001here. >> Tim White >> here. >> Sam Rosenberg absent. >> Stand for the pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. >> All right, I am going to pass this right over to Miss Taylor. >> Great. Perfect. Um, first off is public comment of which we have received none. So, we can just acknowledge that we have no uh public correspondence. And the only agenda item uh for tonight is talking about the capital expenditure plan. So, I know we've talked about this a few times. We this the timelines were bifurcated between the operating budget and the capital budget. Um, and we started these conversations. The town also has a piece of this where they shared the
002information that we need to um gather for them. We haven't received that yet. Uh their hope is to get this plan approved in July or August. So, we don't we're not going to have a motion tonight, but my hope is we can get year the year one plan in pretty good shape and talk about some of the potential referendum items and language. Uh so, when the time comes, we can have a a planning committee meeting with the motion to approve this, take it to the board, and then we'll be squared away for July. But we don't we don't have any motions tonight. So, what we'll talk about tonight um is, like I said, the year one plan. There were some asks from the committee last time about referendum language, the cost of certain referendum items
003to the taxpayers. And so, I I will go through that. Um and then we can talk about the overall outlay to of the five-year plan and any questions that people have about that. Um so, what I will start with is this one pager with our year one plan. We did talk about this last last time. Um, and so we haven't really changed this. Um, I know that the committee has had an opportunity to kind of digest this a little bit more since the last time we met. And so I wanted to share this with you. Now, when it says player plan one plan year one proposed, that doesn't mean the entire cost of the of the the plan um or of the item. You'd have to look in this larger 8 by14 to see the
004five-year cost outlay. Um, but this these are the pro uh the projects that we are prioritizing for year one. You'll see that it's $7.3 million. There are a few items on here that would need to go to referendum and that includes the loading dock for $874,000. That's on the first page. The synthetic turf field and track replacement for $2 million. We had a presentation by SLR. They we worked with them to do some of the initial design work. Uh we have window replacement for 500,000 at Cheshire High School. That's a multi-year project. The first two that we discuss that are on here 874 and 2 million are one one year and done. Um but the window replacement is part of a four-year plan um totaling about $ 1.9 million. And so those are the items
005that would be slated to go to referendum. While I have Rich here, our director of facilities, I wanted to give you the opportunity to ask him questions. and you know obviously he's got the expertise more so than me um about any of these projects. >> Um so we took a tour of some of the issues at the high school. Um do you have or is it possible to give an estimate and how long how much longer we can maintain scaffolding underneath a loading dock to make it safe? to keep it safe. >> To keep it safe, >> I mean, we do six-month inspections on the dunage. So, I think as long as we do that, if the dunage, you know, starts corroding and failing, then that would have to be replaced over time. Um, as
006I said, you know, when we were doing our walk through, fortunately, I I call it um it's it's not it's a although it's a heavily used loading dock, there's not a lot of load in what we what we do. If we had a tow motor operation or warehouse operation, yeah, that loading dock would be um more critical. U but it'll let you know it's been this way for this is the third year with the dunage in place. So I would anticipate it'll last a few more years, but >> as the clock keeps ticking, it degrades. Yeah, as you visually saw, it's >> it's it kind of it's kind of eye opening when you look at the exposed rebar and that's rusting out and you get obviously you get concerns for what's the what's going on
007inside the concrete. >> Yeah. And I mean sometimes, you know, it depends on the level of degradation. You can renovate it. You know, they actually route out the areas where the rebar is is, you know, located and they replace it and things like that, but it's just beyond that level of repair. So, it's a it's a as long as we have the dunage underneath it'll stay put, but you know, I think you could probably press two years would be pushing it. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, the the just the rebar when I touched it, the exposed rebar, it literally crumbled and I didn't touch it hard. I just >> and it fell to the ground. It's just turned into rust basically. And the problem when you have that kind of condition, like even
008if I try to put a patch, and we have in the past, it lasts like four months and then it falls off. There's no adherence. It just continues to degrade. It's >> Yeah. The other the other concern >> the the other concern I had is when we spoke and I um I had asked you about the unexposed rebar and you said it is degrading, not as fast. >> Correct. >> But it is still degrading. And just so you understand, I'm saying this also for the public. Absolutely. when they when they see it, so they understand what's going through my through my mind. >> Um, >> yeah, I I that it makes total sense to me that we need to do the loading dock >> or or or close it down and acknowledge like it doesn't
009work. That's I don't want to do that. So, >> operationally, you would not close it down. Yeah. >> And so um but we have the second related but different concern which is um colllocated with the loading dock and some flooding concerns there. So I'm curious, you've already done engineering >> on the entirety of that project. The flooding >> would it be possible to get new engineering done to look at just the loading dock without the flooding. >> Absolutely. >> Because I'm I'm thinking that the flooding aspect is probably at least a few hundred,000. Maybe not, but >> that's about right. >> Okay. So, that's that's what I'd like to uh see what those numbers would be without that in it and just the loading dock itself. And my question, we were talking about this as
010you were coming in, if we were to just if we were to separate the two of them and we just did the loading dock, we would have to redesign the lower lot anyway so we can get cars in and out at the same time. So down by the the the back stairs to the >> with extending the loading duct. kind of why they're the jobs are really, you know, one single unit is because as soon as you extend the loading dock, you're closing off that entry space. Yeah. >> If you just do the loading dock, there's only going to be one means of entry and egress into that other lot, which is going to be, you know, very difficult to manage. So, we'd have to come up with something either provide a secondary means of
011egress out of the parking lot that's going to have to be incorporated into loading dock jobs. So, I don't know how much that's going to cost, but say it's going to be uh 15 to 20% of renovating the entire parking lot correctly, you know, in order to accommodate that. So, >> and one more follow up on the if we were to separate the two of them to have that reddrafted, re-engineered, whatever, how much ballpark what would that cost us >> designwise? Yeah, I would I would allocate at least 50 50,000. >> Okay. So what that would look like um and we can come back to this is moving that 874 to a subsequent year putting 50 for design work. >> You'd have to allocate Yeah. design money. >> Yep. Um because we need to get
012that approved. We don't have any capital funding that could be applied for that design. So we'd have to wait and get that. >> Do you mean capital funding? Just because I know you have a construction engineer architectural budget. >> Yeah. We don't always use like the example being with the design work we did for the athletic but that was That was very small compared to 50k. We don't have 50k to use for this for next year. So it would have to come out of new new capital request. >> Um >> so one more question on it. The loading dock that we have now was it probably come out from the high school. I'll just say 15 feet or something. >> Maybe 15 or 20 >> 20T 20T. Um, and you're talking about extending it out
013further to which would effectively block off that correct driveway there. >> Correct. >> So, what is the what is the benefit of extending the loading dock out there? >> It allows us future opportunity to put refrigeration, freezers and refrigeration outside on the loading dock because we have no room in the school. So, if if uh she needs right now she's tight the food service is tight for refrigeration and freezer space. They're actually we have to my crew has to actually transport food from Highland to the high school daily because they don't have enough storage location. So instead of trying to renovate the interior of the building, you put them outside. You use outside units and then they would go on that loading dock. So it would serve as a you know place to store those
