Azusa Unified School District Special Board Meeting - October 26, 2021

001good evening everyone welcome to our board meeting today's date is october 26 2021 it is seven o'clock and i want to share our mission our mission is the asusa unified school district equips every student with the knowledge and skills for college and career readiness to fulfill their purpose and positively impact society i do want to remind the ones that are watching us and that will be public uh will be having public comment please raise your hand you have three minutes at this time i would go ahead and start this meeting call to order i will go ahead and start with board member grier here board member crew gonzalez president board member beau here and board member rodriguez pena frozen and now myself board member ariana's i am here there's five of us moving on to

002item 1.2 our flags blue we'll go ahead and stand up ready begin we're on to 2.1 approval approval of the agenda if i could please get a motion to move 2.1 come second we have a first by board member greer we have a second by board member rodriguez tanya next we'll go ahead and move on to 3.1 public comment on agenda or non-agenda items i'm sorry go ahead and take our vote electronically and this passes 5-0 next we'll go ahead and move on to 3.1 public comment on agenda or not agenda items do we have any blue cards on the floor do we have anybody raising their hand online yes at this time we have one person raising their hand it is a chris fish you mean me your mic hello um so i've been

003listening to everything that's been going on with reorganization and i've heard my wife speak about it non-stop for over a year now and i've listened to other parents and what has been shared by the teachers and the staff at the board meetings i know that it's a difficult decision to make and i wanted to take a moment of your time to express some concerns that have come from my mind as a father of a student in the azusa unified school district i've heard of a lot of concerns about the school district losing students if one of the high schools closes or losing students because you put 7th and 8th graders on a campus with high schoolers no matter what option is chosen there will unfortunately be a loss of students and there will be people

004who are not happy it's inevitable however that being said i am not a fan of model 4. children today are grown up a lot faster than than ever before with social media children nowadays want to seem older than what they really are and putting 7th and 8th graders onto a high school campus with older children is going to cause them to grow up even faster um as they're going to want to fit in and get into the right clicks and there won't be an opportunity to grow and find themselves with students of the same age like they would in a middle school setting i think i've made the decision that i do not want my child to go to a school that is 7th 7th to 12th grade i understand that these are not closed

005campuses and there would be instances where younger students would be mixing with the older students and it is not the best environment for my side for my son to grow up in another concern i have with model 4 is the overall percentages were somewhere around the 75 capacity for two 7 to 12 grade campuses with this with the expected declining enrollment throughout the years that capacity would decrease and i feel that this type of model would not be sustainable in the long run why would the district want to continue to split um why would the district want to continue to split resources amongst two 7th to 12th grade campuses at which point we're going to have two 7th to 12th grade um two middle schools and two high schools running concurrently when the funding for

006one middle school and one high school would make much better use of the resources for each student my son is in first grade right now and the way the enrollment seems to be headed i worry that if model 4 is chosen when it is time for him to go to middle school the district will be having this on the agenda again and we'll have to reevaluate the state of the schools in a few years time and it is likely that if model 4 is chosen that my my son is not going to be a student in the azusa unified school district for middle school and high school thank you for your time this evening thank you chris fish next we move on to estonia smith hi good evening everyone my name is sonya smith and

007i am a lot a lifelong assistant resident susan high alumnus and most importantly an asu parent of two elementary school children and one ausd middle school student first i want to thank all of you for calling today's special meeting as information shared today and decisions being made will impact our entire community tonight i want to share my personal hope and vision for our children in our community what i envision for my school-aged children is one consolidated high school and one of at one of the high school sites and one consolidated middle school at the other high school site and then the tk to five schools based on enrollment numbers consolidating to one high school would allow for greater opportunities with ethical electives a stronger music program and stronger sports programs as a freshman in college

008i felt that i lacked the opportunity to choose electives in high school such as psychology or anatomy compared to other classmates who had attended larger high schools nonetheless ausd did prepare me for college in grad school but i strongly believe that one consolidated high school would enhance my children's high school experience with declining enrollment around the san gabriel valley we will continue to see its impact on our music program and sports programs if we continue with a two high school model we will continue to spread our resources among the two schools instead of creating one solid high school i also envision my children going to a larger six to eight middle school at one of the current high school campuses and taking advantage of the newly remodeled gyms fields and not wasting measure k funds

009our children would be able to take advantage of the increased opportunity for a variety of of electives with larger enrollment numbers you are all well aware that azusa has a long history of rivalry traditions among the two current high schools and creating any type of change would disappoint many but i think as a community we need to be forward thinking we really need to look at what is best for our children in our community the reality is that enrollment will continue to decline and in order to continue to provide great opportunities for our children and also be fiscally responsible we need to consolidate schools maybe a fresh start with the new structure will attract others to the in surrounding cities instead of what we currently see with families choosing the surrounding high schools because of

010stronger programming and stronger sports programs changing to a 7 to 12 school model will also increase the risk of more families leaving as some of us share the same valid concerns of having our 12 year old children on an open campus with 18 and 19 year old many worry about the maturity level others worry about safety and others about exposing kids to some not so comfortable things to talk about like gangs this decision will not be easy for all of you but i hope you continue to listen with an open mind at all the ideas configurations and hopes thank you for letting me share my vision and hopes to be able to provide increased opportunities for our children in our community thank you mistonia smith next we have felista louisa hello i feel like i

011get a weekly chat with you all i love it um hello superintendent ortega steam cabinet members and school board members the vision of ausd states that each student will be a problem solver critical thinker and effective communicator and a positive contributor to the community the mission of ausd is that the district equips every student with the knowledge and skills for college and career readiness to fulfill their purpose and positively impact society as you enter today's study session in the upcoming days to your final vote i urge you to return to the vision of mission to remember that the upcoming decisions and impacts are those that put our students first to reach their highest purpose and impact i urge you to ask yourselves reflective questions what option will provide the most opportunities to build the whole

012child what option would give students who may be interested equally in multiple opportunities for the best opportunities to thrive for college and beyond for example a student that may love art and also be interested in stem what option would give students the best resources so they can thrive right now p e and r are state requirements for k through 12 but are not fully implemented in our elementary schools what option can best give students can help students learn the skills and be but supported not just to receive but also give back to their community and society what decision would you want your constituent um constituents past and present to remember about you i understand that your position is difficult you are making decisions that impact the trajectory of current student not just current students but

013those of decades to come your decisions impact teachers and staff staff who worked hard and deserve opportunities within our district yet still i hope you remember the mission as a school board member is just as your oath stated to defend the constitution of the united states and state of california and as you carry it out your oath may you also return to your mission to equip every student with knowledge and skills so that they may fulfill their purpose and positively impact society thank you for your time thank you for your comments do we have anybody else on zoom raising their hand we have no other hands raised at this time since we're still in public comment um but anybody for the audience would like to come up the podium make comments i would like to

014go ahead and move to um 4.1 but before i do i would like to thank all of you guys that are here in public um thank you guys for for being here today and i want to thank um everyone watching at home and um for all the comments that were made and this is a special meeting um that the board has called to have ample time to be able to discuss to ask questions um to really get into um a more discussion on the school reorganization and as i as we're moving on to 4.1 full reorganization i'll go ahead and just start by saying that um this this is not an easy decision that is correct there's a lot of planning there's a lot of data that we've asked our our cabinet that we've studied

015we've read um and we'll go ahead and start now um pretty much the way that we have uh for this meeting i wanted to go ahead and kind of go along if anybody has any comments we'll go ahead and start that way or if they want to present anything um go ahead and start with the board member career so i will say i i've i've appreciated the conversations and and the information that i've received not only here and before meetings to convert that just one to one combos that i've had with the folks out community as well as some who joined in on the conversation that i had online the online coffee um i was even grateful this this last week was able with a couple of our colleagues to visit couples uh fights that

016have different models rules i'm i i continue to um to see challenges with well let me back up and say i recognize that we don't have let me let me state and acknowledge we don't have to pick we don't have two options before us there are recommendations that are coming out coming our way and we need to look at how we might adapt or adjust some of those those programs and i think that there's i imagine there will be some some space there to do that but with that said i i continue to not be able to wrap my mind around a 7 type of an option for a school um one of the significant things that i i learned when a few of us went to some of those schools last last week is

017that in each of those districts where there's a 712 7 7 12 is an option and they have there are other school sites within those districts that have the option of a traditional high school and that's not what we're looking at if we were to look at a 712 that would be the only only option and so again i i continue to be unable to wrap my mind around that working in our district and and the conversations that i have with with other folks in the community um are the same thank you for your comments next we'll go ahead and go with board member um chris gonzalez i'll make this easy i agree with adrian feel the same way i should go with board member beau um i also had the opportunity to visit along

018with my colleagues some of the other band schools in other districts and there's no easy answer right a couple one of the schools has been operating on a shared campus for more than 26 years um with a very segregated campus between the middle school and the high school and the other campus we visited um started about 10 years ago and had has now become it looks like it looks and feels like one school and we saw lunch with 1400 kids and it seemed very peaceful it seemed that it seemed very safe those are just my observations being on the ground and realizing that every school every district has its own culture certainly year one would look very different from year 10 or year 25 or year 26 um i do appreciate the the opportunity to

019go visit other schools and ask directly administrators what's working what would you change if you had to do it all over again how would you design it differently i think we were able to get a lot of insight i think it's important for us to see that um now as we're considering different types of options um i think one of my my thoughts is and i i heard this to uh board member greer that um preserving a number of options in the district i believe is important and but i also want to make the distinction that that doesn't mean that we will have every option but i think we should i'm a strong proponent of ensuring that there are more than one option for parents um parents make these decisions along with their students and

020they know what works best for their children and what works best for sibling 1 may not be the best for sibling 2. so as we get down to analyzing the models as presented and looking at edits and modifications to those models i believe that we should one of the criteria would be to preserve or enhance some of the grade span options available in the district thank you board member beau nick we have board member rodriguez kenya yes good evening everyone first of all i just want to thank the um superintendent and the cabinet and the reorganization team that worked so hard on all this information and brought to us recommendations they have a very good models three and four i have myself personally switched from model four to start one to model three when as

