheck um did not go to applying toward their pension amount. And so now they have a a a difficulty even retiring. >> Um that that's my concern is that that other the other local governments structures in this community has resisted this. I thought we had been resisting this. We had pushed for years that whenever the RCA

033was changed, it was placed on the salary column. Uh so I think we need to and I and I get Mike's on this committee. I think we need to bring in Andrew and some others and say, "Hey, we need to we need a different strategy here." Um same amount of money. So it can be the I mean, this is what's unique to the legislature. It's the same exact amount of money. I just need to put in a different column so that it applies to the retirement. >> Yeah. And I think one of the things that we'll have to address with with another proposal is that the legislative body, at least the recalibration committee, um doesn't they understand the challenges that we have and they understand that nobody's actually able to purchase a house in Teton

034County um unless you're very lucky at this point. And so I think in their minds, one of the things that we're battling is that none of these people are going to be able to retire in Teton County anyway. So when they're looking at the amount of retirement that the employees at Teton County are earning, um they're going to be moving to Sheridan and and so that that word equity came up quite a bit or they're going to be mo moving to one of those other communities where their retirements aren't as high because of our cost of living, but our people aren't retiring here. And and it's just one of the things that we'll have to address as we start to go through this process. >> Thank you. I didn't mean to go somewhere. Anybody else?

035>> Madam Chair, has there been any update on health insurance and what the state's looking at or anything that you guys have heard? >> So, in the um Thank you, Trusty Bosch. In the uh bill, in the evidence-based model, they have directed LSO to draft that all districts will be enrolling in the state health plan as of July 1st, 2027. Now, the state health plan right now, they have one school district that that means they'll be bringing on 47 school districts if this passes next spring. That's a concern. They'll have to at least double the size of their staff. Um, so I think it's something that we need to be aware of as we move through the next couple of months and is it something that we want to try and get in when we

036have seasoned staff that can help us enroll rather than um a brand new team that may not be as experts in the process. >> So if I hear you, you're saying suggesting we might want to do this sooner than later. We might uh the drop dead date for you all to decide that would be the February meeting. >> Thank you. >> Welcome. >> Anything else from Thank you. >> Educational Service Committee. >> Good evening, trustees. Madam Chair, u Megan Fouch, director of ed services, and I just wanted to point you to the um very engaging, very rich discussion we had at ED services um last month about um two really exciting developments. One is our expansion of the workbased learning program. And during that meeting, we discussed all of the new developments with community partnerships

037and the increased opportunities that we have for students. And the second topic was the expansion of our college and career um diploma pathways. and we had a great discussion with the um high school admin team and talked about why this is really a student- centered approach. And I love um what trustee Dornan brought up previous meeting about more personalized really student- centered learning that it's very evident in our priorities and this is really in line with the that that really initiative that we are expanding opportunities for students and supporting them where they are and providing more post-secondary opportunities. Um, so what I'd like to do is just open it up for questions if you have any questions about the summaries or the attachments. Um, or if there's any other additional information you would like. Uh,

038we also have principles um, Lieberman and Trudel available for questions. Any questions? Megan, just because this is sort of a bigger deal than I think maybe >> Oh, I'm sorry. And I would like to open the floor to Trusty Gingry and Trusty Dornan to talk about additional >> I'm just saying it's a little bit of bigger deal. Can you >> because I think we're going to come back next month and start voting on this. >> This is a pretty dramatic change. Maybe you or Annie could go through what the change is going to be in more detail. >> Absolutely. >> Principal Lieberman, would you like to come up or or Annie Kavinko can also come up to discuss the changes in the course offerings? >> Do you have the document? >> I do. that has

039we put up the two uh pathways side by left on this. Yeah. Up there for all the trustes to see. >> Great. Sarah, this is the um the attachment that says college and career diploma pathways. >> You're at the bottom of the screen. >> Yes. >> Perfect. Okay. Um trustees, madame chair, um the high school's proposal um is is to create an additional diploma pathway for students as they travel through their 9 through 12 journey. If you look at the box on the left of this document, you'll see that's our current pathway aligned pathway and it is a a fairly exclusive academic 4year college pathway for students to travel through the high school. One thing you'll notice about it is that um there are four years of math and four years of science that are

040required. Teton County School District is the only school district in the state of Wyoming that requires four years of science and four years of math. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. What what I would say is that um for students who might be on a more career oriented pathway, um it's very restrictive for them. they're not able to take certain courses that might be far more applicable to their futures because they're tied in to the academic requirements of the of the pathway aligned pathway. Um the recommended additional opportunity is what we call the career pathway. Um and what it is is a different credit distribution. Instead of taking four years of math, four years of science, and seven and a half electives, um the credits would be redistributed to a career in teched focus

041on their path through high school. So that they would have to be required to take four CTE courses. On the halfway aligned pathway, the requirement is only one. Our proposal would be to require students to take four career in teched, which would force them into a pathway where they would be exploring um career options while they're in high school that they would not be able to explore because of the academic restrictions of the pathway pathway. Um, embedded in those four CTE credits would be one work-based learning credit and one financial literacy requirement. The financial literacy course is a course that we don't currently offer, but we um are very excited to get off the ground. We think it's really important. It would not be exclusive to the students on this pathway. We would hope more

042students at the high school would be taking that course. um that would then lower their electives to 6 and a half from 7 and a half. And of course um the work-based learning would be a requirement. So within their four CTE credits um one work-based learning opportunity or experience, the financial literacy course, and then they would be able to choose the other career and teched courses with their guidance counselor that they would that they would like to take. Um, you're not locked into a pathway. You're a you're a first semester junior. You think you want to take the get on the career pathway. You take a couple of extra CTE courses in the first semester of your junior year. In the second semester or before your second semester starts, you can go back to your

043guidance counselor and say, you know what, I I think maybe this isn't the right pathway for me. I want to get back on the other pathway. Um obviously for students that would um opt into the career pathway we would require a meeting with them, their guidance counselor and uh and their parent and so that everybody would be on board. There would be a document that would be uh signed by all parties just saying we understand what this means in terms of their future coursework at the high school. Madam chair, you don't mind if I just add to what Bennett just said. Um, just so everyone knows sort of how we got here because we had a long talk with uh uh Trusty Me was at this meeting and and Trusty Doran and I were asking

044Trusty Me why was this decision made originally? And so so here's what happened. um when the legislature created the Hathaway scholarship which pays for kids to go to school at the University of Wyoming or any community college in university in Wyoming. Um and and there's different levels of the Hathaway in order to qualify for the halfway scholarship. That is what you have to do. You have to do the four of math and the four of science. That that's the distinction here. It's the math and the science that you're looking at. And so what most school districts did and and Miss Kenika did a great job of actually she went and got us all the different ones from all the different school districts so we could sort of look at it and um and so like

045Park County and Fremont and all of them. What they all did was say, "Okay, we're going to keep our same um requirements and then we're going to add that if you want to do halfway, you know, this is how you get your halfway." But they kept their require. What we did here was we changed our requirements. And when I say requirements, it's what you have to do to graduate from our high school. We adjusted it to the Hathaway aligned pathway. So if you graduated from our high school, you qualified for Hathaway scholarships. In some school districts, you would graduate, but you didn't have enough math or science, so you don't actually qualify for the halfway. That was fine for many kids because they were like, "Well, I wasn't planning on doing the Halfway scholarship." That's

046why ours is aligned with Hathaway. You don't have to be aligned with Hathaway. What they'll still do, so now we're going to have potentially two requ two pathways of requirements in order to graduate. either you do the halfway aligned, if you do that and can graduate, or you do the CTE pathway, you can graduate. There's other pathways you can take that are not required. So, like one of the things Miss Kavinka did that we were asking her to do that she had already done, there are pathways to show to a kid, hey, if you're wanting to go to an Ivy League school, this is the pathway you should be taking. It's not required, but it helps people to plan their schedules. Same concept here. If you're planning on trying to get into the University of

047Wyoming, and the reason you would go to the University of Wyoming, is we pay for it. Severance taxes. That's why it's named after Stan Athaway. He was the man in 1974 that invented severance taxes. We take those severance taxes in the permanent middle trust fund. We take that money and we pay for you to go to school. Um, and so the concept is is that if you pay for a kid to go to school in Wyoming, they will stay in Wyoming. If the kid leave, the statistics show if kid goes to school outside of the state of Wyoming, they never come home. They just don't come back. And so the concept was how do we keep kids in Wyoming? You keep kids in Wyoming by having them go to the University of Wyoming or one

048of our community colleges. How do you do that? You pay for it. So pathway kids do that. What Miss Kavink has come up with is and and a lot of it has to do with we were having a lot of discussions in the last few years and then uh Trusty Bosch brought it up more recently. Um why are we having so many kids with credit recovery? Um and and one of the reasons and you'll see it is the credit recovery is happening in math and science. You potentially don't have as many um uh credit recovery issues going on if you have the CTE uh pathway. So those kids know, hey, I have no intention of going um on to college or I have a different plan. I'm going to do the CTE uh pathway. And

049all it means the distinction is I only need to do three of math, not four. Three science, not four. That's the big distinction. And then on the CTE, those extra credits you're going to do on the CTE side, that four there. Uh what we talked about at our committee, we talked about this for probably an hour. This was a long conversation. Um this is this is big. I mean, this is a big change. Our school has always sort of been, hey, we have these really high standards to graduate from our high school. And the question we we sort of banded about, trusty Dornan and trusty me and I, was that's great. Let's keep those high standards, but can we have other pathways so that kids aren't having to do so much credit recovery where they

050had no intention of doing four years of math because they're not ever going to do anything in life that was math related. So that's why there's this this new pathway. What we talked about in committee is that this would come back in December is it's a policy change. We would vote on it in December and you got to wait a month. So you'd see it again in February. We'd vote again on it in February. by voting on it in February. That gives um the high school time to um what do you guys call it when you >> forecast >> to forecast with all the kids for fall semester for next year. Um so it's a pretty tight schedule and so today was sort of just letting you know about the concept before we really debate

051it next month at the December meeting. Um but it it seemed like a really good idea, especially um uh principal uh Liberin's doing a great job of really expanding our CTE um um opportunities, >> pathways. >> Yeah. And you got the new air uh >> aviation, aerospace, >> um uh and others. Uh and we're building, you know, it sort of goes with infrastructure, too. we've gotten the money from the state to build four new classrooms for CTE. So, so we seem to be going down this path of we're building four new classrooms for CTE. We're creating this pathway for CTE. Um and um yeah, so that that's the whole story. >> Thank you. >> And Trusty Dorn had a lot to add to it at the meeting. She may want to add to it now.

