School Board Meeting - Study Session: March 6, 2025

001welcome everyone it's so good to be here with everyone we are meeting today on the 6th of March which is a Thursday 2025 we are in the boardroom on Legacy campus it is 5:31 and um Randall baggley will oh first we'll have roll call sorry we'll start with Randall uh with roll call Randall baggley board member Terry rhods board member Jared black business administrator Roger Paul for board member Brian Chambers board member Todd mcke superintendent Kathy christansen board member Alan gry board member Jeff neelon board member thank you all for being here 100% way to go uh Randall in the pledge of mission statement please rise everyone I pled Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and

002justice for all our mission is to educate students for success in a changing world thank you r uh first up we have an Architects and construction update that will be presented by Bruce Parker so glad to see you thanks for coming we look forward to your uh great videos every month I hope I'm not worrying at my welcome no absolutely not all right here we go and wonder can we there we go well so as as I've done in the past I've always started off with a photo of where we were at a month ago this is a hide Park um so here's here's where we've progressed today it might not be real apparent that what the changes are but you'll see that in the on the left hand side of the building that's area

003a is that first section and ab b c c is the top corner and then d e f and coming on around but anyway way you'll see that in area A and B we've now the walls have now gone up to almost the roof level on the second floor um and the height of the the ICF walls is continuing to to progress in the rest of the the building we're sticking with that accelerated schedule that we were projecting that they would finish the ICF at the end of March and we're still we're still on target for that um so I I believe I mentioned last time that that were two to three months ahead of schedule um because of the speed that these guys are putting up the ICF it's it's it's uh it's impressive

004to watch but they're and what I understand is they're getting far enough along that they're finding they've got extra man Manpower that they really don't need on this job and so probably as early as next week they're going to send a crew over to nibbly to help push that one along um and so that's that's the progress that's visible from from our aerial photos the interior down on the first level and that in area A and B the interior wall framing is progressing along with installation of uh uh Plumbing electrical systems as you can see from the photos there um some random photos I I struggle with what can I show them because I could show them the same pictures as last month they might not tell the difference this is just a different part

005of the building from what I showed you last month so until we really start seeing the roof structure go on it it it won't look like there's a lot of change uh which by the way should start happening around the first part of April um the the roof joist and trusses are scheduled to be delivered this month and the begin begin the installation of those components uh at that time and then you'll really see a difference once the roof goes on and we get a membrane up there to keep it dry then drywall can start and so until then you it won't look like much is going on inside um this is now take you over to nibi uh this was a month ago the the difference here is not quite as apparent you can

006see though that the uh as I've explained in the past their methodology is a little different they're taking the walls full height before any of the steel structure gets installed and they're just progressing around um but their progress is is is good they're they're right on our projected schedule um so we're happy about that uh just a few random photos that I took uh from ground level this is the Elevator Shaft that you can see there right in the center of the photo um looking to the east side of area C and they are beginning interior wall framing there as well as well as Plumbing electrical systems beginning installation there so we're happy with with the way things are going I haven't really encountered any major glitches uh progressing about as smoothly as any project

007I've been involved on so I'm quite encouraged smooth is good it is good the the elementary school just to update you on that uh we're expecting the 95% set of drawings on Monday that's just to kind of give everybody a chance to do a quick final review before we produce the final 100% set which is scheduled to be released and and put out on the street for bid on the 25th of this month with the bids due back to the contractor on the 10th of April so we're moving ahead with that too that's going well as well so exciting anyone have question questions who's the contractor for the elementary school dwa construction they were awarded all of the projects as kind of as a single package okay looks good thank you right thank you Bruce

008so exciting to see you every month we see you again all right in May I think is an understand uh next up we have the student internship report presented by Joseph Johnson and Amber jine perfect thanks for having us um so we just wanted to give you an update on the work based learning and our internships at our high schools um so first of all that slide that you can see for last school year um just in total numbers um we had 90 um total interns throughout all four high schools um we had in terms of Industry Partners around 50 um industry partners that we were actively working with um to place these interns um some of the issues that we were facing is just lack of standardized paperwork um throughout all four high schools

009um and ensuring that we were following um State um policies with that we also had no specified marketing how to increase program um as a districtwide for students parents and also our industry Partners um some of the successes that we have seen this year um is we have over 200 plus um industry partners that we are working with um most of these industry Partners have agreed to come to the schools to present to Mentor students to host interns um and all and so it has been a huge success um Amber and I working with these industry partners and bringing them into the school um and having them work with our students um this year with third trimester we are over 177 interns so we've doubled the amount of interns that we have placed um and

010that number is growing we just accepted three more interns and so it's awesome to see we're also hoping that this summer we'll also have um internships that we can place as well so it's it's growing um tremendously we've also seen um Amber's done a lot of work on this but six industry sponsored scholarships um where they are giving scholarships to our internship students um another number on this because we haven't tracked it because something that we didn't expect fully but um we're starting to track is a lot of our industry partners are hiring our students um one of the success stories we just had is we placed a student at a local Dentistry working with a D hygienist um they've hired that student and are going to be paying for her um Dental not assisting

011um schooling and training um which is absolutely awesome to see we've had other Industries hire students um and also pay our interns which is phenomenal we've had a lot of success with that um of Industry Partners going well they're doing the work for us we want to pay them for that work who are the six industries that are doing the scholarships um this yeah for the scholarship so Health Science we're working with three different Assisted Living centers that are paying for CNA and um Beyond really um then we have Advanced Heating and restoration or let's see Advanced Heating and Air Conditioning and they're doing an advanced manufacturing um program with btech so they're paying for that program and then the third one is construction with Visionary homes so they're paying for $3,000 scholarship for students

012to continue so yeah and that was really one of the needs we saw last year was that we needed some carrots you know for our students and um really to try and sell you know why these internships are important and getting them on the job training and our businesses have really enjoyed having them in their in their in their buildings so where are the 200 Industry Partners from they're from all over the valley Valle and they're from all different Pathways within cash uhhuh we have some online business partners that do online so we've had one that works with the Caps Network that's doing like a social media um type thing so they meet through Zoom with that industry partner so can I ask you one more question on the scholarships yeah so like for me

013if I'm just hanging out with somebody who has a business what would I say to them to say hey you want to sponsor a scholarship for one of the kids in your business yeah so we we talk about this often Amber is the one that's been doing this it really starts with first just getting them into the schools um and then yeah to into our school our high schools showing them what we're actually teaching these students um a lot of the our industry Partners don't fully realize what training um our students get in our CTE courses So when you say get them you're talking about the business yes get our industry Partners first you know if we go off first you know give us money for our students um it's it's not the greatest pitch

014um but getting them into the school seeing what we're actually teaching these students and that our teachers are super qualified and highly qualified to give this type of training to the students that then prepare them to come and work for these industries um and then once they're taking interns and they see that is having that conversation of you know these kids can go on Beyond this and get training and they need help so I have one more yeah I'm sorry for Interruption no this is great I'm curious we'd rather have more questions than um do you have business cards we can have yes we've got plenty we brought some tonight and we've got others that we can give you yeah I think the key with working with our indry Partners has really been showing them

015the benefit of partnering with our schools um a lot of our businesses locally are having a hard time getting people in the workplace that have the skills that they're in need of and so for them to see what we're teaching students and what our end goal is of helping them to meet all our graduation requirements and being prepared for the workplace is really our end goal and so when they see that we have that common goal in getting students in the right fit in the right place with the right people um they're really excited to be a part of it and as Joe was saying you know as they're hiring these kids that they're that want to be there it makes them really excited to partner with us so it's been really excited for actually

016it is excited it's so much fun to see the success um and our students are absolutely enjoying this you know they've they've learned all these things but now they actually get to apply it um in an actual um work environment and you know we have some students that come back and go man this is not for me I do not want to go in that field better to learn right and that and that's a success that we talk about with our students yeah can I ask what's the dental office that's doing the scholarship um it's Dental Associates just by Sam's Club okay yep I'm going to the dentist but that's not the one I'm going to yeah yeah so we need more industry Partners as as we can get so um I don't know how