021i did my research speaking to community members and speaking to parents and also visiting those two sites i did notice that the school sites that were the seven to twelve their schools are a whole lot larger than our schools they had a lot more space i'll tell you so that's one thing that kind of like i don't think our campuses are big enough the way the high school kids are pretty much in one area the middle schools for some reason from this other area but our schools are so are very small um does it compare to those those two so i i could not compare ausd to the students that i visited um and i also think that my decision is based will be based on the community the students and what is best for

022our kids and our programs in the band and the football team and this is what i'm hearing from community members so and i do feel that the seventh and eighth graders i i retired 40 years to a junior high school they need their own space they definitely need their own space their own um personalities their you know their own football teams their own cheerleading team they just need their own space i don't think it'd be great to put them together because then all of a sudden it's always the high school you know seniors or peer leaders that would have her whatever you know probably have more weight than they do in the element in the middle school so again i changed my mind again i'm gemini so i changed back and forth a lot too

023that's from what i hear so um now i'm at the other side and i'm thinking that you know i would like to see one of the high schools be a seventh and eighth model and the other school combined with the high school uh students so we can have better programs this is our goal our goal is to have more programs you know activities uh electives that was the main goal why we started this new organization thank you for your comment i i i also have can i please hear one thing that i i'm bringing to the table is i'm i'm bringing both models to um to the table but but first i would like to recognize one of our council members um council member avila thank you for attending and i know you have a

024student in our district so i appreciate your presence um i i brought this um fourth because i would like to approach this um in a way where we as the board can think about different options the models that were presented to us model 3 model 4 can have other you know ideas so i'm bringing those ideas forward and what you guys see up in the screen screen is model 3 but it's modified and so what i'm bringing to the table is for us to be able to have foothill arts academy k-8 which would be at foothill middle school and that would have stem just everything from the arts just all there valley dale k through eight dalton k through eight so we would go ahead and have three schools that would be k through eight

025paramount k through hodge k through six magnolia k through six and murray k through six and one of the things that i would like to you know to see is for us to have all of our preschools at their home school so therefore longfellow is not on this model model three modified uh one high school 10 through 12 at one of our current high schools we talked what i've heard from the board is um and i've heard from some is that the overcrowding right um i i think that being able to go ahead and do a 10 through 12 at one of the current high schools would alleviate that and would help making one of the middle schools seventh through ninth could be three grades as well at one of the current high school and

026we would be able to keep our our field everything that we've invested at both high schools we would be able to continue using these models these renovations that we have we fought so hard and i as a parent i remember wanting a requesting um for the bathrooms and the bleachers at gladstone high school to be renovated for a souza's a gym as well and so these things have happened we put an air conditioner so much a lot of you know renovation has been happening at these two high schools and therefore with this model you would see both high schools being utilized one for one high school 10 through 12 one from middle school seven through nine one thing that i modified here with model 3 is to move sierra to an empty school such as

027center because it has it has a locker room and we can utilize the rest of what uh of the empty classrooms for things such as um uh what is it called oh my gosh the um the offices that we have in covina dirk bring them to asusa let's move them you know let's let's move them there there's there's going to be room and the reason that i with this model that i went ahead and thought of the idea of moving sierra because theory and the adult school are just not fitting in one area therefore it were to move sierra adult school would have all that area here high school would have enough um room as well they would have locker rooms the students that go to continuation school would be able to have pe as

028well they would have you know we can go ahead and um take care of the track so they can walk um run have some sports there and those are the modifications that i've added for for model three i'll be um does anybody have i i have another model model for as well that i'm gonna present does anybody have to add one thing to your model oh um dalton i also seen um as a pedo eighth but i would like to also see a dual immersion um chinese still merchant and um valley dale has the uh film version also but it's banished and victor hodge right the victor hodgkin but i think we need to you know um have another language also offer another language to our community you know i bringing that i i think

029one of the conversations that we were having as a board um was what was the fact that it was initiated there was uh not a lot of parents interested but at the same time um i i feel like it was not um correctly advertised um to to all of our community just everyone and so one of the conversations that we were having as a board was um to what you're saying board member rodriguez pena is having the dual immersion but but making it an all campus dual immersion and starting it off that way and so that that's a conversation you know we can't have um for all of the school to get to have this um dual language um mandarin and i want to add something else i noticed you don't have power on there

030correct correct i do not yeah i will and so um so so when i thought about this i i thought um you know powell is is out um on the enrollment i looked at the enrollment um i looked at the capacity it is off of monoloa and citrus um i was thinking also i know we discussed about us two closures and i mean even the last time we made this too close we talked about you know at that time we should have may have closed more than two schools and i think now is the time that we need to make these decisions so we're not doing this like every year and it's true i think powell only has 288 students with eight uh 84 capacity so i i really don't see the sense of keeping

031that school open with uh you know delightful in and would well with the funding that we're paying into this one school this one small school so i i agree with you um board member i'm honest thank you that's that's something that we can definitely consider the mandarin um you know like you said the capacity uh the enrollment um i took all that into consideration i took all the data and um was able to go ahead and come up with this model and like i said we don't have um i i went ahead and um made sure that i uh you know addressed that some parents are are comfortable with k through eight right um some parents are not we're giving them that option some parents are that want that one high school right we're giving

032them that one high school but it would be 10 through 12 and it wouldn't be as impacted as um previously is has been shared on the board that that was one of um you know one of the issues that um looking into the one high school uh the one middle school uh seventh or ninth the ninth graders would be able to go ahead and still participate in cif sports because they would have a feel and they would still have all of everything you know they would they would still be able to do uh football they would still participate in football baseball and so forth and we would be able to provide that for them when we look at the programs right one of the things that um i've been considering is you know we talk

033about program programs we would like to see well it would be better at this school you know that is why i i thought well why not have a foothill arts academy we need to keep the art we would have music right we would have art drama i'll incorporate it all in one now that's one thing that we yes powell um you know did did have that but being able to go ahead and bring all k8 i i think that with this model it would benefit those students that are looking for that you know those parents that are looking for that um for their children um any questions discussion model three i'd like to have a discussion around what a seven through nine program looks like in terms of a ninth grader taking advanced last what

034what would that look like what what would the options be for a student to take the next level ap class if they're on a 7-9 campus initial reaction would be that um there'd be some limits there and we'd be back to maybe the same situation that we're in right now uh in terms of access [Music] again initial reaction um it seems we're talking about pathways talking about possibly growing uh other programs um seems to me more fitting for for ninth graders to be on the same campus as the 10th 11th 12th graders um but i mean that's just initial reaction i mean obviously we'd have to look into i'm not aware of 10 to 12 um so programmatically um my initial reaction is that ninth graders would be better suited and better served on a

035high school campus again not saying this is impossible there's just initial reaction i don't know if if any of anybody else has any reaction to that but that's again just some initial reaction in terms of giving them a robust access and experience to to the high school again in no way shape or form saying it's impossible i mean that's just an initial reaction mr taylor could you um i didn't want to interrupt when you were speaking did you elaborate or give some additional context when you said there could be some limitations like what we have now what do you mean what did you mean when you said that so yeah so we have courses that are not grade specific right um so we have some electives that are not grade specific uh we have uh

036some activities that are not rate specific and so that again my gut reaction is again i'm not saying it's impossible but my gut reaction is would we be limiting ninth graders from taking uh an ap course or an advanced mathematics course or you know something like that because what we are what we are trying to address right now i would hate for that to be built in a seven to nine where we're back to small classes and we're trying to offer everything at the ninth grade um for ninth graders which we should but again does that dilute um that that possibility again we have to look at it more carefully that's just some initial reaction there thank you oh yeah so the the seven two uh nine model the um so the seventh and eighth

037graders have a different curriculum than the ninth grade traders right can i just well you guys are thinking about that um i thank you for your questions um but before you answer i think you know one of the things that i hear you saying um is that your gut feeling but in reality i i think you know the way that we are doing things a lot of the times we we approach things as a gonna be a lot of work or oh i don't i don't know you know we're gonna i think it's important that yeah we do the research and that you know one of the things that with this model that i would like to see is the ecp to be the early college program the ecp to be offered at the middle

038school for the students to start at seventh grade because citrus college offers that and for them to you know to once they enroll in the program what will happen is once they're done in 12th grade they would have completed the two years at citrus college therefore they would have an aaa and a high school diploma i would like to see this be brought forth in you know with with these changes that we're doing so this model kind of reflects that as well that they can start i mean we look at electives right i please you know let me know like let us know why is it that we would not be able to offer these electives at a middle school right what are the challenges you know share that with us we don't know you

039guys know but from being in the classroom for 15 years at a high school right and being at the middle school we can we have to find a way we can't we just have to find a way right we don't see i i knew because i tried to research um middle school seventh or ninth and yes i agree with you i i did not find one but at this point right now as we're making these changes right let's think of no idea let's think of what we can do different to attract people to our district right and this is something that nobody has ever done and if if we can why not why can't we do it okay so i have the same question that i asked you prior and also i do know those

040many concerns of parents uh speaking about their younger kids going with odor in the same that was the whole idea with the 7 to 12 model so here we're talking about uh 12 and 13 year olds with 16 year olds you don't think we're gonna have that same um concern from parents and that's what concerns me and again i i want to ask on the curriculum same question okay um there's there's definitely different curriculum for middle school and for high school right and so uh ninth graders are part of that um credits high school credits right and so they are also taking those a through g courses um just again this is just initial couple things that come to mind world language right now our 9th graders can take spanish or french the other thing

041that comes to mind is our integrated mathematics program and so 9th graders can take integrated 1 but they can also take an integrated accelerated course as well so those that's just a couple things i'm thinking of taking the same process that you know if they're in the same campus they would not take the same classes right yeah and and just my second question real quick also the k to eighth um the curriculum there also um i know we have concerns with l 10 regarding is it going to be an elementary model um their curriculum because they have like less minutes than band less minutes than and again i'll bring it back that was another concern so i'm just bringing up stuff that we we we did experience it by having that k2a school concerns from

042the staff and and the parents i just wanted to add that a board member career so looking at this model that that that you put together here's here's personally here's what i love about it i love that it is out of the box thinking and it is not biased to uh necessarily well to the models that were presented that came forward as recommendations as as it comes when it's all said and done it's on the board to vote on what the models will look like so i appreciate that this is out of the box thinking and it pushes us to consider things that we have not considered with that said i think that there are a lot of layers here and so it's things in here that are that are probably helpful to consider and

