001Good evening. Um, we had some technical issues, but we're going to get started now. Um, this is a meeting of the facilities committee. Um, today is Wednesday, November 5th, 2025, and it's 5:41. I'm Jen Perez of the committee chair. And then online, we have committee members Albert Denning and Andre Woodson. in person. We have board members Joseph Kovic and Willie Gentina. What else? That's it. Um we'll get started um with the approval of the minutes dated September 3rd, 2025. Is there a motion? >> So move Benales. >> I'll second it. Any questions on that? All in favor say I. >> I. There you go. >> Okay. >> All right. The next um item is an update from PMA for work workers compensation insurance carrier. >> Good evening everyone. Um so this evening we're going to
002start off with an update on uh from PMA on workers compensation and some of our safety um inspections that we've been doing throughout the district. uh you know one of the foundations for the department is making sure that our folks are coming into um a good work environment and get home safe to the family. That's the number one edict from day to lunch beginning of the day. Um and we take this very seriously. So there is a trend that we're seeing. So you know Jeremy will be going through the the presentation but there's something I wanted to point out and there was a trend where we had some great numbers right in terms of compensation. you know, some of those certifications, trainings, all the things that we've been doing alongside PMA have really panned out
003well for us, but there is a trend that is starting to trend up in terms of uh compensation and we think it's directly related to the size of the workforce that we have now. You know, we're asking for more and more from our people and we're starting to see that it's having an effect on the workforce. So, with that said, I'm going to turn to Jerry Brewer from PMA. >> Thank you very much. Good evening everybody. Thank you for the invite. It's nice to be here in person. It's nice to see people on Zoom as well. Again, my name is Jeremy Brewer. I'm a risk control consultant from PMA. As risk control consultants, just to give you kind of an idea of what we do, our main job is injury prevention. We just try to
004help people avoid from getting hurt. That's our biggest bucket. So, we spend a lot of time looking at the data so we can set up specific trainings uh and you know to to help some of these issues. We also do accident investigation. If somebody should get injured, we'll look at it from not so much from a blame perspective, but like what was the issue? Is there something that could be changed to help avoid that issue moving forward? The other bucket of things that we do is regulatory compliance. We look at all of the OSHA and K OSHA stuff. We want to make sure our paperwork is up to par. So if Kosha was to come in and say, "Hey, how does your bloodborne pathogen policy look? Is it up to date?" We help to make
005sure that it is because that's lowlying fruit for, you know, when they come in. But they're also very important aspects of injury prevention. So that's the basic job that I do here. What I really like about the board of ed facilities division is that we do monthly safety fees. And I'm going to tell you something that doesn't happen. I have many other large city and town municipalities. We don't meet monthly like this for board event facilities. And frankly, this is my only one where it's board of ed facilities. So this is fantastic. and the relationship that I have with George and with Mike and Travis and everybody out on our team is has really been great. So, I'll go through some of the things that we've been working on over the last year as well
006as our data. So, I did hand out a packet here and there's a PowerPoint that we're going to move forward if you can go to page one of that. >> We'll add this packet to the portal for those online. >> So, the way that I set this up because some people like graphs, some people like data setup. So, basically both of these say the same thing. It's just whatever is more aesthetic to your eye or your way of thinking or or getting information. So go to which oneever makes sense to you. But I'm going to start with the one to my left that has the numbers and not the graphs. And what we did is we did about we like to do between a four and five year look back. Like where are we between
007the last four and five years? So if you look at the first row, it's fiscal year 2021. And as you go across horizontally, you'll see there was 24 claims that year totaling $386,000. And they they put it about an average of 16,000 per claim. So now when we move to 2022 again, claims pretty much the same minus one. 2023, you're down even more. 2024, you're really down. And then you go over one row there, you'll see the 292,000 versus the year before, which is the 353, which was really good. That was a nice lowering. And again, 2025 it was down just a little bit. But as we start to look at cost per claim all the way to the right, that item over there to the right, the first was 16,000. But if you look
008at 2025, it went up to 35,000 per claim. So we start to ask ourselves, what are these injuries that are costing so much money? So as we switch to the next page, you flip the slide for me. We're just waiting on our slide. [clears throat] All right. So, this looks so similar to every other municipality. Slips, strips, and falls, and strains, and sprains are always our number one and number two injury. And what you'll see here is of those the the look back that we did 38 of them were strains and sprains. And that makes sense given the job, the repetitive motion, the lifting, the twisting, the moving. This makes sense as to it being your number one. As we go down, we look at slip and fall. What makes slip and fall injuries so
009dangerous is right here. our heads. For those of you who can see me, >> our heads when we slip and we fall, if you slip back and you hit your head on the ground, it could cost your life. I don't mean to go to that level and be dramatic, but it's true. Or it can alter the way you enjoy living your life. For some guys, I know they enjoy riding motorcycles with a traumatic brain injury. Can't do that anymore. So, our lives could be just by one slit and go down to one head injury, not to mention our pelvis. We store a lot of blood in our pelvis. We slip, we fall down a flight of stairs, right? You can really get significantly injured. And what we see with a lot of these slip and
010fall injuries is in many ways a lot of them are preventable. Yes, you'll get those fluke accidents that happen, of course, but sometimes it's, you know, a person either, you know, moving too quickly or something was placed on the floor or somebody didn't see anything. So, we like to do a lot of our trainings on slip and fall injuries because a lot of times these are the most ones that are preventable. And what I find is that especially as an instructor, I often say I often start every training this way and anybody here who's been through a training, I always say we need to be reminded more than we need to be instructed. I'm not recreating the wheel, especially when it talks when it comes to ergonomics and those types of things. But sometimes just
011remembering, hey, keep your chin up when you're lifting because so so many so often we just, you know, we bend over and we lift this way. So, we like to get into the ergonomics of stuff and and and going back. So, you slip and fall injury, but these this data is very uh on par with with a lot of cities and other towns. And I like to look at the top three. Now, this is where this can be a little deceiving, and as we go forward, you'll see it. So, your number three injury was cut, punctured, or scraped by. There was eight of those. All right? But we're going to go by cost and by significant, and I'll tell you it wasn't cut, puncture, and scraped. So, we go to the next one. The next
012page, it's going to have some blue. This one breaks it down by percentage. So again, strain and sprains was 42% of all your injuries in that 5 years. The slip and fall was 22%. And again, that cut, puncture, and scrape was 8% of the claims. But now when we flip one more page, let's look at total cost incur uh occurred. obviously strains and sprains was nearly $800,000 in cost. Slips and falls $68,000. Why? If you think about that, when we slip and fall or strain, we start talking rotator cuff. We talk knee. We call these things are expensive. That's why. But look at number three, motor vehicle. Not your number three expense was motor vehicle accidents. So of the there was like I think three accidents that total $73,000 injuries. So motor vehicle from a
013lot of people who work inside a facility which are number three um expense. So we do have a class that we often give called defensive driving. It's put on by the National Safety Council and I'm a National Safety Council's certified instructor in defensive driving and again a lot of other areas. I just did it for um I just did it for Department of Public Works here in Bridgeport. The guys really enjoyed it. The team over there, we do it for a lot of cities and towns. It's a 4-hour class. It's almost like going back to driver's ed, but people often tell me it's a great class and it's a lot of great reminder stuff because if you're like me, I got my license in 1992, right? A lot has changed in since 1992. And I