052Yeah, I don't need to add it today, but um I'll say one thing. I've been reading a couple books on the history of high schools and CTE courses come in and out of favor depending on the marketplace. >> Yeah. And so I think we're seeing a new phase and that's why this very timely. >> Madam Chair, I would agree with that. And I'd also like to say I'd like to thank Trusty Bosch for being the uh the push and the initiative behind this conversation. >> Thank you. Any other questions? Christy, >> just so we all know, Principal Liber, approximately how many organ, how many kids do we have that aren't going on to college when they graduate? >> Um, I'd say a quarter of every graduating class, which means there's about 50 students that walk

053across the stage every June um that have no intention of going to a four-year college. And if I understand it from these new programs, they'll be actually able to get various certifications in whatever they want to if it's electrical or plumbing or things of that if once we get this going. Is that >> So when a student completes a career in teched pathway, um which means that they've completed two courses, say construction one, construction two, uh we give them what's called an IRC, which is an industry recognized credential. Um, so in that shop class, it would be an OSHA safety exam that they take. If they pass that IRC, um, a number of things happen for the student, they get to list that on their resumes. They get it to put it on an application

054for a college if that's what they're choosing to do. Um, for the district side of of that equation, it flips switches for both Perkins funding and state CTE funding. Um, this is the first year uh that I'm aware of in the history of the district that we've managed to get all of our CTE pathways Perkins approved, which means because oftentimes we're getting lots of money, but we can't spend that money where we want to because we don't have enough students that have done the pathway in in say engineering or aerospace or whatever it may be. So, we have greater flexibilities right now and we're receiving greater allotments of both federal and state dollars. >> Thank you. >> Any questions? Comment. >> Um, thank you. Um, Principal Liverman, I'm I'm not as familiar with the Perkins

055funding um and not as familiar with the CTE funding. Do you mind sharing that? So, Pear, come help me. Um, >> I'm very curious to learn more. >> All federal dollars that are geared towards career and teched funding at the high school level come through a program that's called Perkins. Um, so when you hear that, when you hear the word Perkins, you just think you uh trades, shops, >> CTE. Um, and those dollars are highly restrictive. So, if you don't have students that are completing pathways, we are reporting that to the state. And when we get funding, we are not allowed to spend that money on those pathways that we don't have students completing. Is that accurate? >> Yes. You passed that test. >> I passed that test. Um, my guess is is that >>

056listen to me. Perkins. Perkins was either a senator or a congressman in in Washington and this was named after him just like Hathaway was named after the the person in Wyoming that created that program. Um maybe you could better explain the connectivity between the state funding and the federal funding. >> So I Kristen has the percentage. I do not have the percentage off the top of my head, but there is an allocation that is calculated a percentage of funding that is CTE directed within the funding model that increases the more pathways and IRC's that we have. So the more concentrators that we have and CT pathways, the more funding we get from the state for that CTE piece. And now she's going to come up >> and I >> this is a team effort. But

057for for me the bottom line is like the gun boarding class which has become really popular. It's really expensive. The materials that that I have to purchase for that program um for the class of like 17 students the expense was close to I think $10,000 this year. We would like >> gun boarding um the students are making longboards and and snowboards. >> Okay. Um because that pathway, the wood shop pathway is now Perkins approved because we had enough students complete it last year. I have funding that I wouldn't have otherwise to potentially expand that program. >> So, one of the changes that the legislature made last year in our block grant is they actually pulled the CTE funding outside of the outside of the block grant. Um, so they're they're tracking this and they're measuring

058it. One of their concerns is that districts were taking in CTE funding and not spending it on CTE classes. So now that's actually coming outside of the block grant. It's still calculated within that WD 100, which is the report that I fill out. Um, but if you if you don't spend that money on CTE, we have to send it back to the state. And now they're really diving in on on tracking that because it's a big push at the legislature right now to incorporate more CTE pathways and um options in the state. >> Does that help? >> Thank you. Um I'm curious, could you somebody send to us what all qualifies as a CTE course? maybe what we're offering now, but then also what's offered in the rest of the state that we could potentially

059add to our course offerings. >> Absolutely. Just curious to see what's out there. >> Um what we don't offer that's out there are all the trades. >> Okay. like small engine repair, plumbing, welding, electrical, all of those trades that you need specific spaces to be able to offer. Um, but we can send the course catalog and the course descriptions of our CTE courses. >> And with this funding that is available, the Perkins help the school help you fund for offering some of those? >> Yes. Okay. Is is that uh contingent on getting the high school expanded? >> Yes, >> Trusty Scar. I um to uh go off of what Senator or what Susky Abrams said. Senator Wow. Um put together a list and I think he asked for >> bunk list for if I understand

060you need a startup. Okay. >> And a wish list. We can always come up with a wish list. >> No, no, but I mean like the ide [Music] >> but then it gets reimbured a year later for Perkins. the number of accidents that actually >> please hold on to the handrail to help start program. So you can use that funding for up to two years to kickstart a new program um once we have more opportunities to decide what we're going to do with those. >> So that is that's the one nice thing. It's like seed money. Um, and then there are also when you receive grants, what it does is it opens up other TE grant funding from the state that we have not qualified for in the past because we we declined Perkins for

061a while for lots of political reasons. Um, but now that we're back in it, um, we will be able to apply for those grants as well. And those are also um, a lot of startup grants as well as professional development. So if we need to train um any of our teachers on a specific component um I know that this last summer the gone boarding training also happened right and we sent another CTE teacher for training. So sometimes those startup training costs are also a place where we can get more funding. >> So I mean just don't be afraid to throw dollars at what it costs to startup because I think it'd be um some good fundraising opportunities >> our district. Um I I do have a question and um this is a little bit more

062granular, but at what point in a high school career would a student technically declare which pathway they were going? I understand there's some flexibility, >> but would everybody go in for a year or two thinking they could do either, but they were going to check off a certain curriculum and then choose. And then I guess my second and follow-up question to that is it seems like because it sounds like you these students will be meeting with families and counselors and that kind of stuff. And I'm just thinking I I'm totally supportive of this idea, but I just think about the bandwidth of our counselors and being able to really lean in the students and you know I don't you know if it adds to their workload or not but what how was that how will

063that affect? I I don't think it will add to their workload. They're they're already leaning in with these students and families and those conversations are already happening um during the forecasting process. I think it'll create a a great sense of relief for them because they're going to actually be able to counsel a student in a certain direction with with uh an end goal in mind as opposed to telling them they have to go into a credit recovery class again. And to your other question, it basically after your after your sophomore year, the the ideal time to kind of finalize that pathway. Um, but I also just wanted to add on the credit recovery piece. Um, so let's say you didn't pass algebra 1B, instead of having to recover a whole year's worth of math in

064three weeks, you have the opportunity and that to actually retake the course. And when we think of some of these ma essential math skills, I think that is a much better place for some of our students to feel successful and then experience success in their next math class. Because what we see and what we're worried about is when you're in that credit recovery cycle, it's really hard sometimes for some of these students to to to get their way out because they're now working on their next math class and their next science class. So, it's just another support system and another pathway. >> Christy Bosch. >> Um, I was going to have a question, but P just answered. >> You know, I read your mind. >> I'm just I think this I'm going to just then

065make a comment. this getting kids excited about learning and doing these things and getting them off of computers sitting there taking multiple choice questions for credit recovery is why this is just incredible. Thank you for answering that was what the question I was going to ask you get people off. The other thing is is the I asked this question about onboarding you know the class understand that Bennett had to explain there's there's math there's science there's all these things that are this isn't just some you know vacation class this is I mean these kids are doing amazing stuff with this and uh you know who knows maybe the next founder of Ignous or some ski company will come out of this because that to me it's not just a a easy way to uh these

066classes are not as you've explained to me. I don't know if you want to add to that because they're not simple. >> I the only thing I would add is I think it's really important for all all of us to understand it may be a different pathway but it ends at the same diploma. It's the same diploma and I think that's important. >> Yes. >> Anybody else? >> Thank you. Thank you. Anything else, Megan? >> Okay. Thank you. >> All right. I think that moves us on to other reports. >> All right, Madam Chair, trustees. Um other reports. Um I'll get us started in this section. Um linked on the agenda. Um sir, if you can There we go. you will see a couple proposals for 26 27 and 2728 school year. Um these are

067our first look together as a whole board. Um and opportunities to discuss um some thoughts on these. Um just some nuts and bolts for you to keep in mind. Um the days for teachers remains consistent. Um at 187 um there are 175 student days. There are 10 inservice days. Um on the two proposed calendars you will see um flex Fridays and inservice days. And to avoid confusion, I just want to be clear um you do not see specific dates on the flex Fridays or inservice days and that's intentional. um we will get our athletic calendar um at the end of this month um and then we'll be able to negotiate where some of those dates can go based off high impact students absence dates. That's what we've done historically. Um and so this draft one,

068the reason it looks this way, the reason you don't have the specific dates for some of those unique Fridays is because we try to align them and be very careful intentional with those days. Um, a few other things. The format has changed to try to make it more reader friendly. We can also add other information that's relevant to parents on this type of format. There are some notes that I put for public review and trustee review as well. Um, I really I feel like in in regards to these two calendars, we did an extensive community review if you recall last year. Um, we re received a ton of feedback on surveys. I did not think it was warranted to do an additional community survey um, in regards to this structure because this structure is similar

069to this year. It's not there's not a fundamental change to the structure of the calendar. Other areas to bring to trustes attention is the winter break is slightly shorter on these 2-year calendars. That's simply a result of when um Christmas falls um on a Friday and actually in the next year it's on a Saturday. >> Typically what we've done historically is when that occurs we do have school in session that Monday or Tuesday of that week. There will be many different beliefs about that comment. But I will tell you at the end of the day the calendar only has so much movement you can make. You either go later in June or you start earlier in August. The other unique piece of the calendar this year is Labor Day. Labor Day is uniquely late um

070in this cycle. If you look at the calendars, it's down in September. I believe the 7th on one of them and the sixth on the other. Um and so we would start before Labor Day simply given the where it's placed naturally. Um we did have a lengthy discussion about Labor Day the last couple years with the calendar. The other thing I want to mention too publicly with the calendar is um I fully realize that it educationally it is very nice and if you talk to kindergarten teachers they would agree one year we were able to start with a a day three day four day five schedule to ease K kids into the system. Um it's difficult to do even though I try hard in reviewing these versions just because of where Labor Day lands. Um

071I do want to work with our K teachers and elementary principles and maybe something we can do within the schedule that allows for maybe some type of different approach for K kids as opposed to starting K kids with a straight fiveday start. I don't have that solved right now, but I know it's a concern um in terms of the the ye that that age group starting with five straight days. Um other things that will occur in the next two weeks, I'll take this to our um superintendent advisory council which meets on November 17th that is made of representatives of all over the district including teachers and non-teers. They will review can provide some feedback. The goal um just to be very straightforward with trustees is to bring something to you in December um and move

072forward with a decision so we can start planning um earlier this spring um for next year in terms of professional development. Stand for questions on the calendar. Um, Superintendent Chris, I have one question and either you or perhaps um, Trustee Scarlet would just touch on it because it's there and I think it needs to be put out in um, it says teacher day is dependent on state recalibration recalibration bill passage. Um, what is potentially the change? um potentially a red reduction of teacher days >> and that would so a reduction of teacher days would that then reduce school days as well? >> Yes. >> And is that being proposed in the in the bill that you've seen? >> It's not in the bill as we see yet recommend. It's not in not what they're asking

073for, >> but it always comes up. >> So another shot at the apple. as they try to do it >> legislatively. Okay, >> they uh so if you guys recall from the last legislative session last year, they had a bill that was proposed during the session um to it was like the summer preservation act and um while the evidence-based model does not recommend a decrease of student fees, uh it is floating out there as a conversation piece and very well could once the bill is introduced to the session. Um that could be something that comes back. So, it we just want it on everybody's radar to be watching it. >> And so do I. Depending on how you feel about it, if you make your voice heard, um, anybody else have questions on the calendar.

