001here rich genelli here kathy molinaro here al russo here and i am also here so the full committee is here did you want me to go through the full recall uh i'm sorry you didn't want me to go through the full roll call correct just no no just just us that's fine so great night i thank everybody for being here and before we start i just want to make two announcements i guess you call them one i'd like to congratulate and and welcome john and eddie to their first finance meeting um this will be one of many many i i hope and unfortunately this will be my last one and i just want to recognize kathy who has been on a board for maybe 16 years is that right kathy i lost count richard yeah
002and has served with me for approximately that that length of time and equally on the finance committees we've been able to be on the same committees for the number of years we've gone on a board and i think this will be a swan song as far as the finest one so um i do want to i appreciate your your service uh kathy it's been a pleasure to to to work with you and uh and gentlemen from here on in we passed the baton to to you fellas and mr walston and we wish you lots of luck thank you mr ginelli um and thank you kathy uh we'll we will try to make this evening's meeting a memorable one um if nothing else if if nothing else uh make it a meeting that um given given
003the conversation about the finances in the last meeting just um it'll allow you kathy i take the leap with the level of comfort you didn't have in the last meeting yeah so i hope so kevin i hope oh absolutely so let me just share uh this evening's agenda and the agenda and i just want to thank everyone again for joining us this evening one the first one is the 2021 year and financial report also i just want to make the board aware that once again we are finding ourselves with the surplus which you're going to find about the 2020 2021 school year um and so we want to review the city reserves what has been shared as a surplus in previous years we're going to walk you through that we might recall at the end
004of the 1920 school year there was also a surplus um given that we didn't re-enter schools after march and so and then years prior there were also monies uh submitted to the reserve with the city so we want to walk you through some of those financials and then just an overall from john and ed just to speak to how things are going in the finance department and just update the board just kind of given um how far we've come in the last four or five months i just thought it was important that the board heard it directly from john and ed how things going in the department so i will start with the next page and this includes a finance report that john had shared with the board um in preparation for tomorrow's board meeting
005but it's certainly also relevant here given uh the committee and john if you don't mind i'm going to give kind of an overview of what we're going to be talking about this evening and then i'll ask you to kind of swoop in and give a little bit more specifics so i i just want to share with the committee um during the 1920 school year you know we'll all recall that we were out of school um after march and and so for half of march april may and june we were not in school and so that means all the things that we had budgeted for for in-person learning whether that was special ed out of district placement funding whether that was transportation for regular transportation athletics transportation special ed transportation food services and the revenue that's
006associated with food services just just to give you some kind of high level examples of some things that we typically budget for in the school year um that we were that frankly we just did not have those encumbrances on invoices etc from march through june because we were not we didn't have did not have in-person learning uh what will you what you will also see as part of our discussion this evening i mean you may have had some time to look at it over the weekend um you know one of the many things that we did not budget for was an increased cost in the 1920 school year in technology which needless to say we blew the budget on purchasing chromebooks and laptops to make sure we can realize our one-to-one district goals during the
0071920 school year in 2021 school year so you'll see evidence of that as well but then moving on to the 20 20 21 school year you know we typically annually budget for benefits for health insurance again transportation athletic events all of those things and and although i think going into the 1920 school year i think we kind of accepted and anticipated some type of um surplus given we were out of school from middle of march to june well i just want to remind the committee we were not in school from september until january last year so given that again we budgeted for in-person learning and did not have in-person learning take place uh there's consider considerable surpluses in a number of those different categories that i talked about the biggest is which is insurance because
008a lot of our staff members were not going to the hospital not going to the dentist not going in for the immediate the hospital visits they would typically go for um and frankly i don't think it comes as a surprise to the committee given a lot of those places were not even available for in person until the pandemic began to open up so we had over during the 2021 school year um over four million dollars in in surplus just for insurance alone and so i just just wanted to give you kind of a broad overview um as you can see on this screen we have a a surplus for the 2021 school year of two point over two point eight million which is a little over two percent um and i'm just going to ask
009john to jump in and just kind of speak to some of these realities for last year as he was looking back at our spending what we did and did not spend oh thank you kevin good overview and i'll be able to skip some of the highlights that i i plan to talk about um but yeah and that's the message you know when we when we put this budget together in um the spri in late 2019 in early 2020 um no one thought that the pandemic would continue into the fall of 2020. uh as kevin mentioned everybody was home but we thought the pandemic would end and so um we budgeted as kevin said for a normal school year um the usual program services activities um these days we call it uh face-to-face instruction we've even
