6/26/22 Azusa Unified School District Board Governance Meeting

001well good afternoon everyone and welcome to this special especially scheduled board governance meeting for the azusa unified school district board of education on june 26 uh we will begin by calling this meeting to order at 103 pm and next we will move to our flag salute next we'll move to a roll call uh board member rodriguez pena president board member bo here board member cruz gonzalez here member arianes present and i uh board member greer i'm also here now we will move to item 2.0 and specifically 2.1 approval of the agenda and we will take uh hand vote but is there a motion to approve the agenda make a motion to approve 2.1 a second moved by board member rodriguez penis second by board member beau and again we'll take a hand vote board member

002rodriguez pena yes board member beau yes board member cruz gonzalez yes board member arianis yes and i i'm barbara mcgregor i'm also a yes next we move to area 3.0 and specifically 3.1 public comment on agenda or non-agenda items this is an opportunity for the public to address the board of education on agenda or non-agenda items individual speakers may be allowed up to three minutes to address the board of education on any agenda or non-agenda items when the public wishes to address the board of education on an agenda item they may fill out a blue card stand at the podium or raise their hand while in zoom attendance the board will take blue card requests first followed by an order by speakers at the podium and then those in zoom attendance it does not appear

003that we have anyone in attendance this this afternoon to make a comment lika is there anyone online we have no hands raised on zoom okay then we will move to 4.0 general functions and uh specifically the one item that we have on our agenda which is 4.1 board governance workshop um i'll turn it over to superintendent or ticket [Music] thank you board president greer um just to bring us up to speed a couple of weeks ago we had our governance workshop we had dr yo from csba who was our facilitator we began the conversation we began looking at our survey tool and the results of our survey tool but we ran out of time the board of education decided on today um we are very uh plea dr yo could not make it um back

004uh but we're very pleased uh to have miss pride here um who's gonna pick up where we left off to continue the process of our board governance and our self-evaluation tool thank you very okay thank you and um good afternoon everyone thank you for being here on sunday i think that shows your dedication and commitment to following through with this process so that right there means a lot and it says a lot about your governing team so i'm going to keep this quick um as far as introductions go i have the opportunity to speak with most of you so my introduction will just be brief for individuals i didn't speak with them for your record as well so my name is angelina price and i am representing california school board association today csva i'm a

005consultant and a mixed facilitator for them i served on the rolling unified school district board of education for seven and a half years um like i said i spoke with most of you you know that i stepped down last year due to a conflict of interest with my job at mount san antonio college because i work with the teachers from our district and you only have one employee your superintendent and you cannot supervise nor evaluate anyone else from the district so reluctantly i did have to step down from my port position i've been with psta for almost three years now as a consultant and i do enjoy the work and i love being connected feel to the school boards and um i'm very entrenched in through 12 education as my current position at the mount

006san antonio colleges as the director of off-campus high school where i work with high schools um and i can't even stay in our district because we're way outside of our district so in the region of 42 high schools providing credit recovery and enrichment courses so um i love education and that that's where my heart is and so i enjoy being a school board member as all of you indicated that you do as well and i'm glad that i had the opportunity to speak with one and with each of you uh before we start i will ask is there um do you guys feel like you want to do introductions of yourselves again sabrina maybe i should just hear one from you if you don't buy just um just tell me why you ran first full

007board since we i ran in 2020 um as a first-time candidate i'm an educator by trade i've been working as an educational administrator in charter school since 2004. and um as a relatively new member of the zusa community um my husband and i moved here about five years ago um i want like my colleagues here wanted the chance to contribute my life experience and my professional expertise to improve public education which is really the bedrock of any community and that is in a in short why i ran sounds good thank you and thank you for doing that so i'm going to go ahead and we're just going to jump right into things i want to be respectful of your time and i want to make sure that we um get this process complete i've had

008conversations with your board president and one of the things that i told him was that i will not do training for the sake of prank i'm not a box trainer i have turned down the opportunity to work with a district before because they just wanted to go through the motions and that's not something that i do my goal is to be here to try to be to the board and to help facilitate your discussions around your board self-evaluation and that's what i i want to help with so i my plan is that we'll get through it we'll get all get something out of it and it'll be beneficial everyone involved um yours your board president has told me exactly where you all left out off at as well i've watched your last uh workshop a

009few times i have multiple pages and notes that i was taking as i was watching it so i i think that i know where we left off at and that's where i'm going to try to pick up that so just a couple of things though that stood out to me since i wasn't didn't start this process with you of course you know i went through the board self-evaluation looked at all the responses and everything and there were two things that stuck out to me when i went through it so the first one i looked at the survey was that um if you notice in the not sure column there is a mark for that column on every single question so i can tell you from my experience of doing the board self-evaluations um for the

010last few years is that usually when that happens is one of two things that i've saw number one it means that someone didn't take the survey because if someone does not take the survey it automatically defaults to not sure or it means usually that someone is like not fully on board with the process and so they just checked not sure not they're not sure and they put it aside i am not saying that that's the case that with your board i'm just telling you that's what i've found to be the case in everyone that i've done that's always had a not sure for every single answer because you don't see that we don't see that that often i think i've seen it maybe this is probably the third one that i think and one i

011knew someone didn't take and then the other one someone admitted that they didn't care about it and they just put not sure so that was the first thing that i noticed the second thing that i noticed was that there were no green um not one so and the green is the strength for most members and i just gave you this just because i'm a visual person i like to see things in front of me to help me remember where i'm at so there was um zero screens for the items on the board self-evaluation stating that one of the um the statements was a strength for most members um you did have uh 27 which was a lot for the strength for simple majority and 14 for area growth per simple majority and then there were

01220 for area of growth for most members and that there also is is a concern to have um such a large number down at that end so as i watched your last and and for president feel free to step in at any case um any time if i'm off track um as i watched the meeting from the last evaluation i noticed that there was a lot of dialogue that was starting to happen then it was like oh we're out of time and that was such a bad time to get cut off it was like there's finally talking everybody was talking and getting into the nitty-gritty and then we had everybody had the end so i'm hoping that um we can get through that today those items that we didn't get to finish and i'm hoping

013that we can continue the conversation a couple of things i'll have to say is that um i know that there seems to be a trust factor um amongst the board and one thing you guys also will notice about me is i tend to be more blunt maybe and i hope that you will allow me to do that if you feel that i'm being too blunt uh please interject i don't have a problem with that but i did notice that there seems to be a trust issue among some of the board members and i also noticed that there's still some hesitancy to talk about everything that needs to be said as a board member this is not a conversation that you want to have an open session and you alluded to that at that meeting um

014you stated that you do not want to have this conversation at an open regular board meeting and this is not something you can agendize for closed session so your only options are closed session open meeting or right here right now and that's what these meetings are designed for um i will tell you that when i first joined my board it was total chaos um there was it was a mess we were a mess for over a year uh and you know we just it it festered because we never had the opportunity to discuss it and and have this fun those conversations that needed to be had and we had um uh csba come in luanne rivera came in and facilitated a workshop for us and it was tough it was very tough it was uncomfortable

015um there were um hurt feelings at some point and but at the end it felt so nice because we were able to get so much clear and so much so many misunderstandings resolved and to deal with the things that weren't misunderstandings that had really happened but we never talked about them so they just festered so for um for us that process was very beneficial and it really set us on the road to being able to move forward and to um develop stronger relationship and after that we did it it wasn't like overnight everything was but we were able to start talking to one another and being more honest with one another and that helped us to continue on that path and i have to say that um my last uh five and a half years

016on that board were amazing we had an amazing relationship on our board because we learned that when something happened just to go ahead and address it quick talk about it you know be upfront with one another be honest with one another so we have that press and that's the foundation for all of this is we have to have that trust if we don't if there's no trust if everybody thinks oh yeah they said that but i don't believe it or yeah she said that she didn't mean that but i don't believe it there's a that's not we're not going to get anywhere plain and simple but we have to assume positive intent today we have to believe that what the person is saying um during the difficult conversations is their truth and we have to

017respect their truth and even if we don't agree with it we can ask questions okay well don't explain to me why you felt that way or why you think that that's you know what i meant or what i said or you know or this is what i what i took from what you said to me so it's just all about communication and those that i talked to everybody said communication communication so we need to have make sure that we're on the right track for communication so with that let's go ahead and get started um we can do this one of two ways i can ask you where you'd like to start um if there's one topic on here and i i want to start with the red usually i don't do that but we need

018to start with the red so um so that we can make sure we get all of that address so is there one of the topics and i'll um defer to you um for president if was there one that you wanted to start on right away uh i have a thought but uh remember did you have something to add okay i just had a question about um have we created a timeline and a structure for this afternoon in terms of how much time we're allocating to the sunday afternoon yeah so so the the timeline on the meeting is is scheduled for it's we're scheduled to have a four-hour meeting not with the expectation that we spend four hours but to ensure that we to ensure that we get out and don't run into a situation like

019we did last time where we have to finish uh prematurely don't finish the conversation so no it's it's it is it's less structured than that um and it's more kind of picking up right where we left off from the last meeting thank you thank you for the clarification on that and can i add one thing before i get back with you but that opened the door for me to say something also i want to make sure everybody has an opportunity to be but if um if we can keep our thoughts to just the specific we don't have to go into a whole you know big long scenario essay of what happened then why this and why that just state the fact this this this this is how i felt about it this is what i

020want to address because then people are more likely to listen when you start going into all of the minutia and you know in 1925 this is what you said and then in 1940 came back and said this and then you lose people because then they're gonna start tuning you out so if we can keep it to you know be be honest be inclusive to everything you want to say but keep it straight to the fact and that way we will all have time to get through everything and because we don't want to have to have part three um sure we'll go no i just wanted you to clarify for a statement i thought i thought we also wanted to make sure that we were going to just reaffirm our protocols that was so no yeah

021so we we can that that is not um that's not something that is specifically added and that's here however if what we want to do is take time to do that since we're here i think we we have space to be able to to do that um but i i i do want to make sure that we're able to to finish some of the more difficult conversation that we that we started and didn't quite finish so that would take priority we could maybe look to that um once we get on the other side of this conversation yeah i think if we have time we can move on to um what gonzalez wants but i think that where we left off last time was on number 15 board members treat each other with respect and i

022think that's really important because i think that is right the issues and and i would and i would wholeheartedly agree with that um i think we saw that there were about what if i remember correctly there were three items on that we had on the board right and all three of those items kind of all you know each of them fell within the category of board members shooting each other with respect so that that certainly would be the one that i i would say would make the most sense for us to to begin with or to continue we already started it but for us to continue and board president just for reference that was 4 13 and 15. yeah which to say them a lot is the board works well together is number four number

02313 is the board manages internal conflicts in a productive manner and number 15 is board members treat each other with respect so the combination of those three i think we can group them together and and have continue the conversation on it it was 4 13 and 15. so then um 13 was the one that i think we were you were on but we'll go back and revisit four as well because i don't think that that one was complete um i would say i mean it may not be most helpful if we chop them up and to say like let's spend time on four and spend time on on 13 15. i think i think if we just group them all into one and it's all i think it all centers around um us not working

024well due to lack of respect and how conflict is is handled internally so i think the combination of those things we can we can handle it at once excuse me so did you say 4 13 and 15. 4 14 4 13 and 15. okay so at the last um meeting when the conversation ended and i put you on the spot trustee cruz gonzalez but that was where we it left off with you saying that you felt that you hadn't had an opportunity to speak and that you were stating yes we need to finish this we need to have part two because you said that you didn't feel like you had enough time to say what you were thinking i don't know if you can remember exactly where you were or if someone else wants to

025pick up and start the floor is all of yours i think that we were in the middle of adrian do you feel like that was done i feel like we just you had me you had made some comments and then and then we had to cut yeah so if i remember correctly and if it's helpful i can i can i can try to restate some of the things some of the things that i said if that helps to get the conversation started but uh there were there were some things that i that i that i said um a lot of what i was saying i was directing toward uh for board member arianes i think last time we just said we're gonna use first names can we just shift to that for this purpose okay

026so um uh directed toward for you gabby and so we had a bit of some some back and forth and i think we we landed a place where i said um i want i want to be receptive and i want to hear that but but i but um one of the things that i stated was i think that there's a lack of self-awareness and within the space of lack of self-awareness um i i opened up and said uh you know there might be space for any other board members to share any thoughts or perspectives that they may have and i think it was in that space that um where it was kind of opened up that i think you had some things that you were wanting to add but but time didn't allow us to

