OCPS | 2025-06-17 Rule Development Meeting

001good morning and welcome to the Orange County School Board's work session and rule development workshop which has been scheduled for today, Tuesday, June 17, 2025. This work session has been scheduled for the purpose of discussing the future use of Hungerford property. The public will not have an opportunity to participate in this work session to provide public comment because it's not a regularly scheduled school board meeting and no action will be taken. Our rule development workshop has been scheduled for the purpose of discussing policy JIC code of student conduct. During this rule development workshop, the school board welcomes public comments. I know this just got confusing because I am talking about our work session and a rule development workshop and we are going to start I believe with the work session. Wonderful. I want to do

002that out of the court courtesy to our guests that are here. Good to see you. Good to see you, Adam. Right. Great to see you, Adam. All right. I do want to thank everybody that's here. Let me take a quick roll call because you can see we don't I am actually still whispering. force of habit after having four kids. When when a child is sleeping, you whisper. So, member Ferrron is not with us, but she is calling in. So, let me just call on member Ferrant. I believe you are out of the country most likely and it may be a little bit of a delay. So, member Ferrant, could you just acknowledge that you're on the call with us? Yes. Good morning, Chair Jacobs. I'm here. Good morning, and thank you. I know how work

003how important your missionary work is and I very much appreciate your commitment to Orange County Public Schools to always find a way and the time to participate and all other board members will be here. Member Felder just arrived and our vice chair has just on Q arrived. All right. So, we have a full board with us either in in person or on the line. I'm going to remind my fellow board members and any members of staff who may be speaking to try to speak as directly as you can into the microphone so that our audience here can hear you as well as our audience on Orange TV. We will begin our meeting with a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance. And now for the pledgece to the flag of the United States

004of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, Dr. Vasquez, I know we have some special guests joining us today and this meeting will be a little unusual because we generally don't take any public comments but in this particular case because of the nature of this work session, it's extremely important that we do hear from the mayor and the team at at Eatenville. so excited to have this opportunity to come together and have this conversation between us. Dr. Basquez, I'm going to turn the meeting over to you. Thank you, Madam Chair. And yes, today is the first time the board is going to have an opportunity to speak before the public about the property known as the Hungerford property. I have

005invited Mr. Demetrius Presley who is the CA CEO or chief administrative officer for the town of Eatenville. he has graciously agreed to present alongside Mayor Gardner. Thank you for being here as well. and members of the Baker various firm who has been working side by side with the town on their master plan. Before we hear from them, I am going to ask Dr. Armbster if he would provide for the board a very brief summary. obviously over the course of the of the last year or so, there have been many discussions about the use of the property. And one of the ones that we heard most recently had to do with a joint partnership with for roots. And so I am going to ask Dr. Armster if he would provide just a brief overview to the

006board and the public related to that partnership. Thank you, Superintendent Vasquez, board members. and this is going to be a rather quick one. And I can certainly go into more details if you would like. the idea here is a dream for a school, a magnet school located on the property for about 1,000 students. It would priv provide accessibility that is equitable be beyond ADA language equity and technology, offer core classes. We would offer AP dual enrollment classes, create a working farm that provides jobs and training, provide a pipeline and connectivity to local farmers as part of the education process. There would also be a facility would be state-of-the-art. It would be my apologies I'm having problem with my glasses. Desire for outdoor learning environments. We would have on-site farmers market there. We would have the

007teaching and business of agriculture, entrepreneurship, job creation, teaching business skills. Of course, agricultural education. People don't realize still that agriculture is the top industry or one of the top industries here in the state of Florida. work programs. We would have a variety of different opportunities for students both in and out of of working inside of technology, working outside with the good old fashioned way of farming with the community. There'd be some partnerships feeding and engaging the local community with community gardens, developing a local farmers market, engaged through community workshops and key community leaders. There'd be a hard focus on sustainability goals from composting to capturing cleaning and infiltrating storm water on site. identify best practices, latest techniques, those sorts of things. There's also the possibility because we have Hungerford Elementary located close by. We also

008have the OTC campus located close by. There's possibilities of looking at having almost a cradle to career environment right there on that property. from pre preK all the way up through postsecary and of course teaching programs that would go with all of that. So, it's also, FFA for those of you who are not familiar with it. Used to be known as Future Farmers of America. It is currently actually just FFA. Little trivia there for those who may not have known that, but one of the largest comm largest organization, student organizations in the world. And it's from mayors to presidents have been members of FFA. It is a national organization. They actually have the second largest national convention in the United States every year, which is an amazing thing to the networking that these students would

009then become members of. FFA is known for teaching leadership, community values, all of those sorts of things. So, that's about as much of a nutshell as I can get it into. Madam Superintendent. thank you, Dr. Arm Brewster. and next, we're delighted to hear from representatives of the town of Eatenville. Mr. Presley, I'll let you introduce your team. Dr. Pus, before by all means, if I just have one question the acreage that Dr. Armbrer just described, are can do you have an idea of that acreage? What? Yes. U Madam Chair, what I have currently in front of me is 15 acres is what we would look at for I believe the building the farm would be 40 acres and I'm sorry. Yeah, would be about 40 acres taking up that property. Okay. Thank you, sir. Welcome.

010Thank you. hope you all can hear me good. to chair and the members of the board, I'm Demetrius Presley, the chief administrative officer for the town of Eatenville. Thank you for allowing us to come and share. I have with us our honorable mayor, Dr. Angie Gardner, and the team Bakerios members that are here from the architectural firm, Tim Baker and William Jefferson. with that, I'm going to allow our mayor to give some opening comments. Thank you. Good afternoon, Chair Jacobs, board members, as well as the other staff. Thank you for allowing us to provide dialogue on this issue today. because as you said before, it's not something that's normally done. So there's us let us know that you are taking this seriously which you usually do. Being established in 19 August 15th 1887 as the

011oldest we're now the oldest black incorporated municipality in the nation and we are talking about the historic town of Eatonville. The founding of the town is more than just a settlement. is the idea that the freed men were able to attain autonomy and freedom for themselves after 137 years of existence. The fact that we are still here is in itself a model of cultural preservation and sustainability, but it's at a basic level. What we are now emphasizing is that we want to now connect how we got here, those basic best decisions that got us here and now connected to what's going to really sustain us in the future. And as the team from Baker Berios presents to you and then followed by Mr. Presley, what I hope you see is how collaboration, true collaboration with

012true stakeholders giving their input and as well as the the real input is from the residents and that is what's going to be shown to you today. So again, thank you for allowing us the opportunity as we show you a plan that is situated in people coming together who want what's best for the town and several voices being heard. So with that, I turn it over to Tim Baker with Baker Barios. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. really appreciate and it's an honor to be here this afternoon and we're excited to to give the board an update on really the last year. we've been you know on the assignment now for a good part of of the year with most of it listening listening to the community, listening to the residents within the community. I want

013to introduce you to William Jefferson. Will has been working side by side with us. he leads one of our groups inside of Baker Barios, a group called Thrive, which you're going to hear a little bit about, and it's about, really implementing community action. So, William, you want to talk a little bit about what we've done workshopwise? Thank you, chair, and I appreciate you all board members for this space. So over the last year, we've really been very intentional about hearing residents voice, knowing that oftent times when individuals like architectural firms or development entities enter into communities or towns, they come with prescriptive ways of telling towns that they are deficient versus an assetbased community development approach that literally tells you we understand that there are deficiencies, but we also know that you will have resilience,

014benefits, skills, talents that are resistant to these things that community you know differences can pre provide. So over the last year we've had now four workshops. Those workshops have been centered around giving an understanding to topics like master planning. How many of us can honestly say that we've sat in a room and fully understood what developers were saying to us, let alone architectural terms and terminology? so what we've done is we started out in the library for our first workshop and in that workshop we broke down what does it look like to develop a master plan? How do we continue to stay engaged throughout the process linking with residents and stakeholders so that we can finalize a plan for for their perspective with their voices represented. So workshop one we really did a deep dive

015on just some terminology. Workshop two we moved to Macedonia. residents and stakeholders there were then taught what civic engagement looks like today with differing perspectives in the room and how we don't have to go in and tear one another down to reach a shared gold a consensus among one another. And then workshop three, we allowed them to tell the story of Edenville. We had pillars all around the room centered on transportation, parks and recreation. we also had education was one of the walls. Main Street and then Hungerford. Each one of those walls we allowed residents and stakeholders in their partners to come in and have a voice to tell us the history versus us telling them and to also ask the hard question, what's missing and to work towards creating some solutions to fix some

016of those problems. And then workshop four was an interactive workshop where residents were able to go around the room and see markups, the initial markups of their words, their requests now put onto a diagram that they could say, "Hey, I'm proud of I support. change this. Edit that. Don't even put this on there." so it was it's been a fun journey. We're moving at the speed of trust. That is our coin statement in Edenville. We're not moving this process as normal big business. We're literally making sure that residents and stakeholders are brought along on the journey. Thank you. Thank you, William. And it has been, you know, a delightful experience getting to know the residents of Eatenville and listening to their stories, listening to their dreams and aspirations and incorporating that into some very preliminary

017work. I would say even though we've been at it a year, I think our work is maybe a little over halfway done. So we still have a ways to go. and so there's plenty of time for input and additional thoughts and ideas. and it's really been a delight. When we look over the last year or so u and try and sort of gravitate the conversation into certain categories, it was pretty apparent that really there were five sort of tasks that we were specifically looking at to try and advance within within the city in the town of Eatenville. first and foremost and unanimously across the community was this idea that we absolutely have to preserve history and culture. We have to celebrate it. We have to honor it and we have to make sure that it's

