001one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all all right um I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda second any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I any opposed that passes 6 to zero and I am going to turn it over to our superintendent Dr Barnes hi need a microphone you guys this I appreciate you guys coming out tonight this is at its core opportunity for the stakeholders in our community give feedback to our board about our the AI pilot that's been offered by the legislature for us to explore so we're going to do this in a couple of ways tonight first off we invite EV to come in they're going to recreate the presentation that the board has seen about probably a month ago month and
002a half ago or so they're going to be up here for you guys to ask questions too for 15 minutes when that gets done then there's a chance for you guys to give your feedback and thoughts to the board seeing how many people come in I may just want us to make a big circle of chairs here on the I guess the L of the gallery whatever we want to call it let's just get a feel for how it's going but there will be a chance for you guys ask questions of EV if you guys have any remaining questions you'd like to ask event and then we'll have a chance for you guys to get feed back to the board before they come place okay any questions any thoughts on that okay I'd like to
003ask come on up you guys get started we 15 minutes or great great all right can you hear me everyone hear me okay thanks for inviting us back again I'm glad to be here to talk about this uh my name is Sean Hall I'm from boy Idaho I'm with Evan I also have my uh partner here which is Sean Grim um where are you from Pittsburgh Pittsburgh he's from P Pittsburgh uh I've been an AI for about 10 years now and computer vision so this is something we're completely passionate about um let's just go ahead uh go to the next slide here uh we're just going to talk about AI a little bit what the school use cases that we want to do um you know the experience that you're going to get uh some
004of the Technologies around that and then we'll go straight to questions it's going to be a pretty quick presentation next slide next slide all right so uh I'm part of so I come from a smaller company that was called zata we were required by our company called atos and we're spun out into a company called Evan which is owned by AB atos same as iotex we're an American company a lot of our smaller companies inside are from that but we all roll up to work together to create these products and solutions for schools and companies and other things uh next slide so our solution has been in the market for over 25 years we've been I've been in the market for 10 years our AA solution's been in the commercial sector and in the government
005sector for over 25 years uh we do a ton of airports I think we're in over 165 airports s we're in universities we're in other schools uh major institutions warehouses shipping yards train yards um lots of major industry next slide um so some of the ones local here we're we're this solution is relatively new new to the US itself um we're you know we're in uh we'll see we just went to an airport we just went to uh JFK Airport uh recently so we started stting C JFK Airport um um we've been in the you know recently did the University of uh Cairo um baps they're a larger Church organization here we just deployed about a thousand cameras out to them uh with weapons weapons Ai and a bunch of our other Solutions so next
006slide and next slide so this is just going to talk a little bit about AI in general so AI has been around for a long long time and there's lots of different things with it it's not as complicated as you see on TV and it's not as smart quite often as you see on TV what we're doing for this solution and this is a subcategory of AI so this is what's called object detection with AI it's just detecting something so what we do uh is we train a model of that AI to understand what it's seeing so from from a from a from a picture standpoint you have a bunch of pixels and you say these bunch of pixels look like something and then when the camera goes up the computer's trying to find a
007match to that so it's like a matching algorithm to say did I see a gun or did I see somebody fall or did I see smoke and what what does that look like what are the colors associated with it and how do those move in the picture so it tries to take a bunch of those pictures and determine that um next slide all that training is called uh guid guided training um I'm forgetting the name learning learning sorry yeah so it's guided so all the training is guided training it's it's in inside a lab we show it a lot of pictures it doesn't learn on its own when it's when it's in the schools or in a site what it's doing it's called inference inferencing so it just does what it's told afterwards so after
008we've trained everything that it does we've trained it on how to see you know an orange or how to see someone fall or how to see a gun or how to see smoke or we also start train it to know if like a large crowd of people is moving one way or another way um then the camera will just send that alert it doesn't track information about the event itself other than it says I saw something that I think is important and let's send that an alert to somebody so we can get them to take a look at this and see if something things happening next slide um a lot of some of these use cases that we've done you know we we we do uh object detection for lots of things not only like
009backpacks being left like in airports we do backpacks being left on the ground suspicious objects we do weapons tracking uh we do uh slip and fall so if somebody has a medical emergency and they fall down and they don't see them get back up it can alert to that um all these use cases are backed by this very complex uh rules engine that allows us to make very specialized rules about a situation so we can say if we see somebody if if we saw somebody go into a room and and we saw somebody fall down and they don't get up in 5 seconds then we need a of medical personnel to say hey something happened somebody fell down or something happened so we can do that um and all these uses combined across the cameras
010depending on what we need next slide um so in in production all that is is the inference engine so you can see in the bottom slide here that's what the rules engine looks like so it looks like just a standard diagram flow that you do when you put it together the camera has a camera feed and it comes in uh we Define it's like what are we looking for we tell it what we're looking for we tell it what those rules around it that we're looking for it's like are you looking for someone falling are you looking for a gun are you looking for something else and then what do we do after that and then we can send a notification or we can alert uh medical personnel or we can send an email or
011a text message um for this solution what we're going to end up doing is sending it to a platform called rtor so raptor is a nationwide platform they've been working with schools for quite a few years now they're part of the good guys Corp good guys uh initiative um but they're bringing schools together to help them uh do incident response alert notification uh reunification those types of things and uh drill management so they have a whole visitor management system and everything else that can be incorporated into that but we're using them for the alert because it's a great system they go on any laptop any any phone pretty much anything that's there an alert can go to if it's necessary next slide um privacy and security so all of this is done in the school
012so we don't send anything out to the cloud uh the only thing that goes out is a notification that says something that happen so um all of the inferencing on the camera the streams are already there the cameras are already there we're just putting eyes on those cameras and on those streams before uh it gets to the video server so it just says do I see something did something happen and then it issues that alert um it complies with everything from furpa to Hippa no piis you know tracked we're not tracking uh we're not doing any facial recognition we're not tracking uh you know any information about students or any information about people we're just saying did we see something happen and what is this event that's going on so and then as soon as
013it does that it deletes the video so none of the videos stored in the system it just goes into the existing video management system they have and then once they know there something that's happened they can go back to their existing system and say what's going on here next uh use cases so there's tons of different use cases that we could do from you know detecting people coming into entrances so someone walks up to an entrance we can say somebody's at the door if we see somebody fall on a hallway if we see somebody that goes into an area that they don't know about we can even detect things like let's say you have a hallway or a staircase where you know kids like to hide or people like to hide and you see someone
014go in one side and not come out the other for five minutes maybe something happened or they fell down the stairs so we can create specialized rules around that uh we can do you know outdoor areas we can do perimeter detection so if somebody you know comes onto the property late at night um one of the other districts that we were talking to they had a theft of some you know a bunch of uh computer equipment uh a few years back and they didn't know until the weekend was over because they had broke into the school they took everything and had they had something like this they could have immediately got a response out to the police and say somebody is you know at the school next slide um what this does is it creates
015you know live alarms with quick access so we're really trying to to decrease the amount of time to response right instead of having five or 10 or 15 minutes or even longer response times we want to say as soon as we see something let's alert somebody and have somebody look at it so we can get somebody there faster um we get those people there whether it's medical whether it's police whether it's just an administrator we're trying to get them on site and then there's a lot of reports that we can build off of it we can build custom reports and Reporting dashboards for the schools so they can see the type of things that are happening in their school and what they want to see next slide um um this goes over some of the
016use cases that we're looking at for this initial pilot so we're looking at you know threat detection did we see a weapon possibly we're like looking at smoke and fire do we see smoke do we see fire pretty simple slip and fall did somebody fall down and this just isn't normal did somebody fall down it's like did they fall down did they not get back up are they laying there have they have they been on the floor for like two minutes 3 minutes 5 minutes are they not moving we can specify that explicitly with our rules engine and be able to send out that alert um the intrusion detection we just talked about uh the crowd Panic so if we see you know lots of people running out of the school or lots of people