027proceed sabrina did um speak um about accusations without evidence gabriella did respond they talked about the incident at the park and then that's where you came back in and you were stating that there were some things um that you felt that gabriella had that that kind of made things tough for all of you to work together and then we kind of got cut off then um at that time and then that's where when we started talking about everybody was saying they had to go and so they started talking about reschedule and then that's where um so i know i i pronounced it right like a few times and now i can't remember sorry i have to write it out phonetically but she only that's where you came back in and then you were saying that

028you felt like you hadn't had a chance to speak and that's that's those are notes i've taken it from my few times of watching that meeting so i'll ask if you would like to begin i i don't if it's i realize that there's things that i there are some things that i brought forward within this space that maybe got the conversation started if if so if you're ready to to go ahead and speak then then we can go there if it's helpful for us to kind of um briefly go through some of the things that we talked about before um i think that's also an option i mean i i can't go so um so just there's just a couple things to add um to what what adrian said and that um it's it's very

029difficult when we have meetings because often you when when we disagree on things right you you have a hard time agreeing and so often you'll make very negative comments about often especially me right about about my perspective and try to reframe what i'm saying in a very negative and that and it's it's one thing i think when you look at our governance manual we talk about agreeing to disagree and that's part of being able to function as a governing board is to be able to agree to disagree and to be able to be okay with somebody else so i think that's one thing um the other thing is i am i i i'm very upset about what happened last september when you as you went out as president of the board you went on a

030very long statement where you essentially publicly attacked both me and sabrina called us out by name right and said that we were attacking you and bullying you when there's as sabrina said there's no evidence to any of that in any of our public meetings and as you clearly stated we're not we don't really communicate privately so really that's the only that's only interaction that we have and so it's it's very difficult obviously that's not a place to respond to that right but it's very difficult to have somebody attack you like that in a public meeting especially when they're holding the position of the diocese the president and really just have to sit there and take that right and there's really been no resource compensation because i thought that was really inappropriate thank you so you

031mentioned two things um that you feel that um gabriella has a hard time agreeing to disagree and that that the statement that she made last december um was personal and and that it was not something that should have been said it was um inappropriate for that time so gabriella i'm going to give you the floor to first address the one about the having a hard time i i think you know i'm hearing you and one of the things that you know through through relationships regardless whether it's at work here home and there's conflict right and there's an issue that means that it's it you know there are some things that need to be resolved and i felt for the last year or two i would say that i i've been trying to approach you and

032trying to speak with you and i have been signed on i don't get texts back i don't get emails back when i was president i felt disrespected you've been on this board for 24 years i'm reaching out to you as a new president because i really wanted to have a conversation with you and i was disregarded so can i respond to that okay and yes i you know i there's there's feelings that we're probably festering and when there's energy that needs to be released at times right it's going to come out one way or another and you know um unfortunately i my intent is not to hurt you my intent is to have clear communication with you concise communication one of the things that i felt you know that um and i'm speaking to you

033you know is that i see i see other boards where you know they're able to speak about things go out for coffee or you know and not talk about agenda items but to build those relationships because you're you know they're we're leading a district they're leading a district and i i felt like i pride and tried so much hey i have a question hey and i you know and so i apologize if it you know if it has felt that but i also have felt like when we're in the board meeting and i say something and you're sitting right next to me and i'll say something innocently not knowing the answer i get it you've been here for 24 years you know a lot more i'm hungry to learn i'm hungry too to be able

034to have knowledge to be able to understand things right in policy and to be able to decode things and to you know to understand budget you know and i'm doing that on my own and i'm i'm learning but i have felt at times channeling and i'm reaching out to you i'm trying to understand things and then i get to the board meeting and i'm and i'm trying to to really be and and you roll your eyes at me or you you'll make little comments under your breath and that to me i felt disrespected and then when i became president you did it more i and then i tried reaching out to you even before december and i've gotten nowhere i felt rejected i felt um just ignored and i've tried and i have felt like

035i've just been treated like you know one of the things is like we don't have to be best friends but we are in a relationship all five of us it's like a marriage right you don't you don't have to be or you know two people that are raising a child you don't have to be best friends but you have to do whatever you can to be best parents right or we have to be the best that we can to be best school board members with each other having a relationship a respectful relationship and i get it i'm human and i make errors i know you're human and you make yours but i'm willing to come back to the table but talk about it reflect process and strengthen our relationship because i'm not the type of

036person that's going to be oh well forget i'm not talking to that person anymore that's not who i am i want to be able to build a relationship to strengthen relationshiping and i'm addressing to you because i have felt you know like i said um and i i apologize to you know it came out personal um but that was not my intent so can i respond now um because i appreciate that but i also think that it's very insincere because when you first got elected we did meet several times um you made it really clear to me that you didn't really like the advice i was giving you and you and so we stopped we stopped eating for coffee this yes gabby this is what happened um like about a year later you approached me

037you want to talk about ethnic studies and we ended up not meeting about that i forget why that meeting got cancelled um the next time you reached out to me was when you were trying to as i already mentioned i hate to bring it up again but you were trying to violate the brown act to have us overturn a decision that had been made at the previous board meeting um and i did respond the first time and i didn't respond after that i mean part of it was i was gone camping so by the time i got back it was all done deal anyway because i didn't have internet but still regardless it was probably not appropriate communication and then you have not reached out to me as president i don't have text messages saying

038can we meet our emails what can we meet i want to talk about how it is to be a president i have nothing like that i have neither emails nor text messages and so for you to say that that and put the say that i've been doing this it's it's i just feel it's very insincere and i think regardless of what happens and how people feel individually we have a duty to be professional with each other on the diet um and then to sit here and say that i'm mutter i don't mutter on that dice we have microphones you would hear me if i was muttering um so it that that it's those kind of comments that i'm talking about right that it's you you say that you're being you want to reach out you

039want to and then you you have these little dig right and so it it's i i think it's neither here nor there i think that to me what's important is that we're professional in the diocese and we treat each other professionally and with respect um regardless of anybody's personal feel i didn't like what what you said i i may have disagreed with you i don't remember the conversation honestly but like one of the things that you said before right um and i forgot who said it it's important to you know when you have your relationship to be able to go ahead agree to disagree and you know you're saying that i dig yeah i i like to get to the bottom of things yeah i do i want to address situations and i may come

040off a little strong because i'm i'm open to hey you know what when i turn around you're rolling your i've i've yes i've called you out i do it i do i have like don't realize that i have because i feel that from you you say something and i you may not say it to the microphone but you say something i've seen you and and neither here or nor there but you know listen i don't want to have any conflict but but at the same time when we do have conflict right and channeling i have supported you i have support and not just decisionally the board members here i have supported you know each one i don't think adrian for his campaign but i'm saying your campaigns i have supported you because i have believed

041in you later on adrian i got to know him and then right but i have supported you i have supported you i have supported you because i believe in you things happened that need to be addressed [Music] so can i just say one more i i don't want this to be framed as conflict because i don't think it's the conflict i don't have confidence okay i don't i i think that i i don't think you should be acting inappropriately at our board meeting right but i don't claim that as conflict conflict requires two people on two sides fighting with i'm not fighting with um you know i i would just like to see all of us be respectful of the diet and be focused on the work of the district which is ensuring that students

042are succeeding and be successful can i make a comment up here um i want to make a comment regarding um from from the last um meeting we had to today and and i we did hear from sabrina adrian and shironin you know regarding you know gabby and and the situations that are going on and you know because i'm in the sidelines and i hear it and i see it but we need to understand that we need to know what is the rationale behind and i'm not saying she's always right and i'll tell her to her face the things that she does or the things she even says i'm not saying she's right about it but we need to know there's history with certain board members here i'll say serena and gabriella there's history that has

043nothing to do with the board and i feel that that has a lot to do with her emotions towards her and serena i mean adrian i'm not sure and you know i'm glad they they talked about i'm listening to them but there is history and when you keep that history behind you and you're not saying anything there's always this elephant in the room there's always that cold spot and i think that's what's really going on between sabrina and gabriela and i don't i don't know i i don't know they spoke together about it i don't know that part if you have discussed it together or um you know talked about it and and clear the air i i'm not sure but i know about it and and i really feel that has a lot to

044do with the the elephant in the room we'll just say that and i know like sabrina and i you know we're not best friends i am professional with her and she's professional with me on the dice we don't go out and have coffee we don't and that's okay with me i'm fine on the diet as long as you're professional i'm fine with that that's all i need to say thank you for that yolanda um i want to before we move on to another relationship i want to finish this one here and a couple of questions uh things that i picked up on one thing that i want to call to all of your attention is that apologies are great they're important taking ownership of something and saying you know i was wrong my bad that's

045important however when you follow it up with a that that negate so when the apology comes out it has to be complete you have to either you're going to own it or you're not and when you say but you're throwing it back first which means that the policy isn't is basically invalid so when you apologize to somebody make sure that you really are apologizing for what you said or did or what they perceive them make it sincere and don't negate it after you apologize that's one thing i want to say um sheena lean um and and like i said i'm very blunt yeah um one of the things when i first became a board member that i had to learn how to do was control my facial expressions because my face tells everything and i

046learned it took me a while but i learned but i'll tell you that when i was speaking and i said that you know i was explaining to you guys that i don't like the train for the sacred training i caught a facial expression from you that said to me with and i'm not saying it was your intent but it said to me oh she thinks that i'm just saying that to be saying it and it probably wasn't intentional it probably was um didn't mean anything but is the perception that i got from the facial expression you made when i stated that sometimes our facial expressions do that whether we intend to or not i worked with another board recently where one of the board members said every time that i talk he doesn't pay attention

047he always just looks down at his paper he never looks up he never acknowledges what i'm saying he doesn't give me eye contact and he says if you watch any of the videos you will see i do that after everyone makes a statement he says because that's how i process he says it drives my wife crazy too because when she's talking to me i look down he said i've done that since i was a kid it's nothing personal and all that time there were two members on the board who thought that he was doing it intentionally and so sometimes our facial expressions our body language they say things that other people will interpret and that's not what it is so you're saying that i'm gonna ask you did you mean to like give me that

048expression that when i made that comment um about not training for the sake of training was there an intentional facial expression no okay so maybe what you're interpreting sometimes is not an intentional facial expression maybe that's just something that she's not even aware of and i'm just saying that i'm not saying that it's every single time because i know i make facial expressions that i am aware of on many occasions you also must remember we were masked for two years also yeah [Music] exactly so your eyes are talking i am just putting it out there though to be aware that sometimes we make facial expressions that have no meaning behind it nothing personal or offensive or to take away sometimes we do i admit it sometimes we do but keep that in mind and don't

049think that every expression that any individual in this room makes is directed at another individual in the room so just keep those things in mind so i'm going to i think um sheena lean you have something to say or where is it gabriella sorry go back to you and let you know thank you for for sharing that you know and i i understand that sometimes you know just like there's facial expressions that perhaps may you know may not be because of a feeling that an individual wants to share right sometimes for example what i say the tone how it comes out because i i speak very direct and um may not be the way that that person is receiving it as well and that is why i wanted to speak with with you finally and

050before i you know speak with sabrina is why i wanted to speak with you to have a raw and honest conversation you know all that i have heard um it you know from from usually right now is that i'm i'm you know perhaps you don't remember that i i did call you or perhaps you know and that's okay um but i i i have uh and i even after today like you know regardless um we're in the community we have kids in the community we're gonna see each other at events you know i i when it comes to you know to what we believe in i i i believe in the same thing that you do there's a reason i know why you've been on the board and i've supported you because i truly believe

051that your you know your intent for for being a board member was was was genuine you know bringing um equity into into this district and you know ethnic studies um everything that you wanted to you know almost everything i agreed with you um because i know that your heart and intent you know for for all students not just english language learners okay i know that you have a big heart for our district and to be a board member you know we don't get paid very much you have to have a you have to have a heart because it's not easy it's not easy to learn all of this and to be able to put it into practice and in the apology i truly am sorry and i want to make things thank you for that

052so then my question sheena lean not to put you on the spot but um gabriella has expressed that he does want to work with you have a good really working relationship with you and that she has apologized for um the things that have happened in the past whether they were perceived or true um how do you feel about that are you ready to try to step out on a new foot so i think i mean yes i am i am i am and i i really appreciate your your apology i think um i hope um yes i just i appreciate your apology um i i think to me the bigger issue is not around interpersonal relationships right because i actually think gabby like when we see each other on on the community i think it's

053fine right we both have kids in the district like i mean i i don't see i mean obviously we're not like best friends who've been best friends for 50 years but i mean i don't i don't see us having a conflicted relationship out there in our community or just in a personal relationship this is more about how we act in a board right um and whether we take our turns to speak make our point let somebody else be right and be comfortable with that person being having a different viewpoint as opposed to having to go back and forth and back and forth um or dominating the conversation right and taking 10 minutes when everyone else speaks for 30 seconds for a minute i mean so i i do accept the apology i i i also

