001Good afternoon. We'll call the work session of the ASD school board to order. Today is Tuesday, December 16th at 4:05 p.m. Present in the boardroom are members Higgins, Lessons, Donley, Jacobs, and Bellamy. uh joining us online uh but soon will be member Wilson and we'll acknowledge member Hollowman when he joins us. Uh we have two items on our agenda today. First is a charter application from Oceans um Dr. Brian the floor first. >> Thank you Mr. President. So I'll go ahead and invite our senior director of choice programs up u Miss Robin Harris. So uh this session will be a little different in that our administration team will be available to answer board questions. Uh we have been observing the past couple of meetings and we've narrowed down some areas of board member questions down
002to um location possibilities. Um student nutrition came up during our conversations and so did student transportation. So Miss Harris has put some thought into these and potentially other areas. And then of course our applicants are also here should there be additional questions for them. Um feel free to come up. Um but primarily we wanted to offer the board its first opportunity to discuss with the administration about this application. So with that uh Miss Harris, would you like to open with any remarks or um slides or anything? >> I don't necessarily have slides. I mean I have my own notes from my slides that I created. Um however um been working with the team very closely at Oceans to narrow down kind of those three areas that were huge questions for um a charter school and
003what that would look like in terms of a location or nutrition and transportation. So um just recently we went and toured um the Benny or the Benson wing over at East High School. Um it is right when you walk up into the area that has the stained glass windows and you go where ANCCS used to be located. Um and so we toured that area both upstairs and downstairs to look at some possible space for oceans um in the near future. And that space looked um pretty promising. It has a dedicated instructional space um and it's also been established with the big eight high schools as a campus which oceans would be within that high school realm as well. It has immediate access to those existing facilities and infrastructure. Um it allows Oceans Academy to launch
004within the district and but still keep their own identity and leveraging those shared systems that would be located at East High School. and then it just kind of supports a phase startup without needing that standalone facility if there was a collocation. So, we did take a look at that location. However, Oceans has also been in contact with Change Point um again and there is a new location um Grand View. It's on 1300 Coline Street. And there are also some positives for that with a more dedicated space for classrooms, dedicated office space, um quite a bit of room for growth in this area. And then there's also parking availability and then they would have their clear school identity within that space as well. And then program flexibility. So with those two spots, we were just trying
005to think outside the box as to what that looked like. I know Oceans has been working with Change Point and has a verbal agreement but not necessarily something that's been written in stone. That's the reason why we went to look for a collocation in an ASD building as well. In terms of um transportation, the East High School, Betty Davis East High School location in the Benson wing would allow the opportunity for those students that are in the East region to be able to take their neighborhood bus directly to the school and a possibility for those um Bartlett students that are in that um region to be able to take a transfer bus that would be able to come into East High School as well. considering they are within their charter, they also are um creating
006a spot specifically for those east side students. So that would be something that would be natural for those students to be able to take those um the transportation in from their neighborhood school and then just head into um the area of Oceans Academy. Um so then for the alignment for possible Grand View there would be a possibility of transportation. Um I know that this has happened in the past and it still can and it still is happening with King um high school. Students from their neighborhood schools come into one location at um at their boundary school and then they take another bus um to King High School. From there they might they would be able to go over to Grand View. So, it would be a couple of transitions to get to the Grand Blue
007View location, but it could be doable if they were to adjust their timeline, meaning their start and end times for those students if they were at the Grand View location. But that's another possibility for transportation as well. And then um lastly for nutrition of course if they were at East High School they would have direct student meal access and the lunchroom just as ANCCS did when they were located colllocated at Betty Davis East High School and that would ensure um ASD nutrition programs that would be in compliance with state and federal requirements. they would have ready access to meals and have that support for student wellness, attending, and learning. And it eliminates the need to create a separate nutrition system during this startup phase of Oceans Academy. If they were to be located at Grand
008View, this um would not be the case necessarily. the students would be bringing in their lunches for the startup phase of their time and then as that program grew then they would look into the student nutrition piece of it if they were at located at Grand View. And I don't know if you have anything to add or if I've covered it. Okay. Are there any questions? >> I do. >> Start with member Higgins. >> Oh. Um, what was the other location you gave? What address was that? >> It's 1300 Coline Street. >> Thank you. >> Uh, for the record, both member Hullman and member Wilson joined us at approximately 4:10 p.m. Member lessons. >> Thanks. I think one of the questions that I have through um the possibility of colllocating within Betty Davis East is
009if we are subsidizing the space does that decrease the financial ask which I don't have in front of me but it was like 182,000 for lease and other stuff and so could could the o would the overall ask of oceans for this first year decrease increase modestly in light of essentially not needing to sign a lease. >> In that realm, I would have to look to maintenance and see if they would be adjusting some of that those pieces that are already attached to East Betty Davis East High School to see if if there would be a percentages of those that they would be incurring at that time. >> Maybe if we >> I can talk this a little bit. I think um depending on how tonight's discussion goes, we'll certainly link up with Oceans, go
010back to the Benson wing, look at it. There may be renovation requirements that um that we don't know about. Obviously, walking into a classroom for an office, there might be requirements to have a place where there's more privacy, put some walls in, and we would have to do the cost estimate for that and figure out whether um it was a one-time cost or we could spread it over several years. um and we're just not there yet. Um the utilities and and minor maintenance that they would be paying um certainly would be probably less than leasing a facility. Um the the bigger advantage I I think is u capacity for growth would be higher at the Benson wing. Um but we'd be getting a little bit ahead of any renovation requirements and estimates. Um, so I'll
