001um so [Music] cheese [Music] good evening team it's very nice to be with you again um i will go ahead and start our meeting and get it started right on time uh mr ortega uh will be joining us shortly but i want to make sure that we go ahead and start just general housekeeping reminders personas so those of you who would like to get this meeting in spanish we have our translation services by selecting the globe below i'm going to go ahead and start us off because we did not finish the presentation um on um staff um support staff um so i'm gonna go ahead and get us started and and present that so bear with me as i uh start presenting my presentation and because i am not an expert and and zoom um
002can you all see my presentation hr reorganization beautiful love the thumbs up um and so like i said this is a continuation from our first presentation and my first presentation on support staff i had most of it covered last week and i do have one slide that i want to get into with regard to classified and that's for the 712 model and then i'll get into certificated positions the just the caveat a lot of what i'm discussing involves positions which invariably involves people and we do work with our bargaining units for um to negotiate the impacts and effects for the decisions that we make and in some cases we still we negotiate the decision itself so none of this is going around that process these are just preliminary thoughts to provide the team as we
003get into the reorganization discussion more fully all right so i want to um share with you this is still staying unclassified uh this is a 7 12 classified position so in the 712 high school or secondary school um you we we would have um five secretaries um and there would be eight hour positions um and this very similar to what i had shared in my presentation last week that regardless of the size the number of secretaries in this case would stay at five number of health aides on is one eight health paid at this 7-12 school uh also one eight-hour library aid at the 7-12 school community liaison an eight-hour uh position i want to clarify with regards to the computer tech this is a tech three position which we already have in our um
004csca bargaining unit so the the title computer tech is a additional um tech three position and at a 7-12 school we would have one eight-hour computer tech dedicated to the 7-12 school plus a 0.5 fte or four hours uh so one for our ft uh employee so the way this would work conceptually is uh this would be a split position between the two 7 12 schools custodians it would be the floor would be six and then i want to make sure that i state that in this six you have different positions like you have a senior custodian uh but we're we're we're saying we're calling them all uh custodians here so six eight hour custodians and then as we get to this higher band of of enrollment uh we would increase by one and then
005school clerk would have four eight hour school clerks at the um at less than fifteen hundred and uh we would increase by one if we go above fifteen 1500 and then campus aids we have um 32 hours as our floor um the school site will decide how to spread out those um 32 hours between the the um the different positions as we go up in enrollment those 32 hours will grow to 40 hours so that's the last slide on classified support positions for this reorganization any questions the question from miss avison good evening everybody i was just wondering about asb clerks i did not see it specified in the um for model 3 with middle schools or specified here at the 712 so um what how were our asb clerks going to be handled just
006as a school clerk because i know they have a very different training yeah so we're not calling out um the asb clerk as a different position so what the high schools are currently allocated at is what they would have um and for the middle schools we didn't contemplate having an additional separate um asb clerk added okay um how will that um with the model 3 with the asb clerk and knowing that band and choir and the sports all the fundraisers and running student council and things like that you do need somebody to be prompt with getting the paperwork done so it has been thought on how that's going to work because i know the model that's this school year has not worked well as far as making sure things are done um on time um
007before the deadline there's a lot of deadlines so just kind of trying to figure out how that will work okay um this is the first time hearing about that particular concern so i'd have to interact with our our middle school administrators and um mr latasha's team to see where the gaps exist and see if we have to revisit that any further thank you for your input since you asked for an administrator at middle school input that would be me um yeah the the asb basically asb has come to a halt middle school we've had zero access to our funds and and basically not being able to operate that part of the budget or monies that were there this school year um that that's kind of where we're at right now and nor do we yet
008have a process in line to how do we access the money that used to be their other accounts um even running an asb et cetera so that that hasn't been there and and i'm i'm appreciative of ms anderson kind of mentioning that if we did go to one big middle school that might be something to reconsider but going back to the site as well in order to get the sports and everything else kind of taken care of so that would be something i would hope we would consider okay okay so moving on to our certificated support staff um in the elementary um we have um i listed the positions and although we are not going to start calling the principal um or we haven't defined it previously as a support staff i wanted to make
009sure we are highlighting them here so the the elementary sites will have the principal um a resource teacher and then um this is a new term that we're going to be using here an scl coach so scl stands for social emotional learning coach and so each site would have point five of an sel coach so and point five would be at one site and the other point five would be at another site um this uh position um is uh which are what you won't see um in this uh subsequent slides here or in the subsequent slides is a any point on social workers um but we would definitely want to make sure that we are highlighting that in my conversations with administrators as in preparation for this particular presentation the need for support um with
010our what students who may be exhibiting some some need to either reconnect or have additional supports at the site having a social emotional um learning coach and i could work with students that could work with the staff i could provide professional development that could um be a a bridge for on either additional services in the community um and within the school site on that that this could be a pretty beneficial position um i um i'm gonna see if uh dr mitchell wants to add anything to this or clarify anything i've already said regarding this position i do not have any other clarifications to that um and i think you explained it very well uh in terms of just social emotional learning and being able to provide support uh for students in that capacity there is
011a question from isabella yes um can you explain the reasoning behind not having a scaled [Music] model for these positions and the increase in positions based on student ada right now you know we have middle schools that have 250 kids with an administrator a half-time assistant principal a full-time counselor um or say you have ellington where you have 400 kids and you have a principal a half-time counselor i mean a half-time principal and counselor whereas you have hodge that has 600 kids and a principal and none of that extra assistance and so i was very pleased to see that the models for secondary were graduated i say graduated meaning more assistance based on number of students why was that not applied here so i i are you asking why we didn't have an assistant principal
012um added to this because i mean we the um we have a resource teacher and an scr coach at least half time at the site so i'm well but my question is let's just talk about like the principle this isn't even about assistant principle this is about you know having a counselor having an assistant principal you know right now you have a school and let's just go apples to apples elementary school you have a school like kaja has 600 kids and 28 teachers that means that that principle is dealing with more families more evaluations of teachers more classified personnel whereas a smaller school and i'm just going to use dalton because it's down the road or i'll use powell you know they have 250 kids and that principal has i think 12 or 13 teachers
