NHCS Board of Ed. Policy Committee Meeting | March 11, 2025

001made e good afterno good afternoon and welcome to the March 11th 2025 policy meeting I appreciate everyone being here and on time we have a lot to get through today uh in our two-hour meeting we have over 25 policies to discuss and review um I also I've asked Mr Perry to kind of keep an eye on the time for us uh committee members uh due to the high number of policies we will be closely adhering to Robert's Rules today allowing two opportunities for each one to discuss uh each topic and then voting uh and that's a 5 minute maximum per topic and that's still going to be well past our time but uh Mr keski would you please call the role Pete wior present David Perry presid Judy Justice pres all right thank you again

002board members for being or excuse me policy member for being here um at this point um Mr Perry would you lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance please I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation God indivisible with liy and justice for all and Reverend Perry me re Reeves would you please Pastor re would you please come forward and lead us in a you share your mic with him please let us pray gracious Heavenly Father we come to you this afternoon to pray first of all in this season of Lent to help us reflect on our own lives to think about the places that we fall short and to thank you for your grace Lord I Thank you for this board

003and for this committee we pray Lord for your blessings upon them and upon their families we pray that you lead and guide them in each of these policies and in these decisions Lord we pray that during this anxious time you will bring a peace that passes all understanding now Lord we pray for all to go well during this meeting and for the board of education for our schools for their staff for their teachers for their principles for the students and those parents Lord that will all come together that will honor you in Jesus name we pray amen amen thank you Pastor and again that was Pastor Tim Reeves from the Pine Valley Methodist Church we certainly do appreciate you coming in and leading Us in that prayer uh at this point I will uh take

004a motion to or I will uh fall for a motion to approve the agenda agenda so motion I will second motion I will second any discussion hearing none all in favor please signify by saying I I I all opposed like sign pass is 30 next we will have the approval of the minutes and I do apologize board members but I am going to try to rush through everything today so we can get through at least a majority of it uh approval of the minutes um is there a motion to approve the minutes I I'll make a motion to is there a second thank you all right uh any discussion hearing none all in favor of approving the minutes please signify by saying I I I all opposed like sign passes 30 just a quick reminder

005before we get into the policies and like I say roll up your sleeves CU here we go uh based on the recent action of the federal uh this is something we receiv received from the ncsba uh short time ago based on the recent action of Federal level the North Carolina School Board Association encourages individual School System review their local policies determine if policies regulations or processes need to be modified to comply with the directives of the new Administration uh below the blower the policies that are recommended for each local board to review with your board attorney to uh ensure compliance with legal standards and guidance uh so anyway there that's why we're kind of jumping into this with both feet um we will start like I said we have 5 minutes per each one and

006then we will uh call for a vote on each uh if we don't need five minutes that's fine we start with policy 2302 um and we did review that I didn't see any uh changes needed so unless somebody would like to discuss that further 2302 only once again I'm sorry but I feel like they the guys you but we're going to go through it today uh 2302 going once going twice going three times we'll keep it as written unless there's an objection to that next is policy 3000 working here all right policy 3,000 goals objection objectives there is uh some change under number six uh Foster respect for different cultures Crossing through the words and appreciation for cultural and ideological diversity and differences any discussion yeah okay Miss Justice I'm going to make this real

007easy for you today oh I like that I like okay I taught us history for many years and sence my father fought in World War II my mother was woman Marine in fact he he fought in three Wars this is a democracy I taught it for years to students and I stress the important of our founding document the Constitution and how all laws stem from that it's also for good reason a separation of three branches to check each branch neither Branch should go the three branches should should not be Crossing and trying to carry out the duties of others that is the supreme law of the land I am not going to be a hypocrite I I'm not going to be a hypocrite I've been in education for almost 30 years maybe more we've worked

008really hard to get to the point where we are today this is 2025 not 1965 the Civil Rights Act was in 1964 and a lot of what we're talking right now came and stemmed from the changes that were needed in the society badly I told you I taught us history too so everything that's going that you're going over today go right ahead and go over I want nothing changed I'm going to vote against everything that's brought up because I think it's ridiculous that EXA what do you call it dear colleague letter has no Force whatsoever in the law that is up to the legislative branch to dictate our funding and right now it is tied up in court and the vast majority of the school districts across this country are ignoring it because of that

009because most of the well unfortunately it is political I remember there was one of the lawyers last time that said everything's political no it's not certain things aren't and that's our Constitution and that's the laws that we are stemming from the Constitution plus that document is so vague you don't even know what the heck it's talking about the term diversity that alone is shocking that you're trying to turn it into a couple words when it's so Broad and as I said since 1965 we've been expanding what's going on in this country and that covers so much everybody in this room is different I'm looking around at all this diversity you can't get rid of that word and there's a lot more that's not represented in this room so to try to do this is ridiculous

010and I'm embarrassed I'm embarrassed for this country we need to be starting acting like a democracy again in we need to stick by our constitution we need to uphold our laws and we need to have some pride in that and if we're going to be in every day in classrooms teaching our kids to do that then we as adults need to start doing it so I'm going to vote no on everything on here so that's going to make your life easier okay thank you may Mr Perry um I see the need for us getting rid of the references to to diversity equity and inclusion but in this particular case I think we are just not talking about that it's talking about ideological and cultural diversity which are different concepts so I I don't see the

011need on this particular one to revise it okay all right well I need a motion so I actually I'll make a motion it may be defeated but I I I make the motion that we move policy 3000 as amended on is there a second hearing none is there a counter motion I'll make a motion just that we recommend leaving it the way it is okay is there a second on that leave it as it is I'm just I'm using vot knowing everything so why should I even comment okay all right hear I don't know that lead make it easy okay okay I I'm fine with that I'll second that all in favor of leaving 3,000 as it is please signify by saying I I I all oppose oppose okay so that passes two to two

012to one all right next on our list 3,000 will stay as as currently in policy okay I take that back okay yeah we didn't with no changes no changes I agree with that okay okay that every time you change okay 30 so that passes to amend that that passes 3 to Zer policy 3100 curriculum development all right looking it over I don't see any edits oh there it is at the top it's at the top first uh the change in 3100 shows the board recogniz the curriculum development must be ongoing process in order to address continually the changes uh changing needs uh originally said and diversity of all students but Crossing to the words and diversity of so would read now to address the continually uh to address continually the changing needs of all students

013and to fulfill the educational goals of the board I make a motion we uh accept the amended version of 3100 is there a second uh second okay any other discussion hearing none all in favor of 30 the amended version of 3100 please signify by saying I I I All oppos oppos Passes three uh two to one okay all right this might take a little bit less time that M all right 3130 grouping for instruction all right this uh in the second full paragraph after the numbering 1- six race and sex discrimination will not be toall rated uh previously it said if homogeneous grouping materially affects diversity the person proposing such grouping must demonstrate that the benefits of homogeneous grouping clearly outweighs the benefits of meeting the board's educational goals of diversity um I make a

014motion that 30 31 130 be accepted or moved on to the full board as amended is there a second a second okay any discussion hearing none all in favor of 3130 moving on to the board uh in is amended form please signify by saying I I I All oppos oppos Passes two to one can I make a statement please this does not change the principal's authority to assign students classes or the teachers discretion to students for instruction just to make sure that that's clear thank you sir next we have 3200 selection of instructional materials changes in the first paragraph uh replacing the word uh instructional material should well I'll read the whole sentence instructional material should represent the rich diversity of the nation and of our nation and appropriate for maturity levels and abilities of

015students replacing the word diversity with Heritage and there is a second change um on in section uh three supplemental instructional materials again changing such Mater uh resources include for example specialized materials selected to meet diverse needs of rapidly changing uh circumstances and changing that word diverse to a wide range of needs for Rapid changing uh uh Sur cumstances I'll make a motion we just to keep it going the way it is and then we can have a discussion make a motion that we pass 3200 in its amended form on to the full board is there a second none would like to have a counter motion uh yes I like that we recommend that we leave as is again as in the first one I don't think the word diverse is talking about diversity equity and

