School Board Meeting - October 23, 2025

001Good evening everybody. This October 23rd meeting of the Almor County School Board is now in session. Do we have a motion? >> We do. Chair Akov, I move that the school board of Alm County, Virginia go into a closed meeting as authorized by the Virginia Freedom of Information Act section 2-23711A the code of Virginia under subsection B for consultation with legal employed with legal counsel employed or retained by the school board regarding specific legal matters requiring the provision of legal advice by such council. The purpose of this item is for school division council to discuss a new complaint against school administrators and to update the school board on the progress of contract negotiations with the mile education association. >> Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Motion made by Mr. Page, seconded by Miss

002Lee. Any discussion? All those in favor? I I >> opposed. Motion passes. We're in close session. Why don't we go to the This meeting of the Almor County Board of Board of Supervisor School Board is now in session. Um, do we have a motion coming out of close session? >> We do. I move that the board certify by recorded vote that to the best of each board member's knowledge only public business matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirements the Virginia Freedom of Information Act and identified in the motion authorized the closed meeting were heard discussed or considered in the closed meeting. >> Do we have a second? >> Second >> motion made by Mr. Page, seconded by Miss Osborne. Uh Miss Thompson, can you please call the vote? Dr. Berlin, >> yes. >> Miss

003Osborne, >> yes. >> Miss Prior is absent. Miss Filman, >> yes. >> Miss Lee, >> yes. >> Mr. Paige, >> yes. >> Cherry Cup, >> yes. >> So moved. >> Motion passes. Uh, next, those who can please stand for the pledge of allegiance. United States under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> We'll now have a moment of silence before we begin. Now, I'd like to introduce a new member of the cabinet, Dr. Grant. Um, he is coming in as our new chief communications officer. He brings in more than two decades of communications experience, most recently serving as a director of advocacy and external affairs for the International City County Management Association in Washington DC. We are very glad to have him join the ACPS leadership team. Let's see, where are you? Oh,

004there he is. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome aboard. Um, next uh on the agenda is approval of the agenda. Do we have a motion? >> I move we approve tonight's agenda. >> Second. >> Motion made by Miss Lee, seconded by Miss Osborne. All those in favor? >> I opposed. Motion passes. Uh, next we have a spotlight on education and I'd like to invite our student schoolboard representative Max Coffler to read make this introduction. >> All right. Thank you, Dr. Euff. Good evening. October is National Principles Month, a time set aside to celebrate and thank the remarkable leaders who guide our schools every day. Principles do so much more than manage schedules and oversee operations. They create welcoming spaces where students feel safe, supported, and inspired to learn. They work alongside teachers and staff to make

005sure every decision centers on what best >> I didn't >> on what's best for students. And they help build the kind of school communities where we can all grow and thrive. Tonight, we want to take a moment to recognize their dedication and the difference they make in the lives of students, staff, and families across El County Public Schools. To honor them, we'd like to share a short video featuring students and staff from across our division expressing their appreciation and reflecting on the many ways principles impact their communities. >> Before we start this, I did neglect to do our roll call. So, I'll squeeze this in in between. Why don't we start with Miss Dr. Mclofflin. >> Good evening everyone. Pat Mclofflin, assistant superintendent. >> Max Milling Coughler, Monachello High School Board Representative. Judy Lee, Ravana

006district. >> Allison Spilman at large representative. >> Graham Page Miller district. >> Kate Akov, Jag JW district. >> Rebecca Berlin, Whiteall district. >> Ellen Osborne, Scotsville district. >> Roslin Schmidt, chief operating officer. >> Matthew Hall, superintendent. >> Josiah Black, school division council. >> Christine Thompson, clerk of the board. >> And Jason Grant, chief communication officer. Thank you. Now we can watch the film. Principles are so important because there's so many things that go on in a school that people just have no idea about. somehow they have to hold all of that together in their head and present a good face to the public, stay happy for their students, and support their teachers. And it's a really hard job, and we appreciate it all. >> The biggest shout out to all of our ACPS principles, for

007all of the blood, sweat, and tears, for all of the work behind the scenes, for all of the energy that you bring. Everything that you do is breathing life into our children, and we appreciate it all. Thank you. Thank you for all the principles and what they do for us. >> Thank you for all you do. >> I think what makes a good principal is someone that is able to lead with love in their heart and compassion, uh, humor, and be able to have the courage to stand up for the least represented students in the student body. >> We absolutely love our principal here in kindergarten. They do so much for us in in our grade level. They come down and she reads stories. She makes them feel so included all the time. She reaches

008out to them on our morning announcements each morning and they think it's so special. >> She's really organized which I like. So then we've got everything like planned out and ready to go. And then also she's really nice. Like she gives people like compliments in the hallway like their jacket looks very nice and stuff. >> The reason why we came into this work loving kids and wanting the best for kids. He's making sure that we live that out every single day and that really matters to me. Thank you for all the principles out there for just keeping the schools running and making sure we can do go to school safely. >> Thank you to all the principles of Alamar County. Um, every time I see all the hard work that assistant principles and principles are

009going through and do for all the teachers. Um, one I am thankful and two I realize I never want that job because it's a lot of work. Um, we really appreciate it. Thank you so much. Principles are important to the school because they keep the students safe, but they also help foster a positive learning environment. >> I've been with the county for 10 years, and I've had the chance to work with some amazing principles. Um, they are, you know, they're they're kind, they're compassionate, they they care about kids, and I'm really grateful for for the leadership that all of our principles show. >> Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You are loved, you are needed, and we appreciate you. Okay. I'd like to thank all of the students and the staff who shared their voices

010in this video and thank each of our principles for the extraordinary leadership you provide every day. Your work shapes the culture of our schools, supports our teachers and staff, and ensures that every student has the opportunity to learn, grow, and succeed. On behalf of the Alam Marl County School Board, it's my honor to recognize and thank you for your dedication and service. At this time, we would like to present each of you with the certificate of appreciation as a small token, very small token of our gratitude. Thank you. >> Thanks, Dr. Auff. We'll start with Amy Morris, principal at Broadwood Elementary School. >> Seth Canard, principal, Mountain View Elementary. >> Thank you. >> Joe McCauley, principal, Holly Elementary. Steve Saunders, principal Greer Elementary. >> Mike Irani, principal Agar Elementary. Thank you, Mr. Sanders. >> Wendy

011Eckerley, principal Murray Elementary School. >> Thank you, Mike. >> Jennifer Underwood, principal Ivy Elementary School. Thanks, Jim Ker, principal, Brownsville Elementary School. >> Morin Jensen, principal Stony Point Elementary. >> Ashby Johnson, principal at Journey Middle School. Emily Yosf, principal of the Center for Learning and Growth. >> Paula Gaitley, principal, Red Hill Elementary. And I think our our last order of business for the day is a group picture. Uh De Pat, did you want them down in the front of the >> Let's do that. Come on down. gonna be in the picture, too. >> Go in front. >> Yeah, >> I think we do that. >> This is a board event. Awkward. >> Nice to meet you. There's a >> piece of Wow. Wow. My eyes are closed. >> All right. Have some awards for the

012board. Okay. So, before we move on, I do have uh first I just want to really thank uh some thank all the board members. Um in particular, I really enjoyed spending Monday morning at IV Elementary School with Miss Spilman. We had a great time. Uh, one of the things that we really enjoyed or I know we both enjoyed with the visit was, uh, Principal Underwood has a group of students that are leaders in the school and they go as the Bluebird ambassadors and we had a chance to meet with them and two of the students greeted us when we got to the school to take us on a tour of the school. So, they really took ownership of the event. Uh, also Judy or uh and Allison, Miss Lee, Miss Spillman uh get extra credit

013because they sat through quite a lengthy slide driven presentation about budgeting for student needs on Tuesday. A lot of stamina to get through that one through that was offered through the VSBA. Uh I want to say that I want to thank our um child nutrition staff throughout the school system. I I spent um Wednesday uh several hours at Murray Elementary School with Miss Peggy and Craig uh getting lunch ready and uh washing pots and pans in the kitchen and trays and helping them to serve lunch. And you could see why the kids love our child nutrition staff and love uh having lunch at the schools. And um it was quite a pleasure. I learned a lot from them. Uh, one of the things that I think I knew but I didn't realize is that uh,

014they have frequent on the spot health inspections from the department of health and when they come in they just come in with a thermometer and start taking temperature of whatever um, the that is going to be served and so they have a high level of scrutiny in what they in the work that they're doing and a lot of regulations to follow. But Miss Peggy at uh Murray in particular really personalizes and uh does a lot of home cooking uh for the students and I know that cafeteria managers around the school system do take you know take that part of their job very seriously. And today uh we had a couple of firsts uh for the beginning of the school year. I had my first staff of the year meeting uh for breakfast this morning. It's

015all the classified staff of the year and the teachers of the year get together and it's a great interaction and engagement with them to talk about hot topics and then have conversation. The hot topic today was artificial intelligence in Almal County schools. We also did that at lunchtime with um the student cabinet. That's something new this year and Max uh is on the student cabinet. I thought we had a great meeting today. uh we had a presentation and there was the students had an opportunity to provide a lot of personalized input to uh our technology staff around artificial intelligence. So I really appreciate you coming today and um I'm looking forward to meeting for lunch several times throughout the year. It was a good meeting. I also have um special recognition for all of our

016board members from the Virginia School Board Association. Um, so I'm gonna read off each one and then and and then give it to you. Um, are you are you up? Are you doing that? Is that your role today? >> All right. Usually, yeah. So Josh and I are a team on this. Um, we have there they are all awards of excellence, which shouldn't surprise you. And so the first one will be for Ellen Osborne uh for your commitment to effective schoolboard governance through your participation in the Virginia School Board Association School Board Academy 2023 through 2025. >> And another award of excellence for Judy Lee uh for the same achievement. So, we'll go ahead and pass that off to Miss Lee. An award of distinction. Distinction for uh Graham Page for uh the same achievement.