017much more time but we can just talk about this briefly this is how our students document their internship um this is how we document it also for the state what the state looks at as they audit our our program um we use LinkedIn but we also use Google sites um for students that parents and all have a concern with with LinkedIn so this is just some of the successes and some of our students um and where they've worked at you know we've had students at Blackstone um Physical Therapy offices um veterinary offices all throughout the state one great thing is students can when they use this they can put all of those certifications that they receive in our CTE courses um on that and show the things that they're doing in their class we encourage

018students to put their projects um on their LinkedIn so that they can show industry Partners what they're actually doing and we've seen success with this as well of students after their internships getting scholarships and companies reaching out to them um to talk with them so any other question oh go and talk about this yeah so just one of the things looking ahead um on April 17th we're having an industry impact Summit this is the first time we've done something like this in our school district and we're really excited about it um we're sending out about 250 to 300 invitations to current Partners as well as new partners um we've kind of gone through our our list of Partnerships and Tred to find what our holes are um and where we really can start building some

019of those programs and Partnerships in our school um but industry will come into the school district and we're going to feed them some lunch and talk about ways that they can partner with us and the RN goal is to help them too right we want this partnership to be a mutual thing that they're also benefiting from um in helping them to find students that can be potential employees for them down the road so um those things that we'll talk about are participating in our classrooms being guest speakers um participating in career fairs but then also are you interested in sponsoring a scholarship or hosting a student intern or providing a project that we can use in our new C program that we're going to be starting up this next year so so a lot of

020really cool ways um for industry to be involved and I think a lot of the local companies too enjoy ways of uh finding ways to give back to to our community and so it's just a really great way to build those Partnerships so remember when did you say that is it's on April 17th I have an invitation here if you want we'd love to get an invitation to each of you yeah we love picture of it maybe yeah and there's a QR code on the back where um we're asking industry to RSV P so we can get account for what we what we plan for but the goal is to give them information and have them take it back to their own companies and have hopefully an exciting conversation about how they can be involved

021with us um and then the hope is that as we build those Partnerships we can go back to our teachers um at a future professional development date and have our teachers visit with industry partner and get that partners and get that face to face time with them as well so we're excited we think it'll be really cool any other questions that we can answer about this I'll just say I think what you're doing is awesome I love it and everyone yeah thank you perect all right thank you thank you thanks thanks so much for coming another exciting thing in our district okay next we have Dave gets to come back and talk about fees again poor guy anyway never get to get rid of you um IH Sports um Rich Hall met with me just

022this past week to discuss some Financial adjustments and increases that they're they're experiencing um to see how we could you know accommodate accommodate that and um so as we looked at some different options on now this is for the sports performance training uh that we have on our our fee on our fees um he gave several different options and after discussing that with our athletic directors and our principles our recommendation is to increase our uh the maximum fee by an additional $10 then what we had requested last month to meet their increasing costs and so so uh that's uh so that's an adjustment they I was hoping that they could have done that before our first I talked to him but uh they've kind of gone now from local hospital to now the corporate and

023they've been putting pressure and he's been really doing a good job of kind of trying to keep our cost down but that was something that uh that uh we discussed and so we're asking that we uh add 10 extra dollars to that overall fee what did they do in Sports Performance training so the sports performance training is there's an inseason and there's an out of season so the inseason is part of that fifth hour class that uh that they have where they have uh depending on the number of kids one to two of their their professional trainers come and they do a lot of their conditioning their training um this is in season uh before they start their practicing and their practicing starts after school and so and the coach is kind of involved with

024that too what some of the different depending on the on the sport so that's that inseason train that they have and that's uh during the season uh for uh a little over an hour okay and and that uh then after school they they bring in people who are at of season and they pay also a fee and they're incre we're increasing that on um that's going to be increased to to $70 um and they do the same thing but it's out of season and so if you're uh and so they're conditioning and and weight train is a little bit different so people choose to do that to kind of get ready for the next season so how many sessions is that so you said it's before after school is it no it's every day every

025day all trimester we kind of did some figuring actually Ryan green and I and it would it's a little less than $2 a time that they would they would be coming if they um so uh at at that increased and at that increased price it's just the increases that ring so that's our recommendation all right thank you any other questions for Dave all right thanks Dave oh I wanted to tell you thanks for section A on the fee schedule I really appreciate section A with all the general information for parents and students that is so helpful to spell it out at the top of that fee schedule thanks for doing that welcome sorry all right well thank you um we've had a few questions about our Ela curriculum come up in the last little bit

026so we thought we would give you just a midyear report on how our our year is going so far just a reminder we adopted new Ela curriculum at the end of last year so this is our very first year of implementing this curriculum in seventh or 6th through 12th grade um so we wanted to start by sharing some teacher feedback that we've collected one of the things we we decided we wanted to start the the our first year with was feedback from teachers and that we would we want to collect it each year so we can compare how people feel over time um so we did send out a teacher survey at the end of second trimester when most teachers have finished at least half of the curriculum some teachers at the high school have

027finished all of it so well not so was that survey randomized or was it self- selected you send it to everyone and then those who chose to yes right okay y so you have seven grades listed but only six sections on the yes 12 we didn't have anyone answer for 12 12 grade because we don't have very many teachers using it in the 12th grade um because most students take concurrent or AP or one of the many other options they have in 12th grade yeah so we had 66 responses um from our students and we asked them what are three um adjectives that describe how you're feeling so this kind of gives you an overview of how they're feeling right now you can see some of the biggest words those are the most commonly um

028used words so we see that they're they're still learning and feeling a little bit of frustration um which is to be expected anytime we adopt a new curriculum um it's a big lift for teachers so this was 66 out of how many about 120 okay yes about half all right so our um first question was they're satisfied with the quality and Effectiveness so mostly positive or neutral if you negatives um this one is that the curriculum gives them resources to efficiently prepared a teach a lesson and we've got the line share of teachers on the upper end of that scale which is great to see and then an opportunity to build Knowledge and Skills in ela again upper end they're they're feeling mostly positive there this one is the ease of use um some examples

029given were for lesson planning delivering instruction providing feedback grading um and you'll see you can see the breakdown there a lot of teachers are feeling that it is easy to use and then is it aligned to or do they feel that it's aligned to the Utah Ela standards and those were new um and published in 2023 so they're still also learning the new standards as well um and again they feel that it's aligned this one was focused on professional learning um focused on using the curriculum and how um beneficial that's been to help them to be successful um this one's been mixed mixed reviews as you can see most teachers are feeling pretty neutral um and later on the presentation we'll talk about some plans that we have to address that and then um do

030they have the support they need so it it seems that they do feel that they have the support they need there's a few I wish it was all positive um I mean I wish it was all positive on all of them but we have room to grow and then um we took their their kind of comments and tried to distill some some Salient points for you here um what they do like about it so there's clear structure and consistency um and these are actual quotes from teachers from our from our survey instrument um so you can see that they like the framework is already aligned to the standards p facing that's keeping everyone in the school on the same page and I would add to that um we've got more districtwide collaboration happening than ever

031before um which has really been cool to see um they like the quality of the texts um their strong writing and critical thinking they think that it's rigorous um promoting critical thinking uh there's built-in data and assessments which we'll show you some data um here in just a moment uh the teacher resources are friendly um every lesson it's um is editable and every lesson or most lessons I should say provide a pre-made Google Slides presentation that teachers have full editing rights to take it as a base and then um adjust it to to their needs and then uh meaningful discussions uh the rich discussions that um students are able to have um every unit is focused on a an essential question so like for example sixth grade unit 2 is um what does it take

032to achieve success and that's kind of what they study for for five to seven weeks through texts and um discussion and writing reflection things of that nature so um and then like 11th grade another example they're they read The Crucible which that's a that's a standard that most of us probably are familiar with the storyline for that and the question there is um what is the relationship between truth and Justice and they investigate that as they as they read so um those are some great things that teachers reported liking about it and we asked what teachers don't like um many said that it was too repetitive and that they were feeling a little like Groundhog Day and that their students were complaining a little bit about that um they felt that it was lacking some

033of the Grammar and Writing instruction that they would like to see so they feel like they need to supplement that quite a bit um the prep and Tech integration it doesn't translate as easily as they would like it to between canvas and power school for grading um so that's been a challenge for some of them um not enough support for diverse Learners um they feel like it hasn't been as accessible for their sped or El students so we'll have to look at ways that we can beef it up a little bit there um they do feel there is limited teacher autonomy so they they've mentioned while it it's not scripted they do say it's feels scripted um they want to have some more options for adding in their own personality and then too few novels