018incorporated into everything that we do. and so one would think the oldest town incorporated town in America would have great detail on this history. Well, there there isn't. And so part of our assignment is to really talk to the old-timers and discover what some of that history that's been lost and reinvent that and incorporate that back into the town. So history and culture is one of the buckets that we're we're exploring and that we will continue to develop over time. they have a very strong Main Street opportunity Kennedy that goes east to west through the town of Eatenville. so we're that is another subject of conversation that we're having with the residents. and it's not just the east side of of Kennedy and Eatenville on east side of I4. It's also the west side. And

019then it's that link under I4 and how we can create a gateway that connects the east and the west as as to one community, not two communities divided by a highway. we're looking very carefully at transportation. It's amazing. Eatenville is very centrally located, but when you look at it from bikeability, walkability, mass transit, how I get to the certain assets around the community at large, it's quite fragmented and frustrating for the residents. So, we're doing a careful look at that. We're looking at parks and wreck and open space as part of the study. We're looking at obviously the Hungerford property and that's that's why we're here with with you all today. and then we're looking at the residential neighborhoods. There's five very distinct neighborhoods within the town of Eatenville and how do we address that

020from a neighborhood services perspective. If you take that conversation and you sort of look at what the driving and I would say by and large these five or six things represent I would say 80% consensus within the community which I think is pretty high given you know the fact that it's hard to get you know a group of people to agree on much of anything these days. there is a strong consensus within the town of Eatenville on on a few of these things and I'd love to highlight those for you. we talked about preserving our history. I would say that one is 100%. and there were no descending voices within the community on that. In fact, it's been the first the first statements made in all of our workshops is how do we preserve that?

021I think some of the plans in the past have not really honored that to the level that they should. and so our work is really centered around understanding that history and that culture and building that into every decision that we make. they were very clear about wanting meaningful open space and open space that they could bring the community together and whether that was you know annual festivals or whether that was small and mediumsiz events that they could do on a daily basis, a weekend, a weekly basis. But again, this idea that brings that bringing the community together and to celebrate life and family was really important and that connectivity to the waterfront. so we have Lake Wilderness and we have Lake Bell and there isn't a lot of community engagement with that waterfront. So how

022you would connect the community to those natural resources was an important idea. believe it or not, education has been very high priority. I'd say we're probably in the 80 to 90% consensus within the community. they love the fact that they have education in their community, but don't feel that the story is complete. so what they would love to see is a full continuum of education that starts with an early learning center, goes to primary, goes to secondary, possibly goes to higher education, and then that all feeds into an industry similar to probably EA Sports across the street and how it's connected to UCF and Valencia and even the A school across the street or even the four roots idea I think was sort of on the right track of and may maybe it's four roots

023or maybe it's not four roots but it's something it's something like Lake Nona has around biosciences. It's something like Creative Village has around digital media. It's something that Oyola County has around advanced manufacturing but some sort of cluster that creates education that leads into high wage jobs and an industry that could help benefit the residents of Eatenville. So that was a very common topic as well something that supported jobs and economic opportunities. health and wellness is very much absent within the community. So restoring access to health and wellness was a topic that had a lot of consensus. and then this next item I would say we dropped from 85 80 to 85% consensus down to maybe 60 70% but still was a driving voice and that was diversity and housing quality housing that's either workforce

024or obtainable but something to add to the housing stock within Eatenville for the residents of Eatenville. not displacing or gentrifying, but for the residents of Eatenville was a topic of discussion. And then finally, a lot of frustration about you know you know, we have links coming through our community, but it's very difficult to figure out how to get to employment centers. It's it's difficult to figure out how to get to educational assets or healthcare assets throughout the region. and how we can look at a regional transportation system that allows connectivity to regional assets, but also even connectivity within their own community. You can't there's many places where it's difficult to walk, it's difficult to bike without conflicting with traffic. and so this idea that there may be this circulator that runs throughout the the town

025of Eatenville connecting the residents to the various community assets as well. so I'm going to depart a little bit from the master that's the traditional ULI master planning exercise that we've been going through and I mentioned at the beginning we have a center of excellence within our own practice group and it's a and it's a it's a program called thrive and thrive was born out of us doing a lot of work in disadvantaged neighborhoods back when I was much younger and we would come in as the tradition architect. We'd come in and do brand new streets. We'd build brand new buildings and everything looked wonderful. but we didn't fix the systemic problems that were in those communities to allow opportunity for the residents to grow and thrive. And so what would happen was would be

02625 years later, those buildings that were new and fresh are now decaying and declining and we'd rip those down and rebuild. So we a few years ago we created a group called Thrive. And what Thrive does because in many of these neighborhoods even though regionally a lot of the services are there they're very difficult for the residents to navigate. So, what Thrive does is we go in and we build a hub and if you live within the the neighborhood as a resident of that neighborhood or that zip code, you can walk into this hub and you can build out a customized program that's focused around cradleto career education, health and wellness programs, jobs and economic vitality program, and basic services and needs. And then with that program, you can go out into the region or

027out into the community and take advantage of those programs. we've got a couple of of of projects that are well ahead of Eatenville. and we're getting some great outcomes relative to those programs and services that are in there. So, Thrive, in addition to our master planning exercise, will in about probably 6 months, we're targeting the end of the year, converge into a community action plan and a master planning vision for to to guide the town of Eatenville for the next 25 years. the area the study area that we're looking at which we're showing up on the monitor here really is within the the town boundaries of the town of Eatenville. So everything is being looked at relative to those assets. you can see the focus areas are really the main street. So Kennedy that goes

028right through the middle of the town of Eatenville. we're looking at the five neighborhood burrows that exist within th the town of Eatenville. We're looking at the Hungerford property, which is the largest piece of undeveloped property, obviously within the town of Eatenville. That also includes the property you own on the west side of I4. We're calling it OCPS West. but you may have a different name for it. That's also included in the study area. and so that's been the focus over the last u many months in testing different ideas. We had a workshop just this past week and this represents sort of and I wouldn't say it's anywhere near finalized. it's still a very open conversation. We got a lot of really good feedback. But this represents on the left hand side the Hungerford property,

029on the right hand side the Orange County Public Schools West property. and for the Hungerford property sort of you're starting to see some of the themes emerge that I mentioned. so if we started at the entry to the property off of Kennedy, this idea that there would be this very large sort of central park to bring the community off of Kennedy into the property. and again that would be a very flexible park able to hold their large annual festivals but also be able to to break it down into smaller venues to do things on a weekly daily u monthly basis within that park. That park is a linear more natural park that extends to the south. and again it would be a passive park that ultimately connects you to the waterfront. and that waterfront would

030also be programmed. Most of it would be parklike with possibly a restaurant venue or some some catalytic draw an event center that got you down into that part of campus. We're also proposing a large community garden in this development that could also support sort of nutrition and food academics within the development. The green area really is your existing school. and we're showing sort of an early learning center that's basically on the far right. then we go into the primary education which would be a proposed K through 8. Then we go into the secondary education which would be 9 through 12. And then we go into the higher education which would be you know a university, community college or votech opportunity with the idea that you would go through this magnet program or STEM program and

031across the street which is represented in the blue would be some sort of corporate industry. and whether it was the four roots idea or some other idea, they've talked about science and simulation. We've talked about AI. you know, I think the conversation is still out there searching. But the idea is when I'm I'm a little baby, I go into the early learning center, I graduate from college, and I go across the street into a high wage job is really the concept. And that's represented in the master plan with the green and the blue. this idea that the town deserves a new town hall was a conversation that the residents felt strong about. the current town hall doesn't really represent the gravitas that the that should be commanded within their community. So what's shown up on

032the in the map in sort of that light pink color is a noon town hall and that's where we would also do an annex that house this hub idea which is the thrive and the four pillars program within the community. The yellow represents workforce and obtainable housing. and then along Kennedy represents really some live work where you could have a shop on the ground floor and live up on the second floor. Really trying to start to contribute to the main street program that's developed in additional diagramming for the Orange County Public Schools west property. there's this idea that would be a health and wellness campus with potentially health care partners like Advent or Orlando Health. would put primary care and ancillary health related services. We would also do a nutrition nutrition education. would love to

033get someone like the Magic or or some athletic organization to contribute and put a gymnasium like they have throughout the community so that we can also do u fitness and sports and wreck supported by sports and wreck fields. And I think that's a that's a wrap. Thank you, Tim. and that was a whole lot of course and we we'll dissect and come back to that. but kind of to close out this portion from the town, I just wanted to reiterate how how do we get here and that is to affirm that you know we've heard the community. we've addressed some of those areas and William really spoke to that moving at the speed of trust that while you see those four workshops that's not where it really started. you know, it started with empty meetings,

034but a consistent support from the town. and speaking of that, you see some of our members of the town along with our council members, Councilman, Daniels and Councilman Councilwoman Randolph that are here showing that we found that reaffirmed structure to move forward together and that's where we are now presenting for the town. as you see, while the Homer property is there, we're looking at it from a total perspective of how do we make sure we create a sustained tax base with the available space that's within that community and use those different opportunities from education and economic vitality to help support that. and we believe that you know, we're we're right at the place where we're seeing that happen on several measures. One of those being we looked at the underground first infrastructure. As I've stated