016inclusion so or Heritage um any different second section so I don't want to just make diversity you know fall out a word uh the concept of diversity Equity inclusion is one that I oppose but this is not talking about that okay is there a second to leaving 3200 alone second okay first and second all in favor of leaving 3200 any further discussion um all in favor number one I I will just say that I don't think the word heritage is a is a four-letter word either and I think that I think Heritage is actually a better word so since we're looking at these policies am okay all right so you so I'll make an amendment to leave the word heritage in the first section is there a second three okay so that would leave the

017her word heritage again any further discussion yes ma'am okay are we going to be diverse or Heritage or both well this would the the amended would have in the first paragraph We have representative of the rich Heritage of our nation that that would then still leave the word diverse in the third section uh to meet diverse needs of rapidly changing circumstances so that's where we're at right now I actually like div verse better than Heritage so I'm not going to okay okay all right um so we have so the the amendment as Heritage in the beginning and diverse at the under uh suppl instructional materials all in favor of the amendment please signify by saying I I I all oppose oppose okay now we go back to the full that passes three Excuse Me 2

018to one um I should get those numbers down uh now going back to the full amended where we have Heritage in the first and we leave the third section alone all in favor of 3200 as amended please signify by saying I I I all oppos oppos passes two to one okay 3200 next we have 4140 you're looking at page 42 now okay 4140 I believe hang on thank you you good yeah I'm good okay got thank you thank you I believe there was no changes here I believe yeah there is look at the first sentence let see oh yeah I'm sorry uh board Embraces the cultural perspectives and insights that foreign exchange students bring to the school system instead of again the word diversity I make a motion that 4140 be carried on to the

019full board in his amended form is there a second okay do we hear a counter proposal count proposal that we keep it the way it is again inclusion we just using the word diers oh it work okay I think it encompasses more than perspective when it relates to cultural that a little bit more perspective all right all in favor of leaving 4140 alone they signified by saying I I I all oppos no passes two to one so that will stay as it is board all right School assignment no changes were needed in this one so unless someone wants to bring up some changes it won't it won't go anywhere we don't need bring up full board or anything that but we'll just leave it as is so 4150 says as is Again Last Chance 4150

020just plan agre see the mtfba recommend or was a little bit here for me to read all of a sudden did they did they um recomend commend or or did they point out a problem section 4150 here it is right here section is policy about admission to magnet schools or other schools of choice list maintaining socioeconomic Geographic and student achievement diversity that is reasonably reflective of the school system as a whole of a criteria uh that will be taken into account while making adiss deis I did not see that in our policy but that's what they oh okay it was not in our policy don't any again any other discussion on 4150 there's no changes as you're saying is there any U there are districts that have specifics in their policies which is why the

021ncsba referenced it but we don't have any in all right okay and that corre I didn't see anything that's why going okay 4303 Fair consistent discipline at Administration second up all right uh in this one 433 be assistant discipline Administration second paragraph uh the words the board further recognize discipline uh the board further recognizes proportionality over representation a particular group of students in relation to their population in school or across the school system in expostion discipline sometimes to be result of inconsistent application of discipline to similar offenses and may be a barrier to the board's overall objective of promoting successful education outcomes for all students therefore be striking that I don't think there's any other changes in the section I will make a motion that we pass 4303 on board as amended I'll second I'll

022second that okay any discussion I'm going to vote against it okay all right all in favor please signify by saying I I I all oppose oppose either one on as amend ma'am sir gentleman here was Sir Sir ma'am sir this might we haven't this hasn't occurred in the policies we've looked at so far just want to remind the board that our policies cannot countermand things that are either in general statute or required by the State Board of Education right we may still be responsible for adhering to our disproportionality in our practices regardless if that sentence is not in our policy or not we still have regulations that are delivered to us by the state by other places as well one example is our disproportionality funding and how we're using it so but even with that

023sentence being taken out it doesn't change the fabric of what we're required to do anyway would you agree Julie yes and that that is a requirement under Federal Regulation actually correct thank you inter it would seem that the last sentence that's left in continues Our obligation to modify you know to your obligation to Monitor and take action if you see I agree but I just wanted to reference the fact that as we're going through these we were trying to look at that in the framework of does this get us acrossways in a state or federal regulation as well so and I think taking that sentence out doesn't change the fabric of that for us right right and I think con certain is several of these policies I noticed as viewing them that you know like

024even the next we're talking about we're not changing a lot of the changing a couple words and it's basically playing a lot of the same ideas like the last one you know we still have a responsibility uh this one here uh the next one which is 4310 uh you know change in the words to accept the consequences of their behavior and for all students to respect each other I mean to me that's the the endgame it's for all students to respect each other you know not saying C you know well in this case losing the words cultural diversity and ideological uh you know so if we respect each other we respect each other if we don't we don't and and we should respect each other that's my thoughts on the whole thing but um are

025we on are we are we on 4310 and I'll make a motion we carry 4310 as amended onto the full board is there a second I'll second then okay any discussion if not all in favor uh moving 4310 onto the full board as amended please signify by saying I I I all opposed opposed that passes to to one all right parent organizations changes I don't believe there's any changes so again I don't believe we need to carry this on to the full board so um unless you have have something same question as last time was there something with the ncsba pointed out about this one all right I'm going to read right out of the the paper they sent to us 5110 5010 5010 I'm sorry 51 make sure on the right policy 510 consistent

026with the state law the policy states the following information be provided to the Department of uh Administration all legally required reports regarding contract bids and contract purchases of goods and services from historically under utilized businesses disable uh disabled businesses Enterprises and nonprofit work centers for the Blind and severely disabled see policy 6402 participation in by historically under utilized businesses and legally uh required reports regarding the use of minority businesses in construction work C policy 9125 is that an our sorry that that's the that's what that's what this uh the paper from that's what it says but I think some districts may have that as a part of their policy remember this goes to the whole state so there we go cuz we don't have any changes in ours so when we don't have any changes

027these are coming from other yeah this is all from this is all from NC ncsba said you need to look at these 50 polies yeah I was I've been reading these things the last two days and I'm going this is just and some of ours don't have the references that some places do okay so we're good with that doesn't apply to us leaving alone the next one we have is 5160 just to let everybody know 5160 we kind of went round and around about it and I do appreciate Miss keski because uh they they label it as 5150 but it's the same policy reporting the title is the same reporting to external agencies all right we have some changes here these are all things that we typically normally do anyway okay see what they had

028under I I'll read this before you I'm again 5150 uh consistent with state law this policy states information provided to maybe I read you know what I read the wrong one last time 5110 so let me correct myself you're all right all right so parent organizations I apologize I was looking at the wrong one I apologize for the back to parent organization just so everybody knows and is I'm correcting this one policy considers the policy list under consider the cultural diversity and economic differences of students and parents in planning School related functions as a condition for parent organizations to operate in conjunction with schools this policy does not go any further detail regarding that saving and what I just read was actually talking about 5150 5160 51 what 51506 right now I'm totally confused and

0295160 just details how we coordinate with external agencies like fire department Sheriff's Department EMS child welfare all those things are are part of what we do anyway got to do all right 7100 so no changes to 51506 right got it 7100 I think that one of yours yes sir you want to yes so I'm not recommending any changes here uh not because it doesn't um there are definitely references to gender identity and things like that but I believe and our attorney can confirmed that this is a title 7 situation when you're dealing with personnel and that the bow stock versus Clayton County still applies Supreme Court decision applies to that so we are bound to follow for title 7 and and I'll tell you it's going to come up in a few minutes here also

030for Title 9 you know it's it's not our policy preference on what to do you know there's direction we get and the US Supreme Court has construed title 7 to include gender identity not just um not just plal biological sets your recommendation is to Le 7100 yeah that was my recommendation as well okay okay all right is there any further discussion if we're leaving it alone sounds like the Court's got some sense just leave stuff alone okay 7100 we will leave alone and I do want to uh make a motion to thank Mr not make motion but thank Mr Perry he did contact all in of you and over I thank for that all right 7130 I guess you all said that one I don't know what um there seems to be some uh were

