School Reorganization Team Meeting

001all right ladies and gentlemen welcome to our school reorganization team meeting it is 5 30 p.m so we are going to go ahead and start right on time um so nice to see you so nice to be with you again i want to thank you for a couple of things thank you for all of the input at our last meeting last week i had the pleasure of going back and re-listening to the meeting and seeing myself on camera which is uh odd and strange but nonetheless uh thank you for that i also want to thank you for uh participating in in the homework i know nobody told you that there would be homework when you signed up for this so i apologize in advance but thank you for uh for doing that um very much

002appreciate it ci alien con nosotros [Music] he [Music] thank you um so yeah so thank you for for doing that um today we're going to um kind of debrief a little bit about last week we're going to be brief about your survey we're going to ask some questions we're going to participate in live polls or so we think we are we're testing it out for the first time hopefully it works the way it's supposed to work and we can go from there all right so let's start off with what you already know because i had put it in my email number one and number two you were in this meeting with me so you were listening to the things that i was listening to and we were all listening to all right so let's start

003off with with some of the things that happened last week one of the things that happened last week is that no matter how we look at it and i'm gonna explain to you in a second what that means but no matter how we cut it slice it or dice it no matter which method we look at it model 3 was by far the model that was most favored by this group that does not mean that everyone in this group loved model number three as their number one but in general as a group by far not closely by far model 3 was the most favored model what we also know again right now we're talking entireties okay so we're not saying everybody in this room what we also know is that model 2 was the least

004favored model of this group okay as a whole once again that does not mean that everyone in this room did not like model 2. right now we're talking general generalizations so let let me talk to you about the three ways that we were looking at at this number one we were looking at how many times a particular model had a like statement whether it was like because or whether it was like but if we look at it that way same thing model 3 the most favored model 2 the least favorite we also looked at it by person right how many times not not how many times which model did each person say i like when we look at that same exact data results when we look at the survey that was sent out in the

005chat i'm going to put to you the results just so you can see them as i speak about them the survey uh does the same thing um it it the same result model 3 is the most favored model and model 2 is the least favored model but again before i speak about the numbers i want you to see them live in the chat i'm almost done here so remember this was on a scale of one to four so uh i just put that in the chat room so model 3 received an average score of 1.4 based on all of the survey data that we gathered from you all today i mean yesterday and today right so that's pretty close to a one right it's closer to one than it is closer to two right so

006you can see there that model three is the most favored and then if we look at the at the at the bottom of this of this list model 2 is a 3.55 almost a 4 right closer to 4 than it is to 3. again the least favorite excuse me the least favorite but one more time just for super duper clear uh uh transparency um mod just because model 3 got a 1.4 and it's the most favored that does not mean that everyone in this room right was rallying against number three now something interesting about number three nobody in this room that took the survey which by the way uh we had a we had a good uh turnout so again i do appreciate that uh we had uh close to 85 percent of you fill

007out the survey nobody that took the survey ranked model 3 as a 4. so nobody in this room ranked model 3 as a 4. so not only was it average wise the strongest nobody in the room gave it a four or another way of saying that model 3 was not the least favorite model of anyone in this in this room just based on based on that survey to add to that only one person ranked it a three everybody else ranked it either a number one their first choice or a number two their second choice no fours only one three all right so i'm gonna i'm just gonna summarize one more time just so we're all on the same page if we if we are counting how many times model 3 got a like but or

008a like because number one if we look at model 3 just by individuals who said i like it who gave a like because or a like but because at that point we weren't ranking remember we weren't saying what's your favorite model you could speak about all four but anytime a person mentioned it you it got one point and then it never got you one person could have said 20 things about model 3 but it only got one point which is different than counting all the likes in that way it was still number one and then of course you're looking at the survey data right here everybody ranked at a one or a two one person ranked at a three so we're gonna go into we're gonna try this please uh uh work with us here

009we are going to put a poll in the room right now and i want you to listen to this statement and i'm going to say this a lot of times tonight so bear with me and have patience with me in no way shape or form are we trying to force a consensus we have said from the beginning and we stick with it right now we want all voices to be heard the board of education the community deserves to understand the whole data the whole shebang so here is going to be the poll the question before you is this based on what we know about model 3 and we know that there are buts about it and we're going to get to that in a second okay we're going to talk about um removing uh there

