Policy Committee 12-2-24

001uh Mr II here Dr herrian here Mr grippo here Mr chair you have a qu standedge Al to the flag of the United States of America the stands indivisible any members of the audience seeing none so um at a previous meeting I think two meetings ago actually there was a fair amount of dialogue around uh Gaggle and how does our technology work in the district what can somebody get access to not get access to uh from a student perspective and um I offered up expert testimony and it doesn't get more expert than our guest this evening our director of Technology Mike popup welcome right thank you thank you for that outstanding introduction um I just have a quick handout just regarding it's an overview from gaggle of kind of what we've captured this year from

002the start of school um into the present just a very high level over here I think that'll help us um we can have some conversations based on the different categories on there so first let me say it's my pleasure to come and speak to you guys anytime you want or reach out if you have any technology questions I've been the technology director here for 27 plus years and I'm very very proud of what we provide to our students in terms of uh technology I do like to say I'm not embarrassed to say I think we have the best uh technology offerings of any school system in Connecticut on a very limited budget if you will so so regarding gagle Gaggle uh is a Safety Management program and what it does is it monitors the kids

003Google Drive accounts so when they log in as J Smith chesher K12 C us that instance of Google docs and spreadsheets and email and all that is monitored by gag so if there are words words it's AI generated right but if it picks something up that it finds objectionable it will go to a live human being and that's the difference between this and other Safety Management Programs the human being will then intervene and say we're going to classify it as this and based on what it's classified as certain people would be alerted the principle in the worst case of a PSS or a possible student situation imminent danger to themselves to others those calls go directly to the police department and to the principal at the high school or typically the high school um Jeff

004get alerts so it's a layer of insight into this whole world that they play in all the time looking for certain things that that may may may or not be of concern um worst case is a kid uses bad language fourth or fifth grade they'll get a a message and the principal will get a message and then you know maybe you start a conversation ese if there's a pattern so um it it ties directly in with um you know our SEO initiative so the one thing to remember is it's only monitoring their Google instance if they're on their phone obviously or somewhere else it's not going to so the human interaction part is nice because it eliminates the false positives so if you're a principal and you're getting 20 of these a week and 19

005of them are like bogus or whatever it's hard to you know it's a CED wolf type situation so the human being intervention is kid goes on a hunting trip with his dad right shoot something there's blood there's a dead carcass blah blah blah clearly someone could determine that that's what that incident was even though there's a whole bunch of keywords that would throw Flags so that's the beauty of Gaggle we have it for all of our students and um all of our students email is checked as well so we start emailing grades three so Board of Ed members are 12 just students administrators just students so the way we have our gagle set up is there's little um organizational units they're calling everybody gag only resides on the student organizational units is what how it

006breaks down so is it outgoing emails or incom any email any email could be something you write in a Google doc kids will open up a Google document and they'll share it like they're working collaborative collaboratively and there'll be a little box now you have like a chat feature it also monitors that kids have been bullied via a shared Google dog yeah so really y unfortunately creative yeah yeah so if you look at the the report quick total flagged items 77,000 since since July actionable incidents 90 so the first one the 77,000 what I referred to someone using inap language right the other 90 actionable incidents those were things where someone got alerted that it needed to be looked into looked into if you look at the on the right side under PSS two there

007was two PSS that were violence toward others so those were immediately looked into Police Department got a call um when you get in a report of an incident it includes all the pertinent information as far as like emergency contacts and stuff like that so we have had instances where we' had to you know the police have gone to to students homes and it's great that we have the cooperation of the police when we first started this God got 10 years ago we kind of had anou with the with the PD to enter into this and that's it was very it was something very revolutionary that even gagle hadn't done before one of the big things was what happens when I get an alert at 1:2 in the morning right you know and and I live

008in Madison or what you know whatever it may be so having that local presence there with with an immediate resp resp is uh is is fantastic so does um so you know a lot of U well almost all of school work kind of goes through Google Classroom so if they're in the middle of so you said that it monitors uh chat features in collaborative documents right so does that also mean that if a student is in the middle of uh a form of creative writing or something like that that is also monitored so if they're writing a fictional piece that entails keyword that's also flag you know that like as a high school principal you know when students are doing that work because you'll get a spat of gaggles in a pretty shorts pan and

009you read them and you all right you just know and at this point you know our administrators have been there long enough they know the time of year we just passed it uh in the fall where kids were writing more of those I mean you got to be careful because you can't afford to make a mistake and have it be something legitimate so you review it but you know you tend to see them fall in that unit yeah as you're saying your monitors like in chat or comments it monitors every keystroke that's made in that and very very few people have access to this information gagle doesn't store it or whatever but we have it here and very few people have access to the actual incidents some cases in the incident when it's a qon

010after it's resolved it'll say why it was flagged and then it will say this was a fical narrative written by a student or whatever so so the AI portion of it is great and that's obviously come a long way even though they were using this AI 10 years ago it's the safety team that reviews these things and if they get one that's a PSS they're on it and they're they're calling texting whatever until they get a hold of a human being that's going to deal with this it's it's a internet yeah and you can see like there are a lot of things that get screened but you know in the first you know from July 1st it's not a lot of usage over the summer but through 1120 a couple of weeks ago there were

011two possible student situations those were the highest um tier response that we have too and they're possible student situations so it doesn't mean they definitively are but the you know something that is high enough on the scale that it it you know could potentially be so that we get notified the ones below that are called cuon which stands for questionable content I like to to to refer to those kind of as conversation starters so there's a report that goes out to the principles each month of the incidents and then it also ranks kind of the students at set situations now if there's a student in your class that maybe is not the kid you would expect to see on this list you're like wow I've never really seen anything from this kid on gagle but

012he said three cucon in the last month that's a conversation start so the the principal gets an actual list list of names with with it they'll get the list of incidents and on the incidents who kind of had most and how they're ranked so it might be a kid that you're like wait it's not I want to say ranked but the number of the frequency the frequency the number correct correct not in degree of severity and you can see what was written may have conversation never really had problems at all if you was something going on blah blah blah it really is a proactive tool as opposed to something happens and then that and then we react to it so it's um it it served us well one other thing that gagle offers is called

013the gagle speakup it's like an anonymous tip line we have that as well some things come in through that could be a parent member of the community another student totally Anonymous they can do it from the Chromebook they can text they can call so it's a more of a digital tip line than than some of the things we've had in the past where there's aest box you that one lit up with our teacher incident people from all over calling and saying things yes they got flagged on to speak up people from throughout the I I think it's um incredible in incredible information that's good to have are those suicide and self harm sure um those numbers are actually pretty high and if we can catch those in instances before but keep in mind 16 of

014those could have been writing an essay on suicide prevention oh you don't know it gets flagged and then sent forward just to be double checked and so you know as much as these things the questionable content comes up yeah if it was somebody writing a plan for suicide that would be a possible student sit situation and we'd be notified immediately um so questionable content you know that's different something you want to pay attention to but possible student situation I mean that's that's serious at that point but all students are aware that they're being monitored right MH they they know about gang they'll talk about it open right well well cuz I'm just you know I appreciate the you know what I mean the ideation of suicide and stuff like that would you the only reason

