0016 o'clock p.m. and the board is reconvening from closed session. There is nothing to report out of closed session. Thank you. We now move on to part four, approval of the agenda. Trustees, are there any questions about the agenda? I have one. Okay, I have one. Um staff, um are there are there any recent changes or updates that we need to be aware of? >> Thanks. I'm sorry. We're gonna start over again. [laughter] Pages were flipped backwards. Okay. Thought something was odd. Okay. Welcome members of the public, board members, and staff. Thank you for attending. As noted in board bylaw 9324, this meeting is being video recorded and broadcast via a link on our website. The recording and broadcast may capture images and sounds of those attending the meeting. I like to remind I like
002to remind audience members and speakers that it is not unusual for students and young children to be in attendance at our meetings or to watch the recorded broadcast. I invite you to model civility and decorum as we go about the business of the board this evening. While I cannot prohibit anyone from using unprofessional language, please think about the students and adults who are watching our proceedings. We invite you to show support for a speaker by waving your fingers rather than clapping or cheering. We'll begin tonight's meeting with our student board representative, Jessica Ramirez, leading us in the pledge of allegiance. and Trustee Emmery will read from the district v, excuse me, district vision and Miss Garcia Garcia will take role. Since we are in um high school selection season, I will pick. Our graduates are
003prepared for success. They confidently move to life beyond high school knowing that they have acquired the requisite skills and knowledge. They have a passion for learning and personal growth. They can thrive in high-tech environments. They are compassionate. Thank you, Trusty Emmery. Okay, thank you. We now move on to part four of >> Take ro Okay, we will now take role. Um, student board representative Ramirez >> present. >> Trusty Rawlings >> here. >> Trusty Verbath here. Trusty COC >> here. >> Trusty Emory here. Trusty Ward >> here. Okay, we now move on to part four, approval of the agenda. Trustees, are there any questions about the agenda? I do have one. Um staff, are there any changes or updates that we need to be aware of? >> Yes, over the weekend, uh as soon as we
004almost as soon as we published our agenda, um CSBA came out with another update to response to immigration enforcement. So, we're going to pull that from the agenda. We want to make sure our trustees have time to review the update as well as our staff and we'll bring it forward next month. 15.5. Okay. May I have a motion to approve agenda item 4.1 approval andor reorganization of the January 21st, 2026 meeting agenda with the removal of agenda item 13.5. So moved. Second. >> Trusty Rawlings made um the amended motion and Trusty Emer. >> Point of order. She didn't make the amended motion. >> Oh, >> no. I I made a motion. I didn't make an amendment. >> I'm sorry. Trustee Rawlings made the motion to approve the agenda with minus the item um 13.5. Trustee
005Emmery seconded the motion. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Point of order. >> Is there discussion? >> Yes. Discussion. Um I just wanted to say that um uh when I was going through the agenda I had started asking questions about um 13.5 and there were some uh things that I was hoping to maybe update and then um there was um uh when that came in from CSBA uh the superintendent and I um as we discussed it we thought that would probably be the best thing to do and then just bring it back um with all with everything there so then we have a complete picture of the agenda. So, I just wanted to kind of help the board know kind of what was happening with that. So, thank you. Any other discussion? >>
006Okay, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trustee Rawlings, >> yes. >> Trusty Burbath, >> yes. >> Trusty Cos, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. Motion passes 5 to zero. Okay, thank you. We now move on to part five, recognition and performances. Item 5.1, staff recognition, Jesse Bolock. I will now hand it over to Dr. Brian Brockett. >> Thank you, President Ward. Mr. Bullock, I'd like to invite you to come up to the podium here. Uh, it is my pleasure to recognize Mr. Jesse Bullock, who was honored last month as the California League of Middle Schools teacher of the year. Mr. Mr. Bullock is an educator who wears many hats including ASB adviser, music director for band, choir, and orchestra and leader of various schoolwide initiatives. Mr. Bullock
007exemplifies dedication, passion, and talent, and his impact on Calaver Hills Middle School is deep. According to his principal, Miss Stapleton, Mr. Bullock is Mr. Bulock's commitment to music education is exceptional. His passion for the arts inspires his students and his enthusiasm and expertise ignite a love for music that resonates far beyond the classroom. In addition to his work with music education, Mr. Bulock demonstrates exceptional leadership and mentorship as the Cala Hills ASB director, fostering unity within the student body. He's cultivated a positive and inclusive school environment where students feel empowered to take initiative and create meaningful change. Mr. Bulock also organizes the school's monthly Coyote community events, lunchtime activities for students, and leads the school's no place for hate committee. Mr. Bulock's colleagues describe him as passionate, committed, innovative, adaptable, empathetic, patient, collaborative, fair, and
008consistent. And having worked directly with him in the past, I can vouch for all of that and say that I have seen firsthand the way his passion positively impacts students. Congratulations, Mr. Bulock on being named California League of Middle Schools teacher of the year and thank you for your many contributions to CUSD. [applause] >> Is there anyone with Mr. Bullet this evening? >> [laughter] >> Okay, thank you. We now move on to >> Okay, thank you. We now move on to item 5.2, proclamation and recognition of school board appreciation month. I will now hand it over to Dr. Andrea Norman. >> Thank you. Thank you, President Ward. January is school board recognition month and we are fortunate to live in a community with dedicated trustees who spend countless hours working on behalf of our students
009and staff. I will now read the following proclamation which recognizes them for their service to public education. Whereas an excellent public education system is vital to the quality of life for all California citizens and communities. And whereas board of education members are committed to children believe that all children can be successful learners and that the best education is tailored to the individual needs of the child. And whereas board of education members continue to advocate to best serve the children in our community every day. And whereas our public education system has experienced unprecedented challenges to instructional disruptions and learning loss. And whereas our local board of education continues to act to ensure children's academic, social, emotional, physical, and mental health needs are met so they can become their best selves. And whereas board of education members
010work closely with parents, school staff, educational professionals, and other community members to create the healthiest environments possible where all students can thrive. And whereas board of education members are responsible for building and maintaining the structure that provides a solid foundation for our school system. And whereas board of education members are strong advocates for public education and are responsible for communicating the needs of the school district to the public and the public's expectations to the district. And whereas the mission of public schools to meet the diverse educational needs of all children and to empower them to become competent, productive contributors to a democratic society and an everchanging world is more poignant than ever before. Now therefore, I, Superintendent Dr. Andrea Norman do hereby declare my appreciation to the members of the board of education and proclaim
011the month of January 2026 as school board recognition month in the Carlsbad Unified School District. I urge all community members to join me in recognizing the dedication and hard work of local schoolboard members and in working with them to create an education system that meets the needs of all of our children. Thank you. Okay, thank you. We now move on to part six, communications, part one, item 6.1, report by student representative to the board. I would like to introduce student Jessica Ramirez of Sage Creek High School, who will now provide a report to the board. Carl High School has just wrapped up finals and enjoyed an amazing 4-day weekend after lots of studying. Alongside the topic of finals, therapy dogs visited the school during lunch last week to help relieve the stress of finals. Basketball
012for the Lancers continues to thrive with an amazing turnout from the loud crowd, and with future halftime shows from Chick-fil-A. Coming up, Lancers are looking forward to a Beach City smoothie fundraiser on January 30th, a Best Buddies lunch event, and even a NCAA tournament at lunch. Last the last week of January for Carlsbad is a spirit week for their upcoming winter formal at SeaWorld on January 31st with the theme at at last I see the light to kick off the new semester. On the other hand, Sage Creek kicks off the new year with campus tours for incoming students. We also had the company of our shadow cats, a program that allows future students to experience the school with a current Sage Creek student. Last week, Cafe Bobcat took place, an event where students can perform
013their music, uh, dramas, comedy, and more. Uh, while also fundraising to support their program alongside Cafe Bobcat, the Career Pathways to Success webinar occurred, displaying the benefits of a career pathway. Sage's sports continue to thrive with many wins from all of our winter sports, especially from the boys soccer team and the new girls water polo team. This week, Bobcats get to participate in a spirit week for our hoopcoming events. Sage fam sage students and families can also attend our annual hoopcoming carnival, followed by our famous hoopcoming basketball game on January 23rd against Carlsbad High School. The following day, students also get to attend the exciting hoopcoming dance with the theme of Mama Mia. Carlsbad Village Academy and Carlsbad Seaside Academy are finishing off the new quarter with students completing finals and coursework at CVA. Six
014students are on the track to graduate with two students successfully recovering credits and returning back to their home high school. Uh several students from both high schools have comp have completed dual enrollment courses at Mira Costa College this semester with more enrolled for future terms. In the future academy English 4 class English students gave their final presentations that included reflections on personal growth and mock interviews helping prepare them for employment and post-secary plans. Both CVA and CSA are enrolling new students next week and are excited to welcome and support students. On February 5th, students and staff also get to participate in a basic first aid training led by the Carlsbad Fire Department, continuing the school's focus on life skills and student success. Thank you, guys. >> Thank you, Jessica. We now move on to item
0156.2 to by our CUC PTA president. Please come to the podium and you'll have five minutes to speak >> to the cabinet and also good evening to the board. Over the past few weeks, our PTAs and PTSAs across the district have been incredibly active in supporting students, staff, and families. There's a strong sense of energy, connection, and collaboration happening at our sites. And I wanted to share a few highlights by school. Buav Vista has their jogathon kicking off January 27th. Cala Hills Middle School, PTSA, recently funded and completed a refresh of the outdoor staff lounge, creating a welcoming space for staff to connect and enjoy the sunshine and fresh air. Aviara Oaks Elementary has their variety show on January 29th, compassion day on February 4th following kindness week, and their jogathon coming up February 26th.
016Kelly Elementary has their great kindness challenge week at the end of January, Readathon beginning February 9th. Magnolia has kindness week at the end of January, their family galaxy glow dance on February 6, and Ready Techchgo parent information night on February 20th funded by a national PTA grant. Sage Creek High School recently awarded $1,300 in student grants supporting six different studentled genius projects. Jefferson Elementary has compassion day this Friday, the great kindness challenge next week with spirit days, their jogathon on February 12th, and a very positive start with their new interim principal. Overall, it's been wonderful to see our PTA and PTSA leaders creating meaningful experiences that support student, staff, and strong school communities across the district. For those listening at home, um we have two dine outs tonight. Magnolia has a dine out fundraiser at
017Knockout till 8:00 PM and Jefferson has one at Islands till close. Thank you. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 6.3, report by the CEO of the Carlsbad Education Foundation. Please come to the podium. You'll have five minutes. >> Good evening. Hey, I'm Laura Pittz, CEO of Carlsbad Educational Foundation. Um, if you're not aware, we're having a gala. All of you in this room have probably received more than one email from me, and we hope all of you can come. Um, there was a reminder that went out today to let people know that pre-sale tickets are on sale until the end of the month. So, we hope that everyone can join us. Um, and as a reminder, we have had this event historically in May. It is in March this year, so it's
018two months earlier than we have done historically. Um, I have several updates for programs. This is one of the busiest times of year for the foundation. And um so I have taken a bunch of notes on programs I wanted to share with you. Um the first is our first Lego League program. That is our middle school program. That's our fourth through 8th grade program. Um last night all of our students were invited to Thermoffrofisher Scientific and our students were able to give their um innovation projects um to those judges. And it's a pretty neat experience for a little fourth, fifth, sixth grader. A lot of these students haven't given a formal presentation outside the safety of their own classroom. and sort of give it in front of a scientist that's you know a stranger to
019them I think is a really unique experience. Um and so then this weekend we're hosting our showcase that is an internal and a competition where the kids get to showcase the parents get to see all the robotic um uh designs and their runs and then they will learn who won the competition overall from thermopisher. So the culminating event will be at Valley um on Saturday. And then for our first tech challenge, which is the robotics program, that is our high school program. Um they've had several different um league meets and regional league meets. Um last weekend we hosted at Sage Creek. Um the regional league meet three. And out of 85 teams, two of our teams finished in the top 10. Crow Force finished third and Python finished sixth. So it's a really we've had
020a really good showing. Um these programs have been doing really well. And this weekend, no, sorry, not this weekend, February 7th and 8th, we once again will be hosting a um tournament championship, our league tournament championship at Sage Creek. Then looking at Science Olympiad, we have 150 students participating in Science Olympiad this year. Um we have two um competitions coming up. The middle school competition will be on February 7th. The high school competition will be um on February 28th. Um the majority of our students are from Sage Creek, but we do have students that are um all three middle schools and both high schools. And then we also have some big dates that families want to keep an eye out for. Um the first I'll start is for high school parents. Um our summer academy
021is going to be running again this year. I want to say a big thank you to the district. We already have our locations for academy and for adventure and we got them early this year. Much gratitude to you. Um we are going to be at Sage Creek for summer academy. We're going to be teaching Spanish 1, 2, and three as well as geometry and honors geometry. And then we will also run an online PE program like we did last year. Registration opens February 10th. On February 10th, we are also opening our senior scholarship window. And so that is for um outbound seniors that are going to be heading to um any type of educational institution after college or after high school. So they could be going to a tech school or a four-year school or
022a community college. And we'll be giving away um around $60,000 in scholarships ranging from $2,500 to $10,000. And so students are encouraged to apply and celebrate how a foundation funded program either impacted their lives or their academic journey. And then finally, heading back to our elementary age and and middle school age students, our summer adventure and enrichment program again, we already have our location. We're going to be back at Kelly Elementary again. Um that or um we will take place March 3rd for um enrollment is the word I'm looking for. So enrollment will open on March 3 and those classes, some of the enrichment programs do fill immediately and so it's really important that parents have that um on their their um calendar. So uh lots of big things coming on and I will make
023sure everything it is already on our website but we'll make sure all those dates are really clear to our parents so everybody knows what to expect. Great meeting. >> Okay, thank you. We now move on to item 6.4 report by the Luna President. Please come to the podium. You'll have five minutes to speak. >> Good evening, members of the board of trustees, uh, cabinet, and audience members. I'd like to take a moment to share feedback regarding a motivational training opportunity provided to classified staff on classified professional development day this past Friday, January 16th. On this day, classified employees had the op option to utilize vacation time or participate in a variety of professional development opportunities. One of these offerings was a 2-hour motivational presentation led by Bob Burke focused on empowering strong collaboration. The session
024addressed topics including conflict resolution, communication styles, and strategies for engaging effectively during stressful situations. The training incorporated partner team and group exercises that encourage collaboration and reflection. I want to sincerely thank our human resources department for thoroughly vetting and providing this speaker. I had the opportunity to speak with many classified members who attended the session and the feedback was overwhelmingly positive. Participants shared that the content was relevant to their roles, appropriate for classified staff, and meaningful to their work within the Carlsbad Unified School District. Our union was also involved in the vetting process and had the opportunity to provide input on topics we felt were important for the speaker to address. It was appreciated that these perspectives were considered and reflected in the presentation. Once again, thank you to human resources for offering this valuable
025professional development opportunity and for supporting our classified staff. Thank you. Okay, thank you. We now we now move on to item 6.5, report by the CUDA president. Please come to the podium. You have five minutes. Okay, not today. Thank you. We now move on to item 6.6, superintendent report. Thank you, President Ward. I had another great month visiting our school sites, observing our outstanding staff. I also had the privilege of delivering service pins and certificates of permanent status to teachers. It is so much fun to do that. They get so excited. Sometimes they stop class, they show us their certificate or they'll show us their diploma or I love it when they go get their bag of um different service pins. A lot of them collect them and they'll show them all of our pins.
026So, it's really exciting. We have so many great dedicated teachers here. Um I was also a speaker at the Carlsbad chapter of the PEO, which is the philanthropic education organization group. This group supports and gives educational scholarships to girls and women. So, that was exciting. And this weekend I plan to attend hoopcoming at Sage Creek to watch our two comprehensive high schools compete in basketball for both the girls and the boys game. So I will be there. I will also be here this weekend for our great kindness challenge community kickoff. It's taking place on Sunday, January 25th from 2 to 3:30 at Viasat. The different events include a studentled kindness rally, a happy parade to the CUSD district office. I mean, doesn't that just sound like a lot of fun? A happy parade. the unveiling
027of the new CUSD studentmade kindness matters art installation. I know we have one down by the five now. We're going to have one right here on our district office. So, lots of exciting things to come. Thank you. Sounds so exciting. Thank you. We now move on to part seven, public comment, non-aggenda items. Item 7.1, public comment regarding non-aggendaized topics that lie within the subject matter jurisdiction of the board. This is the time that members of the public have the opportunity to address the board on any non-aggendaized item that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the board. Let's see, we have two. So, in order to allow speakers to present their comments and ensure we are able to properly attend to the business of the board per bylaw 9323, public comments will be limited to
02820 minutes. This means each speaker will have three minutes. When I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether or not you live within the boundaries of the school district. The first speaker is Don Ebs. >> Good evening. I'm back. Um, yes, I live in the boundaries and I'm a kindergarten teacher at Hope. Uh, a day in the life of kindergarten, all day kindergarten. I thought about not speaking tonight because I'm kneede in assessing my students and finishing report cards. Having just finished core testing with my students, I'm pleased to show tell you that all of my children are making progress in kindergarten. So that's good news. What concerns me is that the curriculum that I taught that I'm teaching is behind what the curriculum that I taught last
029year. The concepts are behind because what I assume is because of the management piece. The management the classroom management piece is overwhelming and it has impacted the pace of instruction. So much of the instructional time is absorbed by daily routines, lining up, transitioning to lunch, recess, giving 21 students an opportunity to tell me about their weekend, um talking 5-year-olds out of tantrums, um and actually waking a few of them up on the carpet, which never happened in early bird laid out. And I'm especially concerned because we are being told that this change is moving forward despite limited funding to design it thoroughly. If the minds are already made up, then families deserve the honest truth about what this looks like. That means one teacher to a classroom of possibly 33 kindergarteners. So I hope that
030this sinks into every parent who's listening tonight, every TK parent who's listening. 92 days in in kindergart in kindergarten. And besides the emotional impact, it comes with a personal cost of $4,000, actually over $4,000 to my family. That's money that I'm spending to supplement what is missing in the classroom to provide a developmentally appropriate place for my children to explore, my students, I call children. My parents are assuming that these conditions are in place to support the children well. And I feel that in fact this is not the case. If all day kindergarten is truly the goal, then it must be funded, staffed, and designed intentionally with play-based learning, rest, flexibility, and child development at the center. So, I'm urging the board to slow down, talk to families about early bird laid out, find out
031what they love about the program, and talk to the kindergarten teachers. We're the experts. So please serve our children not schedules. Please don't feel pressure to accelerate academics at the expense of development. Carl'sbad kindergarten rocks. >> Thank you. Dr. Norman, can you just connect with Don Ebs just to clarify some of the information that she shared? Yes, I will. Thank you. >> Thanks. Okay, we now have Diana Ricker. Please come to the podium. You have three minutes. My name is Diana Ricker and I do live um within the boundaries. Um I want to bring this uh matter to your attention. Um this is a matter that would require extreme seriousness and thorough investigation by Carl'sb High School resource officer. Um officers plural. Um, I think if you remove yourself as a um, CUSD employee for
032a moment and think as a mom or as a parent, um, you would maybe have a different outlook on um, this matter. This matter is very private. Um, I'm not going to say it publicly, but I am going to show you with documents and I'm going to hand these documents to Ann Garcia. I'm hoping that she will um forward them to you. They are 10 pages long and um I just want to make you aware and if you didn't know, now you do know or you will know. point of information. Did we have any um cards uh wanting to address 13.5? And if so, can those folks be encouraged to speak now since it's not on the agenda anymore? >> We do not have any blue cards for 13.5. Thank you. >> Thank you, Trusty
033Rawlings. Okay, we now move on to part eight, consent calendar. All matters listed on the consent calendar considered by the board to be routine and will be enacted by the board in one motion. There will be no discussion on these items prior to the time the board votes on the motion unless there is a board request for one or more specific items to be removed from the consent calendar for discussion. Have any blue cards been received? We do not have any blue cards. >> Okay. Trustees, are there any items to be pulled for discussion? Okay. May I have a motion to approve the consent calendar? >> So moved. >> Second. >> I have a second. Okay. Thank you. Trustee Verbth made the motion. Trustee Rawlings seconded the motion. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote.
