0011 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) As we lose faculty and staff through retirement and together we can make learning more responsive, ethical, and individualized. 2 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We can also better support humans with disability English language learners than folks who have behavioral and mental health services. A unified approach would mean broader staff, create scheduling flexibility and most importantly more time spent in meetings. 3 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Means fewer gaps more. How about extracurriculums? In smaller districts sometimes miss out simply because there is lacking for participants. 4 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And by combining our student populations, we open the door to more competitive analytics, diverse club offerings especial programs like music, theater, robotics, student government and when students are connected to their schools through activities, they're more likely to thrive academically and socially. 5 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624)
002This will allow us to give students a richer, more engaging school experience. The total days are gone, we need to get out of our way. We need to meet them where you're at and give them total days. I truly believe my current strength. 6 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And building upon what we already are doing well will individually or not quite. Personally, I don't feel well with changed, but the possibilities that come to fruition for two. 7 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) To not commit for this. 8 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Not just for playing kids, not just handle kids, but all kids in teacher generations. It would be great feelings team here to allow their kids to attend this new educational institution that we built together with our students leading the way. 9 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I've taught
003poached in Fort Plane, st. Johnville and candidate. I see the similarities of both the strengths and the struggles of our districts. Candidary star Bay came from Fort Planes moving updating. I took that to st. Johnsville brought it back to Cando. 10 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Where it is flourished into something that NO one could have better imagined. I've seen our athletic teams drive as sectional and state champions. Wouldn't that be nice to have competitive sports again in all school? I've also worked with students with both districts and classroom and the special educators. We have more similar. 11 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) This is not just about efficiency, it's about doing the best of the kids. This proposal isn't a loss of identity. It's a gain in opportunity. It's a chance to build something together that neither district
004could fully achieve on its own. 12 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) It's a vision of shared strength where every student gets more than a minimum and has access to the support and experiences they observe. I invite you to consider the possibilities of the logistical question. That all has to be answered anyways. 13 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Such a big pitch. Stronger academic supports, more pathways to success in a wider not of opportunity for all. Thank you for your time, more importantly. Thank you. 14 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Is there anyone else? Okay, if not, we'll proceed with our agenda. 1st of all, I'd like to explain if I talked to Brenna and apparently the reason I'm sharing the meeting is because I'm just old enough. 15 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So I I thank you for that. And I also
005want to say that we were really, our board was really looking forward to meeting with with you all to go over the, you know, the, what we experienced with the merger study and with the previous merger vote and to talk about what if anything we'd like to do going forward. And I know we've had a couple of joint. 16 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Meetings before where we really didn't have much of an opportunity to have dialogue together and so I'm really looking forward to that because I think it'll be helpful and, and, and useful. 17 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So the 1st point on the agenda is the joint discussion of the merger study process and process and contents. And the floor is open for anyone that would like to make any comments about that. Anyone? 18
006"Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Okay. So I really, you know, I know New York State says you have to do these surveys and have to go through the whole process of looking at everything. I didn't feel I saw anything different that I didn't already know. It didn't tell us exactly how to go forward. I think that's up to us to figure out how we can go forward. 19 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I see a lot of things that I would like to see that I haven't been able to see a candidate to hearing without a merger. Like, I would love to see K one and two having 18 students per class. I think that's really important. I see the possibility of using some of the dead space in our schools once we merge, if we merged to be
007able to expand on both sees. 20 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) If we brought the kids back here and did something in house, we'd have to be able to have more kids follow that path if they wanted to. So I really saw the survey as not really helpful, but I don't think we ever really had the opportunity to talk about what we thought we could actually go forward with. 21 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And that's what I'm hoping to see today, is maybe get everybody's ideas of what we could do. And I think we need to give that out to the public also if we go forward with this and let them know what we think as a board individually even. You know, some of us might be for it, so let me against it, get it out
008there, talk about it, let people. 22 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) That's my thoughts. Anyone else? Go ahead the process starting back process but we're kind of far apart, could you just speak out? 23 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Together. I thought it was well done. I thought we took the right steps, it got the right information from advisory put into the final study. 24 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I thought the study report, so I don't think the process advisory committee to the final product for the report was very good. I think it would have what happened after. 25 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) The study was done and then presented to the public. I think we felt short that I felt short, maybe we all felt short, is how did we get it out to the public to give enough information
009out there to have to make our decision? 26 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Because that's kind of what I've heard since I don't know how we get the information out. I think we did a pretty good job of having forums. 27 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) You know, putting some things out on social media website, that kind of thing, but somehow I think if we do proceed with we have to go a step further. Whatever that is, I don't know how we get it out there. 28 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I'm with the ideas, but I think that's kind of where maybe we fell short because people didn't know about it, they didn't know about content in the report to say, wow, this might be a good idea. 29 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So anyone else? And I would just like
010to basically second your thoughts about it. I I think obviously as we all know, the boat was very close and both Canada Harry and Ford plane. And I think that outreach had really. 30 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Getting out to, to our constituents. 31 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) With the story and really having conversations with them would have could've put it over the top. And I don't think that we did an adequate job of doing that. And I think if we make a decision to go forward in any way, that would be a key question that we'll need to deal with is how we can do a better job of. 32 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Reaching out to our constituents and having discussions with them. 33 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Yep. So I do think that what I've heard
011is that people wanted to know what the new board would look like, who's making the decisions. So I almost think that if we, if any of us were going to run for this new merged district, that we should be able to put out. 34 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) You know what we see as a future, what we see as a school so that people would know, have some faith in what we would be choosing because I think it was, you know, like this is what this is what we could have, but it was never, you know, I would do this or if I, you know, so I think it was, you know, a little bit of that in the kid. 35 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So I think if the kids got up and talked about it