034there's really only one no one year has two right yeah um but there's mainly just one novel per year and you know many of our English teachers got into teaching English because they love teaching novels so that's been something that they're disappointed by can you change that or does it have to stay the way it is we've we've got some some sites that are um doing creative things and we're collaborating with the librarian around that so for example um their every unit has um or most units have suggested or or the the Librarians are taking that um essential question and then they're going through their Library Collections and they're going in book talking in classes and checking books out to kids right then and there so kids are encouraged to read independently outside of their

035their main classroom novel um but yeah I mean that's a long answer to your question of but it doesn't really answer it cuz what I wanted to know is can you change it so they do more than one novel in class yeah or not we we can explore the It's Tricky with the pacing um and this year with our first with our first go around yeah we didn't want to try to bite on that but um yeah we can definitely explore that with our um districtwide teams we've got a team for every grade level with um a teacher representative um from all the schools not for sixth grade because that would be a pretty big committee but um for all of the secondary schools we have representation from every single school so um and this

036is just a a overview of the units for grades six seven and8 you can see the um thematic focus and then um the skill focus there um and there are six units across the year we're set we set out with a goal for two units per trimester um again pacing is always a struggle the first time you do anything um so there's been some Growing Pains there but um we've got plans to get together and and figure out how to make the timeline um work so that we can achieve that and this is our ninth through 12th grade so a a change that we implemented this year that's also a growing pain is we used to have a standalone literature class and a standalone writing class so they took 10th grade writing and 10th grade

037literature and we have streamlined it I don't well streamline is probably not the right word but um it is now a cohesive um two trimester course so they cover four units per year um in each grade so it's two units per trimester is this me yeah okay this is so you have um you have this presentation and if you're interested in looking at the more detailed full scope and sequence document it's linked there at the top and then you can see here the list of novels broken down by grade level as Brit Britney mentioned 11th grade does have two novels they have a choice between um The Great Gatsby or Their Eyes Were Watching God and then also The Crucible and then 12th grade although we only have a couple of teachers is currently teaching

038that um they do have two novels they read Frankenstein Frankenstein and O in um 12a and 12b and um we do have on occasion a student or a parent who wants to opt their student out of the curriculum for whatever reason it might be the students uncomfortable with the it's usually because the student uncomfortable with whatever they're reading so we did want to kind of talk about how we've encouraged teachers to respond respond to that um we've given them a guidance document that gives them some suggested steps um a couple of years ago the legislature passed a curriculum participation waiver um law that students can opt out by right of conscious conscience at any time and so we've trained all of our teachers on that um and then just told them if a student or

039a parent opts out essentially they need to just work with the student um they're not supposed to ask the student why but they can ask the parent what are your concerns about it so we don't want to put on the student now student can certainly volunteer that information but the the teacher isn't supposed to say why don't you like this um but they we've encouraged them to ask the parent what would be a reasonable alternative to this so that that can kind of get to the behind what the concerns are so if it's what the theme of the reading is or if it's just one particular scene in a novel they can potentially skip that or skip that day or if they need to find an entire unit to to have the student make up

040outside of the classroom they can do that um so we've given them a list of steps for how to address those and um Mo most of the time it's to it's giving the student an option to read something else and um maybe go work in the library for that day or in another classroom for that day if it's for a whole unit well they've been asked to kind of consult with us to discuss what are our options going forward cuz if it's a significant portion of the trimester it's harder for a student to do that independently so um theyve just we've asked them to consult with us and we can help them solve that problem so I imagine that it's um hard for adolescents to be told to go to the library or go to

041another class because that singles them out that oh you are too good or you're too you know then they get labeled about whatever you're whatever adolescence are so nice to each other they can be yes they can yes um anyway um so I'm not sure that's a great solution is there something else that teachers can do well it's really hard to do something else because they would have to if it's an let's say it's an entire novel they would have to change the entire novel and then they wouldn't be teaching the same thing as the rest of their their team and they would have to come up with new lessons and and that we wouldn't be able to really stick with our scope and sequence um for a an article or something they might be

042able to give the student an alternate article to read that might be able to fit in with the whatever they're discussing so there's a whole list of supplemental texts for each unit so they could select a different text text that the student could read that could follow along with a theme potentially depending on what the lesson is may I ask which one of the novels people are having the most concerns with um it's honestly been The Giver with sixth grade sorry for rolling my eyes no um the the what where we've heard the mo some of the most heartburn has been the suspense unit in grade also but that's not a novel it's a collection of short stories um so some of the teachers have selected the supplemental texts in lie of the primary texts

043on those ones an example of a text in that unit is The Telltale Heart by Ed girlan Poe oh that one's scary the unit is focused on how do authors create suspense so right um and you have a link here to the supplemental text if you're interested just to see um what what they're suggesting for text selection okay assessment results um so I'll just go to this one so um our grades 6 through eight at the um midpoint of the year they um take a mid midyear um assessment there are three obviously there's a beginning mid and there will be an end um these assessments are very similar in nature to um what they'll see On The Rise um and they consist of three reading passages with 25 to 35 multiple choice questions and you'll

044see in yellow this is our district average on the midyear assessment and in blue that's the national average um so our students are um consistently outperforming um other students on the same assessment Nationwide which is great to see we love it this is um the growth so as I mentioned there's beginning and middle of year assessments um the blue kind of um shaded area that's the Nationwide growth and then the yellow bars are the sixth seventh and eighth grade our district growth so our seventh and eighth grade are exceeding the their peers Nationwide and sixth grade is right on par with them so that's great to see too not just proficiency but growth what do the numbers on the left axis represent the just the um the number of points of growth oh all right

045I should to put a label over there and this is the midyear assessment average for our high schools um grades 9 through 12 and they take a pre-assessment and the midyear assessment in trimester a and you can see that for most of our um grade well for 9th and 10th were above the national average 11th were right right there and then um for 12th grade we are a little bit below something to keep in mind for the 12th grade again we don't offer a lot of 12th grade um Regular English um so many of these students are students who are in an El class or a a sped class um and so what you're going to see interesting is the next one which is the growth so this this is a growth of our um

046high school and so we're seeing great growth there and if you notice the growth in 12th grade they're well above the national so that's really cool and then this is the end of year assessment that they take in trimester B not all of our students have had trimester B yet but some of them have and so this um was the end ofe assessment average and we're doing better than the national average and no students in 12th grade that's why 12th is off yeah and then the growth for that one um for some reason nationally there's no growth for the 10th grade yet so I'm guessing most of the 10th grade end ofe growth well as far as National they won't have taken it yet because most schools are on semesters and they wouldn't take it

047in the middle of the Year okay so what next uh our plans are to provide additional opportunities for districtwide Team Planning and collaboration we want to pull together all the ninth grade all the 10th grade all the 11th grade teachers and really get into the weeds of we have got a year under our belt now um what have we learned and what do we want to adjust for next year um and also collaborate on instructional delivery I have the privilege of going out and observing a lot of classrooms and there are some really cool things that our that our teachers are doing with this curriculum that um I think that getting them together to share those ideas with each other um would be would be great um we've done that through districtwide plc's during our

048PD day but that's been like an hour hour and a half and they really just kind of scratch the surface but um I'd like to provide more substantial time for them to get together um additional professional development focused on using the curriculum but also including that technology integration support it's hard when you have our common liit program that plugs into canvas that then canvas plugs into Power School it's kind of like a string of Christmas lights so you have to kind of figure out how to how to make it play together um and then continue providing opportunities for teachers to observe and learn from colleagues this year I've offered to pay teachers to go and observe their colleagues on their prep um as they say the best Prof professional development is right down the hall

049so I'm encouraging them to take advantage of that and then um there were individual teachers who left their names on the anonymous form and we'll follow up with them individually when they because they left their name and they wanted us to follow up with them so we'll do that um what other what questions suggestions thoughts do you have have you asked the students how they feel about the course I have anecdotally um they're funny like they I've had I it's been a it's been a while ago but I observed a cratic seminar in a 10th grade class um and they were getting they were having such Rich discussion um and I saw a couple of the the girls in the library afterward and I said hey you know tell me tell me what you thought