011walk back with them and we'll go back through if that's the direction that we're headed. Um, take Larry Morris and maintenance and uh, and then see what the bare minimum renovation requirements would be for the first summer, second summer, third summer. And then Andy, I think, has some comments, >> right? And I don't think it would change the amount of money they would actually receive. It's just how they spend it because all that funding is dedicated through state statute. So we have to provide that amount. So it wouldn't be necessarily a change in that. It just how they spend it. >> I jump in with a clarification question. I I I want to say that Anchorage that Fairbanks does not always fund charters with one-time funds um to the maximum extent that they could. Is
012that correct? That statutory formula is driven by law, but if the legislature appropriates onetime funds, that's at the discretion of a district. We historically, however, have appropriated it according to the formula. >> Yeah, I can't really speak to how Fairbanks does it, but anytime we've got one-time funds, whether it be just the state onetime funds or ESRE money, we distribute that the same way that we receive it on the basis of the adjusted ADM. >> Thank you. We'll go to member Bellamy. >> Sure. Thank you. So, the Coline address, is that the old church? >> Okay. >> Yes. Um and I guess for the uh sup superintendent or staff uh have we looked at impact to east and how many classrooms are we looking at on that on that occupying on that side at least
013initially and initially I believe that um they have four teachers that they are bringing on as the startup. So it would be four classrooms. Those teachers would also be utili they would be teaching the elective courses as well. So they would be you know utilizing multiple. Um the NCCS wing that was upstairs um had a place for an office and there's probably four or five classrooms that are up there if that was allowable. Um and the impact would be I would have to look at the um population of East and the numbers based on the rooms. We walked through the entire school while we were there. So, it was really nice to see and there were several other areas that would allow space for some of what they had on that wing already move moved
014to there. >> Yeah. And if I could just add um the footprint that oceans um would occupy is is smaller than whats um house at East High School. So if you're trying to just kind of see how that would kind of equate in the building, there's a smaller footprint for Oceans than what we've already accommodated for ANCCS and we actually have less students at East now too. So and that was my other question with relative to impact at East what would that look like? So and I know the focus while the the oceans will be open to everybody. I know I think the focus is in the 99508 area >> 504 >> which is which is basically east >> east and Bartlett area similar to stream. Yes. >> And so and I do like the
015transportation student nutrition. So I guess um I guess I want to know from the applicants what are your thoughts on co- uh existing at a school like East? >> Um I I mean there's pros and cons for sure. Um I think that the the largest pro is that we have more the the services are just there, the infrastructure is there, the um and also the potentially I mean we have to crunch all the numbers further but I think that we'd be able to have more staff at the school if we were there and that's nothing to bat an eye at you know if we have more more adults with students and we're capable of doing so much more. So there that's a huge huge count in favor of it. I think one thing that I'm
016a little bit personally hesitant about and we have conversations about this, but sometimes it's harder to develop an identity as a school if we're within another school. Um, and I can easily imagine our getting lost in that school and kind of like bleeding into it a little bit more and and but that's not that's I think there's ways in which we can handle that. Um but yeah, I mean th those are some of where my thoughts are. I can go deeper, but that's >> or I can talk also. [laughter] Um I I would say you're pretty on par, Simon, with what you're with what you're thinking. There's a lot of pros to colllocating. Um everything from um decreased facility costs, which then can be turned back into investing in the program and investing in our
017students and opportunities for them. um to having a lot of those services readily accessible. Things like busing, things like tra, you know, other forms of transportation, student nutrition, um that kind of thing, but also sports, right? Like kids want to play sports and we want them to be able to have those opportunities and so >> transportation. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> Yeah. Exactly. Um, and so there are a lot of advantages. And it's funny because I think we've all kind of um I've talked at least with all the members of the team multiple times um since Sunday um when I when I saw the Grand View building and I just I keep going back and forth a little bit in my mind. I'm like, you know what, there's great things about East and there's great things
018about this other building. And in my mind, the things that make them great are not the same necessarily, but they're pretty equal as far as like is there a preference? there's not really a preference between the two. Um >> I I think with what we're trying to do with our timeline and the core things that are important to Oceans Academy in the program, um colllocating at East meets a lot of those things and it checks a lot of those boxes and you know we do talk a lot about how do we manage our identity and I think that's something that we can overcome. Um >> that's not a hurdle that scares me. >> Okay. [laughter] Um and and I kind of just keep saying, well, it it'll fall into place. Whatever supposed to it'll work
019out. It'll work out. Um everything up until this point has worked out. So, you know, wherever we're at, I'm I'm fully confident in the team and in our ability to overcome whatever whatever comes up. >> So, so Grand View was a church before. So, you would have to do would the lease a lease? Yeah, you' be the lease or the leasey, would they make the changes to the building for you to occupy it as a school? >> Um, so the way it would work is it's it's still currently a church and it's still occupied by the Grand View congregation, right? >> Um, Changepoint is looking at purchasing that and then merging with Grand View. So then it would become Change Point East Side. Change point East Side, I think is what they're calling. >> Is
020that a guarantee? >> It's not a guarantee yet. they are they are very much still in um navigating the logistics of that and what that looks like. Um but all the conversations that I've had with Changeoint have been very positive in their intent to purchase the building. Um and it was said to me, again, nothing's on paper. Um, but it was said to me that um, if in the event that Changepoint does purchase the building um, and that we do end up partnering with Change Point for a location, they would be willing to make renovations to the building around our preferences. Um, and I would just add also on the location they I did not know this until Sunday, they also occupy the buildings right across from Col, right across from the main building. So,
021it's right across the street on Coline, not the busy street. Um, which would also be a potential for us to utilize as well. Um, and so lots of space for for expansion, lots of space for growth, um, that kind of thing. And when they've talked about, you know, when they've kind of tossed around ideas about renovation, they have said that if we are partnering with them, they can make renovations surrounding our needs also. >> Okay. So it was the church would still be a church. >> The church would still be a church. >> And so the sanctuary you won't be in that. You'll be in the classrooms or offices around the sanctuary. >> Correct. So yeah, >> and it does have good access to green space also. I looked that up on the map. >>
