Rock Hills School Board Meeting 2/25/25

001okay 8 o'clock so we'll get started have just one item on the agenda today and then some executive sessions I believe at least one executive session uh so we will talk about some facilities um I said I before we get into this one um when we talked about the the um oh last Oiler uh retubing of that and I took that out the bid had a bunch of people come out and look at it and I've got multiple companies that feel like couple of things one with the way the system set up the high efficiency tubes with the temperature they have to run it through our pipes basically negates the high efficiency meat um I got that from two of the companies that you're really not to pay the extra for the high efficiency um

002you're not going to get that reun when you're running them on low efficiency settings right um and so I also then reached out to all of them as a secondary RFP and I'm waiting to get some the rest of them in because I changed it up Midway I told you another week but just to give us a quote for just retubing it um because I guess the reason I went that direction is because we talked about the high efficiency if we decide that we're going to do something different with the hbac at the high school that hopefully that we could take those and just use have those backups for the elementary if they're not the same BTUs they're not interchangeable and I've also found out that so much of that is electronic that if they're

003more than three or four years apart in age there's really not much compatibility either so so rubing to the original way it was just didn't we originally didn't we have a bid for that yeah yes remind me what that was from the one company it was I want to say 28,000 and is the issue we had the other day is that relative to that issue or Reet tuing the cause of the down the other day um I think it's multiple reasons okay um I'm saying if it was retubed with that problem service yes and so one of the companies doesn't sell new products they're basically a Service Company they came in and looked at all of that and that was the one where he basically said that he thinks that there's a way that you

004can go in have a welder come in and fix any areas and do it for less than $10,000 and will run for at least another 10 years in his opinion um but they also gave us quotes for for all of the other um so I guess I just want to get all that out because that's also part of the discussion facilities is is knowing that the high efficiency won't be compatible with the elementary there's really not a need in my opinion to throw that much into it if we're going to be vacating the the two pipe system in a couple years three years whatever so when I get all that information back I'll have that by the March meeting but to me 20 grand or 30 grand whatever it is YouTube and get them for

005there sufficient to run for a while or maybe there's a cheaper option is going to look really cheap if it goes down we have to bring an outside boiler system in and rent it for a week or two if some other problem exists so I you know I think we gota doesn't seem that unreasonable to me I just feel like that we need to that needs to be part of the discussion too and so I'll bring that back in in March with solid numbers on which way to go I'm not a fan of Band-Aids but I mean not any decision we make around the boiler is not gonna it's it's GNA have to be in effect before next winter 100% right because we're not going to have whatever HVAC system we decide correct so when

006I say Band-Aid a two to five year bandaid not a another so anyway I I'll get all that back but I after I set up to RFP for the re2 or I mean to change those out for the high efficiency I also asked them for a secondary quote for just the ring and then we'll look at that to have you talked to Allan and those guys about that because I know they they kind of were the ones recommending maybe that we after the the ones that we might be able to swap later on but so they know what why we're suddenly changing our decision on what we're doing they've been involved because technically when those companies have come Allen's kind of walked through the the boiler room and everything with them and um so they've

007talked with that and then once they're done with Allen Allan sends them down to me to try to give me the same information and then I okay the one guy I said can you put that like in non- mechanical verbage for me to that little bit here but but I I appreciated that there were some a couple companies that weren't just trying to sell us the next best thing they were just they're understanding that hey we think we can maintenance this and get you buy what you need so any to spend 150,000 when 30,000 will take care of it so get it below the $20,000 threshold need St us just hav fix it I'm fine if you wanted to P back but I'm saying if the one company and when they talked about coming in

008and they said that they could go in and clean it out if there's any U welds that need to be fixed or whatever he thought it'd be less than 10 and he said that if he were to do that you have to you have to drain the p and so I brought that up and I said well I know in the past that there's been a concern about pipes you know and he said yes or no he said the only pipe typically the only thing he's heard of is the pipes that do that are any of the PVC plastic pipes when they're drained the glue and stuff dries out comes back through and you get leaks he said he's never seen a steel pipe Do It um but while he had it down he would

009have the state inspector come make sure everything is done and so have it open up for them to see and do it the right way so I just I have that that nagging suspicion we've seen what happened when they they didn't even want to cut open any pipes to look at what how the interior actually was and like if they drain it and then they repressurize it is that going to blow pin holes or whatnot in the I and not joints like joints I'm not worried about it's the and that's fair but I think any work that we get done any is going to require that to get drained so but I I'll bring back a lot more information on that too I just I haven't got all the information back yet for making this

010this based on what happened this weekend like the urgency component right like we were I all I know all I got was like all the rest of you the text message that it's down and it was Z degrees out and no and yeah fortunately it was a Friday and it was that Saturday and it was getting ready getting ready to warm up the next week but if it was it was 5 days earlier to that yeah that been bad what's our contingency plan I'm not asking that to answer that question now but this seems more at that time this seemed very urgent Bron as far as bids I can tell you that if it's an emergency something that's normally co could be covered by insurance we don't we we don't have to bid yeah if

011it's not an emergency emergency gets you by the bid laws exactly as long as something covered by could be cover days Dees same same plan for when the air conditioning goes down on it's 110 probably there's no school why some of these things need to get fixed and and I I've hesitated to talk to the community talk about renting the community center to have put a couple kids in different places using the city building put kids in areas of the the court I mean but those are options because there's nowhere else to go the churches aren't big enough so we don't we we don't have an alternative way to like I know we can you can bring in outside you can bring in portable chillers I didn't know if you could do same thing boyf

012for that as not and if we haven't looked into that spot I'm not asking I'm just saying has that ever been a discussion okay yeah all right okay sorry that's fine is you have other other things of what we currently have before we start talking about future things no I mean even talking with Allan that that we'll we'll discuss more of those individual companies later but couple of them seemed more genuine about hey and offered to teach him everything he needs to know about the system um and one of them came up and they're looking at the temperatures through the pipes and there's condensation in the in the in that room and they said well you're running at 120 or 125 degrees if it's up let's bump it to 130 did that in the con

013went away so they kind of know a little bit more about those older systems and they're willing to because Allan's asked all them hey you know can I come watch and kind of learn about this and some of them are a little bit more standoffish and but there was two in particular said yeah we'll we'll teach everything we can like if we can teach you how to do most of the work we don't have to come up that's great um so I appreciated that too have cont service contract last that still exists that that was their goal was to ensure maintenance and and we had some issues with that like they they switched texts and found out a whole air handler in the gym was completely W you know backwards for 20 years and we

014paid for a service contract for them never to tell us that that was a little disappoint our service contract is they come in and just do a few check things and I was assuming it working correctly was a few [Laughter] check pretty costly for really what they do and most everything they come in and do we end up getting an additional bill it's the that's outside of the service contract I'm not against different service contract provider and I've never had after that instance but if that's not if we're not if they're not willing to help guide us through it running properly then what did we do help us make this work especially especially as you change Personnel you know I mean somebody new like Allen coming in that somebody has to teach them that and

015if you know that may come from the previous person but if if they don't have all the information they need then you you know when do you get that so that's and then Mark kind put that thing together um yeah I I've been aware of it because prepared for an interview up here I look through some of that stuff but I think it's it's been a long time since anybody's kind of we've Revisited a lot of that yeah I I had him print this says the it's not it's not the whole survey I went through and just picked off some slides just some some things just to kind of help frame the discussion um and I didn't know how long it had been since we'd seen some of this information but this was from that

016community meeting that they did where we had pretty good sized crowd in the Little Theater um and just kind of to remind remind us that you know we're we're not just seven of us making decisions here it's we're kind of trying to represent what the communities want um fairly overwhelmingly they what they showed at that meeting was they said we need to fix and and repair and improve um not just fix things um they also said uh We've we've had some discussion you know about trying to keep using that old high school building it was fairly clear that I don't think our communities in general are interested in us sinking any more money into that old building so um you know if we're talking about things at the elementary school I think probably reflecting the

017thoughts of the community would be that we'd focus on the newer part of the elementary school and not put money into that old building um they were asked if they would support a bond issue now obviously that's that's representing a group of folks that for the most part we invited to come to that community meeting so it's it's not necessarily representative of you know everybody living in juel County but it was overwhelmingly that if if we were to have the right plan that they said that they would support some kind of a bond issue on that so that's I know that's something that we've been kind of struggling with you know the the first first question of all of this is do we as a board try to try to run a bond issue I

018think probably at least several of us sitting here would like the answer to that to be no um but I think we probably have gotten enough information now that we know that that question is really kind of even out of our hands at this point it's not probably something we can say no to it's it has to be done so then the question then becomes you know what what is that Bond going to be um and so then I I think the next step is is in in determining you know what that Bond looks like is you either go through all the items that you want and find out how much that's going to cost and I think we probably have that information at this point and we know that's going to be more than

019we can afford so then the other approach you can take to that is say well how much are we willing to maybe try to try to go for on a bond how much are we willing to try to spend on facilities and then how much can we get done for that amount of money and that's probably the process that we're I feel like we're probably looking at at this point is what you know what as a board do we think do we think we can swallow as as a an amount and and then what can we get done for for that so I printed off and those these lists come also from that survey um it's some things that the community members submitted it's things that the that the architect submitted I think there's some