034Trusty Rellings, >> yes. >> Trusty Burbette, >> yes. >> Trusty Cioce, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> We now move on to part nine, presentations. Agenda item 9.1, presentations. Measure measure HH bond program monthly update. Trustees, this is an information discussion item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Rob Nye. Uh thank you, President Ward, trustees. Uh tonight's presentation is a monthly update on our measure HH bond program focusing on the progress of the current phase 2 projects which include uh both Javier Oaks Middle School as well as um uh Buenav Vista Elementary School. Give me one second here. Um, we also wanted to provide you with an update on Carl'sbad Village Academy as well as Carl'sbad Seaside Academy. And then
035lastly, we wanted to bring you back an update on phase three project list. So, we had some extensive conversations in November around uh bond availability and bond dollars that we had left over. We had some great discussion from the board about uh potential projects. We've been able to take some time, sharpen our pencils, um identify those projects and identify some greater, more accurate costs to each one of those. And uh we'd like to walk you through those um with a little bit more um of an eyesight on potentially um expanding that because we think we have some dollars that will be available. Um, I'd like to introduce Jessica Kimbrell, our director of facilities, who's going to walk us through the presentation. I do want to point out that this is uh Miss Kimrell's last board
036presentation for CUSD. She's going to be leaving us for another district and we're saddened by that. But we want to sincerely thank her for her dedication, her hard work, her support, her collaboration, the many projects that she's been able to implement here during her tenure. Tenure has been really remarkable. She's been a great resource for our district as well as for me. And uh I want to thank you for your time here. And we're going to turn over to you and uh walk us through the presentation tonight. [snorts] Wow. Um well, thank you for your kind words. It's really been at my pleasure to serve the board in Carlsbad Unified School District. Um it's such a bittersweet transition for me. Um and uh it's we have a lot we've done a lot of really great
037work and we still have a lot of great work to continue doing. So uh thank you very much for entrusting me with this bond program. I think we're I'm getting it ready. More things but good things coming. So, we'll just hop right into it. Um so, Aviara Oaks Middle School. Do you mind if I um this is just a highle view uh aerial shot of all the progress that we're doing at uh Aviara Oaks Middle School. So, we um had the opportunity last week to actually walk teachers through the space um to see not only the administration office, the counseling um center, but also the six classrooms that are in there, and they are super excited to be moving in over spring break. Um so, this is just another shot looking um west and north
038of the building. So, you can see a lot of the exterior finishes are completed and then we're on the inside putting in case work, ceilings, painting. It's moving uh right along. So excited for that work. At Buenov Vista, um we were very busy over winter break. We were um buttoning up the work in building B, which you see highlighted in um green here in the middle of the phase 2 building. And as we were moving people in, we were also moving people out of building C. So, as the you can see here, we have an existing um what the existing conditions look like with lights that were hanging down for the ceiling, wire mold that was up on the walls, and we've just peeled all that back, put in new ceiling, new lighting. It's much
039more brighter, more efficient, new finishes. Um happy to have everybody in those completed spaces. And as I mentioned on the coattails of that, we were doing demolition and already doing in roughen fire alarm um within that same period of time. So, uh, right now what it looks like is we'll be done with, um, this building later on in February, maybe a early March transition period, so we can then move on to the next phase. Uh, Carl'sbad Village Seaside Academy relocation project. Uh, we awarded a pre-construction contract to Lazardi Construction in November. Plans are currently with the division of state architect getting um, reviewed. We've had first round comments and we look to have this um uh DSA approved in the coming months. We'll be bringing um in February a guaranteed maximum price for that work
040uh with a construction start of uh June 2026. What I anticipate um the return uh back in August to look like is the two-story building being completed so we can occupy campuses. That's our milestone right there. um you have to have the classroom spaces available to start learning and then uh we'll be completing the administration building with some of the renovations that are taking place there. So they'll be housed in the newer portables uh on campus or modular buildings that are on currently on campus there. Um as we look at the phase three projects, we wanted to do a highle view of where we were at November of 2025. Uh we had just under $19 million in remaining funding and we had a conversation uh regarding uh about this proposed project list that you see
041here on the left and our highlevel comments were really about the highlighted areas. We kind of took the access control and the safety and security improvements at the administration office and made that more of a centralized um secure main office point of entry. Um, we also looked at uh the Carlsbad High School fire alarm and uh move forward with that. I'll jump into every single one of these in a few more slides, but then some modifications at the stadium uh chiller pump number two and continuing to investigate the soils at Sage Creek. Um, at the time we were going down a path where we thought that the intercom system would be in need of being fully replaced, but we've worked a little bit closer with our IT department and we've been able to modify um
042the system from a infrastructure standpoint at zero cost to HH dollars. So that was that was a win for us there. Um when we go back to talking about the secure main office um I did walk with an architect at all five schools and we realize that there's really two ways to approach this. There's a a hardwarebased approach which is a buzzer and intercom system similar to that of higher level like ring system at your house. Um and also a modificationbased approach. So that would be moving casework, maybe some walls to make it a truly secure lobby area. Um, and we have a recommendation to do that at the elementary at um pointedia cal and the cala is just because of the way that the offices are are oriented. uh we think that that would
043be a beneficial more beneficial long-term uh for those uh three campuses and we're recommending moving forward with a hardwarebased approach at both the high schools because both would trigger a substantial amount of modification to the walls and the flow and how that would look like. So we think at a minimum that that would be the best way to move forward there. So you'll see that in the pricing here um in just a minute. So I took that available fund balance and um plugged in some budgets there. So we'll just go quickly line by line. So at pointia we do have the hardware and modification based secure main entry. Um I backed out the funding for the intercom system that was uh previously allocated for that at Calaver Hills um elementary and middle the secure uh
044main entry with both hardware and modification based. And then at Carl'sbad High School, um we did have several items that we had discussed with regards to stadium improvements um a pedestrian path lighting and we were able to find um alternative funding for that using uh maintenance dollars. Um we looked also to at um stadium improvements with regards to the sound system and scoreboard and um a lot of the newer technology for scoreboards includes the sound in them. So uh that was quite a benefit for us to look at that. So we are um have that plugged in the fire alarm again that secure main office the hardware based approach uh chiller pump 2 um cost is in there sage creek the soil mitigation uh the investigation only. Now there's two parts to this investigation. There
045was a portion that we'll talk about in just a couple minutes um in in further developed slides of um what we did over winter break and that was the drilling and the boring and then there's the assessment thereof of that and some additional work that we're requesting. So, some of that what we've done to date has been part of that long-range facility master plan that we've been talking about for quite some time now. And that's being um funded by developer fees, not HH dollars is how we have done that. And the reason for continuing to do some of that exploratory work is we really didn't know what the issues were, right? Um so, so that's why the investigation is listed on here in that way even though we've already done some. Excuse [clears throat] me,
046Mr. >> And I would just weigh in on this as well. You know, after we've done the soil mitigation, that's when we can apply to the state for a hardship potentially. We've also reached out to our insurance provider as well um and notified them hardship would probably be the best path forward. Um and when we talked to our consultant, they were um pretty optimistic and saying that we would be a potentially good candidate for a hardship. So that would be our first path or course of action. Should we um not get something through the hardship, then we could pursue the JPA and and our insurance provider. >> And Miss Kimrell, can you go back up to and just provide the board with more clarification as to why Point City is so expensive for securing the
047main office? >> Yeah, absolutely. Um, one of the CDE requirements, California Department of Education is to have a line of sight uh to the health office and the health office at Point Setia is down the hall um quite a bit and there's no other like secondary view of there. So, we um plugged in a little bit more money not um as we're still going through in the investigations, not knowing if we have to relocate that um and modify some of the walls to remove to move that into a different spot so they have that second line of sight into the health office. Um and then uh with Sage Creek also the secure main office. And then um you can see the total there. We had about $8.5 million worth of anticipated um estimated costs with
048those projects and with quite a healthy available balance of just over $10 million. So we wanted to continue to propose doing some additional stadium improvements at Carl'sbad High School. And I know that um in previous conversations we had talked about both high schools needing their fields um to be uh redone, but the challenge with Sage Creek is until we get a handle on what the soil mitigation issues are, we aren't able to do that without um making sure that it's safe and the soil conditions are stable. So that's why at this time we um we're going to be bringing uh Carlsbad High School view stadium improvements to uh to the table. Um high level just status updates on all those projects that we had just mentioned. Uh fire alarm we have hired uh alpha studio
049design group uh in December of 2025. The drawings will be complete in midappril of 2026 to go to DSA. Uh we anticipate bidding this out in the fall of this year with an award in November of 2026. Um then that would allow us to do second shift work, which a lot of fire alarm projects are done second shift. So they come in at 3, leave at 11 after we vacate, and then a good chunk of some of the work that's a little bit more difficult to get to, uh they would be able to do that over summer. Um so that's why we have a construction timeline from November 2026 to August 2027. uh the stadium uh at Carl'sbad [clears throat] High kind of already touched on those high level pedestrian path is an alternative funding
050source but we did receive pricing we reviewed scope and we'll be issuing Cupco contract for that and then the scoreboard and sound system we are too reviewing that and most likely we'll be bringing that back to the board um either in February or in March um and then the chiller pup number two is actively bidding right now and um they anticipate awarding that um in March of 2026. Dr. do you want to talk about the >> Sure. So, I know that um in a previous meeting, we had talked about uh potential benefits of natural grass versus synthetic turf. Um we did a little bit of an analysis here. The city actually went through and did an extensive analysis of some of their athletic fields and whether or not they wanted to replace those with grass
051or turf fields. We took some of that information. We just put it in a sidebyside update. I'm not going to go through all this information, but just to highlight the cost. The initial cost for turf fields are slightly higher than the initial cost for grass fields. Um the turf fields are going to cost you about $20 per square foot. grass is about 19. However, I would say that with the grass fields, depending on irrigation that we have underneath those fields, if we were to switch out from the turf to the grass, we'd have to look at the irrigation that we currently have and make sure that we can um tie into that irrigation. And that might add to that cost um initial cost of getting that underway. As far as typical use life, um a
05212-year warranty you typically get for the turf fields grass is completely ongoing. I would just um point out um program capacity. You know, one of the things uh that you want to look at is those fields at the high school level are our highest use fields probably of any classroom, any gym. the usage on those fields are extensive and um to put in a grass field would not be our recommendation because of the hightraic areas that those grass fields uh must maintain. Um when you think about weather, although it doesn't rain a lot in Southern California, when it does rain, um that requires some downtime on those grass fields. It also you're required to have um uh sod replacement and different types of replacement throughout the year whether it be quarterly annually where there's some
053downtime and that would put our athletes at a competitive disadvantage. Um it would put um you know the field would have some downtime. The other thing to consider as well is the maintenance staff uh that you'd need to maintain those fields. Um, I was reminded today that there's um, when you have turf fields, they're lined, they're striped. You don't need to do any of that. And they're striped for multiple sports. Um, as you get into grass, you're having to line and stripe those for different types of sports, lacrosse, uh, soccer, which all have different dimensions, football, which adds to the cost of the maintenance staff that you're going to need. So, in our [snorts] mind, we we understand the argument there and it would be nice as a former athlete, I love playing on grass
054versus turf, but these turf fields have gotten much more um athlete friendly. Uh and I would say for our capacity at the high schools, it would be staff's recommendation to continue to install turf fields just for the playability and the program usage on those fields. it it it is such a high impact area beyond just athletics. It's band, it's cheer, it's dance, all of those programs plus our community uses it as well. So all of those programs and that high usage would be leading to the recommendation of um going with the turf rather than the natural grass. >> Um as I mentioned uh Sage Creek soil investigation. So, we have several areas in which we have bored and drilled down into the ground that you see here and left these monitoring devices in there. We
055started monitoring um activities, let's say since uh January 12th. So, what we'll look to do is at the February board meeting be bringing forward that um architect uh assessment proposal that I had mentioned. And once we start digging into um the potential wise and and the data, uh they then would be submitting a separate proposal for the design thereof. Um and as Rob had already mentioned briefly, um some of the factors to consider on this project are a couple the timeline in which it would take place. Um because it's such a massive area, we can't do it all in one summer. there's going to be areas that it's going to be a multi-phase multi-year uh approach. Um and then also the budget uh with that, you know, our initial estimate was close to $40 million,
056but like Rob had mentioned, working with our funding consultant, it's a pretty high indication that this is a very good candidate for um facility hardship. So um that will, as Robin mentioned, once we get the design in place, then we can apply for those dollars and kind of pivot and go from there. So that is that. So the next uh steps that we that we uh that I'm putting in place are for um Sage Creek, CHS, Calvary Hills Elementary, and Point Setia to continue uh hopefully with the recommendations that we provide this evening um in those designs so we can get that going as well as continue the work at Carl'sb High School for the fire alarm, scoreboard, and sound. and then a proposed uh track and field upgrade. Um if we are able to
057make uh some decisions rather quickly, it looks like we might be able to get the project done this summer and that would be huge. Um and then uh continue the investigations at Sage Creek for soils and then um we're just going to continue to bid out chiller pump number two. >> Any questions? So yeah, we'll turn it back over to President Ward for public comment and then we're happy to answer any questions that you have. >> This is time for public comment. We have one blue card. Um when I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether you whether or not you live within the boundaries of the school district. You will have three minutes, and we will have the timer on the screen for you. Eric Kristen Good
058evening. My name is Eric Christristen. I'm the executive director of the Coalition for Fair Employment and Construction. We are a statewide organization that was formed 27 years ago to oppose discriminatory project labor agreements. And it fits perfectly with the issue that you're talking about, your bond monies. When your bonds were passed, there was no mention of a project labor agreement. Somebody on this board thought it would be a great idea to make every bond dollar worth 30 to 50% less by discussing a project labor agreement at some future point and placing it on the rest of your bonding bond money or a future project or a future bond. That would be disastrous. And here's why. A project labor agreement discriminates against the 90% of the local construction workforce that is unionfree in this state. Like
059in this country and in this region, 90% of the workers choose to wake up on a daily basis and work in a union-f free environment. I say that as somebody who holds two union cards. My father retired from the UAW. We have union contractors that belong to our organization, but they know what PLA's are and they are terrible for business. They reduce the value of your bonds by just explicitly and implicitly discriminating against the young young men and women in the construction workforce that choose to be union free. It's a choice they make. If they wanted to work in the union, they could take their skill sets and go work tomorrow and work for a union. 90% of the construction workforce chooses not to do that. As a public entity, I understand some of you
060receive big labor special interest money. That should not cause you to place on your agenda this item that's going to discriminate against non-UN workers. You should tell the people that donate to your campaigns and contribute to them that this is a bridge you're not willing to cross. You're not for sale. You represent all of the workers in this region, not just unionized workers. So the value of every dollar will be reduced in value with the PLA because it forces workers to have to pay into union health, welfare, and pension plans. They'll never vest in. Vesting requirements are five years. It's an insane requirement. It's one reason I'm no longer in the union. I found things like that to be reprehensible. It's my money from day one. It should be my money from day one. But
061in the unions and the construction trades, you have to work for five years before that money is given to you. If you do not, it's kept and that non-UN worker has wage theft that he's basically been a victim of. Um the young men and women in the state approved apprentichip programs here in this region and around the state that are great programs just like the union programs, apprentichip programs, they are explicitly forbidden from working under PLA projects. So those kind of provisions keep the majority of the contractors in this area and workers from bidding your jobs. You will not have those people bidding. You mentioned Lousardi was getting one of one of the winning biders on one of your projects. They won't bid your projects with the PLA. They're non-union. They just won't bid it.
062So that's what you're facing. And I just want to encourage you. We've been sending you emails. We will be sending you more to educate yourself on this. Do not do something because big labor special interest encourage you to do it or tell you to do it. represent all of the workers, all of the contractors, and all the taxpayers in this region. Thank you. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? Gretcha or Trusty Verbeth. >> Thank you. Um, we wish you well, Jessica, first of all, your new endeavor. Um, how is the track tied or is it tied to redoing the field? Do they need to be done simultaneously? Is the What's going on with the track that requires those improvements? Because we didn't speak much about the track. We just see that it's
063listed. >> Yeah, those [clears throat] excuse me, those um projects got done at a pretty close point in time and it just gets as much wear and tear as the field does. Um, so we thought that since the field would most likely be will be closed during this, it would be a great opportunity to refresh the track itself. >> Yeah. And I would say the track is in disrepair. There's been a number of different instances where we'd have to come out and manually repair the track currently. Um, it's at its end of life. Both both are the turf and the track. >> So it makes sense to do it simultaneously. >> Absolutely. Thank you. On um slide I think it's um 18. >> Yes. Um the the potential I'm sorry. There you go. >> Okay.
