NHCS Board of Ed. Budget Work Session | Feb. 26, 2025

001e e e got a black coat on I'm going to call the budget work session to order Miss buy will you call oh you call the rooll Miss Melissa Mason here Josie barnhard here Pat Bradford I am here Judy Justice here Tim Merrick here David Perry Pete Wilder boor present all right uh I will entertain a motion to approve the agenda move do I hear a second second any discussion yes ma'am Miss bford I would like to add anywhere on there a discussion of the board members stifen any particular location don't care can you pick one I don't have a copy of oh I do right in front it's right in front of you um maybe between 4 and five if that works for whoever's presenting four and six or five that would be misson

002is that where does it work for you okay all right so putting it in between four and five okay all right any discussion uh all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed that passes to zero uh now do I hear a motion to approve the amended agenda so move move second any further discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I any opposed passes 6 to zero if we could stand for the pledge Miss Bradford will you lead the pledge pledge Ali to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right and this is not my show this is Miss Sutton's show so I'm GNA pass it over to

003her all right so first I want to make sure everyone has a binder everyone should have a budget binder and um thank Miss Jenny Ren for putting these together for you she did a wonderful job with it um first I thought I'll just kind of go through the bind to just um cover what's included and then I'll actually start with the work session items if that's okay so um in the front of the binder you have a calendar and that has been revised based on the date change of this meeting then you have a tab that's called budget changes you have an allotments Tab and that allotment tab will go through that but State allotment formulas um current year local allotment formulas and a proposed change for next year you have a positions tab that

004has current year position information there for you to review there is a purchases tab that shows um and I will talk a little bit more about this in a few minutes but it shows the different purchases that we've made um as far as the budget for those purchases over this year and then you have an operational 2425 budget Tab and it has 10 20 and 30 on it so this is a budget report for this current year that shows for the operating budget what things are included in that budget and um 10 being State 20 means local and 30 means Federal and then you have a tab that says 2425 budget and it has 4150 and 81 and and so those are the other funds that we have in our budget that we don't really

005consider part of the operating budget because those are capital Child Nutrition and like Grant type things that we receive in that fund 81 and then you have behind that tab you have a chart of accounts tab so one of the things that we had talked about in some previous meetings is it would be helpful to have some definitions to kind of match back up with the budget codes and we can spend a little bit of time individually if you'd like or at the end of the meeting um talking through how to match up those definitions to that budget report that's in the packet and then um acronyms was something else that came up in one of our meetings I don't know this is a complete list but we did um develop some things here for

006you and we can certainly add to it as we go um if something comes up that's not here you wish was here I'll be glad to add okay and just want to add that that when Ashley and I were talking at Miss Sutton really wanted to provide for the board a comprehensive understanding of the complete budget because we know that what we've been talking about really is transparency so we wanted you guys to have basically all the information I don't obviously expect you to have the working knowledge of every single thing in this book and we're going to focus a lot on the first few pages of it but we wanted to make sure that we had provided to you a full accounting of everything so you know what you're looking at moving forward right

007and very good point I my intent is not to get through this entire book today but to give you resources that you can look at and um go through on your own and um I look forward to questions that might come out of that review of those other documents so um now I'd like to go to um the budget changes tab if you'll go to the last page in that tab section and it'll be a white page and it's entitled bud summary 2425 fiscal year budget say it again y so it's behind the um budget changes tab is the very last page it'll be a white page and it's titled budget summary 2024 2025 fiscal year budget directly behind yes and so I wanted to start with our current year budget I know we've talked

008about that a lot in our budget listening sessions but we have had some changes to the budget um this summary page includes the last budget amendment that was actually approved at our last board meeting so I wanted to give you a revised sheet that shows that information and so this will be familiar um you've seen this format before but starting at the top um current year Revenue sources you can see um State makes up a majority of our Revenue at 50 4% um counties at 31.2% and then Federal makes up that 99.1% and um that question came up um how much of our funding of our total budget is federal and so here you can see that's $ 34 uh million do and that does include Child Nutrition USDA funding that we receive yes well

009yesterday we been it's hard to keep track of everything there really is but yesterday a figure of 19% was given as far as Federal funding so it's actually 9% yeah so looking at our entire budget is 9% and then and you'll see um let's see I have that in here yeah looking at our entire budget is 9% but um I think the question asked in a recent meeting was how much um like a dollar amount without Child Nutrition is 22.2 million um of that $34 Million number 12 million of that is related to the Child Nutrition USDA funding um would you address how this number fluctuates all the time in terms of the funding coming in and how it it es and flows because it's hard to have a concrete number on any one given

010day and I've been trying to say you know check the website check before you quote a number and this is even a couple of pennies less than than what I quoted two weeks ago so can you explain why that fluctuates it's not that you're doing something to F yeah so it's it's if it's just like a few pennies or dollars and that's probably a rounding depending on how you run the report and how you're rounding at different levels but what happens is um we start off with initial allotment so when we're building our budget for next year we're going to build the budget based on funding that we know we get every year that we know to expect it and it's going to come in but what happens for us is during the year we'll

011be eligible to apply for different grants so there are um EC is a good example like DPI will open up where we can if we have kids that meet this certain criteria or fall into this category we can submit an application and receive additional funding for that pot of money and so we that happens a lot during the year so that's why periodic during the year I bring budget amendments and I try to list you know it's an increase of a million dollars because of you know this grant or we receive this additional funding beyond what we thought we would receive for um teachers or whatever it might be so we're constantly getting adjustments to our Revenue throughout the year um we actually get adjustments almost monthly from DPI um I uh and so we're

012sometimes they're small so I don't bring necessarily every one of those changes and I just kind of accumulate those and when I have a large amount then I'll bring it to the board for the approval so that we're not bringing things constantly thank you does that help thank you and the state one is the one that moves the most often because they do have reconciliation every month correct yes that's true um and like the safety grants like there's just a lot of examples of things in the original budget we don't know is going to be there or we've applied for and we don't know if we've gotten the money yet so as it comes in we budget those is this a good time to tell us what comes in in advance and when comes in

013in the rear what comes in a federal state and local um or is it all in the rears so our state funding is is funding in a rears meaning um they look at our um second month student average daily membership this year to tell to determine what our state revenue is going to be next year and that's our starting point and so um next year when we get after the second month if our numbers are higher the state will give us more funding if it's less they'll just hold us harmless until the end of the year but we'll know we'll have to adjust for that going into the following year um Federal is a little different they're they're going to fund us um normally based on different head counts um the different population of students

014that we have and so it does vary um from year to year depending on the students that we have um however they normally give us a planning allotments but they're so late in the year we're normally done building our budget before we ever get Federal planning allotments so as of right now I've gotten no allotments from are federal but we're building the budget making lots of assumptions and I'll go over those assumptions with you today and then once we have the actual Revenue numbers then we'll have to come back and adjust to sh everything up I'm G to follow up R's question though so the funding in the model that's on the ADM but what is what are what is the state doing is reconciliation because you said there's a monthly reconciliation so we would

015potentially be getting small amount a large amount funds where does that come from so yep so every month we get something that's called a revision report an allotment revision report from DPI and that makes adjustments based on if we've applied for and received a grant okay so gr or Y or it could be um um we're using ncvps um and so the state makes an adjustment and takes teacher positions from us to fund ncvps slots and then so that's an adjustment you would see um when we have um foreign exchange teachers originally we're giving the money in like a regular classroom teacher allotment um but once we identified who those foreign exchange teachers are going to be we turn that into DPI they take it out of one program number put it in another program

016number so it's sometimes it's not even an adjustment um to the bottom line but it's adjustments between programs so that we can make sure we're spending the money um on eligible expenses for those particular programs thank you a good case in point for international teachers who serve participate program they have to be in a different budget code because they don't receive pension they don't receive retirement so they get p and there's a different cost associ yeah that's exactly right M cool thank you um so next we have um our expenditures and we have this categorized by purpose so as you can see it's the same amount in total 377 um6 million um instructional as we would expect makes up 69.5% that's the largest percent of our total budget with systemwide support making up 68.8 um

017million at 18.2% % and I um because we've gotten questions in the past I did put a little note out to the side trying to give a description of those different purposes thinking that possibly that's helpful um and then next in middle of the page I'm breaking out the operating expenses so we can see um so the top talks about total budget and then we're focusing in on our operational expense budget so as you can see here that's um 300 16.8 million um 76.8% is related to instruction with 20.4% systemwide supports and that's a majority of our operating budget there um reviewing that same budget but looking at it in a different format um we have it broken down by object so here you can see how much of that budget is salary and employer

018provided benefits um and purchase servic as you can see here um salaries make up 56.9% employer benefits 26.2% so when you look at those first three lines that makes up 93% of our operating budget and that's why I decided in your binder to actually break out a tab so purchases behind that tab you'll see the detailed budget that makes up 99.8% of the current budget and then when you look behind the operational tab um and if you look through those expenses and you look through the positions behind I'm sorry the positions tab um you look through those positions that makes up 90 so if you review those things you've reviewed 93% of our operating budget and the fact that people make up 83% of our budget M yes operation Asos as opposed to Capal yes

019so when we look at our total budget um versus operating the difference is total budget in also includes capital and it includes Child Nutrition um and then it also includes grants that um we receive um not through DPI but through other agencies so like for example NC prek would be included in that um the county prek grants we receive are included in that so because does those have to be spent on those particular grants is why we're separating those things from the operating for accounting purposes right M for accountability purposes yep is you have more flexibility with the operational budget how you spend it the capital once the county says this is what we're funding or the state says that's what we're that's what we have to spend it on same thing with the grants