074All right. Um, next report is oh uh WSBA delegated. >> Yeah, Madam Chair, trustes what I have um attached for you is the uh advocacy areas the WSBA is going to be focusing on in 2026. In addition to those advocacy areas, there are um three resolutions that will be voted. I got two papers here. Will be voted on November 19th at Casper at the conference. Um we would need one representative to vote on behalf of TCSD. Those three resolutions are outlined in the attachment. um they basically if you read over those um they're really personnel related. Two of the three are personnel related and then the other resolution is the continuence of special education full reimbursement. Um so again special ed two personnel issues. I'd encourage you to take some time to um glance over

075those resolutions so you have an idea of what they will be um voting on and then bringing to um the legislative session. >> Is who is um planning is anyone planning to attend the um conference? >> I am. >> Anybody else? >> Would you be willing to be our delegate? >> Uh sure if that's all right. >> Excellent. Thank you. Yes. >> It'll it'll be good. >> Yep. I'm I enjoy it. >> And looking over, Madam Chairman, looking over um these items for consideration. I don't have any problem with either of those or these three main items or the other general advocacy agenda. That's the big one. If anyone has comments, please send them to me. the advocacy. >> Your plan is to vote yes on all three. >> My plan would be to vote

076yes on all three. Okay. >> Unless someone has an issue or would like to discuss? >> No, they seemed fine to me. >> All right. Um, moving on. >> Madame Chair, trustee Charlotte Reynolds from Capital Projects. Uh we'll start out our um capital project update with our transportation facility and um I will have Jason uh Burning provide the update for you. >> Thanks, Charlotte. Um good evening. Um Madam Chair and trustees, um in light of the busy agenda, I'm going to try and keep this short here this evening. This is the update for the work that's been done here in October and um looking into the next couple months. Um as you have you probably have seen um a lot of the work has been completed on the concrete foundations. Um we've done damp proofing

077which is the black part that goes on the exterior of the foundations and also interior of those foundations have been insulated um and backfilled. So moving forward into November um there's a lot of work happening in the underground slab work um a lot of plumbing. Obviously with it being a transit facility, there's lots of trench drains and a lot of underground mechanical and electrical that will get installed here in the coming weeks and everything is heading towards uh slab pore uh in December and then December January we start to see the structure coming up uh critically. Um next please. Just a few highlights. We continue to meet weekly um between ownership um Teton County School Districts and school facilities. We meet weekly to touch base on issues and action items. We also meet weekly as

078a team. We're starting now to meet here in a job site trailer uh with our architect Moulder and Orman uh to work with the issues in our uh owner architect contractor meetings. Um continue to be a push. I think I highlighted this the last couple months, but obviously a big push in procuring materials getting that ahead of long leave materials. So a lot of submitts and shop drawings have been getting uh reviewed and approved. Say we're about halfway through now. We're starting to get into more of the finishes that are later on on the project and getting those reviewed and approved. Um, SCG is our engineering um testing consultant who's been doing all the third party testing on concrete utilities and they'll continue to test and inspect um the structure. Um I think we can

079move on from there. I think we really just got a few pictures here to highlight. I'm not sharing all the slides, just kind of keeping this short here, but a few pictures to share. Um there's the foundation coming up. That's the the last uh forming of the concrete walls. Um moving on from there and kind of in progress here, you'll see there's the interior spray foam insulation. Um some intricate formwork that you see there on the left. Um and then moving forward, you'll start to see that area is being backfilled. Um next, yeah, so there it's getting backfilled. And uh the last slide is showing that area being is backfilled and we're getting to that time of year. We really need to protect the area from more moisture getting in the slab. So we'll continue

080to do that until that slab is poured. Um and yeah, we'll have more to report on in the coming months once we get into structure. There'll be more trades on site and more more to cover here. But um with that, I'll stop and open up for any questions. >> Any questions? >> No questions. Thank you very much. >> Actually, oh, Chelsea Dorton, >> do you have a lot of ground moisture? A lot of is is there are we in a a high water table where we are? >> We're not. We're not. Um, but when you get to this time of year, when you start to get freezing temperatures, the ground typically around here doesn't freeze till mid December. But you have to, as we start getting into freezing nights, you got to start managing the

081moisture going in, particularly into slab work because that moisture once we get past these warm days, it doesn't dry out so it has nowhere to go and can be problematic in getting compaction for for pouring slabs. >> We we just seem to be at a low elevation where we where you're building. Yeah. Um, we're fairly I mean I can't speak for all of town. There's definitely a high water table as you get behind the rec center in that part of town with Black Creek, right? But most of this part of town the water level is is fairly low. Um, and I don't know specifically, but hasn't been an issue especially because we don't have deep foundations or a basement, but good question. Yeah. >> Any other questions? Thank you very much. >> Thank you for

082your time. >> Thank you. >> Uh thank you trustees. Um uh the other projects I wanted to provide a a very brief update on um our 24 um unit um housing project. Um things continue to go really well. Um we had a sitewalk with some staff uh last week um where people were able to see um level one is at the punch list um stage. So project level one things are in pretty close to getting complete again just kind of going through punch list items touchup paint those sorts of things. Level two um installing appliances. Um level three is um currently being in uh being painted. Um so again project continues to move along really well. Construction has been just really great to work with and our um team at Hoy um architects has been

083tremendous as well. We will be scheduling some additional sidewalks um uh probably um around like the four o'clock time so that staff um who aren't able to come out during the uh regular school day would be able to come out and take a look at the project as well. Obviously um invite the trustees who um would like to come and see how things are going um to please just let me know and um I can make sure you have those dates as well. Um any um oh and then I just want to related to um our housing efforts um we have been having our housing committee um which is comprised of about 12 or 14 employees making really good progress on um developing a housing program um making decisions about rate structure and weighted sele

084you know selection process those sorts of things um and I anticipate having a recommendation from the committee uh for you in January um of what our housing program would look like for all of our housing units, not just the 24 units, but all of the housing that the district owns. Um so, any questions on housing? >> One question comment um with regards to the committee and the development of that. Um have you involved Sarah? Are you going to have her take a look at it and review it? the um the recommendation for >> yeah like whatever you guys come up with >> we can um madam chair we can uh trusty Bosch we can certainly um uh share that with legal counsel um uh legal counsel was involved in drafting the initial lease documents that

085we are currently using um so any updates to those would certainly go through um Miss Vanandrin >> and I guess sorry madam chair the followup question is we had discussed hiring a property management firm at some point in time to administer this and so is that part of these considerations as well? >> Um, Madame Chair, Trusty Bosch, uh, it is. I'm actually working on an RFP uh for uh property management services now and that would be part of um part of our overall process and I would anticipate uh bringing a um draft RFP to uh the board prior to the January meeting um so that we can keep keep those things moving along. Um I'm not prepared to say that movein would happen prior to July 1st, but we are making um really good progress.

086So, we want to make sure that when the project is nearing completion, we have all of our ducks in a row, all of our logistics figured out so that we can move ahead with um um uh moving people into um these new units. >> Anybody else? >> Um with uh if there were no questions on housing, moving on to the uh Jackson High School vestibule. Sarah, if you wouldn't mind pulling that up. Um we've been working with uh plan one architects uh team um from the high school um on basically implementing what was allowable under the most cost effective remedy study for the vestibule. Um and so I think we're we're in a good place with the design. Um and just wanted to bring it back to the board to share with you get any

087uh feedback that you may have. Uh but this design meets the square footage limitations that we have while also addressing um the just the functionality of um and workspace for um front office staff at the high school. So wanted to share this with you. Um if you have any questions or comments, we can take those back to um the design group and um make any adjustments recognizing that we're trying to really move this design along quickly so that we can come forward with a um construction um uh bid and bid and contract uh for you so that we can get um get this project underway. um in terms of um getting it built. >> Any other questions, comments? >> All right. >> Okay. Um and then the last project um with an update for this

088evening is the singleuse uh bathroom at Summit Innovations. We are working with the um contractor and architect to value engineer the project to better align with the um funds available from um the um state um or state facilities department um school um and so we're working through that. Jeremy Slater from SFD is also participating in those conversations so that we can um we can bring this project forward recognizing this was put forward as an emergency project because um as you all know with the legislative change last year um um summit is um not in alignment with the requirement to have offer a single-use bathroom. Um unfortunately because of the time it took to get the funding from the state and now where we are and the amount of time it's going to take to build

089it um we are looking at this project starting in June and taking approximately six weeks to complete. Again Jeremy Slater with the state is aware of that timeline and um is comfortable given the complexities that we had in bringing this forward. So um any questions on the summit bathroom? If we can back up to the high school. Um maybe this is more of a question for Principal Lieberman. Um if I'm understanding correctly, the attendant secretary is going to have to go down there. So she won't be at the office. I'm assuming she had other duties that now she won't be able to perform because now she's separated. Will she be down there by herself? Will there be others with her? Is this gonna are we going to have to hire another FTE to do the

090work that was happening back in the main office? I'm just curious about logistics of employees and how this is going to work with the separation between the employees. >> Absolutely. Um Madame Chair, Gingry, and I certainly invite Principal Limmerman to come up. We had a lengthy conversation about that topic. Um not wanting one employee to be separated from the rest of the uh front office. um staff. So we um the design accommodates um up to four people to work out um out in the new vestibial area. So that um again and we had a lengthy conversation um uh with with the architect and with Jeremy Slater that you know just in terms of how the team works that it was essential that that they're all out there together. >> Yeah. Our our obviously the primary

091goal is to create greater safety for the high school but just as important was maintaining the culture of our office which I think is really important. The original design that we got did not accomplish that and we we worked with them to redesign it so that we would be able to replicate hopefully the same positive culture we have with the current people that are working there in that space. to who you who you put down in the I don't know what you're call the auxiliary office or >> um welcome window >> who will be down in the welcome center. >> Um we haven't made final decisions on that yet. My hope is is that um there will be at least three people that are currently in the office there. So that you know would obviously

092be you know currently Nikki um Cesily and then Emily Lopez the translator. We think we've designed it so that it has space for a fourth and then that would be a discussion with Ryan and Mike and activities as to whether Cindy would go there as well. if give us an opportunity to redesign the main office um and create some more capacity around private spaces for counselors. Uh so there's an opportunity there. Um it will change the culture of how people are greeted and where people are at the high school. >> Is there any extra money that if we save money on this we can do the redesign at the main office? Uh, Madam Chair, Trusty Gingry, I think that's a great question and we will um have to see how our bids come in and

