Board of Finance Meeting 3-19-18

001[Music] okay good evening everybody today is Monday March 19th this is a special meeting of the Brookfield Board of Finance I call this meeting to order because Stan enjoyed me for the Pledge of Allegiance my allegiance to the flag of the United States of America which it stands one nation oh my god okay so thank you everyone we did have five members of the Board of Finance and you expect our last member to roll in shortly a little bit after we start we will start the evening with a public comment for any members of the public here tonight that would like to get comment okay hearing none we'll move into a new business tonight we have designated as a workshop to discuss the budget so in addition to discussing the budget all facets there up

002we also have the capital budget that we will go over and eventually come to a decision on so what we have in front of the Capitol [Music] so we can do here is we can go through each one there's not that much there and we can give our thoughts and if we feel comfortable in the moment we can certainly go around and do a quick get your neck too or if you guys would rather we can save that till the end until we have a full complement preference I think we need to consider each one individually then as a whole okay so we will go through we will make notes and then we can go ahead and make a decision so first we have [Music] the reserved for turf fields at the high school they

003asked from the department was $250,000 this was postponed by the First Selectman is there anyone that was going to give comment on that or give a different point of view okay hearing none I'm of the opinion where we leave it as it is for now but again we can come back and decide on that at the end so no changes right now tennis court replacement we the request was a reserve of five hundred fifty thousand which was postponed by the selectmen can you comment on that [Music] all right hearing nothing further the next one was the replacement of an f-550 truck for a 65 thousand and that was put into over 10-year bond financing hello okay wait the next item Torro Precor aerator the request was for 26550 that was in over 10 year bond

004financing any comments on that I know that it's close to the $25,000 threshold us wondering if the lifespan of a Toro Precourt aerator is [Music] all right here life okay the next tie into septic roof doors and the floor in the Brookfield high school building sixty-five thousand let's put into over ten year without the selectmen questions comments or concerns on that hearing none the next item aluminum leaf and chip box this was a $14,000 request this was postponed by the First Selectman and just so-so everybody knows the time it would have taken in the mental muscle to move from postpone by First Selectman to postponed by Board of Selectmen was more than I was willing to commit today so if it says postponed by select for selectmen it was obviously passed by the crew it's

005a difference the next item was sealing the cracks at the tennis courts this was a $25,000 request selectmen have it as cash any discussion on that one this is something we have to we should be doing every single year to maintain these it's any other more tennis court replacement or do this until we replace the tennis courts we wouldn't do this yeah all right next item center school playground drainage and mulch that was a $15,000 request for maintenance and that was postponed by the selectmen recess time the kids get which are effects learning and and in $15,000 less I think it's something we should consider comments on that I do agree with that so for the sake of discussion Ricky why don't we the ones that we want to add and you missed our initial

006agreement we're gonna go through and we're gonna go through each of these and give our thoughts we're not going to make any decisions or move on anything until we have whatever color you want I would highlight it and then make the movement you know you can also do Ricky copy that tab so you have something fresh and then leave the copy as is and just work on the capital funding one yeah every change the car in town okay material dim roofs and trust replacement that was the next one that was 15,000 and that was postponed we do have a comment Parks and Rec stated this could move a year any questions or comments on that one it was postponed by the first by the selectmen okay next one huckleberry hill elementary school upgrade playground and

007border this did have to do I believe with the with this dairy around the swing sets and that was 15,000 that was postponed by the First Selectman any questions or comments on that one I mean I think that is have indicated that usually if there's extra bulbs that gets tossed on various projects the only concern was the swing sets are starting to come loose that's something that I do feel you know Dennis did mention that things were starting to move so I would prefer we take a look at popping that one in and see where we fall out we do realize everything we put into cash goes of the operating and everything we move from yes line goes to the like the 394 line on the front expenditure page and it increases these numbers so

008if you're looking at increasing our budget by X percent we got to be I'm not disagreeing with the toys are moving but I'm saying as we go through we already put thirty thousand to the left yeah it gets up there in a hurry there may be other movements so I agree alright so let's move down to the Assessor there was a request to upgrade the Assessor system this was postponed because we have another two years before this has to be implemented so I think we should do it next year to give them a year to really be up to speed before they stop supporting the prior version any further comment on that one okay leave it as possible now we get into public works and really decide more which was eighteen-years-old they would like to

009replace this the request was for one hundred and twenty nine thousand we did have some discussion with the Public Works Department they mentioned that there's a potential salvage value to the mower that's being replaced of about ten thousand Steve was that confirmed that replacement no I think they're right about ten thousand but for the purposes of this board you want the fund the entire amount because you can't do the offset you put a revenue number into the operating budget for it but fun for the entire I think that's true of everything we're going to get trade-ins on just to keep the new town and clean is that that the debits in the credits we should in this proposal when we make a resolution to fund the entire amount because if we take ten thousand dollars

010off the price we don't know what we're going to get when we do sell the old vehicle so you could put a revenue line in right in the operating budget in these amounts that we believe we're going to get but if we let's say lower this by ten thousand dollars and we get six thousand we're gonna be off on our budget we're going to be over on budget and there's no guarantee is that what we're gonna get for these vehicles so my suggestion is leave the full price of the vehicle in here and then put in a revenue line what we think we're going to get is a sale we don't care about capital things you do from an accounting standpoint but we're not paying taxes on it so you have to change your fixed

011assets right that's a game who's that is that the proper accounting though we would put the hole and then bond to the whole thing that's mine in further counsel any any discussion for the discussion on that one next one replace a 1990 Ford truck 35 BK 4 54,000 a discussion of melon replace the street sweeper there's a lot of discussion on this one good value apparently we left it in or it's in at 225,000 over 10 year bar length this is the one where we rented it every year anyway so we decided the purchases I'm sorry jamming I'm sorry this is the one where we decided to where we rented every year anyway so it's 40 to 50 thousand to have someone come in 10 years see if you approve it it seems a no-brainer

012- you're fired the next one the factor truck tanks yeah so at 40 you have to further discussion with our public works they believe they can repair this for four to five thousand dollars and it'll last at least one year maybe more so my suggestion would be to do that that came up when Public Works actually came in to visit with the poor diffidence okay they removed adding is there a room right now in their operating budget under you think they could do that under maintenance and their operating budget right now no I don't believe so I think what we should do is just put four thousand dollars in their operating budget that repair so then this one you have postponement for the sake of argument can put that in there so we know what

013to discuss later huh if it turns out that it's not really needed or you put it in cash we'll see four thousand of cash six I don't even know yeah not not on here better be a maintenance item essentially it's a plus five operating it becomes more of a maintenance then a capital improvement so really does belong in the operating budget might be next item of mini-excavator this one was an $85,000 request this most postponement selectmen there was discussion during the presentation that we really wouldn't see the value of purchasing this equipment any further conversation on that one next one replace a year 2004 truck your class pose for twins Oh necie garage very cheap as I saw was red I'm sorry replace the a/c unit at the garage that's 30 years old this one

014was putting his cash 5000 any discussion on that one back to the next one replace the year 2004 truck this was 27,000 under under 10-year bond financing yeah I don't think that's a land use vehicle Tina says over as you stated they would be willing to drop this that was under land use under 10-year bond because I'm the fire marshal vehicle we've already decided to recycle a Police Interceptor so the third item the fire marshal vehicle comes out of land use and it stays in here in the Public Works it's kind of a wash so this is 27,000 placeholder for the under 10 year financing that's a big yep the discussion that moves the next one in place to heat pumps in town hall the request was for 12,000 we have that in as cash

015discussion there the road paving we have a portion in cash and a portion to pond and this is one of those ideas that hasn't really been formulated into a policy which which could be if we determine policies our ways of working we have eight hundred fifty thousand designated to be paid for in cash and six hundred fifty thousand dollars to be paid for in bond and we've been tipping the scale towards cash over the past couple of years is there any discussion the split that we have there what was last years ago fifty says it's 750 and for six fifty two year before I was like the idea of having it moving in that direction Olivia just as 700 maybe 700 instead of earth 50 years but are we going down a slippery slinger got

016a change in a policy that we've stayed it's a steady course and now we're gonna change the slope but I mean if the goal is to eventually and this has been followed now for the last six years pretty steadily yeah so we're we're breaking it's up for discussion don't take it wrong but we would be breaking something that we really have agreed to many board members over the past so many years have agreed to this process it's no it's been a long-standing I mean everything's up for discussion but this is something if we change it now future boards will hack into it the other way it'll go could go not would go that choice of words could go the wrong way I think it's a good policy we need to get up pay for the

017roads in cash you know Richfield is going back and forth they have paid all cash and they paid all borrowing I think if you can do it pay it in cash teacher so I said Sharon's out beyond presenting he's kept the the Public Works have kept the 1.5 steady yes and it seems to work for Anna per mile basis and you can correct me if I'm speaking out of school so that numbers mean constant because the technologies have allowed us to get more roads for a cheaper price yep so that number stayed the same so all we've been doing is taking that 1.5 and like last year was 750 750 this year is 850 cash 6:55 the prior year was 650 cash 850 bunch so it's just gone through the aggressions we have 98 miles

018of roads and we've been consistently doing between 8 to 10 a year but also getting to a point where we don't have to fully replace a road we can just micro mill it which is a lot less expensive now we do that more often than replacing whole road but when you look at it overall costs say over 30 years it's about 30 percent a little more less expensive so we can get our roads in good shape and in micro mill all of them will be in better shape 10 years for that absolutely a few spending million 1/2 dollars every year on the same thing that's operating expenses John it's not it's not there if you're constantly borrowing for it and your mortgaging for so I applaud what's been done and I think we should continue

019the discipline what I would like folks to consider is the possibility of going from 850 650 to 800 700 because we do have things that are I think a priority last last year I made that suggestion and one of the board members made a very I think convincing argument not to stray from our path that's fine I like they also have I mean we also have commitments to the firehouses right we off on them and they've been cut in half almost every time so yes we do have these things and what I said that we have policies that are more ideas or ideas that are policies because these aren't written anywhere these aren't enacted in stone I don't have their ideals that we're trying to get to but when you have mulch running away from

020our playgrounds and swing sets uprooting themselves maybe it's time to not go full-bore on something and to take it back a little bit so like I said just things to consider as we're moving to do this next thing that we have replaced the second air-conditioner at the library that was ten thousand requests it was put in for cash any discussion on that one design an engineer the windows at the library we had some this one was a $15,000 request it was postponed by the first selected we did have an email I think that was shared with the board Ralph our public works director said that in his opinion the best course would be to do the study first and then see what it comes up with and then roll into a project that way we