020once we apply and we get it that's what we have to spend it on Child Nutrition have to spend that money on Child Nutrition so that's the reason we separate those we really don't have flexibility operating is where we have our flexibility to make changes our question is for Dr you just said 83 someon percent did you mean under operating expenditures total by object the first two lines salaries and the benefits salaries and benefits % of the want make sure everybody understood that that's those two things have to be combined when we talk about right people because that is that is the difference right there is exactly the difference between when you talk about a salary a person takes home and the what the district invests in our employees those are the reasons for those

021two different things there 82.8 $6 million that nobody ever sees but somebody's got to pay for us right when's the last time we bit out our benefits I know last year we talked about we've seen a substantial increase over the last five years and so I'm just curious what the process of that is because I don't want to take way benefits so that's a state so the state does that they handle all of that they do healthare but then we also offer there's like a on our website there's a whole list of the benefits that we offer so that is not included here so this number is just what we pay for our employees and those extra benefits like Vision Dental is not included in that number because the our employees are paying the premiums

022on those themselves does that make sense those are those are benefits that you can accept as employe right well I guess that's I guess that's what my question is how often do we F that out to see if we um we we're H we're happy with the group that we have there's another group called The Pierce group that think uh that have been looking around we told them we needed a year before we would make a decision about look that we may Reid that okay so it's there's not like a time it's just whatever right okay all right thank you well we have a a contract with the benefit group have here it has not run out yet okay got was good and then at the bottom of the sheet you can see um the

023average daily membership so this is the same little chart that we've shown before that shows the locations um I I did want to add while we were um reviewing that chart um as we're going into um next year um as we had just talked about using that funding in a AAR model with the state we are anticipating um funding from the state for $4,599 um students and so of course comparing that number to this 24858 that you see here the is the K12 subtotal we do have a decrease there of about 259 if I'm I think that's 259 students that was from this year's yes that's how they yeah that's exactly right and once again I I know I'm repeating a little bit but if um our student numbers actually come in higher than that

02424 um 5.99 then the state will make that right they'll they'll give us the additional funding for have have our many more kids come but if we're shorter than that then they'll hold us harmless until um the next year which is a much easier way for us to manage budget it's e what they used to do is they would come and take money back yes just change yes that's right this is the first year that they've used that model mhm that's a great little chart there at the bot thank you yep you're welcome um and then if you don't mind let's look behind the allotments tab so that's the next tab we have um here three um three different sheets of paper they're all different colors to help us out but the first sheet is

025state allotments so the state allotments are on the white sheets of paper and as you can see there's we actually receed three different categories of allotments from the state and so the first page is um our dollar allotments and you can see there the different and this is probably familiar to you I know we've talked a lot about formulas this year um the second page is um the sheet for position allotments and this is where we we've talked about before um the state pays for a certain number of positions no matter the cost they'll cover everything associated with that position we we really like so when you go to Raley we really like position allotments if I haven't said that enough we really like those you might be happy to know and my fellow board

026members I just saw that um I think it was yesterday two days ago a representative from the house um adopted a lot of the things from the letter that we had addressed of the minimum pay it to be 50,000 a 5% step increase and um part of the bill was talking about reevaluating the allotment system which I think I think all of us around this table are happy to see um so cross crossover you know there's lots of stuff that happens on the state level but there's crossover deadlines that hasn't happened yet but I was pleased to at Le see that bill come to fres and a lot of the things that we have had conversations about being brought up at the state level that's encouraging hope it's not changed yet but I'm I'm it's

027on my eyes to keep watching uh p three shows the categorical allotments and this is where we've talked about you know we received funding for different type different um specific groups of students based on the needs of those students so that's on page three and then um the next in addition to so allotments are in addition to or that's it so what will happen is we get allotments for all students and then we'll get an addition allotment for children with disabilities for our AIG students so it there's a base allotment and then we'll get allotments on top for the special needs of different groups of children that com state or federal this this is actually it we get from the state from federal as well but we're specifically talking about State now yeah so on

028page three it talks about the areas that we receive the additional funding from the state but often that categorical allotment will top out at a certain percentage as you see down there and academically gifted M they will give us $492 per child up to 4% of our population right does anyone want to take a stab at how many of our students in new han County are identified as AIG 133% I was going to say 12 get close 21.3% W that's good in a way but sad well there's there's I want to say a huge amount difference between 4% and 21% wow and these are the struggles that I think we wanted to bring to you folks is that when it tops out at a certain percentage when you're a high performing District like we are

029right and you have incredibly effective teachers and intelligent children and families that that's a that's a cost differential that's about $300 per student yeah instead of 14 yeah thank you for bringing that up Chris because I I had that's very important and I had forgotten to mention that we should be proud of that and should be aware wow okay next we have um a couple of blue sheets of paper so this is um showing the allotment formulas that we're using in the current year so these are our local allotment formulas remember these are the allotments that we actually allocate everything by which is more than the state um but we use our County funding for that difference and so um I wanted you to have that as a reference if you flip on through you'll

030see some green sheets of paper so these are our proposed formulas as we're building the budget for this year the only change and Chris you help me if I missed anything but the only thing um that we changed on these formulas compared to the current year is on page three we're proposing to make a change from um it's at the in the middle of the page where it says all schools non-salary formulas we're proposing to make a change from um $65 per student for instructional supplies um to $60 per student So currently it's $65 and we're proposing a change to 60 and then the next line for prek instruction Cal supplies um we're proposing to make a change from $30 per student to $120 per student so that's a pretty big jump oh I'm sorry

031sorry from um 65 to 60 and from 130 to0 sorry I am sorry about that 30 30 to 120 I'm like w one of the reasons that we're looking at doing this adjustment uh we're having some concerns of things like athletic equipment the cost of athletic equipment increasing and the need to make sure we have updated and valid equipment for kids to use so everything in this bottom box is regarding supplies yes and thank you um one of the one of the legislative agenda items that our board adopted was the support of prek and in particular one of the biggest discrepancies that we see is the difference of funding from the state level that private sites receive versus public sites and so that as conversations that whenever we have them we can address that openly

032rough it's not quite half but it's close to half and so to have those conversations to help um close that differential with exponentially us that was a Devastation to our community for us to lose the Head Start Grant um but that is an area of Target as far as common language that when we have these conversations of that's kind of what the target focus when we're talking about in prek how we can maintain the high quality we have a phenomenal program we're seeing a lot of good growth with our younger students and the performance that they have in kindergarten going up so um just so just so we're aware when we're talking to our representatives of where that Target focus is M bref and do you mind explaining why we're going down $5 and why

033we're going down $10 per students because to be honest a lot of the part of the media and social media criticism we get is teachers have to go and buy their own supplies we hear a lot of that and so here we are taking away what's the logic behind that well so just as Dr Barnes had said we we have um athletic equipment um that um those schools haven't been able to make those purchases in several year and Julie can probably talk better to this and so trying to figure out a way to for the safety aspect of it having the equipment that's needed in those athletic programs I'll let you speak yeah I I'll just reiterate that it's mainly about the um safety equipment for athletic programs and at this point if we don't

034replace this Pro those the equipment then we're going to need to reduce the number of students who are able to participate the fund into the right okay right so was there a change to the athletic formula or no cuz I see that's down at the bottom so if we're worried or is that something so I have I have not made a change here we were um I can't remember if it would make would it make a change to this formula or is it a separate program I can't remember so it was the additional request that should be um included so I added it as a as a request I don't know how it should calculate in the formula um let me go back I with you on that yeah I can't remember if it's um

035an a different pot of money or if it should be an adjustment to this formula so let me go back and check that and I can't see the bottom and I don't have a handout so I'm not sure what we're referring to it doesn't change the allotment all there you go this allotment is also for things like paying for officials and like that this would be a separate item that we would use specifically to repair equipment got and I was just going to say and it was 150 years ago that I was athletic but at least you have at least yeah but you have no idea how much like refurbishing a helmet football helmet is and I mean you have to have to have that you know but it's those are you know your initial

036expense is bad enough but then to have it refurbished which you have to do every certain number of years it's very very expensive Justice yeah and put that every school has different support system within the school that can help pay for that some schools don't and you can see the difference and and that's painful for the kids because they can see the difference when they go play sport from place to place and we were lucky this year that with Ashley's sort of unbelievable maneuvering in the budget we were able to put some money back out uh in October I think is when we did it you know our intention would be if we get to this place again that that'll be a choice that we'll make collectively together about what to do with that and

037if we decide to put some of it back into Supply money we certainly can Bradford to continue that um how many schools do we have that don't have that extra support just off the talking gez it it it's so wide and so varied it's PTA support it's booster support at high schools it really just depends mean is it a dozen is it two dozen is it three dozen jeez I would hesitate that would be something I'd have to ask principles to get an accurate number I could I could give you my own gut but that's not going to be if you did that and then each one of us took a portion of that and tried to build some community support for that one entity or those two entities or whatever we could knock that

038out and and raise community support for each you know for a group of those schools you divide it by seven it's not that hard you see what I'm saying I do I do and I know that every principal certainly every Elementary principle is amazing at groundbreaking funding you know fall festivals things like that I remember that our fall festival you would get this amount of money back and instructional money you know so there's those things happen on a daily basis but some schools can raise significantly more money during those events than others Dr um I think that sports are essential it's it's such an opportunity for leadership building and and team building and a lot of stuff but instructional materials likewise are essential and it feels like we're just pring more onto the backs of

039our Educators so I know we all feel the same way I know we don't want to reduce anything and if I said well where else could you put it pull it from whatever it was I wouldn't like it right but I just want to highlight that we can't keep putting more on our and it has to be said I think we all feel the same way but but these sort of choices were to make sure we didn't have to cut staff and I know you don't like that either I know I know we don't either Miss burer oh thank you I wanted to speak a little bit to miss to my colleague to my last Point um we're not allowed to crowdfund for needs of the district either I think there's a policy against that