014or to put those and then plus the loading dock itself. Make it a little bigger. >> Okay. So I know we do that. I think Dodd has it outside. I don't know if any other schools do. Um, technically Dodd's the only one that has an outside one. >> So, and you may not be able to answer this question. I don't know if you would have any idea, but pro from a programming perspective. High school is not a peak population right now. >> No, >> it was before. So, and I don't know when. I'm probably I'll guess like 10 years ago or something. It goes a little little farther than well >> the school the school >> 2010 there was like 2005 to 20 2010 I think was >> 05 06 was I think the peak
015for the school system but I don't know when it hit the high school maybe five years later or something. >> Anyway, my what I'm just wondering is if we had a peak back then we have fewer kids now. That's what why do we need more refrigeration now? >> Because your menu's changed >> substantially. >> Yeah. there there's so many more options for the kids. >> They have they have several different lines with different options for them. It's not everybody's getting the same meal every day, >> right? It's not pizza and sloppy joe's like when we went to >> No, I don't know. And I'm sure this salad bar, there's a cold cut thing. >> The healthy food certification. So, a lot of those are refrigerated items or the local foods grant that um that Erica
016won. I think it was 50K this past year. like all of those require refrigeration. So yeah, the needs have changed and >> food service is much more complicated. >> No. Yeah, I'm not I'm not disagreeing. I was just curious like because I think other people wonder about this. >> I think conversely there's economy in purchasing food stocks in bulk >> as well. So if you >> if you're having it shipped every week, there's you know there's a cost to that. If she can store on site and ship monthly, that's a big savings. And I think this this also parlays into like your team is currently transporting Highland and it's your grounds team, right? >> I have one full-time person that's just handles supporting food service >> and so we weren't approved for an additional grounds
017person. Yes. >> Going into moving with Barnum and so the the impact is that we're having people do this transport work. We have more acreage and >> you have to take a grounds person and they're delivering food. crowns person is also we'd also they also serve as a courier service. So that's that's always been >> Yeah. So I >> So it's not I just don't have guys out there cutting grass. >> Yep. Yeah. >> We do they move furniture. They they do a whole slew of different >> courier service food delivery. >> But I think like also thinking about the economy when people are thinking, oh there's there's three grounds guys that are like cutting grass and that's all they're doing and this can support our growing our footprint. It's like, no, they're actually doing
018a ton of a ton of things. And so, >> okay, they've got a lot accomplished if you >> very lean, very lean team. >> Yep. >> Um, >> so I I say this I say this with all good intention. Would it be possible to ask Erica or even you, Rich, to to put something like on the back of a napkin about life cycle costs? like it if it's too complicated I get it >> for like freezer refrigerator. So, what you were saying before was not I don't know if it's life cycle cost, but it's more comprehensive costs, which is if you want to buy in volume, you're saving money. >> And then we could I'd be curious to see that positioned against additional refrigeration on the loading dock. And I'm not saying it has to
019like I'm not saying it has to equal or exceed that refrigeration, but I'm just curious like because we need to go to the voters and ask them to support this and if we could point out ways that uh costs were avoided if it was a meaningful cost. I mean, if it if it wasn't really that much, we have to we have to do the loading dock. Um but that's where my mind's at. I mean really the only savings and I'm speaking out loud which can be dangerous thing for me but um the cost elements are not interchangeable. So food service is their own their their own cost element. So the only savings on our side is that the board of ed wouldn't have to supplement their shortfall say if it occurred at the end of
020the year. So there's no direct savings. She she saves on food purchases. Y >> and correct me if I'm wrong on this, but she saves on food purchases in order to keep her budget down to make sure that she can provide the food services for all the students that are required by the state, which includes breakfast, lunch, and next year looks like it's going to be free, you know, for most kids eating breakfast, >> more kids consuming food. >> I mean, that's one of the reasons you'd have more refrigeration because you added breakfast. We didn't do breakfast over there. >> But what I'm saying is like those costs so far aren't borne by the board vet side. If if I'm sorry, >> I was going to ask a question about like loading dock lifespan because
021I think the refrigeration is a more long-term goal. Like Rich is is building a loading dock that can can house a refrigerated refrigeration if we get there so that we're not having this conversation in five years where a loading dock is not large enough. >> But I also wonder what is the lifespan of a loading dock? >> Oh yeah, how depending how it's constructed. Yeah. 50 to >> Yeah. >> 80 years I would say. So, we want a loading dock that can accommodate 50 to 80 years worth of potential. >> Yeah. I mean, 50 is a good number, you know, figure. >> Yeah. >> And we're ballpark around 50 now with that one. Or are we north of that? >> Uh, I think we're almost north of that. I'll have to get back to you.
022I'll get you an exact date. >> It looks exactly like I remember. >> Oh, no. It's It's Yeah, it's dated. >> Yeah. um if it would be possible to with I don't I'm not trying to kill you with like details that you're never going to be able to figure out, but if there is anything that's sort of like lowhanging fruit to look at avoided costs and I completely get the point about I've read something about breakfast possibly getting at likely getting added next year. >> Well, yeah. >> So, I I I completely understand that about expanding food services. I mean the other the other option too to try to reduce cost is I can ask for an add all to reduce the size of the loading dock. Not consider that we'll do outdoor refrigeration. So
023that might you know it'll be more cost effective but it'll just limit us limit us on future expansion. That's all that's another option. >> Well eventually the all these elementary kids that are >> that are here are going to get to the high school. Yeah, >> we're going to need the we're going to need the capacity. >> Yeah. >> And I believe and the the benefit of that also just want to add one more note that food services from their budget can obtain state grants so on so forth to acquire equipment which an outdoor freezer refrigerator combo would be qualified. >> So that wouldn't be out of our pocket. >> Okay. But they can't put that towards the loading dock though, right? No, it's got to be like appliances and equipment is all she can
024order. She can order combi oven, she can order a steamer, she can order a a freezer refrigerator combo >> and that she can pay for that. So there's opportunity there where it wouldn't impact, you know, the cost of construction. >> Yeah. No, thank you. I appreciate that. And I I think the point in my words, not your words, but I think what you were getting at before partly is that there's the school budget, it's $100 million, and then there's the cafeteria nutrition budget, and it's separate. >> Correct. >> And I'll just say, I've had this discussion with Vin, maybe with Jeff, too, and now with you. >> Um, I don't think there's any I don't think there's any uh person in town, taxpayer, voter, anybody who really gives a hoot. It's it's all part of
025the schools from their perspective. the cafeteria like like for the board of ed may not be our responsibility officially. It's what Vin always tells us, but I'm like that's ridiculous because if if a kid got if a kid died of food poisoning, >> it's our responsive ed >> catch. Yeah. So anyway, I understand there is a difference, but from my perspective and I the difference exists, but it's not that big of a deal. >> Yeah. And I was just I was just referencing as a as a function of cost allocation. Nothing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I appreciate that. >> Responsibility is responsibility. We own the whole the whole suitcase. >> Yeah. >> Um I think we'll we should come back to this as well because this is part of the referendum. So if we
026make a kind of in the next iteration of this, which will hopefully be the final iteration of this before we have a motion to approve for year one, um we should come back to this one because it sounds like it could go either way of design and pushing some of the cost or leaving as is. But regardless of what that is, we should probably look at a few of the other items. Yeah. >> Um on the year one to see how we feel about them. Right now we're at 7.3 million. Um last year the board of ed approved 5.04 million. Um that eventually got closer to 1 million because we had two failed referendum items. We were asked to cut it to like three million and then you know 1.6 of that failed at referendum.