021had discussed previously with with our board to look into funding they study plus the construction and for a Ralph's opinion that would not be a good course of action and everyone get a chance to read that and digest it any comments on that email or anything we'd like to do with this I think it's got to be put into the discussion what I would what I would like to discuss is putting this under one of those financing buckets because when we actually do go to replace the windows it's gonna be a couple hundred thousand dollars and we could roll the cost of the study into yesterday that you tend and we find the CIP and roll it up that's something we can do without adding it to so we have that for discussion the much-debated

022canopy canopy over the fueling station the request was for 50,000 and was put into over a ten-year bonding by the selectmen any discussion on that guy replaced the windows at the town garage this one was a $30,000 request so it was postponed by the selectmen they did have some discussion I don't know if it was glad or den that brought up can we do this in a phased approach to put some in and then do it you know bits and pieces instead of postponing the whole thing I want to revive that conversation or we okay with postponing it I'm up for reviving it any ideas on how we go about those half now No I gotta get through the whole list before you can put anything cuz if we we end up with a number

023at the end of the list that doesn't make any sense somebody's points becomes you I'm just wondering if this particular need can be paired up with the library window need an actual okay no but I'm saying at the time that we are going to purchase them I'm wondering if we can have the same contractor do the windows at both buildings your question for the windows in it and garage are nowhere near as complicated would think we can actually place them without going to contract or bid or a design we're just trying to replace some basic windows so we don't have to the libraries a lot of windows you know no idea what they would cost the windows in the town garage we have a pretty good idea so if you said to us you know

024okay guys we'll give you ten thousand this year and thousand exterior ten thousand and next year you know I can live with that I'd like to do them all it would saves us a lot of heat because these are single pane windows well but then they become operating cash again yeah well it's cash whether it's capital or operating you can put it in operating you're right a lot of maintenance things like this this is really replacing things I could absolutely see them in the operating budget you know on a separate line so you know what they are you don't lose track of them from year to year don't have budgets going like this could this be another situation where if we did let's say over two years when we funded this over two years that

025you would roll this into a two year CIP you could do it that way why to use them spread the pain of the budget was just too big whoo this time around just ideas yes Johnny maybe there's a bad idea that's not a minute now about pending teaching I really I really think that that for this budget and going forward we need to the board needs to maintain discipline in support of the town paying for maintenance in current periods I think that's the most disciplined and the most responsible way to budget period so anything that's that's purely maintenance which this is should be fit into an operating cash budget and if it's got to go up it's gotta go up if you got a color stuff it's got a color stuff but borrowing we've already

026I mean we've already talked about three or four different line items and maybe we can spread out if you keep doing that and you keep eating into the pavement and you do them windows and you do this you're not gonna have that enough money to do all the big projects because you do it year after year after year after year we have to be disciplined should get operating expenses current and capital expenses spread that's mine so any any time this comes up that's gonna be my my opinion but you use the key word in their discipline mm-hmm that word discipline yep is the key word across everything and it's the key word about operating budgets and everything else it's making hard choices so when you flip that switch which I'll be on board to flip

027that switch the backside of that switch is the operating budget can go over six percent so that's it so then you got to make the choices on the back side I agree to education whether it be whatever the total budget once you get into six percent range or in a range of I hate so the key word is disciplined I'm not disagreeing I use the word on purpose you let me know how many windows there are today we please make every time I Drive by the public works I can't figure out how many windows there actually I have another kid can we bring some when the fire to Center from Center up to the table because we're asking his question but the last meeting if you'll there we need that covered but the last minute

028we're talking with with the the staff that was here and they said you were now looking at possibly double-hung windows a lot cheaper there was a some discussion that 30,000 was more than enough for not too much okay so yeah it's okay we want to replace this we have casements in there now we just want to replace it with standard windows [Music] it's but they're only 12 days that's spreading it out over a couple of years versus you know [Music] I'm with Dan and we're gonna move it but you got to move it operating and then you got to make a hard decision on operation all right all right next up replace carpet at the police station okay so before we before we go no no no cuz I'm thinking this day if we leave

029it off capital tonight right we say not capital tonight we have to decide on capital tonight right so then the discussion is we can have the discussion later in the week on whether we put it in operating or not an operating correct I mean if it doesn't make it into column G and or one of the other bonded columns then yeah it's out of right so then we have the opportunity to get costs and decide whether they want to put in the operating by the end of the world or if it's really a maintenance type item we have the opportunity to see if public works can squeeze it in there what they have now or what will be approved as early as cheaper when they didn't price out double-hung in that 30 grand maybe they

030can squeeze in a couple every now and then they have budget I think their budget is tight enough we're gonna tell you we can't fit $30,000 into our operating budget if you want to add to the operating budget whatever you decide 10,000 15,000 dude over two years and so we lessen the impact on the research that's yeah the number is we can ask them to come in and describing the greater detail but it sounds like it's not gonna make the capital the way to go so it's it for tonight it's we get bring them in and talk about and put it in any operating I mean I might be saying something wrong that's no more than likely what's gonna happen well I think as we move along to Dan's point you know we've been moving

031this up 10,000 20,000 30,000 40,000 once you move up to that point throw it into the operating budget and have the discussion there but make it a separate item so you know what it is in case you go from say no this year but we're gonna say yes next year just trying to be transparent with windows anything on the window carpet at the police station the request was for 12,500 this project was postponed to trot selectmen and commentary on this one next month miscellaneous repairs at Old Town Hall I believe our Parks and Rec Department is using the old town hall and that's a $10,000 request that was put into cash okay the next one we have replaced the exterior light at the police station was a five thousand dollar request and that was postponed

032by the selectmen none design an engineer Town Hall restrooms the request was for $10,000 and that was postponed - elections there okay nothing for those weak move on to the police police had requested three market control cars for 125,000 I have that under under a ten-year bond financing many questions on that we have computers laid open I do and it's not on these time police cars but it's on the previous three police cars and when do we address where we put that $122,000 is that part of this discussion or is that that's that I think would be a separate discussion because it's been approved question is how to finance it right that's a different discussion right now it should be under short-term financing that's what it was a window we discussed last year I know

033we discussed it last year but it's got to be funded this year out of either a capital budget or an operating budget what we need to make that decision is the reconciliation so do you suggested we put in 250 on that line I was what would it hurt us financially have to put the 250 in the short-term right now in this budget whatever and just not spend it I don't know the logistics of the accounting till the budget was 133,000 we actually spent 120 to 5 so the question becomes did we do what would the original intent was to borrow short term in looking back over our records this was this was through 2 years ago there was when we went to you the savings that we want to borrow this they said you're still

034going through your issue with a 3.3 million we want dreams of data and that is so we decided to hold off till we clean that up and we did do that so now we could go borrow the 120 to 5 right what is where Dan is saying plug it into this line-item put it in at one time get rid of the headache twice in the same thing with umber oh no no no we approved it for borrowing it's been in the capital budget that would be double dipping you could put it in the operating budget from 22 but how do you do that then that doesn't that much because I've even lost when you put in the operating budget if you don't know in case basically paying back right it's not in this funding that

035the general right you're gonna reimburse it you know when it's in another fund we was approved for borrowing we didn't borrow it but we paid cash for it and now that has to be paid back somehow but until we have that reconciliation of our bonded capital fund we don't know if that 122,000 is already there for us to move into so if we put an item in the operating budget alright guys on this one alright so what we're trying to figure out here would be the best recommendation on what to do about 120 mm okay we can't borrow twice for it right so putting it in this column to have a $247,000 item under there is not as I see it the Board of Finance of food for this purchase to be paid for with

036short term financing you'd have to do another resolution to undo that so what I suggest is we do what we said we were going to do borrow short term to pay for this over three years and what action is needed from us now it would be already be approved we'll just execute the bar room which we didn't do last year because any issues with the three point three do you satisfied then we fit back into your obsession I think we can talk about it another time that 122 that you mentioned is going to now be able to cover these three masters budget we approved 133 to be borrowed for three years to pay for three cars he paid 120 to five for the cars now what we should do is actually do the borrowing where

037those three cars okay that cleans up the squares up last year and then you just move forward any discussion on the three cars that are on the screen the next item computer software for 61,000 now this is made up of a bunch of different things it's in our binders anyone like to discuss get any more detail it's just one just one point on this we don't want to borrow for this because it'll be taxable and then we have this have two different issuances it doesn't make sense the next one one pickup truck that was requested for forty six thousand six hundred when I was reviewing this file we did have the number 27 in there is that related to anything I took it out because there's no that one was postponed by the first leg

038select any discussion on that one next item traffic radar I was in there though the crest was for 4385 and I was put into cash [Music] there was a request for 2d bikes for 11,000 this one the chief did mention that they were going to look at purchasing your knees out of the outside service fund I think that one can leave him as postponed or cut out all right now we have Candlewood fire an apparatus reserved in there the request was for a three hundred thousand the selectmen had honored a request for seventy-five thousand in cash and in post : 225,000 any discussion on this one it comes down to what we talked about the last meeting that we've got to get agreements in place to make them feel comfortable to operate their budgets they're

039planning ahead they're being proactive they put forth the request on a proactive basis and due to our cash restraints which we've talked about left and right we keep cutting it down they're trying to plan ahead for equipment that it's going to become obsolete and we don't have a safety net to catch them if they come down to the process of when they need a truck we need to have two million dollars on hand or whatever the number is so we need to address this in some kind of an agreement like we talked about or we got a funded one what are the other I think you'll be hard-pressed to get hard numbers in an agreement other than the town will put aside the funds and we'll make up the difference between what has been put

040aside in cash what the fire departments have raised in cash with long-term borrowing I'm not certain what else do we have an agreement I think well I think in the agreement would be the schedule of when the equipment needs to be replaced so when they come to us in 20 years to 2020 say is a good term and they need a fire truck in 2020 we don't know well maybe next year and then it's 2021 and then we say well maybe next year then if 2022 I'm certain that was the intent though to push off the actual purchase no I'm just saying it has to be in this agreement to structure it around because again even something like on the roads we had an agreement of the 850 750 now we're talking about what I'm

041saying is they need to know that in 2020 if their equipment is obsolete we're coming to the table in 2020 they're not going to get a a postponed I think that I think the issue with the roads though is something similar to the town to do in 1.5 million in roads right now we're getting there with some cash and with some bonding and hopefully flipping it to the cash side right right I think you can draw strong parallel to these apparatus an ambulance reserves where yeah we're putting aside money it's not as much to do it like this year but the commitment is still there to make up the difference in borrowing when the time wrecked correct I agree with you the 1.5 is a number what I'm saying has to be done at the