015why you'd be running on your school computer is to let someone know right could be a flag yeah it could be you want the hope and it's good yeah yeah yeah or some kids are just just not paying attention which is unfortunate because you really need to know where you are and where you're where you're storing your dat right exactly there's I can imagine you a chat like that a chat could light up like that yeah I'm GNA kill you yeah you know when they because you did something stupid in class like yeah this so we get that and you know we evaluate it know the difference and act this is where one additional measure obviously we have you know active adult supervision when these kids are on their devices and there's other layers within

016Google and with within other you know security products we have that also limit students filtering one thing we use a program called iboss so things are filtered out different searches different keywords different abili you talk bit about iboss yeah yeah how that works yep so ibos is a is a is a web filter so certain things are blacklisted and every day it updates itself and you know it tries to stay ahead of it but new sites are always created so um you know uh sites with objectional content gambling drugs sex things like that would be blocked um every once in a while a good site might get blocked and a teacher can submit that request we check it out get approval as long as it's okay then we put it on a white list and

017we allow it every once in a while one might get through that should have been blocked and they let us know we can manually add that to a blacklist but just another layer of protection now that's only available through our Wi-Fi network right no that actually does so if you're on my home home network it'll block it to yes yes it has a the proxy the traffic is what it's called but it goes back through there and the same rules would apply and that's where it gets a little bit confusing so it monitor your cheser K12 C us account as a student correct you go home and maybe not your Chromebook but you log on to your mom's MacBook but you log in as yourself as ches kol CC us it's going to get filtered

018so got calls why are you filtering my personal device it's not device filtering it's all based on that account so it's kind of kind of odd why why am I getting blocked because maybe the kid leaves it logged in as him then the parent goes to do something and it gets blocked and blocked by treasure Public Schools that's why obviously it's it's there's a lot of levels of complexity to uh to this that I so on a Chromebook if they logged in on their personal Gmail they can't they can't it's lock down to chesher K12 CT us okay yeah the Chromebooks are Fant fantastic I mean revolutionize what we do I never thought I would see the day when we gave every kid prek through 12 their own device right that's kind of where we're

019at right now it's it's allowed us to do so much at such a reasonable cost that something like gagle you're give all these kids devices or whatever in my opinion you have to have some kind of Safety Management thing you know to to to help you through it and we're way ahead of the game as far as that's concerned so yeah but as much as we have one to one availability elementary students aren't taking home their Chromebook like not everybody's got but they have a cart that they can access at certain points not a Shar C you have to go get the second grade C it's appropriate to you use your instruction you have that resource available to you so seventh grade when they start taking taking them home Yeahs home and if they take

020their Chromebooks home and they don't log into their school account they can log into other stuff you can't you can't log into the Chromebook without logging into your that's the only way you can get on your Chromebook okay yeah yeah it's a brick without that we we turn off the because those Chromebooks are all managed by cheser public schools there's no guest access there's no Anonymous login there's nothing like that it's purpose built just for that and we can get a lot of data on the other end when it was logged in who logged in all that type of stuff so there's a lot of other things just in the Google admin console that we get with the Chromebooks so and the big thing that so taking those Chromebooks out of school doesn't doesn't do

021anything you can log into your Google account on your phone yeah so the big thing is with all of this is data privacy which we take very seriously where's the data where does it get stored who can access it so even like this gagle data which why it's very very um very very restricted and students are allowed to store unlimited storage after they graduate we give them a grace period of like a year or something they can go and they can zip their whole folder and they can extract it and they can put it you know wherever they want so they can take stuff with them so we don't save it forever so on our main website under um you know cheser public schools for parents digital citizenship and student privacy we have a whole

022website dedicated to you know all the information around student privacy that you know parents students can look up every piece of software that we need that we use we get a privacy pledge and a signed contract from that vendor that states where the data is where it resides to terminate that contract that they need to delete all the data and give us our data back so it doesn't just end up you know end up out there so how long have we been doing that what's that the data privacy state passed the law five years ago yeah I was going to say five years five six years ago which was which was was good it was a lot of work to get to that point but it is a it is a great idea so this

023is on our website like if you are under our privacy compliance you can see you know every software that we use in the district is there subject grade level approve and then what's the Privacy State status is any software you know everything from Adobe and ad block to ABC reading you know free app that maybe teacher wanted so we evaluate it and make it available ones that are on here that say NPI it does not collect personally identifiable information kids are not loging in is anonymous yeah yeah if there's a a data breach we post it here this was January was the last one we had you know so there's a lot of um information available on our website you know dedicated to the student privacy piece our digital citizenship Online safety curriculum different strategies

024so these are the resources that repr provide on the on the board of that side you know from like a curricular student centered level there are also backend things that we do in our data center fir walls other type of malware threat detection type of things that I don't even want to pretend that I could speak intelligently that's exactly how they work but we do have all of those things in place there's a program called Art of wolf there's a program called Sentinel one all of those are monitoring for malware and things like that but for instance we get regular reports about when we have the you know we've had several Russian attacks denial service attack where they fledge your network we had a rash of people that were trying to do a d dos

025it's called of chesh public schools don't ask me why um but we were for some reason I like to attack schools you know why because there's student data there that's not protected and if I can get with the student serial number um um Social Security numbers and things like that these are kids that don't even have a credit report yet right it's like virgin data so I think that might be a big reason but we block entire countries through our fly wall we block China we block bellarus we block these other countries where any traffic that comes from there is just B so there's things that take place at another another level to to keep stuff from even getting in and trying to harvest any information malware and things like that so so you've heard

026from like the micro down to the student level you know how we employ Gaggle to try and make sure our kids are safe you know personally interpersonally up to the you know macro level where it's like denial of service attacks from a country uh or originating out of another country so um kind of gives you a sense of the breadth of what Mike and our our team deals with um certainly you know he's here to answer any questions you guys might have or if you have any questions you know certainly you can ask me and we'll get Mike to either come back or answer the question for you I think um the how this conversation got started is we talked about personal device using School Wi-Fi is there any effect on a device like that

027at all no so in a personal device and and by the way we don't have we don't allow students to bring their own devices because we give them one although we don't have something oh okay yeah oh putting up their phone on our Network yeah okay so I don't know why they would but if they did so when anyone joins our Network that it's not the they they join the device on their own like as a guest if you want there you there's a prompt that comes up says I'm a student or a staff member there's another one that says I'm a guest when you click on I'm a guest your device goes into a guest role more filtered less priority for your you know for your traffic to uh to do whatever but you're

