001evening ladies and gentlemen this is a call to order for the policy and Personnel committee today is Wednesday March 12 the time is 6:03 p.m. I am not the chair of this committee but due to our bylaws and Freedom of Information Act regulations the meeting needs to be shared in person unfortunately Mr Medina and Miss Perez also members of the committee could not be here in person so we'll be live streaming and the first item of on the agenda is attendance attendance oh here today thank you here today is myself in person Joseph scav member of the committee Miss Jennifer Perez chair person of the board and member of the committee uh miss humz Mr an Woodson on L and is that all we have for board members yes that's it thank you for board
002members and the first item thank you Cloud the first item on the agenda is discussion and possible approval to the full Board of [Music] policy policy 5114 point2 use of exclusionary timeout settings policy talk yes sir so um if it's okay with you I'll I'll go a little bit off of this order but it will cover all four just going for the one that was the least involved to the more involved one so actually starting with the health and medical records policy 5125 that'll be fine um course I got to do a little housekeeping I'll accept a motion to change the order of business to move up letter B to the first item some okay second all favor I take okay so thank you so um thank you uh for all of you um here
003today U for policy and Personnel committee meeting um I want to discuss a bit the student health records um this is current policy is policy number 5151 um which is elementary and secondary welfare student health services um we will be keeping this policy um but under the section that states health records we'll be adding the K policy students Health Medical Records policy number do11 um this will be included specifically under the health record section of our current policy the change includes specific language around the health um Insurance probability and accountability Act hia of 1996 it also includes language around the family educational rights and Privacy Act Vera um also included um will have a stample hippoc complaint authorization for release of health information forms so those are probably the main changes between or the main
004additions between what we have and the addition of the policies yes um M Perez do you have any questions I don't Mr Woodson any MZ question um I reviewed this policy and I did have a requested change it's in the first paragraph where we're calling um a specific uh hippo privacy officer l early and um we should strike that out just to be consistent with um the Title Nine change that we just Incorporated on Monday yes it actually should say the Board of Education designates the school health supervisor it's hipop privacy officer so the position of school health officer as opposed to put it in the name so I did make that notation so thank you FL thank you let's let's formalize that in a motion sentain a motion to strike out the name and
005insert the title in the place where the name appears I second the motion no um sorry I got it sorry I couldn't get the unmute on I seconded it I couldn't hit unmute fast enough no no worries all right so so if you can make that change any other discussion Mr Woodson no I'm good thank you awesome um in that case I have no questions the as to my question basically and oh this is basically according to the whole whole claw C recommendations legally vetted and all that as well and just for the record when was this policy less updated our our current policy was last updated in um 2012 2012 April of 2012 right CNS this is a simple policy to the pass and I would recommend that we push this to the full
006board waving the first and second read for immediate implementation M Perez how do you feel about that I was gonna um make that motion or second was it a motion you made or a second no I didn't make the motion it was just a recommendation I just wanted to get the temperature first so I make I I'll make we can push it to the full board yeah that's fine Mo move to the full board with the wave in first read and second read for meeting implementation uh all say hi I don't know why I said I sorry yeah today thank you so be presented to the full board Madam chair can you see that that gets on the agenda please oh yes which one would you like to do miss if we could do the
007use of a scho generary timeout place okay oh yeah so now we're back in order okay next item on the agenda is the use of exclusionary timeout settings policy e544 d.2 so so and I guess just to get um a little bit of context I'll say from the um special education lens um there is procedure that's followed there's no District policy that currently exists in terms of exclusionary timeout um but there is procedure that is used um in regards to special education students this policy is in regards to all students so which also would cover you know special education but um will not should not supersede the procedures that are currently in place for speci Education students so this is K policy 51142 um again we do not currently have um such a policy we'll
008be adding this policy to just policies this gives specific information regarding definitions of exclusionary time amount seclusion what physical restraint is it also discusses the setting in space and the proper use of timeout settings it actually talks about physical space what that needs to look like and and the timing um and then they also uh there's also a sample data collection she um for when a child is in a designated time out setting so this is is not a policy that we currently have but it's a policy that is highly recommended for all students um through K uh Miss perz can you P um pass for a second I'll come come back to me sure ZZ Jus I have no comments Woodson good thank you I I got I got a couple could you please
