CUSD Board Meeting 11-19-25

001Good evening. It's 5:00 PM and I call this meeting to order. Have any blue cards been received for close session items? >> We do not have any blue cards. Thank you. The board will now recess to close session. p.m. and the board is reconvening from close session. In close session on a motion by uh Trusty Emmery and seconded by Trusty Rawlings, uh the board voted to appoint Emma Cobb as coordinator of student services effective January 20, 2026 unanimously. And there is nothing else to report out in close session. Uh, welcome members of the public, board members, and staff. Thank you for attending. As noted in board bylaw 9324, this meeting is being video recorded and broadcast via a link on our website. The recording and broadcast may capture images and sounds of those attending the

002meeting. I'd like to remind audience members and speakers that it is not unusual for students and young children to be in attendance at our meetings or to watch the recorded broadcast. I invite you to model civility and decorum as we go about the business of the board this evening. While I cannot prohibit anyone from using unprofessional language, please think about the students and adults who are watching our proceedings. We invite you to show support for a speaker by waving your fingers rather than clapping or cheering. We'll begin tonight's meeting with our student board representative Dylan Stolba leading uh leading us in the pledge of allegiance. Trusty verbth will read the district vision and Miss Garcia will take the role of the stands indivisibley andice for all. Our community and its traditions are deeply connected to

003our schools. Parents and community members partner with teachers to provide unique educational opportunities for students. Students value the traditions that built our community. Local businesses, the lagoons, preserves, and beaches are an integral part of our identity. Thank you. And we will now take role. Student board representative Stoba >> here. Trusty COC >> here. >> Trusty VBth >> here. >> Trusty Emory >> here. >> Trusty Ward >> here. >> Trusty Rawlings >> here. Thank you. We now move on to part four, approval of the agenda. Trustees, are there any questions? No questions. May I have a motion to approve agenda item 4.1, approval and/or reorganization of the November 19th, 2025 meeting agenda? >> So moved. Second. >> Motion by Trusty Ward. Second by Trusty Verbth. Any discussion? No. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >>

004Trusty COC? >> Yes. >> Trusty Verbth? >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory? >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward? >> Yes. >> Trusty Rawlings? >> Yes. >> Motion passes five to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to part five, recognition and performances. Item 5.1, student recognition. Try this. Arya Balinga. >> Thank you, President Rollins. I'm going to ask Dr. Brockett, our associates, our assistant superintendent of instruction, to please share a little bit about our student this evening. >> It's my pleasure to invite Arya Blinga up to the podium. Come on up, Arya. Uh Arya is an 11th grade student at Sage Creek High School. He is a model of the impact that future ready students can have in our community. Not only has he demonstrated exceptional academic acuity, he's been an active member of the school

005community at Sage Creek High School. Uh beyond the classroom, uh Ari is being recognized tonight because last year he was a finalist for the 2024 Congressional App Challenge. He developed an app for the 700,000 high school students in the international first robotics community that provides robotics teams with complex industry-grade algorithms and simulations that allows them to enhance their competition performance. And if that's not for everyone, this year Arya has been building a new app to compete in the 2025 Congressional App Challenge. And this year's app will use AI to help you create recipes from just a photo of your refrigerator. Arya maintains a 4.47 grade point average and is active on the robotics team. He currently serves as a CTE ambassador for the computer science pathway. Arya started two clubs at Sage Creek High School,

006the app development club and the stock market game club and is on the chem lab team for science olympiad. He's also a student representative on the district's forward together committee. If that wasn't enough, Arya still finds time to partner with a local company called NextStream Technical Education, where he works in developing metrics that measure a teacher's educational style and that they're using AI to generate educational content tailored to each individual style. When I asked Arya's computer science teacher, Dr. Moazi about him, uh, he shared, "Arya is truly exceptional. I have rarely met someone with his level of energy and focus. He makes use of every minute and is always working with purpose. He often manage uh manages multiple meaningful projects at once and approaches learning with remarkable enthusiasm. Arya is warm, engaging and thoughtful. He

007stands out not only for his technical talent but also for his character and work ethic. So when we talk about the attributes of our CUSD graduate profile uh what we want our students to be uh Arya is a shining example and we're proud to recognize him for his outstanding work. Uh, congratulations Arya. >> Thank you so much. [applause] >> This is my dad and this is my mom. Thank you so much. [applause] >> We'd like to invite the trustees up for a picture with Ara. and trustees. Is there anything that you'd like to add to our recognition this evening? Jesse, what >> I just wanted, Here we go. I just want to say congratulations and I'm just so happy to hear all the things, great things, innovative things you are doing. Um, I have a

008great pitch for an app, so I would love to pitch it to you. [laughter] Maybe you can make it come true. But, um, congratulations and thanks for, um, being such a great representative of our district. Trustee forbeth, >> I want to say congratulations also and I'd like to know where you get 48 hours in a day. >> Other comments? I would also like to say um I'd really like to try out the app for the refrigerator recipes when you're ready. Okay. Thank you. I would really love to try that out. But congratulations. Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. and we will move on to uh communications part six of the agenda 6.1 report by student representative to the board. We are thrilled to introduce uh Dylan Stalba of Carlbad High School who

009will now provide a report to the board. >> Good evening everyone. I am very happy to share what's happening at Carlsbad High School. First with athletics, we have our varsity football team who beat LCC on the 14th advancing to the championship at Southwest College this Tuesday. So, they're competing against Cathedral Catholic. We also had 10 incredible seniors participate in our signing day this week, celebrating their college athletic commitments. Speech debate hosted a tournament on November 8th and had a total of 16 finalists across novice and varsity speech events. Looking forward, CHS is getting ready for basketball season, planning themes, skits, music, and much more. Lancer Market will be happening on campus in our quad on December 5th for all students who want to buy and sell from their very own small businesses. We will have

010vendors on campus like Chick-fil-A and Tiki Ice to keep students on campus and make it the best that we possibly can. ASB also had their last day of lunchtime cornhole tournament today. Students have been battling it out in the quad for a fun activity during lunch. ASV also recently concluded their breast cancer awareness drive where each classroom had a box for students to donate and raise money for the cause. Upcoming this month, we have our food drive where CHS is collecting canned foods in the front office to help Carlsbad families and communities in need. CHS will also be hosting a blood drive on December 10th in the old gym and lots of signups have already been coming in. College essay workshops have been utilized by many of our seniors as well as admission counselor meetings

011for colleges from all over have been taking place right in our front office giving upper classmen tons of information about where they might want to apply. Champion Lancers have been doing amazing work going to events at Aviara Oaks Elementary for lunch activities, Kelly Elementary for unity day as well as compassion day and Jefferson Elementary for healthy choices week. Speaking of elementary schools, Jefferson Elementary is having a disco bingo night on November 20th as an event for the whole family to enjoy. There's lots of games and prizes. Jefferson has also started their winter exchange where students can bring in raincoats, jackets, hats, all of that for Carlsbad community members in need to keep warm during the winter. Magnolia will be finishing their food drive partnership this Friday in partnership with the San Diego Food Bank. For

012families in need, they're also looking forward to their winter book fair which is going to be happening December 8th through the 12th. And at Valley Middle School, winter sports are starting up December 1st. They have basketball, cheer, girls field hockey, pickle ball, and running club, which is super exciting. And Valley's also taking our CUSD career pathways to another level. Students just learned how to measure, build, and cut their own picture frames with the VMS STEM shop. And then from Carlsbad Village Academy and Carlsbad Seaside Academy, they continue to build strong community connections and expand opportunities for students as the second quarter begins. On Friday, November 15th, staff from both CVA and CSA in partnership with Project Lit, which is Lead, Inspire, Teach, distributed Thanksgiving meals to families in need. Through this effort, 15 families received

013all supplies necessary to prepare a holiday dinner. This project reflects the commitment of our schools to serve and uplift the broader Carlsbad community. Earlier this month, a group of 15 seniors from CVA attended San Diego Trades Day at Palomar College. Students met directly with union leaders, training programs, and industry representatives from a wide range of trades. Many students returned inspired and motivated to explore apprentichips, tra skilled trades, careers, and additional post-secary training aligned with their interests. At Carlsbad Seaside Academy, students continue to thrive in independent study model with many balancing coursework, employment, and community college classes. Enrolling in graphic design CTE pathway also remains super strong with Seaside students continuing to attend onampus classes at CVA. Both Carllesbad Village Academy and Carlsbad Seaside Academy remain focused on expanding career exploration, strengthening community partnerships, and ensuring

014all students have the knowledge and support they need for life after high school. Sage Creek started November off with a food drive and blood drive hosted by ASB. The trimester came to an end the week this week um as they had finals which took place the second week of November. Sage also had the second meeting for students and belonging in partnership with the San Diego Board of Education that connects and uplifts students to schools. A college application workshop also occurred during lunch which offers which offered busy students further support on their college application during the school hours. Sports for Sage continue to thrive with signing day taking place in their gym for the college athletes. A yearly celebration of their hard work and dedication. A new to age winter sport parent meeting also occurred to

015help provide parents to the new school or new winter athletics. That's it. Thank you. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 6.2 by CUC PTA president. Please come to the podium. You will have five minutes to speak. >> Good evening, cabinet members and school board trustees. With Thanksgiving around the corner, this is the perfect time to express our deep gratitude for the Carlsbad families who continue to show up for one another. Whether it's joining their PTA, volunteering at events, or donating to a food drive, our school communities are stronger because of their care and commitment. This fall, we're especially proud of the collaboration between our PTAs to support local families through food drives. Buenav Vista, Kelly, Hope, Calaver Hills, Middle and Elementary, Magnolia, AOE, AOM all hosted drives, demonstrating how much our schools

016value community support. Schools like Jefferson and CHE were also able to receive overflow donations, including from Magnolia, making sure even more families felt that support this season. Other PTAs like Valley are working closely with community liaison and afterchool programs to help stock their pantries. And at Pacific Rim, the PTA proudly supports the student council in running their schoolwide food drive. Each school is bringing their own energy and creativity to campus life. Buista held a successful readathon and Red Ribbon Week and is getting ready for their upcoming Winterfest. Kelly Elementary raised strong funds through their Dragathon and is finishing their food drive this week. Hope Elementary's Monster Mash set a record with $25,000 raised. They've also launched a Hawk Hype crew to lead with kindness and school spirit and they're setting up their food pantry this

017month. Calaver Hills Middles together for a Halloween social and led a successful drive for their pantry. AOE brought back their Veterans Day assembly alongside a breakfast honoring veterans and their families. Sage Creek is in the process of gifting out teacher grants and has already gifted 3,100 in grants. Hold on. ALOM is showing their gratitude this week with a big fun thank you thankful pie bar to celebrate their incredible staff and teachers. Magnolia Elementary had a great participation in Red Ribbon Week and their trunk or treat, both events they plan to repeat. And their food drive was also a big success where they were able to donate their overflow. Calaver Hills Elementary, grateful for Magnolia's overflow, is gearing up for its always popular Winterfest. Carlbad High School is working with CTE to provide resume workshops for

018their students and has gifted $2,100 out in teacher grants. Pack Rim had a successful mount monster mash and is supporting Casa de Amparro that works to prevent and heal abuse and neglect a nonprofit in San Marcos. Each of the classes at Pac Rim are supporting a child. So thank you to our Carl'sbad families, thank you to the district cabinet, and thank you to our school board. We wish you all a joyful and restful week off next week. >> Thank you. And we'll move on to item 6.3, report by the CEO of the Carlsbad Ed Foundation. Thank you. You will have five minutes to speak. Good evening. I'm Laura Pittz. I'm the CEO at Carl'sb Educational Foundation. And we are officially in holiday concert season. So, I wanted to give you an update um from our

019music program. But before I'm sorry, before he leaves, I need to give my other update. We are also Can I just I can you stay for one second? [laughter] I have to Well, I have to take a I'm just so proud. He's one of our robotics students. I have talked to you guys about robotics as well. I shared with you that my son is in robotics. He's a fourth grader. This is what they look like when they've gone through the whole program. And so anyway, I just wanted to congratulate you. Um we were just very excited that you were being honored tonight. So you can escape now. Um but I was also going to talk about music and I was going to share with you that of course Carlwood Ed is really proud that we

020support music TK through 12th grade. And a program I wanted to highlight for you was a recent concert that was called Maragolds in Moonlight. I don't know if anyone was able to go. It was a Halloween concert. It took place at Sage Creek High School. And um it was partially it was through what they call the uh what do they call it? The Carl'sbad Unified String Collective. So it is a com combination of Sage Creek and Carlbad High. They work together on these concerts. And those teachers, the orchestra teachers at those two schools put together a grant request for us at the last um grant cycle and they came up with this mariachi club that they wanted to run. And so we funded this. It's a district-wide mariachi club that we have. And to launch

021the program, these teachers took um um completed some professional mariachi training over the summer and now the club is in full swing. And so for this Marolds and um Moonlight concert, they end they started the concert, they closed the concert and anyway, it's just it's really cool to see. So, there's a new club on town that you guys can go listen for. Um, and so it showcased our new instruments and this growing program. And so, I just thought it was a neat way that again teachers are collaborating. They're asking for for help and we're able to kind of connect them with things that make really awesome programs for the school. And then I was going to talk about robotics, but now I already did. So, I bring all of these to your to your forefront

022because it's a great transition to let you know that we are kicking off our annual campaign. It's the one time of year where we get a little bit louder with our community asking for community support. These types of programs are not made possible without community support, particularly the robotics program that I talk about a lot. Um, you can kind of see the the quality that it produces in these amazing students. It is a very large investment for the foundation to pull off a district-wide program like that. And so our end of year campaign kicks off. We're really looking forward to just building this deep philanthropic community. And in the role that all of you are s sitting here and everyone that's sitting behind me who obviously cares about education, I just ask you help amplify

023our message. There's lots of ways you can do that. The easiest way to do it is to follow us on social media. And if you're not following us, we are cbadedu and you can follow us on Instagram and Facebook. That's one way to amplify our message. Or you can talk about us when you're talking to the community or talking to your friends and family um over the over the break. It's a really nice way for you guys to remind them that we really need their support. We are raising um hoping to raise $50,000 for music, STEM, and educational innovation between now and the end of the year. And um whether people donate $20 or 200 or 2,000, it all matters. It all helps. So wherever they are, it's it's really great if we could get

024the whole community involved. Um one other thing I'll say about social media, we are running a fun contest right now. It ends on Friday. We are going to pull one winner from all of our followers from Instagram and Facebook. And that winner gets to choose an elementary teacher of their choice to win a $500 grant from the foundation. And they can do that what they will in their classroom. They can split it between a couple teachers if they prefer as well. But if you follow us, you could get chosen and then you could pick your favorite teacher, which will not be awkward for you at all. Um, and then lastly, I just want to remind people as we're heading into the holiday season where school is closed. Kids Care runs holiday adventure. It's run at

025Magnolia Elementary School. If families do need full-time child care, we encourage them to enroll soon. They have to be enrolled at least a week in advance because we close enrollment so we can be prepared for all of our students. So, they are encouraged to look at their schedule and enroll right away if they need anything for Thanksgiving or for Christmas. Thanks guys. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 6.4 report by the Lyuna president. And now we'll have five minutes. Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh good evening members of the board of trustees, cabinet, and all esteemed members of our community. As the holidays approach, our thoughts turn naturally to gratitude. And today I want to express profound thanks for the individuals who form the operational heart of our schools, our classified staff.

026We are a worldclass district and that title is built not just on great lesson plans and dedicated certificated staff, but on the safe, supportive, and clean environments our classified teams create every single day. I want to highlight the distinct and specialized talents each group brings to our learning environment. Every member plays a vital role, a role without which the entire system would falter. Instructional aids and pareducators. Their talent is compassion and applied application. They are an essential bridge translating complex educational plans and goals into tangible momentto- moment support for our most vulnerable students. Ensuring equity is a reality, not just a promise. Custodial grounds and maintenance staff. Their talent is expertise in health and safety. They are our quiet guardians, mastering complex sanitation protocols and facility repairs to ensure every building is safe, clean and

027functional and a functional place ready for learning, health tech, athletic trainer and LVN staff. Their talent is critical medical knowledge and quick intervention. They manage complex health needs, administer vital medications, and ensure students wellness is always the prerequisite for academic success. Nutritional services staff. Their talent is culinary skill and dedicated nourishment. They plan, prepare, and serve thousands of nutritious meals daily, ensuring our students have the essential energy and focus required to thrive academically. district office staff. Their talent is behind the scenes dedication. They are the heart of the entire district, working year round to ensure that people, systems, funds, and everything in between are where and when they need they're needed for all schools to operate. Technology support staff. Their talent is technical knowledge and immediate problem solving. They ensure all educational technology, networking and

028critical digital resources are functional, maintaining the digital infrastructure essential for 21st century teaching and learning. Office and clerical staff, their talent is organizational excellence and community connection. They manage the relentless flow of data, act as a first point of contact for our families, and keep our schools running with seamless efficiency. Campus monitors and campus safety staff. Their talent talent is balance of command and student welfare. They actively ensure the safety of all students, consistently serving as a friendly, reassuring adult presence that frames the beginning and end of each school day. This brings us to the core of our shared success, the symbiotic relationship that connects every employee in this room and across the district. We must recognize that the success of the board, the cabinet, and the certificated staff is directly dependent on the stability

029and well-being of our classified staff. Our classified staff provides the foundation, the safe, clean, healthy, and operational environment required for learning to occur. Our certificated staff provides a structure. Our cabinet and administration provide the resources and strategy. Our board of trustees provides a vision and accountability. When our classified staff are struggling, that foundation cracks. When our foundation cracks, the structure shakes. The resources and strategy go to waste and the vision can't be fulfilled. Accountability is what mends the cracks and puts everything else back in alignment. True worldclass performance as a unified district requires a commitment to the full circle of our workforce. We owe them not just thanks but the security and stability that allows them to perform their vital roles. Let us honor their contributions by ensuring that our investment matches the magnitude of

030their impact. Let us solidify our status as a truly worldclass district for all employees. Thank you. >> Thank you. And we now move on to item 6.5. Report by Q to president. No report. Thank you. And we now move on to item 6.6, superintendent report. Dr. Norman. >> Thank you, President Rawlings. I had a busy month. Continued handing out service pins with our HR team. The best part is when you enter the room and the the teachers or the classified staff assume that you're there for the students and they kind of back away and try to sneak away into the background and then we make all the kids look at them and celebrate them. So, it's really exciting and they're they're so humble in everything that they do. So, it's really great to see them

031be celebrated. Um, I attended the CEF stakeholder social. I met all of our generous supporters as well as our vendors who support Carlbad USD. I was honored to attend our district and to see the terrific turnout we had and we hope we can continue to get more and more parents to our DAC meetings. This one was recently held at Carlsbad High School. Um, I've been um going into lots of classrooms. I try to hit every site every month. What's really exciting is um the rigorous curriculum that's happening across the district. I was today at Buenov Vista Elementary and I saw the same science lesson that I had just seen over at Kelly. But what I love about teachers is they all put their own creative take on it, which is the best part of being

032a teacher. And so it's great to see a high quality curriculum being delivered ac across the district for everyone. And then um anyone who talks to me knows that I love football and I will be at the football game. I know we technically have the week off for some of us, but I'm going to be there. So will Mr. Norman. Um I don't often bring him to events, but he too is a football fan and so we will be there celebrating in our purple. And I'm also a former soccer player, so I will be at Copa De Carl'sbad tomorrow to check that out because I have heard from everyone it is the place to be. So thank you so much. Thank you. We now move on to part seven, public comment on non-aggenda items. Uh

0337.1 public comment regarding non-aggendaized topics that lie within the subject matter jurisdiction of the board. This is the time that members of the public have the opportunity to address the board on any non-aggendaized item that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the board. And we have received seven blue cards. And our first speaker is uh which I'm sorry. Um in order to allow speakers to present their comments and ensure we are able to properly attend to the business of the board per board bylaw 9323, public comments will be limited to 20 minutes. This means each speaker will have three minutes. When I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether or not you live within the boundaries of the school district. The spir the first speaker is Milton

034Shear. >> It's Hilton Sheer. Sorry. >> And I do live in Carlsbad School District. No worries. >> Hi. Um, first of all, I just want to thank the board and everyone in the school um district for all their hard work. I love living in Carlsbad and I'm super happy that my kids are in the school district, but there's always room for some improvement. Um, I got a lot of things so I'm going to talk kind of fast so um I get through them all. Um we all know in June 2025 the Supreme Court ruled that uh school systems must allow parents um the opportunity to opt out their children from classes which cause material conflicts with their religious beliefs. Um a few days ago my kid came home singing God Bless America. Um the song

035is definitely not in line with my family's beliefs. We were not giving any opportunity or notified um you know an ability to opt out of that. Um this is in in very poor taste as well as the song being um obviously you know not in line with my beliefs. Um is actually a song that's recognized being um written by a bigot. Um some of the lyrics that she's written were some had to pick the cotton that's why the were born. So I don't think that kind of material is appropriate in the school um environment. I think studying that kind of thing is fine but singing it and is to me singing something is a celebration of something. Um I did email the teacher. The only response that I got was noted to my um uh

036request about why the song was um sung. Um and not any response about upcoming material, how things will be handled in the future um and the policies that um that the school follows. I've spoken on this matter before and I really want the school board to actually create some policy for this. Um, I feel like teachers are just winging it here, and that's unacceptable, especially in a matter like this. Um, I'm also going to request that the pledge of allegiance be looked at in the school district. One nation under God is offensive to me. Um, not because I care about other people believing in God, but I am excluded from being an American when making a pledge. Um, and I think that's very offensive. Um, I am not under a god. I do not believe

037in God, but I am a valuable member of this nation. And I think that that line in that in in the pledge is should disqualify it from being used in schools or public meetings. Um I'm going to go through the other items super quickly because I'm running out of time. Uh ebikes and school premises. Um I've seen kids almost get hit their kids using the school grounds for racing their ebikes after school. This is still during while their kids um on premises for kids care or other things. Um I suggest the school board addresses that. Um the other thing is the school website. the the the district website I do not believe is ADA compliance. I'm a web developer. Um when trying to access the meeting schedule, it's a PDF. That is not an ADA

038compliant device on web. I do suggest looking into that before you end up in legal trouble. Um and last thing is I'm sure you're aware of the um bullying that's going on online um recently using school tools um like uh Google Classroom and uh Clever and um parents have observed kids uh on school recommended apps um where there have been adverts of bras and >> thank you I appreciate it. Thank you. Um and Dr. Norman, will you um follow up with this last speaker? Thank you. Um, Don Eds. >> Hi. >> Yes, I live in the district and I am a teacher in the district and I'm here to talk about all day kindergarten. 65 days into all day kindergarten. Two years ago, a young teacher from Vista came into my classroom to observe. She

039after spending the day with us, she looked at me and she said, "This early bird lead model is magical. Don't ever let it go. And here I am two years later um looking at fires all day long. Um kindergarten it's there was way too many managing behaviors in all day kindergarten and there aren't enough corners of a carpet to keep the challenging students separated. We have a pilot team meeting on Friday and I sat and I listened to my colleagues talk about the procedures that our kinders are good at and they are procedures are good at walking in line, walking to lunch. [snorts] But I also asked a couple questions privately and my interpretation of what they said is that they think that this is a done deal and I was under the impression that

040it is a pilot and I wonder you know where's the data and where's the data for that our program early bird and laid out wasn't good. Um these are my two most concerning questions. What I miss most about the LED model and the early bird model is the connections that I make with the kids when there's 12 kids. And now I have 21. In my 20 years of teaching, I've learned that quality far outweighs quantity, especially with 5-year-olds. Every transition now takes double the time and sometimes triple the time. Classroom management consumes enormous energy. Group instruction that I used to just love has become nearly impossible. And what you might think, well, let's get them into small groups sooner. Well, that's not the simplest solution. When I meet with six students, that means 15-year-olds are

041effectively unsupervised. Let me say that again. 15 children are unsupervised when I meet with a group of six. In all day model, we have lost meaningful one-on-one learning. We've lost these quick, more efficient lessons, customized instruction, hands-on learning, calmer classrooms, predictable routines and outcomes. My kindergarten teacher voice has become my fifth grade teaching voice. If you know, you know, and I don't like it. We've replaced it with time filling activities, constant management, and exhaustion. Even the simplest part of the day, like tying shoes, has become overwhelming. It's kind of like a part-time job. And on top of that, we have Heggerty and UFly and handwriting without tears in a brand new science curriculum, Go Math, teaching children how to hold a pencil, how to sit on the carpet, how to walk. And you're talking 21

042kids you're doing that with. Our job is to meet them to meet their physical, emotional, and developmental needs. Yeah, I didn't know I didn't mean that for that, but thank you. I appreciate it. Um, next speaker is um, Alli Monroe. And can we make sure that doesn't happen again out loud? >> Yeah. >> Hi, my name is Alli Monroe and I'm in the district. Um, my daughter is a student, a kindergarter at Hope Elementary in Miss's class. If you were hosting a birthday party for a group of 5-year-olds, would you ever be expected to be left alone with all those kids? That's what we're asking our teachers to do every day. A 21:1 ratio is not developmentally appropriate, no matter what any policy or law claims on paper. Kindergarteners need hands-on support, redirection, and emotional

