CUSD Board Meeting 8-13-25

001Good evening. It's 5:00 PM and I call this meeting to order. Have any blue cards been received for close session items? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. The board will now recess to close session. It is 6 PM and the board is reconvening from close session. We're reconvening from close session. Uh in close session on a motion by Trusty Emory and a second by Trusty Verbbeth. The board voted to approve a a resignation and mutual release agreement between the district and certificated special education teacher moderate severe with a resignation effective date of December 31, 2025 by the following roll call vote. It was unanimous trusty verbethioce Emory Ward and Rawlings in close session on a motion by trustee by trustee Ward second by trustee verbath the board voted to appoint

002Emily Yamasaki as principal of Aera Oaks Elementary School effective August the 14th 2025 by the following roll call vote verbthosi Emory Ward Rawlings unanimous In close session on a motion by Trustee Ward, second by Trustee Emmery. The board voted to appoint Dr. Brian Brockett as assistant superintendent of instructional services effective August 14, 2025 by the following roll call vote. Four eyes, one no. Trusty Verbth, no. Seos, yes. Emory, yes. Trusty Ward, yes. And Rawlings, yes. Welcome members of the public, board members and staff. Thank you for attending. As noted in board bylaw 9324, this meeting is being video recorded and broadcast via a link on our website. The recording and broadcast may capture images and sounds of those attending the meeting. I'd like to remind audience members and speakers that it is not unusual for

003students and young children to be in attendance at our meetings or to watch the recorded broadcast. I invite you to model civility and decorum as we go about the business of the board this evening. While I cannot prohibit anyone from using professional language, please think about the students and adults who are watching our proceedings. We invite you to show support for a speaker by waving your fingers rather than clapping or cheering. We'll begin tonight's meeting with Trustee Seos leading us in the pledge of allegiance. Trustee Ward will read from the district vision and Miss Garcia will take the role. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, with our teachers and staff

004um starting the new school year, I just want to read that our staff members demonstrate an uncompromising commitment to student growth. They are leading scholars and experts in their field. They enthusiastically share their experience and knowledge and bring innovative ideas to their craft. Thank you. Thank you. And we will now take role. Trusty COC >> here. >> Trusty Verbette >> here. >> Trusty Emory >> here. >> Trusty Ward >> here. Trusty Rollings >> here. Thank you. We now move on to part four, approval of the agenda. Trustees, are there any questions? >> I do have a question. Uh Superintendent uh Norman, um could you um describe uh the changes in the format of the agenda and the purpose for those changes? >> Yes. Thank you, President. Thank you, President Rand. Thank you. Um, yeah, we

005decided to go through and look at the agenda and how we could highlight the accomplishments of our students and our staff. So, we're starting off with recognitions and that just allows us to highlight the incredible work that our staff does with all of our students. And so, we'll also be asking our sites to make recommendations so that we can bring our families in to hear the good work that's happening in our school district. And for those of us who are viewing at home, they can see it at home. And then I also wanted to organize the agenda so that it was really easy and clear to see where we were in the agenda going through consent when there was comment on non-aggendaized items as well as when you get to the section where there's action

006items and rather than having them all together break them up by section so that you could see where we're in instruction where we're in in business and then where we're in in personnel just to make it a little bit more clear. So that was the purpose in reorganizing the agenda. >> Thank you Dr. Norman. Um, may I have a motion to approve agenda item 4.1, approval and/or reorganization of the August 13, 2025 meeting agenda? >> So moved. Second. >> Motion by Trusty Ward. Second by Trusty Verbeth. Any discussion? I just want to say I appreciate uh you bringing the um that additional um uh organization to our agendas and I do appreciate um the opportunity to um recognize our um educators and how they're impacting our students and um and staff and as well as

007students. The hope that we had discussed is uh we'd be potentially recognizing students as well and other districts uh do this throughout the county and throughout the state. And so I really appreciate you bringing that to uh Carl'sbad. So any other discussion. Okay. And uh Miss Garcia, please call for vote. >> Trusty COC? >> Yes. >> Trusty Verbat? >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory? >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rowling, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to part five, recognition and performances. Uh 5.1 language academy recognition. The inaugural summer language academy served over 100 K through6 English learners in CUSD, enhancing English proficiency through integrated instruction in subjects like music, PE, science, technology, engineering, arts and mathematics or steam uh library and math funded

008by expanded learning opportunities program or known as ELOP and uh supported by the Carl'sb Education Foundation. The four-week program included meals, field trips, and enrichment director of director of elementary education Kim Fuentes. Teacher on special assignment or TOSSA. Uh Kim Gillian and Rob Brown along with English language specialist Anna Ramirez helped develop this summer program and together with teacher Maddie Minker designed and delivered the staff professional development. The language academy used evidence-based strategies to support student learning and concluded with a student performance and a family celebration. Thank you to Miss Fuentes and the language academy team for all your hard work on behalf of the students of Carlbad. >> Yes. And could we have Miss Fuentes uh come to the uh podium and recognize a few people? and um it was a great program and

009a fun summer for our students. I am so grateful for Carl'sbad Ed Foundation um as they partnered with us to extend the day and they offered field trips on Friday. So students had a full week of activities. I also um want to recognize a few staff members and if I could have them stand um we have some teachers, our library tech that joined us and I know we've got some watching at home. Um, but again, we couldn't do it without the wonderful staff that collaborated and from day one just bonded and um have great ideas for next summer. So, thank you so much for the recognition and I look forward for more to come. >> Thank you very much. Stand up, please. Yay. Thank you so much. Fantastic. Okay. And we're going to move on

010now to um uh part six, communications part one. Uh item 6.1, report by uh CUC PTA president. Going once, going twice. Okay. Not here. Okay. Thank you. Uh we will now move on to item 6.2 report by CEO of Carl'sb Ed Foundation. >> Hello everyone. I'm Laura Pittz, the CEO at Carl'sb Educational Foundation. Um, today is the last day of our summer adventure camp. Um, it ran all 10 weeks of summer. We, um, stopped the camp midweek to allow transition time between the CSD teachers and our kids care staff. Uh, we were at Kelly Elementary. We had, um, an average of 450 students per day at Kelly. Um, so we ran a small elementary school taking over nearly the entire campus. And that was between our half-day and our full day camps. And I wanted

011to give special recognition to the custodians at Kelly Elementary, uh, Nicole, Maria, and Terry, who worked really hard. They were great to work with. It's a lot to have our camp there all summer, and they were totally gracious, and it worked out really, really well in that location. Um, and that 450 students doesn't even include the language academy that um, uh, you were just hearing about. It was a joy to have that campus running over at Jefferson. And so, we were quite busy. Our staff is going to take Friday off and take the other days to transition to uh the school year so that they can be prepared on Tuesday to welcome our students at all nine elementary schools for kids care. Um demand continues to increase for our afterchool and before school program. We

012have just under 1100 students enrolled which is about 50 more than we had last year. Um so I do know the demand is strong and uh we're excited to welcome all of them. Two other things I wanted to share with you. One is we are embarking in a new journey in social media. We have hired a consult not a consulting firm, we've hired um a vendor to help us with our social and the point the goal of that is to really do a better job connecting particularly with our newer families coming into the district. We think social would be a good way to do that through Instagram and Facebook and a really nice way to highlight our relationship with the district. So if you're not following us, you should be. We will have an updated

013page very very soon. Um and then finally wanted to share that all of the principles have received notification for grants that will be awarded this year. Um we are awarding nearly 40 district-wide grants in addition to our secondary teacher grant program. Um in the amount there is a committed amount of $1.6 million worth of funding and again we are in um the priorities of music steam and educational innovation which means a lot of things and I'm looking forward to sharing with them on social and having you guys see them in person. So cheers to Tuesday. I can't believe it's it's time, but we're going to be ready. So, thanks. >> Thank you. We'll move on to item 6.3, report by Leuna President. I thought, okay. Um, she's not coming. Okay, thank you. We now move

014on to item 6.4. Um, thank you. Um, move on to item 6.4. Report by cuda president. Please come to the podium. You will have five minutes to speak. >> Good evening. Rachel Marino Watt. I'm the cut union president. Um Carlsbad Unified, as you have probably heard, had its first amazing new hire orientation today. We welcomed about twothirds of the new teachers to a um not mandatory, an optional new hire event. Words were escaping me at that moment. Um uh I want to celebrate this milestone as a result of the district and the union working in concert for what is best for teachers. Three years ago, Megan Arus sat in on our union hosted lunch. This was a lunch that happened on kickoff day in between breakout sessions um and hosted solely by the union. Many

015of the things we covered were leaves, the variety of programs to track your records and how to put in for a sub. Megan realized the benefit of all new teachers getting this information in a timely fashion and organized nearly every department from the DO to introduce themselves and their role. I'm proud that our mutual drive to support all teachers came together in this way. And I'm thrilled to see the talent, the energy um and and the drive from teachers, counselors, and SLPs that the district has hired. As an aside, I am excited to work with Mr. Brockett, Dr. Brock in his new role as assistant superintendent of instruction and to continue the good work we've done in past years. Thank you. >> Thank you. And we now move on to item 6.5, superintendent report. Dr.

016Andrea Norman. >> Thank you, President Rowings. I had a busy summer spending time with CUSD staff and community members. I was able to tour all of the sites and I visited the various educational programs taking place throughout the district. It was impressive to see so many students engaged in each of the programs throughout the summer months. I know that's not easy. I'm also appreciative of the staff who chose to teach in each of the programs and ensure our students receive the support and enrichment opportunities to be successful. I also participated in the measure HH oversight committee walks and had the opportunity to see our bond dollars at work. Thank you to the Carlsbad community for your ongoing support of CUSD schools and efforts to maintain safe, modern, and well-maintained facilities. You will also notice, oh,

017we already did the agenda. You will also notice in our front row, we have two dynamic young people. We have Jessica Ramirez from Sage Creek High School and we have Dylan Stolba from Carl'sbad High School. They are our board representatives, our student board representatives, and we are appreciative of you being here. Thank you so much. I had a opportunity to meet you earlier today, Dylan, and I uh really appreciate all that you do. And Jessica, I'm looking forward to getting to know you as well. Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh we now move on to part seven, public comment on non-aggenda items. Uh 7.1, public comment regarding non-aggenda items, topics that lie within the subject matter of jurisdiction of the board. This is the time that members of the public have the opportunity to

018address the board on any non-aggendaized items that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the board. And it appears we have one blue card in order to allow speakers to present their comments and ensure we are able to properly attend to the business of the board. Per board bylaw 9323, public comments will be limited to 20 minutes. This means each speaker will have three minutes. When I call your name, please come to the podium, state your name, and indicate whether or not you live within the boundaries of the school district. Our speaker is Shauna Hurst. Good evening and welcome back everybody. I almost didn't know how to get here because we haven't been here in a couple months, but I just wanted to publicly say I meant to send an email, but I didn't. I

019was going to bring it up at PAC, but a couple more parents complained to me and I heard a little bit more ruffle feathers about it. And I do appreciate the fact that you sent an email out at it this week with the residency verification requirements, but as a parent, it was really frustrating after the fact to learn that the um requirements has changed. When I went to do it, I have a very busy time. I've worked at Sage Registration twice. I was at Carl'sbad today. I'm a PTA president. I was working my hardest to get volunteers at both sites. And when I went to upload and found out that I had to do my mortgage statement, um, my first thought was I wanted to redact it, but to be honest, I have redacted documents

020in the past and they were kicked back and I had problems on residency verification even though I've lived there for over 10 years, been involved in the district for 10 years. So, I didn't redact it, but I wasn't happy about uploading the information. And I know multiple other people complained to me about it. So then I was really frustrated when I found out on Monday after the Aries portal has closed that they changed the rules and they said, "Oh yes, you in fact could upload redacted documents." And it was nowhere public. I mean, yes, it was posted, but was nowhere actually communicated in an email to parents of this change. And it really bothers me that the district was not more transparent with this change. And I know other parents don't appreciate it as well.