013and so she has less than half of what the hajj principal has but gets the same assistance and so in your other examples you gave models models of of employees whereby you'd get the assistance from more classified employees as there were more students so i'm wondering why we didn't or why the voice was made not to also do that here for elementary because our elementaries are going to get significantly bigger and the administrators are going to need more help um okay thank you for the clarification man uh so the the from the different models as i was understanding them i they were going to have a similar um relatively similar band of students so um the you would not see um very many schools if any at all that were in the 200s or 400s
014and as opposed to being most of your schools being in the 600s and as we look at comparable districts for elementaries and additional administrative support um i am hard for us to find a elementary that has additional administrative support for school sizes of 600. once we start talking about school sizes our elementary school sizes of more than a thousand um which i we don't have very many here in the san giro valley um then then we could start um including that as a possibility we have an example here in our district ellington ellington has 400 students and they have a half-time assistant principal and a half-time counselor and those seventh and eighth grade kids you could say oh because they have middle school but those are self-contained classrooms you know they're not switching classes they're
015not doing master schedules they're not doing all those things and yet they're getting that assistance with 400 kids but but but the larger schools murray valley dale they're all in the mid to high 500s too i believe and and those administrators do not have the extra help also i'm going to turn to our middle schools our middle schools right now have 250 at two of the schools and 400 at slauson and again they have a halftime assistant principal and a full-time counselor to deal you know with far less students than these large elementaries so i i think that we need to reconsider what that means because these schools are going to be 600 or more and i quite frankly i'm not trying to be disrespectful but i don't care about the comparables around us i
016care about our kids and our administrators and i want them to have the best possible you know this is about servicing our families and our community and what's going to happen when a principal is so busy and so impacted that they can't meet the needs of all those kids anyway i'd like us to reconsider that and go to a graduated model you know based on the fact that we have schools in our district right now that have far less kids and have the assistance so okay we have ms wilson sorry i just i i just strongly agree with what meg said um at hodge we had a resource teacher that sort of acted in a vice principal capacity he was amazing i'd like to get him back but any um i think it was technically
017called a resource teacher anyone serving in that capacity i was very very nervous about retaining the fifth graders the the sixth graders and not having that those extra eyes on campus making sure that pbs is running well and interacting with the kids and i just feel like with 600 plus kids um even if it wasn't a full-time position um i mean that would be preferable full-time some sort of resource teacher some someone allocated towards those vice principal roles would be um very very beneficial especially with us the sixth graders on campus thank you miss wilson ms rojas would agree with mate that i would like to have us consider a a gradual increase of support um as she mentioned as our elementaries get bigger um i also believe that we need more support than just
018the resource teacher the research teacher already does a lot um so i think that is an important piece to consider so i agree with me thank you that's the last question mr jorge thank you miss tasha okay um i'm going to secondary um and here on the secondary uh slide you'll see um that you have some um enrollment bands so it's middle schools equal to or less than 800 and then middle schools greater than 800 high schools equal to and less than 1200 and then middle schools equal to um greater than 1200 on the um so this is for the model threes where you have a individual middle school and also a an individual or a individual high school so in all these models one principle and then for the middle school one assistant principal
019uh so i won one of each at the high school for the high school equal tour less than twelve hundred two assistant principals and then three assistant principals once you get above 1200 for counselors one middle school counselor for the school site at 800 or less that's the floor and then the council that would grow to two counselors once you get above 800. um for counselors at the high school um they you have like a working ratio of one counselor per 400 students um and uh that would continue um as the students increase so you would have um those those numbers increase of counselors um as i showed in my earlier slide you have one um scl coach as the floor um and and it stays at one you can normally start getting higher than
020800 or middle schools and then you start off with two and you stay at two with uh four at the high schools and then we have oops an instructional coach i'm here for um in the middle schools and then two instructional coaches at the high school any questions i do have a question about um and i i i think i just missed this the scl coach what training or certif certification do they have dana do you want to be doubt on that sure um so an seo coach somebody who has um you know uh knowledge and expertise in the area of social emotional learning um it could be somebody with a pps credential it could be somebody who has a social work background i mean i think there's a variety of things what we could
021look at again this is a position that would be supporting students specifically uh in terms of just you know social emotional um and being able to have support for students in that area so i think it could be a i mean it's a it could be a variety of different options for that position that's very true and and i think davidson has a follow-up of the other characteristic that would be looking for someone who could lead professional development uh for for the staff to really grow capacity in the area of social emotional learning okay and then um so my follow-up question is a sel coach could not be counted within the um the american school counselors association um reign or because they they could be doesn't mean they are so i wouldn't count them in
022the ratio but they um suggest 250 students per counselor because you know our we're not just doing the counselors are no longer it has been mentioned in the past just scheduling classes and helping with master schedule they are doing very legitimate pull-out groups small groups and individual counseling bullying abatement at middle school um so they're doing a lot of things so having one counselor for less than 800 students is am i just missing something or are we talking about the middle school that's just this whole idea of the the secondary so so less than 800 and one counselor at the middle school yes yeah i i'm really concerned just based on the national guidance for counseling that's you know one-third of what they suggest yes and when you look at national averages of the actual
023number of students per counselor on that number ranges from around 400 to as much as 900 so there's there's we're certainly below those 900 numbers per per counselor and one of the things that's different at the middle school and in high school is the work that counselors do um at the middle school is substantially different um in middle school counselor work day and the type of groups that they're running the interactions with students uh looks very different than at the high school when we're there maybe more scheduling involved uh a through g college counseling specific uh all very important work um but the work does look substantially different i would just say that we can do better for our students that these types of interventions with you know high school counselors are trained to do
024those types of interventions and that type of work yeah and now and i would say that we are doing better when you look at the national numbers yeah but we're not anywhere near what the national recommendation would be jorge we have mr gabriel and then we have two questions in the chat that i um actually yes two question to chat and i'll read after mr gabriel okay so looking at that ratio there um mr ankio one per four hundred so let's say we're at a high school of a thousand um or eleven hundred would we get half a counselor or we would get a full person with uh a thousand okay perfect and then the second short question um and the previous conversations we've had about support staff a social worker has been mentioned is
