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Danbury Public School's Finance Committee Meeting 11-24-20

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YouTube / hatters tv
Date
2020-11-24
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Western Connecticut Planning Region, CT
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7,476 words · about 42 min
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2026-06-06

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001um rich was really helpful to uh get me to uh  focus on what i think is a meaningful i hope   is a meaningful presentation um and then what i'm  what i'm hoping to do is have this be a dialogue   with the finance committee and um it's a broad  overview you'll see and then relating rich asked   me to relate back to the last finance presentation  we did where you'll remember that we had we were   describing like what i would call a braided  funding scenario where we had another extra   10 million dollars and how we're going to spend  that he's asked me to give you an update on that   or how our budget right now relates to that last  presentation and in addition how it relates to the   board report that you'll get that you received  on

002friday for what we're pointing out for   expenditures in the general fund as of now  in addition some reporting on the coronavirus   relief funds and then i want to move into the more  nuanced you know questions that you might have so   that we can respond to those you know i can go  through rich and we can get gather information   together but without further ado i'm just going  to share my screen and i know that it's hard to   look at when you didn't have it in hard copy and  i will distribute it i do apologize that you don't   have it in front of you um but i was hoping  to walk you through it first so that it wasn't   um daunting that was my goal um so you're familiar  with i'll just start with this is the

003report that   goes into the board packet it doesn't have the  header but this is our most recent one as of on   november and it gives you sort of that summary  on the big broad level about where we are in   position to our salaries our substitutes you know  this is our budget this is our projected spending   our benefits um and all of the categories  you're familiar with so our service and fees   utility repairs and you're seeing some negatives  here and i just wanted to explain that to you so   at the bottom line of the report you notice that  you're familiar with our budget of 136 million   um this what we've done in rich has asked me to  do is not just our expenditure to date because   i don't know how meaningful that is to look  at

004well we've only spent 37 million dollars   um and we've encumbered another 99 million which  means we have a promise to pay out there through   a contract in 99 million but our real projected  expenditure is about 137 million because when you   annualize all those contracts that's really  the way you should be looking at a budget   and when we do that against where  everything sits in the budget now   we have a negative 1.4 million which is an over  obligation we're at 101 but i don't want you to   focus on that or worry i wanted to report it  out accurately but i gave some footnotes here   because there are three big sources of funds  that we spoke about when we talked that way back   when when we developed the budget together and  those monies have now come in

005and so once i move   what you do is you cut you move the expenses  over so a contract was hitting general fund   now it's going to hit cares act so that frees  up that money and that's going to offset   that gap and where we are if everything goes  as planned which we know it may it may not   we are dead even with our board of ed budget  and there's a lot of assumptions behind that   and i welcome um questions after we go through  the presentation um i'm you're going to remember   this document um i know or maybe you won't maybe  you've forgotten this document which is fine but   this was how we developed the budget it was a  little bit interesting this year how we did it   we basically i'll just give a brief reminder 

006because i want to update where we are from then   we basically said here was our old budget here's  the enrollment edition and here's the funding   edition that um we are getting through all of  these sources so that gave us 146 million dollars   but the city's proposal for us at that  time and continued to be only a hundred   we made this sort of looked at it from an overall  perspective looking at all of the sources of funds   um and then we and if you recall each of the  different categories and how what we need to   achieve would be achieved so alliance was paying  for some funds here so we looked at this against   what we asked for not hitting the right code  but that's um and then basically the big picture takeaway here is we had

007a huge insurance  adjustment so not only did we get an increase alliance funds and all of these  that are projected expense   on the insurance down and they've set us to take  down the budget on insurance and afford some of   the carry forward that we make based on an  actuarial assessment hi dr sal hi guys um oh really can you can anybody else hear me   if sometimes you're coming in in and out  you know like you're breaking up yeah like   a tunnel or something okay let me see if um if  i'll get my husband to try to tether me to my   phone which sometimes is this better right  now okay somebody's coming through remember   go ahead okay okay so um so that was how basically  some it was affordable in the budget was the fact   that