010was a lot of ideas i like model 3 but without the tk8 i like the model 3 um but but would prefer sixth grade back at the elementaries right there was a lot of different ways to look at model number three and we and we're going to get to that we want to talk about that but right now just at a high level would it be fair to say the following thing to the board of education this is what what i want you to hear board of education the school reorganization team would like to recommend that model 3 be considered as one of the models moving forward but board of education we do want you to know in full transparency that of the that of the four models one person did rank it a3 but

011everybody else rented a number one or a number two and based on all the different ways of looking at it based on all the things that people said board of education we are recommending model three again i want to get to the nuances and we're going to get there i promise you this is going to be part two of today but right now just based on what we said that's going to be the question do you agree yes that is a that is a true statement and yes that is what the board should hear the school reorganization team is recommending that model 3 be one of the models uh that it considers uh but in full transparency there is one parent um who who designated it a three so you're going to vote yes i

012agree with that statement no i do not agree with that statement all right we're going to try this to see if this works and we're going to go from there so something should have popped up on your screen yes i agree with that statement no i do not agree with that statement miss lika do we get to see the results of that i think so can you see the screen right now no okay um right now we have 18 of 22 people who have voted we still have a couple people who need to all right vote thank you uh i'm wondering if those if those ones that are not voting is us oh that could be okay so of the 18 or 22 of what we don't get to see the data so so i

013don't know how to make this hang on let me see the where we are at right now is at 94 yes and a six percent uh no we have one more vote come in so now 18 people which is 95 say yes and one person which is five percent say no okay all right thank you for that um so we are going to invite uh because remember we we this is about lifting every voice so we're going to invite uh if they want to the one person that said no that is not that is not a i don't agree with that statement uh can that person unmute themselves and uh we're gonna give them uh some space there you go that that helps out thank you uh we're gonna give them some space uh to

014to to share uh to share their thoughts with us if they want to mr ortega i will i will speak to that right now i i just wasn't comfortable with just kind of the taking that right now i think at the end of the process i might feel a little bit better i just i wasn't really comfortable at the current time with that i have no problem moving forward with it however i'm just right now right now without discussing the nuances i had trouble with that understood that it was mentioned it just without the discussion of the nuances i was just not super comfortable with it but absolutely okay moving forward okay thank you for that um anthony i appreciate that all right so thank you thank you for that for right now we have

015anthony's voice and we're going to um keep that front and center but for right now we're saying as a school reorganization team school board um we we are recommending that we look at model three it was the model that was preferred the most but we did have um one person uh ranking a three everybody else rented a one or a two and and again we're gonna get to these butts and we're gonna talk about how we're gonna navigate uh those butts uh as we move forward with uh with the board of education all right we're gonna get ready for poll um number two but this time we're gonna go in the opposite direction all right so um again no matter which way we looked at it in all three ways model two was the least

016favored model model 2 um for three of the five groups didn't even mention it as a like not one like from three groups it is right now sitting at 3.55 which again is closer to a four which is in this case the lowest score than it is to to a three on top of that everybody gave model number two either a three or a four except two people that gave it a one okay so everybody gave it a three or four but two people gave it a one if we look at how many times it was mentioned it would be at the bottom if we look at how many times if i'm sorry if we look at how many people actually mentioned it it was at the bottom all right so the next pull before

017it before we flash it up it's still going to be a yes or no but it's going to be very very similar so board of education as a school reorganization team i forgot to say the one thing that i said i'm going to say a thousand times today remember this is not about forcing consensus and we want the board of education to hear everyone's voice so in that context board of education as a school reorganization team we do not recommend that we further look into model two but in full transparency we do want you to know that two members of the team did rank it as their favorite choice i'm gonna say one more time board of education as a school reorganization team we are not recommending that you continue to look at model 2.