064The um the potential funding balance um is that money that can be used for additional products or or projects or and would those additional products be the turf and what other projects um are we are you recommending or are you waiting to um see what happens with this first? I I I think from from my perspective um because of the timeline in which you have to be able to work on the fields, I think the reason we brought um the Carlsbad High School stadium field and um track was because of the timing because it's either like this summer or the following summer and how much longer can that new can that field how much more use can that field and track really take at this point in time given it where it's at. Um, I
065think that there could be the possibility of additional projects that would be brought forth later on. Um, but for right now, that's why it's just these specific ones that we're bringing back. >> Go ahead. to follow up. So, just to be clear, the the either the 17 or the 1.7, 1.5, or 1.55, um, it's one of those or two of those, or >> it would be the track and the synthetic turf or the grass. >> Okay. So, I'm still confused. So, it's two two out of the three and that would be taken out of the 10, >> correct? >> Four. And so again, just doing some back of the napkin math. Um, so there would be about 7 million left to do >> correct >> some of the other projects. And then are we >>
066are we limited to the projects that were on our list initially that we had at the meeting in November? >> Not necessarily. That's what I mean. No, I mean this was just a starting point to start the conversation back in November based on what we felt would be good recommendations [snorts] um with the available dollars that we had and you know as we wrap up the projects that are currently in in process right there's a high likelihood that we're able to return monies back into that pot as well. So Aviara Oaks is in the closeout elementary school is in the closeout phase right now. Um I believe we have just a DSA fee left, right? So in the coming months we'll see that that balance then increases um also over time. Trusty Amry, um if
067you have the information off hand or can recollect um about how many and what of the original HH proposed projects have we met and if we have not met ones that were originally sold, you know, um during that phase, uh what would those be? >> Can we go back to the originally proposed project ones? Um, you know, I think I think the language of the bond really um allows for uh addressing multiple needs um at each campus. While we like to put the dollars as we say in the industry like into the classroom um there are other things around it that are not fa that are not um that are breaking or failing or have problematic issues. So that's why we had uh recommended some of these other projects. There are I mean the possibilities
068are endless. Some of them were just targeted modernizations. Um and you know to be in the in in the room in 2017 18 when that was being developed uh would be great but really the the possibilities are are endless. I think the biggest thing was a secure um front office and fencing >> was uh one of the big ones and I think we'd be accomplishing that initiative um with the projects that we currently have recommended. Um and then it's really into infrastructure and some of the other challenges. >> I seem to remember when when this came out though, there were specific projects that were presented to the community. I don't know if my fellow board members remember that as well, but um and I'm just asking for a refresher on what those were. >> Yeah,
069I I don't think we've had that actually presented to us, but Shauna Hurst did um present in a board meeting. She had the door [clears throat] hanger >> with So, I think, am I understanding you correctly that you're kind of interested I'm interested in what was on that door hanger, what was promised to the community when they were presented with the bond to be voted on in the first place. Yeah, we can certainly bring that information back at a future HH update and explicitly say do a little crosswalk. This is what we initially had planned and this is what we promised and this is um the projects that we've done to date that we think uh accomplish those things and these are some things that are still outstanding if there are >> trusty Verbth. the
070other funding for uh that's listed. What is that? Where do you um where did you find that >> for um we did funding for uh for the pedestrian path lighting uh uh maintenance and operation funding. >> So out of the general maintenance and operations, this was a pretty low cost. Um and so as we were meeting with maintenance and operations, they can accommodate that through their ongoing budget, their annual budget. >> Great. So, I guess as a followup to that, what I'm what I've seen now in this presentation is that we were able to um pull some costs out because it was able to help with the intercom system and then we had a budget u from M that was able to help with the lighting. So, that's wonderful. Thank you, >> Trusty Rawlings. >>
071Thank you. Um, as far as the um, when you're talking about the door hanger and that sort of thing, do you we also have available the ballot language that was actually put before the voters that we are bound by? >> Yeah, I can pull that as well and bring that to a future HH meeting. >> Followup. >> Okay, Trustee Emory. Um, going back to the Sage um, Sage Creek, when we're talking about authorizing um, what what happens first? Is it um that we authorize for repair and then look to recoup that money or do we wait to see what the estimate is and then go after the money before we put the projects forward? So yeah, the second Okay. >> Yeah, you what we'll do is we'll we'll gather the data, come up with the
072design and fix and then present that to um to the power zep in OPSC office of public school construction. >> How much will the design cost? Will we have to hire an architect and pay for the design and then try to recoup it through hardship? >> Yeah, right now we know that the investigation would be about $175,000. The design then um is not determined at this time for that additional cost because we don't know what the challenge is. Um it it I would anticipate the overall architectural fees to probably just double um for for that. Um but is is something that we can recoup later on. >> Trusty Rollings. >> Thank you. And it is a follow-up to that one. Um uh recently the city of Carl'sbad um had some uh soil mitigation issues um
073along Coast Highway and had storm drain issues. Are our issues similar to that? >> I'm not aware of the uh city of Carlsbad issues that they had. >> Okay. >> I can reach out though. >> Okay. I was just because they did mention storm drains and they did mention and basically part of a cliff kind of fell in Carl's bed. And that was um uh Long Coast Highway. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And um and then could you remind me what the contractor told us initially? I I know you had mentioned in the November meeting that with Sage Creek that the contractor had said we are going to have to deal with something at at some point. Um and then so there's a kind of let it go. Could you >> Yeah, there is a
074we did identify that there was a broken storm drain line most and that would need to be repaired, but that's most likely uh being caused by the the shifting of the soil at the campus. So, at a minimum, we'll need to fix that when we repair um find the fix for the soil settling. Now, you had mentioned originally that the contractor had said when they first built Sage Creek that there was going to need to be some some ongoing maintenance. >> Yeah. >> That that didn't happen. And I could you tell me what that was again? >> Yeah, we we had heard in conversation that there was some design recommendations that were made um that could have most likely delayed some of the settling depending upon how they treated the soil. Um, so there's some
075properties that you can add to the existing soils, especially in a cut fill situation like we have here where a lot of it is fill and expansive. Um, that could have might maybe slowed down this process until we know what the actual cause is. We can't really speak to that could have stopped it. Um, we'll we'll just have to we'll have to see once we continue through our investigations. Um, so to follow up on that, that that was in the design phase, that wasn't in the correct construction phase. So as they were designing, they said we should do this and we decided to do something different. >> Yeah, that's my understanding. >> Do you know what year that was perhaps? >> I mean, the the design was probably done 2011, 2012 into 13. I think
076the school opened 1314. It was a multi-year process. It might have actually began in like around 2010. And then one last followup. Um, do you know was that presented to the public in a board meeting or was the board made aware of that in any way that you're >> I'm not certain. >> I would imagine that there was some presentations about you just mean in general about the >> just about the differences in design like if we would have done this design it would have cost this but this was what hap you know this is what we could have done. We don't know that. >> Okay. >> Trusty Amry. Um just a small one because we're dealing with fire alarms that always go off. Um if there if you're using the fire alarm um the
077second shift, is there any impact to the surrounding community during those times of things inadvertently going off and they're working till 11 or >> No. And we actually were able to make some modifications to the existing system. Um and the fire alarm has not gone off on a regular basis since those repairs were made. But that is just one small thing to compare to the whole system that needs to be replaced. [laughter] That doesn't fix the rest of it. >> Trusty Verba, >> can you speak to why $175,000 for the investigation is being pulled out of measure HH dollars as opposed to perhaps the general fund? >> I I >> it's actually yeah, this is actually coming from developer fees. Um so not coming from HH and it's part of part of this is um
078under the umbrella of um Lionus they're doing our long range facility master plan. So they've contracted to do some of the soil the initial soil mitigation and exploration if you will with a third party company. They're actually doing it but those funds are coming from developer fees not HH. >> So then they shouldn't be on the spreadsheet. There's there's two there's two parts to the investigation. So the work that's taken place thus far um the pictures and the monitoring systems that you saw in solve that it was um funded by developer fees. We were going to recommend utilizing bond I I was going to recommend utilizing bond funds for the soil investigation once we there's two parts that need to take place. Getting those test results but then also doing some additional discovery. Um, and
079the reason for that is I think the recoup rec being able to recoup those costs later on down the road. We have more flexibility I feel in the HH funds versus the general fund. But I think it would be at the discretion of whomever. >> So is the 175 partially developer and you're estimating partially HH? >> No, this is strictly HH. The boring cost is not shown on this slide. So what Lionus is doing is not shown on this slide. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> So then my question is why did we choose to use measure HH dollars as opposed to general fund dollars since this school was built 10 years ago and the public, you know, agreed to the school being built, but I don't think that they that these dollars were expected to
080be used for soil mitigation and investigation. And so I'm just asking the question for the benefit of the public and the rest of the board as to, you know, if there's going to be ongoing costs, are we going to continue to pull that from the measure HH dollars >> or is the rationale, like you said, is it easier to recover these costs if they're measure HH dollars that are used versus >> they would still be recoverable. um dep it just >> just just so we're clear there wouldn't be there are no general fund dollars to pay for this. So if we are taking it out of the general fund um we would have to be balancing that from something else. So HH developer fees um other areas are really our funding sources that we would
081need to try to identify. But going back, Miss Kimbrrell, to the 175, it doesn't have to come out of HH at this time because part of that 18 million has developer fees in it. >> Correct. It could come from either P. >> Correct. Okay. >> Trusty Rawlings. >> Um, just to be clear that um with capital um um outlay dollars and and facilities maintenance dollars, couldn't that be um and that's part of the general fund, couldn't that be used for this purpose as well? >> Sure. But those funds again are um pretty tight I would say. And um really our our larger portion of dollars at this point in time are in um HH um developer fees and our cops as well. So our certificates of participation. >> So followup. Mhm. Um, so hopefully we
082can recoup these costs and put them back into measure HH and perhaps address other projects that have been prioritized by the board and the public. >> Exactly. >> I have a separate question. >> Yep. Um so on slide 20, when it comes to the natural turf and the um synthetic turf, um when we're costing it out at a at a replacement a time frame of approximately 12 years and then the ongoing um availability of natural grass, have we have we priced that out to to where we're taking one-time dollars and investing it um initially and then the ongoing dollars would pay for itself on a when we're talking about replacement at every 12 years. >> No, we didn't do that analysis. Um, you know, part of this is cost and then I would say another
083part of this again is um the idea of capacity and grass versus turf in general. Um, so I don't foresee a situation where we could um come to you with a recommendation of grass at this point in time. it's not a feasible option for a high school field and the usage that that field gets. So, it just wouldn't even be an option at this point in time in my mind. >> Um, have we also considered the difference in injuries with students when there's synthetic turf versus natural grass? >> We have not done a deep analysis of that. I would say that the turf fields again have come a long way as it comes to um uh athletic participation and injuries, but I have not done any deep analysis of that. >> And being that this
084is a discussion information item, are we being um asked to make that decision tonight or will it come before us at a later date to make that decision between synthetic and natural grass? Yeah, we really would like to get some direction tonight uh moving forward. As Miss Director Kimrella mentioned, um we're on a pretty strict timeline to kind of turn this around if we'd like to do it this summer. Um so we'd like to get some direction and then have it go out to bid um pretty quickly right after this. if you needed to be brought back in February, um we could do so, but that could potentially um really um severely impact the timeline at this point in time. >> Trusty Amry, >> just kind of follow up on that if I'm following. So,
085if give or take, you know, 200 I think there's a zero missing on that one now that I see that. um >> 200,000 there, you know, in the N in the installation. Would we expect then with the ongoing maintenance to recoup some of those funds in the maintenance since we won't need to be the mowing and the water and the Yes. >> Um the recharf and all that? Okay. >> Yes. >> Yeah. The pricing that's provided here, it's it's literally like for like for >> cover. Yeah. The the biggest unknown is the um irrigation cost for natural grass would most likely then be higher than the synthetic turf cost just at the initial onset of the project. Any other questions? No. Okay. Trustees, now is a time for discussion. Any discussion? Oh, sorry. First of
086all, thank you so much for a thorough and doing a great job explaining all of these to us um further on um and all the previous work that you've done. Um I feel really good about the everything that has been put forward. I'm really curious to see what's going to happen with Sage Creek and thank you for bringing forward that that point about um you know using the HH dollars. Um, personally, um, I think if we're going to be redoing the field, it might be a good idea to redo the track at the same time. Um, so I think that is where I'm leaning towards at the moment. But I'm also very mindful that um you know we I don't want to keep ignoring our CAC and and you know the other um programs that
087need help and I'd like to just continue to voice that we we'd like to find you know a way to honor those previous commitments because I believe that was one that was made to the public in the beginning of um measure HH. >> Any other discussion? I'm in support of the synthetic [snorts] turf and the track um to move forward. I think it's a great idea. It gets a lot of use from a a lot of students. Um and uh hopefully once we get the soil mitigation issues taken care of at Sage, we can do the same over there. Um, so I would like to ask my fellow board trustees to go um give them authorization to move forward and in that as well as the soil mitigation so we can find out what's going
088on at that school. Anyone else? So Jessica, thank you for the presentation. That was great. I really appreciate all of the information that was brought forward today and thanks for that catch. uh trusty verb about the money. Um I also want to move forward with I think the doing the track at the same time and the synthetic turf. It looks like that would be a good positive direction. So um if we if can I take consensus on moving forward with that those two things? Point of order. >> Um that's not how we're doing consensus these days. Okay. And I I would object. Um, I'm I'm not in favor of the synthetic turf. I'm definitely in favor of the natural grass that um the environmental impact. I believe the injuries and actually ongoing costs. I think
089you're better off putting forward initial costs and then moving forward. So, I I do object. >> Okay. Does anybody object to the track? >> Okay. um do combining the track when they're doing the work that they're going to be doing in the stadium. Does anybody object to that? Okay. Forward with that. And does anybody object to the synthetic moving forward with the synthetic grass on the field? >> I've made my objection noted. >> Okay. Or anybody else? Okay. All right. Any other discussion? Okay. All right, thank you. We now move on to part 10, business services agenda item 10.1, annual audit report for fiscal year 2425. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Rob Nye. >> Thank you again, President Ward, trustees and Dr. Norman. I'd like
090to take a moment to highlight the results of the 2024 25 annual independent audit. The audit resulted in an unmodified opinion, which is the highest level of assurance a school district can receive. This means our independent auditors concluded that the district's financial statements are fairly presented in all material respects and in accordance with generally accepted accounting principles. I'd also like to recognize and thank our board trustees uh that sat on the subcommittee uh trustees Verbbef and COC for their participation in the audit subcommittee process. This year it was a little bit condensed and uh this was primarily due to a federal regulations being released later than expected um which pushed our timelines back quite a bit. And so, traditionally, we adopt the audit in um December, but the auditor had to really turn things around
091in a quick nature, which um didn't provide a whole lot of time for our our our subcommittee to review the audit information, but we were fortunate enough to have the auditor join us on a Zoom call um last week uh to review that information and to answer any questions. So again, just to remind all of the board, we're really pleased it was an unmodified uh opinion. Uh in addition, I want to commend our fiscal services team for their hard work and professionalism uh throughout the year and during the audit process. I I would like to point out that we're also pleased uh to report that one of the audit findings that we had actually in the previous year in the 2324 school year had been fully corrected in the 2425 school year demonstrating the district's
092responsiveness to uh commitment and continuous improvement that had to do with specifically ELOP and some signatures that were required um for our before and after school programs regarding ELO funds And so we're happy that that got corrected as well. So overall, the audit reflects positively on the district's financial management and staff respectfully recommends that the board of trustees approve the 2425 annual audit report. I'll turn it back over to uh President Ward. >> Thank you. This is a time for public comment. We have no blue cards. Trustees, do you have any questions? Okay. May I have a motion to accept the audit report for fiscal year 2425 as presented? >> So moved. >> Second. >> Trustee Siosci made the motion. Trustee Emmery seconded the motion. Discussion. >> Um I just want to say again congratulations.
093I sat on that committee for many many years and um I agree with the responsiveness that even when there are findings the the situation is corrected immediately and um usually comes back with a with a A rating and that's um uh very impressive and I'm glad to that that tradition continues. >> Go ahead, Trusty Burba. Um, and Trusty Steely and I did get to sit in on that meeting and it's nice to hear an auditor come with confidence that we had no findings and so I felt very comfortable with the information that he provided to us in that meeting and um, congratulations to CUSD. >> Okay, any other discussion? Okay, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbbeth, >> yes. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory,
094>> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Okay, thank you. We now move on to item 10.2, 2 discussion in possible action to adjust board member compensation under education code 35120 and AB1390 effective January 1st, 2026. Trustees, this is a discussion and possible action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Rob Nye. >> Thank you again, President Ward, trustees and Dr. Norman. Uh, this item is before the board as a result of a change in state law that took effect January 1st, 2026. Assembly Bill 1390 amended education code section 35120, updating schoolboard compensation limits for the first time in more than 40 years. In presenting the bill, the author, Assembly Member Solace, explained that compensation levels had not kept pace with uh inflation and no longer reflect
095the significantly expanded responsibilities and time commitments of board service. The legislature noted that statutory compensation caps caps for school district boards had remained largely unchanged since the mid 1980s. AB1390 was enacted to modernize those limits by adjusting compensation ceilings and aligning them with district size while preserving local control over the actual compensation amount. The measure received broad bipartisan support as it moved through both houses of the legislature reflecting a shared recognition that the existing limits were outdated. Carlsbad Unified School Board bylaw 9250 aligns directly with state law by tying trustee compensation to the limits established in Education Code 35120. Based on the district's average daily attendance, Carlsbad Unifi now falls within a statutory tier that permits a higher compensation ceiling. This item is presented to allow the board to consider board member compensation within the
096updated legal framework. It's respectfully recommended that the board of trustees consider and possibly take action to adjust the board members monthly compensation effective January 1st, 2026, consistent with the authority provided under education code 35120 and Assembly Bill 1390. Thank you, President Warren. this time. This is the time for public comment. We have no blue cards. Trustees, do you have any questions for staff? Trustee Rollings. Thank you. Um I I know um the California School Boards Association was a big advocate for this um for this uh bill. Um can you tell us some of the reasons what why they believed it was important that this bill pass and and uh why boards should be looking at this as a um positive for the community? Yeah, I think I I mentioned some of those things prior, but
097there's definitely there's not been a adjustment since the mid 80s is one of the um um citations. I I have not read the CSBA um information at this point in time, so I'm not familiar with their findings, but I did read the legislation and the purpose of um the legislatures and why this was presented to the California State Legislature and some of their um comments that I cited earlier. you know, the idea that the roles and responsibilities of the school board members have expanded quite [laughter] dramatically over the course of the past 40 years. And so I would imagine CSBA was citing those um as well. But that was one of the main things that the legislature was arguing as well that local school boards um in the past 40 years, the responsibilities of a
098local trustee have expanded so much over those uh 40 years um that they're recommending the idea that um compensation levels needed to be adjusted based on those recommendations. >> I have a question. Can you explain um you know what the percentages are, what the co what the compensation actually is? >> Yeah. Um we're in the mid tier based on our um based on our enrollment which I believe goes up to about 22 23,000 students. I think it starts at 10,000 students. So, it raises the compensation level up to uh $2,000 per month per trustee uh versus where it currently is is $400. I'm not familiar. I I know the other tiers, but I I don't know the compensation levels of each of those tiers. I just focused on ours um based on our ADA and
099enrollment. Maybe Dr. Normal Dr. Norman 1,23,000. So above uh you know if they're above they're a larger district they can get up to $3,000 I believe and then if they're a smaller district smaller than$10,000 um it's about $1,200 per month >> give or take okay thank you sorry >> trusty Emory >> uh do we know of other uh local districts or comparable districts that have already um made a decision on this and what their decision has been >> you know there's been a a lot [laughter] of uh there's been a lot of discussion. We don't have a comparable district in San Diego County that's like us, that's a unified district that um has our enrollment, but I know that um many districts in San Diego County are having these discussions and setting limits and and
100and at least having the discussion. >> I know Sweet Water was voting on it. Go ahead. Sweetwater was voting on it. Um Salana Beach has already voted on it. Grossmont's already voted on it. I believe Oceanside had it on theirs. So, it's it's happening. >> Yeah. Yeah. Any other questions? Okay. Um, let's see here. Is there a board member Oh, sorry. Is there a board member who would like to make a motion to take action on this item? Trusty Rawlings. >> Um, thank you. I'd like to make a motion that uh CUSD adopt a compensation of $2,000 per month per AB1390 effective January 1st, 2026. >> Okay. Trustee Rawlings made a motion. Is there a second? Trustee >> second. >> Trusty Verbbeth. Okay. Discussion. Um I would like to make some comments about this. Um
101you know I I kind of struggled with this one because I know that we all knew what the compensation was when we um took office and went for office. Uh also I I also understand that this job is hard. Um really hard especially right now. Um and it is very time consuming as well. Um and I do see value in it because it does bring candidates to the table and I think it would encourage people to run for this this position. I think it's hard to get people to run for this position for school board. Um, however, what I would like to see is this to move forward, um, if it moves forward to take it into effect where each of us, um, that it would take in effect once we're up for election, and
102that's how I would like to see it happen and for it to roll out. But I'm open for discussion and to hear everyone's perspectives today. and want to keep an open mind. Um, but anyways, that's that's kind of how I feel about this topic. Um, I know that one of the TR one of us had brought this to be on the agenda and I do want to respectfully give that person the opportunity to speak to um why why this was brought to the agenda and let them start. I did not bring it to the agenda, but um to the point uh that you're making, I I do think um I certainly knew what the compensation was, but not how difficult. It's I think we can all agree that uh it's it's quite it's quite tricky.