042year that they requested in other words we've taken the 1.5 annually and we've accepted that number annually we can't take a 20/20 need of to a million dollars in sight to them she postponed it next year and then the port changes in the next year they say postpone it again what I'm saying though is I don't think the I don't think the intent is put to postpone the purchase the intent is to fund as much as we're comfortable with in cash and make up the difference when the time comes right but that's the key word when the time comes and that has to be something that goes along with a schedule that they produce absolute Renaissance and they produce that schedule I think now it's a matter of actually putting it on paper in doing

043that because our owners could look at it and said here you have an unfunded liability that you've got to put on your books right now if you make it written you have to care whether you're right I'm not gonna write anything we're gonna go to I agree the council for this we need to do it we need to have an agreement but we have to be careful how we write it which is why we are not going to write it we're gonna ask Council to do it so we don't get ourselves back you know does anyone from the board have an objection to members of the fire companies giving additional input on these as we go along no big no Miguel speaking of like please come over to the mic at home yes assistant chef

044Angela centerfire company we're not looking for a commitment for money numbers for you guys you know in an agreement it would be the schedule for both fire companies and a time frame you know that you guys with no way in advance when our big purchase would be coming and what you guys have helped us set aside every year and what we're able to pull in in in donations we're able to basically put it together and buy the equipment we'll have a very good idea for you way ahead of time price-wise and we know when they need to be replaced pumpers need to replace every 20 years that that's industry standard and without that the ISO comes involved and we have insurance issues with your homeowners insurance and things like that which nobody wants but we

045have a pretty good handle on our apparatus replacement and and I feel more confident after the last meeting with you guys and and once we cleared up Steve you and I support what the town's commitment is to us that's I think the doable item I definitely think we need to have something the writing work together there's departments that have it around here that kind of a commitment and a process and I think that would behoove all of us and the community and that way we know you know we don't have to lay a big purchase on you you guys know you know 18 years out we got a buy a ladder truck and you know we can plan for it and and we were committed to raising all the funds we can't build fire companies

046but again the fungi Stagner we're coming to you guys for help this is uncharted territory for us in the fire company you guys have never bought a fire truck before or even helped us so this is new for us and we're we're trying to you know come up with something so we all feel confident because I can assure you in 10 years you guys are all probably not gonna be here we will and we need to have something that we can all agree upon and I think that would help us out great so you guys have any questions with that when you want to set that up please let us know I feel comfortable to numbers mr. Dunn that you put in there for the fire company for center fire company that's fine because we

047can figure it out on the back end well I think our goal is I think this board and the Board of Selectmen have always said hey we've seen your schedule it's good clean schedule we understand it fully it makes a lot of sense but I think the purpose of these reserves is to simply avoid running into that problem where we have a three million dollar hit in a year where all of a sudden other things come up when we say to you sorry guys no a truck we would help this money away every year all right so maybe we have to follow 300,000 or 400,000 it's not 2 million and we can fit it right in we wouldn't be helping you do your jobs and you know stew ours if we did do that thank

048you the questions comments concerns and the Candlewood fire apparatus reserved mom can we just put a placeholder there for now I'd like to get back yeah I mean this is all of this is all up so we haven't made any decisions the highlights are there because those are good ones that folks want to go back and talk about insulating the second attic that was a request for 11,000 and it was honored by the selectmen that's cash anything of your discussion there new command vehicle that was the request was for 85,000 that was vehicle plus all about fitting in tools as they don't have those at the moment and that was postponed by the selectmen discussion [Music] I'll use the timer's if I have to no Mon it's gonna be really sure that promise just in

049regards to that I know you guys have a lot of discussion on operating budget tonight if we could get that funded at the cost of the actual vehicle in the arrange of the fifty-five thousand in our operating budget over the years we can outfit the vehicle so if that puts it back into consideration I would appreciate it now you said fund it to your operating budget as an additional request or within your current and within our current ask over how many years the couple it would take we would downgrade their radios we got I would have to play with the numbers but I could if I could get the vehicle I could find money in the operating budget to outfit it well there was an outfitted vehicle though without everything you need in it [Music]

050Jeff you remember off the top grab [Music] well I think it's alright if you're saying that you know what needs to be in there and you know that you could fund within your current operating budget to a manner with which you're running a well-equipped vehicle for the time then I don't think we enlist anyone wants further clarification I think that's good enough Thank You vets no 55 I think we could we could change the original or quite well we could change the changing now you're there one of them are just make a note somewhere just to be clear you changing the amount of the request meant yes you can change the original replies kind of 55 [Music] next one thermal imaging camera two the request was for 16,500 and that was fully postponed by the

051selectmen any questions on that one yeah I saw that that was [Music] the new boat the request was for 250,000 and that was postponed by this first in the vial of Selectmen any discussion on this one I think we talked about that we got to have the meeting we gotta sit after this budget go through a meeting and plan it out if we're gonna do it we put it in next year's capital plan we take more than a the week to review this number and I'm not saying it's not needed it probably is needed but if we can we need it to sit down and go through all of this and have a better plan would you like to try and do something in April or May if a preference think as soon as possible

052so we have an understanding so they could better manage their donation money they could better not better manage but I mean it Nollan to have actually managed what numbers they have I think it's you know if it's that they tell us it's a need I believe it's a need I just think it came at such a late stage for a big number to understand it [Music] hi-yah when it comes to the boat if we could get the board's agreement and since it's never been used before we have for the last about five years had the towel put money aside in the apparatus or chakra service and called two different things at different times if we could use that money to help offset the cost of this boat we could use some of our savings to

053purchase the rest of this boat with the understanding that we're in an odd spot spot in our apparatus replacement schedule as you guys have in your book that we're replacing apparatus looking to replace apparatus back-to-back years so if it would be this board who eventually approves what we use out of that apparatus trees are fun that's been put over for the last five years or if it's the Board of Selectmen if we could use that with the understanding that set up the meeting that you guys are speaking about which is great and needed we could I guess the question would be since no one's ever used the apparatus reserve fund the money's been put aside in how you actually go about using this I would have to say about 150,000 put money away for the

054last two years we'd have to check on prior years because it wasn't specifically it meant that different centers on me and Steve had on balance because what I'm seeing here [Music] that would include our savings and also Plus what the town has put aside okay so all together yeah yeah but that includes next year you're planning on behind six hundred sacks where we're in an odd situation right so no matter what its gonna be left pocket right pocket the way you do the math yeah they're still gonna be on the hook the talents of them have to fill up the same money it's just yeah could we just is the boat in an absolute immediate need because we I don't feel like it's an absolutely immediate movie and if you allow the town to be

055able to plan for this over the next three years it really eases what the town can provide I'm gonna give you five seconds Becky I'm thinking was much I think yeah I think with the boat I kind of feel like maybe a lot could be felt with the library but I'd like to see what other options like that was presented had all the bells and whistles and is all that necessary I've never bought a book aside to kayaks I don't really know but I don't know you said they would be one of the best boats on the lake and you know what other options are there to get you a functioning booth that maybe doesn't do every single that's the vote that we have proposed here is a mirror image of what we currently have

056so it does not have any extra bells and whistles from what we currently have it's the cost of the vessel that is going up over the past 13 to 15 years from when we originally purchased it so we are matching what we currently have we're modifying some things but we are it's a match well you turn both the front end doesn't drop them yes it does drops down have the powerful pump to put out fires and yes it does it has boliya as powerful no but it has it has the bow gate that drops down and it has a pump on it so it's called a diverter valve you know through the jet drive so we're eliminating this diverter valve and adding a pump - yeah I realize that but I don't think this boat

057is comparable to your existing boat at all I just don't it's absolutely what I would like to see when you come to the board to the boards with things like this is show us three options tell us the advantages and disadvantages of each option and what the costs are and why you want to go with this boat there's more than one boat manufacturer out there proposed we have three bids we have three bolt manufacturers we're not set to one boat right now but we would I personally I would like to see that I'd like to see why are you proposing this boat versus that boat or the advantage of hosing specs so when you design a piece of apparatus you create specs as do stuff that you wish we wish to have these options they

058will go out to bid they're different both manufacturers and we will get back prices we'd like to see that okay well just I want a boat it's 250,000 I'd like to see the specs I'd like to see what your thinking is why you say we need this option that option this option this one else is you guys are the experts we're not so the more information you give us the better and I think you know if you came to us and said here are the options here so why we want to outfit it this way versus this way I think the boards would get a much better feeling that yeah you know what this is the right book this is what we need for book people I'm just saying it would be are you asking

059us I mean this goes down to only coming back with a firetruck are you gonna be questioning the same items alright as to why we have certain things on our piece of apparatus yeah I'm curious get nuts to pay for it yeah that's reasonable you know when when Public Works comes to me and says I need an f-550 essay why do you need an F 550 versus a 350 or 150 and they say well we're doing this we have a heavy-duty plow going on it but they give me all the reasons that they need that and I say okay that makes sense you know last year with Parks and Rec we talked about a pickup truck and after the discussion they went from the 350 to a 150 because we realized maybe we don't need

060the extra heavy-duty 350 there are trade offs and you have those discussions and it's not us telling you what to do it's having the conversation so we fully understand your needs and how best to meet those needs I think that's reasonable first I was just you spending two or three million dollars first I would just like to put in a record that this boat is comparable to the current boat we have just to make that very clear it is a different pump design because the pump does not work on candle and Lake I'm not disagreeing with you Ryan I'm just saying you haven't shown that to me you just come to me and said I want a boat and at the last meeting you did describe it what I'd like is more information just like

061I get from all my other departments you know they tell me if they want to buy a piece of equipment why do you need this piece of equipment versus this piece of equipment why do you need an excavator that has a three yard capacity versus a 2 yard capacity and you couldn't you just go through the conversation so you get the board's comfortable that you've done your research you've done your work and you want to come to us and say this is what I mean and this is why I need it I think that's reasonable and we are willing to work with the board on it I was just stating that I put it in I'm sure we did give a description of it I didn't fight the Board of Finance I had a very

062nice meeting with two board finance members about the boat I unfortunately no one else is able intent I understand schedules this was in the budget last year it was in our plan for a price replacement which was submitted with our budget last year so it is not a brand-new item and we have had discussions on can we swap it around they have back-to-back Capitol years the truck in a boat can we put the boat in two this year buy it at the end of this year in this budget buy it at the end because it'll be the beginning and then the boat will be left open for discussion for next year's capital they got back-to-back capitals they're gonna come to us next year and ask us for a truck they're asking for a boat this

063year a truck next year by the time we put in the capital and we actually buy the truck at the end of the fiscal year next year it might as well be forward looking into that next budget if if they don't buy it till June of 2019 or they buy a July of 2019 it's a different budget year could we consider funding the truck now in this capital that gives them a full 12 months to get us the boat information that we need and only delays the boat 12 months so you're talking about putting I'm talking about famous back-to-back Apple right now they have back-to-back needs as what was just said they have a general by truck next year they want to bike get a boat for their needs this year a truck for their

