001thank you very much let's please stand for the pledge of allegiance all right good evening everyone welcome to the planning committee meeting of the whole tonight is january 11th 2022 of the cheshire board of education um so um put together a presentation and a lot of it is items that we've all heard before but we kind of just wanted to run through kind of a summary of where we were with school modernization and then where we're going you can notice that the slide show tonight is called cheshire public schools next generation phase one just like to point that out before we get started here tonight so with that i'm gonna move up to the podium all right let me take the mask off show a little bit better without a mask on um can everyone
002hear me okay all right well thank you for coming this evening um we're gonna jump right into the presentation and as i mentioned before you know at school modernization worked for over two years to put together the plan for our phase one approach to modernization for the public schools um you know there's been two different options and kind of been through this and so now i just want to point out this is phase one so school modernization never just never planned on there being one phase for school modernization for the district um so this is our first step towards modernizing um our school district first slide here which we've all seen before why did we even start this whole process as you can see our first school our oldest school building was built in 1912
003which is now 110 years old all the way down to highland elementary school which is you know a pretty modern school it is our only school building with hva with folio air conditioning average age for our school building 78 years old so the school of modernization committee um was a was a group that was formed by an act of the town council to take a look deep into our school facilities tour various facilities and look at other buildings throughout the district and to do a full study of current enrollment trends as well as future projecting out over so let's consider available options to upgrade the school facilities which may include new construction renovation existing facilities closing and repurposing facilities and other creative viable proposals and the smc was tasked with developing recommendations for modern modernizing
004our schools they'll address the educational needs of cps students in the 21st century while considering the fiscal impact on the residents of cheshire district improving efficiency and ventilation considering more sophisticated early childhood special education needs and focus on opportunities for collaboration and there's other items here which i'm not going to read i don't think we all need to run through why we're doing the modernization i think we've all been through that before i think we all know that there's a need here recent projects and surrounding school districts um i often say they do and we do it here in cheshire um i think we all have said look forward to ourselves especially if any of you attend sporting events in any of our surrounding districts and you get to walk into their facilities and see
005these you think to yourself when you leave you get your car why don't we have that here in cheshire south windsor we did tour their district they've grown exponentially over the past several years and they have been able to add several new elementary schools um being guided by the same firm colliers who has helped us through this process over the past two years enrollment projections so slr was slr who at the time was at milan mcroom did the full study of both birth rates and then also development bends across the town of cheshire and put together the attached the sheet up on the screen up here in front of us like to point out that when this was put together 21 22 which is the school year that we're in now um the high enrollment
006that was projected at that time was 2185 students today our current enrollment is actually 2246 students so even what the high numbers was at the time that this was done back two years ago we've already exceeded the high projections by 65 students and growing one second um i'd also like to point out i i have this uh day job here in bataan treasure and uh i'm i sit directly across from the planning office and you know over the past month or so there hasn't been a day that hasn't gone by where we haven't been seeing additional subdivision it's being proposed here in cheshire the town is growing which is a good thing that people want to live here and choose to raise their families here so you know even though when this was put together
007they were looking at current subdivisions that were proposed at the time since that time i'd just like to run it through a couple that i know of there's a 13 additional lots proposed off of coleman road doors monica states phase two there's four additional lots at the end of moss farms road there's 24 lots on lease road there's 142 and three bedroom homes proposed in north end of town and a development that's soon to be coming to us with 340 apartments in the north end um and then also on east mitchell avenue went before the planning zoning last night 55 additional apartment units across from stop and shop so here we have the elementary school functional capacities the blue line is the capacity the dashed line is the target once you start hitting the capacity