035before, we have the $34 million in water and sewer improvements that's happening now. From that program in an educational way, we created the mayor's small business development academy, which is actually going on right now. We have 47 different potential new businesses that could be placed or housed in and around Eatenville. And we graciously partnered with Orange County Tech College and that's where those sessions are being held. and so the collaboration for that is happening right now. with that along with that we recently are looking at some of even the storm water that's more of a technical side but we have received from the county CDBGDR from the disaster recovery 8.3 million to support a storm water master plan or master park that we'll do and mitigate a lot of the infrastructure there. and also create

036some some some small hubs that will support some of the things that are being positioned in that along with now the mayor just had her state of the town address that kind of showed an overview of these things but also showed the connections from Florida Blue to the Dr. fill up some of these ones, the wealth Winter Park Hill Foundation. These are supporters that have already been a part of this process coming to some of these meetings, stakeholder meetings to make sure that we are now answering those questions that not only what they'd like to see, but who could assist or who could work together with us to bring it to fruition. And so those are things and I want to kind of close with just making sure that's that's our focus of moving the

037town forward and identifying those opportunities. And as we know that property has that sustainable tax and educational base that can help the town continue to exist and be sustainable for many years to come. And in closing, I'll just say thank you to Superintendent Vasquez and Dr. Williams for for showing up. they've they've been to those meetings along with board member Vanos coming to those events to see and give input and just with that same collaboration that's our goal with envisioning Eatenville forward and so I believe we are working towards those proper partners to support that but also want to make sure we present it to the board to hear and to discuss where we go from there. All right, thank you so much. I probably should I know you know but for the audience benefit

038it's this is a work session. It's not a time when we're going to make decisions but this is an excellent opportunity to hear from you all. I I want to say upfront I have so much confidence and respect for Mayor Gardner. you all have had a lot of mirrors throughout the process and the leadership and integrity that needs to be in place is extremely important. So we're glad that you are where you are. Demetrius, you have really been an asset as I don't need to say. I think everybody knows and I think you've done very well to have Mr. Baker on the team. Mr. Jefferson, I don't have the opportunity or background with you, but you have a very fine team in Baker and Barios. So, I also will say, I don't know if you've

039read the book, The Speed of Trust, but it is one of my favorites. And from the moment you said we move at the speed of trust, that really is the only way you get anything done. and the more trust you build, the faster it happens. one other thing that resonated with me, and this is like a microcosm of what you're dealing with, but some of you would know I I sit here today because the county put a road through my neighborhood. and it wasn't the road as much as it was the process and not asking first, what does the community need? What is the problem? What are some answers? and starting with people instead of starting with engineers and architects and r and planners. They're all important, but they're the ones that show the how,

040but it's the community that needs to define the what. And so I think the process that you've been through is also very very beneficial. I find a lot of exciting things in what you've proposed. I am I have always been concerned since the since I took office as mayor and got more familiar with Eatenville. I've always been concerned from a financial stability standpoint and the serious need for tax tax base. So, as I was listening to your presentation, I was also listening to make sure that was one of the critical boxes that needs to be checked off. So, I will just say I'm appreciate the presentation and I'm very glad to hear the process you've been through and I'm going to open it up. I have a few questions down the way, but I'm going

041to ask open it up to any board members who may have questions or seeking clarification. And if not, I had questions come to think of it, but I'm looking at my questions and I and I think that you have addressed just about all of them. Member Vanos, you have been at at the table and at the helm for Orange County Public School Board, so by all means, we'd like to hear from you. Thank you so much, Madam Chair. yeah, it was funny. I was I think before you had the official master planning meetings, I was at the town hall meetings and so just have kind of watched this process with people just kind of giving, you know, their opinions to then kind of seeing the process more formalized over time. and then I was at

042the last workshop as well. But you know I think I but I'm new to this position and how and so I'm curious to hear from from other board members and sort of how they're thinking about this. But one question I do have for the property was you had the schools the I think you had outlined an early learning which I think currently exists right at Hungerford Elementary. Correct. There is a preschool that through travel and leisure that has been established but I think it's only covering a portion of the full depth. we would like to see with that early learning similar to some you may have seen in West Lakes or some of the others but expanding upon that is what we've envisioned for that. Okay. So bringing bringing children in sort of from a

043younger age not just at four years old or wherever that Okay, got that. and then I see you have the idea of the K8 and the and the high school is do you envision working with OCPS to I mean do you see those as magnet schools or how are you thinking about that just because I and correct me if I'm wrong for I know a lot of the residents in the area they're zoned for Edgewater. So just kind of curious how you're thinking about that. Yeah, you know there's been several conversations about how does how that happens next. I think we're we're in the defining and development stages of that to see what's what's actually a viable option with that. we didn't want to take it away because it had come from the community to

044see something like that added in. So we would have to kind of define what that looks like, but we're definitely open to working along with the school board to to figure that out as we move forward. And just one last question on that piece. How many acres of the property do you have for kind of that school education piece? I think we're very strategic to make sure that it stayed within that current footprint of where the education hub is as you'll see laid out on there. to to make sure that we maximize the sustainable tax base opportunity from that area. So, understanding that, you know, we believe that you can we can do the schooling within that current outlay where the tech school is in between and maybe some of the behind to stay in

045that area and maximize the frontage for Thanks for sharing that. maxifi maximize the frontage. So, the green kind of outlays currently what you already have within that school area space and trying to stake, you know, to to repurpose or adjust that space to stay within that for that area. Okay. And just to go back, you were thinking sort of like of a magnet program, so anyone could any student could apply to go to those schools or is that what you your desire is? That was from the community's input. Okay. Of options. So I don't know. Not putting it on yet. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if we've identified that defined route for that, but I the community did mention about the full kind of elementary to high school option and magnet whichever one kind of

046works out could be could be an option for that and that's definitely there. the community brought that up in the last workshop this past week. and they were there were several voices that were really interested in making sure that it just wasn't Eatenville children that it did bring in you know diversity from around the community into Eatenville so that you know it would expand the opportunities for for the kids that live in Eatenville. So I do think you know the preference would be a magnet school of some kind but o open to the community at large with you know preferential attendance from the kids in Eatenville. Okay. Thank you so much. Wait, can I just add from an educational view? I it would be wonderful if as if if if we're working with the school

047and I know we have we don't have it defined yet but it would be wonderful to use this as an opportunity to envision a more innovative way of having it done and this would be the opportunity. So, if we are talking about a magnet school and if we have the opportunity to partner with someone such as four roots or it would be great to to look at it in a in in a more innovative way and that's all I'm going to say and that's coming from an educator's viewpoint. Got it. Okay. Thank you. I'll let that makes sense. Let me go to member Gallo. Thank you, Madam Chair. so thank you for coming today and sharing this plan with us. and for all the work that you've done in your community. We appreciate it. So,

048in looking at the the master plan, what funders or stakeholders are you working for that will help fund this project? who's going to pay for the project, right? And that part we probably could talk about and Tim could share a little more. the way we built this is to get the input from the community and along the next step phases we start identifying those community partners and if you remember about a year ago there was an opportunity with the museum which allowed us to reestablish a lot of our partnerships with Dr. Phillips and the Central Florida arts community, United Arts Community are working with also now with the Winter Park Health Foundation and now establishing rapports along with the Florida Blue some of those providers there. So we are starting to identify our group now

049that we actually have heard from the community what those needs are. And so we'll start to define and create those moments for them to support. But some of them have, you know, by showing up even, you know, I'll give an instance for the state of the town. One of Advent Health reached out to me and said, "Hey, we heard about it. We'd like to be a part of it." Which is starting that interest to support where Edenville is headed. So, I think there's interest once we define that path forward. Okay. Thank you. And have you worked are you have you talked to Dr. Phillips? Is Dr. Phillips expressed an interest? Absolutely. And the mayor and I recently met and I'll let the mayor share that portion. in the last meeting it was clear that so

050we don't overstate but that Dr. Phillips Foundation is in support of the master plan of the town and in supporting what the town has shown would be viable and in its best interest. So you're willing to work with Dr. Phillips for this? Absolutely. and then back to the to the schools. I know it's not defined yet and it's it's in the master plan because it's what the community wanted. so I guess I and I hear you when you say innovation. We're having a lot of conversations up here about the future of public education and what it looks like and the need to be innovative. So are you thinking that it would be an Orange County public school or are you thinking you would bring in a charter school? because I know that we don't have

051anything in our 10ear se plan that would include another K through 12 or anything in Eatenville and any charter school or anything that would placed in Eatenville would take away from obviously our schools in our surrounding area. nothing nothing that'll take away nothing with the use of vouchers nothing like that but just a way because we already have an elementary school there you know so I even if it doesn't go to 12th grade but even if it is a an innovative way to bring in the private with OCPS but also in a way that if you bring in private that funds can help sustain you know so how that looks I don't know right now getting the land so that we can move forward we can keep the stakeholders together still collaborate and maybe bring

052someone in that could see it differently for us but definitely nothing that threatens Orange County schools thank you so much I appreciate it thank you member Gallo you know one of the tremendous opportunities I see is not just in what you describe it making sure that we understand the history and as you were saying there's there's not as much information as you wish I think of connections that I've made over the years that have been invaluable and I going to volunteer the Mormons here but you might not know that the part of the Mormon's mission is maintaining historical records and so it might be interesting if they could they showed me a lot of my family records that I didn't know existed. And so it might be interesting if we could find whether it's the