010given it a name but that's what we thought would happen and and it wasn't meant to be as you'll see there at the bottom of the first paragraph elementary we students came back by level as you remember in the elementary students came back on january 19th the middle school a week later and uh the high school on february 1st so that was halfway through the year so uh about 98 of our budget uh was expended it was a budget of 135 million uh and you'll see in that uh there are some other pages that tie that out but uh only uh two purse two percent was returned or but that's 2.8 million dollars on 135 and that 2.8 goes back to the city surplus but it goes back when the auditors uh complete their work
011which uh will be next month or early december you know they come in and they see if things are in the right year and are they classified all that but um that that's what we think will be going back into the surplus uh or reserved which we'll we'll talk about in a second and as kevin mentioned the largest uh line item returning money uh was health and dental insurance and as he said no one was going i shouldn't say no one but uh the people were putting off procedures that's been well documented in the news i won't go in that people were not going to the doctor for different reasons and on a budget of um we expected to spend 25 million uh there was 3.4 million left when all the the claims were paid
012so that that was a big big number uh but on 25 million and given what was happening then uh i'm not sure that's um a whole lot school bus services you know because there was no uh school in the first half yes we we had an arrangement with the drivers but there uh there were a lot of things that just didn't happen uh athletics of course were postponed in in the fall most of the winter some of the spring so none of those runs went there were no late buses after school things like field trips severely curtailed if if any at all and even the midday runs that we we have students going to different programs those were much less than anticipated so at the end of the year we'd still paid 93 percent of
013what we had budgeted but that's a 10 million dollar budget and it left 630 000 unencumbered or slated to be returned and then although special education students many of them came back uh early in november for um other reasons uh we didn't use as many tutors when everybody was home and whether we call that remote learning or distance learning um there just weren't as many uh one-on-one tutors so um on a budget of 4.4 million for that we returned uh 7.7 that was 340 000. so that that's another big number uh i'm sure you've all read and heard and heard us talk about a statewide shortage of substitute teachers people who used to substitute teach didn't want to come in anymore for different reasons we couldn't cover as many classes with substitutes they had to
014be covered other ways not what you want to do but it did return a balance uh in the budget and that was 483 thousand dollars while we had hybrid and remote instruction and and what happened uh so those were those were budgets that were not used uh but on the other hand there were things uh that were used in quite a bit more you know just cleaning the schools all the touch surfaces everything that had to be done to make the school safe when kids did come back that are our custodial salaries and wages and not necessarily meaning extra people but it took longer to do we we spent 244 thousand dollars more than we had budgeted uh for a normal year for extra cleaning and custodial kinds of things but the big uh the
015big ad was technology you know sure we had quite a bit of chromebooks and we had help from the state and and from grants but that was not nearly the whole story teachers needed things in their classrooms so they could communicate with the kids whether it was little cameras or or things to set up microphones all that as well as more computers for them and for the staff remember everybody for a while was working uh remotely and we spent seven hundred thousand dollars uh to make that all happen uh our budget was 181 000. so there was a 520 000 uh increase overage uh what have you that um was unexpected and then uh lastly what i mentioned there um i think there's a little little symbolism our auditors were in uh last week thursday
016and friday uh they too had been remote a year before so they were coming back as we were coming back everything that had been virtual uh is now returning to normal so i mentioned that it went well no exceptions were noted or pointed out while they were here so that's um that's the the highlights of the report i i think i just closed by saying um it's really difficult uh to take away anything uh from this year that will help us i think build uh the next budget in a couple months it was such it really was a second year in a row of just um atypical just call it atypical as an understatement um it's just very uh unusual times uh but nevertheless the numbers are here in front of you there's a summary
017sheet we put together um looks uh says summary of budget i don't know kevin if you want to put that one up uh just so they can see i i think it's in your package there it is uh by some of the familiar uh line items you can see salaries benefits uh what's encumbered those are just purchase orders that haven't been paid yet the bills that may not have come in on june 30th are pretty typical and and on the next column to the right what we call the unencumbered balance uh that's the money that goes back and then we gave you a little more of a drill down on the next few pages so you can see uh some of the individual lines that make up that um i would point out we changed
018accounting systems in the middle of the year but so there may be some variations between lines um that maybe on a given a second try would be different but the total expenditures is locked in that's the the cash and the banking number same with the unencumbered balance of uh 2.8 million so happy to answer any questions or anything you might want to talk about any of the committee members have questions to john or kevin um i i just have one question richard um are we all paid up on our our bills i guess is what i want to know um for instance um school lunch comes to mind um are we are we current with that billing yes absolutely kathy so and john didn't get to speak to this one but i will ask him