025that within this part of the discussion or a later part of the discussion um so you're asking um the social workers or where uh what i was talking about the uh when i mentioned earlier that we're not going to be calling out specifically like a social work position okay we're reimagining that based on the feedback that we heard from a variety of different folks and even in these meetings that got it um social worker um really may be too narrow and maybe maybe it is and so um while they when we may look at a social worker to be one of our scl coaches the the position could could include folks in our organization that already have that specialized training that has shown an interest and success working in this area perfect thank you meg
026before i before i go to you ms meg i'm just going to um have a clarifying question from um miss myra can we clarify what an instructional coach does sure i'd be happy to do that this is dana um so yeah so an instructional coach is um very similar to uh teachers on special assignment which we uh that's something that we currently have and so instructional coaches um provide professional learning to um instructional staff they support the professional learning communities um our teachers uh collaborate with one another in what we call plcs and so we ask the questions of one another what is it that we want students to know and be able to do how do we know uh that they are learning and to what extent and what do we do when uh
027they're not and what do we do when they are right to be able to accelerate learning so instructional coaches support teachers with lesson planning and implementation they also work with with teachers within the plc around student data and that's something that that we use to be able to monitor our and adjust our instructional practices and so when we have students who are not successful using data from formative assessment is really one of our our best ways to be able to do that and so that data will help us to be able to determine instructional steps and so those are the things that instructional coaches do to support ongoing instruction and learning thank you dr mitchell we'll have um miss meg first then yvette and then miss rojas i have i have two things um first
028i want to share that um we have heard from counselors um at the high schools very specifically say that with the caseload that they have now which is anywhere from 350 to 400 kids maybe a little less a little more depending on which school you're at that they are not nearly able to service the needs of those kids in what they were designed to do and that is to guide to instruct to coach the children to guide them in the best paths to listen to them when they have concerns if they can get to all of those kids on a regular basis and not just putting out fires they're lucky and it's because they have too many kids as it is now and so again i would like us to reconsider these ratios for counselors
029at our high schools because i think that we need more not less and again i'd like to point out here that there are two issues with this graduated schedule for secondary which is not being applied to elementary and that is you're getting one assistant principal if you have 780 kids but if you have 800 and you know um i'm sorry counselor if you have 780 kids you get one counselor but if you have 810 you get two and i think that that as margie said is is there's a flaw in the system here that there needs to be some other graduation where we say you know you have 400 kids you get one you have 800 kids you get two same thing when you're talking about you know high schools they get one for every
030400 kids i think that or portion thereof and again i'm going to go back to elementary because i i think that it's only fair that if you are combining elementary schools and they're getting up into the high 600s 700s they should have an assistant principal they should have a counselor you know not just an seo half-time seo coach when they have so many kids you know even even if we're looking at learning lost money if we're looking at some of these one-time funds to try and you know look at using them for these services in the next year or so in order to see how much better our schools run with them i think that it's worth the investment of taking those dollars to hire more people to serve our kids so there you go
031thank you man miss yvette miss rojas um well i just wanted to say first off i completely agree with miss savella and i um i definitely agree that all i keep hearing from staff especially right now is just that it's not enough it's not enough and like it was mentioned last week in the meeting that this is a great opportunity for us to fix what hasn't been working um and so we should definitely look at it in that manner but i my question was has there been any type of survey questionnaire any data pulled to see what are areas of weakness within not a specific school site but throughout the district or where there's trouble for a certain staff or certain schools for the number of students for a number of issues that are going
032on at a particular school for example with this particular program because that would really help in identifying you know maybe this school needs more assistance this school might need another counselor because yeah that graduation number like ms avella said i mean you could have 780 students and get one counselor but then you have 100 and you know 25 and then you get two is there any buffer is that literally like the number that we're going off of and um i guess i have two questions so is there any buffer and also has there been any type of survey um or would there be one in the future to revisit these staff numbers and hours for staff all right so with regards to a survey no not a specific survey has been conducted um i i
033will say that i had multiple conversations individually with principals and also with small groups of principles to really help formulate thinking around this and so um this was really an evolution of multiple conversations um now the numbers that you see here are are not set in stone i mean we i think i mentioned it when i had my opening remarks that a lot of this is um just the starting point uh for us to discuss and really have some um like uh something to to put our head around as far as what a support staff could look like um but your comments are all helpful i mean we we are looking at this from from a way of trying to um really gather information gather perspectives listen to feedback um and if we need to
034have further conversations with uh within cabinet then of course we will and then we will follow the same process and if we need to widen the net of information to really inform our discussions then we could do that as well miss rojas [Music] um yes thank you um this the counselor ratio seems a bit low to me for the number of students so my first question is how many counselors do we currently have at the high schools or the middle schools even well middle schools i believe just one but high schools how many counselors do they have so a student high school has three height and three counselors and um gladstone has three three and a half and the other half is at ellen okay that seems a little bit reasonable and i'm sure because
035of the counselor support and all the other support that the high schools have is probably why they're doing very well um so i would hate to see this very low number with um that great number of students my other question is um the instructional coach would that be in addition to our current ptosis or in place of or what are we thinking with that dad do you want to take that sure yeah this would be in addition to the staff that we currently have okay thank you mr tasha are we all set sir no more questions at this time thank you and then the last slide that i have for you all is what a site would look like with regards to the certificated position um follow the same same logic that i that i
036shared earlier so you would have um one principle uh in both the less than 15 um 100 and more than 1500 models three assistant principals um and then a seven eight counselor uh one and then once and then you go to two once we get higher numbers but keep in mind that we also have the high school counselors at the site so it wouldn't be one for 1500 students because we know that not all the students there would be seventh and eighth there would be a number of them that would be seven and eight and then the rest of them would be would be high school um but we followed the same same um thought pattern that i described in the previous slide same idea with regards to seo coaches and then same idea with