031you able to get my no we have to do side by side or do you have to wa you can see the if you look under page 80 it's under H yeah 80 oh okay you did find it good okay uh yes so these are the changes I'm recommend you did you uh read those TOS please sir she's got in tiny print so I have to in my computer by the way if somebody can get me a uh Power I got you thanks Don uh new Handover County uh new hand County School is dedicated providing equally high quality high level of quality education in all of our schools particularly to at risk students with learning disabilities and academic deficiencies therefore the superintendent will determine if if a dis if a disproportionate number of inexperienced ineffective

032or outof field teachers are assigned to particular schools or at risk students and develop a remedial plan to address these concerns this is u uh a change to what was uh the deleted text which is the superintendent shall um assess whether the income minority learning disabled or English language are being taught by inexperienced in effective or out of field teachers at high rates than students that do not fall into those categories and should develop a plan to address any such disparity so my recommend the language is in red is in red okay very good okay would you like to make a motion i' like just the motion to change it in that manner thank you I'll second that any discussion yeah sure how I'm a little just I'm I'm very concerned about the original statement

033was more appropriate for what goes on in schools such things as lowincome minority learning disabled um just putting particularly at risk students with learning disabled and academic deficiencies doesn't really cover what goes on in our schools every day which is why the original was fine um the I believe that you know assessing you know especially when you're talking about minority um now we're talking about K color or ethnicity which I don't we should be doing so that's why I a generic term about at risk children Mr wer can I comment yes please go ahead okay every every education study shows that the probably one of the biggest determinations of Student Success has to do with socioeconomic levels and here in New Hur County for example uh the problem is the historic red lining which forced

034these uh certain communities into these high poverty areas so to leave them out is to ignoring the reality what's causing this disproportionality in the ability of the challenges that teachers are going to be facing in the classroom that's why actually we need our best and our brightest the most experien to be able to tackle those and we know that all again all that's educational research so just put by putting the word at risk and another word I move down at it right now that doesn't really cover what's being taken out we have a motion and second in front of us uh all in favor Justice thank you for your U very valued um input I do appreciate that um we have 7130 in front of us all in favor of passing it on again please

035understand that we passed It On full board we as it's been discussed uh time and time again we do not make final decisions at the committee level we send that to the full board whatever we do to send it on to full board the full board can again discuss it discuss it at at length and then um bring it forth as you know either yay or nay at that point so all in favor of pass yes sir so I finger up I'm sorry sorry go ahead there is General statute regarding evaluation and placement of teachers in low performing schools that is also contained in this I wonder if you wouldn't want to say if you're going to pass it on particularly to at risk students with learning disabilities academic deficiencies or in low perform schools

036designated as low performing because there are some requirements to a low performing school you have to address in general statute and where would you put that uh I'll make an amendment to add that I'll second exactly I would say particularly to atris students with atris students I would I would separate I think to what you said I would separate at risk students and learning disabilities because those are not necessarily in the same tret so I would say particularly to schools particularly with at risk students comma students with learning disabilities or AC or academic deficiencies and schools designated as low performing did you get all that that's better I want to make sure we have sorry P did you get that I would I would say particularly to schools uh particularly with at risk students comma

037students with learning disabilities or academic deficiencies comma or schools designated as low perform okay I'll make an amendment to amend my I'll make a motion to amend my original and I will second that Amendment so we'll vote on the amendment first unless there's further discussion heing none all in favor of the amendment that Mr or Dr Barnes sent through Perry is signified by saying I I I like the amendment I'm sorry I said I like the amendment vote for that and vote against the other if you want that's that's right I can do that so I didn't get your vote I'm sorry I I'm for the amendment okay so yes so that passes 30 then for the whole um policy between two here uh 7130 uh all in favor please signify as for the amended

038version pleas signify by saying I I I all opposed opposed okay that passes two to one 7130 goes on we're carrying on to crowdfunding what page uh it starts on 87 the change is on page 90 okay page 90 the fact I just had to say page 90 says something too yeah we're moving F we there's there's 90 pages on this day well it's a lot more than 90 pag we're bad halfway through at 90 pages I don't need more money for copy paper you're not a kid especially for the uh the pink I mean the red all right Mr car would you like to uh share with us your the proposed uh wording here please um yes uh I'm thing um that we change up current language which says uh because in the Judgment

039of superintendent doesn't need poos uh campaign will produce an unacceptable inequity in the educational environment um this is um it says now in addition the superintendent may deny a refer campaign because it would provide one school and unequal advantage over the districts of of of over other District school same grade level um this is this one's about um campaigns for um crowdfunding that's what this is about and so um it gives you some discretion uh Dr faren and and some rules regarding on what you can you may deny and um instead of using unacceptable inequity which I believe is vague it could refer to um racial uh inequity or that sort of thing um it's just that I want to make sure you can get if if you're going to give one school an advantage

040over another school a big advantage over the other when you have you have the right to um deny those prob s like to share so just a clarifying question so this is related to school fundraising so I just want to make sure are we we're not saying we're going to limit if one school raises more money or um submits a request for uh fundraising so that's what crowdfunding is to use crowd funding for fundraising um if their goal is $110,000 but another school if you look at their crowdfunding that's 5,000 we're not I just want to clarification we wouldn't limit schools fundraising ability because maybe one school isn't able to fund raise I just want clarification on that make I think it would be to the discussion of the superintendent this is something that he

041could evaluate if if that that inequity between schools was huge you know then you know unequal oh they're getting a brand they got prob funny for a whole brand new football stadium or and the other one didn't you know that might be something that you know Dr B's going to say no I don't think we want to go there because we want to make sure that all of our schools are somewhat equal as far as their facilities and things like that but it probably most would be left in your discussion I'm thinking back just you know in years past I know that for instance you know Laney High School has a beautiful or had I'm sure still very beautiful baseball um facility that none of the other schools got you know so I mean then

042would we say that the superintendent would be in the midst of deciding well how come they got one and and you know like I said I'm sure everybody would love to have a great I always thought this was more like extra raising like for ptas and things like that this is what we're talking about correct I think and I'm going to speak to a specific example and I have Colonel Henry over there in the corner so correct me if I'm wrong I think what this this is the original it's what's in policy right now is what is written to the right okay uh I think what this is talking about is if the football team raises money and provides all new warm-up gear for the boys team you have to have something similar for the

043girls team or else you're in violation of title n so I think what that is regarding specifically is that John would that seem right to you because I remember at one point one team got a whole bunch of something and we had to help the other team get a similar whole bunch of something so that it was Equitable so that it it didn't pop a title n viation so I think that's what that really means thank you for the interpretation cuz I was confused so in other words this doesn't what he just and he didn't know I mean I'm talking no I mean that's that's a pretty Nuance it doesn't happen very often yeah so we'd have to leave it basically to the original for to cover because the grade level doesn't really fit it

044would but the original statement would I mean you could change the word if you change the word unacceptable disparity in the educational environment you could change that inequity to disparity and it would mean the same thing but I think that's why if you look in the go all the way back to the end if you look under the legal reference is I think that's where that is popping out at I do want to get a head nod from I have to put my glasses on the SE is that do you think I'm in the right space John does that see right you this right okay just let you know um there static word that people can't I have a much sta question that far um so what is your I mean again 5,000 versus 10,000

045I'm not complaining I mean yeah right but you know what is your thoughts on you know well in this case it's fund Crow raising but you know where you know somebody gives some huge Grant of money to one of our schools that's going to give them because maybe that's their alada but the other schools don't get that I mean I just came down today from visiting new han high school and my goal is to make sure that all of our facilities are somewhat equal in good quality as far as that goes and so that nobody can claim that we're segregating our schools that we treat disadvantaged students works you know and because I want every kid to have a best teachers and the best facilities that we could offer and I and you know I

046don't want the why else I'm rich person Liv in Border's neck keep $10 million or something well see this is actually what first I'm glad you clarified it with about the title line and the situation I was thinking along the lines of PT ptas and I not trying to upset anybody but for example rville Beach is extremely rich they got over $100,000 I think in the bank and then you have places like freand that doesn't even have a PTA now they did for a while now it's falling apart again and so they have nothing um but this is across the board I just use those two extremes but there's a lot in between so I wasn't sure if that's what this was referring to but apparently it's not wouldn't you say uh Dr Barnes that