017An award of excellence uh for Katherine Auff for VSBA School Board Academy 23 through 25. An award of recognition for Rebecca Berlin, VSBA School Board Academy 2023 2025. And award of recognition for Allison Spilman, VSBA School Board Academy 2023 25. >> Chair Atuff, I'd like to piggyback on that. Um, attorney Black, if you'll do the honors, please. I have an award of achievement for Superintendent Hos for um commitment to effective schoolboard governance through participation in the VSBA board uh academy. If you give that to Dr. Hos, please. >> Thanks, Josh. At first, thank you. >> Thanks, every Thank you, Dr. Hos. Thank you, Mr. Black. Thank you, Miss Thompson. and we need to keep doing the good work I guess. Um is there any I know that uh Mr. Coffler has it's his first time

018on the dis as a school student school board member and I know you have an introduction and something to read. Tell us. >> Yes, thank you Dr. Akuff. So once again my name is Max Coffler. I'm Monachilla High School's school board representative. So also first of all I apologize if my voice is a little croaky. We had a awesome volleyball game last night. So tonight I'll be sharing data from a survey with 95 student responses from all grade levels along with additional feedback from students who personally approached me with their ideas and concerns. So first of all I would like to talk about temperature imbalances within Montichello. Many students mentioned that certain areas of the school were uncomfortably cold while others were far too hot. Um this inconsistency can make it difficult to stay focused

019and comfortable throughout the school day. Secondly, I would love to highlight substance abuse. Many students express that almost every time they go into the bathroom, they don't they don't ne necessarily feel unsafe but uncomfortable again. And third would be the metal detectors. And 10% of students reported that they make it difficult to get to class on time and create an unpleasant start to the day. But I feel if we took this survey like now, I don't think many students would talk about the metal detectors just because we have improved on them so much. And now within Montichello, areas that are currently being improved by us are keeping the bathroom stocked and clean. Some students said that they couldn't find toilet paper or just paper towels in general. Also, school spirit. We want to have more

020assemblies and clubs as well as making sure the student body feels connected. And finally, finally, our main highlight this year is going to be on communication. With help from the student senate, we identified this to be our main goal. And we want to make sure that students feel comfortable spreading their ideas, asking for mental health, just making it so available that they don't think twice about asking for it. And finally, I want to highlight Dr. Costa actually, just because it's National Principles Month. She's been doing an amazing job really. So, thank you all so much. Go Stangs. >> Thank you. Um, and and Max, can you make a copy of that available to Miss Thompson to have put into the record? >> Yes, absolutely. >> Thank you. Is there any more uh school board or

021superintendent business? >> I was just going to give a shout out to Ralph Bradley. He um on Tuesday he and I sat on a panel at Western for gun violence prevention and he um was great talking about what we're doing to keep our schools safe, both from a mental health um standpoint and um from a safety standpoint. So, I just appreciated him having being up there with me. I thought he did a great job. I was at that at that town hall as well and I think both you and he did a great job. >> Thank you. >> Dr. Ak, one more thing. Um, >> last week I went to the um African-American teaching fellows celebration and uh teacher from Walton was honored. Deja Granger Pascal. She was honored along with the Charlottesville teacher and

022it was just a great event to see the support network that they've built. Outstanding. Any other school board or superintendent business? Then we move on to public comment and Dr. Berlin will be managing that tonight. >> Thank you. We welcome public input at our schoolboard meetings. To sign up to speak during public comment period, you can do several things online. Sign up is available from 9:00 a.m. on the Monday of the meeting week until 2 pm on the meeting day by phone by calling the school board's clerk the school board clerk's office at 4349724055 to sign up until 2 p.m. on the meeting day or in person. Sign up at the meeting is available from 6 p.m. until the public comment period for in-person meetings only. Please note that public comment is not received at

023special board meetings unless specified on the agenda. Each speaker will have three minutes to speak, but the chair with the board consent may reduce this to two minutes should there be more than 14 speakers. Tonight, we only have three speakers. So, we will stay at three minutes. Speakers should state their name, address, or voting district. Address comments to the entire school board, not to individual school board members. Limit comments to schoolboard governance or school division operations. provide written statements and supporting material to the clerk. The school board will use a tri timer to track each speaker's time. Once the time is up, speakers are asked to wrap up their comments. To maintain respect, please refrain from clapping or other audible forms of support. You may raise your hand instead. Debate with the school board is

024not allowed and the protection system is for staff presentations only. And as I noted, we have three speakers today. Laura Harrison, Phil Reese, and Jean Lockach, please approach the dis. And just remember to bring the mic to your mouth so we can uh hear you clearly. >> How's this? >> Yeah. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> Laura Harrison, Rio District. Um I'm here at first to thank Allison Spilman for having the courage to speak the truth about the hate group turning point. Naming a hate group as a hate group is never controversial. um what courage she has shown when the rest of you haven't even taken the time to condemn the vicious attacks on her or show her support in any way. While you all tiptoe around fascist feelings and fears of lawsuits, the safety of

025our LGBTQ and BIPO students is being eroded. This is not about free speech or viewpoint discrimination. This is about enabling a group whose rhetoric is an unequivocal call to violence against anyone who is not white, cis, heterosexual, and Christian. And that sounds a lot like another hate group you might have heard of. It's called the KKK. Really same values there. Um, so here are some direct quotes from the Turning Point founder Charlie Kirk. Transgender people are an abomination to God. They should be taken care of like in the 50s and 60s. Trans is a mental delusion. Prowling blacks go around for fun to target white people. We've been warning about the rise of Islam on this show to great amount of backlash. We don't care. That's what we do here. And we said that Islam

026is not compatible with Western civilization. Buy weapons, buy ammo. If you go into a public place, bring a gun with you. End of quotes. This is what you are supporting your students to organize around. It's pretty disgusting. It's a vile hate group and it's a call to violence. We also have a teacher who by all accounts is despised by her colleagues but somehow luring students into a hate group with promises of pizza and gift cards. And she's being funneled all this money from Turning Point. If that doesn't show you that they are utilizing our school, right, as a breeding ground and a recruitment area for these people to become white supremacist Christian nationalists, I think you're kidding yourselves. One of you has courage and the rest of you have a choice to make. You will

027be sued by queer students. It's going to happen. So, the question is not whether or not you will face a lawsuit. It's whether you'll face a lawsuit for having done the right thing or for having capitulated to fascists. We demand an end to all the hate group chapters in our schools. Publicly condemn the campaign of threats and harassment on Allison Spilman. Reject these white supremacist Christian nationalist cult members values. and follow your own policies on transgender students and anti-racism. >> Phil Reese Good evening. My name is Phil Ree. I'm in the Ryana district. I have three kids and Alam Marl County Schools. First, I'd like to begin by thanking you all for the time and energy each of you devote to serving our community. I know it's not easy, but thank you. I also want

028to thank you for upholding free speech in our schools. The decision the school district made a few weeks ago to allow the turning point speaker was the right decision. In the last board last board meeting, one of you spoke on behalf of the board, stating that the board disagrees with the views of the turning point speaker. And that's fine. Disagreement is part of of free speech. I have no no issues with that. But you were quick to criticize an invited speaker for their opinions on gender, yet silent when a fellow board member, Miss Spilman, compared that studentr run club to the Ku Klux Clan. Not one member of this board spoke up to condemn that. Why the double standard? Why did you condemn the Turning Point speaker, but not Miss Spilman? Do you agree with

029Miss Spilman's words? Because if you're not willing to condemn her words, you condone them. Imagine being 16 years old, part of a student-run club, and you see that a school board member compares you and your club to the KKK terrorist organization. That isn't leadership. It's bullying. >> I need the speakers to make sure they are addressing the entire board and not calling out one individual. >> I I am addressing the board. Thank you. It is bullying and our own school policies say bullying has no place in the school system. I'm asking each of you tonight to publicly reject the comment that Miss Spilman made. Show our students that the same rules apply to everyone, including board members. You ask students to stand up to bullies. I ask you, will you do the same? Thank you.

030>> Jean Lockach. >> I'm Jean Lockach uh from Crosse. I have grandkids at Western uh Elbow Marorrow. Uh and um I want to thank Dr. H for responding to my letter uh in which I objected to the decision to allow the turning point speaker uh to come and for referring me to your equal access uh policy and uh the policy about teaching about controversial issues. U but viewpoints or free speech um are not abstract. They're not just opinions. Um they can when they foster a hostile environment do real harm to students. And so I don't see a policy about that will help you decide when you've crossed a line and are allowing a speaker who will target some of your students. So where do you draw the line? Would you welcome a speaker who was

031a Holocaust denier and thereby create a hostile environment for your Jewish students? Would you permit a speaker who touted the advantages of slavery and thereby create a hostile environment for black students, many of whom in this district are descendants of slaves? Would you allow a speaker to come and u allege that Turning Point USA is part of a white Christian nationalist u national organization with an agenda, a white supremacist agenda to turn the US into a fascist theocracy? Would you permit that point of view when it would clearly target and harm the students in Turning Point USA? And finally, you have invited or welcomed a speaker who um invalidates the existence of transgender students and I think probably that will help foster a hostile environment for those students. So free speech or viewpoint diversity, whatever

032you want to call it, are in tension with safety of all of your students. I plead with you, urge you to take on a moral responsibility to put the safety of all of your students before simply the minimum of following the law. Thank you. Thank you to all of our speakers for their comments tonight. Thank you. >> The next item on our agenda is approval of the consent agenda. Do I have a motion? >> I move we approve the consent agenda. >> A second. Motion to approve the consent agenda made by Miss Lee, seconded by Miss Osborne. All those in favor? >> I opposed. Motion passes. Um, our work session is next. Uh, almost all of the work session will be focused on capital and our capital needs and a report from our long range