043things that that are within this model that are problematic so it's as we're looking at this it's probably important to note that you're you're presenting this with components and how can we how can we analyze this from components like what components might be might we you know consider keeping or being part of the model but it's not even with this model that you presented it's not an all or none so maybe there's things that we look at here and we say this is this is a good idea this is not this is a this is challenging this is this is helpful um to help shape whatever um model ends up absolutely board member career i i i'm presenting this this model here tonight because like you said this is out of the box you know

044we need to think out of the box um and this is absolutely this is not like solidified i'm open right for us to to talk about this and and that that's why i'm bringing it forward board member cruz gonzalez thank you um so just a couple things um i think what i've heard all of us say is that we're all leaning toward one middle school junior high and one high school i think i heard us all say that i still have one model okay you wanna okay then i'll i won't say that but i think um i would be open to having a conversation about whether that middle school is a seven nine or six eight um but i do i mean and i know that there there are schools that do exist like that

045there are and they're mostly you find them in other states not in california but i would be really interested if we're going to do that what you know what does research say about that right i mean there's been a lot of configuration people made switches like in the 70s from this model to what we have today so just understanding what are the trade-offs to having having these grades right so that's what i'd be very interested in having a conversation um and then in terms of the elementaries i feel like a lot of my brain space has been around this middle high school piece right so i think um and i hear a lot of people throwing out programs that they want to see you know i heard duel immersion which i agree with i hear

046um the arts i mean i think i've heard sabrina talk about um um international baccalaureate which which i think is a critical point so i think i'd like to have well let's see your other model then because i think i would like to make at least firm up where we are going with the high school levels and then after that start having a conversation about you know what are these what are the elementary schools level look um before i move on to model 4 i i want to thank my colleagues you know thank you for you know for just looking at this and considering any of this and if you guys have any ideas right um one of the things that you said uh board member cruz gonzalez is um the the bachelorette um iv

047right international baccarat you know that can also be included in one of the k through a you know i mean that that can be totally doable one of the one of the great things that um someone shared with me just in the last two weeks is this that we as the board are going to make this decision and they're not going to be easy this is going to be a painful growth for everybody and this model three you know many people as you are watching right now may like it may not but this is what right now what we have in front of us right and we we've kind of shared what what what what we think about it whether we like it we're not um and i i agree we should we should have

048a robust conversation if this is a model that we we think that we would like to go ahead and have right which includes the one high school now moving on to model four so if you look at model four we still would keep we would go ahead and go with the foothill arts academy k through 8 valley dale k through 8 dalton k through 8. paramounts paramount k through six podge k through six magnolia k through six murray k through six now this is where it's a little different the one high school would be nine through twelve at 1 of the current high school the other high school would be a 7 through 12 arts academy high school at one of the current high school and dara would move to the empty schools adult school

049stay at the current site and again longfellow in the schools that you do not see here would be the ones that would be eliminated um one of the reasons to that what i've heard from from parents and again the data is that parents want a 9th or 12th some parents are ok with 7 through 12. well guess what with this model in model 4 we give options we give variety of options that may be something that again stepping out of the box right thinking at i i i did not find another high school another district who has both models that are here near us you know in san gabriel valley but when we look at programs again um you know so my question would be you know we're talking about uh now sport right well

050that's why one of the high schools would be kind of like the continuation of the foothill arts academy the arts academy then we would have high school that would be an arts academy so one of the high schools that would be nine through 12 would majority constantly the constitution would be um we're talking about like extracurricular activities we're talking about the sports we're talking about things that right now we cannot fill because we have two high schools right we can't get a a cross-country team together football i i went by the schools today they have one varsity team we have freshmen playing on the varsity team you can see a difference between a freshman and a high schooler i mean a 12th grader in high school you can see the difference right how about if

051you know with this right here um there's there's not much changing in the elementaries um we would just be looking at the high school this is what i'm presenting to you guys um [Music] thoughts questions i'll jump in first so um you know when i first when we first started thinking about the high schools and actually gabriella when you you brought it up i think four years ago about looking at one school high school i think in my mind this something similar to this is what i thought and i thought okay we could have one big comprehensive high school and we could have a smaller school like in west covina they have an early college program where it's a small school site there are really not really extracurricular activities but kids need to go go

052there and they know they're going to walk out with a dope with an aaa right so i thought to me that made that make sense um but now having had seen a lot of a lot of information having had the committee discuss it i mean i i really still lean towards having one comprehensive high school because we can build those programs into that comprehensive high story we can build a full early college program and there's actually nothing preventing us from having a conversation with them right now about starting in ninth grade right you know what talked about hospital so we can build that and we can build a really strong ibb program um so i would just say i still um and the appeal of thinking that we're going to have a middle school is

053going to have access to a gym it's going to have access to an amazing field that could potentially have access to a pool right if we're able to work with you know you know and you know i'm just dreaming big why not exactly so but to me that is that to me is very appealing and so that's why i still default to something connected to model 3. i want to add regarding the um if we had thought about if we have the 1912 and one high school enrollment-wise capacity-wise is it feasible yes if we went there um when um president i was mentioning about the overcrowding and despite the idea the 789 right so again you know because we also need to think about room for growth you know we can just pack everyone in

054in one place and all of us in room for growth you know we need to think about that also but so as we're looking at that capacity numbers enrollment i'm look as i look at the chart and i see that that we're projecting to have continued declined enrollment i i don't see the impact that we're talking about i think there's one model that that i i saw somewhere that says 105 if we were to move everyone into one of them changed very much to be noticed as the ghost of the years right well i don't know i think it i think it does like as i'm as i'm looking at it as as i'm look well i'm the this is the 10-year enrollment capacity and it says that school sites uh right now azusa and

055gladstone would be at 36 percent and 38 capacity by uh 20 was this 20 30 31. so as we're looking at those those numbers and we're thinking about room for growth there will be room for growth built in uh if if we were to move to the one campus room for growth would happen as there is decline as enrollment declines then if enrollment picks up there's room because we're not at because we wouldn't be at capacity yeah um so i just when we cause a cup i've heard a couple um board members say talk about impaction i just don't i don't see where where where have we talked about their the potential for are supposed to be impacted is that is that a concern from the surveys that parents were saying that's where they came

056from and so and i wonder if the so when people are talking about impaction i i wonder if what is meant by that is we talk about the ratios of the student number of students to uh to teachers but those ratios are connected to one to to uh state standards and also state funding and so even if if we were to correct me if i'm wrong if as we look at some of these different models that the uh that staff and have put together that does not necessarily drop down the student-to-teacher ratios so there would be no so the number of students in the classroom would not necessarily change regardless of the different model what do you mean because that was one of my concerns because i know the ratio of is of 1 to

05736 right for teacher right i don't want to see a classroom that's going to have 36 students it's not part of the future of teaching it's not fair for the student to learn to me that's to me that in one class because i've seen classrooms and walk in them where all these kids are just all in there you know um and and i don't think they're the student again or the teacher that teaches because we don't have instruction noise any longer very many anymore i should say um also to help this team but um can you speak to do any of the models that you have that you've presented do do they do they suggest that we would drop our student-to-teacher ratio now right now our students who teacher ratio is a contractual uh that's

058with a bargaining unit and um right now we don't see any any model that has been put forward that suggests if we go with this model it'll be 20 to 1 or 1801. so if there's a if a parent has perceived that our classrooms are impacted now if we were to go to this model or any of these models that we looked there would there this doesn't necessarily get at that that is correct and and there are if you look at the survey there are some some folks who feel that if we went with like a model three that the school would get larger therefore the class sizes would get larger but the class side class sizes do not get larger again this is a contractual issue so the class numbers do not get larger

059now if we have a class right now currently with with seven kids right seven students taking x course then yes right the potential of that class growing um is is high this is why we're doing uh what we're doing to maximize our programs maximize uh our facilities but in terms of where we can how many students can take a course uh that doesn't change support member bo mr tay i have a question and if you could give uh your best verbal answer now and follow up with um a report for us um i know board members pena posed the question at our last meeting around um cost savings from our most recent school closure can you speak you could give us some idea now around either the you know what reduction and or redistribution of

060staff and administrators happened in our last school closure and in in any of these scenarios what what do we think is anticipated in terms of either staff administrator reduction and or redistribution to support new and more robust programs uh the first question would be tough because i was not intimately involved in in that aspect of the first one but we could speak about right now um so if we are like looking at the model 3 consolidating one high school then that automatically if we start if we begin with administration that doesn't necess does not necessitate two principles depending on the size of the school that we have you know put out does not necess does not necessitate the amount of system principles that we have uh would not necessitate necessitate one two principal secretaries so

061yes there would be there would be a reduction in in force when you combine two schools that doesn't mean all along uh that could be certificated that could be classified and that could be management as well um it would again depend on on openings retirements you know all that good stuff but but yes when when you are condensing or you're consolidating in that manner um it is going to come with reduction of force so may i ask that formally that you and your staff put together a comprehensive report on what staffing redistribution or reduction look like as well as any operational cost savings we achieved in the last full closure is that possible i mean i know you have to pull it together but i think that it makes it real right if we're looking

062at we're in a school reorganization paradigm and there are things that we need to cut in order to gain and so we i think we really need to know what those numbers are or at least what the numbers were and what what could be contemplated here we we can definitely try and we also need to look at the um what money how much are we gonna have to spend to make all these changes you know what are what look like when we are going to i don't know at the parking like we did it you know like i mentioned before correct and you know what has to be changing what is the budget for that and how much are we going to spend because i like to see you know what are the second um

063move that we're doing or unexpected um spending one of the things that i i would like to see with with both models is i would like to commit for us to fix those pools you know it to be able we have the fields now right to bring to bring a believer i mean let's let's have a conversation about having a district feel at one of the sites that we're going to close down i mean i i understand you know what i what i'm hearing about the budget and and and how much we're going to spend but at the same time i think it is important this is our our our chance to be able to reimagine right we look at we look at this and to re-imagine our asusa unified school district we're going to

064have to probably you know perhaps it we are going to have to spend a little to get a little if we want to be a district that is competitive and that you know offers programs where we have individuals that are living in this city that are going to other districts for these programs and for the you know for the curb appeal come on you know just lawson the other day you know and latasha was here but wow a little bit of pain a long way right we need to start thinking about yes we need to start thinking about the budget but at the same time having this comfort having these conversations of why is why are the ceilings falling apart why is the carpet at lawson middle school been there for 35 years i mean