021And so I usually like to be up here and be you guys are awesome. Here's all the things we're doing great, but I just really feel we missed the mark on this one this year. And I don't, it's not that I don't trust the district's IT team, but I don't know who sees it. Even when you go to a school, you have at least some schools you have five to 10 admins who might or might not have access to your records. And I just don't feel that that is appropriate. And I'm honestly think I'm going to send the email next or in the next few days asking my documents to take down and put the redacted up. So as someone who really tries to support I just think there could be more transparency and it's

022Sage's benefit at 3:00 on Monday. They did have it in an email but to be honest I didn't read that far through it because I had already filled out my forms days in advance and I was not focused on it. So I just think it was a real miss. I attend all the meetings. I knew why you were asking for it. So I understood the why, but I did appreciate on how it was rolled out. It wasn't communicated. And if the rules are changed, allow all parents to make that change, just not the few parents who did it at the last minute and didn't know about that change. Thank you. >> Thank you. And Dr. Norman, will you follow up with the speaker? Thank you. We now move on to part eight, consent calendar. All

023matters listed on the consent calendar are considered by the board to be routine and will be enacted by the board in one motion. There will be no discussion on these items prior to the time the board votes on the motion unless there is a board request for one or more specific items to be removed from the consent calendar for discussion. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, are there items to be pulled for discussion? Trusty for Beth. I'd like to pull 8.9 which is um item uh award of contract for high school sport fields reconditioning project. >> I was going to pull the same one and uh may I have a motion to approve the consent calendar with the exception of item 8.9. >>

024So moved. >> Motion by Trusty COC. >> Second by Trusty Ward. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trusty COC. >> Yes. >> Trusty Verbat, >> yes. >> Trustee Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. Um, are there questions uh concerning uh item 8.9? Go ahead, Justify. >> I did um speak to Dr. Norman as well as Dr. Nye. we communicated about this. Um, first of all, I want to thank the public for bringing the issue of the field maintenance to the attention of the board and the district staff. I also want to thank the staff for all the work that they put in and being proactive and following up on the expressed concerns, for walking the fields, for developing a

025plan to preserve and maintain our fields for our students, coaches, and community families. It's very much needed and very appreciated. Um, not only will it save the district money in the long run when we keep up on the field maintenance, but it will help allocate resources in the form of district employees and funds to support field maintenance, which will hopefully offset the hours of time and donated booster dollars from dedicated parents and coaches who have sacrificed their own time and money in order to keep our field safe for our players to practice and play their sports. So, >> is there a question for you? Thank you for letting me make that statement. So, um, so I would like to, um, ask two things. I I already asked the questions. Um, can you describe, um, this

026contract, how it's, um, if it's going to be an ongoing expense in our budget? Um, is it a designated line item? That's my first question. Would you like me to stop at the first? Okay, I'll stop at that one. >> Yeah. So, um, this is a one-time expense. It's to get the fields up to a certain level, and then we have a plan in place to, uh, move forward with, u maintaining the fields at both of our high schools, all of our athletic fields moving forward. Uh, part of that plan includes some additional staff that will only be dedicated to both of our comprehensive high schools, and they'll maintain and work primarily just maintaining uh, fields. And so um that will be paid for out of unrestricted dollars as well as uh we do capture

027some money uh through um through um facility use agreements. And so we're looking into the possibility of helping pay for some of those uh additional workers um out of uh some of the dollars that we receive through facility uh use. So those would be there is a plan in place uh to maintain it. It's to have two crew members uh rotating at each of the high schools uh two days one week, three days the next and then it uh flip-flops. And the thought is that they're going to be maintaining all of our field space and um any other areas that are deemed necessary to keep all of our athletic competitions going. >> Go ahead, Trusty Emmery. uh would the two uh employees that you mentioned would they be new hires or would we be reutilizing

028someone who is already um within the district? >> So the positions are flown now and they could be from people that are from our existing staff that have a um a like or a passion to maintain fields specifically um and then we would backfill those positions um moving forward. And um when was this plan put into place? >> Uh the plan to um maintain the fields was put into place over the summer. >> And then you talked about um folks that have a passion. Will there also will there be qualifications andor uh requirements in order to fill those positions? Yes, there's um the requirements are set and they're online and they're flown with the position itself. >> And I have another one too, but is there followup on that still? Okay, it because this one's

029still followup. >> It's not a follow-up. >> Okay. Um and then um so when you talk about the plan for um for the fields, will there be an assessment done and is are those assessments part of the entire like the facility's master plan or where how do you determine when something needs to be reconditioned or replaced? Yeah, our uh director of maintenance and operations has a um assessment plan in place and really a refurbishing plan for each of our school sites and uh that includes field space. So he's got a a schedule of when fields need to be refurbished or replaced in some cases if they're astr fields as an example. Um so he really is the keeper of of that and he's working with his crew to make sure that those are maintained and

030up to sufficiency. The challenge that we had um in this case is that uh we were underst staffed in that area and maintaining those fields. It this isn't a new issue. I think there's been an issue on maintenance of our fields um for a few years now. And and so we have had some passionate volunteers that have uh worked on our baseball fields in particular, but also on our softball fields as well that have helped fill those gaps. But um it is a need and he expressed that need to me when I came on board and and and so we uh worked collaboratively to develop this plan. One more on this one. Um when the um um were the baseball fields and the softball fields at the top of the list um during that assessment

031um back in February. >> They were certainly uh a high priority. Yes. Correct. I don't know if they were at the very top of the list um but they were certainly a high priority. I the astrourf field at Carlsbad High School is another high priority. it's beyond its 10year lifespan. The difference in that is you're talking about a multi-million dollar project versus a $140,000 project. Um so there's there's a difference there. Um but as far as priorities there it was a priority. Yes. >> I'm sorry, one more. Um the wasn't isn't the football field part of the facility's master plan? Um and are and the other fields currently are not part of the facility's master plan. Correct. I'd have to check and see if Carles High is on the facility master plan or not. So,

032um, if it is, then it's it's part of that that's going to uh be refurbished, but again, Sage Creek is another one that would be on that plan as well. So, we he's got a list regardless it's identified as whether or not it's going to be covered through a bond measure or whether or not it needs to be covered through rest routine restricted maintenance or not. So, Trusty. >> My next question has to do with equitable distribution of this contract and if the Carlsbad High School baseball field um estimate of $46,000 is going to be covered by this contract tonight. >> Yes. So the in regards to um the breakdown uh the the field the types of things that are happening at the Sage Creek High School baseball field and the Carlsbad High baseball field

033are practically identical. The scope of the work um at Sage Creek is a little bit more complex and the access that they get out to that field. But yes, the the the type of work that they're doing, the laser leveling, the turf on the infield, all of that stuff is being done at at both of those sites as well as the softball fields. >> Other questions? I have a few more. And to clarify, I did submit my questions um earlier and um staff did not have time to answer the questions due to the kickoff the next um over the next two days. Um, so can you tell me what the process was that staff went through to determine that the baseball fields and softball fields would be reconditioned at this time? >> Yeah, I think

034that um part of the process was um when Miss Okonnell was here, she had met with uh a community member who had spoken out on a few occasions regarding um the conditions of those fields. After that, uh, she had follow-up meetings with our director of, uh, maintenance and operations, u, Mr. Kroni, about the reconditioning needed at that field. And then a request for a proposal went out in, uh, early June. At the end of June and early July, when I came on board, I was able to go out to each of the fields and survey the current status of those conditions along with Mr. Kroni. And it was determined that each of the fields were in need of the scope of work provided in the bid that went out. It was also determined that the

035infield turf would need to be added onto the bid at Sage Creek High School because at the time it was not included in the original scope. And so that's what led us here today. >> Other questions? I have one more. Um so in February, Su uh Susan Oonnell um in part stated that um uh that the field conditions um have been uh a part of a larger conversation around boosters, around high school athletics um and around um and around, you know, uh overall requests including um class size reduction, including um other athlet or um academic pieces And she stated at the end of that, I sent you that that piece that uh she had written a long um uh a lengthy analysis of um this request and she had said that as we as we

036uh develop the budget, this will be a part of the conversation moving forward. short term, the maintenance and operations department will work with each high school uh to provide much assistance as staffing funding is limited um funding limitations permit. But she also talks about um that the funding of athletics and other educational needs such as academics, arts, infrastructure, big picture as we work through the budget development. So my question is is what changed from February to now? Yeah, I would say that the fields continued to degrade. Um, they got to a point where there were safety issues. Um, and as we did walkthroughs, uh, we realized that the amount of service that the one and a half days that our current staff was being able to provide there uh, was not adequate and those fields

037needed to be brought up to a certain scope and then a plan needed to be implemented immediately. Once we did that, that would maintain those fields uh to a certain level moving forward. So, uh you know, they further degraded since February, we uh had some volunteers that were working on those fields that stopped working on those fields. Um and you know, it got to a point where we we really needed to step in and and create a plan uh moving forward because they would not be playable um at a certain point in time. And then um and Dr. Norman, you might be the person to answer this one. Um what do other districts do about their field maintenance and how does uh how do they um schedule and decide what takes priority over um what

038I think it's similar to what we're seeing here. I'm familiar with districts typically having a 10-year plan on anything in a district that has a lifespan. And everything has a lifespan. Your carpet, your HVAC, your paint, your fields. Uh, so you put it on a schedule the best you can, but then what happens is, life happens. Rainstorms happen, kids run over dirt, which then creates permanent damage to fields. So then you're always going out and making sure you're assessing your fields, principles are doing walks, coaches are doing walks, and then they give us feedback on what they need. Even sometimes you can replace a turf stadium and the next thing you know, it's not draining properly. So the next thing you know, you got to come in and fix the drains. So you always want

039to be monitoring at all times. You want to have the best laid plans, but then you also have to be ready. That's why often when you have your restricted routine maintenance. Um, you do allocate it, but you always need to make sure you're ready for a transformer blowing or a roof needing to be repaired. There's, you know, you think of how much you spend on a house. We're about 100 times that cost when you're at a school district. So, you do have to make sure you have room in your budget to address things as they come up. So, I absolutely agree. We need a plan and the board of course wants a plan so that we have um good decision-m when it comes to our money but then we also have to be ready to

040not react but really respond appropriately when the public has a concern. >> And that being said um will the board be provided with this plan and the schedule of um of facilities um in the near future? >> Right now uh Dr. Nye and Eric I know Eric already has all the projects but how they're organized I haven't seen yet. I know that he is a very organized person and he does have a lot of details and he knows everything about the district. So, as soon as it's available, we can share that with you. Dr. Nye, did you have anything to add to that? >> Thank you. Any other questions? Great. Can I have a motion to approve item 8.9? >> So moved. >> Second. >> We have a motion from Trusty Verbth, second from uh

041Trusty Ward. uh discussion trusty. >> Well, again, thank you. I appreciate the public coming forward and letting us know the importance of this matter, especially when it comes to safety of our athletes and um thank you staff for paying attention to this and moving this along. Appreciate it. >> Other discussion? >> Trusty Ward, >> I just want to say thank you to listening to one of our community members. Um, I think that's really important that we hear them and respond as well. So, I appreciate that and also taking a look at the fields and taking the time to do that and establishing a plan and appreciate you sharing that with us. Other discussion I do have um um I originally was going to vote no on this matter and the reason why is because um

042it shouldn't take a squeaky wheel to come to a board me meeting and then then we just react rather than having a plan having being proactive um having things on a facility's master plan such as the football fields and um instead of just um and relying on volunteers consistently to maintain the field. So I was you know and I had a lengthy conversation with Dr. Norman as far as she was able to um uh you know help to build confidence that we will have a plan because again we should have had a plan all along. Um, and if it this was at the top of the priority list, um, then it should have been taken care of instead of, um, ha somebody having to come out from the public and and tell us and and

043then, um, because there's been lots of people that have come to us saying they want lower class sizes and they want, you know, and they want other educational programs and they want certain things and if we're just reactive all the time, then we're not we are losing control over that oversight that we're elected to do. So that's why I was concerned that we didn't have a plan and that it there wasn't um uh there wasn't uh we weren't acting methodically. We were act we were being reactive and so ultimately I thought about it and I appreciate your willingness to share that plan with us um and that we can take a look and that we can have some input in that as well. So I will be voting yes um after all but um again

044it took this discussion and um and additional um information from uh Dr. Norman to get me to a yes. So, uh, any other discussion? Um, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbath, >> yes. >> Trusty Emmery, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to uh part nine, presentations. Item 9.1, governance training uh legal council F3 law presentation on procedures for running effective board meetings. Trustees, this is a discussion, an information discussion item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Norman to introduce this item. Thank you, President Rawlings, and good evening trustees. Legal counsel Brandon Land from Fagan, Freriedman, and Fulfrost, also known as F3, will present information to