054believe that i don't think that we really need to have um i i don't think that there's that that conflict it may be perceived but i don't that really exists um it's more about behavior on the diet and so that goes back to your original comment when we first started and um about the agreeing to disagree and um like you said how you treat each other gabriella do you understand where china leads coming from when she says about in the board meetings um agreeing to disagree so if she has a different opinion from you and um you all have opportunity to comment on it usually so um when it's your turn to comment this say what you feel and why you are for or against let's say you're for something she's against them and say

055while you're for for or something without putting down the things that other people who said they were against it for um that goes with the agreeing to disagree just state your facts of why you support and it's okay to acknowledge that something that someone else said may not work or you know if you think that that's not the best idea you it's okay to do that and you should be able to do that but it's how you do it if you just say um let's say uh sheena lean says that you know the ham sandwiches should be served every day in the cafeteria and you say no the salami sandwiches should be served every day and she's made her case for the ham sandwiches and you've talked and then she's made her case and you

056want to you know say something else you don't say well i don't even know why she wants ham sandwiches she doesn't even eat ham sandwiches then it gets personal so you have to keep it to the business and to the professional you know well i found out that the ham sandwiches are not as nutritional for our students that's the salami sandwiches and that's why i'm advocating for the salon now so there you just stating the fact to the agenda item and you're giving the perspective and you're saying why you're supporting it without putting down a message of anyone else directly without without it becoming first you see where i'm coming from absolutely okay you were going to say something hmm yes um i was just gonna respond to it means um you know that i

057i speak for 30 minutes um i i i also want to also address that whenever we ask questions during you know the the meetings i i've actually written not that i'm trying to you speak you ask questions for 30 minutes and with those questions need to be asked at times like before the meetings um and i mean you also take that much time as well um so i you know i think at times you know yes we may take a little bit more time um and i i think it's important you know if we do get a little off track that the president you know whoever is there can redirect us um and you know making sure i don't know who keeps time um but yeah you know it i think it is important that

058we do talk about like hey how many questions can an individual you know like and and i get it sometimes you need to ask a lot of questions but if they were asked beforehand right or for myself like if i'm speaking for myself if i'm you know 30 minutes into saying something right like you know what roll me back in like why not like if i start going on a tangent and it becomes a whole like president you know reel me back in but what i don't i'm gonna tell you right now i i don't appreciate when when i do probably go on a tangent or have you know i like to have a detailed conversation i like to have an open conversation but when i get realed in and i get real done negativity

059right and i get this like um what was it one time um anyhow when i get real didn't negative and um it's like i'm gonna get upset when i don't finish right and now it's important that we are having this conversation about a governance meeting that we are able to go ahead and have this open dialogue and talk about the elephant in the room i think it is important we should have more of these right so we can conduct business as usual you know on the board room and address the agenda items that need to be addressed but anyhow again um you know i just wanted to address that the 30 minutes that i if i if i have i i don't know i don't time it maybe we should start timing something we can

060have a conversation about but as much as i do um like to speak or you know try to get my com my point across you know again i i've also had you know we've had 30 minutes questions from um instant topics i'm okay with that if we're going to all agree that the president if someone is going to be going on about a state the same topic right um i think i think that we all have to agree to that is there a protocol on that in your governance handbook and i apologize i know that's something i should remember and we can pull it up and look um but yolanda did you say yes yes i do have a comment on that now that you brought that up um gabby regarding um i also feel

061the same way you know when we uh for example um and i'll say sabrina or shironin you know they're asking questions when i and i don't know um how it talks about it here it asks you know are your board members prepared and honestly i don't know and i wrote i think i did write i don't know and the reason i'm saying that is because when we have a board meeting and there's an item and would you say sabrina is asking questions and asking questions and asking questions to me i'm like i mean did she read it before number one you couldn't ask questions and that's that's okay i ask questions too that's not what i'm saying don't never ask questions but did you call our tutor on monday like he has us call him

062and clarify some of the things that you're not sure of or you don't understand so you're not taking all the time during the board reading because we have sometimes we have many items on on our agenda and we're focused it's kind of like you're having a one-on-one conversation either with latasha or with artudo or whoever and and it's like going back and forth so again it it you do us a lot of questions and if you need to know them i get it but do you call on monday prior like we should or you know or dude i'm sure he'll tell me well let me check with natasha first you know on if it's a budget or what have you and then i'm clarifying when i do ask questions and i do ask questions during

063a meeting there's questions that i feel that the community should know and how much money are we spending on something how much that's when i ask questions because i think the community should know about certain topics that they're asking me probably out in the street in the community but when you go back and forth and ask questions back and forth and back and forth and back and forth to me that kind of prolongs our meetings but people are telling me well didn't you know that question before and i'm like yes we got it packed on thursday we all get at the same time oh it kind of looks like you just heard that answer at that meeting you know how could the board member make a honest decision if she or he just is hearing

064it right now but maybe you're not hearing her like because we received our packet on thursday that's just perception is very important sitting on the board because of course people look out looking in that's their question to me but didn't didn't she know that already or or i'll know it's already in the packet because i've read it maybe how much is whatever it causes um so yeah i do feel we spend a lot of time during the board meeting asking questions back and forth i do um superintendent i know you and i had a discussion the process for um for the prior to the board meetings for individuals to ask questions you have a sudden a set day where they are to call in they can call in and talk to you about board agenda

065items um can you reiterate that process sure um one of the things uh that i changed and i think to be helpful and to honor uh people's time the previous superintendent not that it's bad or good or anything but the weekly board packet usually went out friday friday afternoons friday evenings and so one of the things that i've instituted with my team is that they get the weekly board packet on thursday it gives not only the board an extra day but it gives the community an extra day to look at the agenda see the agenda read the agenda and so i think giving more time is always is always uh better um and then yes religiously on monday mornings uh all board members get a text from me saying if you have any questions about

066the weekly board packet and or the board meeting please give me a call thank you i won't put you on the spot and ask how many call you so do all of you adhere to that process do you call and ask your questions in advance sometimes i will be speaking to a mr ortega for an hour hour and a half just asking him questions just to clarify um certain items maybe that i'm not sure of or you know what does this mean or what does that mean so i'm not asking that during the board meeting i do what about the rest of you so i think if it's a process question right if it's a process around like maybe not understanding what's in it like i will i will follow through on talking about it

067but often the questions are asked and i mean you i mean i hope this is what is reflected in reality but i feel like most often it's i'm asking questions we're talking about programmatically like educational choices that we're making right that's usually when i start asking a lot of questions um and a lot of it is really around my feeling though in order for us to do our oversight we need to be asking very clear questions publicly around how certain things are going to be implemented or how things are good certain things dollars are going to be spent so that we have a very clear record of that right that later on when something is implemented we can see how it is i'll just go back to my initial comment i was really speaking to

068the length of time like an individual will speak on one item right i do ask a lot of questions but i generally don't you know take a long time to ask my each question so i may have ten questions for probably more like five but it but i'm not speaking like 10 minutes to each question um so but but again i i like you said yolanda right you said you asked questions you think the public should need to need to know right i ask questions that i think that we should need to know and the public should you know everyone should need to be on the same page on so that when it happens we can go back and say yes this is what they said they were going to do and did it happen

069or did it not happen and keep in mind even if you ask a question in advance um just like what yolanda said as well sometimes you still will answer it and ask it again in public because again but i also would challenge that i will be asking questions on this item so they can be prepared there yes or i am going to pull this item so he knows that it's going to be pulled and i tell the reason why i want to pull it he's okay so i do give him heads up because we do work under the nose price because sometimes they'll ask a question and latasha may not know the answer to that or or mr donkey or may not know or even mr taga so you know i'm not sure if they're

070giving them hits up letting them know what they're going to ask i don't know i don't speak for myself and keep in mind that um when you when you ask a question of the superintendent in advance it is the right thing to let them know hey just letting you know i'm still going to ask this question in public especially if it's something that would cause the assistant super the director whoever's given a presentation on something to make sure that they're prepared to give a full and complete answer because a lot of times people say well i ask these questions in public you know i spend 10 minutes asking these questions because i want the community to know but if the superintendent and staff are not aware that those questions are going to come up they

071may not have all the information in front of them to properly ask answer the question at that time so if you ask the question and they say i'll get back to you it was pointless because still only all of you are going to get the response the community is still not going to get the response because they're going to go back and they're going to get the answer together then he'll probably put it in the weekly update and then you got the response but the community still didn't do it a lot of times i work with some trustees and they're like oh no they just want us to ask in advance so they can you know make up something no that's not the point they're going to give you the right information it's just they

072want to make sure they have the information and they want to make sure they can fully answer the question so that it is on record and that the public does get the full answer to the question at that time so it's always good to give the superintendent a heads up so he can let cabinet know that that question will be coming up in open session as well now granted there are other questions that phil will come up because they may answer a question that you said in advance that you were going to ask but then that makes you think of something else or maybe yolanda says something i think oh well that's a good one what about this i'm gonna ask about that you know i didn't think that in in in you know prior

073to the meeting but when you can it's best to try to get the answers up front and give the superintendent a heads up of which one you plan to ask an open session everyone get that the reason behind that so let me let me just add because i do think i do think we before we went and talked about that although that's that's valuable i i think something that we talked about which is helpful for us to maybe consider adding um onto our board packet at some point maybe today is this is a reminder about the the seat the chair and how how the chair sits in the seat and then the need to to redirect or to reel in um i will say that there have they have having sat in the seat now

074it's about you know been about six months there there are definitely times where i'm needing to to the way and almost i i i don't want to use the term but i will like pick a battle because there's there are sometimes when someone is speaking and yeah it's going on but i say to myself is this is this to the point where where i will cause disruption and and and run the risk of making someone feel disrespected by cutting them off even though it's going beyond the time that is that's probably most appropriate for this particular item but i think that if we have if we operate from a team mindset um to recognize that the the one of the responsibilities of the chair seat is to reel that in when it goes there and

075to remember that if i then you know whether i'm sitting out there or whoever if the person sitting in this seat is reeling in someone who's not sitting in the seat uh that that it's for the purpose of the meeting and for the for the meeting to to kind of progress and not seeing it as a as a form of disrespect or a jab or using this seat as a way to to get at um i will i will say you know specifically um because i know that that's one of the things that you've shared with me gabriel is that that you've that you've felt that way and so that that's really put me in a really difficult time because there have been times where on a more uh where i don't think it's crossed

076over into like the content is necessarily inappropriate but there have been times where where it should probably stop and we should move on but i don't but i have to ask myself do i if i interject i know how this will be how this will be perceived and there have been times where i have um and so it's a balance this is why i say that but but if we can if we can remember that as a point the chair does that and not take that personally i think that that would be a a a helpful kind of mode to operate from and i know you had a henry's but because i said her name i i want to make sure that she has a chance adrian thank you for bringing that up i the

077reason that i felt um singled out was because and i'm sorry to be bringing journaling into this but there's a lot of times where shinolin hijacks the meanings meaning that because you do have a lot of experience and i felt this as president that you try to tell the board what to do like nope we're gonna do this no you could do that and it's like wait hold hold on and and sometimes when we have the the lawyers here you'll you'll tell the lawyer what to do and and so i i've i felt that that you know is a little overpowering and wanting to just there's five of us right and there's not just one person who's directing it it's it's collaborative and i feel at times that when you yeah you can do that

078no you can't do that but wait a minute hold on okay and i've said it but can we please ask a lawyer and i i respect your knowledge and you know what to do but at times i think because we are on the dais that we respect each other and we treat each other as equal not that one is above us and one has been no you know one's new and one knows more than the other and i have felt adrian that it happens quite frequently especially when i was president that when it happens right and it does not get redirected you know in a sense where um you know chilean does not get told like excuse me like you know point of order we need to make sure we ask the lawyer you know

079instead of interjecting and trying to tell the president what to do or trying to tell another board member like nope you can't do that or yes you can't you know and it comes down to at times you know we we we're learning and at first i you know i would look at channeling when i first came to the board like okay are we supposed to do this you know because you are experienced but at the same time i've realized that now that i'm you know i'm trying to i'm getting the hang of things i've been here for for three and a half years now i it's not that it's it you know i i feel like it's it's very over overbearing that i don't have a voice that my boy you know that we all