008levels of the darcy chapman do little highland and norton you're starting to get into the spot where we're going to start exceeding the ideal number of students per classroom for the different grades so if we're looking for it to have 20 students per class and we're going to start pushing into the 22 23 24 range so it kind of really points the picture of where we need to focus our phase one of modernization so the final recommendation which came out in april of 2021 um which was a plan that was presented by the 13 member smc has phase one is two new k-6 elementary schools one located at the north end of town and one located south out of town possibly on the norton school site existing darcy enchantment buildings are taken offline norton is
009demolished pending the south end school location and redistricting is to be addressed as required phase two and three no i'm gonna so phase two and three or renovations do a little in highland so much has gone into phase one that i can't imagine that whoever is sitting in these seats if i'm not up here whoever is up here in the in the future that phase two and three is not going to be looked at it's going to be reassessed to see where we are as a district no one could have painted the picture of what was going to happen with covenant and what was going to happen with the development in the town and the amount of new families moving in and the enrollment shooting up so i would be hard pressed to believe that
010what you see up here these last four bullets is the way that this is gonna go after phase one is approved i could be wrong but that's just i'm gonna just throw that note in there so the estimated phase financial overview from the smc so this is what came out as in the april first document um and this basically creates a picture of what the total cost will be for both phase one and then the other phase two as we move forward which again i already cut through my candid remarks in there about that um so you're looking at a low district share of 73.3 million dollars 88.2 million and that's after state reimbursement so the actual total budget is 109 to 131.7 and um through discussions with coliers i believe those numbers are still
011pretty much on target but you know once we get a project moved from planning committee to the full board of education we'll have the time to further refine those numbers and come up with what exactly that bonding number would be that would go to voters hopefully in november of this year so steps taken subsequent to smc's final recommendation um so the site selected both the north norton and north and marion and jarvis road proper test fits were done so for those who don't know what test fit is is can we actually build what we're proposing on these school sites so when you do that there's other steps that are taken such as geotechnical analysis looking at the services both you know gas and water properties just to make sure that there's proper bearing capacity and
012that the sites could actually support construction educational specifications were done for darcy school to evaluate fit for highland or not an evaluation of homicide and central office needs to see if humberson could be incorporated either to the north end school or into the south end development so the darcy education specifications were put together so after reviewing the birth of three the early intervention program and other items that take place over at darcy school it was determined that the total square footage that would be need in order to support those programs would be 15 200 square feet um so that's space for eight classrooms plus resource rooms office space um totally in the 1520s there's circulation spaces and other things in there um also to see what we can do in order to incorporate darcy into
013the new north end school or highland school or then school um there's only four classrooms and five thousand suites five thousand square feet available in order to incorporate that fifteen thousand two hundred um that's necessary to support the darcy programs um so in discussions and in reviewing the educational specifications um i think we would be foolish darcy's programs into highland school um some of those programs are some of the flagship things that occur in this district and it's for our youngest people and so i really think that if we're going to be moving forward such a project is this that we ensure that we have production on both sites gold sites possess initial geotechnical and environmental evaluations darcy school will not fit in the highland site it needs to be planned for inclusion on the
014north on site human school and central office should be included in future phases subsequent phases will be necessary and require extensive review and planning independent of this process as circumstances change so again i'm not going to go through all this but this basically breaks down the required square footage for darcy and how it could be taken into the northern elementary school so the high growth square footage estimate of the new northern elementary school had an allowance for 8 400 square feet roughly um so the difference between the 22-4 needed for darcy program and the 8-4 requires 13 922 square feet would need to be added to the north end school in order to accommodate the programs that would be lost if we closed darcy school so the recommendation is at 22 4 square feet to
015the north elementary school as the highland property does not have adequate space for a building and parking addition frame your parents listing at home and for anybody who has had students at highland school it's pretty tight over there as it is so adding additional 224 to um that building would add include the darcy programming requirements into the educational specifications that will be prepared for the new north elementary school so the square footage of the building and the cost of the new building can be properly estimated um so basically what that says boil down is that the numbers that you're seeing the kohler was originally put together we'd have to adjust those in order to include the additional square footage that will be needed at the northland school for darcy so in summary phase one construction