028on our network with just kind of the basics you're still filtered you're filtered actually a lot more heavily so that network is available for guest access so yes a student could put their phone on there but they can not put their phone on there and have access to anything right that's and that's really the case for most our kids that coming to school you know this one of the few Silver Linings at chesher high school it's like you know you could survive the nuclear Holocaust let alone get 5G service in there in a lot of places you can't there's like nothing in there kid takes the phone makes it a wireless Hotpot then connects up with their device now they have unfettered internet access however on our Chromebook they don't because no matter where they

029go they have the same still have to log on to our device we're controlling everything that we have control over obviously there's things that are just that are just outside of our you know outside of our control yeah yeah but we prefer you know not what we prefer students should be only be using their Chromebook that's a device that we give them to do what they need to do in the ches public schools or whatever every once in a while I get a call that someone wants to bring their MacBook in or whatever it may be and I explain to them why they need to use that device cuz a and we're also able to monitor it we have another device that comes in on the outside now teacher in class and she has a

030kid and she can't see what's going on in their device we have a software that allows them to monitor the classroom full the Chromebooks too so you can see from your Chromebook you can see their screen from your screen it's a program called go guardian we put in what it allows the teacher to do is also to to to set the class um you can set what's called a scene so Sam teaching a class and we're going to go to like these two websites and we're going to open up Google docs to write a paper on it and maybe you know one other source when they log in based on their class period on that class when they walk into that class they log in they get those four tabs and that's it you can't

031go anywhere else you're captive so you can access the resources you need and write your paper but you can't go searching on random sites so so that's a great feature through guard go teachers can see their screens if they see that you're doing something they can simply lock your screen and walk over to you hey Mark what's going on right do theud and it captures it too so if the parents said well my kid wasn't doing that in class like here's a picture do the students know when the teacher is is watching is there something on the screen that shows up like if I'm not sure but they should be under the premise that there always are yeah if everyone's using it yeah and allows teachers to canol you know there's there's one way to

032look at it like I don't want them to to wander other places but there's kids might might legitimately get lost and they're not trying to then I can look at them like you look like you need some help and and getting back on course so tough to teach when you got you know 20 kids in front of you with screens facing them and you're in the front of room yeah yeah we don't do a lot of that anyway yeah you know this is not good practice unless you're teaching a student how to walk through websites I that's' be one of the few they're working on like uh they're working independently some would do like a math module or something like they doing yet yeah yeah yeah different assessments that you're taking online and stuff we

033take uh you know PSAT sat online now that sort of stuff Smart Balance is all online so all done through the Chromebooks you know we push that down when test time comes so so whe they're on smarter balance the Proctor or it's the teacher can look and see everyone's screen make sure that they're I don't know if you can use go guardan not do that but when they take that smarter balance test the Chromebook is locked and they can't go anywhere else anyway during the Smart Balance test that's one of the I think that's a special softw smar They buil yeah we can't use go Guardian for that when you turn the chomebook and you click test then you're just in that testing screen and you can't break out and go to a web I

034can see this the situation where Sparky is taking his test and you know the teacher watching through go Guardian Sparky yeah yeah but uh they lock all that up yeah there's a lot of safeguards in place that you know thinking along those lines well what if this what if that but believe me there's new ways that people find do stuff every day that we're you know that we're trying to that we're trying to deal with it pop up like w I've never thought of that pretty creative some of these kids so and uh so do you need are we all set as far as from policy perspective do you need anything additional from us no I think you know from the policy perspective I think we're pretty strong there as some place where we've spent

035a fair amount of time over the years um a lot of it's you know guided legally but um if there's ever anything you know Mike is real good about communicating with us and our and Vin and our principles about you know different uh applications that arise and opportunities to make sure that we're uh as safe as we possibly can we've done stuff over the years like um Michael sent a bogus email and says you know looks like it's coming from me and it's a fishing test or whatever see how many people click on yeah done some fishing simulations just to see where people are at and we can give them some additional training so do you do you think we'll need to um uh enact any policies through the use of AI for you for

036students using AI That's Coming part of another group that I'm in in conjunction with uh with Marlene is what are we doing about AI know before it used to be just using Wikipedia yeah our Planning Group is spending a lot of time on that this year um we met with our administrative team um and a gentleman from Ed Advance came in who they do a lot of AI work and it's fascinating you know to just the they call large language models where you're just pulling from everything on the internet to create new information U so generative AI is like the the newest piece and so we're working um with our Strate strategic planning group that's District uh teachers like Mike and different folks across the district uh working on where do we need to go

037with that uh but we're also learning how to leverage it too and you know whether or not we love it it's definitely part of what we're going to be doing for the rest of our life so how do we how do we teach responsible use and how do we leverage it to the best of our ability uh give our kids those opportunities and advantages because they're dabbling with it already like you know a couple of months ago my oldest son was sending me videos um that his buddy had sent him he's wearing his prom a senior prom tux or whatever but he's like dancing and everything singing like it wasn't him but it was generative II um making him look like he was doing it you can still it was a little little rough little

038boty but was pretty good I was like w it's only going to get better same yeah the Deep fakes and all and there's no real way to to detect it like initially people came out with they tried to sell them to schools that were these like AI detectors like you could run it through like what we have for like plagiarism and things like that doesn't work like that and it's a waste of money to even buy those things they just they they simply don't work yeah well there's also I mean there's legitimate uses to use AI even in education fantastic uses correct correct blocking is not always the way to go sometimes educating people and finding out the appropriate uses of it and going that way which is what we've always done thanks to thanks

039to Jeff you know we've always been reason what's figure out the pros and the cons and and have kids use this use this responsibly I use it I use it all the time it's it's incredible but then again I'm I'm an adult that's using it for a very specific purpose in my industry so I kind of know what the content looks like so but yeah yeah definitely uh definitely more come yeah on that front yeah I was looking real quick for the um the uh PD oh there it is Vector training so like uh with respect to all the digital security stuff uh our staff are required to take different professional development online so like here's mine you know um email and messaging safety responsible use thought there was another one that we had too

040you don't have to do those every year do yeah with the only exception is um mandated reporter training which is every three years that responsible use policy isn't just CU that's the the staff one that yeah you guys have talked about a couple couple of months ago so that was the one mark that think that question about yeah so yeah thank you thank you for that that is something we need to make sure that we adhere to the students also have sign responsive use policy parents and students both sign at the younger grades and then students at the at the older grades at the high school or whatever so um you know that's another issue that we have to check to make sure that we're in compliance on that specifically at the high school um

041because if a kid's not signing the responsible use policy they're also not signning acknowledging the student handbook there's a whole bunch of other different you know different forms yeah so usually principal's tracking those students down and middle of September going are with us so are we changing or updating or reviewing any policy that's connected to this or is this just no no this this question came up uh a couple of weeks ago there were some questions so thought it'd be nice to get Mike in here yep yep you know give you some little deeper background that the only other policy issue probably something we need to take up is we used to have in there back before we had devices for everybody there was a policy in there that said you could bring your own