037regards to construction approaches and both models of the 712 schools would get two seo coaches and two instructional coaches no questions at this time sir well i want to thank you all for engaging me and sharing this conversation and asking such thoughtful questions appreciate it i'll turn it over thank you sir um thank you for the uh like corn has said thank you for the feedback we wrote down what i did for sure wrote down um some of the big topics here um so thank you for that um i think we owed you as well let me see if i know how to do this we owed you i think you have requested uh results from uh survey uh so i'm gonna pop those up right now before i pop them up uh please keep
038in mind that unlike everyone in this room um staff unless they're binging us and watching us and following us right they they don't have the insights they might not have had the insights that you had number one number two please keep in mind that this survey was prior to our conversations with programs budgets and support staff uh so just want to kind of lay a context in that please give me a thumbs up i cannot see you i mean i i cannot good thank you um so here again just this is a staff 202 people responded to the the survey so you'll see here that for model 3 with the exception of 3.1 which didn't seem to garner a lot of attention or a lot of likes uh the other three models are pretty evenly
039distributed um yes there's a difference between 27.7 and 32.2 but all in all it's a pretty even distribution amongst those three again the only thing that sticks out here to me in terms of data is that 3.1 was not extremely liked or wasn't a preferred model for staff going on to model four this is a little different this one also had 202 responses this one the data speaks that model 4.4 was by far um more favored than uh 4.5 in this case more than double um but again just wanted to share the the context with you that this was prior to these uh to these conversations so just want to put that put that out there um last last week we ended by saying that we probably would we probably would be reaching a a
040crossroads which we are at uh now so i will be turning to the team in a second here and the big question is now what we know that we have our our goal all along has been to land a recommendation or recommendations to the board of education in terms of school reorganization um that is that's what we're trying to do right we have said from the beginning that if 24 people came together and magically it was one recommendation great but if it was not that way and there was you know half of the people uh wanted to um recommend something and half of the team wanted to recon recommend something else that that was perfectly okay that's not a problem that's not an issue um that's just that's what we give to the board and
041we say hey hooray the team did a knockout job um and at the end of the day this is how the team landed and they're landing with two recommendations with half supporting this recommendation and have support in this recommendation not an issue not a problem uh whatsoever also clarifying a question in the chat yes um miss yvette is asking can we ask clarifying questions from last week's meeting regarding modernization adaptation of the schools yeah we can definitely get to that um let me kind of just build this context and then we can definitely go to go to that as well um so so so the question then again goes to where where are we as a team i'm gonna throw out what i mean by that that we need to grapple with or you need
042to grapple with uh in terms of uh next steps um so for example right now we have four model threes and two model twos is the next step that we're gonna dwindle it down to one model three and one model four that that that's that would be like something like a now what right this is our next step no we disagree that's not our next step our next step is look just take the six models let's do a force ranking again but now with all six on one rank and let's just say this is how we're going to force them and this is the data that's going to be and that's that's how this ends um another another option that has been thrown out in this particular room uh is we are ready to forget
043about the four and the two for right now let's just vote on model three or model four and that's our next step like let's eliminate one of the one of the models let's see where we're at and then okay cool now that now that we know it's this model let's worry about the ones that are left and that's that'll be our next step that's another option uh another option uh that we have heard um well right now uh right live in live in live motion uh there is still more conversation that you wanna have uh in terms of uh where where we are at questions clarified you know those kinds of things um another another uh option that we have heard um why not heard but we read [Music] is you want to wait till
044uh the community meeting um now again i i will just throw this out there as your facilitator if we were to end right now today and then go to the community meeting what we would be asking them is essentially the same thing we asked the staff but now they would have more information than the staff right because there's programs there's budget and there's support staff so that that is that is an option if if this team like the previous options for example dwindle it down to one model three one model four for example do all six and rank them for example we're just going to vote for model 4 and model 3 right now any of those any of those options that can also be the community meeting right and so we could influence what
045the community meeting will be we're still going to ask for input we're still going to ask for feedback but depending on what you decide is what we would be asking the community and re-asking the staff right so a lot of different ways that this can go but before we decide i want to lay out the landscape for you um so that this can can or or cannot i don't know influence or not influence you uh next week we are off uh there will be no school reorganization team uh next week is graduations and promotions um and so therefore uh there will be no school reorganization team um next week um we do have the capability of meeting on june 16th and we do have the capability of meeting on june 23rd um to be to
046be um wide open on the 16th and the 23rd which are possibilities 100 percent uh on the 16th and 23rd um i do know that there are folks who uh now go off contract uh there are folks who uh are on vacation and again that's just but again i put that on the on on the team not on me uh in terms of parents uh school is now officially out on the 16th and 23rd unless of course we're going to summer extravaganza but just again things to consider but besides the 16th and the 23rd then this this team would not be able to reconvene again until the 21st of july so can we squeeze in two more meetings this month yes we can uh that would be uh the 16th and 23rd uh but but
047but past that uh then we're looking at a break about a month and and not be able to come back until uh july 21 so just want to put that as a context as you start to think about and wrestle with um wrestle with the not what and i'm gonna look to you and i'm gonna turn it over to you to again start uh unmuting yourself and you know if you have a recommendation or an idea that you want to put out you're more than welcome um to maintain order we have ms meg first and miss jin and then miss ochoa i have a question um has there been a decision made about whether we're going to do i'm going to call it theme schools or you know focus schools versus doing all things at
048every school and the reason i say that is i think that that may very well influence how people make their choices knowing the difference between that especially since we've had extensive conversations about program so um similarly with like the high schools you know knowing that if it's one high school you know yes everything's going to be there or we're going to main you know pair down um if it's two high schools which one would be can you address that please yeah um no the answer the answer to your first question is no that hasn't been decided uh but this team again could be part of the recommendation package right we recommend model abc and we recommend that the schools be um like themed or magnets or academies or whatever we want to call it so
049that could be part of a recommendation and part of our you know voting process or consensus process or whatever 100 and the same thing for the high schools miss gin thank you um how much time okay so we know that the school board needs to make a decision about this next year because then the process starts and so when when is the very latest they can have this information this recommendation from us and also have community meetings and still have time to really deliberate and dig in and have a lot of meaningful conversations in order to make a good decision how much time does that take uh well we are 14 meters 14 meetings in uh in this team um but to answer your your question frankly right now there has not been a a