065these are conversations that we need to have we we look another question when when we are going to do these um um you know all the changes that is going to be one bond money right move on measure k funding um all these changes that we're going to be having when we have to revamp the schools or add a portable or i'm not sure so i think we need to look at that first before we start building the pool it can um one of the things that when it comes to the pool there was a few years ago when i was a um well i'm still a parent but um but i was not on the board and one of the things that there's a lot of grants out there that we are just not

066taking advantage of we have hilda solis that is our representative here in a souza high school area we have katherine barger who is the representative in the in the gladstone area a few years ago i went ahead and reached out and tried to you know uh get try to try to um meet with hilda solis and um who who who i was able to meet at that time was um catherine barger and one of the things that they did was at south hills they granted i believe it was five million dollars for them to redo their pool the only thing that they asked in return for the community was for them to be able to access and be able to open it up for the community in the summer so this conversation was had and

067i and i was able to go ahead and bring some people in and the district was approached and because and and this is what happened i'm just i'm just sharing i'm not putting any blame but somebody decided that that was too much because that was a lot of work and i really want to stress this because you know what this right here whether it's model 3 or model 4 is gonna be work and that falls yes on our cabinet and that falls on our directors and that falls on our principles and that falls on the secretaries and then it falls on the teachers and so forth and so forth it's a domino effect i get it but again and it falls on the board of education at the end all the time yes ma'am you

068know as we're approaching it and and we're gonna have to make a decision let's think outside the box when it comes to you know money again there's money out there the conversations just need to get started the conversations need to be happening being approached right south hills i don't know if you guys have seen it has a beautiful pool and it's open for the community for them to come in the summer um board member cruz gonzalez yeah no i think those are excellent ideas um i know they also paid for a pool in la puente too so i'm at the y so i think those are um great things to do what i would like to suggest is maybe we can just talk about like where do we have consensus so we can start moving

069forward i think i tried to stay i think maybe we had consensus around the you know whether we have one or the model 3 or model 4 because i think that will help us just move forward and then we can start talking about you know what it what grade and then element board member career yeah no i would agree with that completely and and let me let me just go out and say models wise um again not necessarily talking about talking about schools now but just looking at models the concept of having a one comprehensive high school the concept of having one comprehensive middle school and looking at for you know capacity reasons that being a six through eight instead of a seven through eight um utilizing one of the the high school campus for

070that and still ensuring that there is at least one k-8 model in the district that seems to make sense to me to offer some options and also maximize resources for programs um one of the questions that was before us uh during public comment was what what models as we're looking at these things what would what would provide the programs and the opportunities to build the uh you know a holistic dialed and and i think that that model some variation of that model would get at get at that the concern i would have with that the only one of the issues that i i also can't quite understand is the transportation aspect of things that's still that's still something to look at and consider is if there was one comprehensive middle school how would we go

071about doing that i know that we saw numbers that communicated like home to home to school i wonder if it was full site full site if you and if we look at some of those those pieces um but i i would i would be in favor of us exploring options down down that one of the things um i did an internship at glendora unified school district and one of the things that they glendara high school um does two things that i want to share is one they have block schedule and as i did my own little research and i surveyed my students they loved it i spoke to teachers and you know what some teachers were not okay with it at first but one of the benefits that it brought to the high school and

072for the students was you know the student athletes um the students that are that need um the extra help that are in um special education right rsp sdc um they had the chance to be able to to get that extra help so they would start um they would start late uh later and they would have i believe it was like a half an hour or so of open office hours and the teachers would and i know that's that's contract and negotiable i'm just right this is a conversation i'm just throwing it out there um for for the students to go ahead and in the morning they would go and they would um they would have help um on homework or things uh that that they needed to to speak with the teacher about and so

073they would have um do they have this block schedule with student athletes it would help because they did not have six courses to do homework on it was three and so the grades have improved the performance their test scores right because they had that extra time with that teacher it was not just lecture and go do your homework it was lecture present hands-on i'm here you know it was and so i would like to have a conversation about block schedule i want to show yeah i'm just throwing ideas out there i'm just i'm not attached to any of them i'm just throwing them out there because the the concern i think that's great but the concern i have is that that's that's probably a little cart before the horse i think as we look at

074that whether we went with a model three or a model four that we can have that conversation and discuss you know block schedule or not um so that's a that's a that's a that sounds more of like an in like an in the weeds program thing that we need to have at some point when back to the board member uh cruz gonzalez's point i think it would be wise for us to kind of get some sense and around some general direction i guess we're not we're not i don't know we're not taking action tonight right the reason i want to be able to just express that this is why we're here i i think and so i want to take this opportunity i mean if anybody else has any ideas and i also have something

075to say if when it's my turn okay go ahead board member yeah so um what i'm um would like to do between model three and four i would like to see one high school nine to twelve one other high school seventh and eighth students all in one campus dalton elementary gateway with a mandarin valley dale pay to eighth spanish all elementary schools k to sticks and um longfellow i would like the long fellow students to go to their home school and and even that um campus may be used for uh sierra high school sarah high school this time has 164 students and it varies i'm not sure what the highest they've gone but at this time they have 164 students but it's a smaller campus they do have a cafeteria and and you know um

076and everything but um board member that's bernie can you repeat that again you said all which part um you said you would like to see allah elementaries k through six and then the k-26 and then the long fellow students go to their home school and then you get to get their first that that was my idea and so the high schools i'm sorry high school i would like to see um one high school nine to twelve and it and it's because of the curriculum i think it's important that we keep the ninth and twelfth because of their curriculum and their um is totally different than the seventh and eighth grade seventh and eighth grade on one campus um dalton elementary k-8 mandarin with the mandarin di bellydale spanish di which they have now and um

077victor hodge also has the mandarin and okay then all the other elementaries keep them k26 but of course ed the long fellow students um you know go to their own home school i don't know how many kids there are in there but um and you know i just had one more question mr thanga so the um all these enrollments they do include the students that are independent study at this time and um special education students also that is correct okay thank you that that's my five stance here rodriguez can you say when you were with that model does that does that um suggest that one of the high schools would be the seven eight yes yes so i'm kind of mixing three and four i'm not i'm not on three i'm not on four i

078just kind of know my research and i just thought this would be feasible for the students in the community just for clarification um did you say k through eight dalton with mandarin yes and did you say k through eight valley dale with spanish yes and then podge keep oh no no they're still okay to k26 but i'm just saying they do have um d.i you know spanish dual immersions yeah um i i know that um and i thank you guys for for your comments and yes i i probably am getting ahead of myself but um you know these like i said i i think it's important that um that we do have these conversations and um it's not a it's possibilities right well we're looking at these well we're looking at all all of these

079uh reconfigurations changes that are that are going to be happening you know being able to to share being able to say hey you know what about this like i said about the polls i i i feel very strongly about the polls um that's a conversation we do need to have and i mean yes we're getting ahead of our i'm getting ahead of myself but at the same time you know it is important that if any of you guys have anything to share you know that you guys would like like i think this is this is the time um i'm i'm not married to the one um right i i think um this is something that um i mean let me ask you guys these questions real quick um as as we're going to move forward

080into fighting but i i think it's important that you know what we can publicly just share what we if we are married to mary uh to model three or model four um it really is you know it's up to you guys um what you would like to share but i think um it is important that um that we all have input in this is this is just not by me presenting these models this is just not my models these are our models and i i want to i want to stress that this is just not me just like this is what i want um but one of the things that um parents had concerns right was that and we we've had we had just had a parent tell us and i i've met with i

081i've met with over 200 parents and one of the things that was consistent with all the parents was this why is it that the district next door gets to have this and we don't why is it this right or why is it if we were to do you know everybody goes to northview well let's have a conversation once we decide what model we're going to i would like to ask us to have a conversation of why can't we have this why can't we have that we owe it to our students so with that being said if you guys are are comfortable with um going forward with with one of these models we can go ahead and have a more robust conversation are you saying one of the models that you presented as as you presented

082or any of the right model three or model four right yes uh would you like to go ahead and start a board member sure so the the the challenge that i see with model 3 as it's presented to us let me let me share one of my assumptions and so staff please correct me if i'm wrong an assumption that i have is that when when we the the closer that we get to having our school sites at full capacity the the more we're able to offer by way of program that's that's an assumption that i'm that i'm making uh that is very very close so the more students we have on a campus uh and that that rings true at elementary middle and high school uh the more robust programs we can offer so with

083that with that in in in line as i look at the these programs i'm i'm wondering which of which models allow us to get closer toward toward capacity even with recognizing that there will be continued declined enrollment as time goes on so even if we were to get close to the 100 percent mark that's going to drop down it it will decrea it will likely i should say it will likely decrease over time with that being said the challenge with model 3 as it's presented to us is the the 54 capacity that that we have with uh if as an example that's here if we were to have seven and eight being at one of the middle school campuses or remember rodriguez pena one of the things that you suggested if within the your the

084example you gave was having multiple k through eight was is that correct two two yes so this model as it was presented to us has one k through eight and a and with one k through eight it puts it puts middle school at 54.14 capacity so if we were to add a second k8 it would drop that the that capacity down even further which would limit the the programs that that we would be able to offer to our students so that's so again i look at how do we how do we maximize that and that's why i see challenges with model three as it's been presented to us but if we were to bring you know entertain the idea of bringing sixth grade back onto middle school campuses and taking middle school i know that

085we just we moved there but we made decisions with the information that we had at the time and we've since then gathered tons of additional information so if we were to move sixth grade onto a middle school campus then it brings it as we're looking at some of those other models it brings it up much higher to capacity not even full but but it would bring it much higher to capacity if we were to look at having that at one of the high school campuses so again my my operating assumption is if we can get that number higher the capacity number higher that is how we get to maximizing that's how we get to robust programs the more schools that we have this is where we're at the more schools we have with lower capacity

086that means we don't have there you know there might be seven kids at this school three kids at that school four kids at that school for a particular class but because there's not enough for that that class doesn't exist and now we don't have that option available if we put all those those students in on on one campus now we can have that class because there's there's there are enough so again i'm i continue to look at how can we maximize capacity so and i'll just jump in because i think adrian i already heard you say what you want what you preferred which was one comprehensive high school nine through 12 and then one middle school stick through eight and i'll just say that's that's that's where i landed too so i'm on the same