042device and we've since removed that from there but we don't have something that specifically says you can't bring your own device if you're a student which would be nice because then would eliminate the kids feeling like they need to bring in a Macbook or whatever we already give them a device I'm not sure why they would but but we handle those when they when they arise and and there's not a ton of them so I don't think that would beue well great thanks for allowing me more than willing anytime any questions you can reach out to me with more uh more specifics great awesome oh man do you have the code to turn off the alarm I do maintain thanks a lot thank you good night they tend to do that lately the alarm while

043we're still here anyway um so the first policy we have tonight is non-discrimination and this was actually a third reading but we bumped it to the first reading because it was so dramatically different this is one of the um policies we had uh Rebecca review Goldberg our one of our attorneys from birom and Moses um this is um you know her uh update to make sure that this policy dub tals really well with this other the sexual harassment in Title 9 so this is so this is what we had for the third reading this sexual harassment she's recommending this other version it this is is kind of challenging tell why separate though do um there two different policies um the non-discrimination policy and then the um title n Title 9 one and if you remember

044like they didn't make sense together they were all disjointed and why does this have um why does our old one reference all the various forms of discrimination and this one only references Title 9 and it didn't make sense and this was from um some sort of Shipman Goodwin SLC version and we were because we were trying to really reconcile two different forms of policies and and because Bertram and Moses uh are the people who walk us through and address these challenges with us um I would strongly recommend that for both policies that we're looking to adopt that are direct dictated by law these aren't so much things that we're just adopting for our own interest um but clearly dictated by law that we follow the um recommendations of our attorneys on these so the first

045one we bumped this one back to non-discrimination um both 521 frankly it'd be my uh recommendation to take this policy the sexual harassment and bump that back to First reading as well um keep them and dump this that was on the third reading because it just doesn't make any sense now what you could do is say you know what this one's already at the third reading we're just going to adopt this all together brand new but I [Music] don't I wouldn't like the practice of having one for go to through two readings and then wholesale substitute it for the third reading it just feels kind of disingenuous to me um if anybody like we wouldn't do that for any policy uh feels like you're trying to get one past people clearly we're not in this

046case but I just don't think it's good practice and we're not under any there's no urgency we have to follow this no matter what we have to follow the law anyway yeah so that's why I would recommend you know tonight maybe what you want to do is take this you know and say we're going to do this for a first reading um and we're going to take the non-discrimination for a first reading too and kind of just like reset and don't even I would strike this one um out does that make sense it does does do you want us to vote on that when we get there um the the non-discrimination policy like I said this is all grounded in the law you know notifying people of the non-discrimination policy it's it's all legal ease

047um but I think it's easy to read too uh Rebecca does a good job she's the one that did that bullying policy for us many years ago where we took it from this incomprehensible legal to English um and it was it was very well received um so this is the you know just that General policy uh again dictated by law with with relate as it relates to um non-discrimination you see the BM is virtual Moses then we have um so that was the only one we had for number one I would recommend also having this one for number one and this is the updated policy and um regulation this is uh 40001 is the certified staff 5,000 is the classified non-certified staff and then it just goes through the updates for Title 9 law and

048then we'll do three readings of this and then there'll be a new presidential Administration and we'll be rereading it probably by this time next year yeah does that make sense to you guys like I tried tried to because she said you definitely want to keep the non-discrimination and the sexual harassment if you're going to adopt one you got to adopt the other like because they're complimentary um policies you you guys okay moving on to Second reading stuff yeah all right so then we got security fingerprint this is the update in the law um I you can see see some of the changes background checks we've been following the law we're just updating the policy um this was you remember having the conversation about the nurses because it was redundant that's why they pulled it out

049I think everything else we felt really comfortable with terms of the revised policy fingerprinting it's not long what's that it's not long and involved is straight forward well the regulation I think is really long like how to do it that's where they get into who has control of the Records who doesn't who you know how to access it that is a lot more cumbersome then we have the social networking policy um if you recall this is the one that we had Floyd review um you know it kind of Timely um and I think you know one of the things that that came up the other day as I was just reading this uh so inappropriate conduct outside of Staff members professional responsibilities May render them unfit uh for their duties um it's you have to

050be really careful uh as I was saying at the board meeting the other day about freedom of speech and not wrongfully terminating somebody um because of their free speech and we can't draft a policy we can't have a policy that restricts your free speech rights so in here we do talk about um you know that uh you you shouldn't be right here number seven you know you can't use your District title or affiliation anything like that in a post or without you know the express consent of administration you know so if a teacher any employee is making inappropriate remarks or inappropriate posts um and they're wearing treasure gear that's different than just making a post um so this is pretty nuanced and this is where you know we're careful in the process of following the

051advice of our attorney and navigating these things to the best of our so it's the attorney who is putting those additional words yeah Floyd had put those in yeah actually he had done it before the situation even so um why is ridicule in there um let me see if there's a prior this is so basically you cannot ridicule the school district yeah or just close confid confidential information you you can't Heckle um families and things like that in your professional Duty that you engage in your professional Duty unless it's a matter of public discourse so if um you know for example you're a parent what if you're using a burner account yeah if you as a parent those exist if a teacher a teacher could make comments about you as a board member which would

052be protected um they can't make comments about your child because you're a board member they can't ridicule your family yeah you we're public figure so it's like right there's a lot more latitude that's provided and I know that's like something Tim brings up a little bit you know I want you know people should be able to speak freely they can't but they 's a threshold to that you know um and I'm curious on the history on this must have copied it over yeah imported file so I'm not going to be able to see what original what Floyd had see yeah in the original version It's he this is the original one that he he had because he took I'm sure I sent it to him and he he updated it to include ridicule I'm sure

053he had a reason for that word yeah specific legal definition of ridicule right that's different than harass I guess right is it a is it levels of you know I don't know the difference from a legal perspective between said this ridic and harass yeah so then he I'm sure he does he uses words with intentions yes he does absolutely um the FAFSA completion that's just an update from the state that was requiring by 2027 now instead of uh 202 the completion of the FAFSA it sets a goal of 100% but we're not penalized if we have less than 100% uh fasta completion um can I just ask a quick question um on uh number eight of the uh the previous social media one about accessing social media yeah I know we had a question about

054that so is that um yeah I think we would use reasonable judgement on that okay like you shouldn't so scrolling it's there to be there and then okay yeah I think you know the question came up during lunch in the policy it says working hours you know you make the argument okay well then then it's not during working usually by union definition break is a break dutyfree lunch or whatever for teachers there's a little bit of a different I mean if a teacher's in the faculty room scrolling through Instagram during lunch nobody cares yeah you know um and it's you shouldn't be outside of that like scrolling through Instagram well kids are in your classroom you or when you're monitoring the playground or something yeah um alternative education program this was uh update from the

055state and I see we took out yeah this was the credit recovery piece that we had to address so Pro we provide a credit recovery program as part of the alternative education program um you don't don't have to enroll in the um alternative program to have access to credit recovery so you don't you don't have to go to um like a wng for adult ed or humus then necessarily to engage in Credit Recovery we do that all the time for kids to go to treasure High School too it's not you know you're not required to enter those programs in order to have access to that sort of support that's the the gist of this change the third reading ones um again just remind you we're not going to advance this one forward because we're moving

