March 11 2025 Jordan School District Board of Education - Live Stream

001e for e e e welcome to the Jordan Board of Education study session today is Tuesday March 11th uh 2025 and we have all board members present as well as our superintendent our associate superintendent business administrator and board attorney thank you for tuning in we're grateful to have you and let's hop into our first agenda item which is a discussion on administrative policy de 501 curriculum adoption and Review Committee Miss GF miss levvo and miss Ruto thank you President George we are happy to be here uh we are going to report back on uh the policy d501 and the procedures that we've um been through and then we'll quickly share with you some um new curriculum information information that we have so first as per the policy and we've listed it there uh the curriculum

002adoption and Review Committee curriculum Advisory Group uh consists of 21 individuals that have been selected from every board area uh also some patrons that we have um uh that we had from a running list of people who had volunteered as well as principles and teachers that group met together on February 26th to disc curricular needs within our district as per policy and we review contracts that are expiring things that are no longer going to be able to be used in our district the the um materials that we currently are using we ask how things are going with teachers we want to make sure that we have a lot of feedback from the stakeholders in that meeting and we also present to them uh some of the things that we're looking at moving moving forward as

003far as uh Pilots that we've been running possible new developments with the core standards at the state level and then we share and kind of get some feedback from them on some of our initial thoughts about where we'd like to move forward and they ask us a ton of questions so it's a great opportunity to have a lot of transparency in this process and based on that conversation with them uh we now are bringing to you uh two two new bits of information curricula that we are interested in pursuing and moving forward with in Jordan School District and so uh those two bits of information to curricula are social studies for grades uh k6 specifically and a new phonics phonics program in k6 and so no K2 um and so those are the the pieces

004of information we'd like to share with you now so K rosuto is our administrator in teaching and learning that is over social studies among other things and so I'm going to give her a few minutes she only has a few slides here but she'll give you some information about the social studies curriculum and then we'll turn it over to you to ask us questions uh superintendent Godfrey also sent an email to the board about this information giving you a link to some of the things that we're going to present here and I believe that this presentation is also in your board docs so you'll be able to click on any of the links here as well and ask us some questions so okay so um usbe updated the elementary social study standards in December of

0052022 I went through a couple of years to get to the process of them updating them there were several committees that vetted them both from teachers professors parents lots of community members that vetted them and they are supposed to go into implementation this year in 2024 2025 they are unique to the rest of the country in that they are really focusing in on history geography civics and economics in all the grades K through six um the or usbe picked Jordan District so it was a way that Jordan is leading the way again that we were selected to create materials for the whole state that teachers could use um for all of the standards K through six so last year I worked with uh teams of teachers from each grade to create materials that could be

006used um throughout the whole state and they are all tied to our grade level Ela standards and everything that teachers need is a aailable in there so this these materials they would not cost the board anything they are already created so it's free um and so the there are different links throughout that you can that you can click on because we've created it for the whole state um there is way more than any teacher could ever use to teach so that provides them choices that they can do that will fit their classrooms um um we had to think of while we were creating it rural communities as well as urban communities we needed to think about uh the Native American reservations everything throughout the state of Utah so there's way more information than any teacher

007would ever do so we have also created pacing guides for the Jordan District teachers to narrow it down but also to tie it in with more particularly with our wit and wisdom Ela curriculum so that they can make some quick tie-ins that way um everything is also available on canvas so we put everything all of the materials are accessible for them on canvas and parents are able to observe if they've signed up as an observer to know exactly what's happening with the social studies curricula because it's so um our state legislature has created several laws regarding the teaching of History uh these are the ones from the most recent years and we made sure to add things in the materials that would follow the guidelines from the state and even the most recent one that

008was just passed the Patriots Day resolution just last week by our state legislature that they are going to be honoring April 19th as Patriots Day because that's the first day of the reev American Revolution so we I'm in the process of getting something created for all the grade levels so that they can honor that day um so all of the materials are grade level appropriate you can see one of those is the Holocaust Education which we are made sure was grade level appropriate for all the grades we have in conjunction with our literacy made some times for the openhouse for parents to come in everything is digital so they don't need to come in but if they want to come in and ask questions these dates and times um I will be in the office

009available to answer any any questions and talk about what the materials look like and just to kind of show you I'm going to go back to the curriculum the link so you can see everything is digital and it's put into books we have it set up with either by standard or by month so they can follow it either way um if we look at it by the standard you can see the history geography civics and economics and then everything that is available like I said there's way more than they can ever do in the time that they are given for social studies but they have lots of choices in ways that they can teach um these different standards so do you have any question questions where's the open housee will be at the ASB okay

010yes this information with the links to this that bookshelf that you just saw will also be sent to all of our parents k6 digitally so if anybody wants to just spend time diving into it looking pulling apart looking at all the different lessons they have plenty to access the openhouse is uh if somebody doesn't have access to a computer we can provide them with one but we'll also have um K or others available to answer any questions that people might have is this currently being piloted anywhere in jsd yes it's been available for our teachers to use last year as we were creating it we had it available as well so that we could update and fix things and so it's been available and sometimes links have been need to be updated so I've been

011able to update those and I actually have brought in some of the team members um as well the past month to update some of them that we have found needed to be updated so you mentioned that usbe invited us to do this which congratulations I think that's a high complement of what they think of your work um is this now like an open education resource that can anyone access this for free so usbe is actually going through the process themselves of getting it um approved by their by the board there so that it will be available for the whole state and is that limited to Utah or will it be put in OE it I don't know that they they will make that choice of whether they'll put it in Oar or not we just

012want to be first on the scene so we're bringing it to you before we app is oer an open education resource so free for everybody so it hasn't technically been approved yet by usbe they are having several people vet the lessons this year and going through that process so do you know when it will be implemented Statewide like their plan is I think they're hoping next year so in the fall of 25 okay I happen to just click on one of the links Civic and character education for the laws yeah for the laws that we're creating curricula for and I was wondering is is this just like a a onetime teaching like fourth grade they learn about being honest having Integrity morality civility you know or do we reinforce that throughout so that should be

013reinforced but the actual um some of the standards from K through first and second grade they have that exact phrase copied and pasted into the standards so that if you look directly at the standards for first grade if we come back here um it is in one of the standards where they're supposed to be learning about those character traits and it's in second grade so we have things throughout that they can be learning about it in second grade specifically we we have different months where they focus on those different character traits but then they refer back to them throughout the year well no it it does yeah those things do come up throughout the standards Miss George if I may um K would you mind talking to us about the house bill 381 pass that

014uh talking about social studies standards and what would be required in high schools um it now requires us to have or will require us to have 3.5 credits of social studies for each graduating senior the state if I understand it was at 3 Jordan District has been at 3.5 for for some time and this just brings the state up to where we're we already are and it does require that at least one half or0 five credits uh may be earned uh through a policy analysis government system Civic engagement or an involvement in in some sort of other program similar to that so just in keeping with this this in speaking of Utah's laws I thought that might be relevant so that is that a a different proposal than originally wasn't it extending for a full

015year of government and now it's it's 05 the way it passed yeah it included graduation requirement is equal to or exceeds three and a half units or three and a half uh semesters or credits including at least one in American constitutional government and citizenship one credit so a full year of American and half of that American government could be done through policy analysis government systems Civic engagement or some sort of other similar program is a little adjustment for us in terms of an extra it may be that's what I just wondered if if Mr rudo had any further information on that or so we might have to change a couple of things with the high school at the high schools but a lot of the students are already doing things that could count so it

016it's not going to be a huge huge change for our district um but there will need to be some some changes made I think it would require the school just to look at the course offerings and make sure that they're offering enough and and that the courses offered are consistent with what the the law now is describing as acceptable um courses for those units for that extra point5 that's required Statewide thank you sorry to put you on the spot with that but that was IR relevant to the the conversation other questions on the social studies all right again wait wait oh sorry um so so we will be implementing this in the fall correct and it's just another new curriculum we're giving to our teachers unfortunately they're all starting at the same time I feel

017like right so this this curriculum is different in um that it's it's not going to have an assessment with each piece um and everything is embedded in what they do so um if you if we look at because I have the first grade open um if we pull up I was just looking at this one earlier today um this lesson on this Native American woman um it has everything that they would need to do it has a little book that um the they could learn about her and her life and um it's not going to take a lot of extra time and a shout out to our creator she learned how to do clip art like this on her own so she learned how to create this and then it would have a little Peacemaker

018worksheet that the students would learn about how she they can be a peacemaker following the example of um this lady so this would be the extent of it they're not going to be tested on it so everything they have is available ready for them to use they just would make copies of it or if they do it on canvas they could do it on canvas similar to what they're already doing and so except for they don't have to create it on their own that's why I was just going to say they're probably going to be thrilled because right now they're kind of gathering what they can right yes so all the teachers who have been working and piloting it this year they have been so grateful and say it's so easy to just fit into

019their day because everything is already there and everything that they need I might also add that case's done a tremendous job of working with integration so as far as like Whitten wisdom does a lot of social studies things so she has also organized lessons so that as teachers are already doing Whitten and wisdom if they choose to go into depth the resources are available so it can broaden and extend and hopefully provide some additional materials that they didn't have before and similarly when we talk about a product called youly which is an abbreviation I'll let Michelle describe but K is also linking passages that have to do with social studies that they can be used in our phonics program as well so seeking for more integration in the ways that teachers can um not have

020to look at it hopefully as one more thing and going along with that I've done based off of our Jordan District pacing guide the ufly passages that I've been creating are following that pacing guide so if they are following it they could use those passages to just fit in with that pacing guide it is an important point that we worry about everything happening at once for elementary teachers the dis the state's timing is not our timing I guess is what I would say and we have to I think we've tried to delay some things and time some things and this is actually a support I would say that some of the changes we made in some other areas while also a support were also a big shift from the way things had been done previously

021instead I think this is overlapping with some other things already happening providing materials that weren't previously provided so it's not stretching it is new but it doesn't stretch methodology and and the schedule and other things in ways that maybe other bigger initiatives have so it should be more of support than a lift it's yeah right I think it's more manageable um and what is the life expectancy of this when we started um one of the directions that usbe gave us was to plan on it being usable for 10 years so will that create some maintenance for you or you just create it and well for our Jordan District teachers yes I will do provide the maintenance for them thank you not for the whole state it it is a it is a big deal that

022Jordan's teachers in that k have been so involved at a state level it's really an honor and I dropped in on the group at least once and they're all pretty excited about social studies it's uh there a lot of social studies energy radiating from the room so it was great thank you for representing us so well were our teachers received a stipend I hope for this and then were they did that come from the speed usbe okay perfect all right other questions on social studies okay let's hear about reading yeah let me just uh quickly announce this or introduce this idea as Michelle connects so she's got one over there um contracts contracts is a thing that you know as we know curriculum often lives and dies by contracts and a contract life is a

023usually about five years sometimes it can be more we can also do year-to-year contracts they tend to be more expensive which is why we go into a 5-year contract and the impetus for this conversation with our d501 and we actually started this conversation with them last year because this is kind of a a bigger contract that we've had with Elementary K2 has to do with phonics and so the the product that we have been using which is really great reading our contract is expiring in June of 2025 that's what the what that is what necessitated this conversation so we have h a product that we like and that's what I'm going to have Michelle present in these slides so this was a a recent ad so you should have it now also in your board

024information and we get it it's beautiful thought you had a very calm screen saver very ver seoa not sure we love technology for really great reading is up that is crazy it feels like we were just learning about this it up do I not have a right thank you thanks K maybe it's a whole thing now I have a black screen there we go um but it is funny cuz I can't see how to advance it let's try to look on this for a second I can't so what it's doing is it's acting as another display so now it's on that screen okay go ahead and present all right okay there you go okay I'll go ahead and we can um use Caroline we don't have many slides so yes it is um amazing that

025time has gone by so quickly I do feel like it was yesterday that we were here talking about really great reading and um we'll go ahead and Advance the slide um so in just giving you a little background and a little context we use scar Bros reading rope as a way to explain how reading takes place in the brain so there are two pieces that need to happen for reading the first is we have to be able to decode the text we have to know what the letters say what the words say and be able to pronounce those sounds and those words then the top half of the Rope is um referring to language comprehension we also have to know what those words mean and we have to have some background knowledge and some information

026about what we're reading about and when those two pieces come together when we can decode and we have some uh vocabulary and some understanding of those words we have reading comprehension and we want that to happen fluently and efficiently and so when we've talked about last year when we came with wit and wisdom we were talking about the top half of the Rope the background knowledge speaking and listening writing language comprehension vocabulary those pieces So today we're going to be talking about this bottom half of the Rope which is phonological awareness phonics and word recognition being able to um recognize words quickly and easily as they're Insight so um that's just uh kind of where we're going with this today so we'll go ahead and Advance this side to the next one so we've had

027um five years in our contract with really great reading started in June on June 23rd of 2020 it will expire this summer June 23rd of 2025 and we've seen some uh I I'm grateful for the Journey that we've had with really great reading they've been a fantastic company to work with um our teachers have had some great experiences it's been a fantastic building block for us um we are seeing 72% of our kindergarteners leave at Benchmark now which is very exciting um we're holding study with 61 to 64% of our first and second graders leaving at Benchmark and then seeing this rebound of 71% of our um third graders leaving at Benchmark so while that's that's good we want to be better we want to um expand and specifically what we would like to see

028is we would like to see with the kindergarten leaving at 72% of course we want you know 95% of those kids at level um by the end of kindergarten but we also don't want to see the decline we don't want to see the drop going from kindergarten to first grade we want to see them keep that 72% and move them even higher than that so that's what we um are hoping that we're going to see with youly and what our goal is in supporting teachers in this way so goad and forward um yes oh um one thing to note about this is that when we adopted really great reading um we were just uh the the um state was really starting its Journey with the science of reading at that point and the nation was

029as well and while there were some good products on the market there weren't a lot of them and um right now we have more products on the market and some of which have really developed to be very strong and um one of the things that also happened in this process is that um before 2020 um usbe did not have requir IR ments about phonics programs or phonological awareness programs and now it does and um ufly is one that is approved by usbe it is on the rims list and as an approved tier one phonics program um really great reading is approved as a tier 2 phonic program but not as a tier one phonic program so that is also something that we keep in mind as we're looking forward with these programs so as um

030we're talking about uly um it comes from the UN it's uly is an acronym that stands for University of Florida Florida literacy Institute um Florida has um the Florida Center for reading research they're one of the leading um leading entities in the science of reading in the United States and um they um have supported letters training and you may be aware that our teachers in grade kindergarten through uh third grade and also our special education teachers have been able to have letters training which is a two-year program um helping them understand how reading really transpires and learning about best practices in the science of reading um and um this program the way it was born is um Holly Lane is one of the creators she's a researcher at the Florida Institute and she at the

031University Unity of Florida and what they noticed was that their uh teachers were getting letters training as a pregraduate but when they were going into the schools to teach the programs that were available were not matching the training that they were receiving in letters and letters training actually has a recommended phonics lesson plan and this uh program youly is built as a onetoone match to that phonics lesson plan template and it has all the pieces and components that um would be want that we would want to have in a good phonic program it is both research and evidence-based meaning that we know a lot about research and how this happens but also we want to see that when we try it in schools does it work and so this was originally tried in um three

032elementary schools to start with and then went to a district of 21 elementary schools and since went to many other elementary schools and to prove that it does in fact um have high results and we started our pilot this this year with youly and we've seen some really great things as we've started our pilot um some things that we've seen is Teachers really like it um the reports that we're hearing from teachers is that they feel like it's um an easier lift to learn how to um do the routines and it's an EAS easy implementation everything that they need is right there um it's really affordable there's a one-time cost of $90 per teacher that includes what they get is this book and all of the resources that go along with this book are all

033free online um and um the Florida Center for reading research has always had their products free and online since I've been a teacher for you know all the years early '90s that they always had their resources free now when does that $90 license expire it does not there is no ongoing contract which is wonderful because not only do we need to every year it's it's a lot of work keeping track of making sure all of the we've all of the teachers have a license and all of the kids have a license and that they've all been assigned their licenses and it's it's a lot of work and it's a lot of money and so having a sustainable product that does does not require a contract and does not require ongoing licenses and does not require

034us to have this discussion again in five years um is really something that that is exciting we have several products right now in literacy that are sustainable we use hegerty for phonological awareness that's one that is ongoing that does not require licenses 95% Group which is what we use in our tier 2 um is also sustainable and does not um have ongoing contracts so we have some really that I was very excited when this um came available um we did see which was promising in several of the schools that we uh worked with this school year we haven't had endof year data obviously but we did get middle- ofe data and in several of our schools that first grade bump that I was talking about where we have that dip in the middle of first

035grade and then they they stay low by the end of first grade um that did not happen for several of the schools in fact what happened was at their beginning of year um the kids that came in we saw an increase by middle of year which if we continue to see that and an increase Again by end of year um The Hope is that they would end up at least where they ended in kindergarten if not higher so that's that's promising and um the teachers of also said that the kidss this this lesson these lesson plans require students to do a lot of writing they they build words they are really Hands-On participants in this and the teachers report that they feel like they have higher student engagement because of that um of course we

036want to be sensitive because as we point as you pointed out we have had a lot of change and some of the changes Chang that's been intentional and other pieces have been um that we just have to make it happen right now because it's the way the uh that we're structured but we understand that math is also new and there's a a bit of training that happens with this it's around a three-hour training that we bring teachers in and we can train them in using the program within 3 hours uh we know that we'll want to continue to use haerty uh we saw with our kindergarten that that was one of the pieces that um has continued to be strong and it's a good support so these two programs will work really well together um

037and what we're hoping is that for next year knowing that teachers have had a lot of change that we would like um first to seek approval from the board for uly and secondly to continue and extend the uly pilot um with those schools who feel like they're ready to move to Utah or youly we've had several um several schools asked if they could be if they could join the pilot or if they could be part of of that pilot we know not all schools um or all teachers are are at that point considering um that they're still learning the new math curriculum and they're involved in that training but um but we would like to seek to continue our prog our pilot program and uh we do have as Kay mentioned we've worked together to

038provide some open houses where families teachers board members community members can come and look at this curriculum firsthand we'll also send a a notification to parents about these open houses and some of the materials can be accessed digitally but if they want to handle you know and look at any sort of manuals we'll have those available at these open houses you have budgeted funds for this or are you asking for additional funds well um we have ongoing money that we have um for really great reading this will be quite a significant dip in that so if we will have to have some of that funding PID for schools who will continue with really great reading on a onetoone like a year-long contract because we're not going immediately into uly but we'll have to negotiate that

039we've already uh kind of worked with the really great reading to get a price and we think that will fit Within the budget that we've had for really great reading and that the whatever these new schools will need will still fit within the operating cost for what we've had for really great reading this change the structure of walk to read time and how much of a change will that be that is a great question so walk to read time is um structured as an intervention this is a tier one instruction so the hope is that with this instruction that um we'll have fewer students who need intervention that's always the goal to try to get as many students as we can at level in tier one instruction and so it shouldn't change walk to read

040at all there shouldn't be anything new or different the only thing that could happen with walk to read is this uh program could also be potentially used to reinforce skills and so if a teacher wanted to rather than put kids in a what to read um group who aren't who weren't not or who weren't flagged with a with a cadians with the needing a diagnostic a teacher may want to just reinforce what they did in their tier one phonics and this would be an appropriate place to use that we're not looking at training a huge team we're looking at training just the teacher for this program yes um I am hearing some feedback that we're spending a a large portion of the day between really or between Wht and wisdom and our walk to read

041a lot of time is going into um reading instruction which probably is appropriate for elementary but will this change that balance at all or are we looking at a similar time time so this won't change the time that we spend in tier one phonics um this program takes around 30 minutes which is the recommended time that's what usbe um recommends it's also what research recommends for funex instruction in tier one really great reading took about the same um the one thing that's a little bit different is that in the way really great reading was structured um we did always a lot that that 30 minute block of time in the day but um the day one and day two in really great reading was a little bit shorter um the lessons were a little bit

042shorter and the day three was a little bit longer and so it was a little bit of a balancing act for teachers to kind of see how that time allotment would work where this is more of a standard um 30 each lesson each day takes Rel about the same amount of time there there is a little bit of discrepancy as far as um day one is just a little bit shorter than day two but um that extra time should be used in reading the from the text that they learned the day before doing some oral reading F let's see good questions General curriculum question we heard from Miss Ruto okay Miss Ruto that we have teachers capable of generating excellent curriculum and then we spend millions of dollars to buy curriculum from various curriculum providers

043across the country and I I know I've asked a question like this in the past um but I I wanted I wanted to hear the answer again I guess if we have staff that know how to create excellent curriculum why do we look to pay millions of dollars outside of the district to buy curriculum this example doesn't fit because it's so inexpensive so it makes sense to go ahead and and and purchase it but in some of the other cases what's the justification for that may I uh respond I think what this demonstrates is that we are there are certain subjects and grade levels that may lend themselves more easily to local creation of curriculum as opposed to purchasing curriculum and where we are able to we create the curriculum ourselves where we're able to

044find something inexpensive we find that but sometimes we do need a curriculum that is more comprehensive more data based and that's not to diminish any particular subject that's not to diminish anyone's work but some in some areas it it it's it's more conducive to creating that locally than than for other subjects Case by case it's Case by case so if everything we did was always created by us I might that might give me pause and if everything we ever did was always purchased for me millions of dollars from far away that might give me pause but I think we create a good combination of of sources based on what we're hoping to achieve and and um how technical some aspects of curriculum might need to be so price and bandwidth are the main consider sometimes

045it's bandwidth too I mean having the USP support to to to to do this is is is helpful um but it's it's a question I think we need to ask ourselves each time is there another way we could have accomplished this more locally and for less money and and I think about um like wit and wisdom for example where there are thousands of books individual books purchased so the amount of money that goes into the the material materal so you know what I mean so even if we had created a similar program it would still cost just as much to purchase all the books and so even when I think about um $90 that is a bargain but there's also the cost of the paper for teachers um preparing lessons I mean so it is

046it's inexpensive you know but there are other costs associated with it if do you know what I mean so I think there are some things that we don't automatically think about or see when we're looking at purchasing curriculum we also for social studies we also received a significant amount of money from usbe to pay stiens to the teachers so it wasn't it wasn't free right yeah and then and and I and I understood that as well I would I would just be as a board member I would probably be willing to offer money to teachers who wanted to get together and and create curriculum yeah one other thought just as we're talking about that you know social studies can at the state level is nuanced for the state of Utah so it makes sense as