045the board on parliamentary procedure. Parliament procedure provides a structured and democratic framework for conducting meetings and making group decisions. It promotes fairness, maintains order, and enhances efficiency by ensuring all members have the opportunity to participate, voice opinions, and contribute to the decision-making process. I would now like to welcome Brandon Land to the podium. Thank you. [Music] >> We do have a presentation for you. We'll go ahead and put that up for you. >> Perfect. And am I gonna operate it or I can just say next slide would be Perfect. >> We'll do. >> Good evening, Dr. Norman. Uh, good evening, Board President Rawlings and esteemed members of the board. And thank you for everyone who's here watching as well. Um, as Dr. Norman explained, this will be a short uh board governance workshop specifically dedicated

046to parliamentary procedure. Oftentimes, boards governance workshops can take a day, two days. We're not doing that here today. Um it's going to be a succinct uh workshop and informational session about the the board's um about the board's parliamentary procedure and the government's handbook that already exists. All right, we can go to the next. And so there's our there's our title slide, the the governance handbook and parliamentary procedure. All right. Um I took a screenshot of the government handbook as it exists currently is available online. Um as part of the government the governance handbook um it addresses specifically Robert's rules of order which is um if we can go to the next slide. Oh, well before we get there, um it's important that we all understand that the governance handbook um is a document that lays

047out the role of the board, the superintendent as well as um other uh parliamentary procedure that the board uses to facilitate meetings. Um the role of the board specifically is to set the vision for the district uh to hire and support the superintendent in their operation of the district. uh to provide community leadership and advocacy uh to ensure accountability um both between and among the boards and also for between and among the board members and also uh the executive staff of of of the district. Um the board itself is also a policy fiduciary. It holds a fiduciary duty uh to members of the public and that's kind of what uh these board meetings are about is to kind of have uh a place for the public to come and comment on district business and the

048board to also have questions answered about the operations of the district. Okay. So now we're looking specifically at what the board president's role is at board meetings. Um the board president is responsible for running and facilitating the board meeting. Um the board president works with the superintendent to develop and set the agenda prior to those board prior to each board meeting and the board president is responsible for assigning the pledge which I saw um here today. Sometimes it's random, sometimes it's on a on a cycling order, but that's another thing that is laid out in the handbook that the board president is responsible for. Um the board president serves as the public face of the board in in many respects. oftentimes when questions come in from the public, they they go to the president of

049the board who then uh sends those on to the superintendent or uh whichever member of district staff is appropriate to answer those questions. Um the board president also serves as the board spokesperson in many respects and all of these roles come from the governance handbook itself. Now what is the role of superintendent? Uh the superintendent is the board's chief executive officer. uh the district's educational leader. The board superintendent is someone who keeps uh the board informed of the day-to-day operations of the district as well as manages those day-to-day operations. Uh the board oftentimes has an executive cabinet that the board or that the superintendent leans on in terms of specific areas of the operation of the district. Um, the superintendent is also the liaison between staff and the board, communicating information back and forth. And

050specifically, what is the superintendent's role at board meetings? Uh, the like we said on the last slide, the superintendent is the chief executive officer. Uh, the chief executive officer is responsible for preparing and setting the agenda with the assistance of the board president. They work in concert on that according to uh the the governance handbook. The superintendent also supports the board president in facilitating and running the meetings. If the board president has any questions of uh procedure, oftentimes the superintendent will serve as the parliamentarian for uh for the district or have a legal adviser come and serve in that role as well. Uh the superintendent may at the direction of the board president follow up with a member of the public regarding their public comment which I saw happen here today. So I I think

051this board is aware of these uh of these roles, but it's important to discuss those before we get into parliamentary procedure. All right. Now, we're jumping into the governance handbook itself. And specifically in the governance handbook, I pulled the quotation that all regular meetings will follow Robert's rules of order. Um, Robert's rules of order I think are it's safe to say that Robert Robert's rules of order is a leading guide on parliamentary procedure um across the country. It's used by a lot of uh different organizations including school boards. Uh this district this district is a is a bit unique in that it's sort of formally adopted Robert's rules of order in its governance handbook. Um, oftentimes we see that Robert's rules of order is sort of a guiding principle that can be followed in terms

052of parliamentary procedure. But, um, in this district's governance handbook, it says that they it will follow Robert's rules of order. And under Robert's rules of order, I think it's important to first touch on motions because motions are really the vehicle by which business is conducted at board meetings. So, um, a motion is really just a proposal for action. Uh, motions are the foundations for making any decision, uh, in meetings governed by Robert's rules. And after being recognized by board president, any member may introduce a motion, uh, when no other motion is on the table. And I think that's important to emphasize is that motions need to be handled one by one. It's really helpful having an agenda in front of you because now we're looking at each item one at a time and it really

053makes it simple. Of course, as we've seen here today, a motion requires a second to be considered. Um, if there is no second, the matter is not considered. And each motion, each motion must be disposed of, whether passed, defeated, tabled, referred to committee, or postponed indefinitely. One of those things must happen. Um, and if it doesn't, then the motion really just sits there and it's an awkward situation. So, uh, we haven't seen that happen here today where there's a lack of second. Um, but if there is an event where a motion is defeated, then we can also touch on that as well. All right. U, a very helpful piece of the governance handbook is the the motions, deliberations, and voting piece. It kind of lays out exactly what's supposed to happen in terms of action

054items with first being the staff presentation of the action item. Second being input from the public if any. Third being a staff response and additional information if needed. Fourth being trustee questions to staff. Uh the purpose is for the trustees to get additional information from staff. Fifth is usually when the motion happens. And then sixth is when the trustee has uh the trustees have discussion and deliberation about the particular matter before them. Once that deliberation and discussion is over, as we've seen here today, the board president will ask for a vote to be had. Um and as necessary, the board president summarizes and clarifies the consensus of the board and the decision in the decision that was made. oftentimes that's not necessary because if the motion passes 50, there's really no consensus or uh additional

055clarification. Uh but as a courtesy to each trustee, I think this information is important to get across that each board member once the uh matter has been decided can state their reasons for why if they so choose. All right. Motion failure. Um, if a motion fails to receive a second, the motion is not considered. So, uh, the body will then move on to the next item of business. If a majority votes against a motion, then the motion is defeated. That's a specific action and is explained under Robert's rules. Generally, the same motion, and that's important, the same exact motion may not may not be brought back at a given meeting. However, there's an exception for a mo when a motion for consideration is placed on the table. A motion for consideration is a specific vehicle

056in a specific motion where a member of the prevailing party whether that is the uh the side that voted against something or with something whichever side prevailed is the only side that can have a motion for reconsideration. This often happens when additional information comes forward and now somebody who's on the the prevailing side wants to change their mind. Under Robert's rules of orders, rules of order, a defeated motion may be considered at a future meeting. Um, this often surprises uh members members of the board that I talk with because they think, oh, if something was defeated at last meeting, can it really be brought up again? The answer is technically yes under Robert's rules. Um, it it gives large latitude in terms of what can be brought up at a future meeting. It really has

057strict guidelines for bringing something up multiple times at the same meeting. um as a practical consideration, reintroducing the same item that's being defeated time and time again can give off a per a negative perception uh to the public that we're not moving on with with district business. Another option when we're in that sort of situation where a member of the board really wants to get their uh point across, maybe moving to amend something previously adopted would be a better option. Uh that happens all the time where something was adopted at the last meeting, but there's a slight change that needs to be made. For example, if the contract was for $4,000, but it should have been for $5,000, instead of rescending the motion or taking action to go back against that motion, you can just

058make a motion to amend something previously adopted. That's the language. Uh the original motion stays valid and now we're proposing to make a change. The motions will be once they are accepted will be read together to change the original motion. Another important uh part of Robert's rules is amending or substituting a motion. An amendment is a motion to change to add words to or omit words from an original motion. I think something like that happened at this meeting where we saw something uh in the agenda and we wanted to make a change to the agenda. There was a proposed change to the agenda which was then voted on. That that's how it works. Um an amendment cannot interrupt another speaker. There's a very limited circumstances when a speaker may be interrupted and an amendment is

059not one of those specific circumstances. When you have an amendment motion, that also must be seconded as I saw here today. The motion is debatable. Um, if the motion to be amended is debatable. So, if we're amending something that is debatable, this new motion is also debatable. The motion can be reconsidered as we just talked about at the same meeting. If someone from the prevailing side decides later on that they want to ch that they want to change their mind about what was uh what was decided, they can make a motion to reconsider on a motion to an amendment. Um the amendments require a majority vote even if the motion the underlying main motion requires a twothirds vote to be adopted. So it's easier to make an amendment to a motion than to pass certain

060motions that require twothirds vote. As a practical note again, um it's sometimes better to just substitute wholesale another motion for a motion that has been amended multiple times because we can lose kind of what the purpose of the original motion was. And I've seen in many districts where they just say, "Okay, let's forget about the amendments and let's propose a new motion that makes it more clear." I did want to talk a little bit about out of order. What What does that mean? Motions can be made out of order. Um, a motion can be ruled out of order by the board president if it is improperly made if it violates the organization's rules or bylaws. Um, if it's repetitive or conflicts with a previous decision. Let's say, for example, a member of the losing side

061wants to make a motion for reconsideration. That would be out of order because, as we talked about, only a member from the prevailing side can make a motion for reconsideration. Um, if a motion is ruled out of order, the board president must state the reason for that ruling. And that decision may be appealed by another motion. It's very complicated this Robert rules of order parliamentary procedure. But I think the basics are you make the motion, you can amend the motion, and um decisions by the board president may be appealed. That's uh called appealing the chair's decision, which we'll get to on a slide or two. A member can be out of order when they violate the rules of procedure. This includes making personal comments about other board members uh or about members of the public

062or about uh really anyone at the dis. Any member who thinks the rules are being violated may make a point of order which is not a motion but a point of order is its own vehicle um thereby calling upon the board president for a ruling and enforcement of those rules. uh the board president is responsible for making the ruling and again stating the reason for the ruling and I don't know if it's on there but this also may be appealed. When something is appealed um there will be a a motion to appeal. That motion will have to get a second and then uh there will be a vote on the specific motion whether or not the board president's decision was correct. And as we just talked about on the last slide, appealing the decision of

063the chair. Uh if a member believes the board president's decision has violated these rules, they may appeal the decision of the chair. That is the language straight out of Robert's rules. Um if passed, this motion will reverse a decision made by the chair. Again, this motion requires a second. There is uh debate between the person who is making the motion and the chair uh with the appellant who is the person who is appealing is given the first point to talk. There is only one speech by the appellant and one by the chair and uh are both in order during this debate. The motion must gain support of twothirds of the body to reverse the chair's decision. So it is one of those higher standard motions consensus decision-making. When I was going through um the governance

064handbook, I saw in a couple spots there was a um a reference to consensus. Typically consensus and Robert's rules are apart from one another. There is not really a consensus process under Robert's rules. Um consensus decision- making is um where all board members agree unan unanimously on a decision and it's just a quicker and more efficient process rather than going through the motion uh second amendment vote process. Um, it really is a a more efficient vehicle, but it's not one that's typically used alongside of Robert's rules. There is something under Robert's rules called unanimous consent voting, and that is a parallel to consensus decision-making. And importantly, I think that's what's been adopted by many school districts in their consent calendar. um for both consensus decision-making and for the consent calendar and under Robert's rules, the

065unanimous consent voting. These are all situations where uh debate isn't anticipated. We think that everyone's on the same page and it's really not for contentious items. So, if we look at the the board's process as it exists, unanimous consent process under Robert's rules really is applied in the form of the consent calendar. And that's where a single motion addresses several items. I know that was a lot to take in in uh 15 minutes or so, but if anyone has any specific questions, I'm happy to answer those now. >> Questions? Trusty Emmery. >> Um so say there is a motion on the table and you um someone makes an amendment. The focus of the discussion or the discussion then should be on that amendment. What happens if then there is a different member who would like

066to make a different amendment? How would that >> procedure follow? >> Once the So there's a process by which there's something called the main motion. The main motion um has the lowest priority in terms of once an amendment is made. Once an amendment is made, then that motion is now being considered. Um we're looking at the amendment motion. If there is another amendment to the amendment, not all boards uh give latitude to do that. Sometimes it's just one amendment at a time, but um if there is a second amendment, you talk about the most recent amendment first. If that amendment fails or passes, then it addresses the the amendment underneath it. And then you if that amendment is no longer available, then we go down to the main motion. So, it's always the most recent