093how um how the discussion about the high school addition goes as well because um as a as a reminder to the board, the money for this project is actually part of our overall high school project. So, we'll have to take a look at how all of these things kind of work together. Okay. Thanks. >> I said want Cesley sit down. >> She won't. >> I don't either. >> Madam Chair, are there plans to move the SRO office? >> Um, Madam Chair, Trusty Bosch, at this time this is the um basically we're looking at this as the, you know, the front entry of the school. Um this space does not accommodate a um mo relocation of the SRO office um from its current location out to this front area. Um in terms of how the um

094how how it all works together will you know that'll certainly be a conversation and I should say um uh Deputy Roundy um has sat in on um some of the design conversations as well. So he is also aware of um the design what we're looking at and and he he provided some insight as well. >> I'm chair trustees trusty Gry I think we'll be able to to echo some words from Charlotte and we do have some money is uh the this capacity account that's made for retrofitting certain rooms like the front office that we >> pretty much could execute. You just have to like plan it out. It's a great point though. >> So, those were the only updates I had um for you tonight unless you have any questions. >> Any other questions? >>

095Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> All right, moving on to um the Fund for Public Education and their big news. Thank you, Madame Chair, trustees. Um, my name is Denny Stradley and as Madame Chair mentioned, uh, I'm excited to announce some big news tonight for the Fund for Public Education. Last week, the Secretary of State in the Wyoming Department of Education approved our name change to the Education Foundation of Jackson Hole. Um, this name change came after 7 months of research, stakeholder input, focus groups. Um, and they found that basically there was very little to none um awareness of what our organization does, uh, who we do it for and why we do it. and very little recognition and awareness of the name itself. So the recommendation was let's let's go back to

096being the education foundation and let's get intentional about the name and what we do. Um this year signals exciting change to that the name the brand the logo leadership. I'm two months into the position. Um we've added two new board members to um our board uh uh Margaret Bringham and Ryan Sheets. are the two that are coming on now. Um, with the change, we're getting back to a longstanding foundational um the long-standing foundational priorities of of students and meeting their basic needs um so that they can show up to school, stay in school, and be healthy and well. So, we're getting intentional about what we're raising money for and how we're I'm going to be focusing my time and attention. Um, next week that uh public announcement will be made. The press release will go

097out um about the new name change. It'll also be an appeal for those um who are still considering their year-end giving um to give to the education foundation. Um, and my hope is as we continue to move forward, um, I look forward to working with the school board more closely and working through strategic plans and those funding priorities and then of course um, continuing to work really closely with trustee Dornan and trustee Bosch who is who are our board leaons. So, thank you for your time and thank you for supporting us. You have any questions? >> Any questions? >> I don't have a question, but I'll make a comment. Um, if it's okay, is I want to applaud Jenny for the meeting we had. It was uh difficult but um I think that the focus

098on actually the mechanics the business side of things as much as we want to look at our goals I think that um in two months the leadership I've seen as far as redirecting us to a more focused mission as well as being focused on the financials and how we need to what we need to accomplish um in a short order is um commendable. It's it's great. It's great to see that. Um so, thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you for your support. Trusty Gingry. >> Yeah, I'm sure. Maybe just a question. Trusty Bosch. Um who else is on the board? >> So, uh Reed's on the board. I'm on the board. Uh Jen Bruno who was here wasn't she >> she had to believe uh Jennifer Zum Annie Baner >> Lynn and uh re Ryan

099Sheets >> and I don't >> Margaret Bringham and uh Lisa >> Lisa. So it sounds like you guys made some new decision. Um I was hoping you guys could explain it because I've gotten a call from the American Legion. And I got a call from two or three different providers all asking me why we were now charging a new percentage toward administrative fee. Sure. Maybe you could walk. I didn't know I didn't know what they talked about. >> Yeah. And it's not um at least Jenny can address it if I I can um I think give you the short answer is is it comes down to is that the uh education foundation I'm going to keep saying the fund so keep correcting me >> education foundation unfortunately with the way things were being run there

100was no consideration for the cost to actually administer all of these things and so um you know we would donations and contributions or whatever, but they were designated specifically this just this amount. But there was no consideration given to the overhead and cost to administer all these especially just the check. I mean, we need somebody we don't have that person yet, but just to constantly check on the scholarships and see are they getting them? Is the money getting there? Are they keeping up with what they need to do to do all these things? And so this is why I'm saying I I'm really applauding Jenny here because she has focused in on that and unfortunately we can't do this without having some fee charged. >> And what is that fee? >> Um so just to

101expand on on Trusty Bosch's comment, it costs us over $1,000 to admin administer each scholarship. So the fee is 15%. So, we're asking $150. Um, scholarships that are 5,000 or more are a fixed rate of $750. So, it depends on the the the award amount. But what we know year-over-year, and this goes back decades to even when I was in high school, some of these awards, American Legion being one, they have a lot of $500 awards. So, cost us $1,000. So, it really was a positive way for us to initiate conversations with a lot of our funders to say, does this still make sense? You've offered this scholarship for 40 years. Does it make sense for this to still be $500? What's your goal? And so, it really was the impetus to a lot of

102people to go back to the boards and really calibrate. And I've had some really positive conversations with many people and American Legion being one of them. And so I think it just it it it was a great way to have people start looking at something that they've never had to look at before. And for us, what quite frankly, it it is not sustainable for us to keep doing what we were doing. So to to really partner on what the true cost of these scholarship to administer them was from um Christine is our new um scholarship director and she's put a lot of time and attention into um some consistency and making sure that this program can not only be sustainable >> below 5,000 it's $150 flat fee over 5,000 it's $750 >> it's 15% up

103to 5,000 so 15%. So, for example, >> then if I go over five, >> then it's 750. >> 750. Okay. And if the question I got from the American, one of the other ones called me, their question was if they wanted to not use the education foundation, would the high school still um help them with their application process? >> No, you are opting out of that. And that's part of the communication that I shared with them is the part of what has has evolved many years since since the high school was administering this was you had separate separate applications for all of these scholarships. So with the evolution of of all of these processes and the investment we've made in the software, you have one application, the students have one application that can apply to

104many different scholarships. If you opt out, then you're essentially penalizing the student because then they have to have a separate application for each of those scholarships that opt out. >> No, this helps a lot. I I didn't I was getting these phone calls and I did not understand what was happening. This helps me a lot understand Yep. >> what was happening. >> Anybody else? >> Thank you very much. Thank you. I'm going to quickly talk about the state healthcare plan and the Whisb um options. So, Whisby is now an option for health insurance for the district because we rejoined WSBA. Uh we do not have a bid from them. we wouldn't be able to get a bid from them until the regular process. The state plan, the biggest difference between what the state plan offers

105and what we currently offer in the district is that um they pay so we would pay you can see the full match column. So we would pay this set amount for every single employee who elects health insurance um no matter which plan they opt for. And then the employee would pay the difference between the cost of the plan and the full match plan or the full match number. Everything else over the medical insurance is an extra cost to the employee. They can elect dental, they can elect vision, they can elect the ancillary plans and they can elect basic life. Currently the district pays 100% of medical, dental, vision and basic life. uh having these conversations year after year, I think uh we're all aware that we can't continue to fully fund the plans that uh

106we have offered. So, one of the options and one of the things to think about is do we in advance of potentially having to go to a state plan um if we modeled our current offerings after what the state plan is offering, it would cost the employees less and it would cost the district less. So, in advance of potentially being forced onto the state plan, we could offer something similar with four plan options. Um and and I ran some quick numbers and these are estimates. So if we tried and we only have one plan so I based this on our one plan and I matched it to the closest plan that they have this the district if we took our current plan and said okay we're going to do a similar cost structure a similar

107pay structure. uh it would it would save the district approximately about $2 million and the employee costs would be less annually than if we went to the state plan. If we go to the state plan, it would save the district about $1.4 million. So, it's about a $600,000 difference and the employees would c would pay a little bit more. The cost of that an employeeonly plan if we were to model after the state plan would be about $1,100 to $1,200 a year. On the state plan, it would be about $1,300 a year. So, it's a minor difference, but if if you all wanted to consider making a change to our current plan, knowing that ultimately this might be where we end up, um we could do that, offer more options. When we've talked about renewing

108the health insurance in the past, if we were planning to stay the course and try and manage our own plan and manage our premiums and try and keep our costs low, our current course of action is the right one. Now that the state is involved in what our choices might be, I don't know if that's changed anybody's mind. So, it's it's an option that's out there. I've done some calculations. We'll get this um sent out and shared with everyone, but I just wanted to give a little bit more information behind some of the decisions you'll have to make. >> Any questions for direct mail? >> Um, one question. There's a drop dead date when we have to make this decision with the state plan. What is that date? >> Uh, the February meeting. So March

1093rd, the if we wanted to get ahead of the rush into the state plan, assuming that the legislature is going to pass that bill or even pass that portion of the bill, uh they're they're saying all districts must be enrolled by July 1 of 2027. If we wanted to get ahead of the state administrators bringing on 47 districts all at one time and make that July 1, 2026, we have to give the state administrators 120 days notice, which is March 3rd of our enrollment date, which would be July 1. So, we'd have to make that decision in February. We will not know the answer to the recalibration question in February and we will not know what our renewal is in February. So, um it's it's a little bit you may have to make a decision

110on the state plan before you have all of the information to really make that decision. Um but we'll continue to talk and have research. we will be able to have a look at the actual bill that goes before appropriations um before that February meeting >> January 20th >> 22nd and 23rd. So, >> so by >> we'll see that bill. >> Trusty Dorn. >> Madame Chair, um, did I misunderstand something when I was at reccalibration? Is there a possibility that all school districts will be put on the state plan? >> That is what they directed LSO to. >> We won't have an option if they pass that bill. >> That's correct. But it won't go into effect for another year. >> Yeah. But >> yeah, >> we we recently had uh a meeting with some of

111our um our current consultants, the hub team and the Sigma team, and it sounds like there's a large group of insurance professionals in the state that are getting ready to um fight that. Uh, I was going to ask what you thought the what you thought the um options were or the possibilities. >> I don't I don't know at this point like I left recalibration feeling really good and now everything's >> obviously it would be cheaper for everyone if you had a bigger pool. >> Well, that's that's the assumption that everyone's making. Right. The state administrators were asked that question in the September meeting and they were not willing to commit to that statement. The state administrators did not seem eager to bring on 47 school districts to the state plan. I will tell you that

112>> Madam Chair of the You said one district belongs A. How's been their experience? B why hasn't anyone else ever joined the state plan? Um, I'm just trying to think of a more appropriate response than you. Um, well, the insurance is more expensive and, uh, I think traditionally in the past maybe it hasn't had the most in network providers. They are currently with Sigma. So, a switch for us would not be hugely disruptive to our staff because we have Sigma. Uh that doesn't mean I think they said they they go out to bid for their insurance carrier every 3 years. Um healthcare in Wyoming is just hard. And so I think every district, every community does what suits their district the best. You know, if you are in one of the border towns on the