040too um so I want to be care I appreciate Community Support I know we've had donors to pay off lunch debt and things like that and so I'm all for anytime we can tie and Community Partners but I um I'm hesitant to say hey let's put it on somebody to take care of the responsibility of the school district more like Community respon Partnership and I and I know that there's the PTA and PTO are separate than the school system and I think a lot of schools have that and some even have Partnerships with one another but the flexibility comes with how much is actually earned from every facility um yeah so I just I just wanted to put that out there because I love the idea and I whenever I can plug people in I

041do the same thing but just think we need to be careful about I don't even understand what Crow funding is so that wasn't something I was thinking but just for example you know the the the shoe giveaway that One Bank did um I think there's plenty of entities out there that would love to do something if they just knew there was a need and that was the direction I was going well we have a community liaison that would be probably the best bet to tie in our Community Partners too to be responsive to the needs I think it's Justice yeah and in all honesty we were we to do this job we start to Veer off into all these other directions and that's going to take us away from what we need to be focusing

042on um that would be all well and wonderful but at this point we already put a ton of hours into here and I have no problem with that I ran into knowing what what it meant but I think this is our main priority not adopting a school and putting a whole lot of energy into that one that actually is a community out there that they need to be the ones that are taking on because it's their school you know I mean you adopt all the schools you want but don't please don't let's not put that in as part of what we do here as a as a responsibility and I know that there are several churches that do sponsor the schools around them um and so I think that that's that's super beneficial and I

043and I could be wrong but I think Miss Bradford is just saying hey if if we can just let people know that there's a need I don't know if you want us to be like let's go and find all the F no I think that just expressing that there's a need in these schools to have like schools need more support you know that exactly 144% of our schools you know or what specific schools are struggling or or need that backing like speak also the the turnaround task force is also looking at that too so maybe asking questions there around how they can you know find funds with some of these uh schools and this money that instructional Supply money isn't always money that directly goes to a teacher either it's also for things like paper

044it's also for things like the schoolwide things that happen and principles can try to adjust some of those numbers internally so the teacher doesn't feel a difference what they get okay so I don't know is now when we wanted to cover the um board stiens yeah oh M Justice just work us right into it m Justice you will have some extra papers at you spot you weren't here and that is from me and um Jenny has given us got here ear yeah and you have a copy you should have a copy from the uh the board budget everybody I gave some of you yesterday did you bring it do you have a spare copy do I have a spare copy I do do you have one thank you Judy I gave you into which one

045crud mine's at home oh it's under your notebook okay okay I'm just following directions back and forth do you have the other one the one you and I created and looked that could you email to me know I don't no the one I gave you last oh I put it over no the other one that's right no you're this very I know how does it different it's not it's not it was something I generated something different that I gave yesterday oh I have that yeah everybody has a copy of that so this is how much money well Ash this is how much money that we have control of copy he says that's I have that too I gave everybody a copy that too yeah I don't think I don't I forgot to grab mine hold

046on am might rush out the door there it is I wrote all over mine take a but that's what we have control over and um back aming mie so you know the part where we get the stien for travel and education um that fluctuates because some people do more than others it's been my observation and you can correct me if I'm wrong but generally of the seven of us at least one or two don't use all their funds um and when that happens that just goes back to the fund balance so um it took me almost two years to get all that figured out so I'm sharing you secret stuff um not secret we not secret again this is not a pool this is restricted if you don't use it it goes to goes to

047the general fund yeah so um and last year we trimmed our budget because everybody every Department did and we trimmed it and I can't remember what we trimmed I think we trimmed food and supplies um and so I was looking in there to see if there was anything that we could trim but not really trim but shift into increasing our stien and you have and you guys don't have this but you have four pages of a draft document that I did which just gave you the history of how we get paid there were a couple media reports recently that said that we don't get paid at all and and then there was another one I can't remember what it said so um and we don't get paid we get a stien we get a stien

048and it's supposed to be based on the number of meetings that we have for month if you look at the general statute which is 115c something or other um and Dr Barnes has given us a copy of the top 12 schools and you have that too of what they do but it's based on two meetings a month and I did a little fun thing yesterday while I was daydreaming in another meeting here and I wasn't in the meeting I was just observing but in February we have seven scheduled that the public has access to you know by live stream that's not counting all the other meetings we have this month January 5 December 3 November 3 October 5 September 4 August 5 July 5 June 5 May 7 April 7 March and February uh of

049last year six each you know and it goes on like that and that's not counting all the time we spent in the hiring uh process or any of the other small things that we do so I appreciate being given this report of what the other boards get but um we do more than two meetings a month so with that said this this copy mine's in blue and it says draft at the top of it I gave you the history and what's interesting about our stien is that in 2008 when teachers were fured the board chose to dock their stien um significantly um like 8% in some change um it may the exact number may be there and then in 2018 10 years later they'd had no increase from that docking and they gave themselves back

050what they took away and then there was a 1 and a half% cost of living I think that same year and there's been nothing since then so I gave you some statistics of what the teachers got their raises state employees got their raises and I talked about Cola because if you're not in business you may not really have a good grip of cola but there's two ways to look at a cost of living adjustment um there's the federal one and the Social Security One are slightly different but they they generally are running pretty close to each other I give you that information again I'm not ask you for a vote on anything today but I do want to make you familiar with this um and there's the historical data of what the colas were from

0512018 to now so my proposal was we just give ourselves each one of those colas for the years that we've missed since the last 1 and 1 12% that they went up and that takes us to approximately $28,000 that we'd have to find in the budget for ourselves that's for total all set all of us all of us and so that's why I said look at our budget and see if there's anything we can trim there and I have to admit that I had this in mind when we hired Aaron buer to look at finance that if he could save us a gobs of money that maybe we could we could just get a little bit increase in our stien we don't know yet what that dollar amount is but um it's 500,000 $500,000 so

052board action this year brought us in $500,000 because we we said yeah we'll risk spending under $90,000 right uh and we we got back 500 so that's a $410,000 increase from us being smart business people so this is Is My Idea um it has to be approved by the County Commission and you'll see a note in there somewhere that three years ago County Commissioners voted themselves as they raise taxes an 82% increase in their pay and they get if y'all don't know they get 39,000 and some change in $49,000 in some change for their pay and the seven of us receive about $1,000 a month for the two meetings that we come to a month so I just wanted to put it out there it would take a board vote it would take the County

053vote and I'm hoping that we can look at this and come up with some ideas for how to find some money M Bart and then thank you m Brad for for bringing this to attention um just just so that I'm processing um accurately and making sure I'm on the same page as you um it looks like what you're proposing is potentially for us to look at going from the $112,000 732 um that we received to increase it 4,000 each individual which would bring it to a total of 16732 for the year for each of us um and looking at these line items I think um to do that most effectively would be a decrease looking at the reimbursement travel rates of some and that would be able to recoup some of where that 28,000 goes

054um I I think that this is fair to look through and consider as board members um I yeah we don't we do not receive any benefits nor do I want to advocate for that but I think it's something to reevaluate and look at as important because um we have we're going to continue to advocate for our community and I appreciate you looking at the details of this thank you um and and Ashley can you talk about the things that on sorry Dr MKS um thank you P for doing this I think that what I would like to bring up is that it seems and I'm sure the public would hear it this way that if we want more money we're taking it away from our kids and I don't think that's the right way to

055be viewing this I think going to the County Commissioners and this is a separate item from our school budget this is actually you know how to you know obviously it all rolls into the school budget but this is asking them for something different this is not saying oh we need more athletic equipment or we need need more teachers assistance we don't want to take money away from our different programs in order for the board to get just compensation do you hear do you hear the difference that I'm trying to create thank you um or M and and and I just I just was going to ask her to explain go down the list and explain those items for example we spend uh $4,525 memberships and I just wondered if there's anything in there we could

056trim um last year we we trimmed our food budget um but did we have how how are we doing on our food budget are we going to come out having spent all of it or will there be money left in there that we could if we trimmed a couple bucks from everything it might work out and then there's that $410,000 we brought the district yeah so um I think you're going to maybe go over a little bit on food I I I haven't honestly done a good analysis of that and so I can certainly bring that back to the next work session um and I know I have something somewhere I didn't bring it with me that talked about the things and all those different categories because we talked through that last year um I

057I the um part the membership dues and fees you guys have you see you've already spent all of that and I think we went through those membership and fees last year and felt um that we needed all of those but definitely I think it's worth going through that again I can bring the details for each of those lines and we can go through that I just don't have it with me and I don't know right off the we got a couple of these scheduled I just wanted to get it out there and and have everybody thinking about it because if if if we do it this would be a good year to do yeah and and realistically I'm retired semi retired you're about to be semi retired I'm saying I wish well the point the

058point and the point is is that it's it's really hard for people reg regular younger people to run I mean I'm just being honest here it takes time out of you work and they have to miss work and they're not getting really compensated for it and so that really can make a person when they decide to run for an office think twice because they have to pay their bill not that I don't and believe me I can use I'm stretch thin I got kids I'm very unusual reti but that would also help anything we can do to increase the Public's participation and feeling like they could be on a board and be able to not have their family sacrific to the point regular people you know it shouldn't always be just people with extra means

059that can serve because all of us you're so rich right we all we all you know we all should have the opportunity and there's a lot of people that can't and this isn't a lot but maybe this would help yes you and I would point out I don't know this for a fact but I know that Mr Perry has to work every Wednesday and I I think this is Wednesday so the fact that this is the second Wednesday meeting he's missed I'm thinking it's because he has to work and um I know for the last two years my full-time work schedule and my darn close to full-time Schoolboard schedule were in Conflict a lot and I sacrificed and worked until midnight 1:00 in the morning in order to make it up and he doesn't have