017moving in One Direction really quickly uh we can uh go off of that and then the loitering which is the hallway example I mentioned before it's like did someone you is someone standing around an area that they shouldn't be for a period of time next slide so raptor is the company that we're working with um like I said they have an entire EMS system that they're working with so um they have a drill manager which is going to allow the school officials to help run their drills inside of the school they can do practice drills as far as when when a event occurs how do we respond to that event whether it's moving the kids outside whether it's getting emergency uh Medical Response to a certain location they can run these drills they can time
018these drills and they can make sure that you know everyone's responding as they should next slide uh the alerting system goes out to every H every device possible so you can get on a web browser you can get it on a tablet you can get it on a computer computer you can get on a phone um anything that has like an Android iOS or Windows interface can get this interface so if maybe the system doesn't pick something up or maybe something else goes wrong or maybe there's another alert that's not covered the teacher has that button at their alert so they can just hit a hit a button whether it's an emergency or something else and it goes out to everybody else on that system so it allows them to quickly alert uh in case
019something else is not picked up by the system itself next slide uh the account ility this just makes sure everybody's where they're supposed to be so in the event of emergencies sometimes kids are on the playground sometimes and they're in the bathroom this gives accountability to uh to the school and to the teachers where those students are and where they should be um and it allows other parents so it's like if if maybe there's an evacuation and someone found a kid in a bathroom they could click on a button and say I've I've accounted for this kid we're sending him off to this class and then all the teachers know immediately where that where that child is and that they're safe and they can move on on to where they're supposed to be next slide
020uh and this is a reunification this basically a after the event occurs and after we've you know accounted for everybody it's how do we get them back to their parents who the right parents are who's their Guardian who do we give them to when the event's over so this just makes sure that they go where they're supposed to go when they're supposed to go there next slide and this is the drill manager I kind of did this out of orders so um the drill managers like like I said before it allows us to do drills for the product itself and next slide uh right now this is the basic delivery plan that we're looking at when we come in to do this from the start we're looking at maybe approximately three months depending on the
021school schedule to deploy everything out this is going to all schools in the dist in the district um it's not just one two or three schools it's going to every school and we hope to just do a rolling set of schools so we'll do a block at a time we we'll choose a couple at a time and do the next block and the next block but we're going to work with the administration uh and faculty to see whatever the best plan for that is next slide and that's my quick presentation so uh I guess I will open it up to questions I got you so a couple of things to make sure we're all operating with the same information uh this grant was offered to us back in 2024 so a full school year ago
022went through the RFP process the Grant from the the excuse me the house bill come on help help me Dawn with what the word looking for is in the house budget yeah it was amended to say that whichever School between us or Davidson County chose the system first the other system would use the same one so I do want to let you know that currently right now with the way that the bill is written evident is the only company we can use it with but this has been something that started gosh a year before I stepped into this role so I know you guys have already had your first upset bat with talking to uh asking questions I'll open this up to you guys does anyone have a question for evident they'd like to ask
023yes ma'am I have a couple if that's okay sure sure Sor um okay so do you store any video at all because you said that it erases immediately but so so it it flows through the system so temporarily it's stored while it's doing the analysis which is like seconds to a few minutes and then it's removed as soon as it's analyzed so as it comes through the system and gets analyzed it just gets analyzed and then removed we don't actually store any any of the video so if somebody gets an alert it's not going to show them the incident just going to no that will be back in the VMS system which is which is already there that's the video management system that they do what it'll say is I saw something happen on this
024camera at 4:15 so then they open up the V then whoever has access to the VMS will need to go back to that and look at that event at 4:15 separately okay yeah um you said it's um more of a stagnant learning like there's not adaptive learning once the system is in place is that correct for the AI correct it's a guided learning so so what that means is when you're training a model it's like it's like if you have a toddler and you train them to do something right so you train them to see what an orange is right and you're like this is an orange this is an orange or this is an apple and then that's all you teach them and you send them out in the world once they're out in
025the world they don't learn anything new but they know when they see what an orange is and they know what they see an apple is but they don't know anything else around them that just kind of it's tunnel vision other than that but so it's not going to take any of the data and analyze it like for example right like my car has AI it has its basic system but it knows how I personally drive so if I tend to speed on a particular Road my AI starts to speed on that particular road yeah correct it's not it's not like that it's um it it's very guided in the sense that we tell exactly what we want it to do it's not a learning system like out in the wild so I mean there's a
026lot when you hear AI there's like you know AI is this huge beast and there's lots of little subsets of AI this is this is called you know object detection AI what you're talking about is deals with like large language models like open AI that you're doing and some other things which are learning your activities and things it puts them into other algorithms and then push them out to the cloud and does this Dynamic it's like what is this person going to do next but this is this is completely isolated it's a standalone system it doesn't connect to any outside systems so we're not sending data to any other databases or any other systems it's it's completely by itself static AI model static a okay um and then the Raptor system is that your system
027so Raptor a close partner of ours it's a partner or it's your actual company they're a partner they're a partner company okay yeah and so as far as the data that gets sent to them what data do they have like because you said reunification so do they have my information as a parent my my child's information like do they have all of that so so so in that case they would have that they would be up to the school to what they upload so they would have you could they could have class lists or Stu or things like that for the school and the Raptor system so you can have you know these are the students these are where they're supposed supposed to be and the school will Define that but um that's not that
028that system's not actually connected it's connected to the the AI system but all the AI system does is send it alert so it says I've seen this on this camera it doesn't say it can't say anything like I saw this student on this camera it just says I saw something happen and then the Raptor system has an alert system that that allows us to raise that alert and and do something about it uh these are these are separate products that just kind of enhance the overall because uh this the security of the schools is like multi layers right so you're going you have you know systems for alerting you have systems for watching over the students you have systems for watching the cameras some schools want to implement uh you know metal detectors at doors
029you have the insurance protocol so there's lots of layers to this that we try to build out we're just trying to bring a layer of notification and some extra features along with it well I think to to ask your question if I can ask that a different way the Raptor system would it store our local data off site uh like we've learned I think we've learned that we concerned system so yes it it would so it would store it off somewhere else okay and then my was that was that the question you sho for yeah um and then my last question is probably more for you okay do we plan on using this as a student management tool at all like catching kids skipping class or not where they're supposed to be or is it
030strictly just for safety like we're not going to adapt this tool for anything else right right right I think would ask that question this way our our school administrators our APS aren't sitting and watching the camera to see what's happening now anyway they're out in classrooms right so I don't think you could create a system to do that I mean with the perimeter detection you could say hey students are you know we saw five people leave the back of the field and and sneak out that way so the perimeter detection may you pick up something like that but you couldn't say these kids are skipping class or these specific CLS you would just know that somebody left the property that maybe between these hours it's like no one's supposed to be out there it'll know
031someone left the property because of the perimeter detection but it won't know who left the property and but I think that's a really valid question I I can honestly say I haven't thought of it so now my brain's like you know what what I do with it I if I can interrupt for a second one of the things that I've actually said to our board as well that if our children are in imminent danger if our staff is in an emergency situ sitation where there is imminent harm I'm going to use every tool at our disposal to keep our kids safe however things like that are just not what it's intended for and not what I would use it for but go ahead with your question I think that's in direct conflict with the accountability