014know I'm looking around, so people are looking at me like 92. So again, this is the when we start to look at the data and we look at training, when we look at motor vehicle being your third cost, that's when we start saying, hey, is defensive driving potentially a good class uh for for the team here. So as we go to the next slide, this you might might find interesting. They start to talk about tenure and it breaks it down and if we start in the left column 2021, right? It breaks it down into to time on the job. So 10 years or over time on the job was in 2021 was 54% of your claims. Three to five was 33. And as you as your eyes start to kind of go over between 22
01523 24 you'll see sometimes that jumps around with the different amounts of time on. But even more interestingly if we go forward it breaks it down to age on the next one. And this is one that I definitely want to talk about. Is that the So if we go back to that 2021 just for a starting point. So people workers between 25 and 34 were only 8%. And then it goes up, right? Ages 50 to 64, it was 58%. >> Well, if you think about it, and I can tell you this as a retired police officer for I should have mentioned this in the beginning. I'm a retired police officer. I did 21 years working in law enforcement. And I will tell you, wearing a gun belt, even as a skinny guy, for those of
016you who can see me, wearing a gunbell for 20 years, we talk about repetitive motion, it wres havoc on your back, >> havoc on your hips. It's just part, it's just part of the job. So all these things we do over time. So we start to see age, a lot of the age things, they start to make sense because you're doing jobs for longer periods of time, right? So now we go to 2022. between 50 and 64 went down a significant amount, but yet 25 to 34 went up. And I think this speaks to George's point. If we go over to aisle 2024 here, 25 to 34 years old, 33% was the injuries in that age bracket in 2024, which matched 50 to 64. And then uh 2025 again we go over and the time
017on the job is when the significant injuries come up. So if you want to switch the page there one more time. So I broke it down this way of uh falls were 35 35 claims just in falls which was over half a million dollars just in those claims. So when we put your top three were falls, motor vehicle and strains. Those would be your top three money liars. over the last couple of years. So, we talked about what are we doing to help prevent stuff. if you want to go forward one more slide. Uh what our team got together and we decided to do a walkthrough of a lot of I'm going my goal is to over the next few months get into every school walk through every school and look at it through a
018risk control consultant's perspective because what happens is when we spend time in a building every day we know our building but we might not know OSHA code or we might not even realize hey by the way that's dangerous right because you're in the building every day. So what are we talking about? We're talking about blocked fire exits, blocked electrical panels, uh slim trip and fall hazards. People don't realize on the those little those carpets, they start to come up on one end. We go into a teacher's room and maybe they have some throw rugs for the kids, but maybe those throw rugs aren't the best for that room, especially if you're in a room with kids that are on the spectrum and maybe, you know, having, you know, little piece carpets that move around might
019not be the best thing in that room. And uh another thing that we found is that asking the teachers. So we would find rooms where they weren't actively teaching. Maybe the teachers were correcting papers and we'd ask them, "Hey, I'd introduce myself. Hey, do you notice anything that a slip drip had fall?" You know, and there was a couple that were like, "Hey, yeah, you know what? Over by the water fountain by the gym, there's not a drip mat and then the waterfalls on the floor." I said, "Oh, really?" And when we walked through, I walked through with with Mike and Travis, the electrician. And we walked through with the facilities people, so they knew. It wasn't just me writing a report, giving it back. It was everybody in real time going, "All right, this
020is an electrical issue. This is a hazard here." So, these walkthroughs were incredibly helpful uh from building a little bit of culture, but also seeing if it's an OSHA rep should walk through some of the stuff that we might come across. So, we've been actively doing that right now, which has been great. If you look one more page, these are some of the safety trainings that we did over the past few months. Like I said, we did a slips, trips, and falls training. We did a safe lifting and material handling because material handling is is big. You know, where are we placing the heavier items? Are they up off the floor? Are we bending? Is there a stool? What's what's there? We talk about lifting. We did confined space training. We talked about what the
021confined spaces are and the dangers of going to those areas. We even got into trenching and being around areas of trenching. I do have some OSHA tents coming up as well. And I'll end it with this. I've been working very closely with Mike Hires and we've been going through all of the paperwork, all of the OSHA related paperwork, bloodborne pathogens, respiratory programs, because a lot of these hazardous communication, all these different things, lock out, locking and tagging out of hazardous energy. What happens is Kosha comes in and they say, "Okay, show us your safety paperwork." And if it's not up to par, that's a vulnerability for a lot of cities and towns, especially in this area. So, I've gotten together with Mike. We've put a lot of effort into this. So, we're going to be
022uping our training because as a trainer, what we're required to do by OSHA is train to your policy. So, if you have a lock, a locking and tagging out of hazardous energy. And for people who don't, that's actually placing a lock on something so it can't be energized or a tag, letting people know that it can't be energized so nobody gets injured. I often say, imagine you're washing your car, it's like a hose. You turn on the water, you spray it. If you turn the water off, there's still energy in that hose. You spray it, you see the water come out. This is what we don't want with electricity. Somebody accidentally getting electrocuted or or worse. So, we put programs together and policies and Mike I can't say enough about Mike Py. He's been doing
023an amazing job working with me to make sure that we're exactly where we need to be. So, again, I don't want to take up too much time. Um, you guys have the paperwork. They're going to email the document over. Just kind of gives you an idea. The data kind of tells the story. and we meet monthly, so we we kind of in real time are looking at these things, but anytime you need me to come back and and talk about data, I'd be more than happy to do it. Just let me know. Is there any questions? I know I fired through that. I just I don't want to keep you guys here too late. >> I just want to acknowledge Mr. Travers joined the call. He's a board member as well. Um [music] >> really
024questions. >> Yes. So, you you are very good salesman. You can sell anything right away >> when you believe in it. It's not hard to sell. Um when you talk about all this situation [music] everything my question for you I believe um whoever work in um our schools the custodian and everything they have to have the training process and everything right if they know something's wrong they report it right away >> absolutely >> and how long they will take to um um >> if it's a safety issue they become a priority for us so every single time there's an issue that needs to be reported it's reported through our work order system uh work system is routing to Mike and to Jose and if there's a priority they make a phone call along with that
025so make the phone call first put the work order in once the phone calls received we're sending someone out to rectify a safety or health issue that's our top priority every single day as you can see through the presentation you know one of the things that we're putting a premium premium on is the safety of everyone that walks in the building not just our staff because it's important and to the point of staffing right we don't have enough staff to not making sure that we're working as safely as possible. We got to ensure that these folks are able to come to work every day, do their job, and go home safely. And that's number one. That's the number one priority for the facilities department. >> When you say we're walking through the safety start from
026when it's outside, let's say the outside moment we get out of the moment the ground of the school or before that, you know, that's what >> Yeah. So, as soon as they pull up and they step on their car on that on that facility, they should be looking for any hazards. Um so you know that's their number one job you know um to ensure that when folks walk into that building that you know there aren't any impediments or anything that can cause an issue. Um if there is something they make the phone call we're out. >> I know everything's everything um I can hear very nice but this is the problem in your department. You sure it's >> this is why we want to make sure you guys are aware of the effort we're putting.