060that option so it would help it would help leave it I was just going to say we have this other chart that thank you again M Brad for all the together but you know the chart that shows the you know the Big 12 uh and where we Rank and you know it's not like we're asking even to be anywhere near the top you know of the Big 12 um you know there's there's only a few that are below us but the vast majority are well above us and then they get additional travel money and you know this kind of thing so uh you know I think Dr Merck makes a very good my colleague way around the table it's a very good uh point that you know maybe we can just shift some money not

061not ask for you know because obviously none of us I would say um I I think we're all in agreement that we don't want to take money out of a classroom or anywhere like that but if we can even take some of our own monies and reshi them um you know and take a little bit from here a little bit there from our monies that you know that are already spent on us we could you know probably do this and uh you know make it a good thing so I agree with you well it's a good thing the Ink's dry and uh okay one of the things that I think and Ashley you're going to have to help me understand the order of operations this would be something that we would bring forward in the

062budget that the board approves or is this something that can be directed separate from the budget itself so um I haven't actually done this before but my understanding how it work is that um the our board would approve that as part of this budget process and then uh when we make the submission to the county that would be part of what I included in the budget submission that goes to the county got it does that me that's how I think it would work I want to make sure haven't had to do this before see right I think some kind of reconciliation accounting is appropriate because you guys are I would say far below there's a couple of counties there are three counties that are significantly below sort of the mean average and even the money

063that Miss Bradford's proposing doesn't even I don't even think it shifts you guys in the order of operations it brings you I think it makes you shift one place in the Big 12 I think for me if I'm going to be giving you the good guidance that is in policy that I give you as a as a superintendent I would caution looking for something that was significantly different than what our teachers and staff make however it has been several years since you've seen one as well I think the idea of of Ash and I being able to build a budget that doesn't hit our bottom line that okay you give a little bit in travel you give a little bit in food it's a zero sum game for what affects our children but I would

064caution us to say we found $500,000 from this um uh uh um audit study that we did you know that's sort of funny money you also saved a bunch of money on a superintendent search well that's not money we had that's money you saved right so those are those maybe two different things I would encourage right out of the gate I would tell you that I what I think should be built in automatically is a consistent raise to what staff get I think you should receive the same yearly change that whatever whatever the state Awards to your staff first your teachers no we don't need that's in this proposal at the end that's the second part of that's that's the what you guys receive and quite frankly what my contract says is that I don't

065get a raise if nobody else does and I think that's fair because that is unreasonable for me to expect that I think for you guys something similar would be you know and it's quite honestly easier for the finance department to go everybody goes up 3% everybody goes up 3% and we're done I think you should look personally my recommendation to you as a board would be to find a way within your own budget to reconcile the base pay and then let us build that normal in the future in the future account because that way I don't think a teacher would look fondly on arrays of that kind that they didn't receive but they they kind of did get it but it's in it's it's in real your miror right now right I think that's what

066she's you're using this is this is the the figure she gave us the well she was there was a general this is a general possible yeah if you if you read it gets down to the dollar amount um M and I didn't see that I'm sorry I didn't see that I emailed it to you okay well that explains why I didn't see it my bad um the other thing I want to make you guys aware of just a little bit that I you Dr right out of my head oh let's not let's just say it we had some cultural work to do as a district yes that involved all eight of us it involved you being in schools it involved you being in a lot of meetings the amount of work that you're putting in

067some of that is required but some of that is based on your own internal desire to want this District to be better you have to find that balance point as well for you guys as a board that now that we have made a determining factor for the super attendant knowing that the confidence is there for the eight of us that we are doing the work that you trust us to do I don't want you to feel like some of those things are things you have to do either because I do realize the amount of the stien is a not a livable wage it's not supposed to be not supposed to um yeah I know this this is kind of the time because we're all together and this is our budget not miss Sutton's budget for

068us because it's the board budget so I would like for us to discuss a decrease of the travel reimbursement stien and other areas that potentially miss Sutton could look at and bring back to us at I don't I don't think it's going to be the full 28,000 looking at that but I think we should I I think that's what we how we should move forward with our next budget session is to look at some of the travel expenses in particular I would also look at the workshop expenses MH yep um and that would mean we' need to know how many we've had and how much we spent and what we've got scheduled because I know that the out of town workshops have really decreased since I've been on the board and I'm in favor of

069that in my opinion an Untouchable is the scholarships $140,000 I know there has been some discussion maybe about um potential changes of how we can do that more effectively but that that should not be able to be touched in this discussion um and beyond that I I'm open to what my other colleagues say beyond that but can anybody tell us what computer software and supplies what do we get for that I I would just be guessing I I would need to look at the detail someone explain Outlook it bought us Outlook Wooh no we want it back if Crystal was here assembly to be part of that because that's a software program so the application we're using for the board um agendas and stuff that would be a software and Supply as well as probably

070the policy contract that you're doing as well for the policies my thought would be those would fall underneath those I think the policy contract is that membership and dues because that's why the North Count Schoolboard Association correct but you pay extra to have that policy piece to be able to have that access there's the dues piece but then there's additional funds that you pay in order to be able to have that website with all the policies showing and then update if you want to give us a number we can go back through and come F us and try to hit that number for you yes oh I got a number ier here sir give me your I can take it out of that board member compensation line I'm just kidding what I didn't hear you

071said take out the board member compensation I do know that contracted Services line there's 5,000 there you see guys haven't spent any of that this year woohoo um I think that was an additional attorney that we were paying at some point at some point we were doing board training outside the district as well yeah so that may have been something that you guys had set aside for things that we're not doing but I but I can take a look at that 1 um Workshop expenses here Dr I'm GNA loan you this and I'll at the bottom that was my proposal so I think that so that Miss Sutton can gather all the information we should probably come back to and have another discussion about this i' feel better about that that way that way we

072I think it's good to have that that start I would love to hear again and and Don the um the membership dues and fees supplies and materials computer well it's only $400 that's cuz we don't get any sticky notes anymore um computer software and supplies I'd like to know the breakout on that yes I have that I just don't have it with me so I when we meet again I'll bring all that m I know you are you're are you're my only question there's previous board members on here that is that going to change that's going to change the the monies as well so the the three that left us but not the amount we got to finish am where can you yes so um in our board policy it talks about the amount of

073budget that goes to each of the board members and when you have someone that's going off the board they only get a they get a pro-rated piece of that budget and so um that was what was left of those prated amounts um that we gave those board members and so before I adjusted anything I wanted to make sure all those expenses had come through um because I know there there were some things that Dr Barnes and I had talked about that hadn't actually been processed and so um I wanted to make sure all that came through before we made the adjustment on the report got remember the money that doesn't get spent is some of the money that showed up in that million dollars that we pushed back out school like for me in the

074superintendent budget anything that's left is moving back in to support kids too so it doesn't disappear into the E right right the Optics aren't quite as good with that but I do like the fact that it goes back to the kid well sure people don't see it well trust me you guys aren't doing this for the money no no you figured that out thank you we're doing it for the pizza aw that's going to come back in AR you all right Miss buttton okay so um before we move to the next section of the binder that I wanted to cover I wanted to just share some information um so when we're developing the budget for next year some things that I want to make sure you're aware of that some assumptions that I'm making as

075I'm building the budget so if we need to talk through that or you have questions I want to be able to answer those questions so the first thing is when um we're forecasting for salaries and benefits um what what we need to estimate for those amounts as we build next year's budget we're doing um a 3% salary increase um we are going to show a retirement rate increase going from 24.0 4% to 25.4% and then sorry question I was I was appreciating that where where is this in our stuff or should we be on the screen so um actually if you go ahead and turn to it won't be exactly in this order but if you go to your budget changes tab the first page um in middle of the page it has mandatory increases

076and it has some of this information that I'm calling out so it's the first page behind the budget changes tab budget changes oh it's right there in front of me you'll have to turn it sideways it's landscape I it's I knew I knew M was gonna say can you hold that over here and I'm getting to bring my glasses and I mag We're All in This Together I I brought a magnifier just for you Ashley so um so you'll have so some of the information here if you like I said if you look in middle of the page under mandatory increases um we are ES estimating um or forecasting out based on the previous 5 years of data that um we'll have a state mandated raise of 3% a retirement rate increase uh going from

07724.4% retirement rate to a 25.4% and then a health insurance rate increase from $8,995 annually per employee to $8,500 per employee annually where are you um so those are the assumptions that um I'm making as we're starting to build the budget and so we'll go through line by line the dollar amounts associated with all those increases as we go through this document um but I wanted you to be aware of those um on this budget change sheet I'm not including um state revenue changes and the raises and benefit changes that we just talked about but because I'm going to assume that whatever the state mandates us to do they're going to give us the revenue to match it does that make sense so I'm assuming if they're going to say we have to um Implement

078a 3% raise they're going to give us the revenue to fund that 3% raise but I am correct that doesn't cover all our employees that's exactly right but I wanted you to see you're not going to see a state revenue increase and then for revenue and then a state um expense increase for employee benefits and salaries and I wanted to explain why you're not seeing it on this sheet because I'm assuming it's going to net the zero does that make sense M right separately from local funding is oppos the state funding right two different baskets right that's right but we have to match whatever the state does yeah those baskets have to right what my question is and I know we do shifting we put the most expensive employees that we have have on the

079state di because they just fund this work what is what is a 3% increase from the local dollar generate to we're going to go over that if you'll hold just a second okay but I'm just asking not without the increase as of what that looks like of I know we have some other ass okay but just what with that 3% increase but three it so it'll if you look on the sheet um the the 3% in increase and the and the benefit increases is right at $2 million 1 n so it's um$ 1,993 388 you see that kind of it's kind of in the middle of the page there mhm yes and this that's the local one you said and this is local all right thank you and before we go to the sheet so