064needs next check if we approve the truck right now which again is a need probably to a schedule can that then allow us to take the time in this next year to get the boat situation under control because next year what's gonna happen if they bring us the boat in the truck you're looking at a number that would probably won't pass both of those are gonna be bonded though yeah but things got a point you know you really think about it we're not saying no the boat we're saying we don't understand the boat right now that's the key to this whole thing and what Steve said the three quotes we don't have the quotes what I'm saying is can we have an understanding of what the truck cost can we prove that in this year's

065we got to buy the truck I mean ten years before they can get better scheduling for the apparatus reserve so that they don't have to borrow as much in the future I mean it sucks that we have to kind of take the Hitman ship for these next two years but I mean I'm willing to help them with rescheduling this so that what gets funded in their apparatus reserve makes it said I wouldn't have to leave behind going forward that's an apparatus reserve and if it's there with the pound money if it's there with their money and have it on this schedule then would be rather irrelevant because if they have let's say for the sake of argument that we haven't validated this so I'm saying for the sake of argument if they have five hundred

066thousand dollars all in between town and their own funds I then this doesn't have to be on this schedule and it could be an appropriation that goes through Board of Selectmen go to Finance because that money is in the general fund already and it's set aside in this reserve so it makes this discussion then irrelevant it can stay off of this schedule you can still put the money into the apparatus reserve and the request could come from you to you to us I need you to speak just stretch that out into something that's a little less this is fun that's fun okay so the money's not in the general fund otherwise you'd have surpluses in your general fund from year two years money's been already moved down into the capital non-recurring or the equipment reserve

067funds what is your point then can we then do an appropriation or no can this happen you don't have to authority it's already been appropriated it's already been passed in previous budget romantics here what could happen and said the fire could company could come to us and say hey we want to purchase this the Board of Selectmen would make an appropriation for it to the warden and supportive finance which considering we'd have to prove it first and then you would prove it and then we would make the expansion so this then becomes relevant if your priority really is this boat net break now Frank if this is your priority and you're telling me that through prior budgets this money hasn't set aside and it's in this fund we can strike this and it becomes irrelevant

068it's not all the way to Arizona shop am I missing something there's like 150 there we're putting 75 in doubt it's two and a quarter you see me have 500 total okay Ryan is saying that they have in their pocket though other funds and if this is a priority I'm saying you could take what's been put aside and try our budgets and the apparatus Reserve that Kimberly just mentioned supplemented with what they have and their coffers and this becomes irrelevant and if there really is a priority and they can use it for that seventy-five thousand if we choose to leave it there could stay there and be put aside into that a dradis reserve fund right so you said for that truck so by doing that two things one you're basically committing to when Ryan

069comes to Steve and Steve comes to us we all say yes number one number two we're taking that money I'm just going to taking that money from the ten 20 30 years that was gonna be applied to and using it for this one space that we're basically pre approving the use of that money for this purpose in this year by which might not be the worsening world what we're doing we're bypassing the meeting which is gonna lay it all out to solve this immediate problem no I don't worry about enhancement they have to put their presentation together it can either be a joint meeting between the Board of Finance and the Board of Selectmen or they do it twice over if it makes it through the Board of Selectmen it gets to the board of

070fine if nothing this is just just just a plan or a theory right now if that doesn't go into column G H I or J then it's out of our discussion let's say for tonight and then it's a discussion for another time either way nothing I wouldn't say that it's pre-approved the conversation is the same regardless of whether we do it tonight or you do it a month from now or two months from now I agree with that I can go along with that process I think that we need to have the meeting still we need to understand and then we need to understand their priorities along the way and we need to agree to priorities because if they spend the 250 on the boat now which I'm saying it's their decision it's their core

071knowledge right that leaves 250 less to fund the fire truck in the back to back gear and it just leads to less apparatus fund I know we combined and I understand on that but I think the meeting is that important that we really understand the full band they commit to their priorities fully commit which they are I mean just to rethink this process and then we put forth the plan and then you raise their money I mean to spend on their needs it's far be it from us to tell them what they're new it just to save people to ask for approval know it's still got to go through the process I get that but far be it from us to really tell them how to save the people of work field that's I can't

072make that decision and Shawn to that point I will agree with if from what I got out of it was we would have get approval to spend it out of the apparatus reserve to purchasable along with loan money during that meeting I could then probably push the apparatus the truck purchase baffi year if that gives the town more time to help save a little bit Martha meeting this all becomes again work willing to work with you guys to make your needs and being able to fund you properly and this is all part of the meeting we're discussing we need to sit down and spend more than 10 minutes or 20 minutes that it had a budget meeting and understand to make commitments and I think we're committed to sit down to the meeting we're committed

073to from what Shawn and Dan are saying and maybe I'll speed up everybody's if you have money in this fund we're committed to hearing then you can spend the money in this fund on the boat if you feel it's really necessary to go through the processes through the Board of Selectmen I don't know what the process is but I would assume through the board selectmen all of us we just want to have the meeting so we understand everything totally I mean and I think Andy said it perfectly every year he comes he speaks to six new faces every year he comes a different this board is gonna be here for quite a few years I mean a lot of us have for your seats most of us are here for four years season if we

074can get an understanding at a meeting that gives you four years of the same people right I mean so I think the meetings important so I got a lot of what Shawn says is totally does anybody else have questions before I go back to my seat then you have to believe 24 it's an $11,000 that we purchased that with the town money last year last year Andy and Ryan just so you can reconcile the amounts that are on hand work so we have these discussions maybe an April or May yeah for these specific things we know 100% what each parties coming to the table with I don't want to see bank statements I'll take your word for it when you guys reconcile but but you have donations come together and we know exactly what's on

075hand were talking about a lot centerfire actually out though before we get too much into the center fire I think the same logic it will apply right they have money in their apparatus fun right so if we done some of their needs we might want to do the same thing we have a pretty solid apparatus play we know when we have expenses coming up this year we are refurbishing our ladder truck which is 17 years old another 17 years out of it so it'll be going out to get refurbished how we get in the fall so we have a plan for that [Music] the big thing with the apparatus replacement plan is it's an evolving item it's gotta be looked at every year with you guys and we need to have a meeting with you

076guys probably in the summer when you guys are done you know with your busy season and sit down with both between old fire companies the ambulances and the backup so because over 20 years things are gonna change I mean are we have reduced our fleet over the years we've streamlined things we've added different apparatus just because the town's demands change so that's something every year that we need to update with you guys but on record and it would give you a better idea of how to plan for these things thank you free you one just hang out there that's where I'm staying okay we have apparatus reserved the request was four hundred twenty six thousand two hundred sixty dollars the selectmen put it in seventy five thousand in the cash reserve and deferred the remainder

077and we are okay with that I need a certain circuit the conditions that we are discuss any okay then an ambulance reserved the request was for sixty nine thousand four hundred fifty eight and that was put into cash by the selectmen any questions or comments on this okay next one the Lucas CPR device winners by the cash the reserves we bind there before years Lucas CPR device 16500 this was deferred by her postponed by the selectmen this would this year for our notes would round out the fourth year of a four-year commitment any questions or comments on this one you know it was my understanding though when we have meaning that if we funded the 51,000 for the apparatus reserve and we funded 16,000 for that they were willing to postpone another item I thought

078I had come here no we have that later on we once Steve discussed what the plan was and we haven't let me get down okay so you're good yeah we have something yeah we go down I would like to Lucas device a fee it seems like I mean there's no no doubt about it if that is there's one piece of equipment that's on here that's gonna save somebody's life they could save anybody your family's like what's that it's something to think about would we like to flag that for all right we have an incident command vehicle in a 55 thousand this was postponed if if you look at the $75,000 we have for the heating control system we sent you guys an email we would rather see the incident command vehicle and the generator restored

079and we can eliminate the $75,000 and postpone it for next year we were looking at some alternatives it was very difficult to get people to come to bid the job and we only had really one company come out and gave us a figure and we're working with Mark Mulvaney at this point a few other people to try to get that number it down it was a basically just a placeholder for us because we needed to do the system but you know we only got one room but you really feel comfortable with that and when we got the discussion with you guys that was you know gonna be kind of how we handled that we're okay with eliminating at and I want to look look into next year getting more accurate and better and a scaled

080down on the company that came in it was high-end and it was difficult to get people to come in and look at the at the building so we're working on it once we got ahold of mark he's been pretty good about he's working with lumen in this so we would like our preference the fire companies would be to eliminate that and get the into the community ACO and a generator which was inadvertently left off and pushed off those two items are crucial sauce it's gonna snow again on Wednesday four-wheel drive vehicles we need them it's it's it's a crucial thing for us operationally but Andy you had said that if we fully fund the apparatus reserve the fire company ability to take up the incident command correct because you gave us that fifty one thousand

081we would we would take them you taking a sick man vehicle so it's one way or the other you know what we need to see we need we need to buy the vehicle so so the question is cash or bond it'll last election year shakyck no but if we just pay if we bond just the incident command vehicle postponed - no I think what did you say in the cell they'll buy the vehicle if we fully fund the this year's request apparatus reserve these morning tomorrow and just till I spread out I paused and I'd rather put the cash into reserve and let them take care of the truck incident command their culture that's your guys Jeff however it happens I just know that we need to make it happen we pushed it off from

082last year and this year you just needs to happen we've had too many incidents and things are going on and it's a neat it's not a while and I just could say hey I'll go along but every time and I don't know the answer but every time we moved fifty thousand over to the left side of the for spreadsheet you gotta take something off on the back side of the operating because we're gonna be someone somewhere something's got to give at some point now because if you're saying from the reserve of the fifty one thousand that becomes an operating cash right that's the left side ten years frontline service and then after ten years it'll go into a wind-up are on it yeah a reserve so leave the reserve at seventy-five and yeah that's the

083either way this is this this is this is the appropriate thing to the power forth as opposed to some other stuff there right yeah it'll be ten years out of its my short yeah yeah yeah smoking generally for us smaller vehicles like this we attend years out of large fire apparatus pumpers we get twenty years out of other things that are big ticket items we send them out to get kind of refurbished we try to get thirty years out you know we understand the whole deal I'm gonna destroyed so I'll ask the question then how do we determine which command vehicle is more important the center fire or the Kenda with fire departments did your poultry do I am a suggester both they're both essential items they really are during the snow standard bad weather