027I know you need I know we need I know we we know you need staff because sometime like you said we got one person to handle so many school like one pension you know electricity or whatever it is and then sometime when you need to fix something they take forever to fix it they take forever months because you know me and you be working with that and I know my colleague too you know we talk to you about that they don't make sense when sometime when they take forever when it's something about sex >> exactly you know they don't make they don't make sense second when the teachers they know there's something wrong with I'm in the room always principal since the principal they supposed to report it right away. If they don't report it
028right away and something happened. >> So that's one of those things the the the the heading is this. If you have an issue you report it to your custodian or your principal the work order put in we address them. If it's not in the work order system we can't address it we don't know about. So what happens sometimes some issues they are reported and then we're getting a phone call you know we have this issue we have this this this concern first thing I say is Mike can you look at the floor orders tell me what's going on in that school if there's nothing there you can't respond we do not want to respond without having a record of it because obviously we want to make sure that everything we're doing we're able to itemize
029we want to ensure that if there's an issue we want to show you the cost of things the time it takes for us to get things done all of Those things are very important. So >> we like to hear about them. A lot of times we almost hear about them anecdotally. Oh, did you hear about Jack? And I'm like, what about Jack? It started off as a story and it turned into that's actually a near miss, guys. So again, just to follow up, we we try to follow up on all of those things, but the the the meetings that we have monthly, they do take it very seriously. >> And the training with the custodian, how long they will take that training? >> So there's several trainings. So there's the best practices in cleaning, which
030are done every single summer. Once someone's onboarded, they have to get certified online. And then every summer they have a refresher. Um certifications happen uh depending on the frequency can happen yearly, can happen every so many years depending on the activity. Um but we're constantly looking to train certify as much as we can. The main thing we want to do is invest in our staff, right? Because when you have a small workforce, you want to make them as proficient as possible what it is that they do every day. So, you know, we put a premium on investment in our people. That's why we work with Jeremy. That's why we have our monthly uh safety meetings. That's why we keep very detailed records on what's going on in the building. So, we are making sure we're
031spending our time and our energy where it's needed. >> So, last year, right before you did stripping in the summer, we did a slips and falls training the day before stripping because we know stripping is so dangerous when it comes to slips and falls. So, we talked about the proper footwear, staying in the game, not putting your headphones, and being out in space to music, like making sure you do all those things. I hope that answers your question a little bit. Like we'll focus in on all right, you guys are going to be doing stripping. Let's do training around that. Oh, you're going to be doing this. So, we're trying to be as aggressive as we can with with those specific topics. [music] >> The last thing um is the same thing. Safety is very
032different from the staff, right? It's different. But safety >> say the safety you talk about the custodian in the bus is very different for the staff, you know, and let's say principal teachers is very different. I mean it it is some of the same but when we're doing our assessments of buildings we're looking at everything you know to ensure that everyone that walks through that facility is safe you know some of the findings and you know ruffle some feathers there right so that we did an assessment of a building and there were microwaves and and uh toaster ovens and refrigerators and a good portion of the the classroom was in school >> um you know and one of the things that's different this year is that you guys know we went to war this summer
033>> when Keep playing. anything Sometimes we don't necessarily just look at the number for my age and look at the money behind it. >> But um yeah, we we try to get people to have that comfort that you're talking about. And and a final point I want to make is the short staff. >> They sometimes encourage people to take shortcuts to be more efficient, >> especially within with things like if you're missing a safety mask or something like that. If you lock in, lock out, tag in, take out might not bother to put the tag in, start doing the work, nobody in the building, but somebody comes in and then you're last time, >> then you're in trouble. >> You got to always take the extra time to do especially get close to retirement. I
034want everybody to make it to retirement or show their retirement teams. >> I agree. When we talk about repetitive motion, that becomes the rub. So, if you're doing a lot of repetitive motion and you don't have enough break, you're not giving your body a chance to be in a natural position. That's where these injuries that you start to see. So, you know, we don't really take a stance on that, but I mean, I'm just saying like the reality is the reality, especially when you're working in an awkward position in some jobs just require the toe the ceiling, right? I mean listen it just requires being in an unnatural horrible position but yet the job still has to get done right so we try to look at those civic jobs people do and say is there
035an ergonomic way that we can kind of avoid some injury there you bring up some great points >> and last point that's not your question safety is everybody's responsibility all throughout all that if it's not your title you see a safety issue >> let us know so to the point of of looking at everything there was a job title called janiress Right. Um, and the job title had we're missing pieces of the normal workday within that job title. So, for instance, like tossing trash into a dumpster. So, we started looking at data and looking at how we're going to make sure that our folks come into a safe environment. We realized that we needed to make a shift. So as now janitor lead we're back filling them with maintainers which is in the same union
036same uh same I believe but now it has that activity in because what was happening was that because the janitors couldn't do no trash other employees had to pick that up along with their own so now that became a repetitive issue for us so we started looking at that we look at every single angle when it comes to it you know and you know thank you to Jeremy we appreciate the the collaboration and the leadership on making sure our folks Yeah, home safely every day. >> Absolutely. >> I think it's Thank you. Thank you. So again to my colleague's thing, I'm in the bus in industry for over 20 plus years, 26 years. So safety is sixletter word, 7-day job. It's for everybody like you said. Um you mentioned something specific and I love trainings
037and I love all this stuff, but I wanted to hear from you and or George. Um the one that you misses and the reporting of it and the training. Is there any training and how much time in this training that we do in our district is being geared towards the misses reporting because I know how important that is being a union president nor transit and all that. So you know what how much time is being penguin when it comes to that. Honestly, it's newer from being straight or two. You know, I I I I I'm just here a year now. I've been here a year October. So, now that I'm coming into my second year, it's become one of the biggest things that I'm coaching is to your point, the near misses. So, talking to