008the insurance adjusted down the actuarial  assessment said even with covid even with our   increased race risk of this year where people  waited to go to the doctor you had some savings   we had a unique year last year so we matched  our budget with the city we worked with the   city on this to the actual projection and we set  up because we had a big big significant surplus   last year a big reserve in our insurance  funds to be able to account for any other   odd fluctuations so i won't bore you with but the  point is all of these additional resources i'm   just going to now update you on where we are with  those additional resources so this is a little bit   easier to look at and what we're saying is here  is you'll remember our budget

009of 136 million   and you'll remember our projected expense of 137  which showed that we're short by 1.3 um rich has   asked me to show you how we're not actually  short because it's about shifting the funding   and if you recall we talked about that 10 million  incremental increase to the budget that 10   million dollar increase grew to 11.7 because the  governor made this funding which is the corona   virus relief funds available to us and we didn't  anticipate it back when we developed the budget   that's allowing us to shift some money and  i'll show you that in a second but that   that allows us to do one-time things like buy  subs where we needed to do some extra work with   students we can buy some curriculum development  where we needed to do the work to get the  

010technology to align with our curriculum needs we  were able to buy a lot of desk shields and ppe   with those funds so the reason it looks like this  is because we have 2.5 to spend but we've already   spent some of it out of the general fund budget  so we come to balance once we right-size those   expenditures it's just that when we started to  buy those things this money wasn't available to   us yet so we couldn't put it up that we knew it  was coming so that's just a series of adjustments   but i think it's telling because you can see that  for example alliance this is just the incremental   ad we also have a base budget so the total  budget for alliance is 14 million dollars this   is just the additional funds that were added  the

011cares act this is the 2.2 million dollars   all of it is spent on coronavirus i think people  were asking like what of our base budget versus   you know there were some questions that  came up the cares money is and i can show   you the detail in the next tab in a moment  but all for coronavirus related activities   one time in nature there's some staffing  the staffing that's in the cares money   is also alliance eligible so when  we get our next bump next year   if we wanted to as a board decided to we won't  have to lay those people off they can slide right   into the alliance funding it's not a huge risk  if the city doesn't backfill that funding the   coronavirus relief funds we initially thought  we were only going to get 1.3 million but

012we   asked for and got another one and change just  got announced on friday so we're glad for that   but that just means we have to right-size  some of those expenditures and this buys the   hepa filters that money has to be expended  by a certain date right i think the board   correct it's a little tough because it has to be  spent by december 31st of this year so not just   obligated but actually spent so that's like our  desk shields um our disinfectant that we had to   buy in some cases we had to buy additional desks  you know to make the spacing work when the kids   come back um it's it's also for the signage that  we put up wash your hands maintain your distance   you know we spent a good 75 000 on just that  alone

013throughout all of our buildings um so   this chronovirus relief money is really helping us  in that you know the ppe the cleaning supplies all   of that as well as some student supports so some  of the student support specialists for six months   of their salary as well as some substitute  supports that we need for the accommodations   the grant carryover money this is this  is also related to coronavirus because   because of the school closure last year the state  made an exception where normally we're capped on   how much of the grant money we can roll this  year we requested and they allowed us to roll   a much bigger amount so we dedicated a portion  of that so we got 2.2 million in carryover funds   of that about 465 000 we dedicated just  a coronavirus type activity like um  

014software purchases for example and then we're  really um the city worked with us and we're   really grateful we don't know yet what council  will decide it could be a number higher than this   but we had some surplus last  year because of our closure and we gave it back to the city and the city  is holding it for us in increasing our reserves   knowing that this year is riskier so there's a  thing called an insurance corridor which means   you know there's a recommendation  from your actuary that you   meet your incur but not reimburse your prior  liabilities which we're fully funded for   in addition you can increase up to a 25  corridor in reserve which means 25 of   your current year cost so that would get us to  about 8 million in reserve for the insurances   and