020things on there that that staff have there was there was a couple of slides of Staff input it's it's I think a fairly representative list not all inclusive obviously there's going to be things I'm sure you can look look through that and there'll be things that you personally will think need to be that list and that's fine but these were some needs of the elementary some needs of the high school and then just general overall needs of the district so I I had him Mr Sals print that off because I thought that's kind of a good reminder to look through those lists as we're trying to make some of these decisions of because it's kind of easy to forget some of these things when we start talking about building new facilities or or whatever let's

021you know not forget that you know some of the things that we wanted in our in our buildings were better lighting or maybe some windows or maybe you know that kind of stuff um some of the things that that need to be fixed and some of those things that maybe aren't actually such a gigantic cost that we we could also get done um as part of this project so you know I think we know what the the real big ticket item items are but there's some smaller things here that we don't want to forget about that are things that you know we wanted and our communities wanted that kind of thing so I just wanted to put that in front of you to kind of get all that back on your minds as well so

022um I don't know for sure where to take the discussion next um you also have copies of of these things um that we've we've gotten from spt uh you know that was the the board kind of directed Jeff and and myself to try to come up with some projects that were of a cost that we at least could wrap our minds around you know something that's well hopefully well under at least you know a $20 million price tag and so that's kind of what we tried to do um obviously the more we got into that and and dug through it we find that doesn't take very long for you're quickly up to 15 or20 million um I don't think that probably any of these options are necessarily A sure a sure thing you know exactly

023what we're trying to do so I we're going to have to probably look through those and Whittle some things down as well um I know you know we focused and and probably rightfully have focused most of our energy and and potential dollars on on the high school um but we also know that there are some needs at the elementary school that are listed on that that list as well as possibly some others and so in considering these things we need to keep that in mind too that hopefully whatever we do includes some projects at the elementary school so yes curious what your what your thoughts are we get out of this meeting what what decisions do we think are relevant we should be making today or at least guidance administra what I I don't know

024maybe this is a little bit too ambitious but I think with some of the options presented we I can go back to to Greg atbb and say hey take this out hey let's like how can we shave $2 million out of this project I just I feel like looking at three options is it what we need based on you know some of those things that Mark brought back but I think we need to for lack of better words find a direction before we get into the weed and start trying to cut that's what I'm asking what what what's the direction you're we're looking to get to by the end of this meeting today well I think hopefully I feel like we need to have at least a fairly good idea of what the the scope

025in terms of dollars is going to be um and I feel like we need to have a pretty good idea of what direction if it's if it's going to be something along one of these three lines we need to we need to focus on one because it's it you know we we can keep looking at more and more and more more more options but that doesn't really get us anywhere at some point we need to say okay this is what we want to try to do whether it's build a build something new whether it's maybe do a little new and a little old and or maybe whether it's just repair the old stuff whatever direction that is um so that we can narrow that focus a little bit more and get with the architect and

026say okay here's what we want to do now how how much is that going to cost and then as we start cutting that back what what's the most we can get for the amount of dollars that we want to that's that's what I'm hopeful cuz otherwise we just you know we can kind of keep looking at this stuff and keep sending it back to him month after month but at some point we if we're going to do try for a bond at some point we've got to have a got we got to have a plan and we got to have something that we can take to the communities and start getting their thoughts on it and and we're not I don't think we're there yet but I'd like to try to get there and and

027I'd like to try to get there in the next yeah I think one couple months a precise Direction essentially we we kind of have two directions for the high school so to speak pretty much new or renovate um I I think if we try to go and have Community meetings with that many different directions right now right that's that that's the other thing is that you know just just with those of us in the room here you know it's it's it's a lot and it's you know a lot to discuss and if you if you bring in a room full of 50 or 100 people and throw all of this at them too then it's you you get the weeds real fast and it's just too much and and I think is our responsibility is

028to come up with what our plan is and take that and present that and then get their thoughts on that plan and if there's if you know there's things then at that point that people feel like need to be added or let go or changed then then we take that input but we I don't think we give a whole bunch of different scenarios and try what we've done though is lay the groundwork for all the questions we're going to get did you consider this did you consider that did you consider a new facility did you consider you know going this direction or doing that and I feel like we could we're in a place we can answer all those questions and defend how we got to where we're at agreed and we we got those

029questions at the the last one of these Community meetings that we had there was people that stuck around kind of after the meeting and that was the questions we were getting is well are you sure about this have you considered this and you know is this right and I didn't feel like we could probably answer those questions at that point completely because we didn't have all that information and yeah I agree brenon I think that's I feel like we've we've asked all the questions that we can think of to even ask at this point and um if there's if there's more we can get that information but I feel like we've explored a lot of options so um go ahead no I was just gonna say if we look I mean we could go through

030kind of those those needs that Mark presented on that I mean if you want to and look at each one of the options which one checks the most boxes obviously we know that especially option one at least based on the feedback I've got is there's going to have to be find ways to to maybe Whittle that down a little bit a little bit I'm I'm sorry I mean I'd love to go that direction but I don't know how I don't think that sells I don't think it probably does either it's just too much well that's what I'm saying is so so I think we're back op the problem that I have though is the bottom bottom dollar is 20 I guess option two is 167 and you're not talking about like a giant amount of

031savings you'll come off in three so just in that you know can I ask a question based on the coloring here yeah is the blue blue and gray um in two and three the entire um runda is is that means that all hbac is included in the bid but number one it is not not colored the idea with number one was we told him we would the the ultimate goal was basically get out of the Rotunda so it it it would leave it so that if down the road a future board or whatever future us decide that at that point we want to put new hbac in it it would still be it would still be there and then you'd have that much more space to use but um the idea was spend no money

032on it and put all that money toward new facility so while we're on number one the only other thing I want to say about is what if we cut the new construction in half and and did the work on the rendant um I I had that same thought when I was looking through those can we can we scale that new construction back quite a bit yeah um still put something new out there but probably have to put some money into fixing the Rotunda part of it too and so try to kind of a hybrid of that you know whether all new or no no new maybe a hybrid of a little of both of those um I think we could we could probably explore that um I think you know if we're going to try

033to put anything new I think it either needs to be something like that or it needs to be something like this option two thing it's it's got to go One Direction or the other um option four that was just the HVAC was around four million correct was that option four no that was option nothing it was this one but to kind of jump on that is we know the HVAC has has to be addressed we know that that's $4 million if we were to re the existing building as is if everything was redone HVAC wise would be rough rough number of $4 million know 127 was um adding a new CTE off the north side new secur entrance um demo parking oh no we took that out um renovate the shop building down below we're

034doing that with capital outl and then um element had a new print option four that was an earlier one yeah sorry I can get it printed real correct that was cutting option one down but it's still that's still 127 so on option one the very top line says you know new 712 facility Dell only I saw that that's not ACC I don't think so but we we had some scenarios where we were going to do a building and then a shell and then a shell for future whatever and I'm hoping that that's just a typo I'm hoping so too because if it's that cost and all you get is that big shell all the classrooms and everything there so I'm assuming that's a finished product by I'm working under that assump too but I would

035I would want to get a for sure answer to because otherwise then you you you may be talking another five or million so I'm guessing that was confusion getting going from two buildings back down to one well I know that looking back and and I think you all know this but looking back through that that survey that needs assessment thing there were there were two very clear responses from our communities and and really even our teachers too um of what their priorities were and those priorities were the CTE and the security security entrances and that kind of thing so I think whatever we do need to make sure we address those at both buildings if we can the the secure entries and and do our part on that so um and I think I think

036all of these plans address that um they all include some new CTE facilities and they they include the entryways at both buildings so budget of that option for I have a picture was that a budget good thing we got Bobby here she keeps us keeps us moving terms of this dollar figure discussion we start there and work into what we we I mean I think you you got to have that discussion um and like I said none of us really want to do that but we we've we've seen that we we can't even fix our bare minimum problems with probably without running a bond um and so then the question then becomes becomes start the recording yet um becomes do we do more than the minimum um the minimum I guess in my mind is

037just fixing the HVAC that's you know that keeps the things running like they are right now um I'm sure that there will be those that probably say yes that's what you do is just status quo get it back to that um it's important to include question that'll get asked on whatever number we pick is okay that's your number for the bond but what's your plan for the other $2 and5 million doll in capital out which land for that $700,000 plus in capital outlay per year we're already being tax for so I think those are all relevant discussions to the dollar tax it's not just it's all the other pieces that will come and that's why you know I think when we're considering that what is that number yeah I think you you can say well

038okay let's just let's just say we decide the number is 15 million that doesn't necessarily mean we are saying we think we should run a bond for 15 million it might just say that's what I think the project is going to be now what are our sources for that okay some of it's going to be a bond some of it's going to be Capital outlay some of it's going to be you know if we can find ways to incorporate grants that that kind of thing there has to be those other pieces of that so that's but yeah I I totally agree there's it it would be silly for us to try to run a bond that doesn't include a plan of how we're spending our current capital outl at least some of it well I

039can sorry I just jumped in late to that but with capital Outlet right now I'm getting you know we're Gathering quotes for access controls badge access new exterior doors understand that but we're still taxing our taxpayers 700,000 a year year so that's the question I would ask is okay I'm good with that so what's next year sure well I guess what I'm saying is some of the things that were on that list we're trying to address currently too just with security and some of that I think that's that's what the part of that there will be we're going to need new buses we're going to need you know things that all go to that Capital system but I think those those are part of the questions that you're talking about is it's say okay well