033planning advisory committee. But first, Miss Kumazawa. Good evening, school board. My name is Maya Kumazawa, director of budget and planning. This evening, I'm going to um present the capital improvement plan recommendations along with the long range planning advisory committee. I'll first start with an overview of the CIP program and also provide some information. >> Excuse me, Miss Thompson. Is it possible to turn the volume up a little bit? >> Thank you. >> I'll also go over um ongoing programs that include our maintenance and replacement programs. Next, I will review some background information. That's the data um and the information that drove a lot of the decision-making and prioritization. And then um we will present the LRPAC recommendations. And then finally, there will be time for discussion of the presentation. This is a high-level look at

034what the CIP or the capital improvement plan development process looks like. Um the first step is for the LRPAC, the long range planning advisory committee to present their recommendations. This happens on a bianual basis. It's a comprehensive recommendation. During the off years or the um non the years where we don't make a comprehensive recommendations there can be updates to the CIP but mostly to move the years forward and bringing in a fifth year or update costs after the pres presentation um after the recommendations the request goes to the school board. Um it is the school board's request at that point to approve or amend what was presented um in preparation for a joint work session with the board of supervisors in December when the request will be discussed. In February, the county executive will include

035the CIP, the proposed CIP as part of the recommended budget in the county's budget document. And then in March, the board of supervisors will discuss the presented budget and make any changes. um and set tax rates. In April or May, the board of supervisors um as part of their budget process, they will appropriate the first year of the capital improvement plan program and they will adopt a five-year plan. So, um the five-year plan is adopted each year, but that can change during the budget process and only the first year is appropriated um as part of the budget. On July 1st, the fiscal year begins and funding for the capital projects would commence as well. This is another look at the process in a little bit more detail with specific dates. Um today's work session's purpose

036is to um listen to the recommendations that are presented um to discuss those recommendations and propose any changes and then prepare for the approval of your CIP request which is at the next meeting on November 13th. This is a summary of the current adopted CIP. So from the current year FY26 through FY30, we have projects totaling $81.9 million and they include the Northern Feeder Pattern Elementary School, high school renovations, Ace Academy at Lamb's Lane, and Mountain View Upper Elementary School. Separately, we also have ongoing programs that mostly comprise our maintenance replacement programs. We have project management services, school bus replacement, school maintenance and replacement, and school network infrastructure. These ongoing programs over five years total $17.7 million. I'll next go over the um next five-year request for the ongoing programs. So, the first one is

037project management services. Um, these are mostly costs of five FTEEs that are employees of ACPS building services that provide CIP and project management services and a small amount of operating costs. Um, this request is for the CIP to reimburse the ACPS budget to cover these costs that um, several years ago were part of the CIP and were transferred over to ACPS. The services remain the same. Um the costs have been updated for current staffing. It assumes a 3% salary increase and commensurate benefit cost increases. And then it also assumes an increase in the um healthcare premium. The next ongoing program is school bus replacement. Now this request is for $30 million over five years. Uh this program funds the replacement of school buses and ancillary equipment um for about 30 buses per year. And uh

038there is a significant increase in this request um largely driven by new EPA emissions guidelines that apply to buses manufactured um starting that are starting to be manufactured in 2027. Um that's driving an about 15% increase. And so with that plus inflationary increases, um the request is to increase the five-year program by $6.2 million, but maintains the same level of services. The next ongoing program is school maintenance and replacement. This is our largest program at $78.4 million. There are no substantial changes in this project request. um it simply takes out FY26 and adds on the fifth year of FY31. And then finally um our last ongoing program is our school network and AV infrastructure program. Um this program provides resources and technical support for the communication and data infrastructure throughout the division. Um there is

039a new request that's been added this year um as to replace and purchase AV infrastructure. This infrastructure would support the necessary construction for installation and supplies needed for large group meeting locations at our schools. The increased request is about $1.4 million. Um some drivers of that increase include increase in data center battery backup cost, capacity and battery life, an adjustment in the web filter system renewal cycle, and then as I mentioned the addition of AV infrastructure costs that were previously not included. In summary, uh these are the four ongoing programs you can see over five years. The and the five-year total and the total ongoing programs request is $119.4 million. Are there any questions about any of these? >> I think we're good. >> All right. Next, I'll jump into the background of the data

040um and the information that was used um to drive the decision the decisions made around the recommendations as well as the prioritization. We'll start first with a look at um a population growth forecast for Alamar County. Um the orange columns represent the population um for every decade in the county and then the forecasted growth uh the source is Welden Cooper and um they project that the county will grow over 30 years by 36%. Um relative to that Virginia is anticipated to grow by 20%. So this is here to show that Alamore County is growing quicker than the rest of the state. These are the ACPS student enrollment projections. Um, as you know, in recent years, we've been up and down, but overall we are still increasing steadily. Over the next 10 years, this represents about

041an 8% growth rate, which is a little less than the population, but that has been the trend um historically as well. looking um more closely at each of our school buildings. This is a chart that shows elementary and middle school um enrollment. So the blue columns indicate the number of students that we have this year and then the dots that are floating above it or in it that's the capacity. So for example, Agnar's dot um oh sorry I flipped it. It's like Agnar's over capacity. Um, Agnar's dot is the number of students and then their building capacity is the blue column. So, they're kind of like buildings. Um, so you can see that they're over their capacity. Um, Mountain View's capacity number includes the planned new building that will open next year. So, you can

042see that with the addition of Mountain View upper, um, there'll be plenty of capacity for K5 for Mountain View. Next is the high school building capacities. And again, as you can see, and we will discuss throughout this evening, that all three of our high schools are over their capacities. Um, and over to the right, we do have ACE Academy at Seminal Place and ACE Academy at Lamb's Lane. Um, we are including the student enrollments within their base schools. And so you can see since it's not exactly defined which students will attend the ACEMIES the student counts are at zero for ACEM but you can see the additional capacity that those schools will provide album's capacity does include the planned connector wing which will add 115 seats that is included in the blue column and that's

043planned to open during the school year and Another way to look at the capacity versus enrollment of our schools are is a list of our mobile classrooms that we currently have. You'll see that um in the previous charts where schools were over capacity, they often have mobile classrooms as a short-term or temporary solution. Um and and we will be talking about most of these schools as part of the project recommendations and looking further into the long term probably past the um next 5 10 years. Um this is a summary of the Alberal County residential development pipeline. So the map on the left is a map of the county divided by our high school boundaries and you can see um in the red outlines those are the development uh the development projects that are currently underway.

044So you can see many of them are along 29 north in the pink boundary which is Albamarl. We have many in Cros at Western and a few down in the Montichello district um as well. I'll point out the most significant number of developments. Those are happening at North Fork, North Point, Holly, and Brook Hill. And all these developments are along the 29 North corridor. And we'll spend some time on that this evening. Looking at it in a bit more detail, um this is a these are some tables by school and how many unbuilt units there are. um unbuilt units that are in the approved pipeline. So you can see for the county as a whole there are 11,230 units that are unbuilt. This is as of April early this year so it's just a few

045months old. Um some notable elementary boundaries include Agar Baker Butler and Holly. Um at the middle school level it's largely in Burley and Lakeside and at the high school level largely in Albamarl and these are all um units that have been approved or are byite. This next slide these are um units that are under review. So they're not they're not approved yet but it's important to consider that they may be upcoming. And so, um, it's a lot of the same boundaries. Most notably for elementary schools, this would be Agar and, uh, Red Hill. And then at the middle school level, Burley and Walton. And then at the high level, Albamarl. So, these are not approved yet, but we're keeping an eye on. And then finally, I wanted to bring your attention to our master plan

046studies. These are studies that uh we have conducted over the last several years and all of the detail and information that are driving the recommendations are included in these master plan studies. So if you're curious and want to read more, I would encourage you to read them. There's a lot of information in them and not enough time to present them. Although we have presented summary levels of these um over the past several years and there's also um easy URLs for those who can't access the links. And then at the bottom are our facility assessments. So these are the conditions of each of our school buildings um that are studied from a lot of uh in terms of their aesthetics, their capacity and their HVAC systems. All the systems that make up that building have been

047studied in detail and we have all those assessments at these links as well. And you will see that the recommendations are also driven by a lot of these condition reports. I'll pause here again for any questions on the background. >> Two quick questions. Um on slide 18, you said um that pipeline, what is like do you know what the timeline is of for those buildings? Um it is probably I would say 15 20 years is fairly average. We do look at um each project and community development gives us data on when they think they'll come online, but >> Okay. >> The real answer is it's unknown. >> Yeah. But Okay. >> But >> yeah, but it's I mean it's safe to say some of those units are coming on in six months. >> Okay. So

048anywhere from six months to 15 years and then I mean would you say the same for the or under under the review or under or like if we look at under review are we talking things that could be 30 years out? I mean, I know it's so it's a guesstimate, but it's okay. 20ish up to 20. Okay. And then the last question is the um I guess it's three questions. Sorry. Um uh the when was the last time we updated the elementary and middle school facilities? When did I just >> the assess the assessments? Sorry, the assessment. When were those I can't remember when those reports were done. You're talking about the ones that are referenced in the previous slide >> uh on slide 20 just those the two where we say red yellow green

