Board of Finance Meeting 3-15-18

001do what you can yeah it's just same it's the same okay thank you everyone for joining us I call a special meeting of the Board of Finance to order and I called a special meeting of Thursday March 15th of the Board of Education we do as does the Board of Finance are there any members of the public with us tonight that would like to give comment it's seeing in hearing none we move on to new business we have with us tonight obviously the members of the Board of Finance Board of Education and this is essentially a follow up to the joint meeting that we had last month where together we went through the Board of Ed budget and I got a very good understanding the content and the needs but this is I'll say the

002more regular budget discussion for the the Board of Ed in the Board of Finance now that we've had a chance to go through everything digest it ask some questions of the Board of Ed and get clarity on some things so what to digest yeah but there's there's a list of questions that was sent over that Collette you were kind enough to post robust responses to so I think everyone agrees the best course of action would be to go through those questions make sure that we're all comfortable with the answers and then ask any follow-up and then you didn't hand out this five-year strategic planning matrix I'm sitting with his answers it's an informational piece that was actually just kind of finalized at home didn't it will always be a working draft but finalized during our

003last board meeting and it just gives good insight as to the contents of this budget and those perhaps that you'll see going forward as we do this is there any way we can put together target numbers with these as well when you put together a five-year plan of there's additional staff required or anything like that so when you're looking at a four point nine percent increase this year maybe only looking at two point three under normal circumstances next year or two point one or three so if you average it out over five years maybe the increase this year is really a blip in the screen of to get its overall I mean I know what you don't have a crystal ball I know you can determine the undeterminable is are you but if you could

004lay out with your five-year plan of objectives staffing requirements or program requirements maybe if we have blip in a budget year that's high one year it weighs out over five so you can explain to the town 4.9 this year 2.3 next year the average over five years we're looking at 3% it's more easy to swallow I guess is a lack of a better term so I don't know if you can or can't but if you're going to this level of a nice five-year plan outline you can put some like rough costing to it maybe the you know plus your contract raises and everything maybe you give projections that it's not gonna be 5% every year it's gonna be I don't know pros and cons about that you know we can do that because we do

005have the staffing requirements that we're looking at down the road we don't know what our what our fixed costs are going to be as we know this year you know we haven't read incredible increase in fixed costs that was completely unexpected so that wouldn't have tied into here so it would be the numbers would be skewed that way but I do see the rationale with them thank you what Collette if you're adding over five years you're doing different programs are you adding staff if you need to know snap you know that well are you actually buying programs implementing outside things that you're bringing in we would know those costs pretty much wouldn't we have an idea what they are because Glenn has a good point you know the timing of things it's critical to budget

006increases right I know and this year is a tough one but Glenn make raises a very good point that if we can smooth this out over five years I think it would be much more palatable to the residents cuz a five percent increase is gonna be a tough one to get past and it is another that's followed by a 2.5 percent increase that's someone not guaranteed yes projected you know I just try to help the cause a little bit me that's a good let's be bad we did you want to walk through this document is that what you see I just this is factual was brought up and I just wanted to follow up that ball whatever you want to go I think we're gonna refer to this right the first the first thing that

007we had asked of the Board of Education last time was to put together a non-binding information only not taking away from the hard work that anyone has on the Board of Ed put into the budget thus far sliding anyone additional budget investments okay and that was requested by myself with support of the board back in February and what we got was six points which I think are great we'd like to go through those and while you thought that they were important absolutely and there they're pretty much ranked I believe in the order that we had discussed them and thought that been the importance that we would see otherwise the first is the whiskey near middle school moat Mobile World Language lab now this isn't a fixed room obviously but it's literally a lab that could

008be taken from class to class which is how our span our world language instruction is delivered to some extent in the lower grades in whiskey near although different with it at the higher grades it could be used throughout all of our language classes within the middle school in addition we can use it to some extent for our ll students as well that would be $47,000 there was something that was initially put into the superintendent's budget request we took out in order to reduce our overall budget impact next is a school start time consultant this was one that was also in the superintendent's request that was delayed by the Board of Ed to bring forth the percentage that we brought forth to you the the absolute facts are out there that later start times for high

009schoolers have a direct correlation with increased for those students it's not as easy as switching time so there's a tremendous amount that goes into it from scheduling to bus routes to teacher contracts to our sports to after-school activities everything needs to be taken looked at most people have found that this is best achieved through a consultant who does this significantly in addition to that you also have to work and educate a community and have community buy-in because if you don't have that it doesn't work at all so this consultant would go to that effort to increase or I'm sorry delay the start times of our high schoolers as you go through these can you comment where I mean is that would this be achievable with current staff would it stress the staff to a place

010where they would be uncomfortable you know so if you had a mobile world language lab with tax the staff know this would be used by our the instructors that we have right now in our world Language Program at the middle school additional English language learner instructor this is I think we had mentioned before we have 97 I think is our last count of English language learners within our district to meet the needs of these students we have one PLL instructor in addition to our language ll director we have an additional elo instructor in our budget this year we could very easily do with one more by doing that we would better meet the needs of these students and we think that we would more effectively and quickly integrate them within the entire district themselves so

011it would serve everyone better that would be at $80,000 next would be increasing our classroom libraries district-wide this would be $80,000 this would be spread among all the schools um it's it's not a secret that the last couple years we have had to make some significant reductions to the budgets several places along the process one of the very first things that has been cut each time our libraries in each of the classrooms to the point that this year the principles actually were very modest in the request because they knew that if they asked for more than they did that they would probably get cut we do need to improve the libraries in all of our classrooms we need to work to make them on standards-based tie into the curriculum and just reach out to the

012students I do want to mention that we do have monies in this budget for classroom libraries this would be to supplement that because again that the principal's didn't really ask for tremendous amount in addition to that we have security on the list and this is just obviously in the light of everything that's been happening we've spoken at the last board meeting and intend to discuss this throughout about forming a security task force with community members school board police just did several boards within the time this would be to look at different options and different ideas to improve our security which is very good but there are things that can be improved so that would go to that and last is paving it to the middle school we do have $320,000 approved to work on that

013that will only cover the first part of it the when you pull into the middle school of the round area and the supporting sidewalks which need it but all of it does need it if any of you guys have been to whisk in there lately it's it's insignificant need of paving so that covers the additional investments that you would requested any questions from anyone on those items [Music] provide extra resources but my dear that would be a consideration that would be a consideration we actually do have a tutor right now that helps part-time to help use them situation Colet I heard on the news the other day the house actually almost unanimously pass they push money down to the school districts federal money to assist with security issues at the school so that might be

014a great thing there was a receiving federal money to achieve this which I think makes a lot of sense that'd be a win for everyone yes absolutely no I don't everything thank you for thank you second question was on classified staff salaries again did you have any questions or want additional clarification on no I think that you I mean the description is fine the question I have is is when we had last night as well and that's comparing non-union staff increases to Union staff increases in the rationale for that's necessarily matching them or not and iourney Union has a certain benefits into the non-union yes other rights and and things so so in your budget you most of the non-union employees the assumption was we're gonna use the union grades for the non-union employees so

015I wanted to discuss the reason that was necessary the reason that was probably the reason that we used the same increase for non-union is at Union yes it was actually our goal might've Ken might be able to speak to that more but our goal was to maintain that approximate increase across the board we thought it was fair and reasonable for everyone for the most part a lot of employees will look at contracts that have just been approved to know what type of increases that bargaining even received in order to know what to ask for and there's does that answer your question I'm not sure okay and we do have I don't know if you're asking about our non-affiliated staff members are non-affiliated staff members are those that don't fall under bargaining unit usually it's our

016central office people they did and that was approved they got a two percent salary increase this year which was consistent with our most of the bargaining units contracts that we did approve we thought that there it the next one hmm costs several places in the budget that include costs associated with curriculum writing and development we'd like to understand how page is determined how they affect one another and have a total emasculation development is managed that was the best and I was dressed in good detail okay Thanks so some of this is some of this is more it was meant to be informational that I don't think we did not I don't think we can believe that next one 9 112 but I will go down to is I mean this is my list of us

017myself just the the curriculum development task is that is the management of the of it and centralized basis I'm sorry I'm having lines might put the question about line three twenty three thirty five eighty okay I get it so it's question three halfway done yeah exactly exactly so if you could describe a little bit more detail you asked how how interrelated costs of professional development and curriculum development are managed at a high level and then how its pushed down so if you can describe how how but how its managed are there is there what is there a goal set that's then pushed down to the individual managers or does each individual manager have set up their own goals for what professional development curriculum development will look like and how is it how can we make

018it as efficient as possible across the entire district do you mind if I bring teacher will be up for that since she manages our professional development and our curriculum I can answer it she can probably answer more succinctly okay so when we we have a tremendous amount of curriculum work to to do and we can estimate how many hours of how many man-hours it takes to do certain tasks so when we look at the curriculum that we have to write for the different grade levels for the different subjects we actually sit down and figure out how many hours it will take to do certain parts of the curriculum writing and how and how of how many people and we actually multiply the number of people times the number of hours and we did something really

019I think good for all of us for the teachers and for the Board of Ed and for the town and for us trying to manage the books prior to this new teacher contract the teachers got paid sixty percent of their per diem rate you took you know four extra duty I mean I'm not that smart I don't know how to figure out what a projected budget should be when I don't know who the people are who will be working and what their salary is and what sixty percent of it is so in our last contract we were we stood firm on changing that so it's a if we have an hourly rate for that work for everybody so now we're able to figure out we know approximately how long it takes to do different tasks

020how many people it takes we multiply that we multiply it times the hourly rate and we come up with that number and we attribute that to kindergarten reading kindergarten math Kenda got all the way up and it's basic it makes it very simple math I couldn't do the other math look at 60% so it's out there you ask a question I just want make sure I understand it so we're saying we pay our teachers from Paris theft we then on top of that are paying them a tapper hourly rate to develop curriculum is that correct yeah because they do it on after school Saturdays just wanna make sure it's contractually so that's that's actually how we figure it out and we work with and how do what you wanna know how we manage it yes

021so so we have that overarching understanding of what we have to do and how much it's gonna cost sense what we budget for so now when people are going to do that work they submit a plan to me so for instance I just got one the week before last from teachers at center school who are gonna work on Saturday mornings to do this work and they put they well there's a form and they put down we're gonna work on let's say this part of social studies and it's gonna be two of us and we're gonna work from 9:00 to 12:00 on March whatever Saturday and this is what this is they do the math for me because I make them I want everybody to understand how much it costs to do this work and they

022submit it then I make Ken crazy like go down and I say how much money is left in this account because we allotted by the grades and by the schools and then he tells me and then I approve it now how do we manage did it get done I'll be very transparent when I first came here at the end of the summer I got a bunch of pink slips this high which is pink is for extra duty and I'm supposed to cyan't I have no idea who these people are what they did and I didn't see any like I've worked in places where you have to have a work product but you like submit to get paid but that was that was my first summer what am I gonna do it's the way it was

023done now the second summer if he worked on PD and you developed powerpoints or whatever you had to send that in a flash drive or you know email so the person who was paying out on this didn't if I signed off on it it did the check didn't get cut for the person until we checked off that we saw the work product so our curriculum now instead of being in binders or Google Docs you know all over the place sitting on shelves it's all in a digital platform and so if Colette was a teacher working on something with Ken and they got approved for doing it on Saturday Monday morning Deb fairy's night go right in and we can see the work that was done short of that out it was great people don't really

024like me but thank you can I ask you another question omni's could we get a little primer on what these are you know I see in that program review of non core four subject areas I don't I know it's possible just get a lip primer well NGSS Smithsonian I don't know what that is sure don't have to do it right now I don't have to do it right now do you want to do it after the questions yeah no we don't even have to do it tonight if we just get our little primer okay this is what they say no I just want to make sure the questions are resolved first oh yeah okay yeah no that's only I will say on three is if we've got to get behind the curriculum we got to

025get behind it uh I can't choose peace meals that they're gonna go with them and believe in their curriculum we can't chop 20,000 here at 40,000 they're either we're on board as a board or wrong I think it's not something that we piecemeal you talk about the one line by line through the budget but I don't see us you're gonna believe in the curriculum I think we gotta believe in the curriculum or before it gets the curriculum and I'm not saying we all right yeah and I'm just saying it's either/or yeah no I completely I mean there's a reason for my questions which were fabulously answered was beauty talk a lot about processes and managing them and and I just want this is a very important aspect obviously for the Board of Education and it's

026also a pretty big expense so I just want to make sure that there was processes place to manage the cost and the strategy and obviously there are so thank you curriculum is at the heart of every absolutely there really is either we gotta be on board or off yep reality get these feeling it's not fair to anybody fourth question was regarding the administration position in the education that the superintendent was going to present yes it did um what part of the note that went out it is it is what we're going to be doing with this administrative position is at the high school we used to have four department chairs social studies English math and science about two years ago we took our social studies and English department chair and combined it into a humanities

027department chair they had no teaching responsibilities and they just oversee oversaw both departments and do well we decided to in keeping with that model we're combining our science and math department chairs into a stem department chair so they will not have teaching responsibilities and will be responsible for the science and math departments at the high school and hopefully oversee and make a a STEM program for the bus that way does that achieve the $125,000 that was discussed at once budget yes the next one has the breakdown for extended duty closet.i the answers that's right let me go let's go understand some mindset where do we come up with these numbers and the increases cuz I'm lost you break it down ninth-grade transition went from 35 and I know I'm being picky I'm just trying to