032point that you know when you're understanding where all the kid where all the students are right that this arguably should be able to tell you that somebody isn't where they should be right if those five kids snuck out skip school and now you have an incident right those parents are lost I think it would go ahead I say that could be a process that's implemented I don't know if there's anything for that right now but right now I mean I know there's cameras right now and they the cameras would pick up the students already leaving the school but you wouldn't know until you took a roll and that roll call would go back to the front desk and then they call the parent say your kids's missing from school whereas this camera will say someone
033left the property and maybe that pick picks up an event and says hey we need to count all our kids to try to figure that out um so it it would let you know earlier that something's happened before or you know it let you know as they're leaving instead of you know finding out later it's like oh someone's missing who is that I mean and this is almost this is an argument kind of ins supportive like you it would be better to understand and know you know these five kids left school grounds before something happened um in your training models all the pictures I saw were adults what do you do differently if anything for understanding children right we're talking about implementing in elementary middle in high school um how do you adapt that model
034without using real data like where do you get your Source material from to make sure that you're catching everything kind of or categorizing it appropriately uh a lot of our training and data comes from the you know 165 airports we're doing airports they have children going through adults going through them train stations you know Railways Parks you know pretty much everything that we've done it's trained on adults and children so it it it can it can do both the only difference is it recognizes you know what does a human being kind of look like right this is a structure have two limbs two you know two legs and they kind of look like this so it can understand what that is yeah for us we do skeletal so we can tell a skeleton of a
035person whether it be a small person big person and you have like empirical data on what you've captured in other school districts like said 28% of schools in taxes all that you know you're talking about um identifying you know whether there's smoke or guns or or Falls right how often do you actually see something that turns into an event that is necess necessary to respond to right that varies across the board you know quite honestly because whenever you're talking about that type of thing it when we put those models in place you know from a from an accuracy perspective we typically stand about 90 to 95% accuracy with the correct camera angle and that's why we vet all the camera angles when we come in to make sure that we can capture this model it
036is optimal from a camera perspective some of the cameras in these schools unfortunately are a little older so we just have to make sure that they're position right and we have enough pixels to catch that type of a behavior it's all based on the amount of the camera it's just like somebody seeing right yeah false anywhere from 5% based upon the camera that's definitely a concern and then you had a list of pilot or of use cases are all of those included in the pilot or I mean Pilots are usually a narrow use case we have five use cases for the pilot specifically of smoke detection which we've deployed across the world and we we're actively using aggression like is it aggression are we using aggression or buttons or we didn't really do aggression more
037just like Mass crowd movement because Mass we're doing that we've deployed that currently in a lot of places in the Middle East and Asia we' had some issues with large crowds especially around religious events you know crowding and that type of thing so we deployed that um you can name the other five so the weapons detection which we just deployed in JFK and baps and then uh the perimeter detection we've which we've been doing since the beginning of time so 2001 weim detction can I see if there's someone else first before I come back to you if we could make sure that we're answering on the mic um because this is because people at home can't hear it it's being live streamed okay folks we're on the mic Hi how are you doing and really
038my question is for you oh okay and so when we look at education you know like the foundation of Education it goes a lot into um monitoring and accountability and so when we look at that personto person interaction so you're saying the five children are missing why hasn't the adult that was supposed to be responsible for the five children notice that either so if the principles or the school employees are doing walkthroughs or whatever else so are we looking cuz this kind of sounds real scary and terroristic to me um and so when we look at Big Brother watching so that is where it's scary and it is scary a lot and I know you just mentioned because I was like oh my goodness ding ding ding when you just mentioned well I'm my goal
039is to keep all schools safe but not school safe like a prison so I hope that's a good that's a good question it's feeling real prison like right about now and not feeling child friendly and these are children these are not terrorists and so we want to make sure that when we're putting things in sorry when we're putting things in place that even though I may be representing a lot of parents right now um that we're not bringing criminalization to schools where we're supposed to be Ed educating students and so not what you signed up for well it's not what any parent that brought their child to school signed up for right so for to answer that question I I'll give you an example you know uh when five kids we'll use our five kids
040skipping example okay every teacher takes attendance every period so if kids left in the middle of first period yeah I'd know about it second period if if five individual kids all left five individual classrooms and met up and decided to go do something something yeah now I think to some extent you're going to say where is kids being kids and that just normal kid behavior that we've all seen done you all remember Senor skip day some of you probably more recently than others but I'm not interested in schools being prisons either but I think that I have to be aware that schools are different now than when I was a principal no they're not okay they're not they're not different and so this is what I need I think that in some cases and I'm
041I'm really being honest sure well I'm being honest for my sure I feel that we eliminate academics and we're focused on criminalization and discipline is easy for us to focus on other than academic and so when we look at you have when I started school in 1991 at e that was the first year of resource officer you have an average about four resource officers in your high schools right now and behavior has not gotten better so when we start looking at that whole aspect of criminalization and putting law enforcement in school and putting technology and putting cameras how has it gotten better over time I'm a data girl yeah and so I love that and so it may be regardless of what I don't have to agree with someone's politics I don't have but I
042do agree with the education of children and I agree with when children come school because they have a short stand to be children and so they should not come to school and be criminalized yes there have been incidents but a lot of people made some money off of some this too but that's another conversation and so yes and so but that's another conversation for another day but this right here this is very scary and I think that that's part of what this is for is not to determine whether this is right or wrong but whether or not this is right or wrong for us at this period in time and that's what this is for and that's why I'm glad you gave your opinion and in fact I want to talk to you later because
043I think you have other opinions I'd like to hear too I mean that's that's what we're for all right we're going to run out of time for questions though so I'm going to try to get back to you no no you're good but she wanted another one go ahead yeah those guys touched upon the uh the good guy initiative can they explain that more and why that's important for this yeah I sorry I can a little bit um my my partner that H sorry this little one came off there we go um so so the good guy initiative it's a it's a the way I understand it it's a school initiative to set up standards and procedures around keeping School safe and and those policies around that so if they're certified that it's they're certified
044within that organization I'm not an expert on it right personally myself um I just know that a lot of schools like it uh because they Define these standards and procedures so they Define you know procedure they help schools Define procedures for how to respond to incidents and they help schools respond you know you know how to treat students and how and do that type of stuff so that's that that's why Raptors partner with him and you know we're we're more of the tech side uh of it so we're just we're trying to bring the technology to help with that I was just looking at the mission statement of that and it just was a little concerning yeah I I I mean you can look them up online they have a great web page for it
045that explains it um they're they're a great organization um I I just I'm just not an expert in them unfortunately all right I'm going to go back here I'm going to go back to you again and then anybody else we I'll get to you next okay sorry hi Gail major child advocate also um trained in teaching and School administration safety was one of the things I had good training in in Ohio obviously not the uh technology of the robots um but what I wanted to ask was we had read and correct me if I'm wrong that face recognition would be included in this project did you say would be would be no no as as far as right now it's not included in the so that needs confirmation because there's a big difference and the
046reason I'm asking on that is because it can tie into other things right whether what what what other things we look at other than facial recognition so as as far as the so as far as the legislation goes when they issued the legislation they asked for technology that could do a whole stack of things and our technology can that do that whole stack of things but when we talk to the schools some of those things like facial recognition that was a big concern so that's one of the things that we were not including in this so we're licensing that out uh until you know if in the future that's ever decided that the schools and parents and they want that it can it's it's a technology that's out there but we're not putting that currently
047in and then are you aware that this was tied into our legislation bill yeah all right and can someone uh answer when this was brought about I'm to the understanding that our um fired superintendent Dr fa was part of this process when it started that was part of me I can that one yeah I can say that um it was offered First Dawn can you remember when the RFP went out initially the first time sorry I had to get this answer because I knew it's a good question there's a line tell me when the RFP first went out oober okay October 2023 so it was in the past that it started um it was offered to us through that the the um I I still have a problem with the word with the budget bill