050due date uh put forth but what i could tell you um in terms of thinking about the district thinking about the kids thinking about the staff thinking about the parents and thinking about the community um in a in a district-focused mind uh the sooner that we can get something to the board of education so that the board of education can begin their process to decide uh the better it helps staff students um and the community uh for example um one of the ideas right now that are floating in the six surviving ideas of these models um is that center become an elementary school so if that decision were to be let's pretend that that's what that's what happened then that gives us the opportunity to actually start that process of building out though that that
051facility and getting it ready because that's a that's a ginormous process right that's not a hire a contractor and come in and do it you're talking about uh planning design permits department state architects dsa i mean it's it's a it's a very very very long process and so that would be helpful in terms of curriculum again super helpful right now we know that there are teachers at all at our elementary schools uh who have uh five sixes and that's a really really tough combo so again if something were to be decided sooner than later then we can we can do that now we don't have to wait until you know we start phasing out or phasing in uh in terms of the community a parent right now knows that they're going to be at a
052school that eventually is going to be shut down and they have a kindergartner going to school maybe they just want to move now they don't want to go to this school and then three years later have to go to another school so uh putting on a district lens when i think about students when i think about staff when i think about program when i think about facilities um even though there is not a deadline um again for those respects uh the sooner the better uh is definitely uh a good mindset uh to to have so my my view is that this committee is is really an advisory we're kind of a think tank we are representing um we're like the sponge and we're taking in all of this information and and using it to give
053our opinions or advice but we are not a decision-making body this the school board has to do that and i feel that it we could drag this on and get more information and dissect absolutely everything forever because there's always something new and at some point we're going to have to just let it go and let them do their work because i don't even know how they're going to do it in a year and so i i um i just wanted to kind of throw out that at some point we need to stop worrying about whether or not it spares one school or another and start looking at what's best for the district overall and make that recommendation to the board so they can use it and hear from other people in the community besides just
054this group and then let them take it and do their jobs mr choa miss ochoa we cannot hear you can hear you i think your sound isn't picking up you might want to check your mic why you work on that can i go to miss wilson perkins okay miss wilkins perkins um hi i wanted to say two things one something amber brought up earlier about combining 3.1 and 3.10 and leaving it up to the school board or the teachers or people who know the community where the tka will best serve azusa what location what um the facility wise and um when i saw it split with the teachers it doesn't really seem fair because we don't know all the schools we don't know where the tk8 should be we were just you know thinking um
055so i would um like to combine those if that's okay and then the other thing is um i really think people should know the dollar amount of rebranding it's a very big number and for me personally but i'm newer to azusa it wouldn't be worth the spending it but if the community wants it then we should do it but i would really i really want us to ask many many many many people with the dollar amount do you really want to do this those are my two cents missy vette said she has a suggestion our recommendation so um to go off of what miss uh peel stick was mentioning about um dissecting this over and over and over again because yes there is so much information to go over and there could be something new
056tomorrow or the day after but i really feel like um at this point with all the new information that we have i know um it's been mentioned over and over again that we can change the models but unfortunately with all this new information i don't know that the models that we've created are gonna be best suited for the community just because we have so much more information now with uh staffing budgets um information on location things like that i wish that we would have had well i came in the meetings late um because i came in i think like a few meetings in um but had we had this information before we i think we would have been able to um make better decisions as to what models to cut what schools to cut knowing
057the information that we have now that i kind of feel like we're stuck with this and um i mean we can go over and over and dissect these last models but unfortunately we received information later on in the process and i think we should go back and at least try to modify these models that we do have at least slightly to see if we can maybe decrease the cost on on some of the models maybe look at the tk8 or the middle school or the rebranding um like miss wilson perkins also said like maybe there's a way that we can adjust a couple of schools in a model to make it more um better for the community um just a couple of the schools so just the the cost um that is my suggestion that
058we at least go back and with all the new information that we have now try to at least tweak or adjust what's not working in these models so that we can eventually say okay we feel completely comfortable here you go board these are our recommendations because i don't know although they're good models the ones that we have now i think we can do better and just with the information that we've gotten in the last few days okay i'm gonna respond to that really quickly again that that is a definitely possibility uh but i just want to throw a word of caution as your facilitator um that we would have to spell how that goes so like does everybody then get to go back and recreate and now we're back to 11 ideas um because remember
059everyone in this room has a different lens and a different mindset right and that's that's the beautiful thing about it right the district had a mindset of capacity some people have a mindset of north-south how some people have a mindset of east-west some people have a mindset of border towns some people have a mindset right and so and so i i believe um that if we if we go to that which again it's your your this is your team and and you are more than welcome to do that um but just a word like how do we do that knowing that there are people in this room that authored these ideas right they they came up with these ideas um and so how do we respectfully do that number one and number two um again
060is it like now we're back to the drawing board and everybody gets to create uh new ideas based on the new information uh which again if this is what the team wants to do then then go for it i just want to point out just again some just some some as your facilitator uh trying to put that out there so that you understand uh that the possibilities that that go with with with that honoring and respecting people's ideas and then how do you how do you go about again recreating and reimagining which again is awesome and that's allowable and you can do that um so again just things to consider okay we have a comment for miss fish then we're going to miss jones and miss sanchez hi so i see we surveyed the teachers
061um or sorry the staff but we haven't surveyed the parents and i feel like we really need some parent input and unfortunately the parent meeting got cancelled um and you're not gonna you think you said thursday the 22nd of june is when the new one is scheduled for 24th 24th okay i know i wrote it down somewhere um but i feel like just waiting that long to get some parent information and having a survey from the parents doesn't help us either like i like seeing the teachers numbers but i really want to see what parents think as well um we're a small little there's 12 of us here and we're a small little portion of a whole entire school district so i know that you said that the parents will have more information but i
062really i don't know if it's possible to get them a survey sooner and ask ask them to look at the information that's on the school board on the website um so they have it or reach out maybe even reach out to like a lot of us parents are willing to talk to other parents if they have questions um i just don't want to move forward with making decisions with a little bit of input from them as well since it is fair that we got the information from the staff as well i want to see it from parents too before thank you yeah no worries again again just uh again context um the the 20 the 24th when we have that meeting we will be asking for input the the big question is what input right