087page as here sorry did you say one comprehensive one yeah one comprehensive nine through twelve and then one middle school six through eight which is what adrian said a little while ago right but i but i i do think that options wise it does it may i'm within that model uh it may be wise to have a a having 1k8 option within the district to create an option might might also be a good idea and i'm not talking about i'm not even thinking about elementaries right now i'm just i'm i'm gonna um just uh one of the one of the reasons um i i i actually had three right um i was thinking you know we have um ellington right now that has paperweight but looking at being able they're so close together right being

088able to to bring that k through eight to valley dell and we have the k through eight on the south side right we always talk we always talk about well the north side hazard or the south side um one of the things that i would like to see is is k through eight on the north side for those parents that aren't not able to go to valley though right um and ha having to do if if that's something that um right that that we can do um but he'll art so we're looking at model 3 right now we went back right so um [Music] what do you guys think about an arts academy um so i i'm just really interested in hearing from all of you i think adrian and i have been really clear

089about where we've landed in terms of our what are our preferences i'd i'd like to hear from the rest of the other three of you where you are and if the answer is i don't know yet that's fine too but i just really would like to i don't know yet all right well i already told you what what my model was um what i planned but i think that um i also agree on the you know where it says new high school it's not going to be a new high school people are getting the wrong impression on here it says new heights so i think we need to change that first of all but again i would like to see the nine to 12 in one high school fix them to nate i agree with

090that and one high school also on one high school campus i think um where i have strong conviction around is on a couple of points another couple points i'm still processing um i'm in at this point in time i'm in favor of one comprehensive 912 and a six through eight um i feel strongly about though my other strong feelings are more around programming and looking at pipeline from preschool you know the entry point um board members paid in and board member when we went to west covina right they have west covina high school as their comprehensive high school and then the two edgewood schools um the middle you know technically a middle school and a high school but it functions and operates more like a unified 6 through 12 school i remember the head of

091school dr maddox saying very specifically we looked at creating this this this group of schools this this pair of schools 10 years ago as an ib program and that's when their ib program started at the secondary level and they dr maddox specifically said we needed to look at ways to attract students to the district and if i recall from the printout they have about 200 kids transferring into west covina unified for that full 200 kids out of 1400. um i'm i i am very interested in expanding our offerings around world language and i'm also looking at it from a sustainability perspective and also student choice right um i think the ability to offer world language beginning in the primary grades is critically important that's what the research says about neuroplasticity and the best time to

092learn your second and third language is you know in the womb and in preschool so regarding dual language looking at about adding mandarin um increasing our access for spanish and looking at the reality of teaching right now the teaching profession um getting the best teachers to staff our bilingual and dual immersion programs i'd like to put onto the table and again this is my my my bent around program is that we look at beefing up our ib pipeline and creating an ib primary years and middle years program at the if it's if that happens in a k6 and then or k5 and then a 6 8 um that's going to expand the great things that are going to happen at in the ib diploma years program i visited azusa high school and the classes were

093amazing there were only four or five kids in the class and i would love to see that be a class of 25 fit um so creating a very specialized program when i look at the ib programs in other districts west covina dorade students are transferring to those districts and then it feeds the pipeline we already have at azusa high school and they also had seventh and eighth graders right west covina yes ivy right yes that was the the middle school yeah so the mid that that whole campus we visited yeah um at the edgewood schools um it was it started with with sixth grade so um so my point around world language is i think that offering world length the ability to offer world language at the beginning in the elementary years is important for

094development it's important for 21st century learners and practically speaking it becomes increasingly hard to fill seat when students leave a dual immersion program and students have to then make other choices around when they go to high school staying in those courses or saying you know i really want to have a different high school experience and then we end up losing students out of our dual immersion program with an ib program students are exposed to two languages so in this case i'm thinking of spanish continuing spanish course and adding in mandarin there they would be able to continue into our existing diploma program at our high school and when a student moves here and they're interested in that program it's much easier for them to come in and join us in fourth grade or fifth grade

095or third grade whereas the dual immersion program you really can only come in at kinder in first grade so looking at the ability to attract students from out of district and also to to be able to continue to feel seat as we go forward just a uh clarifying question dr boat when when you with that the the model that you just suggested are used are you does does that place a does that mean that the pipeline into a uh ib go into the comprehensive middle school or are you thinking that there would be a separate middle school a separate smaller middle school for the purposes of ib i would love to explore the idea of having our dedicated 6 8 brib middle years program um one additional point is i would like to seriously consider

096keeping at least one k-8 program and that not being and it being an arts program um the other part component of the ib curriculum is that you know main main points are two world languages and art so it's not as if arts wouldn't be offered in ib but it would be a built-in recognized part of the curriculum and you know i have a soft spot for art i think having a dedicated k8 arts academy i'm not talking about campuses but i'm talking about the idea of that program is really critical and the ability and and we're seeing other districts have dedicated arts academies at k8 level and they're very attractive and families are going to either that district school or that charter school within the district because they believe in in the arts and they

097believe in what it what how it transforms and really enriches their student one more question for you dr bo would would you be able to share um would you be able to share your thoughts because i want to make sure that i hear you clearly in a concise and bulleted format of the models that that you're suggesting all right i'm gonna try to read my own bullet so nine through twelve comprehensive high school that would that would continue to offer that high school program would have an ib component but it wouldn't be the entire school would be a comprehensive high school with all the bells and whistles a six through eight middle school i'm seeing that on the other high school campus i would like at this point i would like to for us to

098think about that six through eight middle school being an ib middle school as our feeder and also as a way to really um have structured rigor in our curriculum sorry so that would be school-wide yes yes so yeah so that wouldn't be i don't envision that being a track but being six eight full wide um i would also like i'm really leaning toward keeping uh or maintaining at least one k-8 program and i'd like to see that be a dedicated arts program i think those are my four main points 912 and ib638 school 1k8 for the art if i can be so bold to introduce this really quickly um just as an observer without the programmatic just logistically um it sounds like board board members have stated on 9 912 a 6 8 with a

099k8 with one k8 is that correct or is that i didn't i didn't say that but yes okay i apologize for that but i agree with okay right i i was also looking at a a a 2k eight so that way for me at least one at least right um i i really like the idea of um you know one ka program being an arts program um i have a a clarifying question for you a board member beau so looking at from uh looking at the middle school from sixth to eighth one of the things that you said is to have ib um uh throughout the whole middle school so it would not be a program it would just be the curriculum for the entire sport is that correct yes so that the sixth rate

100middle school single middle school on one of the high school campuses would be an ib school um now when a student participates in ib at the different levels so in elementary it's called primary years middle school it's middle years and then um in high school it's the diploma program and the the cp program right there to track in high school or just one two right so there's two ib tracks at high school um i i'm a fan of creating a school-wide program and not a track within a school because i think it allows the faculty to have a more more robust resources everyone's trained in the program everyone's um and it also it's everyone together i mean that sounds sounds kind of funky everyone together but yeah it's everyone together everyone on that campus is

101an ib student every teacher is trained um it's what we it's what we do right it's like when you go to this azusa middle school it's what we do and if you'd like to continue that when you go to our comprehensive high school you can or if you want to do other things in high school you have a really solid middle school foundation and board member rodriguez pena i really agree with you that middle school i really believe is that formative time right um you know in terms of academic success social success um to the extent that we can ramp up the programming and the rigor and the experiences in middle school i think will only benefit students when they go to high school i'm hungry i'm wondering if i can ask a question of

102dana or art doodle because i know you've done a lot of research around this um and so i think that you're gonna agree with what sabrina said but can you just talk about when you think about the primary years in the middle school years are those generally school-wide initiatives or do you see people doing putting tracks into school right that's why i'm asking you though as people who've done the research as our school school-wide programs that is correct so that's the normal approach at the middle years it is and i've seen i've seen uh as well uh school-wide um and i've seen combinations uh like a k8 we have the pyp and the nyp on on one camp i have a question so um about the ib program you know uh bringing it down to

103the middle school and um thinking about um you know we're we're having the conversation about primary years um [Music] is that something does the board feel is that something that our community um would do you think that it would attract the individuals that don't have kids in this district at this precise time that they would want to come to asusa is that something that you guys feel that would i i think so we we need to give options but we also need to give programs that um again you know we're also in competition with those school districts you know you just said you know why they have it next door and we don't have it here we want to be able to have offer that so people can say well if they haven't existed we

104can go there we don't have to go next door i definitely i i know several families personally that have gone to different districts because of the ib elementary program and and because we have ib all right out of high school to me it just makes sense to build our own pipeline um when it comes around to me i have another question around preschool i had board member career but i request um from staff would you be able to create a report i i see this report that has on model 3 that presupposes six through eight on one up on on one of the high school campuses but this shows one k through excuse me one t k through eight could we could we run that with a potential of two k through eight because i'm

105interested to see what the capacity would be at the high schools if there were two k through eights versus one k three excuse me what the capacity would be for the middle school yeah on one of the high school campuses if there were two k three and you know what that's also good for for often their parents may they may not want to have their child that one at one school you know with the junior high level i guess you'd call them and they want them to continue in the k-8 model so it's also about options and that's one thing we did here in covina valley that they had so many options for parents you know they can go to any several schools that they have had different options and that's what we want to

106do here so i'm i'm gonna jump in so as we're as we're continuing our conversation on these models or should i say the majority of the board has i is leaning towards model 3. that is that correct i hear with some changes variations variation of modeling just model three so now now that we're here in model 3 you guys have feared that one of the things that and and i've heard from the majority of the board is that we would like to see sixth grade brought back to middle school is that correct i'm saying yeah the numbers the numbers yes okay and so what what i'm also hearing is that there would be a 9th through 12th so the idea of having a 7th or 9th you you guys would would not like to consider

107you guys want to continue with uh 9 through 12. yes i do and what i'm also hearing is that the possibilities of having two k through eight and one of the one of the k through eight being an arts program right we already have them but having a k through 8 moving that program to a k through 8. and having the other k through eight which it's which i'm going to bring up the question would it be bellydale or ellington i i'm not saying well i'm not even sure that i'm in favor of 2k8 so i'm wanting to collect them from personally so i'm wanting to collect information right and then and i'm what does that look like i'm also not at a point where where i i'm even looking i don't know that i'm