080we've talked about State and then I also want to talk about Federal when we're building our budget for those Federal programs that we receive every year so we buil into that initial budget um what we've told our directors that manage those Federal budgets is assume you're getting the same Federal money that you received this year and assume that you need to cover a 3% raise with that money and these benefit changes with that money so that Federal is going to have to absorb those increases within that federal budget okay if the director is made aware that revenues change and increases or decreases then they'll build those program budgets based on what they know but if they haven't received any information there those are their General guidelines to start off with the initial budget and that's

081a good point to make sure we're making that's clear for our public and our community as well after our conversation yesterday evening we are building this budget that you will receive on the same amount of federal funding that we currently are receiving that's right because I'll be quite honest with you and transparent I can't build it without it right there is not a way that I could balance this budget without the federal funding included and we certainly don't want to guess what federal funding we'll receive and what we won't receive and so we felt like it was better just to move forward based on what we've been doing and then we can adjust once we have different information which is from what I can reconcile what everyone else is doing as well true I was

082on a conversation this morning with the with the big 12 superintendent again and this is what we're all doing I would like to make a public statement I think this is a calling our Tre schools are being treated this way all across the country here except exactly because we're dealing with it but this is not the way to run a system of any kind government local or national I just want to say that our kids deserve better all of you deserve better and all the people out those schools in our community deserve better mer yeah no I I think that uh Dr Barnes your strategy here is is right on I don't think first of all this sudden yes we can't guess but if we did guess and we guessed something lower and we still

083didn't get that it gets very muddy this is what we should be able to expect and then we don't get it it makes it very clear when we go to the county and say you got to help us out there here's exactly what we lost or to the state or to you know all those okay Miss Bradford um we're going to do insurance next which is kind of fun because we talked about insurance a little bit yesterday and so it's right there it's right there all right so um so now let's start at the top of that page one of that um 2025 26 summary of budget changes and so just keep in mind as we're going through we're starting with our current year budget and you have all the documentations related to current year

084budget behind in the back of the binder and then these are just the changes that we're going to make to that budget to build next year and so I just want to make sure that we understand how we're doing that um so first off um we are requesting from the county um an increase in our local appropriation of 3% um and that is to cover inflation um and the 3% raise and for our local employees and the benefit increases for those local employees and that amounts to about 3 million when you add those two top two numbers together we're also asking for um them to increase the grants that we receed for the prek program so we receive funding separately from that local appropriation for prek and we're asking for that same 3% for that

085program for those same increased in costs um we are also going to request that um the county give us more flexibility as far as those classrooms go um right now when theou that we have related to those prek grants we're only allowed to have those classrooms in certain areas in the county um and with the loss of Head Start that's been a hardship for us because NC prek we were using Head Start to fund to provide services for four year olds and threey olds NC prek will only let us provide services for four year olds and so the only money that we have to provide services now for threeyear olds are is the county funding and we did get two classrooms through through the endowment and so that's the only options we have and so

086not having the flexibility if we have um a student participating in the program that's a four-year-old and they have a sibling that's a three-year-old this year they ended up having to go to two different locations because I couldn't serve a three-year-old for example at Johnson where I had the brother or sister was so we were just asking if the county would be willing to offer us some flexibility when we're in that time the situation it would really help the families out to be able to have that option I don't know if there's been conversations but I know um Freeman wanted we had moved some of the prek classes from Freeman just to have more of a Target book because essentially if you have a prek at an elementary site it's a unique program in addition

087to just like our high schools have a you know IB program or something it's like a unique opportunity so to streamline the process so we could meet the needs of our students there those pre students got moved with the downsize of prek students that we are serving are we looking at trying to consolidate are we trying to see if that is cost effective beneficial to do that now that we have some more space at our centers or is that something that we've looked into not that might be worth um bringing the conversation back to another work session but we have definitely looked at that one of the challenges is while we we could could honestly save money by consolidating that way the concern is the families it may not be close to where the families

088are and and they and the parents families may not have the transportation there might be other challenges associated with the distance from the center to um to their home so we we have debated that a little bit and Dr bares I don't know if you want to add anything to that conversation well and it it sort of speaks to the challenge you spoke about earlier where private funded pre- centers get a larger amount of funding per kid because the model is built on the fact that generally your preas are embedded inside your elementary schools so right out of the gate you're not paying for a principal you're not paying for the building itself we've chosen to have prease sites but there's no way if we said let's put all of our prek kids into elementary

089schools to consolidate that money there's no way without what I'm calling a major redistricting to get enough space everywhere to do that because they pockets everywhere around the only challenge was also if you have a kid at Castle hanne and the only option is for them at Johnson there's two problems with that one is you want Castle H prek kids to go to kindergarten in Castle Hane and so the more spread out we can be the better but it it it tends to be a logistical nightmare especially Transportation well and then my follow-up question with that is um we use the state report card to identify the four-year-olds that we service and so when we're asking for potentially flexibility in the classroom so we have the opportunity to serve three-year-olds are we still going to

090be utilizing that same criteria of those highrisk factors to service those three and four year olds or are we looking at different criteria for what students were going to service I'm not aware of a change to that okay all right thank you it's that the the state funding formula is different for threey olds than it is for four year olds gotcha and then again don't forget this is a very complex question because before we lost the headart grant we had headart and NC prek and EC prek and so it's a very yeah and the county pret so it's a very convoluted um process that I just I'm trying to learn and understand as well thank you I think the biggest thing for your concern or for something we need to bring to the table is

091that we used about a million dollars of our Title One funding as carryover money to help supplement our pre- classrooms and that carryover only happens for a year Milli Mr Anderson you want to add something about I just to to get back on that moving forward um and looking at our long range plan Bond plans and so forth um we are moving to an elementary um model which accommodates prek so that that transition would happen over time as new schools are built you if we build River lights if we turn out and replace Pond Valley and Williams prek classes would be built into that Elementary School model so that over time you know it's it's an easy easier transition as Dr Barn said you know to do it all at once you know it's really

092impossible but you're right because you'd also have to retrofit a lot of our older elementary schools that don't have the requirements of square footage and bathrooms that prek have required exactly and there's also that certification of the facility has to happen for those prek classrooms as well to be able to get the NC prek funding this is I'm Sorry Miss chair this is a huge deficit I mean if we look at and so part of this number that we're seeing in the 99 1.4 is coming from that safe light we're no longer receiving from the city of Wilmington which I know helped to support our prek program now hearing about the title one funding losing another million that this is a huge cut and we've already lost so I just I just have to say

093that to our board members out when we're talking to our County Commissioners And discussing things there are those are that's $2.4 million to a program that we had to basically chop in half the amount of students that we serve um so just help us let that come to light and share with them of why this isn't being responsive just so we could continue the is it 540 that we have what's the number 540 yes you nailed it yes um but to be able to continue to service high quality 2.4s L from that program so um I just want to just need to like that that okay to tag on to what Miss B says our County Commission one of their pillars is prek prek and I don't think they understand what Miss bner just said

094and 24 is a huge hit it is and there is that misconception out there in the marketplace that we did something this board did something to make it go away and we didn't um so we really just have to explain that to them oneon-one what happened and you know this isn't anything that we did but we can't let the kids be punished for what happened you know in the years past or whyever we lost it um and hopefully we'll get it back but there's a Time weight on that and I don't want to say the S flight program all went to prek the 100,000 the the million dollars of carry over from title one was to supplement prek this is just sort of highlighting the 2.4 number is the deficit that we're walking into the

095school year with now of course Ashley and I have been talking about the stop arm camp and what kind of Revenue will that bill did we were unwilling to put that into the budget as a as an income until we we get a little further down that road agreed yeah M Justice M Justice did you have anything I think they explain okay I was listening I was clarify okay so we'll keep going down the list um so that gives you the opportunity to ask questions as we go um the next increase that we see in revenue is an additional um right at $5 million request of the County Commissioners and this is to fund our um budget priorities that we'll talk about a little bit further down on the sheet um we are in we're

096actually going to um we received I'm sorry a FEMA check this year for that 466,000 we're holding that back and we're going to actually use that in our budget for next year this is actually a FEMA reimbursement related to Florence wow um yeah so and and we still are waiting for I was going to say we're still waiting on another check so I think that one's going to I forget how much that one was but so we're waiting I think for one more check and hopefully we'll get that soon checks are in theet checks miss Justice and I want to point out that we had a very healthy fund balance when that occurred and that's why we were able to pay whatever it was that the insurance should have paid 5 years ago four years

097ago and this is a reason we need another reason we need to healthy fund balance in case we we can't tell what's going to happen okay will you speak to the arrangement that we have with the county now about the emergency yes know about that yep so we um we are going to if we have an emergency according to our mou with the county that we have in place now we will have to pay for the first $500,000 and then they'll pay for the next 10 million okay so we do have that mou in place and we do have that 500,000 set aside in our fund balance so we have it there if something were to happen yeah we have that restricted that's once that uhou was approved I work with County to do an

098RFP for preposition contracts so we have that in place as well what does that mean so um remediation contracts so if there was a hurricane there was water in the school water extraction um cleanup you know debris remov everything debris remove everything except putting it back the way it was um generators dehumidifiers air movers uh all of those things are included in preposition contracts so that um you know we can act immediately in the event of an emergency that's awesome and am I correct that we don't now have to be out there buying with everybody else who wants to grab them right now because we've got the pre pre-done contract they're obligated to us so we're not we're not steling to get contractors we've got a minded up that's correct he smart is all right