043guidance. Every class needs an aid, or at least an aid shared between two classrooms. The schedule isn't working. My daughter comes home out of the gate greeting me with, "I'm hungry." Snack and lunch are too close together. Reversing recess and snack or lunch would help kids regulate blood sugar and be ready to learn. Kindergarteners shouldn't be mix shouldn't be mixing with first and second graders even briefly. They're learning how to socialize and need time with their own peers. They should also be eating their meals outside their classrooms in a calm age appropriate space. Classrooms are too dependent on parent volunteers which is not sustainable or equitable. Not every class has the same level of parent availability. Yet every child deserves the same level of support. I spoke with my neighbor Kate, a licensed occupational therapist

044who worked in Vancouver School District during their transition to full day kindergarten. She saw referrals for services spike over 300%. Not because kids suddenly had more needs, but because classrooms weren't equipped to support overstimulated, fatigued students. And to note, the same trends appear appears to be starting here in Carlsbad. From what I have learned from fellow acquaintances, that level of strain overwhelms teachers and drains the district's staffing and resources. Even some of the most experienced kindergarten teachers in the pilot, this model still isn't meeting the developmental or emotional needs of our youngest learners. I support full day kindergarten, but this model is not up to the standards families expect from Carl'sbad. Our children are not an experiment. They deserve a structure that truly supports them. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker is Jolene Vano. >>

045Hi, I'm Jolene. Um, a mother of three in the district. Um, all three girls play sports. So, I'm baffled by your response to my Title N request. You rejected it, saying it's not related to school district business. Half the student population is fe female. It's quite relevant to them. My daughter competed at the state track meet last year alongside the boy who stole the show. You can say that CIF's last minute changes made the competition more fair, but I will tell you it wasn't enough. Girls need their own space. All that did was create a toxic environment. There were protesters and then counterprotesters who actually got violent just outside the stadium. The meat was paused multiple times due to disruption and all the media attention was on that boy. Every time he got up to

046jump, a swarm of cameras were on him like paparazzi and then noticeably disappeared when it was just a regular girl jumping. It created a spectacle. While sports isn't about getting attention, you have to understand the optics of this. How we as females feel and perceive this. I grew up playing sports. I grew up watching girls sports always take a backseat to boys sports. And now we have boys infiltrating girls sports and stealing the show. Our girls deserve better than this. Certainly not a repeat of what happened last year. Furthermore, the minor changes that CIF made did nothing to solve the problem in team sports. If you're not aware, 10 girls volleyball teams forfeited games against that boy's team. Three girls on his team quit and filed a lawsuit. Complaints from those girls included being uncomfortable

047changing in the locker room with a male, butt tapping by the male player. The male player bragging about how he doesn't get period cramps because he has a custommade coochie and girls being spiked in the face and the male player joking about possibly causing concussions. Those girls were standing up for themselves and CIF's response was to silence them by threatening that any team who forfeits would be ineligible for playoffs next year. This is so wrong. Everything about CIF's position defies logic and science and federal law. Why is CUSD choosing to side with us? Your silence is a slap in the face to all girls in this district. Why is it that girls who transition to boys seem to have no problem competing in sports on their biological side? We see that often. Yet, boys who

048transition to girls demand to compete on the girl's side. Yes, we should have compassion for all children, but compassion does not mean capitulation. Girls sports and spaces are not therapy couches for boys with identity issues who seek success and attention that they can't achieve when they compete on their own side. I am asking you again to please take a stand for our girls or at the very least be willing to put it on the table for discussion. Thank you. Next speaker is Alla Clark. Hello, my name is Alla Clark and I do recite in the district. Um, I am going to speak on the kindergarten issue that Miss Ebs um previously addressed. Um, I am a mother of a current kindergartenner in uh Miss Eb's class. I myself am a graduate of the Carlsbad Unified

049School District. So I know firsthand what a wonderful district we live in and all the accommodations, all the extracurriculars uh we provide to our children. Um we are a recently retired military family and we have um had prior experience with several school districts across the nation. when it came to have a choice in my own child's education. After much research and consideration, we decided to come back to Carls. But for a well for its well-known reputation and proper accommodations the school district has been known for. Unfortunately, it is ev evident from the current school year. This has not been apparent. Our classes are currently lacking the proper structure, support, and staff our children and the teachers need. By witnessing this firsthand as a room mother and spending extensive time in the classroom, I have seen

050firsthand that a 20 um and upwards ratio to one teacher is not sustainable. Teachers are being spread too thin. Children are not being provided the proper individual focus in order to thrive in the most important formative years. If we plan to accommodate the essential education and developmental needs of our future generation, it is imperative that additional staffing support such as teachers aids or a change in the schedule as we have before early birds, late owls are essential in order to sustain the education our children deserve. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker is I hope I said this right. Uh Kristen Bahib. Say it again. >> Babaani. Thank you. >> Great name. [laughter] Thank you. >> Get my glasses off. All right. So, I am Kristen Babaani and I uh do reside in the district

051and I'm here to speak tonight on laptops in elementary schools. I thought it would be very helpful to share a little bit of my personal experience uh 20 years in the tech industry and specifically in education technology both as an account manager an attorney and finally a tech executive. So for the first 10 years of my career in technology I served as an account manager to law schools. I would teach faculty and I would teach law students on our platform which was an online law library. My job was to make sure they became as comfortable with the platform as possible. So, we turned students into customers as soon as possible. And I was measured against the performance of our competitors. I received bonuses when we looked at performance reviews and we looked at usage of

052these students on the platform. Um, we would collect data and create profiles of these students so that as soon as they graduated, we could continue to keep in touch with them and continue to sell to them. I personally was rewarded uh with bonuses and with luxury trips and I received a marketing budget every semester where I was allowed to take faculty and administrators and students to lunch in order to compel this process. Um in addition to this when I was promoted and I ran a global academic program uh we continued this model and I saw that this was a model that went across companies and went across the world. In fact, I had a skip level, one of my senior vice presidents refer to it as the correct dealership model. And that is because we

053provide the product to the students for free. We collect the data and we keep track of their usage. We make sure that they know how to use the platform, they're comfortable with the platform so that we can keep the money coming in. And as an you know this was one thing when it was with college age students and with post-graduate students law school students particularly but it concerns me a lot as a parent as this profile is getting younger and younger and I know from two decades of experience that the model is going to be the same and as an attorney I have to say I know that there are laws out there that prevent you know the leakage of this data but I also know what I saw in the budget office as well.

054Our legal department was fully stocked with a contingency budget. So, not just if a data breach happened, but when a data data breach happened or when a lawsuit occurred, we were covered and we had insurance. So, we could use that contingency money or we could use the insurance money or both depending on what the issue was. I also wanted to note that in my one of my my law school roommates, she lives up in the Bay Area and they don't have technology in elementary schools and one of the reasons why is because the tech executives that live there and they look at the data. So, Bill, Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and the late Steve Jobs, they have publicly analck acknowledged that they did not allow their kids to use laptops. >> Thank you. Thank you.

055>> Um, next speaker is Alexandra Leafford Newman. >> Hello. Um, my name is Dr. Alexander Leaf Newman. I reside in the district. I'm the mother of a first grade student at Magnolia. I serve as the room parent for her classroom. Um, I'm also on the Magnolia PTA executive board as recording secretary. Um, I'm also a clinical psychologist in private practice here in Carlsbad. I specialize in trauma and post-traumatic stress. Um, I have deep expertise in all kinds of trauma, particularly the impact of negative early uh developmental experiences on mental health issues in adulthood. I am here today to draw attention to the problematic use of Chromebooks in elementary school um and the need to take them out of our youngest classrooms. I was very disturbed and dismayed to to learn at the beginning of this

056year that my first grader was being given a Chromebook as a rotation during her reading time instead of reading an actual book or some other meaningful and developmentally appropriate activity. um and that she would be issued a login credential with all that implies. Um last year when I was in kindergarten, my understanding was that Chromebooks would be present in later grades, but I had no idea that they would be introduced so early and without notice or options. Um I have since had productive conversations with the principal. Um I have opted my daughter out of this practice, but this is going to be an ongoing issue as she continues and so I'm here to address that. Um there are many reasons why early Chromebook is not necessary and it's quite detrimental to young learners from both

057cognitive and emotional perspectives as evidenced by the literature as well as general anecdotal uh data from parents. Um a brief literature review will demonstrate that technology in the classroom is not a neutral topic at best the evidence is not strong that it is more beneficial than alternatives particularly in the early grades. Um indeed there is good evidence that is harmful to the learning process. It interferes with attention and memory processes. It triggers dysregulation in those who are particularly susceptible. It lowers test scores of cognitive abilities and it creates conflict in the home. Last year there was a lot of attention paid to this book, The Anxious Generation, which highlighted how our children are being really poorly served by the technology in their lives. The focus here was on their social emotional development. Um, I want

058to draw your attention to an op-ed in the New York Times that was published on Sunday, literally this past Sunday, by Dr. Gene Twenge of SDSU called The Screen That Ate My Homework. So, we've been focusing um and it's right here. Um so, we've been focusing really heavily on uh phones and handheld devices without noticing the insidious nature of laptops and Chromebooks in our young children's classrooms. Um they have very easy exposure to inappropriate content. There's constant distraction and the outcomes are really poor um from cognitive perspective. Um so, I'm just going to read a little bit here for you in the remaining time that I have. So, if school districts want to improve their test scores and most are desperate to do so, changing the way students use schoolisssued devices is critical. Um, parents

059should have the option to opt out. Districts could even eliminate school electron electronic devices entirely. Many parents and teachers might protest this. However, one study of nearly 300,000 fourth and eighth graders in the United States found that students who spent more time using digital devices in language arts classes performed worse on reading tests. And a 2018 meta analysis found that reading on paper compared with reading digitally led to significantly better comprehension among students. The data is endless. And so I request that we look at the policy taking these devices out of our young young young kids classrooms. >> Thank you. Um and Dr. Norman, will you um follow up with that parent? Thank you. >> We now move on to part eight, consent calendar. All matters listed on the consent calendar are considered by the

060board to be routine and will be enh enacted by the board in one motion. There will be no discussion on these items prior to the time the board votes on the motion unless there is a board request for one or more specific items to be removed from the consent calendar for discussion. Have it blue cards. This is a blue card for close session. >> Yes, we have one blue card. Thank you. Um for consent calendar. Thank you. Um when I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether or not you live within the boundaries of the school district. You'll have three minutes. Um speaker is Scott Davidson. >> Good evening. Uh tonight I'm speaking on 8.10 on the personnel commission appointment. Educa education code 45244 requires that the reappointment

061for the p personnel commission be quote a known adherent to the principle of the merit system. Do we know if the nominee tonight believes in the merit system? Our union contract, for example, is not a merit-based system, as Trusty Ward uh was discussing a few months ago when we were talking about a meto contract for our administrators. We do have some evidence of this nominees stance on merit. She is one of the few uh uh people in Carlsbad who contributed to Trusty Rawlings campaign and therefore likely supports the union position that pay should not be based on merit but should be based simply on raise lock and step raises guaranteed annually. We do actually know some um tonight's reappoint Carmen Renee did put her money where her mouth is. She is one of the few

062individuals who, like I said, contributed, and President Rawlings was employed by the California Teachers Association, had over 70% of her campaign funded by that union, and has a 100% record of voting in favor of the union's interests. So, the question for the board is whether appointing Miss Renee to the personnel commission follows state law since she has financially contributed to the schoolboard trustees who do not believe or support in the principles of the merit system. Please vote accordingly. Trustees, are there any items to be pulled for discussion? >> No. May I have a motion to approve the consent calendar with the I'm sorry. Uh, may I have a motion to approve the consent calendar? >> Motion. >> Second. >> A motion from Trusty Ward. Second from Trusty Emmery. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote.

063Trusty Cioce, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbette, >> no. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 4 to one. >> Thank you. We will now skip to part nine, presentations, as we do not have any presentations. Wait, what? >> I'm sorry. There we go. Okay, we don't have any presentations this evening. So, now we're going to skip to part 10, uh, business services, uh, item 10.1, setting at the annual organizational meeting. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Superintendent Dr. Norman. Thank you, President Rawlings. California Ed Code sections 35143 and 72000 C2 provides that each school district shall conduct an organizational meeting for the 2025 to be held between December 1st and December 20th, 2025. and that the

064day and time of the annual organizational meeting shall be selected by the board at a regular meeting prior to the December 1st, 2025. The secretary and the board shall notify the county superintendent of schools of the day and the time selected and within 15 days notify all members and members elect noting the date and time selected for the organizational meeting. December 10th, 2025 falls within the time span as required by the education code and can be specified as the annual organizational meeting. At this meeting, the board will elect from its members a new president, vice president, and clerk. It is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees set the annual organizational meeting on Wednesday, December 10th, 2025 to be held at the Carlsbad Unified School District office and published in advance of the meeting. I

065now hand it back to President Rawlings. Thank you. This is time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? No questions. May I have a motion for the board of trustees to set the annual organizational meeting on Wednesday, December 10th, 2025 to be held at the Carlsbad Unified School District office and published in advance of the meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. We have a motion by trustee Emory, second by trustee verb. Discussion. No discussion. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Student board representative Stila. >> Yes. >> Trusty COC. >> Yes. >> Trusty Verb. >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory. >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5

066to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to 10.2 approval. Carlsbed Village Seaside Academy proposed project trustees. This is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Nin. >> Thank you, President Rawlings, trustees and Dr. Norman. Tonight we're bringing forward an item regarding Carl'sbad Village Academy and Carl'sbad Seaside Academy. As a board knows, both programs are currently operating in portable classrooms at Chestnut and Valley spaces that would require significant accessibility upgrades and essentially full replacement far beyond the original $3 million which was allocated in the master plan originally. The permanent campus originally designed for CBA is currently leased by Nixie uh the North Coastal Consortium for Special Education for use of the North County Academy. Last November, the district notified Nixie that the lease will conclude after this year. This

067decision will allow us to return CVA and CSA to a dedicated facility uh which can be refreshed efficiently and meet the program needs and provide safe, accessible and permanent learning environments for our students. The proposed scope of work for that campus, including classroom refresher refreshes, uh administrative space improvements, site work, and campuswide safety upgrades. Staff respectfully recommends the passage of agenda item 10.2. 2 and I'll turn it back over to President Rawlings. >> Thank you. And this is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Uh trustees, do you have any questions? I have a question and this is a followup and staff, I want to thank you so much for um answering our questions in advance of the meeting. Um,

068and I did want to follow up um that with the with the additional space that is at the site um you answered the question by saying that um there may be some additional NIX folks there. Could you elaborate on that? Yeah, we're still uncertain um to see if uh Nixie wants to remain um potentially there could be a program that could remain in the two uh the sidebyside portables that were placed uh in that program, but we're still working with Nixie to determine um what it is they want to do and whether or not they want to terminate the lease or if they have options to still remain for partial um part of that program >> and what would that entail that program and how much space would that require? >> Yeah, we're still working

069on those details. We haven't gotten into that with them at this point in time. Um we would certainly bring that back to the board for consideration. Um if they had an interest in extending or keeping the lease in any way. And then if they did not, would you be looking at um you had mentioned robotics. Would that also that decision be finalized at the board level as well? >> Yeah, I think eventually we would bring that decision back to the board how we would utilize any available space. Um just so the board's aware. Absolutely. >> Thank you. Other questions? Trusty Amry. >> Um one thing I had kind of failed to consider um when we were looking at this was uh in this plan, what does that do to the current CVA site? Does that

070require demolition? Is it going to stand as is for a while or what is the plan? >> Yeah, the thought is that those portables would go away. Um there are some of our oldest portables in the district and then some slurring at this point in time. Um of that area, but um we would need to bring back any type of um upgrades or modernization of that area for a future consideration for the board. At this point in time, we don't have um a plan for that area. >> And and follow up to that is >> is the removal of those in this projected budget. >> Yeah, I would say they are. And um in speaking with uh director Kim Brell, she believes that hopefully we can do that um fairly budget friendly. Um there's folks

071out there that will sometimes pick these up and take them away and and so we'll engage in that to do it as the most costefficient way as possible. >> Other questions? >> You do have one. >> Yeah. >> Trusty for >> um is it safe to assume that the campuswide upgrades including the fire alarm security upgrades and access controls are what are the bulk of the costs construction costs? for CVA. Um, yeah, I'm getting a nod that yes, that's um pretty safe to assume that those those are the bulk of the upgrades. Correct. [snorts] Other questions? Okay. May I have a motion for the board of trustees to approve the proposed project for Carl'sb Village Seaside Academy? >> So moved. >> Second. Trusty verbth made the motion a second by trustee Ward and discussion. Okay,

072discussion. Miss Garcia, please call for vote. >> Student board representative Stoba. >> Yes. >> Trusty COC. >> Yes. >> Trusty Verbath. >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory. >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward. >> Yes. >> Trusty Rawlings. >> Yes. Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 10.3. award Carl'sb Village Seaside Academy preconstruction services to Lassardi a construction company trustees. This is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Knight. >> Thank you again, President Rawlings, trustees and Dr. Norman. This next item is directly related to the project we just discussed for Carl'sbad Village Academy and Carlbad Seaside Academy. At this time, we are requesting approval to enter into a preconstruction service agreement with Lassardi Construction Company. The pre-construction work will include site evaluations, design assistance, and

073collaboration with the architect to develop the final construction documents that will ultimately come back to the board for a future lease lease back construction agreement. Staff respectfully recommends the passage of agenda item 10.3. I'll turn it back over to President Rawlings. >> Thank you. This is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? No questions. U may I have a motion for the board of trustees to approve Lassardi construction company to perform pre-construction services for the Carl'sb Village Seaside Academy project. >> Motion second. >> It's a motion by Trusty Ward, second by Trusty Emory. Discussion. I will just say that I've been very pleased with the work that um Lassardi has done for this district

074and correct me if I'm wrong, they are at um AOM AOE right now and uh one of the things that they have done beyond um what would be expected is they've allowed the construction uh career pathway to um uh to actually help students build their own school if they choose to. And then they have VR goggles in order to be able to visualize the what the current construction would look like. So they actually had three different um sessions on the campus and that's something that this company didn't have to do and they did anyway. So I'm very impressed with this company. So um I will definitely be voting uh to support this. Any other discussion? No discussion. U Miss Garcia, please call for vote. >> Student board representative Stoba. >> Yes. Trusty COC, >> yes.

075>> Trusty Verbath, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 10.4, report from construction management measure HH facilities. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Ny. Just give us one moment. We're going to get uh casting here arranged and then we'll go from there. All right. While we get that um up and running tonight, staff will provide a comprehensive update on measure HH bond uh program budget. The purpose of this presentation is to give the board a clear and thorough picture of where the program stands today, including what has been completed to date, the projects currently underway, and the projects that remain as we

076move into the final phases of the bond implementation. This evening, I'm joined by several staff and partners who are joined me who have joined me uh to present this information. Obviously, we have our director of facilities, Jessica Kimrell, who will talk us or will who will help walk us through the project updates across all school sites. Tana Alam is from key analytics who prepared many of our financial reports. Uh we thank her for being here tonight. Anton Tony Pacheco Taylor from Lionus who is leading our long-range facilities master plan update and can share the preliminary cost modeling and pricing uh for the remaining project list uh the board will be reviewing. Uh next slide please. Throughout this presentation, we will cover current project costs, financial trends influencing the program, and options for phase three priorities

077based on the board's prior direction, including your September 2025 study session. Ultimately, tonight's presentation is intended to help frame the decisions before the board regarding how to allocate the remaining measure HH funds and how best to prioritize the work that lies ahead. So this evening, just to frame it, what we're asking for uh from from the board is specifically seeking direction from the board on how you would like us to proceed with the remaining available bond funds as they relate to the remaining project list we'll be presenting. Next slide, please. Uh we've included a timeline and back uh background. This slide is a brief timeline of presentations and updates to the board since September of 2023. The timeline is included to provide a clear context for the board, showing the key decisions, milestones, and program

078developments that have brought us to this point tonight. It demonstrates the progression of work over the past several years and sets the foundation of why the board direction on the remaining funds is needed this evening. Next slide, please. Uh this slide shows the life cycle of our projects organized by phase by phase. Phase one which included campuswide renovations, steam labs, district-wide sustainability efforts. Phase 2A includes major modernization projects at elementary and middle schools, which many of these now are in either construction or closeout. And then phase 2B includes Airaa Oaks Middle, Colorado Village Academy and Pacific Rim projects that are now in construction or in the design pipeline. Next slide please. Uh this slide uh shows the remaining 2B through five or excuse me it shows uh phases three through five and lay the potential

079groundwork for the remaining work. Next slide. Um, this one's a good one because it shows all of our projects at each of the sites and it gives a site-sight look at each school and how the work associated with it across all phases. It shows which improvements are complete, which are underway, and which still remain in upcoming phases. Next slide. So, this this slide shows the full funding picture for measure HH. included are on the left are the three series that we sold for the bond issuances. So there's bonds uh issuances A, B, and C. Um and then along the right, that first column, you'll see the total amount of issuances sold in blue and then the interest is um included in red on top. So roughly around $275 million uh was generated through the bond.

080It also shows expenditures to date and the remaining balance on the far right hand side. So you'll see that in green and the then the purple is the cash that we still have um uh on hand in regards to the remaining projects. Next slide. Here we show the district's current funding position between measure HH and developer fees. So you'll see a total of uh $89,611. Um our remaining balance of 896. Of that roughly 70.6 million is already committed to projects currently underway. Uh that leaves just under $19 million available for phase three and any other remaining capital improvement projects. I'm now going to turn it over to Director Kim Brell who's going to provide you an overview of the projects completed or currently underway in each phase along with updated budget summaries for each phase

081and site. Uh this section outlines district-wide costs, key cost drivers such as rising construction prices, and the impact of the escalation on the remaining work. So, I'll turn it over to her. And >> thank you. >> Um thank you. And this evening, uh, Toronto and I are going to kind of do a back and forth in our presentation on this part. We're just going to highlight the projects that took place and then we'll dive into the funding that, um, was associated with this project. And the way that we broke up this presentation um, was similar to the phases that we already saw. So, in the first phase, we really looked at Magnolia, Hope, and Kelly and what those [snorts] projects looked like. And in a second we'll talk about the expenditures but also too I

082think it tells the story of the economic impact of the on the program between um COVID uh material increases, labor increases and that's kind of it it naturally kind of lent itself to that. So um here you can just see some of our final products of the work that was done at Magnolia Hope and Kelly. And on the next slide, we're going to kind of recap where we were with the budget on those. >> Good evening. I'm Toron Alam, uh the managing director of key analytics, and I'm happy to be here today. Uh we looked at the district's financials going back to the inception of measure HH and reconciled all of the numbers back to the district's books to look at all the detail behind all the costs. And so this basic summary for each

083phase highlights that information. Uh, for example, on page 10, phase one projects included Magnolia, Hope, and Kelly, construction start dates were January uh 2019 and June of 2019. The amounts in column C represents the budgets that were um set forth in the master plan to be allocated to those campuses for projects in those campuses. The uh column D highlights how much has been spent to date from uh all of the different series of measure each uh age edge and it also uh the next column column E highlights the amounts that was spent from developer fees and the column F is funds that were spent for either from either CFDs or certificates of participation that is kind of a payback uh with the CFDs. So, and then the column G represents the remaining costs. Since phase

084one projects are fully completed, you're seeing no additional costs uh will be paid. So, in total, these projects cost uh 76.5 million versus the 66.7 million that was initially uh in the master plan. And like Jessica mentioned, that's as a result of uh so many different factors. Construction inflation is now about 15%. an average elementary school costs about $130 million. I'm working with one of the districts that that's how much it cost and it's just it it's it's unreal what is happening. So, uh the last column takes the delta the difference between the original budget and the master plan versus the actual costs of those three uh campuses. And this is how each one of the phases is highlighted. One of the things that I think we really learned in um phase one, particularly at

085Hope and Kelly, was um the impact of the requirements from the city. Um for those that aren't familiar, both Hope and Kelly were um became uh required for us to submit to the city of Carlsbad for a storm water and grading uh permit. And that's where a lot of additional costs for those projects came in. both Hope and Kelly became um a two-phase project. One where we were able to continue the work that was we were already done, but we had gone out for second contracts uh to really complete the storm water and grading work. So, um you see that reflected in some of the costs here, but it was also one of the things that wasn't taken into account during the 201718 master plan and has heavily impacted our projects as we move forward

086and we'll see that in the coming slides. Um, in phase two, we were able to do a substantial amount of work um, at Valley Middle School. It looked pretty um, unrecognizable compared to to what it looked like. Um, at Jefferson Elementary School, we were able to build the culinary um, arts lab as well as the steam lab, modernized uh, some of the portables that were there on campus. At Buenov Vista that's currently under construction, um, we're revitalizing the whole entire campus proper. um really giving it the facelift that it needs. Aviara Oaks and Aviara um elementary and middle school, you know, um this is such a unique project is because they're on the same property. And this was one of the ones that was really impacted the most when it came to storm water and

087grading because even though in our world, right, there are two campuses. It's an elementary school and a middle school. It's not viewed that way by the um department of environmental health for the recycled water and it's not looked at that way uh in terms of the city of Carlsbad and the storm water um and grading component of it. Um everything flows south onto the elementary school campus. So when we were building the retention basins and developing what that um scope of work looked like to fulfill those needs, we had to build bigger retention basins to account for all of that. Um so it and that's highly reflected um in in the cost to come. One of the other things that has impacted it is um one of the initiatives was throughout the phases was uh

088to look at the traffic uh concerns at the campus and mitigating that. Um and then the other work that we're continuing on um officially tonight uh with CVA and CSA uh and then the work at Pacific Rim. So we still have that up and coming. One of the things before uh Toronto gets to start sharing about um the budgets here. So, one of the things that we do when we do our budgets for project these projects in particular, and we'll touch on it in a couple more slides here in in a few minutes, is um traditionally the um soft cost versus hard cost split is a 7030. we will always budget to that. Um and and you see that reflected here. So while there's still a high amount of remaining cost to complete, there still

089is an opportunity for us to save monies within the project. Um for Aviara Oaks uh Elementary in particular, there's still an allocation of $3.1 million on that line item um budgetwide, right? because the budgets are consist of multiple items. Um we are substantially complete on this project. We look to um take the notice of completion to the board either in December and or January. So we are really close to crossing that finish line. Once we do that, we make the last payments. There is a great opportunity for savings there. Um so I might some might ask me, well, how much? I don't know yet. We haven't crossed that line, but I see there's at least six figures in that number that we can what we do what we call back bring back to the pot.