103Not that I'm discouraging anyone else from running, but I do think that that would encourage maybe more community involvement um in the future. I don't think any of us plan on being here for setting or raising the bar on Alisa Williamson's um tenure. Um but I do think, you know, that's something that might encourage some people as well in the community to maybe throw their hat in if they hadn't considered before. Um I understand your thinking on that. Um uh the difference with the election. I do however have some questions around some trustees doing it for a certain amount while others are doing the same work for another. Um I just I have some questions around that. >> Trusty Rolls. >> Um I also did not bring it uh put it on the agenda. However,
104um when CSBA was advocating for this, it wasn't just the hard work, but it was also um the barriers to entry that um you know, for a single parent to be able to buy, you know, or to pay for a babysitter so they can attend a meeting or that they could take maybe take a day off to be able to go do school sites if they're a nineto-ive person. So um and I remember uh Trusty Seos mentioning that before that you know that it does take a toll on the family and on um uh and on um the your work life. And so in order to really be able to um put forward your you be able to put your best foot forward in this role. I do think and even at $2,000 a month,
105um I mean a trustee could donate that if they chose to, but there but an individual's income should not be a deterrent for them to be able to serve um the public. And as you know, I've been on this board for 11 years and uh doing this work for the $400 a month. So I I know what um what I got myself into. And so this isn't necessarily for me as an individual. um it's more of future boards and future candidates and future um board members to be able to expand because um CSBA even uses the term support democratic representation. And so that would be it shouldn't be just those that can afford it, but it should be those that want to serve the public. So um I will be voting in favor of the
106um of the motion on the floor. I did not bring this before the board agenda today either, but um so um I am in favor of u this motion that's on the floor uh effective now. Um I believe I knew what the stipen would be. I had no idea how much work it was going to be. And I'm the type of person um I was asked to run because my community knew how much I cared about this this school district, the students, the families. I was deeply invested. I am deeply invested. Um I just ran the cars half marathon with two teachers. Like I just love our teachers, our students, and our families. And um I I don't think it should be something that's tied to an election. Um I have dedicated my my life,
107my family has sacrificed from my time being involved in this and my ability to generate income is limited because of the amount of time that I dedicate to this um very very important role which I take very seriously. So I will be um supporting the motion that's on the floor. I think I just really struggle with it because um you know altogether it's over $100,000 and I I just feel like you know I kind of knew what to expect going into this and um but you all make some excellent points um and totally valid but I I think I just struggle with that and you know we talk about the money going into the classroom and so I don't know. I but I hear you. I hear what you're saying and um I think those
108those points are clear. Uh Trusty Rawlings, >> I just had a quick point as well. Um one of the things that um because I did talk to a few community members about this and at this stipen rate that we're at, it's almost a pseudo volunteer position and I think the community expects more of a professionalism when they elect um somebody to this office as well. So I think that I think that this position is more than a volunteer position or you know almost volunteer position. So that's another reason why I think it's important that we kind of raise the bar because we also the community expects more of us as well. So I think that's important. >> Trusty Verba >> and we could talk about cost of inflation. We could talk about cost of gas
109of eggs. We all have families. We have college tuition. Um the list goes on and on. And so, um, you know, if we compare ourselves to even city council, I know they go to a lot more meetings than us, but you know, I think they're making 35 $40,000 a piece. So, I think this is a very small compensation to um just, you know, it hasn't been updated for 40 years. That's a long time. All right. Any other discussion? Okay. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Trusty Burbach, >> yes. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Emmery, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> no. Motion passes four to one. >> I also just want to mention because I know we have to explain or no voters. >> Um, you're supposed
110to explain it before you vote. No. Okay. Sorry. Thank you. We now move on to item 10.3, school board meeting schedule for 2026. Trustees, this is a discussion and possible action item. I'll now hand it over to Dr. Andrea Norman. At the December 10th, 2025 organizational meeting of the board of trustees, the 2026 schoolboard meeting schedule was approved. The approved 2026 school board meeting schedules attached as exhibit A. Staff would like to request that the board of trustees consider moving the February 4th, 2026 special meeting, which is our governance team workshop, to a later date in February, preferably a Saturday. This would allow the board more time and a greater opportunity to participate in the governance workshop. Potential dates include the 7th, the 14th, which would probably not be very popular, the 21st, or the
11128th. And so, um, I'll turn it back over to you, President Ward. So, there, um, this is a time for public comment. There are no blue cards. Uh, trustees, do you have any questions? Trustee Rawlings. um what is the proposed time frame that we're looking at on a Saturday? >> In our discussion with our facilitator, it could be um minimum of two hours typically. I think people would max out by six hours, but it gives us that flexibility to go beyond just the two hours. People are fresher on a Saturday and it's not so late in the evening. And so that's the idea behind moving into a Saturday. a point of uh personal privilege. Can we look at our phones and kind of look at those and have those dates again so we can kind
112of confer? >> Okay. >> Yeah. Can we have the dates again? >> Sure. The 7th uh the 14th, the 21st or the 28th? >> 14th. >> The 14th, the 21st or the 28th. >> Correct. And that's President's weekend on the 14th, I believe. >> President Ward, can I ask another question? Yes. Um, >> so I understand that we would be fresher, but I'm I'm a little um confused by your comment that it would go two hours, but up to six hours. Is there a reason why we couldn't do that still on the um on the date that's already set? >> We could do it on the date, but we would we would probably not go as long. The idea was instead of having potentially multiple sessions, which was my understanding that had happened in the
113past, was to have one session longer probably than two hours, I wouldn't recommend going on beyond six. So somewhere maybe four. >> That's my point is that what um what's the limitation of the two hours? I I'm not clear on that. >> There isn't that's just what is currently set aside is I would think it would be at least two hours, probably more. And the reason I'm asking this question is because our our um most of our meetings go well beyond two hours that we have on Wednesdays. So I'm I'm >> I'm wondering why we're the limitation. Is it the facilitator or is it the >> No, it's not theire facilitator. We just thought that if it is end ends up being say a six-h hour session that that takes us pretty late into the
114evening rather than having it on a Saturday where we would have it we'd start in the morning be done by early afternoon. >> Trusty Verbath, >> I have one of those dates that's available for me. >> What date? >> The 28th. >> Okay. I can do the 28th. >> I have all of them available. I need to do more things apparently [laughter] >> and and I only have the seventh available. >> Okay. >> So, I have a question. Um are there could we potentially do it later so we can have everybody there? >> So, say in March, >> we could certainly look at March. We'd have to go back with the consultant and see if they're available in March. >> Okay. Trusty Amry >> with that. I think there are some things that um benefit
115from some kind of simmer time. So, >> point of order. Are we are we in discussion? >> Yes. >> Okay. I didn't hear that. >> Are you asking a question? >> A question. Okay. I'm sorry. Very good. Thank you. Um, so would it still be possible with that to keep the February 4th and possibly put a hold on a future date in March so we can kind of get an overview, simmer, look at and then if we need more time, book that. Would that be a possibility? I believe that would be a possibility. Yes, >> President Ward >> any do you agree or do you >> Yeah, I mean [laughter] >> I was just going to say point of order because we're we're going into discussion and we there are questions and then we have
116discussion. Thank you. >> Got it. Understood. Okay. Trustee Verbath, >> can you explain again why we're not doing it on February 4th? We're we're adding to it. >> I'm trying. I'm confused. >> So, the consultant believes that it's going to take longer than the time allotted. >> And how much time is that that's been allotted on the fourth or currently we have two hours? >> Can we give it a go and try? >> Yeah, that's what Trusty Emry is suggesting as well. I I second that. Right. But we're not discussing it. >> Can I second that? >> Okay, I'll wait. >> Okay. All right. So, uh, so may I have a motion to review? Wait. May I have a motion to have the special meeting for the governance team workshop on February 4th and possibly
117look at later a later date in March if needed. >> So moved. [cough] >> Second. >> Yeah, we can discuss. >> Discussion. Baseball season has started for me. So, I am not coming in March >> and and I'm not interested in doing it on a Saturday. I mean, we we do a meeting once a month and I've been doing these meetings for 11 years and and twice a month sometimes. And I think we're very capable of conducting ourselves and having a meeting on a Wednesday. And I do think that the the general public um is aware that we have our meetings on Wednesdays. So, if they did want to attend and they want to be um if they want to watch that meeting that they could expect that and they may have baseball or soccer
118or whatever on the Saturday and they wouldn't be able to participate otherwise. So, I I'm not in favor of con of holding a meeting on a Saturday. I would be interested in maybe adding an an additional Wednesday in March. I would be okay with that, but I'm I would not be in favor of a Saturday. >> Okay. Um, so just a question for you, Trustee Rawlings, but you in the past when when it was a different board, we did do Saturday meetings >> that I think we only did Saturday meetings when we were >> assessing the superintendent, but I don't think for governance. We've only done Wednesday meetings for governance. >> No. And and again, I want to chime in on what you just said that those were for when um uh for hiring superintendent
119and for um uh for superintendent evaluations. We've done um Saturdays in the past, but we've never done an open meeting on a Saturday that I'm aware of in the last 11 years. >> Trusty Emory, >> I I hear you and I think it is a great valid point that, you know, most of the public knows that we hold the meetings on Wednesdays. Um, I have no idea if 6 PM is the optimal start time or, you know, I know a lot of times we close start our close sessions at five if there's any wiggle room there. But I do want to just, you know, besides being able to be available for the public, you know, we also just talked about how much more work this is and that we do have to give up that
120time sometimes and that, you know, if this is important work that we're doing, we might need to be flexible um, in those circumstances. Well, I think we can be flexible on that Wednesday and I'm more willing to stay longer on that Wednesday. >> Is it a possibility that we do go with that Wednesday and the and see if we can fulfill it within the two hours? However, if we can't maybe do do the 28th, Trusty Rawlings, are you able to move things around for that 28th if we don't finish? I still haven't heard I've heard the superintendent say we have two hours, but we can go up to six hours. And so I'm I'm trying to figure out this two-hour limitation that we're kind of putting on ourselves. And I didn't hear that it was
121the consultant. I didn't hear that it was um you know that that we had a reason why we couldn't go beyond the two hours. So So I haven't I guess to be honest with you and and kind of what you were saying um Trusty for Beth is that I haven't heard a compelling reason why a Saturday is so important. I I haven't heard that it's, you know, what what are we what are we going to have on the agenda that's so important that we um that is going to be um well beyond our capacity to to do the work. So that's what I'm I'm trying to figure out what's what's so important to do that. >> My understanding is it it definitely is going to take two hours, but it's probably at least is what
122>> it is what is being shared. That's what I'm hearing. We're not limited to the two hours on Wednesday. It's just after a full workday and then going into say a four or six hour meeting. People aren't usually in the same condition they are at 9:00 a.m. on a Saturday morning. >> I'm sorry, >> Trusty Amry. >> Are we able to start that at 5 or slightly earlier? And then if possible, would there be any um opposition to if we want to pause and put a pin in it? because I think we all know after a certain time we we all start making mistakes and this is a very important one that we want to make sure um that we could book another Wednesday like you said and add another Wednesday meeting. Would that be
123>> Go ahead, Trusty Rollings. >> Um what do we what do we I mean what is the plan for the meeting I guess is where I'm at because I'm I mean I'm assuming we're going to look at the governance handbook and do some updates. Right. >> Well, I I I so from what I remember, I think we only got through page one the last time we were going through that governance handbook. And so that's what we're doing for this workshop is we are going through the handbook. And so I just want to make sure that I want to come on a Saturday. Well, I don't want to come on a Saturday, but I want to come on a Saturday to make sure that we get that work done because I I did feel some pressure
124and trying to like get through those parts of the um handbook and we, you know, we we did have some disagreements and we're trying to get through it and so I just want to make sure there's some comfort in when we're tackling something that's big like that. So, so with that said, um I think one one of the issues that because um I do recall that the meetings were going on and we had some issues, but um people weren't um I guess front-loaded on what the expectation was that if you want changes to the handbook that you should review it and you should bring that to the meeting. Um number one, and then number two, we did a lot of that work the last meeting. So, I'm not sure there's going to be this huge
125workload of governance of to work on the governance handbook. So, I mean, I was expecting that we're going to do some additional governance work, but to me, if we're just doing the handbook and if we frontload and we say, "Hey, trustees, we need you to bring, you know, any changes that you'd like to see in the handbook." And we move it from there, I don't see why we couldn't get that done in a um in a reasonable period of time on a Wednesday. Trusty Amry, I seem to remember, and this was a while ago, that there were supposed to be some changes that we were going to be brought back and some um things that we had discussed that were going to be kind of wordsmith and brought back and we never quite got to
126that point. And so, this would be the next jumping off. So, not that we finished, but we put a pin in a few things. And so I want to make sure that, you know, we've already left it for this long that if it does require our time and attention and, you know, we're not able to get through it in hopefully two hours. No one's asking for longer meetings here that we would be flexible enough to propose another date after that. >> Trusty Verbath, I agree with Trusty Rawlings. I think we've done a lot of work on the handbook. I think we've beat it to death and I don't need to beat it anymore and I'd like to frontload it and just get it beforehand, have all our corrections and spend 30 minutes talking about it
127if we have to and then move on. >> Okay. Any other discussion? Trustee Rawlings, >> is there anything else that is planned for that evening except for the governance handbook >> currently? That's what we have on the agenda. >> So that's it. Okay, thank you. >> Any other Oh, I should have said point of order. [laughter] >> Okay. Um, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Can Sorry, can you Sorry. Yes. I'm sorry. So the motion is to have the special meeting for the governance team workshop on February 4th, but to possibly extend Yeah, possibly extend it if we need to at a later date. That's what we're voting on. Okay. >> Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trustee Rawlings. >> Yes. Trusty Verbath. >> Yes. >> Trusty COC. >> Yes. >>
128Trustee Emory. >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We will now skip over part 11, personnel services. As we do not have any items on the agenda under this section, we'll now move on to part 12, instructional services. Agenda 12.1, approval of LCAP educational partner engagement survey tool and proposed LCAP engagement timelines. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Brian Brockett. >> Thank you, President Ward and trustees. Uh, as you're aware, the local control accountability plan, also known as the LCAP, is a required three-year plan that describes the goals, actions, services, and expenditures to support positive student outcomes that address state and local priorities with a specific focus on improving outcomes for students with the greatest needs, including
129English learners, low-income students, and foster youth. I want to thank our LCAP board subcommittee members, trustees Ward and Emory, for their input in advance of this meeting. As we've done annually in preparation for the development of the LCAP, we've created a draft of the LCAP educational partner engagement survey which is scheduled to be distributed in February to families, staff, students, and community members. The LCAP survey will again this year be offered on the thought exchange platform. The survey is one tool used to collect critical feedback that will assist the board and staff in refining the 2026 27 LCAP goals. We've also prepared a proposed LCAP engagement timeline for the development of the 2627 LCAP. Uh the proposed timeline includes collecting feedback from multiple standing consultation groups and community partners. The results from the survey along
130with the feedback from standing consultations will be analyzed during the March 25th, 2026 board study session. Um, at this time it is respectfully recommended that the board approve the LCAP educational partner engagement survey tool exhibit A and the LCAP engagement timeline exhibit B. And with that recommendation, I'll hand it back to President Ward and I welcome any questions that trustees may have. >> This is a time for public comment. We have no blue cards. Trustees, do you have any questions? >> Trustee Rawlings. >> Yes. um the date for the end of this survey and I'm trying to find it here. Um is there any reason why it cannot be extended? >> Uh there is no reason should trustees wish it to be extended. This uh this schedule that's reflected on there mirrors uh the schedule
131last year with just adjustments you know of one day for start and end date. >> Any other questions? Trusty Verbbeth, can you explain how the district utilizes stakeholder feedback um in setting goals and priorities in the school district? >> Yeah, so as I mentioned, we'll bring uh both the survey results and the feedback from the the consultation groups uh forward to trustees during that uh study session, the LCAP study session later in the spring. um when we do our work uh as as a team here to develop our goals and success indicators uh make refinements to those and make refinements to the actions and services in the in the LCAP itself. So I I think that we have a number of examples over the years um of of feedback that has been received from the
132public that trustees um have heard and and uh prioritized uh in uh in setting those goals and setting those actions that are in the LCAP. Um, so I think that, you know, overall we we bring that back and we'll we'll share in public session what that feedback is. Um, and then that helps inform trustees as as you are prioritizing as a team um, where we want to prioritize our our efforts and our our dollars in the years ahead. >> Go ahead. >> So then how do we then communicate back to our stakeholders? Obviously they can watch a meeting, right? Do we um give them any kind of feedback so they can see this is what your priorities were. These are the priorities that we've presented um to the board that we're considering. This is our
133budget. Say they want smaller class sizes, right? That came up. So why aren't we able to achieve that? And do we give them that kind of feedback so they don't think that we're just collecting this data and not listening to them? >> Yeah, I think that's a fantastic question. It's something we've talked about as a team. um in our instructional services team that will be, you know, working on the staff end to do that development. Um, one of the ways that we're going to we're going to try to get at that is to with the information that we're going to to frontload um to the community when we do our uh our outreach. Um uh we're putting working on putting together sort of an LCAP newsletter, if you will, um that will provide some of
134that background information about the goals that have set. Maybe not to the degree that you're specifically asking about there because we're trying to, you know, put a one-pager together on that. Um, but I think that we would certainly welcome the opportunity um to both in in public here and through other communications be able to communicate that information out. Um and once we reach a point where um where you know trustees have approved um those plans that LCAP moving forward um we certainly may want to then look at what things you know we were able to uh address uh that we received in feedback and if there are things that we aren't able to address for some reason I think that we would certainly welcome the opportunity. I think it would be uh it would be
135good practice for uh us as a as a district staff and and trustees to uh find a way to communicate that information out um about you know what did we hear and and what are we able to do and sometimes there's things that we aren't able to do um and and that's part of part of the way it works but I think it's it's fair to find good ways to communicate that with our community as well. Trusty Rawlings. >> Um, as a followup as well, you had stated that the surveys are meant to inform the board, but oftentimes, um, staff will receive it and then the recommendations don't change. So, if when we're getting feedback from the public, will the staff take that into consideration and will it inform the recommendations they provide to the
136board before we start making decisions? >> Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I think it's a I certainly think it's an it's an [laughter] interactive I I I think I envision this and and again I'm new to this role and and taking this leadership but I certainly view it as an interactive process as we move forward. Um I think that we certainly all owe it to our community to hear that feedback um and uh and then you know consider where we prioritize based on our greatest needs. Um, I think that one of the things that's important to remember with the LCAP is the role that the LCAP uh the LCAP plays in in terms of, as I mentioned, um, sort of the focus on students with the greatest needs. Um, I know that, uh, you know, one of
137the things that we we know is that people when they're responding to the survey, they bring their perspective, right? they have their experience um in that and and so it it's possible that someone might provide some feedback that that is you know certainly valid from their um perspective but maybe doesn't align with some of the greatest areas of needs. Um, so I think that that's where, you know, as we make recommendations, I think what I'm hearing is perhaps some of the rationale for for where those recommendations are coming from. Um, and and rationale perhaps for other areas that we might not be able to address and that may better help the board uh, you know, make determinations about where to prioritize its uh, its focus. >> Trusty Verbath, it's a different question. So, >> Okay.