040if we're not going to use $2 million of our Capital outlay into this project what is it being used for well we need to be able to answer that buses we've some of the other things that we've already done Lighting in some of the buildings those kind of things entrances what what are we using it for it yeah it it it needs to be I'm just saying that's what will kill it this is still a political question you're asking voters and if you don't have answers to those questions it will syn every effort no matter what discussion we have it will not pass if we can't answer those questions I like your idea of what's the number and work backwards including all of those pieces though I would be the more conservative voice I guess

041and I would be at you know 4 million for the HB pull a million out of capital outlay do a bond for three three and a half million and but no CTE no secureity inur I think we need to be in survival mode mode and what's your reasoning for that population Trend just looking at County overall we're not growing and we're not going to grow if we can maintain and you know as well as I do state money is an unknown that may be getting ready to get chopped bigger than hell just my concerning that is I think there's that we got to find that balance um I do see though I think it's a chicken and egg thing Wayne I think you in order to be a community that people want to stay in

042we've got to have what is a progressive school system you got to have the industry to get them herey our job is to prepare them in that capacity and if we don't have the I if we don't have the right facilities to do that like this all started and for this just to because you're exactly right this all started because we got a grant for a CNC machine in the metal job and we had no place to put it and sunflower had told us you train kids on this we will employ them but yet we put it we get it we get it in there and we don't have the space and the right facility to be able to do it and so that became okay so how do we we recognize that what our

043shop you know our a shop looks like what our industrial art shops looks like is great for when it started but the industry is changing and we need to be able to train our kids differently and that's what that that so they can become employ and so I'm looking at it that I I I need you been in Mr O well um classroom he's got machine after machine laser engravers and CNC machines and and cabinets building stuff like teaching our kids some really awesome stuff but there he's doing it all in the middle of his classroom and so I look at that and go we for of space we can do better that's and so that's where I feel like this started that's why the CTE I feel like the hbag is a necessary evil

044in the system but I I feel passionate about the CTE because I think that's that's what's going to drive our kids to careers and jobs and that's what's going to be good for our community now I don't think that's our I don't I I have concerns the same way do about the lack of Industry to be able to put them into it within our community but I still think we owe it to them to teach them that and I don't I don't think we're equipped to do it as well as we could that's why the CTE is passionate for me but we've got to have industry to get people here to have students another aspect that was brought up from the original was trying to not lose kids on the periphery to neighboring districts if

045we have better CTE facilities because the kids were losing on the periphery are add kids that if they knew how many kids would you be looking at I I don't know that I I know that Center Pike Valley BL yeah Lakeside maybe to the ones that are already gone yeah I don't know I'm just saying that was part of the conversation that was well then drag maybe drag some of them this direction their Poli are Direction you're talking oh I know minimal yeah but it's still about the kids we've got here today and the kids that are going to be here in 10 15 20 years uh and I you know I don't can't answer who's going to be here but I can answer what they're going to need and I think we I think

046we know what they're going to need I'm just looking back at the last 25 30 years if we do a 25 year bond that puts us at yeah what was the je County like 30 years ago we had three schools yeah I I I I don't see a scenario where we're less than one school Per County and there's nobody we're it I think that's also what's driving my passion about this because those decisions those as hard decisions those decisions have been made we have one school in this County and are we going to invest into it or not the most important taxes you can pay are right here I mean nobody wants taxes to go up nobody wants but at least it's here you can see it feel it touched it affects you but you

047can maintain that to a realistic number too absolutely um but I guess the the flip side of that argument is that you know maintaining the status quo or or being in survival mode um doesn't provide any opportunities for things to improve there's if if you don't invest anything you know say we need we need to try to bring in Industries well how how do we do that we provide better trained workers we provide facilities that would bring in encourage industries that kind of thing I mean it's I guess if if you're if you're a community that's just basically preparing to die then then that's where you're going to go that's my feeling on it that you know if you're going to try to you know maintain or even bring people in you have to do

048some things to encourage that I think that's part part of the part of the reason that this county is in the situation that it's in is because there hasn't been enough foresight and investment and you know trying to bring some of those those things here it's it's kind of like and it's easy you know because it has been the trend Wayne you're right for for long as I've been alive it you know we've kind of gotten used to this the population's going to decline we're going to send our kids away and and and that's just the way it's going to be and eventually none of us will be here and there'll be nothing here but I I don't I don't want to subscribe to that type of thinking so I want to do whatever I

049can to be part of trying to keep kids here and and you know while they're here give them give them the education and the facilities and the opportunities that we possibly can so another chicken or egg thing that I've thought about and I've tried talking with our NC casc4 superintendent about but you know talk about even if it's minimal industry you know do we need to have the facilities and the skill the kids leaving with those skills to do it or is it the other way around but you know is it possible to get a a satellite that employs 10 people from Quest or from rankies or something that a partnership that hey we're going to we're going to get the kids what they need they can walk out and they can start right here

050but how do we get them here I I don't know is it do we need them here to start it or do we need the kids with the skills I think an educational component we we are making decisions for kids that are impactful for generations and that's that's why I this is important this this is going to affect their kids if they I I want them to I want them to look at this as a place where this may not be where you land right out of the gate but I want you I want this a place you want to bring come back and bring your kids and put them back in the school system that's here yeah so I think I think by not a making improvements to advance us forward you're just telling

051those kids we have why would you ever consider G you know consider coming back that's that's an interesting statement you said I hadn't even considered but yeah that's a decision like this um you know we're making this decision and thinking about the kids that we have here but this decision is going to in fact in impact their kids yeah the the kids that are here right now in high school this is we're talking about their children that this could this could have to do with so that's kind of kind of makes you think a little bit but one of my concerns would be on a CTE building okay if if we build one that's great what do we have for a shop teacher I think we couldn't find one yeah I I think I think

052facilities has to be a part of the recruiting process too I I I honestly believe that's going to be the look at our shop building and don't have a competent shop teacher I get that but if you want to go if you want to go recruit uh teachers I I and you show what we have right now show what we have right now look at you know obviously our base and benefits but then they're going to go walk in the building and go are these guys investing I mean you want me to invest 20 years of my career are you willing to invest over 20 years in your maybe I mean I can tell you and I think Sam probably would agree with this that facilities do make a difference when you're when you're interviewing

053teachers and you're showing them around um I mean I know I know when back when I was a teacher looking for jobs that was you know you go to one place and they show you the facilities you go to another and you're like oh I think I want to be here because they I mean and especially when you're talking about those CTE careers where you've got teachers that are increasingly really difficult to find because they're so few of them and if you can show them a facility that makes them want to say that's a place I want to be rather than I think I'd rather be at this place 30 miles down the road because they've got better facilities that it is a recruiting tool it's a retention tool um as well as being the

054opportunity for for kids to get the better classroom and I go would I want to spend seven eight hours day here I think we could I think we could do better and that's why I patched that because I I want our kids to find Value in those programs I think our kids our community need value I think you know that's the thing about what we're giving the community is that our job is also to give them what they don't know they need they don't know what they don't know our job in education is to get them to experience that that those things that they never knew that they needed to know to make them successful and I just I walk through our facility and go man we could do better we it's I I look

055at I look at some of the own personal facilities that people have and I go at least could do as well as what you know we do and they're not there and I think that investment's some that's why I'm passionate about the that CER Tech investment so I think we're not asking for a new gym I'm not there I think current tech ed is I think I think that is the ask um we're we're wanting we're needing from the community I think the community's told us that and I think anything less than that um says that we've we're not in we are just maintaining we looking at one part Bond I think they're I don't know the answer that kind of depends on how we I have questions about how does some of these pieces

056come together because if we do a one part Bond and it gets shot down and we're right back to score one yeah no no and watching all these other bonds around us and how they work it's so it's interesting that's also part of the process was able to come back in path needed and I think that's what you know I think that'll be what it'll be honestly I think probably the the first answer to your question is yes it probably is a one part Bond and the and the the first go at it is probably whatever we try to decide we can do and if it fails if it blows up then you go back and you say okay we're going to do bare minimum we're going to fix the H back and we're going

057to and we're going to fix it with as little Bond money as possible and as much capital I mean you go back to that bare basic at that point and and I mean that's yeah that's that's why it's the voter's decision on something like that you you present them the option you told us no you told us you wanted it then you told us no so if you go extreme cases say the second Bond didn't pass could happen then then the communities have chosen to keep the doors open until the hbac quits working and then we probably send our kids somewhere else that that's the that's the reality of it it's it's the choice of the voters and I I feel like our responsibility is is is yes to to not go crazy with with

058wild plans and wild amounts of money but we to give the voters an option this is what we think we should do do you agree and if they say no we do not agree then that's when you go back and you say okay we've cut it down to bare minimum are you willing to do this and you know that's ultimately it's not our decision but it is our responsibility to provide the the choices what was the last B [Music] that's what I was going to say there's a three part that went up all three pieces I think was close to 28 30 you know I look at I look this is part maintenance bond this I think that's this is part maintenance bond which is common for these we we we'd build a bunch of