022I'm sorry. >> I said it does have good access to green space also. So yeah, >> part of our program is being outside. So I anticipate a lot of time outside. >> It's actually in my hood. So >> Okay. [laughter] >> Um I'm going to jump in with a question. We'll go to member Holland and start the queue back over. Um when ANCCCS question for administration, when ANCCCS was located in that hallway of East High, um it was deemed not an ideal location and was a catalyst for us identifying um first Abbott Loop than Lake Hood for them. Is there something different about stream that makes it a better candidate where we won't immediately be looking to relocate it in another ASD building? >> In my mind, since I I probably was here during that
023time that ANCCS was in Betty Davis East, but um I believe that it's the high school sense, the students that they're already 9th through 12th graders. I think that the um ability for them to maneuver through the school would be a lot easier um just with the independence that high school students have um in that realm as well. So I think that that navigation itself um makes it a good fit for them not to necessarily have to um move to to grow there. there is if you were to expand it to the entire full scope of what ANCCS had um there would be a lot of room to grow for them from the first year to you know the next three years where they say they want to get to the 300 400 mark. >>
024Yeah. And if I could add on um I was a secondary supervisor when ANCCCS was um placed at East High School. Just um for awareness, the the whole premise of ANCCS moving to East High School was because they had a building that was deemed um uninhabitable um due to ventilation re around COVID days. So it was a forced um opportunity of relocation um if you will. And so there weren't um while while they were grateful to move, that wasn't ever intended to be like their choice location. So there were feelings around that. I think the age level of the students is a big factor. Um when you're looking at oceans, high school students housed with other high school students is much more feasible in terms of movement of the building. Um you know, we didn't
025have a playground at East High School readily available for ANCCS, which was also another factor for recess and for PE. There wasn't um you know, large spaces for for those students to participate. So, there were a lot of issues with putting a K8 school into East, but I just wanted to remind the board that that was kind of a forced choice. Um, and we were trying to come up with solutions quickly during COVID forccs. >> Thank you for that. I'll just uh have a quick followup. Is it administration's position then that having a second program inside the walls of Betty Davis Anchorage High School won't cause limitations um or a bottleneck with like the gym or cafeteria facilities? >> I don't believe so. they um Oceans Academy would not be utilizing the gym. They do
026a lot of their activities outside and so they wouldn't be requesting the gym space at all. Um and from my understanding when ANCCS was there, they had a time that they were going down to the lunchroom as well. And so just making sure that we have that timeline um that works with East High School for them to be able to access that student nutrition. >> Thank you. Member Halman. I was going to say a long time ago I was involved for a while with the elect school within a school uh and they absolutely had their own distinct identity and yet the ability to take electives you know the the larger school played a a really positive role. Um, one concern I'd have as a board member, this makes tremendous sense as our population shrinks, but
027if it started to grow again, if we started to have neighborhood students that began to fill east, um, what what would we do? Um, and I guess being as we do have capacity at other schools as well, we might adjust boundary lines to make it happen. But, um, yeah, it seems The biggest problem I can see is that I think you probably want a much more flexible schedule for your students than a traditional high school allows and if you benefit from them, you you get roped in to some degree. But um I I can see it as a really positive use of the facilities and possible real benefit to your program as well. >> Member Lesl, >> thanks. I I appreciated the comments about green space because to me that should be one of the
028foundational um you know location location location uh components of of your of your placement. Um it strikes me that the Betty Davis East location is you know opens up a world of possibility with the green spaces and the trails immediately accessible from that facility. um from Goose Lake to trails to really anything you can imagine. Um Anchorage has worldclass trail system at your disposal. Um I think the question I had was really more internal about things like access to a library and um we didn't really touch on it, but I did have a question that I shared, you know, a few weeks ago about special education services. So, I guess would if you were in Betty Davis East, would you would Oceans be able to use the library system in the way that um I
029want to say where was I visiting? Was it Aurora? No. Was anyways was this one of our schools in the Eagle River area uh that is coll-located with like AK Choice or there's a >> Alvin? Yes, Alvin has um yeah, wrong. Alvin hosts um students and a remark was made that those students are using the Alpenlow library facility and so it strikes me that a benefit is that students engaged in big questions um won't find everything they need on the internet or AI and maybe there's a place for books and library access. And so to me that strike it strikes me as a benefit. Um I guess that's not really a question but feel free to respond. >> Yeah that's actually when as we walked into east the library is on the left side and
030that's the first thing that came to my mind. Yeah there's the library. This is awesome. We have access to that. I mean at Highland we don't really have that library access. um it'd be absolutely an important resource to have >> and I think that would just be a communication with the administrators and scheduling piece of it because I know that's what's happening right now with um Ocean View and with Alvin Glow as well with AK Choice. >> Um great. Well, I feel like no problem is unsolvable. Um the qu the one question I have and it wasn't necessarily on the administration's agenda but perhaps administration can speak to it and you know there was a my sense is that there was an assumption that dollars would follow the students to be able to provide special
031education services and my understanding is that may not necessarily be true. So, how would students with who who would receive special education services like how does that happen um in the Oceans model thus far? >> Well, and I would defer to Andy Ratliff about the dollars that follow students and what that what that amount is. I do know with intensively funded students, you know, I know that dollar amount, but I know that there's also another X amount for our special education students that are not intensively funded. Yeah. And through the foundation formula, there's that 20% increment that's to pay for special education. So that money follows the kid into the school and the school is supposed to be responsible for providing all the special education services through that allocation. >> So through their annual budget
032essentially they would be providing special education services not with additional dollars. >> Correct. It's within that annual budget. I guess the question then is is that feasible with with your knowledge of your budget? >> I would say the short answer is we are committed to serving any student that comes to Oceans, whatever that looks like. Um [clears throat] whether um whether it's it's a less intensive IEP plan or whether it's it's something more intensive um and accommodating. Um we have no intention of turning any student away. Um that has not a thing. [laughter] It's not a thing for us and it's not acceptable for us. Um so I I would say the short answer is we are we are definitely committed to serving any student that comes to Oceans, whatever that looks like. >> And