053Mormons or somebody else that would take on that and literally be able to take and look at who was your grandfather, your great-grandfather, what were their roles and be able to tell that story of the history from a human standpoint, not just the buildings in the town. And then I like also your idea that we're going to take the history but we're also going to take it into the future to places that we're not yet there but heading you know visioning what we want that to be. So I think that's a great concept and I think you could build a lot of support in this community around a vision of that nature. And I do think that's going to be fundamental because all the best ideas in the world, even if in the long term

054the funds will come in, it'll support each other and there's that short term you got to get over and you'll you'll need some partners that can get you through that part. I kind of wish we still had Harris. Well, I do always wish we had Harris Rosen with us, but yeah, I he would be jumping in both feet head first. Actually, he would be diving in head first because he he loved to swim. but even Frank Frank Santos and I had talked some for some bit about having a different type of preschool environment where moms or dads who aren't working one because they're not going to make enough money to put their kids in preschool. I was one of those moms with with four kids. it it didn't pay for me to go to work

055because I would pay more in child care. So, we started what was very unique and that was a preschool co-op. But that co-op gave parents a way to not just have their kids cared for by others, but also to learn things that then could propel them into early education and then into a degree in teaching. So I just see a lot of opportunities where others might see challenges. So, again, I'm excited about the role that you've taken your forward thinking and exciting about our conversations that we'll need to have. we do I know the superintendent has shared with you we do have some state restrictions on how we surplus land and those are things that we have to navigate as we move forward. And I'm going to call in a couple more board members. Member

056Bird. Thank you, Chair. thank you all for coming in for the presentation. I just want to go back real quick to Dr. Arm Brewster and the four roots project and idea which sounds has always sounded wonderful. I'm wondering has was the town involved in those conversations along the way and if so I don't see the 40 acres on in the plan is that not part of your plan the same the same idea behind the four roots project or is that not part of kind of this vision yet? Yeah. And to that point, I believe four roots had started having some conversations prior to meeting with us, but then along the way, they did stop in to see us. and the conversations we've had with their folks understood that, you know, while the mayor and we've

057talked about some education opportunities, we just need to to define that path on how that all comes together. it but because of the importance of that particular last undeveloped area, our focus was the most to secure the vitality from an economic side and education side first and then we can discover how that path ties into that four roots. But we have visited and talked and had conversations. But I think we have to identify, you know, the the sustainability of what we do so we can figure out how that education piece of that ties into it. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah. No, it does. I'm just I just wanted to kind of know like where you where your thinking was on that and if that was something that still seemed like I mean I know you're

058talking that there's many different ideas for the cradle to college and your vision here for what that could be whether it's STEM or it's the four rivers as you mentioned or the four roots. So, I just wanted to know like how that played into that if it was I will say that you know the conversation has influenced the master plan to have some optionality for when the right idea does hit. you know, the numbers that Four Roots gave us specifically to execute on their program was a 5 acre sort of corporate piece and then a 15 acres sort of community garden piece. The rest of the balance was built into housing for the the folks that work and go to school there. Part of that acreage is for the university and the academic portion. So

059we've built that five acres which is the blue and that 15 acres which is sort of in the bottom where we call it the urban garden into the master plan. So there's optionality but if it's not four roots then we've got five acres and 15 acres for a different idea if that makes sense. Yes. And if I can just add to this definitely not that much acreage number one. Number two, more so of the idea to create food scientists. So in which case you would need labs or laboratories but not such a large blueprint at all. the other thing is all of that would come after we have spoken directly and a decision has been made on the town's request and then anything after that would be through another conversation. we came in on that

060plan after we found out about the conversations, you know, just to keep that honest. So, love the idea, but it needs to fall within what the citizens of the town have already stated that they want, but also what makes sense in getting that done. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. let me hear from member Vanos and then member Salamanca. Thank you, Madam Chair, and thank you for the clarification on the school. and just kind of clarifying your involvement with with the Four Roots and how that all came about. I do, you know, one thing that as I've gone to these meetings, it's clear to me that I think we need to be listening to what the people in Eatenville want for the property. And to me, that should that should really be be our overriding question

061and then thinking about how we can work together for this educational piece. because that's something we're in the business of. So, we can work together on that and we can partner. but one question I had because Madam Chair you had mentioned something about restrictions on our ability to kind of dispose of the land or or or work with the land. So, I'm just wondering now that the lawsuit is over and there's no restriction on the property as I understand it for to make to require it to be used for an educational use. what I'll just ask our attorney what are the restrictions on the land from our perspective? So, the lawsuit Madam Chair I'm sorry, Mr. Pamarini, you're recognized. Thank you. the lawsuit was, as you remember, from the Association to Preserve the Eatenville community.

062And what they wanted was the use restriction that came out of the 1951 consent decree that said the property had to be used for a school for African-American students, especially with respect to industrial education and that sort of thing. that restriction was removed via settlement agreement which was court approved in 2015. So that restriction is off the property as far as we're concerned and we have a court order to that effect which I have sent you all previously. I'll recirculate it after this meeting's done today. So we don't believe there's any restriction on the property with respect to how it has to be used. Meaning it doesn't have to be used for educational purposes for the purpose of educating African-American children. Obviously that kind of restriction would be illegal under Brown versus Board of Education

063today. now with respect to disposal of the property, there's the two statutes that are at issue. that's 101328. That's for the sale of the property. Under that particular provision, you would have to declare the property surplus and then you would have to put it out for sale. and the proceeds of the sale, whatever that would be, would have to go back into our capital accounts in order to pay for other capital needs that we may have. So that's 101328. then there's 101315. That is the lease purchase statute. That's the statute that says you can lease property with the option to purchase in the best interest of the board. there is not a restriction in there with respect to declaring the property surplus. So you can say the you don't have to declare the property sur

064surplus to do a lease purchase agreement. The thing that you have to do there's there's cases it's a old case from the 1931 from Florida Supreme Court that says when we put property out for sale we have to get full and fair consideration of that. But the lease purchase statute's a little bit different. the concern I have is if we were to as you all know I'm not saying anything that you all know we had a potential lease purchase that was offered to us that at a greatly greatly reduced rate. You I don't think that we can donate property under the sale statute and I don't think you can structure a lease purchase in such a way that essentially looks like a donation. But there's some wiggle room between what we were offered to settle

065the lawsuit versus what we had previously put the property up for sale. If you all will remember the sale that we had, we had a $14 million deal on that property that we were going to sell to a developer and that sale obviously fell through. The contract was canceled. So, there's all sorts of different things when we get to a finalized proposal that we're going to have to look at. I'm gonna have to analyze what's actually in the proposal. Make sure it comports with the statutes. Make sure it doesn't look like a donation in in violation of the law. Doesn't make sure doesn't look like it's a workaround. So, I'm speculating as to what I could potentially see in the future. the details are going to be essential as to what we can do and

066whether or not we would have any statutory issues with doing what's being proposed. follow up. I thank you for that. I want to go back to I because I just want to understand this better. when you talked about the lease purchase and you said that it can't look like a donation. I mean I guess what I'm wondering is so I know sometimes if municipalities are working together or if you have like a municipality working with a nonprofit they might say you know you can lease the property for a year or I'm sorry you could lease the property for like a dollar a year you know with with an option to buy after some period of time for for some certain amount like are is that what you're referring to or like what would be the

067restriction if any on some something like that. So the statute says it has to be in the best interest of the board. And of course that doesn't isn't defined anywhere. It's not in any case. I've looked exhaustively. There's nothing on it, right? so there was, you know, if we're doing a lease for a dollar a year with an option to purchase and let's say the lease is for building, I'll take the museum as an example because that's the concrete example we had. doing a lease on that, we would have had our students going to the museum. There would have been some sort of educational purpose for it. So, doing a dollar a year lease on that property with a option to purchase at some point in the future. That probably would be looked at differently

068than if we just gave gave the same dollar a year lease with an option to buy and the town was making a commercial interest. It had a commercial interest on it and our students weren't benefiting. That's part of the analysis we're going through. And you know, I just want to remind the board to be clear when we were looking at potentially of giving some of the property to the town for the purpose of the museum, we had conversations with DOE, especially to say, "Hey, if can we do a donation of this property for the for the purposes of museums?" And you know, DOE had conversations with us like they were okay with donating a portion of the property for the museum, the property that was necessary, but not necessarily the whole 100 acres. Right? So,

069that's why I'm saying a lot of these a lot of the issues that we're going to have to look at to see whether or not it comports with the statutes, I'm going to have to get the details and what's being proposed. So, it's hard to speculate as I sit here today. Okay. Thank you. just follow up. So just so if I so what I what I think I hear you saying is number one that consideration can be something other than money. It can be consideration is normally money but it can be something other than that especially if our students are getting some sort of value out of it. Yes. Okay. And then the other thing I hear you saying is a fear that the Department of Education would not be happy with us if we

070donated the land. there is some of that. Yes, it's we and I'll let the superintendent speak to any conversations that she you know I'm going to let her she's queued in. Go ahead. May I, Madam Chair? So I think that the devil's in the details as it relates to the department of education and so we would look to see as Mr. Palmerini said, "What is the exchange? Is it services? Is it opportunities for students to engage in different educational experiences? and as opposed to no exchange and I think that is where we would be cautious. We I would caution the board. but the conversations that we have had have all centered around some type of benefit to our students as well as as the community. Okay. Okay. I'll I'll take a pause for now. Thank