009define the terms timeouts and uh conclusion yes exclusionary timeout is defined means a temporary continuously monitored separation of a student from an ongoing activity in a non-locked setting for the purpose of calming such student or de-escalating such student's Behavior seclusion means the involuntary confinement of a student in a room physically physically prevented from leaving seclusion does not include an exclusionary timeout and there physical restraints I can give you the definition of that physical restraint means any mechanical or personal restriction that immobilizes or reduces the free movement of a person's arms legs or head including but not limited to carrying or forcibly moving a person from one location to another excluded from this definition is briefly holding a person in order to calm or Comfort the person restraint involving the minimum contact necessary to safely escort
010a person from one area to another medical devices including but not limited supports prescribe a healthcare provider to achieve proper body position or balance helmets or other protective gear used to protect the person from injuries due to a fall helmets mitts and similar devices used to prevent self injury when the device is part of a documented treatment plan or individualized education program pursuant to Connecticut special education laws are prescribed or recommended by Medical Professional and is the least restrictive means to prevent such self- injury or an exclusionary retirement right now I know I know pretty much for a fact that in a lot of our specializ says we have people trained in the physical restraint put this policy in place do we have to do we have training people in every school every preschool around
011this and will we need to do so in order to implement this policy across the board so um so I I would say that in in every building that we have there should be at least one staff member who has been trained I think um part of what we try and do is each year do refresher so anyone who needs a refresher um or anyone who needs the the the complete training so that there is regular training um but you know obviously in order in case of of an emergency are primary concern right so you know that goal you know we want someone who's trained to be a person who is who who would have who would be engaging a child in any kind of restrain but have to keep in mind safe right the
012child is being unsafe and there's someone there to the adult to make sure that the child are being safe of course um yeah I'll po my questions U Miss pz just going off of that um Dr saki um the use of physical restraints um I don't I don't see like a clear like place in the policy where it talks about it and you know um um maybe I overlooked it but um another thing you mentioned at least one person is trained is that in Crisis Prevention CPI right okay um so if if for some reason a staff member has to do CPI um um most of the restraints in the CPI require except for the younger children required a two person hold um and so is there more than usually more than one staff member
013in the school that would um be trained in in the physical restraints you guys I heard you at least one person but um I I am a CPI trainer so I know that we when we train you know we we we do team um training so like you have the the best practice for it is is two people involved yes and um and I can get you that exact breakdown um by building but you know um you know I what I could com comfortably say with that I knew that you know buildings might have multiple people trained um but at least one person in each building but I can get you that I can get you that break down and then my other question kind of off that is um which type of Staff members
014are trainers are just the special education teachers or um are are um security guards trained um I say I'll say currently um we're training special education teachers we're training aid some administrators get training um so I'll say staff um in general have been getting trained um so it's not just a special education teacher you know okay yes and and then I if you don't have the answer right now that's totally fine you can um get back to me but um what's the the retraining um how often are they retrained recertified um there is um there's there's recertification that's done each year yeah so we do have we do have staff inhouse that does the recertification um and and actually does the the the the full train training um so we do have trainers on site
015um who who do that the recertification yearly okay when when staff members are are set for it's for a period of time so not everyone needs that training each each year again I can get you the the the the breakdown of um the numbers per building and who's up for recertification you know if that would be helpful yeah I think I just think it'll be um as long as I I think as long as each School knows who their their crisis train uh uh professional is um I think um you know it it wouldn't I I don't need to see everybody I just as long as you know that there's enough people in the school who are are trained in Crisis Prevention um and and I'm just for the record I'm not pushing for the
016use of physical restraints um a big part of Crisis Prevention intervention is um deescalation and physical restraints are the last resort so I just want to push that out there to the people like we're not I'm not saying we need to do the score physical restraint but we need to do it for the deescalation part of it um which is the bigger part of um CPI yes and and you're 100% correct um you know the the the goal is is you know the physical rray being you know the last you know the last option on the table so the whole idea is De escalating right so deescalation strategies to hopefully prevent get to the point where any kind of restraint has to be used right and that's embedded in the training correct correct yeah that's
017the that's the big bulk of the training any anything on this please Mr spur that's all I have all right now seclusion are they clear parameters again some person's point in a room with a time out and secluding them from the rest of of class also I'm sure also escalation of poliy are they clear steps to when it moves from a disruptive child in the classroom needing a time out and an extremely disruptive child or something that would benefit from seclusion before understand the question I am I know I'm not framing it right um a child a child acting out when does it go because seclusion seems like a natural progression from the timeout and that's when when that's not working when do you have to take a child and put them in a room