028understand the mindset welcome 35 five nine nine to thirty nine eight eight eight to twelve point oh five percent increase and then you went for the AV coordinated did the same thing three five five nine the three nine eight eight twelve point oh five percent increase he went from the detention supervisor four four six two to five thousand twelve point oh six increase you went to school work coordinator four thousand 288 4804 twelve point O three percent increase why do we choose twelve percent of the increase jump on these positions what's the rationale behind that the numbers that are in google for eighteen nineteen are according to the contract I believe last year's budget the numbers for those positions you named were taken from the contract but it was in neighbor labeled it with an

029incorrect pay grade under correct now all of them so I mean these are all different things they're all went up to 0.05 percent there are nine different pay grades and the teachers contract for this extra duty okay then you can go after school tutoring in teaching you went up 20 percent athletic game workers 26 percent school climate coordinator thirty eight point six nine percent summer guidance work twenty one percent summer scheduling evaluations twenty percent I mean these are big numbers to change I know there's small dollars in rationale is why so big well a lot of those are special education with the after-school tutoring teaching and the scheduling evaluations and that's based on dr. cipolla's assessment of how many person hours she needs these teachers and there's a round number she's going for twenty five

030hundred leagues week thousands everything around bumpers its round numbers but I just I hate when you jump around numbers and percentages because it doesn't show that it's actually you're paying someone thirty seven fifty an hour and you're projecting ten extra hours there's a number not just the five hundred mean it just seems such random jumps it's I don't quite grasp the logic and I I still don't even understand the logic of it was wrong in a budget beforehand contract wise and now it's 12.5% how did they get wrong I guess I'm grass around these numbers the logic cuz I can't grasp the logic around these smaller numbers how can I grasp the logic around the bigger numbers I say go up from 2500 to 3,000 like throwing a dart on a wall to me that

031looks good throw a dart 3,000 so you can trash it on 12.5% you can trash it up 26% on some things I mean I so much man jumps which one in particular just go to after-school tutoring and teaching how did you get from 2500 to 3000 on a 20 percent increase line I mean I'm just trying to understand the rationale behind the percentage increase that's a fair question two disparaging comments not about yet I've been friends a long time I think that that is that's the one it's an estimate contracted because we most of what we're currently spending or these services because they're mandated variety but they change so in a sense for goals that are specific to special education sometimes it is an estimate but we think those fans based on our all right

032I can live with that then let's then give me the rationale then behind the school firemen coordinator which went through forty five oh five to sixty to forty eight those are real numbers but how do we get today that's a again 38% increase position as a lot of increase to go from that percentages I am I'm gonna have to research them okay we'll check that we actually did discuss the school climate coordinator during our last meeting we shake the position I'm just in the chain I'm not saying the position needs to be eliminated I thought don't take her I'm not saying wipe it out I'm just trying to understand what warrants a thirty eight percent increase on a line item that's all I said count one one eight one page two it's in your it's

033even your breakout and your section is a breakout of five or ten or twelve numbers I will go to an extent as to what we discussed in our last meeting Glenn the school climate coordinator helps a lot with the social emotional aspects of social emotional learning we have a significant increase take it wrong you're just trying to figure out how we got today I'm creating with the position I don't want to eliminate the position I think it's an important decision I'm just trying to understand the percentage increase okay that's all it's not again cutting it's not it's just understanding the rationale behind a 39% increase of the that's all okay no of what I was going to that though the increase is because we have an increased amount of students with social emotional needs so

034you're adding hours or that's that that would be an exhalation person worth 20 hours and now it's a thirty hour position now I can grasp that it's not amazing okay it's an increase in my assumption based on our conversations last time is yes there will be hours after that the goal is to have a a more a larger presence with the school climate coordinator in our school district that to me is an acceptable answer okay creasing the hours you're not really increasing the rate by thirty we are sad to see the Red Sox Linda no it's just the rationale behind us because we're scraping for thousands of dollars here and there for different positions if there's money or something we can use using yeah health insurance pause that's satisfactory for me explain this all right

035PDF copies travel yep so lines 320 and 580 okay question seven from on the list similar question to what I had before forgot that dr. Berube entered so well is the goals for professional development and how its managed and how its determined how particular programs for teachers to attend are determined to be evaluated value versus costs achieving goals is there one person who manages the entire budget going forward yes and that would be dr. Ruby Thanks that question it's very important that we have the right professional development so years ago when I was a classroom teacher we got professional development whatever the play for the month was the next guy that came into town that you know convinced a school district that he should come in and provide some climate service that's what we got

036actually learned magic one year I learned how to take chalk from behind my ear so the kids are being gauged that was our TV literally all right you see that leave all right I can show you okay um but now part of the teacher evaluation plan in the state and pretty much every other state really requires us to take a look at data the teacher data where our teachers doing well where our teachers not doing as well that doesn't mean that they're not good teachers but we've got you know our strengths and areas that we need to shore up and also to look at student data so based on how students are performing we look and we compare to our data on teacher evaluations walkthroughs and whatnot to identify areas of need if students aren't

037doing well in a certain area or prove based on test scores student work classroom walkthrough is etc etc then we look at the principles look at their staff and look at the evaluation and we kind of blend that together to identify what it is we need to provide professional learning opportunities in and then we look at our strategic appearance plan our district improvement plan and our school improvement plans and by looking at all of those things we identify what it is we need to work on and in terms of how we determine who or what we're going to use to provide the professional learning we've tried to one of the things that we've done since john and i came here it look carefully at who the providers were and we've tried to get the very

038best providers because if you're gonna do it if you're gonna do it might still do it right you always have a second uh enough time and money to do it again if you do it wrong so you might as well just do it right the first time so we've brought in some pretty high-level people into district to work and to work over a long period of time so that it's consistent so it's not a one-and-done or you pull people into an auditorium and you have somebody come and spray and pray and it's all over you check that you did it and it's all over it's consistent and ongoing in addition to that the building administrators have after-school time on Wednesdays where professional learning on a smaller scale but a just as important scale is done

039and that is most of that time is the decisions are made by school-based teams led by the principal on things that are just germane to their schools or to grade levels or to pockets of students or to different types of teacher specialists etc so that's pretty much the process how do we I think the board here can tell you that one of the things that we started doing two and a half years ago is providing the board with a brochure prior to every half day of PD that we do and every full day of PD that we do and they're welcome to phone we also one of the things that were mandated by state law and some federal law to do is because we receive federal funds as a public school we are supposed to

040make our professional learning opportunities available to the non-public schools and so we send out that information to our two private schools in town and we welcome those teachers in because they're teaching four filters so we've been really encouraged by the fact that we've had teachers from st. Joe's and from Christian Life Academy come to our PD and their principals are always quick to make sure that they know what we're doing we have exit slips that the teacher or teacher and surveys where teachers give us feedback and let us know whether they liked it they didn't like it and great it's really done so follow up continuing the theme that when raised in terms of the rationale for the increase in the budget lines I hope my notes are rights I don't know this but I

041think between 320 and 580 went the the budget went from about 185 last year to about 250 this year you know well we got cut last year so we're trying again because we're not we're not yeah we got to come back again behind because we because we believe that that we need to to run the professional learning program and while we're not corporate you know that in the corporate world professional learning is is a critical component of how business is operating like I just know my daughter's a CPA for KPMG and she knows that two weeks of the year she's not gonna be in Connecticut at home she's gonna be off someplace for professional learning from seven to four we don't worry we're not corporate so we we have a lot of people that we

042need to professionally develop and everybody doesn't get the same thing they're all not CPAs we have you know all the disciplines the four core disciplines we have visit health music art and we need to try to provide we're not we're not I'll just put it out there doing the best job we can beyond the the core for what they are getting PD that is germane to their subject areas but we need to do a better job with that and so we're hoping to get the funding that we believe we need to be able to provide for everybody that's based upon previous costs or previous budgets and kind of your your expertise of what it will take - yeah and some of the things that we need to provide professional learning for our state mandates that

043are come up and there have been a bunch of new state mandates and the in health and PE there are some new mandates so we're looking to get better because if what we provide to the children and in this town in terms of education is only going to be as good in as current as we keep our staff just like any other business so that's the money that we need and guys can make the decision any other questions and you know I know everybody works but I think if you ever have the opportunity and we can send that brochure out to the other boards we'd welcome you to come and see what it is that we do both the - thank you the next question was on other professional services and schedule that was requested

044was provided any questions on that schedule I do not visit wheels special education evaluations holds 60,000 and I silly to think that if the costs especially are going up or no because students from special education evaluations dr. spa we know that a big-budget driver is special education laws hmm and the biggest jump I see you're not the professional services that first one the life skills special education program you can collect do the dress that report but there's not as drastic and increase in the next line and there's no increase in the next two lines speech services or special Association tonight yeah so the special education evaluations are evaluations that are outside of our district if we need to contract for evaluations often these are independent evaluations which parents have a right to ask for and

045again it's something that we make a prediction on but we don't necessarily know is going to happen until it happens so our best data is about how many of those evaluations happen from year to year well yeah I mean there is usually a similar number but it's hard to say exactly how many are going to be so that's why we look at the trend data to determine it okay is this a reasonable assumption that we may need to have about this many evaluations so you're saying over the last few years it's run right around $60,000 a year in terms of other services like the the tutoring services we do know more who those who those students are of course for example American School for the Deaf we know who those students are we have a

046certain number of students who receive services of course somebody we may have a new student at any point in time but that's based on our current projection of what those student needs are at the moment we call through no I'm ugly records say I'm actually happy in the direction of specialist department it's working I know the costs are going off but I actually appreciate the direction of what's happening out when the diligence has getting put behind it so I know the costs are exorbitant but I actually feel much better for being managed for the first time in a while in my opinion that's my opinion thank you for thank the next one was library our textbook and library answered I have a question on that actually Helen I talked about this so this is I

047I did an analysis on a student activity fund and I know the student activity fund is a spawned outside of control and I understand that but some of the line items in there were fines for library books fines for textbooks and these are something that aren't necessarily the students club money these are the items that pound baby books so why can't we incorporate these fines for library books and put them against the library budget why can't we take loss of textbooks there's $8,000 in the loss textbooks column why can't we take $8,000 and put it out of it remove it out of that student activity fund which is six hundred five hundred and sixty thousand dollars or whatever it is and it's not student money I'm not saying take the Key Club my I'm not

048saying take sport but why can't we take these funds that are sitting there and have been sitting there with balances at the end of the years and move them into actual buckets because if you've got to collect money for lost textbooks from the parents and the taxpayers paid for it why not take that money and reduce your line item bikes $8,000 or better yet put it towards a language lab I'll use it for something you know that money is sitting there and there's about and I know I shared them with you there's about ten line items to me that can be moved game advisors ticket sales eight thousand dollars of ticket sales in one of the line I'm asking for a six thousand dollar increase on the athletic game workers there's ticket sales for athletics

049why can't we just swap it out cut that budget item down till the status quo I know I'm talking twenty thirty thousand but twenty thirty thousand makes a difference in some things the same thing there's a thirty three thousand sitting in a line item in that account for transfer system over there has no delegation to it there's fifteen thousand and miscellaneous can I can I speak to some of those fire okay um and essentially as I had mentioned before we have taken a dive into the student activity fund and now that Nina's transition is over there's more time we're taking a another series of dice as well we did discuss the Student Activity fund at our last Finance Committee meeting to respond to some of those the system conversion is actually money that's not there

050okay this was money that this was stated to be in the previous account when we switch it over to the Harris system that we use now was a differential the miscellaneous before you go the differential is a positive or negative negative event port shows thirty three thousand dollars more than there actually was in the fund at the time when the system was converted the report me yeah the itemized report of the activity funds but your ledger though the previous um business director used his system when we converted that because it really was the system to a bonafide reporting system that was the differential based on what was actually in the fund and what that system said wasn't so Glenn you're going off of the June 30 2017 bank reconciliation right yes ledger yes yeah where's

051the short Jonel no he doesn't want to help me with the data well this is actually let's this is yeah we do a deeper dive yeah so the money's within the district and miscellaneous and the interest can and we have been speaking to Council but that can't actually be moved to students something for the students um can't go into the general operating budget but it can build towards that all of the money that's in each individual school must stay within that school the principal's do and can and do use the font overdue library fines everything to Superman through books all right but if you say that then each school puts it the way I understand it now you correct it wrong each school puts in their individual budgets for these things they all roll up

052into the top line so center school puts in a budget they want some textbooks they want so why are we utilizing each school's dollars in zero and that account out every year why are we carrying a balance of seven or eight thousand dollars over why not if this whiskey and air puts forth the requisition for $20,000 worth of textbooks that they got three thousand in their individual account zero it out at the end of the year put it in the next year's budget and then you build it during the course of the year and at the end of the year zero it must have been listening to our last finance during our last fine we agreed with that and we agree that we are going to set a regulation and doing that time to just