099next on the list we have a do easement um payment that we're hoping to receive now the board has not actually agreed to this we have you guys have not voted on this but we went ahead and included it in a possible Revenue I'm hoping that we would at least receive this amount of money so this this would also be a one-time Revenue so we've got to keep that in mind so the FEMA and this would be a one-time Revenue that we're using to balance the budget so next go next year we've got to remember that um but the dot um is looking at purchasing 13.44% to speak to that at all so when we brought this before the board the board uh requested that we go back to do and ask them to build

100walls similar to what they have on interstates um they have not responded to that um I'll be honest with you I don't think they will um but I think that if they respond the response is going to be you know we're giving you the the value of the land if you want to use that money to build a wall you can use how long would it be before that wall is needed to stop a train to I mean isn't isn't that to build up a railway well how about the noise to stop the noise from a train confused there stopping now um I don't know what their timeline is but it's 10 years plus I mean it's it's [Music] well we did go back and and I mean the value of the easement verified it's

101it's fair it's a fair offer we did go back to them and get more money for you improvements like the fence line was going to have to be relocated some playground equipment would have to be relocated and we did get more money for those things but um you're we're not going to get more money for so the playground is that close to the TR well if you're familiar with Johnson um if you're facing the building the playground on the left there's um there's some utility easements that run up through through there and this would be an additional easement that would uh ncdot rail division would um they're realigning rail to provide passenger rail or passenger train service back to Wilmington with the goal from Wilmington to righ to sh love that what is the distance

102between stgr equipment and the actual where the track will possibly well we we're going to move that equipment um so depending on I mean it's right the middle probably I'd say 100 to 150 yards away from the fence separating the train tracks in the all right so that so that um line item is pending board action but we went ahead and included that in the budget so if we decide we don't want to accept that money then we'll need to Circle by when you said pending board action do we need to does put it on the think something has to come to the board for approval for us to submit right I've reached out and um they have um a company doing their land acquisition at this particular time I've reached out to them they

103had never they had not heard back from dat they're going to dat I plan I was planning to put that back on the agenda for April okay we um the next line we have is and a budget for Medicaid reimbursement of 500,000 so we haven't been budgeting Medicaid reimbursement because we were so far behind on getting reimbursement from Medicaid we were at least 3 years if not more than that behind and so we just decided until the money came in we were not going to budget that so um I believe at last spring we got in um almost three years worth right back to back to back and that's some of the funding we've used to help balance out EC but you Julie please speak to that and this year um the additional funding that

104we were able to bring in this year so now we will probably be closer to on track to receiving reimbursement um at least somewhere around the year um from when we submitted the billing um and keep in mind our billing rate for Medicaid reimbursement as a school district is significantly lower than the rate that um a private medical provider would have um so this is billing for um for related services such as speech Physical Therapy occupational therapy um and then we have just started um in the last year so billing for part of evaluations that is a new opportunity for us but many other areas are not worth billing because of the the rate would be so much less that we would get than the amount of staff time that we would have to put

105into it so um now and there was a change at some point how this got so far behind it there the um reimbursements Were Somehow flowing through DPI and then going um to the group that got gave actually out the reimbursement so now I think they if I remember correctly they cut out the DPI so it's not going through DPI anymore so now we're anticipating to get annual um revenue from this that we can hopefully depend on and so we feel like that's a good estimate of what we should receive next year but to be aware we are we are budgeting on the check's going to be in the mail yes we are we are so if something happens in middle of the year and this ends up being low then we we'll have to

106come back and have conversations at that time um next we are budgeting um indirect cost Revenue um so this is and we haven't also this is another area um where we didn't budget this year because we weren't sure what we would be able to collect related to um charging indirect costs this is where we charge to administer the federal grants so we're allowed to charge a certain percent for administration and overhead of any federal grants that um we have and so this is a revenue a way we can generate some revenue from having those federal grants so that we feel is a good estimate going into next year of what we will collect and then we also um have noticed um interest Revenue as you know I think Miss Graford brought this up last year

107interest rates are up and so we're able to budget a little bit more interest Revenue going into next year we feel comfortable with that so um we feel like that's a good estimate we held back this year because we weren't quite sure but we feel comfortable with that number going forward and then we've already talked about the safe light um with that going away a reduction of the revenue of 1. um4 million and so that brings us in total um the increases and decreases in Revenue 9 point 9 million or right at $10 million that is contingent on the county approving our initial ask of 8 million right that's correct the top green L yes that's correct M um before we leave at just remind me okay we we're losing the 1.4 million um for

108the red light and did we have a number any kind of a number on the stop arms that we talked about do we have a guesstimate of what kind of Revenue thing at this at this point in time which is why we didn't try to estimate because we also anticipate it will be expense to go along with that and we're not sure you know what that expense of Contracting with a vendor to help us out um with monitoring the cameras and that would be this year anyway would it no ma'am okay thanks um do do we have a number I don't see one in here and maybe it's I'm sure it's somewhere in here but the fines and forfeitures uh you know I know it's It Go EVs and flows but do we have like

109an estimate throughout you know last maybe five years or something that we could put it yeah so um this is just these are only changes so we're going to budget um the same amount of fines and forfeitures um that we have budgeted this year less the red light of the 1.4 so um I wish I should know that number off the top of my head but I don't know that Revenue number um I want to say it's around $900,000 taken out the red light um but that's already been incorporated into the budget so we're not changing that piece if that makes sense yep M Bradford I think what y'all just said casually needs to be reiterated the top three lines with the county Appropriations that makes up the 8 million could you repeat that Dr

110Barn slowly for us that Le slowly we have begun initial conversations together as a board and with our the leadership at the county level that they can expect to see what what my what our budget will or the superintendent's budget that comes to the board will see an increase of a $8 million ask of the local allotment and again that's pending the same thing coming from the state and coming from the the the federal government there top three lines right there $8 million is covered basically in $5 million of what you'll see in the next couple Pages as superintendent budget priorities that I gain through listening and doing the listening tours and the $3 million of what I'm calling the cost of doing business that that $3 million that you see there is just to

111keep us at the exact same space as we are now it doesn't add a staff member it doesn't pay anybody more it's just the increase of the cost of keeping our employees here more yeah well in there and didn't yeah it keeps us with the same number of employees I should say that we have now and with the same services and supports we have now right and I did explain to the county manager Mr cudr that they would expect to see as many years as I'm in this seat that you will see this coming in our budget every year because the cost is increasing so significantly on our on our and that we can't we can't even get our head above water if that increase of 3 million happens every year is that subsistence how

112do you say it again subsistence subsistence you got it that's the sinking of the high school that's slly a simar word but some of the more detailed explanations of some of those top three items will come in the next couple of pages yeah just all right so we've talked about under mandat atory increases we' talked about that in first section local raises and benefits so I'm going to skip over that um we are also anticipating increases related to Insurance um and there's there's pretty significant increases for insurance we're anticipating next year um the general liability and property increases um that you see here I've actually um reached out to um we our property insurance actually through do no not um um DOI I knew I would get it okay DOI um and so that's handled

113by the state because we're so we're on the coast so they're really the only people that will Ure us um and so we I tried to negotiate a little bit and they said really there's no negotiating here um you guys had FMA I mean you had Florence and you've had all these so much property damage that it's like a close to if not over 100% of um the claims are um Almost 100% if not over what we've paid in and so they said there's just no way they cannot do this increase and they said it wasn't just us it's this our this whole area in North Carolina they're all yeah everyone's rates are going up and so I I don't think I know we don't have an option there to be able to do that

114it's $2 million our facility I'm looking at the the per incident deductible from 2500 to 50,000 yes so crazy this increase is even taken into account that we are moving that deductible up to that higher amount substantial increase and it's still going up that much it would have been a lot more if I haven't made that adjustment and honestly they even got rid of the $2500 deductible that's not even an option anymore for anyone um I'm sure you chopped around but I have to ask the question can we around to see so this is through the state they're the only people that will cover us our shopping around landed us here it amounted to me calling um DOI saying please can you give me a cheaper rate and you're like no we cannot because this

115is yeah the this like counterproductive if the state gives us money then we have to spend it all on State Insurance I mean disconnect how that works did you you say but I think for us too M shell game yeah this is good responsible budgeting because what you could have done in the past is said well I'll just we'll keep it at the same if it goes up we'll just pull it out of fund balance this budget that you're seeing we still are not touching our fund balance right and that's why it's so so tight you know so we're factoring in things like we know we have to plan for right and I I will say on those Insurance lines if you read my notes off to the right you do see different dollar amounts

116that are higher than what I have budgeted um because those dollar amounts were estimates that were provided from the vendors um I used historical information to actually budget here so it is possible that the amounts come in a little bit higher once we actually get the premium paperwork but I budgeted based on historical information because they couldn't give me an actual number when I was having those conversations they were just giving me estimates as well I I have a question of clarity here so in the top section FEMA the NCB EAS I know those are one time M um Medicaid the indirect cost and the interest Revenue where are those going in oper like I see the top two from the county local Appropriations increase of inflation and I know from looking at the papers

117the detailed ask of what it tells that 5 m million but what are we going to be using those one two three four five things for so I didn't and we could I didn't actually match up this Revenue line goes with these things other than those top three I just kind of pulled all the revenue together and said I'm going to take all this revenue and I'm going to fund these other things these increased costs and expenses so we could do that like a onetime expense of something or is the thought building it in in budgeted positions and allotments or do we not know say that again I'm sorry is the thought of a one-time expense thing that we have in the district or is the thought for those a budgeted allotment of positions for

118those it one time Revenue yeah so this one time revenue is going to fund things that you're going to see further down the list so I and it doesn't mean so let's let's say we get to next year and we don't we're not able to identify Revenue that amounts to this one time right then we would have to make a decision um you could not have one of these things we have funded on this sheet or you could not fund something different it doesn't necessarily have to be on the sheet that would be up to the board how you want to handle that and some of the details coming in two and three okay than sir right um okay and then the next section we've got um pretty significant increases related to utilities um that