056the other one to the first and I think we'll just um maybe we could just call when we say the first reading you know updated beral Moses policy 41 421 Etc um I'll save if you don't mind Equity diversity for last uh suspension and due process um there are a slew of legal updates that were required in here um that we've reviewed in the past you know a lot of it which isn't necessarily relevant to us all that often you know we don't expel without a notice or anything like that um making sure that parents are aware that if if you are being expelled you have access to free legal services when it doesn't happen often but when I send an expulsion notice um it says right in there that you know here's who you

057contact in Waterberry there's a a center that provides Le free legal service in Waterberry excuse um notification of parents when students engage in uh harmful Behavior how teachers can now request behavior intervention meeting with the crisis team if if a student causes a serious uh disruption or they caused harm the teacher other people in the classroom then we send notification to the parents these are everything in this policy is is really pretty rare you know the dates anyway the other stuff like you know runof-the-mill suspension um in school and out of school is going to be more regular than expulsions but and the suspension um process was uh updated we can't suspend students under grade three it's kind of rare anyway that we would ever run into that scroll up to something there sure yeah

058yeah you have to so everything's in school and we may authorize or you may authorize out school we we authorize it there's there are conditions that have to be met for out of school suspension they pose a threat the they create a disruption things like that um you're fighting that can be an out of school suspension you know but does that after school what's that does that mean after school out school suspension yeah it mean no no in school so in SCH in school suspension means you come to school and there's a a room where you have access to your work or whatever um you go to in school suspension but you're not going to classes no um you're not going to after school activities either you're um hopefully meeting with a counselor maybe teachers

059administrator during that time um doing your work in an in school suspension setting uh that doesn't sound like fun or no it's it's not designed to be that way but stuff you know it's better to have the student in the building if you can rather than no but you know but it's a just it's got to be a disincentive for students yeah I mean we've had parents say with an out of school suspension oh you're just putting them on vacation and so we recognize that too we don't want to do that but if there the behavior is such that it's going to be dis RVE or you know the some sort of physical threat issue you know then yeah go out of school suspension but um yeah that's the the process there so the default

060is that we're authorizing you in in school administration to suspend out of school if need they yeah if they meet these conditions yeah um so disruption of the educational process poses a danger yeah I get that I'm just thrown off by except we may authorize the administration so it seems like to me that you're coming to us to ask if you can suspend but it should just be that you guys just have the authority to suspend they do these are our policies yes these are board of policies let me um I'm just curious because it says it set the board May authorize let me see if we should change that to authorizes for the sake of the policy the I think the law that's probably drawn straight from the law okay and we pulled this

061from um from uh c yeah I like it 51 yeah it's clear and it answers Mark's question authoriz it's exactly the whole point is it's like you have to like you have to ask us yeah I don't want coming you espec especially since there's 40 pages of do what you got to do right yeah right there yeah exactly so again very little left to still out out of school you know under previous issues but and that's you again you know you can do out of school if it may lead the physical harm it requires us to provide developmental support uh follow 504 plans and special education plans just because the students being disciplined you can't disregard the services um the we have to consider if you receive special Education Services whether or not a PPT

062meeting is appropriate is this a programmatic concern so like if you you know when you read our um policy around expulsion you can't suspend a child with who receives special education services for more than 10 days out of school without it constituting a change of placement in school or out of school you can't suspend a student with special ed needs um so they could do something really egregious um you're going to move to expel them but because they receive special education services you have to hold What's called the manifestation determination PPT so was the child's Behavior a manifestation of their disability was was there a causal relationship between the behavior and the disability if there is then you can't EXP spell that student you you have to modify their program in some way and that

063could be a change of placement it doesn't mean that they automatically just go back to their class whatever they were doing but you know it's all part of the process to make sure that you know students needs are being met so and these are all just like updates from the last session actually yeah so maximum number of suspension days before a expulsion hearing I said the 10 days that's 10 days for 3 through 12 we uh never in my career have I seen K to2 uh suspended I don't even know for a day let alone five um what about how is um is school suspension counted as absent does it add to the chronic absentees uh I believe so yeah because they're not getting they're not in school if they're in school suspension they're getting

064their work done so even if but if they're out they're not yeah even if you're competing for the world championship of chicken wing eating or something as prestigious as that maybe you're uh not in school today so that You' see that it's become pretty cut and dry you're either in school or you're out of school a field trip is the only thing that they would consider you know if you were doing a school field trip to something yeah even if the even if it was something you know more significant like the you're competing in the scrips Howard Championship or whatever even the superintendent authorizes your absence it doesn't doesn't matter you're not school because I think too many people were just kind of beating it that way and and I think the answer your question

065that's why there's 40 pages of policy because they would prefer to keep the students in school right yeah because once you're out of school then that's it well for a year or however long it is you know yeah yeah so there's a lot of effort around what you can and can't discipline students for and then the resulting consequences so this is um the much reviewed equity and diversity policy and this is the revised version after Rebecca went through it and I met with her um at length about this policy to uh get her perspective and to um get her opinion on making making sure that we were writing a policy that was sound and defensible under the law but um also expressed our uh mission of making sure that we provide uh access to learning

066for all of our kids and and community members and that we solicit diverse participation to help make better decisions around uh things that we do and so you know the the perhaps this this is the clean version right but I want to show you the um version history on this um this is a I don't know if I can I can't close that side of it I guess but um I can kind of walk you through the changes and why they were made there um she wanted to right up front cover all of the different um elements of and these are these are per the law this is what the law says is covered through uh diversity um and that's in that non-discrimination policy almost the same language and and other characteristics as a key

067component of meeting this goal um she just cleaned up the language there and then made it reflect uh the uh the law the non-discrimination part of it and did we not have that all no well I think we did in other places where we like here we this is all we had before races ethnicities social and she just made it clear and encompassing it's everything yeah yeah you just basically can't discriminate and then she switched it from children to members of the chesher public schools Community because it's more than just yeah yeah um family members staff Etc in the CPS Community believe uh Equity is recognizing and valuing each and every individual reducing um and eliminating barriers to well-being um struck the systemic piece out of there uh did she she recommend that yes and

068um we already discussed that though didn't see you'll see later on you'll see later on like down here where we have the definitions she her take it doesn't show the cross out here because she just highlighted the whole thing and said dump them all because a lot of these you know are social construct definitions and they're not legal definitions and the policy is clear and these things evolve um and perspectives evolved with time like and she's like how do you prove implicit bias you know things these are social constructs that can be taught but not legally so she suggested dumping all the definitions so you'll see I'm just going to walk you through some of these recommendations and then let's go back to the other version where you can see clean up yeah based on