113northern part of the state, maybe you're looking for the biggest network in Billings. Uh same thing in the south part of the state, biggest network in Port Collins and Denmark. So it really for the for the legislature to force everybody into this one place. Uh, you know, I I I I don't know if it will be successful. There's not a lot of school districts that are fighting it. Um, because we all know what a huge lift this is for us every year. Um, we spend a lot of time, a lot of money on this process, bidding it out and trying to get the best benefits for our staff. Madam Chair, >> direct Mayo, you said that they go out to bid for the insurance rates every 3 years. >> When is that bid period based

114upon if the legislature approved this? What's what's where those timelines match? >> I don't know, but I can I can actually get that answer. >> That would be interesting. Another question for you, Director Mayo, is was there any conversation that if the legislature required this that that would prompt the state plan to go out and rebid anyway because now they're going to have so many more thousands of people on their plan. >> That was not a topic of conversation and recalibration. And one final question. Um the rates that you see here on the state plan, are those updated every year or are those constant for that three-year period? >> These are updated every year. So um they publish their new rates in November of the So in this November, we should have a rate sheet

115for 2026. So we will have that information before the February meeting. Anybody else? >> Thank you. You're welcome. >> I think that brings us to the end of other reports. >> Break time >> and since it is quarter of eight, let's take a a five minute break. Betsy. Betsy, can you hear me? I was going to um tell you that after we do our voting on the action items, I'll probably uh sign Oh, there's >> All right, we'll bring this back to order. And that takes us to public public comment. not on tonight. I can't understand it, but it's >> your device is speaking Japanese. >> We're enjoying the Japanese, but >> um >> I'm at a train station in Kyoto, so it's a little noisier. >> Well, here's the thing. Thank you for being

116here. >> Yes. Um, that's uh that's >> Hey, last no last last November I was on a ship in the Antarctic. So >> I I remember that too. So >> um all right, public comment not on tonight's agenda. Anything that is not uh on tonight's agenda, please come forward. You have three minutes. Please um state your name. Is there anybody in the room? >> Anybody online? >> No. No. All right. Going once, going twice. We're going to move on to action items. First action item, consideration of approval to release RFP Cubs Daycare Program. >> Yeah, Madam Chair, trustees. Julie Ash, executive director of student services. This is on the agenda tonight for the board to have a conversation to seek proposals to lease the facility and manage the operations of the Cubs program. Um, just

117for clarity, the Cubs program is our infant care program. It's our 0ero to3 and it's located in the facilities that are right outside of JDS. Our Grizzlies program is not part of this conversation. That is our preschool program that's located inside JDS. Um, so we did put together some information for you and Kristen can talk through the financial side of it much better than I can and then I can talk to some of the employee concerns and absences and issues that we've had last year that have led to this request and consideration for seeking proposals and for some other ideas potentially managing the program. Um, can you uh click the link that's down there for me on this one? not the proposal but the financial analysis. I'll ask Kristen to come up and kind of

118talk through this and answer any questions about the financial piece because thank you, Madam Chair. Um, Trusty Gingry had a great question um that I'll lead with and he asked why the mill levy revenue sits under the grizzly side and we're not using any of that for cubs and we actually are currently using the mill levy to subsidize cubs. when we when we initially enrolled in the hot springs um and imposed this mill levby or when this board voted to do that it was intended to support the prek program and the prek liaison and as we've grown these programs and and gone through all of this one of the biggest moves that impacted this is that grizzlies moved into Jes so we used to have grizzlies and cubs both in those centers now you see

119cubs as the only um operation in those two buildings. So they're they're paying all of the um like the electricity, all of the utilities. So So where that cost used to be shift split between cubs and grizzlies, it's now fully as cubs. And so I wanted to show it this way. It it's not that you can't use the Milwaukee for cubs. Um, but when the board originally passed it, that wasn't the intention of those funds. So, I wanted to be really clear about how we're currently using them, what the intention was, if this board wants to change how we use those funds, totally within your your ability to do that. Um, the other question is, and one of the questions that we've been talking about for about a year is continuing to grow the Grizzlies

120program. So growing that and and having, you know, maybe a Grizzlies program at some of the larger elementary schools, whether it's Nunger or Quilter or Wilson, um to to start preparing more children and more students for kindergarten readiness, um and really diving in in that 3 to five age range and expanding that Grizz program. You know, these are all just conversations that we've had. This is the financial analysis and then we still have to address the actual staffing challenges. Um, no matter what we do with the finances, if we wanted to make Cubs fully supporting itself and not using the mill levy, we'd have to increase the tuition by about two and a half to three times for it to be self-sufficient. Um, but you can talk about the staffing. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, as

121I put up here, the staffing issues. Last year, we had over 130 absences across both programs. When we broke that down, at 93 and a half of them were just at the Cubs Daycare Center alone. We have a very high turnover rate there. Um, we noted that 27% of days we were actually fully staffed. That left us the majority of the days that we weren't fully staffed. And when we're not fully staffed, we often have to close early, uh, go on a delayed start and oftentimes close the classrooms all together or close a classroom at a time. Um, is the impact on that. Um, and then here's just a breakdown of the late the delayed starts and the closures that we had to manage last year. One of the things that we did this year

122is um split the two programs as Kristen mentioned and now we have a director at each building which has helped but it also increased operational costs at CUPS because now we have a certified teaching position director there and we also have one at Grizzlies and so that also raised the operational cost. So we're hope uh putting this in front of you to have a conversation about whether or not do we seek proposals to look at other options and leasing out both of that facility as well as the operations and management of that cuts program. With that I stand for questions. >> Um as I remember when the program first started it was leased out. It was not. It was a contract employee and I wasn't there. So maybe you or Heather can talk about that

123more because that was before my time. But I was under the impression that was a contract employee. >> You can't leave yet. >> I know. >> It just get out of here. >> Nope. We did um contract with a director who um it it was an interesting contract the way that it was set up and and she wasn't actually renting the buildings or leasing the buildings, but she was collecting um the she was studying the rates and she was um actually I think we were collecting the revenue for that um and then we were just paying her contracted rate. So we just contracted a director at that point. >> Contract >> that arrangement didn't really work out. I think the RFP speaks to um what we would be looking for are our proposals where they

124would come in and they would use our facilities and run a 0 to3 program but their program. So we wouldn't set the rates. We wouldn't say you have to do this. We would probably have one stipulation in there about prioritizing staff um staff kids. uh DSL centur there's a couple little things that we would >> so it would be open to people outside the district at that point >> it would I think that's where we need to look at those repo proposals and really figure out like how hard do we want to push on that how hard do we want to push on prioritizing staff kids um and that's that's where you know that mill levy conversation comes into play is, you know, right now those are property tax dollars and it's supporting TCSD kids,

125um, staff kids. So, there's just a couple of, I think, sensitive areas that we need to think about and talk about and maybe some of that will come to fruition when we get the responses for from the RFP. I have another question or two, but I'm open it up. My >> my other question is just based on the feedback that we've gotten is that um it it it appears I you know I haven't spent any time in there but it appears that it's a fair it's a fairly high quality program. I I would hope being that it's the district and so then if we lease it out and they maybe give priority I mean how do we determine that that is that the quality stays at a particular standard? >> Yeah, I I would agree

126it is a very high quality program. One of the reasons that it is is we can't staff it to capacity. So we have really low numbers. We're only serving 11 families and we can serve up to 25. And so if we had 25 more kids in there, it might not seem like such a luxury that it is right now that and it is. It's an amazing program, amazing teachers, amazing staff, they run a great program, but we're not able to increase to that capacity. So it keeps those numbers really low in the number of kids that are in there. And I guess I would ask also, so then when you did the RFP, would you be having making sure that they're maintaining the to birth to age three and not including a preschool program that

127would compete with our preschool program, which not that it's competing? Um, but you know, how does that work? it would it would be restricted to the 0 to3 age >> which may be a hard sell because that's the most expensive thing. So if you don't have a preschool attached to an early child, you know, a birth of three program, then >> you don't ever make any money in early childhood >> or rarely. Um but you know, if you have that zero to three, >> and that's that's what we're seeing as we pulled grizzlies out of those facilities, right? Is that that's where you're seeing that? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Split. Trusty. um manager. Um I don't understand the staff absences numbers. Are do you all consider them high? Uh the uh the staff abs the

128problem with the staff absences is that because we can't we we have so few staff over there that when we have one or two absences it causes us to close the facility which then trickles down to teachers having to come and pick up their kids and causes absences across the district. >> And so what's missing on here too for this information is the staffing ratios. we're required to have a certain number of staff to a certain number of infants and we're very strict on holding to those for DFS licensing. So, we can't mess with those ratios. And so, when one person's out, it is a pretty big domino effect for us. >> But, but you're not getting a a lot of absences in the Cubs program, >> the Grizzlies program. You're not getting a lot

129of absences because of burnout in that program, are you? or are you >> I think they're not as because the ratios are more flexible in the Grizzlies. So when a when a staff member is absent in Grizzlies, we can flex the ratios a little bit differently. With Cubs, the ratios are so small >> that it it's four kids or three kids to one teacher. Like one person's absent and and we're in a tight spot. The other big thing with Cubs is the turnover, right? our our district average is about 12 and a half% at Cubs last year was 50%. So not only you know so it's it's staff absences and turnover. So if we have somebody that leaves our and you'll see on staffing considerations tonight we have um one resignation from Cubs. So there's

130just there's about three different things that are really impactful at Cubs that's making it challenging for us to keep that open and reliably open and not cause other absences in the district. >> Yeah. So I guess my subsequent question is is one of the problems low pay and low morale leading to um higher absences at that grizzly level. No absolutely. >> So we can't solve the problem by raising the pay. I would say the the pay is similar to other organizations. However, we offer benefits. They don't. And so they're Yeah. So there's a little bit of a difference there because of that. >> But also we we can't afford to increase pay at our current level of tuition rates whether we increase grizzlies and cubs. So you can see that the the over in the

131black number on the Grizzly site is 240. The in the red on the cub site is 217. We don't have much room. I mean, we're we're balancing the budget, right? Um, but unless we increase tuition rates, we wouldn't be able to increase pay >> or mil levy. >> I think that mil levy can go up to a 2. I can check on it. I think it could go to a point 2. We're currently at a 0.1. If that was something you all wanted to consider next June, >> um I just add one more with the staffing. We are short one person and we did just hire today. Um we're still short staff. We have eight families on the wait list still that we can't even get into the program because we're not >> So you

132need more staff to be able to take more kids that are even coming from the district. Yes. >> And it's not an easy job market out there. >> What do you think the impact is with when this has to close down early or close down altogether um to the district? like how many staff people do we see leaving early >> and then what is the domino effect in the district? >> There's 11 families total. So if we have to close the program completely, it would impact 11 families. What it typically does is a triple like we'll close the infant room early. So it impacts two or three people or four people, however many infants are in the day. So it kind of varies by whatever classroom we end up closing in the families that are