108necessarily looking at fools either i'm i'm thinking about a model i know close close behind that we would need to look at school sites but i'm still thinking about the model itself so when do we have the conversation about schools i mean i'm with i'm with board member looking at models and and then looking at the least of the the least amount of changes to achieve our desired effect so what i'm hearing from two board members is that and i'm just you know throwing this out here is that we still would like to have um what what does it look like to have the two through eight not that we're married to anything again but just the possibilities and this is why we're having this conversation right the possibilities what can it look like i'm

109sorry what was your question what was your question you wanted us to [Music] no no i said well we're looking at so the reason i'm asking is because we really need to have a conversation about if bellydale closes right we have a dual immersion there the spanish dual immersion where we've one thing to consider as well these families have have we we've moved them from mountain view now to valley dell but we haven't even discussed right i'm just i'm just throwing it out there what we've i'm just i'm just throwing out the possibilities right we're just having a conversation we moved him from mountain view to valley dale and now they're there with no immersion and so i mean let's think and and have a conversation about if we were to close valleydale and move

110them to ellington for that k through eight then we would be relocating them again and and so that's just a conversation to have that's it because i have been approached by parents and and you know they said you know we've been moved from mountain view now to valley dale right are we gonna be moved and so i'm not married again i'm not married to anything i'm just putting it out on the table that that's something that we should consider as well um i you know do we keep ellington do we keep bellydale right are we going to move dual immersion um these are real conversations that that we need to have publicly um so yes board members and so um i think adrian's point earlier i i i mean and i think having seen the

111impact of the what 17 meetings how many meetings you guys have 17 18 meetings yes the reorganization committee had i think um there's value in having a school agnostic conversation and instead of talking about like right now we're just talking about principles right i think there's value in that because then it it becomes less feeling like you're talking about my school so i i'm going to say i agree with adrian i think we it's i i like the way we're going right now in terms of talking about like principles or what sabrina is talking about i would say in terms of deciding what the schools are in my mind adrian's point earlier about like what does that look like in terms of we have 2k what does it look numbers look like matter to me

112but i think also what matters to me would end up being where does that which one is the high school which one is the middle school right because then it doesn't then then that will impact my thinking about where does that school do go does it go right next to the the middle school that are that's going to be comprehensive so so i think that's why it's kind of premature to talk about pacific schools and have that conversation in valley dale versus ellington and instead think about like overall what are those principles that we're going to be that we're going to be following yeah i i agree i i think i want to i want to do it one step at a time right now we're talking about the high schools and the programs and

113so forth and then we should move on to the next one because it does get pretty convoluted when you start talking about you know the elementaries and and right now we we're having a great conversation regarding the you know the one high school and the you know the um six seventh and eighth and the other and so again we haven't even said what's good like he said we haven't decided any anything like that or what curriculum looks like that's what my turn is um but you know i don't know all that before i really yeah that being said i think i think there is a point that we have to have a conversation about programs that i think we call people bringing up because i mean for example um you know whether whether it's ib

114or dual immersion i mean there are districts like i'll point to anaheim elementary school district who's made a commitment and has essentially dual immersion programs at every single one of their school sites right they've found a way and they have they have students yeah and they have multiple languages and they have they're all thriving programs so i think really we need to have conversations about what are our priorities we just we just agreed moving forward to really go to to go deep in with steel right we're making a commitment to do this approach at our elementary schools so we do have to have a conversation around what are the programs what is the vision and where do all these pieces fit in where still immersion fit in ib i think the early college program but

115we do have to have that conversation so there's an overall plan and that does tied to it eventually what schools are we talking about especially the element and my concern is though um we're supposed to vote november the two but i was gonna i think i'm ready to to vote on november the second at this moment because we're really discussing this you know how long it's taken us and i'm glad we had this special i mean so this is all we're discussing and i think we knew maybe i don't know if you have another social media discuss the other question and you know look at this deeply i think we need to do that yeah i wonder if it would be helpful so if i'm not mistaken from staff in a perfect world the vote

116would have already taken place or and or i'm getting i'm getting hard not um and or at least we we would vote with all of these pieces in place schools school sites um with an understanding of programs and everything this this next meeting you're saying no what what would be it what is what is your what would you be as the goal for the vote on next week i i think i i'm i'm not sure if it was board member cruz gonzalez um and i agree and appreciate um the the questions around uh program uh are we gonna go academies are we you know not gonna go academies are is every school going to be an academy you know concentration and so um when i think about implementation um i kind of seen it like

117buckets right so right now it seems like some buckets are starting to form right if i'm wrong i'm wrong but it seems like a 912 bucket is starting to form a 6a bucket is starting to form at least a k8 bucket is starting to form um because i think about to do this there's going to have to be some construction uh some you know redoing and that's that's a that's a process now that's a process that's going to require dsa that's going to require uh architectures planning if we're going to bring in modulars or you know whatever it is that we're going to do some of that can can um is going to necessitate that and then of course staffing right and we haven't talked about is this next year three years two years five

118years you know whatever that is um and so i think about like in my head like getting that ball rolling and then simultaneously okay this ball is in motion now we have time it's rolling now let's talk about um academies program and those kinds of things again we're open just again if we are going to make a decision on something that's going to affect um again some kind of you know we're going to bring in a wing of modulars or whatever just know that again that that adds a year and a half uh possibly to go time or start time i would like to go ahead and um one of the things that um that that i would like to request is i know that right now at the high school um board member beau

119shared and which i have also um seen is um rb pro ib program only having like five students what would the cost be right and having the ib be in all school for the middle schools just as what is the cost and for the high schools right now i know it's at like 300 000 for five students right but but we need the students in there we need i mean it's we need the bodies there right um what is the what is the possibility right so first is the cost for both the middle school and the high school because we're looking at just not being a program we're looking at it being all of the school is that is that correct is that something that right for the bigger picture right um yes just for

120clarification the suggestion has been who wide middle year programs not school-wide high school did i hear incorrect white middle school so it's this yes let's look at the cost uh what that would look like and and also to um if as we're looking at one high school and we're having this conversation um would it be if would it be feasible to have both the ecp program and ib program on the same campus i i think it is feasible i mean to give options and to you know provide interest um i think that's that's that's possible yes board member uh mr dick if if i could just bring back to the question i asked just for extreme clarity so if there was a because i'm i'm trying to sort through what i would be ready to

121vote for versus what i would not be reading about and i think i have a sense of that but but so i'm trying to get clarity from from you on if there was if there were a vote that took place next week what would you hope that what would you hope to have voted uh versus what can what can uh uh wait for for a further compensate uh for us probably the the biggest uh pressure points are what's happening at the secondary level um again i've heard seems like there's some buckets here we haven't said okay so where's the 912 and where's the six eight so so i think that would would help us if the vision of the board is that this happens sooner than later if there is no pressure of time or

122you know those kinds of considerations right then that that could be a different conversation um and then i think i think again once that gets in motion then everything else um still pressure right still we need we can't let go of the gas in terms of those decisions and those conversations but i think are not um again as we're thinking about preparing the facilities um are not uh as uh as critical in terms of you know quicker decisions on that board member career so to be super duper clear if we voted if there was a vote next week on the skeleton we're talking about as we kind of just laid out some thoughts on a skeleton if a vote took place there this next week that would be sufficient for what you are envisioning for

123process and if by skeleton you mean uh school sites no not not supposed to no not at the secondary level again that's a that's a great head start all right to start you know to start um planning and envisioning and vision casting and all that dreaming but in terms of again okay we have the marching orders all right let's start thinking about okay what facilities needs are we going to need um how does this pan out how you know those kinds of things we can't do until we know what campus or campus is and when you say secondary you're including uh what k-8 campuses um in this in the model that the board has been speaking about is the high school and the middle school so you're you're saying that direction vote that would give

124direction on high school and and junior high models but if but not necessarily where k-8 work that is correct board member gonzalez have a question and a comment um so you referred to potentially the need of maybe putting in portables or something when i look at these numbers at the secondary i mean i see they're pretty close to capacity so you would still anticipate maybe having to put in additional buildings at on the high schools so for instance we walk to campuses um and a lot of you have have used the word like vision new start we think that this is a possibility to re-look at some of the areas of the high schools where maybe this huge area takes up [Music] five classrooms and there's a way to redo that in the same exact

125space that might net us you know seven or eight classrooms um because we know that even though uh the capacity is there right now as we think about our programs and we think about our specialty programs uh having making sure that we have the adequate spaces uh enough spaces um we think that there's room there uh to provide uh to the to the comprehensive high school um to to assist in those kinds of areas so i and i believe if i'm not mistaken we put that into the cost analysis so i just i can't see how you have those conversations about visioning those pieces without thinking about the program so i don't i mean i don't see how so that's that's just so but my comment is really around um i i feel very strongly

126that i want to make sure we have a comprehensive package i think the time is now because we have one-time monies we will probably be getting additional one-time monies next year there's all these extra resources that are going to come in that are going to sort of free up some of the supplemental concentration dollars plus we're coming out of the pandemic right people are sick of the way we're educated let's do something let's figure out something that works better now for our kids so right now is the time to do it so i really want to make sure that back to gabrielle's point earlier that we're pushing ourselves and we're saying it may be it may be a lot but right now is the time to really rethink everything so that was my football board

127member rodriguez and my question is um so we're supposed to vote next week is it possible that we can vote in phases and not vote on the whole enchilada the whole thing you know what i mean board member can i interject real quick i think this is our decision for us to make i understand that but that's my question yeah the wishes of the board for sure just i'm just i'm just throwing it off because you know we have discussed a lot of high foods and we have not just programs we have not just actually you know um or the elementary we haven't even been there yet so we're supposed to make this took this they're just really important you know this is going to be for the kids future and for this community and

128i want to be sure that i do make the right decision but i don't want to make it on the whim and make it where if i feel pressured but never bow a couple one question first um mr ortega we um you put together a report for us that would show the cost of um adding preschool classrooms all elementary campuses so according to what board president i'm echoing your sentiment around distributing preschool and i think distributing preschool locations and not just centralizing it at longfellow um i think preschool is also a key entry point for families to come into the district and to stay in the district and to the extent that families you know for two years they're going they're driving to an elementary school campus they're going to see that as their home