069her recommendations um you know really appreciated that piece about members of the community rather than just children I was everybody um again she was very clear about what's included um here and then we started to go through these different um you know kind of aspirational statements that we had um reduce barriers to the recruitment employment retention of teachers um ethnic and other disparities and achievement she thought was important to include so you know when we were talking about it I remember saying to her like you know it doesn't we're trying to address any sort of disparities in achievement or access like if it was North End students versus South End students we'd want to attack that too any we want all of our students to have access to hide a treatment and an opportunity um

070and so she felt including and others was important this um was just the the you know kind of a redundant piece actively identifying any practices that create dispar opportunities or results among students period this um part we had already we decided to take that out previously because there were two options for that seven and we had previously crossed out that so when you see that and then um we had crossed that out she crossed out this and just said students in general and then when it got to the definitions her recommendation was take them all out um and that was interesting I thought that was really interesting because that was kind of where we started to get felt dicey like trying to figure out like how do we Define this that and the other thing

071and she's like you can't there really is no legal definition for these things that you've got the aspirational goals you know these are I think it addresses um the initial intent while maintaining legal Integrity would you like me to print a couple of copies so you could just read it I should have printed a few copies do you want one to I know you're I have it on my screen let me print a couple of copies for you guys of the of the the clean one excuse me quick oh you the same issue that I do right here of big pot of soil got your limitations I had to get it like down the stairs oh yeah soil is a light it's very heavy how big well and it just got rained on for all

072day so it was wet it was wet was it frozen too it wasn't Frozen that's why I wanted in because I had put bulbs there okay so I'm going to keep them inside in a dark place for couple I didn't I wanted to get it in there before before the rain but that didn't happen yep I want to do a lot of things before really cold get it all plac inside warranty oh boyy thank you well it's shorter yeah short and Street oh I like number one after the cleanup I just felt like you know this this I think reaches a really broad range of backgrounds and perspectives like you know this some the language in the previous one I thought could be a lightning rod for some people um regardless of their perspective because

073it's not like strong enough or or weak enough but I think this um get drives home the same point uh in terms of how do we make sure we have a a school system that uh encourages voice from all people protects voice from all people and supports uh inclusion and Equity I like the language of the nine aspirational statements they're very positive for and look at all the legal references for questions comments of course um so this is a completely different policy from the one that we saw Even in our last meeting which I mean it's just stripped down uh okay yeah right completely different it's uh highly edited from the last one where all the definitions are gone a lot of like you said in infammatory uh defin from my opinion uh uh definitions

074are gone um so my my question um well firstly I'll comment um number seven um seems to commit us to doing something um the review of existing policies etc etc uh will be developed with an equity approach so what does that mean what is an equity approach yeah I I think in the spirit of this um policy it means that we take a step back and make sure that are we conscious of all perspectives here um you know I think the example that um you know to ironically kind of stereotypical but our uh that Rebecca gave was that you know if you created a policy that said you know meetings would happen at 8: a.m. every Tuesday morning and you know you're you're cutting off who are putting their kids on the bus and it

075was all you know it just all older guys that made this policy without ever thinking about like well how's this going to impact people other than me um that's really the make the equity approach being making sure that the policies that we have are considerate of the diversity of people that exist that they impact and if you wanted to change it to that language I think that was the intent of the conversation so that the our um it say in basically everything that we do policies programs curricul professional development procedures through I think using an equity approach but I think most everything we do we try and do that I agree yeah but again that's new language that that those two words cover everything that was it's no long it's not in any of our

076other policies you know what I mean that that's been in the policy that we've been reviewing right not this this state that statement is new that's not what you just showed us on that other it's completely different that was in the yeah that was in there it was just number eight instead of number seven because I cut one of them out um based on the recommend I think that's what it what it was so did that the original number seven go away no the original number three was one that we took out but I never renumbered it when when we collectively looked at it before we had one work actively to encourage Advanced academic opportunities for students regardless of race ethic or whatever we had collect itively taken that out before even giving it t

077it but I didn't rumber it the clean version renumbers it um so in the version history so see we had three here that's I took it out when I did the clean version because we had all the these marks in here but it was eight in the old one okay and so oh so we had 10 instead of nine right and then that's why the numbering changed seven in the old version can you scroll to that is now six it's now six but cleaned up right and the eight is now seven but I neglected in the cleaned up version to take the promotional out I guess right yeah I don't understand what that promot was supposed to be yeah I don't know why I don't know what that was there from I don't know if

078that was from language that we were playing with before and I just didn't I yeah I regret I apologize I didn't pull that out of there I missed it the strike through um but you know certainly we could look at that if if Equity approach is of concern um I mean it's my concern I don't further Define it maybe but this is this is again we go back to we strive to these are aspirational yeah it is not require us to we would like in a perfect world that's what we're going to do you know we're not going to sit and go through every existing policy I think that when we review policies when they come up yes we do that yes we just try and say to ourselves at that point in the process

079a lot of the policies let's face it a lot of the policies we review are legal there's not there's not room to say what do you think how do you think other people would interpret this you know actually most of the policies we reviewed tonight are just legal updates um but but when we do go through policies and we're looking at things where latitude exists is this going to impact anybody that maybe we're not intending and just take a step back well we so it's just you know the concern I think Adam's concerned we're not going to go through every existing policy program curricula professional development every procedure and look at it when an equity approach when each when they come up we're going to look at it that way right yeah we're committed to

080yes to do yeah but I can see where I I can see I'm concerned with that in that we're striving to we're not saying that we're going to go and look at every every existing piece of paper in the entire um that usually we don't like to have language that's subject to interpretation that much so I'm thinking about the point making and what language would kind of make that clearer that we don't intend at the next policy meeting post adoption to start with policy 000000001 you know or something like that um so well I'm I'm just more wondering what Equity approach is that's well I think the equity approach could be better defined too um as I just you know said with that it's considerate of diverse perspectives and the impact that are are we

081meeting diverse needs of our community of the people who live in our I feel like just read a whole page and a half of what an equity approach would be yeah so before we get to well a whole page so an equity approach means that we go back and make sure we're paying ATT to the diversity of all these things diversity as with respect to race Creed color ethnicity national origin An ancestry religion sex gender identity which is essentially a non-discrimination policy is that what the non-discrimination policy says I suspect it does I mean a lot of this language sounds familiar from other policies I I made this point several times that we we have all these things in our policies already for the most part certainly all the inflammatory language has gone uh and

082because it seems to me when I read it it's we're not really talking about Equity anymore we're just talking about equality like you know that uh that second paragraph We Believe Equity is recognizing the value of each and every individual and reducing and eliminating bar barriers to wellbeing which essentially just is equal access to education which is what we've always stood for um and uh and recognizing valuing each and every individual that's just you know generally accepted definition of equality so so there is a difference between equity and right well that's kind of the point I'm making is that Equity is it's it's all of the conversations we've had Equity is not equality normally so that's why I asked the question are you saying you know how would you define that we could go number