071you. All right. Thank you, member Vanos. Member Salamanca. thank you so much for being here and for catching us up on all the different components and the work that you've done. It's it's great to hear all the workshops and feedback you've had. It's it's helpful to know what the community is thinking as well. one of my questions was around this plan. So, it sounds like you had four workshops with the community in the existing project. Is there going to be more like where are we in terms of progress of communitywide feedback before things become more solidified? You mentioned some percentages some things you go 80% buy in some you have 60% buy in obviously once and we know this once you have buyin and then you actually post that this is the decision there's real

072feedback from that too. like where are we in the process of you all saying this is what the community wants with with a degree of certainty in the context of this project? Tim, I'll let you go. Yeah, I'm I'm happy to and this is approximate. but workshop 4 was the result of them seeing their ideas on paper for the first time and that was last week. I would say and each workshop the crowd within the community grows. So we had really good participation. and so we collected lots of comments and feedback. So we're kind of in the rinse and repeat mode. So we're going to workshop five. We will present back the same documents only with their new comments and input. But I would say we're well past 50% right now with very sort of

073favorable support. Not too many descending voices. There were a lot of descending voices in the very beginning. I would say by and large most of the conversations are starting to go down into the details as opposed to you know the bigger program elements. So the program elements that we're presenting in this plan, they're getting moved around based on the feedback but nothing has really been eliminated. so I think the program that's shown up on the map is where the community would like us to head, but the arrangement of that program on the property is still of conversation. And remember, the conversation goes well beyond just the Hungerford property. So, we are inside each one of the five neighborhoods having similar conversations about pocket parks and tot lots and connectivity and facade grants and branding of

074the neighborhoods. We're talking about how to redevelop the main street and put additional assets. We're casting the retail, trying to discover old retail outlets that were once very important to the town that no longer exists. So, we're going through all those conversations in addition to the Hungerford property, but I would say the program that sits on these documents are pretty well supported. but they're moving around in in their location right now. So, and I think that ties into roughly about another six months, six to seven months worth of work before I actually get a final draft that I will present to a council for approval. Got it. I appreciate it. And I and it's great that we're having those conversation early. I think conversations have been going on and off for a long time in

075the context of very different options and solutions. I think this is kind of one of the first times that this board sees call it this plan and it it's good to be at least have some visibility at this point. I think as as a superintendent said, you know, so much of the devil's in the details, right? And so I I think what I would love is for collaboration to continue because there are some restrictions that we're going to have, right? such as enrollment and we don't want to pull from certain schools and we always try to balance what kinds of CTE programs we have where right like there there are kind of parts that are aligning with our master plan or our strategic plan that this board has and those two also have to align

076and so what I wouldn't want is for the community to kind of be set on one type of school what one type of grade or something like that where we will be restricted and then we end up kind of having to be the ones saying no in the context of something we didn't have a lot of initial input into. And so to the degree that we can continue to collaborate on the details of what are our parameters as OCPS in terms of schools and charter public K through eight or prek like all of that I think really is important for us to at least get on the same page of. Yeah. And I think defining or allowing the town to really focus in on some of those catalytic projects will help sustain that educational side,

077right? from a from a community side, the stabilization of that happens with us defining the sustainable tax opportunities and the commercial opportunity that will tie into that which will definitely while we're defining you know the educational impact or what that path is would definitely be a route we could take. But, you know, just want to make sure that helps to understand how do we get to that educational by defining some of those larger sustainable areas for the commercial side of it. Yeah, it sounds like there's a lot of buy in from the larger place. I think it's we it's goes both ways as well, I think, on all the moving pieces. So, we appreciate it and it's exciting to hear that there are a lot of partners. I think there's there's absolutely great community partners

078out there who would be excited to work if kind of all the pieces fall into place and that's something that we hear as well from our partners and so thank you for being here. Thank you for bringing us into the loop at this point in the master plan and we just appreciate it. So thank you for your Can I just add one more thing? The how I see the opportunity is there to create a public education that it would draw students because right now the problem is not what we do with this property. It's what's sending our students away. This is an opportunity to design a tool that would draw those vouchers back to our That's how I see it. Absolutely. So, I just want to make sure that I'm not talking private or anything

079like that. Got it. Okay. Yeah. And that is a share goal. I think we all as OCPS would want to have more students be enrolled in our schools. And so, we just we have student enrollment numbers, we have demographic growth, we know where there's things happening. And so, that's kind of in the details that we're talking about where what that school or education capacity looks like is is going to be in the details for sure. but thank you so much for for the feedback and catching us up on how the community is thinking and the ongoing workshops and definitely keep us in the loop. I think a variety of the board members would love to at least just hear back from those workshops and what's going on and if we have the opportunity to go

080do so just to be a flag. Yeah. All right. Thank you, member Salamanca. I do also want to take a minute to recognize Mayor Cole, former mayor of Eatenville. It's great to have you with us. Always wonderful to see you. and NY netheria is also here with us and we appreciate your presence and your ongoing concern and passion for the town of Edenville. So with that, let me call on member Gallo. Thank you, Madam Chair. So I just in looking at the master plan and I don't know if this is a question for John or a question for y'all. so looking at the master plan as it's developed now what would be the benefit like is there a benefit within this master plan that our students could exercise would there be a benefit other than

081I guess the schools which I mean we could do co-ops like we don't we don't have to build an actual build like there's lots of creative things that we could partner with y'all to try to do to meet the needs of of the community. John Hry. So the you know it in looking at the plan it's it's very high level. It's not drilled down as to what it the schools would be the most direct you know obvious benefit to our students right. if there's some sort of athletics there to the extent that they allowed us to utilize those facilities that could be a benefit of our students right. if there's housing and there's affordable housing put on there and it's they reserve some slots or we work on a partnership and by we I mean

082Dr. Williams will be would be itching to do something like that. And they reserve some of it for our employees. That would be an educational benefit. Remember, under 10143, we can be in the affordable housing business. So, there's all sorts of things that you could do that way. But again, I hate the phrase devil's in the details because that implies some sort of evilness that I don't think is in any way here, but the details are important. So, details are in the details. Yes. Correct. In the details. Correct. So those would be the things that I would see as potentials, but you know, we'd have to get this fleshed out a heck of a lot further before I could say specifically, yeah, I believe that's educational benefit. Of course. Of course. And also, if I

083may, from the historic portion of that, you know, even with the cultural center, opportunities for internships from even as we were talking with the hotel being there, there could be some internships there. So I think there are some caveats we could work around each one of those components that we're looking at that would be in that defined space that has a education component but it also has a wellness component in as well. So I think I think we have some avenues that we just need to talk through on that becomes part of the CTE program. Yeah. Mhm. and then I think I just want to clarify because I think I've heard you all say this several times, but in looking at the master plan, if as you delve more into the project, say there wasn't

084there was a desire and I'm just going to stick with schools because that's what we've been talking about. There was a desire to have schools, but there really you the need for those schools wasn't there. then you're flexible in changing out the plan or changing because obviously you don't want to build something and it not be utilized or nobody show up to go to it. Yeah. I think the idea whether it's health and wellness or whether it's education or whether it's jobs and economic vitality, I think what we're being charged with at the community level is to define the program. That doesn't mean everything has to live inside of Eatenville, of course. So I think if there's what we do want to create is a cradleto career education but you may have to go out

085to UCF's main campus or you may have to go out to Semino State College or Valencia College to fulfill that. Same thing with the healthc care programs. so I think if there is a piece that just doesn't make sense, it doesn't have to live inside of Eatenville, but the connectivity, and the continuum should be understood. And that's really what the purpose of the hub is to give, a customized roadmap for each of the families so that they know how to connect the dots with the resources within their community. That's wonderful. And I know that you mentioned that there was some dissension early on in like the first workshop from the community. What was that dissension? What were their concerns? Well, I think it was that phrase we used that we found speed of trust. there

086there's been a lot of promises made and folks that have come to tell Edenville what they desire versus hearing from them what those actual desires are. And I think that kind of put us at a stalemate to say we've had we've been down this road before. but one of the things that we've tried to be is consistent and hear them and find results that can lead us towards that path. And I think that's what was the turning of the table that we allowed them to fully come express and working along with William who's been very great at, you know, helping us to guide the community to make sure we hear them. We also have to be realistic to what's possible. Okay. Thank you. And I and I know that we've talked about the four roots

087and I know that would absolutely add educational value and that would fit the needs for for the Florida statute so that we're in compliance. So hopefully that's something that we can look at further if that's a desire of your community because this is your community and we're very cognizant of that and we don't as a I will speak for myself. I'm not speaking for the board. As a board member, I'm not gonna even pretend to come into your community and tell you what's best for your community. I don't know. Your residents know. You all know. I don't. when you meet with people and they tell you what they want, I trust that's what they want. we just got to figure out how to get there. We want to make this work. We've always wanted to

088make this work. we want to preserve Eatenville. We understand the historical nature of Eatenville and the importance of it. and we don't want to be the reason that it isn't everlasting. So, I think it's just as John mentioned, it's in the details. How do we get to a place where we need to be, that we're all confident that it serves everyone, mostly your community, and what your community needs. So, thank you for being here today, member Bird. Thank you. John, when or Mr. Pomerini, when you talk about the what's in the best interest of the board, I think that really struck me because you know, we've talked about it before. What is the best interest of the board with this property? And there's right now especially when we are so concerned about costs and preserving

089operational costs. There are a lot of costs associated with our work with this property and what we have done over the past several years with the property and what we've had to do and maintaining the property and so you know when I look at when I think about what you said about the u statute and what's in the that says the best interest of the board I really think that is something that obviously we have to consider when we're talking about the future and what we're going to do with the property and I love the idea of you know the cradle to career and you know we've seen that working so well in so many other areas and that I know that's something that we've talked about a lot in this board and the innovation