084with which we have frequent events these things are used all our our Chiefs cars use every day are coming vehicles use every day mom it's it's an essential piece of equipment I mean it station money on we weren't there and big apparatus especially in bad weather when we run the risk of really having some damage done to our trucks I mean if we bang up a fire truck 50 60 80 100 thousand dollars of damage isn't out of the question and then this a more maneuverable vehicle prints out from happening and also as far as running incidents out of we're mandated to do a lot of things in this vehicle kinda helps us do that so they're both essential far as I'm concerned I mean I'm not gonna speak for them but I I know

085we do the same thing with your command vehicle can we buy the base and you cover the equipment we are operated we are already ER that's why can't I went down see that's the base and and that's that's a not a Cadillac man he means it's a stripped piece of utility equipment that we use we have the one now that's 11 12 years old okay so the one the new command vehicle for handle it is a replacement or is it in addition to because it says the note that we have is that we only have one vehicle that's capable you're gonna have to talk to them about that - because for them the one we got was on a grant years ago and it's just this time [Music] all right highlight it for discussion the

086next one gasps tonight meet a replacement left leg roll 57 yep the gas meter I guess detector meter replacement and that was a 12,000 request in cash for 12 [Music] we use these every day and they have exceeded their life we have this protects our firemen we gotta replace it protects you know we go into people's homes or see largets the generator I think this one was renamed and I think we I didn't catch the gravy bathroom remodel well we preemptively put it into over 10 years but that decision you'll get 30 years at it at least again it's we got 33 out of the way it's it's something that's just um the HVAC you stated that this can wait you have any 5,000 it was postponed by that's later okay and the brick reseal

087the replacement $23,000 request as well but it's that's a bottom request that's that's a I want not a need I mean it we do need to take care of its ability it's a town building pretty much we paid for it but comes back to the town [Music] just tell me 20 gone about five feet yeah it's something's probably gonna gonna be 10 years right well let's say every 10 years or so it is some it is something we could wait a year on I mean it's not a vital ya know gonna be like a one-time things at one time yeah and like I said it's not a piece of equipment to me emergency equipment life-saving equipment those are needs and vital things for us yeah apparatus things like that the other things you know as

088we get them you know we have to push them off this if you're considering Windows as maintenance how do you not consider [Music] peanut capital I don't [Music] okay any further discussion on that one thank you sir unless you want to speak on behalf of the library so we have public library computer replacement the request was for 12 five selectmen put it through 8500 cash and postponed four thousand any discussion on this when we do get to it I would like to consider funding I know we're adding to the left but I would like to consider funding the whole twelve five [Music] next one ad a compliant bathroom the request was 23:5 selectmen put it through as under 10-year financing any comments there you could make it long-term financing bathrooms last a long time the

089ones in town life this needs to be done though if we put this off year after year after year and we're really disadvantaging some of our residents or using that downstairs gotta be done I think we need to do it because we're gonna now we're not getting a new library we're gonna need to bathroom down there anyway to be clear there are a couple bathrooms there there are there's an 88 compliance okay to design public education first up at the high school we have a generator and a transfer switch the generator is 350,000 the transfer switch is fifty thousand Steve you had mentioned in an email that there was a quote for three hundred seventy thousand was that all energist for the generator generating and transfers three hundred seventy one thousand five hundred from one

090proposal so I think we can move this to 375 in case there are small pieces or little things that need to be done and then I do think this needs to be done it is this is our emergency does it doesn't matter how I bucket eyes in this I'm sorry it's a long-term purchase should last twenty thirty years again it would be propane it just need to do it Tuesday we cannot leave it in a striking 25 from there what's it gonna save us straight on 25 you don't need it we don't borrow it right that's exactly right no need you got a quote for 374 without any incidentals there are certain items that we might want to switch over might only be authorized but unissued so we could leave it yeah it's an authorized

091up to spend right so and be done on it up to spend yeah any further discussion on that renovate the boys locker room 50,000 that was put into over 10 years financing questions our discussion on that one get it done construct outdoor restrooms foodservice and storage that request was for a hundred thousand and that was postponed by the select and we do have in the audience Colette's term chairperson of the Board of Education should anyone have any clarifying questions I'm putting Collette on the spot any any discussion on that item I was a for priority on the list then we get into the public education district live replace the choral risers Colette did send to me and I distributed to the board members pictures of the risers sagging without any students on them keep that

092in mind for our discussions that's 15,000 it was postponed by the selectmen discussion I know I said it before I'll say it again that I would consider putting this back in I think of all the small ones that were messing around with this one is from what I understand the risers are used district-wide they're used for internal and external purposes and they're dangerous this support damn too early so let's let's move this one over in marketing to speak at the time and attendance system that request was for 60,000 and it was played under 10-year financing by the Board of Selectmen in the additional discussion on that one this is just software that's hardware and software [Music] Tecton design contingency that's in for 300,000 the request was for 300,000 it's over 10-year bond financing I believe

093the assumption here is that this study will roll into any project that goes into place should it be approved after presented so this one was rolling to that bond capital questions comments concerns nothing she can move on from that thanks Colette to and we have our technology normal computer replacements the request was for 6400 the selectmen put 5,000 in cash and postponed the remainder any discussion on this one I would like to consider putting in that 1,400 in cash it's rather de minimis in the grand scheme I'd like to consider that in our later deliberation network upgrades 13,000 internet cash any further discussion on our okay software licenses 20100 the most - yeah I did have a question that one when presented she said that it was partially based on the Microsoft Office will be

094supported but actually it's supported until October 18th of 2020 so it doesn't seem like it's an immediate need if we're looking for things to postpone that might be one that we can the way she explained it to me is that our licenses is expired I'm not sure what other company's agreements are on the Microsoft website page they know Microsoft Office 2010 is off is supported until one version of it is already extended as it's like but it's not just licenses for that that's why is this Israel more than sorry not the elbow sorry that was $20,000 included the cybersecurity but most of bulk of that was [Music] since its cash it can wait till next week do we get a better answer right so essentially yes so it can leave it as cash and we

095leave it as cash with an asterisk so to make sure of what Eileen saying is correct or not correct your spent a part of both actually we have until - you can spend when I say next week Wednesday night we should be able to get this information by Wednesday yeah yeah I'm hoping we get it tomorrow right [Music] primer fee is only for the sole purpose of no we don't have a generator and to put a generator in because we have four different million boxes the power comes into the building it would be most people ground a laptop you're gonna be able to most people have desktops we do have some laptops that people take when I come like here but virtually everyone's on the desktop printers and at 2,500 2,000 cash 500 [Music] Landy's

096replaced the year 2012 [Music] and if it's if it's approved at all yep okay so let's yep well I like that one consider moving Melanie cash what was the reason it was only twelve thousand because we're gonna use the fire marshal truck working itself to the fire department they read to buy it for twenty five thousand and the cost of the vehicles thirty seven thousand so we have an offset I mean I don't think you should be bonded but again should that be short-term finance well it's right gross stuff yeah that's true that's true they make accounting Michael that's true so 3:37 well for twelve thousand he put it under cash anyway according to our unwritten policy right yep which would make a point that I was arguing before irrelevant I think so where are

097we putting it 10-year financing 37 well no it would you can decide the short term or long term short term on a boat would be a short term this is a vehicle yeah 37 senior anything and where you can find it before we said that we didn't account for the whole you know purchase of the equipment here but that look but this is within the town's out ransom yeah because we were talking about selling the tractor I think you should be you should be consistent in the way you Truvy's you should still recognize we can't take a short term note to ourselves [Music] I thought we were but I thought we were getting a car we're getting twenty five thousand that would come in on the revenue side would be an offset and then we

098could just borrow 12 pounds say lit a fire Moshe stuck to the fire department [Music] who's on first land used to selling it to the fire department no I am but there but everything that if a fire marshal doesn't want the fire marshal Chuck our you know our existing fire marshal that truck was set up specifically for the prior four marshal because he was also the chief of the fire department and our fire marshal does not need an f-350 truck with the side boxes and everything it's just he can get around much easier in a smaller SUV more economical better mileage I want to know what the proper accounting is here this isn't this is internal business I think you want the gross expenditure you want to put 37 [Music] that's probably probably but let's

099reverse that accounting event so then it becomes a revenue on the other side 425 425 thousand because unbudgeted revenue you're not gonna put it in your budget [Music] it'll be a transferring into the general fund at the end of the year but is it gonna be like an account like that insurance account that we put the 470 out of and no is it gonna be people where is it it's gonna go if it'll be in the other fund and it'll be transferring to the general fund roll-up so it can't be touched during the course of the year now you can only go to the job no because it's unbudgeted money it's an unbuttered revenue source even if we're budgeting for it there's no certainty in what you're going to get [Music] into town so the

100money it's been in the co-main then it can't be touched by anybody for the course of the year and at the end of the year it goes directly to the general fund exam it only Park so we can't take that twenty five thousand and utilize it for something else along the course of a year not without approval of the Board of Selectmen or the four different names depending on the amount of money right but so that it can be used it's not an untouchable no I actually think it couldn't be used because the Board of Selectmen can only transfer money between line items within a department and this doesn't have more than one liner we can't spend them without the Board of Selectmen making the appropriation requests therefore demands that's my opinion we can't spend

101it if we go to the revenue tab we put in revenue anticipation it can't do it why not then it's budgeted well make it that nice but you're taking grants though what you're gonna get in this case we know what this is internal yeah we know we're getting twenty five thousand right why can't we just put it on that revenue tab that miss lane is that other miscellaneous or transferring yeah so put the phones down in there I agree with that that's what we're talking about right now Ricky insert a line please between those two I will put all the vehicles and budgeted revenue source unbudgeted revenue source [Music] this one I view as this one we know there's no written sales gonna happen but the other one I think Jim was even shaky I

102wouldn't call it that I have to because I have to stay consistent with the uniform chart of accounts and there's not going to be an account called vehicle transferring so I gave you two options that conform to the uniform chart of accounts you can pick one or the other we can't just make up again and make a note to the right you could put it put it in miscellaneous and then I'll create the proper account and move it over so this is this is making it transparent our bonding or our capital schedule is proper this way things going the only lost in the sauce just away energy answer from the down to the beach just so I understand who is buying the vehicle see the fire department who was buying the vehicle is buying the

103vehicle from the town their separate legal entity okay okay [Music] like maybe that thing I'm gonna change all those numbers okay thanks okay help department vehicle to replace the one from the 2011 17 year old vehicle the ask was 26,000 that's under 10-year bond financing I think discussion on that one did you need to go into short-term financing also you could or vein consistent with the placement of our vehicles however I think it's not exactly relevant because the intent of our deliberations does not have to be have to be consistent with what the treasurer and the first selectmen actually do okay so this is I think this is one of those days where we discuss a policy that vehicles are under short-term financing and we know it so these things actually happen under short-term note