049>> those are releases right >> yeah so um we first published the elementary school facilities condition assessment two years ago uh in 20 uh 20 uh three um we updated that assessment as well as introduced this new middle school facility condition assessment so those are new newly published as part of this report >> right now. Okay. And so those would have take anything we did those the the summer projects those would have been included like >> that's correct. Yes. >> Thank you very much. >> I should introduce myself. I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm Matt Worman, director of building services. Sorry. And I'm here to answer any questions. >> Any other questions? >> Jerry Cuff. >> Miss Kumazaw. I know we all read with great interest the announcement a couple weeks ago that global pharmaceutical giant Astroenica

050is going to build a massive factory in the county. It'll be its largest factory in the world. Uh I have to believe that that's going to result in the influx of several thousand new residents of Alamoral County. And my question is do these population projections and enrollment projections take into consideration this new development? >> I don't see that they would. No. >> Fasten your seat belts. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And you may not know this. >> Graham, you're sorry. >> Um, with Red Hill, do you know where those housing units are going to be built? >> That's going to be an urban close to the school. It's this. It's a se It's called Sie and it's at the uh intersection of 29 and 64, I believe, in that area. So, it's right on the edge

051of their boundary. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And that's an interesting one. Um we've had some debate among staff, right? You could redistrict that and move it to your Mountain View capacity, but there's a lot of benefit to keeping them in Red Hill and making but in order to do that, you would have to expend expand that facility. That project's not in this list, not but that school would benefit from, >> right? >> It's already our our smallest school. What about 200 kids? >> Yeah. So, >> so it would benefit. >> We're going to follow that development closely. We'll have to make some decisions on it. >> Okay. >> Any other questions for Miss Kumazawa now? >> Okay. take this side. >> So, we'll be excuse me tag teaming this a little bit. There's no convenient

052way to do this. So, >> tag teaming is fine. Just introduce yourself. >> Of course. My name is David Storm. I'm the Scotsville appointee to the Long Range Planning Advisory Committee. I was first appointed in 2018. Um, I'll also mention that for seven years I served on the fifth and Avon CAC. So, I can talk a little bit about development work, but not a ton. Um, I also am currently the Scotsville appointee to the economic development authority. I can talk a little bit about what Astroenica may be bringing. Um, as long as, uh, it's it's stuff that's been out there. But really, I'm here to talk about our long range planning proposals. >> And I am Kate Barrett. I have served on the long-range planning committee since 2017 as a superintendent appointee. I reside in

053the Ryana district and I am the current chair of the committee. Today we are bringing you a recommendation covering 21 different projects totaling 547 million in needs-based recommendations. This request is largely built upon previous comprehensive requests presented with a focus on school capacity issues at each of our three levels and building renovation needs. As mentioned previously, Elmoral County's population is expected to grow by 36% over a 30-year window, and there are currently 11,000 plus homes, uh, residential housing units approved in the development pipeline. An additional capacity for students will continue to be a large need for the division. Our largest or our highest priority recommended projects include the construction of a new elementary school in the northern feeder pattern, land acquisition for any future projects that may arise, construction of a new high school. Our

054highest priority recommended projects for renovation include Stony Point Elementary School and Elmar High School. For ease of discussion today, we've broken this into five categories. Our capacity projects, which are shown there, our renovation projects, the Lamb's Lane master plan, school walk zones, and then our capital needs assessment. >> So, we're going to start off with our greatest long-term needs, which are capacity. So while you have read the ranked order in the um presentation that you were provided earlier in order to maximize efficiencies of scale and cost where possible that is what you see when you look at the rankings themselves um we've chosen to group them together just so you can understand the different categories that we were um discussing throughout the the past school year. um the proposed timing of capacity in those projects

055that you see are specifically in alignment with the projected growth that we're looking to in the county. So the committee itself had a lot of lengthy discussion this year around how to minimize costs and maximize the benefit of any capital improvement projects that we brought to you today. So, we're going to start with one that's already on the docket. Um, the northern feeder pattern in elementary school. Um, this was the first comprehensive elementary school or school uh since Baker Butler, which opened in 2002. So, it's been a it's been a minute since we've added a school to our district. Um, as uh stated earlier, Baker Butler and Holly meat elementary schools are currently overcrowded. Um, student population is projected to continue to grow in those areas and we're looking at the highest impact of more

056than 900 students. There is a 10acre site for which the new elementary school was profered as part of the resoning of the North Point development on 29 North and it's a fully graded site which saves us a little bit of money um, which is always nice. And the design of the school is scheduled to begin in financial year 27 with construction beginning the following year in 28 and the opening of the school beginning in school year 2930. Our second priority item is land acquisition for a future project. U we see this need occurring not only in the next five years but in the period beyond that. We know that El Marl County continues to be a desired place to live, to work, to grow a business, to raise a family, and that's not going to

057change in the in the near future based on the actions that we're seeing. So, our recommendation for land acquisition in the first year of the CIP um reflects that need. And we also know that barring something that we don't really want to think about in terms of an economic collapse, land prices are only going to continue to rise. The comprehensive high school, which we are recommending, does not include the acquisition of land for high school in its costs. So that is one piece that we may want to have some land for. Phase three of the middle school study recommends construction of a new middle school to deal with capacity issues. We may need to acquire land to put a new middle school on. Elementary school construction. We continue to anticipate a need for following the

058construction of a school in the northern feeder pattern. We look to the western feeder pattern for need and quite possibly elsewhere in the urban ring. We have on our list a preschool center which would be a great opportunity for some consolidation for some efficiencies of scale to provide some desperately needed expansion of highquality preschool opportunities in the community. The division needs administrative space. We don't talk about this very much, but they are scattered throughout different locations where they are leasing space. So from a standpoint of being able to consolidate those operations that would be good and then an operation center when we talk about so we talk about um building services technology child nutrition in the lease space and lastly the lambs lane master plan includes moving the vehicle maintenance facility and we don't have

059a spot for that. All of these different uses would require land that the division does not currently have. So having money appropriated for the acquisition of land would help us in any number of ways as we move through this CIP and into the out years. Okay. So comprehensive high school um this has always been a big topic uh around our table and for several years and so we are here once again to recommend a comprehensive high school. uh be considered by the school board. There are multiple alternatives for addressing this which have incur uh including current and future capacity conflicts with all three comp comprehensive high schools. Those al alternatives include a new high school center, additions to buildings on existing high school campuses and a new comprehensive high school. Based on the schoolboard guidance,

060the long-range planning committee recommends the construction of a new high school. And the reasons supporting this recommendation include adequate long-term capacity and the limiting size of the existing high schools that we have. Long-range P planning also encourages the community to continue advocating to the Commonwealth to enact the ability for all localities to submit to local voters a referendum for the 1% sales tax that would be dedicated to the construction of all school projects. This comprehensive high school in our initial design is 14-600 students. It would be in the northern feeder pattern where we're seeing the majority of the growth. Design and construction on this timeline would be proposed in year 28 through 31 with a projected opening in school year 3132. So you can see from this chart there's a phased roll out of multiple

061projects in order to meet our capacity needs within the county. Um the connector wing which opens at Almoral this school year will add 115 seats. ACE at Lamb's Lane opens the next school year and that will add 400 seats for the county. The design and construction for the new high school will take longer given the scale of the project. So we are projecting four years for that and the timing is structured to align with the greatest capacity conflicts which start in the fall of 2031. Currently that would mean our third graders that are attending school now will be our ninth graders potentially in this new high school. So this is an example of a fit test that was um done on the one existing site we could entertain um which was the site um just

062west of 29 and north of Ryana along Burkar Drive. But this site is not without several challenges um including two streams that cross um as you can see in the white in the to the right and almost to the middle um The stream to the right is an intermittent stream and the one to the left is an active stream. Um the property has steep terrain. It has um it would need a geotechnical study. We would need um consulting around the streams in terms of whether we could mitigate that. Um and um right now the convenience center is currently slated to actually be developed on part of this property. The entire property itself is only 58.4 acres and the red shading is the usable portions of this site given this fit test without streams being adjusted.

063And that constitutes about 30.4 acres of usable space which is just below the VDOE recommendations for the size of school that we would have. This design on site assumes that the intermittent stream has been mitigated. That would also require the US Army Corps of Engineers to intervene and approve the design. Um, we could ask them to look at both streams being addressed. That's the risk. um if we decide to go forward with this, if the board decides to go forward with this particular property, that's one of the potential sunk costs is the investment in a consulting um project to see if that could even happen. This would this particular site would give us the same number of tennis courts as Alberal and Montichello, the same number of practice fields as Alamar and Western, but there's

064not enough space to actually construct additional roads on the high school. So there's a little bit of transportation um design that we have to get creative with. And lastly, the site doesn't have adequate space for hor horizontal expansion. So if we are going to build a high school on this site, we have to go up. We're looking at three to four stories, which would require special circumstances from the county. Um and so there's there's a lot of there's a lot of paperwork that would be involved with this site. However, it is possible assuming that um several of these things can be mitigated. One thing I didn't mention when I was introducing myself, I am the father of three Almar County Public School students. I have a fourth grader at Mountain View who is very excited

065about his new school for next year. I have a sixth grader who is at Burley and an eighth grader who is at uh the community lab school. So, um, I did want to share that with you because this project I get to know a little bit about because I'm in that building on a fairly regular basis. This is a recommendation to, uh, add to and renovate Community Lab School to increase admissions from the current 240 students to about 400 students. It's a two-story edition would include new classrooms, a dedicated media center. Their current library are carts in the hallway, um, and a specials community with direct access to outdoor programs. Uh, there would be some heavy renovations to the existing facility to allow some gathering space in the common space that they don't really have.