059buildings in Kansas for schools in 1960s and then we stopped or we know we kind of intermittently came and then did it uh or consolidation forced it is is in a lot of areas was there Government funding that sub that I don't know the answer of how building funding worked in the 60s I just I don't know the answer to that I don't either but you're right there was a lot of them a lot of them buildt around the same time so they're all failing about the same state Force consult you had a lot of in you had a lot and that didn't happen ever happen again after that because politically that's not um 58 yeah that was when that's why everybody had the USD because that's when all schools were forc and you were

060issued the next number in line and to kind of talk about the government help on that right wrong or indifferent based on our assess valuation for pupil we don't get any state aid for there's there's some districts that get for lack of better words a little bit of a money match when they pass a ball they get state aid some of that back ours is zero which doesn't help us at all either we only raise about twoth thirds of the dollars in our what we spend yearly at this table we only tax about two-thirds of that within our community the other 30% comes from somewhere else in the state generally over so I'm just it's not state aid directly proportionate to what we build but we do not 100% fund N knowell More well I

061I I I appreciate your context and I think that that thought about what what's the bare minimum we can do to survive Wayne is not is something need to stay in the back of our minds I I I'm passionate about taking something the community that says we we want to invest in the future not just maintain where we're at and it's going to cost um we we I want to be able to sure that we've done our diligence to we've ensured that what it's going to cost is fair and effective and we have a plan on how to do it also using what we've already you know um acquired from the taxpayer and a plan for that's why that $2 and half million dollars I I don't know if you're watching Wah's Bond right now

062but their vote no campaign is all about you got $300 million in the bank why you asking for more I'm sorry that's the exact question we're going to get if we don't have a plan to and so that's so whatever that number is that's that's and I can't answer that question not not only that but not only the two million that you currently have but what about the next yeah half million and the next half million and the next half million you know are you GNA pass this Bond and lower my taxes on on those yeah so that's so we need to be able to show a vision if there's if there's a way that we can reduce the bond amount because we're factoring in capital outlay for the next however many years as part

063as part of that great but yeah I I agree that's absolutely we can't we can't not figure out how we're going to use that other money that we're already and so sitting on I want to try to pull back to you talk you know your concern but look okay so what what could we actually do to acquire and what's the number I honestly think anything over 12 is really not is going to be a tough sell that's my gut I don't have any data to back that up other than really is what you brought to the meeting last month kind of sharing what that what that looks like to a taxpayer and you know by having that comparison and and it is when because I I really again I appreciate you doing that because I

064think that a total increase of 8 to 10 % that you shared with us is probably about the max we're going to be able to get out a taxpayer and that's at a $12 million Bond over 12 years um and that's if we yeah that's if we uh that's if we you know do all due diligence on all the things now can we um including what do we do with our Capital outway today what do we our Capital out in the future that 8 to 10% means a lot that that number seems to mean like that's what the taxpayer might be able to willing to investigates well and we the last facility meeting that we had with that we were close to passing a resolution at that time for two pipe for two pipe and

065the number escaped me it was what between eight and N million dos that and I would argue that any of these options if we're staying close to that number are better than throwing it back into a two-pipe system yeah and we were I mean we're pretty close to that so we got those questions of is this really the best way to spend you know eight million in taxpayer dollars and I feel like now we have better answers that and I look at option three that's what I keep I would love to do option two I love the additional classroom space the question I have is could you ever add that on like if you were to do option three today but wanted to add the classroom space of option two in the future I guess

066what I would like to see is and and we won't know you won't know till you get into it is again the whole shell concept of maybe we don't finish you know but while you're breaking ground While You're Building structure could we you you do some kind of hybrid of I know four and two or four and three are basically the same they just kind of flipped over and you get into the auditorium a little bit so that's why those figures are similar I would just like to see if if we can trim that you know if we can be conservative in those estimates but provide the shell space for even the four more classrooms or something whether they're finished immediately or not whether that's capital outlay commitment whatever if that's the matching out I

067agree it's there'll never be a cheaper time to build a building than today it'll only get more expensive so if you can build the shell of a building and and have a plan for what it's going to be when you can afford to finish it out I I see the logic in that too um I can also see people saying why would you build an empty building and not put anything in it but you know if you have if you had a plan in place and I mean that was that was what you know that's why we that option one why we were talking about that can we can we do half of it and then just leave the other half empty and um I mean I think we still need to they govern their

068estimates for renovating the old CTE building in the locker rooms and things like that and you know they've got a square footage figure there I I you think if that's something we're doing outside of this project contractor by contractor piece by piece you know I I think some of that can be done significantly cheaper than what's on the but we we won't know until we get into it we don't have to spend the money unless we have the money yeah I mean I I do I like that idea of having shells while weing infrastructure filling you know if we're if we're trying to hone in on option three or four two something whatever that looks like for total dollars we could possibly spend I just feel like yeah like the time is now to at

069least have a little bit more classroom space whether we can get it finished and utilized immediately or whether that's a couple years down the road or but you have an open space so if something happens I just don't I don't love the junior high high school all together and the more space we can give them up there for separation I think that's a better system also look at what they're doing for contingencies in all of these you know they it's a lot it's a lot it's not near what we were at with the with the other company we were working with it's about half as much but it's still a lot still a lot so I look at you know we talk about the capital outl we reserve we've got and go okay is that

070our contingency are we comfortable with that because that's a pretty close to what that is and so that would allow you to reduce the overall number by youing I mean I know that I know from administrator standpoint that's a scary place to go but the reality is again I don't I heard something can walk out the door with and I again I go back to what the other that 8 to% I be you can have you can H in on a $10 million project that gives us a little you know some that version of option three or four is there a way to do that the wood shop and the and in the CT building and in the same context build the shell and finish it as we need to get that down I mean

071it's we have a functional it's functional today but if we had the facility we could we could you know do the industrial Art Shop and finish it you know one year with capital atlet dollars the next year or Reserve finish Egg Shop we really to start getting skinny well for the C stuff it it's about the space and I don't know what you get my gameing well yeah I don't know what the finishing aspect of it is you know yeah you can get really crazy I assume but basically you just need four space an electrical supply to plug stuff in and run stuff and have the space to have project stuff you know so CTE shell itself I can't think is should be the cheapest space that you would ever build in a school building

072what what inflationary type figures are they using for what that space looks like what can we actually have that's function you know we don't know that and it's not like I don't think we can I'm not sit here asking for that answer you can't but it's but I agree that if you if you end up doing something like that and they've got a million dollars worth of contingency in there and you get done and it was not even half of that then what do you do with that what's that other half a million dollars what what were we planning on doing with that and that's that's another thing that's another well I know but it's you know if we're kind of going along with what Wayne was saying if if we're if we're going to

073try to keep things to a to a minimum that what you don't want to do is get done with all of this and have a bunch of money left over unless you've got a plan to either invest it in something else or pay back the bond maybe the floor floor the crazy was theity survey a new gym was another that was probably about number three on the list of priorities I that's something people actually really want but I know it's going to be politically mind you I'm GNA do a lot morei mostly home but every every facility went to facilities some of their new gyms are nothing compared to ours our has sizewise accessibility of getting into it I was in rock Creeks this weekend and the big gym is fairly decent but The Little

074Gym there's lots of them are that way though I mean they're basically just building a gym might have three rows maybe three rows of bleachers on one side and that's that's all chairs for the but they didn't build it for a big crowd they build it as a practice gym and once in a while they have to use it for an actual gym C woods and high school softball field too on Sunday fin got that we have way more bleachers our ball fields than they do their now they're nice tur field was pretty amazing yeah that's what I was gonna say but the field was sweet though the field was very sweet I also but I did ROV the what's that the the construction of all of this was pre-engineered Ste correct that's remember pole

075barn yeah wooden pole barn that's what we got something that's got some hail damage we could probably recycle I'm assuming that's where why we're $50 a square foot and not $500 a square foot where we at before with custom Bill brick and mor yeah that's we can explore that if you'd like but it'll double the cost we've explored that as far as concerned yeah and well and I don't mean you go go to some of these other schools around the area that have built some new things and that's mostly what they're doing they they it's mostly metal frame buildings with 10 you know corrugated sighting I mean they're they're not building new brick and mortar stuff around here yeah and so you know they only doing the the aesthetic portion which is three foot up

076struct know when that was was all we were just in there having the it's all pre-engineered still building they just and that was done done you tell me eight or 10 years ago but that's the thing with that with those metal buildings now is that you can you could go back in and kind of dress them up a little bit for not probably a lot more money that make them look a lot more like a brick and morar type building they don't you know it's not like walking into a farm shop where you see the steel beams and everything and I mean it's you can kind of fix them up a little bit but um well I Al I'm curious about the uh I Cur so question I'm curious is the addition of classrooms so

077it look at option three at the 12 million is um and that's 119 before we get into the parking poot right am I reing that number correct parking lency get that 14 but option number three get us our CTE space um and fixes our HVAC and Ren and and renovates the 7 through2 facility which I assume is I'd like to know what that means is that our windows and other pieces of the which one you and three and two and three list the same things break well and that's I guess what that goes back to the beginning of this meeting was when when when we kind of have if this is the option we want to pursue then let's get in the weeds with the architect on what all does this include what all does