104financing but for the purpose of the idea whatever do anything in short term under 10 or over 10 gets lumped into the same pot in that resolution essentially [Music] we can talk about that I guess all right fire marshal vehicle 26,000 request that was postponed by the selectmen so is ecstatic what is he driving it for taking the hill a nice view he's not driving the pickup truck at all he's driving an old beat-up piece of junk any borrows cars okay so he has some police car yeah he's got on him we have a police car that we're transferring okay I didn't credit we have building design next 22,500 that request was postponed I believe the first selectmen just wanted to get it on our radar for now any discussion on that the Assessor the

105office Assessor office revaluation that was for 67,500 that's in cash is there any any discussion on this one every five years we have to do a full Reve a Louisville the properties in town this is what we estimated another four years it's gonna cost like the fire apparatus any discussion on that one okay all right and our prelims are good now I'll go back up to the top and start making some discussions and decisions I take too much yes and we will take a five-minute intermission five-minute intermission starting now [Music] and we're back okay after the intermission we are ready to go through the capital budget line-by-line if there are discussions we will have them if there is a desire to move any line items around we'll take a quick a quick show of hands

106the majority will rule on that as per usual and Riki we should note somewhere on there what the quick votes are on these things just so we have them votes yeah all right so I'm gonna go through these if there are any if anyone wants to make a comment - to discuss a change please let me know if I don't stop on it or I'm moving too fast okay the reserved for the turf fields postponed the tennis court replacement postponed the replace the f50 truck 65,000 over 10-year bond financing the Toro Precor aerator [Music] 26550 ten-year bond financing tie-in to the septic system over a 10-year financing 65,000 the aluminum leaf and chip box 14,000 postponed twenty-five thousand for Brookfield high school crack seal on the tennis courts 25,000 cash the center school playground drainage

107and mulch this one we can have a discussion on it was postponed there was a comment to move it into cash for fifteen thousand any discussion on that further okay all those in favor of moving it to cash or 15,000 indicate raise your hand okay three zero it's not 3-0 I'm sorry against oh it's that true vote it's right right it's a it's a yes or nothing so I see three $15,000 items for school-related it's good to hear and the risers I'm prioritizing them rise as a first and I don't think to do all of them the mulch is a good thing I'm reading a note that says it's not a hazard more of a quality I know that recess is an important thing how much does it impact it was didn't seem as critical

108in the discussion we had last week so that's why I'm good okay so we have three three okay so this please move that one back to postpone and indicate three for cleaning [Music] three four this is the time where he's opinion on the matters count [Music] next hun beti Rio bin roof and trust replacement 15,000 postponed the huckleberry hill upgrade playground and border 15,000 we had this one marked for discussion I was moving or the discussion is to it from postponed to cash any discussion okay all those in favor of moving it into cash 15,000 raise your hand I did the huckleberry hill upgrade playground board yeah 15,000 into cash those in favor raise your hand okay no no I'm on three I'm on 33 okay opposed okay that's three so this one sir okay

109so that one again sails three four okay next one upgrade the Assessor system the postponed 20,000 okay Public Works roadside more 129,000 over 10-year financing the replace the Ford 1990 35 BK truck for 54,000 under 10 years financing [Music] replace the street sweeper 225,000 over 10-year financing any discussion there [Music] replacing the vector truck tanks it was in over 10-year financing the discussion was to postpone it as this will be an item that can be repaired for at least a year for $5,000 interoperating minions all those in favor of postponing it show of hands okay the pass is sick so we will postpone that one [Music] I mean the excavator 85,000 that one was marked as postpone okay replace the AC unit at the at the garage those thirty years old five thousand cash any

110discussion on that replace the year 2004 truck for twenty seven thousand under ten-year bond financing any discussion on that one [Music] replace the two heat pumps in town hall twelve thousand cash paved the roads eight hundred fifty thousand cash 650,000 bonds for a total of 1.5 [Music] but there are us to consider tipping at 800 700 did you read this question yeah thank you I proposed that we move from well no actually I'll take that discussion away that was really hinging on actually serving the needs of the the schools from parks and recs as noted above and since the board moved to not do that and my comments on this one are irrelevant [Music] take the back to entertain trucks out that was Mike [Music] money to the right potentially [Music] okay designing a new

111your videos at that library so all those maybe ever [Music] yeah [Music] here you know we'll leave that one place carpet at the weigh station there's a little kind of all-cash design and Indonesia news control of our although all right [Music] Hudiburg 16 when I was with $157 that's cash primary right after that was borrowing the business alone try $3 before that I was going to define the cash g'bye oh I don't think they really go on its okay you really don't wanna know [Music] and so the one that can know [Music] and talk about our money and look like the other player everybody should be able to make better decision they make it all right we have okay good then eight right man I don't have that whole amount okay no no Lucas CVD

112our device the request was 16 I was murdered this one and I know I look like throw it out there in cash okay all those failure or sick he's got how's my 500 cash okay I'm staying there uh okay the community 12,000 singing cat funding occasionally postponed is there any visiting any from reading - okay no we are two years okay all those in favor of moving any from [Music] all right okay 40 million figure out why or money but I think I give you a man-eating scenario you want to give you the four thousand anything Wow so some it is the other one that I see in the four words I see like the risers in accordance this I see there is a need in my very reduces to that happens but I think

113I have to be you can use : you don't know column G [Music] so the first nine ninety five visits out hours our F and then seven is Harbor colluded well I think if we made our choices and we want to give you the library I think you got it be a lot of that exercise those may be mad anymore all right okay boys in discussion okay that's over ten year financing we have construct outdoor restrooms food service and storage that was $100,000 that's been postponed coral risers 15,000 that was postponed I believe it's been mentioned that we'd like to add those two cash any further discussion okay all those in favor 15,000 from postponed to cash and Kate was saying aye aye okay opposed okay carries 5-1 the time and attendance system $60,000 request

114that's in under tenure under under ten-year financing any discussion on that okay the tech time design contingency 300,000 that's in over a 10-year financing discussion technology normal computer replacement we have here the request with sixty four hundred five thousand cash fourteen hundred postponed I would like to initiate the session to move that fourteen hundred back to cash to complete the normal computer replacement any discussion on that okay um the only discussion on states you know like my computer is an i3 processor go so slow but I can live with it for another year I don't need it you know I can live with it like I think we can talk to Tommy it's not gonna be fun but we can live with it we've got a very good point but I think we can replace

115our computers at a little slower rate every year yeah if we absolutely need to you know somebody could we get a laptop and plug it into a little monitor and the keyboard so I think we're we're not gonna affect our operations by slowing this down a little bit that's not as kind of money but we gotta watch every penny here any further discussion okay all those in favor of moving 1400 back to cash hi okay five upgrade Network that's in there thirteen thousand as cash discussion okay software licenses 20100 in US cash any discussion on that one safest thing to do we need to leave it as Kansas ended okay right so no we need to find out because again it goes down to an expense line I the thing again so if we can

116if it's fifteen thousand we can use that six thousand elsewhere take it out I mean that's far they give it take so we should know the number - but there's right by Thursday tonight's your resolution tonight will only comfort a capital I agree I'm saying for me prepare for tomorrow disapprobation even have a need that we want to have this at what I'm trying to say is this information you want to have tomorrow for tomorrow's discussion so we can make that decision tomorrow night because I don't want to wait till Thursday and then have this number consensus is leave it where it lies now yes printers 2500 requested cash two thousand postponed five hundred this one I'd like to discuss moving the 500 back to cash I think it's a penny cut the bottom line

117is I think that it's 2200 they gotta fight 400 bucks on their operating budget Jews are apparently already as tight and lean as possible with no room so I understand your position there's always a little I say we we've got printer and friends with that we continue to use for another year 500 back to cash ok by saying aye aye okay two four yeah okay land use the land used vehicle from 2012 they updated yes the updated request for the eight for accounting purposes 37,000 short-term financing I suppose suppose the discussion would be around moving it from ten year under ten years of short-term financing just for consistency sake so all those in favor doubling the amount from under ten year financing to short-term financing the leading the amount engrossed up for accounting purposes and

118came up with an offset to revenue for the twenty five thousand they gave us a night I carry six Oh long way to go no I mean for that thousand all right help department vehicle replace the 2001 vehicle BK 69 26,000 we have that under 10-year bond financing a discussion on Alan fire marshal vehicle request was for 26 this one was postponed discussion ok the building design 22,500 was the request this was postponed discussion okay the reserved for the accessory office revaluation 67,500 this was put into cash reserves any discussion Steve that's the amount that you have to put aside every year to plan for the five-year same as fire apparatus anything other game it's about four hundred and somebody find a four hundred and something so I'm a thousand dollar bill on your way

119as we get to that year we pick up all yeah the last year was actually the rebound year and that was for the system who keep upgrading [Music] that as they say in France is that is there anything anyone wanted to go back and read in it before so we 70 can you do just a delta there acuteness can you string that on a long pole okay so the additions to the additions to cash financing within the coral risers right let's see and then Ricky can you do you mind just making sure that that all checks out so do cash short term and 10-year [Music] just make sure we check out before so you make sure we have everything captured is you code you can go to the go to the capital funding tab the

120great one then there should be fairly many for check formulas in there off to the right see this f2 so you can see that sir there's a copy it and pop it over vision either that was good to make sure we're complete that's all Junior all right so that formula v Lashon 40,000 it's in a little the way that the check formula works it didn't take that one yeah him truck really have a trauma thanks the way that check works if it was a problem it would be over 40,000 anemone everything accounted for okay so we're good I think so we should have it all town for good f2 that again please before teeth out yep so if you string it all plus the 40 okay oh yeah yeah yeah a hat solid okay so

121we any further discussion on the capital items so if you don't mind some up please the short term note financing the under ten year and the over ten year online ninety-five more comfortable done with that one hundred thousand an issuance costs yes we're ready to make the magic happen all right all right I make a motion that the town appropriate two million four hundred seventy eight thousand fifty dollars to fund the costs of capital projects and issue its general obligations or bonds or obligation bonds or notes and temporary notes in an amount not to exceed two million four hundred seventy eight thousand eight dollars as agreed by the Board of Finance see the attached lists of projects plus debt issuance expenses in the event bond council requires modification to this motion we delegate approval authority

122to board of finance chairman second and discussion all right the the debt issuance costs which we will note here on this spreadsheet are approximately $100,000 that could move give or take a little bit so that's what we had in there if we require modifications in motion this is 2 4 7 8 include 200 no I think your motion shouldn't commander I'm not sure it did last you say not to exceed I'll be the last year if it's gonna be part of your long-term borrowing you have to approve it right do you recall last year did we approve the issuance cost and that's your defense a defense abadan if we're going to slowly to say add a hundred thousand so you're saying to buy the issue to five seven eight and that works in the resolution