066That is something the principal has been uh very active in requesting. Um there will also be moderate renovations to provide additional administrative, teacher and academic support spaces and some external uh recommendations for the parking. Uh as you may as you probably do know, this was built in 1959 as Rose Hill Elementary School and a school designed for elementary school students having middle and high school students walking through the hallways. It's a little bit of a a different fit for them. >> Can I just ask one little question? I know that uh community lab school does not have a cafeteria and they get their their meals brought over from Burley. I was surprised not to see that on your design or your list of improvements. >> There is a kitchen listed here from seeing it. Right

067below the multi-purpose room, right? >> I think that's right below the multi-purpose room. >> Okay. Um I I again this is a proposed plan. It can certainly be >> I just addressed >> I didn't know if you were just relying on Burley to keep bringing the lunches over or not. >> Yeah. You know it's it's something that my eighth grader has talked about the fact that they don't have that that same capability. >> Before I move on to Western I want to add another point to Alamo. There are several um but the are the expansion of for the new high school with the convenience center currently located or planned to be on the site that we >> reviewed. If the board decided to go forward, we'd need to move pretty fast >> in the Right.

068Right. We have in my conversations with the county, we've talked about the recycling center and moving the transportation center over there. We're I mean >> I don't know what land costs are right now. We can talk about that later, but it's not ideal. Just the elevation, how much >> Agreed. >> Dirt will have to be moved. >> It's not It's not the best location. It is a location that we have. So, >> the price was right when we got it, >> right? 100%. >> Okay. So, Western Almar, um, as we said, Almar School or Elmoral County in general, all of the high schools and their additions are pretty much a temporary fix. It's not going to be a long-term solution. um for the capacity that we're looking at as we come into the next 10

06920 years. Um the Western Hmer addition proposal does address current capacity issues and the high school is currently over capacity by 189 students and it's anticipated to be over capacity by as many as 333 students over the next 10 years. So that is a significant jump. So while ACE Academy could provide some potential relief, as we all know, it's it's a jaunt from Western to the Lambslane campus. So it's not necessarily dependable um for us to rely that we're going to move all of that capacity immediately over to the Lanslane ACS campus. There is currently one eight classroom unit used by the students at Western Elmoral High School and the 2000 in 2023 um we had a master plan study recommendation for an optional project for Western Almeral. This is we're bringing this back um

070for a topic discussion and the proposed recommendations for this optional project included a twostory addition with 9200 square ft with a new administration wing on the ground floor and four new classrooms on the second floor. So portions of the existing second floor and the existing ground floor office space would be renovated to accommodate additional four to six classrooms. This would allow us to remove our trailers at Western. Um would also provide a small group space and some additional common area for the students in the design. This project does assume that we do not need additional bathrooms in this in the design. So they were not included. So that would be an additional cost if we decide we want to add those. Our last project in terms of addressing some uh capacity issues is the consideration

071of a preschool center in the urban ring. Most uh division elementary schools host these programs with participants living both in the respective elementary school district and neighboring district. Since the programs cannot be offered at all of the schools, centralizing these services may provide a higher level of service. Greater preschool capacities and cost efficiencies. Providing adequate capacity for K5 instruction continues to be a challenge. Pulling the preschools out of the existing K5 schools then opens those classrooms and gives us a little more flexibility that we can then time into um whatever construction down the line of additional high uh elementary schools that we might need. Um and so this is uh a way to address a handful of things um and with hopefully the ability to um maybe expand preschool offerings in the county which we

072as we know is just a continuing need for families uh of kids who are pre kindergarten. Do you have even a ballpark dollar amount that we could pencil lightly lightly in? >> We'll work on that before the um pardon. >> We'll work on that before the joint. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> There's some debate about size of it. >> Right. >> It's my understanding that we have what 9 to 11 prek classrooms in the urban ring schools now that we could we could move. Okay, >> there's the prek and then there's the early childhood special ed as well. So, those could all go potentially. >> Okay, so now we're going to move on to renovation projects. So, while we know the uh division consistently and adequately funds our ongoing maintenance, there are many buildings

073that are still due for comprehensive renovations that will more efficiently and holistically bring our aging buildings up to date. So, some of these projects are for schools that have been passed over due to capacity. They are not threatened by capacity. They are either steady or losing capacity um in their schools. However, they are some of the oldest schools in our division. The first is a personal passion project of mine because my kids all went to Stony Points. Um, this is a sweet little school. If any of you have visited, you know, um, it's, uh, it's the oldest school we have. Um, and it shows. Uh, so there's not a lot of natural light in some of the areas where we have natural light in other existing facilities. So, a big part of the goal is

074to bring this up to up to par with those schools that have been renovated. um the highest priority um in this recommendation is selected based on the comprehensive facilities conditions assessment. So the assessment was developed as we already discussed by the county and we've been looking at for the last two years on the committee. Um it's been a an invaluable guide to us in terms of deciding which school comes first in any of our recommendations and which schools are needing the most um attention. Some of the significant improvements that you would see at Stony Point include bus and car lane changes. Uh right now for those of us that live in that area, we can see car lines going around 20 in the morning and the afternoon when parents are coming for drop off. Um

075which is not exactly the safest sharp hair pin turn that I would want a car full of children um with. So expanding that um and would mitigate some of that drive out or the the hang out over into the 20 area. The plan also would remove the existing trailers and take those classrooms into an inside space. So we would encapsulate additional classrooms um near there. Uh we would utilize that space where the trailers exist uh for additional parking which is also in need at the facility. Um, this would also include an extension in the cafeteria with more light and more space, which they need both of an addition um to the library, which would include uh some light because there's one tiny little window in that room. Um, and they're over stuffed with their with

076their books. So, there's not a whole lot of space in that particular area. And then in addition, we would move the stage and add some additional storage, which would be potentially lost from the storage that's being used in one of those trailers right now. The second elementary school uh improvement and addition we are recommending is to Murray Elementary. Um the the highlights of of doing this would be relocating student support spaces from corridors to dedicated spaces which would allow those corridors then for student gathering. Uh adding abundant daylight. Enlarging the library by relocating some resource spaces. Creating some tutoring and collaboration spaces in each wing. Building a five to six classroom addition with some support spaces which would allow us to remove the trailer that has been at Murray. And then uh external site improvements

077are are fairly comprehensive here. Resurfacing courts, replacing and repairing equipment, installing a canopy for car riders, replacing um adding additional asphalt services. Um and then upgrading the fields uh which get continuous use year round. Um and then creating an accessible path to the lower playground field. This is a pretty standard thing that you're going to be hearing as we talk about our elementary schools in terms of that that haven't gotten the the renovations that some of the the other ones have recently and just trying to bring them up to a more equitable standard across the county. >> So, this may sound a little bit like a repeat um but the next is Broadus Wood. So, this is our second oldest school in the district. And this also includes some site improvements for bus lanes and

078parking and car lanes. It would also add a covered portico for those students that are dropped off, so they wouldn't have to walk um in the rain in order to get into the school. It's a it's a decent amount of sidewalk they have to cover in order to get into the school. Um this would also include renovation of the external um athletic fields and track which are in a little bit of a disrepair. They've been well loved. Um there's also an extensive um path walking path around the school which has been um covered in roots I should say. Um so it's a little hard. It's very hard for anyone um in a wheelchair or with limited mobility to access that site. So, we'd like to add some asphalt around there so that we can add

079um a much more accessible walkway around the school. Inside, we're looking at adding a maker space um in addition to a rear corridor or courtyard. Again, moving a stage um and coordinating off the old stage to be a permanent classroom that it serves right now. um new restrooms that would be ADA accessible, relocating the clinic for accessibility, um and adding hardcapes to um save on maintenance costs in the future and re reconfigure the administrative suite and staff lounge. >> Toward the end of the five-year window, uh we are recommending additions and improvements to Greer and Hollyade. Those really need to be studied at this point, but you can figure that they're going to be along the same lines as those that we are already have been making in terms of recommendations. You can see from

080some of the pictures, right, the use of the learning cottages, and you can see the use of the hallways for storage, neither of which is optimal at this point. Um, we're also recommending a new uh second elevator at Mountain View. This will be Mountain View Primary. Um the current uh plan is to have the upstairs at Mountain View become the uh art and music area. Currently they've have um fourth graders up there. So that's sort of just those groups up there and they're only going up and down for their activities. But if you've got your essentials um or your specials up there, you'll see a lot more traffic going up and down. The current elevator does not fit a standard uh EMS gurnie at this point. So the the fourth grade teachers and I, as

081I mentioned, my fourth grader, his teacher mentioned, well, we got trained on using the slide again this fall. And it's it's a hard thing to hear when that's going to be the way they need to be able to move uh those people around. Okay. So, the high school improvements at Almar also include an elevator um again for the same reason. So, all the schools that we have recommended an elevator addition to within their projects are related to access um for contemporary gurnies to be utilized and also to enable access for students with mobility issues to actually get to their classes one time. Um the locations can tend to be a bit of a challenge for some of those students depending on where their classes are. The breezeway and hallway improvements, uh there's locker room improvements,

082collaboration areas will be added, sprinkler systems will be added where they didn't exist before. Um and we'll add some expansion and daylighting in the basement and the art swing. I did I did want to go back briefly to we'll go this way back. Um the recommendations and the improvements at Greer would also include some of the lambs improvements that are mentioned there in terms of the bus loop and the parking reconfiguration. So that would be included as part of the Greer um improvements, not necessarily as part of the Lamb's Lane when we get to that a little bit later. Coming back to western Al Marl improvements include full corridor improvements, commons improvements, windows upgrades, a small classroom addition in the athletic wing, a maker space expansion, um teacher space improvements, special education area improvements, uh

083again uh windows upgrades, and then the conversion of four sets of communal restrooms to single user restrooms, and again an elevator addition here. Um you're hearing sort of the same thing in a lot of these um that we're seeing in terms of some of the space needs that we've got. Montichello since it's the newest um does not have as many extensive u addition or improvement recommendations but we are recommending the conversion of four sets of communal restrooms into single-user restrooms to match the other schools as well as an additional elevator for this facility for the same reasons. Starting this year, uh, the division operates the intensive support center, Post High, and the Center for Learning and Growth at the Trailhead Learning Community, formerly Ivy Creek. With that, uh, adoption of of those centers, um, some