090idea I love you know we have those conversations all the time that we have to be more innovative is it possible for us superintendent to I don't know like possibly do like a study or a survey or find out somehow if if we were to have a full magnet or like a K through 8 full magnet there like the four rivers like what we were talking about but that wasn't K was it? It was secondary. Was it just high school? I believe it was just high school and I'm looking at Dr. Ar. Yes. I'm trying to hit that button behind my computer. Yes, it was a high school, but we have the K we have the elementary school there, we have the OTC campus there, and we also we're talking about K8. So, the spectrum

091went all the way through in the plan with that. Okay, great. So if if we were to think about possibly, you know, in the future doing like a full magnet that would draw kids to that, is there a way we could kind of do a study on finding out if that's feasible, if it what kind of draw it would get before we would do something like that? Madam Chair, of course. absolutely. You know, one of the nuances when we're looking at schools is the impact it has to the surrounding schools. And when you speak, I'll just use the high school Edgewater is already under capacity. And so if you're drawing more children out of Edgewater, that negatively impacts. But when you're looking at a magnet where you're drawing from across the district, you certainly have

092a different outcome or could have a different outcome. Additionally, we could look at you have Hungerford Elementary that is there. We could also look at the feasibility of having a K8. you know, some of our K8s are magnets for the middle school that might also be able to partner with the four roots magnet school. So that would expand the elementary to a K8 and then piggyback on the high school that would be a district-wide magnet. And so certainly we can take a look at first of all the data that the town has solicited from the community and then enhance that through our team and reaching out for interest. Yeah, that would be wonderful if we could get that. That would I love the idea. You know, we're always trying to think outside the box. So

093I love the idea of offering something unique and different and something that would benefit the community. And I think as member Gallow said that obviously clearly would meet the you know the demand of having benefit for students in our district. okay I think that's all I have for right now. Thank you. Thank you member B. Member Felder. Thank you chair. First of all, I'd like to thank Eville community for coming and presenting giving us this information. I have long been a friend of Eatenville with the beginning of the Zoro Herson Festival back in I think it was 2000 2002 when it first started back in those days. And when you first drive up Kennedy Avenue, you see the sign preserve inville community. And I think about the word preservation. And I think about the fact

094that we're on this board and it is our appointed duty to preserve education for our children, for our students in this district. And I'm very proud of Eatenville. I lived in Kansas for three years and the only other black township was in Russell, Kansas, but I don't even think it's still functioning. Not like Eatenville is functioning. So, I pride myself when I would tell them that I'm from Florida, Orlando, and Eatenville is up the road for me, the first all black township, and they would of course argue with me with that. But anyway, I think that as a board member, my position would be to do all that we can to keep educational preservation in any of the townships or any of the cities or towns that we have jurisdiction over. By any means necessary,

095as an educator, when I think about Eatenville, it has to be preserved. It must be kept. It has to be kept. It has to be kept because of his historical significance. And as a board that facilitates the education of our students in this district, it is our appointed duty to make sure what we do is done correctly, is done right in terms of making sure educational opportunities are at the utmost in terms of our priorities. So, I think that unfortunately right now we're dealing with budget restraints. Well, the state of Florida educationally, we're dealing with budget restraints. And this district being the fourth largest in the state and eighth largest in the nation, we're dealing with serious budget restraints in terms of what we can do. So, we're going to have to gingerely walk through

096these decisions and as my fellow board member talks about the fidelity, we're going to have to utilize that in terms of how we spend and what we're doing. it's and I know we're just at a time of discussion, but it's important to me that I be able to communicate to the residents of Eatenville and administration that as a board member that we want to do our best to make sure we maintain and preserve this town. And so doing that if the answer is a magnet program because I am concerned that when you do that you're pulling but if we can pull if it's magnet we pull across the district that works for me but I'm concerned about if it's not something like that we got Hungerford we got Edgewater that's under populated and I don't

097know if Hungerford has a large population but I'm very concerned that we would I don't want to mess that up, but if we're doing something we can pull across the district, what a wonderful opportunity for children across this state, not state, this district could know and learn about the historical significance of Eatenville. Oh, that would be wonderful if we could have some type of school there. I was so disappointed with the museum. I could not imagine any other place in the state of Florida not having a black museum but in Eatenville. I just don't understand why that did not occur, but it didn't occur. So maybe we have another opportunity to bring in an educational entity so that children across and people across this state and across this district specifically could benefit. So, Chair Jacobs

098and board, I just want to register my, position in terms of wanting to do what we can. Yes. To preserve Eatenville. We have to, by any means necessary. But secondly, we must with fidelity know how we're going to execute the funds or whatever we're doing to make sure that it is used to the best of its ability. We really don't we can't do a trial and error right now. Not not in the state that Florida is in or any of the cities in Orlando, I mean in Florida with regards to budget and education. We cannot do a guessing game. We have to make sure what we put our money on is what is going to happen because we don't have the luxury of throwing money away foolishly or doing stuff that well okay maybe we'll

099come back and do it again. No no no no we don't have that luxury. So my position is that we continue we have to collaborate and what a what a wonderful opportunity for us to collaborate with the oldest black township in America. Yes. within our I back door and it has had educational opportunities long before perhaps that this Orange County school board was established. Edenville has been around a long long long time and the citizens have done what they needed to do to maintain the township. So in saying that, I would like to us to continue these conversations that we have some clarity and that especially the residents understand our position as a board and I know my position as a board member what we're trying to do in terms of making sure that it's

100Eatenville is preserved, but at the same token that there's some benefit to the children and the adults that are going to be here long after we have been gone and forgotten that it's still preserved and we still have an educational facility there. I'm so excited about CTE being there. What I mean it's it's it's a wonderful opportunity for students. So, in closing, I just want you to know that I am in favor of u our continued discussion. it's not we're not going to be able to come up with some answers right away because we have to look at the legality as John has said about the statues and what we can do in terms of property. But I'm hoping that we will keep at the for forefront in our minds what the town says preserving

101Eatenville. We have to we have to Thank you. Thank you, Member Felder. Member Douglas. Good afternoon. I am I was just listening to all that has been said. I just want to say it's a pleasure to finally meet you. I know I would love to meet you oneon one and one of these days. I've been I'm sorry if I haven't really responded to your, you know, emails, but I am listening and I'm hearing and I am paying attention to what's happening in our historical Edenville. I'm so proud to say that to see such a beautiful city still in existence and you guys are really resilient people and I appreciate that really truly and I can't wait to meet you. I was listening to this conversation this afternoon and I really believe that having a very

102strong collaboration between OCPS and the town of Ed Edenville, it's a must for our students, for the future of our community. we need to be part of the conversation with the people of Edenville for them to know what we our side of the story. Okay. I was just you know surprised by the master plan because I have never heard about this until now you know and I think if we could have been part of this plan from the you know the roots would have been great however it's never too late I am excited with words that I'm listening to about the K8 and about the magnet programs and I think they have great great things that can happen in the town of Eatenville and I'm looking forward to wonderful wonderful things happening there but please

103we need to be part of the conversation so when you're having your town halls or whatever with the people we need to be part of the conversations thank you so much for being here we hearing you we love Eatenville and I love the art with Hursten I've been twice to see you know what's happening with the arts and in Eatenville. It's wonderful. so looking forward to great things in the town of Eatenville and please continue the communication with us. Okay. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to meet you. Pleasure to meet you. Thank you, Member Douglas. And I do want to come out I don't think that the town of Eatenville has in any way not invited us or wanted us to be at the table. So I appreciate that and member Douglas is

104fairly new on the board so she may have not had that opportunity but we have regular invitations and we appreciate it very much. Let me call on member and I think we're getting to that. Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm just listening to the comments of my board members and for me, you know, given the history of this property, I support finding a way for the town of Eatenville to thrive. and that means that they need to have economically viable additions and and build buildouts on this property. which I support. and frankly what they decide to do with the property, it's for them to decide. but to the extent that the town is interested in continuing this educational piece, I think that's the part where OCPS comes in and that's the part that I want to

105continue to be able to have conversations about. as I've said before and as we've all said to to collaborate on that piece. you know I love the process. I think you've done a great job and I trust what you decide to do with the property. one thing that I am that I would like to establish before the end of this meeting is what is the plan from here? What what does the future look like in terms of regular meetings with the whole board if they so desire to be part of it? so that we can all be involved in these conversations and we all feel like we know what's going on because I feel like when some board members don't feel like they are involved and know the details I think I read through three

106three days of transcripts over the last couple days. So I think that has really hampered the trust and has sort of prevented things from moving forward in the past. So, I would like to know and to establish as a board and as a district what is our plan, how will we be communicating with you over the next couple of months as you continue to meet with the town. and again, you know, my position is that you know what you decide that I want to be a good partner with respect to the education portion that the town wants to have in here. And I think that can also be sort of that consideration piece for how we make this all work and make sure that you have what you need to to thrive and to to

107prosper from here. So that's guess that's sort of where I stand. Thank you. Thank you, Member Vanos. so I have one question and I and I think one cautionary observation, but I my I may be unnecessarily cautious in terms of my question. I who is actually doing the financial feasibility analysis on the plan and I asked that with one experience when I was not in public office working with a small community that wanted to incorporate and part of that process is determining if they have the tax base and so it's it's not just a simple thing of let's build the things we want and it works out you know that so who does that for Eatenville? Is that the town itself? I don't think that would be Baker and Barius's role, but help me with