047this particular passage is not referring to what I just described but what you had described about the title 9 programs with athletic uh I guess ability to play and have have the equipment that one group does I like to make a second motion I'd like the motion that we table this the next month and so we can do some research I think we could probably use some better language to describe both situations you know you've got a situation inter school like you're saying Title 9 then you got to you have a if you read it the wrong way and I think I read it right not unintelligently you could take it in a manner of what I was talking about where it's this school versus that school right for sure and I think I think

048the difference is a PTA raising money or let's just use an example I have a Fall Festival at one school and it raises $30,000 I have a fundraiser at this school and it raises 10,000 we as educators will work to balance some of those things naturally because it's not it but that doesn't create a legal precedent right but the title n thing does so I think that it's it's more of a you know we support schools where maybe they don't have as active a PTA as this school has we try to make sure we're balancing that just as a matter of course but I don't think those create a legal definition of of inequity personally we can do either one okay we have a motion right now to uh keep 7 uh 360 in policy

049I'll second that any other discussion if not we'll me we got a vote getting ahead of myself 7360 in policy all in favor put sign five by saying I I three oh go us and I'll ask Ashley and Julie and Colonel Henry if you guys can find a good example of what this might be so we can bring it back to this group next month okay carrying on to 8220 gifts and bequests that that might be what we're talking about with more what I my my example a gift Pat I didn't know I'm in charge of that 98 Dr would you be in charge of our page number I ain't scared I got it I'm I'm trying to say on the computer but these are all right any changes in this one oh yeah I

050see on the second page on 99 uh 99 we have changes yeah it's in the second paragraph This is the same thing we just talked about basically yeah but it's the same it's the same thing that's yeah I'll make a motion we keep 8220 also in policy gend okay well why don't we keep it you know so we can have the whole thing especially if it's the same thing I'll make that motion we keep 8220 in Comm is your second second thank you all in favor please signify by saying I I I all oppos pass is again 3 Z that's two in a r go for us all right uh 9115 we're on page 103 no 10 sorry 103 got falling down the job I made up a sweat you did it you beat me

051all right there you you guys don't need that all right yes sir I think this is is this the one no this is not no this might be the one you asked me to look at earlier you're thinking of 9120 I think think 9120 no 9125 let's see yeah I got those two in front me have anything I don't see anything this one I don't see anything on this one remember so it's nothing so we'll just say 91 115 STS as is I don't think we need to vote on that we not changing anything all right all right now I know we have a lot of stuff here a yeah 9120 and we do actually I'm going to start with Miss she has a possibility and we'll go to Mr Perry after that what page

052are we on Sir 110 110 revised paragraph that was recomended um I just have a concern that um that might be violation of title 2 code of federal regulations and North Carolina procurement law because there is um in those regulations there is something that prohibits geographical preference and the evaluation of our bids um bids or proposals so I have provided at your seed um maybe another alternative that we could consider um thank you I got that thank you um and I yes it's the short I do yeah I've got a helper I feel like um you read that out loud so yes yes so um the the proposal that I'm sharing is the board is committed to promoting fair and open competition and all bidding and procurement processes while no geographical preference shall be applied

053in the valuation of bids in accordance with federal and state laws the board encourages participation from qualif qualified firms based on new han County and North Carolina based in sorry new han County and North Carolina the board May engage in Outreach efforts to inform local firms of bidding opportunities and ensure they have equable access to compete so um this would continue um to um I guess our um continue open and Fair competition I don't think that the intent was to get rid of that um priority by the board um so that that's why I'm making that suggestion and I think this I I think I hope accomplishes what we want to accomplish but Keeps Us in compliance with federal and state law any other discussion um me I just you know we talked about um

054what was the move here was you see right read it all but uh I just want to give our local community I mean the the highest profit we basically said we give North Carolina firms our proper so and I'm not saying it's still got to be the lwest bid and everything else but I think we should you know encourage we work for new han County we should be supportive of new hanal County businesses when possible does that violate the law I don't know I guess I have to have an attorney tell us that what you you could I suppose you could you could theoretically have a and I didn't look at the CFR um provision but it does say GE geographical preferences in the evaluation of bids or proposal um are prohibited except in cases

055where fed Federal statutes expressly mandate or encourage it um here rather than setting it as an outright preference I like the staff proposal to say hey we'll encourage bidding by local ones you can still go out you're you're saying it's great for staff to go out and actively solicit local participation um without saying we're going to put our thumb on the side of the scale um one of the other things some of the language in in it in the deleted part ties in with the statutory requirement and this statute's actually been amended twice in the last five years for minority business participation goals um minority business participation goals the definition of what a minority is it's it's not just traditional race-based it also it includes economically disadvantaged without regard to race um and women and

056the reason like we had talked about in earlier today was the reason that we have that is because General statute North Carolina General statutes require it that we're we we have to show um that we made that Outreach effort all and I would just like I said before when we were talking about when I the other one that will come up here probably next um is I don't think we need to follow unconstitutional laws um and nor should we and I think in addition this is by participating in the minority Business Association continuing to operate in those things we risk dos and um I think that I'm fine with um you know replacing um my inserted paragraph with Miss Sutton it it seems fine to me okay so you make that motion yeah okay I'll

057second that any further discussion it's more legal we got to stick with the law yeah as you go up the ladder it's more yeah powerful State all right so uh we do have the wording in front of us here the proposed do you need to talky of that okay I'll hand you just a second I have two okay um all in favor of uh replacing the uh section in uh policy 20 uh 9120 is there any other changes I think that was it oh I think I deleted um the reference to um the uh to policy of minority business at the end at the very end okay so uh all in favor okay let's let's do this part and then we'll do that part all in favor of uh inserting the part that Miss has

058just added to added for us into 9120 please signify by saying I I I that part I don't mind doing but I still want the original okay well that's up to you um because are going to vote on the original too then right we we're only voting on The amend we're just we're amend putting this in right now okay then I'm going to be opposed just because I just want the original all right two to one on that and then the section second part that you just mentioned please say that again just a reference to minority at the very end the reference to the participation by minority business policy okay which is make that motion is there a second hearing none that's defeated so we will move the amended uh policy 9120 the full board

059carry on 9 9125 here we go um we do have another paper I just want to make sure and could be I missed something in the conversation I just wanted to make sure um Mr Perry I think um there was a change in the um under Section a um the second paragraph I think you had a change I just wasn't sure if that got picked up in the amendment or not um so this was in policy 9120 that we just voted on um under Section A it was a second paragraph second sentence Oh I just want to make sure that got picked up in we deleted gender identity I wasn't sure if that got picked up in the vote or not I just want to make sure we need discuss it I make motion that

060we had that cuz we didn't do it before basically I was trying to make a motion to to amend my original motion just to replace that one sentence with your suggested version that one paragraph and then we should have voted on the whole thing we okay well let's carry let's go back to that so we can get it right um so we are back on policy 9120 and what page are we on 110 I do apologize for not seeing that before I still don't see it where's oh right up here okay okay got you so uh basically deleted gender identity from the paragraph proceeding the one we just change oh we yeah that okay I do not see that board discrimination against person okay make a motion sir motion that we make the suggested change

061to that one uh moving those two words I'll second that any discussion oh yeah go ahead Miss Justice gender identity I'm not a scientist this is a cultural football that everybody's throwing all over the place I prefer to leave it there because I think at some point somebody with a lot more knowledge and we' have used that term in relationship to a person's gender identity that I'm not a scientist and I really wish we'd stop doing things like this to upset that the apple cart because it seems fine where it is just what the word sex um is is that supposed to cover everything I just you know I just wish we'd leave things alone this is this is just being done for cultural reasons it has nothing to do with actual scientific fact about

062how humans are are on this planet and how they perceive their role as a as as a human being in whatever culture and Society they live in we are not able to determine that some people think they are they can go back to 1965 thank you CH just want to check with our attorney is there is it legal to remove those words to remove the word gender identity yes and and the reason I says because you you would be tracking the statute remember like title seven for example title six um the other Federal anti-discrimination statutes don't use the word gender identity in it now some of them have been like title seven has been construed to include that um but the statute itself still says sex and oddly enough in the in the case when