015we're doing that with the city so there it's  very helpful it's not from our current budget   it's only because of coronavirus that we  had those uh a little bit of a surplus last   year and they're partnering on us to allow us to  continue to use that and they're going to present   that to city council this week um so broadly  speaking instead of the 10 million we have 11.7   so the mayor's going to do something at the city  council exactly what so we all here sure sure so   in a normal year when we closed the year  meaning in the past in my predecessor working   with you dr cell occasionally we would close  because you don't always close perfect zero   you don't want to close in the red but  if if joe closed with maybe a 400

016000   you know surplus which is a small percent  of our overall budget he would go back to   the city and the city would allow us to  hold that in reserve for technology or for health insurance and this year we requested and  they agreed to go to city council to create two   new additional reserves so a reserve for special  education funding and again that's only one-time   fluctuations and then for technology we increased  the technology and there was another new one for   it was like facility emergency related items  which would include anything related to   covet so that's about a million dollars that we  asked to dedicate to that as well we're just um   waiting to hear whether or not that  gets accepted and at what level   but 2 million is conservative um of which  we dedicated about

017540 to coronavirus   so i think the question was asked like how are you  affording your baseline are you using money from   these new sources to offset costs and not buy  things in current affairs i can assure you no   i can assure you that the staff really planned  very very prudently for this so of the 12 million   that was added about 5.8 million was dedicated to  coronavirus the rest is you know our operations   in a new world so and a lot of that funding if  you look at this summary sheet you know everyone   we were prudent like 3.7 of it was dedicated  to online instruction and distance learning   not because we knew we'd be in a remote  world but we knew even in a hybrid world   we needed to have these resources equal to our  sister

018districts if we wanted our kids to continue   to succeed at the levels they were and so kara  really really carefully crafted this you know   balance of a lot of different resources that are  electronic in the early grades the middle grades   and the upper grades and some staffing to support  it some new staffing um and that's the total there   and then we had some social emotional supports  it was some software and training modules that   we rolled out throughout the district that kelly  rolled out throughout the district and then we we   spent or are projected to spend a lot of money on  sanitizer disinfectant additional custodial staff   when we do go back um we've purchased a ton of  protective shields now that we got the additional   money we've made desk accommodations and safety to  the tune of

019about a million and um ppe this is the   face covering shields disposable gowns everything  that's about 600 000 and these buckets are a   little bit flexible so we can move amongst them  because the state recognizes that your priorities   could change if you're for example like us in  remote longer than you thought you would be   um and then instructional materials so these  like these two categories the online and   distance learning and the student supports in  terms of instructional materials will continue   to have benefit for our students beyond the  virus but they happen to serve the purpose of   meeting the needs of kids in a remote  environment so our total estimated cost   was that we've projected to spend or have spent is  about 5.8 you know our sources here are about 5.8   and you'll recognize those sources

020from  this sheet as well it's just a subset of   the 11 million dollars so rich also asked  me to kind of show you how that lined out   and basically you'll recognize that a bulk of  our budget is spent on salaries and benefits   it's about 108 million dollars and the rest  is just obligated services that we provide   so you'll recall again that one negative one three  eight one it's here that we show you on the board   report and it's literally just this these little  bits of cleanup that we do to right size where the   individual items should be charged with net which  net net leaves us pretty even we've got 17 000   left to spend if all things hold  true in this budget assumption   and then i just briefly explained each of  these little pieces here

021so the salaries   well why are the salaries over well we just  have to shift some language art specialists   and student supports where they really belong you  know which is in the coronavirus release funds for   services example fees curriculum development  tutors and teacher and student supports have to   be shifted to the right grant category and we're  going to do that before your next board report   and then utilities repairs and maintenance  this is really facility safety so it's   those desk shields we bought and this is really  ppe and other things that we um purchase that just   have to go to the right grant categories now that  the grants are available one other item that dr   sal and also rich asked me to bring up to you is  that because we were operating in a remote world   it's