053encourage the principal's to use these funds on a yearly basis versus like oh yeah you know without clear authorization from the board I wouldn't think a principal would be comfortable just using funds without being and that's one of the reasons that we discussed it as well that we need to have some system approval that they know that they are they have this funds in there available to use so that should then lower to Glenn's point if they had a twenty thousand book dollar book budget and three thousand there we should see a $17,000 requests in the next year all right okay and one thing with with as well and it doesn't go to all of that but the Student Activity fund that you looked at was just like one snapshot migrations absolutely and some of

054those funds have been used and have been reimbursed and that's following I agree that was just help you read balanced so that was just a picture of this happens a year and yes no but that exact thing was discussed at our last May in the finance meeting I know and we are going to put those systems into place thank you it's really great Dickens so student activity which piggybacked off of the textbooks and library focus question if acknowledge the upgrades as a pretty robust answer yes it was him capital budget documentation or backup or I'm sorry dessert which question was worded okay when we saw the capital budget plan there was a discussion about the drainage and the mulching of the playgrounds at huckleberry in center school and I was just wondering if there's do

055we know if the students I know that if it's raining out there or recess but do they know is the drainage issue and preventing them from going outside to play in the playgrounds on days if it's rained in the morning and there is the drainage issue preventing use of it I'm you know it may be a safety issue but if it's you know a school of chemical first graders that don't get to play that's nuts for the teachers the center was the dream but it doesn't prevent it prevents recess I don't think people on outside it might prevent you from using that area the v-app that the set but the kindergartners doesn't race yeah yeah that's what exactly I know we had discussed good parking right yeah about it not being a safety issue but

056I just yeah about that [Music] listen to many in all revenue sources they are it's the best we've got yes so I can't say they didn't try miss someone it's not like effort how's that identify areas in efficiency areas for improvement we always search that we are always a searching for efficiency my hands you know prove positive some of the organizations of that we've been doing recently within our administration if you're looking for just this is what this is the next generation science standards it's the okay I would like to know if you have anything in mind for the Board of Selectmen the Board of Education budget around 180,000 we do not at this time we have not discussed it as a board and I would be hesitant to say anything unless we have discussed

057it as a board I will be very honest I do come with this budget proposal that we did we did reduce five positions an administrator the greeter monitor position and the three part-time clerks and we reduced to programmatic investments as well so it will probably involve positions we can't take this just by trimming a paramilitary you can plead the fifth what is this is that that the Board of Selectmen approved going to impact students it will cut positions and any time you cut positions I mean it's you are going to in some way shape or form impact the students are there any areas of efficiencies that you think you could tap into if we did we already have we truly have I mean this is a lien budget this is an efficient budget it will

058be tough getting to the 180 they don't have any questions on that [Music] if there are anything on capital the capital items I believe the generator held it was last Wednesday so not this week last Wednesday when we had the heavy wet snow the lines were downed there was a transformer that blew on Hill and Dale so this whole area without a generator did fail so this school went completely zero power the unfortunate thing with that when that happens is that also the entire scooter stick loses Internet capacity as well so the whole school district as well as this school was without power which is significant when the high school is considered an emergency shelter so I mean this is our primary emergency shelter first and we've had to use it during that October storm

059storm for ten days we gotta have this building up and running 1% so it is a critical investment that we need to be comfortable with the four hundred thousand total for that 350 plus 250 it's a solid number we do have a quote that is slightly under the four hundred thousand dollars okay the generators in the transcription switch so why do we have to wait till next year that doneness I'll ask the question at the white elephant we don't see your budget no no it's not it's a budget for next year we're talking July like you mean I've got it down you want to take $400,000 at a general fund I don't know the vehicle so I'm not smart I'm just saying why can't that's a reason why I'm asking that's the reason why that's

060why I would have to come out of it it operates this one place sometimes it hasn't completely failed they did get it back up and running but it is not reliable so there's no vehicle event to get it to any kind of CAP there's no vehicle to do this it's beyond repair as well so it's 35 years old so it would have breakdown 300% tomorrow it's cut puts there's no vehicle that we have to get this out there other than take it from the general fund that's it and there's no other we ask for such charity Kimberly can that be the capital project be approved by the town yes to cash out the door now it'd be fun oh you still have to have a source for the funds it would be the general fund

061paid cash out to do it today could be reimbursed it could but when the rating agencies look at you they look at you and say are you are you dipping into this you're not planning properly if you have to dip into this it would be a very bad precedent or something that we could do for most I think I would be against that if I may just and if there's an issue with our emergency shelter there's not much of a shelter at all it's a place that's called fair point fair point that's my concern you all right that my concern is again it's something and you're right I don't know the details so let me be clear I don't know the legalities I'm not just saying if there's a way to do it now it

062hidden it and saved a life or two lives or have a place it's worth a $354,000 I can tell you right now I mean but I don't know the ins the outs that's about my favorite can we look at it yeah absolutely get it to see if there's any way we can do that I don't any way to say it may have to be up to the board I apologize anybody against it I think we need to do it I think we need to see if we can do it sooner than later if there's an avenue to do it without the heavy metals okay let's let's chickens ready I'll check into a further with our rating agencies on our bond Council with the reverse of it okay we know it could fail we know if

063we have a catastrophic failure in something happens to somebody once the town's liability at this point if something were to happen due to that generator not function our liability is very limited in that case because when the town is immune from lawsuits and right but from a m-- the support of the town standpoint from a perception the optics of it wouldn't be very good they'd be horrible you know when we have outages our staff knows exactly every single person in town who needs electricity to run an oxygen machine or whatever they're doing and we check on them immediately and we get them general we do whatever we need to do to help them but when we have a long term delay like in that October snowstorm where I know I was out for nine days

064this is our emergency shelter and we have to have it up and running so I'll look at it further I did someone I probably told June or July the budget said acting you've got a place a purchase order it's gonna take four or five months lead time I'm sure to get this project up and running we're looking at next winter before this generator gets in there I mean maybe I'm long term on this but it isn't something you go to Walmart buy off the shelf and you have the next day Oh we'll look at it further we'll look at it further I'm not against it if we could do it tomorrow without harming the town's ratings and classifying this as an emergency repair that has to be done in order to support our town and

065on proceeding emergency then the rating agencies might look at that a little bit differently because that's exactly what you have a general fund for unforeseen emergencies we're gonna replace it with the bonding yeah we were gonna learn about it because this it'll last 20 years so is there anything else on the board of education budget thank you okay thank you one so on without objection I am going to adjourn to a Board of Ed meeting and the Board of Finance is gonna take a five-minute recess [Music] you [Music] okay we are back from our five minute plus intermission and we're going to pick up with the agenda and we have chief Purcell and some officers here from the Brookfield police department to present their operating budget and capital items for the 2018-19 budget thanks Sean

066with me tonight is your job with Lacey captain Brian's and sergeant Matt than I do John's kind of our operations guy is our support guy that's our tech guys that's my support when I come here and talk to you we always try and get started today and I know quite a quite a good portion of the board is to do it hasn't seen us or hurt us in the past so I apologize this is kind of for them but we consider our mission to be working together to form partnerships to solve problems and enhance the quality of life for all the fields residents and visitors that's what we do we want to provide the finest of the police services that we possibly can within our ability to do so and again improve the quality of

067life for poor people that's what we're all to get you folks kind of up to speed with what we're all about I thought I'd just do what Jack Webb always you know did you know just the facts who what when where why and how of what we do on a day to day basis so this is kind of an overview you have our numbers in front of it we're gonna answer all your questions afterwards so this really isn't a number intensive presentation [Music] um chief would you prefer that questions asked at the end or do you want the masked as we go I can feel the minute as you go however you guys want to do there's a slide up there that piques an interest and something you see in the budget and when I

068asked who we are with 34 full-time sworn officers in Brooklyn that includes myself the people you see here at the table full-time sworn officers we also had 10 full-time civilians eight of them are dispatchers two of whom are administrative assistant for the command staff and our records core we had five we call them special officers they then four of them have been police officers with us in the past either retires or were moved down to another career but one to keep their complete certification their only paid when they work and then pay the lesser rate than would be giving you police officers from bata we're overseen by the police commission which is an appointed body in town unlike you who are elected our commissioners appointed than they have direct oversight and I report to them

069on a monthly basis and we talk about our operations and they ask questions and give us suggestions and help us make some positions and I think what we do is is is most clearly illustrated by what we do this is our activity for last year we had eighteen thousand four hundred sixteen calls for service Criminal Investigations there were six hundred and sixty two criminal investigation visa a year your robberies your larceny is your sex assaults crimes that are committed and were filled that we investigated there's six hundred and sixty two of them you made two hundred and forty five arrests issued 645 summonses and 1584 warnings the big catch-all category that you see there 8055 those are the general service calls these can be anything from there's a suspicious person on my street there's a

070bat in my house there's a snake in my garage you name it it falls into that general that general service category if it's not the other big category which is traffic traffic is your car crashes motor vehicle stops selective enforcement things of that nature that we do on a regular basis and then thousand alarms assist person calls those are lockouts disabled motorists and the ambulance calls we go on to assist the ambulance crew we report first responders on all ambulance calls so they all go into that that broad category youth related a lot of that is accounted for by our school visits we're at two schools that have youth officers what's going to hear in the high school have the youth officers on duty at the other schools were their arrival and dismissal anytime those

071doors are unlocked and people are moving freely with wood we have an officer stationed there so we get a call number each time we do that and then there's there's a few other things there so we're pretty busy throughout the year one of the things that people ask very often is why does Brookfield need thirty four police officers well is because of the nature of our work we were 365 days a year all around the clock 24 hours a day so when you think of a five day eight hour five five eight eight hour five-day workweek for every five of those that a normal business works we're worth twenty one we're working on three shifts a day seven days a week so we're working 20 to 80 dollar days where Brookfield is about twenty point

072four square miles almost 20 square miles that is land it says just over a half a mile is its water but under state law any water is really multi jurisdictional support field can have response Authority farther away than just our territorial waters there's no firm boundaries in the waters of Candlewood Lake and Lake lil Nona although they both have Lake patrols very often we're called to assist for incidents to happen out on the link so that 131 miles of road under than one of them belong to us 19 or the states 11 miles of private road why do we do well we do it for the same reason you folks are on on the board here it's meaningful and satisfying work a challenging environment we have gets us a sense of community and listen we're

073paid so we give reasonable compensation for the job that we do it's an opportunity to make a difference if we work as part of the team and there are a host of other reasons why we do what we do some of these pictures I think are illustrative of that it's our youth our community we want to make it as good as we can how do we do it to be effective we respond with the right training tools attitude and most importantly community support if we did not have community support we couldn't do a job if people in this community didn't believe that effective and efficient on their behalf we couldn't do our job gonna be great resistors we thankfully enjoy a great deal of community support we've been very humbled by the outpouring of community

074support when those stressors outside of our area and so forth our community seems to value what we do we appreciate that it keeps us going we also do what we do by your support financially and this is a picture of our budget now you will notice that the capital number differs from what came down from the board select that's the number that we submitted the Board of Selectmen made certain moves just as they did with every department and so we'll talk about that the bulk of our budget obviously 85 percent is personnel driven and that's governed by contracts and things of that nature the equipment area 267,000 training is a big chunk it's one of the most important things that we do and it's a big chunk of our budget and then support and I'll

075get into those different components salary items doing in 298 wages shift differentials overtime wages regular and training holidays specialty pay per diem dispatcher and special officer pay all those things total out most are driven by contract the only non-union people in the police department are the major the captain it myself in the sworn officer area the part-time other than that everybody huge training what you practice is what you'll do training is a critical component of what we do at the BPD we do annual training and the state requires triennial recertification of every police officer which mandates training in certain categories our training budget anticipates that we have basically three cohorts of people within me within the agency that are not equal so one year you may have more of a training expense the next you

076may have less of the training is but depends on who's doing them one year but some of the things that we train in firearms and defensive tactics domestic violence sex assault mental health first aid is becoming a huge a huge topic there's a new state mandate that we do that every year now they have some awareness of that DUI enforcement emergency medical responder narcan we've used narcan on numerous occasions in town to save the lives of people who are addicted to opioids k9 narcotics and dangerous drugs and all all sorts of specialty training areas that we want our people to be able to investigate crimes of a certain certain type control equipment the well-equipped patrolman is uniformed alone which is dealt with in the uniform line item has to be maintained parts replaced and so

077forth but just the basics and every vehicle you have a first aid kit it we try and get as many defibrillators in the fields as we can we currently have three that go out the cars we're looking for another one in this budget so that we can put four on the road at each time fire extinguishers lock out kids stop sticks radar units radar units they're in the capital budget you'll see the need to replace a couple of those flashlights traffic best firearms pistol and rifle Taser handcuffs at the time gear bag tools thousands of dollars worth of equipment it needs to be maintained and renewed from time to time we have multiple special teams our accent investigating team our scuba team the evidence technicians or emergency services team which is really the Danbury emergency

078services team we and the Newtown Police Department contributed officers to that team solve a serious incident barricaded some subject active aggressors something like that would happen in town we would immediately call mutual aid for that team our people who townspeople Danvers people would all come and assist us but they require special equipment as do the accident investigators the surveying equipment and so forth to do the proper measurements and computers and everything else to the scuba team requires special equipment and our community affairs team as we reach out more into the community community policing is is something that's absolutely necessary again I talk to community support being essential for us to effectively do our jobs we want to reach out to the community we want to engage with them so that they have an opportunity to