063that came out one of the descending arguments was Congress certainly didn't intend to include gender identity in 1964 when they passed the law and I I suspect they probably didn't um nevertheless it now is viewed as part of it um by federal courts so you're catching what you need to catch just by using the word sex without pulling out gender identity like it's something different from sex if that's my view of it now you know if you want to make sure you you stress gender identity we mean gender identity that's part certainly be fine to leave it in there but I think you're already covered by using the term sex all right and Miss thank you for that catch appreciate that we have a motion and a second all in favor of deleting the words

064gender identity from policy 9120 we simplify by saying I I all oppose oppose passes 2 to one now we're on 925 thank you again keeping us straight uh Su you have another um suggestion here would you please share that with us and then we discuss the what we have in so if I um it looks like um the recommendation in the handouts strikes this whole policy except for um the very beginning where it just talks about um the B award public building cont contracts without regard to race religion color creed national origin biological sex age or disability um what I would like for the board to consider in The Proposal that I provided um is to keep some of the information that's in the policy um so that we can maintain our commitment to fair

065and open competition um when we're entering into Contracting Pro the Contracting process so pulled out things that I think are relevant um to help make sure that we're continuing that commitment and and would like the board to consider this as a revision isn't this required by state law I was going to say I my suggestion if it's okay Mr would have been to leave it as is and the reason why is and I brought copies of the statute um for all of you our our version of this follows um General statute 143 D1 128. two and and I I highlighted it on mine but I'll show you where it is on this one a local government unit that includes us if you receive state Appropriations for a building project and we typically will because you

066know the lottery for example would be State money um which is used to build things only to build things um you have to have a verifiable 10% participation goal by minority businesses now the reason that that's not a concern equal protection wise is if you look at the last paragraph and and as I mentioned this statute was amended in 2023 and again in 2024 so our current General Assembly has had a chance to look at it um but they make it very clear nothing in this section shall be construed to require contractors or awarding authorities to award contracts or subcontracts or to make purchases of materials or equipment from minority business contractors or minority business subcontractors who do not submit the lowest responsible responsive bids or bids so you know we we've already got you're

067required to make the effort um the Outreach effort you're not required to to take it into account and if not only you not required to you may not take it into account in the awarding of the contract so I think the the idea behind these this statute is just for us to show that yes we have made the Outreach effort um to to ensure that everybody gets a chance to apply for the work and as Mr Perry had pointed out earlier you know that if you look at the new case off from the Supreme Court it's not actually that new on on Awards of contracts you can't consider it you points for it you can't do anything for minority business participation but you do have to make the Outreach effort um I believe that this

068is a and I I probably believe that you're your your prob Mr promy would disagree with you probably would um he I he he had suggested that we put a simple non-discrimination clause and that's why I inserted in here um see we don't need to be um doing this uh given the uh the general holding of the Harvard and North Carolina cases and some of the f far ranging effects of of the if you read it you know of of their conclusions in the opinion I think it's you know giving it any not just not considering it awarding it but even making it part of a factor in how we how we how we advertise our things is it seems to me that it violates that ruling and stuff that violates the Constitution when laws

069that violat the constitution in of the United States uh are are we are not only not obligated to follow but we have a have a duty to uh not follow because we all took hopes up here to uh uphold the Constitution the United States of America so that's my position on this I make a motion sir I like the motion that we uh accept changes that uh well that I recommend it however I don't mind um Miss Sutton um version either necessarily um can we discuss theon's version versus I'd rather I'm not completely opposed to miss suon I'm completely opposed to keeping it the way it is so and I I did be under my version does use your language that you have that you repl so I do have your language in B and

070it doesn't seem it seems like you're informing all all businesses about the business and not necessarily making sure that this minority group gets in it so I'm actually I'm um have you discussed this with have you read this what is your opinion of this honestly what I'm looking at or thinking about is I don't want to put our staff in position where they have to choose between Mom and Dad right so Mom and Dad are fighting the state has one law board has a different policy with things that are changing so rapidly I don't know why you wouldn't table this for a month or two and see whether or not the state changes their regulations before you guys jump ahead of of that because it could change there I mean there are several bills and

071laws that are bills that are in the Senate right now that could impact on this and so I I don't know if I wouldn't uh again I just would probably be with you that I don't want to risk the you know the Doge team is going to come on and hit us with this so I mean I'm okay I just was wondering if you prefer Miss Sutton versus my well to not to put the final point on it yeah but um I also would recommend if the state is if if this mirrors exactly what the state law is I don't know why you wouldn't just leave it alone ashle is there a reason why you think is is yours still complete the requirements of both no so um my version doesn't include the requirements that

072the attorney spoke to however as you said at the beginning of the meeting I would still have to do reporting so even if we change the policy um I would still have minority State reporting I would be required to provide um however it wouldn't be part of our board policy I'm going to I think that puts actually an uncomfortable situation I'm going to and take you know we don't have a motion on table as far as I know I'm going to make a motion that we table this for month second so that we can go ahead and here and really get this worked out because I'm hearing different things so we have a first and second any further discussion on tabling 9125 for for a period of one month till the April bo uh committee

073meeting well there's no rush and I would prefer to listen to the lawyer and or Finance person yeah we'll bring it back and we can we can do that yeah yeah okay all right uh any discussion if not all in favor of tabling uh 9125 until next meeting to see canly by saying I I I all opposed passest is 3 Z 9125 is tabled we now on SE five of the agenda we are we are in third uh 13 10 mhm we'll open that up call me we are on page 126 126 thank you Mr Justice 126 126 I don't have a 126 oh the second section 134 126 section two all right I think we have A6 uh on page 134 yep we sexual orientation gender identity and replacing the biological sex imparing status

074okay deleted gender Ori sexual orientation and gender identity all right we heard from our attorney SE covers that then again on page 138 we I um this is where I needed I wanted Dr Barnes to look up this uh is this is this our um am I in the right 134 134 and then then again 138 dele gender identity yeah okay okay like to make motion sir yeah I like to make a motion that we accept the change amending motion I'll second that any discussion i' like it the way it is is I don't see why we have to be playing games with these terms thank you man' all right all in favor of bringing this on to the whole board for for their discussion please signify by saying I I I All oppos oppos

075Passes two to one next one we have a question Mr Blanchard if that is removed is that going to put us sideways with any federal law well the the the sexual orientation and gender identity part I I don't because you've already got the word sex in there personally I think you're probably safer leaving it just as sex rather than throwing the word biological in front of it and the reason I say that again Title Nine for example non-discrimination on the basis of sex title n's not entitled non-discrimination on the basis of biological sex it's just sex um and and you know it's it's um and and I I I honestly believe Title Nine is probably should be construed different from title 7 for a whole bunch of reasons including the fact that the statute in

076multiple occasions uses the word one sex and the other but be that as it may the word sex is inclusive enough um it's a big enough umbrella to cover everything we need um I I think I think you're probably probably doing something you don't need to do that may or may not be problematic later by throwing the word biological in front of it um but yeah I just think that the uh the court cases out there like you mentioned there have differentiated these Title 9 situations from the title 7 case from po but mentioned when comes from employes uh here federal courts have ruled that this languages and that's why they stopped all the Biden Title 9 implementation even before President Trump was inaugurated so um I believe there's a lot of confusion around language

077and I think we need to use precise language and not be vag about it and and that's what we're talking about is biological sex you know maybe you know when this was written yeah I mean nobody needed to say that but in today's world yeah what is sex what is gender I mean basically back then sex and gender were synonymous terms no longer um I think we need to be specific to be clear I just wanted I don't I don't want to put us at odds with the with the Grim case is is my concern that and I think the handout that uh Miss Bradford handed out um at the last meeting pointed out you know that the group that she um attends the video conferences for that was their view of it also is

078that look if we're circuits at odds with the current Administration on this the problem is if we go to court the judge there is bound by what the fourth circuit says in Richmond not what the Trump Administration says on this narrow issue um it it that that's my only concern with that I don't want to put us at odds with that well and if you would please bring that to the full board uh and we'll bring it will be discussing this again I'm going reiterate that you know we don't make the final decision on any of you so we'll bring to the whole board please bring that point up um and I will call on you to bring that point up so I'm going actually St that and we will address biological there I will