129and it's going to be much easier and very natural for them to say yep we're enrolling in tk we're enrolling in kindergarten and they're going to see the teachers i know that you know currently our preschool and our tk programs have really strong articulation and i think that will only be enhanced by having it being site-based knowing that right what what does it look like to carve out preschool space on any and all of our elementary campuses um i'm in favor but i we need to see what those numbers look like and what that what that timeline would be especially if it requiring vsa approvals and and all of that that was my question um my comment around the urgency to make a decision and all of the things that we need to consider i

130think that i think we should stay on this train and really push ourselves to think boldly to ask questions to get as much data as possible i also feel from a community perspective that we should have as many special meetings as we need to before the end of this calendar year to get these decisions made both facilities wise and program-wise i'll say this talking to the public going into winter break and not and having only some answers around a campus but no not a definite answer around programming um that's not where we want families to be we want families to be very excited um and as assured as possible about okay these are the campuses and these are the amazing programs are going to be offered i can see where this is going that i

131really believe that's where we need to leave families before we end this calendar year so i'm i'm committed to coming to all of the special meetings and doing whatever it takes if it takes some phases to do the facilities piece and the program piece because that's what we can comprehend in three or four hours i'm fine with that um but i'm looking at this i don't see this going past december 31st i think for the benefit of the community board member cruz gonzalez so i i mean i agree with that i also just want to say i just want to be clear like i am not comfortable like we i would not have been comfortable talking about which school sites at the next meeting and actually voting on it right i think we have we

132our community deserves to have hear that conversation and have an opportunity to come in and give us their fee give us what their feelings are and not feel like oh they just decided just overnight they just picked it and without without any community input although i know there's been extensive input through the organization process i think it's not it's not fair to just vote to discuss and vote the same day but what i'm hearing for from the board and is that next week would be too soon to vote but we should vote before december 31st that way we know and we don't go through christmas break while everybody's um in christmas break and still wondering what's going to happen that's that's what i'm hearing i agree i agree with sabrina regarding the you know communication

133beforehand because the last time the decisions were made they felt that it was rushed they felt that it was last minute and i don't want to be in the in that position again i want to be here to give them enough time to decide what school they want to go to what programs are we going to have to offer to give them that the community that opportunity i would like to speak to the community right now and that is the models that i presented today do have goals i am not married to these schools these are not the schools that i just want to have but i do want to clarify that i did give them names i probably should have put but you know what i i i did um this is a conversation

134that we will need to have um at the same time you know what is pragmatic what what is gonna work um when it comes to the schools that we're actually going to um be able to you know close i mean that that's the that's the reality of it um we need to look at many different things so what i'm hearing is that um we're going to go ahead and take the agenda item off or next tuesday no we're not voting i'm not sure i'm hearing that i'm hearing that we're not going to vote next november on november 2nd i didn't hear that we're taking the i'm sorry let me the action item oh that's correct right right and the agenda the action item yep we're removing that i just want to because that's what i'm

135hearing yes okay and we i'm sorry oh i'm just trying to read the other side of the room is that where we all are but potentially uh so i think tonight we we've not though we've not taken action there have been a lot of act there's there's been a lot of action and conversation um without without formal act i mean as we're thinking through specific models um so yeah i i think i i would say if we're looking at it as in its entirety and if we're looking if voting means voting on on everything i'm not ready to vote on everything next there are some pieces if we were if we were looking at models skeletons of models and if we took a vote on that to um you know for lack of better words

136eliminate some options along the way i i would be ready to vote on that um i would not be ready to look at locations necessarily i might i think that that warrants a a another conversation maybe we schedule another special meeting to talk at i i see programs locations and also the what needs to happen at the locations to to make them to make the programs that we're wanting to have feasible at school sites as as additional conversations that need need to happen i see at least at least two kind of at length conversations um where we talk about programs and location and budget right programming budget three yes i agree with adrian regarding um i think we should do it in phases just like you know we couldn't vote on i don't know what

137part and have a further discussion on the programs and and so on you know let me just ask for clarify mr thera yeah and then and and again just for clarity right this is only in consideration uh and not really knowing of what the desire is in terms of implementation right and so um if if uh this so the first iteration of the board was november 2nd perfect do you guys obviously can can change that then the next iteration is by december then that doesn't that's not you know that's not a whole heck of a lot of difference so that's that's fine that's great i think it could all be voted on in december and that's i think but i think it would give us time to gather information that we are we all want

138to stay here that they want to see i would like to make a special request for us not to vote on december 14th as we are voting on something else i would like to have it separate talking about the redistricting so i i would like to go ahead and ask that from my board i agree that's fine a lot about the 14. but backwards mapping this does that mean a what exactly does that mean another board meeting on the board meeting so what i've heard is um three things the programs locations what happens at locations budget and budget but one thing i need clarification board member rodriguez pena as you said in phases so just so i so we get a clear understanding i have clarity phases do you mean like um starting just with

139k through eight and then middle school and then middle school and high school like start just talking about we're mainly discussing the middle schools and the high schools today okay right um so i i'm saying that i mean maybe i don't know tuesday's too soon vote on i don't know but you know how soon it is and then just look at the elementary booth you know we have several elementary schools and which ones do we want to make paid away you know what which ones which program do you want do we want to put in in so that's separate okay so just so i understand so when when we vote in december right um you want to go ahead and vote for everything k through k through five middle schools and high school at that

140point once we've we've we've received the information and we've had a conversation on programs location and budget am i hearing it correctly can i maybe share thinking um i know we we're identifying three big buckets locations programs and budget and i think we cannot actually separate them because we can't talk about locations if we don't know what's going to happen there and if we need a specialized space that requires a budget and so i don't think they can be i don't think they can be through a different vote i think the whole package needs to be voted on not on not on november 2nd and that's what i think we need to maybe map out some where we can add some meetings in november and as you're creating the agenda item you know give the

141focus program so that our public our community and we're prepared to dive into programs and then from that i think close budget because we're going to have different ideas after that program discussion around okay superintendent can you pull up the budget for that what does that look like and then we can say you know i think that's where we are okay if not if there is a sequence but not three separate act it would be one final action after discussion with our special meetings yeah yeah okay i just wanted clarification because you had said i wanted in phases so i said okay i just want to make sure and thank you for for sharing that um i just want to make sure that i'm hearing you guys correctly and that's why i'm asking for clarification

142so i i think it's important um that one of the things that i'm i'm hearing is where the majority has spoken and would like to dive deep into model three with the programs location and budget have several um meetings too and we have to go ahead and put these on the calendar um as soon as possible and be able to have uh our final meeting and only have this last final meeting on this vote um after december 14. so is that december 21 we have a meeting december 21 no we don't have that during winter break um the winter break until the is it winter break starts i believe the twenty third third oh okay twenty first mr jacob what's our schedule our current schedule of november meetings the second the second right now we

143have two board meetings in november the second and the 16th and the 16th our study session correct on the 16th we have um one currently we have one board agenda item which would be a public hearing on the cvra maps um that'll be technically meeting number four but meeting number two with actual maps i'm just saying yeah go ahead okay all right no i'm not saying and then right now the study session topic is uh communicating that's correct right yes on the 16th and then the study session um right now is slated for communications i i would i would i would not like to have it on the 16th i would like to keep our meeting um for for that alone it would be too much so [Music] if again if the if the board

144wish to again we can we have to do the cbra that's just one public hearing and that's just one item but if the board wanted to we could dedicate the study session to school reorganization would we have ample time though i yes the the cbra i'm assuming it's not going to take a long time that would be in lieu of communication correct correct 100. again that's the wishes of the board yes board member bo um i was thinking november 2nd so we have a regularly scheduled meeting we keep that school organization as an info item at a special meeting the week of november 8th and for rhythm and cadence consider that tuesday the 9th so one week out so the second is a regular meeting the 9th of the special meeting the 16th would be

145the regular meeting with the cvra and this and the study session which i've i would like to keep that as communications because that is a critical component and something that we've been talking about for months and where else can we plug in an off schedule meeting in december does this is there a meeting on the seventh or no meeting at all the fourth no meeting on the seventh we can go ahead and on the seventh go ahead and be able to go ahead and meet that day if everyone is open november 9th and december 7th yeah i'm not does that get us to these these me is that i'm not sure that's not that's not me i mean i don't want to have keep having me but we need to have we need to have

146time to talk about these things does that get us there i feel like we're short we have the second the ninth would be the additional and then november december 7th would be the next one now those are just those happen to be on tuesday and they're giving us a week to get more reports get more information what what kind of space is there on the second let's say let's say if we were gonna programs locations facilities if we were gonna say let's tackle programs on the next beat is there is there space to have that i mean we as we've talked for two hours on you know today do we have space in the agenda to talk about that or can we clear face to ensure that there's there's time to yes they can uh

147right now on the second um and these are of course just the potentials are you know just estimating um we have a public comment or a public hearing sorry on uh cbra this will be the first time that they're presented formally and publicly even though they're already public uh now uh then we have school reorganization and then the only other thing um that's um quote unquote like in a presentation mode is the board requested uh a presentation on um our results of our diagnostic assessments and so there's a presentation built in that day for that so in terms of presentation kind of open items those are the three so just to clarify the diagnostic assessments are from the ones administered this fall that's correct but we also have some space where we were going to

148talk about reconfiguration and we can go ahead and carve out and start the conversation then is that correct yes that's one of the three but cbra school reorganization uh diagnostic assessment presentation those are the three kind of open i mean we do have other action items for approval consideration but they're not quote unquote presentation so so november 2nd let's go ahead and um what i'm hearing is we can go ahead and get the conversation started um december 7th and december 14th now those dates again i'm sorry i'm not december 14th it was um december 7th 7th sorry and november 9th or not november november 9th number can we set goals for these conversations so if we say we're discussing programs at this if we say programs okay i would like to give the um room

149and flexibility for for cabinet to go ahead and um be able to look at all of that because there's stuff that they're gonna have to research um and bring forth to us so would it be okay to give them the flexibility and then but the problem with it with that is i think we need i i think that we as the board need to set some targets so if we were to for example i don't i think we need to have we need to have a programs conversation and and to have if we can have a program's conversation which is then going to influence i don't know if we do budget or location i'm i'm they're they're tied together but but if i would like to attach maybe we can ask the uh uh staff