067in time. The one that was made the most recently is the one that is addressed first. As a followup to that question, at what point is it appropriate for a trustee to ask to make an amendment when you're in a discussion on the main motion? >> Yes. Um, the way that it works is asking for recognition from the board from the board president to make that amendment. um making that statement clear and then the board president granting um any member of the board the ability or essentially granting the floor to that board member. Once the board member has the floor, they can make the amendment at that time. So at any point during the discussion >> just uh along with that then if we're getting into amendment amendment is that the point in time you

068would say that just a new motion would probably be better utilized. I typically recommend once we get above one one amendment to the motion, it almost always is better to just substitute a new motion and that that can happen during that period as well. >> Do you need a vote prior to that on that amendment before >> on the amendment itself? >> Yes. So, if the motion for the amendment is still on the table, that needs to be resolved before we move to something else. >> Got it. Thank you. >> Okay. I have I have a followup to that. Um, so because this is different than what I recall as far as um that if a motion's on the floor, then that motion would would need to fail and then a new motion could be

069introduced. Is that still accurate or how does that work? >> So that that is accurate in terms of if the main motion is still alive, that motion needs to be dealt with, but that is not true with respect to amendments. with amendments. Amendments take priority over the main motion. If a new motion is coming in, the mo main motion on the floor needs to be resolved first. >> So just to clarify, so it would still be appropriate that if the main motion fails, >> correct? >> And then a new motion a new motion could still be introduced to deal with that particular agenda item. Correct. >> Correct. And as the board president, if a new motion is made, you can uh direct the trustees that we have a motion on the on the floor. Um

070the amendment failed. we need to resolve the motion on the floor and once the motion on the floor is denied and someone else wants to have a have a new motion they can make it at that time. >> Okay. Um I think this one's a follow-up too. Did you have a follow-up as well? >> Okay. >> Um so you had also talked about um uh reconsideration. >> Correct. Does it h does that have to be done within the same agenda item or could I wait until towards the end of the meeting before it's closed to say oh you know what I'd like to make a different motion about an about agenda item that happened two hours ago >> question I believe and I can check on this that it can be h it can happen

071at any time and um it can happen at any time during the same meeting um the reason for that is it often happens way later once let's say three or four other items items happen and new information is brought to light during those items that wasn't expected or available during the original item. That's typically when it happens. >> And just one last follow up on that. Um then it just has to be um it has to be part of the agenda. So it can't be a motion that deals with something different. It has to be part of whatever was on the agenda initially. Correct. >> So it has to be a reconsideration of an item on the agenda. >> Other question >> action of an item on the agenda. >> Okay. Other questions? Just beth.

072>> Who's in charge of enforcing Robert's rules during the meeting? >> Sure. Um, in in large respect, the board president is the the face of um the parliamentary procedure and is in charge of enforcing those rules, at least in the first instance. Um, the board president is the one who's in charge of calling to order um with either the gavl or um whatever procedure is used. I know we don't do clapping in this district and we do the fingers. I don't know if that is also um for the parliamentary procedure, but whatever that procedure is, it is the board president's first opportunity to call something into order. However, if any member of the board feels that um that something is out of order, then they can raise I believe it's called a point of order

073um to the board president who will then rule on that point of order. So let's say for example um you ha you had a concern that something going on was out of order. You would raise a point of order. And this is one of the few instances that can interrupt people while they're talking. A point of order is um takes precedent over pretty much everything else. And a point of order you would get recogniz you would say point of order. The board president would recognize you. You would state what you believed the violation is. the board president would rule on that uh item and then it can be appealed after that. Does that make sense? Every member of the board is responsible for um for Robert's rules and and and their enforcement, but it is

074the board present who is the vehicle by which that is challenged and and ruled on. >> Follow up on that. >> Sure. Um is it appropriate for the superintendent as parliamentarian of the board um to also assist in this? >> Absolutely. And um my understanding is in this district the superintendent is the secretary of the board and the parliamentarian. And at in that role um as the parliamentarian it's almost separate and apart from the board president and the board members engaging um in in dialogue and discussion. uh the parliamentarian whether it is the superintendent or legal counsel can be referred to um and if there's a point of order it can also be directed towards the the parliamentarian. >> I have a followup on that. Um if a member is called out of order um

075what how does the board president or how can the board president enforce that? >> Sure. So once the call to order has been made, um the board president must state the reasons for uh for that determination. It's essentially a ruling without there being a point of order. It's it's the the board the board president just making that ruling. Um once that happens, it it should be enforced just by the board president making that um that call to order. If anyone disagrees with that, then they can um appeal the chair's decision at which point there is the motion the second and then discussion and deliberation on that as well. >> What if the member continues um with their line of questioning, let's say? >> Sure. And I think this kind of gets a little bit outside

076of um what we've been talking about because I like to have a a separate section when we have a full governance workshop about kind of respect and uh treating one another, how you'd want to be treated, all that all those sorts of things. When there is a situation where Robert's rules are not being uh followed, it really is the the board president's discretion that is followed in that instance. Um if the motion if there hasn't been a point of order or an appeal to the chair then the board president's essentially authority carries in that matter. >> And so one more follow what are what are options? I mean could you call for a break? Could you expel the member? Could you um you know stop them from answering questions? What are >> the options? Um

077I don't have those prepared and in front of me but there are options such as recess uh taking breaks. um expulsion really is a last resort sort of thing and it's something that requires I think a majority of the rest I forget what the exact number is but it's not something that can be do done unilaterally. >> Can you bring that information back when you get >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Other questions >> trusty Ward. >> Thank you. >> Can you go to slide 11? I just want to make sure I fully understand um this um actually go back one more >> back um I'm sorry forward. I don't know which one it was. I thought it was 11. I thought I was looking at the right numbers. Okay. Um, so when a motion fails >>

078and there's no amendment to that motion, you could do a motion of reconsideration. >> Yes. >> Which is essentially a new motion, but it's about that same motion that had failed. >> So I I want to be clear, okay, a motion for reconsideration is not the same thing as making another motion about the particular item. That can be done. >> That can be done. Okay. >> Um, when that happens, it's it depends on the circumstance. For example, if we're talking about approval of a contract, it's a specific item and the motion is made and defeated. Yes. There's really no way to change that or to make another motion. Okay. That wouldn't be repeating the same motion. >> However, there's certain circumstances for me, I do a lot of California Voting Rights Act uh work for

079boards, uh, transitions to by trustee area election systems. Um, in those sort of circumstances, there's a motion to adopt a particular map, but there's four different maps. In those certain in those situations, if there's multiple options and a motion is made and defeated, then oftentimes the board president will say, "Do I have any other motions on this item?" >> In that scenario, then there will be another motion for now map B or map C or map D. Okay? >> And it goes through the same process. Okay? Motion for reconsideration is when there's been a let's say that contract the contract is voted down and it's been decided we're now later in the meeting. If something comes up that makes a member of the prevailing side reconsider want to reconsider. Oh, I see. They make the

080motion to reconsider. Does that make sense? >> Oh, okay. To change their vote, >> correct >> on that motion. >> The the rule is that you can't make the same motion twice at at the same meeting unless there is reconsideration. But if it's a different motion on the same item, that's possible. Okay. Okay. Okay. >> Other questions? I do have one. Trusty Emry, >> can you I need it one more time. >> When the motions and you make an amendment, >> the amend when you're calling for the vote, it's with the >> it's to approve the amendment to the motion. So then you would still need to go back and vote on the motion with the amendment. >> Correct. So you would if there's a motion and you make an amendment and that amendment fails,

081you can still make another amendment and then that one in the previous motion would be okay. >> Got it. >> Okay. >> It's hard to conceptualize without having it in front. >> Okay. >> And and just to follow up on that, um is that determined by the president when there's been enough amendments to say, "Okay, we're going to let's fail this one out and start a new and is that determined by the president >> in general?" Yes. Um I know there are other vehicles um in terms of calling the question which is sort of an end to debate. Um that requires twothirds is non-debatable. Um there's a whole host of options when a a board member wants to call to the call a question. Um that's another vehicle by which that can be done. >>

082Other questions? I still have some too. Um Trusty Ward >> I was turning it off. Um, so the the you mentioned the consensus section in our board handbook that doesn't really follow the Robert's rules of order, but it's mostly for like the consent calendar where we all are going to have consensus on it. So would that recommendation be to change that? My recommendation would be to change the the words in the governance handbook, okay, from consensus unless that is something that the board wants to do and change following Robert's rules in all instances. Um what what I typically say is if this is something that is a formal action, if that is this is something that would be in the the minutes of the meeting, um it really should be if we're following Robert's rules

083by motion, not consensus. >> I have a followup to that. So in our handbook we we make the distinction between a roll call vote which would be a formal action and a consensus. And what we've done in the past is that's because um not one board member as an individual can direct staff or request information or that sort of thing that it would need to be um at least three board members to say yes this is what we want to do. So, how would you recommend that like we do it with like if we want we want during governance requests if we want requests for information? I think you heard it tonight even though the um the superintendent already said yes, we're going to provide those reports. So, there wasn't a need for a request

084to get at least a majority of the board to say yes, this we want this information to be brought to the board. So, how do we do that? I think that's one of the instances and this might be what the what the governance handbook is referring to, but just an informal discussion for things that aren't action items or things that aren't being formally considered by vote. You can still talk to one another and say, "Is that something that we'd be agreeable to?" Yes. Without specifically having the full motion process. If you want to be clear, you can always make a motion to I make a motion that this uh staff be directed to and and follow with the motion procedure. It's not required in all instances, but for specific action items, it is. >> Okay.

085I have a followup to that one then. So, um, if we're direct if we're saying that we want to direct staff to um, uh, to take a particular action. Um, and that action was not publicly noticed. >> Okay. >> Can that still be a motion? >> I I I get what you're saying. Um, what I would do in what I recommend that boards do is the board president take um that recommendation or there be a a point of order made from uh one of the other members of the board and then the board president asks if there's any objections to that. I think that's the best way to do it because now we have something that when we're doing this, we think that everybody's on the same page anyways and then the board president would

086I I plan to direct staff to do XYZ. Are there any objections? If there are objections, then this really shouldn't be something done by consensus anyways. >> Can the can at least um if there's at least three board members that say yes, we want this, can that still move forward? I would say that in that situation, it's not we're not in the realm of consensus anymore because this is now looking more like something that should be brought forward for a formal motion, should be noticed for the next meeting or a meeting down the line. >> Okay. So, that's the point. So, if if there's a >> um so if we're going to direct staff, we wouldn't do it that way, but we want an agenda item on the next agenda. >> Sure. >> Then, can

087we still do the no objection piece? And if there's at least three that then that would go on the agenda or a request for information to because one of the things is that let's say there's a board there's a board member that wants staff to do a lot of work to get to produce a particular report. Let's say one board member can't direct staff to do that. So how would we how would we do that to make sure because right now what we do is we say are there any objections to this or that and sometimes there are objections sometimes there aren't and but we still want the information if there's a majority. So how do we do that? >> Yeah my recommendation would be if there are objections then um either put that forward

088onto a different agenda or just have a formal notion on that specific um that specific matter. So, it could be it could go on an agenda if there was three or if there the information could be provided if there's at least three. I >> I think I'd have to get more information about that before answering that question. My understanding is >> especially under Robert's rules of order, >> it needs to be unanimous consent. That's that's the language in Robert's rules. >> Trust. >> Thank you. Um, when does the president have the ability to rule a question out of order? >> Let me make sure I understand that. So, the board president has the authority to make that call. Um, it's called suisonte on their own. In terms of if the board uh president thinks that

089something is out of order, they can make that call. In which case, if that uh call is made, the person or anyone else can uh appeal that decision, which now brings us back into the motion process approval. seconds and approvals. Um if another member of the board thinks the same thing that is happening um either by the board president or someone else, then that's when they do the point of order, get the spotlight on them. They take the floor and state the same thing. It goes back to the board president who makes that ruling. Essentially, the board president can make that ruling on their own or it can be brought to them by a member of the board through a point of order. Beth, >> are trustees allowed to ask as many questions as they

090want to of staff? >> Robert's rules doesn't have any uh limits in terms of how many questions can be asked. I think there was a back and forth today where there were a lot of questions. That's typical. Um the goal of parliamentary procedure and what's happening at the deis is to get as much information as possible for the board to be able to make a decision. Um the board president does have some latitude in terms of uh the timing and the schedule of the of the meeting. Uh but that really should be reserved for situations where we're now on question 100, not really when there is a legitimate back and forth for more information or when there are repeated questions that have already been answered. That's another reason. >> So a followup to that. So