050of that or whatever and one girl said oh it's finally we get to talk about something we want to which I thought was really really sweet um and then I was in a grade classroom I said what do you think of this curriculum teacher said she wants you to be honest and that's really hard it's really hard like yeah okay I get it your teacher's here to help you and and I'm here to help your teacher so um yeah I for the most part I think they're enjoying it as much as your your typical student would would admit I guess so I saw recently in uh I think it must have been in a principal meeting where they showed a graph of uh of a new program or a new idea or something and there's

051a it it's not it doesn't look quite like a normal curve but similarly so you have your early adopters and then your your next group and then your next group and then the the resistant group at the end which I noticed that in the survey results and so often when we're trying to implement a new program there are always naysayers and how do how do you plan to bring those along so they don't taint the whole program well I'll tell you that I think they were the ones that answered the survey first because the first night that Ashley sent it out I started reading the results and then I couldn't sleep and um but then the more positive um results came in and um so we we do know there's always going to be a

052popul well first of all we know that it's hard the first year or two and that was expected um and we know that there's always going to be those few who have a hard time getting on and I think it's listening to them is really key and then figuring out what are they concerned with are they concerned that they about what they're teaching or that they have to teach something that we're telling them or is it you what is exactly and then try to address the concern as closely as we can I we're not going to meet everybody's needs all the time if we can um and then we've talked about pairing them with um with each other to to be able to see that maybe if somebody else likes it maybe their passion can

053rub off a little bit yeah yeah I would agree with that I think that a lot of well there's a couple of I don't know teachers I think Miss what they what they had created themselves um which is natural so I think that um maybe there's a little there's a little bit of grieving process still happening from that which is like I said totally understandable um they can integrate those things right yeah as they go along yeah and um well yeah and then there's like instructional strategies so um like the the repetitiveness that was mentioned um there's ways that we can break the script um that um doesn't have to follow the the exact format as superintendent mcke always says there's flexibility within the framework and I think we just need to help teachers find

054that and find their voice within the framework and one of the frustrations that came out in some of the comments it we have said that you this is a scope and sequence and the the timing but because it's so new it's not exactly working out the way that we I think it would in maybe year five and so because they're learning it they don't have as much time to integrate the their favorite unit as an additional unit and so there hopefully will be once they figure it out but because they're learning it's it's harder it's taking more time the assessment um numbers are really great I know actually yeah I was really excited to see those yeah and we've never had this kind of assessment Data before so exting it's really exciting yeah anyone else

055have I have a question so about 50% complet the survey this is a brand new program I'm surprised a few more didn't submit their thoughts yeah you have any indication on what that other 50% is thinking about the program because that's a big chunk of teachers that's a great question um I think that the timing of the survey being the end of the trimester they're working on catching kids up getting missing assignments getting their grades in getting things rolled over for next try um I think that that that was a contributing factor um and yeah do you feel like the data is representative of the I do as I've gone out to schools I feel like I feel like it's covered the all people at all different points in the Spectrum something that's interesting um

056so our sixth grade um actually did give um pretty favorable feedback overall they appreciated um that yeah they gave they gave really favor favorable feedback and something interesting that Britney and I were talking about sixth grade has had district-wide adopted curriculum for what did we say like eight or nine years now um so this wasn't this this adoption process wasn't new to them um whereas the high school teachers this is their their first rodeo with it so um there's naturally going to be more angst um there I think um but I do think that even though 50% responded I think that that's pretty typical honestly in any survey it's actually better than most of the teacher surveys we send out so I send one out after PD day every time we do PD I never

057get 50% I mean that's a lot more teachers but it's usually about 30% is what I get and that's with bribes because I usually say enter your name and I'll give you a put you in a drawing so oh that's awesome any other questions for these two lovely ladies nice job thank you than you much Ashley has done so much work with this and has been a I mean overwhelmingly in the comments her name came up as a as a positive support so I'm going to give her a lot of credit thank you uh oh Britney you're up again oh yes that's right about kindergarten yes so um the State Board um used many several years ago we were allowed to use some of our school days for kindergarten assessment and then um those were

058removed and back by popular demand the state school board has passed a rule that allows us to use up to five school days for the keep kindergarten assessment to help us determine um placement of our students so we can have um well balanced class sizes for or class class is for our kindergarten um as we looked at what was allowed we felt like we would only really need three days for most of our teachers and so we are proposing that instead of our kindergarteners starting school on the first day of school with all the students we would ask that we have them start on Monday the following Monday and we take those first three days of school to use as assessment days and it teachers could either assess those days or if they wanted to

059assess earlier in the month they could do earlier in the month instead of on those instead of working those three days so we just need board approval for that there may be a few instances where we have halfday kindergarten classes where teachers teach more students they might need a fourth day but we would still have them start on Monday and we would just have them test one day sooner or one more additional day before school started do you have any questions about that so does that mean um every school could be doing assessment at a different time yes it would be based on the needs of the teachers yeah we don't really mind when they test they we do want them to work it out with their administrator so that's what we're we're saying is

060work it out with your administrator so you guys can determine what's best for your your school and and then we'll start school on that Monday for kindergarten um many of them like to test at the beginning of August so they have a lot of time to prep and um get those class sizes figured out before school starts I bet that helps a lot to have more time yeah yeah um remind Mees does the state I mean the state developed keep a few years ago and mandated that it had to be given but didn't they back off of thatst yeah they backed off of it but we're still choosing to utilize it because it's so helpful okay great good to know any other questions okay great thank you thank you is anyone here a percussionist could

061we have a drum roll for the next um uh applied economics way to go Brian so just by introduction this is Rick Brammer he's with applied e economics they're The Firm that we contracted with to do the study on our enrollment in demographics he has a draft report that's ready that he's ready to present awesome awesome thank you very much uh president Rose rhs vice president Christiansen members of the board Dr mcke it's our pleasure to be here this evening or mine anyways we also got the team from MHT and Architects that um I'm subcontracting too they're here for tonight's presentation as well so um without with that we'll kind of get started I will say and I said um I know a few of you were here last night so I know it's going

062to get kind of boring for for uh for some of you the other thing is is that if I said something really good last night that I don't say tonight stop me and tell me because it's it's hard to give the presentation two days in a row and say you know I don't like reading from a teleprompter but um just really really short um applied economics is has been doing this type of work um since 1995 and during that period of time I've had the pleasure of of serving over a hundred different school districts across five different states and um most recently in in Utah we've done two studies for Salt Lake City schools and one for uh the Canyon school district down in the Sandy area so um really excited to get up get

063up in the Northland it's but it's it this is I don't know if I'm allowed to say God in school anymore but this is God's country I mean I've just been so impressed it was really just a just a beautiful area and I really like um I like some of the way it's been managed too we're going to talk about that land use patterns and some of the positives that I see but um the scope of work that we do it varies a little bit from District to District but a lot of it is also the same and so obviously we're analyzing all the enrollment data that we can get our hands on and that's you know historical data by for the district for the schools and then what we also like to do is

064is to look at student level information so it's a very stripped down data file that we get they call it directory information so it's just the students address the school they attend and the grade they're in and um would like to build a Time series of that too we only have one year of that to start with but we'll we'll definitely be working on that going forward um the population characteristics of already of who's already here by my estimates the district is now of about 990,000 people so um you know what happens what's happening with the existing population in terms of aging and housing unit turnover and all of that is very important to enrollment and in a lot of ways right now more important than even construction you know is in terms of driving

065you know who's in the classrooms nonetheless of course this is is a growing area in terms of in terms of residential and so um we do a thorough um investigation almost of residential development uh in the entire District that's been what's been going on recently and then what's going on uh further down the road and it's probably as good a time as any to mention that normally we do 10year projections that's that's kind of my standard for what a long-term projection is and we all think about how much can change in 10 years it's that's why I kind of think of it as a long term however for this particular study since we're trying to really look down the road as far as we can in terms of the long range facility plan um mhtn