079talk to us and we WETA members are our community affairs team does have some needs that are in this complete operations captain Franz manages our fleet an adequate and well maintained enables us to respond quickly and effectively to any emergency over the years we had to have specialty vehicles added to our fleet we have a lot of vehicles in the parking lot we've had to expand our parking lot to accommodate employee cars and some of the cars we use them ride the very and so forth but essentially we have marked patrol units unmarked investigated an investigative and administrative vehicles and especially used vehicle to scoop a boat and trailer and a response vehicle a command crime scene vehicle we have an ATV and a kiloton trailer and then the private duty cars these are the

080cars that generate the revenue that supports that at outside services pump the money we charge to use those cars and try the duty jobs because of the nature of their use city idling at the roadside that's not a good thing for most cars you don't want our patrol cars doing that so we have retired patrol car it can have a second light doing that sir our rotation and replacement program is important to us I'm going maintenance with the Public Works Department our Public Works Department Garage does all our service for the most part we do have money in the budget for outside service and a couple of the gas stations that public works very often especially at this time of the year can't do all our work they're maintaining their vehicles so we have Dallas

081or suppose and there's a new capital request for a police rated f-150 pickup truck that's one of the items that was was backed out by the First Selectman for this year and so we can talk about that anyway Communications when we talk Communications in the police department are talking telephones radios wireless there's a new item that we we have included this year it's IMC caller location service that's critical for someone who also have Alzheimer's patient for example who's lost they do from dial nine-one-one but they have no idea where they are they can press their palm send a signal to us and we'll be able to recover their location and get out to reach them there's a cost associated with that which is in this year's budget technology and Matt Matt Donadio is going to

082be able to talk to that but we have an in-house Network we have the seizures Network we have peripherals in the car that have to be able to connect to the building to connect to the state and so forth it's all intertwined and network security I think earlier in the evening Steve mentioned that there was a ransomware attack on the state it was the the state the Judicial Department they got hit and we actually lost access to our paperless rest warrant system and a few other things so it was it was significant network security is key our technology person it's all me math words from very low Dan and Dom in at the town level to be sure that we're fully integrated with them we usually backup each other in terms of the network on

083a daily basis and so we're pretty resilient and the police department is actually set up as a mini town also in the event that they had a failure in town officers no generator over there at all they could come over work in certain spaces in our office and critical functions of the town can continue and it's continuity of operation and this mutual failover is something placer were you hired specifically for the IP function did you kind of inherit that because ago I was I was hired before there was any techno queso you inherited you just kind of know we had a certain skill set that got to advantageous to highest and best yeah listen you're looking between the floors you looking at 110 years of law enforcement service in the town of work well and

084most except Pete here came on board but we're still filling out paper in pencil forms and everything else so we've seen a lot of change in our time our facility partnership between the BPD Park and Rec in the public works department obviously the public works department is response responsible for the physical building itself Park and Rec handles the outside and we do a lot of care and maintenance inside we contract with the cleaning and so forth custodial services an outside contractor we pay for the elevator maintenance the generator maintenance mechanical maintenance plumbing and electrical fixes in the building in our budget Public Works you'll see in their budget certain things such as painting carpeting more hard goods than just the normal maintenance maybe and then the structure issues the rule parking lot all that is

085visible because Public Works that Sheldon con we try and get out of the car again this goes to community policing and engaging these are just some of the things we do on our officers get out of the car car seat safety program the Special Olympics Torch Run typica our social media presence the coffee with a cop program Halloween safety patrols stop the cruiser toy drive which is usually successful holiday time every year and skills demonstrations whether it could be in our building and tours and so forth or we engage with the schools we have k9 displays there we participate in the firehouse runs an annual Kids Day and we're there capital needs we in this budget you'll see we're asking for a sedan two utilities and the pickup truck the technology out upgrades that Matt

086can talk about to radar units we've expanded our fleet the radar units start to get old we try and get on it on a 10-year cycle with those the likes lifespans above ten years so we do one a year but we added a car this year so we need one additional plus the one we're retiring and that'll get us back on a I want to gear schedule hopefully and then we were looking to do a bike patrol it instituted bike control to be the growth of our Four Corners area the trail and the heavy use that it gets some of the parking issues we have down on the shopping centers in the southern part of town we think a bike patrol might help us along along in those areas we had several officers who are

087interested in partaking in a bike patrol we looked at he bikes we're not totally under percent solid on those but again this was something that the Board of Selectmen kind of moved off of this year's capital plans so the bikes and then the pickup truck are something that we believe we need if we if we can't get them through capital we may if enough money comes in and that outside services one we may ask to come back through that to recover those impossible radio system of the building are too big capital projects that are on the horizon the town wide radio system with an estimated cost of 3 1/2 million and I face that really on Milford's and richfield's experience both of both communities have just gone through it we really seek a system that

088will be fully and completely interoperable between Public Works Public Police Department Public Works the fire department the ambulance the schools and within our region we want to be able to be interoperable throughout the region and we want to improve reliability and resiliency within the system right now we rely on phone lines that go up to Carmen and all the crash every now and again we're looking to do my whole way of that sort of the building addition and renovation the estimated cost of eight and a half million dollars again that was based on industry standard for addition renovation type project we're looking for that we think our facility needs studies show that we can do it the study has now moved into the phase where we're doing a site evaluation to see if our site

089will support the needs that they've outlined for us we think it will and once that's done we'll we'll put some schematics together and then we're going to be talking more as time goes on the radio system upgrade based on the age of our current system the support for it through Motorola we may be talking sooner than the building depending upon where everything plays out in the grand scheme of things and capital spending for the town so may look at that radius radial piece which ideally we'd like to marry together we may be looking at that upfront because our goal would be to put the guts and the brains of it in a building at the base of that new cell tower behind the firehouse rather than in our building we have access from our building

090from the firehouse open over a fire I'll see if I can work into the system but the guts would probably be located in the building mass generators and I would make it not tied into the building and the possibility of a renovation or a rebuild somewhere else yes oh good it could go that's pretty much what I have for you as I said before more than happy to answer any questions you might have regarding anything that we have here this year I'll open up the floor anyone has any questions please do ask me tree microphones are turned on I don't really have a question I had a few comments one obviously you said you the community appreciate you and they asleep we do and I appreciate your feedback to the community when I go out

091to eat at restaurants at night you guys are always accessible you're there with the public you're interacting with us you make it easy to approach you guys and it's appreciated for just you give back to the community as much as the community gives back it said I just want to say it's appreciated that it was nice to see y'all at the breakfast this morning as well so it really makes me feel good about you guys and thank you very much whenever your officers rescued a kite from the tree that's next to your driveway from my son I think it was last summer okay thanks for that it's good that he sees police are friendly people this is what I'm trying to say it's that makes it so much nicer that you guys are in the

092community you're out at the restaurant you're accessible it's nice thank you we have a good group of energized young officers who want to be contemporary and and their policing activities which means enjoying the Halloween activity means joining the coffee with a cop Thai captain type activities it means you know getting out on a bike and being present where people are so that you can interact because some people aren't willing to come to a police station and talk to us and planned on something but if they see an officer standing at the counter at Dunkin Donuts I see going all the time there that's a good thing because it just provides another avenue of communication responsibility and responsive communication between the citizens and the police usually want to be approachable use the term like good local

093policing or something one time I raced that term so thank you for budget wise I mean there's not many questions at three and a half percent over prior years so they're not really like for what the counting police is gonna happen the new people come into town the stresses on your services I don't have a lot of questions on are we losing romances out where the traffic service traffic service team is going to play my house the way the way that worked last year they put a net number in there and we still have the revenue to offset it yeah so what we did is we put the true costs in there because I don't think you should be netting out right we have not received those grants as of yet so we haven't put

094them in as revenue but 99% chance we'll get the graph and then we'll go back down to about 8,000 is that right in total cost yeah the grants are reimbursable so we have to lay out we got some good news actually I am [Music] 38:25 we got some good news from the state the texting grant which we are awarded because not every town gets chosen for that but based on our crash history and our previous participation with them they allow us to participate on this grant is going to be a hundred percent reimbursable concern we have budgeted for 32 change they granted us 30 but it's 100% reimbursable just we saw that traffic service grants number comes down a little bit and then we can bump up the revenue offset as well that revenue offsets

095should now be in 42 5 37 you mentioned earlier that there was private duty vehicles that you use and you returned fees on that is that on your revenue statement in one of these categories or is it a nominal amount well it's not a totally predictable amount it's not a nominal money it's a pretty significant amount you know and it really depends on what services are called for when this time of the year there's not much cash flow into that account because there isn't much cause for pride of duty work due to the web mm-hmm come spring summer fall that that we expect that to get busy again we're fields in a building mode so to speak if and when lower 202 project gets started additional work in the four corners things of that nature

096they all create traffic issues where we have officers out assisting directing traffic very often the contractors want the police car because the police car makes the scene safer for their workers and they're willing to pay the extra money to keep their workers safe so it's a very little seasonal it's seasonal right so they get summers when is the small period the other three seasons we get some money coming in but captain Frank please so to retire frontline vehicles they go into that private duty fleet those are older vehicles they're not fully equipped as a as a patrol vehicle would be they'll have radios they have the lights and so forth but they don't have all the federal later they on first aid kids so if something happens on the officers gonna be happy but they

097don't have the great arguments they don't have the campus they don't have the futures so yeah they're less expensive to maintain that way yeah and then when they can't use them anymore the town takes them and we use them for another five six seven years generally those three lives in at least generally those vehicles have at least three lives yeah you'll see you know they went from us front line to the private duty to lead and now the fire marshal just got from us two cars from us actually that I think has it has a little vertical Public Works has it as a vehicle so and then what then after that there's an auction they're usually not worth much time yeah but you'll see people driving around in matters and the thing is they're well-maintained

098you know they they their service regularly and and they're pretty well maintained there's a lot of wear and tear on them but they're pretty well maintained so somebody who buys them can expect to get a little there are adequate from our purposes because of the nature of my life and how we drive for somebody driving normally that so over those updated outs for the $53.99 six the the it's the expenses 43 825 of the revenue should be 42 537 sorry I was there weakly to 537 we're talking in that expense 239 about right it's better than that sure chief have a couple questions on the some of the specialty wages that that teamed have changed a lot unless I have an older version okay fine sorry about that we got something new okay that's what

099I do turn oh yeah earlier on there were a couple of all trades yes yeah yeah okay I understand on the opposite by the equivalent line it looks like so precious you thirty two hundred is been spent but the budgeted amounts so there's very often or not okay the police the garbage [Music] we looked at we project out recently those needing services now [Music] their questions yeah we're we're sergeant Jeff Oh such does a an active aggressor training and we're gonna kinda do that we've done it with the town hall employees we've done it with the library employees now we're going to be doing it with the Lions Club at their next meeting I believe and so we want to be able to do those kinds of things in the community and make them available

100to groups you know benefit from the knowledge I think and it's not something it's something situational awareness is something we want to get everybody that have at the top of their minds whatever they're out public place and so we're doing this kind of training through our community affairs being through people who have certain specialties all good I just wanted to thank officer Donati oh that was an excellent slideshow great job again I want to extend an invitation to all of you to come down some of you have you know feel free at any time you were there under your own power would be happy to take you through thank you especially as we come up to the facility needs discussions that we're gonna have going forward I think it's good for people who make financial

101decisions for the town see why we're saying we need the things we do I did have one other couple questions and I read it right last year the body body cameras was on the capitalist and that got deferred is that if I didn't see it on the street that's all Kimberly saw the body the body camera we did not put our Commission did not make a decision we wanted to move forward with body cameras even if we did there's money available we had brought that up as a part of a larger discussion with the tasers there was a Taser plan that John could probably talk to them who the body cams that number was a segment of that and somehow I got left in so we took it out okay because they're the police commission

102the police are not ready to move today so not everybody went for some people are trying it and so forth but if we come back and talk about the backend requirements a little bit yeah there's like fifty five thousand dollars a year in storage within well as teasers planned for example one of them they've been there for a while and now it's called axon it's basically you know they show up with the equipment and when they leave it's done you know yeah you don't have to worry about the stories you paying for the storage but you're everything's it's like a lease a five-year five-year lease with replacements and it's it's great but you're talking about the vast number of it was fifty three thousand a year for our staffing levels they get they get you

103enjoyed by the cameras you know real money is in the Grampian the thing with the grant is the equipment is really not the cost anymore yeah it's the storage and they're not even really selling the equipment I mean they are but they're but the real push is for that service it's a software and hardware has a service yeah it comes down to an ongoing cost of ownership yeah pretty significant and we get very few complaints yeah well there's a lot of questions that were unanswered in the state as far as privacy issues and FOI requests that I think by taking a step back and waiting to see some of the other agencies handle those in our state I mean throughout the country it's been you know it's been hashed out but there was a lot

104of questions that remain unanswered as far as the type of calls the officers would have the cameras on and what people could request under a polite request how long we had to maintain and save these files and what the public's access to this data was and I think it's as time goes on it's being played out port so I think you know I think those questions it's definitely a good tool yeah but there so there was a lot more questions and answers at the time I think maybe during the summer one of our meetings we can end with a tour of the police station and what not one of our regular being just a drunk from there she guys came I think I'll end your own terms the last night okay all right thank you