108that. We've discussed with several community partners such as Orlando Economic partnership that at some point when we've defined this full role, we can really get the feasible side of it. I think a lot of the things that Baker Barios is planning out has a lot of the feasible options laid out, but of course the financial side would have to be thoroughly looked at. And so we would work along with one of those community partners to get that done. And of course I'm I'm talking about not can you build it, but right if you don't have the right tax base, you can't survive as a correct that's the biggest challenge bill has. That is the biggest challenge. Yeah. And that's Yeah. And I think that's the process that Tim and I have talked about is very

109important here in the community, but also looking at what's realistic and what can actually be sustained, right? And I think we're on that path now with the the direction we're going with that. Right. I will tell you to me that's extremely important because I want to see see Eatenville here in 20 years in 50 years and 100 years but without the right tax base all the dreams in the world will not make that happen. So, so if you would, you know, keep me in the loop on absolutely who's in charge of that so that as we look with you at plans and I think I agree with the board's comments. One hesitation I have and I think you'll have to give some guidance on this. Sometimes bringing in an elected official to your meetings can

110be counterproductive. and I'm not speaking for your community. I'm speaking just in general. Everybody might be swimming in the same direction. You got a few people over here like to go someplace else. And in walks a politician and says that's a great plan. And now everybody's scattered all over the place. So while I think all of us would like to know what's going on and this presentation is really helpful I for myself I also want to make sure that I'm not a disruption to your process of trying to build consensus and it can and does happen. So, recognize everybody would like to be at every meeting, but tell us when and where that makes sense and I for one will respect that, right? Thank you. All right, general counsel. I'm actually queuing in for member

111Ferrant. Oh, I'm so sorry, Member Farant. Yes. Hi. Thank you, Madam Chair. it's been wonderful to just listen and you know hear some more of the details. This has been an ongoing conversation that we've had the entire time I've been on the board. a lot of you know interesting details that go into this and some that I think a lot of the public don't quite maybe understand and something that I've understandtood a little more while being a board member. I do have to just say that I think any agreement that we do make, we need to make sure is mutually bene beneficial. you know, I don't think that it would be in the public's best interest for our taxpayers of Orange County to to see us essentially give away a property. and so I think

112we need to just really be very strategic and really look at how is this going to benefit the students and make sure that we're putting, you know, educational facilities or making facilities that are going to benefit the students in some way, whether that is a museum, which that would have been amazing if you know there hadn't and strings attached and such during the process of that. And you know, I think we need to make sure that you know, we're doing the best for the taxpayers and for our constituents who elected us. there is, you know, I do have some concerns on, you know, kind of both sides. a magnet pro program does sound incredible and I love the idea of partnering with four roots. but I have seen where magnet schools pull from other schools

113in the community, especially schools that may be close in proximity. and then those schools become almost abandoned, which we've seen that happen in several schools in the in in OCPS. so that I am a little concerned about and want to just make sure that we do you know whatever would be the best to make sure that our schools are we're seeing growth and not just pulling from existing schools. and then the other just making sure that there's you know I think we just need to continue this kind of open dialogue where we sit and discuss and communicate. but really looking at the educational benefit for the schools. I have a school, for instance, that's going to be going in a new a new building going in in the where the original Pine Castle Elementary School

114in District 3 that was going that will be removed in a new school that will house like Hospital Homebound and you know, several other of our kind of smaller schools, but all in one. and honestly, I think the hunger for property would have been an incredible space for that. but because there's such litigation and like, you know, back and forth, it's like I don't know that's we need a school for them now. And it's just it's to me as a as a school board member, I am a little frustrated that we can't just use that property. It's ours and I think we should be able to use that for educational spaces. but also seeing how can we help the town of Eatenville and be you know bring in something that would benefit them as well.

115I think we need to be creative and in how we're doing things and you know things that could help bring finances to OCPS as well as bringing finances to the town of Eatenville. so I think just keeping that the open communication and making sure that you know moving forward we really I mean as as a school board I think this property was entrusted to us to make sure that students in Eatenville as well as the surrounding areas are well educated and however we can do that and facilitate that I am on board with. Thank you. Thank you member Fer. Let me turn to superintendent. We have one more speaker. Member Vanos. Do you want to hear from her and then be last? Okay. Member Vanos. Thank you. I just wanted to to clarify one thing

116that was just said when we talk about the taxpayers how many if we could just kind of go back to the beginning how many acres of land did we originally buy I guess from the trust I'm going to have to go back and look at it we have sold off property over the years in increments numbers that are sticking in my head, but please don't hold me to this. I will go back and get precise numbers. I think it was 300 acres that we originally have. We're down to 100 or so acres, but I will confirm those numbers and let you know. Approximately 342. It was approximately 342. Okay. So, let's say around 300 342 acres we got for about $16,000 and we have sold about 200 of those acres already. And so, what have

117we brought in, excuse me, what have we brought in from those sale from those sales? I'm I'm guessing it's somewhere between nine and 11 million, something like that. That those are numbers that are sticking in my head. Yes. Okay. So, we brought the property for $16,000 and we've brought in, let's just say around $10 million. So, I I you know, question or I hesitate to to sort of say things like we are not doing right by the taxpayers when we have greatly profited off of this property already. I just wanted to make that point. Thank you. Thank you, Member Manos. I keep thinking I'm wrapping up by calling on the superintendent. member Bird, thank you. I was just going to say what member Vanos just said was that you know I think that if you're

118looking at the benefit to the taxpayers and I think that we as a board could very easily defend this very clearly by doing right by our taxpayers by saying that our return on investment on this property has been significant. now I will say that and I think I've even asked this before. we've owned this property for such a long time and in that time beyond just that original purchase price of $16,000, we've also invested money in this property. It takes money to own a property to maintain it. I mean, there's there's costs associated with that. So, it's not it's not just that. And it's also it's important to remember that it's not like this money is lining pockets of anyone and this money goes towards the money that we make from selling property goes towards

119educating our students and building schools where we need schools built. So I believe that we've we've done right there. But I don't think that you can anyone would fault us in saying we're giving away a piece of property and that's bad for our taxpayers because I don't believe that to be so. I also believe as I said before that maintaining this property, keeping this property is also a drain on the operational budget of the of the district and that's something that we need to be looking at as well. So that's all I wanted to say on that. All right. Thank you, Superintendent Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm going to try and bring us in for a landing. And so, I've heard various comments from the board. I don't believe that there is agreement. However, what

120I have heard and I'm proposing is that you allow me and our and my staff to work with the town of Eatenville to fine-tune some of the ideas that have been pre presented today, look at feasibility, and then be able to come back to the board in a relatively short period of time to then have further discussion. I think it's clear that we want to work collaboratively with the town. We want to be able to see if there's a way for us to work in a manner that's going to not only help the town prosper, but also bring educational opportunities to our students that are currently not available. And so, Madam Chair, I'm just asking if that is the will of the board. yes and I think I certainly think the board is in agreement

121with that. I will and he air one other opinion of mine about the value to education and I think the value of Eville thriving is a tremendous education for our youth and for our whole community and for our nation. So I think there's a lot of educational value. Let me turn to member Vanos. I just wanted to comment on your on your proposal which I think is a is a great one. I would just ask that when you do meet with the town that you could let the board know so that if they want to attend, we know when the meetings are and we're able to attend and then we post them and they become public meetings. which is something that may or may not be conductive. can. So, we'll we'll leave that. the board

122had designated to your predecessor to be kind of the liaison from the board, which is why you have been at more of the meetings, but anyway, just food for I hear what you're saying, but I think we'll leave it to the superintendent and the town to decide whether we all come or you continue to represent us. Yep. I Thank you. I had forgotten about that piece of it. but yeah and I I have been to the town meetings but I have not been a part of any of the other meetings. Okay. And so I would be happy to serve in that role. Okay. Thank you Dr. Vasquez. Okay. We good Mr. Pomearini before we close out. So I just wanted to I was asked a question about how much we have spent on or gotten

123for the property over the years. It's roughly $9.6 million. Now 6.4 4 million of it was for the Florida Department of Transportation taking for a retention pond that was going they were if we didn't come to a sale agreement on that the property would have been taken from us. So that the largest portion of what we got is stuff that we were going to have to it was going to they were going to have to pay us through an eminent domain proceeding on that. So it's roughly 9.6 six. And just we looked at this previously, things that we've spent at the property, roughly $24 million to to redo Hungerford Elementary. And remember, it was another 1.15 million that we paid to the Hungerford Trust to get the restriction off the property. Yeah, that is the

124other side of the equation. I just keep thinking we're there. Member Galla. Thank you, Madam Chair. And then member Vanos and Member Vanos is really the problem here, not me. I just want to say I'm just kidding. back to member Vanos's point. Actually, I do think it's important that the board members that wish to attend attend. And I think only because it going back to member Vanos's point, because there was no bigger advocate for y'all than member Caster Dental. there just there just wasn't like she was a huge advocate and for us getting this right and doing right by the town of Eatenville. but I think it's important that we all see that not just the member that Eatenville resides in, but that we're all kind of a part of it. so that we're all

125seeing those conversations h happening as well. I think it would just move the process along a lot quicker. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, we are going to be wrapping this very soon because the mayor's grandson is losing his patience. You are adorable. And I want to wrap this up because I want to go ahead say hello because he has been just a wonderful young man, right? He has been sitting here for a very long conversation and he has now got head spinning thing going that we all need to learn. So, who is going to keep this young man waiting? Let's see. Member Vanos. Oh, hey. just to member Galla's point, I if if we want to make it public and we think that's the best way to go forward, I'm I'm with that. I think