066asks us to push it out to 20 years and we we understand that the accuracy out 20 years isn't the same as the accuracy at 10 years but it is a really good idea to understand kind of where you're heading you know at the final end point particularly when it comes to planning like locations of really expensive things like high schools you want to be looking as far down the road as absolutely possible for that kind of thing we do two um models we do a macroeconomic top down how is the district behaving as as a whole how does that relate to its economic health what do we see happening big picture in terms of uh population growth in the entire State what your state demographer has projected for cash County all the big pictures

067stuff and then the the one that we is kind of our claim to fame is we and I'm going to go and then I'll come back is that we divide the district up into small areas um the one the slide on the left or the the picture on the left shows how we divided this District up into 118 different we call them grids their analysis areas and um the purp the idea is that we're not only modeling you know the district we're modeling all 118 cells bottom up because that's how we capture what's going on with the characteristics of the neighborhoods because you'll often have the case where one neighborhood is aging and declining while another age while another is growing and and and increasing so it's really not a one-size uh fits-all thing at

068all the other thing about the grids is that they don't change over time that's the idea at least is that we you know we can play with them you know schools will come and go and ATT attendant areas will change but we try to keep the grids consistent so we're always looking at the same at the same thing over and over again so with that especially with that micro level data we're able to assist in sort of the overall demand for facilities you'll see a a slide tonight that shows some of your schools with way way way too many students in them 10 years from now and we're going to have to you know work on addressing those but and then um in solving that problem a lot of times it's reallocating space you already

069have and so that's why we've also uh have developed um a boundary planning tool it's an interactive online tool that staff is going to be able to use to to do what if analysis on if we use these grids as this school or these grids as that school how many students would that be and it'll be not only how many students it would be now but we do the projections for the 118 areas so you're going to have an idea at least how many it's going to be five years from now because when we're doing boundary planning ideally you don't want to do it very often right so you want to look as far down the road again as you as as is reasonable you know and you can't always get everything right but that's

070just generally uh the goal always is to have you know that change be as smooth as possible these 118 areas are difficult I would have actually liked to had more I have to make sure that I have the statistically um value significant number of people in each of those areas in order to be able to model them and so you see in the rural areas where there's not very much population I have to make them much bigger you know and and over on the east bench you know we can make them fairly small um and over time if we keep working with this and not that we have to or will but that we may find out we need to cut a few of these down into pieces but right now we had to have

071a place to start on the right is just how those grids would add up in this case the shade the the the coloring is your Elementary attendance areas and then you can see some purple lines overlaid on that which is the current middle school areas I know all of that's going to be changing you know as we go to the new model over the next couple of years but the idea is is that we can you know basically just add up different grids and get to these different totals so we're going to start over with the really really big picture stuff this is District enrollment total K12 enrollment um over the the last 15 years and so between 2010 11 and 201920 um fairly Ro robust growth uh 3400 students during that decade remember the

0723,400 number we're going to talk about that one again and then well that was an annual growth rate of about 2.2% which is what I like to see in growth is that's a real Healthy Growth number you get you know double that and all of a sudden you're having to do crazy things to keep everybody with a seat so that's a really nice pace for growth but since 201920 you know the the co year um obviously there was a a very small increase the year following that only like 30 students and um we haven't gone back on Pace you know since then at all and we're going to talk about why not but you can see that over this last five years um it's we've only growing at an average of about 1.1% per year

073so about 1100 100 students have been added so about half the rate that we were growing before uh the next way we look at the numbers is to um um look at the distribution by grade and what this shows you is the average enrollment the average number of students in each grade in that group so in the in the K2 group going back in 2010 it was the largest and on average there were 1,50 students in each grade in that group and and what happened starting in 2010 is the birth rates fell out and it took till about 20156 5 years you know birth Decay uh for it to start hitting our enrollment and so what happened was that um K2 enrollment stopped growing completely and it actually really hasn't changed a bit we are

074you know essentially dead even with where it was uh 15 years ago right now and so what's been happening is that the growth that came in earlier has been aging and you see them moving up into second grade and third grade and sixth grade and now they're all in high school the the peak is in high school now and so um in most cases these curves will stay separated you've actually become um sort of an expense more expensive move up housing market as a you know so people are moving in people who are able to move in right now are coming in with older kids they're not coming in with babies they're coming in with kids who are already in the system and that's what's making those curves sort of separate so it's good and

075that it keeps you know pushing enrollment up even though it's not really being pushed up from the from the bottom however these curves follow each other eventually and so um you know when you see the K2 arcing down the last couple of years you kind of Wonder well then that's going to hit you know on and you've got enough housing growth going we're not going to look at real losses think of it in terms of slowing down the increase so um but it's you know it's something to be pay attention to and at some point we're going to get um a a period here where we don't have any growth at the high school level just for a few years while that passes out of the system it's very interesting how they you know how

076it behaves over time we talked about the uh getting that student data and and we get it um geocoded then turn addresses into real world points on the map and so we um gives us lots of good things we can correlate student generation with different kinds of housing units with different ages of housing with different ages of householders all different kinds of things we can do with the data once it's correlated um but here my purpose really enjoying it is really uh to say this is a large complicated area to study and to manage and I'm sure you've you're aware of the fact that um having uh you know this sort of dispersed population if everybody's in one place it's kind of easy and along the east bench it's a little easier to slice and

077dice where you put things and where you draw lines but when you get out to way in the north and over on the West Side um you know you get these clusters and you end up having trouble rightsizing schools and you end up having maybe kids on buses longer than you would like them sometimes and those kinds of things so um it's a challenging setup that you've got you know to be actually to um to to manage um we U add all the dots or actually count them how electronically how many of them fall into each one of our 118 little planning areas now the coloring on this map has to be normalized because all the grids are different sizes so there that's all in terms of enrollment per square mile so light blue is

078basically less than 10 kids per square mile green goes up to 100 per square mile and then you can see the the pockets where we have that are over 500 students per square mile and when you get into that you know 250 to 500 range that's normal Suburban development on the wasach front that's just what it looks like that's normal density um you know it's not high density but it's a normal Suburban density um and again the fact that you've got the you know the distribution that you that you have you know it it does it does create somewhat of a challenge but what is high density I've seen 2,000 students per square mile wow and take theb it's you don't find it many places but yeah there's a few I've seen it two at

0792,000 per square mile okay yeah yeah so uh yeah I I don't I wouldn't like that either to be honest but uh I was going to say something else about oh these counts then the the little numbers that show up in each one of these boxes is the actual count of students so it's not the grid number there so you know you can't I realize it's very hard to read but that's the actual number of students that we're drawing and so this is our primary fabric if you will for when we start doing boundary planning and stuff because we can look at this and say we got 400 here 200 here 300 there now this happens to be the K12 total but what we're giving the district and the planning tool is broken out k56

0806 8 9 12 so that you can do the same sort of maps and the same sort of planning at with each individual level that you're trying to serve um now some not as fun stuff I mean it's just numbers but I have to do a few numbers because I'm a numbers guy I I talked about in 2024 we're estimating total population of the district at about 990,000 um that's up about 10,000 from the Census um on the addition of about 3600 new housing units since the census and you can see going back just 24 years at 48,000 um I'm sure the ones that you people have been here that whole period of time feel like uh the place has gotten kind of crowded you know that's the way you feel when when that kind

081of happens but in addition to just the sheer growth we're seeing the impact of of the lower birth rates and the Aging of the of the overall population in the district so the population uh under five the preschoolers and 5 to 13 corresponds with kindergarten through 8th grade and the high schoolers kind of follow along you know it's easier to project high schoolers so it's those two lower groups I'm most concerned about and you can see they they're they're still growing way out to the right all those percentages are still positive some of them are very tiny positive so under five they're growing at 0.1% per year doesn't you know add up to much but it's not going down but as a group it's gone down from you know 29 30% of the population to

082a quarter of the population and so you know it does make a difference you're not seeing the same number of kids come out of the same number of houses that you used to it just doesn't work that way and it's really tied to these two age groups of householders I have circled down below the 25 to 34s and the 35 to 44s and I've been doing this a very long time and when I when I start first started doing it 25 to 34 was the go-to cohort we looked at for Elementary School enrollment that was the number one driver of that and one of the things that happened with the lowering of birth rates is people pushed that decision out to have their first child they pushed it out five years in a period of