105there's nothing else thank you very much [Music] okay [Music] get Hawaii oh thanks [Music] you my life is how are you [Music] hey guys doing good evening I'm assistant chief evangelist this is our Vice President Paul for sack and our secretary and budget person Sarah all right so we're gonna cover center fire hunter center fire company which is located on fokin over at plus the ambulance in a second so I don't know if you heard but this is one of our fires in the same house just 10 years later saving backfire and same exact guys where they're putting that out so our four years so our Year in Review well I'll take that Wow we responded to 742 fire calls that also included service calls and fire watch details we performed on fire watch for

106several weeks at a daycare center to keep it open due to some issues that they had safety issues so a volunteer fire company actually provided coverage there 12 hours a day five days a week for several weeks at the cost of the the owner of the building to keep 60 parents from you having pulled up kids at a daycare so our volunteers did that some of the said the staffing levels deviated from six a day to two depending on what was going on what kind of work was needed but those numbers reflect emergency response to incidents some details and some coverage and we did 1546 calls that equates to over 2200 patient contacts a lot of incidents we go a little more vehicle accidents at multiple so we contacted over 2200 patients last year as

107you can see we feel about wide variety rescue work structural firefighting a vehicle extrication and a picture on the left is one engine for pulling out there in one of our many snowstorms great so our fire operations what I did was I put it all together I'm sure you all have the whole schedule there it came from the Board of Selectmen as we requested so I put it up I'm not sure if there's any questions on anything in particular there the big jump is in training and we need to look at we do have two aerial devices we're looking at adding some aerial operator coursework so that's the big jump on the training but otherwise is we always say we're tax payers in this town as well so we're trying to keep it you are

108best to keep it limited increase any questions well you won't see on there his staff okay 880 people between both fire companies which are brothers from candle company are here save the town of Brookfield around five million dollars need to let that sink in five million dollars by 80 people in your town that volunteer their time that's a real number if you don't believe mantel is a very new we should go look it up I encourage you to those are real numbers that's a lot of money if we had to throw at you guys for staff so when we come to you and like Sarah said we are taxpayers and between wool fire companies and we work together as one department pretty much under the same operating guidelines and things saved the town of Brookfield

109a lot of money and this town is growing fast we've had to change our apparatus purchases and streamlines and things and we had a by additional aerial device due to the construction what's going on here the only thing I can stress to you guys is a concern of mine is one of the Chiefs is that there's rarely an impact study done on public safety and I see Purcell talked about the effect of you know this department and same thing happens with us you'll see and when you get to EMS we had it add additional staffing on the ambulance because it just become so busy and it's with the influx of people coming into this town and the billing that we're doing so all that stuff that happens is great for Brookfield but it has a

110profound effect on emergency services and we try to stay ahead of the curve and we get all the attention planning and zoning and we follow things when we were active participants but as we see trends coming to adapt and that's when we come to you and one of the things we'll talk about is our apparatus replacement plan and I know our brothers from across town the same thing it's have been fully funded and it's a problem for us we were told two years ago don't worry about it we need the money will be there and you know what the guy that said that I told my said you're not gonna eat your anything month and it's not here okay but I am and she growling still here and we're gonna be here asking for stuff

111so that's an essential item when we get to it we gotta fund it it's an easy place to cut and yet we can kick it down the rule but we're letting him know we have a very clear path replacement plan policy and we have to follow and they're not getting cheaper and we'll get into that when we get to blow the cap so um Andy mentioned that there's no personnel on there but there is in your budget in the human resources department a volunteer stipend correct and that's one hundred fifty thousand which is 1,500 1,500 1,500 per firefighter that that qualify yeah and it's it's it's you have to do significant that's basically took place of our tax abatement that we had which was the state approved thing from Gary 20 years ill we have

112younger guys that just joined and only owned the car and there's $200 they only got 200 bucks yeah everyone here knows I it cost you go through in the firehouse it cost you money and fuel in the time and lots of work and a lot of they men's clothing if you just did a lot of things that heats it up all right so on to our capital expenses so um we did know on the bus that went over from the Board of Selectmen you had remodel bathrooms in you gave us zero we didn't ask for by bathrooms to be remodeled we asked for our generator to be replaced our generators 32 to 38 years old we moved it from Center firehouse to from Center firehouse on obtuse road down to the current firehouse um so

113that item was zeroed but it it is a mistake on the budget that we want to have corrected and we also like that um that this generator by the way sometimes works and sometimes doesn't as a matter of fact in the last silk storm it did not work automatic transfer switch failed and the generator never kicked over lost power for one not too long for about an hour and a half but still it was an hour to half and let me explain to you what that means that means we can't get into the building okay if you call you say I'm a house on fire I have an emergency I need a fire department you can't get in we have an access control system that's run my life okay so Bob the door now me

114now we have some of us have keys we have backup to fight and believe in redundancy but not everybody all our officers do but if the finally blows up to get a fire truck is your house on fire and the generator isn't start now see we get into the keys our doors won't go up okay now have you your garage door at home patty right ours are probably three or four times heavier because they're larger doors so it's like a three-man job to get a door up so you're talking a huge to lid so our generator needs to be replaced this is an item that was pushed back last year because we're going to look at maybe joint with the cell tower and radio communication center and and that's fine we can get a big

115enough one run everything you know that's fine but we need to do that okay it's an essential item it's not it's not a watt it's a need and it's to this point now where it's it's a big old diesel motor heads and that generator not only supplies electric to the base the supply is electric to the administrative side of the building which means it includes the kitchen and when there is a crisis in town we not only feed our own firefighters we feed the town crew the highway through the police department and anyone out parking wreck and anyone else that needs to be fed so it takes everything down so that that small amount of money I know you guys are tight with you know with a dollar you have to be at your job

116this is something that we need to address it and we might end when we get through our presentation with capital we might have a couple solutions for you we can move a couple things around to kind of even it out the town doesn't so you did have generator 40,000 directly below that was that pushed out towards 20 yeah okay yeah that that's fine and I didn't think you'd cut the generator so I knew we had that discussion last year it was an essential thing that pushed it off you know we have you know GBC three four or five years out we have capital plan and and we know that we realistic with sometimes stuff gets move here's one of the things that you just can't get move because if it's your house if it's my

117house we're gonna get in trouble if we I'm letting you know right now that this generator is not 100% dependable all right on record we have it that way if something happens wrong gonna be in trouble and I want to avoid that our money that we raise goes to apparatus replacement and it's part of the thing 100% of our revenue that comes in from fund drag which has been pretty stagnant over the last several years 2008 took a big hit and it's kind of going up a little bit but we have a graph so so this is our income going back to so our so the blue is the fund drive which is been pretty stagnant I think this year was a was a banner year and it was like 160 I want to say

118the then this is that because this is the one we're talking about the apparatus reserve so we stay about between 140 and 160 is what we bring in and that money goes totally for we have to loan to separate loans out to million dollars right they were paying down for three apparatus we bought two in 2012 an engineer to tinker and then we bought a quaint device which was an engine with a small ladder on for $900,000 in 2015 and we put some money down on the rest it will paint out every you know every we have and that's when we came to you guys three four years ago we said look every year the Board of Finance asked us hey let us know we can start help me by five trips to the town

119of Brookfield is never all those beautiful fire trucks that we have in town the town of Brookfield had never bought we did we did on fundraising and we're very proud of that the problem is the cost of fire apparatus is getting so expensive and our fund drive is going like this that we just can't sustain what we're doing anymore so we alerted four or five years ago the board of financing look so we started doing it they Artie were paying for our ambulances because we came to them a few so we came by UNICEF it's just they're just we can't buy MLM fire truck so they the cheaper thing for the time to pay for the ambulances so we did that now the fire trucks all we're looking for the money that we asked for

120in our apparatus reserve fund is just the offset that cost it's not to buy the fire truck it's to help us offset the cost of purchasing a fire truck we pay for the majority of it we're just asking for a little bit they kind of cool stuff our reserve to keep it in there that we can make these purchases paid for the building app on the little road we paid for that with our donations we've frozen ones Mountain check sorry what was that bill 1980 we've moved in in 89 no we moved in in in 1991 it was built in 89 89 91 and the fire company made plenty payments and painted often 20 years because it came from the other firehouse yeah we were you know a lot of the firemen are more creative

121you know what like I said we live here we pay taxes here and we all decided to act in that can move down and run for a while and we're gonna beat it up until it's not and that's it's 8:00 this morning probably say just you know the scheme of things back in it probably saved us $15,000 okay but it was $15,000 minute debate here we are and everything today is propane so it's gonna last a lot longer than the diesel and did you have any documentation about the the generator that you have in mind we do have we're actually ready to go it it were that concerned that if there's a major problem we're gonna go with knocking mr. Dylan said we have a major failure now we need to do this and on

122that would that concerned about what's going down we actually pre pipes appropriate already out there it's ready to go it's just ready yeah we're ready we're ready connect okay so that's it's okay it was like it's like when you believe after looking at this if you so he knows these same high school if this thing fails on us we're leaving three-quarters of it's not so much if it's when I do you thought of it even if we lose we lose every source you lose your generator you gotta have a way to get in your building we have keys that we have there's 12 us to have keys to get in which we can we have one I believe the police department there's just one there but it's getting the doors up and you can get

123in it's just it's just a tiny thing if your house on fire or you having a problem or you're trapped in the car that's that's you know it goes like that so that's a that's a definite light of course that we need Skutt was our incident command vehicle we received our current incident command vehicle as a grant in 27 2007 and it's set up with a lot of equipment so like our thermal imaging cameras gas meters and such it's obviously a smaller vehicle it's a for excursion for expedition which or um and it's a great little truck to have especially when we just have free Nor'easters and instead of sending out a 500 to 700 thousand dollar truck we can send that truck out now I will tell you that the reason this showed up

124in the capital ion is this board for the last three or four years has caught our apparatus replacement plan this was the smallest I didn't know we could put in there to make you aware of if you fully fund our apparatus or buy something and that will disappear well we can we can eat that we can absorb that in there we are putting the money away for the average else like the town's made the commitment by the apparatus at the time that it's needed and I think everyone on this board and the horse 11 agrees we're going to do that it's the town's decision how much money is it seventy five percent of the purchase price 100% of the purchase price that's a decision of town next we're putting money away so that we don't

125have to borrow three million dollars and we have to borrow 250 thousand will provide three million dollar piece of equipment you make these what we're saying our plan was when when before you're on the the first Lightman was when it was presented to us was let us know what your number is that you're gonna be and we have it right out there you know what it's gonna be so you don't have to borrow anything so we keep kicking the can down the road and having a borrow and so we're trying to avoid that that that was our approach and it obviously you guys are the bunch of people if you have to caught it whatever but that's why it into the command vehicle shoulder because now we're running short and that's an essential piece of

126equipment I would rather first all we use it every day you know it's an essential piece of equipment for us and we use it every day in fairness speed you know and I was only one budget session and fairness last year we did slash that pretty hard and cut it back so when you do that on the flip side to stand behind what we agreed and put previous boards when they come to us with a request like this we got to consider the funding because we've slashed the funding that they asked for up on the front side so we said and you're right I had what I remember from last year's we said we can't fund it in our budget this year however when the need arises we will fund it like you just said

127now the need someone has arrived here and I don't I haven't any what we got a job yeah I've it obviously I'm and I know we can't get everything but I'll say this we got to be fair when they asked us for a vehicle like this because we didn't cut back on the agreement fair to everybody no the day people in town we were driving twenty nine-year-old vehicles but we had an agreement in place that we would put money inside for apparatus oh look and similarly present way back last year I think maybe I was for a hundred thousand the first year so we've already been cut two hundred and four thousand dollars in and the caveat was and and and I'm just saying for discussion the caveat my understanding was when the need arose

128we would step up to the plate and meet the need because we weren't funding their appropriations upfront similar to the Jeep ourselves in our vehicles have to start operate they got to run twenty nine no vehicle is not an emergency service it is not mercy service vehicle we just can't use vehicle at all we won't keep it and serves we can't it's it's not dependable so I know Kendall also has a need for one a we just had some major snowstorms and and those were essential in providing service to the town because the big fire trucks couldn't get down the roads because the trees are down and a bunch of other things we have to have solutions for everything I don't have a nine one two I'm nine on one people quality and the answer

129I need a solution and we have to have no to solve problems and these types of things that we have solve problems for us and they help us solve problems during inclement weather and then during extreme situations and that we use every day it's got air packs that equipment it's just it's it's easier it's more efficient and we can get up a driveway we can handle a lot of problems and we can slow down the bigger apparatus a bigger apparatus it's four miles to the gallon when you get it up on the road you start Drive and that's a lot of money if we don't need it out difficut handling so it's a small ticket item but the reason it showed up and it's not in our a pressure placement plan anymore it is that

130we have been and I understand what and I get it and I understand it but I wouldn't be doing my job it wasn't sounding the alarm saying this this isn't going to work you know we have you know a million dollars in loans out that were paying every year people are our apparatus replacement we get a number of calls from a passerby so say I think I've seen smoke in the area called 9-1-1 well to send out a fire truck it's costly to send out this this first car responder is going to be a lot less expensive than sending out a fire trucks and we work in every asset to keep everything down what's wrong into the incident command vehicle are getting the full amount that you requested for your apparatus reserve well here's the