038leaders now this like when we go to a safety committee meeting like this monthly, we can talk to our staff. Hey, are you getting near misses? But to your point, how is that being relayed? You know what I mean? Like how they in common? They don't know what a near miss could be and all that stuff. And I rather have over reporting than under reporting because then you could identify and train on how to Oh, you know what? >> So the next time I get in front of your staff because we did a bunch of training all all summer so that uh last summer so I'm going to hammer that point again. Near misses is the hardest thing. People sometimes don't even think about it as a near miss. They almost like tell it at
039a cocktail hour. You know what I mean? And it's kind of like, oh, I didn't realize that was a near miss. So to your point, I think adding, you know, an extra maybe 15 minutes to a presentation on the importance of near misses will be incredibly impactful. >> Oh, definitely. If we're not, then we're missing we're missing we're having a mess. >> I would agree. You know, I like your statement when you talked about, you know, stripping floors and you were like, you know, >> you get complacent, you put your headphones on and that could be >> I've been doing it for 10 years and I never fell. Why would I fall today? >> I mean, that's and that's the reality and that's the data. I just wanted to think because I know the key
040word for me this is all workers comp related >> but there's dollar amounts that are here and the two accidents is one of them the accident part the motor vehicle those are accidents >> yep >> 294,000 >> that's for the accident or that's the worker's comp I don't want nobody sh like wait you pay that much money no >> no no that's the injuries that were stayed in the accident which is significant. I mean that's for three accidents, you know, that's, you know, that's significant. But yeah, >> three, I say two. >> That's fine. Um, yeah, because I know the numbers can't you can't compare the data to the numbers like you said, you know, 2021 24 claims, 16,000, but then you only have 11 claims in 2025, >> right? >> Or let's say even
0412024, 24,000, and then it jumped to 35. it, you know, you can't >> I can tell you it's great. >> Correct. So, in another in another municipality, we had an issue with somebody a slip, trip, and fall issue, somebody bus related. That one injury, a slip and fall on a school field trip was a $52,000 injury. That one slip and fall injury. So, I mean, that's how sometimes you look at these numbers, you're like, $39,000. You don't know. I mean, if somebody went down broke the clavicle, you know, like you're talking surgery, you're talking So, I'm glad that you brought that up. Sometimes it's hard for us to, you know, put a dollar amount on each injury because some things don't cost you very much. Sometimes we look at them and something cost $540 bucks
042and then something else cost $74,000 and you're scratching your head. How did that how did that happen? You know what I mean? So, and another one to the point of the staffing, you know, I had a situation that I had to work through. You know, mechanic went out there, went to the job site, went to work on something, pothole, bro, tripped his ankle. They were like, "Oh, we don't have nobody else to cover you. You go up in there." So, he healed, broken, then they had re-break it. Then they had it just because I know we're short staff. So, it's just like we want to make sure that we take care of our people and and make sure that even if we're short staff, we got to make sure that our our our staff and
043I know I don't want it didn't happen in our district. It's not school related, more bus related, but it's just it's a huge concern because we can't afford to have anybody out, but at the same time, we got to make sure that they're being take care. had a supervisor that had a trip and fall. The low machine plumbing slow came down and hit him. He fell. He didn't want to get checked out. >> Behold, a week or two later, he just fainted because his equilibrium was messed up. He fell down. Now he had a thing. Now his you said it about your life is your quality of life is gone down the drain. You retire. Same thing. >> Today quality of life. So we want to make sure that we think and continue reporting. We
044want to know how we fix some of the things to make sure we have staff. But uh but make sure that the training gets up. I'd rather pay more than training and make sure that they don't get hurt than not have it. So >> make sure we don't >> our training is is is part of the the billable hours that the city buys from us anyway. So and that's the big thing that I pushed. It's already paid for. So >> use it. It's free. So trust me, we're losing. >> It's so funny. So people always push back when they say it's free because the city already paid for. [laughter] >> Well, I mean that I try to push myself out there as much as I can because the hours are there for the for the
045user. All night I would say hit me up because we hours down. We got this question. >> Thank you very much, >> Mr. Jbert. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. I I had no specific questions for this report. I just uh not it hasn't happened in the last 10 minutes, but we were having a a some sort of technical problem. There was an a a reverb or feedback on somebody's mic. Uh >> yeah, >> we got >> uh Sam's working was working on something. >> Okay, thank you. That's all I wanted to comment was >> trouble. It sounded like somebody was talking over somebody, but I realized it was feedback or reverb on somebody's mic. It didn't happen with George. It didn't happen with Willie or Joe. It's not happening with the presenter. It was happening
046when Albert was asking questions and it was happening earlier when George and >> I'll leave. >> I think maybe Sam fixed it. Thank you. >> Thank you for presenting and I'll do some more questions for Mr. Garcia. So >> thank you for having everybody. Pleasure. That was very good. >> Drive safe. >> Thank you. I know we covered and things the great work that we did at that school that we had that situation we had created all that stuff but everything that we were talking about together it was building building building so this is also being assessed as a campus also >> yes we're looking at interior exterior making sure that there aren't any hazards um for instance you know uh we had gotten a report on some concrete issues one at re school from
047the principal that has been addressed report concrete yesterday I Yeah, I think we poured concrete yesterday, so that's been alleviated. There was another concern of some uh spoiling concrete over at Fair Wheeler. We cut that out. That's been poured. So, we're constantly looking at our exteriors, interiors. That's part of what we expect our ecosians to expect. We have the digital inspections they do every day, so we're able to get a a good feel for what's going on on a day-to-day basis. >> Thank you. I'll share some things later. >> Thank you. All right, thanks. Move on to an update on the facility master plan. >> So, this will be real fast and easy. Um, we uh have finalized facilities master plan. There were some minor things that needed to be updated. Um, you guys will
048be receiving a hard copy next week. Um, I'd like to put that on for a robust discussion next facilities committee meeting. uh just want you guys to have the finalized draft in order to go through in order to have a a good conversation about >> is it another >> it's going to be a big one. Um it's a big >> but it has everything you know it has all the data that we need to start making decisions in parallel. My team has already started working on recommendations and building things out. So we have dollar um dollar amounts and you know the past so you guys can see everything um in terms of of recommendations and everything else. Well, we're excited to have a conversation. >> Mr. Driver. >> Yes. I'm uh this is for the
049next facilities meeting and it's an update that would include what what are we updating? Um well I think it's going to be the conversation of the master plan itself. I think uh you know as a group uh we should start going through the recommendations um if there's any specific concerns within um the plan itself as you guys look at it myself and PJ will be here along with my team and PJ's team to answer any questions on the demographic side on the condition assessment side or the recommendation side. But we want you guys to really go through it now that you have the finalized copy or you're going to receive the finalized copy next week. >> Okay. So, I guess what I wanted to I I guess the part that I'm getting at is I