08310 years and so now the 20 the 35 to 44 group is becoming statistically significant to me in projecting even kindergarteners so you know times change and you know it's nothing stays the same but that group together is the important one um falling from 45% you know almost half of the of the households down to like 40% of the households and the ones I've have circled are the ones that you know are kind of the most concerning to me um for different reasons that the 25 to 34 you know the actual loss of householders in that group between 2010 and 2020 not just lower growth an actual loss of net households in that group group um it bounced back a little bit over the last four years and then you can see you know the

08465 and up group and we have the baby boomer every you know generation uh he included going through you know this cycle now and um that's the way it's going to be and we used to talk about population uh trees or pyramids where you had the little kids and and how many there were male and female and then old people were at the top and your your population was supposed to look like a Christmas tree are is looking like a leaf right now so we don't we don't have the base to hold the the top now you're still an area that's in building and importing people into your community so I don't think it's going to impact you the way it's impacting the us as a whole but overall you know the population is not

085growing at least not growing very darn fast um some of the housing data this was just census housing unit data the map on the left is the decade of the 2000s versus the decade to the 2010s there was actually more growth in the 2000s I think in housing units but it's really shifted it's kind of hard to see in these Maps but in 200 2009 still a lot of building going on in Logan itself whereas you get on to that next decade and you can really see it expanding both to the north and to the South um you know right into right into your schools so do the numbers in those sections represent uh total housing units in those sections or change in housing units yeah changeing the change y yes it's the change okay

086sorry about that might had to leave my eyes yep the next thing that we we alluded to and talked about before was the change in birth rates that we have seen and so this is a a graph the green bars are the the state of Utah birth rate and the the blue bars are are the United States average and so you can see back back in 2010 the Utah birth rate was one and a half times the US average and you know in just you know not that long of a period of time it's really Fallen you know it's still higher you know at 1.3 um but it really has tracked downward and um Utah and Arizona were the two largest declines in birth rates in the United States during this period and Utah was

08732 1% and Arizona was 32% or something it was very very very close but you know it's it's having a real impact on our populations um and a lot of it you know at least in Arizona at least some of it is tied to anti-immigration policies and I don't know if that's the case here I don't believe it is but in Arizona we had you know because of immigration policy 250,000 Hispanics left in one year so it's it really does have an impact um it was K it was really kind of kicked in By the Great Recession people really got freaked out by the Great Recession and not only did people saw their parents suffering and then they came out of college with student debt and there was a whole bunch of negative stuff that

088happened so I'm not sure it's ever going to cycle backwards but it really took us in a whole different direction the next thing we look at is is uh just a complete the picture really is you know enrollment in charter schools because obviously if you know there's some of the students that live in the district who aren't coming to your schools and so um we want to see if you know if that's impacting our you know our enrollment numbers more than anything else and as you can see it really hasn't changed I mean they grew through 2022 up to about about 2,800 students in those schools and then we're talking about the three that are in the district listed up above and the four that are that are down in down in down in Logan

089um but the last two years they've had declining enrollment so you know whatever students you know we not getting it's not because they are that's the most important thing it's just that there are fewer you know fewer to get um and the other thing that happened in this say postco is that there was so much so many resources put into new programs for homeschooling and online schooling and parents got together and started forming these little units and doing you know pod schooling and so it really has had an impact you know choice has had an impact now on your enrollment talking about the residential development stuff that we collected uh we collected building permits for the last six years uh from all of the issuing agencies in cash County um and so that totals about

0904,000 houses built over the last six years um 77% of them are single family that's a fairly sizable proportion however in an area like this I'd actually expect it to be higher one of the things I was surprised about when we did our field work I was here with an Associate for three full days to get around and see everything from from Cornish to nibi to everywhere and uh uh is the mix of housing types that Builders are going to to try to get affordability so these subdivisions where you've got a single family framed home directly next door to a townhouse and I've seen them where you'll divide your development and have a townhouse portion and a single family portion that's pretty common but to have them like totally intermixed and next door to each

091other um was a real eye opener for me um and it's just you know trying to get that housing affordability factor I believe so I'm showing it table two ways once by type of Housing and then obviously by Community where those houses were added Smithfield hym nibbly Province are the the big four however North Logan still and height Park still with a fair amount of activity but the top four account for 71% of all the housing unit additions over the last six years so that's what's been happening no this is a map of those so we are we everything we do we pretty much map so it's got an address it goes on a map so we can see year by year where the where the permitting has been occurring and the blue dots are

092the old ones and the red dots are the more recent ones and you just gives you an idea of exactly the pattern that's you know that we see and it continues to show more red dots pushing further out especially North up towards Providence it seems like there's you know a serious push you know Smithfield up to Providence in very recently then looking forward at Future development we have to ascertain where new single family or new residential development is likely to occur we have to do it over a 20year period And so what we did to do that was to assemble as we do everywhere I'm going to go forward a slide and come back is inventory of Land Based on parcels and then sometimes collapsing Parcels into larger areas but but um you know actually

093going through and identifying all the active projects and then looking at land use plans from each of the Cities General plan zoning those kinds of things and determining where we could have development most likely now you'll see all of that information is up and down the east east side and that's because on the west side don't we don't have projects like that so we're still um we're still accounting for growth and all of those Westside areas we're just doing it by not but but we're not tying it to a particular piece of land like we're doing this so um all of and all of this adds up you see it's colorcoded here by what its future will be so and these are standard colors in planning world where yellow is single family housing orange is

094multif family housing red is commercial gray is industrial Agricultural and public facilities or be always always blue and so you know we don't we don't we know we're not going to get kids out of the industrial land it's just that when you're doing an inventory part of it is knowing where you're not going to get kids so they have to know where where it is and where it isn't I'm going to come back to this slide but if you took all of those polygons that are colored there you would and added them all together you would come up with 28,200 potential housing units okay and we stratify them by time when we think they're going to be built and I'm going to show you that map too but 1,700 units be uh left to be

095built in projects that are active right now so at least a couple years worth of Supply in the pipeline which is healthy that's normal that's what you're looking for somewh in that range and then another year of Supply behind it so we're not seeing the market you know fading out we got a the pipeline is being filled at the appropriate rate now this when the when I say this timing on here and I I want to emphasize that's when it could begin so I look at a parcel and I say I could start by now it doesn't mean it's going to be all done it's just might start by then and in reality we don't even put years on our priorities we do 1 2 3 four 5 six and then when I do my

096other modeling and I say okay this is how many housing units I think are going to be built in the whole district and then I start allocating them down to the individual polygons based on a priority system and so if I'm if I'm assuming more growth then I get to the low the higher priorities sooner so it's all internally consistent um and then like I said the the 10 plus column you know those 6,500 units that would be the most highly speculative part of what we've included in the inventory we just needed to do that to get out to about 25,000 units because using the your state demographers projections for cash County that's about how many you're going to build over the next 20 years so I wanted to get that covered you know in

097basically in some kind of an inventory and and that's you know those big picture projections like that I don't do that I mean your demographer the people in the state the schools here have studied what they think the growth is going to be in the big picture and allocated it to counties I don't try to replicate that process I'm using their County projections and translating into housing units and people and students the bottom part is just someplace to put this data and but the thing I heard over and over again was the thing that was holding us back was you know housing affordability and so this table just kind of summarizes you know kind of what's available out there in the market and um you know the the the cheapest thing we could find um

098was $28,000 for 1,200 square ft um it's not that's not what I would have call particularly affordable but um and then so much more over half a million over 600,000 and so what we kept hearing even from people when we were doing our interviews was my kids would like to move back but they can't and I just I mean I must have heard it five times and it just and I know the builders are aware of this I mean that's why they're doing what they're doing to try to put some other stuff on the market I really believe that after an adjustment period in the economy here um we're going to see interest rates fall back to 4% and that's kind of going to fuel the next little bit of a housing boom what is

099a medium density single family is that town homes is that like Town Homes it's um it's it's a combination really because sometimes you can get some single family that'll run almost up to that density but yes for the most part it's Town Homes no that that isn't true actually it's it's a it's it's a mix it's just getting that up to about 10 units per acre so so low density would basically be under four units per acre and the medium density would be 4 to 10 units per acre okay so then multif family is Apartments Apartments okay um we talked about this map for the most part um one of the things that I did notice is that there's never enough land set aside in the beginning for apartments for multif family people figure out