080don't have an equal voice um china lean let me give you an opportunity to respond and um also the um adrian but one thing i want to go back to as we're talking about developing these relationships and and you know being mindful of the fact that our words have meanings um that are different to other people so one of the words that you said that came out that stuck in my head and i think it did in yours too was that you said she hijacked me so saying it that way just sound and you see how that sounds whereas you could have said i feel like tina lean spends um as much time asking questions as i do or i feel like she spends a lot of time asking questions as well but to say

081hijack seems to be more like more personal so sometimes we have to be mindful of the words that we use and again because perception is everything because when i heard you say that word for me it was like immediately write it down um so if i took it that way as an outsider then and i'm not speaking for you but i can imagine how it might be interpreted by uh as well so just be aware of the words that we use and try to keep it simple and you know no big trigger words finally oh you you said it i mean that's okay i mean i think you said it very well thank you i i am can i respond to that um so i feel that um adrian you know he is the chair

082so he it is his job to run the meeting smoothly and in a timely manner but also to be fair across the board because i have seen it myself how you would you know put someone down and not the other person and just between the meetings so i mean yes i i think yes you should um but across the board to be fair and just like we mentioned about words it's actually not what you say it's how you say it how you come across a little about because i would hear that also through the public to the community well your board was pretty crazy yesterday it was really wild or whatever you know just hearing the conversations go back and forth and um it's how you come across and how it sounds to the outside

083right outside looking in so that's what we need to be careful about how we say things and that goes back to my point when she used that word for me as an outsider i was my hijack sounds kind of like that's very hard to load it yes it is absolutely and adrian you're 110 right your job anybody's job as for president is very hard it is a very thin line to walk to make sure that there's equity for all to have the opportunity to speak without you know going overboard and you do it's a judgment call that you do have to make is this on topic or are we straining down another road and and that's hard and that's something that everyone has to respect that position of the president no matter who's sitting in

084that seat everyone else needs to respect the position of the president but as well you have to make sure that you are being fair to everyone and like i said it's not easy job i was president twice i know it's not easy so um just take their thoughts into consideration as you move forward yeah and i want to there's a before we get too far there's a few things i definitely want to respond respond to but i know that you had so many you have something is it is it directly in the same vein or might it might it sprout out and take us to a different um brand um i don't know that it'll take us to a different branch i mean it possibly is just my opportunity to participate in this conversation as

085well since i've been given some specific feedback and i'd like to honor receiving that feedback as well so if you want to end this topic and then i can jump to the next part that would be fine with me so few so a few things um one again just talking about the like being in being in the seat and and needing to make make that that judgment call um i i will say that one of the one of the most uh kind of uncomfortable and i think moments when it got a little just inappropriate there was a there was a time during public comment when um i turned over to you um gabby and you said that you didn't have a public comment and then after you didn't have a public comment it went over

086to sheila neen who had a public comment and she had things to say but there were things that she learning said while she was making her public comment that i think triggered some things for you to say and so because of that you interjected and not you in it you didn't interject with a comment you interjected and almost like reversed it to but now now you do have a public public comment and in that space there was a lot of back and forth that's where there was a comment such as you know don't roll your eyes at me and and that was happening and when i said from from this seat this is not the appropriate place to have this conversation that that needs to happen in the dice and you said to me when

087i when i challenged to stop you you said excuse me i'm still talking and i said i understand but sheila neen had the floor because it was during her public comment um so i think that we have space maybe this is nothing we talked we will have space to speak during our public comment and i think that that is that is a space when there's there's probably a lot more freedom for us to to say and and take up some space to be able to say some things um but what happened is you i think you felt that i was interrupting you but in but in actuality what i was doing what i was aiming to do was preserve when sheila nain actually had the floor and it was it was during her public comment

088there there oftentimes is space if after i mean i can't imagine anyone that maybe i can imagine if someone is sitting in this seat and we go around through a round of public comment and if chilean were to say actually i do have one more thing can i i didn't before i said no but now i do and if i i can't imagine someone sitting in the seat would say no you had your chance and so now you can't speak but we still need to respect each other's time so that became a moment where it feels like i'm i'm interrupting and i'm interjecting so once again maybe from your perspective you feel like you're being disrespected but that is me trying to maintain the order of meaning because it because shilling did have the floor

089um at that particular time the last thing i'll i'll say about that is also just around like you know the fairness aspect of it there there are a couple things that i have to that i've found that i need to weigh when i'm in the seat there are times when maybe someone interjects or says something and maybe it's not the most appropriate thing to say in that moment but if it's a statement if it's a sentence i have to ask myself again judgment call someone made a quick quick statement and stop do i turn to that person and say don't you know don't point of order don't do that again i mean so i could but if they say something and it stops and we're able to move on that that tends to be one

090thing where i where have found the need to actually interject is not in those times when it's when it's just one quick statement but it's in those times when there's an interjection and it carries on and it's usually not right away it'll be after things are continuing to carry on or intensify that then i feel the need to interject but but across the board there are times when i sense maybe that person shouldn't have said that at that time and even me you know maybe you know should have said that at that time but it it it would likely be more disruptive to try to correct that in this moment and i think you would experience that what i tend to do in those situations is after the fact i will have conversations with with

091individuals to communicate hey when this happened this is where i think that this is where i think that went off or how that could have been handled differently and i'll have that conversation separate and and aside so so i just want to kind of communicate that as when you're wearing when you're kind of weighing the seat there there is a lot of judgment calls and i don't see every everything and anyone who's sitting in the seat there are likely going to be times where in your best attempts to to be fair across the board you're you're going to miss something or or you know and or not get something right let me ask you a question real quick just for my clarification what is the process during the board meeting meeting for um individuals to

092be acknowledged to speak so emotion comes up is second and then um i have i want to say something about it before the vote yeah do you acknowledge people or to raise their hand so that that's something that's interesting i think what and in that particular meeting i think what i also said is as a reminder that the the person sitting in the chair needs to needs to acknowledge uh individuals before the before they speak um there are times when when someone else is speaking and so like there'll be a hand raised but the hand raised is directed toward the presenter or directed toward uh the superintendent but then it does be so then you can't it's then difficult to manage like who is speaking when when hands go up and and people are are

093called on by by other individuals so so it's probably most it would be most effective and efficient if we all remembered to to be recognized by the chair and so if there is a question that someone has you know it's raising a hand and looking to the chair because then whoever's sitting in the seat it's been happening right here we have a good spot right but then because what i even now i'll say i i have on here sabrina's name written down because i because you said that there's something that you that you wanted to say so i have your name written down here and i and i checked them off as as we're going through so if if you end in order and so there might be times where someone raises their their hand

094and then they feel like i wanted to speak next or how come i'm not but what they don't know is two items ago or you know two two paragraphs ago someone else raised their hand and said that that they had something to speak and they're you know they're actually third on the list of getting called on um not not not second so um it would probably be helpful for us to formalize that and just remember that it would be most efficient for us to to direct our recognition to the chair and then and then allow the chair to to then determine who who speaks next so are there times when the superintendent or cabinet may call on someone because they have their hand like he's giving a presentation and i'm looking listening to him and

095i put my hand up to say i have a question and he sees it that he calls on me directly yes but but i want to be careful because it's because it's consistent with i think what our culture has been so i think that we need to i think we need to shift the expectations and so with that again my mind really goes more toward when there's a my mind goes to when there's a presenter because when there's a pers at least when it's people sitting on the dice our eyes are looking in and so that makes more sense but when there's a someone at the uh at the diocese and some and there's a question from a member of the board when someone's looking this way and raises their hand it's not uncommon for

096the person at the at the podium to say yes board member beau um you know are there any questions and and a hand will go up and we'll say yes yes board member bo and it'll kind of go around so just if we can as a reminder as board members look to the chair to be recognized i think that that's one of the things that would that would that would help maybe mitigate some of the confusion in real time everybody is clear on what adrian is saying and what he's asking of you and and thank you so much for bringing that up because that alone can eliminate so much conflict and so much you know misperceptions on things that you know someone says oh like you said oh he didn't call on me or he

097called on me last just what you said clarified so much in that one short statement so thank you thank you thank you for that yeah can i please respect what you just said um just like we have been saying earlier and you know there's things that i think um you know we we all need to work on um i know i i i need to work on some things and i i you know to do better you have to be better and to be able to have that self-reflection right as we're doing right now to process this and be able to to really take accountability right to take accountability for something that we've done whether it was right whether it was wrong to actually take accountability and be sincere about it and you're trying to

098be sincere about it and someone calls you and says well i don't think you're being sincere wait hold on you're not hearing truth right and i i and that was i i just reflected on that um that someone said this you know he said that to me earlier like this is my truth like i'm trying to be sincere i'm trying to be raw here with you and one of the things too that you just said adrian right now was you know that incident where she was speaking and then i interjected and i was listening to you um yes i do remember and it was not what you said i guess it was how you said it the tone of voice like stop you know it was like i was i felt like i was being

099talked to like i was uh being addressed like as a child and that is what upset me it wasn't that you were trying to redirect me because i want to be a team player i really do um but it was more of how it was handled it was like wait a minute you've never done you've never reacted that way with anybody else when right and so i think i came from that angle and that's why i was angry so i mean i want to be careful because we can continue to as we as we keep saying each other's names then we keep going back and forth and then other people are left out of the uh the conversation um uh but even even with that like one of the things that i that i i

100said when uh when i kind of began to to share some of the concerns that i have about a lack of respect one of the things that i shared um that that was is an observation that i have um maybe a conclusion that i've drawn is what what tends to be a lack of self-awareness um that i perceive from from your your side of things and even even then like the way that you just what you just said is um you said it and it was like stop but i didn't say i didn't though i didn't say that i mean because it was definitely a you know a moment or a situation where it was boiling over and and thoroughly entered over entered into the inappropriate so things definitely needed to to stop um but

101but um i i think that there's a there are times where where things are where things are perceived but there isn't an opportunity to reconcile what you may be perceived with then what actually happened um and so that's where i would i think reflection becomes a becomes a tool because it may have felt like that at the time but but i know i i try my i try my darndest when i'm when i'm sitting in the seat um to be tremendously respectful to everyone um eve so even if it feels uh unfair i'm calling on someone or not not someone else i definitely try extremely hard to not be just you know disrespectful in in any way um and i'll i do have some things to kind of respond uh to say about some things

102we said earlier much much earlier but i can i can bring those back in later about that in in particular but um yeah i want to make sure i want to make sure sabrina has an opportunity i'm sorry it's just that you know i understand you're the chair number one you're a human being so you have emotions and i know sometimes it's hard i mean you can't have a sweet tone all the time sometimes it just comes across that way because i mean i sat there before myself and you start to boil because you're maybe upset because what's going on so maybe his intentions of his um voice didn't mean to be mean but you know sometimes you you're a human being and you're sitting there i get it speaking of humanity i was wondering

103before i um add my voices table could we take a three-minute bio break five minute bio break because my humanity's calling right now we're good you have me back to my face today um oh i thought tony oh okay yeah yeah he was there daddy day ever they were there he said no oh yeah but he knows mm-hmm that you can participate in and sometimes like veronica i heard her singing ronnie you can sing right but if she says you can't then yeah so i took her and she did and then she saying you're at the hrc when she's saying the national anthem from the city hall and she's staying somewhere over the rainbow irani but that was in her career she was done okay no not home don't don't put my name in anymore

104i don't think anymore what's she saying okay i don't know about your award dirt come with your award support ah dana okay well let's let's go and hop back in and we'll go uh right back over to you sabrina thank you so i i wanna be mindful of my time and um one of the practices that um i've studied in the course of working with schools um just four tenets of listening from the heart speaking from the heart being spontaneous and being lean you know brief and those are all challenging right because we're sitting here i'm sitting here i'm thinking what is she going to say what is she thinking i'm thinking about response so um it's a challenge it's a challenge to really be open to both listen and speak um and and all

105of that with all that on a sunday afternoon i really appreciate this time that we could come together separately right with just having the space and i think that all of us are committed to a growth mindset to say okay you know we have improvement right as evidenced by our survey result and how can we get better and i really appreciate what most of this conversation has been about identifying policies and processed it that if we kind of tighten those up that can address many things so i appreciate that um and speaking for myself i am also very committed to getting better and growing and as much as you know we're serving an educational space we're also a learner that we toggle between being leaders and being learners and you know we're leading and learning

106at the same time as as board members um i think so yolanda when um you know you talked about hey you know we're uh we're we're collegial we're professional in the dice and i agree and i've actually said that to some of my friends i'm like yeah yeah you know yolanda and i we don't go out for coffee um but i don't feel any sort of animosity or anything here and i'm like well you know we get i think we you know you learn to joke around a little bit you give me the oho when the ac is too high right um and so that's like like that's that's that's right you'll sit on your seat right right and you know i'm like turn the ac up and turn it off but and so that's