078it cost that but we need a number to start and and we need a direction that that's why I said we we can do that but but pretty soon you're doing that all these different plans and and it's it gets to be too much but that's I I what I'm saying is I I can get you the the answers to those questions Does it include windows I don't know it doesn't say but we can find that out but but before we ask all those questions I'd like to kind of have a fairly sure direction of where we're going with it and then I think we can have him really dig into the details and tell us what we get tell us what we can cut what what's I mean you want to walk through them

079piece by piece we started with number one I I'm pretty sure from what I remember like that the the renovation of the 712 is going to include putting holes and walls for Windows that is right windows and then some glass interior walls to allow natural life to get into those second level interior room simar so I'm looking at Option One those both go to the north right so you look at for one four add CTE to the north yep y there it is I know I forgot I forgot my glasses too [Laughter] I think and so I think and then I look at two and three go okay it's not the same configuration but it does just goes a different direction and it doesn't aband one the one unique thing about one is mentioned is

080it aband the right right I would say yeah you're at least rolling the dice for a while yes I this is what I to do I just don't I don't the dollars I think takes us past where well I guess yeah um well I think come to terms the bones of the runda are fine right it's the logistics of heing it that are giving us problem so it's just is it is it is it hard to abandon the the the question that I wrestle with and I think you probably are too Kenny is we we know it's probably going to cost $4 million to fix the HVAC in that building is the smarter thing to do to spend that $4 million toward building something new or fixing the old that that's that's the part I

081wrestled with that's that's why I'm like like okay yeah I I get that the bones are still good on that but but at the end of the day you're you're going to spend probably $4 million just to keep exactly what you have versus taking that $4 million and what can that what new thing can that get us granted it's going to cost more than $4 million to build a new building but do you put that money toward something new rather than put it toward something old that's and I'm I'm not I don't have an answer to that I've wrestled with that that's what got me thinking about building a new facility it's like well that's a $4 million is a lot of money to throw at fixing something 60 years old however but if we

082discontinue it 20 years how much it cost to demo that rest building I I think at some point there was number like quart million dollar demo yeah I well and I look at the I'm looking at the new 7 through 12 over 12 million just for that least that's not any I just that's that's the cost comp be that that's that that entity alone is 12 million and that and I'll like that's that's just me saying I that's the C so we either get that and nothing else you talk you're still looking at Option four one yeah that's that's what they tied to thatare [Music] foot for that it's just a ma we were at 15 million to do the other things renovated classrooms the wings of the remove some point yeah well the idea

083with option one was that when I first was thinking about that would be that you'd build the new and then yes you'd demo the old um but I that's after we kind of got to talking more about it is I guess you my thinking was you you'd leave it there the old part rotunda as long as it was functioning and keep using it until the HVAC totally crapped out on you and then then you're out of it but you have a place to go you're you know you don't need it anymore um and at that point you mothball it and let let it sit if if you want to reactivate it down the road sometime and fix the HVAC you could if you want to demo it and build a gym there you could I

084mean it leaves it leaves it as an option I my thinking wouldn't be as soon as we build the new that we tear down the old I don't I'm not sure that there's a that that's it's necessary you just you just shut the doors and you're out of it but um so I as far as the demo cost I I'm not really figuring that in just because I'm not sure how necessary it would be to demo it I mean that building will be standing there for a hundred years even if you don't do anything with it but this is being very optimistic in saying this but as technology improves too we went from $8 million for two pipe system newer technology HVAC is now four is there something that's cheaper that then you can throw

085in down the road and weend to make it if I look at option one though the requirements of this at the bare minimum to do that to the north is the 12.2 and the 2.2 you have those those coincide with each other and the 654 the only thing that's not required in that is the 600,000 for the new inage Elementary I if I read that right it's 151 if if that if that's the direction we're going and do classrooms and not just CTV that's no contingency no nothing no parking lot do you does anybody Bobby You're The Keeper of the records do you remember when we talked about the the option one with the all new um but but we had it split into two and we're just doing half of it do you remember

086what that is that it you've got it okay the shell was $80 a square foot to build that this was so okay so option one if you just finished half of it so if you just if you built two buildings finished one uh new entry at the elementary renovation of existing building $1.9 million that was the early one so they adjusted a little bit so so in in finishing the whole thing rather than half of it you go from like I said that was a little earlier that's not right now that oh that 11 something does that include the gym renovat or not the gym renovation but the renovation pack for that section of the building that require some attention don't know I don't have that picture okay so I guess what okay thank you

087Justin we'll make we'll make big decisions and blame them all on you okay all these options about the fourth line down it says renovation class lock room along gy H included line item there about three or four downs on that top it just says renovation of existing I think that's it okay at 2.2 million 2232 that's the same that's the same figure on here that's the included in the 11 11 point it's call $12 million versus almost 16 million so it's it's about $4 million less money if you don't finish the if you finish half of it and leave it shell of the other so I still think that's an option two column like two columns of Building B a row building here West a West building and an East bu one finished with classrooms

088one probably is your CTE space that's just leaving the rund on life support so to speak correct it would do HVAC in the gym and and the catwalks and locker rooms but idea the nice thing about that is it would allow you to get your classrooms out you've still you're probably still using the old CTE building for a while but that's okay I mean there's nothing other than this the space issue there's nothing actually wrong with it we're not trying to vacate that building for other reasons that space and then as you finish those bigger spaces in the new building then those come out then you renovate that old building and put your locker rooms your weight room like I mean it's in terms of priorities that makes more sense 4 500,000 Capital out have

089to spend would go a long ways to finishing those Open Spaces with with contractors with local contractors you know getting bids and wouldn't have all this contingency and all this smoke built into it that we just don't know I understand why they do it we've been down that road yeah but if the Shell's there then we can come and say hey you build four classrooms along this wall what's that going to cost fac the timeline of that makes the most sense to me because it's you're you're addressing your biggest need first and then next need next need next need and you can do it over years rather than trying to get all of that done at one time out of the Rotunda yes inle if needed right might not be ideal right that's that's the

090other piece of it is that it and that's what got me about their way back project was having to put in temporary classrooms and get kids out of this if if you if you do this new thing you just it's business as usual in your old school building until that's ready and then they and then when it's done then they come out that's that's what I like about that too same thing it was the first one the first option one that they gave us but but then we got to talking about well would it be cheaper to instead of building two separate buildings to build one and stick it all together and what we found out is yes it's probably cheaper but then you're finishing the whole thing is the problem you're you're not going

091to probably build one building and only finish half of one building you're it makes more sense to probably build two separate ones and finish one and not finish one or even like on option one kind of hard to tell but what if this whole section here was the classroom section yeah you know like like if you can just take some but I'm saying if we're going back if we're going back to these guys saying all right we're 102 million is where we want to try to get to what does this look like one big building getting that down we we can ask that question you know what I'm yes I do know what you're saying we come out of here and 10 if we all decide that we are willing to try for 10 or

09212 or whatever that is what does this option look like only spending 11 or the two building option whatever I I think that'd be great I think those are great questions that's a direction we have to decide we're heading that's that's what I'm that's kind of what I'm asking of all of you today is is give me give Jeff and I that direction to to call the architect and say okay here's kind of the dollar figure we want to try to shoot for here's the kind of scope of project we want to try to shoot for now give us all the options of that what that looks like is I I mean I I feel I agree with Kenny and I felt like for well for a while now that the general feeling I get

093from the board from all of us is that that 10 or 12 million is really I mean that that's that's probably it and and that's even that is being super hopeful um I don't I just don't I think it's ridiculous to probably consider more than that I I just so I I guess what I'm saying is I kind of feel like you're telling me about what the dollar figure maximum is I know that's not going to be a pleasing amount to all of us sitting here totally understood um but I think you I think you got to start there and then we work backwards from there um and that's so I guess what I'm saying is I think I think I've got the cap so now what I'm what I'm asking is what which of

094these kind of things which direction you want to try to pursue with this we can we can keep asking questions of all of them but well my con I'm agreeing on that my only concern about this is not what it is what it will be it's a selling it um selling unfin you know pass and selling unfinish things yes we're going to do this but it's not really we're not sure what it's going to be just yet be a few years so yes I think I think you have to have a plan for it yeah even if even if it's a timeline flexibility I mean flexibility will be understood but we need to come with like well this is the intention of this space Capital outlay do over the next five years that we're going

095to put into it I think if if like I said if you if you decide that's the direction you want to go then I think the the architect absolutely can help us build that timeline can help us build those costs put in those phases Post phas in that find out how much it's also G to be on Administration to you know help align our budget priorities and capital outlay right you know Improvement planning as we move forward this doesn't become a one done right a check and be over this becomes a very intricately staged project over three to seven years it Al yeah it also is means that in three years superintendent not going to come to us and say uh we need $2 million in roof repairs and we need a couple more million

096dollars buses this year and you know that that part is part be very well planned out do this my my my goal from the start is is to is to try to tie the hands of future boards try not to tie the hands of future boards as much as possible but fact of the matter is we're going to regardless of what we do even if we pass a $3 million Bond it's we're still tying their hands for however many years so um we we need to make sure we've got everything well thought out for the future the second one is is is uh how do we still balance that Elementary investment and this is this is this is very heavy 7 through 12 but when families move into communities they tend to drive by the