018all by themselves with either guard on the door there restricted from leaving that area what type of behavior would NE necessitate that I will always go back to safety right um if a child is um is not being safe towards thems or others I think is that would be the only time where would be recommending um that any kind of um change in setting that that's one or if a child is um is not regulated and we're trying to get the child to be regulated that's like a common space for a child you know so so that would be other T I say you know one it depends on what we're actually trying to use the space for so using your specific example you know if a child is just agitated you know and we
019want to take the child to a place where they can calm down and to me that would be um this part of the child's um um support plan or you know or or incorporate into very often you know students might have that as part of their um either part of their behavior plan or part of their IB that in times where they're escalated they can go to a com a common space to you know to get de escalated so you know I'll say safety and um depending on what the the child's individual need is and and is this part of it part of the training because uh we know we know in the past there has been overuse of certain things in in some districts like seclusion rules restraints it's been news articles in the
020past and all that I'm looking to see what's in place to pre prevent it and to restricted to those cases so it's not used as a fail safe basically I'm not trying to I'm not knocking any teachers or any staff or anything for the easy way out of the situation and you and I'll say like our our our staff um are are very mindful um of that and and I would say you know staff would be using this you know in terms of if there is a need and and similar to what I was saying I think it it was still boil down to you know safety and you know if that's part of um a strategy for that particular child to help you know the the the child um I'm not aware of it
021here in bridport being um overly um used at all um but there is data behind that and I can get that information as well be helpful right because before we only had a specific explicit policy foral correct correct so now now now we're mainstreaming M the policy so it's going to be out there that seclusion is a possibility may have may may or may not been a possibility for the general education students in the past but with this explicit notification or inclusion of the general education students we are increasing the use with many teachers who as staff members who may be unfamiliar with the parameters where it could be used so there'll definitely have to be some some level of training involved with this you know just you know some familiarity with what the language
022mean and the language is you for a special education teacher there'll be only well with this but to your point me for everybody else then yes there'll be some um train that be needed how how about maybe embedding the words what you said when should be for the health health and safety of the child or in extreme circumstances something something like that to add something like that there is guidance that should not be the go to I mean because we've we've Al we all seen results of implicit bias and things like that I'm not sure if so you know so the this thoughts of by saying the Board of Education recognized that the use of a exclusionary timeout may be an effective method of behavior intervention for some students a Time setting used for an
023School gener timeout is an area for students safely deescalate we're talking about regain control and prepared to meet expectations to return to his oral program the time out saying offers a quiet place to be used when students are overwhelmed experiencing overation so this gives us as the intro it gives us some of that so but if you want to explicitly um State some of that we could um incorporate that in as well well if at the very least you can like look at it and bounce it off maybe cave or somebody and see if they got um anything else that can like emphasize it without running a foul of anything that that that would be great I mean we got a couple of weeks before the next meeting I don't want to give you guys
024a heavy lift but it's it it's just it's just a concern so adding more language that is um specific to When when when when it's when it's permissible M you got any thoughts on a suggestion can you explain a little more what you asking this last piece of it right I heard the r now because it's in a now it's gonna be mainstreamed right yeah Ju Just a Little notification within the policy itself that it should be used only in extreme circumstances and not as the go-to because like special education they had the explicit training there's gonna be there's gonna be a gap between training I don't think it's gonna be the go-to because that's paperwork that comes with that if I'm not mistaken oh you are correct so so if if I'm a teacher
025I'd rather figure it out without going to the extreme because I'm now I'm documenting extra that's a lot of time in documentation so I I don't know Mr C DAV yes sir collusion is not going to be used as a goto dis disciplinary action from from a teacher most of the time seclusion is used in an IEP in a behavioral plan uh it's not an it's not a regular ad setting use for this for for disciplinary measures so I don't want to be that specific there you know when we train with seclusion because there is a lot of paperwork behind this you have to report this to the state it is really really you know governed and supervised you know when it's actually used so I think the policy as written is is appropriate people