047the superintendent mentioned to have people in the state working on some of those Concepts especially you know given what the state of Utah really wants to see for social studies uh the science of of of reading has been a national movement that with letters training and some really good research coming from um like the University of Florida some of these other places that are very specific those Concepts uh and the specificity needed for those exact kind of scientific pieces um wouldn't be beyond our capacity but at the same time it would it would require quite a bit of time and and effort to come up with a product that was that detailed based on the kind of research that is needed for reading and it's not to say that it's not trying to diminish social

048studies it's just a different audience I think to his point I want to make one other comment President George mentioned that uh open educational resources that has not always been um a super available Trend I mean now they're coming more and more open we just did that with math uh when we were able to get a math resource we paid for the training but not as much for the actual resource and as these materials become I mean you have a university who's really working with this and so the cost is minimal and as that becomes a greater hopefully a greater Trend we might see more of that becoming available but so far it hasn't been as prevalent as it is now I would just um add that youly in particular that um this is a

049nonprofit organization the university doesn't get profit for this so we've been told that it's the the 70 $5 covers the cost of the printing and the paper and the binding and then the rest is shipping so that's why it's great question thank you uh I appreciate Miss level your enthusiasm for the curriculum I felt that um I think I understood that you said some of these elementary schools will wait a year before implementation of this and how do you determine which elementary schools wait a lot of it has to do with where they are in terms of their Math training and we let principes decide that because the the teachers that are going to be specifically in the in the crosshairs here are going to be K2 um those are the teachers who are also

050doing math training and who would potentially be doing this uly training and we want to be very sensitive to the fact that certain teams have have um taken that on they're moving forward um but if they're not feeling ready or they don't you know are wanting to to hold for just a minute they can they can move another year through really great reading we can accommodate that as they finish their Math training and um and we're trying to allow them that uh that that choice that voice and choice that kind of helps them to feel like they're a little bit more ready we're moving in this direction if the board approves this and so we we hope that there's um you know there's a timeline in place that we can help them with that but

051we we felt like it was just something we needed to be aware of at this time and to miss Barrow's earlier comment that allows a school to decide to stagger but we wouldn't say we wouldn't say everyone has to do it this year or everyone has to wait for the next year so that we're staggering it for them because some people are very very eager to get their hands on youly so we're trying to balance both because if we wanted to really save money we'd say everyone's doing youly this year it's happening now because we don't want to pay for pay for a program that's on its way out so I think they've struck a really good balance if you are craving this you can get it right now if you need another year because

052of everything else that's going on you can wait a year so I I really like the way that it's that it's structured and um just to reemphasize what was said before I've only heard about social studies that it's a a support because oh here are all the materials I need and here's the updated everything and it's on the states timeline so what I really feel like we can do from here on out and someone will quote me on YouTube about this but I really feel like we're settling in to where we can say okay we have some really upto-date cutting edge curriculum in place and we can lean into this for a long time because things aren't expiring uh it's upto-date um research that backs it and we can really lean into it and focus

053on doing it more and more effectively rather than what's the next thing that's coming there will always be change but I think that will be minimized in in after the next year or two so are we only waiting um we we'll have to just see where we are with with math I mean again we we're trying really hard to just get a finger on the pulse we want to be very careful and cautious about how fast we're moving we think it will help us to save money but to the superintendent's point we that's something that we could negotiate with with principles to help us see what what makes the most sense here it it does make sense to move forward at some point we are going to have to say we're doing this whether that's

054you know into next year but we feel like it makes sense to you know to kind of ease into this process for now we're talking timeline not deadline okay yeah there you go good way to say it I will say anecdotally the only uh emails I've received regarding this are how can I get to do it every email I've heard has been wow this school gets it and I want it to yeah and I've have been a part of listening this has been a great opportunity for us to bring in again these teachers and just listen to what they're saying and we've done that already in two sessions we intend to do it in three others with a several of these teachers that are are implementing to hopefully learn um the best things that we

055can do to help with the training and to kind of allow teachers to ease into this especially as they're also doing math we're very sensitive to that so will this come back to us for approval yes so what happens next is we go through this openhouse period we've tried to formulate as many dates before school after school during school that will accommodate people should they be interested a lot of it will be digitally available and we'll send it out to an email to parents and to teachers k6 and in terms of youly it will be probably K3 just because it doesn't apply to some of the upper grades and then once they've had a chance to review this then we'll bring it back to uh it has to go through two open board meetings so

056with with open Patron comment so two meetings will take pres will take place and on the second one of those open meetings that was when it will be on the agenda we think to have you to have you vote but we can of course do anything according to what timeline you would like and the email goes out to parents can we get a copy also for sure let me just say this new process works really well for me that you come early on in the stage make us aware long before the public is you know beating down our doorsteps trying to tell us what's wrong with it we have an exposure to it so I I know this is a change from what's been happening you're I just love the new process and I I

057have to hand it to the the the people that you've chosen to be on this committee they are great voices they've been very very helpful in terms of their Reflections giving us things to think about before we even bring bring it to you so thank you questions great thank you so much for your time it's exciting to see progress in the district all right up next we have our 2025 graduation speaking assignments Mr Sorenson come on down [Music] I'm gonna hand out a hard copy it's easier to take nice take some notes as we're going through a lot of different names everybody get your calendar out yes please Brad I'd like to know who said the best way to predict the future is to create it both of them both of them no it was

058not Abraham Lincoln he is you're correct right so when you Google that they'd both get credit you know when they look I know we have three schools using the same theme I thought that was hilarious and uh so when you Google it both have been given credit but to your point Erin I also look that up and noticed that Abraham Lincoln actually never said that but uh has been credited for saying that a lot so he said we let anyway it's Peter it is think abam Lincoln said use you should let some of those schools know that's what the internet said so so anyway we'll uh that is never wrong I'm glad that you all caught that there are three schools using the same theme it's exciting um okay so we're here uh excited to

059kind of look for some assignments as you know our our schools uh look to they're they're in the process of planning and preparing for their upcoming graduation ceremonies with that comes the names of the board members that will be there as well as cabinet members so that they can uh finalize their programs and things uh that are going on there at this point the names that are listed there just so you know that are in green but this is a black and white copy so all those names listed under board speakers are in green uh but uh they're from last year so those are the individuals that had that spoke last year at of those assignments the ones listed in the smaller print underneath uh the top one were board members that also attended that

060gradu that graduation ceremony schools do appreciate knowing board members that plan to attend so that they can prepare accordingly uh and and kind of go from there so our our goal tonight is to try to finalize these assignments so that we can get those out to uh the different schools you can see down underneath and and we've kind of listed them this year so that they're done by the first one and moving on down instead of alphabetical like we've done in the past uh so we're looking at time conflicts or anything that works and down at the bottom South Valley and Kari Sue both have indicated at this point uh that they don't need speakers but if they end up having a ceremony or something available they'd love to kind of have a backup name

061that's in there uh and and River's Edge is is looking at potentially having one graduate so those are much smaller just so those of you that haven't been through this those three listed down there are kind of uh more simple ceremonies that are done at that Local School uh and then everything else you'll also notice that heram and high has now included themselves into the rotation down at UVU so all high school graduations are taking place down at UVU over the two different days uh and moving forward in the future they just plan to kind of circle their rotation so uh which means if if Mountain Ridge High which is our last on the second day in a year from now we'll move to the first day on the early slot and that's how that

062rotation is going to start uh now that we have all six schools in there can you verify King's peak's graduation CU I I can't yeah I I can verify so it is at 6 o' is that what tell me what you're asking it says May 30th 2024 oh my gosh oh yeah that is incorrect we will verify that that is incorrect we will I apologize for that uh as much as I've looked at it will be it will I believe it's Thursday June 5th so we just didn't change that day below at 600 p.m. it is so that it's at the same time as Mountain Ridge High yes I apologize for that Daryl The Hope sorry that was an old date right in there that will get corrected that would be creating the past I

063don't know who said that one but just wondering if there's some kind of person going to graduate exact conflict as last year too every year but not in the future darl starting forward we're rotating and it will not be a conflict in the future this meeting is once every six years it will but not not not next year I have to worry about it in years I will take Herman I'm happy to speak but I will definitely be there so I'm going to let you decide how you want to issue these out yeah how do you how do you want to anyone want to come to Herman with me or will I be alone I'll come with you Mountain Ridge unless they're tired of hearing from me but I want to attend Bingham okay so

064Mountain Ridge as a speaker and Bingham as a visitor okay I'd like to speak at West Jordan high school's graduation and I would like to attend Copper Hills High School graduation same as last year yes that's Brian on Mountain Ridge though would you want to speak there or you have some I'm I'm fine speaking at Riverton or Copper Hills either one if if someone else has strong desires to speak at either one I'll speak at the other one I can swap you if you want to just have some variety um okay so Brian is speaking at Copper heels okay I'm G to put a little speaker Suzanne should speak at Riverton that's the school she represents coer Hills is the school I represent is that the only one you have it doesn't matter I they

065have heard from me every year do you have somebody graduating from Copper Hills that you know no MM not this year I will be at Copper Hills for sure and I plan on also being at Copper Hills got you at Copper Hills but if somebody else wants to be there I don't have to like pass out diplomas you know because I don't know how it would work with three people I am planning to be at Valley I can speak or if somebody else wants to I'm I don't have a reason also attend there like to speak Suzanne oh you've got one speaking at Riverton sorry that's what I assumed we just and then at Valley I'm happy to or happy to let you and I I would like to attend Valley um graduation also so

066Valley we're g to have have Nikki Suzanne and Lisa um I am not speaking yet anywhere and Aon is not speaking yet anywhere Aon should speak at Bingham I'll speak at Bing okay so would like to attend West Jordan high also Daryl is attending darl are you speaking yet Mountain oh at Mountain Ridge okay and tell me where you just said West Jordan you're going to attend okay Wednesday June 4th Riverton suzan Aon Riverton is going to be Ryan okay Bingham will be Suzanne okay um remind sorry I started taking notes on one so Valley who said they were coming Suzanne and Lisa sorry I'm using your first names I'm slipping here I'm taking notes too just in case I'm trying to catch all of this so we can bounce off each other so King's

067Peak High if it is the evening of the fifth I cannot attend so can I speak at Valley is that okay with you guys okay so I will speak Valley oh I was asking the other people who already said they wanted to come Lisa what so what day is Kings Peak again it's not May 30th it's Thursday June 5th yes sorry about that it's still at 6 o' right it is that is correct is anyone available I I I can attend um I can attend King's Peak i' I'd like to attend King's Peak as well okay who which of you would like to speak I'm happy to speak but I don't have to you're both speaking once so and yeah maybe Aon should I can speak at King PE sure will speak Lisa will attend

068okay it's reserved all right Mountain Rich we only have one board member attending so far which is fine but I'm just pointing it out I okay Herman did we I know Bryce you're speaking is anyone else attending darl Daryl said he would sorry I slow there in that case I might go to West Jordan but I'll just be in the audience I won't be on understand because why go home well sit on the stand goodness yeah you feel extra reported darl no don't don't put me down as being on the stand I mean I I don't carry the way but that's a long day that's a long day but they have those little sleeping ask you want to get out of that parking lot twice like these little no nothing else is happening this same

069day as Copper Hills why are they so early I mean is oh Valley it's Valley that's why Copper Hills is Thursday at 8:30 I am okay I will be at Copper Hills so then who's after that rton Riverton I'll stay for Riverton too okay what about South Valley these are just visitors we don't speak there but I'll go I'd like to go to let me check my calar I also want to go to South valy it's so fun okay and then Kari Sue it's Friday May 30th tentatively put me down for that one and we're okay if we just show up to K Su graduation right it's just nice to know that there's a board presence yeah but if you want to come and you don't sign up now nobody will kick you out as

070you can see like kisu has their parade that they do outside so it's yeah yeah it's fun to cheer it's different yeah put me down for Kari Sue as well I think I will also attend okay and then River's Edge can we outnumber the graduates yes we can yes yes we can so Friday June 6th unfortunately I will be out of town anyone here I'm probably here and I will probably go to carar sue in South Valley also well attended okay so are you volunteering to speak at River's Edge yeah is it just a two-way conversation do they want to speak sit down how many graduate how many graduate stud right now we're potentially going to have one so it is a two-way conversation yeah that's what I've heard I mean usually there is a

071speaker I've spoken there before but they'll communicate with you what what it is we're looking for on that so no it's two to one no it's two to one yes we did it okay okay should we can we just I'm going to clarify if that's okay with with my notes so so President George is speaking at Valley uh with Suzanne and Lisa attending is that correct and then at Bingham High Aaron will speak uh with with Suzanne and Daryl attending at West Jordan we'll have Lisa speaking with Aaron in attendance Herman will be Bryce speaking with uh Daryl in attendance Copper Hills uh will be Brian speaking with Nikki and Lisa in attendance at Riverton uh Suzanne will speak with Brian and Nikki in attendance at Mountain Ridge we just have Daryl speaking at Kings

072Peak we have Aon speaking with Lisa in attendance at South Valley we have Suzanne and Aaron and Nikki and Daryl all ready to attend we have Ki Sue we have Brian and Suzanne and Daryl and Nikki also ready to go and Rivers Edge we'll have Daryl speaking with Suzanne and attendance did I get that correct yes and I am a question mark for Kari Sue okay okay but I would like to go if I can make it okay perfect okay for your information according to quote investigator. comom eight people said that statement my favorite is anonymous is anonymous well we'll let the schools choose what they put in the program as their I'm quoting Abraham Lincoln because I'm going to [Laughter] Herman okay W with that i' I also included in uh board docs kind

073of the guidelines I don't know if you had any questions regarding that as as I finalist this finalize this document um but but basically it's a pretty simple speech that has some specific language that we followed that each uh board member says you can see on there it talks through the expected language that the principal uses as well as the cabinet member uses and then on to the board member to to receive even finalize that graduation so uh those are the guidelines that we use uh if you're like cabinet members I'm sure you could share some of your thoughts maybe that you share we do that a little bit on the cabinet level and uh we again we all recognize it um we we try to keep it simple and short but uh it's your

074prerogative you're you're the board members so that's just that's just an encouragement or suggestion coming from the high school so anyway so so can I just clarify so we are to speak two to three minutes on the theme indicated and have to speak the them we don't have to speak that's just FY refence just so you know and then gown on stage yeah will I be getting it I'm I'm assuming this is not a ball gown but a graduation gown yeah it is it's a graduation gown and once the the gown on stage yes is a graduation gown the no if you want to wear another sort of gown you're welcome to but Navy dark gray or brown maybe black yes that's those are the colors that are recommended in the guidelines you know so

075uh have missed over the years just not to be a yeah a standout but once the schools know who it is what they'll do is reach out to you okay to get your sizes so that they can work with Justin's to make sure that we have the the correct size of gown for you so if you don't hear from them uh please let me know uh that you haven't heard especi so again that the schools that have the gowns you can see are Bingham high and Riverton so um King King and Kings Peak you are correct so those three if you haven't heard from them uh as we get into April please let me know and then we can reach out to make sure but once we give them these assignments they're usually pretty good

076about reaching out to to try and get that information from you are we still renting gowns at the school or are we now starting to purchase them you know they they have moved actually to a disposable gown I I believe that is transitioning this year so it is heard the cost is like $5 I have two of them now do you yeah so it's they're they're right around the $40 and then there's no more collecting of the gowns so I can't promise that's the case at every school that's a school decision that is a school decision as they work with Justin's uh you know or whatever group they're working with but right now I do believe they're all working with Justin's yes so if I still have my own graduation gown yes or you could

077get a second one depends what degree is itg if You' got stitched on I think there colors it's just black my high school one was white but I won't I won't pull that one out the white one might stand out yeah I do have a black one yeah I wear the ones I I I wear mine for my doctorate with the Chevrons and all that so you can wear you don't have matching colors yeah you can wear the you want graduation they will try to work with you though if you have that degree from a university that they'll try to get you the hood and all that that is the right color and so you mean I could wear my hood from my I should well I think I have it in a box somewhere

078but they I think they could also ensure that they get you a hood if okay you seem a little bit excited about what you get to wear at graduation evening gown graduation is this not the time to say I have a closet full of costumes I think it's I think it's tremendous I'm really excited for you not sat through a whole graduation yet the enthusiasm will be different next year I attended all my graduations I believe suzan it takes about an hour and a half to hand out diplomas yeah the best air conditioned Arena the the amount of potential and effort that is in that room yes I believe it is intoxicating it is amazing so will hurt from smiling so wonderful your hand will hurt they will shake it with such enthusiasm by the

079end of the night especially if you're there three for three graduations yeah if you do the males especially and they're really excited they'll just grab your hand by the end of the day your hand is killing you the heads up it's the greatest it does take longer to get out of the parking lot than to pass out diplomas though I need to teach you my secrets then okay we're talking okay any other questions regarding graduation ceremonies I know uh last year at UCCU at that Center uhhuh I was told as a board member I can drive straight up and they have reserved parking for me right that is correct that is correct okay so if you've been there there's kind of a preferred party pass past the booth there yes and then you park back

080where they dock where the yeah the docking area password is John lson and they let you back they did ask for my credential last year and I hadn't brought it with me the email the guy let me in anyway but he was a little annoyed that I didn't have it with me just pull up the web page if you forget it the website just give him your speech Abraham Lincoln ww do four scoring seven years it does still take 20 30 minutes to wait in the line of people getting in to park but once you get in you can yeah okay yeah Y and if you leave spot there before the graduates have had a chance to collect them things and get their parents you're out of there in no time it's going to say

081last diploma and then you book it to the yep last you shake everyone's hands and you walk out and you're the first one out of the park I would appreciate any additional tips that one can provide these are all great tips actually so you're getting some good ones just remember that there's a large screen and you are on stage and the moment you touch the side of your nose as in the Seinfeld episode they will show you on the big screen so just sit and like you're at an auction and if you move you're going to have to buy something these are the I need the moment that you make a wrong move the camera will be on you and and you are elevated above the students so keeping that in mind as well usually

082usually there are flowers that kind of are in between so hopefully that's the case again but just something to think about like a wall too yeah that's helpful it's a fun day yep fun day okay I think that's everything thank you on that hey don't leave the table I'm here we'll just roll into the Fe schedule for 2526 I'll invite Cody to join me though okay let me see if I can connect here Brad can I ask you one more thing will you give us an updated list um of this I will yes I'll email everybody I'll go back put the names once cabinet members have also finalized our assignments and then I'll get that out to everybody here in the next week or two thank you okay I'm doing airpl I think it's let's

083see start mirring there we go okay we're excited to talk fees there's a lot of a lot of uh uh adjustments and and information that'll come as you know uh a lot of um the the new bill House Bill 344 that went through that kind of will buy I I want to make sure I'm referencing the right number correct Mike uh that that gave us a little more time and a little more thoughts uh as we move through that but I also thought it again I know several of you have seen the history of kind of how we got to where we are and you've seen this slide we've condensed that a little bit but we want to make sure that uh those that are new to kind of the creation of all of this

084and basically what we do on an annual basis uh and when I say we and Ice these fees are mainly a secondary item uh there are no fees that are allowed in uh the elementary ranks however there are some uh uh programs that we offer that students participate in where they do pay a fee to participate in that in the elementary rank so uh so um as we go through this just again this man I can't believe it's been a long time since fees were gen generated a long time ago and we've had a lot of good work and a lot of good things that have gone in and what we do as a district and you've seen that link from perhaps is the the the web page we just found it easier to present

085and put on a website uh that that we go through but uh again what dating us way back to 2019 we have we we've continued to to review uh fees and fund balances with principles there's lots of concerns about the amount of fees that were being charged and and often times the balances that remained and so we made a concerted effort to have annual visits and and monthly visits actually with all of our principles to look at those fees look at their balances creating a variety of of systems that have been put in place to get where we are what we call those spin plans uh are for the approval and the extracurricular uh we had updated the ones that you see on this slideshow were last updated just last year and those the ones

086that we we used again this year but as we go through that the process just so you know at the school level uh what happens is principles do spend time discussing and approving the requests that come to them by their by their staff their coaches whoever it is that's coming in as they submit those spend plans copies of those spend plans are available for anybody to look at to see and they're maintained at the school level so if anyone has questions about a spend plan they could actually go in and visit with the school principal who maintains those spend plans there uh once approved by the local Administration a proposed fee schedule is sent to the district for additional review by the AOS and prior to being put on our proposed fee website uh and

087then again ownership of the extracurricular programs are discussed in great detail by each of the schools uh with their with their coaches their advisers uh regarding their programs we always remind them spending this year's money on this year's students is is a goal that's what we try to do we're collecting money we want to use it you know on the students this year uh if it's not on the fee schedule we do not charge it so we're very particular about look if you want to to charge something you need to submit that in this process and make sure it's on there uh and so we have had groups come back to us and sometimes we've even had coaches changes that we didn't anticipate with the timeline that they've come forward and so often times we

088either work within the fee schedule that existed by the previous coach and just tell them they'll transition that in the future uh but it's important that they know that if it's not on our fee website those are fees that that will not be charged uh fees must be charged equal to or less than the expense incurred by the Lea again our goal is to you know when we collect fees is to use that money uh and and make sure that we're spending that participation fees Focus specifically on program cost uh such as Transportation officials uh uhsaa dos huddle which if you're unfamiliar with what huddle is it's kind of a a a filming program that a lot of our coaches use to exchange films with opponents but it's also to to use for coaching if

089you have kids that have been in our programs uh they're able to actually watch themselves over the weekend to see what that looks like so it's it's an expense that comes with that depending on the sport uniforms and structural equipment material and other supplies an ala may not impose an additional fee uh or increase a fee to supplant or subsidize another fee so you know it's never our goal to charge a fee that we use for something different than what it was meant to be used for so uh and acknowledging that other accounts can be used uh to supplant another program cost so cannot be used sorry if I said can uh so moving in moving into the the new school year of 2526 uh as you know the law passed a year ago that

090that basically limited us from charging in these these three areas School equipment uh with only a few Exceptions there are some exceptions core class content areas uh we actually have not charged in core content class areas for years math English Science and History there are some lingering ones out there that that have some questions that will continue to dis act but for the most part those four areas have have been pretty protected from any fees we've been trying to provide those without a fee already uh and then General in nature which is the registration fee that we're used to collecting and paying for uh that is one fee that is significant that will go away uh and no direct benefit to the student paying the fee so so though like I said at the high