050have asked to be referred to this committee uh that we get to uh the developing a a proper community assessment of the prek8 east side school. Uh would that be part of >> that'll be part of that >> that will be part of that meeting. Uh we'll have everything sort of laid out in terms of site plan, budgeting, all of that. We can give you a snapshot of what that's going to look like, what that would cost, and what we'll need to do to make that happen. >> Okay. >> So, a complete process analysis will be done and presented. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. So, we'll move on to um update on the naming of I I think for the most part for this one um I was just wondering if we're going to
051be on a timeline for um for their opening for the basketball season um in terms of having something. >> I haven't been given any direction on what I should do for how we're going to fund. Um, so what are what what would you guys like to do so we can start to spec out exactly what that's going to what that's going to cost, what that's going to look like. I don't know if there's any money left in the school construction program. I'm waiting on a finalized report with all the change. I just need to know scale of what >> is something that we can um ask Mr. Terry about to see if there's any in the school committee. >> So uh we can do that for the next school building committee. >> This week? Next
052week? Right. >> Next week. Yeah. the week after. >> It's next week. It's not this Thursday, is it? >> It's coming up. >> Make sure [clears throat] it's not tomorrow. >> No, it's definitely up. I think it's the second or third. Um, um, so I think we should see what if they have money. >> Yep. So, we can bring that school building and then we can circle back. >> I personally I would like to see um something bigger than just a name plate on the door. something where they can actually know that they're walking into a gym they in his honor. >> Um what they did at Barry uh for central Barry McLaw they put it on the court itself something like that so there's consistency across the district. Um what I can do in
053advance is um we'll get a proposal estimate >> if you get like a Yep. >> Yes. Um >> Mr. Woodson do you have any questions? No worries. >> No questions for me, Miss Perez. Thank you. >> When does basketball season start? >> I believe it's basketball season starts >> um >> in mid December. >> I'm in the second week or something, but I'll get that detail for you. >> Right. Yeah. Thank you. Um cuz the only impediment to getting this done is basically us. >> Yeah. because it it was the ball was dropped somewhere in the construction because we did vote unan it was unanimous vote I believe to name the gym after yeah the yeah and it just never got integrated into the plan when they were building the building so the walls on
054the very least at the beginning if money is an issue or whatever have you at the very least it would probably be the laid in the inter while we come up with finding more to give Phil of Loftton a doubt respecting the terms. >> Yeah. >> In his naming. >> Let me let me look at options for you guys. Um let me get some options before school building. Um you both you and Mr. Ben are in school building. I'll circulate that to you guys. >> Today's the 20th. >> We got calendar. >> All right. Perfect. So let me uh let me work on that. >> Dr. Avery side is too tall. >> I I just want to emphasize I know this is a the a passionate thing for this community and for I know the
055board. We will do what we have to do to make sure this is a very nice you know um memorial for you know um for the family and you know for him and hiring him and what he provided for this district for all the number of years. So we will do what we got to do to make it right. I know there's a there's some things with some timing and all of that kind of good stuff, but I think this is something that we, you know, I know for me, I'm going to really push, you know, the the envelope a little bit to kind of make this happen. The basketball season does start, you know, I think, you know, early December. Uh, so we don't have a lot of time to to make it come
056together, but I think George, you and I, we can kind of figure out exactly how to maneuver this and make it come together. I think we can we can my goal is to have it ready to go and have a a grand ceremony um hopefully the first home game of the season. Uh and then we can have that dedication, you know, a little before that game starts, but it needs to be a grande thing. And so I think we can make it come together. Uh and I know that the board will support me on that as well. I think it just needs to happen. So we we'll do what we got to do. And George, we can circle back tomorrow on the details. >> I already sent a text. >> All right. Thanks sir. >>
057I definitely want to like just emphasize like giving, you know, Bassic some, you know, something good. You know, they have a new building obviously, but um I know a lot of bassic uh either lum or even students think of themselves as like the stepchild of of the city like they they're always looked upon as after party and they get like the leftovers. So that's the feedback I got from the community members. Yeah. So, um definitely want to like give them something to look forward to which is um you know just to add on to like this great year that they already started with. >> Absolutely. >> Interesting. They're waiting for this. They wait. >> So, the good thing is that because we're doing a central renovation of the gym floor that was coming apart. We
058have someone right now painting that gym floor. So, I'm going to get the quote. >> Yeah. in one person. >> One person. >> No, no, it's outside. Forget about it. [snorts] >> Uh, Mr. Chber. >> Yeah. I I was about to say something very similar to what I think Dr. Avery is saying, which is I I I I would be surprised if we can get it done to the degree that's happening at Central, given that it's been shut down at Central, but if we can, that'd be great. But at the very least, we can indicate what we're going to do there before the opening game with some sort of nice ceremony. Um, and you know, be clear about what what our intention is um with the family, with with the board, with the community. Um,
059and I think do it right. Um uh it's a shame that we didn't as Joe commented, but it it it certainly we can we can we can we can do it right before the first home game um at the start of the season uh and and and make clear what our intention is. >> Yes. >> Oh, Mr. Medina. >> No, I agree with Mr. Trey and that's what I was thinking. And I just scroll down even if we, you know, especially for the opening day, you know, that big huge announcement of where they're entering for the very first time. That's where they're entering is that new uh basketball, the new season. And we, you know, we can plan an unveiling of the thing later, but at least a nice huge banner, something just promoting what
060that gem is that first day. We can't miss that opportunity on that first day of that game. Um, and then, you know, let everybody know exactly our plans that we're gonna have an availing of the official whatever we decide to do on XML day during the season. You know, even if it's like homecoming day or or senior night or something to do something grand [clears throat] folks now, you got my word on that one. >> And just one last one last comment on that. Um, Dr. if we can get like um I don't know if it's our athletic director or comps team or something to get the notice out sooner than a week before uh they they want notice they they want to be there. Um so if we we can get them, >> you