123level is that what's in the resolution that that the talent well I think our bond Council is gonna say to us you approved two four seven eight and one hundred is gonna have to come from somewhere else because you authorized a specific amount and any changes right but you might you might at this age not as I said I think you're right Shawn we did that and then you were able to make the change the Board Chairman was able to make the change they add the financing cost what you add it now so what you have a firm number yeah so if you want to do this you say this is what we're doing and the Board Chairman is authorized to add up to one hundred thousand dollars if needed to the total Anansie I

124think we should the hundred thousand estimate yeah it's an estimate that's an S all these are estimates but I think we should note on this sheet though because this is going to be posted in a clean form obviously you should know down here finance and costs estimated at a hundred thousand to be confirmed by the bond Council and we're gonna leave it out of the amount we're gonna keep the motion on the board keep the motion on the board and on it up to the board of finance chairman to be able to appropriate the other thousand dollars not necessarily to appropriate it but to offer food to amend the motion for bond Council two to five I'm good with that that doesn't but we should make a note in here on that as well and

125that so next year you'll have to say discuss why and yeah yeah so that's what we're in a row here it's like here right okay yeah - I'm a chairman to add one hundred thousand baht me and my issuance cost a total to one hundred two thousand dollars to fund the costs of the town's capital expenses at town facilities for the fiscal year 2015-16 and then it lists all the individual projects at the end it says the appropriation may be spent for acquisition of materials installation subcontractor fees legal fees net interest on borrowing in other expenses and financing costs related to the project otherwise we're gonna be all those projects we're gonna be cutting will we were taking $100,000 that's what you're asking is not your resolution number number of your resolution is to include

126the financing cost attack I haven't seen yeah we don't know exactly in there not to exceed no no I wouldn't do that but all of these are really that's good at estimates as we can get I don't think it's might exceed $100,000 if that's what our financial advisor told us it would cost that's not Rockefeller you know we're not picking a number an emotion if we amend the motion to include 100,000 that doesn't mean that they can spend it right so it is cost of what it is right as I managed to make sure that we managed it but I don't see what the harm is if we're gonna have a true cost of near $100,000 right we don't want to get whacked and have to think of that of our general fund org or

127take it out of a project so city now and a hundred thousand dollars of debt issuance expenses you say that twice you need necessary my addition for a total of for a total of never right as long as you put in there for a total of two five seven eight oh five oh say that twice I'll have it on there and then if we require any material modifications to that crazy all right might as well just rescind my motion play against him all right I make a motion at the Town appropriate two million four hundred seventy eight thousand fifty dollars and one hundred thousand dollars for debt issuance expenses for a total of two million five hundred seventy eight thousand fifty dollars to fund the cost of capital projects and issue its general obligation bonds

128or notes and temporary notes in the amount not to exceed two million two million five hundred seventy eight thousand fifty dollars as agreed by the Board of Finance see the attached list of projects plus debt issuance expenses and the event bond council requires modification to this motion we delegate approval authority to the Board of Finance chairman okay further discussion beat this one no all right here no further discussion all those in favor of the motion on the floor indicate by saying aye okay motion carries six zero what time do we have in case something does go awry with the bomb Council tomorrow do we have a chance to know we need this I'll get this to her first thing in the morning and then she'll come back to us immediately if she's got a problem

129okay we have to get it there by 10:00 so Shawn and I will discuss and if we have to make any changes we'll do that and we'll notify you immediately Shawn were notified immediately we had any changes and then I just need the list as quickly as possible for the projects that are so tricky the any notes that we have our development for that exercise so you could clip from the top down to row 93 and you can clip that in to approve that can approve capital you know approve cat little tap okay bust that out and send it over to meet this this is resolution that's the most important cuz she when she has that actually saw her next item on the agenda is to discuss the town of Oakville 2018-2019 budget are there

130any items that we would like to discuss tonight I'd like to make sure any of us have questions they get them tonight the Steve so you can happen for tomorrow but if there's anything that any of us any you know sums up wondering at further detail right now I have IRA sent a note that I'm in dejected Microsoft licenses anything else there was the other thing this yeah for discussion we could sort this out for tomorrow yeah Steve usme a note regarding elderly tax relief yeah are you able to have for tomorrow tan the redemption rate of that rebate so we can gauge if there is any exposure over that 400 yeah the total exposure to the town 485,000 even have that six hundred and seventy thousand five hundred dollars we usually get about a

131hundred thousand dollars in the state and we did last year to help offset these costs for elderly and veterans relief the state has not said either way whether we're going to get that they've been totally silent on it so you can interpret that both ways we're gonna get it we're not gonna get our redemption rate has if you look at the mill rate page on the budget that's based on previous experience actually how much we've actually paid now we don't get a hundred thousand you'd have to add a hundred thousand to that right now he was at $485,000 so we'd have to to be ultimately safe at about a hundred thousand to that not everyone takes advantage of these programs that's eligible that's fine it is what it is but it's been pretty steady if

132you look at each year it's been pretty steady so I'm gonna try to find out um I put a note in to Steve Harding the Craig miner where do you think this is gonna end up you know we're gonna get the hundred thousand or not cuz that's a lot of money I think what he's gonna do is come back say Steve I don't know but we're asking the question anyway so the elderly tax relief is a number that's presented net right right that's not something we have to present gross I know no no it's just the amount of money we get back for residents as tax relief on their properties all right so hopefully we can have an answer back on that in the next couple days yeah it well the answer may be so

133insane I'm telling you right now all right we got to make a determination much as the grants from the budget summary the governor's budget yeah I think us getting nothing for ECS then that was the old that was his first original so he's revised that numerous times do the numbers that Steve is and Kimberly have put in are the actual approved budget numbers so the numbers that are in our and Steve and Kimberly's assembly of the revenues are the numbers since the approved budget Malloy has put out his thoughts on how to deal with the deficits and his his is what I've taken off is his latest box on how to handle it so in fairness to our budget it is the true budgeted numbers on the bottom side animal was already saying he wants

134to make changes and reduced by a little now in the past two years ago there was $165,000 cut to the ECS grant after we were promised the Board of Ed has absorbed that 165 two years ago last year we took another $140,000 off of what was promised to us in budget so each year what we've been promised for the last two years we have received less and it wasn't like we were notified they just notified us a month before two years ago that you're just not getting the 165 so what we've done in the past two budget cycles and I was only involved in one is we've taken the promised money and reduced it in our own budget so this is the first year we're actually taking the promised money in three years of living

135with the promise money as it states now now I'm not talking about us without much how it is I mean this is the actual budget right for the last tooth fire by the last tube right prior budget years it was like 1.47 promised to us we only put in 1.37 last year were promised like 120 something we put in 1.1 so I'm saying as a general rule the last two years we dropped that revenue number by a hundred fifty thousand and this year below is already projecting that in his notes gotta be true who knows who knows I had a pretty lengthy conversation with Steve Harding about this and he said Malloy's numbers are not gonna fly with legislature does he think there may be some slight cuts maybe it's hard to say somewhere between

136Malloy and the legislative budget is where the number is probably gonna end up right I had a long conversation yeah pretty much is now he's pretty much my thing is though that we said this prior year was a million for the zero was a big gap we weren't gonna lose everything now you're talking a million two down to a million is that really a big gap that can't be stretched I think that people have an easier way of going along with a 1 million that cause the deficit instead of the one - I think it's not as drastic as going from a million for I think it's gotta be something be considered to do not take that it did I miss that the special education grant are we not getting that's a whole thing they

137went back to the old formula the old formulas based on students and it's in the thing they've calculated that out very well so it's a matter of dollars spent students so they figured out - the amount of the formula I'm sure Ken did and I'm sure his numbers are pretty close that doesn't mean that numbers solid either because depending on the money spent is it's it's a moving number as their best guess how they they could do any better you know I'm not gues governor malloy wanted to get away from the EECS grant which is formulaic yeah he just wanted to give cut that out completely and just okay I'm gonna give you 500,000 yes now the Democrats there's a migraine you wanted to get away from UCS because it's got formula right right he

138can't change that formula so he said no we're not gonna do me see us anymore we're gonna do special education grant which means it's just a number that's picked by his team that didn't play that was supposed to be nine hundred thousand four lakh - yeah so what they did is they revert it back to the old way yeah and that's a number we know how to calculate and again it's not a solid number and the board of that can't be held to a solid number on that it's the best guest on expenses the only other revenue lines we need to look at again we talked about worthy investment pooled cash is where it likes 65,000 year-to-date we only budgeted 25,000 so I think we can raise that number up from 25,000 to a little

139higher for 65,000 year-to-date 52,000 prior year so I think if you're looking at revenue top you know yeah I think you know you're looking at about 110 112 thousand if we go with the current rate so I think you could put in 100 to 105 and probably be pretty safe interest rates are rising I don't see them going down they're not drastically moving but if we've got 65 already divided by 7 months I think you could put you can go down okay so I'd be comfortable with a number of I'm sorry I said I'd be okay with a little bit less than a hundred MPC I just need I'm not comfortable in 25 I think we should reap the benefits of my great the higher number three think 90 I think let everybody else decide

140but I'm right you know here today Brad why she's alive Alex to it that number being as low as $29 yes I don't think they're gonna go down I don't think they gotta rise so I'd rather see okay which in your professional estimation would be 90,000 a gene or $1 they sometimes well senex it becomes 106,000 yeah I [Music] 111 thousand if we're gonna just kind of do a prorogation recording estimate getting a lot of 111,000 if you were to just take those 7.4 figure started out there have it I would like to see us go to 75 how's that and just follow it we now recognize it as a deficiency it's another number that we can understand better next year and we can adjust it again next year we're gonna go up on it

141in the line and up by $50,000 almost right it's a percentage we increase it now and that gives us a little leeway on it I'm comfortable at this 75 then we look at it next year I'm good further discussion pull the cash okay hearing none all those in favor of increasing the budget for pooled cash investment income indicate by saying aye I carry six up might as well start the top that if you want to do it and just get it done we're here and then we'll call it a night after ever all right up to the top okay current taxes that's I don't want to use the P word so we'll just say current taxes are a function of the movements that we make on other revenues and the expenses okay the Board of

142Finance impact there as you see it was due to an update in a formula error that was in the file that we were getting so I took that out we were double counting something okay so then the number the real number is 63 588 as of the time that I sent this file yes however Ricky can you go back to the mill right tab please now the concept of a balanced budget means that total expenditures will match total revenues okay so right now I would bet that they don't so go to column M okay so you have total expenditures of sixty seven six one one one sixty-two now scroll down to total revenues sixty seven sixty seven one six - no they don't know so seven strongly it's late 67 67 all that oh sorry