016of a new north and elementary school to include the three preschool primary and programming from darcy school in the corner of marion jarvis road construction of a new norton elementary school on the existing site chapman elementary school and darcy school are taken offline when the new schools are built an elementary district redistricting will occur when the new schools are constructed so what are the next steps first and foremost move the cheshire public schools next generation phase one plan to the board of education for approval board of education would vote to approve that plan hopefully town council would vote to approve a plan hopefully the town council vote to appropriate the needed fund promotions which is all part of this oscr and the project would go to referendum sometime either in november or prior to june
01730th 2022 which is this june it would be construction grant application to the state of connecticut um and again referendum held november 8th 2022. all right coming out thing i can answer questions colliers is here this evening to address any questions um as well as the superintendent and vincent we obviously know enrollment's going to increase based on that information these are for the elementary schools the hope is that we're going k-12 because all those elementary kiddos are eventually going to come to god do we have capacity at dodd to hold the size that we're projecting um my lawn in the group which is now slr conduct a an enrollment study and based on the information they had at that time that was certainly this build currently we're at about 600 a little more than 600
018students here when i worked here 10 years plus ago we had 900 students um it was overcrowded at that time it's not the best case scenario but it'll take us a long time to get there we have a more pressing problem obviously with our elementary enrollment and being able to accommodate that i think it was like the fourth slide that andrew showed with the different buildings running out of capacity right and that's facing a real dilemma in a matter of a few years if we don't immediately address elementary issues i just worry about the increase being more than clearly with that one example that he showed that was more than projected and therefore they're going to have to funnel through dots somehow and eventually we might reach that 900 threshold sure quicker than we foresee
019yeah i think you know when andrew prefaced his remarks by indicating that this is phase one um you know it's a blessing and a curse to grow rapidly because andrew said it's a assignment we've created community in a school system that people want to be a part of which is certainly validating but it also uh presents challenges and so you know we you know based on all the information we have there is time to be able to accommodate that middle school demand but you know i know chuck i can see is eager to chime in here but um when we move forward more extensive study will be done that will probably give a better indication of the timeline and i think you're certainly afraid to ask the question it's not um out of the it's
020a natural progression right i mean like you said if we're bulging in elementary schools eventually students matriculate you know so chuck is there anything you want to add to that capacity for this this school is 906 students and um going out to 29 30 they're projecting 789 all that 29.30 for so just to give you um comparison so there is there is room for for growth there and we'll we'll certainly if there continues this growth pattern um the recommendation would be to moderate year by year to see how that's affecting your your um my other concern is class size right if we can have capacity great but class size has always been a priority with most educators so i think when they when they calculate the capacity and like when zuma is our enrollment person
021that we use he's not here but i think they took that into i believe they took it into account um what your current ideal you know you know classroom sizes a range of 25 city views education yeah putting features on cards it's very uncomfortable and that's we're facing that already at the elementary level particularly next year will be true class into that building from darcy because we just don't have the space at darcy to accommodate that anymore and these are you know pressing issues no doubt but i think his we're still okay it's not perfect but certainly it's not perfect i can't believe it's 20 22 we started almost three years ago again time flies right but uh but back in september i think was september october uh we met informally this past fall second
022phase two there's just the recommendations not set in stone so uh you probably heard it discussed in the modernization committee's discussions with the south windsor things going so we planned this year for phase two i guess is we're gonna be forced to do another moment correct uh who did the enrollment projections and to clarify that because we were doing that during um the south windsor we were changing so much and we were kind of moderated that was a really say unique pace i think in the state they've grown like 12 which is unheard of um the state of connecticut we submit this this june the base numbers from this past october are the numbers you're going to use in year one of those eight will be next fall for 2022 so we don't have to