012a little bit too. 36 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Maybe, maybe not so much top down but bottom up that we could get the kids involved, something like that. And just one other thing I'd like to add, I would like to thank both of our superintendents, both in Fort Plain and Canada Ari with a serious amount of work they put in in this prod. 37 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Process I think that you know what what they did in terms of public meetings and social media and all was very, very commendable and I think that I, I have NO NO criticisms of them at all. Have thanks. 38 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So thank you on that. So is there anyone else that would go ahead when I say I think you brought up a great week Mark is
013that you know take it forward did a great job. 39 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) At their open forums, they gave enough information to make a sound decision. I think you know if you went to those public forms I went to and every examples of what could the possibilities could be as well as the challenges of addressing. 40 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So I think I commend that as well. Great jobs so kind of nervous they really didn't and and nobody's a stuff. 41 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So how do you, you know, how do you push that out there more in terms of communication and that kind of thing? So it's it's it's almost a trial buyer ok may i speak? Yeah. 42 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I think the process is tough. What I mean by New York
014State created a process that really kind of, I felt kind of hamstrong us a lot in terms of, what you couldn't say and what you couldn't say and what you could promise and what you couldn't promise and I think that's extremely tough for everybody. 43 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I mean if I'm a 3rd grade parent at Candige Harry I'm like, this i'm fine. Everything's great for me right now. And that makes a lot of sense to me. And I and I'm also in the corner of people who have had a history saying, I love my Candidy Harry, you know, Coopers and school district, and so you can never fault that either. 44 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But I think that the study itself was good, but the presentation of it didn't paint the picture that I
015think Lauren and I kind of explained in a little bit more detail on what this could look like and what the problems and issues are. 45 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And, and I firmly believe that a thousand people who voted, a thousand people voted, a hundred and 75 people came out the forums, if 350 people came out the forums, and I think you're right. I, I feel pretty comfortable, the people that left the forms were extremely well educated. 46 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) About the situation and understood the UPS, the downs, the insides and outs and what our issues and problems were moving forward. So hindsight is everything, right? But I think the process in New York State does not help. 47 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) This entire venture and and I know I spoke to some people
016that stayed out of the forum at Nisba excuse me, at Niscus and and kind of let let them know what we felt about in the future for school districts, you're really gonna have to open up the door a little bit. 48 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And help people through this because it's a huge, it's a huge step, an absolutely huge step for people, so I understand everyone's plate and respect everyone's plate in terms of I feel comfortable the way it is right now. I don't want to change. I I firmly understand and respect all that. 49 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But the information has to get out better if we ever move forward to explain all those pieces. Social media is good at times and social media is bad at times. And social media now in these
017situations aren't as, isn't as good because. 50 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Incorrect information gets out and it compound that's not good either, you know, one message and I'm not gonna make this about me, but I wanted it because they were gonna buy out my contract and then pay me a new salary. Well, that couldn't have happened. That's impossible, but that's the information that got out. 51 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) You're gonna pay me triple and then pay me a salary being, I wasn't even in the cars reports or couldn't happen, but that type of information got out. And that's the stuff that, you know, we gotta cure by getting more people out to forums and information for the future. So I think the process hamstrung us. 52 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) A lot from the beginning and and
018I think as we tiptoe through things because the states said be careful saying this, be careful of saying this. We did that and I think that hampered it a little bit to show the whole big picture. So anyway that that's my $0.02 in terms of the process part of it. 53 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Children currently in either district, it's gonna be very hard to get them to go behind the that is the biggest thing I've heard from parents in both communities. And every time a question was asked early on my parents and the answer was not to have blue sky thinking or blue cloud thinking or whatever it was, it really turned people off. 54 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I think the tide actually started to turn when the forums that both of you started
019happening and those hypotheticals became a lot clearer, like most like most likely the will keep their elementary than people were like, oh, ok. The parents who have children in district, even though it could be so great, you're having. 55 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Very hard time getting past not knowing what it's gonna look like. 56 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And to kind of speak to that, when you think about businesses and investors, investors aren't going to give money to something that there's not a business plan for. And in essence, we were asking the community to make an investment without the business plan because we were bound not to be able to provide them. I think it would have been a very easy next step to make. 57 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Take a business plan. There are a
020ton of great ideas, intelligent, talented contributing members of both communities. 58 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But we wouldn't we didn't get there yet. We kind of did these. It could and nobody likes that. They want to see a plan. Yeah. So I agree completely. Every time the question was, well, you have to wait and see. You have to go 1st, then we'll tell you what everything is gonna look like. And I think that scared a lot of parents. 59 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But at the same token, I feel pretty comfortable with a hundred 75 people who came to the form that I'm gonna probably say 60 70 % of the people I think voted for it my and this will never be an 8020 situation or 7030 because of all the dynamics and the way people
021think and and that's. 60 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) That's fine because that we have to everyone has the entitle to their opinion and their thoughts and their feelings. So that that'll never be a full consensus I don't think you'll ever get there with that in these situations, but I think if people at least got the right information. 61 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And the correct information and the way that we presented it, like you said elementary schools and how we would look at other things possibly. I think people left feeling much more comfortable with what this could look like. And the bottom line, when you strip it all down, we still have to educate kids. We still have to provide aK12 instructions, so. 62 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) That stuff's never gonna go away. It's, you know, it's
022all the little pieces that let people uncomfortable, which I understand fully. So, anyway, again, hindsight's great. This is why these conversations are are wonderful. So we kind of felt. 63 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Like we saw the most interactions with those space videos that went up that maybe we did too long to put those out or we could have rolled them out like even if they were duplicates like so more people were seeing them because I think that's when some discussions did start to happen that like. 64 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) You know, a little more open minded or or they would be able to make them more and more I really think we should've probably utilized more because we weren't getting to turn out at the forms that maybe it's more of a dr. question, but.