079keep a note for myself all right carrying on did we point iny we did we vote we did okay yes we did two to one passed on to the whole board mov on to the next one 30 no 17 20 40 30 and 72 page are we on jce oh it's on 156 156 156 that's right this is a huge hand you can tell teachers right I'm glad we work we know how to do this we work together all right title n non-discrimination on the basics of sex all right we have several changes again more biological in there uh parent status changes and we do have a change at the end deleting other references enement of fin educ am of 1972 respect discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity in light of Po so

080this is Title Nine so I think that's educ offic Civ 2021 we start with Mr bar yeah so um most of these are just again it's the same term biological SE so we can be clear what we're talking about uh we change we moove sexual oration and gender identity put in uh parenting status um the um um the last bit was just a probably it was an assumption the last time this was modified which apparently was in 2022 that BTO was did apply title Title 9 but there's been heard from other federal courts that it does so it just removes those references from um the bottom and Mr chairman again my concern is that the courts that are saying that aren't in the we are um I I can tell you when you go and

081the the appell body for us for federal courts is the fourth circuit now their rule it may be wrong but it's the rule right now um I'm looking at title seven the statute says no person in the United States shall on the basis of sex be excluded from participation in and it goes on about the educational programs but the the point I'm making with that is that it doesn't use the qualifier biological in the statute and and I adding um parenting status great idea you know you can always um expand the scope of what types of discrimination you're you're um opposed to but that term sex you're probably better off leaving it the way it is and and letting that ambig ambiguity play itself out rather than us trying to make a decision um on

082it um we were fine for you know the last 65 years with the term sex and there I I I'm not quite sure why we need to add the qualifier biological now but that's that's my view I got you sir and I understand that the title 9 ferally has determined that it doesn't cover gender identity but gender identity and sexual orientation are two significantly different things does Title 9 still cover sexual orientation under Grim for us yes now for other parts of the country not so much cuz I don't want those are not synonyms of each other and I'm I'm trying to think how to how to tease those two terms out I mean I think about the Grim case you know obviously it's about the um the um student born as one sex who

083identified uh and I don't know whether you use whether it's identified or whether they view that as gender or um uh identity I'm not quite sure what term they use but I I think we're all to Layman thinking about the same thing they're not the same thing I understand I understand I I get that but I guess do the title n non-discrimination on the basis of sex at the federal level still cover sexual orientation not in in our well I get the executive orders I've got sexual orientation wasn't the issue in the Grim case it was really more gender identity or identifying as male versus female um you know they never got into whether um the Grim child was um gay straight or something other than that um that you know it was it was

084a about gender identity um I as far as I can tell yes it it does if if you're construing it that way the the fourth circuit is construing it the same way they View Title s which I think may be wrong but um that's the way it's it's being construed you okay to be Mr jce that's right he's our lawyer well you you but but yeah but but seriously I'm I'm I I think we're actually harming and insulting our children when we leave out the term sexual orientation um what are we doing here I mean seriously I I have stressed over and over again how much harm has been done already to so many segments of our society over the years and we're getting better why are we going backwards um as far as the

085the sex and the ident the gender you identify with that's a whole another thing that too is science but the sexual orientation part that shouldn't be removed that that's just wrong and that that does reflect in our community when they hear things like that they're thinking you're not supporting our kids you're not supporting our families we are talking about Title 9 here okay we're talking about and that's what this basically whole thing covers nobody's going around saying that we should discriminate are against somebody over over sexual orientation but these things that are mentioned at least in common linguistic terms or when they were originally written meant something inherent it wasn't about who you prefer to sleep with it was about what sex you were what the consequences of what of a natural consequence of your

086sex which in the case of woman was you could have a baby and you could be pregnant and that's just a fact of being a woman l and a child birth that stuff was originally in there um so those kind of immutable characteristics that we're covering here we are not talking about we want to go around and you know disrespect people who are homosexual that's their choice and I'm not I'm not here trying to you know disrespect any of our students based off their sexual orientation but this particular policy has to do with Title 9 and it's more about immutable characteristics and the consequences of those immutable characteristics rather than you know something that's only vaguely related my only concern is taking it out of the policy says that you keep I mean you're right

087we shouldn't you're right we won't but I guess I I guess we need to align to whatever the title n law says and I I I have a new handy notebook of executive orders to keep track of the ones that are affecting education and I'm looking at the one specifically about um ex executive order 14168 which talks specifically about defending women from gender ideology extremism androy biological truths of federal government that covers um gender identity but it doesn't cover sexual orientation it does did I miss it somewhere no but I think it's like basically on what I was saying before if you say if you include sexual orientation you're saying that sexual orientation is an inherent something you're born this way and that's just simply are you a biological fact or a scientific fact it

088might be conjecture people aren't necessarily born one way or the other or in the middle I mean there's environment and there's factors that come into play I'm not saying anybody doesn't have a right to do it but you see by including in this in what's inherent and natural you're putting it on the same level and you know not everybody believes that that sexual orientation is determined birth not every scientist will agree with you either okay he can say that all he wants but the fact is the vast majority of scientists do say brains are wired in certain ways and people are born that way I it's not a choice I worked with way too many human beings over many many decades why would people choose to have to have this kind of misconstrued behavior in

089society and be treated as badly as they have historic by choice it's not working it doesn't work that way you can have your opinion but sir that is an opinion I'm going to make a motion that we um hold this in policy I think that I would like to do some more investigation I'd like to speak with our attorneys uh at lank about this I have not done about this particular policy so I'll make a motion that we hold 1720 in policy and uh discuss it we have more time next month is there second second further discussion all in favor please signify by saying I I I all opposed two to one Mr CH just to be clear I'm I'm I'm not I'm grousing about removing sexual or the deleted part my suggestion is that

090you don't add the biological part that's that's the the issue I'm getting at is that I think you should leave it as sex and and taking out the other part completely up to you it doesn't change the scope of the coverage on the other hand if you throw the word biological in it does change the scope of the coverage and I don't think we're going to come to a a without biology no no so I think that's why I'd like to have think about it we also hear from the full board on 1310 to see cuz that will come up in 1310 for sure whether we want to keep the word biological in or not and then we discuss 1720 at fur the length next month so so that's moving to I'm sorry 1720 is

091moving 1722 is going to be held right 1720 4030 and 7235 will be held okay and a 2 to one vote uh 3540 Comprehensive Health education program I wrote These edits but uh I certainly we we decided a lot at our last board meeting this is why I asked Dr Barn to maybe have a look at this see if I got it right because based of what our decisions were at the last board meeting last Tuesday so um did this summarize it why would you you suggest from change I'm sorry I had emailed you with these and asked you to have a look at this one because I I'm not as familiar with the the details of the program as you are I I tried to summarize what I thought our decision was last Tuesday

092and how it affected our teched you know options so I could got some of if you if you start at page 164 that deleted section seemed very similar to what is there but that is contained in the parent Bill of Rights regarding the health education program in kindergarten through fourth grade so that is already covered in the parent Bill of Rights that's why it's in our policy well we voted to get rid of it at every grade level uh and not just k a four well I'm I'm just that's what that statement is there for um yeah please I do have a policy update for this policy under Section six of our agenda this evening that um so I don't want that those two things to get confused um some of the things are are

093I'm the same changes but different um so I'm just wanted to make sure that everyone was aware of that I we're fine okay which one can I make may require major uh full majority but I'll make a motion that we move this item to after your item I'll second that all in favor of delaying the further discussion of 3540 until after at at the end of our meeting pleas signify by saying it'll take a super majority which is anyway uh all in favor please signify by saying I I I so we'll move U 3540 on down but below well put it as I the policy updation un County Schools all right bullying um this is one I worked on it's the same uh same thing biological sex things that I know our este's attorney will

094disagree with um and uh and some uh the whole thing some terms there and the only other thing really is um it removes gender identity and uh those are the um the thrust of the minor word changes throughout that's about it so we're going to take a 5 minute break Justice an opportunity uh for me to stretch my legs that's why I need make amendments and motions go ahead 10 minutes well we we only have8 minutes yeah all right we'll go 8 minutes all right 8 minute break all right move fast e e e we're going to come back to order thank you for a little bit of break but uh we do have several more policies to get through uh before the end of our meeting so we'll go ahead and jump right back