097elementary school first and that's you know that's what they look at so how and we need the community just still be able to you know see that we're investing in the system and not just yeah well I think that's part of what appealed of that's my only two concern really it of this of this that option one Whatever version of option one that part of what appeals to me of that is it it allows for in the future bringing the elementary up either either building new facilities that attach to that other new facility or if you leave the Rotunda and you side that maybe go ahead and fix the HVAC in it later maybe the elementary moves into the Rotunda or you know there's there's that space is still sitting there if you wanted to

098have one campus solution to remember though the commons and the kitchens still lie in the Rotunda so some of that is going to still have to be taken care of yeah yeah your head I agree a single campus system is the ideal 203 year plan I don't know how to if you're not going to do it today I don't know how to phase into it phase into I don't know how to sell it to the public if that's not what we're gonna do well yeah I guess what I guess what I'm saying I'm not the ability I'm not yeah I'm not trying to sell it I'm just trying to say building maybe it ends up being a a prek-3 building and you phe fourth and fifth grade up into a retunda you're not you're not

099just having oh here's k five and then 612 it's well we have a K5 and then we have or k four and we making decision be mindful trying to leave the options open yeah the fact that's I think that's probably not a good idea to go out and say hey we're moving the elementary out yeah that's no not I don't think I want to go down that road well this is a factor we use in deciding why to do this like I think that's that through all this you talk about you know things to not to forget about the elementary I the the safe entrances um you know obviously was brought up in from from both buildings and um it it's it's something that does concern me on a daily basis and I'm sure it

100does both Mr Myers and Miss Keller is we're putting a lot granted I understand when R Kansas I get that but we're we're putting a lot of for lack of better words um decision making on a secretary that's just going to bust somebody in especially at Sam's building that's across the building those safe and secure entrances is something that to me is putting student safety as a top priority where you're going to come through the office we're going to see who you are okay um so it was it was like I said when I went through that Community survey the the needs assessment that was the number one priority um from teachers from parents was Safety and Security so if if we don't address that then we're not listening no exactly so now how that

101looks the elementary I I think there's many options yeah I mean there's there's many options for the for the main building but part we've struggled with is when they leave that building and go to the old building there's there's there's no way to secure those two buildings together without mive cost so then that becomes how what can we do to vacate that old building but it's probably another discussion for another day I'm gonna Bobby made me think of some things that EK sorry sorry but I I love I think I I look at off okay it's got the classrooms it's that CV it's it's got the things where we want to be but it does she it doesn't have a kitchen no it doesn't have the auditorium no a stage lighting as much as which

102is still an important in our space it doesn't have a common area has lots of pieces we are going to rely on very heavily even if we go do all those individual classrooms that are significant amount of programs that that that is a rotunda we are we are abing a whole bunch of of ability to improve or at least we're putting a lot of other programs at in in the I don't that's my concern wasn't there one time they talked about um using your top unit and many splits for just the piton and Commons area wasn't that part of one well it wasn't in it but we discussed about it being possib area functional while we were going to be moving but uh the library doesn't include a library was that a there just a

103lot of pieces it was kind of the original two building design had a that's what I'm try I'm trying to find that one we we had it in the original had identified as a a that open space I think we thought could have been like cafeteria slash Auditorium slash this one it had a library set actually yeah that's I guess that's one I was looking for so sorry I just I look there are just so many pieces to that retunda by abandoning it that are very specific spaces yeah which is fine to abandon but then I mean you got to think you're going to still need that Commons because you're going to be using that gymnasium so you're going to need that Commons anyway for the restrooms for ball games kitchen the library I mean

104as we know we do we need all that space and it's the library still library and you still need an auditorium you can't have a school without an auditorium where you have some capacity of that told it works doesn't it it does God this is old people with their technology how sad is that Am I Wrong this doesn't include the band room right but like this the band room's underneath the but that would be part of the renovating of right I'm just G sure Band Room would be under the art room but when you talk about the the kitchen and and all that stuff the the original two building had an identified library in that West building yeah the origin the original plan we we did have a we replaced everything yes the East one

105would have had the kitchen cafeteria Auditorium you know we can explore that again too with the architect I mean obviously you know anything you add is going to add cost but I just go to that and I go as much as I want to do well I don't I don't think probably the I don't think the intention would ever be that we're going to eliminate a cafeteria and a library out of the school school building I mean you got to have them it's just a matter of where where they end up being whether you keep keep using the old so now this but it's the hbac system that we're not investing in you might have to invest in some of it option you can shut off the Renda the com roughly the commons area because

106you would be able to use the new God I know this is really big isn't it you would be able to use because this would be the kitchen area your Commons area that's what I recall is we were leaving space open to transitioning a kitchen Comm Auditorium whatever yes you don't have that in front of you anymore the reason was because we we explored putting it all into one building yeah and we want to know what the price this goes back to the two building thing and and we like I said we replaced everything in the Rotunda in that idea so so you really are would be vacating the Rotunda other than probably some kind of a hallway from the gym to the new building and you're probably using your restrooms for the gymnasium that

107kind of thing it's Travis go make C for every yeah oh they're quoting the Shell at $80 a square foot yes they're quoting the new facility at 300 yes that was the old number that's the old number so it's roughly 350 turn sh yes please just in case so in the in the effort to keep things moving here is am I am I hearing that if we're GNA if we're going to explore building new is the general feeling you still want to explore building to the north and and trying to get out of the Rotunda or or I mean I I don't know I'm I'm trying to I need direction here because I can't get there I can't not for what I think it's gonna I I I I don't know how to I can't

108get there on how we justify a you know the reason our facility works it needs updating to a whole new facility with parts of the over that we are going to need and continue to have to use daily I think also I just I I that's what I want but I can't see how we get it it's my concern well I mean that the the way I the way I justify it is in the old facility fix the HVAC and do all the renovations is going to be $8 million of a of what building all new might be a $12 million I I don't know I mean that's that's how I get there in my mind it's like well agreed it the bottom line it's going to be cheaper to fix the old building than

109it is to build build anything new period but it's still going to be expensive and is it smarter to spend the money even though it might be a little bit less money is it smarter to spend 70% of the money on the old or spend a little bit more than that and build new that's that's the question I guess as a that that fork in the road is a big one there a big one yeah and everybody and everybody you talk to is gonna have a different thought on that yeah there's so many voices that I feel I don't have nearly enough access to know know okay what are we comfort with I mean I think what what number were you us for all men I don't know what the number is going to be

110I I'm saying that probably in that 12 to 14 million range is what the all new is but that's again until we explore that with the architect a little more in depth still have man and well you're gonna have to put an HVAC system in the gym yes yeah that incles J gets back with those copy but that that had the cost breakdown too yeah think that right but it it's at 300 in 350 all I know is I've had three people in the last month and a half say so when you guys do any of this new building new construction or renovation or whatever you're going to fix the give us a another entrance to the parking lot right to the school so this one that comes up by the school is only like

111a one way and you got one that comes in and out I'm that's that's on our process yes occurred to us [Music] yes this is at 300 I I understand need do the differ you're looking at just as much class for yes more or less same I me talk quite a bit quite a bit more um so so that's that's where I have question said 135,000 square feet and the other one 4 48,000 square feet is that the question you only 24,000 is being renovated the the answer Kenny is I guess we'd need to ask Greg about that but the first the First drawings he sent back to us and and estimates versus the next ones we asked for the cost went up quite a bit and I don't know exactly why especially in that

112short of a time period you know I know I know the cost of things go up but they don't go up that much in a few months so yeah [Music] I just wonder one that's the very original opir cut for square foot a little bit so you're saying explore this but try to find ways to cut it down us upated num it's 20 million I guess then we know then no but if it's not and if there's ways to trim between classroom like not that we want to but if we're still going to utilize the for a while but we have all the flex space over here I I just that the numbers don't quite J that uh yeah that Flex space in there for it's so small there's no way I can read that

113assume that's cafeteria something or other that's big that's a big space that's way bigger than our Auditorium that that's like our Auditorium plus our cafeteria put together right now and still probably some so that's probably a bigger space than it needs to beic even blown up I can't read that either so I know that's Jeff and I kind of had some questions on that too why some of those costs suddenly yes how did it go up that much in a month or two well but yeah I think that is unfinished because they don't even have to Kitchen it in there it's just the space for it we were gonna continue to use the one in the Punda and not finish that just can't believe it cost a million dollars to build a parking lot but

114auditor I believe I don't know how to argue I know you know there's so much Bluff in number why does it do I dare ask this question does it have to be a paved parking lot how many other schools how many other schools do you go to have Rock parking lot Ved for rock remember what he said8 they're good rock what Ro theeg shop Rock in the parking lot the Egg Shop we get it from Oklahoma the same Rock that's in our quartz pretty good if you get it packed down and you get a good layer on there it's I don't know well that's what that's We R up I and it's I mean I think there's ways that you can I know get kind of getting in the weeds there but I I I

115really can't wrap my mind around how how it costs a million dollars to just to go put a parking lot out there but maybe it does interesting to know how much that right I assume most of it because otherwise you're just flattening a piece of ground that's not that expensive that be labor yeah the sh level it out sheep's foot it down and throw top you know all the road construction they do you ought to be able to come up with quite a bit of that maintenance on a rock parking l be a lot cheaper than maintenance on a as long as they don't shove all the rock in out when they you do some when you're scooping snow you're gonna move some of the rock around well okay I move a lot of rock