033I'll have to say in working with all of the charter schools, um finding [clears throat] the students least restrictive environment is what we desire for all of our students. And if that is at Oceans Academy, then that's where we want our students to be. And if those dollars when those dollars do follow, then they would have a special education teacher or someone who would provide those services, whether it would be somebody who is contracted that they would utilize out of their budget or or something of that nature. >> Member, >> thank you. Um to me, I appreciate uh Mr. Hollowman's comments. what do you do with expansion and all that? But we have that potential on all schools and we look at boundary changes, we do other things. So we have options for that. The
034big difference to me right now that the there's a lot of good benefits to East, but the biggest one is just the the manner in which that school has been constructed. It's under institutional standings. It's there to be there long term uh safewise for kids. And so to me is that makes it a no-brainer. I put safety number one. But equally in in regards to that is access to optional programs is a big issue for us. And if it's East High School, you've got more kids that low income access for you know for transportation and they're coming from um you know from a facility which is in a located has been a title one school um in a valley and now streams at. So that will allow them to participate easier than what it would
035be any other way. And I like the idea of the food service associated with when you've got title one kids, you got other issues. To me, it's the safety issue is number one, but the other benefits I just don't see the benefit of the of of going with change um uh at this point because I just don't see the facility being equal, not the same facilities transportationwise. You just don't have the same thing. My only concern is space. I mean outside you want space to for building. you want things like that. Um, I'm sure there's a way of doing that. I'm comfortable with that, but that's the only reservation I have on doing that. And the other one is it does get to be finances. We're going to take kids away with BSA and everything
036else. We're going to bloom with it to school at time where we're we're we're really strapped to say the least. That's way that's way understating it. Um, in regards to it, I don't think that should ever be a factor though. I've never I've always supported every charter school. So, I like the idea of East High School if nothing else for safety number one and then for the access for the kids um is number two and then the food and other benefits associated. So, I appreciate your your goals on this and that's kind of the overview. I don't think there's any question about change point that building not being at institutional standings. No churches are built that way to my knowledge and I see a lot of them. So, thank you, >> member Bellman. >> Thank
037you. Uh, so you've hit a lot of my um I guess my wanderings. Uh, the transportation issue. Any kid in this area in the east area can will have the option, the opportunity and the transportation, the food they need um or the nutrition. They'll have access to activities. I think uh your your question about your own branding is uh not impossible. Uh I think um I think Betty Davis East Anchorage High School has a lot to offer anyway. Um and I think there is room for your brand for your branding of of the of this school. Um Russen Jack Elementary is right in the back. uh you have a lot of green space uh uh if that is if that is a determination. And so when it comes to uh electives, whether or not kids
038whether or not your program may be so structured that they don't come out for electives, I don't know, but uh I would be interested to know what that might look like. And then the scheduling piece, I'm thinking uh the the administration um along with the principal and Robin would work out the scheduling and how what that would look like. And then my only other So those are wanderings. Um I do have a question around at the if you open in if this happens um how how would we let East High School East area kids know about all kids know about this opportunity? Uh what is a plan for that once we make a decision? Yeah, as far as the electives and curriculum is concerned, um the the idea is that we're we're have some pretty
039big block schedules. So in that way we can get outside and be outside for an extended period of time so they can really explore the community. Um and that our electives will be integrated into that that structure. Um and that's kind of the big the big push for it. So I probably probably not integrated into electives. I mean, I could definitely see something banned kind of like the the the early morning electors. Absolutely. Kind of an integration there, but um I want to take the second one. >> As far as recruitment, it sounds like you were talking more specifically about recruitment. Is that accurate? Okay. Um, I basically how would a student in Anchorage, especially East Anchorage, know that you exist? >> I'm actually much less worried about that. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Um, that
040was that was initially one of my concerns is, okay, how are we going to get the word out? Um, but I feel like the word of oceans has kind of spread like wildfire, [laughter] which is really really cool. Um, I've had I've had people come up to me asking about when Oceans is gonna [laughter] open. Um, I know Simon has too at church. Um, and and the kids are talking about it. It's it's it's this really cool little buzz that's happening everywhere. Um, in fact, I was subbing at East today um as as a nurse and a couple of the kids that came in um who know my daughter were like, "So, when is Oceans opening?" And [laughter] I was like, "I'm working at it, guys." Um, but even kids at an elementary level, I've
041been approached um because I'm on the parent board at Susettna where my where one of my other kids goes and um the nurse over there and teachers over there were like, "So, what's the status of oceans?" Like, I feel like a lot of people are talking about it. And um and not just in East Anchorage, there there's been people um over up on Hillside that are talking about it also. And so I um I'm I'm not super concerned about that. How do we address it though? Um, we're getting the word out through stream, uh, through their weekly newsletters. Um, word of mouth is a big deal. Um, and also just attending some of these, uh, these high these alternative school fairs um, is is definitely our plan once we um, once we get the okay,
042once we get the approval. Um, and I, uh, one of our, one of our other teammates has actually already started to order some swag as far as stickers and stuff like that go to start putting on our water bottles and and all that other kind of stuff. But, um, but I'm I'm much less worried about getting the word out because I I do think it's out there. Um, in fact, um, when I do go into stream, uh, I people come up to me often and they're like, "Hey, I heard about oceans. I heard about the progress. people are contacting me trying to figure out how to get involved and um so yeah >> and I think that's great. I I also am really interested in reaching students who now have the opportunity and transportation and
043the nutrition to be able to make a choice for oceans. Right? So these won't be the people who are going to be talking to you right now. >> For sure. Okay. >> For sure. I think I think um reaching the people that are not already talking about it um and who are maybe looking for a choice that's going to come a lot from the alternative school affairs um posting in the Moldune library and um and we'll take suggestions also. >> Yeah. And that might be part of the discussion when we do our uh uh conversation our go our guardrail conversation tonight. So you might want to listen in. Thank you. jump in with a question. So, we've we've talked I think three or four board members have indicated that they um are very interested in