026that use seclusion we have to make sure they're trained and we document their training uh so that's so important so again I think we're good uh cab gives that in that policy recommendation uh in a in a way that's going to be relevant to the district as we train and as we utilize that so I I want to be very careful and not add any additional words to it uh uh moving forward so I think it's appropriate uh it's pretty standard uh with other districts across Connecticut as well and um do do these districts use the as a holistic thing for the general population because he said they said this is this is basically already embedded in the special education policies so they they they all have obviously be trained have trained it's the same
027policy though it's the same policy yeah understand but it's going to be maybe a whole universe of teachers who may be looking to this policy is that that that's my only concern I understand what you're saying about changing it that's why I preface but Bounce It Off C Bounce It Off legal to see if it would be good but if this is not the way the community wants to go and you don't want to go don't have to like that's why as first as the way so I mean I I don't I don't see if we necessarily need to do I think there's other interventions you take as a teacher instead of like going straight to seclusion including maybe just having the Child Take a Walk In the Hall way to to calm down or
028or having another staff member come and sit with them like there's other things that could be done that doesn't require um at the end of the day you documenting that you had to put him in seclusion him or her in seclusion um so I think there's and I think the I think teachers are well aware of that and this this is whether you're trained in special ed or not yeah I absolutely agree we do have aome teachers 99.999% um but I keep going back to the headlines of seclusion being used overused especially in communities like ours so that that that that's my concern there um but and the concern with the time gap between the policy and the trainings around seclusion being a r that that that's my thing so um yeah I'm not going
029to beat the dead horse because I see isign this that the votes to push it to the full board with looking into it so but however this one I don't want to wait the first and second read because I think it might bear a little more discussion at the full board on a couple of these points so I'll entertain a motion to push to the full board for first read health and medical no I'm sorry use of umary time settings policy P 51442 for first read second any further discussion all in favor I carries Madam shair please see that this one gets on the full and next up is discrimination policy all right so let's go to discussion of possible approval to board of non-discrimination policy noce p0528 so um our current policy is policy
030number 5162 um the last one this last time this was updated was April 23rd of 2012 so we'll be looking to replace this policy with a policy 0521 a um this new policy expands the explanation of discrimination and harassment it also adds um the contract person on the district level and their contract information so I think similar to what we had done before the recommendation would be to change um removing the name and leaving Chief human resource officer and then there's also the contact information for the United States Department of Ed civil rights uh division the contact over there in case there's um issues from the board and then there's always the um office of civil rights from the US Department education those are the the policy do we still have Department of Education I'm
031Comm commit first and then m m comment um okay um uh I think the only question I have I think you just answered that you're taking um Mr castello's name off of it yes okay yes put in the position supposed to is sorry sorry my my my my screen is freezing so I'm sorry if I'm delayed I had no further questions that's what I want to say all right oh thank you I'm sorry um I had a comment here um there is so on the second page of this document in parentheses in the second paragraph under short version um there's a placeholder in there to insert a website so I just wanted to flag that to make sure that um that gets completed yes and um um secondary comment and this comment is Broad for
032all the documents if we and similar comment I made on Monday for Title 9 if we can just um put on the bottom in a footer when the policy was updated last just to make sure that we're work we have the latest ones out there that's all for me thank you any further questions Len no I'm good thank you sir okay now this one this one seems to have a lot less questions and lot simpler so I'll entertain a motion to push the nondiscrimination policy and noce as presented by Dr saki With The Changes he noted [Music] with the wave for the first and second read for immediate implementation okay I second that uh all in favor I iOS motion carries mam chair please see that this one gets on the next agenda now last
033up is alcohol use drugs and Toco including performance enhancing sub substances poliy P51 31.6 okay so um then we do have two policies Uh current District policiy policy number 5136 which is elementary and secondary student discipline smoking and 5137 Elementary and secondary student discipline drug and alcohol use um so the the recommendation is to replace these two policies with the c policy um P51 31-6 which is the alcohol used drugs and tobacco including performance enhancing substance uh this new policy expands the definition of drugs Controlled Substances what under the influence mean electronic nicotine delivery system liqu with nicotine vapor products it also discusses students privacy rights um as well as explanation of illegal activities what falls under that um discussion on performance enhancing drugs medical marijuana and use of CBD products and then it also
034gives some recommended disciplinary actions based on any of these infractions um and I think you know this one you know I think will probably need to spend some time in terms of when it goes to the to the board um for a few discussion and reads um but you know this new policy covers a lot more than what our old policy covered um and questions Miss perz oh sorry I wasn't on again sorry um no I think this is like something we'll have to spend some time on and and and like Dr saki said um what would be I see that the steps you know the like but on on on disciplinary actions for having um substant in school um that could lead up to exposion um but would there be I don't know like