027So really what we were left with was the playground, the fire alarm system at the high school. Um, and I believe there was and >> the fire sprinklers. >> Yes. >> System. >> So very very small. >> Do we have do we have oil tanks at any schools besides Norton which presumably is gone or effectively going to be gone. >> Dittle is the only one left and only because there's no gas service but that's a brand new system. >> But we just Yeah, we just put the oil tank in the past. >> 22. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> That's good for 40 years. Thank you. Yeah. >> Um, so if we're going down here, the the first we have Dittle, we have two there. The fire alarm control system with a a prior approval. >>
028Those are design dollars. >> That's design dollars. Um, and the overall cost of this first project is 580,000 um for working on some nonadressible system needs. 580,000. >> Well, that would be >> over the five years. >> Oh, got it. Over on here, >> year one. And you'll This is actually the It's row eight. >> Yeah. >> On the bigger one. >> I got it. >> Um but that's the overall outlay, but 30,000 for design work in year one. >> Uh >> thank you for including the row headers and column headers. It makes it easier. >> You know, sometimes I I hit it and sometimes I miss, but this is good today. Um and so the other one at Dittle is the stage renovation. So that's the second one on your year one. And then
029you can see row nine. That is a one-year project. So $250,000. It's an old old setup. I don't know how old. >> Um yeah, >> since I was there. >> Yeah, that's original. >> Yeah. >> So, uh any questions about the Dittle projects? Once we go through them, we can kind of do a a potential culling if if need be. >> Yeah. >> I'll just say I I do think uh improvements at Dittle are generally a they're a priority for me simply because the town we have two new schools and Highland and Dulo aren't. And I find it hard to believe that those schools which were, you know, supported by everybody in the town, I do believe that that has an impact on property values and I want to do what we can to keep
030Highland and Dittle um keep them upgraded uh to whatever extent we can because one of the I do think a big concern for people in town is property values. >> So, And those are the two dittle projects you'll I mean there aren't a lot of dittle projects because a lot of that is tied to the EPC, right? The air conditioning, the windows. So I removed them from this plan for this year because I know that we're still working on the EPC. So I, you know, we might need to bring them back in subsequent years, but at least for where we are now, um that's why do little is still light because a lot of this is reflected in the EPC. >> And so when you mention the EPC, you're talking about the energy performance contract,
031>> which I was just at a meeting. I don't you were there. the big ones. >> Um the total project now, we still have hurdles, >> at least one big one, >> but uh the total project now is listed at $55 million in improvements. And of all the buildings in town, all the schools, the one with the most check marks was >> Dittle. >> Um there's a lot to there's a lot to be done there. Uh so anyway, I just wanted to mention that in relation to what I said a second ago. >> Yeah. And that's been one of my concerns and I mentioned it to Emily is making sure that we get air conditioning over there because they're the only ones >> that's in there that's in the EPC. >> Okay. >> Sorry. >>
032No, no, you're good. The next one is Highland. So, the first is the electrical distribution. This uh shows up on your uh your big sheet. It says row 12. Um you'll see that that is actually a a two-year project totaling $350,000 total, but in the first year you see $50,000 for design work. Um Rich, you want to give a quick summary of that? >> Yeah, it's just I mean it's a 1970 building. It was designed uh prior to the advent of Smartboards, you know, chrome carts, things of that nature. So you basically have a single duplex outlet in each classroom, which is, you know, observably not enough. So, this design money would go towards ren, you know, remediating remediating that and try to get a a little better electrical service into the building. >> Just
033to be clear, did you just say each room in Highland basically has one outlet? >> It's probably more than that, but I'm just trying to >> I understand what you're saying. The point is is I get it. No, because everything gets plugged in now. >> Well, yeah. You also have Well, yeah. It's just not There's just not enough power in each of the classrooms to meet the technology standards that we have today. >> Sure. Um, the next project is the electrical service replacement for Highland. Um, not to be confused with electrical distribution, but Rich, >> so that's supplemental to uh a generator installation project that currently is approved. Um, we're short that amount of money in order to complete the project. >> So, and then every time we delay, it costs more. Dare I ask
034how much the original allocation was? >> So the original allocation was 275,000 to install a generator, but in the design phase and doing the due diligence, it was discovered that the switchboard, the preferred switchboard, which is no longer manufactured, needs to be replaced. So it's not just the generator, it's also the entire electrical service that needs to be replaced. And that's a 480 volt service. So, we I actually just repriced it um late last year and um yeah, we're short we're short about 150,000 in order to put the generator and a new switchboard in place. So, if the generator would if we elected not to put the generator as a board of ed, the switchboard would definitely have to be replaced. That's that's just a there's no avoiding that. we can we can make a
035decision on whether Highland, you know, if a generator is really required. Um, that's got to be a board of ed decision. Again, as with air conditioning, all of our other schools will have emergency backup power, and I don't think we want to leave Highland in alerts in the event that would happen. >> Did we ever get the interval demand meter for Highland? Because I thought you said we have a demand meter there. Maybe we don't, but >> well, we did a demand study, but we don't have a meter there full time. >> Was it? So, the demand the demand in the study, how did that match up with the generator that you're >> Yeah, that's what helped the size the generator. >> So, the generators it's it's appropriately sized for the demand. >> Yeah. So,
036the two big drives are obviously the air conditioning system, >> the rooftop units, and then the government freezer, which is the primary freezer for the entire district. So those three were the biggest draws and then you have you know some internal appliances that make so it can run it can run the whole school air conditioning >> just like the new elementary schools. Yeah. >> Yeah. The generator we want that's what our intent was is to >> okay >> be able to operate the school you know as if nothing happened. >> So you know major hurricane comes through we've got a cooling center. >> Is Highland one of our critical facilities? uh that that's actually defined. >> Was it I'm gonna say it is because I have not heard that it has come off that list.
037>> Okay. >> But it was used as a cooling center for Hurricane Iis. >> Okay. >> A few years back. So it was a town a town emergency center then. But again that's got to be that's got to be uh you know at least uh with the advent of the two new schools which will be 100% backed up. you know, will one of those schools become the new emergency center? So, that that needs to happen between the board of ed and the town to make that decision. >> Okay. Okay. So, um just I just want to understand this a little bit which is we got the air conditioning uh which if the hurricane hits in August, we could have that air conditioning running 247. >> Correct. >> Because it could be 80 degrees and disgusting
038humidity >> and so that's what it's there for. Then beyond that, we've got the refrigeration or freezer. Does a freezer run 24 hours a day? >> Oh, yeah. 24 hours. >> Because I mean, refrigerators don't >> freezer. It's a freezer. >> Freezer runs 24 hours. >> 800 cubic uh 800 square foot freezer. So, it's Yeah, it's big. >> What? Yeah, that is um what was the uh what was the third item that you mentioned? >> Just general indoor, you know, the indoor uh kitchen freezers and refrigerators that are bigger draws. >> LED lighting, not so much. life safety systems. I mean, they're small percentage, but >> Okay. No, the thing that I was just what was going through my mind is if there was any way to um because of the three things, two of
039them need to be able to run 24 hours a day. But the thing is like if you have, let's just say it's uh an electric car charger and air conditioning or a refrigerator called a refrigerator that doesn't run 24 hours a day. You could actually uh alternate those No, not a refrigerator. Do you shut your refrigerator off at home occasionally? >> Well, it's not that I unplug it, but it cycles on and off. You got to have the technology to do it. But that's all I was wondering about if any of these things could be off. >> It's still in refrigeration mode whether it's on or off, whether the compressor is running or not. >> Yeah, >> there's still a fan that's running. There's still air circulation that's you can't just shut off a refrigerator