02365 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) How much flexibility do we have to not follow every picking little rule that the state has. Am I recognized? Yeah, you don't, you don't have one. 66 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Regulation for a statute. This is a really important and I think productive conversation to have. What I'm hearing is really, really strong commitment. 67 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Unit. Typically these things, not typically, but often cases where mergers have been successful, it's taken a couple of prides and you probably can point the finger at the process. 68 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And for people that don't realize this, I'm the district superintendent for the policy, I also represent state. So so I work for the department, so I'm not gonna stand up in front of you and say they don't know anything or anything
024like that. It's really a dated process. 69 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) It goes back to centralization of schools in the 1950s and sixties. And think about how technology makes this a lot simpler to gather feedback. They didn't have product exchanges, they didn't have videos that they could post in that in that area. 70 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Yet we're still applying. 71 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Same principles, you know, there, there are lots of ways to benefit your students and I hope the discussions continue whether or not you you've determined to take this out to your voters again. The reflection here that that I'm seeing is really important. 72 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Yeah, I think that, you know, the the combined entity is going to be able to provide supports and opportunities that aren't there right now. I
025also worked in Fort Plane for four years as a superintendent and I understand the pride in in this school and what it. 73 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So that's real. 74 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We're having conversations about what's very obvious. I think you fall short of being able to say this won't happen, but I think these four your parts can have conversations about them and make it clear to us obviously we're not gonna close an elementary school. 75 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I mean your your the enrollment would have to diminish I think even more than it has since we weren't school. Ill and I talk about schools are about act one week when we came through and I didn't come through here without the road. 76 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) You know, so I do think having
026having more dialogue from the resources that you now have, your study's not perfect. It was done by people who don't know their community is you do, but they do have some, some capacity and expertise. 77 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) To provide scenarios and implications. I think there were some places where the study didn't go far. I think you could have dug in a little deeper on the finances. The blue sky thinking section when I saw that and I know these people a little bit I said that I wonder how that's gonna play. 78 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But it was, it was a good section I thought they should be, but they worked hard. 79 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Study and they they actually pushed the department a little bit. What, what maybe you didn't know that the
027consultants wanted to get a little more specific in some ways to put people's minds at ease, but but they couldn't. But one of the things that's also occurring. 80 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) When Nick did it through the state's superintendents organization. We are providing. 81 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Feedback about this process. You know, one of the initiatives we're engaged with is this regional point Regionalization was a bad term that they picked. From the start, Becky will tell you website, we're gonna talk about regional collaboration because we already do that, but we're not gonna come in and do something. 82 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Who you, but can consolidation be a component of regional collaboration? Yes, it can. Is it the only way? No, it's that. In this case, there's a certain amount of logic that really forces
028you to continue to consider this. I don't think this is going away permanently. 83 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Because the stravote of it. The straw vote isn't even the only way you can get to a binding boat, but circumstances are gonna change. And, you know, I'm I'm getting to be a little and people keep saying to me, when are you gonna retire them? I don't know what I'm gonna retirement. 84 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I've had a former colleague recently retired says you can't go for at least two years because it's gonna be so difficult potentially with what's gonna happen financially. Your region doesn't need that type of change right now. I don't know when it's gonna go. I would saved them, so I maybe. 85 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Here for a while. That's what made, you
029know. 86 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Keeping, a civil productive relationship between the two districts, whether you decide to go back out or not, it's critically important because you might need each other sooner rather than than you thinking. But ultimately having those discussions about. 87 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Best experiences for your kids and sports for your kids is what you drive this. I've spoken with Nick and Lauren just because you have the sunny in plan doesn't mean you can gather more information and have more discussions with it. 88 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But I would suggest you do, the the superintendent who brought off the Perth right after the merger sits on my board of education. I would say let's invite Harry Brooks over to talk about what it looked like after they merged. Now that was a
030long time ago. 89 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But your your work doesn't have to be done because that's study stuff. You can identify areas where you want more information and maybe naturally and say we should be collaborating here. 90 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Maybe maybe maybe there, there is another audit of your staffing and really dig in and look at where do we have uncertified teachers teaching our kids and should we accept that just because financially. 91 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We have to do that or or people not certified in that content area. It's those types of very basic things that that start the basis of your educational program. And I think that's what you should consider, whether you merge or not. 92 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Accepting the status quo, doesn't necessarily mean you're, you're protecting your
031heritage in the past, that can still be protected, even with changes that better serve the kids that are sitting in front of you now. 93 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So you ask for a little bit of a an unanswer there. We can press and ask the state what can we do differently? I would, I would suggest you, there's nothing that precludes you. You're looking at one another and saying. 94 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Obviously we're not gonna close. Can we just put that would you consolidate just support your kids, your youngest children on a bus longer than they need to be? 95 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So that that to me I don't think is necessarily concern that is insurmount. One of the things I heard was bringing back classrooms from and you might think I'm gonna say