084renovations are needed, including parking, playground, furnitureures, and fixtures and equipment, post high facility programming, renovations to provide life skills that are unique to that community. Um, we've got here a picture of a potential uh parking reconfiguration. Nothing's really been been specked out yet. This is just one potential option there. And Walton Middle School is also on the list this year for FY 29 and 30. Um the project scope includes a renovation to improve the school so we can conduct um redistricting studies as well that would go in hand inand with this. So as a result of the studies the division may redistrict students to Walton to better fit and act um and meet its current capacity of 501 students which it is not at as we um all know. The renovations would also include improvements

085within the current footprint. So we are not adding square footage. we are staying within the bounds of the actual school. Um based on the looming overcrowding issues that we're seeing at Henley and at Crosse and Jouri at the Lambs Lane campus, um a redistricting study would be recommended as as part of the middle school um adjustments that we might need to make in the county. Our last uh school improvement project for this CIP is uh improvements to Berley Middle School with funding for design work in fiscal year 31 to renovate and improve to equitable standards. Um construction funds would be in the capital needs assessment moving forward. But this again is just part of that comprehensive look and the middle school's plan that you've uh had a chance to look at in terms of a

086very comprehensive way to improve and address all the middle schools through the process. Okay. So the remaining three categories we have put in one uh one segment of the presentation. First is the lamb's lane master plan and the work that we are proposing is the loop road as we know um would be proposed for financial year 27 and the journey loop in 31. So um years 1 through five include that design and construction of the main loop road from Lamb's Lane to hydraulic with um the associated wayfinding signage etc. and the construction of the new Greer bus loop which we mentioned earlier and parking configuration would also be a a project that was a portion of the lambs lane master plan but that is included in the greer um numbers design for journey middle school

087bus loop and parking configuration are also included in years 1 through five and then in years 6 through 10 we would construct the journey middle school bus loop and parking reconfiguration the design of the Elmor High School bus loop loop and the parking lots. So, you're seeing a lot of road construction in this um phase um as well as um movement potential movement of and the design of the transportation facility, construction of the transportation vehicle maintenance facility, um construction of the north section of the main loop road, and construction of the new Almor High School athletic fields. We are also seeking money over each of the five years in the CIP for schoolw walk zone improvements and expansion. These were uh started in 2021 by the division in response to the national bus driver shortage.

088Um however um there could be some unusual safety hazards involved, railroad crossings, lack lack of a safe crosswalk infrastructure, topography, road curvature, things that make it dangerous for pedestrians um and difficult for drivers to have them to see. There are currently 12 schools with approved walk zones and this would allow us to uh expand the number not necessarily the distance involved in terms of how far the students would have to walk as that's based on the age of the students and the age of the schools. This graphic just shows a a proposed one for Woodbrook Elementary. Uh the solid line is an existing trail and the dotted green lines would show the connection in to the neighborhood. Um however there is a stream crossing that creates a barrier and so we would have to do

089a little extra work there to be able to do that. Okay, which leads us to our final um category which is capital needs assessment which is would be in years 6 through 10 and that would include the administrative spaces that we mentioned earlier, operations facilities, uh the potential for an urban ring elementary school which based on projections we'll need to start planning for and the continuation of existing CIP projects such as the middle school master plan master plan study the elementary school improvements and additions, the Lamb's Lane master plan, and the school walk zones. And if anyone has now it's we're open for questions. >> Why don't we um do it by section? Let's bunch of capacity questions. We can ask those and we'll just go section by section if that works for you all.

090>> Sure. Sure. Miss Lee, do you have >> Um, I don't have any. >> Okay. >> Um, did you look at any other sites for the high school? Well, one thing I was surprised how high up it popped up, you know, with uh North Point has already been approved. So, that's Yes, it's number one, but it's not really number one. Yeah. >> Um and uh so I was surprised. Um well, I don't even know what to say. >> I think Well, just to give you a little idea of why we ranked it high more highly is because of the length of the project. So we it's urgent that we do start it sooner rather than later in order to meet capacity needs. I guess in thinking about it, I have what I would hope is

091that with four high schools in the 1500 student capacity um and also of course expanding community lab school. We would be looking at solving the capacity issue for our high schools for a generation plus. Is that >> that is the hope. Well, there that is the hope, but I mean that that's the way I would think about it. I know uh well um Miss um I have you were talking um on the comprehensive high school location and you were talking about um consulting cost. Um do you have an idea of what you were saying was a sunk cost obviously because we could lose it. Do you have an idea of what that cost would be? The initial sunk cost if just for cons the consulting fee would be around $120,000 I think. Okay. Right. >>

092Thank you. >> Okay. My question I guess is sort of hypothetical but if um the subdivision that's shown on that first chart is build and Red Hill would be accepting no students. I don't see anything on here. So, I guess that idea wasn't thought about or discussed at all, right? Because it's not anything on um the recommendations involving Red Hill. >> No, it wasn't. This um so this proposal first came uh was proposed I think back in 2020 or 2021. Um the developers went away, did some more planning, um some more thought with it. They brought it back to the planning commission recently. Um and they uh requested another deferral at this point. So So there's they're a long way from from anything. So they would have a reasonzoning first. Um, and then they would

093have to to look at when they would do the construction. Much like with what with what we see at Southwood, a development of that size wouldn't be overnight. You're seeing at Southwood the phasing of their neighborhoods. I think they're up to neighborhood three. They just did their neighborhood two um dedication a few weeks ago. Um so so it's not firm enough as a proposal yet um because they they're in the pipeline right that's one of those pipeline projects and not a by right project at this point. So, so they couldn't build that number of homes in that location without and probably a couple of years at least lead time in which case then we can start to figure out for the 27 um recommendations that we would probably have to do something and look at

094at Red Hill at that point. Good. Thanks. >> I mean, one of the challenges we always have as a school board is making recommendations and knowing that capacity trumps everything else, which is why Stony Point school hasn't been touched enough and we never get to those investments in our core facilities, which I think is really too bad. Um, I do hope we could get this one cent sales tax and that that is not set aside. that doesn't offset um current spending levels which are also inadequate. I mean the challenge is >> you know making this case and make making I mean with a comprehensive high school and I have not always been a fan of it but with a comprehensive high school we eliminate 30 half of the trailers that we have. eliminate 32 classrooms

095in trailers across the country. When we first bought the well, the first eight classroom learning cottage at Alamarl in 2016, we rented it because it didn't occur to us that we wouldn't be further along in planning for um high school capacity than we are now. And then we bought another eight. And then we bought had them for both uh Montichello, eight units there and eight units out at uh um Western Albamar. I mean we really need to be I think as a board bold in our needsbased funding request. Um and we fell behind as I'm I know I'm editorializing but we fell behind even before I was on the school board with the Great Recession. And there were years where nothing was done except making sure the roof didn't leak and the um yeah and

096the HVACs worked and then we were just getting going and um with the approval of the centers um and COVID hit and so I'm disappointed that the center model um which was an acknowledgment of the fiscal challenges to get anything funded in this county. Um that you know it was delayed by five years and cut 30% in size. So we need to decide what we're going to do next and I think we have to really let the community know that we need more space and we need to upgrade our current facilities. Um because we we've been talking about trailers at these schools for how many years? I mean years and years and years and we need to make our schools accessible to our students and our faculty. Anyway, no more >> adding in about the

097center model. When we first talked about that, it was always with the understanding that there'd be renovations at the high school >> and additions, >> right? Additions and renovations at the high school. So, that just completely fell by the wayside. So, we really got behind with that. We we recognize that and you notice that we do continue to recommend additions at the high schools. Um knowing that that's an option, right? We we don't know where the board wants to go and and that's your decision. So we wanted to give you as much information as we could. >> We in our discussions would frequently see the additions of high at the high schools of four classrooms, eight classrooms >> as a band-aid, right? It's it's not address it addresses the current needs. It's better than more

098trailers, but >> but it but it doesn't get us as as you said the the potential for a generation at the high school level. And we certainly have um other challenges at the other levels, but but this is we we understand this is a big swing. Um but this might be the time for big swings. >> Is that why you put Western edition so far at the bottom then? I I think so because it was only a stop gap. I can I can speak for why I did it and and that was sort of where it was. It was it was we can we can give them this. They've had their trailers for four years, but we look and we look at Albam Marl and they've had their trailers for nine years. And the Western

099Edition would be great. It would take care of their trailers, but it's short term. It doesn't address the overall needs for the entire county. and and it's it's important to get those done, >> but if we invest upfront and and we've put that in fiscal year 27, but if we get $12 million there, >> we can't just say, Board of Supervisors, we need $72 million in fiscal year 29. >> Yeah, >> we need to ask them, let's start putting that money aside, right, bit by bit, so we can get there and we can break ground when we need to break ground. >> Yeah. And I think what we were talking about in our prior meeting was doing both was doing the western edition because that does solve the problem now and there is continued growth

100in Crosse um and the comprehensive high school um at the same time. >> Yeah, you're right. The addition at Western would solve your immediate problem. By the time we get to 30 30 or to 31, you still you have a problem all over again at Western >> and you have a bigger problem in the other two high schools. Right. >> Exactly. >> I I appreciate you including such a high level land acquisition because I agree. I mean this is like we are quickly um particularly because of lots of people buying large plots of our land. Um uh there's not a lot left and it's just going to get worse. I guess one of my questions and I guess I've never and maybe there's this is for another work session like I've never really understood the