040like every other hour and expect it to hold temperature. It doesn't work that way. of the of the three items of the three big items you mentioned, two of them have to be on all the time. And >> well, those are the biggest draws. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, I there's nothing there's no there's no obvious benefit to there's no obvious savings or cost avoidance there. That's all I was worried about >> by going with a smaller generator. >> Yes. >> No. Well, there is cost there are there is cost avoidance in doing that, but the the the dollar value is so marginal it's not why would you why would you bother? Okay. >> Yeah. Would be like buying a new car and you you're deciding whether uh you want a 2.4 L or
041a 2.8 L. >> Spend the money for a 2.8 L whether you need it or not. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's going to benefit you in the in the future. >> But we did look at that. We looked at trying to go with a smaller generator to see if we could economize it. It's It's just not worth it. >> Did you happen to look at batteries at all? >> Not Tim. >> Okay. I don't have the land space for batteries. >> Okay. >> And plus, now they're going to put canopies in part of the ESCO. There's going to be canopies in the parking lot. So now I have even less space >> for solar. >> Unless you can talk the police department of giving over. >> Oh, Highland. You're talking about Highland because that was
042the only one doing it. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. Highland >> because like we were saying we weren't going to do it, but yeah, Highland the one that has a >> car. You're talking about the solar p the car. >> Canopy solar panel. We got a carports. Highland is I think scheduled to >> that's the only one. The other schools didn't have any. >> They tried to put them at the new schools but building committee said no. >> Yeah. >> So that's Highland. Um one thing I'll say here too is I'll get you guys the other copy. I filtered this. So this is the projects that had money allocated in year one. That's why the rows you'll see that sometimes there's gaps because I just I didn't include things that weren't for part
043of this year. But the totals at the top are correct for the year outlay. That includes all the projects. But I I'll make sure that this is unfiltered for you uh in my follow-up email. So uh the next two items are Norton. You're going to see this item actually at Norton and Barnum. So these are for a storage building. So uh Rich briefly touched on that in the on the tour um back when we were near the facilities the the size of the I asked the size comparable >> for the for the new schools because there's no storage. >> Yep. >> And some power equipment. So Rich, I don't know if you want to share anything about Norton and I think they're the same. So all of these So all of these um actually I
044think the power equipment >> is more and Norton is on 100. >> Yeah. But I I believe uh that was that's been approved by the building committee. So that might come off your list here. >> Okay. >> The Norton storage building. We're just putting that that there as a placeholder. That's also in front of the um the next generation school building committee. So they're going to have to tackle that in the next next few weeks. >> Great. So I'll double check on the $100,000 for the power equipment. Did they approve it for Barnum as well? >> They're both for Norand. >> I'll double check because if that's the case, the answer is yes. Okay, great. >> So those four items, storage, building, power equipment, both schools is gone. >> No, no, for the power. >>
045Oh, sorry. Next one. >> So $145,000 total between Barnum and Norton that I'm going to remove. >> So the Barnum's on the back. It's the last item. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Just double check within. I'm pretty sure that I'm pretty sure that that's the case. But assuming that's the case, that's $145,000 less the seven. So that brings it just below uh $7 million if we get rid of those. Uh the next one is the stage renovations at Dodd. Um I would like to personally voice my concern about the stage at Dodd. I don't know if anyone has walked up there. Um it's in pretty bad shape. Uh like huge slivers of wood are missing. Kids are trying to act Yes. Um I I will try to pull up a picture on my phone. Um but
046it's it's very it's very very poor condition at this point. >> It's uh it's an old parkquet floor. >> Um and it's been sanded so many times that it's down to wood shavings. >> So now it's delaminating. But I would agree I would voice my agreement with Emily that this would be a high priority item because uh it's it is becoming a safety item. And uh we did price it for the past two years. So we know that that number is is good, but Norton does need a a new stage surface. Um unfortunately it also includes a baitment. So does it is there a So I'm just looking at the details here. So I completely understand the point you're making. Does the other stuff do we get any sort of like cost benefit by doing
047the drapes, the lights, the sound system at the same time? >> That would be all part Yeah, that would be all it would be nice to include all of that. So that would be a 100% renovation, but I don't know if that 250 includes that. I don't I don't know that. >> Okay. And the simple reason I'm asking is just the budget. I know if I was on the council, I >> there's there's need and then there's, you know, the potential benefit of like a cost savings from doing a larger project. >> We can live a few years without a new curtain and new lights. The floor is that's a top priority that's going to be renovated. >> Okay. So, I'm not sure I'm I'm not sure about the detail if that includes the drapes.
048The drapes are pretty expensive because they're fire rated. You know, they have to be well actually fireproof. >> Okay. >> So, those those tend to be costly plus all the hardware. And then now if you're starting to talk about stage lighting, you know, if you get something simple off of Amazon, it should be relatively cheap. But, you know, that's not going to happen. >> It's going to be elaborate. >> Tried to find the picture. I'll be able I'll I'll see how I named it, but you'll huge piece of splinter um coming off and then dad window replacement. So >> that's yeah design work. >> Design work. Yep. The overall this is a um well actually we have design work. >> Yep. Athletic field upgrade is designed as well >> but the window renovations I might
049have this actually interestingly this is one of the ones where we put design work in this year and this got deferred because it's 3.875. It's a big project. Well, that's >> and right now we're sitting is in the year six through 10 projects. >> So, um that was at the request of the town last year to make this year 6 through 10 columns where we kind of parked some items, but I am sharing that with you. >> So, do we need the 75 now for something in year 6 through 10 or are we hoping to move that up? I think that's a that is a decision for the planning committee, but I I do think they're too far apart right now. Obviously, Rich, I don't know if you wanted to add any. >> Oh, yeah.
050I mean, in addition to in addition to design, uh we also get a probable cost of construction, which validates the 3.6 to make sure it's not 5.6. So, it serves, you know, >> the 3.875 >> that whatever. Yeah. >> Okay. I just want to make sure it was looking but I mean, you know, that the three the 3.875 I mean that's a that's a a ballpark estimate. So that window wall system at DOT is pretty extensive. So we're you know we're trying to make an trying to make assumptions that maybe we can sit you know be able to reuse the frame or not. So uh if we can't reuse the frame then that whole side of the building gets replaced. So it could be relatively expensive. Um but at least to have a design in
051place you know you'll have a design the due diligence will have been completed on existing conditions and then a probable uh construction cost estimate will give you the right number you know so say it comes in 3.875 and we've got to kick this thing down the road to year six. Do we have to how do we get a a more current number as we get closer to that? they just add we add a 3 to 5% escalation cost every time we do this exercise >> to try to keep pace with it. But windows are you know if you price windows they they've gone up 30% in the last you know 3 years. So, it's hard to try to make an estimate specific to, you know, a system or a product, but at least if we
052put at least a small percentage of cost escalation, we kind of, you know, stay with it for a better lack of uh of terms. >> Um, is there a So, you want to replace the windows. >> Yeah. >> Is there is there anything is it mechanical failures? Are the kids freezing in the winter and like boiling in the >> windows? Yeah, windows are the first the entire school is not climate controlled. So, we did a we did some major improvements on heating. So, that has helped offset the windows. But yeah, if when the next five degree day, we'll take a we can take a ride over. You can see it yourself. >> The wind blows and you know it's blowing because you're sitting 10 feet inside and you can feel it blow against your face.
053It's not good. >> Yeah. >> It's in a It's in failure mode. It's, you know, it's aged. >> I think when I see that number $4 million, the first thing I want to do is have a conversation with the council >> because school modernization is still in front of us. And $4 million is $4 million six years out. Let's just say that's what it is. That to me is a >> modernization question before we spend $75,000. >> Yeah. on a new in year, you know, this year for a new design or review of it. >> I mean, we've updated the heating plants. Uh, although the main heating plants will need update in probably the next 5 years, but the roof is pretty much 100% all set for that'll carry us for the next 15 years.