035some kind of uh steps to get there so it's not First Defense automatic and I I see that there there's stuff built in but like I wonder if we can get more specific on like you know it says um recommend specific assessments um do we have those specific assessments and I don't know if we want to include that in a policy but um I don't know I think that we have to go deeper on this one yeah and I think our our our code of conduct also covers um a lot of um in terms of infractions and what the consequence would be I think this policy just gives additional guidelines and suggestions um okay and as I was going through I sort of broke it up into into two pieces there's the one that's for
036all students and then the one that's specific to athletes um so I did kind of separate those two so I guess what we're talking about now is just specifically for all students and then I'll mention the everyone next um they are different pieces um between the two Dr Avery I kind of want to make sure Albert can you put give me the date of the the last revision of this policy um this was April 23rd 2012 okay so so what what what what this policy does is to put us into compliance for state regulations the this policy has changed several different times of since 2012 the definition of a controlled substance the amount of use the disciplinary actions of all that we we currently updated our student code of conduct to reflect the disciplinary measures
037that's going to be taking with the use of any of these these substances being tobacco alcohol our control substance the code of conduct currently is is uh in in compliance with state regulations regarding any of these offenses so we're we're safe there the only issue is we have no policy in place currently in the four that you've you've addressed tonight we have nothing to safeguard The District in the violation of these policies so the recommendation of these policies is to be able to get some in place we could work out the details of you know the the integral parts of each of the policies uh I know this policy when I reviewed it it has specific things about athletes uh we just we just hired an athletic director so we we're going to have to
038go in in in a depth perspective and getting the athletic director to say based on you know these violations of athletes we're going to do these things differently they will be similar to the student code of conduct but there may be some exceptions to that depending on you know if they set out a game or two games first offense second offense two games third offense maybe you know you know suspension for the remainder of the season so there's a few things differently where I've seen it done differently from the athletic perspective but we really the board's going to again we do have to kind of finesse this one a little bit but I think it's important to go ahead and get get something in place and then be able to kind of work through there
039is a lot of uh disciplinary um uh legislations that's going to go out again during this legislative session uh that I think this policy is going to be updated once more at the end of this legislative session so we'll have a little bit more defined perspective as well so again the good start is that we're here we're going to update it to the most current and then be able to kind of flush through uh specifics uh that the board wants done with it uh as we move forward so I just kind of wanted to at least preference that because this is a very indepth policy that I think we we we do need to spend a little bit more time on uh but I want to make sure that because we don't have something in
040in policy that's current for several years now I think we need to sure get something there and then uh modify it as we feel we need to do it from there just just my thoughts yeah um I mean um can I have the floor sorry okay um because I know I'm trying to get back into the there go um I saw like um some of like the first offenses would be like a 10day you know in school suspension or up to 10 days of in school I just don't want I I think we do need a policy in place I think you know no matter where you work or anything like that there's some kind of policy in place um on on use substance use um but you know I think if we can and
041I know we have the code of conduct where isone mute do you hear me now yes I'm sorry I think is a lot um you know and I I did see that there's like you know requesting counseling or something like that but um maybe we have other interventions as well not just a suspension but um some kind of um referral to to to maybe a um a counselor or stuff like that where they could be um provided some like uh advice on on uh substance use things like that um but that but that can be worked out down the line it doesn't I'm I'm not saying we should you know delay moving a an important item like this but maybe we can work something into that where um it's not just a consequence but we're
042also giving some education around around this yeah that would be important uh very important actually to get some additional options yeah and Miss Perez interestingly enough you know what you were you were just describing um was actually the one that fell um specifically regarding the athletes they talk about the first you know first second offence you know where they talk about you know expectations for the year you know you know students being made aware or educated in the fact that you know even if there images of them um engaged in uh um inappropriate activities whether it's drinking or or or or anything else that consequence can still be given um and then the whole idea of an annual contract where student athletes you know from grades 5 through 12 will have to sign but their