090So, put it back into measure HH and we can dive into that a little bit more as we go through the project development recommendations that we have uh in a few minutes. >> As Jessica said, you know, most of the projects if they have already been bidded, all the costs are known because you know exactly what your costs are with the lease lease back you have a final cost and all of that is known. When a project is in the design phase, there's usually factors like escalation and allowances and inflation. All of those things need to be factored in. So all the real costs are not known until you award that contract and the contractor contractor guarantees the the final cost. So looking at that uh factor on page 13 for phase 2 projects, the

091master plan assigned $107 million budget to these projects. But as you can see in the last column H this project is projected to be about 181 million of which uh today um you know the 67 million is what's remaining um that that has not been paid in column G. So it's 73 million over the original budget that was in the master plan for the factors that we discussed. And like Jessica said some of this these funds for those projects that haven't started may be less than projected. If we look at the original contract or the construction start dates and those were the time in which the board approved the contract to the general contractors. You can see the shift in time. While Jefferson was awarded in June of 2022, um the scope of that work

092was so small. There wasn't mechanical unit replacement. Um there wasn't a lot of asphalt and concrete work. We weren't building new um new classrooms. um we weren't really using materials that had the most cost escalation and we'll see that in a minute and that's why that one is still within budget. But if you start looking at the bigger scale projects like Aviara Oaks that um the roofing, the mechanical, all of the materials became substantially higher over time just based on what we'll show in a couple minutes, the industry at that time um and the timing of it. It is. It's at the elementary school that I mentioned earlier at one of the large school districts originally started about 36 million all in costs. We're now talking about 130 million. I I can't tell you there

093were a lot of factors involved in that particular process which was also site acquisition. They had to purchase some properties but still it seems unreal to me. A high school used to cost that much. So just from my experience working with so many districts, the inflation and escalation is a real unfortunate thing that's happening. >> Um in phase three, we know that we've been talking now for several months about the the five remaining sites, Cala Hill, Sage Creek, Pointedia, uh and Carl'sbad High. Um but I did want to remind the board that we have already invested money in some projects there at the school sites. the steam lab at Cala Hills, the steam lab at Point Cityia, those standalone projects that were previously done, uh Carl'sb High School science lab, classroom renovations, uh, as well

094as one of the chiller plants at Carl'sbad High got upgraded a while back. And then, uh, uh, solar at at Sage Creek was something that we had. So, we wanted to kind of give a highle view. while while there was costs allocated um and assigned to those projects um there have been monies that were spent there. So this was just a highle view of what that looked like. The financial picture of phase 3 91.1 million was supposed to be assigned to the projects in this particular phase. Uh to date some um planning work has been done but those additional projects are on the following page. So in order to do all of these projects currently, you know, 69 million is a comparison between the original budget and what's remaining, but it's probably going to be

095another 50% added to that at the full scope of those projects because these are budgets from the 1718 fiscal year uh which will be substantially higher. Um on the page behind that on page 16 these are the additional projects that were done that were not part of the master plan. So energy conservation projects fencing security technology uh relocatable replacement steam labs uh then the miscellaneous district-wide expenditures um that are related to um a school funding program. So 11.9 million has been spent on those projects that was not part of the original master master master master plan. >> And then the next slide really just shows uh an overview of all of those things on on one sheet so we could really look at the overall picture. >> Yeah. And on this page, as you can

096see, it shows the $70 million in the column G. Uh that is remaining cost to complete. And going back to um page um eight uh where we highlighted the summary of the funds um remaining 89.6 million remaining versus the 70 million for the projects that are currently underway for the remaining cost to complete. that provides 18.9 million to be spent on all of the remaining projects um which is um you know the remaining cost to complete is substantially higher than the funds on hand. [snorts] >> So the bond program budgeting overap that we I'd kind of alluded to earlier was really looking at the at how the bond program budget is very unique compared to the rest of the school district budget. each other uh department really truly runs on a fiscal byfiscal year basis.

097Um the bond program is a multi-year budget. So you have projects that span the course of three to four years from the date of concept to completion in some cases. I think um Aviara Oaks was already elementary school was already in the works when I got here three and a half years ago and we're just wrapping it up and there was design before that. So it um that's one of the unique things about our our budgets, hard costs and soft costs. Um the brickandmortar cost, which is the hard cost, and then you have the soft cost, which is all of the architect fees, DSA fees, inspector fees, all the compliant fees. Um at times furniture. Um and so we wanted to highlight there again the industry standard was 7030. uh we were able to go

098back and calculate um and kind of reconcile our budgets against that 7030 and right now the district is running a 7525 split. So what that shows is that we're efficiently using uh our resources and our staff and our inspectors and our architects and getting us to the finish line. So like I said earlier, we'll always budget to the 7030, but there are contingencies in built within the budget to return back to the program at the completion of a project. some of the cost considerations and these are things that we've talked about um over the years and and again today is just the constraint of the authorization of 265 million um bond programs um generally could come up with a higher need. But when you go to vote, when you go to reach out to the

099voters to see what's palatable for the community to take on in terms of a bond, that number is generally substantially lower. Um so so here we were fortunate enough that we passed $265 million, but there was probably a growing need at that time. Um the original cost estimates for the projects that were built into the 2018 master plan of 265 did not include the soft costs. um it did not include escalation and um that is challenging when we um go through the master plan process. We then come up with an implementation plan so we're able to figure out when the timing of the projects are going to be taking place and we factor for that and Tony will talk about that a little bit more when we highlight the costs that we have shared and

100brought to the table for phase three. um things other things that we didn't or couldn't consider in 2018. Um tariffs uh >> co as much as I didn't want to say the co word um because I think we're beyond that um in terms of talking about it. But um building code changes, new sustainability requirements um now for new buildings they used to have to be solar ready but now you're required to add solar. those things are an additional cost to the project, not necessarily to the buildings. Um, also the storm water requirements. Um, we've shared this a few times um since um 2023, but these were just highlighting the changes that have taken place in 24 and 25. I can't explain a negative 1.33% uh but uh that has taken place in this it's not

101that it goes from 15% to 9.3 you add the 9.3 to the 15%. Um and then in this case in 2025 we're adding a half a percent. So these are just the accumulation of percentages of uh construction cost rises over time. This is another slide. We have shared this in the past, but we wanted to in 2023, we wanted to show the cost um impact for each of these specific line items as these are very typical of almost every single project that we do. So, we wanted to show the cost change there as well as the cost change just in the last two years, how much that's increased. Um, so some it's gone up a smidge, a couple percentage points, but that's reflective in the graph that you just saw before. wage rates was one

102of the has been one of the biggest impacts and these are prevailing wage rates as our projects require us to pay prevailing wage rates and we just wanted to show dollar fordoll um these were pulled there's two determinations released each year um this was the first one in February of uh February 22nd of that corresponding year so you can see that there's been a substantial increase there um there's I was going to say there's nothing under 25%, but I see one. The plumber increase was um 21.6% but it goes upward of 40% just in labor wage rate costs. [clears throat] Um in a previous presentation that we gave I just wanted to highlight that um when we went dollar fordoll this was the original um list how it was presented in 201718 for the projects

103and we did uh an analysis in 2023 and identified at that point in 2023 that um like forlike projects just updating the per square foot price the bond program jumped from $265 million to $371 million and that was just hard cost. If we factor then in um uh the soft cost we did um we it this was figured at 25% [snorts] we were looking at $463 million is what the program would have cost at that time in 2023. So we just wanted to share what that was like. And now what I'm going to do is Tony and I are going to start engaging in the proposed projects for phase three. Um in September when we had our board study session um our lengthy board study session we really got to engage in healthy conversation about

104what our project should look like and what direction we should we could go and we've talked before too that it's it's really an alle cart kind of menu. we could really do any project. But now we purposefully didn't ask um didn't present the financial part because it was um interesting for us to gather what kind of work that we should be doing based on your guys's recommendation. So Tony, if you could go ahead and walk us through um what we are looking at for each school site. >> Yeah, absolutely. And so throughout this >> there it is. So throughout the facilities master plan work that we've been doing with the site assessments and um going out to each site going through um getting feedback from the constituents. We had put together a list of projects

105kind of holistically. um as we were honing in on, you know, we wanted to make sure that when we presented um you know, these these projects, we were pulling out some of the um the big ticket items or the the items that people were um talking about and and were coming up in our assessments as well. And so we pulled out some of those projects. We're trying to align the projects that we're proposing uh to move forward with the c the dollars that are available. um you know but also highlighting some of the pieces that have come out through the meetings and so at Poinsedia um the list of the projects that we have up there you know safety and security improvements at the administration um you know access controls which is something that's been

106done at all of the projects that have um had work done as part of this bond phase that's something that we pulled out um we tried to you know we're looking at pulling out um pieces of projects that can be standalone that make sense to move forward ahead of other pieces pieces. Um, so intercom systems, roofing, flooring, um, really looking at those pieces that were uh, you know, on the on the older end of their product life on those sites. Um, manhole repair replacement. So that's looking at um, you know, making sure that the infrastructure systems are working properly. Um, fencing, gates, separating black top and fields. Um that's really, you know, looking at the joint use um facilities and making sure that there's some se separation between the school sites and the fields um

107that are joint use. And then site improvements, looking at security, um perimeter fencing, some beautifification, kind of parking lot, blacktop um kind of the front uh front door of the school site. So at Cala Hills and the middle school, the drop off improvements was a piece that um was something that was in development. um you know and there's been some studies on what uh you know what kind of an impact uh an improvement on um that drop off can do to help alleviate um some of the issues that are there now and also help the safety of students during that pickup and drop off period. Uh then looking at the safety and security improvements again at at the administration space um access controls uh the steam lab at the middle school which steam lab was

108provided at the elementary but not at the middle school. Um so that was again a trying to identify some of those potential standalone uh projects that make sense to move forward. And then removing carpet from the walls at the middle school. That was something that we definitely wanted to have in there um to to move that forward. when looking at Carl'sbad High School um some of the you know the work that we're looking at is the stadium improvements um understanding that the stadium fields um and some of those improvements the fields uh kind of at the end of their useful life and so uh that replacement is is something that would be good to move forward again fire alarm um upgrading the fire alarm system throughout the site um as it's uh you know aging

109and then access controls and chiller pump replacement um for for that site as well. Um, Sage Creek, we talked about the storm drain repair, um, kind of soil mitigation. We we had throughout the pro um, throughout the development, we're looking kind of sitewide for that. And and here we're really looking at identifying the areas just around the buildings uh, where it's affecting path of travel, where it's affecting the infrastructure. And so kind of isolating that to to um, you know, identify that cost. Um and then soil mitigation repair uh around the track and field areas as that's something you know if you're going to be doing work on the track and field um project that's something you need to kind of factor in or at least take into consideration soil mitigation and repair at the

110remainder of the site. So this would be you know kind of baseball fields perimeter of the site um some of the hillsides around um that that cost is also identified. So you can see those different pieces broken out. Um then we've got the stadium improvements just identifying kind of just the track and field and lighting. Um those improvements which would go above and beyond the soil mitigation that would happen under those baseball and softball field access and fencing. Um that was you know big one having uh identified that project as as a uh something that would be important to the access to those fields. And then HVAC controls another sitewide component that needs work. and then access controls at that site as well. >> So, one of the things that we did when we were

111putting this together, um, when we were first looking to present this, there's a few other columns. So, it showed like the initial hard cost, uh, it showed a 5% escalation. It then showed the 30% soft cost and then it also had a 10% contingency. So, we really wanted to approach these projects in a very conservative approach. Um, one of the things that we wanted to do was really um, just be prepared. I mean, our we're always of the mindset that, you know, you overbudget and then you return something back into the to the kitty later on and look at other [snorts] projects that we can start chewing off, right? Um so so we really looked at all of these and kind of put together what we thought from really a facilities maintenance and operation safety

112and security standpoint one option and then we proposed another option. Um really they're conversation starters to us. Um but we really just wanted to come in here with some kind of plan and then we can kind of go from there. The other thing that we did is um I kind of looked at one of the I think in one of the later slides like looking at what could be a fasttrack project and something that we could potentially do this summer versus starting the design now and then coming to um construction in in summer of 2027. So we'll just dive into that right now. So, um, access controls, we looked at, um, to kind of just round out that initiative with that is the key fob locks at every exterior door to the classrooms, having that

113push down button in in a couple locations within the office so that in the case of an event, you can push the button, all the doors lock. [cough] So, that's what we talk about when we talk about access controls. And we have through modernization been able to do that at each of the sites and plan on doing it at the sites that we're currently working on right now. These were just the ones that we couldn't get to to be able to do a full modernization but would like to get it to that same level uh for parody districtwide when it comes to to safety. Uh the intercom system at pointia is another one of those safety measures and one of those projects that I would call fasttrack. Um in the parking lot um at Point

114Stadia, there's a manhole that there's some changes uh around the outside of it. Some of the areas are sinking in a couple of the parking spaces. We really want to see what's going on with the infrastructure around that manhole all the way down to the storm drain so that we don't have any further issues. Um and as Tony had talked about when it comes to the fencing and gates separating the black top and the fields, this is a heavily utilized um campus during Friday night lights and during football season and really um we have uh kids care there until 6:00 and there's still um access of comingling from time to time just based on the volume of people that are there after hours. So putting that up not only protects the students um dur that

115are still there during the day but al also after hours. We've talked about protecting the assets um at several other campuses where we've done this kind of similar thing. Um we proposed doing the drop off improvements at both the elementary school and middle school to see if we could help mitigate some of that traffic access controls and then um doing the carpet removal there. Uh Carl's bed high. We were recommending doing the fire alarm access control and chiller pump too. If you guys um had recalled earlier this year, there was a water mane break that shut down the HPAC um system there for a period of time. This would just help expand its life point to well while we can't prevent pipe damage uh just make sure that the rest of the system is operating

116at its full capacity. Um, and the the fire alarm there is older and there's also multiple systems that are are in place there. So, doing systemwide from a maintenance and operation standpoint as well as fire alarms not randomly triggering uh during the day was was our recommendation there. And then Sage Creek, we really wanted to start taking a bite of that elephant when it comes to the soil mitigation um and uh and storm drain repair there. So, we do know as we presented in September that there is a a broken storm drain that we think is being caused by the shifting of the soils. Um so, we would mitigate the soils in in and around the buildings and fix the storm drain. There is still a substantial amount of areas that would need remediation, but

117if we were to do that, we could spend all the remaining available balance of measure HH just to focus on Sage Creek and we still wouldn't be able to complete all the work. But this is really to us um looking at the main traveled areas a high priority. And then we talk about the um we recommended the baseball and uh softball field access and fencing. there's um at this point in time there is a bridge to get out there but otherwise there's no maintenance vehicle that's able to get uh out to that area and so that was going to be one of the projects that we recommended um just for sustainability of that area ease of maintenance amongst other things and then uh again to wrap it up access controls just to put a big

118bow on that one we did come up with an alternate option very similar in nature uh but one of the things that we had done instead of um fire alarm and sorry chiller pump at Carl'sb High was really where we had that biggest shift as well as not doing the traffic improvement at Cala at the Calaveras. Um, so this was just uh an alternate option and then as I just previously um had kind of touched on was um when we start making the decision we would be able to start hiring architects um between now and January would kind of be our vision really focusing in on the fasttrack projects, the ones that we can um just get in there and do not a lot of design work would need to go into it. Um, and

119then we could start planning out the rest of the projects. So, some could be done this summer if they're fasttrack. Most of them would be uh for a summer start of 2027. So, this is just an example of what that could look like. >> Is there anything else that you want to touch on? >> No, I think I I think you know, you bring up a good point about the fasttrack projects and the things that you can bring forth um that don't have to go to DSA or or that have minimal um interface with with the agency. I think that um the other thing that we talked about was, you know, like an access controls, being able to have one contract for a contractor to do it at multiple sites, right? There's a savings there.

120Um and so there's there's different, you know, obviously benefits of fasttracking some of these and um pulling out those bits of scope that can then be done um by a single contractor. So, I think at this point, Rob, do you want to >> Yeah, we can um turn it back over to President Rawlings for public comment and then we're happy to answer any questions. Again, looking for board direction this evening as far as the remaining HH dollars at this point in time and I'll turn it back over to President Rings. >> Thank you. Now is the time for public comment. We have received five blue cards. When I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether or not you live within the boundaries of the school district. You will

121have three minutes. We will have the timer on the screen and your mic will be muted when your time has expired. The first speaker is Tyler Brown. >> Hello, I'm Tyler Brown. I'm a resident. I'm the Carlsbad High School football touchdown club president. Uh, and I'm here to plead for the life of my two teenage children. Let me explain. During the Carl'sbad High School football games, the sound system is so bad that it cuts out and I have to sing. We will we will rock you. My 14-year-old daughter assures me that if I continue doing this with no music, she will not only die, she will literally die. Uh I was asked because I help out with a team to get something out of the locker room. Once I smelled that locker room, there's no

122not a lot of windows or anything in there. I smelled it. I viewed the status and condition of it. I almost figuratively died. Uh and so I pleaded for their well-beings and ask that you would replace the sound system, use some of those HH funds towards our stadium. Uh and I assure you, it is more than just a game, more than just a sport. I didn't play football when I was a kid, but watching my son, how much time and energy, the cheerleaders, the dancers, the track stars, everybody involved, the community that gathers, it really means a lot. Not only the kids, the parents, the community, um, but it also helps draw really valuable people from out of the area. Um, as you mentioned, we're in the open division championship game on Tuesday. Very excited.

123um potentially our first open division championship I think in 18 years. Uh our previous quarterback Julian Sains a starting quarterback for the Ohio State. He's a Heisman Trophy um you know qualifier. Uh, and I just think that this uh, school district, especially the Carlsbad High School football program, is a really big deal to the community, to the school, to the people. Uh, and the stadium should really reflect uh, all the hard work uh, and all the people that make it what it is. We ask that you utilize those funds towards the stadium. Sound system, locker room, uh, scoreboard would be it. And then we would ask that you would really consider the PLA and the labor agreements so that the money that you do have and have raised can be used as effectively as possible.

124Rising costs, inflation, all those things are so important. I think we need to use those dollars uh in the most valuable possible way. It doesn't mean you can't utilize the standards that a labor agreement would, but I think the freedom to pick and choose and be efficient and effective is really important. Thanks for your time. Thank you. Next speaker is Sean Walker. >> Hi. That was a long time to get up here, guys. Um, I'm Sean Walker. I have I'm a graduate of Carlsbad High, 96. I have four kids in the district. I have one that graduated last year, two at CHS now, one at Valley. Um, and I love Carlsbad. Like, I love it. Um, I love I've grew up here. Um, and it's a bummer that the sound system and stadium is like

125a black eye on Carl'sb. It's kind of a bummer. And so I've been an announcer in that booth now for eight years before COVID. And what's changed over this time is before after a game was over, even eight years ago. They I would have people come up to the booth and complain about the sound system. They would say, "Why couldn't I hear this?" or "What did this?" That would happen eight years ago. Now I get complaints before the game even starts. So, I get parents that walk into the booth, like literally walk into the booth on there and asking what they can do to help. They said like, "How can they help their kids?" And it's the dance team, it's the um the cheerleaders, and honestly, there's more dance team and cheerleaders. I know they're

126here um than football players. Like, we talked Tyler just talked about how cool the football program is, but honestly, all of our programs are super cool, right? Every one of the programs and they're all affected by this. Um, and you you use some buzzword buzzwords um about that stadium items are end of life. Well, the the sound system was end of life about 15 years ago. Um, and the items and the stuff that's in there is so old like it's just a dis credit to everything that we're trying to do to raise the bar at Carl'sbad. Um, I I travel to other games as well and now people find me and say the first thing they say to me is what's wrong with your sound system. Like that's the first thing I go to El

127Camino and they have a better sound system which is a bummer right I go to everywhere else and it's it's a bad mark on Carl's bad and it's it's hard like it hits hard um and and the other thing you mentioned are what are fasttrack projects and honestly a sound system is a fasttrack project we could do it this summer and have it ready for the next season to start and although we don't need 6.8 8 million. Maybe there's a way to carve that out and have a half a million bucks to make this what we need at Carl'sbad. What we need to, you know, beat our chest and say, "Hey, we have all this cool stuff and you can come and be proud of our stadium, right?" I mean, it's that much. And I

128I think that I just think we're failing our kids. Like, I mean, on the minor stuff about we're trying to teach our kids to utilize, you know, this technology and and do it for theirel and you show up at the booth and we have microphones from 1970s. we have, you know, animals going through the base. It just, it's so bad. And it's it's something that just doesn't if I'm from Carl'sbad, I don't like, don't look over there, look over here, right? And I just think for the amount of money we're talking about, the small amount that could be necessary would really impact our kids in a positive way and really affect uh our district a lot. Thanks. >> Thank you. And um I'm probably not gonna pronounce this name correctly. I'm gonna say Ariouchi. My

129name is Huri Fararachi and I'm I do reside in Carl'sbad and I am here on behalf of the dance team. I have a daughter. She is a freshman in the junior varsity. Ever since she was in third grade, she wanted to make the Carl'sbad dance team. She has worked countless hours, put in up to 20 hours of practice um through her middle school to make the team. It is a nationally recognized team. The junior varsity team competes in a varsity level and our varsity team is nationally recognized. So these girls put their life into dance. I mean they we tell them we schedule our summer vacations, our Christmas vacations, our spring break plans. Everything revolves around when is the practice, how is the practice, what do we need to do. So the very first time

130that she had to perform, she had the performance for the football game. She was so excited she could almost sleep the night before. And we go in and she goes and stands in front of their peers after on their third quarter to perform. And the sound system doesn't work. It just we just the girls will stand there and they're just going to look around and look around and then the look of the disappointment on these kids who have looked forward to performing in front of their peers for the entire summer. That's all she talked about. That's all she talked about that I want high school to start. I want to dance. I want to dance on the football games. And the first very first game, the sound system fails. Doesn't even work. So they can't

131even dance for their peers. Comes the second game. The sound system barely is working, barely. And then the girls start performing and halfway in middle of it, it cuts out. So they're dancing without the music and the kids, you know, they're rallying and they're cheering them and they're just um but it's still it's disappointing. It's we live in Carlsbad. Our school should have a working sound system in the football field. It isn't a lot to ask. This isn't just something nice to have. It is a necessity for our kids. They put so much work into their art. There's put so much effort. They put they cut so much from other activities they could be doing. They could be doing so many other things in the summer, but they get prepared for a football team only

132to be let down by a sound system. Please fix that sound system. Thank you. Thank you. Um Christa Shapiro. I'm Christa Shapiro and I do live within the school district. Um, good evening. I am the booster board president for the national championship CHS dance team. I'm also a Carl'sb alum. I have two daughters, one on varsity and one on JB. First, I'd like to thank you um all for uh approving our ability to go to nationals. So, thank you. And then again approving for our JB team to go to nationals as well. Your support means the world to the dancers. Tonight, I'm asking you to vote yes on uh option B and use the bond funds for CHS stadium and sound system. If you attended the homecoming game, football game, you know why this is

133urgent. After years, days, and the hours of practice, our dance team, our cheer, and our band stood in the center of the field with no music. They were feeling very embarrassed and defeated. Our community, our alumni, our parents watched that moment and it fell flat because the sound system didn't work. Most of our teams also invite sponsors, companies and people who generously support our students. We're supposed to be recognized there. They were supposed to be thanked, but they couldn't because our sound system is broken. These sponsors help fund uniforms, travel equipment, and opportunities which allow everyone to participate on these teams. Please, our teams deserve better than this. Please vote at least to fix the sound stage sound system so that um everyone can enjoy the games. Thank you. >> Thank you. Next speaker is

134Shauna Hurst. >> Good evening. Tonight's pretty disappointing for me because I was the bond chair and I just I knew we weren't going to have very many bond funds at the end and it's just worse than I anticipated in 2018. um they really just didn't stretch as far as we wanted to go. And I also was kind of disappointed in the PowerPoint in that I did sit through many manyu uh community um out um meetings and I do know that there was cost escalation built into the budget because I have it in notes from those meetings back in 2018. they did account for the costs and um but at that in the the defense of everyone involved there's absolutely no way as that spreadsheet shows that we could have accounted for the escalations that we