019to do so we have a um literally check written to food services because we we had an outstanding balance because um because we didn't have the revenue that we typically would have coming in and i'll ask john to help with that but typically we we get revenue uh by by giving food to students and so because we didn't have the students in person we didn't create the revenue that we typically would create at the same time we continued to pay our food service workers so there was an outstanding balance that needed to be addressed so uh right now and this was i don't know if this was before sal left or right after i started but i do know what check was written to address that outstanding balance um but i'll let john speak to
020the specifics on it yeah and uh it was for 550 000 and it was uh encumbered against uh what i call the old year uh so that that is um pretty much closed and for the the reasons uh kevin mentioned uh one of the things that happens in in food services you don't you really don't make much money at your elementary schools um you make your money at the high school where kids are buying things and and when that's closed for half a year that's where a lot of the revenue was lost thank you i'd like to say is is just a summary uh i agree with your statement john this year as well as last year had been an unusual year and hopefully looking forward we get back to whatever normality or the new
021normality is but these large uh favorable unfortunately favorable variances we had are at least explained and and i i think that's an important issue because i always worry about people thinking when we have a large variance that there's something wrong with the budgeting etc or you're trying to inflate your budget and then come back next year and ask for more money but the last two years being the covered years i think that's a practical explanation where you would have large large variances particularly in these line numbers and for the reasons that that you would mentioned one thing i do want to ask and i like your write up and i compliment you on your summary right if i i enjoy that i like the summary but i know the pockets program you have in the
022accounting just prints this stuff out but if i were saying on what i'd like to see in terms of reports would be something with some more subtotals on it um so you could look into and drill down on on you know salaries and whether you have administrator salaries or teacher salaries you know you get more definitive with subtotals and than the grand total i don't know if this software allows you to do it but to the average person looking at a laundry list of numbers becomes very very tedious and very boring so you know i'm not sure whether your software allows you to to to do such a thing but it it does and um those subtotals would would help us uh just as much so uh it's something we want to see um at
023the end of last week for the first time we had uh tyler technologies that's the uh owner of the infinite visions of software uh they came in to see us i'm sorry um they came in to see us and uh they're gonna put a plan together for us um which gets at a lot of these things uh even the training was interrupted uh by coveting wasn't uh we're not where we we'd want to be um and uh financial reporting is is high on the list so i think um i think you'll see those get better uh each month that we go along right you know the more number friendly you make it to the the viewer the more interest you would get into it the more i think meaningful conversations and and and basically that
024conversations that you would have on it um i i do want to thank you because this is the first time i might be pre-jumping it now going into the reserves it's always been a mystery you know we hear the word reserves in the board and you know we're told that there's a legal requirement for the reserve for for self-insurance etc um but this is an excellent breakdown and i i tend to think annually to keep people abreast uh of of these these numbers these are big uh big numbers uh if you want to go through kevin wants to go through the rationale and the need for some of these and the totals would be appreciative but i do want to say this is the first time since i've been on the board that we were
025able to get such a concise figure as to really what is in our reserve and what it means on the city side and what it means to the board too in terms of the capability of using it when we should use it mr j thank you for setting us up for number two on the agenda and i'll i will re-share the screen now so the second item is city reserves i just want to make the committee aware john ed and i had an opportunity to meet face to face with dave st hilaire i believe it was two weeks ago now and it was a very good meeting number one it was an opportunity to introduce um ed and john two to two dave st hilaire that's number one uh in this but two i think
026it was also important to begin to speak to the rationale behind the reserves and that how that is has been set up over the years um and so we wanted to just make sure before frank left uh that we reiterated uh that conversation with dave which we did um john given his um vast experience and not only experience on the education side but also the municipal side um i think there was an immediate just kind of respect and admiration on both sides and so i you know all the more reason why i'm continuing to appreciate john's john johns um john uh joining us here um the city reserves um peace is um [Music] an interesting dynamic for us as a district um and unique situation that has been established here in danbury that as i