043parents would have to sign some kind of contract um um stating that you know there'll be refraining from um using any know these illegal um substances um so um but that one and and then we can also decide to you know to combine both of those um if we want but still keep them like C has as you know as like two separate you know one for everyone and then one specifically for student athletes so you know we have the option of Evo anything else Miss Pur no that's all I just want to um just make I know we have the code of conduct we went through that last year and I just want to make sure like you know we're following um kind of we we tear up that we we go in certain
044tiers for our disciplinary action and and um we're not over disciplining and it's a big issue but um yeah I'll leave it at that um Mr wson no I'm good thank you JZ my only comment on this is under policy implications the first paragraph there's some um language that is basically at from C that indicates that the Board needs to choose the policy that we want so um just wanted to make sure that we don't put in the policy that suggested language which is the first sentence of that paragraph if that makes sense it's page three under policy implications so there there were um there were there were about five pages in the document that I sent you that was just background information I don't know if that's what you're looking at oh I think
045I'm looking at the wrong document I'm sorry I'm looking at alcohol use and drug and tobacco we're not looking at that one right now correct no that's the one I think what Dr said is the background information that you that you pointed out y yes yes that's that was more background information for perfect us yes okay never mind then I'm good thank you turn um yeah Miss Miss per got a lot of points Dr saki got some points too I mean Dr Avery well you get points as well but Dr Avery's Point as far as us needing a policy in place and as forz his point of having to look at this a little deeper and actually you mentioned it as well Dr saki um I agree with everybody we need a policy but I
046I've ched this polic this committee before and in instances like this when we see a policy that might need tweaking we break this one two three four of us we get four board members opinions right here normally we would kick it to the full board we get first read maybe get some potential revisions kick it back to the community to discuss and get any updates that we might want I I can see this one being being um down the middle um with suggested revisions especially with like discipline in areas like that and and have and have it looked at and to three two three months and anyway with this policy I would not recommend that we bypass the policy that says any policy affecting students to take place the following school year because we're given
047them new rules to switch Midstream I brought that up last time but think years but there is a policy that says policies affecting such and such take place can take place immediately but policy affecting students take place the following school year that's in order to get people time to learn what they get paid for violating is one day something's leg something's not not legal something's acceptable and the next day is unacceptable and it's just been put on a computer screen where to see it be affected by the poliy so I would suggest we push this to the board for a first read have Dr saki look Dr saki through our Dr Avery have a Personnel member look into the concerns raised by Miss Perez along with another concern I have with an inaccuracy on the
048policy itself which states that marijuana uses illegal in the state of Connecticut which is not true it's illegal for people under 21 in other certain instances not that the rest of the policy will be affected by that because still illegal for kids under 21 care and control speaking of so everything else will still have the same teeth or whatever we needed to have going for without affecting that so that's something I just put bounce bounce of okay if that could be um put in without damaging the policy or making it vulnerable to problems and also I I got a question as far as um is B being treated any differently vaping cigarettes and marijuana possession or use on school grounds treated any differently from one another because they're all they're all they're all illegal of
049children on the 21 um I mean they're allal substances for students I just thought know there's any different kind the discipline because they they used to used to be like zero tolerance for drugs and weapons so you know use possession sale or distribution of drugs including cannabis including prescription drugs drugs par paraphernalia alcohol violation of State LA education policy is PR at any time on school premises or on any school sponsored activity think they're all considered illegal students right based on their see what I'm what I'm getting if a kid's caught smoking with smoking a cigarette and smoking marijuana they're both legal in the state of Connecticut but both illegal to be possessed by a child under 21 yeah yeah you understand now one one one is more harmful than another to the student of
050course but I I worry about the separate discipline tracks for if there is some difference we can most likely I mean I don't think it's broken down to that degree here I think yes it's not on the policy that way the policy is alcohol use drugs and tobacco together yeah okay all right so so I guess that's fine so I would miss well I'm just going to say that um you know the um I'll just look you know my my questions could probably be answered by looking at the code of conduct so I'll um I'll refer back to that for when we do the first read to to see what you know what we already passed last year um or was it earlier this year um and and see if I can answer my own
051question but then um you know we do I still think this will probably need the two reads um so I I'll make that motion to um bring it to the full board for the first read and I shall second that all in favor I I oppose motion carries and I believe that's our last one I'll entertain a motion to adjourn so moved second all in favor I I motion carries we are Jour have a good night e