143Lucy it's almost time Harry okay all right good so what that means is we have expenditures that are now less than our revenues which means that we would have the benefit of reducing the current property taxes by 50k okay so we can do it on a one-for-one every time we make a change let's say when we're done with revenue we can go ahead and make that change so you could Ricky if you wanted to go back to that revenue tab and then you could do the BLF review you could take out you can subtract 50,000 from there and it's got to be 50,000 as a whole you can go over there and do it good in that be laughter you do - 50 Shane get the exact no thank you thank you thanks exactly 50

144so you can you can reduce the the the current taxes by 56,000 then if you flip back to the other tab you'll see that change carried through and as of this moment in time kind of 31 tonight we have a balanced budget that's how that works there so should I just put a formula in there so that it always bounces for not now you cannot give this later goodbye slowly nice surprise your taxes I believe are a function of what we got from Roberta yeah so shits did pretty good those really bet those supplemental taxes it's a vehicle taxes and whatnot you know any discussion on those two why'd they go down so much because people with the advent of the change in the tax laws thought they would get a big advantage I'm pre

145paying taxes so people that we fumbled up some taxes as long as you got a result the explanation they just shifty put one year to the other next year he'll go back up I think it'll be more even there's a bit before three to five thirty five so we just interesting lean piece you can you can delete that note I just wanted that there for us to see any discussions on that or the telephone access for forty eight six oh six okay [Music] the moment you've all been waiting for now the intergovernmental education cost sharing part of the past past budget we have education cost sharing revenue 1 million 144,000 $183 discussion and hill I'd like to see this boost to Malloy's numbers you take the difference other contingency boy was almost let's call it

146the nine nine nine nine hundred ninety nine thousand that's the flat was yeah that was just I could get the exact mom's ricotta for tomorrow but that's just my proposals to move the relative down and no we're moving out of the contingency fund so that's zero under yeah if we get the revenue it just relative if we're gonna move the moon wise number we should also then on a low set move to the 190 we got a couple weeks ago yeah up sixty thousand agree I'm saying move to that move down the move on what we got the Liz data move down on the other two that we got different data in the Delta we take are the contingency fund okay this is mine completely agree thought process it just tightens things up a little

147bit if you get the revenue and we're happily surprised we would agree happily surprised right but then we could build a budget based off of that that that's the most sound run I think right we won't get bit by his very small but if we were told by a member of a legislature that his number is not reasonable would you really want to be that conservative you didn't want to meet in the middle I'd be open for a discussion after we run through the numbers but I think that if we use it as a guideline I'd like I just have sat here and you said here that we lost like I say to 169 that we were promised we're gonna get it and it didn't come and then last year we thought we were gonna

148get it and the numbers changed on us at the end I think if you have budget - less revenue we can make that discussion if we really need to add expenditures we can look to to move that number a little but to start the discussions how's that and use it as a guideline yeah so after there has a deadline we're not you know they can go back as you if we see we need to you want to leave an even million there's a matter that's fine and that's something we've done the last few times anyway we've dropped that ribbon to the last two budgets to be conservative and it's worked in our favor then two years or two budget cycles feeding it back right - we do two budget cycles in a row now hasn't

149been because I'm not so sure that I know it's silence with that road fund money I'm not so sure what he's doing with that either because I wrote fun he's been good about it because it's a hot point for voters I agree but he's been walked at something they could see right I don't think he will he's been waffling out of the little bit all right the next item on the list adult education Town Road aid it was there anything was there anything on that road II know that was bright he's got that overlay okay Louis it grant who the lady to is 192 three upper 190 it raised it hard to be but that's also for me okay yeah for the sake of transparency I had reverted it back to what the board's like

150my head reviewed sup because I'm a change now you anything to 72 number and I do have that I think that number also this will be sharing credit is that's it let's go out away that's a zero where is it at there were twenty seven hundred eighteen thousand you just finest enlightenment no that's a different that's not the additional revenue sharing that's a time the sales tax shares the municipal resident zero this one here one eighteen that's still a good number three proposal he didn't change his memory he changed the I think the municipal stabilization brand outward did he move deep down he went down to like 120 years I'm okay if you moving to 150 if you wanted to down 200,000 yeah but again now if we take that what we've done there on

151a revenue side if you take that you take that the Delta from the 67 and 120 whatever it would sit without 198 centers total they've you've met changed if you took that other contingency what happens that gives us a contingency of 200 mm which I know we raised it the past two years but prior to that it was 40 50 thousand you still have your personal contingent secret of the union labor discussions so really we have a $250,000 contingency fund which I'm comfortable with 90 so I think then it was sort of net out and reduce some funds circuito of the expenditures tab and that contingency you could put the DOF approve that general contingency you have so over that 400,000 you could take out one I hate it it not to be yeah I'm

152good with that you just smooth it out yesterday so what does that do to the mill rate page yeah that's just wanted to make sure you go up look at this my didn't see make sure that that all carried through I know so I think native or before it was a 1.8 yeah oh so I was one one five eight now it's one point five five so right I didn't move anything so we did was just so there's no more counselors nurses side yeah do some risk oh yeah that's off took out some risk and remove anything so what you wanna lack surrounding yeah we can actually you better probably what was that the revenue side of you maybe did we double-check the town clerk revenue yep 456 will be double check that vetted it

153again I gave a sheet land use the same thing has be conservative they're the police that's pretty consistent that's where they think they're gonna be and Fire Marshal we look at those numbers too so if we're talking this year's sound revenue right what are we period seven here today was 364 right so we would be at 550 if we were running at the current rate Jim and we got in here for 450 or if it looks a sec so it's a hundred thousand less than our current burn rate on that Rabbinate yeah but we've had a couple big projects come through you did yeah I'm gonna trust my staff to say this is where we think we're gonna be next year you know we had the Enclave come through parts of Brookfield village came through

154these are big big fees individual fees okay you know we may get surprised next year no no no if you've got that feeling on it rather be on the conservative side Pat okay so the same thing with the Oh yep very comfortable I don't think I have any more to add on the revenue side then I think that's a good starting point you go down so the revenue increased by 74 theft we get an SME we added it 50 when you say edited 75 and another 25,000 can you nuance or current formula laughter oh I forgot the car that's not factoring in that factor okay oh yeah can you carry that formula through the or carry it down so we see at the individual on it row 47 all right Oh all right so you

155increase revenue where can can you up where they increase come from so we have 46 and 25 40 citizens silicosis sixteen what the Llosa give us plus whatever this 201 is staying back into yeah we shouldn't have it happenss we increase taxes I don't think the peak all that 201 over yeah balanced budget we well everything everything else is gonna change the final one yep so we're then tolerate it again where are we rather dude but need to expense now so we have total revenues of 34 percent assassinate the right one tonight so revenues appeared about 67 - that 67 thirty-six which was the net of everything I did before right that doesn't so it makes sense doesn't make sense maybe because you got this 257 already baked in here oh you left it there

156I think you took out no no I left it in here and just add the 56 data we white our [Music] we have to add the 257 because before we're double counting the interest of levy you if you were to if you blow that out all the way hmm ooh to blow out current taxes all right let me get rid of it well blast that out yeah do that so then all right happy if you go back to the nori tab if you run your calculation again revenues minus expenses the changes to asset so then through all of our changes I think this one I should spreadsheet magic works but that would be it you have all you other revenues we have all our expenditures so that's how you please the dirty word that's the

157plug that's what falls in so it has to pass to D it it has to be okay that's your so we're up 74,000 yeah I mean it's it's 10:47 and I Looney here that's that's the way the floor that's the way it works all right would you do the math all right you have all your expenditures you have all your other revenues you take away or you subtract all of your other revenues from your expenses and that's your taxes right that's right that's the way it works all right that's the way it works all right so we have a good starting point wouldn't have to go to any of these but yeah it looks like we're up so I have done humility acquired that [Music] sixty-four good hell of it yeah okay five four eight

158nine forty but it ain't John Oh this is where children wish you last year this technology was the discussion all right we're good there tonight anyway yeah we're good for tonight they make a motion picture before we do that an email did come in a resident did raise a concern it was senses were defiance in the Borah slacker with that it the levels of mulch and sand on the playground are below guidelines and it represents a safety concern what I would like folks to consider is the one colette is that does that make sense that if our mulch and sand are below the acceptable levels that presents a safety concern and then electic might have to consider doing something about that if you can validate that as a safety concern if those levels are below

159yes boxing record look at that a little not really caring about his opinion right now but if it's a safety concern and that was missed by parking racks but it was brought up today by someone who's taking a fresh look at it oh he's that though okay it's something that we will need to address it as a safety concern cannot in good conscience so to find that summer but I would like to see this find as instead of an atom yeah just I don't know that's just my opinion do whatever I mean we had a good conscious I agree safety don't get me wrong but I think that in 43 million dollars on one side 17 or 18 million on another I think I'd like to see it be if if we're adding it and

160it's makes it a priority I think this room of elsewhere to make it work and I understand the revenue we we found extra revenue I get that but I'd really like to see us drop down if possible on the tax rate yeah if we're gonna add in we make the hard decisions to add it in and that might be 2000 here and thousand there 500 there 1,700 here and net it out the reason why I'm voting against adding it and I had nothing to do with him how it was because a qualified person of Parks and Rec this came in front of us and stated that it was nice to have it wasn't it wasn't exactly a need it was a woman of the exact words but he said it wasn't a safety hazard he

161said it was that it was you know so that's if if somebody is a qualified person a qualified members of Parks and Rec comes to us and tells us it's not that big of a need I mean that's we'll check it you know adding some mulch let's say it needs to be 1/8 inches second that's at 7 any some mulch is not gonna be that expensive yeah no no we missed the point is advantage there is a we had to build a retaining wall basically to contain the mulch because of the water every time you put down the mulch the water watches the mulch away replace the process was the proactive fix of containing them all so this doesn't happen on an annual basis or a rainstorm basis it was to make it where it

162the fix was as permanent as it could be eternal I have this there's snow on the ground there's snow on this field there's snow on this playground I think it would be very hard for an individual to determine that there wasn't enough mulch there so I'll have Parks and Rec jacket and if it is below standard and what's required we'll put more mulch down now that's not gonna fix the problem it's a temporary solution which we've been using for years can you please validate that it is a safety concern the leader said is it a safety concern or is it just somewhere it doesn't meet guidelines our guidance but in our safety concerns because the weather is getting warmer okay to go out and play how big of an issue is this right now there

163absolutely are standards for how much mulch you have or rubber or whatever you're using there are set standards for every playground we'll check it you can actually be an issue as well but yes is this something that you could look into addressing in the current year she doesn't do that Parks and Rec yes I know it's a partner X issue so you would look at me and say I'd like to make motion to adjourn second all those in favor [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music]