044you moving uh being located in a hallway of East High School. I haven't heard >> your team indicate that that's your preference. Is that the case? Is that your preferred location or are you looking at the other location um the old church or I guess the currently being renovated or purchased church? And the preference is these but the the what we we're also having we're trying to develop a backup plan as well and we want to have something we want this to happen. Um so if case for some reason if east doesn't happen or if it's not able to happen we want to have something to fall back on as well. >> Okay. Um maybe a question for Miss Harris. Would it be appropriate to have Oceans submit a revised initial budget to reflect that
045the capital costs at East wouldn't be what was originally thought for capital when the application was submitted? >> We can we can do that um because it hasn't gone forward and had your approval yet. Still needs to go non- action and action item on that. So, they can definitely work with um Andy and his team on revising what that budget. I know that they've reached out to him before to see what that budget would look like based on what they've talked about with possible renovations and those other things that are going to need to maybe happen before they can step foot in there. >> And a followup, what does that from administration's perspective, I think we're hearing the oceans team saying they're interested in being colllocated at at East. What does administration need to do
046and how long will it take before it determines that that's a match from our side? Um I I think that we need to get the action item and and on board for them to even be approved at the state as well. So the state needs to take a look at their charter. Um but as far as administrated needing anything, it would just be um what that budget might look like changing for them and what how that's going to affect everything else from there on. >> I'm just going to clarify. So administration is comfortable saying that this facility could be colllocated in East High School today. >> Yes, we're comfortable um with that being a location opportunity for oceans. >> Okay, great. >> Um I think yeah, revised budget as well as maybe something indicating that
047the program officially intends to occupy and colllocated east would be helpful for me um as a commitment that that's where they plan to be. Um I personally feel that an application is incomplete until you specify where you want the program to live um or you intend for the program to live. And so I appreciate that. Uh member Belly, do you have additional questions? >> Just a I I kind of want to have some idea of the impact to east and that can come from the administration not today uh but at some point uh because I know that they have they are spread out. They have everything. We're asking them once again to make room. Uh and so I would like some idea of that impact and how we are um maybe assisting the principal to
048make that change if it happens. >> Sure. Um and uh Dr. Johnson, I want to give you an opportunity to to weigh in if there are considerations that should be on the board's mind. Should oceans locate in Betty Davis? Yeah, I think the biggest um consideration I think that do it's doable to have that location. Um there's a few logistical things that we would need to figure out and that's where we would collaborate with Ron Brown, the principal. Um but like the bell schedule is one. Um particularly because I I would anticipate that uh Oceans would want to have a more flexible schedule than a traditional high school. Um we do need to look at the intercon system. that was a criticism of um having ANCCCS in that that location. So there's a few logistical
049things um and if there is construction um I don't anticipate it to be large large in nature um or expensive but we would need to essentially shore up what those costs would be and um likely those could be done over the summer um as I've been talking to Jim Anderson here next week. Now there there are some structural upgrades that are going to be need to be done on the Benson wing and we we already knew about that anyway. Um but those would be done in the summer most likely anyway. >> I think the biggest the biggest factor is that we if the board does choose to approve oceans going forward um then we would need to start that collaboration process so we have a really effective partnership um as we move ahead. A follow-up
050question on that. So then if there are upgrades required at East specifically to accommodate oceans, is that something the district is obligated to pay for? Is that something that we'll partner with the applicant on? I I think without having an estimate, it's probably best for us to walk through first with maintenance capital plans, look at what the needs are. And it could be that there's the short-term immediate needs that can be very affordable versus some long-term sustainment plan um to make it into something more optimal as they grow. But but we really need some time to do that estimate. Any other questions from the board? I'll jump in with one last philosophical one. Um, for administration, this is our first application in decade maybe or more. So certainly this board's first application. Um, is it
051administration's position that you're going to put forward a recommendation on whether or not to approve the application or not? Will you have a recommendation on the memo attached to the application? >> I would need to look at all of the regulations to see if that is something necessary from the administration, but I believe that it is approval from the school board here so that we can send it to the state board. >> Right. The the way that I view the application is the administration needs to vet to make sure that it's complete in the sense that there's a path for financial sustainability, special education services. There's a strong curricular framework and that they would abide by all policies and regulations for the state and the city as applicable. And then from there, we would provide
052that complete application to the school board that would ultimately decide philosophically whether or not this is the right time for an additional charter school. And with the changes that you requested today, President Jacobs, that then we could move forward and have that complete. Um, we've already utilized our admin review that we sent out before we even presented it to the board. Okay. >> Thank you. Seeing no other questions, I think we'll conclude this agenda item for today. Thank you, Oceans team. Oh, any closing remarks, ma'am? >> Um, can I ask a question [laughter] um of you guys? Would it be appropriate at this time with respect to our timeline and our um our need to go before the state board in January on the 22nd to be a non-action item tonight and then when we
053come back from break be an action item at that point? >> Uh our agenda can't be modified at this point uh due to um open meetings acts um Alaska statute. However, um I certainly will collaborate with district administration for placement on a future agenda. Um and we are happy to partner with you to get it approved through deed um should the board vote to do so. Hearing seeing no other questions again. Thank you ocean team. Thank you Miss Harris, Dr. Bryant and team. Our next agenda item is B2 CIP. Dr. Bryant. >> Thank you Mr. President. We'll invite up Jim Anderson. So, uh, tonight the board will be asked to approve the capital improvement plan. So, really today will serve as a final Q&A from board members. And, um, I believe Mr. Anderson has, um,