116when I shovel snow that's why you pile sco it back when it melts pretty hard not to not to do go back to the bare minimum the Rotunda and go north or we we we have a renovation of the rot those are really the that's that's a decision that I'm struggling with in terms of picking that without any um context that that's really probably the bigger decision for me in terms of I think they're I'm worried that implications of picking one over the other at this point without really understanding what abandoning that retunda look like in terms of from a staff perspective or Community perspective and so that's where I I I I'm gonna throw this out and don't like it but I I I want to go north I like that I like the

117new facility let's let's get a fresh start but I also at for cost purposes I do we also include that okay this is this is this is the future we want to go this is alternative we could do we know we want new but this is what renovation looks like and we take that to the committee I think you're probably if if you if you if the board decides that we want to try to build new and we try to pass a bond and it fails I think you're going to end up pursuing that second solution anyway what is just renovation at that point you do that to the committee right out of the game and get there buy in for this concept I would rather do that in that setting than I would in

118the public setting trying to pass it and defend it at least at least at least gives us a litmus test of is there support in the community and the staff to and what questions do we need to answer before I think we need to figure out exact like we want to do new what does new look like does it look like to building shortened or yeah what that new is and then what renovation and then what the renovation piece bring two options instead of giving them eight options like well that's that was kind of my goal from the start today because it's because we have too many options too yeah um we can do that we can we can we can have them detail out option one option two option one is build new to

119the north yeah how much is that what can we get option two is we renovate what we have period I guess and West if well well that's the question I said I'm not I guess I'm not figuring that I'm saying if if we're doing option two it is renovate that old building renovate the EG shop well I probably no new locker rooms no new weight room no new nothing um I don't I don't know that I want to get that skinny I'm curious I I still I still like the idea about abandoning the rund just about abandon retunda you're still willing to add on for 10 12 million yeah or first is trying to go north for 12 maybe 14 with and I'm not talking a 124 million Bond I'm just talking about project cost

120go north for 14 what can we get done doing that or do we add on for p yeah and renovate renov that 119 still includes the elementary I still look at option three and go okay that's we can get almost every everything we want out of this out of that number and and from the contingency ourselves North do we take out the tennis court and all that parking you take out the parking I don't think anybody be opposed to taking out the tennis court what was it games the other day we had anyway I've never seen that in our field would give us more parking that direction too let alone Bren am I ask am I because we've got a lot of options at are renovating I go back to two and three those are

121the those are the ones that seem like that sounds like a completely different discussion than we've been having I thought you were saying one or four that's what I thought you were saying but one or four doesn't have Renovations of the Rotunda for for for does renovating the whole building and then just does the C oh that to the one number four going to the north instead I guess yeah the feeling I was getting was that you weren't terribly interested in building to the west but we were we were pursuing either building to the north renovating the building no I I I I mean I like the West build option I like I I go in the little theater and I look at again it's in the same context it's so rough it is it

122is uh we have done so many great updates to our school and it is not one of them that we've done anything put in our ad and stuff has mentioned you know our gym gets hammered for every activity because we have no other SP to the floor and all you know just and so a bigger Auditorium like on number two or three going west gives us a bigger Auditorium space to move some of those things out there that and I feel like we have the space to go there obvious you have to out I redirect the driveway the only question I have to that is how can can you build that so you can add the classrooms as you need them if you know at a later time to my understanding that's the way that's

123the way the classrooms were added for option three option three was just the main and then you can add the classrooms on and in a conversation I had with him too he said you know you could down the road add that same thing onto the north side you could okay that's what I wasn't sure you could you could set that up to do that I just look at it I I go back to that 11 n on three that it gets us the things we need and that and so okay so the community so $12 million we're going north and abandoning the Rotunda this we're going to keep the Rotunda still maybe save a little bit maybe save a little bit keeping the r we're keep rotunda and what we're going to renovate and add

124our C and space room because you have I I'm when you when you make the decision to abandon the Rotunda that is still a cost that sits on you in the future you got to plan on L you got to plan plan on a lunchroom in an auditorium in that North space and so to me you're not done that's that's the question for the architect if we're going north whatever the concept is we do have to plan for not just classro CTE lunchroom auditor so that would be question number one to go we can't do that what's that look like and what's that cost yeah that's my in a skinny we can get it Whatever It Is option whatever there's there's a you're taking taking classroom out and replacing it so one thing just to

125make sure of on on option three I talked with Greg when we were looking at option two that we could move art out to one of those added classrooms and make the art room become the office that was just my question so on off option three it's putting the office where the art room is but there's no place to go so you're you're taking a classroom out and not and not replacing it in that option yet you got to figure out where where is that classroom going to be already minimum one classroom short Jan has room this year because so option three option three doesn't add it doesn't it not only doesn't add any classroom space it actually takes some away so you so you are you would have to do an addition for an

126office and that and that's where that next one came where they've got start putting classrooms along that new addition to the West because you got to start replacing some it's about two yeah samam do you have any opinions on any of this since you're here you've heard the discussion all all the points are very valid um um I I kind of liked where at one point where we were with keeping the number where you wanted it and growing into it say for example that option one that is um not the not the long option one but the option one that's condensed and building the entire thing and they say we want this for $10 million what can you do for $10 million we can build a shell and you get three classrooms and then or

127four classrooms and then the next year we put 500,000 into the uh AB shop or the wood shop and move one out at a time and make that just step stair step then the next year we build three more classrooms three more classrooms the downfall on that and and an X Factor is we would have to continue to rely on the HVAC for the kitchen and the and those and that rotunda for that interim period um but then that could possibly be they talked even about phasing in areas of it if we go with rooftop units where we could do just this just a little theater just the library that's the advantage of the rooftop units is you can do partial partial parts of the building you could real easily cap this at 10 million

128or 11 million or whatever if you do it where it's we're just getting the shell and here's our plan community and we'll get three extra classrooms then in one year you'll get a new a shop and another year you'll get a new wood shop and then as we move the a shop uh or the wood shop for example then we can repurpose that area where the weight room moves and now we have another locker room and we have another classroom the yeah and the thing I like I like that plan too when we were talking about that earlier I like I like that it's phased I like that it spreads out the cost over years and I like that it kind of seems to address the priorities in order like our our priority our priority

129is to get new CTE space but that's not the Urgent priority the Urgent priority is to H is climate control yeah be able to somewhere if H pack fails right so you know it's IT addresses those needs and it probably addresses them in the right order and and I could be 100% wrong though if the HVAC dies next winter and we have a giant building that's empty and has no walls and no classrooms and well I think I think you're on the right track I think you do have to out or classrooms and just have you got to have some of it the spots can I don't want to try to sell a bond where we're just building a big empty building well you gotta be able to finish some of it I and I

130like I like that idea again this is some questions I could get from Greg though as a novice my assumption is all the electrical is going to be done the entire building as it's built right and so should be so how much of that is upfront cost and how much does it really cost to put up two walls in a door carpet and you know what I mean so I think the bigger they can run the electrical they can run all of the wiring stuff but do not have to actually Plum it in and it be live right but I guess I'm just saying is that initial cost I think is going be bigger than what we think and the the labor will be yeah you're going to know where the pluming needs to be

131you're going to need to have it buried in the right well and like I said I think Greg's more than happy to get us whatever we need but working but I guess now that we got four instead of three I kind of Happ to go the other way that's what I was trying to do too I would like to have no more than two to kind of get more into the weeds and then maybe even at our next meeting in the 10th got to get one and really get so which way West whatever option one looks like which is going north either two buildings one finished one not or just space finished and space not finished in one building or whatever to me that's our one option we're going north and power we can get

132that down to 102 million maybe 14 finish space unfinish space that's option one and option two is go wet yeah with a bigger Auditorium and CTE and hopefully that little classrooms because I think you're talking about the same amount of money I think you and what if both options come back at $18 million that's then you start asking exactly what you did and or what Sam did and you say okay this is what my money this is how much I want is this how much we're able to go with how much can I absolutely get done for this that includes the HVAC and everything and then my suspicion my suspicion is those those two options that you're talking about right there are probably are very similar in cost but I don't know that well that's

133what like option two is if you take out the contingency and all that stuff it's 14 yeah you know and to go north you know it's some variation of 15 13 to you know as much as 20 if you were just but I'm talking about 12,000 option going north and 12,000 option going west that's yeah okay then option three is $4 million fix the HB and we don't do a damn thing else yeah I mean I yeah I mean if we're trying to come out of here with two directions to go there's I mean I know that's still three but I think okay all in but the two that you want us to explore are that the first two that you said there I mean I think we all kind of know what the option

134three that the the basic I mean he's pretty much given us that cost is somewhere around $4 million to just it just fixed the problem period doesn't fix anything else doesn't make anything new doesn't build any CTE space doesn't add a secure entry doesn't do nothing else like Bron's idea of taking that option one go north and eventually abandon the retunda or we keep the retunda and it's basically the same money I think I think we can end up spending the same money what we get for that money I is a little bit up in the air but I think we're going to spend 12 plus going either direction I think you're right hey would it would it be easier to just set a ceiling and say hey Greg based on option one what does