095in thank you uh board members two quick things just a quick reminder or not board members excuse me committee members um don't forget that there is a virtual ncsba I had that with me so I just want to remind everybody April 3rd and 4th is the virtual spring law conference oh good and also not to tell anybody but there's pictures in the back might want to vote on before you leave today you know anyway we will carry on to with policy 7311 what page is that and what page is that that is on the next page let's see [Music] 169 oh we would we discussed this but then we I already discussed this but uh and then we took the break y um I would like to make a motion because I think really the

096whole Board needs to weigh in on whether we keep the word biological in or not um and I think that we already have policy let me see here 1310 which has the word biological in it I mean I think that it would make sense that we maybe delay this policy also that we can address both policies together uh next month and that way there we can hear from the full board if they want to leave the word biological in which our attorney is saying he does not advise uh or if they want not to use that word v logical so I'm going to make a motion that we put uh 43 29 73 11 uh we hold that in policy uh until next uh month is there a second a second okay discussion sir yeah

097um I understand perhaps the last one uh because uh uh but this one is I believe this and I'm not saying that isn't something that we the PO Board needs to discuss but I ask holding it uh are we just not delaying this for another month before it can actually get passed by the full full board because we have to send it back and again concerned again that if we don't put the right language in here as soon as possible that we could lose our funding and wouldn't it be more prudent to send it along and then let the board decide uh because anybody at the board if we send along to the board with the biological sex one then they could make a decision whether to include those revisions or not and then at

098least it'll be in front of them and we won't be wasting an extra month this Justice yeah that word keeps popping up I think we need to talk about it because it's probably and something else in here too we need probably yeah so all right so we need to go ahead and and decide on that as a board instead of wasting everybody's timing going back and forth every time let's just decide on that I think that's a good idea also gender identity I'm very disturbed about some of the things I have heard today and I want to protect our kids we talk about safety this is bullying things alone scares the tar out of it so we need to talk about not just U biological sex but gender identity why are we pulling this out

099and allowing this kind of discrimination to occur I I would ask the yeah ask the chair to withdraw Mo and just send the send along to to the board maybe not with our recommendation but for them to consider it and make a decision on whether youth you biological or not I will make a counter motion uh or amended motion to uh pass it on to the board but uh with the deletions but using the word sex instead of biological sex is there a second hearing none okay we go back to the original motion we have a motion in front of us to hold it in policy uh all in favor of holding policy please signify by saying I I I all oppose n okay so it is held in policy 4329 is also held um

100carrying on to 5440 advertising in schools ex me 5 240 440 than want page uh that's 184 I think this one of M4 yes 185 actually uh Del uh deleting word sexual orientation and gender identity and and we have the word biological sex in there yeah there it is again we have to hold that parenting status Mr Barry wouldd like to speak to it please uh the um in this I again this is uh Prett pretty much the minimal change is a couple words in the gender identity which we had in the biological sex but if I ask our uh I just heard from our attorney you could you don't mind the word biological effect in this context in this context remember that my concern about the the other policies is Title Nine compliance that

101concern is not present really here only in the most attenuated Manner and it's not really a um front and center so I mean I I don't I don't see any real downside to this okay here make a motion that okay so this is 5240 I'll second that is there any discussion I'm not going to agree with it okay all in favor of uh bringing 5240 on to the full board for discussion and possible vote uh as amended please signify by saying I I all oppos oppos carries 2 to one operation of School nutrition car on to a couple Pages later schol still all right that is Page 17 192 and again we are putting in the word uh biological sex and beding parenting status to me no adding parenting status Del leading sexual orientation and

102gender identity Mr Perry speak to this we the same um um the I suggest that we take it uh I uh I would ask our attorney if he has any opinion on the use of bial sex in this particular concept I'm trying to think obviously my my since that is a a school program my preference would be to leave it at sex but um you know again I I think the odds of that becoming a legal problem for your exceedingly low okay um I don't see anybody being denied school lunch because of their gender identity so okay I make motion to adopt the changes okay 6220 I'll second that any discussion Miss Justice yeah what's with the deleted sexual orientation and gender identity I mean this is really getting heavy here sex sexual orientation should

103should be a that's right I don't the Supreme Court's already ruled on these things why are we discriminating against this group of our students this is appalling I believe our attorney has spoken to that the word sex would cover all that am I correct sir I sex would cover if we left it at sex obviously it would cover whatever types of of just because the statute's written the same way um so whatever the fourth circuit or the US suprem which says is included or not included is what's included or not included but um I I don't think if you believe that sexual orientation and gender identity are included in sex then you're already covered by it otherwise the um it's two here just to uh just to address Mr Justice Point um you know religion

104isn't in isn't in here either are we just because it's not on the list it means we're going to deny I can't school because because of their religion of course not I mean maybe we should add it okay would you like to make a motion sir I motion that we ad OPP that suggested to the full board okay I'll second 6220 uh any discussion favor of passing 6220 on to the full board please signify by saying I I I all oppos opposed there okay we're getting towards the end we do have board members just to let you know we have about eight minutes left we have several more policies see we got one two three four five and one we brought down so six so we may need to extend if that's minable to everyone

105we will car on that yes ma'am unfortunately I have a child I have to pick up somewhere okay school well um then um you guys can go on and I'll just leave at three is that okay see any changes I see changes in okay so there's no changes in 7100 so we'll leave that alone uh yes 7100 again uh bow title 7 bck I think it's control okay 7100 stays alone I think we already had that all right so then we carry on to the policy um from policy updates from n HCS 1310 looking over to my left there she is hi thank you so much so in 1310 under Section D number 12 I um the the staff recommends striking my life or stepping stones and just adding family life since that will be

106the name of the new curriculum for middle school and then also I know in 1310 you all talked about this earlier um there was a different recommendation that was presented earlier regarding number five under Section E5 we are recommending striking gender identity from the title and then just striking the word gender identity from the first paragraph under number five versus what was previously discussed today which was to um add well gender identity was not Struck from the on number five on the previous recommendation however um the one that was presented earlier had an additional sentence added at the beginning that the staff is not recommending what page is that on 221 sorry I was looking my 231 and this is in response to the board's action you said 231 221 thank you okay 21 there

107we goord 221 right here okay got you thank you all right I make a motion that we uh follow Dr Hamilton's recommendations the staff's recommendations is there a second this is I'm still trying to page 221 uh section five has instruction on sexual activity and sexuality and then instruction on gender identity is crossed through so it's eliminated so the paragraph would read instruction on sexual activities sexuality will not be included in the curriculum provided in kindergarten through fourth grade regardless of whether the information is provided by school personality or third party Personnel I second you I have a discussion go ahead um in my um of this correct me if I'm wrong um the board voted last Tuesday this program need to be off in versus off out correct um is that included in this

108it is it is not a change that was already and that's in the other policy actually but um that that was not a change you were already at opt in yeah we were so that part is not changing policy they here it is under Section um okay exus sorry C what page you want C4 C4 I have my look at page 217 folks thank 2 C4 there's your opportunities to withhold opt out um opt in withhold consent um but that's um included in policy 3540 about opting in that has not changed in your policy so that's why there was not a recommendation for change it's it's always been well it hasn't always been but in the last years it's been op in ver op out uh my reading of my reading of 354 of the

109exist 3540 seemed like it it was oped out and if you read the the language of the original um a section on that it sounds like parents would be notified and that they could opt out but there was no oped in and that this would be sent out and it said something to the effect of that that that the child would automatically be involed uh was the opposite when when students no we decided that last Tuesday but the policy as it is now I think said that unless are we still talking about 3540 or a different one we are on 1310 1310 the first one okay this is why they seem to be related but they're not the same well but to the point to the point that Dr that Mr Perry is making if

110you look at page 27 what the board voted on a couple weeks ago was it only last week is it only last week it feels like wow the board voted that our family life curriculum would have to be an opt in program correct it isre and in power school where they select because got it last week basically they will select you know yes I want to participate in family life no I don't want my child make this buting so they they they're opting in or opting out they're doing but on page 27 it says at number four part of the annual notification described by parents will be effectively notified that they may opt out of the any of the following and the family life for the sexual education curriculum is listed as a l odds