138Is it possible with this thought exchange that we could start developing perhaps feedback that's not quote reasonable? for instance, a new pool or a football team at a certain high school or you know things like how do we categorize reasonable and with the thought exchange is it possible that other people see that idea and jump on the bandwagon and say oh yeah I I want to have a hot coffee cart with lattes and smoothies and you know like how do we categorize reasonable th >> those are all perfectly reasonable uh ideas Um but but they but they also may not align with with the priorities set forth both in in the state priorities outlined in the LCAP, the local priorities that we that we've identified as a district. Um so should you know trustees decide
139that a a a goal and success indicator for us would be fresh coffee uh available via the coffee cart at the schools certainly that's uh because that was the feedback that was received. I'm not sure back to Trusty Raw's question that that would be staff's recommendation. Um, however, uh, that's again part of that iterative process of what we do. So yes, I mean people will bring different ideas to the four there. Um, and I think it's important for us to continually go back to what the purpose of the LCAP is, what what our greatest needs are uh, in our district and what resources we have to be able to get at those needs. Um, and certainly, uh, I think that I can envision a scenario where should, you know, coffee carts become the the thing
140that, uh, trustees are driving for, um, I I hope that I'm doing my job as a professional to try to point out that we perhaps have, um, greater, uh, needs in the district than that. >> I might visit more schools though, >> Trusty Rawlings. um the um the plan itself or the survey talks about three years yet we do this every year and there's a cycle and that we sometimes make significant changes within the year is how does that work? >> Yeah, it's a it's a good question. It's a it's a little bit confusing because there is a there is a three-year cycle for kind of the the the big level LCAP that we've we've established, but needs and goals and and priorities can change, right? It's a it's a it's sort of a strategic
141plan, if you will, and within that that plan that lasts over three years. Um I it's important for us to be responsive to changing needs. Um and and making sure that we're doing our due diligence both as a staff and as a board to uh to review what those changing needs are. Uh make any modifications that are needed to address um areas of need. Um, and as you're aware, trustees, you know, have uh have consistently, you know, focused when we think about like our our goals, we're consistently focused on those important areas of academic achievement. But trustees have brought to the four um different areas of focus um from from year to year uh and made kind of minor tweaks um to what our goals are and what we're trying to get after from year
142to year. And I think that's that's an appropriate part of the LCAP process as we move forward. and it allows us that opportunity to hear from our uh our educational partners and our community on a on an ongoing basis as well. >> Um what is our three-year cycle then? >> We are in year two of the three-year cycle. So last year's LCAP, there was actually a new whole new uh template last year that was brought forward. So it was a complete kind of um refresh of the LCAP if you will. We're currently in year two of that cycle. Um, so we'll, you know, take input again this year, make modifications. Um, we'll have another year and then, u,, you know, knowing, uh, the state of California, I'm sure there'll be a new template the year
143after that, and we'll, we'll start fresh again and, uh, and revamp, uh, what we're doing with with a continued focus, as we've had consistently on, you know, primarily on that those student outcomes and and, uh, really making an impact for our students, uh, that that, you know, we want to support with the greatest air growth. Um, in that case, wouldn't it make sense, and I know other districts do this, is they work within their three-year cycle and then so they change their approach on year one of the three-year cycle and then they just make the tweaks um small tweaks in between. Do you see that as a a better approach or just kind of kind of starting from scratch year over year? >> I I think that really actually does reflect kind of what we
144the approach that we've taken. I don't don't think we've made uh historically. Again, I'm I've been in the district for a while, uh, but not leading this initiative, but I I don't Maybe Dr. N can talk to I don't think we're making wholesale revisions each year. I I think I would I would categorize more as making, uh, minor adjustments to to where we're going, what our focus, what our perhaps what our uh our goal, like our our our success indicator might be for the level we're trying to reach. Um and and so I I don't think that we've made wholesale changes um uh as we've gone uh throughout the process uh historically in this district. >> Any other questions? Okay. May I have a motion? May I have a motion for the board? Sorry, [laughter]
145I know. May I have a motion for the board to approve the LCAP educational partner engagement survey exhibit A and the LCAP engagement timeline exhibit B. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Trustee Emory made the motion. Trustee seconded the motion. Discussion. Trustee Rawlings. >> Thank you. I wanted to see if um if there were any objections to potentially extending the um survey timeline. Um it does go over a four a um a 4-day weekend. And I think people may, you know, the first chunk and then they'll forget about it and then I don't think there's enough time and I would like to get as much um response of response as possible. And um uh and President Ward, I'm not sure would there need to be an amendment to the motion if um if uh I
146have agreement from the um from my colleagues or can there just be direction to staff? >> I think just direction to staff. >> Okay. Then if there's >> Can can you be more specific on how long you would like to extend it? Are you saying just through the next weekend or? >> Yeah, I would like to do it's um February 27th is when it closes and I'd like to see it go an additional week. >> Can you give the date? >> So it goes February 9th >> to February 27th. Um I don't know the I don't know that. >> So what date would you want it to go to? >> The the Friday the the Friday in March, whatever that is of the following month. I don't know. I don't remember what the date is.
147>> Okay. >> Oh, thank you. >> So February 9th to March six. >> So, I just want to see if there's any objections to that or >> I Well, I have a question of staff about the extension of the date. Can I ask that? >> Yes, you can. Thank you. Staff, do you have any problems with that looking at the date of our study session at the end of March? >> Yeah, it definitely tightens up the timeline um on uh that study session at the end of March. Uh but that being said, if I think if trustees value the extended time to to gather that feedback, uh we'll make it work to uh gather that information together and get it ready for the study session. >> Would it would it be easier to pull it
148back? So start earlier and end at the same time. >> I can certainly do that because assuming trustees are uh approve the survey, we we can get it ready to go out. Yeah, definitely earlier if that >> and that's before [clears throat] a 4 day the weekend that you're talking about, right, Trusty Rawlings? >> Yes. I I just wanted um a longer period before the 4-day weekend was really [snorts] what I was looking or more time after. So, I I just wanted more time so um around the 4-day weekend so people would be focused on it and we'd get more responses. So, that's was my goal. >> So, that might be better because it'll give you more time. >> Yeah. February 2nd, for example, if we moved it up a week, that would that would
149be feasible. Absolutely. >> So, is that I guess so. Yeah. objections to that. >> Right. >> Perfect. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> And then I had one other discussion point. Um and I did want to say that um the reason I was um asking about the three-year cycle is that often times it's much easier to complete a task or to or to really get the data you want within a three-year period. But when we're if we're changing things year-over-year, and I do agree with staff, our goals haven't changed, but our success indicators have, which does refocus staff and our and then then that refocuses um uh that refocuses um actions and services and dollars. And so I would like to see us potentially move to a and we don't have to make that
150decision today. It's just for discussion purposes. I would love to see us move into more of a three-year cycle to where we are kind of making small changes. um you know year-over-year, but then that three-year when our our first year, that's when we do the big chunk and we can really, you know, maybe make some big shifts in priorities and those types of things. But I do think kind of doing this year-over-year, I think it it lose helps us lose a little bit of focus on what we're really trying to achieve. So that's from my perspective and I just wanted to throw that out there. >> I I fully agree with you. I think as a board we need to know that, but I think it's also beneficial to gather that input. um you know
151from the public at the same time. So are you suggesting not doing the yearly thought exchange or moving to a three-year or >> No, no. What I'm saying is is that um that we would maybe even change up the thought exchange to during the second and third year that we would maybe change up the thought exchange to um to be more aligned with what we've what is already in place rather than saying hey what you know what do you want to talk about right and then year one when we're going into year one of a three-year cycle that's when we would say hey what do you think about our district you see what I'm saying that we're keeping our community focused in on what the LCAP is doing now >> to help guide our decisions
152rather than making wholesale changes. >> Yeah. >> You know, because other districts do that, too, like Vista, they, you know, they're on a three-year, they make small tweaks. They still get input to see how they're doing, but they it's a um I think Oceanside does it, too, where it's a where they really um they really try to stick with a three-year, you know, package and then they go to a potentially a completely different three-year package. So, something to think about. >> Yeah. I think that would be great to look at potentially for the future. I'm not sure that the thought exchange platform would work for that. Mhm. Uh, trustee COC. >> Uh, and what I want to make sure I'm understanding what you're saying that we maybe start with the the broad and these are
153the things that people want and then the following two years are more like how do you feel like we're doing with these things that you requested us to work towards? >> Yes. And then also um are we measuring it appropriately? You know, so so we want to get to here. Do you think the way we're measuring it could that be tweaked a bit or something along those lines? But we still want to try to get there, you know, in that in the three-year. >> Yeah, I I think we should consider that later in the future for sure. Um I think something else, you know, kids are in different grades every year, too, so potentially the wants and needs are different as well. So, um yeah, that might change something to consider. Okay. Any other discussion?
154>> Do we need to request staff to make some um put some thought into how we could make those assessments if we wanted to go that route? You were saying the thought exchange may not lend itself to the subsequent years. >> I think potentially that could be something that we look at later since we're in the third year right now or second year. Thank you. So after the three-year cycle, maybe that's something we discuss. >> But just to confirm this thought, this thought exchange is for the third year, >> right? Right. Yeah. Because that'll be because we're in the middle of the second year. So Yes. Right. Right. >> So that's why I brought it up because it's like we're going to be go, you know, this will be our third year. >> We're looking
155at 2027, >> right? The 2027 cycle would be the thing that, you know, you may want to consider, >> you know, really making, you know, potentially looking at wholesale changes, you know, and and um and then that could be a different process. I that's what I was kind of bringing up with staff. Right. >> Okay. All right. Any other discussion? Okay. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty Rawlings. >> Yes. >> Trusty Verbath. >> Yes. >> Trusty Ciosci. >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory. >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward. >> Yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> I had a request for a restroom break. So, five minutes. See you all back here at 8:20. We are okay. We're doing it. We're back. >> We're back. >> Okay. All right. Thank you everybody. We
156are now back and we will be moving on to part 13, board policies. Agenda item 13.1, revision of board policy 0441, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Brian Brockett. >> Thank you again, President Ward. Um, board policy 0441 is actually a new policy that was developed by the California School Boards Association earlier this year. This policy on artificial intelligence provides principles for the district regarding the use of artificial intelligence by students and staff and requires the superintendent to ensure that the use of AI is consistent with district policy. I want to I know there's a lot of interest in this and I want to emphasize that this policy is designed to provide broad principles for the district regarding artificial intelligence addressing such areas as
157ethical use, accountability, security, regular evaluation, and assurances that the use of AI does not conflict with existing board policies as it relates to specific applications across grade levels and specific strategies related to AI use uh education and training. staff would continue its work uh within the parameters of the proposed policy to collaborate with teachers, students, and families to develop working guidelines. Uh it's respectfully recommended that the board of trustees review the board policy 0441 and approve as a first reading. And with that recommendation, I'll hand it back to President Ward. And I welcome any questions that the trustees may have. >> This is a time for public comment. We have one blue card. When I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether or not you live within the
158boundaries of the school district. You will have three minutes. We will have the timer on the screen, and your mic will be muted when your time ex has expired. The first speaker is Chris W. Hi, my name is Chris Widlick. I'm a resident of the district and have two students um that are within CUSD. So, first of all, I would like to thank staff um for proposing this policy. Um I think it's a great first step. Um and this is an emerging area, education and artificial intelligence that none of us thought we'd have to think about 15 20 years ago or even maybe five years ago. Um and not every district has even gotten to this stage where they're considering policies. Um dish I'd like to thank Dr. Rocket um after I sent an initial
159email back in the fall um raising some just general concerns with AI and in different aspects of the school, he took the time to speak with me on multiple occasions um and not only seemed to want to be willing to dive into the weeds, but seemed almost excited to dive into the weeds. But I think that's really what's needed here um as you guys deal with different potential benefits and challenges in this area. Now turning to the policy itself, um I'm generally favorable and support the policy. As I said, I think it's a great first step. I think it touches at least on the themes of many of the issues I raised in my initial email and talked with Dr. Brockett about as well as some of the other issues that I know other parents
160have raised about AI in the district. Um now on the other side it is very broad I think as Dr. Brockett alluded to. Um so really my ask I guess for the board here um would be twofold. Um first um this is an emerging area. uh the intersection of AI and education is going to continually change. So I would hope that this is a policy that gets slated for maybe annual review or every couple year review rather than just put on the shelf and and nobody looks at it for 1015 years. Um additionally I think as again Dr. Rocket alluded to implementation is going to be the key here and I'm really hopeful that the school board will provide through its oversight function. Um maybe a little additional eyes and attention on this policy. Um
161because while we have now some broad um policy themes that'll guide decisions for staff as they go through this, there's still going to be those specific questions of what does what should AI use look like for elementary school kids on school owned devices? um what programs are going to be provided to teachers to help separate student created work product from AI created work product which I'm now hearing even elementary school teachers are having to deal with. Um again not something we thought would be an issue five years ago but additionally there's also benefits and I think it'll be good for the district to start looking for beneficial ways proactively for AI to be implemented. So while I think there's some challenges and benefits with AI, um I think the key is really going to be
162after this first step, those next steps. Um so this doesn't just become a paper policy, but is really something that can guide Carl'sbad Unified in the future as it thinks about AI. Thank you. >> Okay, trustees, do you have any questions? Trustee Verbbeth you >> do you happen to know if C CSBA consulted with teachers who are working in the classrooms? >> I I don't know their what their process was for developing this policy. I I will say that we have plans to expand our efforts in that area um as we move forward and in diving into that that the application piece of AI. >> Excellent. And as a followup, have did CSBA also consult, I'm assuming, with attorneys? >> Yeah, it it part of their process, I do know, uh is to is to
163consult with legal counsel um as it relates to the policies that they're developing. So, we do have confidence when we uh when we go to CSBA to uh for language on board policies that that that uh aspect is being vetted. >> I had a question. Did you have a follow-up? Okay, go ahead. >> My followup then would be then are we comfortable as a district res just relying on the attorneys that have consulted with CSBA or do we also consult with our own? >> Uh it depends on on what questions arise out of a specific uh you know policy uh that we give. Sometimes that would be the practice and other times we don't we haven't felt like that's necessary. So in this case with AI >> we have not at this point done so
164no. Yeah. No you're [laughter] >> trusty Rawlings. >> Thank you. Um when we talk about CSBA oftentimes when they give us language they'll also give us the rationale page and they'll give us you know lengthy um reasons why they're doing certain policies. Um, did you review that and can you give us some insight of of what led to this policy through CSBA? >> Yeah, I don't have that information in front of me right now. I mean, in general terms, obviously, this is a hot topic. We've heard about it uh in in this boardroom previously. Um, and uh it's something that we're uh we're dealing with and schools across the state and country are dealing with in classrooms right now. Um so I think that you know from from that standpoint it's an emerging area uh
165of need that uh CSBA saw an area for um for uh some uh focus. Uh and I beyond that I I can't I can't recall the specific you know rationale but I'd be certainly happy to follow up with trustees with that information uh after the meeting. >> Is that a follow-up? Okay. I have a question. Is that a follow-up? >> I just wanted to ask Dr. Norman, are you aware of any um the the guiding pa? I forget what they call it, but they always provide a guiding page of when they recommend a policy. Do we have something like that? >> Yes. >> Okay. I had a question. So, you know, we heard the speaker talk about the implementation, the action pieces that would be around this board policy. Um, and so can you create
166um an AR if there's no board policy or do you need would this board policy being in place give you the opportunity to create administrative regulation? So there could be some teeth around the implementation. >> So that's a great question. So so generally no there would not be an an administrative regulation without a board policy to guide that. Um that being said, the work that's been done to this point uh within our standing technology advisory committee within the district that includes um district and site um staff and students uh has been around um has been around sort of building out and and and thinking about what that application piece looks like. That that is sort of similar to what a an AR is, if you will, right? An AR is the application piece of of
167the policy. Um, so that work has been ongoing based on feedback that we've received already. Um, we're we're sort of taking some of that work out of out of the tech advisory committee. Um, and uh building out a more robust opportunity for uh for a wider swath of staff um students and community members to be able to provide input. Um, Director Allen is currently working on a plan that we're scheduled to talk about tomorrow um for what that will look like, what the timeline will look like. Um but similar to other uh types of committees that we've convened at a district level um it would provide an opportunity for uh for folks to uh give input to hear what the what the working is uh the plan is in the district um and to help
168us formulate something uh as sort of an a an action plan moving forward if you will related to AI that uh that uh has input from those constituencies. So, just to follow up on that, um, so I appreciate that you're doing that. And if you do from your stakeholder input get some new information, could there be some I mean, we could always bring this board policy back and do some alterations to it if we needed to or you could um also change the AR. Is that correct? >> Yeah. Yeah, you're absolutely correct. there there is not currently CSBA has not developed a recommended AR for this board policy and and that is the practice sometimes that there's a policy I I think that that when I read this policy what I see are are very
169highlevel principles related to uh artificial intelligence um and ensuring as I mentioned you know security ethical use etc how those things get implemented um and educated and taught to students and expectations for staff that's a whole other level. Um, but as you referenced, certainly at any point we can bring back board policies should trustees have a desire to make uh updates to those policies long. >> Okay. I'm sorry, one more followup. Um, so with the AR, um, you just mentioned CSBA hasn't put anything out about that. So, do you know like what a timeline would be that you would create an AR if this was to pass? >> Uh, we I don't currently have a timeline on that. Um I certainly we would welcome direction from trustees if if you're interested in sort of memorializing
170that. I think, you know, part of what we've done with our technology is we have, as we reviewed a couple months ago, um our our technology strategic plan. Um AI is is referenced and is a part of that strategic plan. And I think we've we've viewed to this point sort of the development of of how we implement and put guard rails around AI uh and educate and and train around AI as sort of a a part of uh a part of that strategic plan. But we can certainly uh we're we're open to input on on how trustees would like to see us uh implement and communicate that information as well if different ideas. >> Okay. Uh Trustee Rawlings, >> thank you. Um would it be possible to do the committee work that you're talking about
171and get input locally from teachers and other stakeholders um without this policy? >> Yes. I mean, uh, AI is is out there right now. Um, as the speaker referenced, um, it's, you know, it's it's here. Um, so I think that we we see the need to do that work. Um, again, sort of as we viewed it, tied to our strategic plans and goals that this board has set forth related to technology. Um, it's a it's certainly a big part of that right now. Um, so so the an the simple answer is yes, we would continue down that road. Um, I think the benefit of of the board considering policy at this time is that it does sort of set those uh that that umbrella um to help you know focus and guide that work a
172little bit more clearly. >> Trusty Verbath >> kind of a followup to Trusty Rawlings. So, how often are teachers right now receiving professional development and having discussions around AI? It's a great question. It's it's there's been a variety of opportunities both uh district provided professional development as well as at the site level with some of our our various site teams or our uh tech coaches at the site level um that we support. I I don't have a a specific number off the top of my head. Um but there has been uh I would say a number of opportunities. We had some uh both at our uh August PD days this year as well as our um uh as well as our uh November uh professional development day for teachers. There were some AI components built
173in there. Um and then again at the site level, but I I don't have a complete catalog of those opportunities. And as a followup to that, um, the reason I'm asking it, would it would you recommend that we I like this speaker's recommendation that we because AI is changing so rapidly like tomorrow. Would you recommend that we update this policy every six months or every year based on that professional development and the amount of time it takes for those teachers to get back to us and give us some significant information about how it's working in the classroom? >> Yeah, I think that's a a good thought. Uh I I also would suggest that that good policy is written on a level that that uh accounts for some of those changes as they take place over
174time. Um and so I think that's one thing I would consider is certainly um this could be we could you know as a part of our regular review of our our technology plan and the work that's done through our standing technology advisory committee do regular review of that and and and receive input. Um but again when we talk about board policy I I think that we want to we want to think about umbrella that allows us to um you know to to move within a changing environment sometimes um and hopefully uh hopefully is thoughtful enough uh to to capture sort of the differing components and allow us to adjust to to changes on the ground over time as well. >> Yeah, that makes sense. So that's why it's so broad and then the AR would