107you know i appreciate that and i think that um you know i did invite you to coffee when i first got on board and we had a date um and i think you had to cancel due to a family matter and your life happened i understand i'm like well i'm gonna see yolanda two times a month for the next you know so many months so we'll just figure it out and so i'm i'm totally cool um and i think you know i agree also with something gabriel you said about kind of learning from our veteran board member right because you've come with experience you come with community leadership so the opportunity to start building them in some of those relationships is also an important piece and i think that um you know if if we

108do get to the point where we run into each other at asukanel or something again and we both have some free time maybe we will sit down yeah and you know spend a couple minutes and that would i think that would be great certainly it would be it would do no harm and i would welcome that um uh i'm just going to kind of go around so as to show no bias um arturo i think um you know part of the the way that i work out i'm addressing arturo as part of our governance team but also to explain kind of my how i operate as a as a board member is um you know at times i'll send like really detailed questions like how about this and this and this and this and i

109think we really work well because you'll respond in writing you know in your purple highlight here are the answers and sometimes i say i'm going to ask about it and sometimes i'm just like okay good and i think to be to be transparent and i know we're all committed to transparency some of those questions i do ask again in public and so it may seem like i don't know what the answer is but i think for some of these bigger decisions it's important that the public see some of the deliberation so that's why i ask certain questions at certain time um as a and on this side so i know our governance team is comprised of staff as well as as board members um i think it's also important for the you know whatever packet

110that we're going to get that's publicly accessible um i think that the superintendent and the cabinet should be really well prepared to answer any questions i mean that's it's like that's the official recommendation of whatever it is so and i i i think that we have i mean my opinion i think that the board and the superintendent and cabin have a good working relationship where there is that openness and i do feel that superintendent you and your team are responsive that you won't just tell us something but you'll say hey we'll get back to you and i think that we get the responses um so gabrielle a couple of things i wanted to ask about or i was wondering um and i had some time to reflect since our last governance session um we talked

111about the june 2021 meeting where it was closed session and in our last government session you said well you were if you felt like you were at a park with your with your kids and i was like yeah what is this like i don't and i said like i don't remember what this was and then later i was like oh i think i do remember what it was and so um i i was not aware that it was an issue or a concern and just as you said was feeling and i'm talking about you know leaning on the leadership of veteran board members that you were president at the time i think and it would it would help us it would help the newer board members to say either during the meeting like hey you

112know this might be an issue or here's a concern or have it kind of go through our back panels with the superintendent to say like you know what's what are our protocols and we want to make sure they're all in compliance um and that would be helpful not and again this is not about me or someone else individually but just as a process would be helpful because i had i didn't know it was an issue until this last past governance meeting when i realized oh you know i didn't intend it for it to be um you know for us to be compromised in any way and we weren't compromised but i can understand that i could understand that appearance and so kind of making the communication more timely would help me as an individual and

113i think for any of us you know if we're talking about hey let's try to nip it in the bud right like then let's write it let's try to do that um i think those are the those are my those are some of the things that i wanted to share and i think with with she learning and with adrian i think we've been able to talk a little bit about issues that are important to us you know english learners equity access like those are things that we find a little bit of time to talk about um outside of board meetings and i think um you know we've been able to you know when we look at our voting record right we're not always 50 or 4-1 or 3-2 or 2-3 so i think that we

114have the space to have our own opinions and we share them and we'll say oh i don't i don't agree i don't agree and then we end up voting the way we said we're gonna vote and i mean i'm not necessarily looking for like a five one five or or a four one but i think that level of discourse is is healthy so that was just a little bit of my feedback after trying to listen intently without formulating my risk um i i sabrina i think it it was during the time when i was president when you came in what was it um this is your second year right on this term um as president i i i did want to address that protocol but i have i i would like to let you know

115where why i didn't address it with with you um because i felt because of the fact that you and i had a falling out i was fired from my job because of something that you did to me and my kids suffered and i was very very angry with you for doing that to me and not coming to me and speaking with me about something i was angry i didn't want to come off as now i'm going to be angry talking to you about something that you did i didn't want it to come off as that i was like nitpicking so i didn't know how to address it so i asked the superintendent can we please address this as a whole because i didn't want to individ individually address you because i i had hard feelings

116i was hurt and when all that happened between you and i and we nearly never talked about it behind closed doors [Music] and i came in as president it was very hard again it was very hard because i didn't want to single you out i wanted to be professional and i didn't want you to feel like you know because of what you did to me that i was lashing out at you and it's when it's in your you're right you probably didn't know that you couldn't be at a part and um i don't know um when he put it in the board packet i think i asked him to put um something uh like a protocol kind of like what you do to remind us make sure a closed session that you are you know

117and he did but it was not clearly just directed at you as directed at at all thank you for sharing your feelings at um i have no knowledge of your past or current employment so i don't know who you're employed by now or why you change jobs um i have nothing to do with any employment experience you've had so i'd like to go on record saying that but i didn't take any action against you at all i didn't take i didn't do anything but i'm not this is a surprise to me this is the first time i'm hearing this privately or public and if we want to talk about um feelings of trust and um not knowing kind of how to navigate going forward in this space the first time that you and i met

118ever ever you threatened me with recall and i haven't hadn't even been elected so that kind of threw me for a loop because i thought here's the board at the time the board vice president we're meeting for the first time geez you know i voted for you i got your flyer i'm like oh educator that makes sense right um i only knew you're from your fire we met in person and you said that if i didn't bring my kids to the district that you would probably start a recall movement and i was like [Music] didn't really know where to go where to go with that if we want to talk about long-held feelings and specific actions i never brought that up to you i've tried to maintain a professional relationship with you i've never attacked

119you in any of these meetings i've never talked about you we don't we yes we have we have never sat down for a coffee since those past couple of times and that's that's that cool but i don't agree with your accusation you know sabrina when i met you that first time the thing that i do remember and i don't remember i i don't recall that i i said that what i do recall is that this this this community this community does not stand with charters they will right now it's not and i said please don't bring charters because you've only worked at charters you all your experience have been at charters professionally and we can go in detail but what i did say is if you bring a charter because you're starting a charter uh

120movement prior to being on the on on the board i said you will be recalled somebody's gonna recall you i do remember so that's not accurate you said if i didn't enroll my children if i got elected i didn't enroll my children and board president i think maybe you should step in because i know that there is uh board policy and district policy about not talking about campaigning on any district property so i'm going to look to you to see if this is a discussion that we can have here on district property well one of the i mean one of the things one of the notes that i have that i have not yet shared is there was there has been conversation about uh campaigns and elections and and you know i supported you like

121that that kind of language i do think that support during elections is 1 000 irrelevant for the work that we do here on the dice um whether whether someone endorses or supports or runs with or runs again what any of that stuff i think is entirely irrelevant cam campaigns and campaign seasons are a completely separate process that has nothing to do with the work that we do here and the difficult task that we have then is to to be professional and to set aside um any any of those personal things that may or may not have taken place during the during the campaign and and get to the work as as uh duly elected members of the community that we we are we are not we are not here as candidates we are here as

122as elected um school board members so i so though i i hear that and it definitely sounds like we're venturing into into that i i think um that there may be value and and and so someone else speaking of this there may be value in having if you all had a separate side conversation about about some of those pieces but yeah with with uh election related stuff i'm i'm not entirely sure how much it's relevant for our work i agree with you on this topic only because like you indicated this isn't where sabrina is sitting across from gabby saying hey gabby you know you're gonna be up for re-election i'm gonna endorse you we're not giving out endorsements from the dead we're not doing that what this is this is a conversation to clear up

123any um conflict between the two of you um it it happened during a campaign season but we're not talking about you actually campaigning for one another right now that's something that happened in the you know if the campaign is over it's done so we're not talking about an upcoming election or campaign we're not talking about something that's going on right now we're just trying to resolve an issue that has carried over into this governance team so um like adrian said as long as we're not giving out endorsements right now you're okay to continue the conversation and i think this is like yolanda said has been an elephant in the room for quite some time so it should get addressed that conversation if you felt like that from then from then sabrina there was months and

124months that we had a chance to to be able to speak on that and to you know to address that you know if you held that within you you're just barely telling me right now i i think it just escalated to you know to to other things we we were meeting every week we were meeting every weekend for other things to do and you were coming to my house you know that would have been an appropriate time to hey you know what what you said like can we talk about this you know i i i would have been open for it but i think harboring something that i said um right and and then turning against me you know three in three days before um a certain date when i was calling and calling and

125calling you and you know texting like hey call me back hey and i didn't get a response from you and then everything the way that it happened right with my job you know you know my former employer you know that it was i i know who you're who you formerly work for i have no idea who you work for now i don't know about your transition between employers i don't know anything about that we we don't talk so i and i don't i don't ask people about where's gabby working now they'll speak i know but i'm also trying to have a conversation i i get it but it's it's clearly in record that your name's on there so i mean you can sit here and tell us right now that you had nothing to do

126with but put on record on paper with human resources and all that that i had to go through your your name's on there and the fact that you didn't call me back the fact when i was able you know i was like calling and texting and i'm like hey what's going on but i'm confused and then it all came down on me and i and i wanted to have a conversation like what happened what what happened i i don't know and yes i think you know yolanda's right i those feelings i was very hurt to see your name on those papers you know those things that i just and you not returning my my phone call what am i supposed to believe what again i i don't know what you're talking about i've never been

127involved in anything to do with your employment status and as someone who has run for you know been a candidate election season's a really busy time i thought we were but as a candidate you know if you're hustling you're out there if i didn't return your call i apologize we were supposed to meet that weekend and you left me hanging so i mean you know you didn't return my call that week or the weekend after that or the weekend after that i do apologize excuse me i do apologize for leaving you hanging and not knowing what was going on i do apologize because i do i i also believe that's important to let people know you know is are we on are we off i so i acknowledge that and i do i do apolog

128i want to start because i do believe yolanda has something to say you know i'm sorry but i'm still feeling this elephant in the room i'm feeling he said she said the papers and the documents just say what you need to say gabriella um i'm a reminder if she doesn't remember i mean that's what that's why we're here today i will caution on um since this involves a former employer i will caution um the direct use of names there um just because how would they ever clear the air that's i think whenever i think to go into detail the two of you really need to sit down and have a talk um outside of this form to say things bluntly and openly and be able to use names and what was said without disclosing something

129from her personal life as far as her employment i don't think that that's something that that should happen um here right here right now um yeah i don't want to say too much either but yeah i know i just think they they really do they don't together i think they talk about it i don't have to be there yeah i think it needs to be said that's all yeah i think the two of you would benefit from a private conversation to go into details about what you're saying happen and what you're saying you have no knowledge of i think that that's a conversation that you if you should really really take the time to and put a time limit on it say hey for 30 minutes or for one hour we're going to talk and

130nest it at the end of that time i'm done with this topic it's over you know and can both walk away but i think that that's something that needs to happen i i'm open for it because what's you know what was really um one of the things that i heard you say today sabrina was hey yolanda i got on the board and i wanted to have coffee with you and and i'm and i'm thinking and as i'm hearing you say that and i'm thinking i you haven't tried to have coffee with me you haven't i want to have coffee with you i would like to have it you know an intelligent um emotionally intelligent and logical conversation with you to be able to put this behind it i don't want to harness these feelings that

131i i have towards you which i do i did not as intense as i did before but i would would like to have a conversation with you and just clear the air regardless of what was done what would you know what like let's talk about if i did something like okay you know you said that i'd i i i don't recall but you know what this is what i do recall that we can go back and you know and truly just hash it out would like to have that that time with sabrina would you be open to having a one-on-one conversation with gabriella i think we're two adult women i think we can work it out i'm not saying that we're gonna whip out our calendars right now but i am open to that that

132that would be great thank you and i do again suggest put a time limit on it um say if you guys do get ready to meet i would say you know if you're gonna meet from four to five to the time limit on it that way things don't go off and just keep going on and going in circles put a time limit on it say what you have to say say what you have to say get it out there and be done i would also like to put it you know like a time frame i don't want to let this go on too too long so if if it would be okay if um each of us can send about three dates to each other and we don't have to look at our calendars now

133and go ahead and just take it from there would you be open for that does that sound good that's fine okay thank you thank you both for being willing to do that um tina lean i think you had your hand up yeah i don't want to derail where we're going and so i i'm thinking that we may be just about done with this this exact portion i there are things that i'm wanting that i wrote down to respond to things that were said much earlier in the meeting so um if if there are is are you wanting to respond to things that have already been said are you are there new things that you're wanting to to discuss now it makes more sense if you do your okay okay so a couple couple of things