135had. They built in 4% annually and we had 4% per month um sometimes on top of 15 and 20%. So I do just feel like that was a misrepresentation of the original bond intent. Um, I also dis disappointed in the two options presented tonight. I don't see with such limited funds why we'd allocate them to upgrading doors. $4 million for I realize it's a security thing, but when we only have $18 million to put that much towards access, it I just I struggle with it. I would not recommend spending $ 1.5 million in parking at Calaver Middle because in ele um elementary what I've seen is probably going to make it worse. So I would not vote for that. Um I really have too many follow-up questions to give you an option C. Um and

136so I I just the only thing I really could probably get behind is new chairs for the board meeting because my back is always killing me in these meetings. Everything else is I'm open for conversation. I feel the plea of our great dance and football teams. Um, we are ahead of schedule. If you look at the original bond, we weren't going to be in these phases for a couple more years. I don't understand the rush that we need to have things approved tonight, especially when in the presentation it was mentioned that we might have more funds coming. So, why do we need to make a decision tonight? Maybe we do some projects tonight, but we have more money hopefully coming back to some of these projects that might allow us to do other things. So,

137we have plenty of time. And I'd also remind this because I know we're already setting up to do another bond that we already have Prop P on our tax bill until 2035. And prop HH doesn't fall off until 201. And these are based on how much we would pay with the home in Carl'sbad was an average of $500,000. That number is no longer even close to accurate. And so I just as a taxpayer, as a past bond chair, I just these are the questions that I asked the board to discuss tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Trustees, do you have questions? Who's going Who would like to raise their hand? Trusty Rebeccation. Um, Dr. Nye, could you please um answer and I know that some emails were received. I haven't had a chance because they were

138sent and I haven't had a chance to read them. So perhaps you answered it, but um on slide eight on exhibit A, it shows remaining costs to complete for projects underway 70,639,56344. Have these remaining costs already been bid out? >> Yes. Um so we we can project that up if you don't mind, but yes. Um the the remaining cost what that indicates is the the dollars and the projects that are currently ongoing that have been bid out um that still need to be um completed. Now, uh, Director Kimrell mentioned that there's some soft costs that are also built into that $70 million. So, we do anticipate some money um, coming out of that that we're able to recapture, if you will. But these are for projects that are currently underway and and or that are

139going to be on the underway soon. >> Thank you. >> Other questions, Trusty Emery? Um I know that we already did some preliminary uh changes to the drop off uh car Calaver Hills um both elementary and middle. Um do we know how much was spent in those projects originally like as of >> I'm not aware of any um dollars that we've currently spent um to remediate uh Calavera. >> I thought there was a change in the traffic flow and something around the handicap. I don't know if it was cost associated rather than just kind of general traffic flow and redirecting, but I'm not aware of that. >> As part of the steam lab, when we went through the DSA process, they required you to designate a drop off zone that's ADA compliant, and those were

140some of the changes that took place took place in that long line um against the ele elementary school process. But that was part of the project. that wasn't a separate standalone initiative to work with a traffic consultant to analyze how to improve it. That was a requirement of DSA. >> Other questions? Trusty Ward. So from um the speaker that we just had and the mention on slides 19 to 21 uh it's mentioned about the hard costs with annual escalation or soft cost considered over the life of the program. It sounds like um maybe some of that was considered. Did do we have any types of models with those escalation or soft costs that >> from the original 2018 plan or from what we're com showing you today? >> Um both >> what we're sharing today

141we do have the cost models built into let me flip over to like this slide in particular. We could provide you with a bigger breakdown but there in in this there is a 5% escalation a 10% contingency and a 30% soft cost. >> Okay. >> So these are extremely conservative numbers that we're presenting today. What we can show from 201817 would be a slide that was similar to this where they gave lump sums of how much was each project was going to cost. um there wasn't as much detail from what we can see in the master plan um specific allocations. So, are those models adjusted as you get as there's like an um as costs rise? I mean, are you adjusting those models and and working? >> We are we we are now. Yes. [laughter]

142>> Okay. >> Because it sounds like that growth was kind of progressive like >> it was extremely progressive. So at each stage so were you considering that in terms of your like in building that into your models when you're >> I I have been since um in the last three and a half years >> in the projects that I've undertaken um and that's why we have >> um projects allocated the way that we do now and you see that with our current work in progress. I I can't speak to any of the projects that I inherited. Um, all I can speak to is really the projects that I have uh absorbed, readjusted uh to be able to budget them properly to move forward. Um what we do do is we do look at a at

143a certain point through the project and we did it um just recently as we were preparing for this meeting is kind of looking at the projects where are we at a percent complete and we see that there's an opportunity for us to free up certain line items because if you look at a project's budget overall right you have the architect the contractor the inspector um city fees testing furniture, um, all of these labor compliance, all these different light items. And, and when you look at the 7030 split in the way that we budget, if we see that one, our allocation or our purchase order for that service was relatively low. We're at 75% completion, we see that there's a substantial balance, we can bring that back into the project, right? >> And then if we

144get to a point where we're really comfortable, then we can return that back to the program. So each job has a program contingency and a project contingency built into it. And while while we're talking about um you know future work and what that looks like, none of the decisions for every single project have to be made today, right? >> And we can pick off some of the smaller fasttrack items that we have kind of mentioned already and kind of see where things settle. Right now we're at a completion point where um like Aara Elementary School is getting ready to wrap up. We'll be able to return some savings there. The middle school is going to wrap up this fall. We'll be able to return some savings there. We just haven't gotten close enough to the

145finish line on those projects to be able to say what that is, right? >> And so with BV, right, same thing, but that's looking at like a summer or a fall 2026. So, as these wind down, we get further along in construction, well, we can pull it all back in and allocate it to other things. >> Does that help answer? >> Yes. >> If it helps, just as a perspective, um, a typical master plan never meets all the needs. Um, I have clients that would have 1.2 billion master plan with $300 million bond. It is really I mean sometimes I question that and I go why are you even putting all these needs because the community's go hopes go up and they think they're going to get all these projects knowing that you cannot fund

146it with with this um state school bonds are not as frequent as they used to be and the money gets ran out really fast. I mean, right now all the modernization funding from Prop 2 that was passed less than a year ago is all gone because some of the bigger districts like LA Unified or Oakland um you know they they take all the funds first. So there are so many factors that make the master plan very difficult to predict. Um, looking at these numbers when we were reviewing this together with the team, we just we just realized the biggest two things that happened during the span of this program with the COVID and the supply chain and all of that stuff that really just made things a whole lot worse because I have never seen

147construction inflation to the level >> that I'm seeing it now from all over. I mean, I've had clients with modernization projects and modernization, one other factor is uh when you basically knock out a wall, you don't know what you're going to get. You may have to redo all the electrical or the plumbing and so forth. So, there's so many different factors. just as a perspective I wanted to share that because I work with many >> districts in the area and north and south and um you know that is that is one of the things that I want you to not feel bad as to why you couldn't meet all the needs because it is never enough >> it is never enough it's just a matter of setting expectations and priorities and that's what I tell

148my clients when you have such a large master plan to make sure the community knows you cannot one of the districts set groups groups A through G. They finished groups A through C and pretty much bond funds are gone. >> So, >> um I have a followup. Um you've mentioned um uh state uh state matching funds. Um are we eligible for any of that based on Prop um one that passed recently? >> I I think the district applied for a lot of modernization funding in the early 2000s based on looking at the state eligibility from what I saw. So the schools have to be 20 or 25 years old in order to be eligible again. So you know I I know that is part of the district plan when they are doing any project to

149see if any of it is el eligible for state funding. >> If there is any eligibility there won't be there are no no modernization funding left. They have to stay in line go through all the steps for a bond to be approved in 2028 in order to get any funding. But I don't I think the district got all of their modernization eligibility in in early 2000s. Yes. And then for 2025 years they're not eligible for any more funding for those schools. New construction is based on enrollment obviously and there is new con but a lot of districts are experiencing declining enrollment which makes it very difficult to to be eligible for any kind of new construction. >> Dr. Knight, could you also address that? We we [clears throat] did uh we did receive funding for

150um for Magnolia early on um probably a year ago. I think we received about a million dollars in reimbursement funds for Magnolia. We do uh when we complete the master plan in the spring, we do you will see when we are eligible for state funding moving forward on all the projects and the sites and how we can weave that into the work that we would be presenting at that point in time. Um, we do, our consultant is submitting applications for Aviara Oaks Middle School and I believe we just signed another application for Bu Vista, but at this point in time, it's a wait and get in line kind of game just because of where the state program is. >> Jessica, you did that because you don't you have to have a project that's already DSA

151approved in order to be in line? >> You do. >> Yeah. It can't be a something that's out in the ether. It has to be something you've already funded, designed, and now you're hoping to get um >> money reimbured. >> Yeah. We are also able to go back to some of the projects that haven't hit their 25 year mark at this point and get in line for that for when they do turn 25 years old. >> Exactly. And keep in mind that they're not refund funding you based on cost. So if the modernization cost 30 million, they're not giving you 60% of the 30 million. for that you might be getting eight or 10 million. So it's based on eligibility, it's based on their formula and it's based on so many factors that are just

152honestly ludicrous. But still it's better than nothing. It is always better than nothing. So a lot of you know when we when we have these kind of reviews the projects that are state eligible it's better to do those first because you have at least the anticipation to get some funds. But this district got all of the most of the funding for modernization in the early 2000s. >> And just to follow up because um I know Prop One passed just a few years ago. So I'm a little confused on >> I think it was Prop Two. >> Prop two. >> Was it two? >> Okay. Just a few years ago. So I I guess I was >> all of the a lot of the funding for as >> Prop 51 passed um in 2018. I believe

153it was like a few years ago that all finished. Then they had a prop two this past November that they put on the ballot was over eight billion dollars and that had modernization, new construction, some other types of funings because there were so many applications in line those got so it it's first come first serve kind of a thing. It went to >> almost half of the funding of Prop 2. Well, almost half of the funding was already accounted for even before it passed. >> Exactly. Exactly. in in 2020 they had that wretched Prop 13 number for a state fund didn't pass >> and and that didn't pass. So it had been a substantial number of years as as uh districts had continued to apply for funding were just waiting in line waiting in line

154for the next one and Prop 2 came up and that's why a lot of it was already spoken for and LA and San Diego Unified had sub had submitted a substantial number of applications um taking a good portion of that funding. Yeah. And and Jerry Brown was against stage school bonds. He so he wasn't really selling. Yeah. He wasn't selling them. He was waiting longer. So it was they were not as frequent. So that's why the line grew as much as it did. >> Okay. So I obviously got the the prop number wrong. But um so with Prop 2, are we eligible for that or no? There's is there any possibility of getting any >> minimal amount? >> And what would that be? >> But where we are, we're applying for those reimbursements. >> Okay,

155that's what that was my question. And so then um back to Trusty Ward's question um the like the 1 million you said that we were able to get for Magnolia some of that is that how is that factored into um what we have beyond the 265 million >> it's already me been be it come as a reimbursement. So let's say bond funds fronted it comes back to that account you know to be used. So it's already included in those numbers that you're seeing there that those funds are not currently remaining in fund 35. >> Yeah. You essentially free up bond dollars that were allocated towards that project and apply the new funding source which would be the bond fund. So it just put one more one more million dollars into the kitty. Um and one

156of the one of the things that the that the district I think's done a good job of is using alternative funding sources. And that's why we wanted to share this too is that we're not just utilizing measure HH dollars. We're utilizing developer fees that come in. We are using our cops um that we have had in the district for years. And so we have been able to stretch the HH dollars for a period of time, but those also too run dry. The only constant revenue that's unpredictable is developer fees. >> Trust Beth. So >> when you were talking about phase two and then on you were mentioning some of these soft costs are going to come back like a half a million dollars when you were talking about phase two but then we are 73

157million over budget. So can you explain how that soft cost is really going to help with the 73 million over budget for those? Yeah, that that's the difference between the facilities master plan to where we currently project those projects were will end up. So what that would look like is as we return those funds that amount would be reduced by 500 like half million. >> It's going to increase the >> 18 million to by 500,000 is basically what it's going to do. >> So it's not going to affect the overage at all. It is going to increase that amount remaining of that 18 million by the amount that the costs are reduced. So it's going to be minor >> minor. Yeah, >> that's the point. >> Yeah, it's going to be minor, >> right? >>

158But it's enough for a sound system. [laughter] >> But but each each project has that, you know, has funding in there to return back. >> Yeah. And I would I would just say at this point in time, we don't know what those amounts are going to be at each of those projects. And so for us to um bank on those things, we we don't know. And and so I would hate to give false hope that there's going to be additional dollars there and there actually isn't. But we do think there's some money built in to some of that soft cost that we'll be able to recapture um and use for other purposes. >> And as we >> but at this point in time, this is what we know. So, this is the cash that we

159have on hand available for remaining projects. I just want to emphasize that um we can always bring back additional dollars um to prioritize those dollars as we recapture those. Uh we would have that commitment and bring that back to the board for uh further consideration. And and you know, as we had put together some recommendations, it it most certainly does not need to be all of option A, all of option B. It was just one sample platter that we could order from. We could really look at this and pick any anything. And if we just wanted to specifically highlight the sound system or one of those things, we can pull those out and see how much those cost. Those really are to us fasttrack projects. It's when you start lumping them together as you add

160more things it just continues to grow. So if there's specific things that we want to look at, then we can go to that. >> Yeah. I think the other, you know, just important thing to note is is, you know, the the sense of urgency and and really we're looking at cost escalation 5% year-over-year, right? So, as as we're looking at these numbers, uh you know, we we started with a 5% escalation. Um you know, assuming that something could move forward quickly and this could be built, you know, within the next year. Um and so some of these projects may be the following year, right? So then you're adding another 5% on top of that. So that those calculations once once it's decided what's moving forward now, what's moving forward later, those escalations will need to

161then be built in and this to be updated. So, um, you know, that's that sense of urgency is more of, you know, the the the longer the time takes, it's just your cost escalation is going to continue to go up. So, >> okay. >> I know one of the one of the comments that was um made is, you know, why did everything get get so so sped up so quickly. It was supposed to stretch longer. Part of it was when nothing is more expensive than it is. Nothing is cheaper than it is today, right? As days pass, we see it with the eggs and the gas and the things like everything just continues to increase. So when opportunities present themselves to be able to pull those dollars forward and get those projects done sooner, we're

162able to stretch the dollars within that project. And that was kind of the why behind that. I do have a followup on that. Um the um are there any of those projects here that are either less or not affected at all by tariffs and other components that like is there items that we make here in the United States that aren't subject to tariffs that could possibly be identified? >> I you know I I think that that that pendulum keeps swinging in many different directions at one point in time. Um, I think it's really a case by case basis. We we can't answer that question because we don't know where the leadership of the country is going to decide to tariff things next. And >> labor is a huge component as well. And a average per

163square foot cost is now $1,000 for a for a school. >> I think when we the master plan was priced at it was around $400. >> Yeah. So it's about a thousand. So per square foot. >> Trusty W. >> Um, did you have a followup? similar but different. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. So, similar to that what you were saying about the um uh benefit of doing like projects for the single contractor. Are there is there kind of a theme in these like the access controls or you know which ones will we be looking at like all the ones that have to do with soil and land or all the field or is it more complex than than that? Um >> I I would say that when we looked at both of those options, we

164were prioritizing safety and security as as kind of options that we could use. Um and then beyond that, we looked at usage uh as well. You know, our our stadiums for example and uh the stadium at Carlsbad High School is at its end of life. And you know, when you look at the usage and how that's utilized and the number of students that utilize that particular >> piece of land, it's it's a high number. And so we considered that as well. >> But my question was which of those projects would be maybe having a benefit of having a single contractor. >> Yeah, I think you know stadium improvement is one of those because it's generally the same workers doing that work, right? Um the the challenge becomes when you only have two high schools and

165you're doing both high schools fields at the same time, where do they go? So then it becomes a matter of phasing and resource allocation. Um I think when we get into some of the storm drain work like at Sage Creek and at Point Setia, I think those could be joint projects because it's the same the same for the same forces. One of the other things that um we tend to look at too is right now when we talk about timing, right now is the prime time to start getting our projects out to bid. The summer rush is coming. If we don't have our bid packages ready by the first of the year to hit the street and start awarding contracts in February or March, we're going to lose our opportunity to get contractors to do

166the summer work, especially when you have a shortened timeline, right? um you know to to give an example and we've already discussed it and prove it today like the work at um CVA for CVA at NCA that's a 10-week project right they're only out for one summer for 10 weeks and that's our opportunity to get that work done some of these like the um stadium projects are the same way right that's the best time for us to tackle that work the um access control intercom system. Some of the low voltage systems that take place, a lot of those tradesmen are used to doing the work second shift, so they don't have to wait for a summer. So, they can come in once school gets out, work till they're 11 and go from there. It's a

167shorter period of time. Nobody's in their way. They can get it in and out. Um, and that and that also goes for fire alarm. So, it really the the specialized systems, the specialized things we could look at grouping together, but right now it's really the timing part of it, too. Trusty W. >> Yeah. Um, so I think I asked this question, but it wasn't answered. Um, so I'm just going to pull it up. Um, with what you shared in terms of the 5% escalation cost, so we want to try and get those projects in as soon as possible. Um, and what you're sharing with the summer rush. Um, you know, I I feel like a a lot of these like the way you have it framed here, um, for option A, it looks like there

168would be a deficit in terms of the cost of all of that and then with option B, it only leaves us with um, like 260,000 in terms of contingency. So, um I I don't know if I would necessarily go with the entire option A or entire option B because of that. And what I really wanted to see is kind of an itemized breakdown of these costs and the prioritization from staff of what is really important in regard to safety of students because I think that's paramount. I think nobody would disagree with that, right? families, staff, board, I don't think we would disagree that this has to happen um to ensure the safety of students. >> So like that information I feel like is really necessary to have like a decision. >> Do you have a

169question? What's the question? >> That's the question. what is it like what's the prioritization of >> and that's what I've asked in in terms of like >> what on these options are important in regard to safety of students and should happen now >> um before the escalation cost before the summer rush >> and you know with the stadium stuff clearly it sounds like the the sound system is the biggest issue out of track field lighting sound scoreboard and flagpole but what's the cost of it? >> Sure. So if I may uh talk to the first point about the allocation and the the deficit that's shown in option A. Option A was presented as a deficit. But I can tell you that there is savings in the current work that we have going on right now

170that could cover that deficit. And there's and there's a difference. Right. So right now we are strictly looking at the cash on hand. Right? We're looking at the available cash that we know we have in the bank today. We do not have to pay $18.9 million when we sign a contract. A lot of that work is looking at especially for the work that's in summer of 27, right? Would be paid out then. So, as we go into the projects, we can do one of two things. We can say okay um instead of $3.9 million that is our estimate for fire alarm work architect um let me use a different example um baseball field and access fencing for all these projects we say architects you have a build to number you have to be able to

171design a project to the number that we get you and unfortunately these projects are really infrastructurebased so it's a little bit more challenging to do that But I with confidence feel that it would be easy for us to make up $172,000 based on the savings coming back from our current work in progress. But it's also the cash flow. If we looked at what's going to be allocated and needed to spend in this 2526 fiscal year versus a 2627 fiscal year is how we spread out that $18 million or that $19 million. This is really based on cash on hand. >> Yeah. And I I will say just really quickly, these are conservative numbers. You know, we we're working at a master plan level at a really high level. So these are, you know, working with

172a coming group, which is our our cost estimating uh professional cost estimating group that we work with. You know, they're they're using these numbers based on kind of the high level explanation and the work that we've done as far as the facilities master plan, but there's also um you know, there's uh contingencies included in here like the 10% contingency. So there's there's definitely um you know a chance that some of these numbers are going to come in lower as the projects get implemented and more detail is figured out. >> One last good news sorry the 80 million that's sitting in the bank it earns interest every day >> until it's drawn and that interest rate the San Diego County is over 3%. So that interest like it has um on page seven 9.5 has been

173earned today on bond funds that will continue to earn interest until it's spent. So it's easily going to be above the 172 over the life of these remaining projects. So >> that is also to keep in mind that there will be interest added onto the bond funds. >> Just CS is yours a followup. >> Just word followup. >> Yeah. So I I would like to have kind of a breakdown and of the costs and prior what is the priority in terms of safety but um also to follow up I mean are are I know you're saying that that deficit will be covered however what I'm also hearing is that there's all there's an escalation in costs that that were not we weren't necessarily ready for right because you're telling me that these costs have been

174increased increased every year or every part of this. >> So I mean did you know that that was going to happen and I mean are we confident that we are going to be able to cover it? If we if we look at the escalation over the last couple of years um bearing another unforeseen pandemic, we can see that we're not even getting close to that 5% escalation as o over the last couple of years, right? And if we look at the 30% contingent, uh the 30 30% soft cost, the 10% contingency, and the 5% escalation, you have a buffer of 45% essentially baked into the numbers that we're presenting. We really feel like Tony said, these are conservative numbers and the quicker that we look at allocating some of the funds. As soon as we

175lock in the pricing, that's our that's our best, you know, determination of where this is truly at. >> Okay, one last followup. Sorry. >> Follow up. Um I I just I I just want to make sure and because um with the slides that you're presenting, you're you're showing a lot of costs and a lot of areas that um that we're spending and things that have to be covered. So I just want to make sure that we're confident about that. I we have gone through each of the projects of work in progress right now and based on the scope of work that we know today there's money in each of those projects to cover the cost and to cover some overages within that project. Trusty Seos, >> thank you. Um we were really lucky to hear

176from Shauna Hurst. She was kind enough to bring the door hanger from the original tracking that they did trying to re uh generate these funds in the first place. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of the things on this list were on that door hanger that we actually had people sign on the dotted line for when they voted. So, I think we need to be respectful of the voters and what their intentions were with those funds. to that point. Um almost half of this remaining cash on hand that we're talking about is uh suggested that we are allocating to soil mitigation, $8 million and and upwards of $40 million in total um that we clearly don't have money on one of our newest schools in the district. I'm wondering if there

177isn't some sort of insurance or potential legal action that we might be able to take to recoup some of these costs. Um because that those HH dollars were not ever intended to be spending $8 million to mitigate something that shouldn't have been there in the first place. >> Yeah. you know, we um typically it's around 10 years is that lifespan for any type of construction insurance, but we could certainly work with our attorneys um to see if there's any other options that we have at our disposal to um go back to them and and see if they can't help remediate some of the costs in regards to the um the mitigation, the ground mitigation that we're experiencing there. The the challenge with latent defect, it it has to be discoverable that there was a construction

178error when building the building the project. And not many of us here in this room were part of that process when they went to design, when they went to build. And there is evidence that based on the way that it was built that it was mostly a fill site. So we there were brought in land material based on that the soil type that it is expansive that the condition in which the surrounding flatwork was the subsurface of the surrounding flatwork was not necessarily remediated the way that it was needed to be when it was built. I think we have heard um that at the time that these topics were brought up and changes weren't made upfront thinking that the district would take care of it later is the overall feeling that we've heard about the

179construction during that time. again I was still in high school [laughter] wasn't here uh but those are the things that we've heard we have met with the original maybe college I don't know [laughter] I wasn't in this role um but um we have met with the original builder we have met with the original soils engineer and these are things that they're sharing with us during the original construction so it's not a fault of the builder. It was a fault of the design and the decisions that were made back then is what we're hearing. Just to provide more context, >> is there a followup say Trusty Cassie? >> Yes. Go ahead. >> So, if it's not the builder, is it not potential litigation with the designer of that plan? And if that is not an option

180for our district, do we not have something akin to homeowners insurance that would cover this $40 million flooding situation that we're having? >> Unfortunately, that's not >> Yeah, I'm not aware of any insurance um that would cover that, but let us let us reach out to our attorneys to see what um available options we have and we're we're happy to look into that as a staff. followup. Go ahead. >> Yes. So, I am not comfortable with allocating with voting to allocate any resources today towards um soil mitigation because I think we need to get more information. >> We're in questions now. So, it's where that would be for discussion. Thanks. >> So, thank you. Is there other followup? Go ahead, Trusty for >> So, my question is regarding the soil mitigation. If you only plan

181to say spend $8 million on mitigation around buildings, but we have a major problem underground. We have a storm drain that's broken. Um, I'm not sure why that storm drain is broken and why it didn't withstand the 10 years. I used to ride my bike around up in there when it was being constructed and through big storm drains. Um, yeah. So, I'm really curious why the storm drain >> can't withstand um you know the pressures of earth laying on top of it and shifting and then how can you guarantee that we're not going to jump right into repair around track and field areas and the remainder of the site at a total of 40 million when you start opening up the earth. >> Uh that that is a fair question. You know, one of the

182things that we wanted to do was really focus on the area where the storm where we know that the storm drain is broken. We have cameras the lines. We see that it's in these specific areas and we feel that it's because of the weight of the shifting of the earth in that area. It is a concrete system, right? So, the pressure isn't as um flexible as some of the PVC pipes that may occur um right now. Some of it could be because of the size of the storm drain itself and the area that's within it. Um and and you know we are looking to continue to explore the shifting of the earth especially as we go into this rainy season to see what that impact is. This would just be scratching the surface. And that