175give it some teeth. Thank you. >> Go ahead, Trusty Emmy. >> Thank you. Um, just kind of looking at the timeline because I and correct me if I'm wrong here. I don't know if the committee would be then ever changing kind of ever evolving, but would any of this is anything in AI um and is there a timeline then because the responsible use forms that we push out at the beginning of every year, is that already in there? Does that create kind of a timeline for us in some regard? um or is it something we need to add in um for the upcoming school year? >> Yeah, I I think that that the the use of AI if if you read our acceptable use policy um again being a policy that that is sufficiently kind
176of broad enough to capture a variety of different technological uses that a that a student uh might employ. Um I think that it it largely captures that. As you'll notice in the policy here, um there's reference to ensuring that the pol that this policy doesn't come into conflict or it aligns with some of the other policies around um academic honesty, for example, and some other areas. Um and and so some of the work that you know we would continue to do, we're we're confident right now that those those things mesh. Um we'd want to be reviewing those on a on a regular basis as well to ensure that they continue to do so. But I I do believe that, you know, generally speaking, the the uh acceptable use policy is in alignment with this policy
177um as it's presented right now. >> Any other questions? Okay, I had one. Um so with this board policy, um you can and once you you're going to start getting stakeholder input, sounds like you're those are in motion now. And with that you can start right away on the implementation in the AR. Is that correct? >> Yeah, I think it provides a good guide uh good good guide for us to continue forward um in the work again that's already happening because it gives some of those parameters that the board has uh you know should the board approve the policy has kind of given a stamp of approval to make assuring that we are looking at these areas. the the the areas that are included in the policy are are consistent with considerations that have already
178been undertaken in the tech advisory committee. Okay. But I do think it helps um it helps uh send you know a message as well that we we've got some clarity around the areas that we're concerned about with relation to AI and then certainly as that work continues forward um I think that we want to ensure that we're one keeping trustees uh ab breast of of the progress in that area but also we've talked at great length about um informing our community. Um it's it's one of the the pieces of follow-up conversation that the speaker and I had uh about a couple times I think is really ensuring that our community understands um what what is recommended or acceptable use what is not um what students have access to what they don't have access to um
179that goes along with informing students and really training students on ethical uh use of AI um and then also providing um further guidelines for teachers so that you know teachers know what the expectation is what's acceptable, what's not acceptable, what they can, you know, if they feel like, no, it's not appropriate for my class, I can draw back. Um, or if they're going to, if they're going to engage students in meaningful ways with with AI, that they have some clarity around the ways to go about doing that. >> So, the board policy will essentially let you start on that implementation. >> Yeah, I I think it I think it provides a a a clearer guide than we have right now. It's as as director Allen would say, it's it's the wild west right now with
180with AI. Um we were just having that conversation earlier today and and and the the policy certainly does help provide some clear guidelines about the areas that we need to assure that we're addressing as we move forward. >> Trust. >> Thank you. Um, I very much am in support of us getting something down and I appreciate that it is broad. It's hard to imagine much that we work within our district that is changing this rapidly and so I very much appreciate the comments the speaker made about it it not being looked at as kind of a one and done but our our policies need to be open to constantly evolving as needs arise because we don't know how technology is going to continue to morph what all of our lives look like. So, I appreciate
181that the district is being proactive and and trying to look at it as a positive thing, not something to be fearful of, but how can we use this to advance our students and be successful in all their endeavors? >> So, you were wondering that you're asking a question. >> Oh, it's a question. Yes. I was wondering how we can set that as part of this board policy that it's something that we will be reviewing and is this something that we would have a a regular timeline or is it when questions are brought to the board or to the staff? >> That's a thank you. That's a great question. And I we we have generally updated policies um as either as new updates come out and or as needs arise. Um and so um certainly should
182should trustees desire to bring this back um we can you know trustees can make the request to agendaize this um you know at future dates uh and certainly like I said as we think about the how we operationalize this um then that's where we'd certainly want to be providing updates as well. My hope would be that the that that a well-written policy, a well-drafted policy by CSBA helps give us again that that sort of umbrella. And it's really some of those other pieces about how do we apply those how do those things play out in practice um that that are really those everchanging pieces that we might want to have more of the ongoing conversation about. Um, Trustee Emry, uh, just from your kind of perspective of what you have going on behind the scenes,
183is there any benefit to waving a second read tonight or any detriment to, you know, um, not in that process of everything that you've been discussing? >> I I I I would defer to trustees on how you feel, how confident you feel about that. Think for me again the the work is is has been ongoing and will continue. Um I do think what I would envision um we we're we're trying to set up um for sometime in early February would be that first opportunity uh that first kind of advisory meeting if you will. Um and um and what I would envision should we approve the board policy tonight is that we would say um look here's where we are. We've our board has approved this and here's some of the work that we've done. Let's
184talk about how those things go hand inand moving forward. Um, should that not be the case, I can envision that we open that first meeting with, well, the board is considering [snorts] and bringing back for a second read at the next meeting uh the following policy and then we could kind of go at it from that angle. >> Oh, follow up. Yeah, to follow up on that, when is that um meeting that you're referring to? >> Is not scheduled as of today. Yeah. So, still still in progress. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> So, I had a question. So you mentioned a tech advisory committee and it which is made up of teachers correct? Uh it's been it's been uh teachers uh staff uh other classified staff uh like uh like our IATS um and district
185staff as and administrators >> and to follow up on that and have you been giving or have they been giving you input on you know the situations with AI what's happening in the classroom and do you feel like this board policy kind of encompasses some of those concerns? Yeah, I absolutely feel it does. We we've gotten input from a variety of of sources. Um, which has been great. We've, you know, we've gotten feedback from the tech advisory committee. Um, we've heard from from parents, uh, you know, multiple parents. Um, some of whom have come, uh, you know, before the board and we've had some follow-up with. Um, we've I've talked to teachers. Uh, Miss Marino is in the back row over there. She and I have talked about this, I think, at just about every
186meeting, uh, that we've had this year. um we you know trustees I know have received emails as well from from teachers um about this and and families and so yeah I think that that all of that uh all of that input is valuable to us because it helps gives us touch points of how people feel and we hope that as we move forward and and kind of move uh move that uh this conversation out of the tech advisory committee which has been a longstanding committee uh in in CUSD um and move it out kind of as a standalone for some greater conversation that that input continues and helps us really shape the direction that we go. >> Okay. Any other trustee rollings? >> Um can you show me where that input is reflected in this
187policy? >> Uh I I I like I can't specifically draw a line from point A to point B. Um I can tell you that when we let me pull it up here real quick. I don't have it up in front of me at the moment. Um I think that when I have spoken to um uh to teachers uh and parents uh about uh AI um I think that uh when I when I look at this I think that ethical use is a huge um factor that I hear. Um I think that um I think that being staff and student centered and I would add I would even add to what's here in terms of um one supporting digital citizenship and and literacy but also supporting literacy in ways that that aren't impacted by AI. I
188hear from both parents and families accountability and responsibility is a huge point of feedback that we've gotten across the board. Um, I think that, you know, for uh for folks that are more concerned about AI, perhaps the the access is not such an issue. Some sometimes it's less access, but but when we think about the the world that we live in and preparing students for the world that we live in today, um that access to AI and understanding those uses is important. We've talked recently about um data security um and data security obviously is a big uh factor in talking about AI and and what we're um putting in or not putting into systems. Um and then uh again professional development feeds right into uh an ongoing need that we recognize. Um we've talked about
189community engagement as it relates to um parent feedback to this point as well as um as well as our next steps to engage further. Um and then it it does mention here the continuous improvement and regularly evaluating the use of AI. So while it doesn't speak specifically about re revisiting the policy on a regular basis, um I think that we we definitely would agree that this is something that needs to be revisited. So I I to answer that question, yeah, I think all nine of the the the enumerated items in here um are are components in one way or another of conversations that we've had uh both at a staff level as well as uh engaging with our our partners. Go ahead. >> A follow to that. Um, were you did you have you taken
190the input that we've received locally and in our community and put it against kind of the the template from CSBA and kind of matched it up or, you know, has that work been done as far as kind of evaluating it based on local input? >> No, not specifically. And I think where we envision doing that is more on that on that application end of things as opposed to right here. Um, so no, as it relates to this document, we have not done that at this point. >> Oh, go ahead, Trust. >> Um, I wanted to make a motion. >> Okay. >> Um, I'd like to make a motion to table this policy until a future meeting in order to uh gather local feedback to inform the board. And >> I second that motion. >> Okay.
191discussion. Oh, I'm sorry that's not a discussion. >> Yeah, it Yeah. >> Oh, is it discussion? Oh, okay. Discussion. >> No. Um, the reason I'm asking to table it is is because um um we have heard from lots of parents and stakeholders and that sort of thing. And I would like um I would like to hear from them before I feel comfortable in approving some of this language. I was kind of going through it like, oh, I would, you know, I would change this based on what I've heard from folks. I would move this around and that type of um aspect. When I'm looking at this policy and I'm thinking, wait a minute, why don't we just take a, you know, take a deep breath. We know it's moving fast. I'd rather see us get
192it right the first time instead of having to come back and change it every 3 months or what have you. And and I agree. I think we do need to um have an ongoing continuum as far as potential change. Um, but I also think if we do get a local policy that works for Carl'sbad, I think we don't need to do that as often if we do it the first time. So that's why I'm asking to table it and for us to get the input from these committees that are already happening and are already planned to do so. That's why I I'm requesting to table it. >> Trusty Emory. >> Um, I think that any policy right now in place is better than not having one. Um so I think that you know under the
193umbrella like that is the most big you know kind of protection you know guidance that we have better than none and then I would like to see all of what you just said in the ARS and in the the actual policies. So this well if this is the policy I want to see it in those practices and those regulations um because I do feel like we have the opportunity for cracks and things to slip through if we don't have any policy at this moment and waiting until we come back. Um so I hear what you're saying and for the exact same reasons I just I personally feel like we can do both um have this and also address the community um and the teachers input. Trusty Verbat, >> I appreciate that feedback. Um, I think
194that as Dr. Brockett mentioned, we already AI's been here. We've been doing it and I think it can be we can wait a month and this committee could meet. They could look I think this provides a great framework from which to work from and then this committee could look at it. We could get some more feedback from teachers. They could look at it. It just gives us a little bit more time to have a second reading and to get that feedback and implement it. And if there are tweaks that need to be made, then we could do that. For instance, professional development, the district should provide. Well, we can provide, but a teacher that doesn't mean a teacher has to take the professional development or do would the committee recommend a different way to write
195that number seven? um where you know it you know you have a a broader reach rather than just an allocart menu where somebody has the opportunity to decide whether or not they want to to take the professional development. So I think it's worthy of having more eyes on this and getting some more feedback. So I'd like to wait. >> I I agree with Trusty Emmery. I I would like to see it move forward um because I have I I'm concerned that the implementation can't be jumped on and the administrative regulation can't be jumped on without this board policy and we know it's evolving constantly. So, I I think this is a board policy that's that's not going to be a paper policy as as one of our community members said. Um I think it's something
196that needs to be revisited and changed and evolved just like technology evolves. So, um yeah, I think it's important. Um go ahead. >> Along those same lines, we know for sure that this is vetted by some attorneys. Um although I completely value the input of the teachers and I live it, breathe it, see it changing, see how it's impacting your kids, you know, being in the classroom myself, having some guidance and then that you know is kind of you know has a litmus test to it um is really important and then develop using all the teachers like you said to develop what's underneath that and kind of get into the nitty-gritty um is equally as important but a separate entity. I agree with the importance of having a policy in place. I don't think waiting
197one month is going to matter at this point because we've waited this long. And I think it is very valuable to have other people weigh in. People just like myself um receive this information on Friday. If it was a long weekend, they may not have even had time to digest it and look at it and then um provide that feedback. And so I think this will give teachers in the classroom a little bit more time as well as parents who are paying attention. So I'd like to wait. Okay. Any other discussion? Okay. So the motion on the table is to table that the original motion and until there's stakeholder input and there's a committee and there is a second. So that's what we're voting on. Okay. And >> I would I would advise not saying
198just one month because we still don't have the date and and also once we get that input, we do need to vet it through the attorneys to make sure the great ideas that come forward are things we can do. >> Okay. Thank you. Call for a vote, please. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbth, >> yes. Trusty Cioce, >> no. >> Trusty Emmery, >> no. >> Trusty Ward, >> no. >> Motion fails. Two to three. >> Okay. So, since that motion failed, the original motion does come back to the table. So, may I have a motion to approve board policy 0441 and approve it as a first reading and wave the second? >> Can I make an amendment to the motion? >> Yes. >> Point of order. Not not at this point, but [laughter]
199>> no. Yeah. So, no. Okay. So, no. >> Okay. >> So, maybe I should do it without >> point of order. Um, a motion could be made from a different uh a different trustee at this point. >> So, I would like >> because we don't have a motion on the floor, >> I would like to make a motion to um approve uh the board policy 0441 artificial intelligence as a first reading. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Is there discussion? >> Oh, discussion. Thank you. Um I I won't be um supporting um that motion um mainly because uh when I was looking at this I I felt that there was multiple changes that I would make just myself um just as far as the
200first the last sentence in the first paragraph. Therefore, the board is committed to supporting the use of AI by students and staff in accordance with the following principles. I'm not sure I could say that I would support the use of AI in all instances um because it doesn't have any um uh this doesn't have any um uh separation between like TK or it doesn't have any separation of you know elementary and those types of things. So to me there's multiple things that I would change on this policy and so um I I am not comfortable with voting uh in favor of this policy as it stands. Trusty Emry, >> I initially had those same kind of concerns and brought up those and through some discussions with Dr. Norman and um you know some questions raised
201that you know again this is really broad um and it looks like all different things. You know it looks like um adapting a text down to a kindergarten level from a higher level for a kid who has a reading. It looks like you know spell check. It looks like a lot of different things. So to put a confine on it um might kind of hinder us in some ways that were unexpected. So I think um going forward, you know, with that in mind and talking about, you know, the AR is really having some teeth in it. I think that's the place to put those kind of things. And I fullheartedly agree. I said, well, what about the pitfalls of AI? What about those lessons? and and that this was not um my understanding after some
202of those conversations was that it's a yes and not a no. Um and so that's why I will be supporting this as the first read and hopefully by the second we maybe have some more information and going forward from there. >> Trusty Rollings. So Trusty Emery, so can you can you say for yourself right now that you you stand by the sentence, therefore the board is committed to supporting the use of AI by students and staff in accordance with the following principles? >> Yes, because I don't think you can completely eliminate it, but it's saying that we have um a control over it is how I'm reading that. so that we um that everything we do within that is consistent with the policies so that anything that is brought forward and is used that the
203board support you know through those ARS has our approval going forward not that it's a free and open reign use >> and and that's why like I say for me I'm not comfortable in in stating that especially without the ARs because I I can't say I'm in favor of the use of of AI by a kindergartener or a you a TK, >> right? But they can't create the ARs without the board policy. That's what Brian Dr. Brockett said, >> right? And then like I say, for me, I would want the input from our local folks to be able to do both, you know, to have the But again, that's me and so that's why I'm committed to voting no. >> So, are you um not comfortable with the input that he already shared that he's
204received from like the tech advisory committee? >> I'm not convinced that it's reflected in the current policy. I I think this cames directly from CSBA and I'm not you know and it's a template and you know it's a one-sizefits-all approach and I'm not seeing it as being reflective and and that there hasn't in my view there hasn't been enough comparison of the local input we've received and the policy that's before us today. Trust COC, >> I I think that I would agree with you if it didn't say in accordance with the following principles because all of these following principles are kind of putting some kind of broad parameters on when you think about a kindergartener in those different ways. Um there's going to be differences at different age levels and I I but we need
205to get there. Trusty Amry. >> Um I would like to know Dr. Norman's um opinion on if we were to go forward on this tonight and then they come back with Mayor Harrison's more information, would there be anything that would prohibit us from putting this up again for a second read or not a second reading but for more >> you can ask revisions? >> Yeah, you can always bring it forward again. We could so we could bring it up within like approve it now, get the ARS going and then make any adjustments at a later date as well. >> Okay, >> Trusty Verbbeth, >> I'm a little confused right now. So, what I was requesting is that we pause to allow more feedback. So we could have a second reading. Trusty Emory is asking that
206we have a first reading. Isn't that the same thing? >> No, you you seconded to table the motion. >> Table the first reading and >> No, to table the policy. >> Table the policy. Period. It's getting late. Thank you. Um, Trustee Rawlings. >> And just to provide some additional information, the policy still doesn't go into a play in in place until there is um a second reading of approval. So, um, it's similar as far as a tableabling, but I would I mean um there would have to be changes or then it it goes as is um to a second reading at our next meeting. I'm assuming um unless because that's what the motion would be because that's what we would normally do. So for what I was trying to get at is let's you know
207let's press pause let's you know get the input and then we could potentially bring back um changes based on the input and then that would be the policy that we would be looking to approve. >> So then what is the purpose of the second reading? Why do you delay it >> like if you're not going to change it? >> Can you answer that Dr. Nurman? Sometimes there is direction given on specific verbiage or specific changes. Um I've seen that with boards where they might make a recommendation and then we bring it back for a second reading for approval. But sometimes it's just what you explain in terms of making sure that the community knows what we're voting on, making sure that the trustees have time to understand what the whole policy is. But typically in
208my experience, it's often waved. The second reading is often waved and it moves forward with the first reading. Are you asking me any question? Um, I would like both. Yeah. So, not that I'm not comfortable, but it also provides them some guidance like Dr. Rocket was saying like here's what is up here is what they are considering here is our guidelines and premise but also gives um you know should they come back and say actually that doesn't align at all then it gives some like actually we we're not going to go forward with the second reading but at least gives some guidance and um moving forward it's trying to be appeasing and to ally >> so then um trustee Rawlings since we're going to bring it back for a second reading. What are your thoughts
209on Dr. Brockett sharing this policy with the tech advisory committee and then bringing it back for the second reading, which essentially is what you're saying? >> Well, unless there's unless staff brings back changes to on a second reading based on the input, then um it it it doesn't get to what I was looking for on the input side. Number one. Number two, I mean, Dr. Brocketta can provide that information whether it's a first reading to the a committee or if it's just this is what CSBA is proposing. So because the the the policy doesn't go into effect until you have a second reading um and it's been approved at at a second reading. So in any case, if it goes to a committee, it's still not CUSD policy at that point, but staff would have
210to be recommending changes at the second reading would be the um would be how you'd have to do it. >> Um if if there was any based on input >> if there was any. Right. >> Okay. Any other discussion? Okay. So, the motion is um to approve board policy 0441 and approve it as a first reading. Okay. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trusty Rawlings, >> no. Trusty Verbath, >> yes. >> Trusty Siosci, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. Motion passes 4 to one. Okay, we now move on to item 13.2, revision of the board policy 3470, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item on I will now hand it over to Dr. Robny. >> Thank you, President Ward, trustees. Dr. Norman, maybe not quite as
211uh engaging as AI. Uh debt issuance and management as it relates to school finance. Board policy 3470 is being updated to align with current law and strengthen transparency and fiscal oversight. The changes remove some obsolete financing references. They expand short-term financing options for districts and they require coste effective debt issuance with board approval and they also strengthen required state reporting. So with that I'll turn it back over to President Ward. Happy to answer any questions. >> This is a time for public comment. There are no blue cards. Trustees, do you have any questions? May I have a motion to approve board policy 3470 and approve it as a a first reading and wave the second reading. >> So moved. >> Second. Trusty Verbth made the motion. Trustee Emmery seconded the motion. Discussion. Miss Garcia, please
212call for a vote. Trusty Rawlings. >> Yes. >> Trusty Verbbeth, >> yes. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trustee Emory, yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Motion passes five to zero. >> I just want to say I thought that was a very interesting board policy. Dr. Nye, as a former CBO, [laughter] thank you. Riveting. [gasps] Okay, this is a fun board meeting. Um, thank you. We now move on to item 13.3, revision of board policy 3515. Okay, trustees. This is a discussion action item. Um, I will now hand it over to Dr. Robny. >> Uh, thank you again, President Ward. Uh, board policy 3515, uh, centers around campus security. It's been updated to in coordination with CSBA language to align with current best practices for threat assessment and campus safety. The revisions strengthen prevention