054So, that's good. Um, so there's been a lot of improvements over the years, but the windows are the windows are in rough shape. the spandro panels are all either buckling or fading and it needs to it needs I'm sure when the system was brand new it was spectacular but after you know 30 years >> plus it just deteriorates >> I get it I understand yeah I'm not I'm not questioning whether it needs to be done it's just what's the path to get there >> yeah no I agree if it's a school modernization is a big key a big part of that >> um obviously come back to that one once we kind of go through this once again. The next one for Dodd is the athletic field upgrade. Um so some design work in year
055one that's the $50,000 and actually in year three at $300,000 uh is put in. Um and we have that renovating the or upper and lower fields, replacing existing back stop with a regulation back stop netting. Renovating dugouts, add fence protection and bleachers plus turf improvements. place store shed at Upper Field. >> The big the big dollar item for that. So, this is for civil design. The big dollar in that is that lower field that it's >> that thing's flooded forever, right? >> Well, it was built in a in a wetlands. So, >> Oh god. >> Um it's not there's no um um there's no active drainage system, >> you know, to keep that dry. So that part of that design effort would be to look at that to see what's possible whether is it just
056as simple as adding a drainage system is it does the field have to be elevated but yeah it's not a I would have not selected that location to put a ball field but >> I literally >> we have it we have it we have it we have to deal with it >> I have the memory from Dodd where it was like we always use the upper field and the lower field >> never went down there was just >> if it's uh I mean if it's too if you know if it's too wet I can't even mow the field. That's >> Yeah. No, I mean I remember like I didn't realize it was wetland but I remember seeing puddles like all over it without a lot of rain necessarily. >> Yeah. It's a it's a tough
057it's a tough space. So that's what that those funds are for. >> The question relate is just colllocated with that and it's not ours but the tennis courts. Do you know if those are >> it's kind of an abomination right now. >> Those are town property. They should be there should be a race. >> There's Yeah, there's like growing in there at this point. There's a lot of >> the fencing parts of the fencing are collapsed. Branches that had fallen. >> Should be should be demo. >> We actually looked at that as a potential reunification site and you know like if the kids needed to evacuate the building cuz it's kind of far enough it's it's out of eyesight and you can pick up on rolling acres and we can't because there it's it's just
058completely overrun with vegetation. Yeah. >> That's the towns. That's not ours. >> That's not ours. I actually don't know if that's the town's either or that's part of the >> But it is the town. >> It's not a hoa. >> It's not a Okay. >> No, the town owns it. >> Yeah, >> the top surprised they let it go. >> Nobody. >> It's a terrible place. It's a terrible location. Number one, there's no parking. >> There's a parking lot. >> There is parking. >> Where's their parking lot for two cars? >> No, >> there's only two courts there. There's enough parking cars. >> Two cars. >> Or did Dodd play tennis? I don't remember. Did they have a tennis team? >> I don't remember. I don't know. I don't >> a very long time ago
059I can recall that they were actually using it but that was >> well we certainly were using it and it was upkept but um >> I mean that's back in the days of >> I mean you know they were probably using that but that's fell to disrepair and it should be that whole area should be scrubbed. >> Okay. So but you haven't heard any any update from parks and wreck about that. Okay. >> It's abandoned. I guess the thing that goes through my mind is if it is effectively abandoned, they're not going to turn into pickle ball courts because that's what people >> I think there was I think there that discussion did happen, but I think because parking is a problem, they elected not to do that. >> Yeah. I'm just wondering if there's
060anything that the schools would benefit from there. I mean, it's I think it's two two fullsize tennis courts anyway. >> It is. It is. >> Uh all right, on to Cheshure High School. So, we saw a bunch of these today. So, I'll I'll kind of go through them and we can ask additional questions. But the the first is the minor kitchen renovation. Uh that is a one-year one and done project or actually two. We split it 250 250. Talked about the hood system um needing to be replaced. Um so, we have that one. We have the facilities garage which would be the $50,000 is for design work with an overall value of $400,000 for the five-year project. We have the loading dock, the turf, the greenhouse demolition, and the windows replacement. And then at the
061bottom of the page, you'll see some snow removal equipment and grounds maintenance and repairs equipment. Um, some the next page is facility services garage, some code compliance. And so I know I went through those quickly just because we were on tour. So I'll open it up for other questions that people have about those projects at the high school. The 35,000 for code compliance is to install a fire alarm system, which currently doesn't exist in that maintenance garage. >> So >> we don't have a >> No, sir, we do not. So there's a fire would require a fire alarm system and then a uh CO2 evacuation system. So that would include >> How have we not had to do that before? >> Was built in 1980 and >> Oh my god. >> It wasn't required and
062it was built and we inherited it. >> Wow. Well, didn't we have no fire alarm in Norton school for the last 20 or 30 years? >> Well, we had one. >> We had one. It didn't work. Sprinklers sprinklers. >> The sprinklers. >> And Darcy fail. >> Darcy Darcy has no sprinklers. >> No, their grandfather did, >> which blows my mind. >> Yes. >> You have a school with no sprinklers. >> Um, let me see. So, the So, I'm looking at uh the facilities facility services garage 400,000. So, includes things like >> this is what we were talking about which is a a roof over >> metal. Yeah. >> Over some of the >> like a carport >> raw materials you have to use. So for like plowing and winter storage >> what you have now
063is it's open >> so it gets covered in 2 ft of snow and then you can't do anything with the next storm. Dig it out. We dig it out and pull the tarp back. >> If you get a cover it's going to be a lot easier. >> It's very tough. It's very tough on staff especially this past winter. Um, and it's been on our radar for a while. >> Oh, we got I mean, we got lucky for three or four years with almost nothing >> or we had some ice storms. We didn't have any foot plus storms. >> Well, yeah, but we had we've had a half a foot storms and things of that nature. So, yeah, it it uh >> it makes it does make a difference regardless of the amount of snow you
064get. >> And the So, the kitchen renovation is what we were talking about. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, >> I think we saw all of these. >> The greenhouse demolition is >> Wait, I do you want to do that right now? Do we need to do that right now or could get that could that get pushed out? Is there a reason to >> It's been pushed out. So, um I think I think when we when we go through this list again, there's a like, you know, um >> I think that if you ask the high school principal, he would say yes because there's kind of a a you know, some climbing concerns. Um with But, you know, overall, will it stay another year? >> Yes. >> Okay. I'm just I'm just >> It's not going
065to collapse. >> No. Tomorrow. No. >> Okay. And it's it's low. >> No, I mean, you know, if it if there's a danger, a few years back, we had, you know, roofing, you know, roofing failed. We repaired that. I mean, it's not going to we're not going to just leave it there to rot away, is >> an appendage no longer used. We maintain it and >> yeah, it's and it's >> it's just not utilized. >> It's locked and it's also the entryway is through a staff office. So, it's not an easily accessible space. So, >> um, so I, as I mentioned when we were walking around the window replacement, I realize I don't want to gum up the works with a performance contract, but if you could at least ask about that, like I mean,
066if we could because that's in my mind that's what it's for is to basically do um these sorts of projects. We don't have to I think most voters would agree windows get replaced. They're what, 40 or 50 years old is what you're looking at. >> 40 50 year old windows. Um, if we could bake it right into the performance contract, I think that would be great. We already have Windows in there anyway because that's what these things are designed for. >> But again, I don't want to gum up the works on a much bigger project >> and windows will be a never ending requirement. >> Yeah. >> The brand new windows on the new edition that was completed in 2000, >> they're only 20 plus years old. >> Those windows need to be replaced already.
067So, I mean, it just it's never ending. It's like owning a house. You just got to keep spending more money. >> Yeah. And I think you know we're looking at if you look back at DOD that's 3.8 right for windows when we talk about school modernization. Yeah. You know the high school 1.9. So these are bigger projects on older buildings. So >> uh all right. Anything else about the high school or the maintenance area facility services before we get into districtwide projects? Okay. Uh so for district-wide projects, you'll see uh none of these are referendum level items, but the first one is inter interior exterior door replacement. Uh this is overall a three-year outlay for a total of $300,000 with $100,000 in year one. So these are fire doors, classroom doors, and hardware. Um worst
068first basis. So lots of door repairs across the district. Um, we have some masonry repairs. So, in year one, that's $150,000, but the total five-year value of the project is $450,000. Um, Rich, I don't know if you want to say anything about the masonry or any hot spot areas. >> Well, masonry restoration, I mean, we've started actually actively doing restoration probably about eight years ago. So we've we've it's amazing the amount of brick facade we've saved in that amount of time. It's expensive. Repointing is not it's a labor intensive activity, but it protects it's an exterior part of the building. It's critical part of the building. It has to be maintained. It would be nice if it was all vinyl siding, but you know, it's not. It's all brick facade and that weathers and deteriorates.