183is really we focus on that area because it's the most highly trafficked areas um and would allow us to resolve some of the trip hazards, some of the other settlings that take place. Could we be opening Pandora's box? We we won't know. We would have we we are continuing to further investigate that. We know that given the opportunity to continue exploring that through the design, we can continue to explore. We can can continue to design knowing that there will continue to be problems but not necessarily addressing them at this time, right? Because there is two components to each project. There's the design process for us to can continue to investigate, see what the issues may be, come up with the solution, and not necessarily have to jump straight into the remediation of that, if that

184makes sense. So, it's kind of like the work that we did with um other the CAC for example, we investigated it, came up with design concepts. Unfortunately, we were unable to afford that project at that time, but there is evidence that there is soil failure throughout the campus. Trusty as it followup. Okay. Trusty. >> Is there any um possibility that through examining the storm drain and through the repair that we might get more information about those failures and be able to use that information to go forward um either, you know, towards a, you know, >> alternative funding sources >> well or human error, you know, that might, you know, um bring some of that into light. I I think that the more exploration that we do, it just gives us more answers, right? Right now,

185we still have a bunch of questions as to the why, being able to drill down wells and see the shift, especially during wet seasons because we did see more shifting occur after rainy se after the big rainy seasons that we've been having. Um, so there is something >> Just Rebecca, >> the chiller pump that we just replaced this year, did that come out of HH or did that come out of a different fund? >> Where did that money come from? >> The chiller pump we replaced >> at Carl'sbad when the when it was so hot during >> that that was that was a repair to the water line feeding the chiller plant. It wasn't replacing or repairing the chiller plant that exists. It was the underground infrastructure >> and so >> and I believe that

186came from routine restricted maintenance funding. >> Okay. Um so I guess where I'm going with this is since the original HH dollars did not in were not for this soil mitigation as was pointed out on the flyer for you know the voters when they voted for this bond. Um, is there another source that the district could use to pay for this? >> No, not at this time. >> And I have I have several follow-ups on the Sage Creek piece. >> I don't believe so. >> Okay. Um, uh, so you did answer that. Um so on slide 23 where it talks about um committed dollars to Sage Creek as 14 million. What was that originally for? >> Um in the master plan it said targeted modernizations. >> Okay. And um have we had the site inspected

187to know exactly that that what we're what you're proposing here will fix the problem? Tony, do you want to >> Yeah, we're not we're not proposing the fix. Um, so this is from a high level understanding, you know, just in general replacing that much square footage of concrete, doing some soil remediation in that area. We don't know what the specific soil remediation would be. That would have to be through a design of an actual project. And so these numbers are really high level. Um, like Jessica was saying, we've done some geotechnical investigation, some light geotechnical investigation thus far. geotechnical engineer has since come back with some additional studies that they um feel will get us to more of an answer of what is going on. And then once those studies would happen, you know, there

188we're building the case for what that remediation needs to look like and what that's going to be. So there's not a there's not a design yet because we just there's just not enough information there. >> So the 40 million you're talking about is just to figure out what what the problem is. >> We're No, no, no. 40 million would is is a highlevel cost estimate for if you had to replace all of the flat work, which you would have to do if you're remediating it on the soil. And then what a a what a potential remediation of the soil would cost from a cost estimating professional saying these this is what soil remediation costs. It's not a it's not a you know this is exactly the design, but it's a highlevel ballpark number of what

189it's going to be. >> But at this time, we don't even know if that's what's needed. >> Correct. Correct. >> That's that's correct. >> Correct. We we yeah >> that's that was my question. >> Yeah, we have to continue to investigate and come up with the design. >> Okay. And then um one of the questions that I had asked earlier um yesterday that um that if we do nothing, it was it was said that it would get worse. What does that mean? If we do nothing at Sage Creek, what happens? >> I think if we do nothing at Sage Creek, a couple of things could happen. One, um water intrusion into the buildings. to failure of other infrastructure, sewer lines, water lines, other infrastructure that's below ground um and and could um continue to see

190the shifting of the earth. Right? So, there's already areas where there's undulations in the concrete that create tripping hazards. So, it's those kinds of things that the longer that the the more time the land has to shift, the possibilities are are unknown, but those are some of the things that we know could be impacted. >> And then the shifting of the earth continues those those breaks and then could that be foundational where we could lose buildings? Um, we have evidence that the way that the structures were built that it most likely will not be the case based on the peers and how far they went down into the earth. It was really about the subsurface around the buildings that is mostly impacted. We have not seen any evidence of the building shifting >> and then

191with the um so like in in the options you basically said okay if we do the soil mitigation around the buildings but then don't do the field and that sort of thing then then does the field continue to deteriorate and the um and the other remaining pieces of the site. So those things would continue to deteriorate, but we would have the around the the soil mitigation and the buildings that would but so by not doing the the field that wouldn't we're not kind of chasing it down to where we're going to have to redo the the parts about the building. If we don't do an all or nothing approach here, are we just going to put a band-aid on it and wait until the visitors start going back to the buildings? No, I think we

192can incrementally approach the remediation at the campus. Um, you know, one of the the beauties of the campus is it is on multiple levels. So, we're kind of starting at the top, right, and working our way downhill. So, I I don't know. So, I I would feel that that would be acceptable. I don't know based on your >> Yeah, I think that there would be ways to mitigate, you know, or or to keep uh the the remediation confined to the areas where we're working in um and making sure that it doesn't affect that whatever is going downhill uh doesn't affect what's being done. But that again, that would be through a design of an actual project with architect, geotechnical engineer, and um everybody like that that would be involved in in a project. >> And

193part of the reason we you know pulled that part out was just looking at the initial price tag of $40 million. There's no way that we can afford that. But if we just systematically isolate the areas, break the fix the infrastructure that's broken underneath, then we're eating little small pieces of the elephant like like I say. >> And then last question on this. Um we've talked about um you've talked about um like tripping concerns, that sort of thing. So, is the tripping concern only around the buildings or are we because I mean when I go in that parking lot there's lots of there's multiple cracks that and I almost tripped twice. So, I'm just wondering as far as the tripping concern isn't that safety and then couldn't that lead to liability if we're not looking

194at other areas? >> Yes. So, so there could be liability in other areas besides being around the buildings. And I know that m maintenance and operation does go out from time to time and mitigate some of the more drastic shifted areas. Um but but they would just continue to chase it. They've replaced pavers in the same spot time over time because of the shifting. It's so stuff like that. >> Trusty, that's a followup. Correct. >> It's part of a followup. So you put a phase three project timeline together on >> slide 27. I did >> I see fasttrack projects for poinsettia Cala Hills carpet removal does not seem like a fasttrack project although I some people in the room might not like carpet um I think we have some needs for other things but I

195see phase 3B summer 2027 that's a long ways off for storm drain repair and soil mitigation when we have winter coming and it's already started pouring so um what are your thoughts on that as far as fast track. >> Yeah. Uh my thoughts would be if we wanted to ex continue to explore that, we would need to be hiring an architect and consultants immediately to design what that work would be to continue the investigation so we can figure out Yes. >> Well, isn't that what says hire architects by January 26? >> It it is, but um it's also about the timing and preparing the documents. There is probably a portion of this that would go to DSA. Um it it's all those other things to be able to get through agencies and again the only

196time for us to do that work theoretically is during summertime when those students are there. Um we would do our best to fasttrack it the best that we can but I don't know that we have enough information to give to the designers to be able to make that happen. >> Yeah. I think the other piece with a with a project like that is it needs to go through CGS um who does the geological studies and so that they that that process alone outside of the DSA process you know you have to have CGS approval on any of the studies and and the design that you're going to be doing for it and so CGS approvals a lot of the times you know at least 16 weeks sometimes longer and so that becomes the kind of

197critical path item then that requires you to have all the studies done to have the design done and then you submit to them and and then they review it. And so I I think you know fasttrack for that would be a summer 2027 kind of construction just because there's so much to do between now and then >> even with the safety issues with our students. Correct. >> Yeah. Fortunately. Any other followup for that trustee? >> So we're kind of intermingling our questions and responses there. I I understand all of those agencies involvement with the soil mitigation question, but with regards to the uh Carlsbad High School stadium improvements that we've heard so much from our community about, uh those seem like things that would be a more straightforward thing. Would that not be something that

198we could do in summer 2026? they would be if we isolated the projects. If we specifically went after updating the sound system, that could most definitely be a a a fasttrack project. So, it really depends on how we process and design all of them. I mean, even if we look at this here, if we just said just focus on the lighting on sound system, you know, that could most likely be a fast track. It's really the design and implementation and construction of the work in the field and the field upgrade that takes the most time which would be a summer of 27 project. So when you package them together it makes it take that much more time. When you individually pull out those pieces we're able to fasttrack it more. >> I I'm not sure

199I'm understanding. We're replacing the existing track and existing field with like kind items. Why would there be a significant timeline with that? >> DSA requires uh that to go to D through DSA for the review. And so when when that triggers the review, then you have um accessibility upgrades and you have path of travel, you have parking lots, you have everything that is needed to make that to to get to that project, you'll have to include all of the design in that because it becomes a DSA project. So any field replacement even when it's in kind DSA requires a review. >> Um I did have a followup. Um >> sort of >> okay go ahead just for >> so the lighting and the sound and the scoreboard wouldn't need DSA approval. Is that correct? >>

200Uh potentially potentially. >> Okay. >> There's some caveats to height of the lighting and you know the size of the schoolboard. So those things would just need to be addressed just to make sure they're outside of DSA >> tolerances. Yeah. >> Yeah. Sound system that could be done. Yeah. >> Slam dunk. I like that. >> Um as far as the the field is concerned. Um and I may have missed it. So um I thought we were going to see a comparison between artificial turf and natural turf. Did we did we receive that information or is is this based on art artificial turf? And I believe this is based on artificial turf. It really um as we continue to go through the the design, we could then bring back those. >> Okay. But I mean, if

201if we're going to be making a decision around what approach we want to take, wouldn't we need that information before we make that decision? when when when we look at at and it kind of goes back to the the um Sage Creek example, we're looking at these at a very high level, the per square foot price. So, yes, artificial turf is not the same price as natural turf. So, >> giving go ahead. >> There are tradeoffs on right irrigation costs versus you know what you need to do with the site grading. So big picture, it's not going to be a a huge cost different. You're not going to save $2 million going grass, right? So you're you you will have potentially some cost savings, but you'll you may be spending costs in other places like

202irrigation um and the infrastructure that's needed for that because you don't have that because it's turf right now. So it's it's probably similar range. >> Thank you. That's good to know. Um did you have a followup? Um, did you have an additional followup on uh because we kind of we went from Sage Creek to uh Carl's High School. So I just want to make sure we if Do you have a follow-up to Carl's bed high school or we have on a new topic? >> It's a followup to Trusty Ward's request. Is it possible to get prioritization based on safety and also like costwise? What can we get done with smaller amounts of money i.e. field lighting sound scoreboard. Um, not field, sorry, lighting sound scoreboard, pardon me. Um, is it possible to get that um

203so that we can make a better decision on our next steps? >> Yeah, we could certainly break it out um a little in a little bit more detail and give you costs for each one of those. In regards to prioritization, we have not done a full prioritization of all the projects. Um if you'd like us to prioritize based on safety, we could certainly do that and bring that back um at a later date if that's what you'd like us to look at. >> Um one of the I mean one of the questions I had asked around safety was um uh around the prioritization or which which of these projects under A and B fall under safety and I and the answer was all of them do. So I'm trying to figure out like how does

204a how does a light as a flag pole how is that around safety for instance or you know >> flag or but that's what I'm saying is like how is how does that relate to safety with the answer question >> if I were to look at this overall um project list the way the way that I ca I came up with option A was really having safety in the forefront because if If we look at the access control, if we look at the intercom system, I know that the manhole repair and replacement doesn't seem like a big safety thing, but it is when the infrastructure around it is failing in a parking lot. Um, fencing and gates and separating the field from the blacktop. I think that that's a safety concern for our students during

205the day, but also after hours and safety of protection of our district assets. If we look at drop off improvements, there can be an argument made for there that the the way that the drop off and pickup there isn't ideal. How much we could really do to mitigate it based on the fact that we're landlocked might be minimal, but it could make an improvement to to the safety there. Again, we have the access controls. The remove the carpet of the walls is not necessarily a safety item, but it's one of those things that we've heard time and time again that have come up that and and it's a you know, so to speak, a lowhanging fruit in the grand scheme of all the work that needs to be done. So, one of the things that

206we've always done with the bond program is try to have monies allocated so that each site gets something. And this is one of those things that we've heard from the community, we've heard from the sites that it's one of those things that's bugged them for years. It's a nice to do. If we look at the fire alarm, that is the number one safety item. Access control comes up again. The chiller plump pump is here because we know what it's like for the campus to experience not using the air, not having the air conditioner for several days. This would be mitigating that potential issue. storm drain uh repair and soil mitigations. We've talked about the risk. We've talked about the tripping. We've talked about taking a piece of that of that elephant. The baseball softball field

207access and fencing. While that seems minor, um a vehicle cannot get out to the baseball fields and softball fields at Sage Creek. That is a safety measure. Whether it's going to be emergency services, if there's repairs that need to be done out there, we can't do it. Um and again access controls being able to have parity across a district to have a lock down in a lockdown situation being able to push a button lock the doors have the buzzen system that all the other campuses have that's a safety issue. I think all of these strongly reflect the priorities of safety based on the list that we started with. If we look at and I'll say it again, the possibilities are endless, right? If it is do those and do a sound system, we can do

208that. We just know that we can't do it all. So, if we really look at the small elephant, big picture safety. I I think that that's what it is. But it doesn't mean that we can't mix in some of the things from from item B. And honestly, it's for the work that we're looking to do right now. what are the fasttrack things that we can try to get the done this summer and go from there. We know that there's going to be available funding that comes up with the um as the projects wrap up from the work in progress. So maybe it's a year from now we revisit what the funding is and be able to select other projects that are still on this list that didn't make the first round. We're literally [snorts] looking

209at a first round selection of some projects. Even if we start with five and say we're comfortable starting with five, then we can go from there in a year there. We can go in six months, that would be fine. We don't have to allocate every single penny of the $18 million today. It's just a matter of we know that today things are the cheapest that they'll ever be. So if we do the lowhanging fruit, then we can go from there. Do six, start on six, see what it is, continue to do investigations at Sage Creek. Let's see what else that may entail. do the design, right? We can do the design on some of these projects even if there's not um funding available for the construction because what you would do then and we've talked

210about this before and we know the reason do we're doing the long range facility master plan is to see what the needs are of the district there. We know that there's not much money left in HH. We see that the needs continue to grow and you have projects in the queue for when more funding becomes available. You don't have to go through the DSA process as you know when it is you have it ready to go to pull the trigger once you have plans approved for DSA they're good for three years. >> Trusty Henry. >> Um so kind of looking at that safety um you know having been to all those schools and looking at the access control for the doors don't they all currently have a ringin feature at the front door of every

211office? Okay. Okay. So, would the access control only be for that door or would it be I know um we were discussing like the valley has one at the front door and then one further into the office like is there >> the access control would just would be the locking mechanism on each exterior door of um of the classrooms. The buzzin system is a separate um part of the upgrade that we do when we do access control. So the direction could be to do um the buzzin system into the main office only >> and forgo doing that the access control. >> So follow up to that. Do the the classrooms currently have a crash door that can be automatically flipped to be locked so they have to reach outside with their key in order to

212lock them or it it depends on their operation. That's an operational thing. Um if the it's sight by sight, teacher by teacher, but all the teachers have the ability to lock those doors. Correct. >> They do. >> And some have locks, you know. So there's there's other options that >> we've utilized in the past, but >> not all of them have the key >> key fob or the key access code that we'd be recommending getting everybody on the same system. And to that, can you s Can you suggest what would be the benefit between you having just a key to lock the door versus having a fob? >> In the event that there be an event on campus, you in the office, they can push the lock but lock down button and all the doors

213with that key fob lock in an in an instant. >> It's automatic. Is there a followup? A followup. Okay. Um is a wait is there a followup? Okay. Go ahead. >> Don't are there any foreseen issues with that? Say some students not be in the classroom at that time. >> There is a procedure that each site has in their safety plan that accounts for that because even if they are in the bathroom, they go and lock down, the teacher locks the door, they could still be outside too. So when what we've seen um in some of the presentations I I just was at one of the middle schools and they were reviewing their school safety plan is they have their campus supervisor safety supervisors walk throughout the campus and if they find a kiddo that's

214not in a lockdown classroom when they're running their drill they escort them to a classroom. So there's procedures in place. There's that when they do their drills, they go through >> scenarios like this to be able to mitigate it. >> Okay. Any follow up on that? >> Sure. I have I have a scenario. So say you have an active shooter and you have this automatic system and the door is locked and the student is outside and active shooters coming and the teacher can't open the door. Is that Can you >> The teacher can open the door. Teacher can open. >> The teacher can open the door. >> Yes. It's the exterior access that's locked down. >> Okay. Um I'm going to ask a question around a a different topic. Okay. Um with the the stadium

215improvement piece. So you have um you're showing Well, I can't see it now. [laughter] Um, and again, I'm not looking for exact amounts here, but can you break out those costs like the Okay, so what? So, um, so how much would the lighting, sound, and scoreboard cost? >> Yep. >> How much was it? Oh, >> how much would it be? >> Um, [laughter] yes, we can get the >> I don't have I don't have those broken out right now. So, when we did the >> I know the sound was roughly around $100,000, maybe give or take a few um lighting. Did we not? >> And again, I'm not going to hold you to it. If we could just get approximates >> like tonight or [laughter] >> I have faith in Tony. He's going to um

216>> it might be um actually um I could use a break. So um why don't we take a a five minute five minute break and then come back and we'll finish up questions >> and and you're going to be able to provide the breakout for that piece. >> I will work on that. Yeah, I just want to make sure we be looking at 1.957 mill. That's for >> existing >> replacing existing synthetic track and field surf surface would be 4.347 million. >> And just to clarify, we we natural turf would be about the same. >> It's going to be comparable just different pieces. Um >> and then looking at scoreboard would be 391,500. The sound system would be approximately 145,000 and flag pole would be approximately 29,000. >> Thank you. Are there other questions? >>

217Who trust what? >> Well, it's not a followup. >> Okay. If you have a followup, Trusty Verbeth, go ahead. There's a flag pole that's near the stadium. Can we recycle that and use it? Can we cut it down or whatever? Move it. >> Um, depending potentially parts of it, it would depend on the age of it um and the existing condition. We could re-evaluate it, but the infrastructure below ground is actually what costs more than the flag pole itself. The footing is usually at least three feet deep with concrete bar and all the things. So, we could look at doing that. Yes. >> But that doesn't cost $29,000, does it? >> Just asking. >> We're giving you conservative numbers. So, yeah, we >> we can definitely look at it. But this was uh price to

218replace or add new. But we can definitely look at that. >> I have a followup. >> And then I have a follow. Go ahead, Dusty. >> Which one of these um have to go through DSA? >> O >> the turf. Um he mentioned before potentially the scoreboard lighting as well. >> Yeah, potentially the field lighting as well >> depending upon the height of the poles. Tony, with this with the costs in there when we talked about having ADA access, is that already factored in here or would there be additional costs if you have to do anything in relation to access when you're redoing the field >> uh in the track? >> That one's hard to that one's hard to identify. So, this wouldn't necessarily be including any kind of robust, you know, if there was

219just really big gaps in access. Um, but I would imagine that minor things here and there, if you had to fix some sidewalks and do that, that would be included in this. But, you know, if we're talking any major access things to the the, you know, stadium seating or anything like that or the press box, that's something that comes up a lot is those press boxes are not in compliance and so having to put those into compliance. So, those are pieces that wouldn't be factored in here. >> Is that a followup? >> Trusty, >> why would DSA be involved with a scoreboard that's already existing? >> Structural. Yeah, it's a structural >> structural review >> and um my question would be um safety wise when we were talking about safety from what I was hearing

220and it sounds like the sound system there would be there's a connection to safety there. Are there other areas of safety that you could connect some of these field pieces to? Yeah, I think I mean I would say field lighting and the field conditions, right? I mean the kids are playing on the fields and they're running the track. Um so as the con they will continue to deteriorate and they're at toward at or toward the end of life. So whenever the project does happen, you know, if it's years away, then it's just going to get uh just going to get worse and there may be potential injuries. Other questions? >> Trusty Warden. Um, uh, let me pull up the slide real quick. Um, so for option A, um, for the Calaver Hills drop off improvements.

221Um, I just want to make sure that we are getting stakeholder stakeholder input with what it what those improvements are because what I've heard is that it's not happening. So, I just want to make sure that whether it's staff or um parents that that is being included before we make any decisions on moving forward with the funding for something like that. >> Yeah, it's part of the process. Um we have had stakeholder meetings and PTA meetings on the most recent projects to gain feedback in that way. Um >> and staff. Yeah, we've presented to staff. Not specifically at Cala because we haven't gone there yet. We haven't done any work there yet. The only work that we've done at the Calaver has been the steam lab. >> Okay. So, any future project, the way that

222we do is we get a conceptual pro uh concept conceptual drawing done. Once we get board approval on the concept, right, we really go back and and gain uh feedback from staff to as process when we develop the the project, right? So, we have schematic, we have um construction documents, we do go back to the site to gain uh feedback. >> Okay. Because it's listed on here, but you haven't gotten input yet. >> Correct. Because we haven't we we haven't moved forward with the project. We don't want to give them false hope if that's not a direction in which we're going. >> Okay. because it was presented to us in terms of reversing the traffic flow. >> That's a that's a concept. Yes, that is absolutely a concept. But we haven't gone any further past

223that. This is a potential >> uh direction for us to explore. There has been no feedback. There has been no presentation because it's not officially a project yet. That is simply a concept. >> Okay. >> Any other questions? Okay. Um, I would like to make a motion to approve option A project list for measure HH for discussion purposes only. Do I have a second? >> My motion is I would like to make a motion to approve the option A project list for measure HH for discussion purposes only. Do I have a second? >> For discussion, I second. Okay. >> So, we're in discussion and I just to say I um just went with the first one there as a way of being able to discuss and um come to some some decisions. So, I'm not

224supporting all of A or all of B or what have you. Um but we have to have a motion and a second in order to discuss. So, discuss who who who would like to start discussion? >> I'll start. >> Trusty Ward. Um, I I would, you know, going along with what Laura was saying earlier, too. Um, I would like more information about um each of these. I I know Jessica, you kind of walked through each of the safety importance of each one. However, I I I think I want to get that prioritization better because like for example, the access control, I know that's important. However, I've worked on campuses for a long time where we didn't have that and we still did um correct, >> you know. So, can that be delayed, you know, >>

225further, you know, and and I I guess that that prioritization I I I want to be able to see that and that presented um to have a better sense of um having that decision. I don't know how my colleagues feel about that, but um >> so what I'm hearing you say is that you'd have a hard time voting for any of these at this moment until you had that prioritization list that we're saying. Okay, >> Trustee Emory, >> are there any that we're feeling that regardless of the prioritization are like instrumental to start that process? Because if we start the process, it doesn't mean we're fully committing to that. Correct. So, are there any that you feel like we should kind of get a get them moving on, but then to come back with more

226detailed information once they have, you know, go through the design and once we have more of that information? >> Yeah, I I would like consider maybe if there's a musto >> like fire alarms, >> like moving forward with that, you know, would be a musto. Um, I know the sound system isn't necessarily a musto. However, the cost is low, so there's some comfort in that, but um, but I I really do want to understand like which one of those are paramount in terms of safety and, you know, what we can move forward, but you know, they have to present that to us, >> right? >> Trust Beth. So storm drain repair, so soil mitigation is obviously important as is field access and fencing. My question is that was we spent how much money on this

227project initially? 100 $100 million. Is that right? >> Uhhuh. >> Yes. Roughly hundred million. >> Why didn't we plan for this back then? And why are we now having to pay for >> We're in discussion, trust. Okay. So, I have a problem with poor planning. Um, and so that's my discussion because now we're having to pay for poor planning and there are other things that need to be prioritized that were in Measure HH that were voted on by voters. And so, yes, I think that's important, but um I think you could buy them their um golf cart that got stolen and they can have access to the field. I don't know. Like, I'm just looking at cutting costs. So, I'm not being sassy. I'm just being like, well, I think that there are some other

228things that we have to prioritize. >> And and what are those other things from from your perspective? How because again, it's I mean, I'm at Yeah, >> I I made the motion, but again, I'm not saying that I support all of option A. So, what what could you support at this point? >> Um, I you know, again, poinsettia, like how old is poinsettia? >> We're in discussion. I know, but it's part of my discussion. I just like >> why are we like I have a problem with manhole repair replacement when the school's fairly new. So, >> but what I'm asking you, what what could you support out of out of all the things that we've talked about tonight? What could you support? >> So, I could support a fire alarm system at Carlsbad High School

229that works that doesn't constantly go off. I don't know. Like, I mean, you have $4 million up there, but um Okay. I guess what we have just doesn't work at all and has to be redone. So, I can I can get behind that. Um, I do think the chiller pump at some point needs to be replaced because it's going to go out and then we have like a real problem in the classroom. Kids can't learn. Um, yeah, we need more information on the soil mitigation because I think once you open up the earth and we start getting into that, that's going to be a big big issue that's going to lead to other problems. Um, >> so you're saying you could not you you wouldn't support it as is, but what would you support? Would