091if a question hasn't been repeated but maybe if been asked at a you know a previous day of the staff and the board trustee wants to ask the the question in public is that okay? >> That's generally permissible. >> Thank you. >> In that same vein the um the board handbook is basically our bylaws. Correct. >> So the board handbook and the bylaws are separate documents. Um, but the board handbook is a binding document in the same way that bylaws are. They are two different things, but they have essentially the same effect. >> And then aren't the isn't the board handbook um enforced through Robert's rules of order or the bylaws enforced through Robert's rules of order? >> I I may not understand the question. Uh, Robert's rules of order are incorporated and placed on

092the board through the governance handbook. Okay. So my question is is that if we're you know we're running a meeting and it says that we're going to do XYZ >> and that XYZ doesn't happen and the president says that you're out of order or point of order is called >> is that appropriate then because you're saying that this is this is what it says in the governance handbook. So this is my rationale and this is why um there's a point of order or an out of order. That's typically how the process works. Uh what I would say is that Robert's rules and kind of the commenters on Robert's rules caution the statement you are out of order. They kind of um want it to be in the second person of this action was out of

093order for XYZ reason. Um oftentimes you are out of order can come across as an attack or personal. Um so that's at least the commenters's perspective on that. But yes, if as the board president you feel that there is uh conduct or action that is out of order, then that you can make that call to order, there can be an appeal and that's how the process works. >> But based on the handbook, let's say, >> yeah, that can be your rationale for why. That's so the document here >> there's a point of order or out of order situation and then the responsibility of the of the party taking the action would be to appeal or stop the action and do something different. Correct. Okay. >> That's how it works. >> Another question too but go

094ahead. Trusty. >> Yep. Go ahead. >> Okay. Um just to go back to something you mentioned fairly early on. Uh you have mentioned and I'd seen this in other boards but it we've done it differently. So what is the recommendation for giving your reasons? Would it be before the vote passes as to why or after the vote passes to explain? >> I think the the option should be there for either. Okay. Um whether you want to do that in discussion and deliberation or after the fact. It really is up to district practice. Whatever the district typically and board typically does, that's that's how it usually works. >> Okay. I'm not sure I understood your question. could you? >> So often times um you'll see that uh trustees won't give their rationale for the vote until

095after because they want to base their vote on the information, not on the influence of others on the board and why they'll be voting. And so um you know we've seen it both ways and he had mentioned that usually the rationale for the vote was given after the vote, not before as to why you will be voting a certain way. And so I just wanted to clarify if there was one that was um >> Okay, then I have a followup on that because um uh my understanding is once the item's closed, you're not talking about it anymore and that that that would be a problem >> that that that then you would be I think that action would be out of order. I would I would consider >> under Robert's rules. I think that's correct.

096But as the governance handbook and if we take a look at a t here and this could be my misunderstanding of of the language but if we can pull up I'm looking. Yeah. >> Yeah. So number nine says on 8.9 as a courtesy to each trustee respects the right of other trustees to vote yes or no or to abstain on an issue but everyone commits to explain the reason um for the yes no vote or the abstension during deliberation. So during the but that is as number nine. So it would so it reads as at the bottom but because it's during the deliberations actually part of number six correct which says trustee discussion and deliberation okay >> yeah discuss >> that may have been my misreading as well in that it was nine >> because

097I right because discussion and deliberation are the same for right so it's it that that's when we can have discussion and make statements and all those types of things um right that you can share and that's when you would share >> how you because once If it's closed, you can't talk about it anymore. Correct. >> That's that's how it typically works. Yes. >> Okay. I had another question. Um so, um >> Unless there's a reconsideration, which uh that's that's a new one for me. U as far as how that operates. Um so um if we were to amend our handbook to say um that the um and maybe we don't call it consensus, maybe we talk about directing staff that there needs to be at least a majority of the board to um ask for

098an agenda item or additional information. Would we need to word it to say that this is outside of Robert's rules in order to continue that practice? >> I don't I don't think that's necessarily how you'd have to word it, but that that might be something that we can work with um the superintendent board president on in terms of how and how we would recommend each of those uh different changes to the governance handbook would actually look. >> Okay. And I had one more. Anyone else? Okay. Um, we've had a few like I guess norms or practices that we've had um as a board. Um, can the board president call those actions out of order? >> Um, I'm not sure I understand. If you might want to give like a hypothetical or when are you saying

099that and I know in the the governance handbook there are norms and expected um expectations of board members and of I think either the superintendent or executive staff. I don't remember exactly what it says, but are you asking if you believe um actions are being taken outside of that, then you could do an a call to order for that? Is that what you're asking? >> Yeah. I mean, um like we've all agreed about certain conduct >> and that if that conduct isn't being followed, would that be would that be a called um a call to order? I think that >> or I guess it would say like the two board members are talking while um another board member is talking. Let's say that would that be a a call to order a point of order.

100>> I think even outside of uh what the govern governance handbook says I think in Robert's rules interruptions are for very limited circumstances and if two people are talking while someone else has the floor that would be out of work. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Follow question. Yeah. So I just want to the consensus um topic because you also mentioned that you know if we agree on some things we could say yeah do we have a shared agreement? Right. >> Any objections? >> Right. Right. That's fine. Okay. So on because I'm looking in the board handbook and I don't see the actual verbiage that says consensus. Did you find that somewhere? >> I saw a couple things and I think it was >> because I think number nine is kind of the idea of Mhm.

101>> But um it doesn't use the word consensus but kind of speaks to what you were saying in regard to yeah if we have a shared understanding. So would this would this um be okay under Robert's >> I think that this might have been what used to be consensus and now shar shared understanding might be the word that's being used here to avoid consensus. But I think this is exactly what we talked about. I don't and I I'm going to follow up with if three say yes and two say no, can we still have the shared understanding? My understanding at least at this point is that this sort of thing is reserved for when there are no objections. >> Okay. >> And then if there are objections then we really should be having a formal

102motion debate discussion deliberation vote on certain things. >> Okay. So, following up on that, if um uh so I could make a motion to ask that an agenda item be placed on a future agenda. >> I think that's >> and then get a second and then we could have we could still have discussion then. >> Yes. >> Because we were advised that we can't have discussion on that kind of thing. like like let's say I want to I don't know I want an agenda item um that uh I don't know um let's say I want full day I would like full day kindergarten on the agenda because that was something that we that we did um earlier and if I get a second for that how do we discuss it without it being publicly noticed

103>> we're kind of running into two different issues here so why don't we just pocket this one and I'll get an answer back to the superintendent that'll share with the board about how this process should be done. Does that >> you think that'll be helpful? >> Yeah. What if I have a board request tonight? How do I how do I uh deal with that? >> Understood. Um what I would say is if there is a request, if there are objections, then I would just put that off until we have an answer from legal on how to deal with that. >> Okay. And so just last question on that. Um uh so if I'm in an agenda, let's say we're kind of like what we did tonight where we talked about the athletic fields and that

104sort of thing and if I if the superintendent didn't say yes, we're going to do this report and we're going to get it to the board. So if I want to make a request for that information, I could do it within the agenda item. Correct. >> I think I think that would >> because then you can discuss >> rules. I think that would be within the rules and less >> questionable than if it's something outside the agenda >> that's not on the agenda. Okay. So if it's within the agenda and you're having the conversation, you could and so it would be appropriate to have a motion during that would it or no? >> If the consensus or shared understanding um we try to go through that process and it doesn't seem like the board has

105a shared understanding then my recommendation would be to have a motion. >> So I could make a motion while we're in discussion. That's not a motion to approve the agenda item. Is that how to do it? Okay. >> Okay. I think that that would be the way to do it. >> Okay. So, um uh so I'm I I have a motion or um that we have an item on the agenda that you know is for fields for the the maintenance the baseball fields and that's what we're being asked to approve. But while in discussion, there could be a motion to direct staff to bring forward a report on those fields and that it would require a a first, a second, and discussion and or questions, discussion, and a vote on that motion. and then you

106could vote to approve the the original motion. Is that accurate? >> And I think that we're we might be confusing the whole process and in the procedure. So what I would say is in these situations, I'd say 90% of the time that I've seen it. If it's a request for information, does anyone have objections with getting more information? 90% of the time, nobody has an issue with that. If we're in now a situation where somebody or two members of the board have an issue with getting more information, I'm not certain how that works. I think that having a motion would make it now a more formal action and a formal direction to staff, but I want to reserve and say I'd like to have more information and provide that to the superintendent who will then

107inform the >> So when you're researching it, it there's two different things. So, it's a motion about something that's not on the agenda at all and then a motion within an agenda item that has that is on the agenda. So, how those two things are >> experience. I haven't seen that happen. So, that's I think why I'm not prepared. >> Say that again. >> So, okay. So if if the item is not on the agenda. >> Um so if baseball fields were not on the agenda um then that was my first question that if that item was not on the agenda, how do we direct staff to provide information? Um and then um what I'm saying is is that because that item was on the agenda, could you make a motion before you approve the

108actual item itself? So, and because we've done it to where are there objections to getting more information and um we've done it to where that there's if there's three then we can proceed with getting that information. But what I'm hearing you say unless it's unanimous >> that there needs to be another mechanism to do that within an agenda item that the topic is we can discuss it and an other item where it's not on the agenda and we can't discuss it. Right? So I'm asking for two different >> I think the conflict that we're running into is sort of this shared understanding or consensus and also Robert's rules that doesn't really take that into account. >> Right. >> Okay. >> It's almost a blending of two different ways of deci for decision- making >> that

109are making it difficult to answer that. >> So can I follow up? >> Yes. So trusty word was first. So, um, just to follow up, so to keep it clean, we would just want to resolve that motion and then make another motion. >> That's how it works. If >> in regard to that particular issue and that would be okay. >> Yes, that that's how I would see it. >> Okay. And that would be the best most cleanest way to do it. >> Correct. >> Okay. I thought you were going to get back to us before you. Okay. >> That's my understanding as I sit here today and with a stipulation that I'm going to research and provide that to us. >> Right. So, it's a depends answer. So, I want to make sure that we're

110not relying on it as gospel. >> Okay. Trusty. >> Just along those same lines, are there other circumstances where you would ever have emotion within a motion? >> That typically does not happen. Okay. But this is a weird circumstance in which there is a outside decision-m process outside of Robert's rules with now within the structure of Robert's rules. So I want to do some research on how that would all play out. >> Okay. >> Trusty forth. >> Would you recommend that we rewrite number nine in our governance handbook? >> Yeah, >> I think I'm going to make some recommendations uh to the superintendent about a lot of items and I'll take a look at this one as well. >> I have a question. >> Just what? So, um, a you kind of touched on this

111briefly, but can you, um, share what it means when you, um, lay on the table a motion? >> Are you talking about calling the >> because I Well, because I'm trying to do my own reading on Robert's roles, but there's a lot of like different information I feel like sometimes and it's confusing. But um like if you lay if you table an item and they and for some reason they call it lay on the table um an item a motion >> then can >> talk about tableabling now. >> Yes. Okay. So can you come back to So is is that like on there forever until the next meeting or can you pull it off within that meeting? Like if your request, let's say you don't have enough information for a motion and one of our

112members says, you know what, I want this tabled. I make a motion to table this motion until we get more information. >> Can they do that? And when would you take it off? Like when does it come back? What? >> Gotcha. So tableabling has its own set of rules. And I'm sure if you've been looking into it, tableabling is actually a confusing process. Um >> tableabling is the mechanism by which to remove um the motion and the item from discussion at the present board meeting. >> Okay, >> that's what tableabling means. Means that we're tableabling this. We're not going to talk about it. An important aspect of tableabling is that that's not debatable. It's an immediate motion that happens. I'm saying I want to table this discussion for whatever reason. We now have a vote

113on that specific motion. The motion to table. If the motion passes, then that item we're done with it for today. It's it's now tabled >> for the entire meeting. >> Yes, it's tabled. >> Okay. And then you don't have to give a reason for tableabling. So I don't have to say I want more information, so I'm going to table this. >> You can give a reason. You don't have to. They're more they're more persuasive when there's a good reason for for >> table. Okay. CC. So following up on that, if using the example of the fields, if if we were discussing the fields and then someone made a request to have more information, then that would be a scenario where someone might want to make a motion to table correct that giving us time to