032NO NO NO, don't do that. I'm gonna say yes yes yes. If you can, you should do that. I say. 96 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) See that as a voice of experience as a superintendent four plane when we were sending buses to payfield and lovers with Johnson with our kids with the most intense management needs and we wondered why they couldn't make the trip without popping the phones. 97 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And we went from having one bus make that run to three. So those types of things that might improve if you at least continue the dialogue to collaborate, maybe it turns into consolidate. 98 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Okay, thank you. So if there's NO more anyone else on this 1st point on the agenda, if not, we can move on to, goals present and future.
033Anyone like to speak about that? I think the reason why we put that and why we're talking about is what's the overarching district goal. 99 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I think we probably know the answer to this. You know, from my standpoint is giving the kids the best opportunities possible and be progressive. What I mean by progressive is. 100 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) The world's changing so fast and education always slacks behind a little bit in that progression because it can never catch up with, with, with the world. And now it's moving faster than ever. And. 101 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I I would think the goals, this is the discussion is to give those kids the best opportunities that every other kid has in Shenanda Hoa or Bethleham or, you know, schools of that nature, and
034if that's the case, I think we should probably frame that. 102 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And start to work everything off of that. And I think we do that already. But I think what happens a lot of times is you don't set those goals and the outside comes in with a lot of other things that don't fit the goals. Well, we shouldn't do this because of this, we shouldn't do this because of this, and it never fits the goal. 103 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I think if you design that goal, what that is, you should work everything off of it. Every decision you make you should make off of that, that goal. So that's why I think we put that in engyback off of that, but I think that was the case, right? For the most
035part. Yeah, I think just moving forward. 104 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I've been with this district for ten years now and the core fundamental purpose is to educate kids, and I think we all share the intention to do that well. What we're running into right now or what I see from a leadership perspective is that. 105 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I think our community is so conditioned to rely on our competencies that they're not feeling the urgency that we feel because they're not seeing the barriers in the clips. Right now, Partplane has an English vacancy, a Spanish vacancy, and a science vacancy. They have been posted for three months. 106 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We have had NO applicant. So at some point, our purpose to educate children is going to kind of hit this wall. And so
036far we've solved problems and we've been able to kind of provide solutions, so I think everyone's just kind of wresting on their laurels that that'll keep happening. 107 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But at some point, we're not wizards. I can't make a biology teacher appear out of thin air and and so I keep questioning and wondering for our school at what point is our core fundamental purpose gonna be significantly impacted enough? And negatively so. 108 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) That everyone can come to the table open minded and I would love for us to be there before we're in crisis smoke, and I do think it's necessary to get the community engaged and we're having a hard time figuring out how to do that because people only want to come. 109 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Either say their
037piece lately or kind of just to observe, but we're having trouble with engagement, true problem solving partners. So we're struggling. And right now I don't think everyone feels. 110 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I think that's part of the problem is that you guys have been very good at solving the problems and nobody sees what the problems are. So I bet a lot of people don't even know that you have three vacancies and spend three months and you can't find anybody. I bet you nobody even knows that. So, I mean if that got out. 111 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Then maybe people start to see what the problems are. We can't just keep putting a band aid on it year after year after year. I just see things getting lost every single year but nobody really knows that's
038happening. I think that's our job keeps solving the problems. 112 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But I do work each week when the magic buried us runs out what that looks like and not that it's magic, it's competency and intelligent. I don't want to undersell the work you do, but at some point there's not gonna be a resource pool to solve the problem especially on the human resources. 113 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I think that's why you set that goal, right? What's our ultimate goal, and we work off of that. And if that, you know, we don't want to get to five years down the road and go, oh, oh, or three years down the road and go, oh, oh, now we can't progress our kids, right? Like right now we're in status quo mode in our
039district. 114 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And here's what's happened too though it's changed since we've had the merger study. The federal government is talking about, you know, title grants, things of that nature staying the same or going down, right? Anything in our business that stays the same revenue wise? 115 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Or decreases is not good because expenses keep going that way. So anything that remains the same, so I use this example all the time. We had prepaid funding for 15 years, it was $348000 348000 hundred and $12, right? Knew exactly right what it was. 116 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But that was great when it started. Twelve years later, what is $348000, right? So what's ended up happening was the expenses kept going up and the revenue stayed the same. And we started to really
040eat into our general fund budget for pre K, which we don't want to get rid of pre K now, right? So now we're eating $110000. 117 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) A precade. Now we're able to get a $90000 grant and eat some of that up a little bit. But now what's happening is your, your federal side of funds are staying the same or decreasing. That's bad news for us. Another thing that's bad news for us in Canada Harry is the community just got hit harder. 118 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) With a tax increase, extremely huge tax increase. So for us to think that we're gonna go out and do what a John's not a school tax increase make that clear. But we think in four years if we have to go there and think that we're going