230you support more investigation? >> More investigation getting our legal legal involved or whatever? >> Access control. I'm you know I I'm with Trusty Ward on that. like I think you know that seems to be a big ticket item for every site and I'd like to look at some other options on securing our campuses without having to spend that much. >> Can I ask a follow-up question to trust just about that? >> Would you be open or any of the board members to just securing the front office and not going into access control for the whole site to make sure that parents or bad actors can't go straight through the lobby into the school? >> Yes, I would. Yes. Could we get a cost for that before we say yes on that? But okay. I mean

231that it's hard to say yes to something when you don't know how much it costs. >> And I I think that's kind of my issue is >> not just the priority of importance, but also the itemization of costs for these things because it's, >> you know, we're kind of going into this blindly. I mean, I know you have some lump sums here, but um but now that you're kind of breaking that up, front office versus the whole school, that's not going to be 623,500 for caliber, >> right? just >> um I think from visiting uh a couple of the sites they seem to be very excited about the access control for sir at the elementary level and I think I would be supportive um of the access control more urgently with the elementary sites. I

232feel like the older children maybe are a little more capable in emergency situations and that feels more urgent with the elementary population for me. >> Are there other things that you could support tonight? >> Yes, 100% uh sound system, scoreboard, and lighting at the stadium. I think those are urgent and the public has been loud and clear with their support for those. Um, I think the fire alarm system at Carl'sbad High School is it it's uh >> misfiring for lack of better. Yeah, it goes off all the time. It's very distracting and and that's a hazard for sure. When I would say that that's kind of a crywolf situation where it's like when there's a real emergency and people are oh it's just another false alarm that to me that right that every game it

233goes off and they don't they have to leave the field to go determine if it's an actual emergency or not. >> And just to clarify you said sound system lighting and >> Scoreboard. Sorry. >> Are we talking about option B or just A? >> No. I I I'm saying peace meal. What could you Yeah. Right. Right. I I didn't know that. I thought you were just talking about option A. >> No, no. I'm just saying what you know, what could you support right now today? >> Well, I'm definitely in favor of the sound system and the scoreboard and um the lighting. >> Okay. Okay. Um was there anything else that you could support? Trustee, I heard fire alarm system down with the track and field as well and the flag pole. I would like that

234whole package as presented by staff. I understand that some of us want to get more information. Um, but I don't know that that's necessarily mutually exclusive because if the costs are similar, even if they're presenting options if we're considering as a as a whole and it would be nice to have the stadium as a whole refreshed so that we're not shiny new scoreboard and awful track. Okay. Um, did you want to add anything to a Steve or you said or were you finished with adding stuff? Well, now that we're looking at option B, I would like also [snorts] the because DSA is involved and it's going to take time, I'd like to hire whoever we need to hire and get our bids or whatever to look at fixing the whole thing at the stadium as

235well. >> Okay, Trusty Henry. >> Um, along those same lines, I I fully support the fire alarms um and along that the intercom system at Pointia. should there be a lockdown situation that intercom is just integral for you know announcing to the campus. I think you know we're able to lock the doors on my own but we can't yell out into the quad and you know announce to everyone. So I I think that for me would be a priority on those along with the office doors. I think that is you know secure access. >> Which one? >> The office doors pulled apart from the access control. >> Got it. Okay. Um, as having been at a site where, you know, there's attempted abduction and not having that, I am fully aware of how important that

236is. Um, I love the carpet off the walls, but again, it's not safety. So, you know, I would like to leave those things for later. But, um, I would like more information. I think I'm really concerned about the soil mitigation at Sage Creek and I'm wondering if we can get more information even just a little if it doesn't go into those repairs but we kind of dig into at least part of it if then we can use that to our advantage to then seek alternative funding sources. So I'd be curious going into that without the repairs necessarily. So, if we could get more information on breaking that apart >> um like we've done with some of the others. >> Okay. >> And then can I do one more? >> Um go ahead. >> On uh

237I do agree with um you know one of the things when I was talking with Dr. Norman about this is you know safety and things that touch all students. Um and you know having those in mind um you know I fully agree this the sound system you know is super important and I would like more information on you know scoreboard is not a huge cost in the grand scheme of things but if we're talking between lighting and track and field that that's a really tough one. So I'd like some more information on that because track and field is used daytime nighttime regardless and lighting is only you know a singular event. Um, so I think having more information on that would be really important. >> And when you say more information, what type of information

238are you looking for >> around the costing? Um, I know when I talked to Dor, Dr. Norman, we had a little bit different talk around the the field cost and you know, replacing the turf to the grass. Um, I don't know um you know what the actual cost estimation is. >> Tony shared an estimate earlier for it. Okay. So then that would be the most recent information. >> Yeah, what Tony shared tonight. >> Okay, perfect. Um and then do um so on those costs and what we expect in the timeline like do those things need to be put through now even if we don't fully approve them they need to get in line. >> Okay. So so you would need um before it would be your yes I could agree you want you would have

239to have that type of information come back. Okay Beth >> correct me if I'm wrong but I think the lighting is also a safety issue. I know that we had some significant issues at early games and staff were were saying we need more lighting in the darker areas where kids are gathering that are not participating on the field. And so I think some of the lighting is also am I correct that some of that lighting is behind where the stadium sits to light some of those areas that get dark. Is that correct? There was some areas that were identified that could use an increased amount of lighting and that could definitely be explored uh during part of this process. >> So is that separate the lighting? >> We're in discussion. So we we really need

240to stay in discussion and so >> I think whatever lighting is needed for safety reasons whether it's on the field or off the field is good. >> Okay. So you you would you definitely want lighting on the list. >> Lighting is definitely Yeah, I have it on your list. All right. Okay. It is a safety. It's the the black top area on and route uh to the snack bar. Kids are congregating there and it's very dark and >> Yeah. Thank you. >> Just to kind of piggy back on those, I think we all agreed that all of these are safety and so it is really hard to pick those apart. So, um you know, I'd be curious um to get more information on that. Yeah. On all of those because >> for that reason. >>

241Yeah. And I I agree with everything that Allison said. Um, I I I think, you know, the sound system, you know, especially based on the cost and not having to go go through DSA would is reasonable. I'm hesitant for the track and field and the lighting. I I would go through and provide access control to all of the schools before that um intercom system like you said. So, >> but is that something you would agree to now or what? >> What I that Yeah. So everything Allison said, yes. Um I would agree to. Um >> so as far as access control, for instance, Allison had said that um she would go office doors only. Is that what you're saying? >> I would be okay for the schools. I I would definitely be okay over lighting

242and traffic. >> Well, and again, yeah, I'm not asking one over the other. It's more of what what could you agree to right now today? >> Oh, I see. >> That's what I'm trying to get at. I'm trying to get a peace meal to where we could do something, you know, where we could get something and give some direction today to >> Sure. to start then, I would say what Allison said. Um, access control to the office intercom system at Point Setia. >> Um, the manhole repair replacement, especially if that's a tripping or liability and the cost is so low, uh, sound system. Um and definitely looking into the mitigation for the soil drain stuff. >> And could you put up um uh the fasttrack slide? >> Okay. So, I'm I'm hearing some some pretty

243solid consensus around fire alarms. Um, wait. Could you put it back on the Sorry, [laughter] >> I apologize. >> I wanted to see this part here. Um, uh, so fire alarm, sound system, >> lighting. Um, I'm not sure I heard lighting. I heard scoreboard. I saw I mean I'm not saying everybody said it, but I think that there's enough to to get it over the finish line. No, no pun intended. [laughter] >> [gasps] >> Um, yeah, I I did not I I'm not hearing I'm not at least seeing a um uh investigation on the mitig on the soil mitigation more investigation and >> Okay. Okay. Is that okay? Um, >> I only heard two people say that the the manhole piece >> is that were to trip in the parking lot. >> Pardon? >> If

244someone were to trip on it in the parking lot, it could be. >> And I heard some interest in the chiller pump. Um, did you talk about >> Okay. So, so the list that I have that that based on the comments that at least at least three or more would be good with going forward with right now. fire alarm, sound system, scoreboard, um investigation and pursuit of um of um I I guess the soil when when I say investigation, it would also be investigation of potential legal um components and um uh and other sources of funding, you know, insurance type stuff, that type of thing is what I heard. Um, so and that there's a cost associated with that, but I'm assuming that's very low at this point. So, we're not talking the eight million.

245Um, the office door shut down, I heard at least three on that or, you know, I think there would be the chiller pump. Um, I would put my support behind the chiller pump. Um, so that would So, I did hear at least three on that one. And the intercom, >> um, is there um, uh, I could >> I know. Yeah. Are we going to be Yeah. >> [laughter] >> U I could get behind that compromise. Yeah. Okay. Well, wait. >> We never talked about that nasty locker room either. >> That wasn't on the list. It was on any of our lists, unfortunately. So, >> um Well, [laughter] >> um we can take a look at that outside of this. So, >> yeah, I I want to kind of do Yeah. Um uh I only heard

246one on the manhole. I think >> No, I I only heard Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. I think the man holds out. >> My My feeling for that is if it's impacting a couple spaces, I hate to lose parking, but it's easier to lose those two parking spaces >> and kind of limit them off until we have a better idea on some of the larger product projects. Um, >> is that what we're currently doing is we're taping it off so no one can. No, I I mean again we're in discussion so let's I mean let's if I mean if you can convince the you know two more people to say to prioritize the manhole. >> All right. So that's I just want to um Okay. So um is there anything else that we think that you

247can convince others of that we can get to what we think is three? I think the field is important because of safety and a lot of people use it. >> Could we first get a rough estimate of >> what? >> No, no, no, no, not that. But hold on. [laughter] Okay. >> A rough estimate of the cost of the current list that we have to see. >> I was going to use my handy in a calculator on that. [laughter] >> So, I just want to >> I want to make sure we're not topping off right there and then to see >> Oh, we're definitely not. I'm updating the list that I have on my end, too. >> Okay. So, you So, you might be able to use your candy hand. >> I have a spreadsheet.

248So, I'm updating the spreadsheet as as you guys are >> No, we're not even close. >> Okay. >> Can I make a point as he's adding, you know, I'll be the elevator music killing sometime here. Um, I do want to I would be remiss to note, you know, we've had as many impassioned people speaking about our fields and our, you know, our sports and our kids in that regard as we have um, you know, our Vapa students and and other and I know that that um, the CAC was one of the ones on the original bond. There is no way we can do it. >> But I'd like to at least and I already spoke with Dr. determined about this, you know, make sure that we're communicating um with those families and providing, you know,

249um other it's not a request at this moment, but you know, just I think we need to communicate that as a board saying that, you know, they are still a priority, although it's not a, you know, safety issue right now and we can't do it all. Um I would like us to possibly put our heads together and think about >> Okay. And that would be addressing that. >> Yeah, that'd be a conversation for another day. And so, um >> absolutely. So were you able to calculate those things or should I do it? >> So I've so here's what I have um you know just for looking at at the different and and right now what I have is 22 million based on what I've taken out and and is not on the list overall. Um

250but just looking at poinsettia access control for the elementary schools is that >> no no we have to we have to price and modify access control. Got it. Let me take all those out then. >> Right. Changing the counter potentially the way we have it at Valley. Say for example at Point Setia. It's not just the buzz in that but it would be changing the whole configuration. >> Okay. >> It's not even close to 22 million. I'm not sure where that number is coming from. >> So no stadium improvements at at Sage Creek. Just >> no. Okay. Let me let me read you the list again. So, fire alarm, sound system, scoreboard, more investigation on the mitigation, uh, the soil mitigation, which would include, you know, pursuing legal, uh, an inspector to really know where

251we're at. >> Um, office doors only for the access control piece, chiller pump, and an intercom at pointia. I know we're not that close that President Rings, just going back to the office, it wouldn't just be the door. We'd need to make sure we change the counter so that they can't run straight through or go straight through kind of like we did at Valley. Okay. And that's that's good. Okay. Yes. So that um but we didn't want the entire access control um component just that piece. Okay. >> Okay. So looking at so pointedia we just have intercom system then some modified access control which we don't know numbers yet. So that's 160,000 plus whatever this access control could potentially be. Um the um uh CH um ES and MS we're looking at nothing >> for

252the front office. >> Yes. Yes. >> That would be the only piece, right? Okay. We don't have an estimate on that yet, so pull that out. Um stadium improvements at at Carl'sbad. So we have that in there. 6.8 million. We have fire alarm at 3.9 million. And then we have the chiller pump at 652,000. So that's 11 million for Sage Creek. I mean, sorry, for Carl'sb High, >> it doesn't include the tracking field, >> right? >> The the only items for the field that again that there's at least three sound system and scoreboard, which um >> got it. >> Well, no, for the field again, this is what we we have at least three for >> sound system and scoreboard. Let me add that up. I feel like we're we're kind of rushing through this

253and this is not something that we can like vote on right away. I mean, he has to break down these costs and Right. I mean, I think I think we need them to do it and make sure >> Well, we have a motion on the floor and then if there's a modified motion um and then we can see if if we can get at least three folks to vote for it or not. >> Okay. But how are we doing that when we're kind of blindly going into this? I mean, has to break down. >> I I think what we can do is that if if you guys vote on focusing on these projects for the first round, what we can do is tighten up the numbers based on the requests that are being asked of

254tonight. >> We have, I think, essentially a a first round target. And then what we do is just bring it back in December and say okay we've or January and say these are January these are based on what we heard this is the cost breakdown and then we can further go from there. >> I mean these are just approximates and again this isn't the end of the conversation because what we're asking for is that >> you know that more information come back before we make decisions on anything else. So what we're saying is that there's at least three people that are saying move forward on the scoreboard and the sound system for instance. And so if that there's that then they should move forward. So that's that's what I'm trying to get at is that

255where what are the things that we could at least have three for and then anything else goes >> off the I know but we're not doing that. We're sitting here waiting for Tony to get numbers. That's why I'm saying if he could if if Jessica can provide that then sure let's move forward with that list and have them bring it back. Yeah, we're we're well under with the numbers that we've talked about. I have 6.7 million. So, I mean, you're under the 18 million. So, whatever we come back with in January of what you've identified today is going to be below the the cost threshold. So, I think that you'll have a reasonable expectation that those can move forward when you get that additional information in January without getting close to the budget and then

256we can identify potentially uh other projects that >> so what I hear being said and let me maybe reate it. So, we'll just decide on like a first round of what we can do that we 100% know that we give the green light to go today and then additionally also knowing that we're being fiscally responsible with these main priorities that we all agree on, come back later with additional information and then pick more with that additional information. is that >> what this what the authorization tonight allows us to do is get with architects, say this is the project that we want to do, have them further develop it if need be and provide real time, real design, move away from the more conceptual per square foot price and start looking at the project in more

257detail. >> Yeah, >> that's what it would allow us to do. >> Pre-esign, right? that that gets you exactly what the project will be and that allows you to align the cost better >> based on this list and then you're going to come back in January and share that so we're not sitting here waiting for >> right and again these are approximates that's why I was saying you know 22 million is not even it's not even close to to where >> but if we can get three and then from my perspective um it it speaks to what Jessica talked about is that you have people you know bidding and you know we need to get in the pipeline if we want some of this fasttrack stuff done Um, and so that's why I'm thinking that

258if we can at least, you know, come up with a list of things that, you know, most of us can agree to, I think that that's I think we've had success, you know, in my opinion. Okay. So then, um, >> yeah, I again I I don't want to wait for numbers either. I I just wanted to make sure we're not at 22 million. I wanted to get away from that. >> Um, not at all. >> I know we're not in the question period, but I'd like to know um Dr. Norman's um thoughts on the items we've selected and going forward as the next step as we're discussing right now. >> And that would be part of uh discussion because you know getting the perspective of what we're talking about. Yes. Well, first I want to

259commend the board on your work together tonight. It really shows how you've moved forward and you're working together as a team even though we're we're trying to you know trade for lighting or manholes and I love the fact that there's levity with the group and I just want to commend you for that. So, thank you for working together on this. I too agree with the priorities you've identified with access control to the office primarily focusing on that. That's really important and it's something I've done throughout my career and I I think it provides peace of mind for the office staff and for the staff in general throughout the school. Um I have had my my ear filled with concerns about the fire alarm at Cal um Carlsbad High School. So, I I really think that

260that's important. I love that you're also identifying the scoreboard and the sound system. I think that those are very visual and it's important when we do bond projects that we do things that people can easily see and recognize and we've heard from our community that that's something that they certainly want. I think intercoms are essential for communication. Um, as someone who's been in the M world, chiller pumps are extremely expensive and when they go down, you have to buy them. And when they're not in your budget, it's debilitating for you. So, I love that you're planning for that also. And we got a little taste of that this summer. We ended up spending I think about $20,000 on rental um HVAC. So, I think that that's important. Um honestly, I think the soil investigation um

261is going to take possibly a a a special meeting or or we're really going to have to dive into it because it sounds like it's going to be a really big topic. I think it's great that we're starting possibly with the geotech engineers and diving into what that's really going to be comprised of. also possibly applying for hardship funding, which is something you can get 100% funding for that we were talking about during the break, and looking at is there potentially insurance or anything else that we could possibly obtain. So, I really like your idea about let's let's dip our toe in the pool and see what other information we can get. Okay. So, I'm going to amend my motion um to um to ask the board to approve staff bringing back uh fire alarms,

262sound system at Crosbed High School, scoreboard, investigation into uh soil mitigation at Sage Creek, uh office door access control, uh chiller pump at Carlsbad High School and intercom. May I have a second? >> A point of information, would that be bringing back or would that be the board approving those going forward? the board is approving those going forward and so the the staff is being directed to take next steps. >> Okay. So it's not to bring back more information but to take next steps >> to take next steps. >> But it doesn't mean it's like it's going to get done. I mean they have to continue to bring it back if you were asking for more information. >> Yeah. But I think that they shared that they're going to bring back information and confirm the

263cost. >> But we're telling them to take the next step to bring it forward. That's my that's my amended motion. Um, second. I I think I um I do think if Trusty Ward would do it, I think she has to because she seconded the original motion. >> So, thank you. Okay. Any discussion on this piece? >> I think it's a great idea. >> Yeah, I I think it's going to work. I I'm glad we were able to kind of, you know, flesh out what we want, what we think is good. I think it's a good compromise. And um I wasn't interested in, you know, spending $19 million without more information. So, I I was comfortable with this list as well. So, I'm I'm very pleased that we're moving forward, but we're not jumping in wholeheartedly

264to spend all of our money. So, any other discussion? Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbath, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. Motion passes five to zero. >> Great. And we will now move on to um and actually pardon. >> Can I make a a point of information? Can do we need to extend the meeting? >> Sure. We'll do it now. Um may I have a motion to extend the meeting past 10 o'clock? >> Motion. >> Second. >> We have a motion from Trusty Emmery, second from Trusty Seos. Miss Garcia, please. Or any discussion, questions? Okay. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Berpath, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes.

265>> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. Um, we'll now skip personnel uh services as we do not have any items this evening. Uh, we now move on to part 12, instructional services, item 12.1, approval of resolution number 15.2526, designating November as parent guardian involvement month. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Brackett. >> Thank you, President Rawlings. Um, at the November 2024 regular board meeting of the board of trustees, uh, the trustees adopted resolution number 13-2425 designating November as parent involvement month. In recognition of the vital role that family and school collaboration plays in student success, it is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees approve resolution number 15-2526 designating once again November as parent

266involvement month. I'll hand it back over to you, President Willings. >> Thank you. Uh this is time for public comment and we have one blue card. Uh Scott Davidson, >> good evening. Uh just for the record, this uh resolution was proposed in November 2023, not 2024. Um the reason I know that is because I'm the one who proposed the resolution. So here's a copy of the actual resolution that I proposed for those of you who are new here, Dr. Norman. Um I proposed this resolution for parental involvement and parental engagement in November of 2023. Um Dr. Churchill uh said that he would present it to the board. He actually gave them a different resolution. That's what you actually have tonight. So the yellow highlighted just so you can see everything on the front, everything on

267the back. That's what Dr. Churchill deleted. He didn't want that read or presented to parents in the public. So for the purposes of the benefits of parents in the public, I'm going to read that because you guys are going to read the other version. Um and I would, you know, of course respectfully request that the board consider going back to the original resolution. All of the original content is expressing parental rights, the rights that parents have and partnerships with the district. So, um I'll make it short if you want to shorten the timer. Um but I'm just going to read you the main parts that uh Dr. Churchill left out and if you feel like adding it back in, you can look through your records and find from November 2023 that that's where it is.

268So uh whereas research has shown conclusively that early and sustained family involvement at home and at school in the education of children results both in improved pupil achievement and in schools that are successful at educating all children while enabling them to achieve high levels of performance. Whereas the parents and guardians of pupils enrolled in public schools have the right and should have the opportunity as mutually supportive and respectful partners in the education of their children within the public schools to be informed by the school. Whereas parents have an absolute right to access any and all pupil records related to their children that are maintained by school districts or private schools. Whereas statements and efforts by school officials and employees to maintain the secrecy of student information from their parents is antithetical to the philosophy and

269vision of our democratic system of government and the fundamental purpose of public education. Whereas public schools are currently experiencing declining public trust and declining enrollment from recent efforts to exclude parents from schools and efforts to maintain secrets from parents relating to their students. All of which are antithetical to the aforementioned policies and priorities. Now therefore, and this is where I get into the actual request that Dr. Churchill did not want to do. Be it further resolved that the superintendent shall notify parents during parental involvement month of the specific policies and procedures for parents to request access to all of their students records relating to their academics, athletics, mental health and well-being, and any other activities in which their students may be involved with at school. Be it further resolved that the superintendent shall notify parents

270during parental involvement month of the specific limited circumstances in which a parent will not be notified of information about their student and the legal basis for those circumstances. And be it further resolved that the superintendent shall notify all employees during parental involvement month of the relevant laws and policies cited herein relating to parental rights and further encourage all employees to develop their own practices to encourage and ensure the involvement of parents in their students education. I don't know why Dr. Churchill didn't like those. I don't know why he didn't like parental rights, but you guys can change that. We have a new superintendent. You have a new board. So, I hope that you will consider the original parental involvement resolution and approve that tonight. Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? >> Trusty forbeth.

271>> Is that something we would consider as a board? >> That would be under discussion. >> So, that was my question. >> Discussion. >> Well, the question is to staff. So it the the discussion would be um under the for the board's consideration. So that would be discussion. >> So can I ask Dr. Norman a question? >> Yes. >> Dr. Norman, you're part of staff. So is that something that we could consider changing? And is that possible? Something we could do tonight. >> I hadn't I actually hadn't heard the resolution till it was just read by Mr. Davidson. We have one in front of us. I believe this is one that we read last year that does encompass parent guardian involvement. So, we changed the wording a little bit. We also updated it to take

272out any um LCFF funding that was mentioned in it before. Um but I wouldn't be comfortable switching anything out at this point. And just procedurally as the um um as the chair of the group um it would have to be uh on the agenda as before we could actually vote on something which means there would need to be a public notice on it. So what we we we either vote for what's on the agenda or not or if we wanted to do a change you could certainly um you could make that as a request during discussion. Any other questions? Okay. Um, may I have a motion for um, board of trustees to approve resolution number 152526? >> Motion. >> Is there a second? >> Second. We have a motion from Trustee Ward, a second by

273Trustee Emory. Uh, discussion. I'd like to ask my fellow trustees, would you be interested in considering some or all of those changes in the future? And we could, I guess, agendaize it at that point or we have to approve this one because it's before us tonight. >> Approve or not approve. >> Or not approve. Those are those are two options, right? >> Those are our two options, right? So would the board consider um bringing this back for a discussion to possibly look at some of additional um changes to it in the future? >> I would say procedurally if you wanted to bring that as a governance request at whatever time you chose to do that you could certainly do that and if you could get you know at least three folks to um agree then

274that could be something that could be considered. Do we do governance requests? >> Correct. We do not do government >> well. I mean if you wanted something on if you wanted to request something on a future agenda, >> right? So that could be but you you know you would have to bring it forward as a just procedurally is um Right. >> Okay. Um President RS for agenda items they'd have to be 30 days in advance and then and then we'd approve it. >> Yeah. Right. I mean following the policy for a um a trustee to add something to the agenda and that was just updated I think last month. Okay. So that would be procedurally that would be the way to do that if if that's what you wanted to do. Are there is there

275other discussion? Trusty C. You look like you have something on your mind. [laughter] [sighs] I don't want to miss a queue if if the queue is there. [laughter] I'm trying not to >> I It's late. I I think that I I'm wondering the why. What is the intention of this resolution, the current resolution? That's okay. Yes. Um uh um my understanding is is that this resolution is um uh something that comes from PTA, Parent Teachers Association, in order to recognize the involvement of parents in the the whole education system. And so it's meant to and it's uh and I I believe it is it's PTA and correct me if I'm wrong, it's PTA that um has adopted November as parent involvement month. Is that correct? Is it is it PTA? >> I'm I I'm not

276sure about that. I'd have to look into that. >> I think it is. But I think that I think that was the origin that PTA designates November as parent involvement month in students education and therefore that's why it's being brought forward this month is my understanding. >> So and the third line it does reference joining PTA or taking a part >> in invol in involvement. Um, so it's kind of like I I can see that thread in that. Um, I'm wondering um the comments that Mr. Davidson made were kind of coming from the perspective of protecting parents' rights and this reads more like rahrrah thanks parents. So I I it feels kind of trit is I guess my my thought on that. >> Okay. Thank you. Any other discussion? Trusty for Beth. >> Since we're

277not LCAP anymore. So then the >> we are LCAP. We are not LCF. >> All right. L LCFF. Thank you. It's late. >> We don't say real words around here. Just a lot of [laughter] a lot of acronyms. >> Any other discussion? Okay. Well, I will say um discussion since there does seem to be some objection to the resolution um or or you know a feeling of trightness in the resolution um uh does the board want to go around the room and read it or just um put it up for a vote and be done with it? >> Put up for a vote and be done with it. Anyone else? Um any objections to not reading it round the room? Okay, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty Ciosci, [clears throat] >> yes.