114get the information about the fields from staff and then would it automatically go onto the following >> uh board meeting agenda? Yeah, my understanding is that that's how the process works. >> I think there's a time like three consecutive meetings >> like you can't do it more than three consecutive meetings. I think that's that's the language from Robert's rules. >> So meaning that it has to come back within three meetings. >> Correct. >> That okay. Um and then um uh so could an item be tabled? I think this is what trustee Ward was getting at. So, if an item's tabled and let's say during another agenda item, staff provides some information that's like, "Oh, I don't know if I want to have that tabled anymore." Could would that be a motion to reconsider the item

115that was tabled? >> It's a good question. I didn't prepare for this one. >> No problem. >> She brought it up. >> This might be question number two that I'm going to have to research. Very good. >> I did read that you can reconsider within that meeting and bring it back within that meeting. >> I think so, too, but I wasn't sure when he say that. Okay. I I think that's probably right. But >> that would be a motion that is then a motion that is tabled and then a tabled motion being reconsidered. >> I'll I'll I'll get back to you. >> And just to follow up, so you're in a motion, then you're making another motion to table that motion. So you're making a motion in a motion. >> Yes. But tableabling is has

116its own thing. It's its own thing. It's its own monster. I call it >> trusty orth >> calling the question was mentioned. Could you explain that please and how it's >> that is the process by which um any board member ends the debate that is currently happening. Um let's say we're in the discussion phase. We're talking about um an an action item. If somebody feels that we we've been talking about this long enough, I want to um to have this brought forward. That is what um calling I think it's calling the question um that requires it's a specific motion. The motion is now um in front of the board and it requires twothirds. Let me just just make sure one second. Yes, this is uh calling the question requires twothirds vote. It's not debatable and

117it's not a unilateral action. It's one that is is brought by motion and required twothirds vote. >> Does that make sense? >> I just wanted to confirm before I said that. >> So, thank you. So, to follow up on that, so we're having this long discussion on baseball fields, whatever. Well, you just use that. >> So, it's just going on and on and on and I decide, what do I say? Call to question. >> I would like to call to question. That's what I say. >> Yeah. I can look exactly what the what the word is but yes >> I would like to call the question. >> Yes. >> And then that would stop the discussion and then >> um the president would then call on a vote. >> Yes. >> Okay. And it would

118be for us four two/3 is >> yes it would have to be two/3s. Correct. >> Correct. >> That is four. And then is there a second to the call the question? >> Let me see. I Yes. Requires a second. So, it's a call the question. Do I have a second? Correct. There's a second. >> And then do you have discussion about why we're calling the question? >> No, it's not debatable. >> Not debatable. And then and then it needs to be uh and then the president calls for the vote at that point. Correct. Okay. Very good. >> All right. >> Other questions? Let me see here. Um I thought I had one. Oh, no. Um other questions? Anyone else? Okay, I'm not seeing any more questions. Um, this is the time for public comment. Have

119any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. Um, uh, trustees, do we, um, uh, do we have discussion? Trusty forbeth. >> Well, I'd like to say thank you for coming, of course. >> And, um, we have a lot to learn as a board. We're new to this. So, um, I welcome any feedback that you have and you can come watch us anytime. >> Happy to do so. And from what I've seen, this was a ve very well-run meeting by a knowledgeable board. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you. And then, um, I did actually have some, uh, parliamentary procedure little booklets. Um, and it does have, and I wanted to share them. And if you could share one to for the public as well. Um, and it does have

120in the middle, let me find it here. It does have an at a glance in the middle here. So it it kind of says, you know, motion second, you know, how many it takes, that sort of thing. And so it's a little easier to to read and it's um and it to me it simplifies uh the parliamentary procedure. So um I just wanted to share that with everyone. So there would be a quick reference point and something that um the in order to simplify since we've obviously agree it's a complicated topic. So I wanted to share that with everyone. Okay. Um any other discussion? No discussion then we will move on. Um, thank you. And we now move on to part 10. Thank you so much for your presentation. Um, business services, uh, 10.1, appointment

121of independent oversight committee member for measure HH bond program trustees. This is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Rob Nye. >> Thank you, President Rawlings, trustees, and Dr. Norman. Uh, in 2018, voters approved a $265 million measure HH bond and the board established an independent oversight committee or IOC in 2019 to ensure proper use of funds. At this time, staff recommends the appointment of Miss Gibson to the OC. Miss Gibson is an active parent in the district with children attending Calaver Hills Middle School and Sage Creek High School. She has served on the parent superintendent advisory council and has volunteered with the Aua Hadianda Lagoon Foundation and Meals on Wheels. She is also a graduate of the Carlsbad Citizen Academy. If approved, Miss Gibson will formally begin her service

122on the IOC in October of 2025. IOC members uh may serve up to up to two three-year terms. And I'll turn it back over to President Rollins. Thank you. Uh this is time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? No. >> No questions. I may have a motion to appoint Margaret Gibson to the independent oversight committee for a two-year term effective October 29, 2025 through October 28, 2027 as the parent guardian. >> So moved. >> Second. Moved by Trustee Emory. Seconded by Trusty Rebecc I'm not sure if she's here but uh is she here? No. Um if you're out there, thank you for your service. We truly appreciate uh your willingness to serve. Uh any other

123discussion? Okay. Uh Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty COC? >> Yes. >> Trusty Rebette? >> Yes. >> Trusty Emmery? >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward? >> Yes. >> Trusty Rawlings? >> Yes. Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 10.2, authorizing a preliminary guaranteed maximum price execution and delivery of a site lease subleasase construction services agreement and other acts relating to the district's Bueno Vista Elementary School modernization project phase one. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Nine. >> Thank you again, President Rawlings. Uh we are excited to present the final guaranteed maximum price for both increment one and increment 2 at Buenov Vista Elementary School this evening. The project has been years in the making and our construction

124teams are eager and ready to get started. We recently received DSAA approval for increment one which includes the modernization of the existing campus upgrades for low voltage systems, fire alarm upgrades, interior and exterior refresh and blacktop refinishing. Increment two, which will add a new steam lab refresh, the teachers lounge, administration areas, and the library along with related site improvements is still moving forward through the DSA approval process at this time. Uh the for the final guaranteed maximum price of 15,24154, we have made some pricing assumptions which included a 10% contingency to account for any unforeseen needs. And at this time, I'm happy to turn it back over to President Rawlings. >> Thank you. This is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >>

125Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? No questions. I have a motion to approve authorizing the final guaranteed maximum price, execution, and delivery of a site lease sub lease construction services agreement. Other acts relating to the district's Buenov Vista Elementary School modernization project. So moved. Second. Motion made by uh Trusty Seosi. Uh seconded by Trusty Emmery. Discussion. Any discuss? No discussion. Uh Miss Garcia, please call for I'm sorry. Oh, sorry. I missed it. More more of I like to say um it driving by. It's really exciting to see um this going forward and um glad to have those final numbers uh really confirmed and um I think everyone in that community is really excited to see all the progress being made. So, thank you so much for all that. >> Thank you. Anyone any

126more discussion? I don't want to miss it. Okay. Thank you. Um Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty COC? >> Yes. >> Trusty Verbette? >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory? >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward? >> Yes. >> Trusty Rawlings? >> Yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. Uh, next item is um item 11.1 approval of assistant superintendent instructional services employment contract. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Norman. Thank you, President Rawlings. Trustees, a former assistant superintendent of instruction services, Dr. Nye was appointed as the assistant superintendent of business services on June 11th, 2025 at a regular meeting of the board of trustees and it went into effect July 1st. The assistant superintendent of instructional services recruitment was then opened. The employment contract

127for the assistant superintendent of instruction, as we mentioned tonight, Dr. Brockett, is being presented for approval. Exhibit A. Upon finalization, a copy of the approved assistant superintendent of instruction services employment contract will be posted on the website and or available upon request. The compensation for the assistant superintendent of instructional services includes salary, health and welfare benefits, and vacation leave. The assistant superintendent of instructional services has an annual base salary of $230,849 effective August 14th of 2025. It is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees approve the employment contract for the new assistant superintendent of instructional services, Dr. Brockett, effective August 14, 2025. Thank you. This is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? Trusty

128verbth. >> I would like to make an amendment to the motion. Am I able to do that? >> Not yet. >> Okay, it's question time now. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Do you have questions? No questions. Okay. Any questions? Okay. I'm not seeing any questions. May I have a motion to approve the employment contract for the new assistant superintendent instructional services effective August 14th, 2025? >> So moved. >> Second. I have a motion by trustee Emory, a second by trustee Ward. Discussion. Trusty Vbeth. I would like to make an amendment to the motion to approve the contract with the last two sentences of the first paragraph of section five under salary which includes provisions that the assistant superintendent's salary shall be increased or decreased by the same percentage as all other certificated management employees of

129the district. I need a second. >> What do you want to change it to? >> She wants to delete it. the Okay. So, the motion is to delete that sentence. >> Correct. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. Is there a second? >> I'll second that. >> We have a motion or an amended motion by trustee verbbeth and a second by trustee. Discussion. Okay. Trusty verb. I think we should be measuring our top employees that are essentially our executive officers based on their performance and the performance of the district and compensating them on that basis instead of on the basis of the compensation for our certificated staff. Um, I believe it's a conflict of interest for our cabinet to receive me too raises since they are also involved in negotiating these raises with the certificated union. And

130I believe the certificated staff negotiated for their meto benefits due to their substantially lower salaries and benefits that are based on the cost of living adjustments, which do not apply to our cabinet officials that make nearly $300,000 a year. So, I would like to recommend that we revisit all the contracts for our cabinet as they come up for renewal to ensure that all contracts going forward have merit-based compensation based on performance. >> Okay. Point of clarification. Um, so when we delete this in this contract, um, are you also asking us to, um, are so you also doing a request within the motion to bring back all contracts to delete that sentence. >> Where did our guy go? >> I think he ran out of here. >> He ran out. He didn't want any more questions

131>> because what I heard you say in discussion is that you don't believe that these should that should be in any of the contracts. >> That's correct. But that would take bringing all the contracts back to on the agenda. But so is it was that just more to support your um support taking out of this contract? >> Well, for now, yes. >> Okay. I just want that's why it's a point of clarification. So I'm I'm clarifying. >> I appreciate you doing that. So for now, this is the contract that's in front of us and so I'll have to figure out >> uh making a motion to address the other contracts at another time. Correct. Is that right? I think probably when we get clarification from our guy. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I'm probably g

132have to do the same thing. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, um Okay. Is there other discussion on the motion that because remember the the there's a um there's an amended motion on the floor. So, that's what we're talking about now. >> Yes. Okay. Trusty W. >> Um I will not be voting for that amended amended motion. Uh I'm not a fan of merit pay and education. It is a collaborative profession. Um teachers and um district office staff members um everyone in the field of education that works for students. It's it's not based on merit. If I mean we want we want to support each other. We want to collaborate with each other and really do the best we can for students. And I think that when you change it to a merit-based situation, it

133it kind of changes the whole whole field of education and you're going to start seeing teachers being less collaborative and more competitive. And I think that um that would not be beneficial for students and for their learning. And it's I think it's really important that we really support everybody that works in education and and um I think doing that wouldn't be supporting them. Trusty Amry. >> Um I fully understand what you're saying. Um and I do think that we do need to be also considerate of um our putting the onus on our certificated um bargaining teams to represent the um the management as well as their own uh parties. And I think that's something to be really careful of and and be thoughtful of. Um I think you know I also agree that um merit-based

134maybe isn't the answer. So, I would fully be up for um revisiting the contracts and the language at another time um because I think that opens up a really good um question and I'd be interested to see, you know, what the other parties do. I know it's fairly standard, Dr. Norman, correct me if I'm wrong, in many districts that I've seen and worked at um that this is typical of that language. Um, however, I do in recent years have heard a lot about, you know, like I said, that onus being on those bargaining teams um to then create the percentages that the management then, you know, so I think that's an interesting point that we should reconsider. Um, I just don't know if this is the moment to do it. Trusty Cos, >> I very