018but in full transparency board of education we want you to know that two team members did rank it as their favorite all right so the question is yes i agree with that statement no i do not agree with that statement and that's the way it would be shared so one more time before lika puts up the poll yes i agree board of education this group does not recommend model 2 but in full transparency two people did rank it as their favorite you agree with that yes you don't agree with that no lika go ahead and uh put up the poll please we have 15 people who have voted so far okay we are at a 94 yes so far and remember there's five of us in here that are not voting no six of us

019in here that are not voting looks like the looks like everyone has voted so let's share these results all right so again based on the percentages from last time it looks as if there's one person who does not uh who said no and so again we're going to invite uh this one person if they want to to share why they voted uh no just unmute yourself and share that please if you want to again you don't have to okay all right congratulations that was the easy part now let's get into uh a little bit more nuance uh or the little bit the ones that are a little bit more a little bit more more complicated and that hovers around model [Music] model one and model four okay so let's go with model four first so

020model four as you saw in your chat or as you see in your chat scored an average of 2.15 if we were rounding that would be a two right it's closer to a two than it is to a three um there are for model 4 there is only one group only one that did not mention model 4 whatsoever all four other groups mentioned number four during their like because or like butt and no matter how we cut it or sliced it or diced it in every ranking it has shown up as the second most favored model of this group now again we are talking averages right we're not saying everybody i just in average no matter which way we looked at this it always ranked number two on the other side of that actually let

021me let me go back one more one more data point on model number four so we talked about it's a 2.15 super close to two we talked about there's only one group that didn't mention model number four everybody else mentioned number four we talked about no matter how we cut or slice it it was all it always came in second one more one more data point um because we we have been sharing this there are one two three four five five members of this group that ranked it either a three or a four okay five members of this group that ranked it either a three or a four on the other side of this is model one model one as you see in the chat got an average score of 2.9 again almost a three

022right closer to three than it is to two no matter how we cut cut it slice or dice it no matter which way we tried to look at it in every single way it ranked third in all of the ways that we that we looked at it in addition to that um one two three four people ranked at number two nobody gave model one a one okay so four people gave it a two nobody gave it a one again closer to two point nine i'm sorry closer to three in every single way it came in third and some of the ways actually um well again depending on what you think of numbers it's all context if you look at the rankings in the chat one would say that there is a a large separation between

023model four and model one because we're only talking about four points right so 0.8 is almost is almost the one right so here comes the tougher one remember we are not trying to force consensus we're trying to be transparent and we're trying to give the board of education the correct data and we want to make sure that we are describing this group correctly okay so here comes the next statement board of education as a school reorganization team we are recommending that you also look at model 4. unlike model 3 there were more members of this team that ranked it lower either a three or a four that was five so five members of the member of of the of the group did rank it either a three or a four but overwhelmingly in in in

024every way that we looked at it it ranked number two so therefore board of education we are recommending that in addition to model 3 you are also looking at model 4. reminder we're gonna get to the butts right event eventually after tonight right i'm going to explain to you how those butts are going to come into play because i know model 4 comes with butts the big butt of model 4 is instead of a 612 we want it to be a 712. so that is coming i promise you that but right now we're just thinking big we're gonna get granular and then and then i'll share with you next steps all right so before the the poll comes up here we go yes i agree with this statement board of education as a school reorganization

025team we are recommending that you also look at model 4 along with model 3 but in full transparency board of education we want you to know that there were a total of five members who ranked model four either a three or a four if you agree with that statement please say yes you do not agree with that statement please say no i think everyone's getting the hang of this our votes are coming in fast it's the third time third time's a charm all right everybody's ended here we go okay based on the numbers um again it looks like there is one person that uh voted no meaning that i don't i i do not agree with that statement um again you don't have to but we're gonna give some space if you want to to

026please share with the group why you disagree so just unmute yourself and please share with the group okay thank you all right next poll question we save the easy ones we we put the either ones first and saving the the hardest ones for last all right so the next question is now we're looking at model one all right once again 2.9 0.1 away from a three almost a three again nobody that took the survey nobody scored a one model one nobody scored it as their as their favorite model yes we had four people scored a two so we did have four people scored a two nobody scored a one once again in every single way that we looked at it model one consistently came in third and i would venture to say that also not