150now what order do you you all see making the most sense but i would like us to define on these three dates what we're discussing or what our goals are at those with i think it's going to be a little i don't think it's going to be as discreet as that i i think the program conversation should lead and starting that i mean we've started a little bit here but having that be the main focus of our november 2nd agenda item it will bleed into budget it will bleed into locations um so i think any requests we have as board members around costs of programs timeline for implementation of programmers we should send those in if we haven't already so that we can have as much data and information at the ready when we come

151next week i would agree with board member beau i think it's important um yeah we do start with programs and then after that um if we have any questions it is imperative that as we're thinking these things and we're writing them down that we we go ahead and we email um our you know our superintendent um as soon as possible i know that just from tonight i have like 10 questions right about programs um i i and so it is important um [Music] that the next question that i have for the board is as we're looking you know november 2nd november 9th december 7th um and being able to come back one last time to have a a special meeting on december 21st um for us to be able to take the vote on that

152day how do you guys feel about it yes i i think there'll be enough time just to be clear school is and still still in session yes ma'am okay that way in case we need some more that gives us ample time in case we need to you know um [Music] if we have other questions and our cabinet needs to research then we will have the ample time and we can go ahead and reconvene december 21st so we can have additional conversations if the need if not then we can go ahead and present and take a vote i'm hearing yes i'm hearing yes so the consensus is then december 21st would be the new date for us to finalize and come back with asked a clear front question for 11 9 12 7 and 12 21

153um my understanding is that 11 9 and 12 7 our special board meetings just like they are today so these are just info uh items and then 12 21. i'm sorry can you repeat those dates again 11 9 and 12 7 would be special board meetings just like today uh info items on school reorganization 12 21 it would again be a special board meeting with one action item to take a final vote yes sir can i also ask a further clarifying question on these three meetings is a start time still 7 pm yes at this time i would like to go ahead and give the opportunity for anything else any questions anything that would our board members would like to share board member cruz gonzalez board member career member bo for member rodriguez pena yes

154i'd just like to thank again the uh organization committee in the cabinet and the board of education for all the great work that we're doing i mean i'm pretty excited you know this is going to be all new for all of us but you know it's something that that has to be done and and i'm glad that the the reorganization committee i mean they actually brought us the bones that we were able to look through and questions that we had so their 18 meetings were not gone to waste it was a really really great model three and four that they brought to us and also i know the cabinet and the sprint has been your staff you know spend many many hours and still gathering information that we want to help us make our decision

155you know smoothly yeah thank you thank you i have some final thoughts um i i think that today was very productive and i would like to thank um my colleagues our board members um that we were able to go ahead and bring forth um something to the table and now we're able to go ahead and you know collaboratively now we're moving on to um things that i feel as i was part of uh the first closing of the schools which was mountain view and gladstone street um i i i feel that we are diving deep and that we are not scared to ask these tough questions because again one of the things that i heard um from board member beau today was that you know that i appreciate was that being able to have a

156ib program at the middle school would be able to attract families that live here in azuza that are not here and that you know would make us more attractive and that that's basically my goal is for us to be an attractive school district where families want to bring their school bring their kids to school here so thank you for that board member rodriguez pena i would like to thank you for being able to um share your you know your your thoughts on how you you had two k through eights in mind um thinking um you know about the the the students and um and opposite ends of our school district um i would like to go ahead and thank um board member greer um for being able to to share um and that we we

157need to bring um our sixth grade back to middle school to be able to feel that that fascinating be able to sustain um the programs and be able to to have a a strong middle school and board member crew gonzalez i really appreciated that um one of the things that you you know you shared was that they're you know again the sixth grade we perhaps a lot of the people at home are probably you know saying like what's going on the board's going back and forth well it's not that we're going back and forth is that we're looking at every option that we can for our constituents for our families i mean for our families for our students for our and there is no linear way that we're going to be able to come together

158to be able just to make a decision i want to thank my board for being able to express that we need more time and that we need more information so and thank you cabinet for for taking it all and writing everything down and so and thank you to everyone watching at home that you guys are invested in everything that will be coming forth i ask you guys to please be patient with us as we move towards this reconfiguration that you may be able to hear us and see things and one of the things that i heard that i didn't mention i'm sorry uh boardman recruitment solace is to have that conversation about you know actually naming the schools and to give the opportunity for the public i really appreciate that um why not it's something

159that you know what we we haven't done before and and i know and i trust that we all that are sitting here in this diocese have the best interest for this school district and for our students and to make us a amazing asus unified school district and with that being said i will move on to if i may i apologize and i'm probably there's no no i don't know if this helps the board or does not help the board um does it help the board for us to try to synthesize what we heard today and actually bring forward like like what it would look like in a in a real model with real locations with real programs with real cost knowing that it's gonna not it's not going to be the ideal because again we're

160just going to try to synthesize it does that help or does that not help and and i also don't want to over promise because this is november 2nd um and it's not like you know but would that be helpful that we try to synthesize what we heard today and say this is what it might look like if we had one tka versus two tk's is what it might look like if this school was the art school of the school i i don't know if that's helpful or not helpful board member gonzales i mean i think i think seeing what it looks like with the high school and the middle school flip both of those scenarios that's helpful i'm not sure and i think i'm not sure whether whether it's helpful to put names on the

161k8 and the and the others i'm not sure that's helpful i don't know but i don't know how well can we have scenarios i think that would be that would be helpful having scenarios of the possibilities and not be married to them what it looks like with no name you know what is the key to it doesn't have to be a name of a certain school but just literally like you know i think for myself i'm a visual learning learner and i would love to see something like that that's why i also didn't mention i wanted to thank you for the opportunity that you gave us to be able to look at these seventy-two models you know we saw what it looked like and and and that was great i thank you for that board

162member so i'm i'm comfortable i think for the purposes for the for the purpose of moving the conversation forward i'm comfortable personally if as we have been looking at models that have full sites there because that talks about capacity and it helps us to visualize but to be super duper clear as i've looked at those models i have in no way concluded or assumed that the schools we see there are the other schools that we're landing on so again for the so for the purpose of creating a uh an actual scenario or three or four i would be comfortable if there were if there were school if there were names attached to it um but having names attached to it hasn't would not have a bearing on on what i would vote necessarily or i'm

163not able to say that i'd be ready to vote on that necessary uh one of the things that i'm hearing from board member rodriguez is that you're a visual and so with what adrian just shared is that it would be a visual to have the names in the different scenarios and you know flip-flopping kind of what board member crews and zelda said what would the high school look like here the middle school here and then flip what does that look like what is the capacity right and putting names to it so that way um again we have a clear understanding um so i i would like to see that as well and not be married to it i think having names on the on the model so i mr tega i do agree that having

164a document to react and respond to helps the conversation because we can say okay change this right um i do want to be mindful when any time we we put campuses right that triggers response it triggers passion it triggers criticism all of it and and as it should um i am more interested in grade spans and programs and names of school now of course when we talk about location and grade span how many students can fit on a campus i think that makes sense maybe if there's a way mr taker to give us this um one sheet kind of document and include the capacity but just not name the school so that we are taking that gut reaction of my school the name of my school is here that must mean it's going to stay

165or that must mean it's going to go and just look at capacity and then that could help us have more of a blind um or more neutral perspective when we look at programs and how many students would we need to run xyz program on any any number of campuses the only reason and and i i hear what you're saying but the only reason is because like for example today right i named valley dell right it could be ellington one of the things that i heard tonight in the diocese is that it would make a difference on [Music] what elementary would would we be putting the k through eight right so i i think for for those purposes it is important for us to know um right what middle school you know is it going to

166be gladstone high school is it going to be is a high what high school naming them would give us a clear understanding of are we going to keep valleydale a k through eight i'm sorry ellington at k through eight right and close valley dell or are we gonna do both right because of the fact that these decisions now we're putting some um some um visual to it right we're able to go ahead and make more clear concise decision um because of the fact that we're able to the proximity of these pools right how how close they are if we were to have for example a um which i heard one of the board members i can't remember which one of you guys said i mean it makes a difference um uh right we have a

167middle school so close are we still going to have that k through 8 there i mean those are the possibilities and so therefore um could it i think also would be helpful to know well the names now you know i'm thinking the other way around also because the um then you know what's right is in the north side is it in the style side then you also know what the um um the distance is the distance from i have to walk all the way across over there we need to know that's what the distance and also what side is it going to be on of the community the town of azusa we need to know that also and of course you can always change it or like you say i mean it's not a concrete

168we're not married to it like i said but we can change it i don't know maybe this don't be for whatever this whatever reason it is so i do think it's important that we have uh names board member career yeah and uh to to your point board member beau i think that had we if up to this point we had not had any schools listed on any of the models that we put forward that would probably be a scary thing to do to throw out there but this is one of one of the things that's helpful because we've had a because there's been a transparent open conversation along the way is that there have already been some potential school sites listed again and i've seen this every meeting i've seen school sites there and it

169has the school sites there while it's helpful to look at the information and i can visualize again i i have not felt uh um you know locked into what is here um uh board board president you put up models when you put your your it's from here from from what was here because i saw that you did not have powell on yours both most of it so so meaning that you're the model you put forward it also did not necessarily you didn't feel locked into what was there necessarily so i think that if if we continue along those lines and have school sites with this understanding that it it it is it is a it's a visual but we're not we're not tied to it i i think that that's okay at this juncture because

170because they've been there all along yeah i can get on board with that mr superintendent ortega do you have anything else cabinet last thought i want to make sure that um everyone here feels heard um tonight great meeting i think it was very productive still more comfortable moving forward awesome and and as we are finalizing our time here um i again great conversation um great input from everyone and for those of you guys at home thank you for being patient with us as we are learning and trying to make sure that again that we are accountable for the decisions that we are going to be making um at this time i would like to ask for a motion for five we have a motion first by board member rodriguez pena we have a second by

171board member rear and can we please ask our vote oh oh okay we'll go ahead and do a hand vote board member cruz gonzalez member guru yes i remember uh bo yes board member rodriguez pena yes i say yes that is 5-0 and again thank you guys all for watching tonight um i did not think we were going to take the two hours but we did and 72 hours thank you guys for watching tonight have a great night you