135much appreciate both of your perspectives being shared there and I understand what I was hearing in Trusty Verb's comment was maybe if we removed the the verbiage of merit-based and just consider her initial request of deleting that sentence. Uh we are looking at setting a salary right now and then we're looking at uh impending raises coming next month and so effectively aren't what we saying aren't isn't so sorry what we're saying that we're hiring at this rate but that it's going to increase by whatever it is that that salary negotiation is next month. It it's so I think maybe the me too element of it is is the challenge there. >> Can I trusty Ward was first? >> Um thank you Trusty COC for that comment. I think maybe initially if it was just uh

136Trusty Verbth sharing that she wanted to delete it, it would be one it it would it would be different. But within this context, what she's sharing is her motivation toward um going to a more merit-based uh salary situation for our staff members or teachers. And so I'm not I I don't know if I would be comfortable with that because now I understand what her her motive is behind that is possibly going to a merit-based system and because she shared that. >> So go ahead. >> Yeah, thank you. >> You could respond. >> So trusty word, thank you for sharing that, but that's not my intention. And my intention is these are um staff that are being paid a significant dollar amount more than our teachers. And we have a union that the teachers have a

137union who are um are um collaborating and working on behalf of the teachers. And that's separate. That's completely different. What I'm talking about here are these um staff here in our district office that are very useful, very needed, very collaborative. And I don't think putting them on a merit-based um performance is it's just like CEOs of any company. Um you know, it motivates people to work harder. It motivates people to work better. It doesn't motivate people not to be collaborative. I'm not talking about certificated teachers. I'm talking about just our cabinet. >> Trusty Amry. >> Um I hear what you're saying. I would be hesitant to do that for one uh member of cabinet before having discussion as a unit as a whole. Um say that uh that came across and we did delete it

138and then there was a vote going forward on the rest of the cabinet that said no, we're not going to make that change, but now this one contract has that change. That would feel inequitable to me. So I think you know um for the time being that does lead into a perhaps larger conversation in the future. Um but until we can have that conversation I feel that it would be in the best interest to keep it equitable among all of the cabinet members. >> Joseph Beth you can respond. >> So then can I amend my motion or do we have to go back to the main motion? >> The the amendment needs to be concluded. Okay. Um, and then potentially, from what I understand, um, potentially a new another amendment to the motion could be

139brought forward. However, I'm not sure we can I'm not sure we could bring something back that has not been publicly noticed. So, I would my suggestion would be is that if what I think you're trying to that you want to bring forward is is that you would um that that would be a future agenda item would be my um would be my guess um based on what we heard tonight. >> Okay. So, we'll vote on the amended motion >> since that's on the floor. Right. >> Yes. >> And then >> and if you wanted to make another amendment and again I I I'm just guessing what I think it might be. Right. If it's not some if it includes things that are not on tonight's current agenda, that would have to be on a future

140agenda, right? Because it whatever we talk about has to be publicly noticed. >> Okay. So, I could make a motion to agendaize at a future meeting this this because it's on the agenda right now. This discussion that we've had, we could agendaize it for a future meeting. if if you wanted to broaden your um broaden your motion beyond what's on the agenda tonight, >> which is one contract, not three or four contracts. Right. Okay. Just se >> and to that question if if we were to have that words brought forward at another meeting where we're then discussing this broadly. Um would that because these are employment contracts are would we be able to as a board is that something that's in our scope that we could make a decision that would impact existing contracts or

141would that be something we could only do regarding future contracts? >> I think that's a great question. Um, parliamentary I I do think we'd need to look into it with legal because um, as someone who just signed her contract. >> We would need to know that and um, I think I think everyone's brought up a lot of really good points and their arguments I've heard throughout my career, but I'd be happy to research that. >> Justice Cosy. >> Yeah. And just in and I think that was why doing for this specific contract I absolutely agree with you with wanting things to be equitable but if they are existing contracts and you can't really modify existing contracts then if that was something that the board chose to do it would be something you'd have to start

142>> and then moving forward future contracts it sounds like >> and then it's a point of information not clarification. I I just remembered that after I said it. >> President Rawlings m uh Miss Aras also had a comment. >> Um Miss Aras, go ahead. >> So all of our contracts are similar for the assistant superintendent. I don't have the superintendent's contract in front of me right now, but if you look at number 12, it it addresses renewal and amendment of a contract that it can be amended at any time by mutual consent of the parties. So that might play into that piece if you're talking about all the contracts that we'd have to probably consult with legal to look at. But just to point that out that would be on the other contracts as well

143because they're all written the same. >> Thank you. Trusty CSC just so that I'm understanding what that verbiage says. So were we to then discuss as a board that we wanted to make that change, just deleting that line item on all contracts, then that would be something that would be it the the person that the contract was with would have to agree to that. So, it's not something that we could really vote on because it would have to be in agreement with the person that am I understanding that correctly? >> Yeah, I think we need >> like I said, I'll get a legal opinion on what the contract says, but there is something that addresses amending the contract, but we could get to the legal opinion >> because I think the verbiage is helpful, but

144if the person then says nope, then it is a moot point. other discussion. I have some things to say too. Um, one of the things I do remember is that there was a time where um the the contracts and the salary levels were different between cabinet and we did make a change to um to do that but I I do think that that was by consent. Um however I mean contracts do expire. These are not you know forever contracts. So I would assume at some point that there would be an opportunity to potentially change the language um because again you you can't have a forever contract. So ultimately that I think that would be um but point of information for trust verb um um why why didn't you bring this up like when we just

145did Dr. Raw or Dr. NY's um contract or other contracts that we've done by cab with cabinet? >> I've been thinking about it so I just didn't do it. No. >> Okay. Thank you. Okay. No, I appreciate that. I just I just didn't know. I was kind of like, "Oh, we just did one of these a few months ago." So, um >> No, it's always been in the back of my mind, you know, like when any business runs >> when you know, everybody has to perform. You have performance evaluations every year, right? And so, if you don't perform well, well, then you don't necessarily get a raise, right? Or you get less of a raise or however that business chooses to use it. But, you know, we have a a cabinet that gets paid a

146significant amount of money and I think that it should be merit-based. I think it makes sense. >> Trusty COC, >> I I think that when we're talking about staffing, the costs of staffing in general, it's a it's a huge expense. And the meto element of that for the highest paid people in the district is like how many um how much more could we impact teachers with that the same funds if it was distributed maybe differently. And so that's maybe where my head goes with that. Um, and as we get continue moving into basic aid and we have more money, I'd love for everybody to have more money, but but I think we have a lot of teachers that that probably need the money more than district staff. And so when we're looking at finite dollars,

147>> no, I I hear what you're saying. And for me, I am a um I am not a fan of me too as well. Um I think that you know um I think all bargaining units just stand on their own merit. I think also um I mean stand on their own value what they bring to the table as a unit. Um and um and so I agree with Trusty Emory that you know I don't see the equity here by just having you know one you know I don't I don't think Dr. Brockett should be the only one that doesn't have that in their contract. Um, but I also think that, you know, one thing to consider is when you don't have these standards like that, then you could have an assistant superintendent demanding a 10%

148because I'm worth it and good luck finding somebody midyear because um because you know you're um because I'm going to leave you in the lurch unless you give me what I want. So, the one thing I do like about at least the structure here is that um they're in a contract with you. So they can't leave and they can't um uh and they you know they can't leave you on alert and then you you know you create stability for them as well. So I but I agree with you on the the the the meto part. I you know I I do um again I think people need to stand on their own value but I also think that these types of contracts do bring stability in those highest level cabinet because we've you know we've

149been playing musical chairs with um our cabinet as well and that I think that has caused some problems and so ultimately to me that stability I think we have to consider that before we kind of lay um before we have this you know eitheror so I think that we could consider things I'm hoping ing that our superintendent has heard because she's the one who um actually uh evaluates those folks too. So um so that um so I think I'm assuming our superintendent has heard what our discussion has been and um maybe we can find some compromise between that uh between a a absolute me too and how do we maintain stability in our highest level cabinet. So that that's where I stand on it. Um and you would >> and that would also take into

150account um site administrators too because they also benefit from the me too as well assistant principles and principles as well. So they too would be affected by that. So um and I just I just want to share that you know placing as we have seen placing um cabinet members or even site principles assist administrators you know it's hard it's competitive so um and if you have all the other districts around you which I'm pretty confident all of them do this um it could get really hard to get well quality qualified um people in those positions. So, you know, that's just something to think about as well. >> Trusty Verbeth. >> Yeah, just to follow up on that, I I I'm hearing what you're saying, Trusty Ward, but I also think it also can inspire I'll

151use that word everyone to work as hard as they can work to their best ability. And that's how the real world works. And I think that's how we should work and um I think it should be not a competition rather a motivation. >> Okay. Trust your word. I I just want to say that I I think that um regardless they do work really hard and I think you know from our instructional aids to our teachers to cabinet site administrators you know I think they are all working really hard and I and I believe that you know the profession in itself doesn't I would say even up to the district level does not get paid as much as they work honestly and um and I'm going to say that for teachers and you know instructional aids

152you know classified employees and site administrators and I I think that um I'm not sure that's the best way to do it. Um, I think that we want to support our all the people that are working in education and have them be really effective by professionally developing them, working collaboratively um, with our superintendent, overseeing and guiding them and leading them. And I think, you know, within education, that's that's how I think would be the most effective way. And I and I think most educators would agree with that >> and trusty word I just wanted to comment on something that you had said that um I don't believe site administrators have individual contracts like this. I think that they think this is limited and if you could correct me correct they they typically what we do

153is we grant the same but it's not in their contract that they get the same >> but they don't have contracts do they site administrators like this? No, they have regular employment contracts. Only cabinet level has those specific contracts. >> Okay, that's all I wanted to correct. But I agree with you. It's >> of course you're right because that's a that's a >> practice not really part of >> it's not a policy though. Correct. Okay. >> So it's a practice not a policy on on the site administrators but this is actually like you said it's in writing on for cabinet for each individual contract. So I just wanted to clarify that piece. Um any other discussion? Any other discussion one more time? Okay. Okay. So, we do have an amended motion on the floor and

154I'm hoping I just want to Does everyone understand what the amended motion is that's on the floor? >> Okay. Uh um Miss Garcia, please call for vote. >> Trusty COC. >> No. >> Trusty Verbat. >> No. >> Trusty Emory. >> No. >> Trusty Word. >> No. >> Trusty Rawlings. >> No. >> Motion fails. Thank you. Okay, then now we go back to the original motion um which is I'll read it back. U may I have a motion to approve the employment contract for the new assistant superintendent instructional services effective August 14th, 2025. So that's the motion. We've already have we have a first and a second. Um any other discussion on the original motion? On the original motion? No. Uh Miss Garcia, please call for vote. Trusty COC. >> Yes. Trusty Verbth, >> yes. >>

155Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 11.2, approval resolution number 032526, teachers teaching outside of credential authorization per education code 44256 through education code 58803 and T58005B. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Miss Megan Aries. >> Thank you. There are currently 11 teachers who hold a multiple or single subject credential but do not have the required credential that teach classes outside their credential area. Although these teachers do not have the appropriate credential to teach the designated class, they do have the special expertise and training necessary to allow them to teach outside their credential area. In order to to continue teaching in their respective assignments in 2526,

156it is necessary that the board of trustees approve a resolution authorizing these individuals to teach a course outside their credential area as exhibit A. It is respectfully recommended that the board of trustees adopt resolution number 032526, teachers teaching outside credential authorization per ED code 44256 through ED code 58803 NT5. Thank you. This is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? Trusty Emmery. >> Um, I did. I had asked one of Dr. Norman um earlier. I'm just wondering if uh there was any uh more information on that. >> Yes. You had asked about um an SLP. >> Yes. >> And she is in a program and she's just waiting for her credential to come through,

157but she's fully qualified for the position. >> So, it's not necessarily a different credential area. It's just uh waiting on that. >> Correct. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And I'm just um uh we have tried to um not use acronyms. So I'm just gonna That's a speech and language. So I just want to clarify that because we've been really trying. So >> I could not say a real word all night if I had to. So you are right. >> No problem. >> Not a problem. I just wanted to lay that out there because that's something that we've been trying. We've been trying. We're all trying here and we'll do better. And I'll say in my recognition, I don't know if you know, I I spelled out all of the all of the acronyms in that recognition