126the more people that are in on this conversation, I think I think the better. and then I just want to also just add in one more point that I mentioned before, the 300 acres for 16,000. And one other benefit I think that we that the school district did get at that time was they were looking from my understanding to open a school for black students in either Mland or Winter Park. And they were trying to raise funds for it sort of in that 1950s time period. and they were able actually to use the school itself in Eatenville so that they did not have to build that other school. So that was like yet another benefit that we got from that transaction. So I had just forgotten to mention that earlier but just I think it's

127really important that in addition that's another benefit that we received. So thank you Dr. Vasquez bring us in for home and then a brief break. I hope I can. And so I do think it's a wonderful idea to have the meetings where whatever board member would would like to attend can. I do though believe that there may be value in having a I'll say a closed meeting before that public meeting so that we can bring not everything but we can at least have some guidelines and further clarification to speed up the process and so I'm just I'm I'm going to do the will of the board but I think there'll be there there is a need for us to work through some details that really will come out in that subsequent meeting, but that may

128be not the best use of the board's time as we're just engaging in in the details of details. Okay. In short, too many chefs in the kitchen house. Too many hands. I thought you said kids. Too many hands in the hen house. All right. This portion of the meeting is adjourned. We will come back. We're going to take a brief very brief break and then we'll come back for our rule development workshop. Thank you. Thank you. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Hey, hey, hey. Heat. Heat. Heat. Hey, Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. N. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat up here. Heat.

129Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat up here. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. All right, everyone. Welcome back in session. This rule development workshop JIC code of student conduct is in front of us today. I'm going to turn this meeting this portion of the meeting over to Dr. Vasquez. Thank you, Madam Chair. our team is bringing to you the final recommendations for our code of student conduct. the board met last week for some additional changes. this is our rule develop our rule making process. So if we have members of the public that would like to speak. No be a negative. No sorry I apologize. I can tell by the look. the presenters will only provide the updated changes. If there's any members of the board that would like for us to review any other aspects

130of that, we will be happy to do so. And so I'm going to turn it over to the team and please make sure you introduce yourselves. You want me to go chair Jacobs, school board members, Dr. Vasquez. I am Dimicky Joiner. I am the director of discipline and I have with me Akivia Haynes legal attorney that supports discipline. So we're just going to go ahead and get started. with the changes you guys requested. So, I'm going to start on page 12. on the discipline response code, level two, we added level two offenses that are determined to be acts of hate or hate crime related as defined in Florida Administrative Code Rule 6A 1.0017 007 section 8 subsection E may receive higher consequences and are upgraded to a level three offense and are required to rep

131be reported to the Florida Department of Education school environmental safety incident reporting system which is cessor and law enforcement page 17. On page 17, we added the same language for level three. Level three offenses that are determined to be acts of hate or hate crime related as defined in Florida administrative code rule 6A-1.0017 section 8 subsection E may receive higher consequences and or upgrade to a level four offense and are required to be reported to the Florida Department of Education school environmental safety incident reporting system again which is CESR and law enforcement page Page 23. Level four discipline response code. Level four offenses that are determined to be acts of hate or hate crime related as defined in Florida Administrative Code Rule 68-100017 subsection 8 subsection E are required to be reported to the Florida

132Department of Education's school environmental safety incident reporting system again which is assessor and law enforcement All right. Page 53. On page 53, parent and student notifications, we added a definition for acts of hate. We changed it from hate speech to acts of hate. pursuant to board policy add safe school and board policy JB then I'm going to come down we remove the use of hate speech would not be tolerated and violations be subject to the code and we have added an act of hate occurs when a student intentionally selects a victim because of any protective characteristics identified in board policies JB and ADD. An act of hate can be found on the basis of speech, including but not limited to threats and harassment, on the basis of conduct, including but not limited to battery or

133fighting, or on the basis of damage to property, including but not limited to theft and destruction of property/vandalism. All charges under the category of acts of hate must be reviewed with the OCPS off of legal services for compliance with law. Offenses that are determined to be enacted hate or hate crime related as defined in Florida administrative code rule 6A-1.0017 0017 section 8 section E may receive higher consequences and are upgraded to a level four offense and are required to be reported to the Florida Department of Education school environmental safety incident reporting systems and law enforcement. Okay, I'm going to move on to page 55. 55 is restitution. If a student takes or damages school property or the property of others, they may be required to pay restitution to the victim or OCPS. This obligation will

134remain on the student's discipline record until the restitution is paid in full payment plans and we remove or alternative forms of restitution. So payment plans can be arranged with the school principal. Additionally, community service may be completed in lie of costs on page 56. There are a couple changes with our cell phone wireless communication device policy. this language was added to comply with 106.07. I want to say in the help me the governor can you help me? Where did this come from? Oh, so it's just a part of the new cell phone policy that says that grades K through eight can no longer have cell phone during instructional time. That language was removed and it only now applies to high school students. Dr. Vasquez, that concludes our updates. Thank you all. Q and Mickey. Madame

135Chair, we're ready for any questions the board may have or discussion. Okay. And, we do not have any members of the public that wish to be heard. All right. Thank you. All right. member Salamanca, you're recognized. slight semantic, I guess, on the word upgraded. Is that kind of the legal term upgrades? I don't know. Something about that word bothers me. I don't know if it's like you got upgraded to a higher consequence. It's like upgrade usually is a positive thing, not a negative thing. And so, could we use like elevated? Escalated. Escalated. Escalated. All right. Yeah. Elevated sounds positive, too. Does that make sense? No, absolutely. Sounds like a positive and it's not. So, you're getting the front row. Yeah. So that's one just as plain as plain or some other not positive word. the

136other one's at the top when we define the acts of hate. So we define it ourselves and then we also reference the Florida component but we don't define the Florida component. Everywhere else when we pull it in like in the cell phone here is a section one whatever we always quotation mark and pull it in. Is there a reason not to pull it in to have it explicitly with that definition? Sorry, Madam Chair. She was turning to me. so just like a link to it like embedded within the document so somebody can click on it and the definition can they can go right to the definition. Sure. Well, my question is you know how we have right here I'm looking at the cell phone policy. It says section whatever quotation marks it defines it right

137like this is straight from that Florida statute is my guess. Yeah, that's correct. Yes. When you go to acts of hate, which is the other page, can you go to the page where it's acts of hate? No, I think she's looking for the parent notification page. Here we have the OCPS component of what we're saying it is. And then we allude at the very last sentence for administrative code rule of that to but we don't we don't point out in quotations what is the definition of that. I think it's fine if we link out to it. It was just I was curious if there was a reason we didn't quotation mark what is the Florida administrative code rule definition of that. So madam chair may I please as in working through that language I you

138know by thought by just referencing this the administrative code rule that would be sufficient I think it's sufficient here to just link to the definition and that will be f and we can do that very easily a hyperlink yeah hyperlink yes hyperlink yeah and then last question which is there anything in our language versus that language that would conflict if I'm a parent and I read this paragraph and then I click on that paragraph I don't think so. But let me give us a second to to check that. But I really don't think so. And quite frankly, whatever the state's definition is. Yeah. With respect to what we have to report up to Cessar. So doesn't matter if we define it differently. We can define it slightly more broadly for the purpose of our code.

139But whatever the state requires us to report is what we have to do under the Sesser system. Right. I was just curious if our definition and the state's definition is distinct enough or if it's just redundant and then we just link to that and we don't have to define it ourselves. So that was why I was asking that. But I don't know what the state's definition is. So I can't comment on that because I don't know if I agree with it. But I mean the I think all of the changes we talked about are definitely reflected here. My only question was on just the reasoning on defining and not defining it and if the definition is redundant or conflicting, but that's it. Thank you, Madam Chair. While you guys can obviously go on, I'm looking

140it up now just to so I can read it to you. Okay, go ahead. Because we've got nothing to go on with. Not to put you on the spot or anything. All cessor incidents, this is hate crime related. All cessor incidents motivated all or in part by hostility of the victim's real or perceived race, religion, color, sexual orientation, ethnicity, ancestry, national origin, political beliefs, marital status, age, social or family background, linguistic preference or mental physical disability are required to be reported as hate crime related. So for example there is a difference between us and the state with respect to gender identity and expression. So we can we can define it more broadly for the purposes of our code and what we are doing, but we also have to make sure we're meeting the minimum requirements

141of what the state cessor reporting system requires. So there is a slight difference between the two. So that's the reason why we have reference to our acts of hate and the state's assessor definition. and then we don't we don't have social and family background, right? Yeah, we do not. That's not part of our policy JB. But it, you know, it will be covered either way under the state's definition or our definition. Because they the state covers things that we don't and we cover things that the state doesn't. Thank you. I'm good then. Any other questions? board member. Okay. We'll we'll make the minor modifications. I don't view them to be any change to the substance of what we're covering. So we will take care of that and this will be finally adopted at your meeting

142on Tuesday. Was that it for today's business? All right. Wonderful. Any other any other comments from board members on any other I shouldn't ask. Let's go. Meeting adjourned. Just seemed to go too easy, didn't it? That's it. We done with everything. We leaving? Mhm. Oh, okay. All right. Don't forget fries on Thursday. French fries. What is Hey, pardon me. Down. Down. Heat. Heat.