023redo it talking to the monkeys that we don't need the next phase because if property has to be acquired for any you know for new developments you know uh migration into the district and then birth rates um certainly looking at what you know what's going on with those with the problems with three of the bigger factors ago is it continuing to grow just you know obviously wouldn't be looking at is there a lot of growth yes no and then obviously with the central office of today we projected x amount of you know kindergarteners this year um you know we're seeing an uptick you know there's sort of red flags along the way if necessary given the data that we'll receive from the new enrollment rejections and so forth and if that's part of the process
024that i would be comfortable moving forward but if it's not by in so as part of the plan as we look at the god phase um so jeff i think this question for you in terms of the enrollment what have you seen so far this year in terms of students being like coming into the school system is it a normal year are you getting more than expected yeah this but i don't know that it's been a normal year in any way but yeah anyway um we are substantially beyond what we would typically experience over the course of a year uh in terms of people moving in to our school system 85 um beyond what the projection was for this year and we had about 60 students move in since october 1 on our um yeah
025but we are significantly ahead of where we anticipated we are beyond where for total enrollment where um so it's definitely you know when you asked the question about growing room i think this pandemic has accelerated some of what we've seen with some folks moving out selling with the high price of housing two years but um is continuing it's not and i'm thinking i'm thinking this is morally related to the trends that have been identified in a projected moment rather than uh code let's get out of the high currency all right [Applause] [Music] and i do want i do want this to pass uh i also recognize that this needs to have some fairly widespread support across town and so one thing just for from a years perspective they look at not only more from school
026but an expansion school and giving people an idea of what the cost differential would be on that i think that's important um and then my last concern right now is so i'm looking at these nice guys here jeff says darcy are you looking at the dark stamps but yeah yeah you would send me in yeah earlier today [Music] that's not happening in chapters [Music] had a very specific purpose that purpose was to determine whether the educational programming that currently exists in darcy could be accommodated in ireland that island school because as the smc drew it up that was the proposal through that effort we've identified that you know we would need in addition built on that highland school to accommodate that and if you've ever been there with the traffic uh it's already nightmarish there's
027no space there's no parking we have people to park on the grass and or snow now with the current back even with redistricting and pulling people out to work in other buildings the addition of the entire darts and staff there would overwhelm the space and capacity therefore it was this recommendation this is part of the work we've been doing over the last couple months that that darcy program be accommodated at the north bend site where there's adequate space to be able to do so what we're looking at you know right moving into the future is evaluating here what's the cost of that through professional estimator uh versus the cost or the time and obviously there's a financial cost and then just because you can't do it doesn't mean you should do it in ireland we'll
028evaluate that as things move forward but you know today is more of less about committing to go into that process because we need to commit to uh path so that we can expend the time money and resources to actually come up with a not the i crossed the plan for that which would include educational specs for those is um right so what has happened is formal education specs have to be drafted okay there's a cost there so unless count counts that's the plan there's no constraint so i'm not going to talk about these steps when does the board actually have to go [Music] right now we're projecting um in april we're drafting on our timeline the recommended time rings from now through roughly march parallel with that is the update of the enrollment projections we
029have a quote from so while he's updating the enrollment projections using you know your current data we're drafting up the ed specs at the same time and then ultimately those specs obviously drive the budget through the square footage so i think our timeline is looking in april whether we do two readings or not so yeah between this is called featherwork in april there's so many so all we're trying to support at this point is just put a formal plan on them uh so they can move forward but we're actually going to vote on the actual plan numbers sustainable i just wanted to comment actually that i think as presented this evening i think this will be a great thing for our school system and for our town knowing that things two and three are out