027only came in third but again there was a separation between third and second place all right so here goes the next comment that you are going to agree with or or um or or disagree with all right board of education the school reorganization team [Music] does not recommend that we look at model one any further in full transparency we do want you to know that four people of the of the four people from the team ranked it number two but as a team we are not recommending that you continue to look at model number one let's say one more time once again we're not trying to force consensus and we want to be super transparent when we go to the board of education and share and share accurately this group all right so i'm going

028to say one more time and then the poll is going to come up board of education we do not recommend that you look at model one any further as a team we recommend that we do not look at model one in full transparency board of education there were four members that ranked this model a number two everybody else ranked it a three or a four if you agree with that model you are going to select yes if you do not agree with that model i'm sorry with that phrase you are going to select no just a few more people there's one more okay voting has ended okay thank you uh there is uh let me address the the chat we apologize if you are watching this uh live on youtube i guess you're not you're

029not able to see uh the results um so i will tell you that the results of every single poll has been 95 yes five percent no which translates to one person in the group uh not agreeing with um with the phrase uh so we apologize that you cannot see the results but again all every single poll has been yes 5 no um so again going back just to allow space and allow voice um if you are the person that said that you do not agree with that phrase we're going to give you some space if you want to to speak to why you said no okay all right thank you everyone for for part one of of tonight um this is not easy um and so i just want to to show my immense gratitude

030for your honesty uh for your feedback uh for your courage um and being part of this team we really really really appreciate that okay now let's move to the butts um and share with you um [Music] how we propose uh to to do that number one and then number two uh how what what happens next right so i think those two things are are super super important that we are that we are sharing with you what we propose to do with the butts and what would be next all right so first let me share with you um the ideas suggestions that came out of last week's meeting that we were calling the butts right the like butts so i'm going to share with you with them with you in the order of most mentioned to

031least mentioned but nonetheless i want to put on record the ones that we heard okay number one the most mentioned and we're not polling right now so you don't have to stress about that um the first one is we like model 3 but only one high school the next most mentioned we like model 4 but it should be 7 12. the next most mentioned we like right now we're right now i'm only gonna say three and four because right now we've kind of i'm we've only we kind of uh said one and two is kind of being put to the side for a quick second so the next mention we like model three and four but we don't like that it's going to take five to six years to get this implemented we want this

032to be shorter a shorter implementation the next most mentioned we like models three and four but we do not want to implement next year we want to pause for a year we like the models we we want them to move forward but we want one year pause and then we can continue uh the next one would work for either one we like model three and four um but we think we sixth grade should stay at the elementary and the last one that we heard was we like model 3 but remove the tk8 or maybe a better word i i'm we're not 100 sure in other words would we like the model 3 but make the tk8 an elementary like the other schools but the the big idea was that there would not be a tk8

033in that in that particular model right so that so it's very different to go to the board of education and say as a school reorganization team we are recommending that that you look at model 3 and in full transparency there was one person who ranked at number three that's very different from board of education this group is recommending that we look at model three but only if it has one high school right those are two very different two very different statements right and unlike models one two three and four these are lesser in number in terms of you know how many times we spoke about it or how many times you know we we we discussed that all right i'm gonna pause on the butts for a quick second and i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm

034gonna loop back around to this but i wanna first share the big picture with you because i think that'll help with when we get back to the but conversation um okay so the idea here is that we we would go next to the board of education mr ortega may i jump in i mean we've had a um lilia who's had her hand up for a little while and before we get to the big picture maybe we want to address her question absolutely thank you for that lilia uh lilia you are on mute we cannot hear you she typed in the chat that she does not have any question oh okay thank you for that clarification thank you and thank you jorge for uh pointing that out okay so big picture we go to the board

035of education with this initial data sets right this initial data which is hovering right now around models three and four and that could have some but statements in there then we look for direction from the board of education the direction might be perfect let's investigate these four models with these butts and let's get to work then we staff would do that we would roll up our sleeves and we would get to work on these three on these two models and maybe it's the two models and maybe it's model three with two high schools model three with only one high school right we don't know how that shakes down but when i mean we get to work i mean the names of the schools um again if they if they were to agree that this should