131deal if we get the full amount for a procedure I can absorb that into the communion okay so that would go away the town has committed to buying you new large still it would be up to them to decide how to purchase them now if we only had a million dollars in reserve you can't reason we'd have to borrow a million if we had the full two million but you're just said that if we fully fund the cash reserve then you can pay for them that's what exactly that is why we took it out of there because it hasn't been it hasn't been fun you did if you if you police if we fully fund our education but we took it out of our app that replacement plan because as our money's been caught it's

132a communication error yeah I think you and I do agree what you're saying it's sort of holding hostage for a thing and that's what we got we we made a promise we need to fulfill the promise I think that's what's easy I need to talk more promise the promise of as I understand it was not to fully fund a cash reserve as requested the promise was from reading that that fire cut two million on five absolutely we're gonna buy that was absolutely alright how many do it is up to it's always here's my concern though that I wanna make sure all the players are still good because chief gambling and I ain't you thuggish and we'll be here and maybe there's eight different players here in two years I think I said why don't we

133do this so how do we make it so that this is do we do something in writing I guess it's just a concern we have as part of this ongoing budget process it's a goal that I have as chair of this board to put these things in writing however it's not going to be this is the amount no going to be you know correct and I think when feasible that would put that would put our the ease but that ease our board of directors and people aren't to fire on their financial people to say okay we have a commitment and running from the time because if they like handshake from you today in six years doesn't mean anything they say whoa I don't recall what happen because you know I see if it's happened you

134know and Acacia have like in paving the roads we started with I think a hundred thousand camp one point four million in bonding two hundred thousand in cash and we've done that every single yeah we've done it tom has made the commitment right but we had done it don't the other day with the fire department guard lists of who sits at this table very be really unwise to not put money away for these huge capital projects but you just said it we don't we do it with the roads most good behind out of the worlds and I applaud you for the hand so don't think but we didn't do it with the fire department on their request thank you she doesn't need to be spent every year for a fire truck it's every twenty years

135we are spending one and a half million dollars a year on the roads we're not spending one in a half million dollars a year on fire trucks we're not but so it's a different it's a different funding apparatus but the communication part of it is if they know what we're gonna do they can better manage their funds that they're getting it shows me already they bought a building with their own funds a library is asking the town to buy a building and these guys went out and did the donations and what I'm saying is they cost them to do this we need to commit to them and so they could better manage your donations and by this I think it's far as bullfighter come how my speaker chief really but if we do this for

136both fire companies and get a plan and like later on so this is will commit to and this what we have no matter who's sitting at the table on our site or your course well there'll be something that we can follow and I think that's important going forward because then whatever you put in the reserve is on you guys you know we can make a request and whatever you guys put on that you feel comfortable doing okay with that you just we look at we've been buying the fire trucks and we're looking like this is where we're gonna be short as this goes we've projected when things happen these fire first twenty years that's it figure so you gotta replace in essence we can almost eliminate the reserve and tell them we're gonna funded through

137capital and that let them manage a donation do you could do that but III agree with it I want that money put away every year and lock now a portion of every Korean capital yet that cannot be touched that nobody and it's happened before yeah I'm sure three hundred thousand I'm gonna take it from here it didn't this is dishes are do that as we got involved with you guys helping us to purchase our apparatus through some of our concern because we're on the hook for these things and we're paying for them we just want to have a plan I think C I think you'll have the scene you know and that but that's why we remove that out all right well you hope we can't pay for that so we'll have that with that

138in for the top of it you know to be honest with you we have seventy five thousand dollars in there for heating control systems we can take that out between the genocide rather have a generator needs and command vehicle those are more important those are things I use every day the heat thing we can we can make that work that's it that's a that's we have to I mean that that's that's that's a lot not a need a piece of apparatus and a generator I need those but at Opry I'm let you know that that's the thing and just just switch the you know and you know equal it out whatever you have to do I would rather delete that $75,000 they got a through from the first time you're not gonna hear that often

139coming from us you leave it I'd rather have the other things because I think they're more important to us operationally they're essential do you have a schedule of going out 10-15 years without the 2035 I think a presentation you know that that gets updated every year just in case there's every year every year 20 years but 2048 yeah our fire pumpers are every every 20 years ago it's not in it you send you a copy of it can I simplify a little bit why don't you send an email to Shawn stating exactly what we talked about all that we can do with what we can do with that not just who do myself on the cheek be on your pants and collaborate on it now we have a importance and E is we need it

140tomorrow yeah uh no pressure on you not I'm gonna prove this by Monday night so I'm not putting a timeline on you and they say it has to just be what do you want to intern what can you just talk about the need factor right redo your needs all that you need you'll get a net will say that absolutely stepping out of balance Shawn is then why don't you come back to us after budget season and we sit down and have a meeting at one of our meetings and we put a long-term plan together we all agree on written and a written plan and then like backing is Shawn 100% on we will note this with shawn has discussed this with us that we are going to start notating agreements that have been made at

141this table then from future Board of Finance members can go back to and review and say okay there was this agreement the environment it says any future Board of Finance that disagrees with this must take a vote in running and again then we're cool you what we have the commitment and you know because guys it happened there's only a couple you're left from two years ago from last year I'll say I hate it that's how things happen here in town you know well if we do that I'd like to make sure it's full fire companies and the animals cause you guys fund the animals that are at that meeting and happy employer because gee family has a long-term replacement plan we all work together and I think that would be essential in the course yeah

142in that same point yes sir sixty nine thousand four hundred for the ambulance yeah we know you replace them every four years yeah we don't have enough time to put fifty thousand dollars away so 45 correctly every four years and we have a plan Frances alright thank you very much with that it's that cleared up a lot let's continue please just again out in the snow with it and we really don't want to have to come to you and say our two month olds ladder truck as East Hartford witness last last week during that was a 1.3 million dollar truck they were at a house fire and that tree fell down and crushed it don't want to come to you and say we could have just destroyed a 55 um I don't know if we

143need to go through this anymore but just to give you an idea - by 2022 we'll be in the red so so our perhaps here I'm gonna just fast words are all that so I hope you don't mind alright so our EMS request did the same thing you are put forth on our operations what we asked let me talk about EMS II we earn a joint venture we're sharing an asset with the economy Milford alright ten hours a day Monday through Friday 8 to 6 and it alternates weeks this week since in Brookfield we have a backup ambulance that is staff the to emergency medical technicians that we call it a car okay and it covers Brookfield and in Milford for second in middle school so you're getting hammered with animals calls in both towns

144all right not enough so that we have to have a full time second ambulance here but we only had a problem so what we did is we worked regionally with the Melfort we're sharing an asset and a resource splitting the costs rotating which ambulance gets used every week so we're not eating up in the ambulance and it's really worked out well on providing coverage to people of all times if there's a call in and offered and we're in Brookfield they go to the golf course you might seem hanging out across from Cumberland Farms in the Milford that's why they're there and use a column and l3 and they're monitoring both Vegas and we'll the first person who got a second call is they peel off and go it's worked out wonderfully these guys will tell

145you about it and that that's most of the increase in the staffing levels with that we've had an increase in our revenue because we're covering more calls for a billing revenues going on so the more calls we have the more revenue we make it's just simple math that we transported in a loss you might realize you're never gonna never know we provide a lot of animal service to people that that don't go to the hospital we'll treat them at the scene and they refuse transport we gain nothing really from that it's a loss so your math up there should that be the two ninety two ninety nine the nine twenty two or nine nine minus six thirty so then as your yes should be two so you can so but at some point probably within

146the next four or five years we're gonna need that second name for ourselves correctly right now we have we have a fully and a paramedic on handles 24 hours a day we have a paid EMT on that analyst from 5:00 in the morning till 9:00 at night a volunteer covers from ninety nine to five in the morning okay we have a paramedic on seven days a week 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. and a flight car who covers second calls and whatnot and works with a volunteer on orient volunteer EMT also covered back of all so we have three well staff annual service it's very busy we do a lot of calls and our service is second to none the staff there most of those people have been working for that company for about 15-20 years

147they're very part of family and they're very good at what they do and then the cost is it sentimental there's no reference it's we provide the animals everything they provide some staffing it works very well for us and our billing we chill actually we change our billing company to a very aggressive resourceful lady out of the other side of state does some creative things she waits to send a bill for like five or six days because what happens is if you go through the ER your that your deductible gets pulled out of the ER and the insurance covers the animals right away instead of the other way around so it's doing some creative things get just paid click I don't have any questions on this I just I did Annie can you just give the

148board the clarification and the overview of how we're keeping the box and just getting the new that our next day a new handle just purchases a new animal it's a four wheel drive we had to get a soil dry weather on you guys last two weeks um the next animal it's in four years ago to replace it we're actually gonna take the box off we bought when we bought it originally it was just made so that we can take the box off put in the cabbage chassis under firm putty half the price so we might have excess money on our animals reserve phone we will in four years so so it works out well and we can hopefully reduce the the next few years to get to where you know need to be for a

149fully honest replacement so we'll get probably twenty four years out of that box all right which is huge when we try to do things like that we try to be resourceful and minded op and we're do that with the same so the next four years and again it's we have a large monetary and that staff that augments the system that we have between I gotta tell you something I'm gonna give props to our brothers in blue the police department is one of the most progressive police departments around providing emergency medical services they helped us set fire calls I got pictures and pulling hoes I got a picture of chief Purcell putting out a brush fire with for us one day the very amazing and I don't think the people in this town understand the importance

150of the police department and what they do they are more than police officers they do it all they drive the animals they do CPR they put out fires edge to edge holes they are there with us so you haven't really do have an amazing police force and we should very proud of what you have it the emergency services team that we have public works everybody works very well together unlike anywhere else that I've ever seen and adjust those background what is the number one emergency call in terms of buying medical boss Mercy Medical cause I know help dramatic health issue yeah you know what we have an extended care facility in town 246 federal Road a village will fill comets when they moved in on coal volume 1 upon a third because we're there every

151day a lot of doctors offices we go to a 31 over route 7 which is a primary care walk-in Center very frequently for people going there to ham on I don't feel good and having a heart attack or something you know a lot of art a lot of the people that use our services aren't people that donate to us to help us out you have motor vehicle accidents we've got a lot of motor vehicle accidents but you know our great support system in this town most people don't use us I mean they do open but they don't you don't have to is too often but you know we don't go to home so much we go to a commercial business ism and I gotta be honest with you they don't pay their share of the

152freight they just don't eat by sheer numbers so luckily we have great generous people in this town that support the fire companies for years thank you when did you drive your fundraising letters out Julie I second Sunday in June we hit the streets the letters out and and that 180 that you quoted said 160 once it's very liberal is that yet just your department or buying the twins okay yeah that's that's pretty good I mean very low overhead with with it we do it our self you know solicit a immediacy anything else I'm just to give you an idea of our ambulances and again the snows not great for taking pictures as your treat you know some of our paramedics come in into training for us and then there's just some of our fleet there

153that paramedic car is a recycled police car the white one in the middle 80,000 miles and recycle it with the farmers second life is it's kind of like we had it we had it a line item in there for 35 or 40 thousand dollars to replace it we talked to mr. Dunn and cheaper salad we work something out we were able to remove her last year and that serves it depends the one on the wonder workplace is not there the one that we skated replaces before wheel drives on the left that box is not designed to be replaced the one we bought four years after that one was designed to be disconnected refurbished and put back on and we'll get another 12 years and we're trying he's never really done it oh sure you should

154bent a little bit more money on it the feature that we could do that and it seems to be something in the future for us percent reduction how was they because we did do a remodel and we put in more energy efficient yet material so we're hoping more insulation is propane now new lights timers motion sensors everything we did down at our other station we get up get up there and yeah it has been historically in the other fires that did that so in terms of our capital so we talked a little bit about the ambulance replacement we are purchasing ambulances on its way from Iowa coming in the shipping and service sometime in May so we have purchased and amulets and sorry like mr. Don said that it's for years you have to kind

155of fund it and that's where it is that that Lukas CPR device they got eliminated it was it was a year for before you're replaceable we put it over four years um we need that and I'll tell you why there's a gentleman that was on track carting three or four months ago if he's ready 5650 is year old male when the cardiac arrest in front of Stanley the Brookfield police department the fire department the anal Service responded they were there within minutes they use that device and the defibrillator and their skills he's alive he walked into the firehouse a week later thanking us the only reason he's alive of those machines and the people that save his life okay it's a part of a four-year replacement plan we need the fourth one we have one

156in each handle someone for the paramedic part it's a device at the CPR it pounds your chest it's an essential piece of equipment it's only $15,000 I believe it yeah it's something I asked you to restore or consider restoring there's no grant money out there for them to look good with defibrillators but it's something I think we need a few it's again it's a four year it's your for all before you replacement it's an amazing device you think about these high-rises that are not coming into Brookfield some of them don't even have elevators you can slap this device under somebody actually walk them down the stairs and this device is still doing CPR you can't do that manually there's no more not math you guys know it's all it's all compressions it's all and that's