213and response efforts and clarify the use of security measures including cameras while maintaining appropriate privacy protections. With that, I'll turn it back over to President Ward. >> This is a time for public comment. There are no blue cards. Um, trustees, do you have any questions? Trusty Verbth. Um, Dr. Norman and I have talked about this um, policy as it pertains to the cameras in particular because we've had some issues recently with the swastikas and cameras not picking up certain areas of parking lots and parts of our, you know, properties on school sites. So, have we run this by legal? I'm sure if you're saying this is a CSBA, you know, what what are the legal ramifications of having cameras in certain places? Um, or are there because it's our property? Um, I'm just wondering if
214we've run all of this through legal. >> Yeah, we haven't run this policy through legal. I mean, the policy really talks about um how cameras can be used. that clarifies that doesn't go into as far as any uh legal protections about where where school districts are obligated to place cameras. Um it talks about um privacy and security as well. Um so there's some privacy matters as it relates to sticking cameras in every nook and every nook and cranny type of deal. But no, uh beyond that, um it just talks about the appropriate use of those cameras rather than um any liability with having cameras on your campus. >> Trusty Oh, is this a follow-up? >> No. >> Okay. Trusty Rawlings, >> thank you. Um, I remember when we first put the cameras in place, um,
215I had asked staff to bring back um, information about the reduction in crime because we were told that if we put a camera in that it'll reduce the crime and uh, we were told that there was no significant difference. Do we have any updated information that there that crime has somehow been reduced by having these cameras in place? >> I don't have that specific data. I know that they are used as a tool to investigate crimes. Um, and so that cameras can help piece together very complex issues where um, oftentimes you're pulling in students to get student testimony for something that you didn't uh, visibly see. Uh cameras can help fill in that picture for school administrators um regarding discipline incidents, discipline issues, vandalism, stuff that occurs on your campus. Um as far as whether
216or not it's preventing or reducing that, I don't I don't have that data available. >> Followup or I guess it doesn't matter. Trusty Rawlings. >> Um and then another question and I did have a conversation with um Dr. Norman as well on this as far as um uh is there a reason why we don't monitor or at least um monitor at times the cameras and that they just they're going but there's nobody looking at it while things are happening. >> Yeah. Part of that is just um staffing to do that. We don't typically pay people to watch the cameras. Um we don't have a job that specifically does that. Um the other purpose is that you know nine hours out of 10 hours there's nothing going on to be monitoring. So um there's more effective
217use of time of staff. My understanding of why the cameras were initially installed and why they're there is that um for the reasons that I talked about before that they are effective tools to go back and piece together investigations. They're effective tools to figure out vandalism if that occurs on your campus. >> Um they're effective tools to figure out uh school disciplinary issues or safety issues that occur um on your campuses. So, >> but Dr. Nai, in speaking with um uh Director Allen, the cameras that we're looking at will also potentially provide alert systems to our administrators. Uh it can also do facial recognition if that's something that we chose that we wanted to do. Um so, it's it can go beyond just the the background of recording, but we can also set it up
218for the different advantages that it offers. not something that you would be made aware of prior to potentially agreeing to have new cameras installed. >> Trusty Emory, >> just kind of as a followup to what you were just saying, Dr. Knight, um, however, if we're putting the installation of the new doors and the new camera, like there will be a camera at the front door with that ring that someone in the front office will be monitoring though, right? So, that one would be monitored. >> That is correct. Okay. >> Yes. Trusty Rollings. Um are you aware of um some schools that do um commit staff time to monitoring cameras at certain times of the day on in our district now? >> Um no, I'm not aware of um schools that are doing that. Uh to
219my knowledge, I've heard that intermittently from time to time, but that's not our policy or practice. So, >> uh Trusty Verbbeth, >> thank you. Um the third paragraph under reporting and responding to threats. Could you please explain to me that sentence? It says, "Additionally, anyone who receives or learns of a health or safety threat related to school or a school activity is encouraged to report the threat to a school or district administrator. What is health? What What do you mean by that? What is how how do you how can you des could you explain that to me? >> What sorry which paragraph are you referring to again? I'm sorry. >> Additionally, the third >> the third one after under reporting and responding to threats. >> Okay. >> What is I I didn't hear you. What
220is what? >> Oh, health. >> Health. >> Yeah. Yeah. What do you >> threat? >> What's a health threat? >> So, anybody's health or well-being? I think that's the way I read this is that um when there's a threat to somebody else's health or well-being that there's an obligation by the certificated or classified employee to report that incident to um to the administration and we have policies and procedures for threat assessments. It could be their own health or well-being, the students health, a staff member's health, um or threatening somebody else's health or well-being. There's an obligation there that we go through a threat assessment process, but the first step is to report that to your school administration >> as a followup. So that's mental health, that's physical health, correct? Correct. So this is a >>
221it's everything. Yes. >> Any other questions? Okay. May I have a motion to approve board policy 3515 and approve it as a first reading and wave the second reading? I'll make a motion. >> I'll second you. >> Thank you. Discussion. Trusty Rawlings. >> Um I I will be voting no on this policy. Um I have two main concerns. And when we first put cameras into place, I was consistent. I I don't believe we should um uh have cameras that are not monitored. If they're not to me, if they're not monitored, they're not preventive. They're, you know, they might be tools for investigation, but ultimately um I I don't see I don't I haven't seen the preventative aspect. And then in this policy it talks about stakeholders and it talks about staff but it doesn't talk
222about board um consultation. So it's presumed that we will have cameras and that it it'll be consulted with site councils but it but we are not part of that consultation. And so there's this presumption of cameras whether you know that I mean I would be more in favor if we have if we have cameras then this would happen but we're presuming that we will have cameras and we'll always have cameras. So that's why I'm voting no. the when you reference that first part, it's just talking about the appropriate locations of the cameras. In consultation with the district school site council, safety planning committee and other relevant stakeholders and staff, the superintendent or design shall identify appropriate locations for the placement of surveillance cameras. >> Right. But that's my point is that presumes that we have
223cameras. And what I'm saying is is that um I believe that that um that that should not be presumed. But again, I voted no on this policy when it came up before and that and when the when the cameras came up initially. So, >> so I had a question for you, Kathy, because just having been an administrator in two separate districts, middle a middle school and an elementary school, um, a lot of the crimes, theft that and vandalism that happened were after hours, right? So, are you looking So, if we had the cameras, are you looking to hire somebody at all of our campuses to sit at night to watch the cameras? when you're talking about monitoring. >> No, I mean there's multiple ways to monitor. Um there's uh there's security firms that you can
224hire that monitor multiple cameras that are not just monitoring your cameras. And there's also um uh you know, sometimes you can uh create a partnership with the police um in order to monitor cameras as well. So again, I'm not saying that somebody's st sitting there staring. Um but in my view that that's the way that um that that things are prevented because then you can actually um you can actually uh deploy um police or deploy security or deploy an administrator or what have you um immediately rather than you know waiting till the next day or the you know after a long weekend or whatever and then discover it. And I agree. I mean, you definitely can use it for an investigation, but I'm not to me I'm not sure that that's worth the um the
225expense and the and the >> So, just to follow up on that, so you mentioned preventative um measures, but um what are you what do you think about what Dr. Norman shared in regard to um some of these cameras can set up an alarm and notify um site administrators or whoever is in charge of the cameras. >> Again, I'd have to see that um you know, see how that works. See how you know, we currently don't have that now. Um and um and again, I I would have to see how that works. But again, I do think cameras are effective if you monitor them, but I'm not sure they are. you know, um I'm not sure they are as effective um in prevention that we're we're told. And so that's why I don't I don't
226think we should have them. >> And then I have a quick question for you. Do you need this board policy in order to have the surveillance cameras on the buildings? >> Not at this point, but we are going to be bringing forward having the cameras. Then this this provides the conduit for how we make sure that we're following policy that the public needs to know. We have to have signs posted. Um the site and all the people who talked about that that I referenced earlier help determine the placement of where they go. So it helps us with the proper implementation for the public of having cameras and we already have them. We're just going to be updating and putting them on the cloud so that they're um a more interactive system with our administrators who
227will be they do monitor them in a sense. They're not on them obviously, but they do have sensors that will reach out to the um administrators and we'll share everything before you vote on it. >> Trusty Henry. >> So, just a few points back to that. Um like you said, you already have cameras, but we just voted to install them on the front doors. So, you know, we're already going to have them there. And so, those ones, you know, we we did approve. um rather than having you know someone monitoring during the school hours I would I think we have people there during those you know dismissal periods during those times. I would much rather have those um staff at those points of you know ingress and egress and where students are traveling versus watching
228the camera. Um and you know lastly just as I believe I shared with you having been through a very serious incident um you know at a school site I was at that would have been much more easily solved had the kind of call for cameras um and more security it would have been a whole different situation. So, you know, there might be some, you know, security is my number one priority there and I think, you know, um this would be a good implementation going forward with those considerations. >> Trust. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I I just want to say you you did mention that the you know the cameras at the front doors are monitored. I mean, people are seeing who's at the front door, which again, I'm in favor of that because people are
229seeing what's going on and then if that they can take action based on um uh based on that. Now, I mean, I worked for the highway patrol for eight years and um you know, when we were monitoring cameras, we were actually able to prevent um crime and I actually prevented multiple things from this the seat of my dispatch center because I was able to um see a camera from a call box. So, >> trust I think a lot of issues that would be things that we're facing on our school sites, a vandalism, a fight that breaks out are things that if someone was monitoring may be already over by the time someone was able to get from the office, say, to the gym where something is going on. I I think the greatest benefit really
230is in the deterrent of knowing you're going to get caught, you're on camera. So things that have happened, for example, in our parking lots, um if we had had cameras there, once the the vandalism, for example, is reported, we now can go back, we know what happened in this time period, we can go back and look at that and track who came from where and who was involved. And and I I really think if kids um are aware that that the safety issue is a whole another layer, but there are a lot of things I think that that the unmonitored cameras can really help our district with. >> Okay. Any other discussion? Right. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty Wellings, >> no. >> Trusty Verbbeth, >> yes. Trusty Siosci, >> yes. >>
231Trusty Emmery, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Motion passes 4 to one. >> Okay, we now move on to item 13.4, revision of board policy 400, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Mrs. Megan Aras. >> Thank you. Board policy 4000 concepts and rules has been updated as part of CSBA's regular process to clarify that it is the academic achievement, personal growth, and well-being of district students in addition to the success of district programs that hinges on district personnel and to reflect the California Labor Management Initiative uh resource guide book, Building Partnerships to Create Great Public Schools, which provides guidance to support education leaders in developing labor management partnerships. that benefit students, staff, and the community. It is respectfully recommended that the board of
232trustees review the board policy 4,000 and approve as a first reading. Thank you. >> Okay, this is a time for public comment. We have no blue cards. Trustees, do you have any questions? Trusty Rollings. >> Thank you. And Dr. Norman, we we did discuss this um at length um earlier. Um but could you um can you advise what our established procedure is based on this policy for the last 20 years? >> Um I don't believe there has been an established policy. And so what the practice has been is that when we have staff members who may have a concern, they can submit an email to the superintendent or cabinet and then it would be addressed appropriately. But we don't have anything in writing. And so when we're crossing out where it says designate shall establish
233procedures whereby he or she will receive and consider employee suggestions and submit them when appropriate for consideration. And then the new verbiage states the superintendent shall establish procedures whereby the superintendent will designate and will receive consider consider employee suggestions. Would it be appropriate to continue to say we're establishing a procedure for an additional 20 years? [laughter] And we did talk about this. She's not she's not ambushing me. Um we no this really is something there is not an AR for concepts and roles. Um and so there is no AR to put this in. It would be something that would typically be in an AR because it's a practice, but it is something that's already done by employees when they have concerns. So, I don't know that necessarily has to be in a policy because it's
234more of a practice, not so much a policy. So, would it be appropriate to eliminate the last paragraph completely and then potentially create an AR um in order to be consistent with our policies and then our procedures in an AR? >> Correct. I would recommend that. >> Okay. Any other questions? >> Yeah. Sorry, can you clarify? Are you striking the new or striking the strike? >> Keeping the struck strike. >> No, keep keeping the strike strike through. And then we're going to take out that last part too and create an AR. >> Okay. Well, >> once we have a motion. >> Oh, we have a motion. So, we're getting rid of a motion. Okay. >> Once we have a motion, we can >> uh any other questions? Nope. Okay. May I have a motion? Okay.
235May I make a motion? >> Oh, yes, President War. [laughter] >> That's right. >> Thank you. Um, I would like to make a motion that we adopt the uh the policy except for amending the last paragraph by deleting it completely and ask staff to create an AR associated with this policy for a first reading. >> I'll second that. discussion. >> Um, I ran across this and I was having this conversation. It just doesn't make any sense. And I've seen it in other policies where we say, "We're going to establish a policy. We're going to establish a policy." And it's like, well, if we've established the policy, why or procedure, why do we have it in the policy to establish, right? It doesn't make that part didn't make sense to me. So, when I was reading
236over this, I had talked to Dr. Norman. We just felt that that would be the best way to deal with it is just cross it all out. And then actually the information that's in the strikeout paragraph is actually I think um I was thinking we could keep it in there, but Dr. Norman has said that we could just add that to the AR because it talks about we value employee input and that we want to hear from our employees based on their on their workplace. So I think that that is probably more appropriate in an AR is what we discussed. So that's why I made the motion. >> Any other discussion? Okay, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trustee Rawlings, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbath, >> yes. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty
237Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, yes. >> Motion passes five to zero. >> Okay, so we're going to skip that one. All right, we now move on to item 13.5. Oh, yeah, that's right. Okay. Yes. Okay, that's right. We took that one out. So, thank you. We now move on to item 13.6, Six, revision of board policy 6115, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I'll now I will now hand it over to Dr. Brian Brockett. >> Thank you, President Ward. Uh policy 6115, ceremonies and observances, has been updated to add events of present-day significance. Additionally, the policy was updated to reflect that specified commemorative exercises may be required by law and include educational components. It also includes language that the board may through the adoption of a resolution authorize the display of
238symbolic flags or banners in support of specific awareness months. It is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees review board policy 6115 and approve as a first reading. With that, I'll hand it back to President Ward. >> Okay. This is a time for public comment. Um, I think I saw Mike Banello leave. Is that correct? Okay. Okay. So, it's time for public comment. When I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether or not you live within the boundaries of the school district. You will have three minutes. We have the timer on the screen, and your mic will be muted when your time has expired. The first speaker is Jennifer Zamora. >> Good evening trustees and staff. My name is Jennifer Zamora and I'm a parent of a student
239in COSD. I want to clarify what I believe this policy does and does not do. This revision does not automatically approve any flags at schools. It simply says that the board may consider a symbolic flag or banner only through a future resolution, which would be a separate public vote. The district should keep improving literacy and math outcomes while creating a welcoming environment, supporting student belonging as part of helping students learn. These are not competing priorities. Additionally, I'm in favor of allowing our school district to fly flags that recognize the diverse communities our district serves. These flags are not about politics. They are about people. They send a clear message to students, families, and staff that they are seen, valued, and welcomed here. For many students, especially those from historically marginalized groups, seeing themselves reflected in
240their school environment can make the difference between feeling visible and feeling that they belong. Our schools already teach history, civic values, and respect for others. Flying these flags simply reinforces those lessons in a visible, meaningful way. It says that our district stands for dignity, inclusion, and unity. Values that strengthen learning communities and help all students thrive. I encourage the board to support policies that reflect the diversity and shared humanity of our school community. Thank you for your time and for your service. Okay, next speaker is David Connor. Dr. Norman, President Ward, and trustees, thank you for allow allowing me to uh talk about this topic. Um, first of all, please do not politicize education in the Carlsbad School District. We have seen other states, we can look at Virginia, we can look at North Carolina
241and we can look at many others where politicizing the educational process with in different manners doesn't result in anything good. Um, it's it's historical. You can see it. I've read several sections of the board policy manual. In those sections, it states that that all listed 25 categories of students shall have inclusive and a safe environment in which to be a part of and to learn. I have found no section referencing the provision of a div of a divisive environment. The possibility of revising section 6115 has me concerned at this time. A draft of any revision has not been shared with the community. Approving a revision without using a democratic process opens the door to any number of changes which may not be in the best interest of our students. We do not know what type
242of flags or banners may be approved. But rest assured, there will be students who will feel their values may never be represented. This will create a divisive environment, one that may leave students upset, confused, angry, ex and excluded, resulting in issues with students mental and physical health. Additionally, the damaging side of social media could result in negative consequences for students and families. The simple act of a student commenting on the presence of a flag could begin the online bullying, resulting in any number of negative possibilities. Are any of you ready to accept your role in what could happen? Could you look yourself in the mirror? [clears throat] Excuse me. Could you look yourself in the mirror if a child is the recipient of a damaging encounter? You'll own that by by this policy. The role
243of the school board should should be to ensure our children have educational tools to empower them to strive for continued success as they are uh as they progress through high school, not deciding which social ideologies they should be exposed to. This is the right of the parents. Lastly, how will we pay for these changes? In every school, in every class, teachers have a wish for items needed to support their students. Why not use the money to support them instead of finding new ways to create an unhealthy environment? Since I have 24 seconds left, I'd like to say that I was a firefighter for 37 years. I responded to multiple multiple events where students were under threat. It's a damaging process and having these flags could lead to that type of bullying environment and it could
244have a a potentially deadly outcome. Thank you, >> Jen Bilnap. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. That was written by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. from Birmingham jail in 1963. Tonight you are considering a policy that provides no parameters to the public or to the board for that matter to justly decide which resolutions or flags to approve or which resolutions or flags to reject. You have provided zero transparency to the public as to how you will deliberate on these decisions. What is the litmus test the importance of which trustee Emory just pointed out tonight in a previous board policy that you all voted on? Trustees, whether this policy was written by staff, CSBA, and or included input from your fellow board members, if you vote for this policy tonight as written, you leave
245the district wide open to lawsuits. It's a bad look for the board and for the district. As our wise mayor says, what you do for one, you must be prepared to do for all. And isn't that the forward together way? Mary Davis. Hi, good evening. I'll try and keep this short. Mary Davis, founder of the Public Education Oversight Project, and I'm here tonight um about this very concerning policy and uh the re the room for abuse with it. And so when we start up with the changes we see about present day again to me that's very arbitrary subjective open to interpretation. More importantly it's open to politicization and so depending on which way this board would shift in the future it would be very easy to politicize this issue also. Then we go on to
246one of the changes where it says and educ commemorative exercises and educational experiences. And my concern with that again is transparency and backdooring curriculum or educational experiences. I mean this is a district honestly that needs to be doing it cleaner and better in light of the BDSM backdooring of the uh the presenter for the uh lunch thing. And so I really am encouraging you that where could this flag thing go? I've seen in other districts and again that's what the beauty of me going to different districts is the fact that curriculum is often backdoored by activist teachers, activist staff members, even students that will sneak in flags, banners, some that may not be approved by this board. It just is ripe for abuse. And then lastly, we go down to the authorization of symbolic flags,
247banners for specific awareness months. Uh, and I noticed there was no list given. And that to me was also very problematic because even if you go and try and Google like heritage month, you're going to get depending on where you find all different kinds of lists. I also say that once you start including some, you autom. And then I get into the AAPI. I have a big problem with that because to me, Asian by itself, you could do 12 different cultures of Asian and to lump them all together is a form to me of uh let's say a racism that you just kind of lump and think all Asians are alike and then there's Pacific Islanders that to me again should be completely separate. So again, there's just so much room for abuse with this.