100when they need them and they they need them when there's like employment growth and stuff they don't always need them and so we'll see more of those emerge over time I know we will the inventory is short on them a bit but I know that we'll see more of those projects emerge um here's the same map except colorcoded by those prior I was talking about so on this map if it's red that's where they're building houses right now and then orange would be next to mine and then on down through the yellows and then the cross-hatched areas are are non-residential so open space industrial agricultural type areas so then this would give us you know the general pattern in order to get this priority system is those bullet points uh in that second in that

101second bullet bubble there and these things are not necessarily in any particular order but what we look at is what's currently in the pipeline in for Planning and Zoning across every jurisdiction what are they actually looking at what do they have paperwork on now and then down the road we look at Future land use which for most cities is in the form of what they call a general plan zoning tells you what you can build now General plan tells you what you can build in the future so we're using those two um sources back and forth um proximity to existing development infrastructure is expensive and so the most common place to find houses built next is right next to where they were built last so you know it's people are logical and so we tend

102to follow those patterns we have to have infrastructure if we can't flush the toilet there won't be a house so we're very interest interested we look at every municipality's um um infrastructure financing plans and schemes and try to figure out what areas they think they're going to service because those are the areas where you're going to be able to put houses and finally but not least is land ownership and I talked about this a little bit last night and it's the goofiest thing because if I'm looking at a parcel and it's owned by jw3 LLC it's some you know Investment Company essentially or you know a blind company that owns owns it then it's kind of in play where if it's still being held by you know the original owner or longtime land owner then

103you really are less sure that anybody's even thinking about doing anything with it however my experience has shown that people will say nope I'm never selling my farm never selling my farm and then they die and their kids sell the farm so you know it does tend to happen eventually anyway especially if you get surrounded by development on all sides then it's gets kind of then the writing's on the wall but uh but land ownership is one of those you can be really telling or mean almost nothing but where it's important it's really important um but that's how we get to our priority system about where we think growth is going to occur so we take that that potential we add housing units this is called absorption it's driven essentially in aggregate at least by

104those projections I was talking about um from you know your state demographer and what it results in is you can see um you know over the last four years or so averaging over 800 um houses per year um obviously 2425 which has lagged so those houses were actually built during the 23 24 school year and they get fully occupied on the on for the start of the 24 year so we're always lagging housing starts to get to when they'll actually be students but anyways um so so it dropped down pretty considerably and we're going to stay there probably for a couple of years before we climb back up and get closer back to that 7800 housing units per year but in totality this is uh ends up being an the addition of about 4,000 housing

105units over the next 10 years I believe um no I misspoke I'm sorry 8,000 housing units over the next 10 years 800 per year for 10 years and then the projections actually from the state show it increasing in rate after that for the next decade they're showing it going up to about 10,000 housing units during that 10year period of time so we translate through to housing units a household is just an occupied housing unit somebody actually moved in and that's where the occupancy rate comes in and yours are High um but in households and I'm not showing it here but it's not just one number I'm looking at it broken down down by those age categories I was showing you before so 15 to 24 25 to 34 because that's how we can use households

106to predict the change in school age population and the school age population is all persons living in the district age five to 17 whether they go to your school or any school at all and may maybe maybe they don't maybe they've dropped out but that's the total number of students and we'll just take the 2020 21 number because the 2000 2010 and 2020 those are um census numbers and obviously I'm doing estimates you know going forward from there but if you look at the 2020 number it was 28 23850 houses households 21,000 School AED persons 882 per household which as I said last night is quite High your you know your overall population per household is well above State average still and you've got some some fairly big houses um k12 and enrollment in that

107year was 18,83 3 that was in the district so that left a difference of 2,200 persons School aged persons living in the district who didn't come to your schools and that was basically the charters that that basically accounts for that difference going forward but we you know we we're not just looking at total school age population we have to realize that they're you know they aren't all coming to us and one of the things that um has been the big puzzle since Co is that we've seen these what I call then Service rates so there's a difference and then the EP ratio is just the net difference if I took K12 enroll with it and divided it by school age population done that's 871 in in in 2425 but this year since I had student

108data I know that 540 of the students in the district came from outside of the district so you serve 540 l from inside the district which meant that your service rate is 84.7% so 85% of the students School aged persons living in the district go to your schools and um we don't I know it's down I don't know how much it's down because we don't have the historical data to look at so I'm kind of holding it in the future but everywhere I've seen the Service rates are creeping down and so to make our projections a little more realistic I went ahead and built in that assumption into the projections that the choice there is going to be more choice in the future and I haven't gotten carried away with it but we we want

109to make sure that we've at least got that on the table before you move on you mentioned this last night currently we're serving approximately 85% of the the school age students in our district you've seen where choice is impacted this elsewhere in the country where the Service rates are in places in Iona it's under 50% there's so many charter schools and now we have vouchers so you can go to private schools on on on public money as well and with open enrollment between districts what I don't like about it is nobody has to stay around and make their District better like all of you are trying to do they just vote with their feet they can live wherever they want and they send their kids to a better school and you don't have that you

110know freelance sort of wideopen enrollment yet but um that's what people seem to be wanting is choice and it just um yeah there's two there's two districts I work for that are actually under 50% service rate I imagine it's really difficult for them to manage facilities and everything else I'm closing schools that's my biggest job right now it was fun when I first started doing this work in 1995 because all I did was help people open new schools uh and now I'm spend about half of my time you know closing them down yeah it's it's not uh it's not fun but even with that adjustment in there we're looking at a school age population increase just over the next 10 years let's talk about that of about 48 um um is that right yeah School

111AED persons but that will because of the service rate that'll transfer um into about um let me do this yeah it should I was reading that and I knew there was something wrong you see where it says the district school age population is expected to grow by about 4800 it's not so where it says two that's supposed to say by about it's supposed to grow by about 4,800 so that's a typo I couldn't figure out why my numbers were different so but we you know we know all of those um aren't going to come to you but even you with that service rate assumption going down we would see an an increase over the Whole Decade of about 3,700 students now remember I ask you to remember the 3400 number from the decade of the

1122000s which I think is a much more normal period than what we've been experiencing over the last five years and with and since the base is bigger it actually turns out to be a smaller percent increase than you had back then with the 3400 this just shows a little bit of it broken down by by grade groups so you can see how that um that will Trend over time and then the the overall K12 change which as you can see last couple of years you know 63 and 123 um have been you know a little bit lackluster we saw the K2 group you know kind of bringing down that bringing down that increase um there's a lot of housing in the pipeline though and we're starting to get to the point where the birth rate

113the part of the birth rate curve that's affecting kindergarten has flattened so it still needs to flow through everything else but we're not going to see that and so we are looking at you know substantial or you know a pretty good increase in in enrollment growth we hope over the next couple of years but still measured by historical standards but by the end of the decade you know getting back up to that around 400 or so students per year uh coming into the school we do it you know like I said not only District models but obviously um these small area grid models and so this just shows across 11 18 areas where we see the growth occurring this is the first fiveyear period um and so you know a lot of energy going up

114to the north particularly hide Park Smithfield even heading up towards Providence but still plenty of along you know going along down south and in nibbling and and Hyrum as well and then in the in the next 5year period you just see it shift further out same pattern North and South but shifting further out also a little bit perhaps over on the West Side Up in the north so if we if we took those numbers that are associated with all those colors and added them together by your attendance areas you would get these numbers and so this is how many students in in the case of 2425 actually live in each attendance area this year and then we've got the projections so I I show 25 through 29 as green headers because those are pretty good

115numbers there's enough in the pipeline we know enough that the fiveyear projections are usually very good when you get out to the second five years you know a little bit more fuzzy and then when you get out to those last two columns when you're talking 15 and 20 years from now you know it's a it's a really good guess probably is it what it really amounts to uh at least it's a starting point but if you follow some of these schools or these attendance areas across obviously you know things like Birch Creek and Canyon are going to get awfully awfully large unless we figure out how to subdivide those areas somehow and so that's what we're doing is looking at things that are blue and sometimes if they're blue and they don't get ever get