091school that has been gosh this last year it was I want to say what was it 80 we had reduced it it was 105 and then we reduced it down to 80 and middle schools the last two years were what Cody they were switched down but that is a fee that we can no longer charge at all so so that is something that will be uh a big change moving forward uh fees that may be charged under certain circumstances a a curricular activity where a student receives a credit or a grade while participating in the extracurricular activity uh if it is for the following so these are curricular programs that uh let me just give you an example of that we we have a lot of we have some I don't want to say a

092lot but we have several classes where kids actually take the course and receive uh you know a credit for that class so uh kids can for participating on in a in a extracurricular uh sport they can actually receive a 0.5 credit for that for that participation to help cover some of the elective PE classes that we have uh and so we can continue uh if if the following is laid out here uh instrumental music equipment if it's required to become the property of the student and it's non-consumable music instrument rental School activity clothing such as choir suits and dresses not regular for clothing items and then elective classes that are outlined in House Bill 344 so that is an active link right there so if if you were to click on that link uh it

093will take you directly to the law uh that has been passed and you can kind of look through that to see what changes happened from the previous year to this year um other fees that we can charge are adult education classes we can continue to do that tuition for college credit exam textbooks basically our AP classes our IB classes and concurrent enrollment are still laid out as far as classes where we can charge a fee uh fees to participate in driver education is still uh identified as a place we can charge fees and competency remediation programs uh makeup packets things like that where kids are making up credits uh can we can continue to charge that fee discretionary projects uh may require a student at any school level to provide materials or pay additional fee

094so a lot of that what you'll see is is in our Woods uh our auto type classes where they're choosing to participate and you know or wanting to build or construct something that is above and beyond the class uh so they're choosing to they want to build a bed or a dresser that really isn't part of you know uh the requirement to demonstrate your competency in that level but some kids want to do that and so we can charge a fee when it when it's expensive like that and then all of our extracurriculars uh you know can still be charged including the life cycle replacement cost of school equipment uh directly used in the activity question yeah so there are some areas where we have been charging a fee and we're not able to do

095that anymore by code by law that is correct are there some of these uh exceptions or a fee may be charged in the following circumstances are there some of these areas where we're not charging a fee but we can now and we're wondering whether we should yeah to to kind of make up for the areas that we can't anymore yeah Curr currently we're charging in most of these areas where these exceptions have existed we've been charging that we kind of look in to to ensure that we can still charge that and we have been uh charging to my knowledge I'm trying to think if there's anything Cody you can think of but where we can we have been charging yeah I ask a quick question on the extracurriculars including the life cycle replacement costs um

096I feel like when we know something needs to be replaced it might be like at the end of that season and so will we then make the new students pay for that cost right for the incoming or should we have made the students at the beginning of the year pay for that cost cuz you know it's going out and so yeah how we do it actually is in those areas and I'll just I'll just use a basketball uniform as an example because we we try to have our schools purchase uniforms that they can maybe use for two or three years and so we charge a percentage of that value of that equipment so every year uh what schools do in a case like that like if we're rotating uniforms out every four years we charge

097a25 percent so that it's consistent so that it's rotating through that process uh to to the point of you know it shouldn't be every third year or fourth year group of kids that have to buy the new uniforms so we are we we do spread that out and we include that as part of our participation fee uh when we when we put those in place thank you yeah okay these these are just examples uh so you can see what the spend plan looks like uh that is that is kind of managed and handled at at each of our schools so what happens is a is a teacher coach advisor would would kind of fill out this form and then submit that uh to the principal for consideration and you can see on there we kind

098of ask them looking at their balance where is it sitting how is it going to be used so these are the spend plans that we talk about that are available able or maintained at the school level so these get passed out we we start this process sadly early in November uh which makes it hard at times because we're just getting going it feels like in the school year and we're trying to plan for the next year but to meet the timelines and to give them what they're doing uh they they begin this process uh pretty early and so uh these advisers and schools will set up kind of a deadline to get to them so then principles have time to review that have these conversations and discussions with them to to kind of go over

099where their balance is with their account and look at things so so these are the spend plans that are that are kept there those are the class fee and then the next one is just an example of our extracurricular uh spend plan form and then as you can see once that gets finalized and sent and approved by the principle that Yep they're good and they make adjustments as they have conversations and that's what you'll see as we go into our our proposed website is where uh these conversations have Led Led to changes or adjustments or sometime complete elimination of a fee or sometimes a a brand new addition of a fee because maybe this year we had a big balance and so we didn't charge this year and now we depleted that balance and so

100now we're back to charging a fee so uh these are certainly the worries because in the 25 26 school year uh are potentially the fees that will no longer be available to us so or in that should I say the 26 27 school year so again this this was a a direction that was provided to us by the board way back in 2019 uh to follow that process uh and then you know there's the proposed fee represents both required fees and other optional fees uh that that are on the website and I think as we look at that website as examples you'll be able to see um what some of those optional optional fees are I have a question about the last Slide the last bullet says all fees listed on our proposed fee website

101are subject to fee waivers and less oh my goodness unless indicated by an aster I I thank you for that unless indicated by an as yes I apologize if that got shifted down I missed that thank you that's what it is so on the it is a cliffhanger what unless what it is a cliffhanger so unless indicated by an aster so you'll see that okay thank you Asis okay um things we want to discuss and and we're we're hoping to get from you first of all uh this is kind of our proposed uh timeline that we're looking at obviously today we're here having a conversation for the first time uh as we're looking into that uh as you may or may not know we're required to have two public meetings uh prior to these fees

102being approval uh are being approved and so the next public meeting will be on March 25th our plan if if everything goes as is we in working with Sandy rcraft we plan to send out to uh all of Jordan School District uh patrons uh and families that this is our proposed fee schedule uh that we will be having these public meetings on these dates where they can come and make any comments uh so so our plan is to communicate all of that out so that they're aware of what the new that the new proposed fee website is available for review and that they can look at that uh the April 888th is highlighted in yellow because that is a study session only and so we would probably have to add a public meeting on that

103day just for the sake of fees so if if you're good with that then that's where we can kind of squeeze that in we were given this additional timeline as you know originally all of this had to be done by April 1st but because of the new bill that uh took this time to pass we've been given some grace period to get things done uh but we're hoping to get everything done by May 1st is that right Mike on a deadline the uh State Board of Education actually took this up last week and they extended the deadline to actually July 1 so we have more time we were originally told May 1st would be in the bill they worked with the sponsor of the bill and they extended it to July 1 which really is

104not a helpful date but we have to have it done well before then but we do have some some leeway there we could take a little more time than than what's indicated here but we could also condense it and finish it all before May 1st uh if we were to follow this proposed timeline but that would require us to to put out an additional public meeting on April 8th so any thoughts there President George what do you think I would prefer to do the shorten timeline um and have things put away in time that we know what to expect for next year unless there's a public outcry okay yeah always open to change if if our public demands it but if it follows what we've seen in previous years I think we'll be fine with

105this timeline okay so so there's no concern that constituents will be surprised by a public meeting on the second week instead of the fourth nobody will well in addition to the fourth so we'll have we'll just add a section of public comment to that meeting and I think that's not something we've never done before we're so it might surprise someone but we have a past precedent the vast majority don't even know when we meet and we're removing fees we not adding them so is that on us they don't know when well there's 18 online right now so we will we will certainly put that in our communication that we put out that we'll be adding a public meeting on that day so they'll be notified in plenty of and let me ask Will that public

106meeting be limited just to this topic or will it resemble all other public meetings where anything can be addressed okay and historically there's not a lot of people that come and say anything the first year there was so there was a law change that says you can't like for example football had a massive increase because now you have to pay for all Transportation within your budget you can't use a trans Transportation budget to pay for football or the sports team traveling so their fees went up dramatically I mean hundreds and hundreds of dollars and we heard from a lot of people there but where we're not making major changes and in fact we're actually decreasing fees I wouldn't be surprised if there's a lot of outcry except in our participation fees you'll see that as

107we come so there are some increased proposed but perhaps something we can talk about yeah I am curious historically what was the intent of the board in 2019 to have these fees listed transparency you don't see it on this list you won't pay it we're not going to sneak anything was this a request from constituents or I'm just kind of curious about the context there if anybody can recall so I I don't know about the recent past but I I have a full folder from when I registered at West Jordan High School and inside this folder it has listed all the fees and so I think it's possible that it was going from a hard copy that is available it I don't know I don't know but I'm thinking in the past there was a

108time when it was available a different way and now it's I can speak for my history um Bryce and I been on the board longest when we got on the board we made school fees a high priority we started to look at accounts and um we' have some groups that were saving for big equipment and um had large balances and we just started going digging through those kind of did our own audit then eventually the state did an audit because they saw what we were doing and we really wanted to focus on this year's money spent on this year's kids so we have done a huge lift um even National article articles were written about us and so we thought we found the balance now I think the state removed that balance um which is

109up to them but you know there'll be some consequences um that will the public will have to pay um when they find out that you know this money is not there anymore and we have nowhere to find it but um it has been a high priority of our board and our district really to make sure money's collected is wisely spent and I I applaud administr even I applaud our coaches because it really starts there it starts with our coaches and our teachers and parents communicating and and then Administration by the time it gets to us a lot of work's been done but the process has really been great in finding that balance and um you know the state did what they did and we'll have to figure out a way around it but we've this

110has been a significant issue for the board for the last decade and just by way of um process is this the last discussion we will have with you on this or when we have these other meetings will you come back yeah we'll be here at each of the meetings you can ask us questions at any time but those public meetings are typically just available we don't do a presentation at those meetings but if you had questions that you've been hearing about then we would certainly be available to answer any questions that you get yet this next item the proposed maximum total aggregate uh I I I highlighted it in Orange here because I we John and I did a little looking at where we are uh way back when we set this $7,000 Mark uh

111at what it might look like and actually uh we discovered that we we have some kids that are quickly approaching or exceeding amount so uh what that means not not a significant number but uh what it means is that the total aggregate is once they've hit it's kind of like a ceiling right once they've hit this $7,000 uh anything that they acrew above and beyond that $7,000 would then just be covered by the district uh you know so many of these kids participate in fundraisers where they're able to reduce a lot of the costs that are Associated to their kind of out of pocket uh and so those those amounts have managed to stay under that but we have found in some cases if a student had not participated in fundraisers uh we we probably

112would have I think it was one kid at this point one one student at this point that actually uh exceeded that but we we are looking at when I say several we're talking 10 or 15 students that are right in this $7,000 range and uh so there's certainly some caution there and and my suggestion or proposal might be that we look to increase this amount unless we're interested in covering the uh cost above and beyond what's currently set at 7,000 as Brad said it's kind of like an insurance out-of pocket maximum the deductible once you hit that yeah once you hit the max deductible then your knee's getting placed you're you're going on every trip you can getting everything done that's the potential we don't know of anyone who's actually acted in that way not

113know well that's what the limit is there for and but you get when was it set this was this was set when we first did it I'm going to guess 2020 so it's been a while when I mean we haven't moved from 7,000 since we started this process so about how how much does it look like um these few students are going to exceed the 7,000 uh we saw some that potentially could be in the $99,000 range do we have to have a maximum we do how many of the students approaching that are taking advantage of of the extended trips that we authorized recently uh I don't don't when we looked at it John I don't think we looked and dissected it that closely um to know to know that they is it one trip

114per activity or are they doing two trips per activity right I yeah these students participated in more than one trip but I can't say that it's in within the same group do you know what I mean they may have done a fire trip and then a you know a baseball trip or something like that so but are they now taking two baseball trips correct and so that so and what we're looking at is not NE we looked at this was the 24 23 24 school year where they were coming on and so these kids that might be participating is we may have more than that this year uh as we're looking at it so it certainly is concerning that we're we're seeing some students that have had to have their own expense because they're participating

115in a lot of different things and and we're seeing several trips that are increasing uh we we looked at yeah it's it's it's just concerning enough that we wanted to have that discussion that it is our you know my recommendation my my thoughts that we look at increasing that and we talked to the number of a $10,000 aggregate so I was thinking 20,000 maybe I mean something that they're just not ever going to sure hope hopefully do I mean is there a downside to choosing a number that they're very unlikely to reach I I don't it again it depends depends on your thoughts on what we're willing to cover if they do exceed that and so uh if we want to ensure that we're never covering additional cost for anyone that's participate you could go

116and there isn't really a limit I mean it is up to the board of education to determine it's what is required is just that they do have a total aggregate number do do coaches use this aggregate as something like oh we can charge up to this or is it just something that the board decides we will cover past this that is correct it's what the board decides coaches again within their program they're not get they they're not they going to have a student that gets to that but it's when these students start participating in multiple you know my program the highest it'll ever get is 4,000 well that's the same as my program and they're doing it in both and so now sudden it becomes problematic so so I think we should do it really

117sorry so regarding the fundraising I think you mentioned a student could opt to participate in fundraising and would prevent them from hitting this number so that would be an individual versus a team yeah fund fundraising that's the trick here fundraising is optional uh we did find one student that did not participate in fundraising at all and so none of none of their expense came down because of the money that they raised while doing fundraisers so they were they were right near that that amount and that would be part of my concern they opt out so so that's just out of pocket family expanse and now it's above that amount and and we're in trouble what um constraints are in place for let's just use an example of something like drill where there's a lot of

118it's not just I need equipment for this I mean you the Mind reels at the possibilities of what you could spend in something like that what limits a an organization when it comes to what they charge for a fee are there parameters it's really the ation with the local Administration right it's kind of reviewing what is so so it is those conversations when they're creating their spin plans uh and and what that looks like and you know what is choreogra choreography going to cost us this year uh things are just more expensive so there parameters are just in my mind the the conversations that they have with the local administrator uh you know looking at programs concerns parents parents kind of barometer that right when they're being asked to to spend a lot of money

119or or put in a lot of money or how many fundraisers they're doing uh I think there's a a general sense of of where they're they're limiting but I wouldn't say we have anything in place that says you're limited to only charging this amount uh La says it you can't exceed your actual costs yeah that's true that's true so so talking about cost costumes for example and how elaborate do we want to be an elaborate costume for every song of every number that I do the entire year there's nothing that says okay let's be reasonable other than parents trophy complaining a lot yeah yeah so there that's they're really like I said it's a conversation about the spend plan and what seems to be excessive and and uh and it's a conversation between the coach

120the principal and the AOS are you involved in some of these conversations I am not actually but at least the principal is the principal is yeah I'm in conversation with the principal about the balances and you know where these accounts are and how many fundraisers they're they're running and like I said usually they try to run a lot of fundraisers if if their levels of of trying to come up with this stuff are high you see those groups and organizations doing a lot more fundraisers than you will others uh and so so they recognize that this may cost us a lot more so we're going to sell a lot more cookie dough or whatever that is to try to get where we're going so okay thank you I've got a question um and it might

121kind of go along with this but back on slide three it talked about charged fees must be equal to or less than the expense incurred by the Lea give an example of what that means uh L ticket to travel the hotel right but what what is is the school absorbing some of that cost austan you know somebody atool buing so the the the key is like for example when we we can't we can't charge a child you know our families a lot of money for bus expenses and let's say let's say our total bill for transportation that we get for busing for this year's season is you know $110,000 we can't charge the kids $20,000 for a $10,000 bill so so that's what we do when we put this together is we always look at

122the previous year's expenses and make those adjustments accordingly uh and so golf is a is another great example where tea times uh you know and and the golf fees that we pay out there we you know we can't we can't make money on students it has to basically cover what we're paying out so those expenses that we're paying out uh you know if we're going to charge that much for a participation fee that's because that's how much it's costing us to to pay the golf course to cover all the green fees and use of their space that we pay so you know or the buses again you know we we can't we can't say we're going to charge and participation fee to cover $20,000 worth of Transportation bus costs and our bill will only be

123$10,000 we H you know we're currently we still and and and again you'll see we still charge less than what our total costs are for that very reason is because we can't charge more but but if we do charge more then then technically you refund that money back to the groups that paid that in and so all of our fees and amounts that we are charging we're still kind of taking because it's hard to guess where that's going to be and what the increased costs are going to be for a variety of areas so we typically recommend a lower amount knowing not to match up against that concern exactly so so we anticipate our transportation bills to be at least $110,000 but the reality is that they cost us 12 this year and so we

124we we have to figure out where we're going to get the $2,000 to cover what was more also that relates to classroom fees right and that's where they spend this year's money on this year's kids comes from is that you know we can't charge more for the classroom supplies in an attempt to kind of create a surplus and carry over to the next year the money you collect is spent on this year's kids and that's you can't charge more than it requires you can always charge less but we just can't charge more we just can't charge more than what our costs actually are so like for example like with golf or whatever and it was $50 per student to go use the green so many times a month we would maybe charge them that $50

125or maybe we would charge them $30 correct just kind of depends on correct because again the timing of this green fees sometimes maybe are increased so a lot of that is depending on what items cost and uh you know so we're using our guess that this is going to cost us this much so yeah green fees might have gone up and so instead of we were anticipating or going in charging 50 because that's what the current green fees are but all a sudden the golf course increased that over the summer and so next years are now 60 but we don't have that money to collect so we can always charge less so then we fundraised for that money that kind of that's balance difference to try to cover that cost but we can't just charge

126a 100 in anticipation of a $50 greens fee increasing to 60 or to 100 if that helps yeah so if they go over their budget they don't have enough fees charged are coaches allowed to seek sponsorship from a local business to cover that difference or is the district obligated to pay it no we um the district ultimately we're obligated to pay our bills right and so yes we're obligated but what will happen is you'll see that man we are not charging near what we need to charge and so we're going to we're going to add some fundraisers in the process to try to help cover what it is and then you know they'll make their proposal and pres present for the following year we came up way short we're we're always trying to make it

127a little short from what we're guessing just for that very so that we're not charging more uh but it's amazing what things cost and ultimately where these things go so so yeah the the best way they have is is to do exactly that how are we going to generate some Revenue to get to where we can cover the cost of our program uh and fundraisers tend to be the answer for that in the extracurricular world could could they they couldn't come back though because it wasn't listed and say oh we came up short so now everyone needs to chip in 10 more bucks they can't do that they correct they have to just they can only charge what was approved to charge that is correct but one of the parents could pull out their checkbook

128and say I'll fund the difference sure they could and how do we know the differ like how do we know when it happens like what if somebody were to ask for more money for something is there what's the check in Balance yeah the Safeguard against a parent not saying no because they can't say no uh you know to me to me the safeguards are sometimes we end up cutting some things that we may have thought we were going to get in this process because we just didn't we just didn't receive enough money to get all the bows that we thought instead of four bows we're cutting down to two bows or you know I mean so it's it's a it's just kind of a you're you're adjusting on the a little bit with that to

129see where your revenue is coming in and what's being generated and your fundraisers are never as successful as you hope them to be and so you're going to do more fundraisers uh in that process so it it's just and that's again why it's a constant checkin balance through the year to see and when I'm asking principles and Cody's asking principles why is this account going so far in the hole and what's our plan to kind of get it out of the hole and and they create their plans to to kind of work on that it is tricky I have a question about middle school fees so it looks like um there won't be any more like Lagoon day for nth graders no uh Lund day is is happening it's being taken off of the fee

130schedule being taken off of the Fe correct because it's an optional activity that is not um fee wable so we're just taking that off okay okay they're still doing it yes so can I make a motion here I move that we change the maximum total aggregate fee to $10,000 I'll second that okay we have a motion by Mr denford to Second by Dr Robinson to move the aggregate total to $10,000 any discussion to that motion so miss George my concern would be if we already have someone knocking on the door about nine that 10 may not be high enough yeah I'd like it to be around 20 or 25 at least I I don't see what the harm would be in saying we are not going to anyway even higher I think the harm could

131be that the state would look at us that we're disregarding this requirement um as I just quickly looked at other districts that we're actually higher than some of the other districts there's 6,000 and such and I just don't want to disregard it I'm fin with moving at 10 this year 12 or 13 next if we have to but to throw it out to 25 or 50,000 I think the state would look at that and say they're ignoring this requirement and so I like 10 where that's a pretty good jump since it was set our argument can be really good because um inflation's hit pretty hard since then also the reduction of other fees that could have been our safety net is no longer there and so adjusting this year maybe adjusting it if we need

132to next year rather than one huge jump we're not a lot of people have hit it yet well are there did you see any districts that were more than um I only looked at Alpine and and canyons and granite so I didn't do a thorough look everywhere but and they may all be having this exact same discussion saying hey we have people hit it the other point I was going to say is we've increased the the number of trips people could take and so there's three good factors that could potentially do that and we don't want to you know charge our tax payers more because people are exceeding but I also don't want to disregard the state um who has put that maximum if we have to put a maximum it should be a realistic

133maximum did did the state put a maximum for the total aggregate fee amount they did not they did not they didn't put a total amount just that it had to be fre that it had so but it didn't give a number it it did not so we could do a really high number because I don't want the district to absorb any cost for students activities you could it it is up to you to determine that amount something that makes me nervous about going much higher I'll be honest it will be a hard sale to get me past 10 is I am concerned that we are telling our advisers it's open open season on fees and that you can buy yourself a State title I am very uncomfortable with that idea I feel like we as

134a large District can contribute to that ethic and I understand that these aren't necessarily directly related but what is the messaging if we're like oh anything sky the limit we'll say 100 Grand I just think we need to show a little bit of restraint as we hope our advisers and coaches will follow be because I feel like this $7,000 the the maximum total aggregate fee amount has nothing to do with how much how many trips a coach will go on or a extracurricular Club will charge um and I think that regardless of what that is coaches and advisers will if they want to continue to add and add and I think that there's a danger especially with um more than one trip that the potential for the district to eat the cost is is increasing

135so like this year 15 students next year 50 students the next year 300 students I I mean I just feel like I want to be well away from the spot be because I don't think that this is giving permission to advisers and coaches hey this is how much I think that there is a a balance of what the the family are willing to pay for their um their students to participate and I think that coaches and advisers have to be aware of well you know even though you know I we we don't want to go above $5,000 or we don't want to go above 250 for this you know club or team but I would just put forth that if that started to happen as a board member I would would pull back the policy