248And then lastly, I would also like to say that there's one group if you are going to move forward with this, I would really insist um I have the National Safety of Life Month flag and this represents a co cohort that is seldom represented and that is the uh future students of Carl'sbad that have nobody to advocate for them. And again, if you are going to get into start flying different flags and banners, I would absolutely insist that this flag be a contender and that you would put it on a future agenda item. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? >> Trusty Emmery. >> Um, so some questions I had, and I already brought this up with Dr. Norman is um the language around the specific months um you
249know and what the banners might be. Um, so for example, my question was of the and I'm going to mess it up at this time of night. Um, the bison quintentennial of um, you know, the our 250th anniversary. Um, that would be, you know, something that's been brought forward by some of our speakers in the past. That wouldn't necessarily be an awareness month, you know, although it's months. Would that be something that would be possible under this policy with that wording? I I think that trustees would have to make that determination. I mean, a resolution as it's written. Um, such a a display would require a resolution which would have to come before the board and and be agendaized through the normal agenda process. So, I think that would have to be something that would
250be considered. >> Sorry, let me be more specific with the awareness months in there since that's not necessarily a month. It's being, you know, like is that >> Yeah, I >> Okay. >> Yes. Agreed. >> Trusty Verbth, >> is there a list of awareness months that we would be selecting from or would the board be able to just create an awareness month on its own? >> No, there's no specific list of awareness months. I I think um there are a lot of awareness months out there covering a whole variety of different uh different topics. um to to specifically what this does speak to. I will say getting away from that bit about awareness months, the the the first part of the policy um the the AR which is not included here does list the specific
251holidays and observances from education code. So so getting at one of those questions that came up um it does have a specific listing of holidays and required observances within education code. The question about commemorative banners and and flags and observance months is is a different question that trustees would have to consider. >> Trusty Emmery. >> So along those lines because you know I'm thinking of the banners of the months that we already or I guess they're not so much months but like red ribbon week. We have a resolution I believe for red ribbon week and is that them fit under these ceremonies and observances or is that under a different policy? That's a good question. We we don't fly FL. This really has to do as we envision it as as we read it um
252with like the flag flags that are flown from the flag pole, if you will. Um and and I think that I'm aware of traditionally we have not flown a flag for example for Red Ribbon Week. Um we there may be a banner up at the school or or you know a student created banner. I I'm not sure as I understand it that that's what this policy is specifically referencing. I think what we're talking about here is um is flags that are sort of officially flown um on uh on the school flag pole, if you will, or the district flag pole? >> Yes. Then do we need to revise the banners? Because for me, a banner is a banner and a flag is a flag >> potentially. So yes, >> Trusty Siosce, >> I very much
253agree. One of my concerns with that final sentence is that there is no explanation of are we talking about a flag on a flag pole? Are we talking about displayed symbolic flags or banners displayed where in a classroom at the district office? Um, is there any uh discussion about the size of said flags, the cost of said flags? Are these provided by per the teacher in their own classroom? Is this something that's a district expense? We were talking about how ridiculously expensive a flag pole was. Um, are we are we considering in part of this resolution that we're going to install flag polls so that we can do these monthly flags? So, I think if we're going to have this in there, that verbiage needs to be clearer. Uh, yes, question. [laughter] >> In fairness,
254I heard a lot of questions there. >> Thank you. >> So, let me rescue you on those. I >> [laughter] >> I I I yeah, I heard a lot of questions. Um I I think you the all of those questions are good ones um that are that are unexplored by the recommended CSBA language here. Um so I think that those would be considerations that trustees would have to make uh with regard to um to whether trustees wanted to amend or adopt uh policy. Um whether those I think that as as we talked about them as a team, we we you know talked about the process by which a resolution is brought forward um by a a board member um or or had brought to the superintendent for consideration um and that perhaps those questions could
255be uh could be uh dealt with through the resolution with some specificity around that. Um I I do I have seen an example of one district that has um some of those specific things outlined in their policy. Um uh so th I think those are all great questions for consideration that that I don't have an answer to tonight. So to follow up on that, so what I'm hearing you say is if there's some want or need for spec spec Yes, that um then we could do a resolution around it. >> Yes, I think I I mean I would suggest that that's the the easiest way forward if if trustees um had a desire to add this verbiage to the uh to the board policy. Um then a a resolution could certainly address the specificity around
256for example the size um you know some clarity around who yeah location around who was providing said flag um and the duration of time for which that flag might fly. >> Uh trustee verbth >> um Dr. Norman and I did I asked her this question. Is this flag only at the district office or is it throughout the district and who will pay for it? >> Yeah, I think I think that that that's one of those questions that could be clarified through the resolution. Um, I think that what we again as as uh our executive cabinet team when we looked at this, we we what we what we understand this to be talking about is the the flag pole at the district andor at the school sites. Um, I I think Trusty Seos and her questions
257there got into some question about classrooms. There's some other policies that relate to uh the ability of teachers to decorate their classrooms as they see fit. So, this really isn't considering that. this specific policy. This is really talking about um more um uh the the sort of the official displaying of flags um on uh on behalf of the school and of the district. >> Is it a follow-up? >> Yes. So is it clear in this policy that a stakeholder can make a request to a board trustee? Is that the avenue that this can be done? >> Yeah, that that's not specifically outlined the way the policyy's written. Um again the the way in which a a an agenda item could be brought forward um in in this case a resolution could be brought forward is
258by uh by a a community member for example making that request of a trustee and that trustee bringing that uh request forward as an agenda item or the request being made to the superintendent. Um and then that would go through the normal agenda planning process um for placing an item or for considering an item um for a specific board agenda. >> Trustee Rawlings. >> And thank you. And I just wanted to confirm and I think you said it, but I just want to confirm it that this that this is just restoring language that had been taken out and that the language before us today is consistent with this the CSBA uh recommended language. Correct. So, yeah, I don't know the entire history of of this specific policy. Um, the last time that I'm aware of
259that the that the board considered uh this policy and and a couple of you were not yet on the board at that time was in July of 2023, at which time uh the uh the board did uh make a majority decision to not include that language um that is in there. The language, as I understand it, was part of the CSBA recommended language at that time and it continues to be part of the CSBA recommended language. >> Trusty Verbbeth, >> thank you. Um, there's a well-known Supreme Court uh case out of the city of Boston that took was about two years ago, and I remember it because we had this discussion about two years ago. And um so have our attorneys reviewed this policy to determine if it complies with the ruling and what specific
260things we need to do to avoid legal risk? >> Yeah, it's a that's a good question. We we have not at this time gotten an updated opinion on that. Um I think that what we were um what we were made aware of at the time that by uh requiring a resolution is my understanding is that requiring a resolution um would make it clear that the uh the the display is part of the AY's protected speech and is not intended to serve as a forum for free expression by the public. Um so it's the it's that resolution mechanism um that provides that protection. Um certainly we could you know go back for additional input from legal counsel on that but that was the that's my understanding at this point. >> Trusty Rawlings. >> And just to
261confirm that as we stated with the AI policy um CSBA uh provides legal or legal reviews the policies before they send them out to districts. Correct. >> Yes. I I yes they do. And I think that you know the question getting back to trustee verb's question is perhaps in the application piece um that that should trustees um feel that this is appropriate we may want to get some further input on how that that uh that paragraph there would be operationalized in a way that would provide uh protection. Trusty Verbath. >> So follow up to that. The CSBA attorneys don't protect our district though. Correct. >> That's correct. And and I will just add that CSBA has not considered in the AR a specific mechanism for doing what it says in that paragraph. So just to
262be clear, that's not currently in the in the administrative regulation either. >> Followup. Another question. >> Okay. Go ahead. Are we allowing flags for political movements? >> And if so, how do we define those? >> Should you you mean should this be added? >> No, I'm just asking is this pro is this board policy allowing us to fly flags that represent political movements? >> I I think that would be a determination that at this point that trustees would make through the resolution process. >> Um whether that was appropriate or not appropriate. Um I I believe there may be some limitations on doing that. Maybe uh Dr. Norman might. Yeah. But I I believe that there would be there would be some limitations on uh our ability or the ability of the district as a public
263agency to do so. >> Trusty COC. >> Um if I'm understanding this correctly, the last sentence is not authorizing any flags or banners. It's simply stating that this is something we could bring to the board to create a resolution at some future point. Is there any reason that we could or is there any reason that that sentence needs to be on this? Could we not strike that last sentence and still just have that resolution be something that's brought to the board for discussion? Is there a reason to have that included under policy 6115? >> That's a that's an excellent question. I I think we'd have to do a little bit more digging on that uh specific question. Um I I think that yes, but the answer the simple answer is yes, this does allow a
264resolution to be brought forward. Um could trustees uh bring forward a resolution or could someone suggest a resolution without this being in there? I I I suppose so. Um it it's possible then that there could be some concern uh among uh trustees or the public um that there there is no policy to guide that or to or to allow that. Um so it's it's hard to say so we'd have to look a little bit further into that before we had an answer I think. >> Go ahead. I think on on my concern is because it's so vague and not specified that I feel like what what would we be authorizing to come back into a resolution? So, I wouldn't be comfortable um voting on it as it is. I think it would need to be
265somehow clarified so that we know what it is that we're agreeing to to come back as a resolution. So, I'm Can we It's late. I know. How do you phrase that as a question? Um, can we move forward striking that last sentence or is that something that we need to have a second reading? that that would be the prerogative of trustees to to make that motion um to uh move forward as you're suggesting. >> Speaking of a motion, I'm going to make a motion to extend the meeting. >> I will second. >> Miss Garcia, please call for a vote to extend the meeting. Trusty Rawlings. >> Yes. >> Trusty Verb. >> Yes. >> Trusty COC. >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory, yes. >> Trusty Ward, yes. Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Trusty Verbth. >> Thank
266you. Um, we heard from at least one speaker um, regarding being cautious and about representing one group versus another and what that could cause. Um, in our No Place for Hate program, we teach kids about microaggressions, which is any conduct that might offend anyone, even if it's unintentional. It's a perception. Um, recently, like I mentioned before, both high schools have had situations where swastikas have been drawn on car windows or on the concrete um, near baseball field, right? So, we all agree that's extremely inappropriate and offensive. So, how would we avoid picking a flag for a movement that might be offensive to some students? And how would we avoid that liability as a board if we've authorized flying a flag that offends another group of students? Um, we have all kinds of students in our
267school district which makes Carl'sbad so wonderful. And I think the point that we've been hearing is United States flag and the California state flag are the most unifying of all flags. So, when we start picking and choosing, how do we know we're not offending someone to the point where maybe they do feel bullied? And do I want to take on that responsibility as a trustee? Um, so how could could you tease that out a little bit for me? >> Yeah, it's it uh not really. I mean, it's a to be honest, it's it's hard for me to tease that out. I I think that you are raising uh valuable points for consideration both in considering the policy as well as the types of considerations that trustees would have to engage in in in promoting a
268resolution to come forward. Right. Um and the and the impacts of that and then considering that resolution when it did come forward. Um so beyond that I I don't I I don't really have a lot to add to that. >> I would agree with Dr. Rocket that I think that you would find potential opposition or feelings that may not be in support when you bring the resolution forward for discussion that maybe when it comes to light or in emails that you may receive prior to the meeting. >> So my follow-up question then to my board fellow trustees is is that something you really >> order? Oh, I'm sorry. I guess that's discussion. >> Yes. >> Okay, I'll wait. Any other questions, Trusty Rawlings? Um I remember LA I think it was last year, the year
269before, um I believe uh Sage Creek uh flies the distinguished school flag. Is that correct? Did they still do that? Yeah, it's interesting in the in the discussion on this previously on this question previously uh a distinction was made um that that I think is relevant between um between a a a school award and a school representing that award um versus uh a uh you know in this case a a commemorative or awareness month um being uh being displayed. Um I if if trustees feel differently about that, we can certainly reconsider that point as well. Um in listening back to the previous discussion on that, I think that that distinction was made um that I would generally think is a fair one. We we certainly would encourage our schools to, you know, be recognized for
270their outstanding work and and I don't think in general I've heard um opposition to them displaying then the you know, for example, the distinguished schools flag um if in fact that they've earned that honor. a followup. >> Yes. >> Um, is there during that discussion when that distinction was made, was there a policy that allowed for that or was there a resolution passed that allowed for that or is are we just saying like that's that's okay? >> Yeah, not that I'm aware of. No, I'm not aware of any. >> There's nothing in writing or anything that that discusses awards for schools. Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions? Uh, trustee COC, >> for clarity, the verbiage of that last sentence does say a symbolic flag or banner in support of a specific awareness month. So,
271it would exclude adoption of a resolution to fly a flag that was not related to an awareness month. I think that's a fair reading of that line. Yes. Now that I'm I'm rereading it with you, I think that that's that's reasonable. >> So, that does maybe answer some of the questions that the public has had because it would be specific, but we've already covered I believe that we do not have a list of awareness months. >> That's correct. Yeah. >> And followup. Yes. Do we generally agree that we could basically find an awareness month for anything we want? >> There do seem to be a lot of awareness months for a variety of of causes. Yes. >> Any other questions? >> Yes. Just for the record. So, the district is going to pick up the
272district would pick up the cost should the trustees decide to pass a resolution to fly a flag for an awareness month. Is that correct? >> Uh that that's not specifically outlined in here. I think that that trustees might want to consider that. I I I would say that it would not be my recommendation that that's how this would be handled. Um, but I think that's for consideration either through the resolution process or through uh modifications to the policy. >> Dr. Norman, are are is there a pocket of money that we don't know about? What can you explain what other options there would be on this? Are we going to put this on the public or like >> sometimes um and I'm just guessing because I've never gone down the free flag route, but I would
273imagine that there are some opportunities for free flags if there's organizations out there that do want to support a certain awareness month. Um they often give away swag um for flags could be swag >> swag. >> Um but there is no secret pocket of money where we take this from. We do purchase flags for our schools that are the California and the national flag. Correct. >> For example, that flag right there. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Any other questions? >> Okay. May I have a motion to approve board policy 6115 and approve it as a first reading and wave the second reading? So moved. >> I'll second discussion. >> I will not be voting for um the policy as it states. There's just a lot of things that have to be defined still. We've asked several
274questions that don't have answers to them and I'm not comfortable waving a second waving the first. I I we we still have lots of answers that need to come before the board. So, I'm not able to vote for this the way it's written. >> I I think that part of the reason we don't have the answers is because we need the more specific language of each specific resolution. >> Um and so I don't want to, you know, throw the baby out with the bathwater and, you know, make sure we're not um you know, missing something before it's presented to us. I think that gives us an opportunity to, you know, like I said, the the bicquin, you know what I mean? [laughter] the 250th anniversary flag, you know, should that be during July or, you
275know, um, you know, with the Red Ribbon Week, I have seen flags, you know, for that or, you know, so I don't want to, um, preemptively say no to nothing considering that we're already doing and supporting some of those causes. Um, I would like to bring up those each individual ones as they come up. And I, you know, I think it's fair to say that, you know, we can bring them up, anyone can bring them up, no one can bring them up. Um but nothing no discussion can really happen on any of them until we have a resolution >> a resol or a whisper of a resolution. Well, I think we need legal counsel um to weigh in and we are a board of five and if a majority rules in favor of flying a
276flag that I'm part of and I don't agree with flying that flag, then I'm putting myself at jeopardy, legal liability, and I'm just not willing to do that. And I think Mr. Connor made a very good point that we could fly a flag that misrepresents or doesn't represent a student or um you know we've we're in a a very difficult time right now where we've seen controversy within countries and I could see where this could get us into um a very difficult place and I don't want to see any division. I don't want to bring division to our our our city and I don't think it's necessary. >> Trusty Rawlings. >> Um I I'll be supporting the motion and um uh a big part of it I think is you know we've have said on
277multiple times that we want to be as cons consistent as possible with CSB language. Um and um I don't again I think it's in general terms and then each board each you know each meeting you know you could come up with a resolution if you choose to or not. So I do think that that's important and we have passed resolutions um uh that highlight different awareness months as it is now. We passed one in uh June 24th of 2020. We passed one in March 24th of 2021 and another one June 23rd of 2021 recognizing different um awareness months as a resolution. So to me it doesn't seem, you know, and we posted on our website. So I'm not sure that that makes a big difference that if we put a flag up that, you know,
278that that's not much of a difference. So I will be supporting the policy. Um I just want to mention um I want to thank Trusty Verbth for stating that um how you're going to vote and explaining that that is a practice that we have here that if you're not going to vote for it that you explain. I didn't do it quick enough before I was called point of order but um so I just want to remind you guys of that. Okay. any um other discussion? >> I I don't I agree with a lot of what uh Trustee Verbbeth just said. I I feel like I would like to see revisions um to what is um here um for me to be fully on board with it. I love the examples that um uh Trustee Emory
279um brought, but neither of those would fall under appreciation month or awareness months, excuse me, um as as stated. And so there are lots of things that would be great to to have banners or flags for that don't fall under this. So that's I would I I don't feel comfortable um supporting at this point. It doesn't sound like it will matter, but um but I want you to understand why because I I and I think that um should it pass uh when we um do come to uh discussing a resolution, there'll be lots of opportunities for us to discuss the details then. >> Thank you. Any other discussion? Okay, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbbeth, >> no. >> Trusty COC, >> no. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes.
280>> Trusty Ward, >> yes. Motion passes 3 to two. We now move on to part 14, communications. Part two. Item 14.1, governance team reports. This is a time for trustees to provide a brief report if they've attended committee meetings where they represented the district. Are there any governance team reports? Trustee Rawlings. >> Thank you. And I'm going to make it super quick. Um and I'm hopefully uh Dr. Brockett and Dr. Nye will help me with this. Um uh Trusty Rebeth and I attended um uh a wellness committee in December and we were able to meet our new uh nutrition services uh director uh Jeannie Samari and um uh and she was able to report on certain things within nutrition services but obviously she's new and um she was able to um uh we were able
281to kind of relay to her what we were working on as a board and um she seemed to be very open and and very enthusiastic about um what we were trying to do. Um we also discussed um diversion uh rates of of waste um which um we're being told through Edco that um that they do have a very robust program and that they will be able to come into our schools and actually train all of our students on how to um you know make sure that we are um recycling correctly because oftentimes if we're not it we can um uh we can actually um corrupt an entire air bin by having one item that's not supposed to be recycled or that's not supposed to be composted. And one of the things we learned a while
282ago um when precoid when we had these trainings is that um that elementary actually does very well in this area when they are instructed to do these things they do it and our hope is is that we can help to um to instill that culture in folks as they get older. Um we did hear from students. We had three um three students um present which is very um uh inspiring for me because then we really hear what you know what's on the ground and they were able to help us to um understand why students may leave campus or why they may not eat on campus and our hope is that we can improve that piece as well. Um we talked about our electrification efforts and correct me if I'm wrong I heard uh we've replaced
28310 of our vehicles with electric vehicles. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So, um consistent with our electrification efforts and um and uh looking at um specific pesticides and making sure that we are uh working on organic uh pesticides as well. um staff put together a um a great survey and I think that was uh provided to the board for students uh when it comes to nutrition services and um they would like to see more variety, more cultural meals and more um and more choice um based on that. And then we're hope hopefully we're still going to get the data eventually um around um the the impact of the salad bars, but all the students were very happy with the salad bars and they'd like to see more of that. So they'd like
284to see more of that build your own uh piece so they can, you know, if they want to have this protein or they want to have more vegetables there that they could make that choice um and not have to be kind of kind of that um uh the heat and serve model. So they seem to really like that and um and they we also did something at our October meeting where we went around the room and staff distilled all that information to where we said you know what's really working what's a growth area and what um uh and what should we know and some of those things were around um were around um some of our lessons uh around health but we don't we don't teach a lot around nutrition and health and those types
285of things and then also physical educ education where we can incorporate movement into our classrooms rather than just say PE this and then also the potential of looking at more specific PE classes. So an example that I gave was um strength and conditioning rather than just straight PE because there might so there's more specific where a student might be interested in that and they may continue with physical education rather than >> um just take it in their freshman year and then be done. So, we were kind of looking at, you know, how can we bring those students kind of in the middle that aren't the athletes, um, and that want to pursue more physical education. So, um, uh, Trusty Verbette, did I hit it quickly enough? >> She did great. She did great. All I'm
286going to add is that, um, we are going, Trusty Rawlings and I are going to meet with Dr. Brockett in a little bit, a couple weeks, I think. Right. And then we're going to work with the information that we've gathered and then we're going back into another committee meeting with some revised information and ultimately the goal is to bring the wellness policy to to the board so that we can vote on these updates. >> Right. >> And and just to add to it that as consistent with one of our success indicators in our LCAP. So, we have as a board we've committed to this process and so our hope is that we can bring something back that will um address that LCAP piece that we've committed to. Uh did I miss anything Dr. Brockett or
287Dr. Nike? I >> think you nailed it. >> There we go. And less than less than four minutes maybe. So that's my report. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. We now move on to >> Yes. >> Governance report. Um, another report. >> Trusty Sely and I went to the audit report. Yes, we already talked about it, so there's really no need to rehash it, but um, yeah. Thank you. >> Wow, that now that was a quick report. That was a quick report. Kathy, take note. That was a quick report. [laughter] >> Thank you. We now move on to item 14.2, trustee requests for information from staff. Trustees, are there any requests for information from staff that haven't already been discussed, excuse [clears throat] me, with the superintendent and have been recommended to bring to the
288board? No. Okay. All right. We move on to item 14.3, trustees request for direction to staff. This item provides trustees with an opportunity to make requests for direction to staff during the meeting. In alignment with board bylaw 9322, any requests for future agenda items must be submitted in writing to the superintendent. These requests will be reviewed and considered through the standard agenda planning process. At this time, do any trustees have requests for direction to staff? Nope. Okay. Item 14.4, 4 continuation of item seven. Oh, never mind. Am I doing that one? No. Okay. Sorry. Part 15 and 16, German and next meeting. It is 10. Pardon? >> Oh, it is 10:15. And my birth date, by the way, and the regular meeting is now adjourned. Our next regular meeting will take place on February 11th,
2892026 at 6 PM at the Carlsbad Unified School District office. >> Thanks everyone. If you are totally