022not part of the board of ed budget standard  budget but it does have an impact our school lunch   program has not been serving as many students  as it would have normally if we were open so   in an open world we have a captive audience and  they want to eat our food but in a closed world   even though we're open remotely and we're  distributing food we're distributing less food   and so dr sal called the meeting  with myself and the vice president of   the regional sodexo area which is our school  lunch provider came up with some strategies   to mitigate that risk given that we're going  to be in a remote world for a little bit longer   and even when we return there's possibilities  we'll be in and out we have to plan for that   and so we're

023doing a targeted strategy because  we've got to increase our meal count which means   we should be reaching another 500 families per  day um because the school lunch program operates   on a reimbursement basis so we have expenses  we have salary we have food items that we buy   and the federal government gives us money back for  every lunch and breakfast we distribute on a per   number basis um and when we're distributing less  we're getting less revenue so we just need to up   we need to increase our distribution and dr  identify about five strategies that we're   doing going to implement to do that which  includes a massive social outreach campaign   um and so we're going to be robocalling tomorrow  a survey for families that want to sign up for a   home distribution and we're going to do  a

024breakfast and lunch at the same time   and we're hoping to triple our bus drop off  distribution right now we have a bus drop   off distribution for about 250 families and we  want to actually quadruple that through a big   sign up campaign so we're hoping that that  will be successful because we're right now   we're still paying a big portion of our bus  contract per the executive order 7r to keep   retain the bus you know retain the partnership  with the bus company and have them available   for when we are back in school so why not use  them dr sal said so we're going to use them   to increase our mobile distribution and also  have them at fixed sites around the community   so that we're more of a presence and also just do  a really targeted outreach social

025media campaign   we plan to report out to the board at the next  meeting on our progress because if we're not   hitting those targets then it's a concern for  the budget um because the state rule the state   law about this is that if the school lunch  program is short the board of vet has to make   up that shortfall and i'm going to pause there  because i know i just gave a lot of information   i want to see if there are questions and have a  dialogue so on this last comment you made which   was a pause because you sort of got a call i would  say that the board will have to make something up   um do you think by the neck board meeting you'd  have a pretty good handle on the effectiveness of   your your program

026to increase the the distribution  yeah um we're hoping to get a part of it started   uh midweek next week um and so i would give  it about three weeks of operating before i can   have some results to report back but i think it's  important for me to report back regularly to you   all about it so that we're all on the same page  and you understand and you can give feedback um about any concerns you have if  we're not meeting our targets so i'd be ready to report just before christmas  i guess um and i'm not sure when the next board   meeting is but i'm happy to whatever the next one  is report where we are in terms of rolling it out   i would think that by how the  committee members you know   it's it's dr

027saw it's hard to understand  at least maybe it's my my complaint to me   i i would think that maybe by a february  meeting it could give you enough time   to see what the effect of your your  initiatives are and then we can follow this   up with uh dollars and cents so that we'd be in  a position to understand uh how much money if if   if necessary we'd be on the hook for all  twenty-four alternatives uh we have to   fund that that deficit if it occurs yeah yeah yeah  any possibility of anybody backfilling us because   with the executive order we're not laying  anybody often yeah so anything coming through   that way do you know yeah so you had me dr  sal put that on the legislative agenda and so   we did mention talk to the state

028about our  concerns um through the legislative agenda and   other um districts are experiencing the same  problem to my knowledge we don't know of any major   funding stream nor do any of the people at groups  at sodexo yet that's that's been available the   state wanted to use some of that emergency relief  funding for this the coronavirus relief act but   the feds didn't allow it um so we want to continue  to lobby for that because i mean it allows to pay   for very very limited things on the cares act  so you know paper bags that you had to buy to do   new distribution because of chronovirus but not  the food or anything like that or the labor so   um so we're going to continue to pursue that and  we've also asked the state to you know if

029we do an   estimate about the what the workers um insurance  the workers comp i mean i'm not sorry the um   unemployment insurance would have been were they  to get um unemployment and the state we're asking   the state to reimburse us that amount at least  because it's what they would have paid otherwise   um and in addition we're really really going  to target ramping up the production we have to thank you you're welcome and to the other committee members that  when i first noticed the the accounting   that we normally get from courtney and i saw the  1.3 million deficit it sort of rang the bell and i   got you know a little bit concerned saying see you  know all we overspent etc until she went through   and indicated that the and also the footnote  on the bottom