030there and that we do need the plan without knowing how how long it took to get the phase one now we know that these two also happened and a lot of people have processes as soon as this part is in the rear viewer i guess um but uh i was happy to see that after i picked up our december meeting when it was determined that um it looked like the darcy school programs were necessarily going to be uh optimized and at the higher location and i think it's a great idea to be able to move those to the north end uh site um this also gives us time to make sure that we have these population projections to make sure that they stabilize by the time we we're well into phase one we'll know you
031know is is 900 students coming to dodd is that is that going to be real are we going to need a larger middle school we need to go to 6 to 18 and accommodate for more room in our elementary system all those things i think we'll definitely have a better idea uh in in a few years so i think that this phase one plan should be supported thank you sorry that last plan could be meeting uh onto it um is saying this is the process it's a modernization process so sam i don't think it's a one-and-done by any sort to the imagination that i think many people are thinking okay we'll get to test this and then we're done for a while we can take a breather we've been taking breathers for about 100 years
032and really pass the ball up we had to emphasize to people that 37 mill rate almost 38 as of this year i mean if we're looking at that kind of increase we've got to make the case to persuade us [Music] there is a financial spreadsheet calculator that the foundation developed where you're going to actually plug in your property value that calculates basically your personal estimated cost implications based on all metal capital projects over the next 10 years so that's there i think uh whatever cost analysis colliers comes back with moving the birth rc programs to the universe middle school i'm sorry on every school um you know we don't yet know if it fits in with that ball for our destination or not so we might be looking for now the point is all right
033yeah the only the one the point i want to make about the middle school assuming anything ever happened there is that we are still 50 years away and probably old and there are probably a middle school could make sense things could change are we voting on this today our goal is tonight yes um it probably just comes with no surprise to anybody that um i will not be voting to approve this project i believe it's flawed from this concept um which doesn't mean that i'm going to try to bomb the project in any way i just um i cannot come to terms with agreeing with this two and the process that the way the process has evolved um and the way that um we really didn't take the into account the curriculum and many of
034the things on page two of this presentation of blind modernize i feel like will not be taken into account without addressing the middle school and by the middle school and uh chapman school we could also um i have many of the concerns beyond what sam um mentioned earlier and those go all the way back to when we toured god middle school a couple of years ago renovating this building on this site is just it makes no sense it really does and um you listen to lots of uh public commentation on the benefits of having a sixth grade middle school and i i can't move away from that everything from when you look at the classroom sizes it's more than just um fitting 900 students into this building space according to what the state says you
035can do it's about as sam as it stated about classroom size and taking care of that it's about the new furniture and space requirements for 21st century learning that you won't be able to accommodate in the classrooms as they exist in this building it's about um optimizing traffic patterns that cannot happen on this site where this middle school is living and i'm i believe that the process went from considering the educational value of the modernization as a whole for all of the for all of the schools to a financial consideration and i take a lot of heat for that for saying that but i truly believe that we do have to consider the financial impact but it's not the only thing there are other ways to take therapy enrollment and the financial aspects but still
036address the real reasons for modernizing our school which is to build the district's 21st century educational goals and i with this project i feel like we are leaving a lot of that behind especially for the middle school project so i'll leave it at that and i appreciate what you're saying i really do um and i know there is not a stronger advocate for a switch to six to eight um venue and i respect you for that but i guess my question is um it sounds as if the most i i just i i guess explain to me how this burgeoning elementary population is not the most present issue we're facing and why that needs to be um sideline to um you know along with a sixth grade middle school need to build a second school
037school i mean that i yeah you have that quote because the enrollment issue is that somebody else alluded to we need we need another property hypothetically if you take the sixth grade come here yes but we're still going to have enrollment increases either way it would definitely be more gradual than trying to add 300 more students in next year but [Music] you're pushing 900 for um this year um based on the whole projections six seven eight total would be eighty-six for the old ones 6th graders so if we're having right now we'd be in excessive capacity i would have to look at five through seven to be clear sam i would never advocate for putting sixth grade in this building on this site because i i don't think the building or the site handles that