136I am I am not comfortable with open rain on spending money I if I could interject I I feel like the parents are a good barometer right if coaches start charging exorbitant fees the parents are going to retaliate and say no this is ridiculous so I did not see it that way um that this is a so-called um you know way of telling coaches that they can charge more but I am for an increase because I would hope that that would encourage our students and our parents to participate in the fundraising events yes I know fundraising can be not enjoyable at all but I think it's worth it to teach the kids to work for what they need and so uh I think it's an increase now is fine um but I don't think it

137would I don't think a major increase would encourage coaches to to keep adding more and more fees because parents would be there to say no I don't agree I said 10,000 because in the spirit of fee waivers there is an assumed responsibility that says I can't pay this and my child desperately wants to participate and so by making it it so high we're basically eliminating that in the spirit of fee waivers this district has taken the decision to say look if this is too much we'll accept that responsibility and by simply saying we're not going to have fee wavers or we're going to make this so high that we'll never pay anything I think that's over too far on this side I think if it's too low it hurts us on this side but I'd

138like to find that nice little balance that says look for someone who is legitimately involved in different activities has put their whole heart and soul in these different activities but has to choose because I can't afford it I want them to get to an aggregate that says you know what this the school will cover this one that's the spirit of fee wavers the reason we offer fee wavers is we because we get to a point where it says we'll accept the responsibility for those who can't pay this so that's why my recommendation is 10 it seems to me like somebody a fee waver would not reach that point because they wouldn't have paid no it's the spirit of fee waivers it's the idea that sometimes so we do want to pay for a student who

139does go above the aggregate we want to pay for them I do okay because I I do not we've only ever done it once right so we're having a pretty big argument for something we've only done once if we have 10 go over 10,000 this year let's look at it next year I mean I mean whatever they go over is not going to be a substantial cost to a district our size and so I I think that we're arguing over something that we don't know that's even going to take place well I think of um like Bingham cheer and was it Herman uh cross country going to National competitions and I am so happy for them to do that but as as a school board member I I don't want the taxpayers to pay for

140them to participate in all of those extra trips I feel like and anyway I I just think it would be okay to raise it to like 25,000 because I just like I I want people who are on a fee waver to be able to participate at the same time I think it's okay for families and students to learn to make a decision about which trips and activities they're going to go on which ones they can afford uh decisions about fundraising I I I feel pretty strongly if you can't tell about the district covering the cost of of these trips that exceed $10,000 you know like or $7,000 or or not just trips but uniforms and meets and you know I just think when we have I I anyway I think I've said my piece but

141I think that well I'll just stop there I've said my call for a vote and then can we just ask Administration to bring us back it's it's the minoret not cheer being a minerettes and the Herman cross country um can we bring back their totals and see if their totals if there's any students in those groups that are participating they'd have to be participating in other things too and could we just bring back if anyone in those groups can I chime in real quick yep um I the message I would want to send with this um proposed maximum is pretty much what Lisa is saying I a as a taxpayer I'm okay paying for someone to learn math English reading I I'm not okay paying for someone's green fees I mean there there's a difference

142for me in paying for someone's green fees and and and maybe there's not a difference for other people but for me there's a difference in paying someone's green fees and paying for someone to learn algebra you know I'm I'm okay with that as a tax payer and so when we say things like the school will absorb it you know you have to peel that back a little bit because it's the taxpayer who's absorbing it in the end it's not the school or the district it's me and it's you that that are paying for someone's athletic or extracurricular dreams to come true and I personally I think that is the respons ility of the parent of the family and in the case where there's a situation where they can't afford it I would rather look at

143opportunities for local businesses to sponsor or um fundraising opportunities for that student I just just as a general principle if you're doing extracurricular things you should be responsible to pay so yeah that I I I would rather send the message by setting it super high would it be helpful if we were to get numbers cuz I'm I'm looking at one of the high schools and I'm seeing sometimes a 25% increase from last year sometimes three times sometimes 50% increase it would help give me some perspective if I could get a sense of what is the overall increase of all the proposed fees this year compared to last year and and then say well if our fees on average are 30% higher then I think we ought to consider going at least 30% higher on our

144aggregate would that be helpful for any of you you're also looking at an old aggregate that's more than just the change from one year to the next that's right so if there's a at least so if we looked at the percentage of fees from 2020 to now then that might be a better metric for that and I think you know as far as the role of the board in this could I for example say I'm looking at this 3D design that and this seems egregious to me can I line items say I've got an issue with that I think you can ask questions at any time so so as far as advisors getting carried away I think we already have a checks and balance not only from parents but from the board if we see

145that there's some abuse in these fees getting extravagant or more extravagant we've not only done that I vote against some of the fees because of that I voted against the fee schedules because of some of them where I'm coming from on this is my hope is that our advisers and our coaches are being thoughtful with the money they're asking parents who sometimes at Great sacrifice are investing in their children's extracurricular activities my hope would be if we have leftover equipment that is still in decent condition we are using it rather than charging families because we can um that's really where I'm coming from here and I hope we are being careful and thoughtful with the dollars of these families I think with the spending plan that's the spirit of the spending plan it is yeah

146I I I think there at at the board's request best coaches and athletic directors and principals and Mr sson and his staff have been very thoughtful about that and for classes at this Middle School level they have been very thoughtful there can also be demands in the other direction look at what this these other teams have we want to have what the other teams have we can't be competitive if we don't go on these trips and as you've seen from comments made by parents in board meeting sometimes the demand isn't coming from coaches despite parent resistance it's the other way around it's that parents expect the topshelf experience that they see other teams having so it the P poll goes both can go both directions It's Tricky I I appreciate that president can I call

147the question okay we have a call to question uh do I have to do roll call on that one okay all in favor of called the question say I I any oppose nay how do you do a substitute motion is that already passed the time for that to occur well we can do that we just passed call to question so maybe a motion after we see if this carries because the call to question passed yep I didn't hear any Nays at least did I miss a nay n all right so we have a majority for called to question all in favor of increasing the proposed aggregate total to 10,000 per year say I and all a poost nay okay so that motion fails do I have another motion yes oh sorry that motion fails with

148the nce being Miss Dean Miss Wood uh Miss Barrow sorry and Mr all right so that means one of the four of you needs to present another motion or the aggregate stays at 7,000 I think Bri yeah I I would like to make a motion that we increase the proposed maximum total aggregate fee amount for 2526 to $25,000 I second hey we have a motion by Mr Barnet second by Miss Dean that we increase the aggregate fee total to $225,000 per year here any discussion so no one's interested in understanding the percentage of fees increase since 2020 before we determine what is the appropriate aggregate I am interested in having more information that's why I voted nay because I would like to have more information that's also the reason I voted nay vote nay again

149my vote nay was based on the comments that I made that the message that I want to send is we set this so high because um the district isn't going to pay for a student who wants to participate in two or three or four expensive things that that that's the responsibility of the of of the family of the family and your proposal is to increase it more than 300% yeah I I want to hear that information but I'm pretty stuck at 10,000 so I will vote no because if the proposal comes to go to 20 25,000 I'm not willing to go there I don't want to be a target of the state to be an outlier over everyone else to charge you know five times what any other District around here four times and so

150that's I would vote no if the if the proposal is to go up if the proposal is to get more information and we can make that proposal proposal I would support you on that is not make a decision today cuz we don't need to and make a decision when we get more information I can support that that could be a substitute if I may I think I think what I'm hearing is from one perspective I'd like to set the threshold so that taxpayers never pay for someone's fees on the other side it's I want to but I don't know at what point I want to I think those are the two questions we all agree pretty well there's a third one I want to and I know the threshold right I want to and I

151know the threshold I want to and I don't know the threshold I don't ever want to get in the situation where we're paying for those fees and I can respect what what is viewed as the intent of the state and even setting an Aggregate and I would like to respect that and I feel the same about protecting taxpayer dollars and setting an Aggregate and the only way I can feel 100% comfortable with that is getting more information what what would you do if the with the information as it came back and what let's just say that it comes back $122,000 is that where you'd want to set it I would feel comfortable with that it doesn't feel uh it feels reasonable to me mhm and then if we want to revisit it next year or

152the year after I'd feel comfortable with that as well by setting it so high you're also kind of tying future boards to our decision and so a future board can't look at that and say you know I think they couldn't they they could but are they going to lower it they could if they wanted to could but it's harder next year if we wanted to I mean I'm just making maybe a harder direction to move my point is it's easier to to take steps than to set it so high when never have to revisit it again and know why the state mandated this in the first place what was their rationale that's joh do you know why it's the same reason insurance companies say after this we'll pay everything it's the same Spirit of that

153is to make sure one person doesn't pay more than is reasonable able to pay you add to that I'm just not sure it's reasonable to pay a certain amount and then ask other people to pay the rest right that was the argument that was made when they made this uh this piece this requirement um but my understanding was the requirement was put into place to try and encourage less spending not more fees so to encourage the district and its coaches and advisers to be careful on what they were charging that's my understanding so they wanted local boards to have that conversation I think but for the legislature to think that that is going to be a motivating factor misunderstands how it operates within a particular activity because within an activity you're not going to say

154I wonder what other activities these kids are in and maybe it's my responsibility within my activity to reduce things so that kids can be in other thing they're just not aware and the combination of activities kids would be involved in is would be very difficult for a for a coach to get their arms around if the state hadn't mandated this would do you think we would have an upper limit like this we've never we've never created an upper limit like this before it was required so if the state hadn't required it we would be at a point where families would pay for all the extracurricular activities regardless of the amount they would pay all of their expenses that's correct and so students who are on fee waivers okay so with that in mind it seems

155like if the state hadn't mandated this as a district we wouldn't have it at all which is the same essentially the same thing as saying let's set it at 100,000 it it's the exact same thing although I would say if we go too far would we run the risk of a legislator then checking us next session and I don't want to be that either I'm wondering if there's a possibility where if a student has reached the threshold wherever we said it that we could then look at that student or whatever and and see if they did participate in any fundraising have they kind of done their portion and if they have not could we then say well you haven't put in work to raise any of these funds on your own so you need to

156go back do that I don't know I think we have a policy we can't require the fundraising right is that a district policy or is that a state policy a district policy the state actually allows districts to do one required fundraiser for groups so that is an option but our district is our district policy does not makes fundraising optional so but the state actually does allow groups and organizations to do one required fundraiser but our district policy is stronger than that one so I just know there's a legislature not there's a legislator not very far away who said no fees we're going to have everyone pay for them and in the spirit of that I just that That's My worry is that we are now elevating to public attention that we're not willing to pay

157for anything and I just I just I can see what's the the spirit of what the leg islation did this last year they're going to come back and mandate an an aggregate if we are too far out of reach they're going to come back and mandate an aggregate um I I have a question so so Suzanne when you're talking about um looking into it are you talking about like averaging the um like look at how much every fee has increased and then taking an average of that okay yes and I would probably I mean there are some fees that are $5 that have gone to 15 so that would probably exaggerate so maybe we would set but there are some that were at 250 that have gone to 400 correct I mean so so that's

158so I think maybe we would set a dollar threshold let's look at EV any fee over this amount and the increase just to get a more realistic view because if we come back and include $5 to15 that's going to skew the data I think okay okay and what if it comes back at like 300% would would that be would people feel okay about raising it to 21,000 or if it came back at 400% would we feel okay about raising it to 28,000 it would make more sense for us before we debate something that isn't the motion on the table shall we have a vote and then continue that discussion if the vote fails yes anyone uncomfortable with that great okay so we have a proposal on the table to increase the fee to 25,000 is

159that right I should have aggregate total aggre the total aggregate fee amount seconded yes it was um it was motioned by Mr Barnett seconded by Miss Dean okay so maybe it will be easier to do a roll call on this one so miss Dean um i k in favor you can say yes nay did you say Nay n n i n n nay nay yes okay so that motion fails um with the Nays being Miss Wood Mr Robinson Miss Barrow Mr denford and Miss George and me so I'd like to make a motion that we request that Administration assess the increase in fees from 2020 to current eliminating anything under well TBD in the discussion I don't want to set something and have this voted down do we need a motion to make an assignment

160to staff oh because I would like those small ones included personally I just would like across the board and then if Poss if we want one that is without him I think that's that could be helpful too because I think they'll balance out with a total dollar amount okay that was a $10 incre but it was really 300% this was a $50 increase but that was really only 10% I think they'll balance out if you say here's how much the fees increased and that's a percent and this is the percentage of the total fees last time I Mr allerson do you have any guidance for us in getting a helpful percentage you could even just say we direct Mr Larson to bring back whatever meaningful comparison he can come up with between recommendation for what

161the aggregate amount should be then he'll come up with I like that what makes sense thank you however I don't have the data Mr sson and Mr Curtis do but you are a numbers person so I'm looking for some direction he's a really good numbers person Mr to direct how about if you give it to me that that is important how about if you direct me and I'll sort it out yes we'll play family with the numbers recommended 10,000 yes they did can can we get a couple examples of a student I mean I'm just going through Mountain rides and we only have five things that even go over a thousand and they're barely over like you would have to almost be participating in every activity to meet a 10,000 aggregate so when you when

162you look at the Fe the fee to participate is different than so let's say you're on the baseball team and you pay what I don't know 500 450 to participate but then you have a tournament in St George that you pay $800 to participate in and then you have another tournament in San Diego that you pay you know $1,200 to participate in so even though it's right here here like what we're seeing on the fee schedule that is not all that they can pay for to participate in that sport well and I would also state I'm looking at one required has gone down significantly from $230 to $80 but optional has gone from 430 to 650 so if we only look at required we're not really looking at the whole piece of The Bu let

163me if I may I think a comparison will give limited information about this we can compare and increase to give a proportionate increase but really I think it's more about philosophy at at what extreme how many activities do we want you to participate in before we start paying as a district for the additional activities that you're participating in because I think the the question about overnight travel we could compare travel costs but it depends on whether that whether the coach that you're with likes California or Florida as a destination I mean it there's so many different factors we can but we can still do that we can still do a comparison we could also do kind of a case study of what are kids participating in that are getting close to that threshold and we

164want to provide whatever information is Meaningful for you could Mr senson speak to what Miss Dean was saying about how they have fees for tournaments is that something extra that does get added on or yeah each so so as she described if if a baseball team does go you know uh to some so they have their participation fee then they may have another component maybe maybe it's easiest just to say how we looked at these these few students that were approaching this total number we simply look at how much money they put into our system do you know what I mean so how much money was a student contributing into the Bingham High account and and John you can correct me if I'm wrong but accounting provided you know these 10 students that whose contribution

165went into this particular school and and totaled that and then looked at how much fundraised money that they participated in to reduce that amount so so it it's because it crosses so many different groups or organizations or classes because it's everything these kids are involved in AP these kids might participate in a camper clinic in the summer that's separate from all of this right they're they're working so the easiest way to look at is really from you know from Miss Dean's family how much money went into their child you know into whatever school it was and that's where we realized we have students that are quickly approaching a submission of funding into uh the school account that is getting close to to this this total amount is that right John I mean ultimately that's that's

166how we saw that and how we looked at is and and then as we dissected them we realized oh yeah this is a choir student this is they also participate in the marching band and they then they do some baseball camps and Clinics during the summer and so that's why all this money has been fed into whatever school it is that they're participating in under that child's name and that's where they have approached that total amount so would it be more accurate to look at the top 10 spending students in 2020 and compare them to the top 10 spending students this year could we do that is the question I don't know if could we do it without identifying what school could you just give us some studies we could give us case studies of

167yeah we could take the information that we looked at and just leave it so you know these are 10 students that have approached this amount I'd rather not identify a school if that's okay if we cannot identify school or student maximum y but but just yeah do we do we want to prescribe specifically what we want or are board members comfortable leaving this message with staff to bring back a comparison of fee increases um over the last five years and let them work out what makes sense and well and so it seems like what uh Mr s was talking about is it's it's not even necessarily just about fee increases it's about the amount of money that a student is putting into a school in a year like into the school budget per year and

168it's it's hard for me to wrap my head around how could we do you have an idea of how we could average that or figure that out like the difference between 2020 and now or I my idea was expressed here I think by President George that if if we could have some latitude to look at the data in different areas because if we just look at fee amounts it won't talk to participation uh but if we also look at total revenues it will ignore CO's impact so I would like to have some flexibility to just look at data and come back with whatever we find I I don't know right now what that might be but I want to kind of brainstorm through it and see what we might be able to find that would

169be helpful I think the discussion has been helpful but I I want some flexibility as we start looking at things thinking well but that was Co so looking at Revenue doesn't matter but looking at the fees these other things happened uh are changed we're always a year behind just so you know when we make these proposals we're we're doing it based off of the previous year so what's happening currently is is what will be presented for next year's increase so can I also ask is the time between this and our next meeting enough time to gather that information we understand that you have other responsibilities I would think that we could John yeah I think we could look at that my my my question with that is if if we're going to wait to determine

170what a total aggregate is before we send it out to the public then maybe we're not ready to send it out to the public and so we may we may just we may want to look at adjusting timeline and pushing into May uh because because we don't know what that proposal is and so we don't want to tell the public that this is the proposal does that make sense so that's my concern is we're we're just giving them a number that's not accurate so so my suggest would be that if that's what we're going to wait on to determine that and any other questions that you may have regarding fees uh maybe next time we meet is when we determine now we're ready to send it out and then we set up two public meetings

171but I also believe well yeah it's hard I don't know that we want the same day to be our first public meeting for fees without giving them notice about it one thing that would be helpful for me would be to understand exactly what the state or what the legislator intent was with this idea because it sounds like it sounds like from what John shared that it was put in place how did you describe it John it was put in place I I believe it was put in place so that boards were encouraged to try to limit costs okay so it was a cost limiting thing it wasn't put in place maybe I mean it would be nice if we could understand that it wasn't put in place as a protection for the families and their

172expenses like um like an insurance policy it that that wasn't the intent was to protect families from having to pay too much it was put in place for what John but yet for me it would be beneficial to understand that I think one way to view it though is that if the if the board has the pain of having to pay for students because of where the aggregate is then maybe we will force coaches and advisers to keep their fees low which then would have the desired effect of keeping cost low for families and therefore we're doing the opposite when we move that aggregate way too high right that is exactly what I was saying sure I'm not are we doing what what was intended by looking so closely at all these fees that we

173are intentionally keep them keeping them low so we don't hit 9,000 that's how I look at the fees when they come out I mean do you want to look at the fees of this one student keeping them Anonymous and seeing what were all the fees and can we decrease the fees that they paid they egregious no I mean so let me see if I can summarize a proposal um and then can can I add one more thing to it I I think it would be interesting to know how much the the district is going to pay this year um because the aggregate um fee amount is $7,000 like how is that possible to know how much the district is going to pay for the the activities that go past the 7,000 this year I we're

174because we're not at the end of the year it's probably not but we can have an idea of those like I said the students that are approaching that you know we all we we have to remember again when they do fundraiser it kind of maybe takes them above but then they fund rais and so it brought them back below so they actually never paid out of pocket above that $7,000 so okay okay you know but their charges would have got them to nine but they rais for 4 ,000 and so now we're down to 5,000 of what came out of their pocket okay thank you but can I Brad can I ask you I hope I'm I I asked you to be honest yes you know these numbers better than anyone you have studied these

175numbers you've done a great job to keep them low and you were the one that came with a $10,000 recommendation was there information you didn't have when you gave that $10,000 recommendation that will now change if you gather that information or do you honestly think you looked at all the information and your $10,000 recommendation was the best recommendation for you to bring to this board I worry that we're asking you to do something that you've already done and that your recommendation was 10,000 and that you're going to come back with the same recommendation because you've looked at the same numbers that we're now asking you to go look at yeah we we did look at just as you described several students that approached that they were they had moved up into that $9,000 range and

176but be because they had done several fundraisers they're actual out of pocket brought them back below 7,000 there was one student that chose not to participate in any fundraisers that was just over 7,000 and again we were looking at a previous the the previous year's expenses because we still have three more months to go during this school year so that total aggregate for student this year may continue to go and so the $10,000 recommendation came based on students are getting up to that amount but we do see most students still participate in fundraisers and because of that they're staying below that but it bought us a little bit of a cushion uh that that ultimately we felt comfortable with and that was conversation with John and Dan and I as we looked at those numbers

177feeling like 10,000 is an amount that doesn't mean we won't have to adjust it in a year and we we just continue to look at that but that's right on the amount that we are approaching to add to that um we looked at total amounts in by student so that we would know well what if one of these students had chosen to not fund raise so and they all were right there and so that's why we were comfortable with 10 and that's my point the people who know the number MERS gave us a recommendation and now we're asking them to go back and make another recommendation and I just think they've made their recommendation based on a thorough search of the data so and nobody would have exceeded 10,000 I would have I would oppose

178taking any more time on this because I believe the people we pay to recommend the best course of action have made that recommendation what was the purpose of the recommendation was the purpose to put it to a point where very few if any students would reach that maximum was that the that's what you were trying to do you weren't trying to do what the what the legislature wanted which was to try to prevent coaches from pushing up against that limit but it was more of we don't want students to pass that because we don't want to pay for that that that is the the point yeah the recommendation was to that very Point how comfortable are we with covering costs associated with these students but ultimately that yeah if if we were to go to

17910,000 we felt comfortable that next school year we probably wouldn't have any students that would exceed that amount that would come out of the cost of the district Mike do you have any context to why this happened and it's it's always tricky figuring out why the legislature did something because there are so many compromises that are involved in getting legislation across the finish line that it can be kind of a um a collection of intents there are certain bills that I think their numbers should be retired for infamy um I remember hb250 back in this was 20 2018 2019 sorry um that was the first fee Bill to come out that really um put in motion a lot of these it was done in conjunction with the State Board of Education at the time and

180the fee Bill itself just required that they that they schedule or set fee limits schedules and so forth and really directed usbe to create board rule surrounding it and so when they came out with the word aggregate does not appear in in the bill I just checked it was actually usbe that created rules governing the um the total amount that could be spent and what could and could not be charged for fees at the time that was the first thing of of several imp uh fee bills that came out in in the latest iteration of course is HB 344 but that was when it first came out and it was the State Board auditor that came back and said hey school districts are are either I believe at the time they said that we were