054some slides he'd like to share, um, prior to Q&A. >> Thank you, Dr. Jared and board. I'm also bringing up experts um Rob and Carrie who know everything about the maintenance of that building depending on the questions um on the Abbott Loop facility [clears throat] and of course Tom and Larry for capital the capital improvement plan at large. Let me share screen. Okay. So, we went through a a pretty exhaustive brief at the last work session. Um, so I'll just go through real quick just the three summary slides and then really what came out of the last work session was um what appeared to be a very lengthy discussion on um what could we do to the Abbott Loop facility? What should we do? Um is that looked at by the board as a short-term
055or long-term solution for Roshula? So we do have uh several slides on that. Um we talked about the the cost of the capital improvement plan naturally based off amendments um later tonight. Those numbers would certainly change and we would clean that up administratively um prior to um you know going putting out the the document that they build. And then if you look real quick at the highlights, it really is security of our facilities. um both security from outside intruders or bad actors, but also um improving the infrastructure of the buildings and then playgrounds. And uh Larry gave a very long discussion on the uh the electrical service for East High as well as the other other uh projects on that six-year plan. And just like in every CIP, um we really do not just bonds
056on on any one year, uh but we really are we have 94 plus facilities that we're always trying to maintain and prioritize. Um I'm hoping that after this first year when the community really does understand what does 50% state bond debt reimbursement really mean on a bond um and as to how it impacts taxes. Um, I think we're going to start seeing potentially uh larger projects. Our our challenge I think in the near term uh really in the next couple two or three years is can Alaska bring back a workforce capable of doing more projects even if we have the money. And that's something that that we will continue to discuss back and forth. Uh many of you the board members know that we used to be able to do uh five or six secure
057vestibules in one year. Um this year we struggled getting three done by end of October, November. Um I think in the in the out years we're starting to see where these shortfalls are in labor capacity and and that's something that Tom and his team really really are looking at as to um what we put on the CIP. But there really wasn't a lot of other discussion um on the CIP in general other than um one potential amendment from member Higgins that he discussed. Um there certainly could be other amendments that um we'll save time on here um at the end for for discussion and then of course we we have the uh action item tonight. So that the Abbott loop just to make it clear because during the public testimony there are a lot of
058different timelines that are put out by a lot of different people and it is confusing. There's a lot of things happening in this district currently. Um it does have a waiver to operate through the end of school year 2829. um member Jake or President Jacobs and I met with the fire marshal and one of his uh team members this week and they have already um at least acknowledged that that they would feel comfortable extending that waiver if required and if the district has a plan to ultimately put on the fire suppression system. And you'll see in some follow-on slides as I hand off to Tom and Rob or I mean Carrie and Rob for um this summer's projects, things we need to do immediately and there's two different courses of action and then we start
059shifting over to the capital plan side um depending on whether we look at this as a a long-term thing. But um I think the fire marshall was very comfortable with um you know the fire detection system. All of the classrooms have out outside doors for the most part. You can evacuate that building very very quickly if there's a fire. So, it is not about the safety of staff and students. It is about the safety of the structure if there's a fire. Uh, but I think we can push off the fire suppression system for a bit and I'll I'll go through that real quick. So, I will hand off to um Robin Carrie for these next two. you'll see two options for Abbott Loop for this summer. Um, and these are things that if if you
060go with option A, and they'll talk you through some details on this. Um, obviously it costs a little bit more and then we came up with a cheaper version um to make sure that we really were focused on the 500 students and those most immediate needs. So, Rob, I'll hand off to you. >> Sure. Thank you. Uh members of the board, what you'll see here is kind of a short uh menu, if you will, of selections that we feel uh are most important uh immediately that could be done this summer. Uh I'll I'll kind of get down to the boiler maintenance part. There's been discussions about the boilers there. We've really surveyed the last several years of work orders as well as talking to our own uh technicians and leads about what's going on with
061those boilers. Two of them are 35 years old, two of them are 30 years old. Um, but they're in two different pieces of that building. They they're not all in one room. Okay. So, it's really not a question of is there one that's really bad we need to replace. What it really is that we'd like to do is tune those boilers and replace some of the pumps and periphery that make those things run. Those are the pieces that have failed the most in the last 5 years. So, that's a small package that we believe we can put on there to extend the life of those those core boilers. Okay. And you'll see the um the plan that the school would like to actualize to take six classrooms, the kind of odd shaped almost triangular shaped
062classrooms. Yeah, you got I think many of you have seen those. And reconfigure the interior wall space to make those four rooms. They all have egress doors now. uh part part and parcel to this discussion is the fire suppression system and the safety of that school. Part of that is that all rooms have outside egress. If we consolidate to four rooms, they still would have outside egress and we could make those modifications. That's why it's presented optionally here uh in one of two cost scenarios. And I'm going to look at your screen because I need to put my glasses on. Okay. So, um the [clears throat] pneumatics upgrade is we did this districtwide after um COVID or during COVID, taking all the old air driven, compressor driven, antique means of controlling our our servos, if
063you will, things that open and close valves in the district, and those need to be upgraded to become solid state. This school was not done because that would not have been financially advantageous while we were planning on uh demolishing the school at that time. Right. So, we would want to upgrade that. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. So, that's something we could do this summer and we would simply continue that project with Seammens or their design as they have already done the rest of the district. Um, and then we have the uh [clears throat] the actual relocatable classrooms. Um, Carrie Shivers and her team, as you guys probably know, have done a lot of reo improvements and relocations. Most notably last year for the sixth to middle school. So relocatables, there would be two
064of them where they used to be where they used to originally live on the campus there at the south end of the building where there's still remnants of pads there where there were reoss. We would relocate the small there's a small modern prek classroom there uh play structure, excuse me. It is bolted to the ground. It's not it's not a question of having to dig out pilings. So we could move that where there is a need to Orion and kind of that would also help that school program. And so that's included in the cost there. Those reloads would be remodeled. The roofs would be redone as necessary with uh ramps and and that's a cost package that's built into these options. So we wanted to present that as kind of that what could we do