133in that classroom. We really do try to avoid the full closures and adding that director and assistant director has allowed us to do that because they can step in in absences. But when you have two absences is when we have to start closing early and it it just varies. They triage it like which would be the better classroom to close, how do we move staff around so we can keep the most kids in and it just it changes. >> Yeah. And and another question um but also a statement just being a a a teacher in the in the Cubs area is probably some of the hardest work that anybody has u in such young children and I know it's immense value to the staff. I I'm just really curious. Are we if if an RFP

134goes out there, are we asking something that's really not attainable? Because you said for us to make it u viable economically, we'd have to raise rates over two by two times. >> And so it is there that possibility? >> What are we setting ourselves up for? you know, I think that's there's no harm in issuing new RFP. Um, it is work for staff. Um, but you can see what you get. If there's no responses or if nobody has any proposals, I think that's your answer. Um, I I think it it's going to be a challenge for anyone to get in there. So, even if even if you get a proposal or two, uh, you know, it's pretty easy to see the writing on the wall. We could shift and use the mill levy. Uh, I

135think it depends on where you'd like to focus focus money. Do you want to focus on prek, which was the original intention of the mill levy, or do you want to focus on child care? I I I mean, as a as a parent, that child care to me was just as important as as the prek because my kids the developmental um progress that my kids were exposed to from a professional was invaluable to to my family. I think one of the other pieces of information, I just heard a rumbling about this today, is um we we could issue the RFP or we could postpone the approval of it until next month. But I think one of the biggest pieces of information that maybe we could bring back is um how many openings are there in

136other facilities right now in the county? And if there are, I mean, that was one of the initial reasons that we started CUPS was because there wasn't any openings. Everybody had a wait list. I'm hearing that that may not be the case with some of the other programs. So, um, we could do a little research and see um, you know, are there other openings? They're probably more expensive. Um, but is that a possibility? >> My suspicion is that there I I think you are correct. There are openings and programs across the community, but I think those are openings in over for >> overure >> and particularly given the fact that the bugs have just closed or closed this Friday. You know, that's a whole infant toddler program that's going away and that's used highly soughta.

137Um so I think yeah >> some of those uh the other issue you know just with this from an employee perspective again you know we there's a huge picture here so I'm just throwing lots of things out there but from an employee perspective not only are they going to pay higher rates somewhere else they're going to have to pay for the summer. So then that adds three more, you know, so another that's probably another5 to $6,000 a year that they're paying in in child care expenses that they don't need. And it also again um another way to look at it is that then okay so they'll use the program through the summer and then they're not spending those three months with their child which is really um a really lovely part of being working as

138a teacher. >> Um so I mean those are all things to think about. I personally think that there's no harm in putting out an RFP. I you know I just think of all the I hate to see the program go away or not be you know at the level that it is you know because those kids are going to come into our classrooms and um >> and they you know if they don't have a a a high quality early childhood program to go to then they're going to come in not ready for kindergarten and it's going to hold a whole bunch of kids back. >> Yeah, >> because you got to look at the whole group and the weakest link um is where they are. >> Anybody else? Any other questions? >> Madam Chief, >>

139I sort of I go both ways on this. The first issue is the mill levy. I always assume the mill levy was applying to both. I don't have a problem with the milvy applying to both the Cubs and the Grizzlies so long as I start getting nervous when we start saying we're opening it to everyone. So then it that's the part I'm like well wait a minute that was the taxpayer money that was do this purpose. I also am nervous about managed care. Um, I liked it better when they were our employees because it was a benefit to our employees. I have difficulty with this one. Um, I will say, you know, years ago at the old Jackson Elementary, many of you may remember the Lang building. The Lang building had we contracted with the

140learning center. You know, the learning center was actually our contractor. Um because of my daughter, Lisa could sit in her kindergarten room teaching and hear Alexander screaming as a baby. >> Oh, that's awful. >> She could hear Alexandra cuz he was just down the hall, which is an amazing way. I think it's a special thing that we were able to offer this as a benefit to our employees that there is availability of of child care. Um, and I think the Grizzlies do a great thing, but I think Stephan made a great point. You know, it's that zero to three where in this community where people struggle. You could find the four or fiveyear-old. It's the zero to three because of your ratios you're talking about with the DFS on that baby side that it's so

141hard to find it. I know like Commissioner Macker or Natalie Macker and um has done a lot of work on this trying to expand services across the county and um and it's always that zero to three because so when you hear there's openings I think I think the chair is correct that's usually the older >> providing that zero to three is such a huge benefit that we're providing our our our staff in any way we can do to keep that moving in particularly I I I I I definitely don't want to ever see the tuition go up. So, any way we can use those the mill levies to make sure that that tuition never goes up on the cub side. Definitely. Um I'm just not seeing how going to managed care is going to solve

142the problem of people not showing up for work. I mean, it's the same people getting hired. I'm not sure just because you're our employee and their employee. I'm not sure why that solves that problem. Well, and I did um speak with one other care provider in Jackson and she has the same issue and I said, "Is this something this it was about a year ago when we first started talking about this?" And I said, "Would you be interested in coming and running a program if it was available?" And she said, "I have the same issues. I can't even staff my own facilities." And you know that that's that's the issue. Um, the only other thing that we could do is we could offer higher pay and no benefits. >> Um, >> do I assume people

143want the benefits? >> I do too. I mean, those people are after, >> but when you talk about, you know, our benefits package is approximately 20 to 30 grand. >> Yeah. um you know that that's the one place we could offer higher wages and no benefits. We can we can single out specific employee groups. You can't do it by employee. You can't do it. We'd have to do some research around this of how we're actually going to implement it and and go about doing it. But it's the one area that we could have some flexibility. I don't know that that would fix the problem. And I I still don't know if that would [Laughter] >> we can do this >> based on our plan document how we structure eligible employees about the information. >> We

144could we could change his contract. So if this is a problem like with all zero to three groups then I guess what I'm trying to get through my head is is if everybody's experiencing this then what are people doing you know with other jobs that have this same issue. I mean, because it seems to me that 50% of the people that are out or missing, Cubs are missing. That's half of the time we have absences. >> Well, that's our turnover rate. That's not the >> say. Okay. I misread it. Okay. So, that's the turnover rate with the teachers. All right. >> 63%. >> So, how hard is it to be certified? Well, >> 63% of the time they're someone. >> Yeah, that it was it's more. But how hard is it to get a certification

145to be a teacher for this? >> Very difficult. And Heather can talk to that. >> Okay, never mind if it's that. It's not like >> you can't just walk off the street and you there's a lot of training, a lot of hours. It takes a long time to onboard. Is CWC by any chance going to be providing this kind of training and is there any way to >> partner with them so that we can do training as well as doing >> so yeah the great minds here I think going to like we have talked about that but we've talked about that more with the preschool like if we could expand our pres >> are old enough they can take care of themselves zero to three is what I'm worried about >> we could partner with

146CWC for early childhood program >> they can they can put in the toaster I'm not worried zero the three we need to deal with. >> No, seriously. Like I Isn't there some I mean it's literally right across the street from the high school. Can't we work with them some? >> So the challenge isn't that we can't get people trained. We're we're getting people trained when we bring them on. It's that when we lose an employee, you can't start somebody until they're certified. And that could take like two to four weeks and then we're we're waiting on the state to come in and and get all of that certification done. >> The fingerprints themselves, >> right? The fingerprints >> the fingerprints take forever. So even if they get through all their training hours and that kind

147of stuff until their fingerprints come back from the state and that takes forever. >> So you can't you can't just like put somebody in until they pass everything. You it takes time to replace an an FTE >> and it's expensive because you paying training hours. >> I mean I I get all of it. It's a it's a conundrum. It's conundrum in the community across state cross country you know. >> Amen. Thank you. >> Are we voting? >> Well, we'll have let's say if there's any public comment. >> Any public comment? >> Seeing none, um, do we have a motion? Madam Chairman, I move that we move forward with an RFP for cut services. Second >> discussion. >> Madam Chair, >> I'm going to be voting no. I just think I I I I appreciate that

148we're trying to find some solutions. I just don't think this is the one. I I think the solution needs to be oriented more toward I I like keeping them as our own employees. I I don't want to move toward um someone else managing this facility. Um I liked it from the beginning that it was was our employee. So anyway, that's just where I'm at. But I I appreciate that that uh that Julie and Chris are trying to find solutions to an issue that I don't have a alternative solution to. >> I guess I have one more question. Who would be making the decision on based on the RFPs? Like how what would the next step be if you got a couple of RFPs? >> I think that would be between Kristen and myself. >> We

149usually have a committee. >> Committee. >> We'll have a committee. >> Okay. Because I have >> Who's on the only >> that I've just elected? >> Yeah. >> Volunte. >> Yeah. Volunte. No, I you know I'm open to seeing what happens, but I just wouldn't want it to go to the wrong I mean I would want it absolutely there to be >> typically we review um we have a review process that will either happen in educational services committee or the fiscal management committee where we'll review all of the um all of the RFP responses and we'll have a rubric where we grade them based on all of the criteria that are in the RFP and then make a decision in that committee bring it before the board to say this is who we've chosen. >>

150And so if it was in one of those committees then there would be >> board members, >> three members. >> Mhm. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> I have one. Go ahead. What's the I did look over the RFP. What's the uh what's the due date? >> What's you have it in your >> No, all the dates are listed in there. My apologies. Yeah, >> I think it's January 5th. January 5th. >> January 19th. >> 19th. January 19th. >> So it'll be for the February meeting. >> Results. Okay. >> Madam Chair, um I agree with Trusty Hungry. It'd be great to keep this under our control. Um I'm interested to see what the RFP process brings to us and just encourage us all to are there other options that we can look at um the

151wages as what are other things how can we solve for this to at least keep it under our umbrella as much as possible. the turnover is hard and I know it's hard on everyone who is administers um the HR side of things. It's also hard on the the parents as well to see that because with your child that young that consistency is so important and how can we solve for that because I'd hate to see even with an RFP for that same issue to be there. It's just somebody else. >> Madam Chair, I'm just just so you're aware uh we've lost Trusty Me, but I'm texting with her. >> She's telling me where she would like to vote when the time comes. I >> tell you where she's voting. >> Okay. Anything else? We have

152a motion on the table. Um, and a second. All in favor? >> I >> opposed. >> No. >> Motion carries. >> All right. >> Oh, you're saying >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's um consideration of approval to release RFP for health insurance consultant. >> Could you just stay right there? >> I know. >> Maybe we should have just moved the desk right there. >> Uh the board has requested that we issue an RFP for flat health insurance consultant. Um I feel like we have like six different things going for health insurance right now. Um this is the RFP. We can issue it and again see what kind of responses we receive. Uh here it is. >> Yes. >> Any questions for >> Yeah. Madam Chair? Kristen, this is at least what I had anticipated. I