134um and i i already kind of started on this when i talked about the election piece um and and again what someone's support or not again like i said during election has absolutely nothing it's entirely irrelevant um if i'll go so far as to say this it would be it would be entirely inappropriate i believe it'd be entirely inappropriate if i found myself unwilling to work on behalf of the district with another member of this of this school board because of a situ personal situation or or or a personal problem or or something happened during the election i think that that would be inappropriate and even i'd go so far to say a disservice to our community and so i think that the onus is on each of us as mature adults to figure out

135how do we behave uh professionally um even with like intention with and and simultaneously where there may be some unresolved things that are that are there even if that is the case uh that there being unresolved things does not give us uh license to to to to be disrespectful to each other um at the dice um in addition to that i do want to i uh one thing that i want to say just kind of going back to a couple things that you said gabby is um again today you you you communicated a a desire to want to try to reach out or to want to hear to want to know um you know receive feedback when when you know if if something's going off the you know the rails or whatnot and for a

136long time i think you would agree but i think this is pretty easy to agree on that that was how we navigated our our conversations that there were oftentimes conversations that we would have privately you know off to the side about different things that happen and again on the other side of of um me sitting in this seat um you did communicate to me that you closed off the channel of communication and so it was interesting to me because at the last meeting you said um that you had you had been asking and reaching out to other people and found yourself ignored um and then even today you said i'm not the kind of person that wouldn't that that wouldn't talk or that would shut off communication but that's that's not accurate because that's that

137is literally what um you know what what you said to me is is that um you no longer you're no longer interested in having the conversations or or discussing uh some of those those pieces with me and so that that made it extremely difficult again for me sitting in this seat and needing to navigate some of this and trying to navigate some of these pieces when this isn't my best my my preferred place to have some of these conversations is not here but this was but this is the space that i that i found i find that it becomes the the next most appropriate place to be able to have some of these these conversations because you've cut off uh those channels of communication so my hope would be that um some of those channels

138of communication could be reopened um and that we would have the opportunity to have uh some of the some of these conversations when so that we can navigate things when it affects especially especially when it's things that affect the ability of of the uh the the team to work cohesively but again i think that there's room for us to navigate those things um separately independently um where we don't need to necessarily have hash it out here but again when it's the only alternative that that's where we find ourselves actually when i said that to you earlier i wanted to open that line of communication to have coffee with you as well um revisit that and does that sound good i'd be happy to i just say something one of the things you know to be

139to be able to be uh to show vulnerability right some people see it as as weakness um a lot of the times right when i was in the classroom um the student who is the most um the one that has right that would give attitude over you know would not say things correctly or would come off as like okay it's the intent of that you know what that child was trying to to share with me right as being in the classroom um may not have come off like okay the child didn't say it's sweet but there was a need there's always a need behind a behavior right and so i think that that's the way that i want to approach this to the fact that um we see a need right there's conflict going on

140on our diet and if if i come off and i had i have shared hey i feel like the need i haven't been hurt i haven't been respected i'm coming from a place of frustration right and so just like being in the classroom you see that child who's frustrated overreacting right how are you going to address that child or your own children right how are you going to address that by conversation and i just want to thank you guys all for being open and honest um and whether we agree or disagree or we remember don't remember being able to have a conversation about what we're having i mean that's it and having self-reflection like you know i can just speak for myself like i i'm not perfect but when we have you know and i

141know you guys aren't perfect either we're human and but i can tell you that when we have a really good meeting when we're all in the same wavelength and we are moving things and we are making this district making sure this district is moving in the right direction and when we are like hey i you know what you know during the like hey baby i i support what you just said yes i you know i like because yes it's in line with how we can move this district forward during this just reconfiguration or you know i really like what you asked like i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna say that or whatnot i walk away with wow today we were actually we had unity and purpose that's big right and and we could sit here

142and look i'm going to be honest with you at first i felt attacked at during the board meetings and so i became defensive because i went back and saw the board meetings right because i really wanted to reflect and i really wanted to come to these meetings like i want to hold myself accountable if i'm going to sit here and point fingers and try to address things i need to look at myself as well when we're in the classroom this prop right here child's 15 years old quinceanera during this whole week and i am going to share a little bit this is my god daughter during this whole last two weeks we've been so actually last six months but in the last two weeks we've been preparing preparing preparing preparing preparing for so much stress

143right for just five hours so many conflicts with her with her with her five girls that were on on you know on the quinceanera because of personalities we had to put out fires as adults but things aren't going to happen as long as you know and this is what i really want to say to you guys things are going to happen and i just want to be able to go ahead you know from my you know for me like i want to be able to go ahead we have so much going on within our school district you know um the one high school safety this you know being able to strengthen the ib program you know i think that's great you know being able to you know strengthen our ell i see you guys talking

144to each other about your strengths not once have you guys ever mentioned even during the boardways you guys support each other not once you guys support my strengths but that's okay because i know my strengths i know my worst i know what i bring to the table well hopefully at the end of today once the air is cleared on a lot of things we've covered a whole lot of ground already um and you know you've reached out now and they've responded that hopefully you'll have your one-on-one with sabrina and then you're one-on-one with adrian and then that'll clear the air even more so that then everyone can be on that wave that you talked about all the time and there will still be conflicts that will arise but hopefully you will know then to address

145them quickly and effectively you know and things won't just sit there and build up these balls in between yourself and other members and other members and other members so adrian i think you had the floor no well i said what i said but i do i know yolanda has something to add yes i just want to add that i myself on this board has have never felt disrespected or spoken over and i know we've had some hard times with the pandemic with the reorganization of schools with the high schools with the mascots we don't always disagree but i thought we were a very good team i i i i don't like to say this but i think it's it's a personal issue between i'm not sure my fellow board members and maybe gabriella and i

146think of data again like i mentioned before you know it's how she says things and i think maybe sometimes it does sound harsh and and maybe you know we didn't i'll look at ourselves and see how we come across because i have never felt disrespected on this board you know i i have not and i will honestly say that yolanda i have i'm gonna i'm gonna tell on you right now listen yolanda sits on the lack of the board are you still on the board uh not as of the 30th okay she was on the last board with me and this woman here she knew how to get people under control when our memes were on zoom and people would talk over each other she would put us on everybody back in check on the

147camera i'm like yeah she would keep making sure everybody's staying i just want to be sure that people know that you know we're not dysfunctional i i really strongly i know there's personal situations but this board is not dysfunctional we have come a long way and we have made hard decisions and great decisions and i know we do it from our passion from our heart and we all want the same thing it's for our students theirs is unified and our staff so i don't want to make it sound like we're all out of control when everyone's fighting that's really not it it's personal and i really hope that it's fixed you know that we fixed it all i agree with you 110 this board is not dysfunctional no not by a long shot trust me

148you are not a dysfunctional board and um and you're right it's more of just not dealing with personal conflict that has created some tension and how um some trustees are interacting with one another and if if that can get resolved um i think that you'll see that the time in the meetings decrease then you'll see um just the tones change and everything else as well definitely well thank you for those thomas you're right on target and actually one one thing i'll add i'll challenge that a little bit actually is um i do i do think we should be careful to not see dysfunction as a as a yes or no checkbox kind of a thing but instead if we see if we see it as a on a spectrum um i think that at times

149there are things that have that that happen whether it's and a lot of times it's probably personal things that that make its way into onto the dice that does not make us as functional and as effective and as strong as we can be and so um we we are because we are a board of five and we are people we are individuals we will never hit perfection and and but but i would still i would i will always as long as i'm on this t i will i will always uh look to push us to be to to iteratively grow and be better and to be and to be stronger and so um so i just wanna i just wanna uh caution us against thinking we're not dysfunctional because that that uh or either we

150are or we're not because that might make us think we have a box that's checked off and so there isn't there isn't work to do i think that i think that there's a lot of room i think that we've looking back on this these past handful of months there's a lot that so many difficult things that we address over the course of these past six months so those are indicators that we are not entirely dysfunctional you know on this side of the spectrum but but i i do think that we there is room for us to be much more efficient and much more respectful uh and effective and functional um if if we address some of these things and maybe some others and there's always room for improvement and whatever we do yeah i agree

151but i think you bring up a good point of kind of what we've been talking about today of perception because when you when i think of dysfunctional board i start going through all the school boards that i've worked with over the past few years and which ones were accomplishing things and you know making things happen whether people got along or not and so for me when i compare dysfunction versus functional that's what comes to my mind but you think of it in a different way you may think of it in a different way and so on and so forth and like you said then everybody has this different thing so i'm glad you clarified what you mean when you say hey let's not you know just check boxes so thank you for that claire uh

152finally you've been waiting for your top no i think i think we wrap that up no no i'm not gonna i'm not gonna reopen anything i think we've i think we've um are you sure because this is the time and the place to make sure we leave here today everything that you wanted to say has since that yeah no i mean there are other things that i would like us to discuss absolutely but only i mean are we doing so i did want us to talk a little bit about um and this goes to the maybe some of the comments around like perception right um thinking about what we spend our time on at the board meetings right so i've heard a lot of reference about long meetings we actually generally don't have long meeting

153um and when we do have long meetings along topics it's usually around process right not around outcomes and so i was hoping that we could be reflective and maybe think about how do we design our board agendas right so that we're talking more about student outcomes getting updates on implementation of programs um and i know we've talked very some very difficult issues this year with school closures but i think even in the spaces that we do have that's we're not we're not talking about that we're talking process right like i just think about how long it took us to figure out who we're going to appoint to what committees right those kinds of things or how artudo is going to implement or have a community meeting right having long conversations on that process and not

154really about like how are students doing right how is the a b program ib program being implemented so i'll stop there because that's i didn't want us to talk about that that's that's a good point because you know csba model is that majority of your agenda should be on student success and achievement that's what your agenda should be focused on um there should be very little other things on the agenda everything should come back to the student so i'm going to let your superintendent get involved here on this conversation i was just going to point out if it helps us in our conversation uh question number 30 that was the next um that was the next question if you will or area or topic that had the most votes uh from the board of education

155and i i don't know if that relates a little bit to what you're speaking about i'm gonna read absolutely uh there is a good relationship between how long the board spends on an agenda item and the importance of that item and i'll i'll say this is i i was definitely one of the people who when when marking this marked it on the lower side you know whatever whatever the lower side was um because i do think that there are there are times when i'll reflect back and i think we spent so much time on that particular item and what and i understand oftentimes those are things that are important and i get them that they are that they're important so they have to take place but it's that's it's not though it's not the way

156it's not about students it is about process it is about some of these other pieces and so i i am i am at times disappointed when i'm leaving a meeting and realize that we spent a whole lot of time talking about process stuff instead of outcomes and students um so this probably process wise comes back to i'd say what we're talking about with the chair and recognizing the um or the chair recognizing individuals that speak and then also not taking that personally so if whoever's sitting in the seat is asked to be mindful of that and when we're when we're veering off into some of those you know we're spending all this time talking about some of the processed pieces i think it's helpful for the the person in the seat to be able to

157communicate that um with the with the anticipation i think the expectation that it's it's received in a way that it's what's best for the board it's what's best for the board meeting it's what's best for the district as opposed to feeling like it is intended to invalidate the thought for the the questions that that you have and so um i i think we maybe will be able to address some of that with uh presidential redirection in real time i did all that hundred percent i felt the same way and i and i and children and i i think we were both the ones that did mark number 30 um when we left off the last time and i already said earlier regarding you know taking time on one item i already discussed that so it's

158what i said earlier that's why it pertained to number 30. how do the rest of you feel about that gabriella you know lean sabrina um i i think that sometimes we do spend a lot of time and um there's there's been times and and i hear for example shinolin's passion when it comes to ell but i think that for example some of the questions in which i i'm writing him down because i'm like i'm learning from her as she's asking these questions because these are important questions to ask about you know the eel program that we provide here um but at times like oh my gosh okay was that a pro like was that protocol or you know and so um at times not just her but even like myself or yolanda or sabrina or

159agent um we i i've caught myself you know talking about the process instead of like the outcome and so um i really appreciate when when we uh when one of us will ask for for data um right uh on our students um on how that is reflected because i appreciate you know when we ask those ques when we ask for that because then we're you on on thursdays when we're able to go ahead and receive that we're able to see things you know uh to implement um the programs that we are going to be speaking about for example the for the reconfiguration um process right the programs that we want to strengthen so i do see that at times we do kind of do this and start talking more about like how to tell him