065right now uh to make those things immediately available and improved. So there is one just truth in lending um because we haven't done a design yet on making those triangular shaped pod rooms into four classrooms. There may be ventilation changes that need to be made as well once permanent walls get put in there. So there may be other things. We're just trying to get an idea tonight um which direction we head so we can start getting um a design and come back with a more accurate cost estimate. I think most of you know that um and we'll talk about that e even more when we get to the boilers where Carrie says we have to punch a hole through the wall to get them out because there's not a door big enough. Um, a lot
066of these we don't wouldn't until we had a design be able to come back with um an an absolutely accurate uh estimate. So these are these are rough order of magnitude until we start moving forward. >> I'm going to interrupt just briefly with I think we've got two questions. Um the the $310,000 the $750,000. What line item is that coming from? And what how would administrations spend the $440,000 delta between option A and option B? >> Uh option A and option B. The main um piece in flux there is the pod modification for those classrooms. >> So how if you had if we if the board chose option B, where would you put the other $440,000? Well, we wouldn't have to spend it. It's >> You saying you don't have anywhere to spend it? I'm
067>> No, no, we could. What what we're saying is depending on the board's direction, depending on what we could get done this summer, we we could do the broader of the two options or if we have to if we if it is deemed that we need to for financial reasons, we could neck that down to to option B. And anything not done this summer could be added to when the roof over the gym really does need to be replaced. That portion of it, you could always add on classrooms later if we found out that we simply couldn't get it done this summer or if the cost was something that we really wanted to go lean on this first summer. knowing that by the second summer we'll have another year to plan as to potentially what's
068the direction u for a long-term strategy for that building and for that school. Um I mean it's really we're trying to be as flexible as possible while giving you um some realistic estimates for what it would cost. and and President uh Jacobs, I promised you I could find a place to spend that money in that building, but this was a nod toward austerity. >> Understood. And I I'm sure that was your answer. Thank you, sir. Um I'm going to circle back to the I think the first half of my question one more time. Is would this money come out of our general maintenance budget? Would we be using the funding that was previously approved by voters from the bond? So, I would I would get with uh Tom and his team, really Rachel Molina Loen,
069and look at the major maintenance grant money that we have from last year. um look at um unspent bond funds for closed out projects and present the board with a board memo um probably in January um to be able to start us to shift those funds over so we can get the designs going, get the renovations started on the reoss during the uh you know now or as soon as possible so when it is time to move them over there the the reloads are ready. Um, you know, when we did the timeline for sixth grade middle school decisions, um, the farther you push those decisions, the the more difficult it is for, uh, Car's team to be able to get the reos in shape, um, get everything done, get all all the permits done to
070be able to pull it off. So, we're really just looking to move forward in January with a simple direction, and then as we get designs done, we'd come back with with firmer numbers. But, you know, we do have about we do have the FEMA money that that's inbound and quite a bit we have received. Um, some of that is as we get to the next slide could go towards the future fire suppression system if that's what the board wanted. Um, there's there's a number of things that really there's no clean way to to answer it because I don't know what the board wants to do long term. um there is funds for us to move forward focusing on 500 kids um and to get that school in a better condition to support education in August
071and and that's really what those two are for. >> So really to drill down into I think the root of my question, would the $440,000 have to be used at Abid Loop at all? Do we have other capital needs where those funds could be used responsibly? >> We have a lot of needs. >> Thank you. the district. The the question is what do four board members or more think the long-term strategy is for Brookula? And that's why we're asking. >> Understood. Um I I think the challenge with this slide doesn't articulate a vision for where else those funds could be used and doesn't really highlight what I think everyone here at the dis and everyone at your tables knows that we have huge capital needs. We have leaky roofs across the municipality of Anchorage and
072it's seen as support a charter school this much or support a charter school this a lesser amount and there's no other alternative vision um reference and so I think that's >> to be fair we we would probably put them on uh the e lights that we're replacing I mean right now we're replacing a lot of emergency lights it's going to cost a significant chunk of funds but we have to do it because they're going bad. So, but there could be a thousand different things between Rob and Carrie where they could come up with $400,000 worth of needs. >> That's was just hoping to get that on our record. Thank you. Uh member Higgins, the member Belly. >> Thank you. Um the two relocatable classrooms, would that be something we're providing to CL? Now, I'm wondering
073how the cost is. So, I thought the cost was going to be a lot higher just for that. And you've got other things in here. Where is that coming from? Do we have those classrooms or you just have to bring them in? So there's no cost to buying them. We just have them already. >> We have them as excess. Um but Carrie would have to do an assessment on them. I'll let you talk through the types of renovations we did for the middle schools. >> Sure. Absolutely. So they would be relocatable classrooms that we currently have in our inventory. There would be a cost to do the civil portion to get the ground ready to accept those reos, the movement of those reoss. And then once they're in place, there's the stairs, the ADA ramp
074landings that needs to be put into place. Oftent times our roof or the reo will have to be replaced as well. They're really they're pretty old. And then um in on the inside and outside of those reos, what we did is we replaced the carpet and we did an interior and exterior paint. Um some of the reos depending on their condition also required some maintenance on the windows, some adjustments for the doors and then um blinds put on the windows as well. So I appreciate that. I knew the cost to relocate was a lot higher than that and I was kind of figuring that out. I know that Wila had to pay that cost before when they were located across from HU and I've said okay well we buying stuff and we're not. We're moving
075them and I I don't have a problem with that at all. I I think as I spoke out before the idea of saving the school Wilers made it real clear I think at this point they would like the security of the facility. I mean we heardCCS that they wanted to dream of having a new school built for them by uh Alaskan Native organizations that didn't happen. We everybody has dreams and it doesn't mean we have to deal with the reality of what's going on. And the reality is just picking a school to be able to create an opening is not something I don't think the board is interested in. And I hope and so I think this is this is looking out for 500 kids in a safe facility, giving them a lot of flexibility.