153only had one question which is do you think five years experience is enough? >> Happy to update that if you better. I'm just asking because, you know, we're talking about potentially looking at different things if this all happened. I mean, >> um, quite honestly, like I think 5 years is enough because I think the health insurance industry is so rapidly changing that if you've been in it for 5 years, you know what all of the current pieces of that industry are. I would say if we said 15 years or 20 years, you might end up with somebody that isn't up to date on um what the current market holds. I would hope not. Um, but I do think that five years has it. >> Madam Chair, I don't I don't really have a question, but

154more of a thought. Uh, I really like the idea of an insurance consultant. I like paying a flat fee for someone. The county uses one. They use Brown and Brown out of Salt Lake and it's great. Brown and Brown comes up, gives presentations. It's very um objective because they're not getting commission off of it. they come through and they they give these really amazing reports on a where all the employees are spending their money. Um it's orthopedic by the way. Um and everybody doing stuff with their knees and uh uh so that that's always interesting. and then they go through on on what adjustments need to be made for that upcoming year, which is nice because you're getting it from an objective person that's getting a flat fee rather than relying on a commission. With

155all that said, because I really like the idea of a concerns consultant, at the same time, by the time we issue this RFP, we get the responses. Julia appoints a committee, helps people, and we pick who who we're going to go with, and then we have a contract, and we pick the person, and they show up, and now they're ready to rar to go. I almost feel like we're going to make a decision in February. You know, it's it almost feels like in February, you know, I tell you where I'm leaning just based off what I heard today is sounds like a pretty good idea to go with the state early and and and go that way maybe um and just jump on board. I don't know. It's just I I don't have a thought

156really on this. I'm just saying I'm I'm perplexed what to do because I've always wanted the insurance consultant. So, I'm very excited about it, but at the same time now I'm realizing, oh, the timing might not be working because it sounds like we may need to make a decision in February. >> I absolutely agree with you. >> Um, any other questions for staff? Seeing none, do we have any public comment? No. Anybody in the room? No. All right. Let's uh Is there a motion? >> Madam Chair, I move to approve the health insurance flat rate consultant RP as presented. >> Second. >> More discussion above. So in looking at this issue date and submission deadline, submission deadline being January 5th, the one thing that I like was is that gives us several weeks and also

157potentially time at the next the January finance committee before we'll even hear about the bill. We can take a look at this and see one if we get any, two, what they may be able to help us out with. um you know insurance and even looking at information we have right now um from my perspective uh it is difficult to you know ascertain um exactly where we are getting the best advice from given the issue that trusty Gingry raised which is that it's a percentage that pe you know people are talking about and with regards to the state. I don't also I also am leaning towards the idea that to to do that initially, but based upon our numbers, having somebody that can objectively look through that, my initial thought was somebody that was an

158actuary account, whatever that look at those numbers and say, "Hey, yeah, this is where you should be or shouldn't be." I think allows us and gives it I'll talk about myself. Gives me the opportunity to be able to say, "Here's the facts. Here's the evidence that I can then go and say to staff or whoever, look, these were the choices we had. These are the numbers we had. We had somebody independent look at this and give us a view on that. Now, if they come in and say it's $100,000 to do that, well, then that's a whole different story. But depending upon what that is and we can limit or tailor what the review process is and the advice we're seeking. I I like having somebody that's independent on that basis versus uh just telling

159us and it was an accountant actuary somebody like that that can do that. That's why I will be voting to at least see what comes back. Um it gives us plenty of time I think consider >> other comments. >> Madam Chair, health insurance one of the most difficult conversations to have out there. Um we know that the conversation with the recalibration but ultimately that decision will be based by will be made by the legislature. I understand correct. We don't know what direction uh they will make down in Cheyenne. I don't like asking staff to do something for the sake of doing it. Um, everybody's time is valuable. Um, I look forward to I I don't have an answer how I'm going to vote on this just yet because I would like to hear from some

160other people as well on this. If anything, I'd probably lean on on doing it. So, we have it. But still we are going to be faced with a tough decision to make um come come February no matter what whether we have this information or don't have this information. Um and whenever we make that decision it's almost going to be in some regards a leap of faith of which direction we go like to hear what some other people are thinking about it. Trusty Norman, you have Scott. >> Um, Chair Carlin, I agree with everything Trusty Abrams said. Um, I'm I'm a little concerned, especially getting an out of state consultants, looking at actual area tables, not considering who can provide us with what they say we should be paying in the state of Wyoming because I

161find those two things are really not adding up in today's insurance marketplaces. Um, I'm worried about the time and energy that staff's going to have to do to submit the RFP, create the RFP, get it out, and then collect the responses, knowing probably a 70 70% chance the legislature is going to require us to go on the state plan in a year anyways. So, it seems like a lot of effort. Um but um so that's kind of where I'm at at this point. You know, I sort of feel the same way. You know, if you go with the wisdom of the last vote and we said, you know, most of us were said, let's go out for the RFP and see what happens. Um then you would vote for this. Um, but at the same

162time, we have this big question. I mean, you know, it is it's like really I'm a fence sitter, but I'm really sitting on the fence here. It's tough because it'd be, you know, that information would be great, but it and the other thing is is that it, you know, we get these RFPs, we're also getting the information from the lead, you know, the recalibration at the same time. So we don't even have to accept one. But then that's a lot of people's wasted work. So >> um I mean I think the idea of it is is great and it's finally coming to fruition and something else has got thrown in our way. So I'm not sure that it's the wisest use of people staff time. I >> ask a question of Dr. Christmas tape apping

163in >> she's a she's affirmative on this one >> to do it. >> Interesting B had a good point. I mean you guys have a finance committee in January you guys could look at it and by the time we meet February you could let us know a thing look good. Maybe we should send it to the >> I just want to say one thing. If we are um saying that we want to talk about the RFP and whether or not to award the current schedule anticipated award date is January 20th, we may want to if if you guys go ahead and approve the RFP, we we may want to revise the calendar and maybe award after the February meeting. That might be one change that we want to look at. That sounds that actually sounds

164good. >> Oh, actually approve the RFP, but we would not enter in a contract with them and >> they'll potentially the we could actually be at the February meeting because if we vote to go with the state, then we wouldn't have to vote on that at the February meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Or at the March. >> March March meeting so we know what comes out of recover. >> Oh, that's what you do. What is March? >> The anticipated date. >> Yeah. March. >> All right. And so do we have to amend the motion that just as >> as All right. We ready for >> Sure. We'll go ahead and issue. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> Opposed? Motion passes. Okay. Cool. Now, oh, consideration of the Wyoming School Boards Association climate survey.

165Um, Bill, do you want to >> Yeah, Madam Chair, pursuant to our executive session we had >> a month ago, three weeks ago, um where we were discussing um next steps in the superintendent search. uh the board um made the decision to do a climate survey and we've reached out to WSBA to provide us a proposal um to to perform such a survey. It's a climate survey to review um basically um four areas. Current perceptions of the district, leadership priorities, superintendent search options, board decision- making. Um they provided us a um a proposal and with a calendar that they can do it. Um the total it's a little bit of an allocart deal but the total dollar amount I believe is $9,250 to perform survey broke into three sections. Section A is staff. Section B

166is students. Section C is family and community members. um we can all accart those if we so decide tonight. Um uh this um will provide us the support we need in making the next decision that the board felt was um important in moving forward. Um the calendar of this they will will not be able to get the results to us until December. I believe the date was December 17th which we will have to declare a special meeting for where we would review that and make the next decision moving forward in the superintendent search. >> Thank you. >> Just a question for trusty maybe I got the number the numbers in here add up to 7500. Is that >> I was looking here on the >> That's okay. I just did 7500. Yeah. I just wanted

167to make sure cuz you said a number and I didn't. >> He added on more if we wanted to do option two with a student survey and that took it up. >> So I think we need to decide tonight what or have a discussion tonight also who the stakeholder groups that we wanted to survey are. >> Um and they're very accommodating. Um the important part of this is that this is an independent survey compiled by an independent organization presented to us by an independent organization. So it's not the um not perceived as us putting our thumbs on the scale. >> Any questions? Other questions? >> Thank you Trusty Scarlet for figuring all this out. Yeah, I appreciate you spending the time with um WSBA and talking to them about it. >> I will submit my

168twohour phone call bill to Professor Gingry conversation, >> Mr. Farmer Foundation. >> Um let's see. So, I'm trying to think. Um, so we we can have a motion, but any public comment? >> See none. Do I have a motion? Madam Chair, I move to approve support provided by Wyoming School Board Association for a climate survey to help determine board direction. >> Not to exceed not to exceed 9,250. We're doing all three. Not >> well, that's what we're we need to discuss that. >> I was going to just I don't know which h which side the motion to discuss that. I'll second it so we can just move forward and then we can just >> Okay. So discussion I guess the the first thing would be to determine who I I guess the main thing to

169determine is who the stakeholder groups are and who um and then I guess I have one more question for Trusty Scarlet but >> there have been um definitely we want to obviously do staff and families and community. I think the question would be would we want to survey students and what levels of students would we survey like what age and if we think that would be valuable information. >> I I'm just dumb here. Um, maybe I can ask Trusty Scarlet on this thing because I'm reading this proposal and it says staff survey 4,000, student survey, 1750, community family survey cost, 1750. And I see the paragraph right above it that says a different thing, but I can't figure out how we get to 9250 because that's still 7500. >> Do you see what I'm saying?