027was understanding from frank and john is a little different from what other districts have set up more importantly we have put monies in certain areas insurance special ed special education technology really as kind of rainy day funds for the district this this has been in practice of ours not just last year um in this year but years prior as well and so you're going to see number one a fund balance for the 2021 school year i'm sorry you're going to see a fund balance for the 1920 school year um you already see you've already seen a surplus of 2.8 for the 2021 school year but you're also going to learn um that there are additional reserves in our in our fund balance and um john i've asked john because john and i we've been talking
028quite a bit about this some of the rationale behind it and there is a rationale behind it and that and it's kind of best practice associated with it as well so john i will fast forward to that page so the committee can see it i mean whatever else is watching please close your eyes while i am fast forwarding to that page thank you for the compliment but you you must be talking about somebody else we're happy you're here john so um and this uh this chart is an excerpt right from something uh david st hilaire uh created himself so i'd like to uh just walk you through it briefly um at the very top line 2.443 million that was the unincumbent balance a year ago uh you heard us talk about 2.8 um that's not
029official yet that's nowhere on this page if nothing else changed it would add to the total but it has to be audited first so um last year when they uh all the books were counted there were 2.443 and they they put it into four different reserves now a reserve is uh a name for an item on your the town's balance sheet you know the school board doesn't have a balance sheet there's only one and that's for the city i mean for the city so um in in smart finance boards do this at the end of the year but here they took uh 531 000 and put that into reserve for health insurance claims at the recommended level you know we use a consultant gallagher to help us decide how high we should raise the premiums
030for the next year and that's based on how much money is there to pay claims if there's a lot of money you they may recommend not raising the premiums you know the employees pay the premiums part of them uh or if uh the reserves are getting low then the premiums would go up but they you know they're experts in this and they um make recommendations so that that was uh one of the things uh that the money went to uh then uh probably the most uh interesting one and the most flexible one to you as a board is that second piece nine hundred and eleven thousand uh is a contingency fund which they're saying is for unplanned expenditures are related to board of ed operations it's that that clear it's there's no more uh definition
031than what's there this these again were written uh by david these are his explanations uh then uh you heard kevin mentioned the third one five hundred thousand dollars for unanticipated fluctuations in special ed placement services those are those out of district placements that are very difficult to predict they can come at any time of the year long after your budget's put in place and and some of them can be quite costly so uh this is a very smart move i think is to set some money aside from those with if you haven't um they can really be difficult uh to deal with and then finally uh there's a another five hundred thousand dollars for what they describe as technology initiatives uh including software hardware training infrastructure and they leave it generally initiatives i i guess
032that's uh to us and them to decide uh but that's a pretty um encouraging word uh for using uh the amount and then so there's your your your surplus from last year and then below that is what was already there what was added to um and you can see the um the first two really relate to not really they relate to health insurance there's a 2.1 million for the ibnr fund that's a separate carve out and then there's uh 4.6 million that was set aside for claims you know because claims there could be things that happen april may june they take a while uh they might be being adjudicated and you it really takes some time before you see all of those medical expenses come in so they're they're saying these were claims that were
033incurred during the year but we haven't seen them yet let's set that aside if you read the whole email it said that the town the city had not received support for this number they do have support now i checked with gallagher this afternoon they sent me a copy the email they had sent david which spells out all the numbers i'd be glad to share with the committee tomorrow by email it's it's kind of technical but there's no reason you can't see it or look at it if if you want to um so so those are the big reserves for hel health insurance those those two big ones there and then there's a workers comp reserve you know if there are uh injuries on the job uh we uh we are insured against those that were
034insured to pay most of the claims but uh there can be um extraordinary claims and different things that happen above what we're insured so here they're setting some money and sometimes those end up in litigation in front of the workers comp commission and we could be ordered to pay something that our insurance company disagreed with we disagreed with but uh becomes an in order so they've put some money on their balance sheet just in case those things happen and you um the organization our size uh there usually are things going on that's not anything uh unusual to with 1800 uh and some odd employees and then finally uh there's forty thousand dollars there called a lap reserve um you know educators are famous for their acronyms uh lap stands for liability and uh property why
035they call it lap i don't know but um those would be the the typical kind of um if they are typical lawsuits and slip and falls and things like that that happen uh over the course of the year that that aren't workers comp that aren't health insurance but um you could end up with um some type of judgment uh against us so so when you add them all up uh it's just under 10 million dollars most comes from health insurance and there should be another 2.8 million if our projections hold that would be looked at and and what the way it uh the timing of setting them up is uh generally it's one of the last things that a finance director like david does or or city accountants before they close the books and and