111and opt out because that's what's in general statute and at the bottom of page 218 is section D so go to page 219 218 at the bottom says parent permission required written parent permission is required prior to the following activities turn to page 219 number 12 that would include growth and changes family life thank you so the the section four is um alerting them of their opportunity to withhold consent or opt out and the next section goes goes into greater detail on these are the things your permission is explicitly required fa thank you okay well I I think we have I have a motion on the table to accept the um staff recommendation for policy 1310 is there a second I guess second thank you all right there we go all in favor or any

112further discussion I do it right if not all in favor of uh passing 1310 on to the full board please signify by saying I I I all oppos that three I'm notos notos okay okay so that carries 3 to zero and it is amended so it's amended 1310 Dr Hamilton uh excuse me one sec I'm sorry got to stop uh we are at the end of our time so I would entertain a motion to or I'll make a motion that we add 1 two three four uh 10 minutes can we do 10 we can do 10 okay I have to fly out of here then okay 10 minutes to our uh agenda today is there a second I'll second that okay all in favor all in favor I okay so we we we have 10

113minutes Dr Hamilton Dr Hamilton thank you policy 3420 student promotion and accountability on the first page under B second paragraph what page you on sorry um 225 225 225 everybody sorry okay um starting in the 2425 school year there is a new general statute 115c 15810 requiring Career Development plans for students and students cannot be promoted from um 8th grade until that is developed and then cannot be promoted on um thereafter until it is reviewed again and so with that said um when I reviewed this policy I noticed that section B was elementary and middle school promotion standards and in the second paragraph all that strike through was all related to secondary high school so I have moved that on to the next page under high school and I just added the general statute language

114in there that um you have to have that plan um and I moved that to that so that that aligns with the new general statute and then um two more pages over under I Credit Recovery we do have a new um state board policy that will also go into effect in the 25 26 school year that is graduation policy 009 and graduation policy 009 um no longer lets us give pass fail for High School Credit Credit Recovery courses you can only give a PF if it is a nonre graduation required class so um we had to change the pass spell for credit recovery to a numerical numerical decision and the staff has made the decision as have other school systems in the state to make that a 6059 so if you pass you get a

11560 which is the lowest passing grade and then if you do not you get a 59 which is the highest fail grade I make a motion that we accept the documentation or the the policy corrections as made by DR by the staff a second okay any further discussion if not all in favor of passing the amended 3420 to the board please signify by saying I I all oppose like sign 3540 Dr Hamilton thank you 3540 is the comprehensive health and safety education program in response to the board's decision the last time we met um on page 235 second paragraph We Are recommending to strike gender identity under Section B we are recommending taking out in the just the nhcs Family Life Education Program is offered through grade 6 through 8 because we used to offer

116two and now we are only going to be offering one program then on page 236 second paragraph um permission from parents or Guardians in grades 5 through 8 shall be received prior to their child's participation in Family Life In The Family Life program so we added that and and marked out the placement into the following gender sex that ual orientation lgbtq plus inclusive language education programs and then again made the reflective change to grade 6 through eight family life being the one choice versus having two choices there as was previous and then on that same page right above letter C you will see that um we have marked out any parent wishing to withhold consent must do so in writing to the principal or their design because we felt that for them to have to

117opt in anyway that didn't make sense so we Mark that out I'll make a motion that we accept the staff's recommendation for changes to policy 3540 is there a second second but discussion discussion the uh what you say is fine I just want to uh we had some in this is probably a good time to look at my version which is on page 165 compare and I think most what they uh one of the things that we discussed and I think that we voted upon is that uh we that this would be since is opt in that some kind of a form would be sent to the parents and also we also discussed that um parents should have the ability to opt out of certain topic areas um and I think believe we decided that

118so they would have out certain last yes under on I don't cage now above C 236 there's a paragraph beneath grade 5 grade 6 and 8 that section it says the parents um Can the last next to last sentence excusing excuse from participating in any part of the entire sex education portion of the health education curriculum so they can also opt out of portions if they so desire right so I think my my version just make make it clear we're going to put this on the form that we sent on the parents like here's the L plan and you can mark it off I'm sorry ahead go ahead I just want us to recognize as Educators the burden that puts on teachers to every day sort of mix and match all of our curriculum I

119think if a parent has a specific concern as every other thing in the curriculum they should go to the principal and address it that way so we're going to wait for them to object before we allow them to opt out yeah why wouldn't so when the parent makes the decision to opt in they've already had the opportunity to go to the principal's office and review all the lessons in the curriculum so then when they they have to either opt in or opt out in power school they have to do one of those two things so they opt in and if they have any concerns about what may or may not be discussed or taught they go to the principal's office they review the curriculum and then if they determine that they want to opt out

120of a particular lesson they on the principal was he going to go to the office to do this or yes sir we do not post our curriculum online no I mean there's no it seemed like at least there was a stepping ston before a lot of was sent home uh and then inform them with this and and gave them some ability to set it back if you want to opt out kind of thing this is the prior mode or at least it's at least for stuffing F anyway if you read the old language that's in there now it seems to indicate that um the so we're getting away from sending a form home parents on this he want to know are we're sending a form home for them to op up how do how are

121we doing that they typically get that when they enroll in the spring for the next year but this year since the board was in the middle of a decision the middle schools are going to give that information to parents at open house house for them to make that decision to open house and then that opportunity then they could discuss further if they need to so that they already can be there that first day of school they don't show up well if we're requiring up there I think we need send it home to every parent whether they they're at the open house or not well that's what I was just joking about they'll get home believe me they still send the materials home if you don't come to open house the materials are sent home on

122the first day of school with the children yeah we do have a motion in the second is there any discuss any more discussion if not all in favor of passing 3540 on to the full board for further for their review please signify saying I I I all oppos I'm going to say that pass free and that's amended so it's under the amending group we're at 4440 4440 starts on 239 and um 239 I got you just a question um because this is you know I just wanted I wanted to know uh so this is state law now that that we can't you sent that to me I want to make sure everybody knew that this is now state law it is it is the um North Carolina state board of education graduation policy 009 this

123also takes effect next school year 2526 that um we used to use FF for students who didn't have a passing grade and had x amount of absences FF may only used for a student who does not have a passing grade now um but also have significant absences oh I I just you know get you m just on I just you know I know we we're trying to get kids to come to school we want kids to come to school and I you mean I think it's going of kicks ourselves in in the tail on this one because uh you know as a formal I don't agree with yeah okay CH two days three days and as long as you pass your pass anyway Mr Justice I will I have to leave unfortunately but I'm to

124I'm sorry no it's my fault I'm sorry well I totally agree with you but but if this is what we have to do because it's the law then obviously I'll report but to all all of our lifelong Educators point this does not alleviate the requirement the legal requirement for attendance in school mandatory tenance is still a general okay um yeah I I don't I think we should uh and maybe it's illegal so and if it is illegal you used to have you were the principal used to have discretion in these correct you could see if they were out for legitimate reasons or there was a death in the family you could you you could you could take account of that of course and now you're or if you knew that you're just balling off C

125Class you know then you know the difference and you know you you would want to obviously if you pass the course and you had have legitimate excused absences then you want to be probably want to pass them but now now you were talking about passing them regardless even though you know they just not showing up and uh and they figured they passed you know half the all there's no way I can fail now so I'm going to blow off the last week half of school I mean we used to have when I was in school you know you know Senior Skip dat but we'll times that by a couple of weeks couple weeks uh attorney so state bo policy we we have to follow obligate okay all right so I'll make a motion we pass

1264400 uh as amended onto the full Board second is there a second I second okay all in favor please cedy by saying I I I allos yeah me too agree with on that one uh I think that is the end of our agenda am I correct we get through I do it do we do it honestly Alles here I we'll recycle it it's just these are so complex I don't I hate this too but I can't do it without it you know what I mean yeah I me too yeah trees are a renewable resource landfill space is not I'll entertain a motion to adjourn second okay I'll make the motion then all right all in favor put saifi by saying I hi we are Jour thank you all we got it done I didn't think

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