170>> That's why we put them not to exceed. >> Okay, that's fine. I have no problem doing all three, but I just I I'm trying to do the math and >> you know, it just something doesn't make any sense between option 3A and 3B, does it? I >> I >> Anyway, sorry. >> Um, Madam Chair, was it? >> Yeah. >> Um, Trustee Bosch, I I think in that one piece that is missing there. So, you got the staff, you got the students, you got the >> uh the community. >> Oh, it's if it would be a family survey and a community survey or a or family community survey. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> That's option two. >> Okay. Yeah. Wow. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. Madam Chair, they they are charging you more if

171you break out >> Family and community like >> parent of a kid versus general community. Are you going to do them all together or do you want to break those two >> all together? at this time. >> I I don't know. I sort of feel like we'd want to know what families are looking for and then what the greater community is looking for. Um because maybe that would hold a little more one group would hold a little more more weight for me than another if there was some difference. Um but that's me. Um, but let's let's go back to the students first because I think that's I'm not necessarily inclined to survey students, but I mean I would and if we did I would want it to just be high school students. Um, I think

172anybody else have no interest in doing the students. I I go back to the days 20 years ago when parent I used to uh survey the students for drug usage and the results we got back were always sort of odd students love to >> it was like 90% for heroin users >> someone was pranking me here >> madam chair I agree with you um younger students will probably reflect their parents' choice choices >> and so I don't think we need to survey younger students. As for high school students, depend depends on how seriously they take the survey. Yeah, >> Madam Chair, >> I'd be I'd be more curious breaking out the family and the community as a large into separate groups. So we we know how the direct families are responding compared to the impression

173of the community overall and probably not includes the students. Madam Chair, I I agree. Not for the students. I would envision staff, the TCSD families, and then the community at large. >> Okay. >> All right. Um >> I think the motion's fine the way it is. >> Okay. So, and we're in agreement that we're going to not survey >> students and we're going to break out community and families. >> I I might be the lone person on surveying high school students. That's fine. I I don't really have a strong feeling about it one way or another. I just think that >> it wasn't a huge cost if you want to throw that in. I I just think that sometimes, you know, you get insights from kids that is pretty headon. Um, and I I understand

174when you're I I used to give speeches to high school students on what's the next step in life. We used to go out and give these speeches and every question was is, well, if I get pulled over by a cop, what do I have to do? You know, like and I'm like, really? That's what you want to know? Not a lease, not a, you know, how to get a bank account, you know? But um I I do think that you know watching these students board members and stuff. I mean >> I don't know. I I >> No, you're probably right. I think given them enough credit if you want to if you guys want to add student, but that's fine. >> And I'm and I agree by the way the family community thing. I I

175going to be very curious to see the responses we get from the community >> versus the family members. I think we're going to get a lot more people that'll be engaged on it based on even on what we did before. >> Right. >> So, >> we might ask our student reps what they think we should do just make a decision. >> We got to make decision tonight. >> Yeah. We got It's go time. >> Yeah. Oh, right. Um All right. So, do we want to add students? I mean >> like $1,200, >> madam chair 1750. >> Madam chair, one more aster we should request from is make sure they translate surveys for our community. I don't think that's listed in there very clearly, but it's something that I can >> Great point. Be in the

176loop for no additional charge. Great. >> We'll make sure that happens. >> I thought you were saying translate. >> Okay, so we're going to community both are separate. Yeah. and students come to >> we're going for the high dollar >> high dollar. All right, we're good. Heck. >> All right, ready to vote? All in favor? >> I opposed. >> Motion carries. >> All right, >> Madam Chair, I move that we uh approve the personal request as discussed in the executive session. Second. All in favor? >> Opposed? Motion passes. >> All right. Consent agenda. Madam, >> no, that was a good question. >> Just madam chair, if it's possible, I'd like to I have questions about item A and separate discussion on item A. I don't know if there's anybody answer my questions here, but I

177do have questions. >> Um, let's see. So that you want to pull it off or >> just ask the questions? >> Just ask. >> I can just ask the questions, but um it might >> it might impact my vote one way or another. So >> why don't you ask your question first and then if it leads to it, you can pull it off the agenda, we can vote on it. >> That'd be great if if that's okay. Yeah. Um I don't know if there um if Mr. Hansen can ask these questions or answer these questions or not, but I have questions about the coaching staffing for basketball and why we're doing certain things there and why the girls team has two coaches and the boys team has three and why we have co-head coaches and

178things like that. Do you know anything about this? >> Um, both programs have three coaches total. Um I think the we're still waiting three pos I should say they have three positions available. We still have an open position in the girls program. >> Okay. >> So should someone apply >> just to have two coaches? >> Pardon? >> There's you're not going to go with two coaches for the girls program and three for the boys is what I'm asking. >> If someone were to apply for the girls program, we would hire a third coach for the girls program. >> Okay. >> Right now we do not have somebody who has applied. >> And can you explain to me why we have co-head coaches? uh trying to lean on different skill sets um between the candidates um

179and maybe developing someone that has a longer term potential to be the head coach in the future um was one of the directions we did. This is not the only activity that we've done that in. Um we've done it in girls soccer as well. Um so >> do we have to pay both of them a head coach? So what we did was we added the head coach salary and then what the other what they would make as an assistant coach added those numbers together and split those numbers. It was not two head coach stipens. It was one head coach stipen, one assistant coach stipen, added those together and then split them between the four. >> I'm not as adept as Christy Bosch with all the athletic stuff, but I would assume that if I was

180on the team, who do I respond to as the head coach? Why why wouldn't you just call one of them the head coach, one of them the assistant coach? >> Um, this was a decision that two people who are the co-head coaches that they thought would be a the direction that they wanted to move forward with this program. >> Yeah, I um >> Well, you answer my questions. Thank you. I just >> trusty bot just so you know in the past and chair can correct me if you want to pull this as an agenda item and then vote no you certainly can I mean that's >> that's what I was going to ask to do I just I >> so we can separate on this on this issue >> I just find that and I

181can have give you my comments but I just I I find that anyway >> all right so >> do you want to pull it Yeah. So, you want me to uh I'll let one of you guys that is more experienced in going out. >> Yes. >> I move to approve the staff and considerations and reports as presented. >> Second. >> All right. Um any more questions for staff? Any public comment? Seeing none. Um, oh, but you already have the motion. So, what uh any more discussion? >> Just because I've raised it. Um, as some of you know, I've had I have actual experience with these programs, uh, specifically the boys and the girls basketball program as the assistant coach for some time. Um I I do not see uh having co head coaches as a

182feasible alternative for one of the reasons is trusty Gingry had raised and you know who do these kids know and who do they report to but more importantly if something goes south or something happens then who takes responsibility and you know I I don't like the idea of there being co-head coaches who's making the decisions if we're going to go in a different ction, then put that person in charge and let them be in charge and move forward. Um, and I really hope I I hope that we have or find a third coach for that girls basketball team because I'm going to tell you is I can tell you this unequivocally, you cannot do it with two people. It is unfair to all of those kids that are a part of that program to do

183that with two. You just can't because you have to coach a varsity team, a JV team, and a freshman team. And two coaches cannot do that. I've just seen it. You just can't. Um not to mention if one has to miss, who's going to run it? So, I'm going to vote no. Um I don't uh if we're doing this in soccer, I would vote no if it came up for soccer. One person should be responsible. One person should be the head coach, as I'm looking at Matt sitting over there. and um you know they take responsibility. The program reflects what they want to do and so they should be responsible for the wins, the losses, but more importantly than all that crap, how the program is run and how the kids respond and how the

184program grows. And you know what? I think having co- coaches just avoids all that. And I have a real problem with that. So, I'm going to vote no. >> Any other comments? Call the question. All in favor? >> Opposed? I >> no. Never know how you said it. I >> All right. Thank you. >> We'll move on to the consent agenda. >> Madam chair, I move to approve the consent agenda. B, approval of the check register. C, approval of executive meeting minutes of October 22nd, 2025. D, approval of board of education regular meeting minutes of October 8th, 2025. E. Approval of Utah School for the Deaf and Blind purchase order. F. Approval of Yorkman physical therapy purchase order. G. Approval of board member for travel. H. Approval of consent. Is there a second? >> Second.

185>> All in favor? >> I. >> Opposed? Motion passes. We'll move on to communications from the board. We had um What? >> To the board or from the board? >> To the board, sir. >> Um, and they are posted and presented as presented. >> Communication from the board. Anybody? >> I just had one question on the comm. Did anybody else pull up these things and it wasn't what it said it was? >> Like my PDF? >> There were some glitchy ones. >> Okay. >> Yeah. No, it was it was a little glitchy. >> Okay. because I just I I had to like one was under a different thing. I don't know what happened, but um I'm still dreaming of board dot the old days. >> No, they they they turned into a disaster later, >>

186right? >> Yeah, >> but I'm not simply hard to get around to, >> but we'll figure it out. >> It's way better than what was >> Oh, it's way better. No, no, I have >> what was in between is just I really difficult to run. >> This is much better than the last. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um communications from the board. Anybody have any communications from the board? >> The only thing, Madam Chair, I got to compliment Kristen for the amount of time and effort she's put in in recalibration and she is um really um really uh carrying the torch for this district in these meetings. um in front of a very hostile few very hostile guy um men on that committee and uh we're lucky to have her as part of the team. >>

187Thank you, >> Madam Chair. I'd like to second that >> and add that I think she's the best finance officer in the state. >> I think we're really lucky to have her. Anything else? >> Any future agenda? Agenda items? >> You want to review the meeting? It >> was a good meeting. >> But I I have one thing I just would need to ask here for all of you is during the accreditation. Um it was brought up that the review the meeting session is a time for us to reflect on various things. One, our performance as a board. Okay. Now, I'm going to just tell you that was a surprise to me because I've never heard anybody say anything at that time other than maybe Keith saying it was a good meeting. So one of

188the things that maybe should have been a future agenda item but is that I haven't seen and maybe you guys have done this and it was new but is we have not we've done a self evaluation but I don't know that we have allowed others to evaluate this and I would like us to all to consider that and to set up a way for people to comment on us and how we're doing or what we can do better. Um, and so because I don't think the self-reflection at the end of the meeting, although I really appreciate Pete's brevity, um, I I would like to get some feedback if possible and see how we're doing. So maybe it's a future agenda item. >> And just so you know the history of it, I created the review

189of the meetings, but when I was chair, I created and I added it to the end of the agenda. And so that was my objective. The problem was I rarely got any feedback and and when you're chair it's a little hard to like critique yourself. Um you usually just sat there and the response I always got back from everyone good meeting Keith you ran a good meeting. So so that's where the joke sort of came in that it was good meeting. You're correct. That was the objective of review of meeting. The review of meeting is supposed to be and and we I don't know if we need to do it in the meeting. What used to happen is people will come to up to me after the meeting and say, "Hey, you know, next time

190maybe you spent a little bit too much time on on the district leaders report or you spent too much time." I used to get a lot of feedback that I was giving AJ too much time on the moment time. AJ would take way more than that moment. So that's what so it was more feedback to the the chair and and I think what we've discovered was it was just easier to do that in private than during the meeting. I'm not sure if we need to leave it on there. I I I'm I'm the one who put it on there initially probably eight years ago. I stuck it on there when I was chairman. I started adding it to the end of the agenda and that and exactly what you said that that was the that

191was the concept. It just never really took off because it's sort of hard to sit in a public meeting. you're tired at the end of the meeting and and people have difficulty giving um positive critique because that's all I was looking for. I wasn't looking for the negative critique. >> See, unfort that's that's unfort yelling at you from it. So, I just I would like to have some process that we can I don't know what uh time frame or what duration or what intervals or whatever, but um I'd like to discuss at least having an opportunity with the climate survey in my mind as I was reading through that. It would be nice to have people evaluate staff, you know, admin evaluate us. What can we do better? And hopefully that climate survey will be

192including that as leadership. >> Okay. >> So that was part of that. Um and I would also say we're elected officials. So every two years really get a chance every two years to show what they think. >> Yeah. I >> So that's who ultimately decides. >> I don't disagree with that. I just if there's something we could do better, I'd like to try to do that. >> Could you imagine Congress doing that? >> Oh, >> they do it every two years, right? >> Yeah. >> All right. It's your turn. >> Um I suggest we abandon the ship. >> All in favor? >> Thanks for everybody. It was a good meeting. the exam at the other end. >> Now you do. >> Now I do.