181charging they weren't happy with our aggregate because they thought it was too high is that accurate yeah and so um that's that's what they came back and said they didn't want was usbe that was not the legisl correct that's that's the that that's the the the important context that it wasn't the legislature that set the the the aggregate amount it was the state board and they're the ones that kind of gave intent language on what they thought we should or should not be setting for a a maximum so could we then ignore board Rule and not have an aggregate um no uh board rule has the The Binding of law for in and purposes correct yeah yeah and and it's not ignoring the it doesn't say it doesn't set a cap so the fact that

182you have certain people interpreting it they can amend the rule they can amend the legislation but you have your autonomy you're not you're not violating any law or administrative rule at this point so in a worst case scenario what we've identified is a student who was about $99,000 who did fundraising that was diminished diminished that amount and that was a year ago that was looking at last year's complete year of data that is correct which is why it's hard because we're not looking at this year's full data because we still have three months left before this year is included and inflation at its worst still doesn't get us up to uh the red I think on that student no so I I may be persuaded to vote differently you and Aaron are the only ones

183that can make a motion on this because all of the rest of us made a motion because when you second you can't no all of the all of the rest of us voted on a motion that both voted on a motion that failed you were the only two that voted on a that passed both times so could could one of them re you two could make an emotion on this and it could be the the 10,000 one that was the original one you could go back to the 10,000 or you could make an motion but you two are the only ones that can make an a motion because the two motions failed okay I'd like to make a motion that we set the aggregate um for this coming school year to 10,000 and and I

184will second right we have a second by Miss Wood I a motion by Miss Wood a second by Miss Barrow to set the fee aggregate at $10,000 per year is there discussion all right I'll take a vote all in favor say I I I and any opposed nay okay that motion carries um six to one with the Nay being from Mr Barnett all right let's go ahead and take a break we will resume at 7 15 can I ask a question is more information going to come back to us though or not not about that just about like collectively if you yeah we could put something on stud need be hour just contact me individually but I would love to know information you were asking for I would love to know still valuable thank you

185okay all right let's take a break there is food in the fire room fire e for e for e for e e e e for e for e for e for e for e e e for e e e welcome back to the Jordan Board of Education study session it is still March 11th 2025 all board members are present as well as our superintendent associate superintendent business administrator and board attorney we will pick up our agenda with a review of administrative policy DP 304 teacher trans first with Dr Godfrey thank you very much we've worked with ja on this question in this policy under Roman numeral 2 letter B number one there is a deadline for an involuntary transfer and that is April 1st The Proposal is that we change that to May 15th the

186reason for that is it gives us some added flexibility as circumstances may arise that would require a an involuntary transfer as a solution as a reminder for those listening and members of the board an involuntary transfer uh in my opinion sounds worse than it is and makes it sound like it's being done against someone's will when in fact an involuntary transfer just means that there's an automatic placement in at another school for a reason other than the quality of work that an employee is doing so there can be a number of situations that would require an involuntary transfer meaning we need to transfer a teacher to another location not as a means of discipline not as a means of corrective action but simply to resolve an issue and uh it's rarely used but by moving

187that date to May 15th that would give us some additional flexibility that would help us some unique problems A's response was supportive okay we've talked about it for couple of years and this is this is uh the right timing I think for us to be able to make a change which date was it under B B1 two Roman numeral ran numeral 2 B1 and this April 1 to April 1st to May 15th thank you and this is for the following school year right okay right this officially our last negotiated policy only time will tell all right any motion well do we need to do it in a business I would I would bring it back this is just the first discussion I'll bring it back to the next study session and then the General Session

188in that same meeting if you're comfortable with the change any questions before we maybe some clarification how does other districts do it because I've heard the hiring process for Jordan is a little bit different than others that some hire at the district level and then place you whatever school they want and then move you is that true or well this isn't related to that this is a a principle request comes to the supervisor and is ultimately approved at the district level for this sort of a transfer but it doesn't have to do with any of of those other procedures we're fairly unique in the way that we do other other districts can just move you anyways yeah I think that's I think that may be true uh and we can also we just have a

189deadline sorry I misunderstood earlier it does relate what you what you asked but we just have a dead line by which to do that and we just want to move that deadline forward what was the benefit in moving it Forward I apologize if it just not not every problem has is has been assessed yet has been right has fully reared its head by April 1st got it perfect I make it sound ominous more ominous than it is but it gives us more flexibility to try to solve a problem in other ways before we resort to an involuntary transfer thank you do you need a date can we just remove the date could remove the date remove okay no that's the question could we remove the date yeah we could remove it would it be better

190we could just say involuntary transfer this is the procedure and then the following year if you I mean that might be better yeah be open to that I can take that back I think a little bit more flexibility we work really closely with these are very unique circumstances says when we do this or if you need a date we do the last day of school or something we don't need a date and the way I put the the reason we put May 15th is that that still gives you a little notice before the end of the school year but no date gives more flexibility we try to solve situations in other ways unless this is the obvious choice of those involved and makes the most sense would would there be a concern about with no

191date that the teacher then didn't get enough notice like like oh they pushed it way far back that now I thought I was going to be over here but now it's you know July 15th and they say I'm going somewhere else like and that's what Jaa would push back and say that's why I'm saying what would ja say at that yeah they they don't have an objection then we move forward but that's that's where they will object how about if I just bring it back with their recommend with their how they would feel about removing the date yeah I can do that I'm curious about whether a date would be helpful to the receiving school who needs to understand who to hire and what their FTE is and whatnot well I promise I'm not referencing

192any real situation but let's say that in October we see boy involuntary transfer would really solve some issues here we have a similar opening in another school let's make that switch or this other school needs support let's make that switch um I think things can happen during the year that where everyone would appreciate even though there maybe isn't much notice they might just be grateful to be able to be switched out of a difficult situation there's a lot of conversation that happens before this is ever put in place it's never a surprise take that back beautiful all right thank you agenda item e legislative impact discussion is wood and Dr Anderson so I'll just make a couple of comments before pitching it to you we're going to go over uh 20 um bills passed and

193not passed we're going to go pretty rapid fire and so would it be best if maybe they save their questions to the end or do you want questions during I'm totally fine with questions during in fact if you just speak up or push pause we can we'll take them at the end as well so anytime is fine and and some of the answers we won't know yet because we're still waiting for interpretation on them so we have nobody better informed yeah Dr Anderson particularly when it comes to the fiscal impact um we we need to wait for usbe to talk with the the legislature and their fiscal analysts and we'll know that and and Mr Larson can certainly help um help us understand that so that being said um by the Numbers there were 958

194bills introduced this session U that's a lot and 176 alone were passed on the very last day of the session that's out of the 582 that were passed so almost a third right almost a third were passed on one day the final day and Thursday the day before that wasn't much different we were tracking over a 100 and if anybody's counting there's only 315 actually 315 today I think uh until the 2026 session so you know we always talk about you know important bills but this is one that that came up and I thought was humorous there is a question as to how to spell the official um the official state who you are and does it in include an extra a or not and you know National the national press has weighed in NPR

195and when it comes to choosing a hockey club Outlaws or mammoths I have my preference but uh Utah would help pick this on the national press even the New York Times weighs in on what's right in their crossword oh my gosh you know a Utah in was the correct answer instead of the U you know with the extra a but it's all been resolved now thank heavens because SB 230 sb230 has been passed and the official spelling for a Utah resident is UT Ahn so sorry New York Times I'd like to buy I'd like to buy a vowel like anyway we're waiting for a correction from The New York Times on their cross right a little bit of government overreach and by all means why don't we need a law y yeah anyway because I

196prefer the other way I should have lobbied I'm grateful I think it's saving some money that we don't less Inc yes all those A's were're going to save we do have meaningful efforts up there we've talked about many of these things but one of them had to do with hp42 which is the English language learner enrollment this is this graph is not important in of itself of of as far as Who's down at the bottom they're listed but this is from the handout that uh representative peruchi gave to uh the committee at the time the important part of this is the average increase in English learner enrollment for the last four years and the important part of this graph is the largest the biggest bar on there do you know who that is that is

197us that is Jordan School District the next largest is athlos Academy and then we also have uh Alpine and Davis district and Emory school district have pretty large increases but that large bar we have the largest average increase average increase doesn't mean total numbers it doesn't mean total numbers of el students but it does mean the increase and this bill um we we gave representative perui some data on that and and uh it really it gives emergency funding to those schools who have seen an increase of 60% or more in their English learner population over the last three years and that is that is a a good portion of our schools well over half of our schools will qualify for that money in some way shape or form the fiscal note on this went from

198500,000 down to 50,000 but the last week of the session I was surprised to learn that it was funded at get this $5 million Andis peruchi at her best $5 million so um do last three years oh Dix yeah sorry yeah you're right it's it's not line up very well we have a large number a huge increase yeah 60% over the last three years is yeah and we have well over half of our school districts will will do that so um there was HB 330 was a bill that came out the last week of the session and is deals with cosmetology licensing and you wouldn't think that we' that would really impact us but there was a part of the bill that carved out and cut out entirely um high schools from being able to

199offer cosmetology licensing programs in the bill it wasn't the sponsor's intent when we brought it to him he said oh I'll change that but by the time it was already in the motion in the Senate we had to change it in the house and uh we worked with uh Jason Skidmore RCT director and and the principal here to get language that actually if nothing else solidifies the in in-law that high schools can offer cosmetology programs in their tech centers so that was another example this last week yeah we have been doing it and and the law implied that we could but it didn't specifically state it and this law would have prohibited it and we got an amendment changed a substitute actually of the bill was passed the last day of the session uh that

200allowed for for us to do that that's another example Mike um if we hadn't noticed this or been aware of this it would have affected us absolutely yeah yeah it's it's it's of note that lawmakers those in the legislature I I think they they do their best and I don't I don't um I don't think they're maliciously trying to do like exclude high schools from being able to do this but I guess my point is is that without the input of the school districts they might make some quote mistakes along the way thank you for pointing that out I think I think the sponsor of the bill was not his intent to to carve out schools but those that helped him write the bill some of the interest groups and some of the the people

201that were charged with with lobbying and changing this uh lowering the or changing the cosmetology standards may have thought that that would be better off without high schools you know competing for you know private beauty schools for example I don't know I don't know I can't speak to the intent but that's it is an example of how things can happen um without a watchful eye upon it so just that was Senate Bill 330 just oh yes thank you another I appreciate the the clarification HB 344 is correct I do know that one because we worked on the school fees for quite some time and that's another where we had substantial input we just spent a lengthy U discussion on this and and a very good discussion on on the changes there so we appreciate the

202the sponsor and working with us on I noticed on the fee like a Ceramics class the tools for ceramics we can't charge that fee but if you're going to buy 250 lbs worth of clay we can charge that fee did it did this bill get that splitting hairs it the way they used it and it would be I think there's some interpretation that could be used there but General classroom materials and supplies should not be charged a fee if you have like the carving tools in a Ceramics class right yeah things that are needed for the class the and and and so forth you shouldn't those are General supplies for general education purposes that's prescribed in the bill you cannot charge a fee for those if it's a specialty class like the hair cosmetology program

203where they needed to buy their barbering kits or something like that that can be but the bill did get that specific yes okay good in some areas yep in other areas it just I mean the the the language is purposely vague I think to just it leaves it as general education supplies so and and that's even if the general education supp supplies are supplies that the student will be taking home that then a fee cannot be charged for those even so like let's say in a Ceramics class they have a little carving tool and a sponge that each student needs their own um then they can't charge a fee for that they just need to have a classroom set or something or provide it that's correct if if it was a case where they were

204charging something in the cosmetology program for example where they were actually buying the kit and they would take it with them and it would be theirs then that's where they can charge the fee yeah so in your example you could right because it would be your kit that you would if it was yours that you take home but you were referring to like a you know something that would stay in the classroom that would no no I'm talking about um I don't know that it happens now but like buying your own kit for a art class or for a an advanced Ceramics class or something where you have your own tool kit yeah in most cases they would offer the option if you if they did offer you know the kit you could buy it

205but they would also have supplies in the classroom to allow the students to use them if they didn't choose to buy their own um here are the proposed funding um items uh this is just the the a quick summary there was $50 million allocated and that would give um a 1,440 $6 salary increase for teachers um along with that there was a one-time bonus for educate educator support staff uh the the details of that are found in HB House Bill 2 and we're waiting to hear uh further from usbe and the legislative fisc for interpretation of EX how exactly that's that gets executed there was $178 Million allocated for a 4% wpu increase which we'll talk more about in just a minute along with that the educator 32 hours time which has occurred for the

206last uh few years is also um funded again and they've increased the amount of teacher supply money to up to $500 um you may have heard last year we talked a bit little bit about it that that student teachers received for the first time a $6,000 stipend this year it was for student teachers who were enrolled in Utah Universities this year it is for anyone inside or out of the state that is doing their student teaching in the state of Utah so you could be from an out out of state college but as long as you're student teaching here next year you'll get to $6,000 and that's in an effort to attract and retain the good teachers there does that make sense and then the Utah fits all was funded at $40 million it's worth

207noting that that's just under about 1% in the wpu there the the guidelines for it changed somewhat and it's now basically Elementary age students qualified for for for $4,000 instead of the $88,000 and secondary students qualify for $66,000 under this scholarship and that's I think in an effort to increase the number of recipients and then there are some guard rails that were put in place um things certain items that were prohibited uh you can't for example buy a season pass to a theater or a ski pass or um yeah furniture or or a ski pass for your chaperon um pianos things like that so is there any requirements putting on us that we need be like an authorizer no no House Bill two impacts I think there's just uh and there's just something to be

208aware of there because it did change the funding mechanisms and some of the rules surrounding um surrounding how we receive money um John and has been working on the the overall fiscal impact because even though you get a uh an increase in the wpu the offsets of you cuts and program um eliminations and and what we're left with uh in terms of unfunded mandates and the changes to the funding mechanisms can more than offset uh the the wpu increase and so that's not to say that it's going to far outweigh it but it's just we need to keep in mind the balance of how much are we actually going to net from the legislative increase are you saying that they're going to publish that information like it's no no they they won't but we're working

209on we should and we will we need to and we're working on on just what is the net what is the net um outcome of You know despite a 4% wpu and the teacher salary increase we believe there were significant enough cuts and changes right didn't gain anything so we'll come back when when those calculations are made and and have an idea but right now I spoiler alert it doesn't look like there's going to be a a huge increase when you net everything out anything else you'd say to that [Music] John any or any increase yeah yeah so that's that's what we're looking at and uh we'll we'll come back when that's U settled like I said it takes some time for the State Board to talk with the legislative fiscal analysts and and calculate

210exactly how those things are going to be distributed and what what the outcome is so this is going to be a rapid fire session of of bills that were passed if there's a green check it passed the um sponsor of the bill and the gist of what the bill addressed is there along with the implementation dates and on hb40 the school safety Bill we talked uh a little bit about this it has an implementation date for most of it coming up May 7th um of this year but you'll notice that's not a typo July 1 of 2035 is the implementation date that expected due date for schools in larger counties to comply with things like window film and other safety upgrades and there's more this is another example of a bill that would that requires

211some state board input and some some uh guidelines for so so what do we have to have ready by May 7th the May 7th one is the they changed some some definitions they also changed what's required to be in the uh uh safety assessments um things like that so Guardians no Guardians did not need to be in place by 2025 that's that's that's a topic of discussion now we don't have a firm timeline on that um and it depends on who you ask quite frankly I heard once that the deadline a deadline was not set so that we would do it as fast as possible instead of waiting for the deadline but not having a deadline tends to make things take longer it seems to me yeah yes so more to come on that and

212as we get information um not only from the state board but from the safety office that Chief Pennington is is heading up we'll keep you posted um hp42 is the one I talk about with English learner amendments um that goes into effect this year the flag display bill hb77 is one that's been received um some attention that goes into effect May 7th of this year and that's the one that defines a flag and just and outlines what flags can be flown um it doesn't say what can't be it just outlines what can be flown in a government building including School classrooms and buildings and fabric is anything that is woven or knit and so paper is not a fa considered a fabric I don't think in like the statute woven yeah great so do we

213still have indemnification on that there is the indentification is in there there's also Provisions that if a government entity didn't abide by it um it's overseen by the state auditor's office and there can be a daily fine of of $500 that fine would be on this District it would be on the or the yeah any government entity that's not complying or or is we going to notify teachers about that because I think there are some violations in our district yes we're we'd be I mean uh hopefully we get some additional guidance from the state on how you know what the ramifications are of that the guidelines for it and how is to be distributed yes that's an example of something we need to let our teachers know as well as our administrators and and people

214that oversee the schools obviously hp100 is the food security bill this is the one we discussed last meeting meeting where this takes um those students that are on free and reduced lunch the free is already free obviously subsidized by the federal government the the reduced price lunch this this bill takes reduced price lunch to free so anybody on free and reduced lunches at this point everyone's going to be free um if they qualify for either one of course and this this bill does it receive any funding from the state well yes the the it does the trick is um that is onetime money so we're picking up this picking up the tab it could it could happen in the future but for now it's funded only with onetime money I will say um the likelihood

215of of them wanting to support that in the future is is probably pretty good because it ped and there was a lot of discussion around that idea but it's onetime money it's worth noting that and and the policy project was behind it correct ALS and I feel like they might have some influence with leg and the bill the bill specifically had language in there that nonprofit groups could step in and help help pay for this so how much is the one time is it enough toover um it is enough to cover it for next year moving forward and of course one time money is one time any other questions on that feel free to push or we can talk as long as you'd like to I'll just keep rolling if we don't um HB 104

216was one we watched on the last day of the session this passed this is a firearm safety training that is required in schools now takes effect in uh July 1st um it would require fire firearm safety training to take place three times in an elementary one time in a middle school and one time in a high school um there is a bill or sorry a video that's out there uh put out by I believe it's the Attorney General's office on firearm safety that could be uh that's approved to view in schools is about a 5minute video so that's what it would be required three times in elementary once in in middle and once in high school uh this one is a um I'll let John answer questions on this but basically this this alteration on

217HB 1110 takes away the growth for tssa and when I mentioned earlier about you know we need to net everything out the gains against the losses this would be an example of what we won't be getting it's not that we're not going to it's not that we're stopping we we'll still receive tssa it's just not going to be given the growth that we have experienced in past years which in my mind is a big deal or something like that did we change names on the fund it was out of it was just a public comment somebody referenced or is it's now called and I was like oh is that true don't yeah I don't know it's a good question it it also goes into effect a year later it's not um it is in 2026

218uh this is one uh we talked about representative tusher HB 191 High School packets and credits if the packets are not approved by the Lea or the State Board um students can't use them for for credit recovery or grade replacement has to go through the Lea or the state board that what accreditation well it's possible that a organization it's possible that an organization is accredited and has a packet system and but if that group or that organization that's accredited isn't approved or adopted by the Lea or doesn't go through the usbe process then they are not wouldn't be eligible in Utah to offer that packet for for grade for credit replacement as long as it goes through USP or Lea does correct that's correct yep the Lea if we're if we've got our own system

219inhouse we're good if it's not inhouse or we haven't already approved it or adopted it in-house then it has to go through the usbe and they have a they have to adopt a a process for approving that those type of packets District produced curricul it's fine yes yes and representative tusher was great to work with on that making sure that we were we were okay with that with what we've been doing with um recovery Credit in our in our school district HB 233 is School curriculum bill that would re um it prohibits any any um health care provider that participates in elective abortions to provide sex education in schools um there were some school districts that we're partnering with with such um groups we do not by the way but this bill would prohibit that

220HB 267 uh this is the public labor union Bill the the the negotiations and um uh so forth it does have two checks there because it's not only passed it was signed by the governor and it does this one I have down July 1 but I think I I think I read earlier unless it was changed it was May 7th so I got to double check that May 7th yeah that did not pass with a super majority right it did not it did not and it's worth noting on that bill it they did uh the labor unions did announce that they intended to um subject this to referendum and so uh that's a bar pretty high bar to reach I believe it's over 140,000 signatures to reach within a time period and so does that

221mean it it's Statewide so the percentage is a Statewide percentage now not a district percentage that's my understanding yes yeah it's like 10% it's a percentage and and a high amount to reach there so they they announced that they were intending to to move that direction so have a lot of support behind Public Safety I don't know I don't know the specifics of the of the the unions and where they stand on it I just know that there were several labor unions that announced that they were going to move forward with the referendum and I believe the UEA was was supportive of that yeah is it is July 1 okay we had seen somewhere I think on this that it was May 7th because we had talked about a little bit but but John just

222verified it is July 1 I had I I took it from the bill itself but I I was worried I may have done a typo because most of these as you can see are May 7th which is about 60 days after the session that it would take effect or July 1 which is the fiscal year for for bills so those districts who are trying to are talking about negotiating by May 7th I think it goes into effect but the the date is July 1st when you can no longer negotiate with Union so so while the law goes into effect there's a July 1st date and and the July 1 date is maybe it's July 1 I'm wrong it's July 1st is the is the applicable date July one is the date and that that is

223in red underline so that's it must have been changed in the last because there was a there was a version of provision in that if there's an agreement in effect by it's we can talk about it later it's complicated okay all right the long story short this year we're going to be negotiating with Jaa as long as we're done before July 1st we can anticipate a negotiation with ja this year approvals through Jaa the normal channels this year's normal this year's what we've been doing in the past that's how I I would read it but would leave that to attorneys to say that so hb281 uh this is uh representative Gus's bill this dealt with this got it's kicked up quite a bit of dust with the mental health providers because it required um parental

224notification prior to providing therapy it went through several versions the last version that actually passed carved out school counselors completely so that school counselors are able to continue doing exactly and operating exactly how as they have been and school counselors for anyone wondering they are still required to to give a consent to council form after the first time visiting with a student if they wish to continue it's not that parents don't uh don't get advised on this there are certain types of therapy that would require a prerequisite a pre-approval by parents in order to participate in that but 504s IEPs school counselors are all carved out of this so it doesn't doesn't have a near as big of impact as it would have as it was originally written this mainly like affecting our school psychologists

225yeah it would exactly it would be um School psychologists again not working with 50 for IAP students but maybe in in therapy groups and and and and offering specific therapy not just it it also carves out uh Stress Management life skills you know um obviously schedule changes things like that so there's a difference there it's actually um different types of therapy that are that are specified in the bill yeah yeah great clarification um this one did not pass as you can see most of them did that I have up here regarding education but this was the one that would require leas to be able to share public directory information between a public uh school district and a charter school and this one appeared and to be able to be on the fast track to pass