160how to do his job yeah don't get into the week and um i and yeah i think it's good that we're catching ourselves um and that we maybe you know are our focus and don't have hurt feelings when the president cuts you off right okay and one one thing just to add real quick just because i want to make i i almost i almost don't want to but but but i i will i'm grateful gabby that you and i will have some space to have have some some conversation but one thing just for context um so that because it's what comes to mind this specific example comes to mind there are times uh there there have been many times in my opinion where we're talking about sometimes like really difficult things when there are difficult

161things and and it appears though like when we have these board meetings these board meetings what they're really intended to be are meetings between the board the board is having a meeting and we happen to be having this meeting in public in front of other and that's separate and different from us having a board meeting with the public and that's why when we've had some of these challenging things there are people who try to interrupt or raise their hand or speak and i hate it too and we have to tell them sorry that's not the space for this and so we are having a meeting but but legally others are able to witness it they can watch it on online there are often times as i believe or have counted where it seems like when

162we're having the meeting sometimes you kind of veer off and start to have a conversation with the public or with and and you're and it's almost like a moral appeal that's taking place and that you're in you're speaking to the to the public or to the audience or to the people at home and and it's a it's a meeting instead of instead of it being a meeting that they're watching it it feels like we the board are watching a meeting that you're having with with the public and so i i that's that's one of the things that i think you know where i'm wanting to be careful because oftentimes that happens when you are tremendously impassioned and it's not it would not be my intention to cut you off while you're being tremendously impassioned but

163that would be an example of a time of multiple examples or times where i think there's things that you're saying and it's probably not the most appropriate space to be saying the things that you say but but as i'm weighing that i'm saying there's zero weight there's no way for me to interject and to stop this without it being perceived as as disrespectful in any way so i reason why i want to say that is um because as part of this as part of the presidential redirection that we're talking about there's also going to need to be space for us to say to to each other when that happens hey we're have we're not having a meeting with the public we're having a meeting in public and so let's so let's let's direct our comments

164and our questions to to each other here on the dice as opposed to making um long-winded moral appeals to the community i hear you and i i think you know again uh being redirected um we'll have a conversation but i think in general i've been being redirected that um we shouldn't get our feelings forward you know what i again it's it's not what is said i guess and like yolanda said sometimes and it's not just me it's it's everyone human right we say things um that may come across harsh right but talk about it with that person right and so you know working on that you know just being mindful of you know what this person is going on and on and on you know for example uh board member rodriguez pena did i please

165ask that you come back instead of hey you need to you know i'm the president you need to redirect your you know the difference of tone and that i think it you know and i think we've definitely clarified that today absolutely and um adrian one thing that if you think of any specific meeting that you know of where you can say see look at let's look at this meeting um this part here where you're talking and um look how long you went on or you see we kind of went off topic for any board member um you know that you may have to cut off or you know bring them back then that's a good learning tool because that's the one good thing that's come out of this whole um profit thing for me is

166being able to watch people's board meetings online um and so if you see if you know of a specific meeting or something call into their attention hey watch this meeting and go to the one one one hour 22 minutes and and this is what i'm i'm talking about because it helps us learning like i said i'm a visual so i know for me that would be beneficial finally our sabrina either one uh i think sabrina your turn your mic is on we're educators by virtue of being in this room and and holding these seats and um you know sometimes uh we don't always take advantage of the tools that really good educators use in the classroom so for example when we're talking about assessment this is our annual board self-evaluation right we only do it

167once a year but in the classroom we don't assess our students once a year one time and say hey you got a good grade or you didn't good teachers are always constantly assessing right you have your exit ticket or you have your benchmark assessment right and at the end of the year you kind of see like oh well if all the benchmarks were positive then we kind of think that's a really good chance at the end of the assessment would also be positive or we'd also show the same areas of growth right so there's kind of like no surprises so i just kind of had a little of an aha moment um maybe arturo maybe you could help us figure out something like um i know when we did the covid check-ins you had a

168really quick google form that you would text us maybe there's some sort of benchmark like assessment that we do after you know once a month or once a quarter with our board meetings where we could say you know five questions uh you know have we been have has the board been spending a good use you know managing its time effectively have board members been uh treating each other with mutual respect you know kind of those key areas that we've been talking about so that gives us some immediate feedback and it's fast you know google form could be fast and then we could kind of keep that record so that we could all see it so that when we get to this point next year we have the opportunity to correct the course during the year

169and can take this kind of more dedicated time to go kind of even farther and do more growth so i just had that idea about you know how do we leverage some of our technology and some of the tools and best practices from education with what we're doing here one of the districts that i work with actually does that and what they did um they started doing it after their first poor self-evaluation and they looked at their reds and their yellows and each member picked the question from the board self-evaluation to put just like you said not the whole thing just what do we need to what are we going to focus on let's not try to focus on everything what's most important for us to focus on and so each board member submitted one

170of the questions and then that's what they did every quarter they check in and they just do and it's anonymous again and they just do a little survey they have to look at to say okay oh look at that you know we have three people saying we're doing a good job now where before it was only one person so it's a good idea and it's easy to do you can either make a questions each person make up a question or take something from the board self-evaluation but that's very suggestion that was longer than a minute serena but anyways worship i just wanted to say that um i understand what adrian was saying about gabby regarding because i think it'd be good we're all facing each other because i noticed she'll face that way and and

171i am that's my left ear so i i read lips sometimes and she's talking that way and she's talking i don't know i'm not sure where she's talking but she's talking and it's hard for me to understand her but she's going on and on she'll start really great and then she loses herself and she starts going off and people i heard people say what are she talking about and um also what children mention regarding questions one good thing about arthur what he does when we have questions for him he'll write him down well we get our thursday packet and on that packet whatever board member asks whatever the question is on data or what have you he'll write the question not necessarily who asked them and the answer to it so we all get the

172same thing so that would be great when she has questions you know i mean that we are we're all seeing the same thing at the same time because even when she's talking it's great information it really is i i also learned by her i was looking for her um since day one that i've been on board but you know just writing it all down right away i'm trying to remember what she's telling me but when he writes it down then i'm reading it and i'll even maybe get a clarification from him you know if i'm not understanding it but i think it's good when he does it he gives us the packet what whatever any board member asked him yeah yeah um i really like the way that we're sitting right now i like i'm

173able to see like we're able to see each other right we are having a meeting um [Music] the reason i'll say that i i do face this way right is because sometimes i don't want i'm going to be on i i don't want to see reactions i don't want to get you know they don't want to get triggered and so it may seem like a conversation but in reality it's because i kind of like and process thing but i don't want to see right and it's it's not that and i don't feel engaged i feel like i feel like we are having me we right now the board cabinet ms price this is our art right for us to just for us to have opinions i have a voice be able to go ahead and

174right um i don't know what do you guys think is your normal boardroom yeah yes and how are your tables usually we are based in each other yes yes this table still here no no we have audiences here what about yours building oh okay okay well it used to be more like a u and then after covey now it's more like a square it's more like a line remember the line across no no like a brush but now it's very it's very rectangular before it used to be it felt more like we were like on a curve yeah where do those desks go are they the same ones they're not the same ones are they either yes so where are those other ones um the old dice uh was just not good anymore it was

175falling apart um because of covet again bringing it in and out and so in your next weekly board packet we finally have a rendering of a proposition for a boardroom and setup and that one is more of a art if you will um it's on a platform and we all sit at the arc so i'm going to put it in your weekly board package just for some some feedback and you see a picture it's a picture yes yeah yeah it's a it's a drawing it's a drawing of what it might look like does that include chairs yes yes it would it yeah chairs a platform a bunch of stuff in the room well and and i would say i understand i can understand how this though this setup where it's a closed circle how it

176makes it that much more of a that we can recognize it as a meeting for just us i can see because it's a meeting that's in public and on display um this could be this is probably not ideal to close off the the circle entirely i think it's still important that there's a side that's open but i think we need to continue to ask ourselves how can we operate and how can we operate as though it's this and even though that's open i think that you made the point because when you're doing your business so at the beginning of most meetings you know that's when you do your response and everything your students and everything and all of that your support your focus on this part then because these people are here for their recognition

177so that's where your focus is but then once you start up in the items like you said the focus should be one another in the dialogue between all of you with the superintendent of me so when you start going down you're talking about all of those and that's when like you said that focus on one another but at the beginning you do want to be able to see the people here that you're recognizing it'd be kind of rude to have cares to the back of the people who you're saying hey so we can recognize you and i'll just one other nuance in gray area as well with that even during but even during board public comment i think that's still there's there's probably space where we may direct questions or comments that go to the

178uh cabinet and there may even be times where i you know i've heard sharing out announcements that there's an event that's that that's happening at the district and so making a broad invitation i even see that as an appropriate space to be able to do that but yeah once we cross over into and when we get into general functions and and there and beyond i think it's just tremendously important that we are having a meeting with each other and as in the most meaning the most respectful of ways by saying this we're really ignoring the the crowd that it's it's we're not it's not intended for us to have a meeting with them we are having a meeting and and they have a right to watch and your comments will show the public that you're

179taking into consideration their needs and their concerns by the interaction that you have with each other on those agenda items so they'll know that you're still working for them and doing the work that they you know elected you to do because they'll hear it in the comments can we go if we can cuz i know gabby you had your hand raised to add something to this and then i want to make sure that we because it's 333 i want to make sure we have space because sheila had some other things that she wanted to bring up as well i think you guys answered it okay cool thank you so i just wanted it's still on number 30. um and so i think adrian i think rightly you talked about um that piece in terms of

180our interactions right but i also think that there's another piece around just the intentionality of what gets put on our agenda right and so figuring out like um what's being put on when like i mean a good example could be i know we've talked a little bit about this but not specifically right like there's a lot of work on like the looking at dnf right in high schools right um when when does that come to the board and in what way i mean does it make sense for it to come after every trimester when you have updates you know um when does the data around the alcap come right when we talk about like implementation of the of our priorities with with our priorities right when do we talk about that as opposed to like

181one lump sum meeting in april when it's very very high level and not really talking about like how are these programs being implemented and how effective they are so i that i think is is more i don't know how that happens right whether that's a group activity whether that's a president and our photo activity but really thinking about like how do how do we bring that that student piece into the pull into the board meeting so that's what we are really focusing on i don't have an answer i'm just maybe with that you know arturo you're self-proclaimed systems educator um you've heard this is not the first time you've heard this feedback about how do we put the outcomes and how do we calendar these things so along with other regular calendar items maybe you

182can share in the board packet um kind of a sample calendar for curriculum and instruction type of item so we know what would be coming in in each order and then if we have feedback then we can send that to you and then we can try it out this next year yeah and i think that i think it's a great idea um there even a another couple ideas that maybe come to mind that i i can even uh talk when we when we can talk about i'll say that one of the things that has been difficult is when we have tended to because of what we've been facing we've added so many additional meetings like over the course this past year there have been so many where where this is supposed to be meeting twice

183a month where some instances we're meeting every single week of the of every single month and it's in and it's and it's nonstop uh then some of the other conversations that arthur and i have as well when we're looking at what to put on is here's the conversation that we need to have due to timeline constraints and we need to have this conversation and then there will there will be other things that you know legally this has to be presented and shared at the board but not today but it has to be shared by the end of may and so we'll at some times weighing what's on the agenda we'll push some things back and then we get to the point where now there's no more waiting on this particular item this item has to

184come in uh now and so now there's no you know there's no other choice but to but to jam pack the meeting so it is a game of tetris uh to some extent but yeah i do think that there is some intentional and systematic work that we can do to try to um prioritize those the pieces that that you're that you're talking about feeling i i also did i did want to give you some feedback because i do think um i do think sometimes the presentations that you're bringing to us sort of missed the mark and miss and hit miss the sweet spot between over generalizing and giving too much information and i think about um when we try to have a conversation about the bond prioritizing the bond right and the first time you

185brought to us you gave us that huge spreadsheet that wasn't really usable right and so we asked you to go back you did a good job coming back and it was much more it was we were able to have a conversation and make decisions right um but i think often i i think of that example i also think about the example when we're going to talk about this point about the projects or not the programs that we put in in schools right so we had decided we're going to have a study session in april about that right and so i guess in my mind i thought you as staff were going to come and we're going to have this very long discussion about what you know what are those options what what tradeoffs what do

186they look like and instead we kind of just got the same presentation we had gotten a couple weeks before that and so i walked away i and i don't think i ever gave this feedback i apologize i think for whatever reason but i walked away feeling like like that was a wasted meeting right like we could we didn't have that meaning because we already got that information and so really being intentional about that and that's you know that's a hard thing get to nail right um but i do think it's part of being a really effective superintendent is understanding what kind of information you need to bring to a board so they understand what's happening and can make decisions and and also her going back to the programs when you bring the programs to us