048yeah all right yeah there was let me get through the rest of the line real quick because she was waiting on you and then you everybody everybody gets a [Laughter] chance you get a car and you get a car we all get a car okay uh one of my questions would be that I have a child with ADHD who occasionally is allowed to Walk The Halls so if we've decided that they're L lering because they're walking the Halls does that eliminate being able to put that into IEPs as a thing that we allow certain students to do yeah I'm thinking that's a me question too I mean these still are being run at the end of the day by adult human beings by principles and assistant princip I'm sure I met with a kid today
049who was wandering down the hall when I found him and that's going to be a principle to principle situation I don't see that that being a big thing I think that if I when I was a principal if I saw 30 kids run One Direction they're usually not heading to class but the point is is that is the juice worth the squeeze like what we get out of me having five seconds or 20 seconds faster Reaction Time worth the concerns that it caused his parents that's the question the board is currently wrestling with okay we're gonna run out of time so I'm gonna keep us moving yes ma'am and actually there'll be a time for questions after they go so if they're questions just for me you might want to hang on you can ask
050them later ask them after this is just the software questions if you want how many schools are you in in America the US in the US currently how many sorry currently we're not in any schools in the US so well we're in a couple of universities K through 12 yeah no K through 12 okay yeah traditionally K through2 hasn't had the funding to do things like this and it is until recently that the Technology's gotten cheap enough to be able to do this so it it's been a we've specializ specially did this program to be able to fit it in schools for this and then if you refer to slide 12 I don't know if you can go back but it showed all of the things that you can Implement with this I just realized
051that this was here when I was asking to turn the slides so I'm sorry um and all of the things that you said right there go down all of the thing like license plate recognition are you going to implement that no no these are just all possible I mean these are things that are that are possible today that we've implemented other places but no schools not not K through 12 thank you all right I got you I got you uh you haven't had a chance yet thank you sir I have uh two questions for you guys and then one for the board uh how many other companies were qualified and considered for the RFP in the process um that I that that that would be to the board I don't know I wasn't part of
052the qualification we just who select I guess I guess the question is how were yall selected Don how many folks were in the initial RP process there were three vendors that responded and by the time we made our choice about which selection we were going to pick Davidson had already Chosen and so that defaulted us to EV so my connections and Davidson told me otherwise that they it was not selected they were it was selected for them my second question is is there a subscription fee to the Raptor app Beyond you yes okay so is that part of the grant that's being covered uh for the first two years yes so who's going to be responsible for funding you and that Raptor app after the first two years that would be a decision the board
053would have to take into account how how much is that going to be uh I think the Raptor I'm trying to remember right off hand I think the Raptor was like 40,000 a year I'm may be a little bit off but it was how much are you guys our subscription fee so our is for managed services around that to help with the platform and I can't remember what the exactly is right now did you really come here and not have a price for us Don does it's public information Don did you have a did I got I based on the response R looking at basically little over 300,000 300,000 was the number you told me how many we use that for I'm just saying um more than that four yeah I'll get you the number
054because I just can't do the math in my head so I get hundreds of push notifications a day correct how do we make sure PE the people responsible carrying the handheld device don't ignore it I mean that's that's the trick right it's like uh and hope hopefully the hope is so with through Raptor you can create groups of people so you can have like response teams and this doesn't take the human equation out of it what we're trying to do is we want to send a quick alert to response team to say something's happening hopefully somebody gets it you know obviously they have to be looking at their device or have a pager or some some way to get the response resp um I don't think I have a really good answer to say how
055are we going to make people look at their responses because they're going to be teaching and doing other things but it it it should get sent out to multiple people so hopefully somebody sees that response and responds to it that that's looking for those things now that's a good I would like arm rates 5 to 10% so that way from all the notification perspective the false notifications would be minimal I would probably liken that the number of times as a principle that I have my radio turned down because I was doing an observation and came out and didn't turn back up or something like that I left it in a room somewhere so I think you you would see some sense of that regardless because there's a human being on the other side of that
056and so there's a startup in town called op8 and they've worked out a deal where their Samsung SmartWatches uh are providing biometric data to their service providers for people in recovery and I don't know if you don't give the team the the the the the response team maybe something different than a phone maybe it's a watch and they know when the watch vibrates mhm they've got to stop and react but again it's my other questions are for the boards those my only soptware questions from don't worry about time so I'm going to get these last two questions then we're going to Pivot to you guys asking questions or giving feedback really to the board all right how you doing gentlemen glad y'all came tonight thank you um question I understand that we're probably going to
057have to unhook certain things with our current system and we might have to take some cameras or remove them if they're a little Antiquated and things like that there might be some equipment changed uh in two years so let's say we approve this in 2 years would y'all be willing to help us if we decided to not move forward with your company after the two-year trial would you be willing to help us get our system back to what we currently have or would that cost fall on the taxpayers no so we're not go we're not taking down any cameras or removing any cameras um for certain types of uh the AI it requires the camera to be of a certain quality to be able to see stuff so if it's too low of a quality
058we may have to replace it with a better camera to be able to see in that area but the scope wasn't to replace it was to try to reuse all the existing cameras in the system uh with the existing system so we don't have to take anything out or do anything it's just it's it's it's it's extra you know extra Hardware that you guys end up having for use for whatever you use for and there's some very nice gpus in there uh that do all sorts of things so hard so just so we're on the same page in two years if we sign this deal with you in two years if we decide to go back to our current system or what we currently have integrated in we will not have to spend a bunch
059of taxpayer dollars to get back to it corre at all thank you sir our our hope is that you love the system and we can make it work even better so that's why we're here if it was question or that question so it's to my understanding that your system does not um detect concealed weapons is that correct correct so I think that's one of the fast growing issues we have in the United States is school shootings which nobody's walking in with their pistol in the air right yes so as we question you know whether or not we get more bang for our buck if we put in a metal detector or if we put in AI to see somebody fall or trip and spend Millions yeah how would you answer that no I I appreciate
060that question because I get that a lot we are that is one of the many things that we can do as alert on a weapon present when you get get to the point where you start having concealed things yes the metal detectors the walkthrough ones they have at Disney all those type of things still have a failure rate you know all those things there's no I don't want to use the term bulletproof there's no foolproof plan to ever stop anything concealed the whole aspect of our system is once it's present we alert instantly so we we get that alert out as fast as possible that's the way that we're trying to handle it in this situation is to get you the information right away so you can do something about it does that Mak sense
061okay we've got about 15 minutes so I'm going to Pivot a little bit ladies gentlemen do you have any questions that haven't had a chance to been asked yet I know that you guys had a chance to ask questions last time I have a question about all right go ahead microphone our software alerts Raptor and the Raptor sends it out mask we get the Raptor instantly no that's that's good m stay in the Serv poti minutes in that scenario where there's firearm right that is a life or death right now problem are you able like the servers and the you know GP yeah so we've sized it to do that um just based off of the processing it it takes so prioritizes the inference and the processing over like deletion of the data so sometimes
062it will uh if there's a like Mass input or if it's doing a lot of processing it'll it'll batch delete the data so it could be everywhere from a few seconds to a few minutes because it's more optimal to do it so it's less optimal to delete something every time you get it than to say here's a block to delete here's a block to delete time frame is just on the delete side correct yeah the the inference is real time yeah and one of the one of the metrics that that I've seen that I was like did this was yeah I think it was 70% of of the school shootings that have happened the weapon came out and was seen on camera before anyone ever saw or alerted to it so someone had it out
063it was seen on camera they found it after the fact so we're just trying to decrease that time to where it's like as soon as we see something if if anyone sees something we want to get an alert out there as fast as possible correct no we don't correct or a common area or place with yeah sorry she asked really good questions she promised she's so quick I promise be so quick you mentioned um aggression detective is is that something that we have and can you expand on that so so we we can do aggression detection it just does not work really well in crowds right now so like on a school ground where there's lots of kids and they're playing and they're interacting it would be very hard to tell if like kids are