036throw the key away it's um the reserves are set up the auditors sign off and then uh the annual report is prepared so that's uh those are the reserves and and i i just uh echo what kevin said um we simply asked for them and and they gave them to us it wasn't no hesitation at all so good to see and thank you so much for that breakdown sure any committee members have any questions on this john let me ask you something um i just want to qualify and kevin my statement when i said we had my reference to never seeing the reserves or the first time i've seen it would be a year-to-date reserve we were informed of the reserves uh basically the 6 30 20 but we did discuss the the 2.4 million
037and how it was allocated so i just wanted to make that that was clear it's just that the recap we had on an ongoing basis what's in there on a year or date was never really uh put forth in such a manner and i think it's important the the 4.6 million dollars um that you said is is part of an insurance calculation where the city has the information on that is that correct yes um it actually comes from uh gallagher that's okay they make a recommendation and um they they recommend the level the the thing that happens uh they make recommendations in may and then it might just change a little bit uh because at that time they only have claims paid through april for still two months to go but it's very close okay
038the my next question is of the 10 million dollars in reserves or what is is a restrictive is is the combination of the the the dollars put aside for the health insurance solely restricted to to be used against the health insurance or just let me leave it at that question if you get the ur well i think uh the second and third health insurance ones the 2.1 and the 4.6 um that that is uh recommended by our actuary to pay our expenses so i think it's um it's really kind of foolish to try and disagree with them on those however the initial health insurance one there the 531 000 uh that looks to be administratively determined that did not come from a gallagher recommendation so that could be talked about in a worse case but
039i think that that would be my last choice uh the others though uh very much so um i i should have pointed out the last line in that memorandum or that schedule it just says the board of ed must submit a request to the mayor or department of finance to use these funds with supporting documentation um i i think that's pretty good it's not overly restrictive it leaves room for depending on the situation and how we describe it or forecast it or that kind of thing so that 900 11 000 there that looks very much under your purview uh by letter um i think uh further i think the the special ed is something that if we felt our special education tuitions were going to be manageable i don't think we should hesitate to ask
040for that to be used for different purpose and same with technology you know maybe we were to uh be blessed with a lot of new grants that could pay for things but those those three things are really school operating budgets uh and you have the final say in how your operating budget is spent the fact that it's you know something's been set up on the city balance sheet uh doesn't take that away um and then also the um the way they've the last two there the workers comp those are board of ed employees uh and they're calling a board of ed lap reserve and those are expenses also in our operating budget so i think all of those i i think are uh you know available if the situation uh warranted um and particularly the
041uh the first couple i mentioned another question in a normal course of events in the non-hectic years we've experienced last year with the entries for the the reserves regardless which one it is be made prior to the the closing of the books or would it be so your final number would be a net number and and and not a uh an estimate and yeah without a a large balanced life like this where you're then footnoting or by some memorandum indicating what you want done with it when uh when kevin and eddie and i were over there one of the things david said was that all of these he might have even called him recommendations of his go to the city council i took away i had the impression that they approved them voted on whatever
042uh in a formal session and that's that's pretty typical on things this size uh finance director most likely wouldn't do it on his own uh without some type of uh reporting out i i didn't go back to check to see if it was what you know there's a vote or something but but they would be final numbers to answer your question i mean on our side prior to us closing the book so when you do the final that they would right yeah because that that number at the top the 2.443 that's the difference between your budget and your expenditures and that's what the auditors are were doing yesterday last week okay well thank you very much and this is very helpful you know as i said i think it's a good it's good to have
043it it's certainly using the word of transparency and at least everybody knows what's available to us for you know for the specific reasons so i i thank you again for that it's quite informative thank you thank you mr j i don't know if there are any more questions on the city reserves no i don't see any so mr j i'm i've also asked john um and um eddie uh of course to join us this evening um but two just to just kind of speak to the first couple of weeks um being here new in the district and what they have learned i i think this board has probably heard a lot more than they've ever cared to know about tyler and tyler implementation um happy to report that john comes from a district where they
044had to um incorporate tyler and lead the train he led the transition in his previous district um and him and ed have um already began to get a really good handle on the work and and able to support staff needs here in the district but i'd like for the two of them to just kind of share with this first i don't even think it's been a full month yet um but but how things have been uh coming on board hey ed would you like to go first on this yeah yeah um good evening everyone thanks again um kevin john and the committee um just to touch base and i'll be quick because um you know this is week four we're beginning week four uh um and it's uh it's been very i have to admit