116any bigger but you've got capacity there then you might want to think about is that a place where some of that red could spill into so it becomes a you know a balancing act because you really don't want to add space you don't need that's the worst thing that can happen is is building schools that you don't need so um I'm not going to go through these numbers obviously there's just way way way too many but in the last it does show the last fiveyear period totaling about 1675 new students you go clear to the bottom under that one of those last four columns and we're showing about uh 2,000 more than in the next five years and the distribution shifts because we get that period in the 34 to 39 period where like I

117don't see any High School numbers you know it's growing in the Middle School the period before but then it do you know you don't you don't get the growth in the high school the following period what we have to keep in mind and it's maybe not as important but it's it's it's something you'll have to deal with because you'll you look at those numbers and you'll tell it a principal that that's their no it's not that's how many people live in their attendance area so what we have to look at is the relationship of where people um live versus where they go to school and so if you look at Birch Creek and follow it across they have 692 students that live in their attendance area you have to go over a ways but to

118school number six which happens to be Leon they get one from there 12 is Providence they get one you get s 17 from Summit they get on and on four from outside so they actually have 728 students in the seats right but there's actually 796 who live in that area so the difference between how many kids live there and how many kids go to that school is minus 68 and it's whoops darn I got I pushed the wrong button um and I lot of schools I mean 68 is actually you know two or three teachers by the way so it's not a not you know anything to exactly sneeze at but when you get schools like you know Heritage and um is it where where's the other program School Sunrise Providence where you get you

119know bigger flows because of of of particular programs so it does make a difference and when it starts to be you know 200 student difference then it's something we have to when we're doing our boundary planning we have to keep that in mind is that something that we're going to continue is are we going to build that in or we you know how are we going to handle that but overall 90% of your students go to their designated School the green row on the bottom shows there percentage of the of the students in each attendance area that choose their school so 87% of the students in Birch Creek choose Birch Creek etc etc and sometimes those can tell you things about what's going on in the schools too but often times again it's just really

120talking about programs and and things like that so you don't want to read too much into it but we take those uh attendance area numbers and we have another model we run them through with the pattern of open enrollment and try to then convert it into schools and I think it's it's worth doing in terms for the short term especially when you're thinking about you know Staffing and and budgeting at the schools but as Dr mcke pointed out last night tonight um in terms of our long-term planning we're going to want to tend to stay more towards the attendance area numbers so service the kids where they actually live more than you know where they choose to go to school because for the long term that's what we're talking about you know in terms of

121our facilities so you'll see all this written up in the in the in the report but I wanted to point them out because the tables Look A Lot the same but one is attendance areas and one is schools so our conclusions um were that you know we are expecting uh continued growth in the district something on the order of 3700 students over the next 10 years um they'll bring enrollment to about 23,600 we've seen the housing market in the district diversify just recently in order to try to you know to uh accomplish the housing affordability thing I think that's going to continue because I think there is a lot of pressure on elected officials and everyone else to to work on the affordability issue so I I'm hoping that we're going to see more options

122and hopefully more younger families um nonetheless we can't take our ey the fact that the fastest growing group of of householders are the over 65s um we did see a little bit of growth in the 35 to 44s very recently which is encouraging to me and I think that's the start of what's going to rebuild you know our our school age population but it's not going to be the 25 to 30 food it's going to be the 35 to 44s um as much growth as we have if if birth rates were still one and a half times the US average you can imagine what these numbers would look like so I mean it is being rained in you know somewhat by declining birth rates and the enrollment in the upper grades right now is being

123dampened by the fact you've got smaller classes coming forward um but I'm really bullish you know I mean you got all the pieces in the community you got everything you need to sustain growth in terms of infrastructure there's economic growth happening um I I can't think I commented last night um or that I'm concerned that wage levels aren't keeping Pace you know with housing costs so it's great to have how you know to have economic growth but if it's not if it's not sustainable then it's something that you have to think about whether you know it's worth it or not not that it's up to you but I see that as the only stumbling block otherwise all the lights are green so um you guys have a great community and it's been my pleasure to

124to uh work in it thank you thank you yeah thank you so much for coming and for um staying for two days wow well I and I did my normal I sat in my hotel room and worked all day so where are you from Phoenix Arizona Phoenix yeah uhhuh that's why I wondered what that white stuff out there was I I found in un unidentified fly flying object complaint this morning but no it's really been beautiful I I I'm not F of driving in it but it certainly is beautiful anyone have questions for Rick that we he one question so in the report Todd that you sent across on the last page you had a references of people in the communities mostly on the east side except for hyam I was curious the representatives from

125ham city manager were they not I will have to go back to my associate who was with me on that trip there's just a lot of growth represented in hyam and I was curious the data points you pulled for hyam there wasn't any specific reference to a city manager planner we probably had one and it just didn't make the the list of acknowledgements the other thing is and I can't remember which city it was in was there was a particular planner who uh had been doing this area for a very long time and so he was able to give us information on way more than just his community so that also helped a lot but there's no substitute for talking to the people there just isn't all right any other questions for Rick you're not

126driving to the airport tonight are you oh man good I figured maybe tonight be better than the morning it will be CU because the forecast for tomorrow morning doesn't look very good so I'm actually going to go out to the West okay very good thank you thank you very much thank you guys bringing your friends at mhtn thank you for being here we appreciate it thank you yeah that was a huge project and fun to have information about it we'll be looking at us for a while so just for your awareness you know he mentioned Rick mentioned the online tool that he's put together that'll allow us to do a lot of what if scenarios with boundaries that'll be really key for the facilities advisory committee as we're putting together recommendations for the board uh

127for boundaries for 2026 so this has all been foundational work that going to help us lead into that there also uh feed into later work that the facilities advisory committee will do with looking at our current buildings and the needs that we have there and whether or not we need to look at um potential land purchases for future schools and when we get to that point you know we're looking at you you saw in his projections 10 years out potentially an additional 3,700 students in the district so we we'll have to look at do we have the capacity to manage that if not you know what kinds of schools do we need to to start thinking about where would we place them so what you're saying if I understand you correctly when we start changing

128boundaries in 2026 we don't even have to blame Rick we can just blame the computer that's right okay that's right love it but I'm totally happy to have you blame me boundaries are so hard boundary changes are so hard okay the last item on our agenda seems really trivial after all of the great other information we've had um but it's been suggested that we have a board member assigned to give a report on the things they have been doing each month um once a month in the board member report section of our business meetings so rotate so that we would rotate through each of us and so you would have a an opportunity to report once every seven months um or we can continue to do it as we are now that when you go

129and do something and you have information to share that you do or if you have questions you want to ask then that's when you ask them and so we're just wondering if you want it to be more systematic that we get information from everyone or to everyone or if you like it how it is so you don't have to decide that tonight but it's something to think about and we can talk about that at our business meeting um unless you want to tell me give us some feedback now if I had to wait seven months to remember what I did that might be hard Well when things come up and we need that opportunity to discuss them okay when they come up well it sounds like everybody just wants to leave it how it is

130then with an open board member report option in every month's meet every month's business meeting so that anybody can or ask questions all right good discussion thank you all so much for being here I will remind you next Thursday we have the usba regional regional meeting and we can go here about all the crazy things the legislature just did to us um next Thursday at madx with the boxell school board um and possibly some from ogit do we want to carpool over sure we'll all ride with Brian cuz he always parles us so what time do you want us to meet at the parking lot you say whatever 530 okay have do you got do you want to car pull over I'm not going to be here oh okay so have to wor about at

131the M big West M West um I will probably be screaming in at the last minute so I better not delay you you'll have room okay what time do you want us there if we're car pooling 5:30 starts so we can be there at 5:30 all right so there's one two three four the parking ride got it all right hey can I just say one thing yes please do um so this strategic plan is not the final plan but this is where it is at this point and I only know about this because um the district is going around to all of the every High every school we actually put this together back in the summertime so my apologies I thought we had this out to you um so jenda had worked with us to

132capture all the work that we had done and put it into this format um I think we saw it in did we see it so everybody has a copy now and that the district is going out and getting input from all of the schools on things to add so this is not final is still a work in progress so the work they're doing now is on that profile of a graduate so that's that end point that we're we're trying to set for kids in terms of and a 12th grade okay okay great uh Jared please tell Kendra thank you for the bookmarks from Hawaii we're glad you didn't stay there we glad you came home and seeing we are at the end of our agenda we will adjourn thank you all for being here you

133feeling better