135this look like spending no more than x amount of money I think putting that allowing him to manipulate that money wise instead of me saying what if you just he's gonna know how to cut money faster so what so what is what's the ceiling and then basically going north or going west with contingency or without I what's it I he's going to pass that you would have build aeny into this or not I think realistically like I I don't know if anything passes over well like I think we've all come to that same conclusion brand I would say see what he could do for 10 million without contingency and then I don't know like and I think that'll give us like this is what we could have and this is probably going to be our

136Max it's like we're going to see what we can get for 10 and that's I can do that and i' I'd sit at 12 with you know and we have we if we've got a PLL to or take that to that's where we feel like we've got to be and find to fund that in other ways I hate for him to cut some things out that just to get to 10 just to get to 10 if we if we think 12's the match number let's go to 12 and then if we've got to skinny it down I think we can excuse me I think if you if you pursue that option of like Sam was talking about where it's maybe phased over a few years too that that changes the way those costs look a

137little bit too you may maybe it's not quite so much up front but you also better figure in what those future costs are too if you're you know if you're going to build a shell here but then finish classrooms in year one two you better know what those cost can as that for that in your stages so phase two is going to cost us this much and start here start here phase three is gonna cost us what is the funding source that's important too because if if you can figure out how to phase that and and work with those future years mostly coming out of capital outlay dollars hopefully that can make that initial cost a lot less you know you can also went so in a you're what what you're getting is authority to

138borrow yes but you don't have to do it all up front just because the committee gives you $10 million of bonding Authority doesn't mean you have Doan you have to take all 10 right out of the gate so if we were to phase this you could could almost I don't but what I don't know is are you are you only required to tax on the bond that you borrowed or do you have to tax for all of them I think it's all of it and I think that's I I wouldn't get this out I would celebrate this to to the whole world but if you take all it right away too you're not going to spend all it right away you can also Cruise some interest on that idle money as well which will help

139we're not we're not right that's the other thing if you end up not needing that full amount then you can pay pay that back saying if we're seriously stage let's say it's 12 we spend three in this year but three in three years you know or some or five or whatever you could maybe accelerate your bond payments yes I wasn't sure about the taxing you have you have a lot of flexibility on that and yeah ideally you find a way to pay that back even faster and you don't end up with the those are questions I have to get with Clayton at yeah I just have tax okay so do you do you want me to give him the the ceiling of 10 or 12 I mean 10 10 without contingency so 12 dis I

140think 12 I 12 including the contingency yeah and then I'll talk to him about phasing I I want to I for to say this I don't want to be overzealous and allotting too much capital A each year to handcuff us so you know is at 350 to 400 you know I mean and that's something we get in the weeks later on but you're gonna have to bring that to us with some data I we didn't even have a capital outlay Mill until about four years seven it wasn't it wasn't very much we just accelerated in 21 that's where we build another those five to seven year budgets like we did several years ago that the buses in it that has the gym Floy refinishing it has the suburb all part of it's got to be

141it's got to all be part the plan because the thing like I said, finish this class what we can't do is get in a bind where we've committed all this money and then suddenly oh crap now we need another $400,000 for X that we didn't plan on you know that's we got to have have a five or 10 year plan heting Elementary when did that go in 07 eight nine 10 so what about 20 years you need to look at oh it's not I mean how long do you need to look at lifespan of 25 that's that's what this one is I'm around 60 [Laughter] so the nice thing about the elementary system is though the way we did it the way it's set up you could do it component by you can do classro

142by classro now because most newer stuff doesn't last as long as the older stuff and that's that's got three different so they alternate too so Rel likeing better not getting wore out as much as single the CLS okay so what I've got so far I was we're gonna I'm gonna get back with him a 12 mil million cap for option one going north option two going west also helping how we could phase in four or six classrooms possibly PR year at and I'll I'll work with Janet we figure out what that number is maybe it's 300,000 I don't know but again my my assumption is the adding of classrooms isn't going to be grand scheme of things very minimal putting up walls in the door everything else should be set up ready to go for

143the most part and that could be WR it's happened a lot all you have to do is get this electrical panel set up correctly and and you could even dead head some wiring that's I'm saying walls will be to run power down the wall I mean how you're inating or whatnot maybe get a little bit over our skis on like well we can well it's unfinished space at $80 a square foot well you throw a kitchen in the corner uh that's going to I mean won't be a lot but it's going to add to it sure all your plumbing and stuff be more than classroom right but I don't know that they're accounting for that and $80 is worth is what I'm saying I would have say you're correct yeah that's just yeah okay other

144things you want me to go to Greg with on that that's kind of my notes right now but I think you make sure and ask him that about the plumbing said the unfa part you know understood that they're going to come back at 120 square foot or something than 80 I mean I just like well if we're going to Plum this thing then going to add am of so if we're trying to get to 12 they got to for that I still like the question of why we went from 3 to 350 and spare question that's AIC Chun and that when he sent me all those new ones I I didn't ask that specific question he said these are updated numbers with 20 2 market value so I'm sure do this for half this right

145and so I'm not a farmer I say that Wills would he be building that shed for right next to his place there because that would be a great wood shop not that's why I can't wrap my head around a million dollar parking lot I'm like man we can get some dozers up there and we throw some rock out I gu we can get that done for like 20 grand theth on with this outfit I think we can save that money if it's there to save I'm not sure where we were outs I think it was like they were going to extract all that money because that's what we passed for a bond and that's what we said project cost we're SP yeah I I still feel like we made the right decision on on going

146down the other path I I think that was I don't think anybody felt good about the way that was going so okay um I will hopefully have all that back the 10 are these all in the drive they I can't find anything on I either I will oh it's gonna be a reference with you okay there's no folder in here that says no they would have been put in the meeting maybe at some point this needs to go into reference materials into a folder I can create one I don't know what it's called meeting it was I can't even actually original CTE building it doesn't have any the more current stuff so many things yeah we still got a little bit more to go here okay well that was that was helpful that was good

147discussion I appreciate everybody um hang on you got more facility stuff she I mean say sorry no I was that's fine if you're getting there that's um okay well I'm sure your staff hasn't K under the table um what I was gonna say but we'll we'll segue um is that I assume we're going to probably need to do this again um outside of regular board meetings we need to have some more discussions on all of this and so I I'm asking all of you to be available umid probably to to it I feel like the discussion is is better when we don't have two two or three hours of other stuff that we need to cover either before or after we get here so I I know it's asking you guys of extra time but

148I I like having the time to focus on on one thing so okay now we'll segue Lacy give you an opportunity here um I know that you may feel that my building is being neglected there's some things that are happening in it and we all have to work together for the better and I appreciate that mindset that's so you know maybe the end goal is to have one campus that would be awesome I would love to be neighbors again to in the pre room yeah but you gotta be potty PR but you know let's work together let's make this do do things to better our kids better our community our County those conversations are going to come and I can well as your staff hears about what discussing I think it's critical that you know

149they Le feel like they they have anue to share that with you and then you relay that to us or whatever you all figure out to do that but or staff's an important piece of you know helping us we're never going to do anything this about person number one it is and hopefully make sure that both of you feel like you're welcome and and open to share any of these ideas I mean it just if I don't if I don't ask you know tell me if there's things that that you guys have thoughts on on this CU at the end of all of this we're not the ones that are going to be hanging out in these buildings you guys are so um you know we we need your input too please don't feel like

150you're not welcome to share anything um in regards to what we're talking about here so we appreciate the ability to have feedback that's been limited and I that's why I'm saying I don't want it to be limited and if I'm if I'm limiting it in some way please feel free to speak up and and and share with us because that's a lot more we kind get the scope we start details those things one of the things I think that was brought up and we've talked as administrative team teachers perspective is we're looking at this whatever the new spaces or change spaces might be is teachers need to have a better work room you know they need to have workroom Lounge um both buildings right now it's a closet essentially without a door um and so

151you know that's one thing that may not be a big price tag but I think it pay dividends to staff is provide them with some space so I can tell you that one of my interviews yesterday there was concern of the safety of the of the it's problem and it's it's one that I don't I don't know how we address that that those two separate building thing we you know we we got we went down that road with before trying to figure out how we could connect those two buildings or put some kind of a Breezeway Breezeway or something it's it goes against everything the survey tells us in putting anything we use it that's a struggle I have with what survey says because I yeah I don't want to use that 100y old building

152anymore got we got we got to for the gym we we don't actually got to for everything else in that building except the gym that building age of it bones of that building is in excellent shape after going to some gyms like it's not a bad gym but you know they moved us out my seventh grade year my eighth grade year we had moved to the high school because that building was condemned and couldn't be used and oh want I know that was the excuse they were using and that's a long time ago when I was in seventh grade trust me I know my dad was the first class that went all four years new school right yeah there's no you want to use no you want do you want better $10 million replace it

153no yeah exactly okay well I I will get that I'll get hold of Greg later today and try to get some answers before that stop okay do have one for sure the first if we're done with that how much time do you need maybe 10 minutes 10 minutes 20 so let's go to 10:15 just you yeah Mr President exective session Mr pres to discuss confid student information exception relating to actions adversely or favorably affecting the student on coma the open meeting will resume at the B 10 15 all those in favor 60 okay back in back in Open Session um I don't I don't think I have anything else does anybody else have any last thoughts for the cause Okay um then I would entertain a motion to adjourn so move second all those in

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