041to go out and do that, that's not gonna happen because. 119 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Guess what the way the system's set up. Can't vote on your federal budget, you can't vote on your local budget, you can't vote on your state budget. Guess where you can vote your school budget. So if we decide to put a 6 % increase out there to get over the edge, it's not gonna happen and I can fully understand that. 120 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So I guess the question is what are we doing, right? Like, why are we prolonging something that is going to be there and that we need to be there for our kids? So I guess I go back to what's our goal? Let's work off for a goal and try to keep. 121 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) The
042periphery of people's personal stuff on the outside like Covo. I didn't like masks on kids, but I had to check that at the door, right? And I think we have to do the same thing here. What's our goals? Our goal to give our kids the best opportunities and to be progressive, to make sure we stay up with the technology and how fast the world's. 122 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Going. If that's the case, then this is a NO brainer for us to look at doing this again. And I gained nothing off this. This isn't anything for me, I think it's best for our kids and we were hired to look five to ten years down the road and say, what's this gonna look like? 123 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I don't see a very good five
043years down the road for us to progress things for our kids. And let's talk about culture too. Culture for our communities and and keeping it together, that type of stuff we don't want to enrode. 124 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So I guess that's where we're at right now. So I asked the boards, what are our goals, right? What's our main goal? So anybody want to answer that? I think we know it, but that makes sense? 125 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Yeah, I just want to say one more thing just wanted I don't have all the flufference and all that same thing to go with me. I like just to get things done and all that, so. 126 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) When I was talking about, you know, the sports and now we have sports and you working
044with the problems that we had and covering up and doing what you guys have been doing very well, that, in my opinion, to forcing. 127 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) If it stops, then the public realizes how bad it really is. If we keep covering it up and making it good and it's ok for now ok for them, they will just rely on you guys to keep doing that. 128 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) If it stops and you go well. It was a NO, sorry, we can't have baseball, we can't have basketball, then you get people. I mean, 20 years ago, we tried this before five years ago, we tried this before. 129 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Sports was a whole lot that it didn't happen. Now it's it's completely so it did stop, which I understand you want
045you want to hurt their education, but sports. 130 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I was done with my call where these programming since me it's not but if you do take that way force them, they will realize how we needed this is and then you get more people out to vote. 131 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Because that's to take care of. Okay, is there anyone else on those? I think we just need to think about what's gonna be different. I'm sorry. What's gonna be different and what just happened? The information that gets different. 132 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Has to be different in some way, in some fashion, and I think a big part of it is at least the feedback I've got from a lot of people too is that they can trust the information. So if they
046don't know the people giving the information and on one side we're hearing those districts are great range. Now we wanna strong our people to say, No it's not great. 133 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Actually it's really bad. It's 1st like at 1st to students ever, that should be a goal primarily, 1st of NO harmon students. So talking about taking anything away from that should never be up for discussion in my opinion or for families. However. 134 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) The information was given to this to our, to our people, to our communities where it's coming from is very important and also when we started this whole process, I think we were all told to stay very neutral. We were told not to make our opinions known, as leaders, as boards of education, at the beginning of
047this process, we were we were told don't talk about it really with your opinions. 135 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) The information from the study. Well then you have people who are going on social media who are giving all the misinformation and none of us can say anything better, and we're all sitting in these 3 h long meetings and getting all the backs from the study and you have these keyboard warriors who are posting all of this negativity about the process and we all sat back signment. 136 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So, if this is something that is going to move forward, I think we need to talk about as a group what is going to look different for the people who are voting because I think it's important for them to know that their votes did matter
048and did count and that we're not just coming back to the table and saying, Oh never mind. 137 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) That doesn't count? I think that all needs to be taken into consideration as to how is this process going to look differently than it did back when I be recognizing it? I think that's I think I think going back out and just saying, hey, let's take a look at this. 138 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Probably is disrespectful. I think and I'm a little reflective myself right now about some of the things interesting about not being able to, be heard during the process. I think he can. 139 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I will say and I said this to both Nick and Lauren during the process, I said, you guys have done that job because there
049will only be one superintendents. So you put the interested. 140 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) But you hire superintendent to service your CEO organization, managing the organization, your school district and so they've clearly followed. 141 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) They don't even in this particular situation. You are your community's representatives, but I said that they can. I think you carried water and you can. 142 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) It was, you know, we we shouldn't go out and make promises of what it's gonna be and we shouldn't try to cipher the process. I mean we got it, you got it to the vote, I think that was worthwhile. I don't think you're necessarily exciting any time soon when. 143 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) You're gonna have another phone or not attempt to get there. 144 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) When you're
050right now not government by anything of that process that you're all frustrated at whatever conversation you have, I will do it, still use what you learn from the study, use the study itself, and identify areas where you want more information. 145 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I can be assistance to you and as you're doing that, press the department about this is what they want to go on with they feel like they need more information. I don't think we'll ever get to the point at least in the next year or two where you get to say. 146 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) These five things are not much longer than they you have to do when they merge. I think having your boards come together for some collaborative collective recommendations for the next four of education makes all