064fighting unless there was like just two and they were separated and then they went to the ground um so that's not within the scope the that's not part of our it's not part no the type of scope that we're doing is like if all of a sudden we see all the kids like something happens and we see all the kids run away from a certain area then we're like maybe there's an event going on beyond the camera that we can't see we need to investigate ladies and gentlemen yes ma'am I mean Miss Mason is it okay if I just go down the line sure thank you yes ma'am um you had said that if there was a child missing you could find them in a bathroom but there are no cameras in the bathrooms so
065how does that work sorry so the Raptor system they have a basically it's like it's like an attendance system right so you have the ability to say this kid is there here this kid's there so whoever has ownership of that the responsibility for that child wherever they're supposed to be they can say they went to the bathroom or they went here or if there is an event and that child gets lost if someone finds them they can say I found this child and they can immediately they can have their little handheld it's like having a piece of paper saying I found this person but everyone knows simultaneously so you can go through says sorry the human says oh yeah yes where the child is same thing with Intruder detection how does that work that was
066slide 15 how does intruder detection work how does it tell it's an intruder versus a student coming in late the typical intrusion is after hours so you said that again that's all scope of work that we determined so nobody should be in school between 11 and 7 or 11 and six or 11 and 5 whatever the hours you determine and then if anybody comes in at 1: in the morning you know and steal or potentially could steal or somebody's here at 1: in the morning we can alert you that's the key yeah going down the line going down the line sir thanks I'm a little confused about how long the data is maintained because the way that we're using our cameras today uh we go back and look to see how an event developed it's
067not just you know two kids are fighting it's like what led up to it right so you're saying that the I can answer that you have an existing video management software all we're doing is we're saying the camera see something we're letting you know and then we delete it the video management is always storing it always has been we're not doing or manipulating anything from that perspective it's like a separate path it's separate yeah understood thank you thank you sir ma'am uh I just had a couple questions um things that have been floating out in the uh world I guess at this point uh additional setup a lot of folks are very concerned about the possibility that you know yes we're going to get this money from the state however there's going to be extra
068cost for this this this that the other thing is there going to be you know you know I I've heard from our our principes the other day that they were saying that our cameras are not all that great but one principal mentioned that his has been upgraded and or not the cameras but the software is upgraded so they actually work great now um other additional costs Upfront for this that the the school system the taxpayers would be responsible for I mean we've tried to incorporate all additional costs that we have and we've uh that that we know about with implementing any type of system like this into that um are there am I going to say are there is there never going to be an outside cost that we don't anticipate no but 99% of
069the costs that we've anticipated are are already put into that that request that we put forward so and we're here to help the school and you know as as we move forward with this we want to work with the school and work with the legislature to to make this A system that you guys want to use and make sure that funding gets through for you know future use for upgrading the system or or for things like that we want to make sure that you guys get the funding we want to work with you and help you find that funding for that right and and Dr Barnes just uh to make sure everybody understands it's here and online uh right now we have we we we hope to have assistant principes secretaries whoever else doing basically
070the same job trying to monitor the cameras but also doing another job is that correct and I will tell you that right now our camera viewing is is reactive not proactive I'll go to the cameras or principal will go to a camera to register what happened after we already know about it it's not we just don't have the Staffing to do that thank you sir Mr Justice oh yeah um well I want start off about cost uh when we were asking originally you said 40,000 and then she looked up and found out it was 300,000 which is a huge difference and you also said the Raptor was 30,000 which I'm not sure now could be truthful or not that you're doing it intentionally but maybe you're not sure um so I'm I'm concerned about the
071cost about Raptor added on top of the $300,000 um you shaking your head over there 300,000 included the rtor okay thank you thank you for yeah sorry I I just couldn't remember all of the numbers off the top of my head so that's a huge amount of difference I mean I calculated that for 45 46 schools that's about 6,500 a school which actually in a sense isn't bad when you consider how much time staff does have to spend going back through monitoring things after incidents happen um another thing though I'd like to know does it have the capability of literally asking it is there a child in certain bathrooms in the building no so if a child goes into a bathroom we have no idea if they come or go that this program would correct
072I mean that's that's in response to the accountability system too which is which is a manual system that's like that's like an attendance system where it's like I know this child went here or I know this child went there um you can update that system if you want to use it that way it can it can also be used for in the sense that if when there's an emergency you have a list you know and you have your meeting points it's like you do your practice drills and you do your things it's like if there's an emergency everyone's supposed to go out front or everyone's supposed to go to the playground and when you start going through like this children's not accounted for but you usually have teams that go through the school to make
073sure that that no one's missing if there are children left in the school or people that are found you can you can click on that system and say I found this child and then they get updated in the system and they can be sent to so it helps account for those you know looking for those you know lost Ones quickly but it's not that's not a function you can't have go look and find some say have you seen anybody go in that's not one of the many functions that we're not going to use it's just not built in there I said no I'm I'm not I'm quite sure on the question you as far as the restrooms are concerned there's nothing we can do around that whenever we mentioned that was just that I found
074Johnny in the restroom and you sent off if you're looking for who I found Johnny yeah yeah instead of I found Johnny you could just say I found Johnny that's what this wave finding system does is I found the kit it doesn't have the capability there okay um there there are so many different things on there that you're not going to be using that it is capable of further down the line if you say we pay the fee early and have that can we switch those on or could whoever gets that then they have the option yeah so so we're giving a pretty wide license for this entire project but we're only switching on certain things because those are all that's been approved and all that people feel comfortable with so um nothing else will
075be switched on until it's voted on by you know the school board parents it's like we're sticking to those certain use cases and that's all that's there the district they decide later on to switch on these many other options as are attached to this these programs that's the reason we were chosen is the breath of what we've done what we've implemented all all over the world we have all these capabilities you chose five if you want to choose more that's great we gave you an open license to do whatever you want to do all to the public ask would that be an additional cost or is it you have you have the license you have you have the top license that we have we're just uh turn turning it down until such a time that
076you feel like you need it because other districts may say I want 15 things or 20 or 30 some might say I want one or two so that's why we I'm terrible at managing time here sir yeah good evening thank you um one question I have since you are new to the K to 12 um School District thing this is um and you know it's one thing tracking children in an airport and another in an educational environment which is a lot different um we're not tracking any children we don't have that whatever when I say tracking I meant in the most generic way okay your system has doesn't have any experience working right now in anyk to 12 schools in the entire United States of America is that correct that is correct um so the
077if we decide to go with this you mention use cases um how much of that of our staff's time over the course of this pilot are they going to have to put in with you in with the project team in order to develop the kind of use cases that we need the kind of testing the negative testing scenarios I'm I've been a I'm not an ay guy but I've been a software engineer for the last 30 years so I know a little bit about how user acceptance testing is and this basically what this is for the next two years so I also understand that Davidson County hired some kind of an outside Tech firm and you could tell us a little bit about that maybe evaluate your technology and are they going to be doing
078the project management because we have to make it decision not you we have to evaluate over the next two years whether this is working for us cor so we need an independent view of it so I'm trying to gather how much extra staff time are we going to need to put into this because working with principles assistant principles sros teachers that's a fair question so there's a there's a bunch of different answers to that question so the first answer would be it depends on how involved you want to be we have the opportunity to bring in Professional Services that can help do things but what you're getting are you're getting five canned use cases that we're going to implement five canned they're canned they're ready to go we do have the capability to go wider