083seven I just tried word smithing um to a degree to address consider the diverse needs and perspective those in the community when reviewing existing policies program Etc to ensure educational equity for all students in that new policies program and um reflect those uh reflect that reflect those needs and perspectives I don't think you need to the extent that that review it does sound directive like you will go back now and do that so I think tried to change that language but also Equity approach kind of operationally Define that in the sense that it you're considering the diverse needs and perspectives of those in the community that does that make sense is that an upgrade from where you sit from the from what was there Adam um that that's just that specific number seven well if

084that's what Equity approach means right are we're defining this we're I like this better you do this rather than the well it starts out with review which is well that but but it's in there so we have that now it's just rather than it sound sounding like hey you got to go do this now call Action now as we go forward certain makes it much more aspirational than which is what this list is yeah yeah there nothing on here is than review do or die yeah but it's what we should be doing I mean we're adopting this as a policy to because we're saying you know we should be shooting for this these are things that we as a community believe and we think that there should be multiple Pathways to success to meet the

085needs of diverse kids and that we're going to collectively you know work to address and eliminate um practices that perpetuate discrimination but is it the thought of this committee that equity and equality are being used interchangeably no well Define it and where you see the problem the the definition I'm familiar with is that equality is equal access equal opport Equity means equal uh outcome yeah we don't none of I don't think anything in here says equal we're going to guarantee equal outcomes for everybody there there's a lot of diversity you know um would suggest that as a as a parent of multiple children you don't necessarily give equal amounts of supports to all of so you have three children because your children each need different things they have strengths and they have weaknesses that are

086different from each other so equal means that you give all three of them exactly the same thing Equity means you give each of them what they need I no I would disagree with that but I I don't see but I don't know where that's relevant in this policy Adam where do where do you see that well this is an equity policy yeah not an equality policy so and the entire policy dances around what the intention of the policy is the to be the original version was probably a much more honest version of what this policy was now it's which was what like I I mean Mark had refer our last me referred to it as a diversity equity and inclusion policy right this is not that anymore what is it's just it's just uh non-discrimination

087policy basically I I I think this goes maybe a little more specific than nondiscrimination yeah I think this um I I would characterize it as going Beyond non-discrimination in the sense that non-discrimination uh basically says you know you can't um make you know judgments based on these things you know that um whereas this says again aspirationally that we're not just not making judgments based on people's race ethnicity Etc but that we are um actively seeking out where challenges to these things exist and supporting access to all kids uh and community members and we're also um trying to be real conscious and aware of the different perspectives and needs that exist in the community and incorporate those perspectives into decisions that we make whether they be for new programs or policies or whatever the case may

088be um which I think you know the the non-discrimination policy is kind of like the base level I literally this is the minimum required by law um whereas this policy to go beyond that to indicate that we're being inclusive of diverse perspectives when we make decisions that affect our school Community another great point this is not required by law correct correct that is correct I guess in that paragraph right there it says we believe equity and then we're defining is recog in and valuing so that's our definition of of equity in this policy so I think this is the cleaned up version based on what the um attorney has said certainly leave it in your hands though where we going from here this is uh moving forward for third meeting or this was the third

089meeting is this the third meeting this is the third reading of this policy then the um we only have one other item on the agenda for tonight and then if we want to hit that and then do that you guys can move anything forward that you'd like um so the electronic devices policy we wanted to um before we changed the policy for recall we wanted to do surveys of stakeholders per the best practices or whatever that was sent out and so I reviewed some different ones I sent I worked with our admin team um to have to create different surveys for different buildings uh to get just different perspectives of grade levels and things like that so um CPS is updating policy around cell phone use in our schools as such we are soliciting your

090feedback around current and future policy your feedback will be an important consideration in the formulation of future policy thank you for taking a few minutes to complete the survey if there's anything else you would like uh consider email Dr solent my email so I think we one of the questions that came up last time was like What if all students say we don't want a cell phone policy it is consideration um current cell phone Expectations by grade level these are the current cell phone expectations at each School talk k36 yeah walkie-talkies that's that's a popular Christmas gift whatever you can't bring bring them into schools can you use them on the playground um if there were certain I think we would consider it talk to your principal we used to take them skiing with kids

091that's so it's take a separated then yeah so we have it at each you know these are direct from the uh schools and their handbooks Etc so to what degree do you agree with the statement that elementary students should not be accessing cell phones during the school day including L stud Etc and this is going to the students this is uh parent oh parent okay yeah to what degree do middle school students I think I want to bold these I accept the let's see so there's no question should not so like if we walked into a cafet a a do lunch or a high school lunch um right now would we see kids on their phones during lunch um DOD no the high school um probably yeah um so on dot is it if a

092kid a phone from their bag or something it's the the one put it away oh okay yeah it do so that's between 7:30 and 2 it uh excuse me between 8 and 245 it you know cell phones prohibited during the school hours kept in your locker keep it on your person whatever is there the exception though not at the middle school the exception is only if your teacher says you should take it out now or something no the exception for kids who might be monitoring their blood pressure oh yeah yeah yeah blood sugar yeah of course if you've got a health plan that says you need to have it but even then you shouldn't have it out during the day if you have to for that purpose the teacher knows yeah if beepers are going

093going off all over the place right so to what degree do you agree uh with the statement that high school students should not be accessing cell phones during the day including lunch study hall Etc so this is parent perspective so um I guess especially at the high school now since you since it's sort of a zero tolerance at the middle school should at the high school level should that question be broken out between class and uh lunchtime we could consider that yeah I don't know know because you could you could potentially skew the answer because if a a parent is like well definitely not during class but lunch I don't know and then so you got a A more lukewarm answer you know what I mean yeah or is that is there question to we

094do start to roll into um to what degree do you agree with the statement that cell phone expectations that exist in my child's School are working well and so you got to reference back to your your child's school can yeah can I ask you so right off the bat are we going to know whether the parent who is filling this out is a parent of high school schoolers yeah yes middle scho so each or element yeah so this one you know there'll be a version CHS parent DOD parent do little parent um because that'll also give us feedback and I I thought about doing it you know all on the same survey but the um results get so like washed when you've got a kid in different buildings um I don't know that and I

095I wanted to try and restrict it to the one building especially when it says to what degree do you agree with the statement cell phone expectations that exist in my child's School are working well so all all the doitt parents May the average doitt may be strongly agree and the average it you know Chapman be maybe strongly disagree they've got the same exper that's an enforcement problem so with a parent of a child in elementary at do one at do and one at the high school fill out three they'd get three separate surveys yeah and the survey is short enough that you can take three and not feel like you're killing yourself at the time I shouldn't say kill myself because it's showing up on Gaga possible questionable content super thank God now Marlene will

096have to review yes she's going to have to make sure I'm okay but anyway so um so it's a pretty brief survey it'll give us some interesting information to review and evaluate as we go back now if for example that my child's School are working well if the average there is like four and a half on our schools like do we need to we can just adopt current as policy at that point if it's one and a half then we need to take a real close look at what do you recommend to improve the expectations maybe we need to go back and drill down get some more information so they can write in yeah there's an open-ended for parents who want to do that then we have a student version again for the different buildings