051the sense but we, you know, we can we can push a little bit, but really important. 147 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) To remember that there is space to build on the information you already get. And I think we were on paces. I really do. I think like like you said what what would be different? I think just the approach we were taking in the forums. 148 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Is is what we would go out with. Listen, let's put this straight out there. It was a two and a half percent margin of error. It's 4 % on each side, two and a half percent. That's pretty much what it was. And it was a thousand people who voted a hundred and 75 people come out to the forms. I still firmly agree that if three or
052400 people come out to the forms who wouldn't be even talking right now. 149 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I think that's the advocacy that we need to take to educate more people on what the whole process is and things have changed. Definitely things that have changed on the financial front in our community. And yeah, I guess I'd never wanna get there where kids are suffering. 150 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And why do we want to do that when we're that close? Remember, this isn't gonna be a 7030 8020 vote. This is gonna be a 55 to 45 vote. It really is and and we gotta respect people's opinions on that. But I think what the bottom line is, what is our goals again? Our goal is to give their kids their best opportunities possible moving forward.
053151 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) If that's our goal, then we gotta give our kids the best opportunities to move forward. And, and I think the only way to do that is to put this back up to give people that opportunity to do that. That's my, that's my strong opinion on that because I don't want to be there in five years. 152 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) To realize that our kids lost out and and that we fell behind. I'm really I'm really comfortable just speaking from my district. We try to stay ahead of everything. Portion of a graduate, the academy's conscious discipline restored practices and we we stayed ahead of all that stuff to give our kids those opportunities. 153 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I don't want to get to a point where we can't do that anymore or
054we have to limit it. Excuse me. Limit it or keep it to a status quo and I'm afraid we're getting there and I'm again me, I'm looking 357 years, right? Cause that's what i'm supposed to do. 154 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So what we do different, I think we've got to hit the road. I think both of our unions, our boards of educations, our superintendents, again, have to hit the road and get people educated in the situation. 155 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And understand the ins and outs of this entire process and why it's important for our kids. Back to our goal. What is our goal to give our kids the best opportunities possible? Yes, we could do distance learning and keep two districts separate, but we also have the option of not doing that and merging
055and have a teacher in front of them. 156 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So we have that opportunity to do that. Why wouldn't we give that opportunity to our kids? We all know this in two years if we merged in a year and a half, in two to three years, everything's gonna be fine. We're gonna build a great district. We're gonna build a great environment for our kids. 157 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) There's NO, we don't know any other way and and that's going to happen. So I think we can kind of get over that too and tredge through some of the negativity that we'll get, which we will NO matter what we do, to give our kids the best opportunity to move forward on this. That's my personal preference on all this, seeing it from every avenue
056from the start of this to the middle of. 158 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) To getting out to forums and I went out to the I went out to the diner. We talked to kids, there was a lot of opportunity for me to get a lot of feedback and I talked to a lot of people afterwards too. And it was very similar feedback. Too, though, is that it can't be just you. No. You love you. 159 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Sarah and dr. Z have addressed what Patty has already gotten that, that thousand people voted, I can almost guarantee you that between everyone at this table or board member, we know. 160 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Every one of those thousand people, one of us here knows every one of those people. So if Sarah is saying there was
057a trust issue, didn't trust necessarily the death, they didn't trust the nice gentleman that made the presentation. Assumably there is some degree of trust thousand people had. 161 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) In us twelve people because they voted for us to get here. The more that we can be the ones presenting that information to them can alleviate some of that trust from. And by having these saying people were concerned about what would this mysterious future board look like whether it was five people or seven or nine. 162 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Not to say that, you know, Alvin or anybody else in the audience could, you know, might run, but for the most part, in mergers when you look at them, the new board is made up very largely the people who were already sated on one
058of the previous boards. Everybody in the room maybe. 163 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Except me, you know, it would be eligible to sit on this before. So that is gonna help that scary piece of it because the more that the people at this table were involved in the initial process and people are hearing this is what Patty Pratt thinks. Oh, this is what thinks, this is what Toby thinks. They're gonna feel more comfortable saying, oh, well. 164 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Okay with them. I like I know them better. 165 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) It's not such a scary law. So it seems like a large partner what will be different is got to be the twelve people sitting at the table that are getting out there and. 166 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Speaking to groups and there's a
059question and answer from the audience, but they're not all addressed to the two of you questions and answers come to whichever twelve is more comfortable answering that particular question. If I can just. 167 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And a couple of opportunities in the past considering merging and I have NO previous, you know, going to. 168 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And after going through this process. 169 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And this is an opportunity that we. 170 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We'll look back, say that. 171 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Students offering situation and I think if if we don't consider this five years from now, individuals most of us makes to say NO, that was probably the right thing. 172 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I think it's important to be proactive, not completely different they don't always go for