045i i appreciate everything i appreciate the the process um working with john and kevin and frank um in the city you know i personally have learned a lot and you know the 15 days of work business days or 60 including today but um we've gone through as uh john mentioned the audit report last the auditors were here last week um frank uploaded a lot of documents he uh he trained me on it we uploaded a few more um the beginning of last week right before he left um so there hasn't been anything fingers crossed you know we are receiving more information as of today um and we're providing that information with the team um uh the team is you know we're going through the contracts the lease agreements something we're looking at right now to
046see how we can better utilize the the funding for the district and see what other options we may have um as john did mention um tyler did come in our he was like a project manager uh to create a training slash plan for us a session plan and then beginning i thought tomorrow we'll have someone from phoenix because as you know as um we went from one system to the end to another system right in the middle so we need um there's certain reports we need on both sides so we have someone from phoenix coming to uh kind of give us the um what how we can pull those report into tyler and get everything together um and then one big thing that i'm currently focusing on is our grants as you guys are well
047aware um not just ester grants but there's a lot of other grants alliance you know um title one two three um we have 21 21st century um there's a lot and um so we're seeing making sure we get to utilize as much of that as possible as you all are aware there are guidelines to them so we can't just plug them in anywhere um and that is it for my little updates and what i have learned and i'm it's i'm enjoying it very much i have to admit so thank you welcome aboard ed thank you i might just add to what ed said um a couple things um a preview of coming attractions um at our next board meeting the the second one of the month uh we're gonna be back up on the monthly
048schedule of reporting to you meaning we'll have a financial report uh through uh september 30th and then each month we'll be reporting on that and um just as important we're going to begin to report um more comprehensively on the grants and the spending on the grants i wanted to have that done tonight unfortunately with all that was has been going on it was just hard to get to but um it would be a almost uh the same kind of report we'll show the grants with subtotals by grant um what's been spent what's left that kind of thing we just didn't have that information in this system to give to you but it it's on the way great thank you john thank you if i can kevin um and john and eduardo i'd like just to
049make a suggestion or recommendations to you for things in the future you can consider one of them i think is very important is to have a schedule of the financial reports as to when you plan to to to have them but we all know we get the financial reports and they basically include the the the operations and and and the grants uh on the reporting sometimes it's helpful if you have a summary like if you look at the prior reports on the top which just show a month year or date the budget amount total expenditure and the balance so you have a feel for what's left and you can basically determine in total you know how things are going the other thing to me i always found was very important and iffy we have what's
050called enterprise funds and you know some we know some we don't when in the course of your learning curve you come across all of them you know again it would be good to make a list and and report on on those funds periodically uh the one that we would normally get a report on maybe once a year would be the rental the building and rental fund i know in the last couple years it's been enacted because of cobit but i think if we have a schedule of reports it would eliminate the emails back and forth that would uh you know say what is this and and things like that um my last thought would be from the public's point of view always thinks that the board is coming today i'm asking for money and and
051and yes we need money because we you know the expenses are there and costs go up you know one year over the other but they don't realize what the board does in savings and i think that's very important it might be good that there'd be some sort of a list that you and kevin come up with there's potential savings that you could look at and again i know you're just on board but in the course of the next 10 years you know there's it's sort of a check off list that's the things to get to because i think the public has to be aware of the savings that we incurred during the course of the year that we don't really expand upon or tell they just look at the net number as to you know
052what the the the overall money is that we need they don't necessarily know what we do to maneuver and save some funds so it's a matter of you know continually looking for efficiency and savings as a matter of boasting and saying hey we're not here we're basically here to spend your money wisely you know put it that way um and uh i tend to think that that's it i'm sorry i'm not going to be with you guys uh it'll probably make you meetings in the future a lot shorter because i seem to do all the talking um but i do want to wish you all and that goes to kevin too good luck you know my position is this is your ball game take the good improve on it chuck the bad and and run
053with it uh and it's you know for the short time it's been a pleasure to know you and okay it goes to the same with the committee members so with that if there are no other questions um i'll take a vote to [Music] to end the meeting does anybody have any other questions nope okay yep thank you thank you for the word kathy thank you kate all right i thank you very much uh everybody it was a very good productive meeting and good luck to everybody thank you very much rich we certainly appreciate your leadership here thanks thank you thank you thank you have a good evening everyone thank you you do thank you john and david thank you thank you rich