101proper process and so but one of the things that I think about is you know if there are 11,000 units coming and then that have been approved and another 4,000 like who's doing the negotiation around and I know this is >> they're not legally required to profiter land so that's part of it >> they're they're not I guess the question is They're not legally required. I I hear you. However, can we become more and again it's not us >> stringent? Yeah. >> Can we can the count I'm going to talk in general terms. How do we as a board >> convey that? >> Convey the fact that as we are agreeing to all of these things as a county there there is a pe like the need for this land because we will not be

102able to pro provide these families and constituents the services they need because we're in a way land poor. Um, so I don't know if that's I don't you know where we do I'm just put a little pin in there and and and maybe uh for future conversations but if not I mean I think we need the cash. It's like either or like that that's a piece we need um because unless we you know can get the county to approve 10tory buildings for schools and multiple elevators like we need we need land for schools like in the end and we need to protect it. to a traditional high school. We have playing fields and all that takes up most of the acreage. I mean, we could build a school on 10 acres, but we can't build

103>> traditional high school unless you have 50 to 60. >> Yeah. A comprehensive high school requires a minimum or the BDOE recommends a minimum of 36 acres, >> right? >> So, actually, oh, sorry, >> that was actually helpful. So, 30 a minimum of 36 for middle school and elementary school approximately. Do you have a field? though any chance >> you can follow up. >> It is smaller. >> Yeah, it's less than that. Okay, >> I do remember reading it, but I don't remember what it was. Um, >> okay. >> Thanks. >> We'll follow. >> Could I jump on that land acquisition question also and ask about the figure? Is that supposed to cover all these things listed beneath it or is like two or three >> as much as we can get with $7.5 million

104>> in the next five years. So it's a fiveyear when basically we're looking at what can we do in the next five years. >> So I would honestly if we're going to if we are looking at needing to build all these facilities you're going to see a recommendation again for more land acquisition funding. >> Okay. >> Land acquisition in the urban area in the development areas of Almor County is probably going to be more expensive. land acquisition now on the at the especially toward the the north um with the uh addition not only of um Astroenica coming but a lot of the work that's going on over in Northfor in terms of the Commonwealth bio accelerator um bringing in a lot of early stage uh biotech businesses um the demand for the land is going

105to be there there are a lot of competing interests um there are people trying to develop um wet that lab space sort of that next step in the urban area in terms of what's zoned appropriately. So, that gets a little tricky. Obviously, in the rural areas, land might be a little uh less expensive, but it'll have its own challenges in terms of water and sewer versus septic versus whatever that looks like. So, it's I don't know what what we can get for seven and a half million. I've got faith in in the staff being able to negotiate well and get us >> seems a little low. It seems a little low to me. >> I mean, yeah, >> you you you can certainly I'd have no problem with asking for more, but when when you

106get to 574 million, you it's just you're like, "Okay, I think we're here." In terms of an overall number, >> I mean, I've come around to supporting I think the comprehensive high school. It seems to me with the Mountain View Elementary upper elementary school being built with North Point being our next school being built we've added 600 no we've had 1,200 1400 seats I can't do the math a bunch of seats in our elementary level and then with a new high school we'll be adding you know another what,500 seats uh with some adjustments ments at at community lab school, maybe a 100 seats. Um, so then we'll have to, you know, years down the road, we'll have to really look at middle schools. But I mean, with these two projects, we could solve the capacity

107issues long-term for the high schools. We're still going to have to deal with middle um elementary schools again, but we will have made a big big bite out of what we need. And then we have this is as difficult as this cell will be for the my view of the BOS. I mean, they never get around to appreciating the need for renovations. And I think we need to have a joint boards meeting at one at Stony Point. >> Yeah, that'd be a great location. >> Yeah. And actually that's a good point um Dr. AOP is that part of this is like this isn't a onetime ask like in a like this is what it needs to look from now on, right? Like it should have been but like I think that's it is like this

108isn't a one-time like fiveyear thing like if you are going like there's a to me there's a turn in how we're marketing this, right? If you are going to be the county that you want to be, right? If you want to be the county that you want to be to get Astroenica here and you know to win that against everyone else, you then now need to show that you are going to create the pipeline of future workers and families who are able to go to work and have their kids safe in schools and motivated in schools. And so and this is not just a one-time thing. This is this is what this county is going to need forever and again because that's what you have now that's where we are taking this county and this

109isn't a onetime thing this is every year and we sp I spoke u uh Miss Bilman and I spoke to um someone who had done some work in fair a lot of work in Fairfax and in Fairfax that's just what it is is like this is what it is every year like it's not a onetime thing like this is just how we have to operate from now on out like >> how we have to operate that this is not just a schools issue. >> This is a community's economic development issue and if we are going to continue to attract 4 bill5 billion dollar astroenicas or that kind of industry then we need to have the community needs to show its commitment to good public education. And the way you do that, at least the visible

110way you do it, one of the ways you do it is by having school environments that promote student learning. And you can't do that in dark trailers and, you know, old 80-year-old school buildings and uh you know, having to schedule series of lunch times for say Elvin High School because they don't have a big enough cafeteria. And it shouldn't come at the expense of our learning and things like that. We shouldn't be >> taking one thing to get another thing. It needs to be both and. >> Exactly. You're absolutely right. Um >> I will mention briefly since Dr. Akov said the magic words of economic development as we were putting together. >> That's right. That's your other hat. >> One of one of a few. >> One of several. Uh, one of the things that

111came up in our meetings with um, the business community, the agricultural community in Almeral County as we were putting together the economic development strategic plan which was approved recently by the board of supervisors, the schools and the education came up regularly and supervisor Listo Curley who is our liaison has heard this and I have told her it many times that I will be coming to her and rem reminding her that a lot of what drives the investment in Almoro County and we talked about Astroenica a lot already but we also had a $200 million investment in a company that was already here in Afton Scientific in Almor Marorrow County and while the 600 jobs that that um Astroenica is talking about which are are very right six-f figureure jobs and and but they are professionals

112with with doctorates and master's degrees many of Afton scientific jobs are done by people who can come out of high school. And if we can be in a place where the schools can help prepare our current residents for those jobs, that's helping our community now. And it's not necessarily bringing in other people and other families with other kids. These are people who come through our schools. They want to stay in our community. These are jobs that, as Emily Kilroy talks about, are career ladder jobs that don't necessarily require a bachelor's or a master's degree. You can get them coming right out of high school or working through PVCC in their program. So, bringing these types of jobs to Marmoral County, Astroenica talks about the educational opportunities here from postsecary all the way down through the

113elementary schools. So, so economic development, school, the quality of our schools is part of economic development. >> And you have to think about the employees at Astroenica. If they tour Stony Point, how are they going to feel about >> moving here with their families for this great job, but then they look at this 80year-old school? It doesn't it doesn't fit. >> Absolutely. Yeah. I think I think that's a great point, Miss Osborne, is is and I've you know, we're I'm already starting to have conversations with families about that who are coming down and again there's like we have amazing schools and amazing teachers. However, people deserve teachers, office, staff, students, families enjoy uh deserve schools and as we are seeing movement from Northern Virginia as well as you know other places in the country, that's

114what people expect and I and there's a big surprise to them. I mean, it's true. >> So, sorry. We're all on our high horse. We need to get on. So, we're practicing >> for because I believe we need to pitch all five >> uh uh $574 million. Like I I don't there is nothing just like when we talk about our budget, right, for learning. Um we've cut at this point. We can't cut anymore. We've, you know, we've delayed um uh service on our schools for our school buildings for so long. There's nothing there's nothing on here that I feel like we could take off. I mean, it just every every every child in this county and every teacher in this county deserves, you know, what um Crosseé Elementary looks like. Like that's just what it

115is. Like >> I had one last thing I I wanted to say and that was the to give thanks to uh Miss Kumazawa, Mr. Wartman, everybody uh on the staff, Sheila Hookman, Lisa Walker, um in particular, those are the ones that we work with most often. And then the rest of our our committee who couldn't be here today, um they've put in a lot of hard work over the last nine 10 months um since the year started to put to pull this together for you. Um, and I think you can see the amount of work and thought that went into this and and I think we're very proud of what we've done. We know it's a big ask. We know it's a heavy lift. Um, but we also wanted you to to know the truth

116and know what we think is out there and what we need as a community. >> Dr. Akov, you asked us to think big a few years ago. So, we are thinking big. >> Well, Mr. Storm, uh, beat me to the punch. I was going to say I so admire and respect the work that the long range planning advisory committee has done year after year. Um you know you all do it out of you're volunteering. I don't think um you're doing this for the high paychecks but it's certainly a huge benefit to our community. I know we have many great staff working with you but um I you know it's sort of the gold standard on what we need to be thinking about. That's the way I view it. reports sort of the gold standard of

117what we need to be thinking about as a school board in terms of capital and it is our ammunition our argument let's just say when we make the pitch to the board of supervisors and I do think as a as a board we need to think hard what the statutory obligation we have to submit a needsbased budget and um that's what we do we we sometimes times become too timid and and start cutting before we get there. And this is what it takes to have a first class educational infrastructure to help. I mean, we need to get our teachers light in the classrooms and not have, you know, having parent teacher meetings in the hallways and stuff like that. We we need to do that and we need to start advocating that. >> Just just

118a note that for just for later um I appreciate what you said. I mean about the um elevators as a a teacher of of children with delays and disabilities for part of my career. Children who were in wheelchairs or family members in wheelchairs. very scared about the fact that we might not be able to to um uh uh evacuate them in emergency. So any details that you or the staff can give us when we go because unfortunately it has been something that the board of supervisors has um not supported in the past. Um and so about the the the new the evacuation of the new gurnies any details that we can you that you could written details that you can give us that um cherry cuff and I can have for our presentation because it's

119you know there's a fear in my that we're going to get a call one day that someone didn't get out of a building and it was because there wasn't a working elevator. Um so >> well in addition to that al I also think of teacher safety because they're the ones that are going to be evacuating >> students. Exactly. bodies are heavy. Yeah. >> And not everybody has a super strong back. So, we're looking at >> teachers or other staff that are literally carrying these students down. >> Yeah. >> With their own hands. >> Yeah. >> In the event of a fire. >> Yeah. >> Well, thank you. Oh, wait, wait, wait. >> Another quick question. I almost cut you off. on the Lamb's Lane master plan uh with the with the um connector loop road.