069So, that's something we try to pick away at. You know, spending uh that kind of money every summer I think has uh has had some benefit. >> Um the next is roof repair, $125,000 in year one, but over all $375,000. Um and then we have acoustical ceiling tile, $300,000 in year one, $500,000 over the course of five years. Um, we have the elementary school playground equipment replacement. So, we were approved at $250,000. We've requested um $250,000 more in year one and then in year three for a total ask of $500,000. Uh, I will say with this one, do you want to talk about >> uh are expensive? >> Yeah. So, we uh we uh I actually um went through CROGC and then what's the other uh Omnia >> to try to get some uh preferred
070pricing. So, we did we got design uh build assessment for the upper playground at Dittle School. >> Uh which I thought that 250 was going to be rather close and we were 50,000 off. It came in at 300,000. So, um that's a job right now. I'm trying to have it repriced to have local site contractors be able to do a portion of it to try to bring it within budget, but I'm not confident. But, um, just equipment, playground equipment installation, um, is about $170,000. So, equipment pieces are as much as 50 and $60,000. It's absolutely incredible the cost, but that's that's kind of what it is. >> Yeah. So this is the rendering for Dittle. I'm sorry it's small. I can pass this >> over. But um >> I think that a question here is
071this >> this is the upper one upper playground on the upper lot. >> So this capital plan was put together before this the totals came out and the estimates came out. So I think there's a question here of you know we had split 250 and 250 but do we want to combine that for the you know actual potential cost of dittle like combine that into one year? Um, >> wait a second. SP for me because and I'll just point out this referendum required doesn't make sense to me because it's two different schools which I figured would not be combined to the referendum district. >> Oh, playgrounds for the whole district. >> So there is a potential that we separate and say do a little playground I guess. >> So that really needs to be kind
072of be re-evaluated because now Chapman, Darcy and the old Martin have gone away. So the new schools have brand new playgrounds. So really it's only going to be dittle and highland that are going to need renovation. >> So I guess a uh potential strategy is saying you know because we have the design for dittle is making this specific to do little >> under $500,000. Um >> I mean that's the way most projects work, isn't it? >> They wouldn't normally go through districtwide. They go through what we were looking before. So that like that just doesn't make sense to me to do it like that. >> Yep. Um, >> I don't know what bond council says. >> Well, whatever they say. >> The problem, the problem, the reason why we do that is to allow us
073flexibility. >> Yeah. >> Because maybe we're just replacing playground pieces where we could use, you know, a capital allocation. Otherwise, if you dedicated to a school, we're pigeonholding to that school. So, for instance, do little is already over budget. So I'm no, you know, but if it was if it was, you know, say if it was a half and half and I could replace, you know, 40% at Dittle and 60% at Highland, I would be allowed to do that the way this is set up as a district-wide. >> Yeah, >> that's the reason why we we allocated it districtwide. >> If we did just do a little What would be the dollar value you would put in there to cover? >> That's just the upper playground was 300,000. >> That's what I was wondering. the
074fire playground and the rear is even larger. So, yeah, you're going to you're going to spend a little money. >> Okay. >> But I guess then I'm wondering if the is that right now you're looking at 250 for Dittle and 250 for Highland. >> No, it would be we would need we would need 250 plus another 100,000 to cover Dittle. >> That playground is $300,000. >> Yes. >> And a lot of that, what was it? 90 is the site work. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, the the playground itself is 210. >> What is the base? >> Uh Yeah. Engineered wood fiber. >> So it's it's not like the >> So that so if you ever take a ride over there right now it's a roughly a foot above elevation >> which is the parking lot.
075>> It's got to be excavated to a foot below. >> So two feet of excavation basically. >> Roughly. Yeah. Roughly. And it's mulch >> but it's also degraded mulch. That's >> that's freaking 250 cubic yards that have to be moved and hauled off site and disposed of. And I have to bring in at least 150 yards to replace it. >> Oh my god. >> So the labor machinery. Yeah. $100,000 is just removing mulch. >> Yeah. It's it's an expensive endeavor. I guess when a kid falls off the playground equipment, they have to have a cushion to land on. >> Yeah. No, >> of all of that in order to certify the playground. That's part of the certification is re refurbishing all of that. >> Wow. >> Um, so right now you're looking at 500. How
076much are you thinking in your mind? What's the dittle part and the Highland part? >> Because I'm just wondering if it would make more sense to just do Highland. That's not enough for Highland. >> What? 500 is not enough for >> Oh, 500 total. >> I'm just wondering if we did Highland and it doesn't need to go out to referendum because this is how it goes through my mind. And then Dittle, if we have to do the lower D is and then the whole number over 500 goes out to referendum. >> I understand where where you're coming from. Dittle, unfortunately, is in worse condition. So, Highland just got renovated. We had at least a section >> re renovated a year ago. So, at least that'll hold them over for a little while. But that the
077on the south end playground that large piece of equipment that assembly >> there's a huge assembly with cross >> runs a big line right along the school. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. >> That may be like an 85 $95,000 piece of equipment just purchase price >> and then there's a bunch of other stuff >> and then you got to install. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. >> So does does the upper and lower playgrounds or do little exceed 500,000? >> Oh. Oh yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. But at least we're starting somewhere. >> Yeah. So the the potential here could be to separate the two because that's where we'd probably >> from a funding perspective. >> Yes. Saying and and one might hit referendum at some point. But if we separate them, then we could put
078a one-year project in for do little to at least try to accomplish that upper playground without hitting the referendum value in year one. Right. If we put like 400,000 >> and make it little playground. Yes. >> Yeah. So year one would be yeah you know 150,000 >> I would say I would say the numbers >> potentially 400,000 if you're going to do the dittle playground right >> plus the rear you mean in its entirety >> no I don't think we're going to but >> we have a hard we have a hard number for the upper playground so it's about 300,000 >> and do we want to prioritize considering Highland just got some playground do we want to prioritize that do a little project for just the upper Doodles in worse shape. >> Yeah. Doodles. Yeah.
079>> Makes sense to me. >> Yeah. >> And then that dollar value, you want to put >> three >> for the rest of the playground. >> No, for do do a little upper. >> Boy, you're I'm getting confused here. >> Do a little upper. What What's the value you put in for the one year if you were to just do the do a little the quote we got from? >> Yeah, like 310 I would put. So that'll give us a little bit of >> Okay. >> a little bit of uh >> contingency fun >> cushion contingency. Um and then potentially separating Highland and putting that in a subsequent year. >> Yeah. Uh my only I think my confusion is we already have 250,000 allocated. >> Yeah. So do we need to put 310? >> But
080if we go to three and we have it already allocated, we're going to have to go to referendum, right? >> No, you have 250 already allocated in the pot. So in order to do do a little upper playground, you really need only like another 50 60,000. >> So that's why I'm confused. >> Oh, I understand what you're saying. to keep it in the district >> to keep it well to keep it in this at this cost allocation. >> You need 310,000 to do the upper playground at Dittle. You already have two 250 that is authorized or whatever the word is. Correct. So, you just need an incremental 60. >> So, we need to put >> in order to Yeah. In order >> to get the upper playground at Dittle in year one, we need to
081put 240 to keep it under referendum. >> That'll bring it to $490,000 if we do district. >> That's what I'm saying. I I hear what you're saying. >> That would give you money to play with somewhere else. Yes. And eventually this will have to go to referendum. Not in year one, >> right? >> I mean, that's for the planning committee to decide, but ultimately in my what I would suggest is allocate enough money to do the dittle upper playground because whatever the balance is in order to stay at 490 and under the referendum, it's not going to be enough. >> Okay. >> It's not going to be enough. >> Yeah. And I just to be clear, if you put 60 or 70 in, that's all we need right now. the rear the south the south
082playground at Highland will probably be in the $500 to $700,000 range. >> The other dittle section the what I call the south section or lower playground will be probably in the $600,000 range. It's inc. Yeah, it's just uh >> it's Yeah, it's absolutely it's absolutely insane. And that the most could frustrating part for me is I could have a brand new piece of equipment installed that's two years old. I will not find a single contractor that will remove that piece of equipment, reinstall it, and reertify it. So once that happens, it's >> the warranty the warranty is broken as soon as it the equipment has to be certified. So it has to be certified for safety. Has to be there state statutes that require certification, annual certification. Tom Park has to do the same thing.