226but it got tripped up a lot with the data privacy issues and it just didn't make it across the Finish Line at the end of the day we talked about H HB 344 um length today U moving on almost almost through the house bills this was the Civics education bill we referenced when talking with teaching and learning earlier that requires in the state to have an extra 05 credit of social studies we do that in the district already but it may require um you know certain classes and and offerings to be tweaked at the high school level um this was when we talked about the school board referendum bill um this this was a uh one that jlc U put out alerts on it did not pass and there was some question on this one

227earlier that's why I brought it because representative tusher just had a bill that came out late in the session that would have done away with the 180-day requirement for for schools and that did not pass did not it got held in rules I believe moving on to Senate bills now Senate bills uh there was a class size reduction bill that would have shifted the way the class siiz reduction money is funded rather than going through K8 it would have taken an emphasized K3 it we were really perplexed by this one it wouldn't have really been helpful um would have given more money to K3 which would incidentally would have advantaged Charter Schools a little more because they are there are more Elementary um heavy than they are secondary and and if it was because it

228was currently it's currently K8 this would have emphasized the K3 so but it did not pass which is somewhat surprising because this was a committee Bill meaning it had committee consensus coming out of the interim session and didn't pass but we did uh voice some concerns with the way the funding mechanisms were structured in that uh this one got a lot of attention um this one is uh sp37 that's changed the the bucket that was being filled by the income TA or sorry the property tax that's levied by the state it no longer this bill would no longer take it into the general education bucket would take it into the general fund bucket and that's that's of of note and of concern to us because even though the the funding mechanism stay in place in

229other words in theory we would receive the same amounts of money money they would be coming from different different sources and they would be coming at different points and so we wouldn't uh earn the interest potentially on some of those uh some of that money so anything else I miss on that or want to say on that okay I understand this John as I understand the way it's worked we get new growth taxes on New Growth and this now eliminates us receiving the taxes on New Growth or will we still get the tax on new buildings new homes being built is the loss here just interest or is the loss here interest and growth um the direct loss is interest but there's the potential for the loss of growth because the legislature now gets this

230money outside of the education fund it goes to the general fund so they can use it for social services so should they want to they can say okay even though the local school board is required to Levy this tax that goes to the state general fund they can use it for any Social Service they want so we could lose the growth that we would have had in the education system into the future the other thing I think that's worth noting on this is that the large portion of the funding for this that will come to us on a monthly basis I believe will come from the income Inc tax fund which is the most volatile of taxes I mean if you lose your job in an economic downturn you pay zero income taxes while you'll

231still pay property tax so the property tax source is a much uh much more stable source of of of money for us so there's concerns there even though there were also reassurances that we would still be held harmless and you'll still get the same amount but as John just pointed out we could lose the interest we also could lose the potential growth from the property values and the assessments growing if that makes sense we've banked on that for a long time that's been a fudge Factor yes yeah and uh I think of note also the US uh the State Board of Education um passed the resolution encouraging Governor Cox to veto this bill so we'll see how that turns out it has not been signed yet yeah there's very few on here that have been

232signed quick question so if they decide to take the money from the general fund and spend it on other social services not us how do they get from there or from here to there do they have to vote on anything do they they just decide a commit their allocations yeah the executive Appropriations Committee has now ultimate flexibility over that money it's no longer restricted to the education bucket and so they can allocate it where they wish they could put it to Medicare uh you name it they can they could uh increase UTA funding they [Music] can they don't have any restriction as it goes into the general fund now just a dollar amount they have to give us just a dollar amount they have to give us which is been based on the wpu anyways

233so it's um it's certainly a loss of future revenues I'm sure but this gains the state the flexibility they wanted with Amendment a uh it just kind of bypassed the process of amendment a and all of the uh concessions that were agreed on for Amendment a so yeah it's yeah my my biggest frustration with this bill is the lack of transparency that it creates that the school board is being required to Levy a tax for social services outside of the school system I I don't think that sits well with a lot of people that what that just sounds really funny which is one of the reasons that the State Board gave um for the governor is the lack of transparency um and and on your property tax notices it will be the Utah Basic School

234tax in our County in other counties it actually has the school district's name as if they're the ones levying it even though they have no authority over it they the state sets the rate the state we collect it but the state now you know gets to do with it what they want so there are some transparency issues we asked about changing the the way that the property taxes are noticed Statewide and they basically the answer I got was well let's visit that maybe next session yeah this was another bill s sp102 that dealt with public education funding you'll recall this is the one that uh put certain line items up for review and Sunset and cut um certain things it also of grave concern was the um the pro professional staff fund this past it

235became a big nothing Burger because they kept all of the line items they will just be up for review and sunset every so often and it moved the proost staff money to hb2 um and moved Pro Staff to to what we call the um flexible allocation it's worth noting that that Pro Staff in the flexible allocation will get some growth but not this year is that correct yeah and so sb102 is a big nothing Burger it didn't do much in the end of the day um except if review certain line items so this was the other uh this was the counterpart part in the Senate to the uh hb100 which is the the lunch bill this one would have instead of providing uh free lunch for all of the reduced uh students this one would

236have given Universal free lunch to all as you can imagine the fiscal note on this was was rather high and it did not pass um this is the cell phone bill SB 178 uh it started out being um a very restrictive bill that didn't allow phones on on school campuses during the school day at all interestingly enough it did morph and the Baseline for this bill is now very much looks a lot similar to very similar to our secondary policy that allows for um to phones to be used in the hallways in a lunchroom but not during class time that's the default for the state absent a board policy on the matter so we have a board policy for cell phones already we don't have to do anything with this bill we're good um this

237bill uh actually um I think it's worth just noting that this bill changes the definition of bullying in the public Ed law to be a little more restrictive um the the complaint was that it was so broad that anything can be bullying and if anything is bullying then nothing is basically is what the argument was and this bill restricts the definition to uh intent to harm and and a couple other Provisions that Define what bullying is and we are required to report bullying in the case so it does give us clarification as to how and when to to report bullying well will we need to to change policy to be in line with this I don't think we'll need to change policy we just need to make um our our administrators aware that you know

238when we when we log things in Skyward for discipline incidents we just need to make sure that if we log it as bullying is actually meeting the threshold for what the state definition is so uh this is the one we talked about the the rodeo this one I honestly didn't think it would pass but uh now it is an officially School excuse that absence to if you have a death in the family if you have an Le IEP or a 504 or if you're on a school activity those are all uh those are all reasons you can be excused officially from school on a school excused basis it is now a law that the High School Rodeo sanctioned event can also be a school excused absence so do any of our schools have a high

239school rodeo not that I know of yeah other counties it's worth noting the sponsor of this bill is from Spanish Fork home of the famous uh Spanish Fork Rodeo so a lot though there is an issue Club there's an issue before the Activities Association about requiring um ambulances at rodeos there you go at what point and you know what how big of a rodeo do you have to require and they're they're going what threshold do it were to require now they may be requiring all high school rodeos to have an ambulance on site having witnessed a few accidents there I I don't think that's a bad idea so someone's thinking about rodeos okay that's a lot that's a rapid fire session I just want to I want to just uh Express appreciation for the board's

240support and your involvement in up there on the hill superintendent's very involved and and it just it's just it's gratifying to work in a district that's visible up there people know um know us and I think we've we've entrusted a lot of legislators with what we do and even if we disagree um maybe on a policy standpoint they do um we do have good relationships with them so I'm H I'm H I'm happy with that and I just appreciate uh the board's support and and what we do up there I think it's important to note that that it it's probably incumbent upon us as a district that lives geographically close to Capital to to do what we're doing on behalf of all the other districts in the State I mean it would it's very difficult

241for other districts to do what we do and so I think it's important that we do for all of Utah's districts what they can't very easily do for themselves well said you know I think that we kind of get in the habit of complaining when some of these bills pass and I'm for one to be really grateful overall this is was a good session for Education we lost some battles we lost some things but it could be worse there's been worse sessions a lot worse sessions and this was successful because it could have are you talking to about about their you that there has been worse I guess that's what I'm saying I'm grateful for the work that they do I guess that's what I'm saying and um I think sometimes when we sit down

242next to him and we work for win-win Solutions we're going to find oursel better than when we when we complain all the time I've appreciated the input and and the questions are brought to us through our our lawmakers I do respect what they do up there I I my hats go off to them for anybody that wants to step into that Arena um I just the takeaway for me was this the vibe necessarily wasn't wasn't an anti-education they were supportive of it they wanted to to help teachers out specifically but the details of the bills especially the the education funding bills are worrisome because we there was a sentiment up there that we have large budgets and that we have enough and so a few Cuts here and a few Cuts there um would not

243be as impactful to us but I think we'll see um with our calculations coming out that that they add up and in the in the balance of things it doesn't look as though we're going to have an overall increase of much at all so that's that's important to keep in mind even though I don't I don't disagree with what you said I appreciate our legislators I think they want to be supportive of schools I just think much like that cosmetology Bill there are things embedded in bills sometimes that just are not helpful to us I I will restate what Dr Anderson just said our calculation is that it is a uh not a net loss or a net gain that we remain at the same level so the guaranteed 4% wpu is offset by other

244losses and increased expenses to us correct yeah and worth noting on that to to add on to that is we're not using school safety um as part of that calculation if you start talking about what we need to do in our buildings over and and with our our school Personnel over the next 10 to 15 years um that's that's a huge that's a huge ask of school districts and In fairness it doesn't also include it also does not include the direct IR payment to teachers and to ESP um because we've been told don't count that it doesn't count so that's not District funding so we aren't including that in the calculation either and I have a question as far as that also so the state legislature and the governor are directly giving an a pay

245increase to teachers and the bonus to ESP and I I'm I'm interested how when they say it's a like a $1,400 raise does all of will teachers see that whole amount in their take-home or is it how does that all work because I think sometimes we think oh that is automatically going to be like this much more every month but how does it work in reading the bill there is intent language in there to offset the the benefits that are required to go along with that otherwise it would have been what a 25% reduction or so off the top of that so teachers may see a gross uh amount of 1443 on their paycheck but they have to also keep in mind that taxes and other you know everything else that normally comes out in

246their check will be deducted from that but I think what you're asking is do we are we are we given the money for benefits on those salary increases and the intent language is in there I will reiterate what I said earlier the usbe and the legislative fiscal analysts will work that out because sometimes they they give intent language and they give a chunk of money out there but the calculations don't always meet what we need in a district especially where they calculate it maybe at the state level and certain districts pay more than the average level and so we may be there may be a shortfall we just I'm not not not saying there is but we just have to be mindful of that I I mean just because sometimes I think it can um

247set up ex expectations that are difficult for a district to meet anyway agreed so especially challenging when we say esps but it's not all of our employees who are are in that job category and there are expectations placed on the district when they do that because we need to match for the employees that don't qualify so now there's an expense to District funds because we don't want to exclude people who qualify simply because of a technicality right and they don't qualify based on the law or all of our administrators or whomever whatever category was left out still deserves consideration and there's an FTE um basis for that distribution as well if you work halftime you're not going to get the ,000 or the 1443 you get half of that of course so it would depend

248on on your status as a full-time employee as well so and that was my point as if we were to work with them early on um I talked to a couple legislators just this week and um talk to them about the impact really with our esps and the fact that onetime bonuses is way different than ongoing funds and stuff like that and where we really need the help I think that's an area we need a lot of help in and they didn't really have that understanding like I do you know because they they're working with so many other things than education we're all focused on education and so I would invite us to really get working now for bills for next year and not when we have our legisla breakfast by then it's too late

249but several of them I've talked to said let's sit down I mean they're interested now and before summer gets I think it'd be really nice to kind of carve out some of the things we really want we should be talking about our legislative priorities now but that's just me we have our committee meeting tomorrow as I've had the opportunity to serve on government relations and have meetings with our legislators early like you're talking about is the issues that they'll bring to us are the softballs they don't they B us a nice easy one and then they show up at session and it's like wait you're doing what we met with you how many times and this never even came up and then you drop a bomb they don't I shouldn't say they there have been

250instances where it has seemed they are not interested in the input they purposely Shield us from I might be wrong but I think they are and I I would like to try to figure out how to get that done I I hope that you're right and I agree let's continue making those efforts I will tell you it has been very difficult to meet with legislators early they keep telling us oh you guys are too late come early come early come early their schedules won't allow meetings so we'll keep trying we'll let's not give up right some of the things that we tried worked so we'll keep trying but yeah I just think public criticism really hurts relationships with them I know that people who come to me with issues when they're criticizing me personally um

251I tend I listen to them but I don't really I can't find a win-win situation because we have a big roadblock between us and so that's what I would like to do is how do we build some win-wins um situations with them I believe we can I think I think that I mean I see some positives in this session but maybe I'm the only one I don't know sure and I appreciate your persp to be clear I I don't feel like this legislative review has been full of criticism I feel like it has been um fact-based it has been like rewinding the cassette and just playing back kind of what happened during those 45 days I don't think that there has been negative judgment passed on on our our representative regardless of how we may

252feel or positive or negative anyway so I don't think this has been a highly critical review personally but that's always a good reminder so I appreciate the discussion I just just want to add Dr Anderson would you say our April 23rd meeting will have a better sense uh from usbe and we can provide more more that meeting or I sure hope so I mean it does them like they're sifting through the rubble of this as well at this time but I hope by the April 23rd meeting we would have a better understanding of of of how we came out in the wash and and where we stand a financial basis and I do think it's important um to an earlier Point made that we we let our legislators we share with our legislators what what

253the what the net outcome was for this and while we appreciate the the increases in funding and the teacher pay we had significant um offsets that that are going to be really challenging moving forward into agenda item F purpose statements for licensed employee advisory committee and Jordan parent advisory committee Mr um two meetings ago the executive committee was tasked with finding or coming up with a purpose statement and maybe even a some structure detail on those two committees uh we met we hammered out a proposal this is not in any way what we considered a final draft this is just what we are proposing to the board in terms of a purpose statement and in in the case of leak maybe some structural suggestions um this is after considerable discussion um but we are to

254the point where they are on board dos um um we are proposing that these be the purpose statements of those two committees and any other details but we are open to a discussion and uh would now lay that before the board can I I I would like to ask Erin a question about the Jordan parent advisory um committee um statement um are are you happy with this do does do you does this feel good to you yeah I I felt like it was fine um I just now I was wondering if there should be a first quarterly meeting um only in regards to uh like trainings of school Community councils I had spoken uh with Dr Anderson about what kind of training we provide and he said it's usually emailed out um I can't remember

255if he said that they've ever met but there is stuff that's emailed out so my only the link to the trust lands stuff or yes and there was like a slideshow of things and so that would be my only concern is to make sure that at the beginning of the school year uh that there is enough training on how they should proceed as a school Community Council one slight concern with that is the jpack committee isn't the full community council and I think all members of the council should be receiving training right okay that is a very good point so as I've attended my various schools and each School approaches it differently but by and large that training is done in the school community council meeting like we just watched the video Al together okay

256okay but I'm open to if you feel like we need something more specific that might be sufficient um I need to look through that information again that Mike sent me and make sure that there is language in it saying that even if you're not like an elected member of that school Community Council you can still go and sit in those meetings and hear what's going on because I had heard from a parent that they thought they couldn't go and I was like no you should go and hear what's and I think that's even in the law I want to make sure that that gets portrayed as well so I I have another question too because um at a conference um one of those board conferences uh some I heard another board talking about how they

257had something kind kind of like jpac and they trained their school Community Council chairs um in how to engage with the legislature and they talk to them about legislative issues or whatever so that the chairs could go back and talk to their school community council members and I don't know if that needs to be explicit or if that is something that could happen if you wanted to does like does this limit or if so we have done that at our own jpac before and I I felt like that was the third bullet discussing the implementation of educational legislation okay so is that a time that we can talk about what this means and how to engage and how to understand and and how yeah if you have concerns here's how you can yeah I felt

258like the third bullet point covered that and I have ideas on that I was going to share when we once we get down to agenda G so but but yeah I I feel good about this so I'm excited to move forward with jpack so start but we'll get it moving any other concerns or discussion on the jpack oh okay great I don't know that we need a motion at this point but um let's move into the leak conversation also attached to board docs so I I have a question about that because on the this licensed educator advisory committee uh purpose statement it says um reps will not be compensated at their hourly rate for participation whereas in the 2019 um memo it says that Representatives oh will meet four times during the year and will

259be compensated at their hourly rate of participation and so I'm I'm interested to know how executive committee decided like why executive committee decided to change from compensating to not compensating it got messy it got messy and it became uh I need more hours I'd like to the I'd like to do the assignment so I could get increase my pay on a couple of occasions um we don't pay the parent advisory committee uh we paying people to counsel us is an uncomfortable thing for me and I propose that we remove that and ask for volunteers so that you come to the meeting because you want to advise the board not because there's a financial incentive and and one thing I think about too as a a parent advisory committee most of the parents live within the

260school district whereas I know teachers who come from I know one teacher who comes from Ogden I know teachers who come from Springville from Davis County and so it is in I it seems like it is at a G sacrifice of time to stay within the district to be able to participate for someone who lives 50 miles away versus someone who lives within the school district but they're already here and then they go home there's no added time or there's no added expense because they're coming as soon as school gets out which they're already here and they just stay for a couple hours and then they go home 2 hours later instead of when they would have gone home so it's not like they have to go home and come back they don't have to

261volunteer and they don't have to be the rep but they're already here in the they're already within our district they just stay a little bit longer for the meeting do people want to be the rep is it is it um easy to have a rep from every school or are there schools that were is I I'm just interested it seemed like there were a lot of people at the one leak meeting that I attended but that was when they were being compensated hourly and so I I do want to encourage as much participation as possible and will there be participation from every school um without the compensation I'm I'm curious what people think about that yeah I wonder if if there is lack of interest in participating if that isn't telling us something about the

262value they don't want to come unless we pay them I think that's telling but I believe there are a whole lot of them would that would jump at the chance to counsel with the board to have the ear of the board to speak to board members and they'd be happy to volunteer yeah let's let's say we roll this out and half the schools don't get someone who volunteers you have to ask yourself what message is that sending us that that some percentage of our schools didn't have a single teacher who was interested in speaking to us without being paid yeah there's I don't we still get 30 or 40 schools because there's still some that are interested so but teachers come to our public meetings and they speak they come willingly I just think I

263think there's a whole lot of teachers I know personally there's a whole lot of teachers that would love to serve on leak and don't need to be compensated to do so and so the motives are more pure you're saying I don't want to be a burden I don't want to burden our teachers I don't want to put more but if we walked into a school and said would someone volunteer this is just kind of a voluntary situation I guarantee a lot of hands would go up and it's only two to four times a year yeah it's not a huge burden right and yet they have an opportunity to have an they they have an opportunity to speak to the board everyone's fighting for that opportunity and we are handing them that opportunity I think it's

264a more pure meeting if it's I'm not paid to be there I'm glad to be there to improve communication I I watch parents who come without any compensation I just think it's a more pure meeting if we're all there because we want to improve and we're we're just volunteering to be there that's why it's on that's why it's there as a proposal in all caps is this a change I think he was highlighting a change this isn't the I mean of course they're not even the same format so we'll we'll jordane these once we have a chance to make sure that everybody's comfortable or make adjustments I think a lot of people who do come are also part of Ja and they pay to go to those they pay dues so that they can have

265a voice and we're not charging them something so maybe we should charge them just kidding I I think it's worth trying and if we find out that nobody wants to volunteer then we can take a look at whether or not this committee needs to be or whether or not we need to go back to compensating so I support it I did hear from two teachers uh recently that asked specifically about leak and they're like hey are we going to have leak again especially because they were concerned about the Union bill that passed and so they're like we still want to talk to you guys and so I was like don't worry we're talking about it so we've done significant things with this committee and it's probably more valuable now to go back to that uh

266another point that is a change that we'll just highlight is that we are requesting um a a 2-year term of service and that you serve one time in that term so that's a a bit of a departure from our previous so I wanted to and that you not serve if you've been the building rep if you've been the ra did I get that right ra A R A actually it's the U ar ar I got it wrong sorry ignore that it's not ra it's AR what is an AR what's the building rep what did they do they're the elected JEA representative for the building oh and so they they meet as a group on a regular basis throughout the year with Jaa leadership and not to exclude them but they already have an opportunity to

267speak to the board we just want to open it up to other voices so it's not currently it's previously as well yeah and I I have another um question so will the the leak leason to the board um be the one to set the agenda for the meeting or does the the board decide that I don't see well that's true it on here because that was something mentioned when we talked about this before there it seemed like there were people who said no the board decides what will be discussed so I'm just interested and we left that off we left that off because I don't think we want to take a position if you come to us as the leak rep and said I'd really like to have a meeting for these reason I think

268you have every right to do that so it's expected that I get it approved from the board what the the topic is yeah well let me is that the same for jpac yeah think so board committees well let me ask so are you asking if we direct you on the agenda or whether or not you can come to the board for support and feedback and ideas on your agenda well and I'm curious so like the the chair of any other committee so like finance committee do you get approval from the board about the agenda for your committee or facilities do you get approval from the board for your committee I I I'm just interested so it's it's different so like it's it's a thing that I will have to bring up in board reports this

269is what I would like to discuss at the next meeting and then is that how it has how we've always done it and then why is this committee different I'm curious historically it's an Advisory Board a board committee not an individual committee and I don't remember as a board even our committee with government relations we're three of us there's more of us but we still are acting with in the scope of the board I've never asked the board what we should discuss on our agenda for government relations historically that has happened that we should probably discuss is we have invited the chair to attend all of the meetings and then had two other board members attend on a rotating basis I just made the assumption that we would continue in the same pattern but that's

270probably something we should discuss and I need to go back and watch um the a board meeting from a while ago but I don't remember approving the questions that were asked at the leak meeting that I attended every sing the specific like we single time uh the board has agreed on an agenda before both of those meetings yeah I never held a board meeting with I never held a leak meeting without clear direction from the board nor did Matt when he was the chair there was a few times I wanted to go and explore other issues and the board wouldn't wouldn't approve it and this is because it's not stri the committee is not strictly limited to board members at Administration it's a very high-profile committee okay I'm trying to understand why the difference representing

271the full board in a meeting like this that's forward facing I I feel like it's important that the whole board and I'm not saying that the board wants to like monitor what like I I don't want to try to take out agenda items that you're trying to discuss but I would like a heads up if if it's being discussed right so that I am prepared for whatever conversations could follow there's exposure on these two committees that aren't on finance facilities this is a public Outreach opportunity right that feels different than studying issues that have been assigned to you by the board and that you will later make a recommendation for but I'm just one one brain so if you're uncomfortable with that let's talk about it and and as I read the purpose of the