158piece in the beginning, so I'm trying. Anyway, um that was more of a procedural thing. So, um any other questions? Okay. Um, may I have a motion to adopt resolution number 032526, teachers teaching outside credential authorization per education code 44256 through education code 58803 and T58005B. >> Motion second motion from Trusty Ward, second from Trusty Verbbeth. Discussion >> any discussion? Uh, Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Verbat, >> yes. >> Trustee Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to part 12, board policies. Uh, item 12.1, rescend action taken on item 7.6 six of the agenda of the regular meeting of the board of trustees on May 21st, 2025 in

159response to demand to cure and correct action alleged to have been taken in violation of the Brown Act government code 54960.1. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Norman. >> Thank you, President Rawlings. The Sorry, >> may we take a break after this item so we can stand up and go to the bathroom? Actually, I'd like to take the break before this item. Um, so if we could take a five minute break. We'll do that now. Thank you. >> It just may take longer than that. Okay. No worries. Not a problem. order. Okay. Um, we're at item 12.1, uh, resend action, uh, taken on item 7.6 six of the agenda of the regular meeting of the board of trustees on May 21st, 2025 in response to demand

160to cure correct action alleged to have been taken in violation of the Brown Act government code 54960.1. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Norman. Thank you, President Rawlings. The board received a letter dated June 19th, 2025 threatening litigation against the district under the Brown Act regarding the agenda discussion in the adopted motion on agenda item 7.6 at the May 21st, 2025 regular meeting of the board. Under the Brown Act, the board must either cure or correct the challenged action and inform the demanding party in writing of its actions to cure or correct or inform the demanding party in writing of its decision not to cure or correct the challenged action. Also, under the Brown Act, the board can avoid unnecessary litigation without admitting any violation of

161the Brown Act by taking action to unconditionally commit that it will cease, desist from, and not repeat a challenged past action based on consultation with council. This item is for the board to take action to resend the revisions to board policies 3280 and 3320 and administrative regulation 4161. to resend the action the board took at that meeting, which was different than the language proposed to be added to the administrative regulation 4161 and to express the board's collective unconditional commitment to Brown Act compliance. Based on this, staff recommends that the board adopt the following motion. Resend the revisions to board policies 3280 and 3320 and administrative regulation 4161. Adopt the board pursuant to agenda adopted by the board pursuant to agenda item 7.6 at the May 21st, 2025 meeting to resend the action the board took

162on May 21st, 2025, authorizing the district to reimburse another school district for substitute compensation and administrative costs and to express the board's collective unconditional commitment to Brown Act compliance. Thank you. Um, is this is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. Thank you. Trustees, do we have any questions? I do have questions. And uh, this is directed at staff. I think it might be trustee or miss. Um before bringing this item to the board, um was legal counsel consulted? >> No, they were not. >> Okay. And just to clarify, I did ask these questions in advance. They couldn't I couldn't get answers prior to the meeting. Um during the May board meeting, did uh Missas, did you think about rescending the policy um

163for further review um during the discussion and um the um kind of the heated the heated debate during that piece? Um, and if not, why not? >> No, because at that time I was un under the understanding that the AR was responsive to the request at that time. It wasn't until after the board meeting did um did it come up that it was not um in response to the request >> and what gave you the impression that it was responsive to the request? >> Um consulting I consulted the CSBA language. Um, we had gotten the AR from Salana Beach. Uh, we looked into CSBA language, which usually has every situation. There was only, um, it only addressed the language that I brought forward, um, as the AR. Uh, when it referred to a certificate employee,

164I thought that was just generic that it was any employee. Um, and so I thought that it it applied because there was no other language. Um we uh I reached out to another district who had a board member that was a t teacher in another district and asked if they um had the similar policy. They said they did not because their um board member had not ever requested that. Um so they weren't aware of that process. I had asked another district if they had heard about it, but they weren't aware of it. It was something new. Um, so I just relied on the fact that I thought that CSB language was just applying to both districts um and did not realize until later when um our attorneys had looked at it that it did. Um

165since then I've reviewed you know my procedures as well and if there is a situation like that I will absolutely be consulting our attorney um and making sure that whatever I present to the board um is you know fully understood. So, I do apologize um for that mistake um and and that caused us to be here. >> And then um is there anything else that you would do differently um now that we are here? >> Um if I could have gone back to do it differently, yeah, I would have run it by an attorney um until I was absolutely sure. Um and be double double check myself just to make sure. And then the fact that it was an AR um did that did that raise any alarm bells for you as well that we

166traditionally don't bring ARs to the board? >> Yeah, we discussed that in cabinet. Um ARs um they said had been brought every now and now and then. Um and because this was something new um and it was, you know, compensating another district, we thought it would be important for the entire board to weigh in on it rather than us just adding it to an AR and pushing it through. And I know when we discussed this, I had mentioned that um um Escandido releases a teacher for the Vista board. Did you look at that circumstance at all and and have any conversations with those two districts? >> I think it was the Escandido one I reached out to. I was trying to remember which district. I got to go through my email. Um so it was

167either Escandido or Vista that I reached out to, but they said that they um that they were not doing that because their board member had not requested it. So I could be wrong on the districts. I'll double check my emails, but yes. >> Okay, thank you. Um, okay, that's all my questions. Any other questions? Okay, thank you. Um, may I have a motion to approve the staff's recommendation? >> So moved. >> Second. >> A motion from Trusty Emmery, second from Trusty Ward. Any discussion? Um, I just um I appreciate the apology. Um my concern is is that um that we rely heavily on staff to bring forward the information so we can have discussion and deliberation and and to um and to make appropriate decisions. And so it's for me it becomes frustrating when I

168I feel like I have to double check um staff's work or what have you because I don't feel that's my job and that's not my role. And so I do appreciate the apology and um I do I had a lengthy conversation with um uh Dr. Norman and um I've been assured that this type of thing uh won't be happening again. So I'm I feel more confident that that that the information that we're receiving and the agenda items that are coming forward that we can rely upon them and that if you know if there is a question that there will be um additional um counsel brought in so we have solid confidence about what's coming before our board. Okay. So that's uh any other discussion? Trusty Ward >> just want to say thank you Megan. >>

169Any other discussion? Miss Garcia, please call for vote. >> Trusty COC. >> Yes. >> Trusty Burbette. >> Yes. >> Trusty Emory. >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward. >> Yes. >> Trusty Rawlings. >> Yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. We now move on to item 12.2, revision of board policy 3280, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Nye. Thank you, President Rawlings, trustees, Dr. Norman. Uh, this policy was previously approved. We're bringing it back uh in consistent with or inconsistency with uh CSBA language. Uh board policy 3320 has been updated based on recommendations from the California School Board Association to reflect uh recent changes in law. The two big ones are a temporary provision allowing for the board to forgo forming an advisory

170committee for certain surplus property which expired on July 1st, 2024. That has been removed and the board must now declare property as surplus or exempt surplus land in public meeting with written findings before any sale or lease. So, those are the two big updates in CSBA and I'm happy to answer any questions that you might have. And that's just for policy 3280. Correct. >> That is correct. >> Thank you. Um I'm sorry. Um this is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We do not have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? No questions. Um I'm going to go ahead and make a motion to approve board policy 3280 and approve it as a first reading and wave the second reading. Okay. I have a

171second uh discussion. No discussion. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Roette, >> yes. >> Trusty Emmery, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you. And we're at item 12.3, revision of board policy 3320, first reading. Trustees, this is a discussion action item. I will now hand it over to Dr. Nye. Thank you, President Rawlings. Again, this is in uh consistent with CSBA language as well. Uh two provisions here, AB452, which removes limits or time limits for filing claims related to childhood sexual assault occurring honor after January 1st, 2024, including for plaintiffs over the age of 40 who submit required certificates of merit. And it also um relates to Senate Bill 558 which maintains the

172previous statute of limitations for incidents that occurred on or before December 31st, 2023. So in essence, it's removing any statute of limitations. Thank you. This is the time for public comment. Have any blue cards been received? >> We don't have any blue cards. >> Thank you. Trustees, do you have any questions? No questions. may have a motion to or I'm going to make a motion to approve the board policy 3320 and approve it as a first reading and wave the second reading. I'll second that was trusty Emory for the second uh discussion. No discussion. Miss Garcia, please call for a vote. >> Trusty COC, >> yes. >> Trusty Burbath, >> yes. >> Trusty Emory, >> yes. >> Trusty Ward, >> yes. >> Trusty Rawlings, >> yes. >> Motion passes 5 to zero. >> Thank you.

173We now move on to part 13. Uh I'm sorry. Um and this I'm sorry, we're at 13 a communications uh item 13.1 governance team reports. This is the time for trustees to provide a brief report if they've attended committee meetings where they represented the district. Are there any governance team reports? >> Yes. >> Trusty Ward. >> Uh I attended with uh President Rawlings and with Superintendent Dr. Norman, the city schools committee, and I have an update for that. So, um, we had superintendent and city manager updates from our local school districts and, um, I don't remember all their names, but Dr. Norman did the update for us there. They talked about a budget um overview with 243 million of the general fund with investments in our libraries, opening Sunday hours, fire mitigation, um public safety,

174increasing uh paramedics and police officers and also school related projects. The Monroe Street pool is getting redone. So, that's exciting stuff. Um, CHS tennis courts as well, resurfacing of nine courts and crossing guards are also going to be um distributed to 14 schools, prioritizing elementary school campuses, eight of those of which are in Carl'sbad. Also, SK uh we discussed safe routes to school program. Um and they talked about walking and bike safety to reduce traffic, promote health. Um completed plans have been at Hope Elementary, Jefferson Elementary, Sage Creek High School. In progress are Buav Vista, Alvar Oaks, and Calavera schools. They are looking to partner with other schools in our district, and they're hoping that principles will come forward to want to partner with them to do that. Um they also discuss ebike and bicycle

175safety. Um they there is going to be a traffic safety commission hearing on September 16th at 5:00 p.m. and they're going to be considering a temporary ban on e bike on ebikes for riders 12 under 12. It's a pilot program and also looking at parent accountability currently financial responsibility only. um looking at a possible expansion that's under review. My key takeaways from the event was the city prioritizing public safety, fiscal stability, and school collaboration, infrastructure projects um to enhance student safety and recreation, safe school routes, um to emphasize communitydriven off- street solutions, ebike safety regulations, and uh also we had some community members that are part of our CUSD um community that also commented on the reopening of the BV tunnel and concerns around idle and cars idling in traffic. That's it. Thank you. Very

176comprehensive report. I have nothing to add. So, uh we're moving on to next agenda item uh which is 13.2 trustee requests for information from staff. Trustees, are there any requests for information from staff that have already been discussed with the superintendent and have been recommended to bring to the board? I do have a request. Um, and so, um, as a reminder, trustees are prohibited from having a discussion tonight on these items per the Brown Act. When making a request, please indicate the purpose of the request and whether or not staff has provided an estimate of how long the request will take to accomplish. Um, and I will follow um what we talked about tonight. So, if we don't have unanimous consent, then I'll bring it back at another time when we get an answer from

177our um uh individual or our presenter tonight. Um but I excuse me, we had a request from um uh our classified unit to explore a classification study and um I'm not sure exactly um what the board's role in that request is because we do have a personnel commission. So, I had asked um our superintendent if we could get an update in a Friday report at least to start the process to find out, you know, what um what the board would need to do in order to implement that if we if we wanted to move forward on it, uh if we wanted to um uh how much it would cost, uh what the um what the processes, how do we work with the personnel commission? And so, just an extensive report on how we how we

178would do it if we wanted to do it. So, it's not saying that we would do it. It's just what do we need to do to even move forward on it? So, that's my request. I've I've uh talked to the superintendent about it. And so, are there any objections? Okay. I don't see any objections. So, do you understand the request? >> Yes. Good job getting consensus. >> Okay, great. And then that would um just to be clear that that would be in a future Friday update. So, it wouldn't be um there's no time limit on it, but we're asking for it in a future update. Okay, great. Um, next one is uh we move on for 13.3 trustee requests for future agenda items. Trustees, there are are there any requests for future agenda items that

179have already been discussed with the superintendent and have been recommended to bring to the board? Nope. Okay. Then I don't have to read that last part and there's no continuation. Um, and then I am going to do a uh point of personal privilege. Um, I will not be attending the next meeting. So, I don't want there to be any confusion amongst the public that I didn't show up for anything that it's a scheduled absence. That being said, um it is 8:33 and this meeting is adjourned. The regular meeting is now adjourned and the next meeting will take place on September 10th, 2025 at 6 p.m. at the Carlsb Unified School District office. Thank you. >> And uh we are going into close session, but there will be nothing to be reported out.