030of the statement was that the   accounting really wasn't completed at that point  because of the revenues that he was waiting for so   then we developed this and said well why don't we  just give us a summary which we has presented here   which tells what we were budgeted for and the  projected expenses for the year against that   we're able to see from here that there's almost  6 million dollars spent on the the uh voting   situation and how much of that may be one-time  spending or what's necessary for additional   spending next year in the different categories  so with the complication that we had last year   they say complications because with the uniqueness  that we had last year of the different revenue   streams that made up what we need to operate on  i thought that this kind of

031a presentation puts   things in line what we were accustomed to seeing  and approved and we could take it from there um so   courtney you see operationally the the i guess  one of the questions that it gets kicked around   is would be a logical question that says are there  any savings that we would occur this year as to   the schools being closed um thinking in terms of  could you follow that up with any any whether it   would be a net savings or that would be offset by  certain other things that would mitigate that yeah   so last year a majority of our savings um against  our budget was actually the health insurance um   and it wasn't just because people weren't going  to the doctor it was because we were seeing the   natural decline in health insurance we

032were  doing a good job with some of the strategies   that we lined up for our self-insurance that  joe and can put in place so we were seeing   some of the benefits of that and it rang true it  held true even held up against relative to our   peers how they were doing in coronavirus winner  assessor when our consultant did the assessment   in addition to that we saw savings on bus fuel  which we saw last year because we weren't driving   our buses and we negotiated you know a reduced  contract amount for the bus company last year   um and we carried forward a credit for that into  this year which was part of what also sort of   offsets some of those one-time things um the  other items that we saved money on last year were   you know electricity

033and and all the costs  associated with running the buildings because   we were really fully closed down for the most  part now um this year's a little bit different   even though we're fully remote we're running our  buildings our staff is in the buildings we're   still running our electricity we're keeping the  building safe and open as a community of you know   being welcoming the buildings are open so we don't  have those savings the bus company we have not   paid since september it's a projected annualized  amount right now because we're just not sure where   the state's going to land we're still assuming  that 7r is in effect and extended meaning we   could have some savings on the transportation but  potentially the governor could come out and say   you've got to pay the full bill or a large  portion

034of the bill which you know i mean   we do need to have that partnership with our bus  company we do need to have the drivers available   and they've been actually incredible partners  during the closure with the food distribution   and with constant changes to routing so all  their managers are active and they've even been   available to us to do things that we've asked them  to do that are a little bit outside their scope   because we know they're they're there  and they're they're they're not laid off   um so to answer your question the budget doesn't  contemplate any savings right now um we constantly   review against every every two weeks every month  we look at update our projections but a majority   of our budget is benefits and salaries and we  have not we've still continued to maintain our  

035you know requirement to students for the  class sizes that we commit to when we're   whether we're in person or remote and all the  support stuff that goes with it and they're all   working in a unique and new way or the old ways  but distanced but we all we still need all of our   staff to fully support all the kids that were  you know it's like 10 times the work actually   because they're having to revamp everything  that they knew so they're all still employed   um in so we're not really seeing any savings we  have some additional caught legal fees and costs   because we're assessing some things that we need  to assess that are unique that we haven't dealt   with before um but other than that yeah everything  that we're projecting in the budget is pretty much  

036you know standard and spoken for again i'll update  on the transportation as we become more clear   because we're the only you know one of the  only few districts that were full remote   other districts are now expressing it so in  numbers there's solidarity and we might have   some more clarity on that but our buildings  are fully running our staff is up nobody's   laid off so we really have the same projected  expenditures in our base budget right now all the bus drivers are we utilizing them in  any other capacity other than driving the bus or   the special thing so they're still driving  the buses for the non-public schools   and we were able to afford you know more  spacing on the buses they're going to   be driving the special ed students  next week when they come back return  