061know, a notice out whatever like a month before the game starts. That way they can start filling the stadium, you know, stadium. You hear me? Um but [laughter] >> knowing that they they'll crack the house that day, >> you know. Yeah, we we can do a hold the date and get it out there because we know the date of the first game so we can get that date and kind of keep it out in front of everybody so we can make a make sure that people will show up. Well, they'll show up anyway, but I think just to hold that date would be good. So, >> it will show up. Trust me, they're >> building. >> All right. Thank you. Um so then the last would be the bass decommissioning. >> So um this one
062will be fairly quick. Also we're still in the middle of decommissioning. Um we have gone through the auction. So a lot of things have been auctioned in the building. These auctions don't generate a lot of revenue but what they do generate is activity to get things out of the building that we won't have to fund to get out of the building. So, um, we raised a little bit north of $15,000. Um, but a good amount of the stuff in the building is out of the building. So, um, they're currently working through that. There's still some items that have to be picked up. We've assigned a manager to make sure that that stuff is happening smoothly. Um, once that is complete, we'll do another reassessment of the entire building. Anything of value, we will look to
063donate. Um, we'll put that out to, you know, anyone that would like to come in and uh and and and take that or charter schools, paroial schools, what have you. Um, you know, we'll start putting that out once we're done with our auction, but there's not going to be many items, which is a good thing. We reduced the cost of what it would take for us to purge the building dramatically. Um, outside of that, we've done some analysis in terms of carrying costs and what it would take to if we wanted to hold the building because I know that's been a portion of the conversation. With that said, Mike's done some numbers that he can share. Um, but once again, this is one of those that's still evolving. Um, you know, we're still in the
064midst of decommissioning. Um, so I think that, you know, on the on the next facilities committee, I would love to just take facilities master plan and and and BASIC and have a robust conversation around those because we're still in the midst of everything and we don't have a clear picture yet on, you know, when we can get out. We know that if we're going to turn the building over, we like to do it sooner or later. So Mike, if you could share some of the numbers, carrying costs and things like that because we [clears throat] are experiencing the new bills from the new bass and Mike, maybe you start with those numbers. >> Oh, all right. The new bassic, we only have two months of bills. So the electric bills obviously have the air conditioning
065load, which is about $20,000 a month just for the air conditioning. And the natural gas bills are uh minuscule at $2,000 a month because it's only for the hot water. So, but overall we're probably looking at $600,000 a year in utilities for new bass. >> 600 >> about 600,000 >> 600,000 >> versus >> that's just a very rough estimate because we only have two months of bills that we've received >> for the 2,000 in the natural gas. Will that increase in the winter? >> Absolutely. I knew it was like >> that's just to make order for people to wash their hands and the kitchen. >> All right. >> 600,000 compared to I think you're going to get there, right? Those efforts. >> Um well, what I hold up for old bassic, call it old bassic.
066Um the last 12 months, so a few of the months are basically while it was unoccupied. Okay, >> we're at $426,000 in utilities. So, they, you know, those utilities will continue to go down somewhat. It also depends whether we're going to try to how long we're going to maintain it. We're going to give it to the city when and if we're going to going to try to provide heat in it all winter, >> which we're going to have to for several reasons. So, if we're going to hang on to this, we're carrying this building. Uh we're carrying the cost of uh heat, of security, of a custodial person because currently we have to have someone in the building. Um because the other flip side to that is that there's been two breakins already. There's been
067several attempts. There's primarks on doors. Folks are dying to get into this building to do what they did in Hardy. >> We are hanging tight to not let that happen. We've worked with the police department to ensure that there's additional patrols and that when they're doing paperwork, it's done in the parking lot. You know, we've got a custodial member that's there all day patrolling them. It's not a safe environment for one person. We just do not have the wherewithal or the staff to be able to add to that. You know, we got shortages in security. We got shortages of custodial staff. So, we're really stretched in. Um, you know, I think when this is all said and done, we still have to look at everything as a whole now that we're getting through the process,
068but as we wind the process down, I think our recommendation is going to be to turn this back over just because it's it's going to be too much to carry. When you think of the new bassic and and the cost there alone, we need to make sure that our dollars spent strategically and turning the old basic back is probably the best case. There's no program that would be worth carrying that kind of cost. And then on the mechanical side of it, we've got our issues like currently right now when the heat is on, it's blasting, right? So there's no control over these things. The environmental piece of it, uh, you know, we've been holding things down with with with duct tape and glue to get to our new building because we didn't want to spend
069the remedial dollars, right? So we kept everything safe. But as things sit, they get worse. Um, so you know there's a lot of cost there and even from the facilities management plan end of it you know you're talking you know priority one needs like things that need to happen immediately $21 million priority two I mean and and part of that is $8.5 million of that is envir is environmental so you know and we need to get into mechanicals because total mechanicals is $16 million so we're talking about the kind of money that does not make sense for us to carry this building um I think there better uses for the building. Um, I just don't think it's with us. But once again, let us get through the process that you guys commissioned us to to
070get through and then let us bring to you all of the facts and data. We just wanted to give you a snapshot because I know there's been some questions around Basset. Um, and we wanted to just inform you of where we are in the direction that this is going in. >> Okay. How much to hold that building is right now to to you know >> to keep it going. We're talking just in utilities. Um you know for the year $400,000 >> and that's just utilities. >> That's just utilities staff you're talking about, you know, with with Benny's talking 60 plus,000, right? And then it's not safe to have one person there. >> Um you know, and then what happens when we do get the breaking, right? Because it's gone. and we've already had a breakin
071with when they've gotten into the building. We got police reports and the whole in the whole, you know, we we keep all the records of everything that's going on, but the prime marks all over the place. Um, you know, we see folks are trying to get in, you know, so what we've got going now is we have managers cycling through throughout the day, right, to to help with presence and to make sure that our staff member that's in here is safe. And the police department has been great at helping the south along with trying to keep patrol here, but it's just a matter of time, you know, and we don't want to be we don't want to get to a point where we're handing this building over butchered, right? Let them secure the building. Let