083Park and Wreck has to do the same thing with their playground equipment. But you can install a swing set last year and if it has to be removed, it's garbage. You got to throw it out. You got to install a brand new set. >> Even if you use the same contractor, >> that's insane. That doesn't make any sense to me. >> It is. It's >> I just figured they would just charge more and be like, "Okay, it was 100,000 install last year. It'll be 150,000 to install this year. That way we make a bigger profit." They have to certify the installation. It's their insurance. It's their liability. >> I know, but if they certified it once, they wouldn't certain >> if if if uh yeah, well, we could have a off offline conversation, but yeah,
084there's a whole slew of liability issues. And I I asked the same questions. I said it's absolutely insane, but that's the way that's what it is. And and just to be clear, it's not like I it's not as though I want to um skirt any of the referendums or anything like that, but where I was coming from is we're defining it in this way districtwide. When I look at it, I'm like, it's school specific. >> It makes sense to me to do stuff by school. >> Absolutely. >> I understand the point that you're making about more flexibility, but we're also only looking at the two schools now. >> So there's less flexibility even desired from my perspective. >> Agreed. Uh, a few other things on the list here are some flooring replacement, $200,000. Um, total
085value, $600,000 over the course of five years. Repaving. Um, this is $250,000 in year one, but a million dollars over the course of five years. We have laboratory improvements. This there was money already approved, 115,000. We've requested 285 in year one for about $1.6 6 million over the course of five years. Um and then fire sprinkler system 150 in year one 550 uh 550,000 over the course of five years. Um I will say with the fire sprinkler uh there's also some locker replacement as well. But with the fire fire sprinkler system um we did take a hit this year replacing the Norton sprinklers. Um so that that account, you know, is less $40,000. a system that will be demolished in a few months. Uh so those are the districtwide projects. Um I don't know if
086there's any other questions about those, but I figure we can kind of go through the list again and figure out where we want to potentially re reorganize um for year one and then we can talk about some of the referendum items um with some of the requests that there were last planning committee meeting. So, any questions about districtwide >> on the repaving? Is there any stuff is there anything that needs to be done right now? One of the things that goes through my mind is like the uh where we just were at the high school with uh the loading dock was it probably 50 yards down below the loading dock is a storm drain that's effectively kind of collapsing. Not to the point of being unsafe, but you can see where it's just settling. Um,
087and that relates directly to the access in that parking lot. Is there is there anything that needs to be done this year or in the next whatever 12 months or so? And I'm just simply wondering about the council just pushing stuff out like that's it because repaving it needs to happen. And I'm glad like the roads we basically have like a 20 year a 20-year road project where it's just do 5% of the roads every year because we know it cost $2 million. So I'm I'm completely support the idea of just like um maintaining everything on an ongoing basis bit by bit. Um but just wondering if that needs to if there is any repaving that needs to be done. >> Yeah. Highland and the high school Highland is not in good shape and the
088high school uh certain sections of the lots are not in in good shape, but we we do spend a fair amount of money in crack ceiling and trying to at least keep it waterproof as much as we possibly can to extend the life of it. But >> yeah, >> I mean, if you've seen the alligator cracking and like Highland for instance, it's pretty expensive. So, >> it might be cheaper to repave it than it is to crack sealer. You know, we're getting to that point. >> I'm curious about the the road that leads the driveway that leads into Highland Castle Glenn Road. >> Weeks. So, that is a town road. >> That is a town road. >> Okay. Mine is private. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, we So, the schools start right at the parking
089lot where it basically starts where it's okay. >> Where the stop sign is to >> Okay. >> And there is a town capital project about expanding Weeks Road and adding turning lane, but that's not on our capital. And I think it's been deferred a little bit. >> Okay. >> When we're talking about Weeks Road. >> Yeah. Hasn't it? Like I think it was supposed to start this summer, but I don't Yeah. I don't I don't >> I thought it was deferred to be uh to run in conjunction with the state traffic signal renovations that they're going to do again for the second time in three years. >> They're already marking it out. So, but I have to follow up with uh the engineering department. I was under the understanding that that was going to happen
090this summer, but >> Well, that's great. >> It certainly would help if it if it did. >> Um, so I'm wondering if knowing that, you know, the board of ed ultimately approved like a little north of 5 million last year for capital projects. looking at this list, uh, you know, kind of piggybacking off Tim, you asking like is this a year one priority? If there's a overall number that you all are looking to get to or if we just want to kind of go one by one and see which of these projects feel like a year one. Um, and obviously we have Rich here who can help us with prioritization. But I don't know if it's an overall number or we just want to look and see what we feel. we've already prioritized at the
091board like on our end um you know as much as we could. Um so >> yeah no I appreciate that. I mean I don't have I don't have an overall number that I'm that I have in mind. >> No >> I mean the council the council might the taxing authority >> no one no one has shared any information with us that I'm aware of. >> So to me it's just project by project and just giving them an honest assessment of like what what can reasonably get kicked out and what's urgent. I know. I know you do it every year. I'm just >> asking the questions. >> A rack and stack. >> Yeah. >> And uh Arnum, the power equipment you said is gone. >> I'm going to double check that with VIN, but like let's
092assume that it is. >> I'm 90% sure that >> I think they approved the power equipment that we requested. >> And then the storage building is >> that's place. Oh, that might get approved too by the NGSBC. Okay. Okay. I mean, I think I I think I shared my thoughts in general. I don't know that I said something about everything. Like I see flooring here in the district-wide and flooring to me is probably similar to parking lot repaving. >> We got to do it. >> Yeah. >> But it doesn't necessarily have to be done. And I don't want to kick maintenance down the road like five years just to avoid a tax increase or minimize taxes. But at the same time, I think this year is, and I don't even know how this would play
093in. This might hit taxes the following year. I forget the timing on the capital budget versus the operating budget, but generally speaking, what we're looking at right now with the operating budget is a big tax increase. So, just looking for opportunities to minimize additional tax increases, particularly at this moment in time. >> Uh well, let's start with our big big projects then, right? Um with some heavy here. Yeah, we have turf two million right now. Um, >> I'm I'm all for pushing it forward, >> keeping it in your one. >> Yeah, I'm hoping. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah. >> And the hope here is next time we meet, like I've taken all of these suggestions and we're in a place to to vote to approve. So, I know that this is not obviously a motion,
094but they will go into the final, >> you know. So, I think that the ones at the high school that the big ticket items that the the loading dock, the turf and the windows should be in year one. >> Now, the question if we're talking about the the loading dock, you know, we had the 874 allocated assuming design work. So, there was a question of do we redesign it, push this amount back into year two, and then put $50,000 in year one um for a redesign where we're just looking at redesigning the the loading dock, separating the storm drainage and the the bottom of that parking lot. So, >> to me, I don't want to throw away $50,000. You know, I think that if we can kill two birds with one stone, If we do
095the if we do the loading dock, we're going to have to do something with the parking lot anyway because there's only one way in and one way out. So, if we can if we have to do them both at the same time, I think it would probably better to do it that way than, you know, cherry rigging the the parking lot with the, you know, the drains that are there are dry wells, which I, you know, I was down there for 40 years. I had no idea, you know. So, I think it would be good to just get that whole thing going. >> Yeah. And I'm not I'm not like actively opposing this by any means. Um, I just I guess I'm wondering about alternatives to I don't want to I the voters said no
096once. I think having a lot of referenda go out at the same time is a problem. But while we're sitting here right now today, I wonder how many referend are going to go out this year. I have no idea. >> No idea. >> And the thing that goes through my mind is as an example, I may have said this before, but like we get hit with a major flood in the next few weeks. Totally possible. I have no idea. It's April, May, we could get hit. We could have a few bridges blow out and $500,000 a piece. They're all going out to referendum and it is necessary because they're on the verge of collapse. Like where we are right now. I don't even think the town manager of public works would necessarily know what will
097what will be recommended for going to referendum uh this fall. And that's that's in the back of my mind. I don't want to spend $50,000 on it either. Um, but I also don't I don't know that that I don't know that sending that 874 back out again is I don't know that the result will be any different this year. >> I think there was the way it was worded that it was a south parking lot and I think a lot of people thought that's that the student lot. We're gonna we don't need to spend money on a student lot. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. I agree. I guess the thing that goes through my mind for both the loading dock and the turf is or the fe the track and field is for me
098to support it. I just need to know we have a real plan to actually explain this to people. >> Yeah. and like like >> which we talked about in planning last year, but it never all of a sudden do anything with the turf and >> all of a sudden it's going out to referendum and I I didn't know it was going to be on referendum until I got the little thing flyer in the mail. >> Yeah, it would because that's not the that's not the standard operating procedure that this stuff goes to the council picks it up and runs with it. It's just not. So, it's really frustrating, but I I really want to know that >> I think if we're proactive about >> getting the word out there, >> I I do I agree.