037and they're also doing food distribution so  i have about anywhere between six to eight   buses every day going out to distribute foods to  families food to families in need we're going to   expand that production as soon as um i apologize  it's going to be a confidential conversation   because it hasn't been spoken with the unions yet  so i apologize i'm speaking a little too soon but   as soon as we speak with the union meaning our  lunch staff and our safety advocates about the   potential modification to the schedule which is  slight then we'll be expanding our production   on the buses to get food distribution they  have helped us with um when we were bagging   up curriculum at some point they did help us  with that and that was great um and i talk with   their management staff

038pretty much on a daily  basis because we're just being agile and ready   to open each time so you know we're redoing the  numbers every time something changes and believe   it or not even when just you know 100 special ed  kids it's a ton of work because a lot of these   you know we want to get every everything right  because they're almost needy population and um and   we're in chronovirus time so it's a lot of work  to get even that set up and we've been ready to   go with each model that came down the pike and you  know we'll be ready again if we come back when we   come back in january so the management staff is  working full-time has it been any conversation   with the city relative to let's assume in our 136  million operating

039budget we do have a a favorable   uh difference uh under than on the spending is  there any any conversations that would allow   us to have a carryover again or is it too  premature at this point no i mean we have   a really positive relationship on that  front i mean we really do and i think um if it's warranted and justified i know the  city will consider that if they're able to   you know they have their needs too  um and all all funds are funds that   they could potentially need back but i mean they  recognize that these are board of ed dollars and   they gave us you know they're proposing to get  our a good portion of our surplus back this year   um and it was a lot of work um with the city and  we

040partnered with them to come to that conclusion   and really had to justify it and i don't see  that changing if we have a justifiable reason   you know if we get a big hit to our health  insurance and we have a carryover you know reserve   this year a surplus this year they will certainly  allow us to prudently put it up in the reserve   if we have a big it project coming up i'm  sure that we can make that case for example are there any questions from any other  committee members or i have a question rich um so courtney um i just i'm i'm trying to sort  of wrap my head around all this information which   has been very clear and valuable thank you it's  just my brain is a little bit too slow to process   it

041all so quickly no it's all good um what i'm  what i'm trying to to figure out is it looks like   if we were to maintain you know the system as it  is right now that we we could successfully get   to the end of the year and and you know meet our  budget what i'm wondering is because i and i think   everybody is anticipating that kids are going to  be back in school at some point and i'm thinking   about a lot of the uh area towns that i have seen  go back and forth with their their situation where   you have a you know an infection that shuts  down a class or maybe it shuts down a grade   or maybe it shuts down a school what i'm trying  to understand and i don't know if you've had

042any   conversations with other area districts about this  is what kind of costs we might see come out of uh   i don't want to say an episode that's not the  right word but an incident like that yeah yeah   i've only just started to because i think they've  just started you know it's relatively recent that   they're in that out and in mode a lot of i just  got a report back from one of my colleagues   that about of the 44 districts in connecticut  that they surveyed about 16 were on full remote   now through at least mid-december i think  was the date um so that cycling in and out   certainly has been a big focus of of kim in hr  because our biggest challenge will be staffing   and i think and i don't want to misspeak  because she's

043not here but i would just   categorize it broadly as saying that i'm  actually here i'm here oh you want a hair oh   oh good okay i thought you  were off today i'm sorry   i'll categorize it broadly and then i am  off today but i'm here thank you kim jon okay it's okay what i'm getting back from everyone  that i'm you know we on thursdays we've been   the whole area superintendents um have a meeting  and we're joined by uh our um ceo for the caps   the the expense that they're experiencing is  exactly what you cited the in and out and it   is the ability to maintain subs and bringing them  in in terms of sustainability that has been their   major pushback you know now how one estimates in  our budget we have approximately you know because  

044we we move it around 1.2 million maybe uh in  in the budget part of some of it's an alliance   in operation as recent as today uh with dr clark  up at um westcon um the state has provided us   the ability to um use uh students some home  student teachers students at the university   that enrolled in head courses um to work with  us we haven't been successful but we received   permission today to give you field experience  credit so we think that will increase so that will   help us but there's where the challenges and  and i don't know where that would go i mean if   it cost me more money i'd have to have people  right now we don't have people to pay to bring   in so that's been that's been our dilemma the  other thing and