079and deeper with our scenario based rule engine meaning I want if then then this then this then this give me an alert we can work with you on that but it's really going to come down to what your administrators would like to see or be alerted on but those five cases are standard okay and then because I want to leave the the most amount of time for our community because that's why we're here tonight can I pause you for just a second um because we are coming close to our ending time I'm going to make a motion that we extend our time for another second 15 minutes and if we need to extend ask them to finish this last round question that's fine so I will I will make a motion to extend time for
08015 minutes second uh any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed passes six to zero all right and finally just just quickly one of the I'm I'm reading your um your your RFP uh response and that Miss Sutton sent us the other day uh and can you explain how the tag and track works and what functionality that provides how how does it work exactly so what we tag when we tag in track you tag we what we are doing with the real- time data just so you guys are aware is we tag everything in a real-time manner meaning we tag that you've got a bag it's blue we tag you know your gender potentially all those different types of things again we're not implementing this this is what
081our technology can do this is an option that we have that we can tag everything from that perspective and track the movement if that indeed is something that the school district wants to do where we've implemented this primarily is we've implemented this around airports smart cities and some universities and that's typically where we've implemented the type of tag in track we do not foresee any type of Need for anyk through 12 but again it's a part of the software it's available if you want it great but we have it turned off okay I'm just so would you need to cuz I'm reading it right in your proposal so maybe you need to update the proposal MH that's fair it's not it's not in this proposal for this it's a capability that we do have yeah
082in the RFP the the state legislator asked for certain so we listed all the capabilities in there but those aren't what we're CH choosing for the actual PC moving forward thank you and it looks like we need to do a second round up here Miss Bradford I have a followup to Mr Wilder's question something just sort of didn't sound right to me it's about the financing the state legislature is going to appropriate $3.2 million now is that bankable for us and then you draw down on that like a Construction contract um and if we run over then we have to come with with uh you know um it was just something he said about you know unforeseen cost yeah from what I understood the money would come to our system and then we would pay
083the vendor correct Don already have funds the district does be a purchase order there's going to be a station at work first that we agree upon what's going to happen and what the cost is going to be and then there's going to be a purchase order and then as they complete then they can bill against it for anything to go over that amount so and and we're defining this as a this is called like a flat feast statement of work so basically we're defining a scope of services that we're doing for a flat fee so if it takes us longer to do those Services that's on us that's not on you guys for that answer your question yes and no um it's just I didn't realize it was going to be that way so the
084question about you know you you've got 99% of it in the RFP but that 1% that you come back and we have a work order for it and we have to drum up that money that's a real concern to me I thought that this was a you know they were paying for it you were going to do it and we were kind of out of that process but that's not it at all is it well that that that 1% could be many things it could be 1% that's on us we underestimated how much time it would take for certain schools to do so we incorporate that but it could also be if you guys want additional cameras in certain areas for use cases we haven't scoped out those cam any cameras for schools so as
085far as the implementation of the system it should be there it's a flat there's not going to be an increase in price for the system that we're delivering did you just say you haven't scoped out any cameras for schools the cam we're using the existing cameras in the schools we haven't scoped any new if you say I would really like to see four different views that we don't have and they say go provide us a camera to us we don't have that in the budget we're not planning on putting anything new and we're going to use what you have that's the whole point we utilize the existing infrastructure Mr Merck Dr Merck excuse me it's fine um first question is how large is evident how many employees we're $ 1.4 billion company uh locally how
086many locally you you you have a a are you here in North Carolina believe we have two employees in North Carolina two or three maybe yeah we have a couple I don't know the exact number of employees we have in North Carolina yeah I'm sure that but we're working with we're working with a local integrator here so the integrators we're we're basically the software supplier we're just working with the integrators to do that integrators loc the reason I ask and I've gotten a lot of folks in the community asking me upset about it concerned about it I think it's only fair that we have you answer that how do I say this there is a politician uh Senator US senator here from North Carolina whose relative works for evident and it just too many people
087are saying this looks like cronyism to me that that evidence seems to be have pushed uh to to Davidson County as one person said here and of course now we don't have a choice and now a lot of taxpayer money is being funneled into a company where a relative works it just it it it doesn't pass the smell test any comment yeah I mean we just responded we responded to we responded to the RFP and the RFP was selected by Davidson as far as I know I don't there's no pushing from us to do that we were there were a bunch of we actually responded to it twice as well as the one for new Handover twice and do you know what position she holds what position who holds Mia Bud Mia Mia is a
088I think she's the business line for sleds so she works with the the legislature and the schools and the company to do stuff all right Mr Willard did you have another question no but I would like to make a motion that we because we I came here to hear from these people I didn't you know you know I can hear myself anytime I'd like like so thank you thank you both for coming thank you folks this this time really is about you guys talking to the board about your thoughts and opinions if this if you can't give your opinion without this then we'll do it that way but I just want to make sure you guys are aware of talking well I had a question about the the tag and track um I think I
089can talk loud enough on the tag and track is that just the cameras have installed in the school are we talking about the laptops and iPads that our kids have it's only for the CCTV cameras and it's not turned on as nothing to do with anything other than the CCTV cameras it's a capability we have but it's not turned on so it's a capability for the CCTV cameras period it doesn't track computers or anything no it's only the cameras installed or put on the no no we don't have that cap gotcha yes ma'am um so I see that that just as recently as yesterday um evidence and on their YouTube channel is talking about um you know saying you're trusted is not enough you have to prove it so to detect anomalies on sleepers we
090provide raid reasoning AI for decisions based on the extrac this technology from the intellitech our solution is robust Sovereign transparent and explainable it is essential for us to work with cert X to ensure we comply with the standards of upcoming regulations such as the EU AI act but um pursuant to our country what type of um benchmarks are in place that are congruent with that which I just read to you again this is straight off of evidence YouTube channel from yesterday understood so Evan is has a big data solution system which are all aspects of AI we are the the computer vision AI for CCTV cameras that is legislated at the state level so like Illinois biometric Act is the strictest state level biometric Act is out there regarding CCTV cameras and we've passed that
091in Spades because of the EU because we're born and Brad in the EU so gdpr all the EU standards we follow all those which are 10 times more stringent than anything in the US even Illinois yeah I mean correct wholesale integrated we we follow everything from the EU because ipotch my company is based headquartered in in England and we follow everything from the EU we have to so it's just naturally sent out to the rest of the world so that allows us to be standardized and be best of breed another reason why ipotch as part of evident was chosen because of that standard we follow thank you I'm GNA keep us moving okay this one's gonna be the last one all right to Pat Bradford's Point um when we talk about the payment um there's
092a lot of concerns that your parent company under uh survivorship receivership rather and there's no Financial stability behind you guys and I just want you to touch base on that and where you stand uh I you know people are a little concerned that you're going to take the money and fold that's actually a very good point so yes there's been it's it's well documented in the news so actually what's happening is our company evident is going to be spun out of BOS and be its own separate entity and we are the financially stable component of evident because or of atos because of all the Big Data Solutions that are out there in the world we do so we're actually going to be a wholly owned subsidiary of atos wholly owned meaning that we have our
093own p&l and we run on our own on our own profit and loss so we are very profitable so that's that was actually good for us to spin out of them does that that make sense thank you I'm going to move us to the next section thank you thank you everyone thank you thank you so as we move forward obviously the board is required to make a vote and a decision about this contract so the point of tonight was to give you an opportunity to share your thoughts with them about whether or not you think this is the right time for the right place for the right District now and well I mean I know but that's why we had this down H so I'm I'm yeah obviously I'm getting sense of that so if
094you guys have other feedback or thoughts that you want to share with the board prior to the making a decision I think this is a good opportunity so the technology all makes sense and there's argument that it could be very beneficial I think for for a bunch of reasons right helping administrators take care of our children in the schools excuse me my my oh just since because I want to take notes can can you have them announce their name before they speak just so I can oh sure my name is Jeremy Haslett um my concern is that we could be desensitizing our children to something like surveillance right and that they're they're going to be comfortable with this idea that they're always being monitored that they're always being watched um to the the woman point