187because um you know there's so many programs that we have in different school sites from elementary to middle school high school i would like to see um when we are going to be selecting programs or or looking over them you know what is the effect of the programs you know our do we have how many students who have enrolled in these programs uh you know what students are interested in programs i mean are we spending our our money wisely on these programs are they being effective and this is where you get the the outcome right you know on english language learners or on the dnf program you know i i like to see the outcome of um the effects of these programs i think that would be really helpful for myself as the board member

188to decide you know is is that program valid to have at that school side or is our program um are we spending our money wisely that's the most important right there budget wise you know to you guys are making great points uh one of the things that yolanda you just shared right the assessment of the programs that we have in place right what is what is the what is our our our goal for that program was the end result are we achieving that goal i don't think that um [Music] we have in every program here in our district that um what is that that protocol that that scale right for us to be able to see that and i know that what i'm hearing from the board like right now is that we would like

189to go ahead and see that right what is you know is it is this program we're spending you know this much we're assessing it and is there something that you know can be improved something and so i feel that at times you know when it comes to to to that we are on the same you know wavelength and because it affects our students it affects our children here in our district and at times we have spent on certain programs right and it's just and and i'm giving you feedback this is not your but you know teachers will say this program's not working and they're the ones working with program every day with the students and i will say can you please talk to your friend you know principal who who is in charge of that

190program they talk to the superintendent is that program being assessed and just like we are assessing ourselves right one of the things that you brought up to sabrina i think is a great idea being able to assess ourselves right periodically not like every week but you know maybe every three months right what just more often right once a year is is not enough right to be able to to to to bring um awareness the awareness part right because maybe you know to cabinet right or maybe to us something's going okay but no like are we really going okay is this really working right is this program working or is that working um being able to reflect and to have the documentation that you know the data on you know is it really working is there

191some neat you know need for improvement um i think is is this key just in everything especially in the direction we're you know we're moving into um i do remember the time where they did show that same presentation and i i maybe they have something new and it was like you know then to this spreadsheet okay what are we looking at i know if i'm asking those questions i know the community's asking the same questions and i know it's very very detailed and i know you guys are working very very hard because it's a lot i mean we are just not driving you know a little porsche here or a little red corvette right we're we're like we have like tons and tons and tons of like you know like a big truck with bunch

192of cars everywhere like that's us right now we we're you guys are moving so many pieces and you know and yeah things are gonna happen but at the same time just being able to go ahead and um us be aware of what is working what is not we're spending money on this pro you know she had mentioned we're spending money on this program well you know maybe this program is not working maybe this program is working and um again it comes down to them in general including with our board it comes down to evaluation and self-reflection so gabby i'm going to use this as a teaching moment for you because i started to stop you but i wanted to let you go this is where your passion comes in that they've talked about and then

193you just keep going and going to get excited so you have to to say say what you're gonna say you said it and then we were all like okay and then you kept going and going you were just saying the same thing you were repeating the same thing and please time in if you think you know what i have told her and show me i told her debbie write everything down when you want to say so you know you're focusing on this and she said she would and she doesn't so she just that's what she wants to say and goes it's going but i have told her write it down so you're hearing this you know when you stop spider you're hearing this from an outsider so just make your point and then you're done

194but you'll go on and on and yeah what you said and what you said you said this let me hear what they said just what do you think and what you can say simply i agree with yolanda and sheena lee and that's it i just went down the record if that's what you're going to say but you don't have to re with our just state your points and feedback move on then when you have something more to say like yolanda said i live within i have one in my car right every so anybody else have any anything else to say on that or you have some another topic uh well i just want to make sure that because shilling you had i imagine more than one thing was that does that exhaust your list what's

195the piece i want to talk about just in terms of what's on our agenda what would you have any additional follow-up from that particular item any follow-up questions or requests well i think i i struggle with thinking about how do we how do we do that without and without i know our doodle feeling like it's like it's like they're telling me to do something but they won't tell me to do it so it's like i'll know you know you heard that phrase like i'll know when i see it right and um and so i i don't i just i i don't know how we how we have that come to the agreement of what what that's gonna look like um to your point about more often right there were times before and yolanda will know

196this like where we've had like governance retweets twice a year we did them four times a year at some point right and those are very reflective meetings not only talking about our interactions but also the work of the district um but it's hard to want to have that if we meet weekly right it's too much but we actually i think we've there's been like i think march was the first month this school year that we didn't have a meeting every week because they texted our dude i was like it feels weird we're not we don't have a meeting today yeah well keep in mind wait till july and keep in mind that you guys are going through a lot right now you come out of coving in the school closures and you all have had

197a lot on your plate but i do want to go back to what you said real quick about the um assessment of programs and what's working and looking at data keep in mind that as a board that any time the superintendent and his team come to you with the program that they're going to implement one of the questions that you as a board should be asking is okay if we do this what does success look like what are the success indicators and that way you know okay so this is what we said but we were told that this is the reason they're doing this program is to improve you know a client z so then when you get your report you can go back to that and say okay we met that benchmark but not

198that one and we met that you know because you've known all along what the success indicators were and for our superintendent and i know you know this the superintendents get busy if um something changes like they're in code but there's a whole lot that changes and success indicators look totally different from what we might have originally thought they would be and it's hard to remember to keep people updated but when you get this update then if something has changed where it's like hey we're realizing already that this isn't going to work you know but these two parts are still working but this part here is not working this is why so we're tweaking this and changing this to that and you'll get your updates that way so you know make sure that you ask those

199questions from the beginning what does success look like how do we know if this is worth so i'm me 30 seconds so arturo i think one small thing that could be helpful is we always ask how much does it cost when is it going to happen how many kids like those kind of quantitative measures we're always going to ask so if that could be kind of part of your automatic part of the presentation that'll that'll eliminate probably you know the first five questions speaking of speaking of time and speaking of having meetings every week uh you know every every month this this it's 3 48 um so we are we're scheduled to go as as late as five if need be we may not need to go as late as five uh maybe we maybe

200we need to um but all that to say are there are there any other items we could we could discuss well one are there any other items to discuss in regards to things that we want to evaluate or discuss from from the evaluation one two uh that can't that can't wait that shouldn't wait there's the first piece the second one is in regard to our board um handbook and and protocols are there are we wanting to crack that thing open and begin working on that and use use our time and go up until five to be able to do that um or are there are there any other pieces that that others are feel strongly that that we it would be the best use of our time to go all the way up until five

201and and go into something else what i would like to go ahead and address is that um just like as we take surveys right and um there's things that need to be have improvement i i would like as a board to um one of the things that ms price said is is to how how are we as we're going to um strengthen in the area of growth you know how are we going to move forward with this are we going to set goals um well i think sabrina made the suggestion that you guys do many seconds maybe like every four months or so do a mini check in um like mini evaluation to see where you're at are you guys making progress from what's here but that's one way the other way is that you

202guys will see it it'll be visible in how you interact with each other how long you talk at the meetings stand on task the time when fast so all of those things will will be visible and you'll know that you're making progress on some of them and then the other ones you can see from the mini evaluation and if you see that there's something as president where you're like why is everybody still saying we're not good on this then that's maybe when you guys may even want to just reconvene yourself just for like maybe schedule an hour or so to talk about it you know say hey you know we've done two of these and we haven't changed so what's the issue what's the deal let's get it out right now but the other stuff

203as far as the inter a lot of this is today was based on interpersonal relationship and communication we've talked about it right we've addressed it um you guys are going to have some separate conversations as well so those things should start to dissipate that's my hope is that they will and you'll know okay i'm i'm feeling better about this yolanda i need to step on make a call because i tell my brother i'll pick him up at three he's at work and then i told him okay i'll be there till four and he's waiting for me and my son can pick them up well what is it does anyone have does anyone have anything on there as we're looking at what we need to do does everyone feel that we need to dive into the

204board protocol so our kudos looks like that's a yes and uh yes it's a comment okay uh well does anyone feel that and or are there any other items that are that we've not discussed that you want to bring in just to the board first so i don't know if your question is are we gonna get out the board handbook and redline it now or are we just highlighting areas that we want to work on so if we had if we spent another hour here what would be our goal and outcome so let me ask you go ahead i just want to add just a logistical right i'm not advocating for five or not five but our next governance meeting is october 11th so maybe it is helpful to forecast and say okay october 11th

205governance we should have done a selfie a mini self-evaluation everybody should arturo please put in the keyboard packet the handbook uh with you know some ideas just throwing that out there logistically uh october 11th is our next governance and so you know maybe that's a factor into your guys's conversations and decisions is there something quick to add only because i know yolanda you wanna maybe i don't wanna if you need to make a phone call because i was gonna i was gonna help to clarify what she wants to know about the time here's my suggestion to you you don't wanna rush through your protocols i would suggest that everyone go through um like arterials that make red lines that write in what you think what you think is not relevant maybe change what you think

206the wording should be and then when you come back together everybody should be prepared and then you can move forward effectively you won't have time to do that in an hour today so cool right right and i agree so can would would you all be good if if um would it be it could be me or me and another board member i mean our tutor craft just one statement to add to the to the to the board protocol manual about the the presidential redirection piece that we that we discussed here so we will i agree so we'll add that or or we can create language and and and maybe our you can you can send it out and get some some feedback that we're adding it to the protocol manual can what do you guys

207think would be the best appropriate would it be like every three months that we would do a self-evaluation on the board or a mini um quarterly orderly yeah yeah and i think using some of these existing items yeah right so we have it's comparable so what it sounds to me like from this meeting there will be some there will be some follow-up questions that our arthur can reach out to each of us for to ask things like what from these questions should we ask get feedback on the uh on on the one item that we do want to add to the board protocol um also sending out the board sending out the board protocol handbook anyway it's for people to be able to highlight redline um and whatnot so so it seems like there is

208going to be some follow-up stuff uh some homework that our tutorial has to send out to each of us to follow up from this meeting and if you need assistance with that feel free to reach out to me and i'll i'm happy to help the support debbie yes one of the things quarterly um so since we did it in june september that would help with our governance meetings in october december march four times here is that sound good i think the president i'm sorry the president superintendent should set the dates yeah i'm just giving a suggestion yeah i'm just throwing it out there it's not set in stone i think that makes sense we'll send something out oh so i i think it's important to circle back but i also when i was just looking

209i know angelina you were going to have us look at all the reds remember so i do think that what i just talked about if you look at 38 39 uh 48 and 49 i think those four together pretty much like summarize what i was talking about in terms of like success indicators and outcomes that's true yeah i think those four right there performing and you see there so i would like us to have some hap figure out when we have that conversation and frame it around those four areas sounds good i'm yeah i said 38 and 39 and then 48 and 49 and they're all very much aligned sort of like the last three were put like sort of a line same kind of got it thank you so so the question now that

210we have at 356 is uh do do our you know are all hearts clear if you will for us to to kind of move on from from this point um i do think that we made a lot of a lot of headway and discuss discuss some things there is going to be some follow-up future work that we need to do but but we uh to enjoy that to your point we may not be able to really get that done we'd be rushing if we tried to so is everybody okay if we if we move forward with some of these homework pieces that that we talked about yes just to close out my final words to all of you will be you know if you've been to any of the migs you know the the little

211saying that we love unified not uniform being a unified board does not mean you agree all the time it doesn't mean that you all get along all the time it doesn't mean that you don't have differences of opinion what it means is that when there's a vote when there's a discussion you respect other people's opinions and whether you're on the winning side or the losing side of a vote if it's a split vote you accept the vote that happened you don't go out you don't bat-mouth it you don't keep bringing up that somebody voted against it and this is your fault and you should have voted this and i don't know why you did that it is done you get behind it you support it you're unified you do not have to be uniform and

212then the other thing that i would say is your unity of purpose and gabriella you actually brought this up or you know one of you brought that up the unity of purpose yeah just remember your unity of purpose which is why are you here why do the six of you guys come together you know so many times a month to me what is your purpose to make sure that these students get the best education possible if you keep that at the forefront and always make every decision and every action based upon that you'll be okay it's going to take work but you guys will be okay but thank you guys for your honesty too today i really want to thank you for that i know it wasn't easy so thank you for that thank you

213well then with that um we will then move to 5.0 which is adjournment uh specifically 5.1 so is there a motion to adjourn our meeting make a motion to adjourn by 0.1 second i'm uh moving by board member rodriguez pena seconded by board member bo and we'll do a hand vote board member rodriguez pena member vote yes or remember cruz gonzalez yes remember adianas yes and i am also a yes um so the motion passes five to zero and we are adjourned at 3 59. have a good rest of the weekend and summer [Music]