063are we asking uh of the model of the four model threes which one do you like better of the two model fours which one do you like better which is what we essentially asked the staff right again if this team were to decide right now something different like we're going to dwindle it then then the input is different and you still get the input but now it's on a different question for example hey here's the model three here's the model four which one do you like better or here the you know i mean just depends on what the team wants i think i think there is a a genuine valid opportunity uh to meet with the community and meet with the parents and get input from them and they could definitely be the same question
064that we asked the staff but then that means that this is on pause then which again is is perfectly okay but but now we're on pause there's no need to meet on the 16th or the 23rd unless there's more information that's needed and then we reconvene in july okay we have miss jones and ms sanchez i agree with everybody there's just there's so much good information that i almost feel like we just need to rip this band-aid off there are rumors flying around the district of oh my school's closing or this is happening parents are getting false information and we have to remember we're just an advisory board and i know different school board members are watching and getting information um because ultimately they're the ones that are making this decision but ultimately what's best
065for our students i think about my students in this district and i think where can i see them going what programs can this district offer my students and the students it in in the surrounding area and and we need to make our district the best possible and so i think we just the sooner we make this decision and yes there's so much to hash out and yes this is expensive but we need to do what's best for all of our students so here's my two cents thank you miss patricia good evening i i agree with a lot of conversation that's going on today it's true ms jones says we need to do what's best for our students we need to in certain circumstances we need to stand alone instead of comparing ourselves to other districts
066because we always tell our students they need to strive and they need to go for that goal whatever it may be that makes them happy and not have to worry about the person to the left or the right of us i think as a district we we really should strive for ourselves so maybe we can be a role model to other districts and they can say hey you know what i like what is this is doing over there they're they're shining over there so and i think in every aspect and you know especially for our students and that we're giving them you know the support and everything that they need so i agree on that i think in in regards to what a vet said i understand where she's coming from it's it really is
067we're really far into the game i think um if it maybe had been constructed a different way where i've been in a lot of um in groups along with the administration where we create an umbrella we create ideas of what we want to see for whatever it is that we're working on that goal i remember we were part of a you know um what we want our district to strive a new uh slogan or a logo or whatever it is saying about our district it was it was constructed to where we brought creative ideas together and we and we then at that point when we agreed on those ideas we then implemented everything else into it and i think we kind of did this upside down we did as a little flip and so i
068think that's where some people are feeling like okay now we have this but now we've moved on so we can't really go back we gotta move forward so i get it and it is you know um it's very hard for me at least in my two cents it's kind of hard to um say you know what yes we've been working a long time let's rip the band-aid on let's hand it over and at the same time it's like oh but there's a couple of few things that we could so i agree with a lot of people and you know we're in a difficult situation but i honestly you know i think we kind of on this i have a comment um can i read it before you go mr anthony or do you want to
069go first okay um so miss edna we have a lot more information to work with we have not been given an opportunity to see where we stand between the two models why continue to work and we work on a model that we may no longer find feasible um and then we have miss jin who says i agree edna can we poll whether or not can we go with one model or not now mr anthony right thank you um first um i don't know i feel like i need to introduce myself because uh people that are watching on youtube sometimes don't know who everybody is and wondering who are all these little people in the squares uh and what do they do and what is their role here so i'm the principal at center school which
070is kind of in the middle of everything in terms of closing so i don't say have a state but you know you have to keep keep in mind but just to give you a little perspective on where i come from um i actually do live in the city i am here as have generations of my family uh you might see my background today that's riley school in azusa unified and i know you guys are thinking oh my god there's not a riley school well yes there used to be it was actually on fifth in pasadena where my uh my parents actually went to school so it's not there it's now now a senior living area and i guess uh my parents attended a citrus high school before my dad came over to azusa high and
071was as a junior my mom actually graduated from citrus high school and i worked at magnolia i worked at gladstone high coached at azusa high i worked at center uh decades so uh i i just bring this in because i'm very very vested in seeing how we progress and what's going on in in this creation i'm super excited by everybody's comments about really wanting to create the best school system here um i'm going to let you know also too that what i i've seen over the years many people kind of choosing other school districts and kind of giving me reasons about why they chose to go to another school district i'm not always sure if it was honest or not of the answers i got but i think we're really at a good time in
072azusa to really as everybody was saying create a school system that everybody else is talking about why i'm leaving and i want to tell you personally from someone who's been at many school sites and has many friends in this district and teachers and staff if we had to match up our teaching staff and our schools toe-to-toe with any other school system in this whole valley we would be on top the teachers and the staff work exceptionally hard to create a good system i have i am a thousand percent confident that we would end up on top i've got to see the classrooms and i've got to see the work parents you've got to meet your your your children's teachers they work exceptionally hard so to tell you the truth sometimes i got a little excited
073about some of the teachers that i know at one school working with some of the amazing teachers at another school i'm like wow that would be a pretty good team there it's kind of like you're making an all-star team you know we're starting to kind of put some pieces together so i guess as much as i don't want to as much as i don't want to close schools and i don't think anybody in this whole on our whole panel wants to close any schools nobody really wants to do that okay but we all have seen kind of the financial needs and kind of where we're at i mean i i started here when we were in that 13 14 000 student range and all three middle schools were almost at a thousand students each we've
074talked about it we understand it it's it's understood and we know we need to make some difficult recommendations we'll see from there but i'm super excited about creating a better school system i'm not worried about the next few years before i retire so i want to create something that's good for the next decades okay the next century um i want this to be good for the whole community and i think everybody's been talking about the same thing so i do take myself out and look what's going to be good for the rest of the community i'm here and i also will be talking to people as well um i know we're potentially closing anywhere from four to seven sites so one thing i also want to leave on the table in public right now is