060them. I don't you know what standing. 173 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And offering for our students. Now, I don't want to wait to learn and then try to fix just from. 174 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So that's my So kind of segwing to next steps as I listen, it sounds like there's interest in continuing a conversation. 175 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I like the idea of a potential like joint committee possibly. That might be an action we could take is to form a joint committee of combined board members moving into the next year that does some more assessment and reevaluation. 176 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I also think both schools need to do a state of affairs address to their communities in various formats in the fall because I anticipate that by September when the instructional program once
061again re resumes, there's going to be things we feel, and there's gonna be things that we haven't talked about yet. Total transparen. 177 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Right now, our combined athletic programs rely heavily on fort plane providing the transportation. 178 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Two and from Canadaja area to make it all work because our bell schedules are different. When we don't have drivers to do that, that dissolved or falls apart. So there's just things that we haven't said yet that could be in a state of affairs address. And I think if both schools really put their heads together between a joint committee looking at that. 179 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) That's new and it's not outsiders, it's internal, it's you, it's us. It's, it's those internal pieces before we say to our community, can we rethink
062this? I think to say we're rethinking it before we do that, would burn bridges, I'll be honest. 180 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So I just, that would be my next steps recommendation is the possibility of joint committee. If I can just make one more suggestion. No, sorry. I think it's really. 181 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And you have to break this down because this thing's just a huge entity that you're trying to to work through. Maybe you want to talk about or maybe things will be identified at the elementary. Maybe it's gonna be this, this, you know. 182 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Have a bucket for elementary discussions. Then your secondary program maybe finance, maybe extracurriculars, but break them apart and maybe have the board members who are interested in doing this, I have my hunch. 183 "Andrea
063Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Where where where you will see that you're not offering, you know, we refer to it sometimes as rural inethnics or even rural schools except less than your suburban in our. 184 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Happens at the secondary level and I alluded to some of the things with certifications and talk about that. Anyway, it it maybe that that's what drives this conversation is your your secondary programs are they complete? That's not saying you shouldn't look at what's happening in the implementation. 185 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Here of schools. 186 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) As well, but I think that that's really where the the rubber heads grow here where where you're right and breaking down a little bit and you don't have a crisis point right now financially, but you might have a crisis point programmatically
064at the secondary level that you're not. 187 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Acknowledging. And I would just from my personal opinion, I'm sorry but I think we should do this sooner than later for two reasons. One, it's fresh, people's emotions and emotion is good. For change to happen, we all know this. 188 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) For change to happen, it can't be status quo. People's emotions gotta be whether it's positive or negative, people's emotions have to kind of be involved and change. And, and I I wouldn't wanna lose another year, I guess is the is the concept because I. 189 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I I'm so excited for what we can offer our kids. I'm so excited for the vision and me and Lauren sitting down in forums we talked about what we can offer our kids.
065And we all know that takes time to build additional programming. 190 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I know that this could look amazing. I think from Hercomer county, this would be the place where people would want to come. I think we can build that and I think that's so exciting to do. And Dave can maybe echo this. 191 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I don't know if $56 million is gonna be there in two or three years. You know what I mean? Well, given that, you know, in this year's budget mid year cuts are possibility that that might change, but I don't want to use any type of steer cracking. No, It's what we said from the start, the reason this is for your student. 192 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Yeah, that $56 million is also one of you can
066amplify if your intention with it and spend it in categories that extend the model. So that service be conscious of reimbursable expenses like transportation, technology, and money that you spent with both Cisco both have. 193 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Pretty high reimbursed ratios. 194 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So that's just my personal preference. Listen, there's twelve or 14 people here, so they have to make a decision on just saying it from my feeling and from my vision of what we want for our kids. So is there anyone else? Nope. 195 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And actually getting there a certain amount of time. My understanding is we have up to a year with the current study, so that is when this I'm pretty sure that's when the vote went out. Yeah. So. 196 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Today he
067referenced that I can pin him down a little more when the study was was returned to you. So, you know, what we did in you know asked the question, is there anything we can do with the department? Well me give you an idea. 197 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We we press the sheet because typically you are supposed to merge to that school years work. We make the case that it's gonna be too late to do that. 198 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Two years ago or even two and a half years ago, they just approved that they did not they just hadn't know that that you would have to talk about. I don't see you having. 199 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Again, even if this were two or three years down the road, I think they're just gonna have
068updates. Can I ask a question? There has to be an assessment. 200 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Of work to pass. It does not have to be a struggle. It didn't have to be this test, but what was chosen, and it's because traditionally it has been a struggle, there is an option to just have a petition. 201 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And now that I'm not in it every every day I gotta remember exactly what it was, to your average three years ago? One to approve it just saying we. 202 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) My favor a merger and boom it goes, and then it goes through. But I don't think we should get just a general question. Yeah. 203 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) There's two ways to do that. I think before we decide to do that, there has