072them spend the funds that are needed to secure the building. And, you know, let's focus our resources in a better way. >> And they have the alarms. >> Alarm is still on, so we're paying for that. Cameras are still on. We're paying for that. you know, uh, the car that's separate. >> That's another $50,000 a year. >> It's not a way we can give it to him. [laughter] >> Same because, >> you know, strategically, we want to we want to turn this over before the winter really hits hard, right? >> Um, with the We don't want to go staff there because we know that the the the the building has it issues with steam, heat, and everything else. >> And I know the bowlers always have problems. Something happened. So if something happened one of
073the boilers so you had to fix it. >> Yes. >> See it and cost more money. >> Yes >> I know that because I know that building had problem with boilers. I >> listen this is my nightmare. I want to make you >> not want to be able to sleep. I had a hard time sleeping. They must go on [clears throat] these buildings. This is one of those um you know I think the city may be in line to be able to to button it up in a better way than we we can. And then if there's a developer something that they can turn us over to it's beneficial to everyone the taxpayer us city I mean it's just the building is just too large for us this point. No, the point is sorry the
074point is that spending more that 400 you know the money you say spending more security you know the custodian um on somebody break something broke I know it's not it's it's for me it's wasting money that when we can use oh something else then you know so >> total investment needed on a building based on the FCA was 82.4 formulated. >> We're building new schools for that. >> Um the telescope, [clears throat] >> we're we're working on a deal with Discovery uh to be able to take it and they're going to have it on some kind of a a road show as part of their programming that they do with schools and everything else. >> And the the Rock >> the Rock is currently at the new site. >> Um we're going we've I believe
075we identified an area. We're just waiting on some details because one of the things that I did ask and I was able to get new construction at the new bassic is uh at one point they were told not to add bike racks. So I bought we had 28 bikes on site chain to everything. So what I did was out of our operating we bought six bike six bike racks. When we got out there, there was nowhere to affix them to because we had the permeable pavement because of the, you know, we needed to add that as part of the features with the other side. So, we're able to work with construction. They're going to have someone come and put the pad on for us and then we will affix the bikes racks, the bike racks
076that we purchase. >> Basically, we're always dancing and rush. >> Um, I know when I went to school um last night, they has still have some antiques. Let's see. I know they've moved some plaques and I know they have some lamp there from 1929. Do you configure you? >> Some of those things were auctioned. >> Okay. >> Um, you know, we had reserve some things, but you know, there's only so much we can we can house. You guys know, you've been through our facility. We got the history of Bridgeport Public Schools at our facility. >> We still have the the big >> we have the belt, you know, and it's one day we're going to get it back to Columbus. >> We're running out of space right now. Um, but you know, all of the
077major artifacts and and and and things like that are in the new bassic as you guys see. They're still adding some of the things that are still bossed. I know that um Dr. has someone assigned to that. So, you know, we're we're making sure that the history of Bassic is intact. >> Remember last time you said you're going to try to see the big line next to the gym, the big line? >> We're looking at it. I don't think we're going to be able to take that off without damaging it. >> I know. >> Yeah. I'm quite sure it's glued to the wall. >> Yeah. and I I see it yesterday went to make the vote and have a division in the middle. >> Yeah, we we sort of pulled it a little bit. It
078didn't go well. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Madam Chair. >> Um Mr. Woodson, any questions? >> No, I'm good. Thank you, >> Mr. Coll. A couple times first. Um when we Oh, no. Let's start with questions. What what's the spread between uh last two months of bass compared to last year's costs for operating the old basic it says $400,000 the first two months. So that would be no last >> the last 12 months. >> Last 12 months rolling rolling 12 we rolling the prior rolling 12. >> No, but we only got two months of data on the new best. Yeah, two months. So the last I mean I don't know if we get the bills the same way they say usage this month and I have to tell you how I use November last year
079and November this year October >> our bills don't come that way or old B >> I'm more interested in seeing the the um impact on operating budget between old basket and new bass. So >> yeah I did not hold the previous ones or compare them >> that's going to be impactful. Okay. My next question. >> We can have that for our next [clears throat] meeting for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Can Yeah. Probably better probably be better on finance, Madam Chair, that piece because that's impact that's more of the impact of the operating budget for next year to keep in mind that we're going to need x amount of more money just for the increased opportunity. Now, >> the auction probably another finance question. Where is that $15,000 accounted for? or is it accounted for in
080the last budget or is this gravy that could possibly be used to offset some of the funding for the naming? >> Well, well, I think >> without affecting operating. >> So, so one of the things that we we figured without touching the operating budgets and fine dollars is that whatever the auction was, we look to finish the decommissioning. If there's anything left, we're more than willing, but we already have a $7,000 bill to get rid of chemicals. So that's half the money there. So I think that once we start to have to finish the process of decommissioning, that'll be gobbled up and having to do different things to get that building to a point where we gain the >> Okay. And right now I don't think we have enough enough information to make an intelligent
081decision as far far as the disposition of the old basic versus anything because we still haven't really thoroughly reviewed and compared and contrasted anything on a facility masters pan as a board. And as you know it took quite a while to find a space big enough to build the new basket in the beginning and we just found two back to back. If we have to go look for a new school, they're not building any more lands and Bridgeport seems to be gentrifying right now. So land is only going to get more expensive to acquire and property more expensive to acquire for the city. Now we gave up the old Harding. We were full circle. It stayed empty for 10 years. The city couldn't unload it. It's back. So we really we really need to look
082at how it fits into the facilities master plan >> if at all versus the operating cost versus the cost of purchasing a new property. And also take into consideration we don't really have a swing space large enough for some of the projects set up on the facilities master plan. So to that point, um that's why we feel that the facilities master plan and bassic need to happen on one evening >> because the synergies of it all, they sort of align and to your point, we want to be able to lay that all out for you. So um you know, how the um swing space will be utilized to build out the district. Um you know, the cost impacts of trying to carry the building and what the total cost would be. Um we'll be able
083to lay that all out for you guys. So, you know, one of the one of the things you'll find in the facilities basket plan is all of the data on the on the the old bass for you guys to review. So, we want you guys to sort of dig into to some of this data. So, when we come back, you have a host of questions that we'll be able to answer on that evening and we will lay everything down for you in terms of how this all will interact in that ecosystem. >> And also final point, we're thinking of when we're discussing basic like we're discussing one thing. Basic is really two buildings. If we diagnosing would have to be just looked at maybe one part of the building's embedded >> they can't be separated.