272committee it seems like it is more of a receiving relationship so so like the leak committee the the board member or members participating are on the receiving end rather than on the informing or putting out I mean just when I says the purpose of this committee is to provide feedback to the board on recent board decisions counsil the board on policies and actions under consideration advise the board on the impact of the proposer recently approved legislation advise the board on issues that affect licensed employees I don't see anywhere that it says the purpose of this committee is for the board to provide information to the employees or to um explain to licensed Educators why we took this action it seems like all of it is about and and I like that that is what I

273was hoping the purpose would be so can I speak to that I feel like it is somewhat implied and maybe we shouldn't rely on implications but if we are allowing them to provide feedback or to counsil the board on policies or actions under consideration we first take them that right and we say hey this is what we're considering so we are informing them and then we're saying give us your feedback so I feel like it was implied that we will be telling them some things but essentially it's for them to to give us feedback is that like everyone as board members we have a lot of opportunities to tell our opinions I would love an opportunity to hear that feedback coming the other direction so of course I think Miss Barrow is exactly right that

274in order to introduce a topic we're going to need to give some backstory right like here's where we're at in this process here's how we got to this place but I hope hope that the intent of these both committees the intent is that we are receiving so that was that was my perspective as we put this together but you feel comfortable with that Lisa yeah um one thing I don't feel comfortable with is that we're not letting uh a former building rep be on leak I feel like just because it is very unclear to me now what Jaa is to us so I don't think we should eliminate someone who has previously been a building rep they I think they should still have an opportunity to serve on leak for just the 2-year term right

275I don't know I feel like we shouldn't exclude them I feel like this is kind of a freshh start because we have this bill that came in and so you're comfortable with the two-year term you're comfortable with only serving one twoyear term but just the AR piece you would but I guess I would add that if you are the current building rep you couldn't also be on leak but if you were a former building rep you still could and if you've priorly been on leak you can't be on leak I'd be okay with that because that's what we're I think that's why you're putting that in is we have a voice here and if that voice is the same voice as this voice we why do we want the same voice but now we're uncertain

276about this voice but so i' would like to add that in maybe in a year or two if we find out that ja has more of a voice than I think that they do but I would like right now to say if you've been on leak before you can't serve in this next term because we do have people who have been on leak from the beginning yep many well I'd be more comfortable with that than the building rep okay so let me just make sure I'm encapsulating this so the current AR rep isn't qualified to serve but there's no limit on if you have been in the past an AR rep but it just stands as a rule if you have served in leak somebody else gets a turn only one term ising the P

277that is everybody comfortable with those two let me just ask has it been problematic to hear from the same people I mean our public hears from us same people over and over and over again it is true but they have an opportunity to rotate us yeah but I mean the same could hold true for them right I mean they could rotate just not two terms in a row or I'm just curious has it been problematic in the past definitely talked about that at length should it be not two consecutive terms or should it be never I I think if we got to a point where we were out of people who wanted to do it maybe we would have to revisit this but I'm willing to give it a shot I don't feel strongly about

278it I'm just asking yeah and will the selection process be the same as far as electing the um leak representative that was set forth in that we decided not to take a stand on executive committee because most of the schools just ask for a volunteer they don't we wanted a very formal process where there was a blind vote and we just didn't want the deck stacked that there was a real way to get on leak without necessarily you know putting pressure on people to choose me um but what it became was I need a leak rep who will go and they chose a rep and so part of the question is do we really go back to a formal process when that has not been our practice our practice has simply been who's interested in

279being on leak you are okay great um there's nothing stopping a school from having a formal process if that works for them but we were very rigid you have to follow this the it you'll notice it said exactly as it's written um but then we just found that that's not necessarily a practical thing for them and so we did not I'm very happy Lisa if you want to decide how that rolls out I I think that sounds good just if the administration asks who wants to do this and I um so is does it seem logistically possible to have a leak meeting before the end of the school year okay but I would I would recommend that we start with a clean slate and just say anyone who's come thank you for your service but

280can we get all new Representatives every school sends a new represent can we start with a clean slate at the beginning of this school year I'd be okay with that but I know every I know who's who's going to come here here's my one concern about the past is we've kind of haven't done a lot with leak in the last year so if I just got elected to that do you want to not let them have that opportunity to be reelected cuz we really haven't done a lot in the last year and we I don't think we held an election in the last year so did so when was the last there's turnover sorry when was the last okay 23 was the last time anyone was asked to pick a representative last year we went

281with everyone that had already served unless they changed schools okay I I would encourage Simplicity and just saying if you've if you've been elected to serve on Le act previously then you're no longer eligible if that's if that's the intent of the board I would state it that way if you want to be more we can revise that later if we need to so if we get a school where it's the same person because nobody else wants to serve then that's telling we need to know okay we need to know that no one wants to come I want to look at this side of the room and those of you who have been in schools and have experienced that culture do you see pitfalls here well I think there will be people who will not

282be happy with the not having the opportunity to be on leag so you just have to weigh the people who will feel excluded an AR or someone who served before versus wanting to hear fresh voices so I think that is a possible that that's a likely outcome how with how many people is a is a separate question so you just have to balance that out if you want the fresh voices that have not been involved in the ways you've described then the trade-off is that some people might feel upset that they don't get to participate again um I I like the flexibility of an on the election I think the flexibility on the election or or the rigidity of the election was meant to accomplish what the rules you've talked about will accomplish that's that's

283exactly why we did that I thought that okay I I felt like the election was hey we don't want it to just be whoever raises their hand we want this to be more about who the faculty wants to represent them so taking that away allows for some greater flexibility on who would serve so you're increasing flexibility on one end and decreasing it on the other can we add that phrase to this service on the leak is a volunteer basis reps will not be compensated at their hourly rate for participation something about representing your school or representing your facility what whatever word you want to use for that because they're not just reps they representatives for the scho to the schools oh it's not our document oh okay I thought you were going to share this

284with them sent out to the schools okay don't I didn't catch what you wanted I wanted to emphasize when you choose someone you are representing your school so it may it may indicate to them we don't just want to ask ask for a volunteer openly I want to say would you I would like you to represent us would you be on this or would you be on this rather than an open so you'd like like an administrator to make invitations I don't it doesn't I don't want to require it I guess what I just want to say is I want to elevate the volunteer as a representative for your school so so someone who you feel would represent your school well maybe maybe it's a nonissue but if that's part of the concern I feel

285like I could I was just wondering if we should I don't know make some sort of allowance saying that you couldn't serve two terms in a row right or should we just keep it at one term and that's all I would strongly recommend one term and that's all and is it upfront that they know that they you're now been represented and you are our rep for two years but if they like I don't know so it's consecutive you're we've picked you for the next two years that would be make sure that's clear and I think we would make that clear in the information that went out in my experience as a volunteer right like just being a mom in this school and having opportunities to step up I have noticed that not every parent has

286the luxury of being able to serve right so you tend to see similar faces again and again and I don't think it's always because of disinterest or because of um that because they don't have a desire but because their life circumstances look different and I'm curious if our teachers might have similar situations where there might be some who just don't have the capacity to add something else to their schedule um and so then we really limit the pool if we say you can never serve again because then are people being pressured to make space in a life that I mean I want people to be here because they have a vested interest and a desire and not because peer pressure and like well you're the only one left you got to go you know what

287I mean that make any sense yeah but we've only had a we've only had a possible two turnovers it seems like never again is I mean at the very most a school has sent two people I don't think there's a single school that has sent three people in the entire life of leak and so we're talking we're just simply saying hey those two that you've sent send new people and given an elementary sending one a School sending four or yeah four like three three I think you'll find plenty of people who have never come and would like to come I'm just worried about the person who always comes the the the parent who goes to everything and volunteers to EV for every committee and everyone else just is content to send that parent right instead

288of oh that one is done oh I'll step up I'd like to go and a future board can change that I think what we're saying right now is we would like to kind of whitewash everything bring new blood fresh voices hear fresh voices and in two years or four years or eight eight years whenever a board can say you know what yeah let's go back and change that so um I think at least now this would be a really good time to get fresh fresh voices said I'm willing to try it but that's my I'm a little nervous we can we can add that in even two years or yeah that's true so can I ask I that's we're talking leak is limited to one time but not jpack JP's the if you're the Pres

289if you're the chairman jpac depends on the chair yeah your automatic the chair you're automatically coming back elected you yeah so you've already gone through an election process right gotcha um one qu one more question do we see any downside to having everybody knew in two years and not staggered I was thinking of that too not withit to staggering not with necessarily how were you there doesn't we have never gone back and needed oh you have you need to have information from a previous meeting in order to give us feedback that's not how we ually I'm thinking it more in the sense of I know how this works I'm in a rhythm I'll help the other people who are new understand that Rhythm and how things go rather than having to say want everybody at

290the same time teach you how this goes and and so what I Envision is having well I'm going to let the cat out of the bag before committee reports but what I would like to talk about at our first meeting is the cell phone policy and what I Envision is um you know the leak Representatives at different tables and have a copy of the cell phone policy so people can see EX exactly what it is and then I want personally I want feedback about what is going well with the cell phone policy and what are the challenges like do you know what I mean and I want to hear what they are seeing and feeling about it and and so it seems like that type of format would not need a lot of training do

291you know what I mean because they could say well this is how it's working for me the and this is how it's been working for my colleague and this is how it's been working for my other colleague you know what I mean and so it's it's not like there's a real necessity to do you know what I mean because even if there's a representative that cannot attend then they could probably ask any other any other teacher at their school will you attend for me do you know what I mean and and my hope is that they will maybe like solicit some feedback from their colleagues before they come to the meeting and do you know but does that make sense yes mhm but I don't know if that's what the the executive committee was talking

292about with this purpose yeah there isn't a large learning curve here it's just a lot of feedback we and that's exactly what I was hoping our first meeting would be tell us how the cell phone policy is going just tell us what's happening in your school good and bad we're listening how's the cell phone policy going I don't think you need a large learning curve to be able to come back and give give that feedback and and do you know what if we want to stagger we could stagger um secondary and Elementary do you know what I mean like this year we want all new elementary and then next year we want all new secondary if I mean like if we want to mix it up like that you a good point there have been

293issues that are specific to different environments where we've chosen to invite them at different meeting times or even with different agendas and I think that's fine moving forward we separated Andor Andor you organize the meeting that way and you can leave because the rest is secondary yeah and that's how it was organized the meeting I went to these tables are for elementary these ones are for secondary you know great yeah so I move I think we should take action on this I move that we approve this document other then we allow past AR ARS to be a leak representative I hear a second so what what what was that so we will allows okay yeah concern not current but past AR ARS can be a leak they could serve every other yeah if term so

294yeah we're saying please don't don't send someone who's been on leak or who is a current AR and and the thing is I would rather have somebody than nobody so if the only person willing is somebody who was already a rep and vote against it I want that and I would like I would like them to send no one if that's the case because I'd like to know which schools send no one I'll second Bryce's proposal okay so we have a motion on the table that we approve the document as written with the addition of saying that it's um we exclude only the current AR and previously not previously um the rest is as written is that the way yep that's the motion so we have a motion by Mr Dunford a second by Dr

295Robinson discussion clarification you mentioned that we would potentially make these look similar have staff go through and format them properly is yes does that contradict the motion that we're still going to make some edits to them to what to these two statements about Le oh no we would just I think Lisa would work with Anthony on the instructions that go out yeah here's the guidelines to the board and then Lisa as the chairman moving forward would send a letter out to the schools right these these documents are going to live amongst us yes so in two years when there's new people on the board we'll give them these documents and my question was we it was mentioned that they're both formatted differently and are we going to word Smith them and and make both of

296these statements look similar and if we are that I don't know that the motion would that's not in my motion yeah that's not in the motion I'm not worried about the formatting here I'm worried about making it work and then we can we can do a second motion we can worry about formatting later something else that came up during discussion that might be nice to include in them was a description um of the fact that the agenda items for the meetings should be run past the full board first I mean there were some there were some questions during our discussion that aren't represented in the current documents so I'm ing if my intent I I I admitted that what I meant to say is leak will meet on an as needed basis as directed by

297the board with a goal of meeting two to four times during the year no I think he's addressing the fact that we indicated the board will direct the agenda for each meeting as needed basis as directed by the board we need to add that and so that means that that's not clear to me I do I don't wait for the board I can say I want to have a meeting here here and then if three other board members say fine then that's you may bring the you may bring it to the board but you don't hold a meeting until the board gives a no that's what I'm saying like and then if four board members say yeah then we can have a meeting then that's what directed by the no no no no she's saying

298if she gets three or four people she can have a meeting you no I said if three so to bring it here to this that's what I said so if I want to have a meeting and I bring it to the board and three other board members say yes you can have the meeting then I can have the meeting well she three other okay I'm just taking notes let me make sure I'm I'm getting the idea that you're trying to put across so agenda items may be recommended by leak members but will be approved by the full board is that by the leak chair or by members like we want the I think I that was the earlier comment was saying like well what if they want to recommend an agenda item can they do

299that well yeah but that's not a guaranteed agenda that's what I meant by that but maybe I should phrase it differently so agenda items may be may be recommended by leak members and will be approved by the full board the other idea that I thought was important that came up was why are these two committees why do they function differently than facilities or finance and we discussed that and the answer was because they're they're public facing um they're receiving committees as opposed to a discussion amongst committee members I thought that was an important piece of information that would be valuable in two years when we're trying to remember now what's the difference between between these two commit between these committees and the others I would like to see something in the description of these two

300committees for those those two points I I like this I I I feel like this is a good uh jumping board for us to get feedback from our teachers uh especially in the face of the Union bill passing and I hope that this is uh a sign for teachers letting them know that we want to hear from them that that they are a part of this District as much as parents and students and we are and that we want to hear from them we would encourage them to volunteer to serve the two-year terms and I hope that they hear that and that there if there's teachers out there who think we're not going to listen I hope that this is an olive branch saying we want to listen so that's what I wanted to add

301so rather than change the motion I've changed the document the document now reads to ensure maximum breadth of input the board asks that LE leak rep serve a term of two years only and that no newly selected leak rep have served previously on leak or is currently serving as the AR leak will meet on an as needed basis as directed by the board with a goal of meeting two to four times during the year um I'm could we maybe um have the not not be all caps and the no not be bold caps just like a regular no and a regular not a little aggressive that was for our discussion that's the change need clarification that a leak meeting can be requested by the board or the chair with that's our normal practice is okay

302that's how we do everything well except the other committees it goes back to these two committees are different from all the other committees so having changed that document I'm going to stay with that well I can't because she's already called she's already called the question but can do a substitute that motion would be applicable now because we've changed the document the question was called I didn't even hear a second was there a second oh okay do we need to cast his CH for to see and was the question called well we have a motion on the table so now we are having discussion and then a vote unless we do a substitute motion I just thought when the question was called then the discussion stopped and we took a vote yeah I I don't know

303that we've had a formal called a question but maybe called the question no she called the question which by stating the motion she restated it she stated the question she didn't call it she stated the question doesn't that then mean then we have discussion or yes it just means I can't change my motion right so she otherwise I would have made a change to my motion stated it we've kind of we had discuss real quick so we can does anybody need to see his changes cast before we vote I cast up onto the TV you're good okay okay all in favor of adopting the document as presented can I say that say I I I and any opposed okay great okay New Motion I move that we legitimize these documents and put them in our

304long-term possession whatever that is so that future boards have these documents I move that executive committee work to standardize the formatting the look and the feel the general understanding that captures this statement and we produce a document that can be added to our document storage document storage as an official for form that this is what we came to I I I'm just moving that we formalize the piece of paper for future benefit should go to Executive or should it go to policy that's a good idea I would re I would I move that we send it to the policy committee for cleaning up and that would come back to present to everybody yes I have a slight pause on that and that's just because policy doesn't have any staff members and I think putting it

305into a format that is consistent with our district documents is best done with our staff members well can reach out to a staff member or you can send it to executive committee either way my motion is to formalize this I like what Mr Barnett said I think we need to formalize these documents for long-term memory and the policy committee would have to try to figure out how to do that because we don't have a current way don't have a current process that's why I think it should be in policy and then it would go through executive as it comes back to the board well I'm going to Second this so we can keep discussing it so I second um cuz my question was going to be let her state it like a V sorry so

306we have a motion by Mr denford a second by Miss Barrow that we formalize that that the motion won't include who someone formalized the document sorry that we formalize the documents with the I don't I just are we ready to do jpack because there were adjustments made to leak that I think might apply to both but we're this motion is for both yes okay now I'm going to restate it um we have a motion in a second that we formalize these documents into board um archives that's a good word that's a good word all right discussion to discussion to the motion okay my question was where are these documents going to go where have these documents been do they just float around like we don't have official an email that's where it was an email

307because it's not official policy right and so this is just board documents so where is that going to be kept for future boards to access I have a thought on that so we have a document in our appendix and also on our website that lists what are all of the Committees um at the beginning of this year we asked the staff members who have traditionally been involved on that committee to write a short statement I wonder if we could include it in that document so there's not only a list of what the Committees are but there is also a short statement of what that means and it would live in our in our appendix where is this appendix how can I access appendix it's in board dos no no no it's the board policies appendix

308if you go to the Jordan website the manual no go to the board go to board of education then board policies there's actually a link in board docks for it and scroll down to the the bottom there's an appendix policies appendix that's where it would live thank you that's a an idea that I'm throwing out I wasn't saying that had to be but and I think one of the things the policy committee needs to do is clean all of that up and we need to make these documents live in our doc we need to they need to be a in a permanent place for future boards to access so that we don't have to do this again no other Board needs to do this and wonder what we meant and there are several documents like

309this like our Continuum our housing Continuum where does that live right we need to give them homes so I'm a little confused because I feel like we were saying before for leak this document is not going out to them they'll be sent something else so I felt like when we said that it was like no one but boor is allowed to see this document cont in the appendix so I'm just confused if you put it in our policies no one will ever see it that's the cleaning up process that we'll bring back to the board to say are you now comfortable making this a public document okay so what I meant was this document is not going anywhere but the replacement document should live in a public place okay other discussion are people ready to

310vote let vote okay all in favor of the motion to formalize and archive these documents regarding leak and jpac please say I I I and any opposed say nay okay that passes um Can executive committee take the assignment as to how that is sent or do you want to make a decision right now what do you mean is it the executive committee that does this or is it the policy the policy committee is not quite ready to tackle something like this but maybe this would be a good thing for the policy committee to formally organize so that it could but executive committee is prepared to tackle that assignment darl was interested in sending it to the policy committee but that would take some time we can send it to the executive committee and get it

311done quickly is there an urgency I think we all have a vision that can we move forward with organizing the groups and holding meetings before it's formalized hope so if we can move forward then I'm comfortable taking time that's why I made two separate motions I do think there is urgency to meet that's why I made two separate motions so we could approve the meeting and get going on that and yet take some time to approve of of just think we need to formalize this so that the next chair of leak doesn't have these same questions for sure okay but I very much encourage Lisa to start moving on this so one of the questions you'll get is do do I get a whole year of service because we're going to have one meeting this

312year fair question unless we meet from January through December instead of calendar year instead of school years I mean the only drawback of that is changing school they might leave people transfer they leave I think that makes it complicated we could make the first one we could just make an exception that if you come from January you your two-year term starts this summer and this one so you get an extra meeting so I think Lisa needs to get going on the election process the the selection the selection process get because that's going to take some time and then we election then we can start working on an agenda later but I think the selection process needs to get going quickly and jpack should be organized honestly for all intents and purposes chairs are all there

313already yeah yeah so next steps um and maybe this will happen in board committee reports but uh proposals of agendas and dates for future meetings for both groups is that what's next well I was hoping to be able to bring forth my thoughts when it was time for like the what is it number eight licensed employee advisory committee report and comment yeah absolutely okay should we move to the next agenda item then all right board member committee and superintendent reports and comments I have a comment that is not a committee report um and shocking isn't it okay so um there's just been so much talk about Dei and diversity equity and inclusion and I just would like to talk about what these things mean and what they mean in our school district and in our

314community so diversity that is um many different types of things or people and the way that we see that in our school district and in our communities is there are people of a lot of different ages people of a lot of different socioeconomic backgrounds um people who look differently different heights um just we have a lot of different types of people and um another thing Equity it's being fair and impartial and what this looks like in our school district is um multilanguage Learners sometimes have translation assistance with you know um technology uh there are IEPs and um 504 plans also in in the whole state there's schools for the deaf and schools for the blind all of these things help there to be some fairness and impartiality in the education system and then inclusion is

315providing equal access to Opportunities and resources for people who might otherwise be excluded and we see this in our school district in including our students in the least restrictive environments for our special education students we see it in Unified sports we see it a lot in elementary schools where teachers are trying to um help their students include include other students in their friend groups and not exclude them and I just want to bring this up because it seems like um there's a lot of discourse that these words are bad things but they are good things and they are present in our society in our community in our school district and I am very happy that we have these things in our school district so just because when people say Dei together and it there are

316laws that restrict the use of these three words what these words mean are not bad things and we want them in our school district and some of them it's the law that we have them in our school district so yeah [Music] anything from facilities facilities met um last Friday is that right yeah we had a good hour and a half meeting together discussed a lot of things the minutes of that meeting are on board dos i en than you Brian thank you for the idea for the training Bryce um I encourage you if you're interested to read through those um and if you have any questions about anything that you read I'm I'm happy to answer questions in person or via email um I think what we're what we're focusing on right now I'll just

317highlight this uh is that the trigger points for boundary changes we spent quite a bit of time on that and there are some assignments made uh Mike and his staff are going to uh kind of formalize some of the ideas that were put 4th and share those via email with the committee and over the next several weeks we'll iterate on those as a committee via email and then when we get together I think our next meeting is until May um hopefully we'll have made a lot of progress via email so that we're ready to adopt whatever that process has created so yeah it was it was a good meeting so any other anything else um darl or Aaron that you wanted to mention from that meeting or um I'll just mention I guess that uh