036only be you know instead of six years only three years only four years whatever those things may be we start getting to work and now putting muscles and skin on these bones before we went to back to the board of education we would pit stop right here again so we would pit stop here and we would say all right school reorganization team uh you probably tuned into the board of education this was what we were doing we we are not coming back with models three and four and now they are more fully developed school names timelines better budget um numbers locations right all of that but now we don't have model one and two if that's what the board decides and we only have maybe either two or some iterations of these things but but

037we come back here as a pit stop for those detailed plans for further input and feedback once we get that input and feed input and feedback then we head out to the board of education again for the second time again with your voices again with your input again with your feedback so that's the idea the idea is that we our next pit stop would be the board we would get some clarity on in terms of what the next steps are we would get to work to start building these models out in detail as detailed as we can bring them here get more input get more feedback and then head out to the board of education back to the board of education and maybe that happens one more time maybe it happens two more times maybe

038it happens three more times and maybe along the way it's not just the school reorganization team and it's not just a board of education maybe there's other things built into this as well that currently are not built right and those things will evolve as we as we continue to go okay question so far about the big picture in the context not about the models not about the butts just about the big picture of how this works okay oh all right you got me at 13 seconds meg um you muted you muted yourself back am i unmuted now yes okay sorry i i just need to clarify you said putting aside the butts um i i i know that i particularly voted the way i voted because you said put aside the butts and i thought

039we were going to then discuss the butts before sending on those the models to the board and so we are we're going to do that now yep okay all right i just i i missed a slice no worries no worries no worries i'm glad you asked for clarification but i wanted you to understand the process because again i think it helps with the the conversation that we're going to have around the the ideas and the suggestions and those kinds of things yeah any other questions about just the big idea how this the ball is going to get bounced to the board they're going to give some direction and some input we're going to work really really hard to to make this clearer stronger more detailed and then we're going to bring it back here more

040input more feedback back to the board yeah all right i i do have a quick question absolutely what if what if our reorganization team decides like we're all in agreeance that we'll just give you know like the implementation um that we feel it's too long but the board feels that it's too short um what happens when like we're in disagreeance with the with the board of education thank you for that question um that's a very important question and i just want to remind us in this group right we we are not a decision-making body right we are here to to gather voices to gather input um and and we want to be super clear and super transparent when we get to the board of education but but again we we only recommend we only advise

041uh but we don't have a quote unquote decision making powers in that manner okay thank you for that question though okay so this is this is what um we were thinking would be the uh a good way to to handle uh these ideas right i we we mentioned eight of them eight of them to you today uh that we heard that day again some of them we heard only one time some of them we heard eight times but nonetheless it was something that was thrown out in the atmosphere around models three and four so the idea here is that and the reason i want to give you the context is because right now we we cannot right iron out the details right iron out the details of one middle school iron out the details of

042what's what would it look like if instead of six years we did it in three years right any of these ideas we cannot iron out those details right right now so the idea here is that we would take these eight ideas these eight butts if you will we would turn this into some kind of google form or some kind of google survey allow some open-ended input and that no matter what happened there that we would take that and attach it to our recommendation to the board of education so that it would look like this board of education we are rec up this group the school reorganization team is recommending that we look at model 3 in full transparency for model 3 we had one person that voted or ranked it as their third choice everybody

043else ranked it as number one or number two in full transparency because we have a new data point in full transparency when we asked the school reorganization team if they agreed with this recommendation or this statement 95 of the people uh said yes we did have one person who said no they did clarify that they needed a little bit more information but again in full transparency that that's where we're tapped but board of education we want you to know that model has some additional ideas so this is model 3 the way it's supposed to be or the way that it was presented to the group but in addition to that here are some things that this this team wanted us to consider they wanted us to consider um only one high school they wanted us

044to consider to consider a shorter implementation phase they wanted us to consider only one middle school they wanted us to consider sixth grade at the elementary we want they want us to consider not having a tk8 and this is how the team lands on each of these so based on your google forms your google surveys we would say of all these these ideas 95 agree that it should only be one high school or only 12 percent agree that it should only be one high school so we would take the buts that are associated with model 3 we would give you ample time to think about this to to make a decision on this and we would take all of these ideas attached to this model but with the data from you for consideration and again