045maybe kim can speak to that   would be if people are contracted and we  have to double pay pay for the person at home   plus hiring a teacher to to backfill in  a classroom there's where that would be   very expensive as you can imagine because you're  paying two salaries and most of many times um   benefits as well i know kim may want to comment to  that no i yeah i i would just echo everything you   said i think that the one thing that we're really  looking to do is it to see if we can bolster kind   of our more transient workforce if you will um  you know people that that will come in um if we   can align with the westcom kids um that would be a  great solution um it's just we're just seeing that  

046the pool of applicants even for the postings we've  got up now are really low um and we're not quite   sure why that is um but we're really struggling  with really getting um kind of pools of applicants   even for the places that we've got posted so we're  really looking at a bunch of alternatives and   it's a little bit of thinking outside the box we  also continue to get requests for accommodations   um and and some of them you know we're at the  point now where we probably can't absorb any more   of those um because we've done so many so we're  going to be challenged there's no question   i just want to add dr we did put in a proposal  with and got accepted for the cronovest relief   fund increase for additional subs so if the pool  is

047there we do have a little bit of funding to   supplement that 1.2 million um for this year  good but that's where you know that's the   unpredictability piece because we're paying for  the buses um my worry is the cafeteria the food   that is a big worry for me um because we got to  be able to serve so if when we do get back to the   hybrid that should mitigate i hope that part of it  which would be great but then the expense would be   mostly on backfilling folks in inherited staffing  okay thank you good question is that does that   answer what you're asking kate like the cycling  in and out you're looking at yeah i mean it   sounds like the the expense is really just  around staffing and what happens if we have   teachers um or

048um you know support staff that  are uh you know have to be quarantined yeah   you know we still have to have those you know  those classes being taught yeah um the biggest   thing yeah because the buses you know we  need to have continuity with the buses so   the the goal is to continue to pay while they're  to be able to have that available to us as we open   or close and open um and everything else is sort  of right like you said like the fixed costs of   all running the buildings there's still be run  yeah and you've already you know it sounds like   you you guys have done a good job of um you know  preparing to have those spaces be used you know   with uh you know the the different supplies that  you brought

049up the different protection equipment   and all that kind of stuff it sounds like that  we've got a substantial enough supply that   we can certainly go back and forth a  number of times without any kind of issue   yeah yeah definitely you know that extra  state money was really helpful for sure   and um we just got the the bubblers today  so those are getting installed this uh this   week tomorrow and next week so that'll be good  the individual water fountains and uh towels   and another question made a little bit off the  subject but to dr sal in one of our meetings i   think the mayor alluded to the fact that he  was working with the governor to accelerate   the the differential to bring danbury whole with  the ecs funding is there any progress on that that   we

050could have hopeful uh you know expectations  of that we would get an acceleration of   something that's greater than what's  been proposed over the next 10 years rich   tonight when you look at the proposal we have it  in our proposed legislative proposal to try to do   that so i don't the mark has not indicated that  there's been any success in that at this time no we asked for it again no rich you know like i said real that  squeaks the lavish gets the oil so   rather than squeak you know  i'd rather start yelling attention again on a unrelated subject to this  particular one when do you think we should start   the budget process uh you know it's very  complicated because of you know the epidemic   that we're in now and and all the extraneous costs  but

051you know before we know it june 30th is here   and then the deadline i think is sometime in march  if i'm not mistaken uh that we we need to come up   with some sort of a budget uh and then incorporate  again uh some of these coded expenses in there so   if you could give some thought as to what you'd  like to do with with uh some some dates to discuss   uh the budgeting concepts uh it might be good just  to have an initial meeting for brainstorming and   then get into you know a later one for for  details i'll leave it up to you but i think   the sooner the better because i think it's  going to get more complicated next year with   a whole lot of what if uh scenarios that are in  here yeah