095over here uh around um you know this kind of it's almost like a police state right that our kids should feel safe without feeling like they're being watched all the time and I I just I I think that it's important for us to recognize that we could be creating this decreased expectation of privacy um with our children if we go down a path like this okay thank you you know she's going to go first um my name is Sheena Cy I very much wanted to like this idea 19 years ago my name was on a list in a backpack with a gun and nothing's gotten better since then so I wanted to like this solution but there is a lot of red flags for me um one I think we're financially overc committing ourselves massively
096even though this is covered for the first 2 years there's that fee after that we don't have enough money in our district as it is we don't have enough staff in our district as it is why are we going to bring something else on even if it's free now or or whatever I got one more um my second issue is that even though what we are saying right now that we don't implement the the faal facial recognition or we don't Implement these different pieces who's to say the tides won't turn on that in a year 2 years 3 years and public opinion changes quickly apparently so you never know what people will want and that scares me because those components aren't part of it now but they could be in the future and those are
097scary components I think for everyone in this room so I just want to thank you guys for having the town hall um couple things happened tonight I never thought would happen I've agreed with people I never thought I would agree with let's we can all be surprised but this is what town halls do it brings everyone together I have I see serious red flags with this I am as concerned as all of you about our school safety but I agree with most everyone that I've heard speak tonight I don't feel like it's setting up the right atmosphere for our schools I do feel like we will be overc committing ourselves like we did with the covid funds and we'll be answering for this in two years there are other ways to harden and and solidify
098the safety of our schools rather than rely on AI um but I appreciate everyone having the town hall thank you so much now see I was told before we started that I wasn't supposed to let you guys hold on to the microphone but you guys are doing great so go ahead hi I'm Kiana Perry I am used to go to Ashley High School I recently just graduated with I never really thought of like thank you never really thought of like AI being in our schools just really thought guess faal recognition was really freaked me out to be honest in the beginning but with that being said the whole I guess we our cameras that we have now don't like I guess the ones they put in to the ones they have now wouldn't even match
099up cuz the ones we have now don't really do the Justice like that these would be able to do that makes sense cuz I have cases I've had to look back at cameras with people and students and they don't even I guess match up with what I'm trying to say is they try they're try put put Hightech stuff in the cameras from like 2004 if I'm trying if I'm being honest with you they're very outdated you'd have to update the whole system and that'd be more money it's put into with with that $3 million or however much I just don't see the point of it to be honest I do want to clarify of course that no one walked up and handed me $3 million and said spend it on what you want that's part
100of it being a grant-funded program is that this was what it was for so yes ma'am I haven't read a lot about this but I was interested in it just because like her it it kind of sounds like you're turning the schools into juvenile detention centers um but I'm just wondering did you um did you pull the parents did you survey all the parents and do you have the data of their responses to this being implemented and is there I mean you guys don't know I I don't think it's more of a software but is there a mechanism in place to ensure that there isn't a data breach you know that that would be a pretty big deal and then it sounds like this is like a situation where I guess I'm thinking mainly of
101students and parents I'm wondering are you guys is the district failing with keeping kids safe at this point is is this is this a result of their of failing with keeping kids safe and keeping weapons out of school cuz I think you I guess just logically I think this would be something you would do if if you're not doing a good job already like kind of like if it ain't broke don't fix it I can respond to a couple of those so I think part of the reason for the town hall part of the reason for the board to want to sit and listen to you was to get that feedback now I don't know um you know I don't think there was a specific Town Hall a year and a half ago to say
102hey do you want this or not in regards to I will tell you that safety is one of the two main initiatives that you're going to see in our budget priorities do you want to sit down sorry um the budget priorities I'm bringing to the board one is specifically about safety and one is about individualizing instruction for students and safety is a a multipronged approach are our schools safer than they were a year ago I'd like to say I feel like they are are they as safe as they possibly could be that's a different question right so thank you for saying that because if if you're not feeling that sense of every day that means we are moving in the right direction anybody else anybody else did the parents get some kind of servant ask
103if they and the parents can't like I mean obviously the parents can't op op out no no they can't yeah no all right yes ma'am come on you probably could hit it with yourself can't you go ahead congrats by the way oh um so yeah I I I I agree that you know not asking the parents you know the community for their feedback because again taxpayer funded school system right um but also too in terms of like looking at this as a mitigation like a form of mitigation moving forward um given the pre-existing vertical analyses that have been done on safety in our schools but my question is what is the Benchmark for measuring that moving forward and how do we against like what are we comparing it against like that which what right and
104also too from a comparative analysis standpoint since Davidson County and new Hover County are the two counties do we have Criterion that are um congruent like the same in each County and then different things where we would have something against which to measure it to be able to do a comparative analysis later to see why it worked better in this County like what are their juvenile crime stats like in the schools versus in our County so it seems to me like there's just a lot more that needs to be looked at and explored from like just an explor like a little more exploration um and I think a good place to start would be asking the community and the taxpayers how they feel about it since their kids are the ones in the schools well
105you are a data girl you're right that was that was those were good data questions about how does how do we measure right yes sir not oh you said no what you're talking about didn't you say that you look at data a lot what we said she looks a lot of stuff uh John hennet um I think that was to Echo off what she just said was does Davidson County have a new han high school with the security points that we have with you know an urban school I mean that's that's a good question and and do they have the same demographics and demographics are different like the bench right one school May right right exactly that's a good question and it may be different for elementary versus middle versus high as well okay we're
106doing a round I'm going to try to get people who haven't spoken yet folks okay or haven't spoken this round yet can we pause really quick um because we're we're just about at time so I'm going to extend it for another 15 uh that that's a motion and there's a second any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed passes 6 to zero go ahead so my concern is that and hopefully we're all on the same page that you want parents to come to school you want parents to participate in their children's activities and volunteer and let me tell you something that's hard to get people to do and it would be even harder if they think that they're going to go and be watched you know even if
107you haven't committed a crime in your life or you're a decent hardworking standup person the fact that I would be watched at volunteering and I'm not watched at a pain job is just kind of off-putting to me have you have has anybody considered that okay yes ma'am So I listened to their um presentation and listen to it Through The Eyes of the times this year that my child um has had problems in the school um and one time he was throwing down he was pushed down um a set of steps this was not have caught that okay one time uh he was punched again this wouldn't have caught that so I'm not sure you're getting your bang for your buck and can I make sure can we talk before you leave tonight please thank you
108Gail major um K through 12 yes that's certainly raises a red flag with most of us um and then they don't even have they haven't even been in K through2 big difference between that in college um but also when we look at the the teaching part of it I I look at AI as stem I've taught stem and that's where I thought it was coming in so when I heard this you get a little excited about that but today all I heard was safety so statistically still today safety or the lack of safety is in in certain areas right it's the hallways it's the restrooms and it's usually Outdoors that still holds today and they didn't show us that they could uh help anywhere I think Miss Justice brought up the the restrooms right that
109needs a human body because we don't have cameras in there Academia is the most significant with AI and that's where I think we need to stay thank you okay I think we're going to round out our last couple okay you said hopefully first of all I want to thank the six of you from the bottom of my heart this is the best example of a nonpartisan thing that we have going on here in the county that I've seen in a long time so to the six of you thank you and I know you all care about this and I know your heart's in it I also know you're not on the school board fair enough um you see now you just threw me out on what I was saying you guys all ran on taking
110politics out of this and doing what's in the best interest for the kids and that's where when we go to make this vote I want you to honestly put your mind and heart and do what our kids need we got another problem here in New Hanover County and that is we don't have any money yeah okay that's a serious problem and when we talk about putting in a $3 million system that's going to cost us they said three tonight I heard four before 100,000 a year to maintain moving forward we got a serious issue funding that and we have a growing community and we need more teachers and we need new schools and we need all of these things and when I look at it and when I talk to the parents on both sides