045remember they could say okay because this was so high why don't we investigate model three with one high school and model three with two high schools and whatever that direction is then we get to work on those directions and we bring back here but that way everybody speaks into these ideas everybody's idea is validated even if it was only mentioned once or twice or three times or four times and you get to speak into these these buts that are attached only to model 3 then we would put model 3 aside we would bring up model 4 and again we would attach the butts that match up to model four which ones match up to model four we like model four but we want we want there to be consideration that would be a seven twelve

046instead we like model four but we want consideration that instead of five or six years that that be shortened to two or three years we like model four but we want consideration that it only be that it be paused for one year we like model four but keep well that's that's the same one keep sixth grade at the elementary would be the same as make it a seven twelve right so attach the ones that go to model four and again you then individually chime into these and then we just take that data to the board and we just say look at this this is how this group feels about about these exceptions or these ideas or these suggestions and then from these branches again we get some we get some clarity of where we want

047to go next we build those out with detail names of schools you know again being a being way more detailed than what you saw this first time around and we pit stop here before we get back to the board of education we think that that would be a the most equitable b the most transparent and see the most options um for us to to entertain and to think about um as we're trying to make decisions for for next steps um again just like this team right we have no idea what happens next right we we have no idea what happens next but at least we have given some some some clear messaging to the board of education about this particular group and where their stance are on the models and these ideas that are attached

048to the models yes meg am i unmuted yes you are different on zoom than on google meets right i know um i know i didn't say this um and i can't remember who did specifically but i remember four people five people um saying as one of their statements um i like this but i wish that we could wait and not do anything next year because of this year being the pandemic and stuff i didn't hear that as one of your um statements to apply to our decisions and i i just because i heard it from several people who said can we wait a year to start this versus starting your shirt are you going to include that um and and and i don't remember what the context was i just remember hearing that several times

049absolutely and if i have failed to communicate that i apologize but yes i i believe i believe i have said that multiple times tonight that one of the things attached to both models to model three and to model four and maybe make because i've been using this terminology i've been saying but we want to pause right that's that's the word that i've been using so my bet on that we want to pause this for at least one year and then we can move forward but yes thank you for uh for that okay so i'm gonna [Music] let it let this sit for a for a few seconds um and then we're gonna go back to our pole because now we're addicted to that poll um and we're going to and we're going to get some

050some feedback on this okay um i'm going to i'm going to tell you what we're going to pull about and i'm just going to give this room about 15 seconds of just silent time and then we'll get to it so the poll is going to be i agree that we should let the board know about all of our butts and share with them the data from this group about how they feel about all of those those buts that we've talked about that are associated with the group i am in agreement with that that is that is the next step and we agree with that that's what we're going to be polling you yes we agree with that no i do not agree with that i'm going to give about 15 second silence time all right

051so we're gonna get ready for a poll you're gonna vote yes i agree with that no i do not agree with that all right it is our first of the night 100 percent of members in this group for those of you on the youtube or zoom that cannot see 100 percent of the poll said yes we agree with that all right so let me summarize to this team uh where we are and where we are going you will be receiving from us uh an email with either a google form or some kind of survey that's going to give you two models model three and model four and for each one there's going to be these butts attached to this and then you're gonna be speaking into these butts likes dislikes agree disagree and you're gonna

052be speaking into these then we're gonna give you model four the ones that are attached to model four and you'll speak into these as well we will take all of that data to the board of education and we will say and share with them the first four statements that we that we talked about and we'll also talk about these buts or these ideas or these these suggestions and how this group landed on that we will get clarity on what our next steps are whatever that is we will roll up our sleeves we will get to work on all of the intimate and intricate details including names of schools including timelines including budget we will come back here we will stop here we will let you know by email uh with enough time we're gonna keep

053the wednesday uh 5 30 rhythm uh since it seems to work we'll make a pit stop here again we'll have feedback and input on that whatever comes out of that then we land back again to the board of education and we don't want to be close minded because there might be other things that pop in that we might think about to get even more input and more feedback than than we currently are so um that is where we are that is where we are going once again i am in in we are all in immense gratitude again this is not an easy topic um but you being here you being honest you speaking into the system you being engaged you being part of of the solution uh means a great deal to us and and