120Do you think the state would give us any help on paying for that? >> Why is that not >> the county has to apply for that? >> Yeah, it may be partly funded but we don't know. >> So I I could provide some clarity on that. Um, local government is submitting a revenue sharing application. I can't remember the timing of it. I think it was submit this summer or this fall. Anyway, they are including the uh intersection improvements along hydraulic road and bike pedestrian improvements along hydraulic road. It does not include the loop road in our study. >> Right. >> Okay. >> But I'm not you know that. Yeah. Yeah. This is I'm not asking you like you know this is rhetorical but like why like so I can't you can't pay for a road

121for my kids to get into a school like I don't understand from a >> you know >> from a common sense perspective again this is rhetorical this is not for you guys this is just like you know frustration >> you you may recall that one of our recommendations was using excuse me using some of the money generated the revenues generated by the speed cameras in school zones Right. That was great. >> To make to make the school zones >> safer. That that would be this is our recommendation that we we continue to >> ask the community to support um in terms of having to go to the board for for sort of that use of those funds. >> Um right that we don't want people speeding near the schools. >> So if we're making the

122school zone safer and there's revenue generated from that, let's plow that back. There was about a half a million dollars raised in the first year on the hydraulic >> on hydraulics. I think that money is restricted how they can use it, but um >> I think it's restricted for safety. So it sounds like safety makes sense here. But >> certainly intersection improvements, >> correct? >> Tra, you know, travel through a school site would all be safety related >> in in my opinion. I'll just I'll make that argument today. >> Well, thank you, Miss Kumazawa. Are you going to tell us what we need to do with this? And I think you both know, Mr. Storm and Miss Barrett, that we have our next schoolboard meeting. We'll be making our decisions about this. I don't know

123if you plan to be there or not, but you are welcome if you have the time. So in preparation for that next meeting, if there is any specific direction that any school board member wants to provide so that we can prepare for that, um we did have a discussion exercise where everyone kind of talked about their top five priorities. So we know that if you were on the same page with this, we would come back with this project list next month or if you wanted to see something different, we would be prepared to do that. So, we're not having that discussion on the spot next month, but we're doing that tonight. Does that make sense? >> So, what would people like to do? Do we want to rate We want to take these home and

124rank them or >> Yeah. >> Do you want to take a minute and just discuss I was going to suggest t talking to the person next to you about what you think about these rankings and then maybe reporting out. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Does that work? >> Yep. Sure. from my Oh, I'm um just >> Did Max, did you have any comments or questions about the school capital? I forgot to even ask you. I'm so sorry. >> No, you're all right. Nothing really from my side. I guess I do just have just Could you clear up the Astroenica >> thing just cuz me personally I just don't know what it is? It is a very large um pharmaceutical company that has committed to build a 4.5 billion dollar plant up by Ravana station on

125land that the county recently purchased and they're estimating perhaps 600 jobs over the course of whatever. I mean it's it's a Yeah. So I don't know if they're making vaccines. I they may be a spectrum of products >> con consumable drugs. So >> okay >> um possibly a a GLP1 type as well as as some other stuff that they're doing that they would manufacture there. >> We have our own Zmpic factory. Okay. >> A little a little bit, right? And that's 50ish acres uh 600 jobs coming in the in the plant alone. uh their CEO said that that they create five to six ancillary jobs in the communities for every job that they create. Um and they are talking about being open by fiscal year >> 30 >> and and they are will be adding

126to the capacity issues of Elmor County Public Schools >> because those those 600 employees probably a lot of them have kids that want to go to school. >> Yeah. >> Thank you. But but we should also add that a a $4.5 billion investment would also add to the industrial tax base. Right? So one of the things that the board of supervisors has always talked about is reducing the need on residential income residential real estate taxes and the tax rate that has to fund local government. And by bringing in business like this, it would make a a size and add a sizable chunk once it's fully up and running to the county's overall budget. >> Thank you, Max. >> So, getting together to chat. I mean, I don't feel like Um, I know that school board

127owns some property, but does the county own any property that they might be willing to put into a school that would offset the cost of us buying? You know, you're taking it from they're going to be paying us to buy the land. Do they own any land that we could potentially use already? >> Like 36 acres of it, just off the top of my head. >> Is this a sticky question? >> I think our next step on the the high school thing is we're going to we're going to look at them all, right? We're going to look what county owned. We're going to look at um what's available for purchase. We just presented that that profer was provided for a high school, right? And here's what it is. Okay. So we just wanted to prove

128it is possible. Here are all the limitations. It's enough limitations. Let's start looking elsewhere. >> Okay. >> But if there's not a good option, let's come back to it. >> So if we were to say like because we obviously are feel passionate about this. Um when would you have an idea of that? What I mean are we talking years from now or we because I don't want to like get >> No, I think it would be something that we would start actively looking at. Um when is the design I mean it would be between now and design, right? You're like >> FY28. What was your question? >> I do think it's worth I think it's prudent to note that that convenience center that is on that site is currently funded for design and is actively

129in design. So >> can you repeat that? Sorry, I didn't hear you. the convenience center that's on that parcel is currently funded for design and is actively being designed. >> Um >> the the the property on Burkar was profered to the schools in the county and they would love to have and we've been talking about the transportation center there plus the recycling thing there. >> It's not very big. It's just on the flattest part. >> It's the best part of the site. Um, and you'll see our fit test proposes a soccer field at that location. >> I really don't love the idea of a recycling. Well, >> so I just I point that out because that is a current active project that is being moved forward. So, if if the board desired this site, there

130would be benefit to knowing that at an earlier date. So, um there could be conversations about that. I think I think for this evening if we focus on the 21 projects and the priority order so that you all can take these recommendations and these become your own recommendations and then once the priorities adopted by action in November we can start to dive deeper into the details of each of the projects. Good. Well, I don't like counting uh North Point as one of the five because it's already been approved. >> Yeah. And >> so I'm I'm crossing it off just because it's already There. there. But we wonder if there are further benefits um in terms of uh education, looking at uh improving reading scores um giving some families some relief in terms of child care

131issues. We think that probably is more important than number 21 TBD. Which one? >> Oh, I see. >> But that's number 21. You're only looking at your top five. >> I'm saying take 21 and put it up. >> Oh, okay. This push an issue even as we're building the high school. I think we're already 200 over capacity. It's just going to continue to get worse. So for me largely that the way that it is already ranked makes sense except for the priesthood. >> I didn't hear the last Murray Elementary School the ch and we did that for two reasons. I mean, a because Allison has been making that advocacy point for some time, but also because our original list only touched northern feeder pattern schools and we always try to sort of spread the spread

132touching uh schools across the county. This still leaves out the southern feeder pattern. It does, >> but we got we have Mountain View. So, we're >> But we have Mountain View now, right? Yeah, we just we debated that on as as staff level too, I just think you need to remind what you did in the last five years. The reason you don't have an elementary issue in western feeder pattern is the Cros edition, right? And then the mountain, >> right? Exactly. >> Yeah. >> Um >> I have one final question. Have we looked at grants for the elevator additions like disability grants or something like that? Because I think that there may be >> Yeah. um like we've had um organizations that have funded like ramps for us for camp and things like that. So,

133I'm just obviously it's not on that scale, but just wondering if that might be an option. >> I don't have a specific information. >> It might be something to look into. Um and that might alleviate some of these on there, too. >> So, how can we get these to you, Miss Kumawa? Um, well, I heard three people asking to flip number six and seven, Murray and Western improvements. And then I heard three people say they want to see the preschool center moved up into the top five. >> Okay. >> Is there anything else? Right. Do you would you like us other than the questions you've already asked, is there any other information that you would need to prepare you for the next meeting? I would love to know how much 50 acres of property would

134cost if we had to purchase it. I mean, I actually directly asked one of the supervisors, "Why don't you give us 50 acres off your Ravana parcel >> and she nearly laughed me out of the room." She said, "That's for a higher economic purpose." I said, "Well, having a good school system is part of your economic planning, >> investing in our future." Right. >> Yes. Exactly right. Um, any other comments, questions, laments, praise for our long range planning committee? >> Much praise. Thank you. >> Thank you, David. Thank you, Kate. >> Thank you so much. >> How do we make it fly? >> Thank you, Maya. Okay. Um, are you done, Miss Kumazawa? Okay. Thank you. Um, that was a that's a lot to think about. Um, and we need to figure out our strategy

135going forward. Um, is there any other business by board members or the superintendent? >> I will note that the December 3rd meeting is not on our calendar. So I just while we were meeting I added it to mine but just make sure that you all are free. >> Right. And also the VSBA conference needs to be added to our calendars as well. Those of us that are attending >> Miss Thompson is that something the student reps go to or they had a day before before the conference starts that they start they do that? >> I'm sorry you're asking about the conference. No, they do. They have a day. You did you want to explain it, Max? >> I was just going to confirm. Yes, that is true. >> Okay. >> It is November 19th. >>

136They actually drive up very early in the morning or they ride with uh Ms. Roberts uh the day before. So then they have a special day for student reps. >> All of them are going too. >> That's great. Outstanding. >> Well, thanks everyone for tonight. And if there is no business further business, this meeting is adjourned.