111of the aisle whether you're a Democrat or Republican everybody says I believe a metal detector would deter school shootings which which is one of the big concerns rather than someone tripping and falling and and when somebody can call 911 or you're going to get an alert on the camera somewhere that's going to say somebody just tripped in the hallway so when we see these things and what it's capable of and what we're Contracting them to do for $3 million it leads people to say where are we going with this right and I can tell you I'm in insurance if we can put a little tracker on somebody's car and we give them a discount for it I pay people so that we can collect information on them and now 90% of the people are like
112you're not tracking me down to how fast you're driving where you're going or if you're breaking hard they don't want it they don't want to be seen they don't want AI following them people are against it so it's something to really really think about before we vote on this in our school system and it is all eyes on new han County right now so I really really want you guys to take your time when you make this decision and I thank you although your car apparently can drive itself it realiz how old my car is that you have ai on your car sir you're next with that being said what she said M cuz malth fights that we actually had it Ashley this year were I mean little to none the F like picking for
113it to pick up a fight teachers are in the hallway constant we which is very grateful we have had a lot of teachers in the hallway a lot more what say that last thing again what more teachers in the hallway no great doing this year yeah from the from the years I've been there it has not been the greatest they have been very hard on some kids which it's it's a it really depends on what just who you are to be honest they kind of pick and choose but that goes for a lot of people so with that being which is what she said there's a lot of more teachers in the hallway I mean teachers in the hallway five minutes before class ends and they stay there till all the kids are gone at
114least they I don't know about other schools but Ashley I know they do that don't know about middle school or Elementary School um so with the cameras just again like they're we have very old cameras they're outdated we need new cameras like we don't have the money to put that into there there if you're going to put money in anything put money into getting new teachers please that's like or more teachers that's all I ask we have as much as I love one teacher at this school we do have one that barely speaks English she's a Russian and Ukraine teacher I had her she barely speaks ack of English which is very hard to understand she's great but it's just again not you're putting in money to something that's not going to really do anything
115when teachers can just watch you know obviously board what I'm hearing is a lot of the talk that we've been talking about about our budget priorities everyone has said the exact same things that we're talking about about safety and individualizing instruction sir yeah I was just wondering uh my name is Randy chenworth uh was just wondering have you all seen a demo have they supplied a demo like a like a video a YouTube video I saw a a YouTube video at one point uh have you all seen a video of what they do at the University or at the airport no okay no I don't believe okay Miss Mason I think I'd like to turn it back over to you affecting um we did have um a request for board members to be able to
116comment um so anybody that would like to will start with well we started with Miss Bradford before so we're going to start with Mr Perry and come this way so if you have if you can keep it as brief as possible we have about seven minutes and there's six of us so okay thank you you uh yeah I'll make it I I appreciate that everybody came out tonight I believe this is a m momentous decision this is like a generational decision and I believe that if we get this kind of AI in our school systems for Better or For Worse how you how however you feel about it it's not going away it's here to stay so I'm glad you came out and uh I think it's important that we get the reaction of a
117community I wish we had maybe done a parental survey um I just uh I just I want to I would ask Dr Barnes and all of us to ask the question if the general assembly had just allotted us $3.2 million to use on cir on whatever we wanted would we use it on this and I think most of the US would say no so that's where I'm at uh like Mr Perry said thank you so much for coming out this has been very informative uh they had presented one other time and it was a little more detailed but this was important one of the things that I know as As Americans we pride ourselves on is our freedom um the ability um to make our own decisions and our children that's part of what they
118learn as they they get educated so they can make good decisions in schools and uh what I was struck most about beyond the cost which was surprising uh is the fact that this technology has the capability to do a heck of a lot more than what it's going to be doing the first two years and if they turn that over to us what does that mean we may not all be sitting up here at all times other people can come up here and do things that may not be of the same thought processes that I just described so um yeah this is giving me something to think about that previous to this meeting we didn't thank you by the way Mr Perry I think is the one that suggested we have the town hall and
119um I I think that because of that our decisions definitely going to be better informed right um I I also kind of want to Echo what the previous board members said thank you guys so much for coming out um there wasn't a lot of you but you guys had strong voices and so we absolutely appreciate you using your voices and sharing your concerns and asking your questions um there are definitely going to be things that we don't think of that that you all brought forward and so we appreciate uh your participation in in this so thank you madam chair um I would like to Echo again what everyone said I thank you for coming because you care and the reason you're here is because you care I mean it's a it is a big decision
120to to Think Through uh we have you know we've sat down with our principles and I think that's very also very important to remember it's not just like okay we had one town hall and then we you know make whatever decision we make um you know we did we heard from our principles and our principles were at least the group I was with were United in in their thoughts on keeping students safe and how important that is and I mean so you know there's a lot to think about and I think it's really important that we we have several days now to uh so please continue to reach out to us with your thoughts uh and I do appreciate you coming out tonight so thank you very much Dr Merck well yeah uh thanks thanks
121for sharing your thoughts with us uh to answer one of the questions that was put forward is have we pulled our our parents and in in a sense that's what today is we're trying to get information however we can tell your friends send us you know you if you've heard about it and you have thoughts about it boardmembers email nhcs.net talk to us we want to know um my concerns that I'll share with you um is that I would only be in favor of this if the state continued to pay for it 100% okay and I think we ought to be able to put a clause in there um I would only support it if we could never turn on facial recognition Okay um I appreciate the comment that one of you made that um
122data does not suggest that SRO have made a big difference in terms of safety in our schools and the question is how much will this add to the safety of our schools and couldn't we be telling the state legislature please if you're going to spend all this money give it to us where we need it change the allotments make sure that we get the help we need to get the teachers and the therapists and the counselors and the AIDS that we need thank you okay um I took notes on every single speaker and it's given me well the whole thing given several things to think about um and my concerns are I really want to make her school safer I want to know that woman's left but I want to know why if her son
123gets pushed down in a in a stairwell that we don't that the camera wouldn't pick it up because I I thought it would that's one of the things I liked about it um but they weren't here to answer that question so I'll ask it but one of my big questions is did the other companies that submitted on the RFP did have K through 12 experience so that that's a red flag for me um I don't like the idea that this is kind of like an olart menu you get the coupon to go to the restaurant and it's an allart menu and I can see us with a work change order and a work change order because I know from talking to the 45 principles that we don't have cameras that work all that well in
124some of our schools so that's a huge red flag for me um the metal detector idea just somebody will tell you how many doors we have in new han County We cannot put a metal detector on every door so we just have to rule that one completely out Miss Bradford if I could just just share Miss Bradford if I could just share there's 4 48 doors just at new Handover High School alone 48 doors that we would have to staff every single door yeah so the metal detector thing is great Dr Barnes has something that has to do with metal detectors coming that he will tell you about at a later time but that that it's not apples for apples but I'm concerned about the money and I'm concerned I mean it'd be great if
125they would just give us $3.2 million and we can spend on anything we want but he can't it's got a major string on it if we turn it down it'll go to some other school um we are not Apples to Apples with Davidson but if I was doing a pilot I'd want two different schools I'd want two different demographics I wouldn't want them to be the same but for me it's all it it it's looking at this money situation um I don't want this to cost us a nickel and unless I can figure out how that works I don't know how I'm going to vote um I'm not so much concerned about the expectation of privacy because when you drive across the right to beach drawbridge there's no expectation of privacy it's filming you when
126you go to Walmart when you go to the airport when you go to any government building there is no expectation of privacy this would not be in our classrooms be in our hallways our public areas of the school so I'm not worried about the volunteers being filmed when they're working with the kids because they wouldn't be they just be maybe walking through the hallway so okay but they're being filmed everywhere you go except in this building right now well actually we're live streaming so you're being filmed now um so those are my concerns you're welcome to email me um I got a lot to think about thank you all right um I will at this point entertain a motion to adjourn moved any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I
127any opposed that passes 6 to Zer we are adjourned thank you again thank thank you for coming