119we really needed to account for as well some of these increases we actually um saw this year um so we wanted to make sure we built any increases we saw this year along with anticipated increases for next year into the budget so that those are the line items that you're seeing there um and then next you see a charter school payment so um because we've gotten an increase funding from the county you know charter schools are going to get their piece of that increase and so that's the estimated calculation um based on the current number of charter school students that they would need to receive related to that increase what's the dollar figure sorry what's the dollar figure that we give to Charter Schools now so actually seven it's a little over seven yep it's

120a little over seven if you want to we can look at that exactly if you look behind your operations tab um and it is going to be page see y'll give us practice using our report here too so um last page yep so it's actually almost the last line it's the last page behind that tab in the just about that last line government and um you'll see charter schools in that second column uhhuh and when you look over to the right you see that local number the 7. um2 million so um looking at next year with this increase of 227,000 that would bring that Charter School payment up to 7 point right at five 7.5 million but we sh up Charter payments from if they come back then we monthly are coming yes so we

121yes so we review um charter schools actually send us their enrollment information every month and actually Miss Jenny Ren um actually helps out with this um she receives that information and then she she looks at the revenue from the county and finds and forur we received that month and then based on en our enrollment their enrollment and those two Revenue sources that's how we determine how much a charter schools receive so if their enrollment goes up or if we receive more fines and forfeitures than we have budgeted then their payment may go up and we adjust every month based on that so mord may ask do we have char schools coming back to our schools so we're in are we going in that direction or we're going in the opposite direction go ahead yeah I

122was was going to say we're we're seeing slight increases um this year not as much of an increase as last year um and their enrollment kind of works like ours at the beginning of the year is increasing and then as the year goes along it starts declining a little bit but not significantly so we've got um 2031 charter school students right now um that we're providing um payments for and we're planning to to use that same number when we're building budget for next year 2031 students and this is why it's so important to engage the media in the right way to talk about the good stuff that we're doing as a district because that ties to funding so when you hear me talk about the amazing Educators in this District that is we're beating every

123measure you use we are the best game in town and how do we continue to make sure that that's the message the reality y that was a good question um and then the next line is EC contracted Services um we we just talked about Medicaid we received a lot of Medicade funding at the end of last year and this year um and we've used that funding to provide some additional contract to services to our EC children um but knowing that we're not going to have that extra Revenue next year we really felt like we have to build something into the budget to make sure we're providing those services and Julie I don't know if you want to speak a little bit more about those contracted Services yeah the contracted services that we have attached to

124this line item are specifically for um cost above and beyond the typical classroom cost even for special education so above and beyond the smaller class size with a special education teacher additional pair of professional or two or three in that classroom it's addition in addition to the curriculum materials any of the um instructional supplies um any adaptive equipment this is specifically for um covering those um higher cost very unique and very um specialized areas for our students with visual impairment hearing impairment um orientation Mobility um specifically Audiology Behavior technicians and then um in addition nursing um just to give you guys a little bit of an idea and I included this in your legislative talking points um we have 15 students in our school district that require one to one RNs to be successful be

125safe and successful in school to for school to be accessible for them um we have four more students that require CNAs um and then the list goes on educational interpreters um educational interpreter contracts um whenever we have vacancies that we cannot feel we will um then utilize contracted staff because we can't just say well this is a position we wish we had we have a student a student who requires that position in order to access their school um so we have to look at contracted services and they are significantly higher in cost um we're always combing um applicant bases though um and then we do have um a a handful of students that require um significantly more um Behavior Support than we can generally provide within a school setting even a specialized setting um and

126we um have consistently contracted with the Center for Pediatric Behavior Health which we are thankful to have in our in our community um but that is another really significant cost so those dollars go toward those very unique and specified needs of our most vulnerable students and I would tell you that a weighted student funding formula would be that amount of money that's a weighted student funding formula where the the state currently gives us funding up to a certain percentage equal per kit if they weighted it by the needs of the student you would see that amount of money balancing itself that's what it is this isn't all hous Source correct this is partly in-house and partly half insures it's 1.7 um we have what I read to you on the extreme high cost some of

127that is in-house but we do not hire our own RNs we need to hire our RNs from an agency that supervises RNs um and same with our CNAs we will often hire our language facilitators and educational interpreters for our students with hearing impairment um um or who are heart of hearing um we will contract for those when we can't fill those positions um generally for all of our related Services speech language W Physical Therapy occupational therapy uh we exhaust our opportunities to hire qualified candidates on our team before we look at contracts and we use contracts to fill those gaps yes thank you and I included like um to jump on to what Dr Barn said all this is included in his legislative talking points in favor of that weighted um funding formula for special

128education and then hopefully that weighted funding formula the base will stay what it is now and then it would go up based on the different needs of the children so hopefully they're not going to decrease That Base amount and then Dr Mar feel free to talk about that too while you're can I go back one second online back to the Charter Schools again yes MH and uh the charter schools the same as the private schools that if they start at the charter school and and have what 24 days or however many days they have to be enrolled there and they decide that they're not a good fit and they them back to us and the money stays at the charter school for the year yes is there I mean we all know how how much

129inequity there is in that is there anything that we can do to make sure that these children are vetted more so that they sorry you said there you're going to take them you got to keep them yeah if they come after that second month the DPI is not going to do that adjustment so um I I don't know what to do I don't know what the answer would be to that Miss Justice our legislators need to change it that's all there is they need to change a lot of things for our schools is that on the legislative list well I got in top my head no more I was like not the the one that the board has approved recently no but I mean I'll put on my little sticky note to address it at

130our next meeting to talk about I mean because I mean the state is I'm sure treating Charter Schools just like us if they get their enrollment numbers you know by that second month then they're they're going to be able to keep right at the same level that they were projected it comes in lower yeah comes in higher then they'll get more money but yeah but we don't want them to change that for us we like that funding in the rear for us so I don't know if they'd be willing to change it for charter schools and not change it for us well Mr w i correct you said the money stays but the money doesn't some of the money stays the stuff from the state stays but the county money right that's true that's true

131sorry yes so the state funding is what I was talking about that stays because that's based on that second month enrollment but the the fines and forfeitures and the county appropriation where we make payments every month then that gets adjusted based on the student every month student numbers every month M Justice J all right I'm ready oh you you're fine um I know this is sort of really up in the air right now but they are really talking about cutting Medicaid n National nationally um could this possibly apply to what we're talking about right now I don't think I have enough information on that to to respond intelligently all I can say is right now we're banking on the fact that we're going to see the same things we've seen last year okay one more

132did Miss Mar want oh More's great too yeah I I would just Echo there's so much unknown I I absolutely Echo what Dr VN said we have to count on um what we've been doing so far and until we have something more concrete we're going to we're going to count on being able to continue to serve at the same level if not greater yep good okay so if you go on to page two um this starts one yay starts the hours in superintendent budget priorities um oh boy here we go and so um Dr Barnes I don't I'm going to start going through but pH I don't want to steal your thunder if if you want to when have I ever not said something I wanted to say you're good all right so um what

133came um what Rose to the top and I think we've talked about it in this group before as part of those budget listening sessions um or the items that you see here that total approxim $5 million um so this includes safe and civil schools um district and school level PD and several different areas and I'm going to talk through these and we'll talk through the amounts but I'm GNA let Julie um aror Miss barnham and Dr Barnes fill in um anything that I miss or they want to add well let me Center your thinking real quick because as you know what we asked the there were two things that came out of our budget listening priority sessions one was safety of students one was ability to access and support individual student needs and so if

134you look at this you're going to see the first 1 2 3 4 five 6 7even 8 nine the first nine cells rows are all the safety Grant I just parsed it out for you for what each individual thing would be and then I'll cover the other thing but Julie if you want to talk about the safety and civil schools cuz that's half of the safety initiative cuz we can't just focus on physical safety we have to focus on students learning positive effective skills at managing their own behavior one because that's going to change the dynamic forever but also because that's going to turn them into better adults yes so yes thank you that's a great centering um while yes this is professional development so we we under we understand that that feel like a

135heavy lift but we also can all agree that we appreciate our professionals who engage in professional development so that that we are using um the the the best information the best evidence base to um further our instructional opportunities to further our teaching and learning so safe and civil schools the unique part uh and I know I provided information a couple months back in a um an agenda review but the unique part of their work is um not only focusing on the creation of um safe and supportive learning environments but making sure that every student is receiving what they need while every teacher is able to be fully equipped with an understanding of how Behavior escalates therefore a great understanding in how how they're able to deescalate so a huge component of this is around staff

136well-being and um senator and and when we know that we're focusing on staff well-being we're focusing on our staff mental health as well student Behavior student especially challenging behavior is uh is a significant concern so while we know this is professional development cost this is not a train the trainer model we don't have an opportunity to to send some of our um lead staff out to be trained and then come back and train everyone that that dilutes the the evidence base and we don't want to do that we want to bring our staff the highest quality that is able to support our students and staff at the same time within the structures that we have for mtss for our instructional framework everything lines up and and so um I I'm excited that we gave overviews

137to many of our schools and then as Dr Barnes carried out his listening tours I was not in the room in the back of the room every room whispering in ear saying choose this but I'm positive but in the rooms I was able to be and I did do that but this Rises to the top because the professional development is of high quality and our staff who have been participating in this school year which we've had um two different sessions and I think we have three more scheduled actually we've had two sessions that were three days overall and our staff are responding very positively to this work and do we want two or three or 400 more staff in our buildings of course we do but if this is a way to equip and increase