157what that machine does she come out when was that made available to you guys three have four years ago we started there came out about probably five years ago we waited for them to get perfected the first ones were running on air we were really keen on that so we wait another battery operated system seriously what did this then takes over chest compressions for start a cardiac arrest situation where are you as we said the periodic compressions are you tired [Music] so areas where we have women or places that people really profession any leads that do the off the paramedics that allows them the opportunity to do other things to say that patients life right now we have three precious than who or given these through a grant through K Corolla Foundation and we had

158found it out there we Martin did they have three or four states that we indirect it should be two movies device we do CPR several times a month this just couldn't you it's not an expensive item I consider restoring this device also says whether it's an adult whether it's a child automatically adjust itself it's just it's an amazing device and again we try to we're very aware of that instead of coming and say look we wanna buy for these things we try to space things out over years and then we just ask that if we started program like that we did it with the monitors you guys have been great we've got four years worth three years ago one two three four at least if we started we need to continue it until it's those

159done okay you guys have any questions on either to fire the ambulance sir we don't get that email we'll get you that email these get us that apparatus was very fun yup the schedule and we'll get you an email as far as what we would like prioritize on the capital please email me that presentation as well dropped your emails and again we thank you for your support we know you're behind us and we could do thank you I believe we're going to be deliberating capital on Monday we have to publish that agenda we'll get that up tomorrow so I invite not the whole fire fleet please only we have the room for it but if you guys do want to will be our Monday night we're doing a hangout Monday night I don't really have

160town one up here yeah okay okay and after budgets usually we can get everybody together you can work on that yeah awesome thank you very much thanks guys Thanks okay Candlewood company come on down [Music] my eyes only gonna be like three hours [Music] I am going to leave it some operators because I don't need to go through the whole background information on the calls they go on everything like I was like that because we respond to the same files I encourage that stuff just a little bit about us in like the police department I've talked to Sean about getting you guys all out there at some point again if you will I will make it it can be after your meeting also I can make it happen not on Monday night so we've had

161three of you guys now we'll get everybody else out there at some point with a bunch of finance professionals December through are just impossible I'm sorry well then the other muster nicer we can figure out on the boat oh wait what so we're looking at 18 Bay View Drive in the shores a lot of people don't know where we have there about 30 active members to class a pumpers a utility truck to fire rescue boats and we respond to all fire and EMS calls throughout the town our current apparatus we have an engine 1997 pumper a 2009 pumper and a utility truck that's 2015 plus two boats which we'll discuss I'm gonna breeze their operating budget because our increase was two point oh four percent or three thousand one hundred and fifteen dollars our electricity

162went up and we decreased in huge eating fuel due to a change in our eating system purchased already apparent testing went up only because it's a year older we reduced our training costs we have no members currently in firefighter one and our boat storage cost is going to go up we had a deal with echo Bay they sorted really cheap for us from two years the two years will be up next winter capital everyone's favorite favorite ball game apparatus reserve similar to headquarters and I don't need to beat a dead horse we can no longer afford apparatus with our stagnant fungi our fun drive income is about thirty eight thousand dollars a year with the increased cost of trucks we can't do that early we have been putting money in the town apparatus reserve now

163for about five years we did use a little bit out of it at one point when we bought when the town funded utility truck but we went over that budget and we used the apparatus reserve at that point to pay for the extras we had asked for three hundred thousand dollars which I'll get into and it was cut to 75 thousand dollars by the Board of Selectmen when we get to the bowl I'll describe a little more in your packets because I put it in my 11 copy three-hole punched packets our apparatus every placement plan is in that packet if you need an email let me know it's Prince difficult Lee you should be in that I believe if Prince difficulty so if it's easier for you to have an electronic version of it it

164goes out so long so get confusing let me know I will get it to you I thermal imaging camera we asked for $16,000 16 to 500 to replace two thermal imaging cameras that need replacement the parts are obsolete we can't repair them anymore that was cut we do have a FEMA grant out for it right now I put it in here knowing that if we don't get the FEMA grant next year we will be back asking for them again so I'm hoping on the FEMA grant installation upstairs attic is the second phase of our energy efficiency upgrade its $11,000 that was funded by the Board of Selectmen I would prefer we keep it in there our project isn't saving us that money we hope until we can finish insulating the rest of the attic and

165we will go through the same process with the three coats we use the town purchasing director I hope I use this title correctly one time so far it worked for something like this we will use them again so that price is driven down with his quotes obviously the talent now command vehicle ours we asked her $85,000 ours we asked for a little more money than headquarters just so everyone sees the difference of numbers we do not have the equipment currently to put in it so we have to buy all the equipment to put in for the same reasons they need it we need it and one extra reason why we need it we only have one vehicle right now that can tell our votes so if that both have to go to Lakeland no it

166foreboding emergency and the one vehicle that can tow is out of service the boat can't go anywhere so that's one of our main concerns from having it and I'm gonna get into the big-ticket item we had asked in our original budget for the town to fund two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for our new boat I should put the pictures in the beverage for its number some shoes it's not a regular boat I have our assistant Chief Jeff Duggars in here he will help answer any boat questions you have because he knows it we've been working on this project on getting Christ's dictionary six months now it's a long process but we're looking to replace a boat that was purchased in 2005 it's a custom-built boat with multiple uses we use it for fire suppression

167has an onboard pump on it all right so it can shoot water directly out of it as you've seen that fixture it can also feed hoses two houses on the shore so we have unlimited water from the lake to phenol it has the capability to assist with EMS and Lake emergencies drownings chicken rocks when people get injured the bow of the boat goes down so that patients can be loaded in and it has enough room on the boat so that the EMTs can work on the patients while on the boat and it's also used by the Brookfield dive team they trained on it so they can use it if they have to go rescue someone will recover someone from the league reasons it needs to be replaced it will increase the durability with the new

168design able to have an outboard map motor rather than jet drive right now we have a jet drive boat it doesn't work great in Canada like it just sucks up too much stuff in the bottom Louie's milfoil that's why it's stronger hi we do have issues right now with the home having fractures in it so the new book design would get rid of that that makes maintenance cost of the both have increased over four times since we bought the boat and what are those maitenance claws any value that to devote to resale to resell the boat we did look into what it would what we could possibly get for it it looks like we can get between ten to fifteen thousand dollars for it there isn't a huge we were the first people to have

169this boat around here so it's difficult to tell what resale that because there's no one to go off of a boat right there in that picture was the fifth in the country when we bought it in 2005 or showcased around the country Lowell Brookfield stood tall proud and now it's done it's time here with us and now there's newer technology out there that we learn from building this boat we can implement in the Evoque the maintenance cost is that we asked over the past just in the past three years we've spent five thousand five hundred and eighty thousand dollars on it overall in the what was it the fifteen years were estimating thirteen years we spent about twenty two thousand dollars so the older the boat gets we're definitely not boring besides the maintenance cost

170we spend a lot of time with the boat out of service right now with the milfoil we were out on Lakeland Oh with it and had to paddle it back because so the jet drive if anybody's not familiar with it it's an inboard engine and it basically is a gigantic vacuum it sucks the water up through the intake and then uses that water and diverts it out through the jet drive system or up through the firefighting system the concept is great it was there the company made a whole lot of money that patent this diverter valve we ran into the problem on can we lake with the MILF oil and when that vacuum is created and this milf oil creates a mat and blocks the intake and just doesn't allow the boat to function so

171the newer boat that we would have would have two outboard engines that would be able to significantly power the boat and then a separate firefighting system right now if we the engine goes down we can't drive it we can't fight fires so if we have the new vessel it will have to two engines to drive the boat and one engine to fight fires and just when we're designing this boat currently we are not doing it alone as a fire department we have worked with John publicity from the police department who runs their dive team and we've had echo Bay at our meetings to maintain maintains our boat so we are getting outside resources to help us design a boat that will function in casual age which leads me right into my next slide reasons the

172town needs Murray 25 we have the three largest marinas on candidly we have two of the largest lakes around here and the boat goes to both and we have numerous of the boat launches it's not about the quantity calls it's about the Cosby's yet without this boat when we have a fire on one of those Islands or a boat accident on candidly we have nothing to be able to use so you know you would respond to a call almost anywhere on the lake if call absolutely so why are we working with other fire departments in surrounding towns tell everybody chip in for this boat they all have their own boats they don't have the same boats with art capabilities that's on things so we've had one great phone it's shared by five pounds managing a

173joint piece of apparatus very difficult especially you not the manager will pay for it and they just chip in for me well then when they need the call and Sherman are in the Fairfield and our boat is way down here and they paying for it they extend a minute to be there I think that'd be I mean you could sell it you know be a self you know what happen anyway well mutual aid agreements anywhere I mean if there's a fire in a military Sherman will go there right now so they're not paying for our fire apparatus yeah but they're not going above and beyond like I know it's trivial but their budget for cutting the leaf fun so I'm here the concept is ground but they it was very fairly giving you a dolly

174actually did pay they have been good pay and they have a new first elect men they took another budget this year is just the paper yesterday they're not giving the lake money to Lake Authority money think about it not acquired by water given I believe it was in Milford who cut the amount of money okay I'm gonna give Billy what that means that they could just cut it it's the discussions piece of equipment that every town could use right that there's a limited number of fires were going after on the lake when was the last time you attack the fire from the lake on shore or a Boulevard Island fire either every year we seem to have at least one yeah one 202 it's a lot of money to fight one fire a year we're

175talking to you for a message yeah yeah yeah I still are Joe if somebody gets on my lady islands I see that I see that and I am gonna go back to we quote Steve tonight that when we come to buy a piece of apparatus it will be funded this is our first example of when we came to buy a piece of apparatus and it was cut I understand the budget struggles but it's why I have difficulty believing that year-over-year I can come back rayon or not and asked for money it was just said tonight I would get it but it was cut this year I understand the school cost I understand that the budget increase we get but dozens of requests that don't even make the budget that has differing down your apparatus requests

176we did put money in that as a town my personal opinion is this is a really nice great thing to have but given the cost of it and the amount of use we would get out of it that's it's a tough sell for me it really is $250,000 is a lot of money for something that has somewhat limited use on the lake I mean in a perfect world that we had on limited budget I say absolutely this is a great thing now you know what you will find in this year's budget what you will find with firefighting equipment is thankfully it often has limited use but it's in those limited times that it's necessary this is a specialized piece of equipment we have many specialized pieces of equipment here in town we have a two

177large bodies of water when I speak to vendors and explain can delay it takes them in five minutes to explain the size of Kenwood Lake it is unlike any other body of water in Connecticut probably in the Northeast we have an obligation to respond towards these out there when our tax payers call for the property owners that live along you know I'm going to give the issues with the existing booth or does it now and there's a couple on the jet drive itself on the concept it's underpowered for the vessel and the concept of the MILF oil and the other debris Zin in the lakes so that delays your your your response time or that in fact your reviewed sucks on a snowboard it's awesome Foucault Aikido can't go Bolton dead in the water I

178guess how does that so that's because it's just getting older and older and that it's just getting less efficient or design by thirteen years ago we didn't have as much benefit that's that now we have it all over the place we've got the carp in the lake and that seems to be working but that's a long-term fix I think we're still gonna have milk oil you over the next four or five years especially in the shallower areas like around our Beach what I mean just drugs just die on that stuff when we need to flow water to a shoreline maybe we need ideally like in this boat or in this picture tied up to a dock we can drag water in about three feet thank you draft water about three feet depth wise of water

179right there so on you need to make sure you've got clean water below you aside from the side of the engines what what are the other defenses between the two boats there's that we're still we like the on the concept of the job down valley it's the whole front of the bow it's a landing craft style vessel so the whole front of the bow eight hour boat will drop down it makes very easy patient access for us in the water or on land instead of trying to pull back board or somebody up over the whole of oh you have water level access to them this boat the aluminum in it was a very very weak and very thin the newer boats the way their design is completely different we have stress fractures in the bottom

180of that hole right now where we take on water we've had to weld it and weld it naturally water seeps in more bilge pumps are continuously running on that boat when it's in the water I'm gonna ask and it might be too late because we have a you know have to make the final determination by Monday but similar to some other capital projects in town that were one that work that were big much bigger than this there was no second there was no options there it was all or nothing is there a lesser boat without the drop down for instance unless of all that a different material that might be less money that we could consider more than just that boat or nothing I can do the to act the same way that our current

181boat does what we're proposing is is the only option I can assure you that this is the we have seen boats that are upwards 500 to a million dollars us downsizing from what we've been seeing and visiting has been a project we are building a boat appropriate for Kenwood Lake we're building a 24 26 foot vessel not a 30 to 40 foot vessel we're not enclosing a cab with climate control we are doing a t-top standard center console with really nothing too fancy about this we have radio communication to all five surrounding towns as well as Danbury hospital we've had paramedics working patients on that boat and in touch with a doctor standing in the ER it's amazing what this boat can do we can go out in the middle of the night and make

182that the lake the scene area of a boating accident look like a football stadium we need these tools in order to Oh how long have you projected the need for this boat like last year did you know about this yeah it was our apparatus replacement last year to replace it this year when we present our apparatus replacement last year it was in there for this boat to replace this church well I don't see anything in last year's I see truck reserve I see the inaudible investment it was projected in the average replacement format we submit with our budget it was in there - 250 buys the boat outright is all right now I think the big difference between the conversation that we had for a while with Andy is that it's a reserve that's being