097yeah same part I'm real curious to see who put this together this survey I didn't I'm real curious to see what high school kids think about elementary and middle school access to cell phones real Curious it'll be so interesting if all our high school kids say like absolutely they should not should not have that's how I'd answer it is that a spite or concern yeah yeah I bet a lot of high school kids would say say I wish I didn't have access to cell phone when I was in that is the another perspective yet it's a regret of early exposure that's actually what in my book club the anxious generation book club with the high school kids that's what they were saying um did they wish they never yeah had exposure and I would love

098to talk to Middle School me and tell them stay off the Instagram and all that business will uh will the students have time in school to do this like during advisory or something like that yeah we can give them school time I mean it's is it's not going to take long but just to you know see if we can get get more kids participating yeah yeah yeah we want more feedback you know not me just sending it out is probably not going to get tremendous feedback yeah so it's basically the same questions staff same questions so we're going to send it out uh on their cell phones via Instagram could the survey be distributed um within like um their health class or something like that because don't they they speak about issues like that yeah

099but not every student especially like at the high school they wouldn't all have it the the way health is spread out you wouldn't get to everybody it different they have advis time cuz you have them like in the Middle School you have it every fourth day for the year so yeah you could do it there but at the high school you might only you'll have it a quarter so a lot of kids wouldn't have it we do an advisory be easy well yeah it's in well in my day health class I think was like freshman year or something like that wasn't it so yeah you're not getting you're probably not even getting all the classes either right yeah uh yeah you're not going to get a full snapshot by just going into that you'd have

100to do it by like going into math or something that I could guarantee that every student almost every student is taking at the same time yeah right so yeah I speaking from the Middle School perspective where everyone yeah yeah so I know we talked a little bit about you know policies ultimately getting reviewed by a curriculum but there's only that's for say School climate but the only other circumstances if if the survey especially if it's getting Federal funding or whatever and even then it's um political affiliations Etc psychological problems sex illegal self-discrimination or self-incriminating behavior critical appraisals of others um legally recognized privilege or analogous relationship such as those of lawyers Etc income religious practices these surveys don't touch on any of that so if you're cool with the surveys we can try and get

101them out and take a look at them in January let's take a look at the results see how they so this has to go to the full board no oh it doesn't because it doesn't it's none of those issues the safe School climate survey will go to the full board because we had a special car out in that policy for that but this is pretty straightforward so I'll plan on issuing survey you know soon and then we'll get the feedback and we'll get a chance to look it over at the next Mee okay we don't have to take an official Vote or anything right on this no yeah okay I'll say I support it there you go that I think it's great it's you're real curious yeah yeah it's it's short and sweet yeah so

102I want High compliance so made it real real short and it's pretty simple once you've read the first question you get it for middle high school and then you just have two others one question that you have to answer one that you don't it's pretty pretty quick survey and should give us interesting information to review all right so and also to see the difference between parent responses to student responses is going to be to staff yeah a staff perspective too so where do they where do they fit in on the survey do they go students they go parents there's a whole separate one for St yes so I'll send one to staff I'll send one to students send one to parents and staff being the teachers too yeah yeah they that might be the most

103varied yeah actually did the uh the schools that are now using those fancy uh pouches and stuff did they did they go through these steps too or were they more just sort of most of them imp just did it and but you know they're we're getting good compliance at Dot from what I hear yeah without it without it and you know how much those things they're expensive is all get expensive but they're also it's also very confining I feel like time consuming and other than that I mean psychologically what the students how the students will react to locking up their phones is different than being asked create Rebellion be part of a community and put your pH we will get your compliance through locking things up yeah yeah yeah yeah and sometimes you got to

104do that but you know but we don't yet we didn't see the issue me you know reaching that where we couldn't do it by not all as a staff doing enforcing it and I think at the same time I think well we may all agree that really it's the problem the problem is the device yes but it's not it's what's on the device and most likely what happens outside of school right that's yeah you know that's why like you said like smoking you smoke at school and then you leave property you chain smoke yourself all day but you know and that's we put out a video recently about accessing you know this is a season where you get a lot of people buying cell phones and stuff today's like Tech Monday or something right Cyber

105Monday or something and uh you know look at some of these Alternatives that don't have all those social media platforms on them when you buy them right out of the store um so we put out inform to that effect to our parents and hopefully you know the the tide will turn a little bit more education I it's interesting how even those those phones that were being promoted at the event yeah where they still have texting on them yeah and so that just goes to show that's a general communication isn't isn't the problem because that's not being manipulated right like social media manipulat and on those pin wheel phones you can dictate as the parent who the child receives texts and can send text to you know maybe they got three F friends the texts show

106up still on your phone they you can you know family members can text Grandma can sense Pary text but not everybody else well it's too bad because like on I don't know about an Android on an Apple phone you can control that through the age of 13 right I don't know why it's only 13 right but yeah you know and once you get past 13 that's well that's on social media you can have an account after 13 right so yep you I know why is 13 personal experience well that's the have a handle on what your kid is doing by the age of 13 it's lost it's out of your control at that point all right all right so we need to move yeah we need a motion to move to eliminate that one do

107this so we're moving the Bertram Title 9 and the but we call vir non-discrimination or is it just it's a revised non-discrimination new version a new version and new version from attorney for the sexual so do we need a motion for that to move that yeah so we're we're gonna um make a motion to move these for first readings motion so we but we don't need to say that we're taking the other one from the third reading we're just just just going to move the other on move it back to First reading yeah so we're going to indicate that these are um new versions for first readings okay and we're going to say that um these are versions for second readings that we we don't even have to acknowledge this this just dies on the

108time then we can say you know if you want to move these for third readings um and then down here there's nothing you have to do with this like the electronic device or whatever that's just for discussion we're good want to take that so moved so where's Carol when you need it so do we have a motion to move 0521 and 4000.1 42 100.1 and 51 4544 for first reading mve okay so in second theair yeah I'll second there you go you should be asking for the motion in a second I did ask for the motion Adam second all in favor unanimous okay so for a second reading all right motion for uh make a motion for the second readings I I'll make it um move that the policy uh 42125 security uh check fingerprinting

109criminal justice policy 41851 rights responsibilities duties social networking policy 6148 FAFSA completion program and 6172 alternative education program be moved for a second reading second yep thank you all in favor yep unanimous and these only these two not the strikeout one would be for third readings uh policy 0523 equity and diversity and policy 5114 suspension and expulsion process policies be moved for third reading second I'll second it can I second it yeah okay all in favor two opposed okay and uh uh for the record I'm not opposing the the process uh yeah maybe we should break those out then okay so do you want to redo the whole motion then yeah okay yeah so to send policy 0523 equity and diversity for a third reading I will second that all in favor two opposed thank

110you motion for 5144 5114 uh move that the 514 suspension and expulsion due process be moved for a third reading second yes move to a j second all in favor we are adjourned all right