069to be some kind of joint mission statement. It's not work that has to take forever, but something has to happen in between just saying, let's add the community again working. 204 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Yeah, I think you want to be strategic because if if it, you need to be respectful because it might not be and you still have kids sitting and you've gotta do right by them and a lot of the things you do together are the best things in kids lives. 205 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Okay, I just want to say I'll admit this in public. I've been a rule breaker all my life. And, you know, I thought after we voted to proceed with a merger vote that we were free to urge people to support that position. 206 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I
070got on the phone and I called 70 or 80 people and I asked them to go out and vote, and the response was all positive because I was able to answer their questions as you were talking about. They had questions they wanted to know who who's gonna be the new board? I could answer that question. What's gonna be the differences? I could answer that question. 207 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And every one of I I was amazed everyone I spoke to said they were gonna go out and vote in favor of the merger. And so I really think that, you know, if we decide. 208 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) To proceed with this, I think that's gonna be the key. I think it's gonna be outreach where we speak one on one to each and every person
071that we can reach to talk to them and answer their questions and make sure they're fully informed so they can vote based on that. I also want to say that. 209 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) One of the things that I feel strongly about, again, this is just my thoughts, is I think I would like to see us do a petition drive rather than another straw or should we decide to go forward? And the reason why is if you have a petition, people have to sign the petition. 210 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) You have to talk to them. You can answer their questions and you can or if you don't have the answers, you can find out the information and get it back to them. And I think that would really be a way that we could involve
072the whole school community in getting out there and doing outreach and talking to our constituents. 211 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And I think that it would be, you know, they talk about the average of the last three years of the budget vote I'd wanna double that because I think if we go out if we really get out there and speak to people, we could do that. Again, just giving my opinion I apologize. 212 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) So, I would do this call. We're this impression that, you know, I I think trying to. 213 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Prevent the consideration from the voters because that, you know, there was there were compelling reasons probably why they should be given a chance to weigh in. But I'm not positive it's accurate that you can't express an opinion. 214
073"Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I'm supposed to be very careful and serve as an impartial an impartial resource and connection to the department. Well, I say to you, if you're asking my opinion of, of. 215 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Whether or not program will be stronger if if the districts are combined I'll tell them yes. If you're asking me my opinion, do I think you should do this? That's up to your programs. That's, that's the way I would handle that but I'll get clarification for you so you know exactly what you can do forward. 216 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Apologize if that was confusing because I'm still be a rule breaker lot I'm just just kidding. Alright, so the next point on the agenda, if there's nothing else on this would be the superintendents, but did you already spread
074ok so then the last thing would. 217 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Be of what's the next stages? What do we want to do going forward at this point? So Nick and I are sort of as as we're listening and taking it in, we agree that I think the next step would be. 218 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) For both boards to kind of appoint some representatives to do some committee work, joint committee work across the districts to prepare potentially like a state of affairs address in the fall as well as bring to each board some decisions about do we want to get further community input and be responsive to time. 219 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We do know, I agree with Nick. We don't want to waste times either children in front of us every day that we are
075trying to serve in the best way possible. So be efficient with that, but I think our org meetings could include appointments to committees to do joint work. 220 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Are you thinking I'm sorry, are you thinking just board members? A committee of the board representatives like we have policy committee and finance committee. Is there any way that we can get teachers formal? We can do anything you want. Maybe you didn't have an active of enough voice. 221 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) All this too and I think impacts them a lot and I think they're the ones that see our parents and our kids every day. 222 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And know what's going on every day with their students and where the gaps maybe and I think that it might help to have the
076teacher representation, that's just maybe I will talk to the bargaining unit leaders. Maybe we could have a joint diverse stakeholder company. It doesn't just have to be the teacher stuff. Yeah. 223 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) I think from each of these student board members potentially, maybe? That could be our next step, and then we can come up with a plan and report back to the boards and say this is what we recommend, and then it's still up to the boards to see what they want to do next. Does that makes sense? We'll put our thoughts together. 224 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Okay so I think each board would have to decide if they want to agree with this approach. 225 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) And, and I could we have an open vote and just do it that
077way now? Would that be agreeable? Or do you wanna have further discussion? Are you voting just to form a committee? Yeah. Okay. Would that be agree? I don't know, is that I. 226 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Yes or NO to form a joint committee. Yeah so would that should that be agreeable that we could at least just have a board vote and decide whether we want to proceed with that? 227 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Would it be possible for us to have discussions with our own boards and then go at our own meetings? Yeah, I think I would recommend we add at our organizational meeting, we would create a joint committee and then assign members just so we can do it appropriately and I'm just i'm struggling for a way forward here. So the way forward I
078think is Nick and I are hearing this is the. 228 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Request so at our next meetings which come very quickly for us in about two weeks. 229 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) We will create a joint committee if that's the will of the boards, which it sounds like it is and then appoint members to that. Okay. Does that agreeable with everyone? Just you know ok great alright if there's nothing further, I would entertain a motion to adjourn. 230 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Second. Okay, all in favors. All right. Well I'm really glad we got to have a joint meeting because it's great to be able to communicate back and forth. Your regular board meeting will be here. 231 "Andrea Muhlebeck" (3001530624) Port plane we are going down to the district office now. If the board.