084>> They cannot boil plants are in the old building and the steam pipes run through the whole entire camp underground. >> This is the nightmare. We had we had a flood right steam issue flooded spaces. Everything's in tunnels and we did have the technical assistance team come out. They wanted to take a look at it to see if there was any value to be able to do anything else there. Um, you know, I think >> so it's one build. So it's one basically >> it's it's one to build it >> that meant to buy bridges and Yeah. >> No, Mr. Ch. >> Yeah. Let let me start with that last comment. Um, there's no way to keep the front building and and separate tear down the back one. >> Um, I think it'd be a
085sin to tear down the back building because it's probably one of the most beautiful buildings in Bridgeport. >> Maybe I got it backwards. So, maybe I got historical. >> You got to keep the historical building or I mean just to me I think that's the gem. Um the the issue is boiler plant. It is an old building. Um it's in dire need of a complete refresh. Mechanicals for the building are 16 million. So even if you took that and in and in a percentage of just that building, you're probably talking 10 million 11 12 million because that's where boilers are. Um I just don't know how we would be able to fund it, right? Because we have so many other needs throughout the district. Um, and that's why I want to have that facilities master
086plan alongside this conversation because I think you guys will see how we can elegantly start to rebuild the Bridgeport School District and sort of pass some of the things that need to be passed on to the city so they can do what they have to do. But we need new buildings, you know, we need 21st century education. We need to close the gap at educational disparity. So, we'll discuss that at the next meeting next month >> for sure. >> And you're saying I'm not trying to hold you this exact number. I I just heard you say, if I understood you correctly, 10 million to renovate that building. >> Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about just the just just the mechanical component of that building. >> Yes. Yes. >> Right. So within
087the facilities master plan and you guys are going to have this document within that it's $16 million just for the mechanicals of the entire building. What I was saying that if we're going to chop off that front building and just keep the rear building if I had to throw a number at that you're talking the bank into 10 to 12 million because that's where the boiler plant is. But you're talking about environmental um you're talking about electrical work. Um I [clears throat] mean the list goes on. The total list is 82 million. So even if we cut that in half, that's $40 million. I'm building you a new building at a percentage of that cost, you know. >> Okay. So, we'll have an idea of that though next month. >> Absolutely. I will lay it
088all off for you guys. >> Okay. Because I would like to have that discussion as part of this. I mean, I actually, it was amazing yesterday at the election. I had several people raise that issue with me. Um, and it's worth discussing. Um, I'm not saying that it's it's it's the right thing to do. I'm just saying it's worth having that discussion um with the knowledge that you just laid out, with the facts that you just laid out. >> Absolutely. I think I think I think think everything needs to be discussed and everything is on the table and I don't and no matter what kind of time we have to put in the team's willing to put the time in and we've already started so you know we want to make sure that you guys
089are comfortable and understand um and that the decisions are made back uh based on the facts and the data you know and finally through this facilities master plan we have the facts and the data to guide us for the next 10 years and we're excited to have that conversation with you all. >> Yeah. No, I I I understand. And and and people are looking at at that that that those buildings that building and whether or not it can be reused constructively uh by us u versus the city and how it might be used constructively. I've also heard people talking about their thoughts for how the city might use it constructively in those discussions I had yesterday. So it it it you know it's out there and so we should we should start that discussion ourselves
090and then it's going to continue. So I look forward to it have next months. Thank you madam chair. >> Mr. Um please when you say all this number you know to fix that you know let's put fix the the the building everything we spend that money I want my professional I want the home school graders I want the art I want the gym I want sport I want you going to spend money we spend the money what we need not the building that we know and the history is beautiful it's nice let's keep forward that's what the reason we spend what 12 $129 million and beautiful high schools and it's nice I would love If I would have the money, trust me, we have we the state, let's put it with the state giving you
091the money. Okay, fix it. But we don't have it, you know, and the last thing I want to fix something that that's the reason we have a new B high school and spend on time. Look at right now we spend it and we don't use the building, you know, how much money. No, let's have our people what we need, you know, earn things, you know, as I said, five professional, the home school cleaner, the sport, gym, all the stuff. what we need we cut you know not to spend something in building that is history and it's forward and now we all know we doing this the new B for our school like you said new century and we need more school thank you any further questions comments we'll get a we'll have a >> next
092month um to um further detail yeah Mr. Chamber. >> Yeah. I I I I think the only question is I know that for decades that that that one of the problems with with building schools was finding a place to build them. You know, I I know I I remember having these arguments with Ed Gomes and Bob Walsh when they were on the building committee. Um and so there is now this piece of land. The question is, are the buildings worth renovating? Is the land worth using? Um, you know, those questions are worth asking while we're here. Uh, one of the ironies that Mr. Skullik referred to short a while ago was is that the piece of land that was Harding High School that we gave up and we all thought was going to be used
093uh by the city to bargain with Bridgeport Hospital. ended up not being used by the city to bargain with the Bridgeport Hospital and is now back on our plans possibly to build a new prek to 8 school in the east end. Um and um uh you know is this a piece of land that we can use either to renovate a building, not two buildings. I know we just had this discussion about whether it's one or two um but a building or is it a piece of land that we can use to uh do something with in the master plan facilities master plan um and that's sort of what we're looking at or is it a piece of land that we turn over. One of the problems with always with the buildings committee was finding a
094piece of clean land in a polluted city. Um, and so it is a piece of clean land. Now, that's also a problem for affordable housing and all kinds of other things, but finding clean land in a in a city where industrial pollution is a a huge problem, that's a clean piece of clean land. So, it is something that we can talk about next month. I I look forward to the discussion, but it is a valuable piece of land. >> I also think that well to that point, if you look at the facility master plan, the next buildings wouldn't even be in that location. We would need like if if we follow facility master plan, which is the the blueprint, right? You know, you have the east side building, you have um Park City, you have
095JFK. Nothing really is in that West End area. We we might have >> it would probably closer like Bryant or something, but the the bigger plans are in different districts anyways. And if you decide, well, well, let's just instead of doing JFK, we put it where Bassic is, you're you're end up the district or I'm making us pull up here, but like I think it's a lot to think of like that than just that piece of land where the population is going down. Anyways, >> and Carry >> for the demographics >> and carry out is a prime property also. >> It's got a big lot. There's opportunity there, >> you know. Um, so I I'm excited to have the conversation. >> We'll have a good discussion. >> I mean, you know, we've worked on this
096thing for so long now to just finally start to dig in. You know, I think you guys are going to are going to be happy with some of the recommendations and how we can sort of work through this. >> Black one is also on that list. So we have to a lot of different >> maybe can't hold on to this but we'll see >> we we appreciate all that you do. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. So with that is said is there a motion to adjourn? >> So move. >> I'll second it. All in favor say I. I. I. We're jouring at 658. Good night. >> Good night.