075if we're closing four to seven sites and we're trying to create the best opportunities in the best school district that we have in the area uh one of the things that's been talked about a lot is if we have four to seven properties really utilizing one of those properties for what's been talked about a lot a stadium and a performing arts center we're going to have the property for it now and finding a way to utilize that i think that would be a big plus to the community if we know that some one of the sites that's being used is now going to be repurposed as another uh pinnacle within the community itself something else for us to be proud of uh in addition to the pool and i think you if the pool would
076either be on aquatic center or if it's redone at one of the schools however that looks but i think that would definitely be something that should be i haven't seen it anywhere here but i think that should be something that goes hand in hand with us moving forward you know that should be understood that if we are going to close this many sites we are definitely going to look at creating those spaces for everyone um really it's not an easy thing it really this isn't it this isn't any easy process and i've struggled quite often and maybe i've kept a little more quiet at times because i think a lot and it is hard to do and the change is difficult but i'm hopeful and i'm confident that we can do it azusa and azusa
077i mean everybody here all the parents the staff everybody working hard to get numbers and putting in the right place the one thing i'm confident in is i think everybody i i'm confident that everybody wants to create that good school system i want to be the school system that everybody runs to azusa this is our chance to create our school district that everybody says i'm taking my kid to another district because whatever your because is we need to create that here this is our time right now so some of it might be really difficult to do one of our favorite schools and maybe the school you attended might not be there anymore but it should be with the with the understanding that we're creating something better and for our kids and your grandkids and your
078great grandkids and they can talk about how my mom or dad or aunt or uncle tiatio nino used to go to this particular school and where it be just like i talked about my dad used to go to riley school okay don't talk about the time he hated over the fence because we had to hear that story too many times so we all talk about those things we all have those stories it's part of our history but it wouldn't be the first time and it wouldn't be the first time that we've had to do that here but i do think we can build a better part as is i hope that we all step back sometimes i don't know i'm feeling like everybody else too you almost want to step back for a second so
079we can go a little bit faster and i agree we've gotten a little bit of information here a little bit much i i calculated and if you see them on the side sometimes i'm actually doing the numbers to see kind of what they look at that's my thing i think we can do that so i'm going forward i hope we can do that i want to let everybody know and the panel know and i don't know if the people on the panel know this we've been doing this in an hour and a half increments but we usually do would have these big meetings would be like a full day like an eight to three with some lunch and so we would be getting six eight hours of time and i know patricia was talking about
080that so this would have been done a little bit more concise and we'd probably have a lot of chart paper up and we're gonna be going through some small groups etc all right so we've been we've been really doing a lot of good work in a short amount of time an hour and a half isn't a lot to do this this big work so i appreciate everybody's time and willingness to still be here um i will mention a few things as i broke down on points one um i think our cost in us spending money on some stuff is okay as long as we're not i call it not cheaping out i want to spend money on stuff that we really need let's go ahead and buy up okay all my nordstrom shoppers out there
081that love to walk through there and want to find something good because you want the good pair of shoes or the good outfit and you go to the store i think right now we need to go ahead and spoil ourselves azusa unified in the areas that maybe make the most impactor that we really need you know we might have to spend a little bit more money let's spend it in the right spot and let's make us really shine but let's make sure that we don't hold back in an area that we might need to do um i'm just trying to make and the last thing i'll leave you with is when we talked about asking the parents questions i wrote down a little note to myself maybe we asked the parents both questions ask them
082to rank the models and then i don't know if it would be the beginning and say would you prefer model 3 or model 4. why don't you put both of those on a questionnaire and we'd actually have both that set of information all the models ranked and if they actually prefer three or four um those are my thoughts i have other thoughts on the 712 and the big middle school big high school but i'll leave those for a little later but i just wanted to share i used all my time right now from the last 12 meetings all at one time yes sir come on mr anthony did you miss did you miss two meetings i think we've had 14 meetings i don't know where you were i thought i heard i'm sorry i thought
083i heard somebody say 12 and i wrote down 12 right away so uh i lied all right ladies and gentlemen um we also have two hands i don't know if you want to go with the two hands this up or just letting you know okay i'll get to those two hands in one second it is 6 43 um we want to honor your time you take time out of your busy schedule uh to be with us and we want to honor your time uh we do see in the chat that there is a little bit of a steam moving forward here with a suggestion i believe miss rogers was the originator of the suggestion if i'm mistaken please correct me but um to to take a poll in this team uh not the ideas but
084the models so keep the four model the four ideas of model three keep the two ideas of model four and when you compare these to these where would you land so you're not asking you're not you're not saying a specific idea you're just saying hey of the two models that are here this is the model that i would that i would uh jump to um and i we're seeing a lot of i agrees agrees we're seeing a lot of movement there so i want to throw out to the team is that something that we want to do and is that something that we want to do right now i guess the best way to do that is if you are in disagreement of that um go ahead and meet yourself and and say so or
085share that with us if we do that is it going to change what we present to the parents because i want the parents to be able to have everything and not us make it just another decision and then we go okay friends this is all you have because there are parents watching and they might say whoa whoa whoa so that's my input a thousand percent they can be asked uh of everything and then um kind of like what we've done in the past as we whittled down the models at the beginning of the process um now is like this is a huge uh poll we're about to take and um i'm strongly in favor of one over the other at this point and i don't know if i would be in support of saying to
086the border to the community that this is the model when there are there's a chunk of us that are probably feel like me and we're just expressing an opinion right now but i really feel the results of this should be interpreted as this was a poll but not a decision so that it's not taken as this is the recommendation from the panel which i don't think you're saying but that i just want that to be extremely clear right now yeah so just a couple of things remember there is zero problems going to the board of education and saying this team is split right just like we did the last time we said hey 95 percent agreed on this but there was one person who didn't agree we're going to do the same thing right 22
087people agreed that it should be model burger king but two people were adamant that it should have been in and out that and that's we're gonna we're gonna give them the entire story uh of how that of how that is and then number two i think this has been brought up several times by several of you and congratulations and thank you for continuing to remind us um we are not a decision-making body we're only recommending to the board and then the board has to do their next tackle right now they're gonna have to grapple with this and and try to understand and what did the staff say and what did this team say and what did the community say and what do i say um and what is staff saying right so there's a lot