138the efficacy of the teachers we have and make them even better at what they're doing then we win in the end and so do kids and subtit Mr okay um my question is is this on top of what they're already doing with professional development in other ways is this going to cost them cost them extra time um outside of the they already overburdened classroom Duties are we balancing it so that some of the other things training wise are taken away so that they will be left stressed out this is what I hear constantly from teachers they're just way overwhelmed between the shortage on Subs the the state requiring all this professional development and us to can we make sure that we don't add more to their PL they this is ex excellent training I totally

139understand it's going to make their lives so much better and the kids too but we've got to understand they're human beings and they can only do so much and that's going to chase some of them away again which we don't want especially some of our beds for two of the um sessions that will happen in June they happen after the work days and so part of our budget for those which is not included in this but it's included in this calculation for next summer but for the training that we're doing this summer um we have school teams that have agreed to work additional days and receive additional pay that's and this is after this is after the school years all of it is so the one the ones that happen during the school day then

140were paying for substitutes but um what we have done so far has been for team leads and then team members and not whole staff but whole staffs of um of schools and I didn't bring those schools with me um the handful of schools that we're doing in June they will be coming in after the work days and receiving stiens thank so for us yes I want to limit we're in sort of a sweet spot because we've already done our our our training for U letters training we've already trained for wit and wisdom they're up and running on those things the math curriculum is training and ready so hopefully these things are going to take the place of some of the time they had to give to those now a new teacher walking in maybe from

141Minnesota who doesn't have letters training he doesn't have that stuff yeah there's going to be a burden on some folks but for the folks who are continuing with us our goal and I think I mentioned this before if we do too many things at once we don't do any of them well exactly I'd rather do one thing or two things and knock it out of the park and this is our one thing okay for professional development will they still have new teacher training will they still have all those things that that new teachers have to go to and things like that of course will they still have to do and I don't want a teacher some teacher somewhere is going to say so we don't have to go to plc's anymore bar said we don't

142have to do that no but we're going to try to consolidate what professional development we are doing and things that work there accurate there will also be the infinite campus professional development that will have to take place for them to learn the grade book piece and the communication piece so that should be a one time that should be a one time yes mic okay so that takes care of most of getting you all the way down to safe and civil schools facilitator you see that line line 9 and if you add all of those things together the first line all the way down to that 97 55 97,5 that equals 378,000 and then the next line is um the safety positions so there's four of those positions and Dr Barnes I don't know if you

143want to let's look at the next three lines from there safety positions weapon detection equipment weapon detection train part of my push for this community is that we have schools that are educationally the best in the town and the safest and part of this is an initiative to address some of the physical safety needs of our traditional high schools so what these would do is provide for mobile weapons and metal detectors that can move around through the building easily enough they can be at games they can be at place is they're not things that stand by the front door every day and they're not to physically make every kid walk through every one of them every day but just like we do with our um random screenings you could come out of a room one

144day and you'll go through the metal detector on your way out of your classroom or it may be set up at one door on Tuesday and a different door on three on Friday and it may be at the basketball game and this ability to make a deterrent factor to help our parents and students feel saf is sort of what we're looking to do Brunswick County now has several uh it's the county north of us and I can't remember which one it is has them Johnson maybe has them as well these are sort of the newest and latest sort of push um so those would be to fund the physical those would be one-time positions that fund the equipment and the training the other thing you'll see there is the safety positions and that is someone

145a classified position at every one of our four Traditional High Schools that manages those detections that helps manage things like all the drills that they have to do that can manage and watch cameras and address things like that it's a way to help us become less reactive and more proactive so those positions would actually work for the school system in coordination with our sro's in coordination with our principles to help increase the physical safety of students wow Justin wow so this is a this is new position mhm $4 million wor no ma'am you're one line down I reading it wrong you did the the safety positions are 274,000 go up a couple of notches two oh good um that's why I was clarifying I was scar5 the three it looks like just over 500,000 the

146safety positions would be 274,000 okay the weapons equipment is 240,000 the training is 3,000 do you see those three lines mhm what is the lifespan on those like the warranty um warranty and [Music] warranty but allows us to increase our agility and response time so those four positions are just 270 sorry if I didn't make that clear that was me I was just all right now let's talk about the big ticket item Eddie do you want to say anything else about the safety equipment talked about this is one look up and Tim that was the Dr Merck that was the one that you walked through when we were down there all right that went off when I walked through yeah we need to talk about that the next thing is something I feel very passionate

147about because it it grew through our principles over the last 5 years we've taken an average of $5.9 million out of our fund balance every year to and this was the the first year we have not touched our fund balance and this was sort of the soldier that died on that field it is a specific request for the county for two years to fund a specialist position at every school that the principal and the school leadership team decide what that job is supposed to do under specific data points and and responses that then I can take to our legislators and say this is an unfunded mandate that you require us to do individually pivot on student need is a requirement through mtss which is what the the state calls it here's the data when the

148County Commissioners funded these positions for two years this is what data points they moved and help use that to highlight the need now the trick with this is it's not going to be just every school gets an extra position and everybody goes on and they're happy there's going to have to be guard rails with it and data points that go along with it so we're going to provide probably four or five overall data points that I want to start tracking Def definitively and let schools craft what that position does it could be for academic remediation it could be for academic extension it could be for behavior modification that doesn't sound right Behavior Support it could be for graduation rate so we're going to pick with our principles four or five real specific data points and

149then pilot a program that lets us improve our support for kids on an individual small group small kid basis and how much do those things move the needle this is something the state quite frankly is if you remember or have ever heard me complain about the instructional support allotment from the state we receive uh a funding from the state for something called instructional support and that covers things like media coordinator instructional coach social worker counselor do you remember media coordinator counselor social worker instructional coaching was it our mental health is in there as well but our mental health is actually paid for through the county in another way so those four positions we have 60 for this District not 60 of each just 60 we have 76 counselors just to do what the bare requirements

150are for these students and that's more than they give us to start with so I'm looking for a way to talk the the county into saying give me time to get this data and take it to the state because I do think it's something that the state should be funding or it's something that at least will prove what my point is that this funding allotment formula isn't correct I like the fact that it lets us put the driver seat in the hands of the leadership team in each individual school because our schools are very very different places and have different needs but every principal has talked about the loss of a utility player right on the bench someone that can do a lot of different things and one school may need that to help with

151their academics and one school may need that to help with their behavior but this puts the principal and the leadership team in charge of deciding that it's a big ask but it's also I think where the district needs to go as a as a as a unit um hang on and you you had mentioned I think in previous discussions that it would tie to the school's Improvement plan correct no we get 60 before before groups yes we get 60 60 positions 60 positions total Miss Miss Justice will you please provide Clarity it says with a 2-year cost so it's the total amount is just over 4 million per year per year so that's okay that's where the carry is thank you so it would be a commitment from the county to do the four million

152increase this year and next year and uh honestly two years is is small to gain a real good data data point out of but I figured I would start small but it also provides what I consider an RO for our County for you as a board to be able to say this is working and this isn't and it gives us time to Pivot if we feel like that's not working in a certain space can we try again can we look at something different so I put two years with Master it m to so so is this above and beyond the 8 million that we're already ask no this is part this is included in that it's basically half of the 8 million yes so it would be as a total just to bring you back

153Circle back around this 4 million for this 1 million for the safety Grant including both arms of it and 3 million for the cost of living adjustment that we see every year that's Bas Dr a good no okay and again this is something I have to bring to the board for approval because this is currently right now my or the superintendent's budget that I bring to you you're going to see this on it so we wanted you to be prepared and ahead of the schedule thank you well we we it I believe was scheduled until 4: so we're after we're after our time at this point um what do we want to do we want to finish this go ahead if you want to put a bookmark where you are this can be our entire

154superintendent office hours next time or we can bump it to the next budget work session I make a motion come this discussion to the next Sunday the work session which is March 19 is that going to just to just to get clarification from Miss Sutton is that going to put us behind it all in any way shape or form with what's already scheduled so the the plan was um to get through this binder and then when we're close we're close we're just short one one page in one section we're very close but um just a section how much really March 19th was for what ever we didn't finish today and then anything that came out of so like the board's budget I'll bring that back so any conversations that came up where we needed additional

155information that was going to give me an opportunity to bring that information back to the next board work session so um so that's fine I think if we want to bring what's left back on the 19th we go we have we had a motion and Mr wior seconded that um discussion on the motion to postpone the rest of this Miss Bradford I think while our brains are engaged even though they're getting a little fuzzy if we could get through two and three we'd be through three pages it depends on how much um Dr Martins needs to explain on page three um well it it also means having questions I gu yeah yeah and that's I think that's the diff too um but it it you know it is a good spot to bookmark but honestly

156if you guys could get through two and three we can run it through in 10 minutes and then we'll have a little more no question agility to to to build you know what I mean because then we can bring we could probably bring a mock budget back on the 19th if we can get through this I have a opportunity to be at at 4:30 so yeah and there is a motion on the floor so um we have a motion to postpone the remainder of this until March um would you call the all for me so I'm sorry I thought you had I thought you had recommended the motion to do it in the next that's the motion to postpone the remainder of it to postpone to the March 19th session yes well hold on I'm

157confused here whatever is left from today yes moved to the next budget session in March I thought you had recommended that we would do it during the next one: one but Dr no no no we said no to that no but I can definitely try to prep you guys during that time if that will make this go quicker and smoother all right uh Melissa Mason uh yes Josie barnhard yes Pat Bradford yes Judy Justice yes Tim Merck no Pete Wilder yes I all right that passes uh 5 to one um a motion oh we have a motion to adjourn in a second second second second can I just make a quick statement Pete has to leave so I it's just it's a matter that's right so uh all those in favor of adjourning please say

158I I any opposed passes 6 to zero we are adjourned gosh great job people seriously thank you absorbed a ton of information that was a lot that good information