054we just we just appreciate uh what you bring to the table um and we have appreciated what you have done so far we will be in contact with you and we will see you um sooner than later have an amazing awesome question oh we have a question i'm so sorry i believe melissa wilson perkins was first i i just wanted to ask would so it will be the same group because um would you be calling in the um the alternates we had for parents our our parent group is no i think for this group it will be the same group when i think about like being not close-minded i'm talking about do we survey do we have town halls like is there are there other ways to to involve more people but not in this

055group per se okay and then next was amber fish so you guys are going to go to the board of education before we get to see the results of the butts questions will you email us what everybody says so we can see that i mean we won't be able to talk to you beforehand but at least so we have that information for sure thank you and then diana ross how do i get on diana rojas just clarification when we receive this survey or form um are the butts just about the models the way they've been presented or are we going to also talk about buds regarding support staff within those models or will that be another time um you know what we will put that butt as well okay thank you that was a that

056was that was thank you for for for reminding me about that one that was another but that was that was talked about okay thank you for the clarification yeah anthony does that also speak to the question that you posted or the concern you posted in the chat no i just posted it in the chat because it didn't seem to be a forum for this site but i did promise that i would share information tonight um by the people that i kind of talked to so i didn't want to make sure that that that got out in somewhere okay great and then i um just had a question is on the google form or survey however we do that will we have an option to as we've been thinking about these models to come up with

057more of our butts or more thoughts that we have not opposed to that but then when we get to the board of education there's no data on those right so it would be here's the data on the ones that we we talked about in this room and here's the data from the group but if somebody comes up with a with a different butt then it now is just a list of other things that came up but it wouldn't be with data behind those so again not opposed to it again whatsoever um just those would just be comments now at the at the board level with with no data backed um back to it okay uh was there anybody else lika that you saw i do oh hey hi so after we've had an opportunity to

058evaluate the butts will we then reconvene and maybe even re-rank the two models that we're proposing right now that is not part of that's not part of the plan um as um right now it's about as as a as a whole um again just saying these are the two models that that the this group is recommending be transparent about you know those that voted twos and threes and fours these are the two models that are not being recommended be transparent about the ones and the twos um so right now i did not hear what i heard is we're we're moving forward too we're not saying one so so no that is not part of what we were what we were uh considering at this point in time the next time we came back here is

059when we had put meat and potatoes on the plants uh and put a lot of details into the plans for us to speak into those uh now my concern is that maybe one of those butts might have ranked had one of those butts be included in one of these models one of these models may have been ranked higher than the other so i'm concerned that we're sending the models ranked to the board saying these are this was our number one this was our number two without ever considering those buts and then maybe having an opportunity to re-rank them had those butts been in place i hear you i hear you um so so maybe again that transparency to the board of education and our responsibility uh would be to to translate that and to be

060very careful and again maybe these are just spin-offs right so i'm just going to take the the most popular one right now and the most popular i don't mean popular like you know the cool kid i'm just talking about the most times it was mentioned and i think this is this is this would be an example of what i think you're hearing model 3 was the most the model that most people ranked the highest but you ranked it the highest not knowing if it was two high schools or one high school right but if but if after this this survey data the idea of one high school takes off and now 97 of the people like model three with with one high school then maybe that three percent would have been i would have ranked

061the number four if i knew that ahead of time um so again i think it'll be our due diligence to make sure that we're conveying [Music] that to the board of education and and even stepping in and recommending because xyz even though it has a lot maybe we want to consider again slicing 3a and 3b any other uh mr fernandez says henry's fernandez last year when we kind of started the process and then paused it there were some enrollment projections as a consequence of adopting certain models is that part of the investigation that the board would would do because we have our recommendations coming from this reorganization but the obviously going back to that primary but that i've heard tonight that one high school model from what i recall the data from last year that