052the uncertainties that that we have   yeah i'm more than happy to and you're right i do  need to get that going so i'll send you a couple   dates rich and then we can solidify when you  want to have the committee and and and set up a   i think we should just set up a group of them for  december and jan and i'll send you some proposed   dates that's a great idea yeah you know rachel did  some go back over to what kate was saying in a way   in forecasting um we have you know the the the  enrollment last year explosion it has kind of   subsided down with um to about kind of around two  percent i don't know it changed with changes that   the coming if that was going to um create another  challenge we

053know that our kindergarten number   this year is low so we've got to anticipate  like that so and i'm a little concerned about   predictability in rolling out the budget um the  carryover things that we're talking about um will   be interesting in terms of what the governor  might do with us because of some unanticipated   you know we're expecting to be in full operation  next year as of july 1st um so you know we'll   probably budget on normal staffing levels at  that level plus about a two percent increase   uh in our uh our in our our uh our enrollment so  you know i think that's the way we're gonna roll   at this point uh until something unless  something really different happens yeah well   i think this year with the two percent is you know  it's attributed to the

054the the ban on traveling   and and and the virus situation but danbury  is still danbury it's got a good reputation so   when and hopefully soon things get back to if  you use the word normal you know that'll be   another you know time to look at at the issue it's  funny at this particular point i'd rather have the   problems of trying to fund an increased population  than you do with dealing with this epidemic but you can't pick your problems that's true  and we can model it out so however you want   like if you wanted to show just the steady  state carry forward with the two percent   and then a two percent enrollment  increase versus flat versus four   you know yeah so that's the unknown well we'll  see what happens as we hit springtime too yeah   exactly

055well and you may you know one thing we  didn't talk about is you may see this vaccine have   an impact at least on how people are feeling  about all this and and you know that's going   to be a roll out that i've you know some some  predictions are it could be widely available by   may um you know it's going to start trickling  out in december um and you know one of the   things that we've done on our end is um we're  working with the health department to get them   they've asked for numbers of employees so  how many teachers how many staff members   as they go about finalizing the distribution  plan so we may see an impact from that also   right now i think it's going to come i think i  said to one of you

056i can't remember um it's going   to come in i think 100 dose vast batches and you  know if you need two doses obviously it's going   to come in small amounts it's going to trickle in  but it may actually start to come more quickly and   the city will will lead the charge on on how it  gets distributed and what the plan looks like but   we have um kind of taken those preliminary steps  to make sure that we're helping them to at least   have enough information to deal with our folks as  well board first right yeah superintendent first hold people first yeah we'll see   kim can i ask a quick question about that yeah  um it's sort of unrelated but i'm just curious   as to whether or not you've heard anything  in the legal sphere as far

057as requiring   the vaccination yeah i haven't heard anything um  you know it i i think we will get guidance on it   i mean you all know you have to have certain  vaccinations to be a student in our district   but there really are not i am hard-pressed to  think of what required vaccinations there are   to be an employee so i don't really know whether  that's something but i would expect that there   will be lots of legal guidance around it there's  a lot of people kind of speculating out there but   i haven't heard anything really definitive you  know i think that the the thinking is with the   numbers of folks that have already had it and then  you layer on the vaccine that those two numbers   together will push us toward that herd number  that herd immunity

058number so we'll see thanks um are there any other questions  from any other committee members   mrs cooper do you have any questions no i don't okay um if that's the case then what we  can do is to particularly adjourn i see no reason   i mean to be nice to have a social conversation  but i'm sure you have more things to do   and then if they're ready for the conversations  that that you need or any follow-ups we can pursue   it during the uh the board meeting uh at seven  o'clock is that agreeable to the committee members so all right so it sounds good rich thank you  okay so then i'll make a motion that we adjourn   i'll second that all in favor   all right hi okay so i thank you your attendance  courtney thank you for

059your your work thanks very   much courtney thank you everyone yep thank you  very much have a good evening oh you too thank you uh and thank you rich for all of yours no  i apologize you just left i'll send him a   note to everyone i'm publicly thanking rich so  he's not here i apologize i'll see you shortly

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