278>> Trusty Verbette, >> no. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes four to one. >> Thank you. Next uh section, we move on to part 13, board policies. Uh, it's a revision of board policy 6142.1, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Brian Brockett. >> Thank you, President Rawlings. The first one I'll read uh is actually 6141.2. Uh, the numbers are very similar on these uh different policies, but board policy 6141.2, Two, recognition of religious beliefs and customs has been updated based on recommendations from the California School Boards Association to reflect the US Supreme Court decision in Makmoud v. Taylor. Uh the policy was updated to extend to students whose parents or guardians have properly

279opted them out of instruction on the basis of their religious beliefs, the offering of an alternative activity of similar educational value, and to prohibit disciplinary action, academic penalty, or other sanction on the grounds that the student was opted out. It is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees review the board policy 6141.2 and approve as a first. >> We're on point one. >> We're on 0.1. >> Yes, we are on point one. Oh, we're we're in out of order. I'm sorry. >> No, it's >> 13.1. >> I apologize. They were out of numerical order >> on there. Yes, >> thank you. Uh, so let me jump to 6142.1. Thank you for the clarification. Um 6142.1 is the board policy on sexual health and HIV AIDS prevention instruction. Uh it has also been updated uh based

280on recommendations from the California school boards association to reflect the US Supreme Court decision in Machmood v. Taylor. Uh the policy was updated to add the section of general criteria um for instructional and materials which was moved from the accompanying AR or administrative regulation um as that section is more appropriately placed in the board policy. Uh with that, uh it is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees review the board policy 6142.1 and approve as a first reading. Thank you. Uh this is the time for public comment. We have received one blue card. Um it does say Shauna Hurst, so I will say her name. I'm not seeing her. Okay. And she is not here. So we will move on. Uh trustees, do you have any questions? Okay, no questions. I may have a motion

281to approve a board policy 6142.1 and approve it as a first reading and wave the second reading. >> So moved. >> Second. >> We have a motion from Trusty Emmery and a second from Trusty Ward. Discussion. Not seeing any discussion. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Berbath, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes five to zero. >> Thank you. And I now move on to item 13.2, revision of board policy 6141.2. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Bryant Brackett. >> Thank you, President Rollins. with apologies for my first go around there. Let me uh let me reintroduce board policy 6141.2 which is recognition of religious

282beliefs and customs. Again, it has been updated based on recommendations from the California School Boards Association uh to reflect the US Supreme Court decision in Machmood v. Taylor. The policy was updated to extend to students whose parents or guardians have properly opted them out of instruction on the basis of their religious beliefs the offering of an alternative activity of similar educational value and to prohibit disciplinary action, academic penalty, or other sanction on the grounds that the student was opted out. It is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees review uh the board policy 6141.2 and approve as a first reading. >> Thank you. This is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? Trusty for

283Beth. >> Thank you. Um the Mahmood opt out form we're using asks parents to identify the specific instructional material or lessons that substantially interferes with their religious beliefs without providing the parents with the lessons in advance. How would a parent know what lessons they object to if they are not provided with them first? >> It's good question. the the you parents are are teachers and and schools communicate with parents about the curriculum in a variety of ways whether that's through uh newsletters uh Google classroom uh the syllabus at the beginning of the year um and and other ways in in you know in regard to with this having come up uh in the Machmood decision uh we have situations where folks are aware of potential um potentially concerning materials and then we'll provide a specific

284communication similar to what we've done for a long time with the health education curriculum. So, um, as we work through this, I I think that there are a variety of ways that we are working through. We've also got parents that have utilized, although that form is intended to be kind of specific, we have parents that have reached out to us with with a more general um, opt out request. um that that begins a conversation with the family and and I think the real value there is is being able to engage in that conversation um with families about the things that might be concerning to them. um the the oftentimes that you know we're able to really kind of drill down into what um what specific lesson or instructional materials might be of concern and and

285sometimes that leaves us with a okay I'm I'm good for now and other times that has led to a specific um question about a specific book or in in the cases that we've had so far it's been a a book um so uh I think that the the real value is in being able to engage in that conversation that's that's what that form triggers. Um I don't know that I you know that the that the uh that the process that we have right now is perfect. Um and and certainly we continue to assess and evaluate um as uh questions come up and as we hear feedback. Uh but I think that that what that form does is allows that entry point into a conversation with the family to to better understand their their concerns and

286needs. >> Trusty White, >> it's not a followup. I I didn't see any other Okay. potential >> making sure I can't see down there. Okay. Um >> was did you did you look at the suggested guidelines from the California Department of Ed that was put out on August 6, 2025? >> Yes. We've looked at the the CDE uh recommendations. We've looked at CSBA recommendations. We've received uh legal uh guidance. Um uh we've we've kind of gathered input from a variety of sources. Um all of which are working with sort of imperfect information if I do say so. I mean this this was a um uh a Supreme Court decision that came down you over the summer. Um, and we, you know, uh, we like other organizations, you know, have kind of scrambled to, uh, make

287sure that we're respecting, uh, parents rights and and the and the decision as it's outlined and also doing that with without complete, uh, and information to be able to work off of. >> I have a followup. >> A followup, trusty Wood. >> Yeah. Um, well, I'm I'm asking because it looks like what's referenced in the AR is um absent of some of of what the CDE provided as a guideline. Um, and I think to uh Trusty Verbbeth's point, um, I think what what I've read in in the CD guidelines is that we would be providing that policy or material for parents to review just like we do as the example you gave with the HIV education or so. Um, is there a reason why we didn't really look at that or reference that? >> Well,

288like I said, that I I think we we do provide communication to families in a variety of ways about the curriculum um that they're going to be um their their students are going to be engaging in. We're also working with our instructional services team to to better refine and and to provide more outward facing information, for example, on the district website about what the what the standards, what the curriculum, what the adopted curriculum is at each of the grade levels. Um, and and even with that, there will still be times when uh there are things that are not included in that in in that material that will need to be communicated to families. So, we're continuing to work toward more uh forward- facing um uh communication as well as understanding that there will still be

289things that we'll need to communicate out directly to families. >> I I have another question. It's not a follow-up. >> It's not a follow-up. Is there a follow-up? I have a follow-up. Um uh when you talk about um where um there's different ways that uh parents find out about lesson plans, um how far in advance can will parents get this information? And then how long will it take for them to exercise um exercise an opt out if they choose to? And then how long would it take? So what's our timeline from the time a parent is made of made made aware of a particular lesson and the decision whether it's appropriate or not to opt out. >> That's a good question. It it depends uh on on the context of of what is being uh

290of what's being taught. We have not we have not drilled down a specific time frame. That's that's a a requirement. Um, like I said, you know, when when information is being provided, communicated out in advance via like a course syllabus, for example, that's that's a lot of a lot of uh information, you know, a lot of lead time out front with what is covered in a course, for example. Um whereas uh you know we had an instance come up recently where uh various books were going to be read uh at an elementary library uh in honor of u uh Thanksgiving and and celebrating family and and one of those books represented uh family and you know non-traditional family with a same-sex couple and and so that was communicated out a couple weeks before uh the

291the books were going to be read in the library. So there's there's kind of differing time frames. we, you know, we're continuing to refine and look at those processes, but we don't we don't have a specific uh time frame at this point on how long that takes. >> And I have another um I have another followup. So, without specifics and without um identified criteria of what would fall here, aren't we isn't this more of a subjective decision rather than objective decision? So the the Supreme Court in its majority decision said that these considerations are always going to be fact inensive and so we have um you know that I think that's that's sound guidance in terms of of really thinking about how these situations might play out in in reality. the the Machmood case dealt

292with a very specific uh situation where story books uh that had that were LGBTQ plus themed story books were being used as a part of the curriculum uh at an elementary school level. And there's there's a couple of reads uh that you know we hear in in you know in getting information from these different sources about Makmood and how to handle some of the optouts. Um, you know, we we've heard narrow inter- very narrow interpretations that speak just to that specific scenario. Um, and and we've heard wider interpretations that speak to the the right of a parent to opt out of of anything that they feel like uh significantly interferes with their uh the religious development of their child. Um a and so again when I talk about imperfect information and imperfect guidance that we

293have we are definitely in a situation where we're navigating uh uh where we want to make sure that we are you know respecting the the wishes of our families uh as well as um being you know being realistic about what we can do in terms of communicating out the curriculum that's happening. Um, and so I think that again, as I mentioned before, that that dialogue and inviting families into that dialogue where they have questions and concerns, um, is a is a really valuable sort of unintended consequence of of this. Um, we've had parents that, again, we've had folks that have reached out to us with kind of, uh, wide- ranging uh, you know, opt out uh, requests that say, "Hey, I'm I'm I'm concerned about this, this, and this." And and again, those conversations help

294us to narrow down and say, well, let's talk about the the things that your students going to be studying in their classes. And oftentimes really in in the curriculum uh in the adopted curriculum, there are a few things that that really run into the the concerns that we've heard from parents at this point. So, as we move forward, we we continue to to lean into the things that I've mentioned already, as well as to um as well as to, you know, sort of refine how those conversations go and and what we can uh glean from families as we move forward and and and again, I I don't know that we're perfect, but we're we're working and we really want to work with our families to make sure that we're doing the best we can. >>

295I have a followup. >> Um >> Trusty Seos, is it No, is it a followup? >> It is a followup. Okay. Then trust CS. Go ahead. >> If it makes more sense for >> No, it does. I mean, again, I I did see your hand first, so go ahead. >> Um, if I did want to thank staff for some diligent effort. This is a complicated situation to be managing and it's uh tough and Dr. Norman for your leadership. Um, you've been very responsive and handled, like I said, complicated situations with grace. So, thank you for that. And I think what um what I'm concerned with to to uh uh your point is getting some sort of consistency uh some sort of a timeline, whatever that looks like. For me, I discussed this with Dr. Dr.

296Norman that there's on one part where you're giving parents an opportunity to review materials and and and time to respond but also time for teachers and staff to make adequate preparations. Uh we want to be considerate of of our teachers time as well and not have this be a burden for them. I'm hoping that we as we >> What's the question though right now? >> Yeah. Is it about timeline? Is it about >> um Yes. Can we work? Can we focus on some consistency timeline? Yes. Um we didn't get the updates until um about an hour and 10 minutes before our close session meeting. So, I didn't have a chance to review. Um but it does you you mentioned um in how is the district going to ensure parents have the appropriate information in a

297timely manner so they can specify their requests? The response was individual teachers plan lessons and identify dates when the lessons will be delivered. Teachers will notify families of the content of the lessons and when the lessons will be taught. And I think there's there's a concern that you're putting that the decision making on the teacher. And so we we want it to be where this is the content, you make the decision and and where that's respectful of all involved. >> So is your question about um the decision making or so what so what is the question? >> The answer is yes materials ahead of time. >> The answer is yes. we're working toward >> and some sort of consistency with that like we've had forever and ever with the um the fifth grade um development

298class and and and that opportunity. >> Okay. Thank you, Trusty Emmery. >> Followup. Correct. >> Yes. on the same lines. Um, aren't uh don't most of the teachers already have go over the curriculum at their back to school nights at the younger grades if they don't have a syllabus? And don't most of them have a year um like a month-to-month year plan already where that could be maybe something that is changed or adopted um into the >> Yes, that's common and that's and that's what we're working on bringing some consistency around. Uh, as Trusty Scioce mentioned, we I think that's we're we're we've been working now and we're just, you know, a couple months into the startup of the school year. We're we're sort of gathering all of that, you know, uh, to really try

299to figure out the ways uh, and I agree that, you know, we want to we want to take that, you know, uh, as not be a burden on teachers. Um, but we also and and we want to have some standardization so we can say here here is the information. that's that's a process that takes more than the two months that we've had back in in session. So, we're we're working towards uh in that direction. Um and uh and definitely share some of those same concerns about making sure that that we're putting enough information out front for parents to be well informed. Um and in the meantime that we're that we're aware of what some of those concerns are and then we can respond and engage in some conversation as well. >> Trusty, what did you

300have a followup? >> I did. >> Okay. Go ahead. Thank you, President Rawlings. Um, so you shared you shared about, you know, how parents are reaching out via the form and your you know your administrators or you are are contacting them. Do you think that because currently in the AR you have a parent guardian may initiate the opt out process and what I've noticed um that do you agree that parents don't really know what they're opting out of right because when you look at that redacted list that you shared um they're all over the place right and because they don't really know I mean they're just opting out of I mean people are opting out of things that their kids aren't even in right because they don't even want the potential of that happening because

301they dislike it which is not the intent of Mahmood versus Taylor um from what I read uh so to answer that question do you feel that um with all of the responses that you've received so far aside from maybe a couple few of them. Um that that's why that parents are responding that way. >> I I think you know at the time that we initiated this process again with with fairly limited time and and information to be able to um to to you know have a full understanding of exactly how this would play out. Um I I think that you know um that that putting the opt out out there because parents at the beginning of the year may become aware of a specific lesson or material that that was going to be listed in

302a syllabus or or as a part of a uh as a part of a um uh you know a newsletter or something that they might want to opt out of. the fact that that many people have given general optouts um have been has been I would say um informative in that again it's it's helped us understand what some of the concerns are that folks are bringing to the table a and second it's it's allowed us to engage in those conversations and I think where uh where families have concerns or um or um are not sure about what it is that their student might be exposed osed to um it it's valuable to have those conversations and to be able to say, "Okay, let's let's talk through that. That's been my primarily the work of our

303principles at the site level. What we do, we get that form and then and then principles receive those that information for their sites." Um and and even when when we've had the limited number of specific optouts that we've had um specific as I mentioned to the the library book um the a number of those actually came to us as a general opt out. They didn't necessarily specifically name that book. Um but it was the follow-up conversation with the family to say, "Hey, I I've got this information from you. I want to follow up. I want to make sure that I understand um what's going on here. Um that that then honed in on that. So I I'm not sure necessarily that that that that part of the process goes away. It it is it is

304easy. If if someone submits a specific opt out and puts right on that form, I want my student opted out of this thing in this class. That's great. I would still argue that that we need to follow up and have some outreach with that family and say, hey, thanks. I got your specific opt out and then now let's talk through what alternative activity your students going to have. So I I do think that that really um while perhaps imperfect that we've received that that that kind of uh the the bulk of general optouts that we have. Again, the process really may not in the end be that much different because it involves ultimately us having conversation with with families to understand their their needs, their their desires for their children um and and working with

305them to find ways to address those. >> So, I have a followup on that. >> Just so um Dr. Brockett, I appreciate that you want to hear parent concerns and that you want to I mean I get that. I'm sure principals want to hear that and want to hear what concerns of parents are. But in regard to this specifically though for Mahmood, it it's not about just hearing about what their concerns are and you know using this as um a pathway to figure that out, but it it's actually specific with the intent of the religious opt out. Right? So, you know, I I think you have to be a little bit more intentional with that. So, I wonder if um or I'm I'm getting there. >> Waiting for the question. >> Yep. So, um, do

306you think that there could be a cleaner process, um, based on what the CD guidelines are and and what it's shared where it says that each LEA should determine what policies or materials require a mammud notice and opt out process. um could that be provided to give a little bit more guidance also to parents right um about what exactly that they're opting out of >> yes I think we can certainly I think that's certainly part of our refinement is is honing in a little bit clearer on that >> and I think we could provide more guidance for our staff too >> okay >> because it's comes on both ends we need to make sure that staff know what what we are considering >> and to follow up on that last one I got to follow

307up on that too, but go ahead. >> Yeah. So, um, thank you for that, Dr. Norman. Um, and are we providing with the information that's provided in the Mammud versus Taylor decision, are we providing professional development to teachers and staff members so they're clear on um the nature of this whole decision? Yeah, we we provided uh training for principles and teachers and and then principles in turn train teachers at the beginning of the school year. Um we'll provide additional training as needed. At at this point, we haven't done a a additional follow-up training on mass with with the whole group. Um but we've certainly worked with our site teams and teachers on case byase, you know, uh basis to to, you know, follow up and give guidance. our team is is sort of taking in

308all that information right now to to help us be better informed in terms of what kinds of issues are coming up because this is new to all of us. Uh and how we can continue to refine our practices to to um you know to to >> be a little bit more smooth and and uh and and and better you know more functional for both our families and staff. >> Just followup. >> Um sure. So going back to the number of days that might be most appropriate. Um Dr. Norman and I have talked a little bit about Ensenus. They have been under fire lately for this very situation. And so she has been discussing with superintendent there um a five-day notice as perhaps enough time for the teacher to gather materials to get a res to

309you know give the information to the parent and then to be able to get a response before the time set to go over that instructional content. So, have we considered a five-day window um as some kind of standard of practice so that we can tell our teachers so they have some parameter to work within? >> Yeah, we we've definitely had conversation about what timing is appropriate and and as I mentioned, we haven't landed on anything specific on a specific, you know, practice or recommendation at this point. And I think the Magnolia situation with the librarian was handled very well because you assessed that they only have library every other week. So it made sense to give a two-week notice in that situation. Right. Um and I really appreciated how that librarian handled that opportunity for

310parents to have enough time. >> Is there a question or so? Well, it's related to, you know, I think that you mentioned this too, President Rawlings, that, you know, we've got to, you know, standardize this somehow. Right. >> This is right. But that's that's for discussion. That's for discussion. >> Is that our intention is to get to some place where we create a parameter that our staff can also know, hey, this is when I need to um have have notified parents. >> Yeah. Again, we haven't nailed that down yet, but I think it's part of the discussion and we'd certainly welcome any, you know, input from trustees in terms of direction, you know, for consideration on that. >> And I think we'd also want to involve our partners and CUDA in these discussions as well.

311>> Is it a follow-up? Because I I do have a follow-up. Okay. Thank you. >> But to clarify to do what um uh Trusty Verbath is mentioning um can be separate from the policy. So we can adhere to the policy today and then um we can work on those details once we have more information and work with our partners. Is is that what I'm hearing? >> Yeah. To be clear, yeah, most of that these operational type questions really are are you know seated in the in the AR the policy itself. What what's updated in the policy merely reflects the the law of the land as it exists today based on the Supreme Court decision. How we how we operationalize that is is a different matter. Is it a followup? Because I do have a followup.

312>> No, go ahead. >> That's why I'm asking the question because I do have one. Um uh when it comes to um this this policy and any operational pieces um if it is approved um tonight or at a later meeting um will how will it be shared with staff and what kind of professional development would be around the sharing of that? So, so this information has already been shared with staff um because what's being updated in the policy has been the law since the end of June since since the Supreme Court decision was issued. So, so really we're we're updating the board policy at this point to reflect what what law exists already uh and has been shared yes with staff and with families at this point. Um, we don't we don't currently have a

313plan for follow-up communications subsequent to the approval of this policy tonight. Um, but rather the work that we're doing to kind of refine the process and as we make modifications to that, communicate those as appropriate. >> Other questions? Okay, one more question. Yeah, good. Are you able to provide the slides that you're using for training or professional development so that the board can see what you're training our teachers on staff on? >> I believe I they were already included in a Friday update earlier this year, but I can certainly stick them back in there at the top of the at the top of the list. Yeah. And that would need to be a governance request um during discussion if if we were going to if if if it needed to be shared in a Friday

314update. Trusty Ward, is it not a >> Okay, go ahead. >> Yes. >> Um I forgot what I was going to ask. >> Let me remember. Go >> ahead. Trusty word. uh what is the so currently the way that we handle like the BP that we just passed for the HIV education um it is based on what is stated here from for Mahmood too they're sharing that um the eleas determine what policies or material should be shared same with HIV right education we know so we provide time for review and um parents parents to opt out. So my understanding is that would be the same for the mammud um as well also. What so what is the timeline for the HIV education given to parents to review and to have the opportunity to opt out?

315>> We generally schools will send that out a month in advance. Um this was if if you go back and and read listen to the oral arguments and read the the Makmood decision, it's interesting because this was discussed um at that time and and there was um there was some discussion back and forth about the idea well you you know schools do this already with with health materials. Why why can't we do this with everything? And I think the the different the important difference that was pointed out at that time and that I would point out as well is that when when you have you know specific uh like contained health curriculum um you you can take that and say we're going to do that this this week. Um teaching in general doesn't necessarily always

316work that way. There are some there are certainly some big pieces that you that you have laid out in your plans over the course of the year and and teachers uh modify those plans based on student needs. They pull in things that are of interest. They they're they're working on the fly to meet the needs of their students throughout the school year uh in in a variety of ways. Um and so the reality is that that it's it's not as simple as saying, well, we do that for health. why can't we do that for everything else? Not everything else necessarily falls into a neat little bucket in that way. Um, and that's why, you know, it's it's a little more challenging to to try to find uh the the the middle ground and the right

317balancing point for that. >> Right. But to follow up on that, >> may I just >> um So to follow up on that, but the Mahmood decision was very specific. So it's not just oh um I'm going to teach math this week but you know it was it actually states three factors that the guidance has given and um you know that so are are those being considered because it's not just any lesson right or if they have to flex on this because they didn't differentiate or something like that. It it's really the training that is given to teachers and staff. Did did it include these specific points in terms of um uh presentation that is hostile to religious beliefs or um pressure to conform. I mean those are the things and I I just don't

318see that really happening in terms of like the classroom setting. Um and if it is, we definitely want to know. However, um that's the training I think you need that needs to be provided to teachers. I mean, and say, you know, do you have a lesson that's actually doing that? >> So, are you doing that? >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Again, I can I can share I can share the training with trustees um with with the information that's in there and it covers, you know, a variety of pieces of of the of the puzzle there, including existing board policy on controversial issues um and and how to handle those. And then I think that, you know, what we what we've done is sort of an assessment on on a on a certain level of uh what

319we know exists in the curriculum. Uh and then there's always you know again those those other pieces that teachers are bringing in to to the curriculum. The the other issue at hand is that um you know the that the uh that as I mentioned earlier the Supreme Court stated that these situ these considerations are fact intensive. So they talked a lot about how one the same thing at a certain grade level might have a different consideration at a different grade level different age of students. Um and so um you know that's those are all the pieces that we're working through. So I think it's it's worth noting that that the one the one opt out request specific opt out request that we you know have granted I guess you know for lack of a better

320term is is a specific book that was specifically communicated and as some of the trustees mentioned the the procedure it was it was a very close parallel to the the Machmood case itself. um and the procedure that was outlined which was notification and the right to opt out was was followed very well in that instance. Um so I I think that's the the the hard part right now is yes we can we certainly have feel like we've we've given teachers uh information about the types of things that might uh require that type of notification. And it's also going to continue to require ongoing reflection and conversation and engagement and and uh consultation with principles and and district staff to make sure that we're we're you know covering our bases. >> Just >> how much time

321have our administrators had to spend calling parents? >> Yeah, it's a good question. I that question came up and and I know you have that the information came late. I we don't have a a quantified amount of time that that these conversations or follow up on this has taken. Um I I think you know certainly yes it's taken some time. Also uh you know outreach to families that reach out to us with concerns is something that is a part of the the the principal's regular workload and conversations with families about what's happening in the classroom as a part of a teacher's you know regular workload. So, it's hard to say the degree to which this has created additional uh work in that area. And in some, you know, it's it's possible that it's created additional

322work. It's possible that those connections with families that might have called about other things, you know, are are being, you know, kind of taken care of because they've had a chance to connect. So, it's really it's really hard to say. >> Trusty. >> Yeah. Follow up to that. So, Trusty Ward mentioned um one of the documents you sent to us that was redacted. And if we go back, you know, to the dates, you know, we're back in August, we've got a bulk in no in in September and some in October. Um, and what you know, again, I'm going back to why aren't we presenting content first and then asking for the opt out? Because I think that's how Mimmude was written and designed and because if you look at the answers from the parents, it

323says parent was unable to describe a specific piece of curriculum for opt out but did not want to resend or then parent rescended opt out. So again, it's we've got the horse before the cart because we're not presenting the instructional content to opt out. So they don't know how to really be specific because the lesson hasn't been given to them yet. >> Yeah. So again, I mean there the there are a variety of ways in which the the curriculum in general is communicated out to families. So there certainly are opportunities. I I would I would argue that in all likelihood the the reason that there have been very limited specific optout requests is that there's not a lot in the curriculum that really runs into this concern. I mean in the in the specific case

324at hand in the Machmood case uh the district had specifically adopted LGBTQ plus themed books that were a part of their regular English curriculum or their their their you know ELA curriculum. Um and that was that was the issue at hand. We in our in our adopted curriculum don't have such books. Um and so um I I think that you know if I use that parallel and and kind of extrapolate that out and I think about the standards I think about the work that our team has done with our instructional team here to to really like consider what the what the pieces of the curriculum are that we're aware of that um that might potentially trigger opt. think I think likely it's a reflection of that fact that there really isn't a lot in the