038no i'm just absolutely good that again part of the next phase would be to look at the potential of having to because of our curriculum in the state 50568 that's one of the areas where we have to consider alleviating the elementary schools and appropriately putting 68 together downwards in the candidate but [Music] uh [Music] another [Music] i'm over the next few years [Music] i'd like to make a motion i'd like to move the planning committee recommended full board of education reviews public schools next generation phase one plan counseling discussion so this is basically the motion right here what is this one [Music] the them from my experience on this award and then my experience working with our town council i think that this is our opportunity to at least foreign [Music] opinions [Music] yes is
039[Music] is [Music] so as i there's a lot more um i don't yet know you know somehow the town council awards are working together on phase one uh the bible comparison budget money et cetera uh the painting towards the discussions there's going to have to be uh my guest is probably he's going to sign the billing commission they'll be working down there and once this goes to referendum or iran's plan there is a pretty much a quiet time where the board of town council cannot advocate for this point so i suspect we're gonna i would recommend that the board have a discussion something this year about the forward on the next days maybe maybe there's a opportunity for another community as far as i know that's deceived hydrated but probably not um is so um
040[Music] but once the education specs come back [Music] for chocolate that's part of the packaging yeah that's your procedure for two readings you have to prove the inspector so we need to add that i will put those detail steps in there too because the way it reads tonight is and we vote tonight and we're done uh probably after the third bullet i'm thinking just really endorse the plan it's somewhere in that third or fourth bullet yeah and chuck after the third took the actual drafting of the expects that was approved a couple months ago that's already taken care of as far as um but it's yeah the town council goes to appropriation appropriate needed funding um and the town council approved the state required those are kind of together because basically you know we're going
041to do a referendum here's a number for the rough round and we're going to hold it in november or whatever it's going to be the state of connecticut needs to know that they need to see that the district government body endorses this move um yeah the final number for this budget and again whether it's before the approval plan i think we just gotta maybe fine-tune that with tom council just to confirm um the final number's gonna be based on your aspect we cannot finalize the budget without that inspection that closes this workforce in the building which provides 80 percent so when we vote on the typically what we do this the grant application doesn't require port event to improve the budget but we recommend they they kind of go hand in hand if you think
042about it and we in other districts we've you know reviewed the budget with the board event so we know okay here's the pets i can usually associate the budget because otherwise it's you know what's going to happen is there so they they're going to put the plan uh they're going to have the final numbers whatever they are on optimism during that process we're going to have education specs complete okay so i would like to get that back as soon as possible uh because [Music] i think he's got amazed about this and i think uh once was it can [Music] you know [Music] sustainability energy and then uh yeah i'm trying to remember that myself the whole world the whole time the committee wasn't working but [Music] i know that'll take at least so yeah so
043the grant application is comprised of approximately 12 or 13 different parts and pieces to it it's not like we're writing a whole after like a grant like you might think of a grant for you know a different type of project there's a checklist from the state of connecticut it's all submitted digitally through the core ct system they'll have a lot of general questions that we will we will draft we have a paper copy of that and we draft that for submission by the superintendent's office that's who technically submits the grant application but we will draft that in a pdf form so that when they can get into the computer it's basically just data entry you have to make sure for example the certified meeting is for board of approval that specs is complete that the
044three local resolutions that we noted from town council is complete that they're going to hold the referendum no big report findings the way of november 15th that's got to be so a lot of it's meeting minutes and certifications it's actual head starts themselves uh we'll be submitting a budget um there's a couple of different budget formats that we have to submit the state request we'll be preparing a lot of that um but a lot of it's it's a little bit everybody yourselves town council hustle and what we do is we compile one digital folder that has all those items in it so we go onto the computer upload upload upload and hopefully in a couple hours it's all uploaded but it's a very specific process so then uh let's say at the end of may
045you know um you know for from jeff and ben hey can we get certified business for the grant application as we get the certified minutes from top council approving the resolutions okay we got to get that that's got to be certified by the time clerk put that into the folder so that when we go to like you said early june you want to have 90 of it done and it depends when those those local certifications get done uh and then once we have them all right so to tim's point we do need some kind of exactly what town council meeting they're going to be voting for these resolutions that's in that is in the process of what you're thinking is correct exactly so we know exactly who's voting when on what what day so the