062had quite a bit of projected student loss attached to that so um is that something that the board is going to consider or i know that's not our role maybe it's more of the board's role that could be a consideration um my my emphasis or my responsibility at that point in time is just to um to make sure that we are understanding that those were projections those were ideas and those were thoughts and our team is taking a different approach to this and and again we certainly we can try to guess or stipulate or you know try to assume best case scenarios worst case scenarios but at the end of the day those are only ideas and thoughts and guesses and so uh that would be my responsibility to make sure that that we that

063we if that if that were to come up because right now the question is right now we haven't been talking about that again we're getting we're rolling up our sleeves and we're talking about staffing we're talking about facilities we're talking about program we're talking about uh phase in we're talking like those things and we want to continue to concentrate uh on those things but absolutely if if those things are requested or i'm again we will add to we will add to that for sure meg you know i'm reading anthony's um comment in the chat it it makes me kind of think back to our last meeting when we were doing the butts and i know that the teacher group who represents the counselors had a couple of comments specifically related to our concerns of counselor

064to student ratio assistant principal to student ratio things like that and how the distribution was was done over the five-year period again i'm going to say that you know i voted and my team voted based on what we had heard from our teachers but at the same time we've expressed some really strong concerns about those buts i think i heard you say that you took the seven or eight most frequently mentioned but okay or explain it to me because i'm not hearing you say you took all the the butts and that we're going to rank all the butts so i guess i need to hear that because um i'm very concerned about sending these to the board without us making a few more tweaks that have to do with why we chose those two models

065yeah because i think that some of these things and specifically i'm thinking of the counselor ratio that's a huge deal for us and so yeah let me let me speak into that meg thank you thanks so to answer your question yes we are taking all the butts i made a mistake this today and i forgot to mention this one about the staffing this was the only other one there were no other butts that are not that are that we are leaving off of the table even the ones that only got one comment are in the ta are are gonna be are gonna be considered but i also wanna again just to throw out a little bit here uh to um and we obviously we have failed in this particular subject when when when these ratios

066or when we were talking about you know a half counselor or a half social worker a half ap that was a that was with the mindset of seven eight that wasn't with the mindset that a counselor an academic counselor would be for a kindergartner right so if you have a tk8 and that tk8 is at 400 kids we weren't thinking oh my gosh we only have half a counselor for 400 kids right we were thinking we have half a counselor at a school of 400 kids for the 7th and 8th graders so again we're going to put that in there it's a hundred percent to revisit to relook at and again we probably didn't uh communicate that as effectively as as we should have but it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't a 400 case load

067it was the the the the size of the school knowing that they weren't managing the school right they were only managing seventh and eighth graders i hear what you're saying but in reality the counselor that works there helps all of the kids it's not just seventh and eighth they they serve all the children and i see leslie nodding her head because i think your kids go there right and and so while it's nice that we say they're only doing the seventh and eighth grade they're not and furthermore if you are having k through eight with self-contained seventh and eighth grade classes that's very different than seventh and eighth where they are switching classes and things like that and and i'm not that's not to say that ellington shouldn't have a counselor but if anthony's school

068has 700 7th and 8th graders and ellington has 60 and anthony's school gets one counselor because they have 700 8th graders that's nodding that's that ratio is off and so i guess my point being that how do we adamantly express how important some of these things are to us versus just ranking how important is this to you on a scale of one to five because some of these things are i'm going to say systemic problems that we should address now while you're reconfiguring and remolding the district into the best possible scenario so a thousand percent and again just to pull back the curtains uh yeah 700 students at a seven eight middle school right is not the same ratio that we were thinking about at a 700 k-8 school because those those are different so

069as part of the rolling up our sleeves and adding the details and and doing all that remember we're going to pit stop here before we get to the board of education right so there's going to be another pit stop here before we get to those to those details uh and we get to the board of education so um but i appreciate again the the thoughts and the comments uh around this and we'll make sure again that this makes it as part of that i had a question um next time that we meet is it possible to have a um the reasoning behind having a half-time social worker versus having full-time counselor um because they do widely different jobs absolutely so i was just wondering about that anyone else before we finish our evening tonight all

070right well once again thank you so much you will be hearing from us soon and we will be seeing each other uh in the in the distant future thank you again have a wonderful evening everyone congratulations and thank you for what you've done thank you everybody