183built up right and there's the theoretical part of well you said the town was going to cover it well you haven't asked for it yet so you can't tell me the town's not going to cover it right well ask we're to share in the Morse level cut it that's right but the big difference is just like your apparatus reserve in both fire companies you're asking for a little bit so you can build up to that purchase well here you're asking for a lunker of 250 now instead of asking for one 25 now and getting a hundred right and funding that through cash in two years right or yet in two years you have two hundred thousand let's say and then a $50,000 bond or something like that the big difference is this is an outright

184ask versus asking last year this year next year for a little bit of it well and we did ask last year and cut I don't see it in last year's file and we have everything in let us tell you we got money quote our reasoner fund last year for our brothers reserve and it was cut last year so I don't know what you're looking at but I promise you we did I'm looking at the big budget that was published last year I see truck reserve 25 yes I was happy so the truck was an apparatus sir the same it's semantics I don't remember any discussion about this boat last year and it wasn't in the budget even as an ask could we weren't asking for it last year we asked for money to be put

185in the reserve fund last year and our reserve fund was cut what I think that's the communique I think that what he's saying is the reserve apparatus covers boats trucks and everything so unless we cut that down we're not allowed me that's the difference so managed it wasn't brought up last year this boat was not brought up not reservedly last year was a small bonus on some appropriate answer yes yes because we gave them the small boat so they get in and out on special occasions this boat was not talked about but I think this is back to the managing the funds and the donations in this apparatus thing that we agreed to and I will agree with Stephen away I can see and I'll disagree with you Ryan unfortunately and a bad way but

186I'm saying this falls out of the scope of everyday use this is more specialized than what you needed what you said you have a real specialized piece of equipment this is beyond specialized you said there's ten in the nation when we first got it now I'm not saying we don't need it so don't look to me like and then say that but I think outside of our agreements that we made this is a piece of equipment that stands a little bit outside of that you're asking for we're not giving it it's not and every day and I know we don't use fire trucks every day so I heard you and I listen but I can see where this falls into a different category of a promise now it doesn't mean you can't work for it

187and work towards it I'm not just we have to decide that but I do believe that this is something a little bit more outside of an everyday ask most fire departments don't ask for go there are the lakes right so well the only responsibility - yeah I'm not disagreeing I'm just saying for the point of view of these agreements we have to hire these agreements I'm better is what I'm trying to say but I think this in fairness to here this Falls a little bit outside of that circle I'm asking for a piece of equipment and getting turned down I think it was a fire truck that is used on the roads doing every right to come back with that I know your side will disagree with you wholeheartedly if it's a fire shop give

188it's an ambulance if it's a boat they're all emergencies calls and when so now yes another one person could be me and I appreciate that so I mean I get added in towns that go on lake level unknown and Candlewood how many of them have this boat or folk similar to that okay so unless I agree with Glen that's a very special by the is race or not baby so we need the word either we're allergic yeah and I'll speak for myself on this if we are getting into a situation where the Board of Selectmen and the Board of Finance are telling us which piece of fire equipment we need we're going down a very slippery slope that's my feeling I think you need to look at a different view mind you have to convince

189both before and selectmen and the board finance that this is a piece of equipment that's absolutely required I don't feel that way right now this is not a carte blanche and say I want a two million dollar fire truck I want a six million dollar fire truck and if you don't give it to me you're a bad person I did that that's basically what you're saying slippery slope very simply you have to prove to the boards that this is a required piece of equipment I don't hear that I really don't what I do hear from Sean and from Dan and look at Glen is that this is a brand new request as far as the boards are concerned there's been no discussion on this and then we want to reserve for this boat going forward

190and maybe purchase it in two years or three years where we can put 75 thousand dollars a year away or whatever the board decides that makes it a much more pallet easier thing to do what we have been reserved it for you have not presented this boat to us I'm sorry but we've present it and our radish reserved for phii's now my question is just ours just a question out of curiosity so the apparatus reserved that we're putting money in cannot be used for this boat that's not what I'm saying you have never requested in the discussions at least for the last two years never has it been discussed that our apparatus reserves includes a $250,000 foe also we've ever talked about in that apparatus reserve and it says firetruck reserve is fire trucks I'm

191not saying we've not had the conversations but but let me jump in I got to disagree with you a little bit I know it's not really our choice to tell the experts of what they need to fight fires I agree all right but when you make that slippery slope I mean we don't tell doctors not operating we don't tell the Board of Education we don't you know what I'm saying I think it's up to them to decide so I think that maybe was a little misstep and I appreciate we're on the same page a little bit wrong but I do think that when they prioritize their equipment we have to take that into account off they're the ones on the front line they're the ones doing the battle and they know what they need you're

192right the boat hasn't been talked about it that's part of what we talked about what Andy we need to to look at this and have a separate meeting and really assess the fire department's needs we're growing is it time we're getting bigger we have different needs and we need to discuss a better plan going forward and make promises that we're going to fund the apparatus is where they can manage their money I agree with you 100% and with Senator company we've sat down and had lengthy conversations about every piece of equipment that they want when they want to replace it and why they need it we've never had that conversation about this boat except for tonight but it's time to have the conversation say it would bring it can I just throw something else in

193the mix I'm looking at the apparatus schedule and next year you're gonna ask for another 670,000 of capital expense the problem with with it is that we're not seeing a smooth increase you all are our apparatus and I was gonna guess that is is odd referring them because when you three places to up or a descent back-to-back years and then you'll see a gap we don't have to replace apparatus for about ten years right but then it jumps into a cost of a million dollars but when we think of this reserve we want you know see something smooth a similar amount of small increases each year afforded that than one of the posture here though or fortunately also and thanks to Steven before him this is the first time we've come to the town request

194not that not this year but recently is when we first started requesting money for the town so you're not gonna get that smooth increase at the beginning mm-hm we were gonna fair point that's fair so we it won't be smooth at the beginning because if the town is looking to assess which they're going to need to be it had to be the initial jump and then smooth because these requests never happened before recently it can I just make one suggest and then when I'm looking at this in your 20 29 2013 ein and you're you have these spikes you got to find a way to smooth that out over those 20 years it'll just it'll it'll just well why don't we help us yeah yeah absolutely to your fire department that's not a big Police

195Department it's not a paid finance department it's a volunteer seda maybe not have the skill sets and I'm not putting it down so don't say that way that maybe we need to help and that's part of this meeting right here's part of this getting in the Ryan and then Gary and Jeff to the table and another meeting and lay this out because maybe there's something that you see that they don't see and maybe there's ways Steve and Kimberly can help him because we sat down with every other department when we looked at long term capital and correct me if I wrong that with the police department sent out with the board of it the library committee we have it be fairness at that with the firemen and EMS and the emergency services to put down

196a good capital plan over ten years maybe we can help yeah there's no absolutely anything taking hope they're volunteers they're not getting no I would say we have that pretty well in place with center in EMS we know exactly what they want right yeah but fully funded your request except for the ambulances because we replace those every four years because we a lot of new members and when you got any difference she's also difficult to make it smooth when it gets cut one year because then you got it next year no I get it I guess if I can speak up on behalf of the center company and University Medical Services as of this boat this boat responds to what we call low frequency high risk events when this thing goes out the door okay

197it's not very often but it's a high risk events out on the water it's a serious call and I support their attempt to get this if they do it over a couple years or whatever you have to do to make it get to happen we may have we do use the boat alright again it doesn't go out all the time we have a very expensive lighter truck that does well very much but we need it okay and then the boat it can it could you can look it up this guy named Gordon Graham talks about this profession okay it's called low frequency high risk events and every time you spoke was out there but it's a boating accident or a fire or medical emergency all right that's what it is and it's the only piece

198that we have and definitely you know if we can support again I understand it has him to talk about and it's just kind of throwing it this year but if we support them a hundred percent in their venture to make this happen no without a doubt without a doubt I just can you be brought to another meeting and we lay it all out yeah the m50 says that you and an EMS have done it we incorporate Candlewood we lay out a plan that we maybe workout sensibly this isn't an hour discussion or a three-hour and that's what I'm say that it's good it came out but at this time in the budget that we're in it's difficult to approve hundred fifty thousand dollars without having a better discussion and I guess that's just my opinion

199I think it's needed I think it should be some talked about playing for but I'm not so sure how to get it in this year how's that I mean I think we need to sit down whatever a longer discussion we can have a series of workshops over the summer to go over this stuff I mean extra meeting outside workshops yeah right sit down and one of the summer meetings are pretty slow there isn't I mean first we go through every other department and we've done this we've gone through capitalism time is growing there's no doubt or not was growing right so and again they don't have the resources we need to sit down with Kimberly a little bit more and go through use the John or whoever we use and help them out the only

200thing I can tell you is that when someone picks up the phone and calls 911 one we have to have the solutions the answers absolutely where to get help or what we just can't stand there and say we can't help you that's just not in our nature that's not what we're for what that's not we're about and that's not what I responsibilities especially to help you and those two legs are the two largest lakes in Connecticut then your wish its we're not saying though I know initially I'm just telling you that we support their their venture in this and whatever you got to do to help them we're behind questions and he would have any questions about our budget we go back to the operating budget I think your operating budget is fine you know

201we've had the discussion it's clean it's clear you're just played all the increases why you need them I think it's it's a personal good thing it's fine that's of course luckily they do that's why we passed that's is it's it's improved drastically and more clarity to it over the last three years and we really appreciate you taking the time to do that makes it much easier for the courts anything else for our friends at the Candlewood Lake Fire Company okay thank you guys are there two more pictures before we adjourn touched on this a couple times we have some have some deadlines that are in place for next week if we want to have the the town and the capital vote on the same day at the same referendum we need to deliberate and vote

202the capital budget Monday night being that there are other commitments for other meetings and whatnots on Monday we're going to shoot to start at 7:30 so we can have a full complement of the board I will get that noticed I got to all 9 for every night next week just in case we need it okay Justin there's another snowstorm 2 percent snow maybe rain somewhere around there but good Wednesday maybe a little school many close the minutes of the bucket come here thank you thanks expensive we have yeah right so no generator so we have that and then I believe at our Wednesday deliberation we will also have a discussion in a possible motion to pass the passed the resolution for the referendum so we have we have some some business aside from deliberations and

203voting on the full budget I'm gonna knock out the Capitol on Monday I think we can also touch on education Monday night as well for the diet yeah eyes are in it yeah before the end of for the end of March so yes there'll be another special meeting on the calendar once the Audit Committee Scherz Scherz of that with management the auditor yep yep so we have a busy a busy march as advertised okay any questions comments or concerns any of that we had a question for Public Works update here's the updates for all the capital requests there's a package for each if you just want to take one in the present yeah okay thank you very much okay all right if there's nothing else I just wanted to ask me saw some emails go

204back and forth about how we wanted to approach the budget rather we wanted to go to line level detail did you guys have any other what's on it or Oh take it I mean if we're gonna go line by line you got to be prepared to live my life like I say I gave examples in my emails today are we willing to go to that detail of line by line and that's all if you're willing to do what we do it but I mean can I make a suggestion yeah everybody go to read the budget and if they've got any lines if they have concerns about then go over those lines if you're good with six lines out of seven on an apartment right just do the lines I don't know we didn't take a

205department by department and see what - we want to hit throughout that's worked in the past for you in the past we've gone line by line however the cuts have there I say been rather petty here and there and that's my takeaway right we want to we want to avoid that because it's very time consuming and you're talking $50 $100 $25 yeah we'd spend an hour on two hundred bucks right yes choose website I know I know you can't choose a kick fish neither's an all or nothing you can't choose one area and say oh we're not going to if you're gonna go line by line and I gave examples in my email today of tearing it apart and you can get down the line item to take five on our box side or you

206can review it and say you know broad sweep of travels 5% you know and we think yeah I just say be prepared understand so let's approach it at the department level and if anyone has anything that they want to go through for any of those lines we can certainly do that we'll go we'll go as nitty-gritty as anyone requests that we do I want to make sure that everyone has their thoughts out there questions answered and you know everyone's going to be around for another budget cycle so and what we haven't gotten I don't think and you can correct me if I'm wrong is last year we had a lot of discrepancies in the salaries and current salaries of budgeted salaries that's you can see on the budgets do we have all the salaries another

207thing I know we went through it last year again this is all corrected we had some mistakes and I'm not blaming anybody know that too late I'd like to attack anybody but I know never laugh here at 10:00 in the morning yeah that's all never bought I remember last year there was in the budget 68,000 and we found out it was 66,000 and then we moved it up it was 62% was already added in and then we added 2% on top of it is that all that it this year yeah go ahead if you look at it you look at the budget you can see the numbers we fix in the left ear they match and the request right now is the vast majority is 2% no just make sure those numbers are vetted that's

208all okay with those right yeah we'll talk about it for a couple minutes ashes at least we seventh that is it will get all the agendas posted tomorrow for next week 7:30 was just an idea of mine as we have a board member that has a commitment that probably last hour hour and a half's year so for this meeting before they have the chance okay all right if there's anything else in the context of the budget over now or if there's not all right I move to adjourn all those in favor well from carries six Oh at 10:23 [Music] you