088of input that they're going to have to get as well so so again um i i bring it up i haven't heard a great opposition yet that we should not do this right now does somebody want to unmute themselves and again opposed to uh taking a poll in terms of model three or model four yes i've been waiting my turn to speak um i would rather wait until the parent meeting because i would like to hear what the parents have to say um i would like the parents to receive a similar survey that our staff did um and after that meeting i would like to see a chart of the data to compare what we originally said on our models what the staff um said about those models and then what the parents said about
089those models i'm a visual person i like to see the data um or i wouldn't continue to uh reduce the models or make a decision so i really uh was looking forward to the meeting that we were going to have with their parents um so i would not feel comfortable doing that right now because i really would like to hear from the parents um and also i have a question uh mr ortega regarding um the staff survey uh please refresh my memory was their comments there that our staff made and will we get that information uh yeah they had they had the opportunity to make comments so will we see that information or those comments um if you wanted to it's it's overwhelming but if you want to read through that then you you can
090okay so we have one person opposed do we have any questions or anybody else want to unmute themselves i i i i wrote a question in the chat but i wasn't sure if we're still doing that oh wait go ahead go ahead patty go ahead oh no i just i thought i was clear earlier but i oppose i believe we should wait um and also see the data from the uh from staff it would be interesting to see what they have to say i have a question about that um literally staff were given um one day before we were in an email until we were told that we could have a meeting with you um to hear about um this potential survey and then the survey came and there was not a lot of information
091or discussion for staff other than here's some models pick one we got several phone calls from staff saying what does this mean and i really think that staff were not given enough information in ample time as evidenced by the fact that there were 200 responses and we have 1200 staff members i think that they needed more time and and i think that such a small percentage of staff and when i mean stuff i mean everybody i'm not just talking about teachers giving that input i'm going to say it devalues the validity i'm double double saying it right of those results having it be so limited i i wish that we could i'm going to say do it again so that more people would participate having that short time of that quick turnaround i know what
092the intent was it was to try and get the information to this committee and i i appreciate that but i just think that it's not as you know valid in response to um ms rojas's comments about not voting right now i have a question a clarifying question i'm hearing you say one thing and i'm hearing concerns from people over here and i'm hearing you say okay we're giving a lot of pieces to the board of information the board of education we're going to say what this committee recommends and we're going to disaggregate that data for you then we're going to give you what the parent town hall input was and we're going to disaggregate that data for you we're going to give you the survey from the staff and disaggregate that data for you so
093when when we say we want to hear from the parent town hall first and and letting that influence our decision is that what we're supposed to be doing i'm i am authentically questioning that or is it that we are supposed to be making a decision independent of that based on the information we've been given because i want to make sure like like mr contreras said that we're looking at our data you know and and making decisions for the betterment of our kids our community our district for the long haul you know versus my school my school my school that kind of so can you answer that question i mean you're did i i'm blathering no it's it's a good question so uh no the the team does not have to and also understand uh what
094you are asking right if if 95 of the community wants model 7.2 but that is the last on your list does that mean you are now voting for 7.2 um so these are questions again i'm just facilitating that's all i'm doing i'm just trying to give you different angles of what that is so the answer to your question is no um this team can say i just want to look at it i want to see what they say um you know and that's perfectly okay um but again right keep in mind what does that mean for you right what does that mean that you are now going to side with the staff in the community and whatever they they come up that's what that's what you're going to do or no you're just curious about
095it but you're still going to do or or you know do whatever it is that you want to do so i mean it's really up to up to you all but what i will say if we are waiting for the parents we are saying then that we are reconvening on july 21st right so there there is no other way around it um this gets pushed pushed forward um to that and again i just want to close out again we can ask whatever we want to ask re-ask the staff and and then ask the parents in the community as well it doesn't have to be the question at hand right now unless that's what the team wants we have two hands raised first karen rugley and then jen and then margie with the question in the
096chat thank you for this very robust conversation i'm wondering if this preliminary poll that we're talking about here at this point doesn't affect whether or not we're reducing to one model if we were to move forward with the preliminary pull could we use that as an informational tool in the same way that we're using potentially a parent survey or the teacher survey and now we're in essence taking a survey of ourselves and where we stand and using that as an informational gathering tool because i if if we're saying that there's that we're not reducing on this one poll right now i suppose i don't see the issue with trying to at least take a poll to see where we all stand okay um well i'm going to take a flyer on this one as your
097facilitator uh we have five minutes left and so um i don't know um it would be it would be a quick exit poll if that's what we wanted to do um and but that would be it right there's no discussion after that we can't really talk about it and then um we would we would reschedule i'm sorry we would schedule another school reorganization team meeting on the 16th and again that's two weeks to be thinking about you know where where you guys want to go from here latasha or anybody reading the chats i mean do we have i mean we did hear a couple of uh dissents but i do see a lot of people saying i agree i agree i agree and miss jen had her hand up but she took it down but
098everyone is saying they agree okay uh so seeing the overwhelming um to to take a poll i'm gonna reiterate what was just stated that this doesn't mean that there's a decision being rendered by this team that this is just a dipstick right this is just to check in and see see where we're at and maybe this affects our conversation in our next meeting on the 16th uh mislika do you have a poll ready that would that's asking do you prefer model 3 or model 4 i do it says exactly that okay give me just a second to drop the link in the chat all right here we go all right if you go to the chat click on the link and fill that out [Music] please uh we have about 10 responses so far i
099am not able to get it to open am i doing something wrong are you able to click the link from the chat it may ask if you want to leave zoom i am clicking but it's not taking me anywhere i don't know if anybody else is having that problem maybe minimize your screen or see if it's behind something else you can also just copy and paste the link just highlight the link and paste it into a new browser jen it does pop up to another pop-up window just in case it's behind something 18 responses in well now i can't even see you but there it is did you find it i just emailed it to you as well are you able to get it how many do you have lika i have 19 now [Music]
100okay okay we have 20 now okay that's the 20 i think there's 20 in this room yes let me share my screen okay can you see a little chart at the bottom uh yes it says model four sixty percent uh model three uh forty percent okay so all right well that's uh that's a poll gives you an idea where we are as a team um you will be getting a calendar invite just for precautionary measures i will i will put it on uh i will do two i'll do the 16th um and the 23rd just in case uh so there are there in your calendar uh thank you everyone super super great uh discussion today i really appreciate uh everything that you guys uh share today and really appreciate uh the diversity and voice that's
101what makes us uh stronger uh so thank you have a good evening and we will see each other if not before on the 16th thank you everyone thank you everybody