325curriculum that might trigger an opt out. Um but again we're we're learning as we go as well. >> Right. So a followup to that and thank you Dr. Brockett. Um on September 30th a parent from Magnolia wrote specific instructional materials included sexual identity, gender ideology, transgender issues, sexual acts, DEI content and materials. And then they must have had a contact with somebody from the school to follow up and then parent rescended opt out. But then after that is when that library book was then presented. So was the parent convinced that there would be no content and then there was content. Do you see what I'm saying? Because we didn't know that the story was going to be presented. the li the librarian did a great job, but then what happened to the opt out? Like

326because they were very specific about what they didn't want, but then the letter >> Do you see where I'm going? >> Yeah. No, I see where you're going with that. And a couple things I'd say. One, I I don't know because I I didn't have that conversation with that particular parent. Um, second, I I um I don't know if that student was a fifth grade student, which is the grade level in which that library book was read. So, so those student those parents then were contacted directly with that information. Um, and and part of what we, you know, I think I think would be valuable is is again in in the spirit of that ongoing engagement and dialogue with families is that when those specific, for example, the fifth grade families, a family might have

327opted out um opted out of the specific book and they received that information, they said, "I'd like to opt out of that specific book." later on this year they'll get information about health curriculum. Um they they that I think would should require an additional contact because perhaps there's when they get that list of items that are in there or they have a chance to preview that material that that may you know to trusty Ward's point it may that that opt out request may not be relevant to all of that material. There may be specific components and aspects of that and that's where the drill down I think comes in. Again, I I don't think that we've we've perfected this process at this point, but I do think that we we need to uh we need

328to make a good faith effort to engage with families and and hopefully families are making good faith effort to engage back with us. That's that's what we ultimately want to do. >> Can I >> and um I had a followup to um when it um and a very specific example, we had a speaker tonight that um talked about God bless America and the pledge of allegiance. Would that fall under the criteria that the CDE has recommended? I I think there are some different considerations with some of the patriotic um exercises that are undertaken in schools. Um I I I'll have to follow up on that. I'm not going to I don't want to I don't want to put that put information that's in inaccurate out here, but there there are there are other court cases

329that have dealt with patriotic exercise, specifically the pledge of allegiance, for example, in schools. Um we'll have to go back and follow up on that information and and >> but he specifically, you know, referenced this case and that sort of thing. What I'm trying to get at is is that, you know, there's specific criteria as Trusty Ward has has stated >> and it um and so what I'm, you know, when we get parents that say this falls under this, yeah, >> wouldn't it be helpful to have that criteria somewhere in writing so people would know what that what that criteria is? Because when you have >> folks that are referencing the policy and we don't have specifics, >> doesn't that lead to problems? >> That's fair. That's a fair That's a fair observation. And certainly

330with with a in an instance like that we can follow up with that that parent and for example the cases dealing with pledge of allegiance have largely been free speech related issues. Um and so um and so that that is a different issue but that's not so much different from any concern that's brought to us about anything is it's help is trying to clarify like what bucket this falls in and then what the appropriate followup uh is with with the individual. >> Okay. >> Any other questions? Trusty for Beth. >> Okay. So, if we're not presenting instructional material ahead of time, say a teacher has a different perspective than perhaps a parent might have, and the teacher goes ahead and says, well, I think this content is okay. And then the parent finds out afterwards,

331are we at risk for being sued or for not following this court case? Like again this is training but if a teacher has a certain viewpoint and I again I don't think the majority of our teachers here are intentionally trying to do that but if there was a teacher who had a different viewpoint than perhaps the parent has at home and we don't know what that content is how do we handle that after the fact >> yeah there there I mean I hate to get into the what if scenarios but you know that that scenario certainly could arise whether or not we had heard from a parent about a desire to opt out is that you know a teacher might present something um in the classroom. So it it is certainly a part of our

332ongoing understanding and training. I think in my conversation with teachers, um, you know, they've certainly been sensitive to to those types of scenarios, the teachers that I've spoken with, uh, at this point in the year, and and don't want to, uh, you know, uh, run a foul of of, you know, uh, that trust with families and and put themselves or the district in a position where, um, they've, you know, they've erred on that front. So I think I what in my experience at this point teachers have been more cautious than than not. Um but again that's a part of I think our ongoing refinement is is doing some of the things that we've discussed here tonight and and and refining that down so there's greater clarity about um what issues may uh they may need

333to be aware of. >> And Dr. Brockett, I think it it goes to what um Trusty Ward was talking about with making sure that we're training teachers on on what does qualify. Yeah. And that's our responsibility as the district. >> I think that's important. followup. >> So, have any student sorry um have any students been asked to take a different class because there will be content presented in a class that would be objectionable if the parents have already signed an opt out? Have the students been then told, "Well, then you can't take this class." >> Excuse me. I think the closest example to what you're asking that I that has come up has led to a discussion around that front is um in AP classes, advanced placement classes at the high school level where there

334is a um uh there's a a prescribed curriculum and and certainly a you know a an opt out a parent initiated opt out may be relevant in an AP exam or in an AP course. However, the the district doesn't ultimately control what is on the AP exam. And so, while we can provide uh it in a in a contentspecific situation, um we can't necessarily assure a a parent or a student that specific content won't be on the on the AP exam, which is dictated by the college board. So, so that's a a situation where I know that at the high school level the the staff there has had conversations with families about that. Um certainly um we have I I I did I do recall at least one concern where the message that was received

335was that my student can't opt out of that and that's not the message that we were trying to convey. And we we worked with the the high school team in that case on that to clarify no that that the opt out is still relevant. what we what we can't account for is the actual AP exam if the student's taking the AP exam. Um so that would be that would not be under our perview. That's really under College Board's review and they have you know they have their their own procedures for how they develop those exams. >> Last one I promise >> was your a followup. Yes. >> Is it absolutely necessary? >> I think it is. >> Okay. Trusty or Beth? >> Thank you. Pull out your sleeping bags. Um, so sorry. So if the

336student wants to take the AP course and they parents say, "Well, we'll take our risk on the AP test, whatever's on that, but we still want to be notified of any content that's being taught in that AP class. Do they have the right to opt out and be given some other kind of content that would be appropriate and still take the class?" Yeah, they could still take the class. One of the things that we've really worked with families on is, you know, these conversations are about uh narrowing down what that, you know, what that opt out is because we don't want stu, none of us, parents, teachers don't want students missing a broad swath of curriculum, right? Um and so it's, you know, part of that conversation is narrowing down the specific um request, the

337specific thing that that significantly interferes with the religious development of the child. um and and gaining some clarity around exactly what that is. So yeah, the the student student in that scenario certainly could take continue to take the AP course. Um even within the AP course where I say we don't have a lot of control over that, there's there's going to be likely very limited material or content in that course that the that the parent might, you know, have objection to and then we narrow that down and work from there. >> Last word, >> we'll be quick. So I just want to be clear though just to speak to what uh trustee verbbeth was saying it's not about perspectives people can have different perspectives even in the decision it talks about you can even have

338contradicting beliefs all of that but the Mahammud in regard to Mahammud it's very specific in terms of substantial interference with religious development hostile to religious beliefs or explicitly pressure to conform considering age as well. And so those are the considerations, not if a teacher has a different perspective or you're talking about different families or things like that. Is that correct? >> That's correct. >> Jesse Seos, do you have a question? >> Uh yes. >> Thank you. >> Excuse me. the uh redacted information that we got. Um, in scanning through that, it seems like there's a pretty consistent thread of what the optouts were. Can you speak to what part of the AP test would have anything to do with those specific consistent threads that people were opting out on? >> I I I can't because

339there's like a lot of AP exams. I I think that I think the the most likely scenario I can see that's related to to some of those consistent themes that we've seen would be a a specific reading in an AP language class, for example, an AP English language class. Um that that would be likely the most specific piece that I can imagine. Um, but I I it's hard to speculate on on what and I don't and I'm not an expert on the content of all the different either. >> Yeah. >> But to be clear, Catholic high schools offer AP curriculum and they are not using any materials that are relating to the subject matter that people are opting out on. So it it it's not an issue really with the AP test. it's it's with

340specific content that it we all kind of know what we're talking about here. >> Yes, I would say it's a it's the the AP question is a little bit of a whatif scenario, but um but that, you know, we we have not yet heard and and the AP content is all out there for folks to see very, you know, you can go through the course outlines and things. Um the one that is less content specific and more skill specific is like AP language. um AP literature even is a little more content specific but um but those are those would be the ones otherwise you can see the content and and it's you know otherwise it's a little bit of a whatif scenario on what might be on an exam from year to year. >> Okay.

341May I have a motion to approve board policy 6141.2 and approve as a first reading and wave the second reading. >> So moved. I'll second discussion. >> Well, I >> trusty word. >> Um I I vote to I I am going to vote yes to move the board policy forward. However, I'm hoping that I can get consensus from my colleagues that within the AR that we that we can direct staff to include the CDE guidelines that is provided in regard to um the MAMU decision. In our current AR, we have um one sorry consideration which is the specific instructional material or lesson that substantially interferes with the family's religious beliefs and practices. However, um the CD does provide some other factors to include um that they um have provided for LEAs. There's three of them.

342So I would like that to be included um possibly >> to bring back for a second reading too. >> Um >> well and >> I don't know >> should be clear. So we are in discussion um and uh so it's it wouldn't have to come back for a second reading um because it's you're not asking for the policy you're asking for the operational piece which is the AR. So, um, what, uh, what Trusty Ward is is seeing if there's any objection to is to include the CDE guidelines, and I'm assuming that's for clarity purposes, >> correct? >> Um, to, um, uh, to add to the AR. So, are there any objections to that? >> I don't know if it's a direct objection. I'm wanting to understand the intention of adding that. Is your intention to

343make it more difficult for parents to do an opt out? Um, well, that's not what it's stating. What it's stating is the the decision that came out of Mahmood. And >> you're stating that you want to have additional qualifications placed on whether or not a parent is able to opt out on something. >> Well, these aren't these aren't my qualifications. These are what came out of the court decision and the recommendations. No, >> your intention is yes. Do you want it to be >> clear that our statement is that it's going to be you have to meet these qualifications in order to opt your child out? >> No. I want to provide parents with some clarity because clearly when we look at that opt out list, they're all over the place because they don't know

344why they're opting out. Uh Trusty Verbth even spoke to that point. So what I would like is that guidance that the CDE is is providing to also be included in the AR to give parents that clarity so they know exactly what they can and ask for to initiate that opt out and also have the potential to review the material. I think it would be more beneficial to continue with this uh the process we're already on in presenting the materials up front. I think if we are doing that, putting the horse in front of the cart instead of the way that we currently have it, then the answers I think the responses aren't really all over the place when you read what they are. They're very consistently gender, identity, and LGBTQ issues. Those are the those

345are the common thread that is in those opt outs. And so if we know that there isn't any material that is being presented that pertains to those issues, then you don't have an opt out. And it's it's simple, >> right? Trusty COC, I I understand what you're saying. However, um parents are opting out of just anything that they don't agree with. But that's not what that is about. The Mammud decision was specific to lessons, material or policy. So it's not about just anything that they just want to opt out of. It should be something that they are given the opportunity to review and to opt out of. >> That is absolutely what we're discussing. Yeah. And so I I think this is where different perspectives come into the conversation because when you are a person

346who does hold strong religious convictions, then materials being presented to your child do come across as interfering with your parental rights. And those are things I would have liked to see reflected in this document and not having it be trit. As as I stated, I I want what we do here as a board to be meaningful and for our parents to see that as a board we're supporting them if they have strongly held religious convictions, which is the standard of Mahammud, that we are considering their feelings and respecting them. and and trustee COC. I think we're kind of saying the same thing honestly because with this guidance it's saying that the LEA should determine the policies and materials required by um and I'm reading this verbatim by the way um require a mammood notice and

347opt out process right so they are providing the materials and the policy that parents can review and opt out of but and and through the training the staff can figure out what that material is and then provide it and then give that time for parents to review and opt out >> based on that. >> So I do want to I mean um uh trusty Ward has asked for um uh you know if there's objection to uh placing the CDE into the AR and directing staff to do so. So that's what we're talking about now. So um the question is are there objections? >> Are you objecting? >> I'm objecting. >> Okay. So um is anyone else objecting? Sure. Okay. So, we have two objections. Anyone else? Okay. So, um we have three that have asked

348that staff be directed to include the CDE language in the AR and that would be the procedural aspect of of implementing this policy. >> And that would mean then we'd also then be changing or would you also want the opt out language changed on our opt out form or keep the form the same? I what the request was is to direct staff to include the CDE language in the AR right and so that's um okay trusty verbth >> okay so I respect what trustee Ward is saying but I believe that we should be following the case and that's where I think we should be focusing because the Mammud versus Taylor doesn't just require notice to parents of their right to opt out. It requires notice in advance to parents of instruction which they may want

349to op opt out of. And the final sentence in the in the case says the board should be ordered to notify them in advance whenever one of the books in question or any other similar book that would be instruction is to be used in any way and to allow them to have their child excused from that instruction. And I also want to include that the F3 attorney, Matthew Vance, who we're using F3 right now, he's a partner in the LA office, came out with a statement um recently when parents say no on the opt out. and he stated, "At the least, school districts should draft and create policies that provide parents with notice of when LGBTQ plus inclusive curricula, including storybooks and other materials will be used and allow parents time to excuse their students

350from that instruction. So I think the focus should be not so much CDE as it should be on the case because this is what the law says and this is what the attorney says from F3. So I think we should change the language to in um amend the policy and follow the case because we should be notifying parents of their not just their right to opt out but requiring notice in advance of any instructional material. So, I'm I'm >> So, I not sure what you're requesting or what you're asking of the board or what. >> That's why I'm not I'm just explaining why I'm not in favor of adding the CDE information to the AR because I think we should be following the Mahmood versus >> Taylor um what it states and that final sentence

351says we are required to provide them with the instructional materials so they know what they're opting out of. And that's where I think we're missing and I've talked to Dr. Norman about this. So, I just that I would like to make another motion, but I don't know how to do that. >> Well, not well. So, if you're requesting um if [laughter] it has to do with the giving direction to staff or requesting additional information because I think you were kind of looking at that um as a potential so you could see again try to get um consensus from your colleagues and seeing um if there's more than uh two objections. So if if there's something that you want to do, now's the time. >> So now's my time. So am I making a motion to

352amend? >> It's not a motion. You're trying to get consensus to direct either direct staff or request information. >> Okay. So I would like to Where are we >> based on the policy or the AR? >> Does it matter? I can do it right now. >> No, you you we are on 13.2. >> I know we are, but I didn't know because here it says request for directions >> because we're in the this agenda item. that's on the agenda. So that way um it could be done here. >> Yeah. >> All right. So I would like to um ask my colleagues here if you would like to add um this sentence um to the policy. Um it's >> is it the policy or the AR? >> I'm talking about policy. Okay. Not AR. >> Okay.

353That's fine. >> So if you want to add it to the AR, fine. But I'm talking about policy. of all of the instructional materials for comprehens Oh, wait. Sorry. >> And where where in the policy do you want to put? >> So, I want to right here it would be this after the first sentence which ends in regulation. So, I'll read it. When required by law, the district shall notify parents guardians that they may may via written request opt their students out of instruction on the basis of their religious beliefs as specified in the accompanying administration regulation. The district, here's my add-on, the district shall notify parents/guardians of all instructional materials prior to their use in the classroom. And that's based on what this attorney said and what the Mamu versus Taylor last sentence states.

354So I just want to add that one. >> So where and I mean there's several paragraphs in the >> I just said it's the second Yeah, it's right after regulation >> and it's >> in the last paragraph. >> Okay, that was what I didn't know. I was looking at the first paragraph, not the last paragraph. Okay, >> so can you read your add-on? The add-on states, "The district shall notify parents/guardians of all instructional materials prior to their use in the classroom." >> Um, okay. Um, um, I object to that. Are there any other objections? >> As putting on my teacher hat, I I would also um object to that. I feel like what we have right here um encompasses that without um building such stringent lines that allows our teachers to um teach effectively. >>

355Okay. Are there other objections? >> I um I'm agreeing a lot with you tonight. I agree with uh Trustee Emory um on that point. So I object as well. >> Okay. There's more than two objections. So any other discussion? I think we need to be mindful that this is about the parents and and their rights as parents and to raise their children. And that's the first I've heard of her suggestion just like all of you. But I am stunned that there would be any secondguing that statement because you're literally just saying that we're going to tell parents ahead of time so that they can opt out. We're we're repeating over and over and over that that's what Mammud is saying is that that you have to provide you have to specify specific things that you

356want to opt out on which you cannot do without knowing ahead of time. and she's only requesting that we modify it. So, it's saying we're going to tell you ahead of time, so you can't opt out and you're saying no because you want you don't want to inconvenience teachers or >> Well, no. What I'm saying is that I mean the the problem is is that I don't want to go into it because we already have we already have three objections. So, we've stated our case. Is there other discussion? >> No other discussion. >> Vote accordingly. >> Yep. Um we've res Garcia, please call for a vote. Trustee Siosci, >> no. >> Trusty Verb, >> no. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes three to two.

357>> Thank you. We now move on to item 13.3, revision of board policy 6142.8. Uh, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Brian Brockett. >> Thank you, President Rawlings. Uh, board policy 6142.8. 8 comprehensive health education has also been updated based on recommendations from the California school boards association to reflect the US Supreme Court decision in Makmoud v. Taylor. The policy was updated uh to extend to students whose parents guardians have properly opted them out of instruction on the basis of their religious beliefs, the offering of an alternative activity of similar educational value and to prohibit disciplinary action, academic penalty or other sanction on the grounds that the student was opted out. Uh, it is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees review the board

358policy 6142.8 and approve as a first reading. This is the time for public comment. Have blue cards have a blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Uh, trustees, do you have any questions? >> Trusty forbeth. >> Sure. I'd like to add that same. Is it possible to add >> where questions not discussion? Is it possible to add that same sentence to the policy? That wouldn't be a question for staff. That would be a question for the board. That if you're going to amend, if you want to amend a policy that happens in discussion and for the board, that wouldn't be a something to ask staff. Is there any questions? Okay, no questions. Uh, may I have a motion to approve board policy 6142.8 and approve as a

359first reading and wave the second reading. >> Motion. I'll second. So that's a motion by trusty Ward, a second by uh Trusty Rawlings. Discussion. Trusty Verbette, did you want to make a change to the policy? Thank you. >> I'd like to make a change. Um, again, right after administration, administrative regulation, I'd like to add the sentence, the district shall notify parents/guardians of all instructional materials prior to their use in the classroom period. >> Okay. Um, I would object to that. Are there any other objections? >> I have a question of the board. Is that not a policy that we or is that not a practice we currently have as far as the the comprehensive health education? Isn't that already pre-built into >> Well, but at least for my per what I'm what I'm hearing trusty

360verb say is that all instruction which means every lesson plan every day is available to parents at all times which >> we're on comprehensive health education. But again what I'm hearing is is that all when you say all materials that's everything. So is it everything related to health >> as in you're not pres you're not retaining something and not revealing that to parents. >> It's everything related to the health to health. >> Yeah. >> Right. every single and again I I find it too restrictive and so that's why I because again I don't think >> I find we do we do make it available to parents already >> the health the comprehensive health education >> but if we already do that then why again why do we need the sentence >> that's what I'm wondering

361>> so um so again I've objected is there any other objections >> um I think it's redundant I object because I think we already do that >> okay and I've only heard two rejection or two >> object three that's already in here in in the timeline. >> Okay. So there's three. So is there um any other discussion? >> Okay. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty COC. >> I abstain. There you go. >> Good. >> Trusty Vervette. >> No. >> Trusty Emory. Yes. Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 3 to one and one abstension. >> Thank you. This is the uh we're at uh 14.1. This is the time for trustees to provide a brief report. If you've attended a committee meeting where they represented the district,

362are there any governance team reports? Trustee Emory. >> Oh, sorry. I was uh able to attend the DLOC uh committee meeting along with number of people here including trustee Ward and Dr. Norman. Um it was the first one of the year held at Carlsbad High School Library on November 5th. Um it was really informational. Um it was so great to see so many different families come out from so many different language backgrounds. there was, you know, um a Japanese family, there's Ukrainian, Russian families, there was um a Brazilian, you know, Mexican-Americans col just so many different um and it was really neat to see a new app that they were using um for the first time on the translation which was I believe called Seymour or Seymour, I don't know how that's pronounced, but it

363provided real time um translation in the home language of each of those families. So, that was really neat to see. um along with some of the um the pilots they were we talked about the pilots for the optal teachers um for teachers core that they're using for K1 for phonics and decoding they explain to families um one thing that was really neat Jefferson just keeps coming up with new ideas as they're doing crafting connection as a parent group and forming connections and bonding between some of those families which was really neat um and then uh really communicating um standards to parents and they came up with ideas of like recommended reading materials and resources and things like that that could they could support at home further. So really really beneficial, really exciting to see where

364um the committee's going for the rest of the year. >> Great. Thank you. Any other committee reports? >> Yes, trust. >> Trustee or President Rawlings and I attended the wellness committee meeting with Dr. Brockett, Dr. Nye, and uh it was um one of I think three that we're going to have this year, right? Uh Nikki Myra came and spoke and she's been um kind of holding the fort for nutritional services while we were hiring someone new since Michael Hyde left. And she came and spoke and told us about everything that's happening in our nutritional program. I think she did a very thorough job. She explained all the great work that we're doing in Carlsbad Unified um with the nutritional department. She thanked our previous director, Michael Hyde, because he expanded the district's outreach from, I

365think, from two to three farmtotable or um local farms to six to seven local farmers. Um am I getting that correct? Something like that. >> Something like that. >> Yeah. Okay. I wrote that down. So, I think it's right. Um we're working towards more scratch cooking, but that takes she said that it takes more time, it's takes more staff, and it takes more money. She reported that she recently attended this California Association Nutrition Conference in Pomona. CDE actually um a representative recognized CUSD as an outst outstanding farmtoschool district. Um and we were actually know you know recognized for that. So that's kind of cool. Um she talked about this eat real program which is a nationwide program. Um, it's also used in San Marcos Unified and um, this program is used to help analyze our

366menus and give us a grade on how healthy our menus are. And um, they provide a certificate which lasts three years. Um, and the certificate includes bronze, gold, platinum, and silver grades. And they look how healthy our menus are. Um, let's see. staff are getting trained. I thought this was impressive. Some of our staff are getting trained on their own time to build their own skills on how to prepare and provide healthy food that um we are trying to transition out of high sugary and processed foods. That's our goal. Um it's a slow process with breakfast foods in our district, but we're working on it. Um it's hard. The district lunches are doing much better with decreased sugars. Student choice is also very important as and want and we want to respect their choices um

367because they do like certain menu choices and they want to be able to eat food that they like so that they can get through their school day and be able to focus in class. Um we had three student representatives there including Dylan Stolba who was here this evening um who shared the voice of other students um giving us feedback from the student body um regarding important food options. Eric Kroni and Rick Graham also came. They focused on our recycling efforts um that we're making throughout the district. The education piece seems to be the big thing where we um educate our students on which recycle bins which go what goes in which recycle bin and we don't want to contaminate certain things. So, we're working on that and more education is needed, but we are doing

368better and the students seemed, you know, we did talk about maybe needing some more receptacles because if a student isn't near one and they just want to throw something out, they might just throw it wherever they have an option to throw it. not on the ground but in a trash can. So, Dr. Brockett um he had those of us in the room um go around the room and just uh we had an opportunity to uh comment on the different aspects of our wellness policy because there's many different aspects in it. And we're going to be meeting again two more times and kind of talking about different not just nutrition but other aspects as well, weight times and all that and physical activity. And the goal is to hopefully bring back a modified wellness policy to

369the board that you can then look at. So that's what we're working towards. Two more meetings. How'd I do? And then just to add to that, um there was um a lot of compliments from the students around our salad bar. um that seemed to be very popular. Um and I um and then um also uh there's supposed to be a survey going out relatively soon to students that we were promised that there would be an additional uh uh survey that similar to the one that went out to parents that we've reviewed last year that helped to shape our um LCAP success indicator. So we I look we look forward to receiving the outcome of that uh of that survey. >> And we can't use plastic knives. Yeah. Yeah, we were advised that as well. That

370was that was news to me. So, um any other reports? Okay. Um we now move on to 14.2. Trustee requests for information from staff. Trustes, is there any requests for information from staff that have already been discussed with the superintendent and have been recommended to bring to the board? I'm not seeing any. And then uh we move on to 14.3 trustee requests for direction to staff. This item provides trustees with an opportunity to make requests for direction for staff during the meeting. In alignment with board policy 9322, any requests for future agenda items must be submitted in writing to the superintendent. These requests will be reviewed and considered through the standard agenda planning process at this time. Do trustees have any requests for direction to staff? >> I just have a question of clarification on

371that. Do we need to make a formal request in regards to um uh looking into legal counsel and advice for the soil mitigation or is that already >> We already asked for that. That was part of our um >> making sure we didn't miss that. >> Um okay. Uh nothing there. It is 11:16 and the regular meeting is now adjourned. Our next regular meeting will take place on December 10th, 2025 at 6 PM at the Crosby Unified School District office.