099I think that that could happen. And I guess the thing for me is that I need to know that I want to know that there is a plan to explain this to people, including like a road show like Jeff did with the schools. >> Yeah. like actually go to the PTAs, go to Rotary, go to whoever it might be that's willing to listen to us, listen to an explanation on why this needs >> all the sports, all the music programs, you know, all the band kids that are going to be out there. >> Yeah. Everybody else, too. I mean, it's we if it's just if it's just the school kids, it's that's not a majority of the town. Like >> the track, you know, how many people are down there walking on that track? >>
100Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's heavily used. >> Yeah, >> I think that I think that it I do think that it it with better awareness of the board's concerns that you and I share that staff share. Um I think it could pass, but I need to know that we're going to make something and I'm I'm okay participating in it, too. >> Y >> but it's >> Yeah, >> I need to know that there's some sort of plan. Otherwise, I think it's like >> I'm not going to say it. >> Yeah. So, what I'll do for our our next meeting where we hopefully put a motion forward. I'll put two potential plans forward. One where we've deferred this year and one where this is in year one as a referendum item. Um I do think
101this is a really tricky year for like a road show with all of the redistricting um and retirements. And so I I I certainly do not want to overcommit and say like I'm I but I just think it's a really tricky year for us to do that. And so if the strategy is let's push this off a year and then let's let's sit with the turf and let that be the referendum item. Um, I think that there is more support for the turf from other organizations that can can help here and put us in a different position. So, what I'll do is I'll just put two different like cost models together. So, >> so so split the the voting dock and the turf >> that I'm saying I'll show both, right? So, like one wherever
102we get to next time, we're both on the referendum. I will say on here I did like a very rough like referendum items and kind of wrote the details. Um I we're not going to have time because we got probably like about five minutes before we have to adjourn. But uh a question that you all asked was what is the overall val what is the cost of the taxpayer um mill rates? I use this year's mill rates because we have not finalized next year. >> Um but the you know assuming this year's mill rate of 29.74 if we're talking about the loading dock that's the cost to the taxpayer is about $22 for every um 100k assessed. Um, and for the turf, if we approved for $2 million, it's about $50 for every 100k assessed.
103So, you got a $400,000 house, you're paying about $200 for the the turf. >> So, one question on that. Uh, the $400,000 house, is that the 70% or the 100%. Do you know what I'm talking about? >> Sorry. What? >> The assessed value of the house. Yeah, the assessment. >> Just want to make sure. So, so if that's the what's the assess? >> Yeah, I would think it's assessed. That's what she used. No, I'm using just the no rate. Like I I like this is this is a I would say this is a very like rough like kind of the back of the napkin like this is not like with bonding and all of all of that considered but like you know when we talk about the grants with like the budget workshop where we
104say you know the value of the grants is this is the value to the taxpayer that's the same modeling I used here. Um okay but so like I don't want these to be like words to live by. This is I'm not signing this in blood, but just as a general, >> it's a better description than what orig $200 to you. >> So, what's the average house in Cheshure now? 500,000. >> I think four I mean I've heard four, but I I can check with Sean Kimble about. >> So, I'm just I'm just going to go with 500,000 to keep it simple. >> 410 last night. >> Is that the assessed value? That's the medium house value. So no, >> so assessed value is going to be less than 70%. So that's times 120. So that's
105like 290. Call it 300 300,000. >> So for the track it would be $150 per year, an extra 10, 12, 13 bucks. >> So they're looking at a mill three almost 33 almost 33. >> Yeah. >> From what? What is it? >> 29.74. Sorry I can't interject but no sitting please like this >> you're getting added to the attendance list. >> Okay. >> Um but yeah so again like very rough but kind of providing a different lens to look at this by. Um >> but it's probably for my for my own purposes the average house is probably 100k times three 300,000 >> of assessed value. Okay. Um, and then like I kind of put descriptions here that are lengthier than what's here, but this is what I need to do is when the town documents
106come out, the details that I put in ultimately color what is put in the referendum. So, you know, I've provided a description here. We can talk more in depth. Um, being mindful of being mindful of the time here. Um, like I said, I'll I'll provide the two different models with the uh loading dock, but I think are there any other items that strike you as like, you know, I don't really want to push this forward in year one. Any other concerns you have? >> Um, >> the other referendum item would be the windows at the high school. >> The things that I want to get through, make sure we get all the code compliance stuff, all the fire safety stuff. >> Okay, >> that has to stay in your one. >> Tim, what about you?
107Anything off or staying on? >> So, >> quick question. >> Yeah. >> Uh, line 54 describe projects fire safety code compliance 5-year proposed total is 550. >> Yes. >> Should that be a referendum item? >> Um, I >> or will it hit when we when we get there? We have to >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. So that we can do the 150 and >> Okay. Sorry. >> Tim, thoughts anything or >> I don't think I have anything more to add than what I had said. >> Is there anything you want to see come off year one? >> Um I thought there was well like the the 75,000 for the window replacement. >> Okay. Like pushing that further. Yep. Anything else? All sorry to rush but I know we're kind of hitting our >> We get
108We get to go upstairs for another one. >> Yes, that's right. >> No, I would just say if there if there is any chance to do like Windows with the EPC I wrote that down as a as a follow-up item. Yeah. >> A followup about the um just confirming the power equipment. Um >> and then you said you're going to come back with some sort of thoughts on the turf and the loading dock. >> Yes. So I'll I'll provide two different models for that next time we meet. Um and I really can't schedule anything with us until I have more clarity about when the town's going to release all of this. So, I would love to do this sooner rather than later, but we got to kind of wait until I have more information from
109them. >> Okay. >> Yeah. No. Anything else? >> I don't think I Oh, one thing actually, just a question. So, like sidewalks, who does our sidewalks? Is it the town or does do the schools take care of >> It's on property. We take care of it. >> It is. >> Okay. Well, so I don't I mean I guess the sidewalks adjacent to roads like >> Well, if it was a road sidewalk, yeah, the town will take care of. >> But if it's a sidewalk inside the school grounds, you take care of it. Okay. >> There are plenty of them. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Highland school on weeks. Is that the towns or is that ours? >> Technically all those properties are town properties. So it's who wants to manage >> the the area.
110So typically Weeks Road is is a town property until the stop sign. >> Yeah. But that sidewalk is kind of hidden and you know it goes off into the woods. >> Yeah. They would say that it was probably ours. >> Yeah. >> Then you would say it's theirs. >> Even though even though it's a town road and town property, the police department and it's right in between. >> Yeah. I have a good relationship with all the engineering department and public works. So if there's an issue, you know, they they help us out, you know, they can. I get But um you know we try to put a boundaries on whose responsibility are for obvious reasons >> but yeah and at the end of the day you know. >> Yeah. >> One of us or both
111of us figure it out. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So we're clearing the sidewalk in in the snow. >> In the snow we do. Yeah. We do all of that. Yeah. >> And um yeah road sidewalks as well. >> Yeah. >> Anything along the street if it's on bounds the school property we take care of it. Okay. And then some >> sometimes with your neighbors properties too. >> All right. Motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. All in favor? I. We are adjourned. All right.