046you know you also you have two weeks typically a couple weeks or so until the next meeting until they work through the meeting with that yeah well as soon as we get that number distributed we have more of a macro schedule we're going to extract out all these dates uh probably in the next couple weeks of the exact timeline so everybody's on the same year it's going to joke we're going to ask i'll tell you exactly what you're trying to yeah so for the new it's roughly 35.72 for new construction uh 10 higher 45 okay so there's always a ten percent difference between those two okay and it's always the year that you vote for the quantity the funding is approved but that that's the year that it costs right correctly all right generation one
047plan but in board of town councils um all right i'm going to ask just a truly wild question this is a question coming from a layman uh there are when we take state funding there are many many many requirements that come with statements right it's really almost like a state it's billionaires this is crazy what happens we build it ourselves like are we freed from all those state applications for everything from you know um travailing wage and all of those other requirements that we have in the problem um i've never seen a district do so [Music] entity so um there are predominantly trade laws for construction for public construction and whether it's the state or local before that so for bell and wager you would um you know if you didn't go through the state
048so some of the some of the there's some nuances here because um you know they have guidelines they they have right they say you want to overfill this state standard i'm not sure what the ramifications would be say 18 years from now or 15 years hey we built the school on our own now we want to do improvements to the school district but we were never involved with that in the first place i'm not really sure how that would play out to be honest that i've never seen it smaller projects like group replacement projects a lot of districts will do those on their own but major projects like this because the department of education the ocgr is really acting on behalf of the department of education that's really kind of important to understand they didn't
049completely charge statutorily to manage the grant process i think you probably want them involved you know because they are department of education [Music] there's a certain size that the auditorium can be under sd guidelines right so if we were to build that in our they use that as a guideline to go are you and if we exceed that number you can exceed it you can't exceed the whole lot the state's going to go you're and we're not going to participate he maybe say hey we're we're going to take the bill problem is not the state legislation comes into play everybody wants to go that's all our debt that's going on in connecticut because of not the standard um so when they review the grant application they want to make sure that what we've done for
050the spec is reasonable that we justify like for example the darcy program that's a space hungry program um if you take the pupils multiply by space and how would we fit into it what there are the state realizes that that program has certain needs that have to be um that need to be met so you know they don't say exactly what the auditorium should be some elementary schools we've done 4 500 square foot uh the first three schools in southwind over 4 500 square feet property the last one we do we're one we're starting right now is six thousand square feet it's a bigger school 800 students 100 000 square feet so we're able to absorb that square footage because there's pushing poles you have common areas when you go through the process you see
051there's certain things you can fit and as you get smaller populations it gets harder to fit those in because you just have less square footage but you still have common areas like the administration areas the nurses office the cafeteria those those don't really shrink down too much between the 400 students so you can build it it just depends how far over you are you get to justify this program though we wouldn't be able to stay you have to check with the state i haven't experienced that i've or done it um there'd have to be discussion with them um i suspect they probably want to say okay well when you design your school locate on the site where you want to build and build your school then maybe build that later but we've never gone through
052that so i don't have any experience to really say if you can or can't do that it might be unauthorized funding you'd have to watch that very closely because your dollars start getting mixed and the state gets i think a little nervous on that um [Music] you said department of education that's where their interests lie it's not our we're not the first priority and and we we're we're agents of the state i know but thank you and i'm sorry i guess i i i i don't i it's not gonna get solved it's just not having fault but it just you mean something bigger than no just um it's i'm looking at what we're going through and again it's not it's actually just moved because it's never going to go anywhere but it's this idea that
053we are determining this and that has meant based on that what we feel is best for necessarily trustworthiness and you know this is where we are so um [Music] that's it okay