318I will be going on a little field trip to see the changes that were made at Bingham High School since we're looking at uh remodeling West Jordan high school so I'm going to go on a field trip to see those two did you go in before had you seen Bingham before I had not no when are you going on this field trip on Monday I need to take one of those field trips myself but and then we do have plans to reach out to more of you about a wider district field trip to see um other plots and things so but if you want a tour you should reach out to Scott do you remember Scott what the date was is it Monday for the one that I was are we going to West Jordan

319as well on that one you're West Jordan yeah okay at West Jordan and Bam or just West Jordan West us might to what there will be similarly West anyone can go but we can't have a a quum and this on Monday during outstanding educator so I'll be happy to go if there's a second group so how many are going Monday I'll be going to West Jordan only y yeah and it's in the morning yeah yeah about 9:15-ish we're planning on starting at West Jordan is that right yeah okay how about lunch on Tuesday within the can't say that within the boundaries of the [Laughter] district that's I would love to do that I think it would be a worthwhile tour but we talked about that EX more visiting especially the summer project thing so we

320have better um some better Visions when we're voting for something then we've been on the spot so we'll hopefully we'll invite as as we start looking at the next projects and so if you're interested it will be one of those things we'll just put it out and again keep it to three but if we have to have two groups or three groups especially if you're going to go visit a specific board member School I would love an invitation a good example of that would would be the Black Ridge Elementary that we just approved um probably many of you didn't actually see with your eyes kids leaving and how dangerous that was and if you saw that it would make it so much easier to make that boat where being in parking lot many of us

321have driven by that we kind of know that a little bit easier probably didn't need to visit that one so that's kind of the difference of two projects where maybe CN one might have helped yeah great Point okay I think that's it from facilities right Finance me today um as a finance committee we are required to complete certain training um and so when you see the minutes go out about our meeting there will be a link on that Lisa would you include the link for all board member training I knew you were going to do that there is a link for all board members to complete a certain training and then there's certain training that the finance committee has to complete so that will be watch for that and please complete that um our finance

322committee has taken the assignment to complete that training before our next finance committee if you would take that upon yourself to complete your training before middle of April and report back to Mr lson that you have completed that training he is required to report that you have completed that training other than that we are working on things that we will present to you later is this training something in addition to what we did at the beginning of this year if you did it all at the beginning of the year you're good you're good okay there's something we signed like the sign thing was different okay sign items were uh different an online training that you have to watch the videos I I've I've watched a few don't know if I've done the right ones but

323I'll show them to you the years blur that's it from Finance for government Relations Committee we'll be meeting tomorrow um now that the session is over we're going to focus on making plans for building Partnerships with our local legislators um with with uh the uncertainty of what may happen at the federal level with the Department of Education also like just talk about uh if more control goes to the state all the more importance are Partnerships will be with our local legislators is there anything that the board would like to give the government Relations Committee beyond what I just described okay that's it nothing from policy review quick question um for the government Relations Committee who's on that besides you and Mike or is it just you and Mike Nikki and Daryl oh okay and John

324attends as well I'm not going to call out individual but kind of look down if you have something uh High High School Activities Association is meeting next week to review our bylaws and our constitution I will report on any changes that come and so for um leak I need to get together with somebody on staff to find out how to look at a calender and when rooms are available so as not to have a conflict so I'm hoping that somebody can train me on that kind of thing and like how to reserve a room and then um some of the things that I think would be interesting to um hear from the teachers about I already mentioned aa453 use of personal electronic and communication devices in school that policy where we could just read through

325it and hear how what it's like for the teachers another thing that I am always interested in is uh challenges and successes in attendance and I know the district has um several policies that talk about attendance but it seems like a lot of times it comes down to what's going on in school so I that's something that I am curious about what teachers see as successful or not successful and another thing that I think would be interesting is to read um to have copies of HB and I'm not talking about doing all of these things but maybe a couple of them um have a copy of HB 77 the flag display Bill and and then just find out what teachers think about it and um I I think it would be interesting to hear what

326they have to say and and also let them see exactly what it says so I don't know if anybody else has other suggestions or things that they think are pressing would it be appropriate since we have talked about mtss and a priority getting any feedback from the teachers on those who have used it what their views are on it is that an appropriate topic I think that is an appropriate topic um I don't know I I don't know like exactly what questions to ask about that at this point and moving forward as um we more schools implement the positive reinforcement um and and when I say that I'm not trying to say that only a few schools are doing that but like get the the training what is the acronym for that again PB PBIS

327positive behavior intervention systems yeah so the so as I I would love to find out more about that but um I don't know I would rather have it be more comprehensive as a future but I would I am interested in that I just don't know quite how to address that right now but I mean if anybody has ideas about how to address that I'm okay to it I feel like you have a pretty full list I'm even wondering if well I was thinking it could be one or two or well and and that's what I'm thinking I thought two of these would be great yeah I think you're right and and the reason I'm including the hb77 is because sometimes I think there are misconceptions about what a bill does or doesn't do and I

328think it would be nice if we could just have it right there and then hear from the teachers what they think about it I don't know why because I'm really curious about what the teachers think I am really interested in what they have to say care about what teachers think about following a law well I think it at least for me talking about practical applications of the law here's what we need to watch for or restrict here's what the that's good but to take feedback about whether or not we're going to follow a law I think is inappropriate well and and so for me A lot of times I personally when something has happened that I consider maybe that that I'm unhappy about sometimes just processing it with other people and being able to talk

329about it it makes it less painful to um to comply and so that is part of why I think it would be nice to talk about it because I think that this is a bill that is painful for some teachers and I don't know about in our district necessarily but I think that it might be something that they would like to talk about and it it could put the board in in a tough situation I think if we're instructing them and telling them this law pass this is how we're going to apply it but if you're going to open up a law for discussion and debate it's going to put the board in a tough situation and administration in tough position and and so with that I I think that um I have a different

330view of it I wasn't looking at at it as something where I would debate with people but I thought that when they saw exactly what the bill was and then they could just I don't know say what they thought about it and maybe anyway I'm I'm not hoping for a debate and maybe there will be a debate but there could also be a debate about the cell phone policy which is also now law so I don't know yeah I think it would just be important to approach this in a useful way right so I think that knowing what it a new expectation is in the state of Utah and understanding parameters to function under are useful I think turning it into a gripe session of how unfair it is or like do I have to

331tattle on my neighbor something like that could get Negative fast so Mike's a master at this like it would probably be more appropriate to call it a legislative review and cover a couple things including that one but he does that all the time in jpac and leac and he could just do abbreviated session of this and include that as one of them but I would not want an open debate about that a policy we can change that's our policy and we can't throw it out cuz that's the law right we have to have a policy but we can still change that policy so that's different than feed feedback against the law and I would not want to have a leak meeting on something that we don't even know is an issue I think they the

332percentage of I don't even know the percentage of teachers that this affects and to make an assumption that it has a a large effect on all of the teachers in our district therefore let's take it up in a leak meeting I would I would much rather spend our time on issues that we know affect all teachers at all buildings at every level I think it would be beneficial though to make sure they know about laws and say if you've got a flag that might violate just want to let you know there's a fine associated with it yeah yeah they should definitely be informed but I don't know that leak is the means of informing them any advice Mike Anthony leak is not the means of informing them um if there are I think there are

333times when there are laws that might I mean I think all of these things can be true we don't want to ask for feedback on something where we don't have flexibility we're not using leak to inform there may be a law where we say this is how we plan to implement that do you have feedback because there's some flexibility in how we implement it so we I think we can be thoughtful in helping with the agenda R chime in here but I think we have more frequently had and Daryl I think we've we've more frequently had too much on the agenda than too little two items is about all you can do and I think so I I think so you think one would be fine if I think we ought to have even if

334you had two items I think two items does the trick one item might be adequate um because I want I want it to be somewhat structured I don't want it to um turn into a free-for-all yeah um and so I was hoping to have I I feel like the the cell phone policy could be plenty but then I here's an example you talk you you you assign stat I will say this assign us to whatever you would like us to do that can help so one example is you could say uh we're going to review the process we went through to establish the cell phone policy talk about the legislation that was just in PL that was just enacted and then get your feedback on how you feel things have gone now the reason for

335bring up the legislation is that you do have a choice that's an example of legislation where you have a choice on how to implement it you could vote to say the default is that we restrict cell phone use but we are going to vote not to restrict it any longer does that make sense so now you say this is how we got to where we are the law allows us to step back from that what's your feedback what have your experiences been and you'll get a wide range of feedback and then you could have one more topic to close it up hey we we just had one other question about this how's this going and and now as I'm thinking about it I think that uh secondary licensed Educators could probably talk about cell phones

336for a long time whereas I don't know that in elementary school it's as big of a topic but you might find out that that it is that it is okay and there might be some that say well we've got watches that are an issue and well in our class we used to you know and and so I think it's good topic to divide on to have a different uh group for secondary and Elementary so you mean like have two different meetings or or just move the TBL and I don't that however you think it can also be instructive for elementary to hear what secondary is going through on this and for secondary to have a better understanding of what's happening with Elementary so there are a lot of productive ways I think that would be

337productive as well to split it up but that's an example of legislation that gives us a choice we can be more restrictive we we can we can we can be more restrictive we can be less restrictive so given the legislation the process we went through what do you think we should do next based on your experience you'll get a ton of feedback you'll get a wide range you'll even get teachers who say well I've experienced this and then there will be three more that raise their hand and say but that's not what's happening in my school so it's really I think I I like the focus on structure I think you ought to have a primary Topic at the beginning it's kind of like when you're teaching you never know how long something's going to

338go and you don't want to be caught short so you have your main one first another one second that's important but not as important so that if there's time to be filled you're ready to go to the next topic so we probably don't have to finalize this you'll bring back dates to the next one we can assign um what board members are gonna are able to attend and then and I would like to work on what like the I don't know presentation or whatever how does the board feel about um you know aa453 the cell phone policy so just as an example with our last meeting I sent out Anthony's presentation and I sent out the PowerPoint and then I basically said here are three questions to consider please come back and answer these three

339questions so they had something to study something to review and then kind of some questions to get their mind focused on what we were looking for so you could send out the cell phone policy and say and here are three questions that we're seeking to answer is that enough to go on until the next meeting oh yeah yeah okay all I wanted was yeah that's okay to move forward with kind of putting some together about the cell phone policy okay and you have the email you you've got the emails now I can phase out of that so you get my email I did get your email but I I there's an there is an official leak email okay that has okay you need to take that over because I'm bowing down bowing out okay so

340the leak at jordandistrict.org okay yeah I see that I wouldn't use it now because it's been so long that Pro most of the people on that list would not be the same but as you gather a list of people I would email them from that email because then that's the official leak email address and so logistically um I am a dinosaur so do I send around like a clipboard write down your email address or do we get it from roxan okay so some people have assistance that can assist with this we will we will talk Logistics we'll help you okay all the way through thank you I will give you a power I will give you an Excel spreadsheet of everyone who has represented their school in the past we'll help with all the logistics

341um so I have uh made a rough draft for a jpack agenda so yes I don't know how I go about this but I shared it with Mike and I still need to speak with him about it but essentially the first meeting I'd like to have here at the end of the year would just be a legislative review stating the the bills that affect education how they might affect us um letting them know and then um kind of giving them a walk through PowerPoint of if you'd like to be more informed this is the website you go to you can make an account this is how you track a bill and just highlighting like over here there's the fiscal note you want to look at you want to look at the red highlights just kind

342of giving them a little overview something they can take back to their schools um I was able to do a small little Bill legislative review for my PTA um meeting just to say hey these are some education bills if you guys want to know about them and so um that's kind of the rough draft for an idea for an agenda um notes from the rest of the board on that idea I think it's a good idea I don't know if it will get people there okay I wonder you're training you're you're pushing information out rather than pulling information back is that your plan yes you're going to train you for this one to say these are the bills if you want to get involved next year this is how you stay informed and they can

343pass that on I don't know is that a good idea I wonder if you could do that for part and maybe get like you had mentioned cell phone policy feedback as well you you think you could do both I don't remember if I did well just in passing we were just at the capital we were like this is an idea that I had oh it was was not formal but um I think something like that they're going to feel like oh I do have an opinion and I want to tell you about it okay so it might increase the people who are willing to leave their family and come to a meeting okay where you want to talk about legislative process would be early in the fall next year cu it's going to be closer

344to when they actually take action on it so if you're going to talk about the process to getting involved if you want to talk about what has happened then I think now's a good time but okay if you're looking for suggestions I would love to ask parents how can we increase attendance I was absolutely stunned with Dr Godfrey's presentation that the the difference in proficiency rates among poor attenders was nearly 20 points off 20 percentage points difference between high attenders and low attenders and I think that is a major issue and we need parents' help to know how do we increase attendance because we have a problem we need Mom and Dad to we need help we need to know what we can do to increase attendance because we have a problem that's just my

345idea I appreciate that and I think I'm talking about the curriculum changes that we heard about tonight might be a good thing oh good one yeah this is great thank you I appreciate and why they need I think helping them well I don't I I'm I'm hesitant to push a lot of information out I'd like to get their feedback but I think people need to understand why we're changing all this curriculum well well if they have concerns she can address them right and also I feel like that's what our open houses are for to ask him questions and stuff but I do think it's helpful this is a fairly new process holding these open houses is you get to go review I think it's helpful to explain that so people understand what their rights are

346what why we're doing it in this way how can they give feedback might be helpful well most of our curriculum is available I mean just talking about curriculum in general some changes but also like if you have concerns we can help you with that people sometimes think we're hiding something and we're not we just put it in a y so no one will see it and I think it's healthy at this point to just simply say what are your concerns what are your concerns about the school district what are you talking about in your community what are what is your neighborhood talking about what should be on our radar that's clearly on yours the best thing about this committee is to ask parents what concerns parents what worries and concerns do parents have and then

347we can ask we can check ourselves to see if we're concerned about the same things it might help to build future agendas that's the first thing we did with leak is what's the problem what's the problem and we came back with gobs of information that we had to process and then we went back and said okay you've told us that this is a problem now counsel with us on how to solve that one problem great great ideas I really appreciate it too with all your time because you don't have enough on yours so can I talk about Jordan Education Foundation are you good was that the end of yours yeah I think so so are you going to also come up with a date bring that back to the next meeting yes yes perect thank

348you get date we figure that out time place and all that jazz perfect okay yes go ahead Lisa so um you please just call me Lisa it's easier but um so the foundation has been been doing the outstanding teacher visits um and I've seen other board members participate and it is fantastic if have you gone I have it on my calendar to go to somewhere it is amazing to see anyway it it's just really great and one date like if there's only one day that you can go remember Thursday March 20th is the bus day and it is a party bus you meet at the district offices at 7:00 a.m. and then you ride on the bus with some of the most positive people in the whole world and there are even snacks and it

349is it's really pretty great so um that's what I have to say about [Music] that oh and Al yes so you you all got the email about these yeah thank you I got something for suic Academy um high school has made a petition to this uh state board Charter School to um take over what's known right now as Athos AOL will close at the end of the year and they will reopen under the um under the operations of Salt Lake Academy and there'll be a a K12 school so they've taken that to the state Charter board last month and they um have a second hearing on that would be on March 20th so before we meet again for approval and um so they're working in that behalf if if that's accepted they can't have two

350charters so that would dissolve our effective July July 1st and then they would just charart with the state at that time how many just just one they're they're na that's the problem they're a national company that's being run nationally and have the one building out in Herman the one building out in Herman and so they'll actually use both facilities in kind of a unique way they'll move you they'll move some of their sports for high school to a they're already using that so I think it's a good partners was that the charter school that was next in terms of English they were yeah they were on that list yeah yeah and they've struggled they've continued to have administrators I think they said they had 15 administrators in eight years and so this would give stability

351to a school in our community I think and and um and solic Academy really has done a great job their their uh statistics and graduation rates and everything are super good you know I think this will be a good positive thing in our community and they still have said and expressed that they want to have a good relationship with Jordan School District even though we won't be their Charter and I hope that will be the case so um I'll let you know what the state says um when we get that okay but we'll move forward we'll Brian and I will continue to serve on their board until it's dissolved and I'll probably personally continue on that that board not as an assignment here at least during the transition portrait of a graduate was able to

352meet with essential elements this morning um we are planning so they're having an inperson couple of days in March that of March the 26th and 27th I think um where they'll be finalizing um a few of the documents that they've been working on tell me what they're called what the grade banding but it anyways proficiency scills thank you proficiency skills I'm like why am I blanking um and then they are going to virtually attend our April 8th meeting so that they can report back to the board on the results of those meetings and next steps um and we kind of kicked around the idea of the board putting together an induct introductory video for our staff members at the big kickoff at the beginning of next school year um is everybody comfortable if we start

353organizing that okay perfect but I leave that I think that's it yeah the the professional development in August is when it was going to be kind of a soft launch with Administration and teachers there and yeah I think it's uh more of a direct hard launch the with uh you know we've done a soft one with administrators and then this will be our opportunity to really bring teachers up to speed and to give them a it's not a secret right now but it will it will have them think about their own practice the work of their team the work of their school and how it relates to portrait of a graduate and the Strategic plan and was this is this kind of the deadline is this the first use of this video Yeah in August

354yeah and I don't think it needs to be complex just you know board members talking about aspects of the process and the plan um I have just a couple of things from usba uh reminder that the spring Regional meetings are this week so the 12th so tomorrow night is our assigned meeting time but if you want if you're unable to make it to that one and you want to attend a different one just let them know ahead of time so that they can get counts and you're welcome to attend whichever of those um nsba is coming up in April I believe we only have two board members attending this year but we'll report back on that um and then we are working on um how we can work with our legislative leadership in the interim

355um they're looking for some ideas of things that that you're interested in communicating with them about um I can forward what they have so far but if you have others that you want to include um that is what usba is going to be up to at their next meeting so when you say legislative leadership do you mean like speaker of the house and president of the senate or or of usba the yeah the leadership of usba is having me or of jlc maybe I'm combining these two is having meetings with legislative leadership but also just working with legislators in general that was probably poorly phrased because it's after 10:00 but um anyway they're they're just looking at what do we want to start opening conversations regarding and I can read it to you if you're

356interested but none of it will be shocking to you it's like absenteeism remove or fund unfunded mandates like school safety class size reduction remove some reporting and audit requirements for leas S sp37 change the wording on the property tax notices so some of the things that we've already talked about an inflation adjustment to the certified tax rate more UFA accountability and information for leas ways to increase the wpu above inflation discussion on sun setting program fund ing from sb102 and transportation Equity fix funding models that penalize efficiency in school transportation those are the ones that they already have and if you'd like to add to that list feel free to add to it have one already don't I have one okay funding crossing guards I would like to see the state legislature fund crossing guards

357is that a priority for us it's not I don't think the funding is the problem I think finding people to do it is the problem I know the cities would rather have us fund it but it's not currently our responsibility so I well that's why I was thinking if the state legislature decided to fund it at a level that it was not as difficult to fill those positions and it seems like the kind of Bill that maybe a legislator might like because it's all about safety I'll just tell you cities are super super excited to push that responsibility over to us and so if that becomes our priority without Lincoln with them that could be dangerous for us super dangerous because they're already wanting that Herman chief of police said the problem isn't an hourly

358rate change the problem is it's part-time employment and most people who had part-time employment in this economy have left to seek full-time employment I'm sorry open this city to solve this because I think that we have a lot of part-timers that would like to work a little bit more and it seems to me that maybe we can get some of our part-time employees are you know hourly people who might be interested because there different times it give they're different companies so they wouldn't run into the benefits uh problem that we sometimes have it seems like we could explore situations I'm good with if they want to fund it but I kind of want the funding for things that we currently have to fund I yeah I was just thinking of a bill that would not

359impact us negatively and that anyway that somebody might like anyway but we don't yeah we don't have to put that there Mr Larson special education funding can you explain a little bit more about this meeting tomorrow night I'm not sure I know what that is so um usba represents the entire state of Utah and during the region meeting this one specifically they're going to start conversations regarding legislative priorities um so basically we come together they they divide it out into different regions and then different school boards come together uh we review business they generally have like a topic for discussion we break out into small groups they do provide a lovely catered meal and um you remember now okay yeah yeah thank you yep okay perfect um who's GNA be attending tomorrow night I will

360be there I probably will be there I will be there so and then we have not talked about the board bulletin for a minute I am sure we are due for our quarterly reports need to get in a better flow with that um any items that board members are interested in including element curriculum new curriculum okay want to do that after the board has voted on it I don't think it matters when would the bulletin come out whenever you give us oh okay the enough topics to fill the bulletin we can decide the topics and then later decide the publication date and the focus is on board action as opposed to General District updates that's why I asked whether you'd want that after the board had voted on it because everyone will have it emailed

361directly to them to give input parents of students of the right age and then but we can put it out before too but then you could put it out to the broader audience we got parent feedback we heard about it twice in board meeting and we voted on this and this is why so maybe we pause on when to send it because we'll be making fee decisions as well as would would you guys like to highlight fees not really this goes who's the audience for it again is it staff or is it also parents parents stakeholders okay anyone who signed up to receive the board bulletin the bulletin board okay I'm going to say this but this might be a little risky I would love to give a report on here's what the legislature gave

362us and here's what the legislature took away AKA be prepared there might be a tax increase I think we need to just say here's where we are uh we Reed These funds from the state and we lost these These funds from the state and you need to know that we are no longer going to be charging registration fees and have to find other ways to comp to to replace that money I don't know how to word that but I just think the writing needs to be on the wall of where we're going with this don't have to raise taxes but if we don't we have to eliminate programs so so we just need to mention the board will be making decisions on how to manage the impact that's a good thing to add okay anything

363else superintendent reports just having a great time visiting schools with the foundation honoring awesome Educators that's the real Payday that is the payday high fives confetti high fives the confetti high fives yes no it's a surprise surprise three years coming now it's an expect sorry I'm surprised when they're surprised because I've done it for a few frequently surprised they're like don't do it don't do it they are yeah super fun all right I will take a motion to adjourn or not to adjourn to go into close session was just hopeful I move like I'm there I move that we go into close session to discuss character and competence of individuals property potential litigation negotiations and security second right we have a motion by Miss Wood a second by Miss burrow to go into close session

364to discuss character and competence of individuals property potential litigation negotiations and security roll call vote Miss Dean yes qu yes Dr Robinson Miss Barrow Barrow Barrow every time the later it gets I'm sorry yes I can say it right 90% of the time Mr Danford Mr denford yes Mr tanford and Mr Barnett yes I am also yes we are now enclosed thank you for attending it all e