076It's relatively low cost, a lot cheaper than, you know, wasting money tearing it down and I appreciate that. Thank you, >> member Bellam. >> Yes. Thank you. Just so I'm clear, the fire marshall has said that if we come up with the plan, he will approve us using the building. from now until >> can I I'm gonna speak to that member Belme because I was um present during the conversation. Um >> the the fire marshall's office indicated that they understand that there currently isn't a plan and that's because of a the board hasn't provided direction yet. However, it likely will go one of two ways. is either there'll be a significant capital investment in the facility uh because this and future boards choose not to rightsize um our footprint or um our footprint will inevitably
077be rightsized and there will be a space for programs like Roku in a building that has less intensive capital needs. And um while we address one of those two paths, um I heard them indicate clearly that they were willing to give us a bit more runway um through um summer of 2030. Mr. Anderson, do I have that correct? >> That's correct. And I I think as long as um in terms of the waiver, I think they're going to want to see evidence like a bond or funding um acquired with a plan. Um but right now they certainly were willing to just off discussion extend it for an extra year um if it ends up on on the CIP and it looks like the board is at least looking at that as as an option or
078as a plan. And you'll see that on the next slide I didn't actually put the year that we would do the fire suppression system pending discussions. Currently, the CIP is going off in a 2023 memo that says we're going to declare Abbot Loop excess. Um, you know, that's that appears unlikely to me after the discussion two weeks ago. Um, but, you know, we'll see what happens tonight with with the vote. Um so we were asked to come back with a plan and and we'll walk you through what we think is a possible solution um for if Roka Schuler stays at that facility and that is this board and future board's decision. >> And my other question is is I'm I'm leaning toward option A. That's me Margot. Uh however, I'm just interested in knowing would
079there be any um financial commitment from Rukushula >> or is that just >> So my assumption my assumption although board guidance we we haven't talked about this at the board um is that once we bonded over $6 million for Aquarian that and once we went ahead and put in the secure vestibule at Lake Hood for ANCCS without asking um to pay for that or or contribute toward it that the path is ASD students or ASD students >> and as landlords, managers of the facilities. Um at least for this particular board, it appears that we we look at that as our obligation as uh property managers >> barring barring more detailed board guidance. Got it. >> Member lessons. >> Thank you. Um maybe a comment and then a question. Um one conversation that arose during the
080transition from sixth graders to middle school when I visited one of the receiving schools is that the students using the reos which I felt were really well done. Um that's just my opinion, but um they needed access to doors that were locked through things like uh fobs, you know, and we I think that there was a memo at some point um allocating a little bit of money to kind of upgrade that access. So I just would want to maybe put a little asterisk and say let's if we're putting reloads at Abbott Loop, we may also want to ensure that students are able to use the restrooms easily inside the facility the means and you know so maybe there's a cost to that. I don't know if you want to respond. >> Absolutely. Um so currently
081at Abbott Loop they do not have a fob system. They do have a buzz-in doorbell intercom at their front office door. So, we could look at adding a a buzzin intercom at the um reload door as well if that is something that you guys would like us to do. >> I guess as as I just it seems like common courtesy for seventh and eighth graders who I assume would be students in the reos. That's just my one individual board member opinion. But um my other question is really the timeline and we touched about this a little bit. Um you sort of you spoke about the need to um make some plans maybe a memo in January. I feel as though the elephant in the room, the $83 million elephant in the room, is that we
082have to pass a balanced budget in February. And that's going to be exceptionally challenging to do. It will be even more exceptionally challenging if to not um have huge increases in class sizes. I mean, I I maybe there's a way, maybe somebody else found a a way. And I started looking at PTR allocations of schools sort of circa February of 2025. Um, and I think that PTR allocations could be even sparser. Um, I mean, sorry, FTE allocations, right, at certain schools. It strikes me that there could be a need to maintain services to students through budget related con consolidations that could potentially create a space for real to move into through a budget conversation. And that's just me and I realize that there are seven opinions up here and the administration has a variety of
083opinions as well. So I guess the simple question is what is the timeline the administration needs simply for um I guess moving forward with either option A or option B right now? And is there any way that could wait until after the budget is passed at the end of February? >> We could put in the budget transfer. Again, this is not going to be general funds, but fund three monies. Um, we could put in that budget transfer memo in February and still pull it off. Um, the I mean we we operate like this every year and it's all about how bad do you want it um and and the closer you get to May uh the more difficult it is to pull off before the beginning of school. So I would say really by the
084end of February we need to know which direction we're going. Um and and frankly we've tried to close almost 15 schools in three years and we and we haven't done it. So I mean is it possible in a twoe period we could pull it off? I I don't know. Um, I know I know right now we have 500 kids in a space that was never designed for 500 kids and we need to do something to make it better for their education by August of next year. That part I know is true. So if we have to push it to February and that's what the board wants, then we certainly could do that. But by March, Carrie needs to be getting contracts in to get reos renovated, new roofs put on, ramps built, um, power prepped,
085um, and the other the other things like the the major boiler maintenance and the pneumatics upgrades, we've got to order parts, we've got to get contracts in place. So, this isn't something that we can wait until after the legislature has firmed up funding for next year and then say, "Hey, I guess we can start in two weeks." That's just then we have we have now missed the cut off completely. So I I would say February is absolutely the latest we can go. >> Um I I don't know. Is administration looking for feedback right now on options? I'm I'm I think I'm pro option B. I think a a comfortable feel so we can start turning it from a ROM into something a little more concise. So, in January, we can we can uh talk with
086people, get better estimates, start building the board memo. Um, we could do a board memo with option A and option B on it. We don't typically do that, but but we certainly could. Um, you know, having it we're going to see a lot of discussions in January and February. Um, you know, I I my guess is that Rico is here next August in this building. I think that's the most likely scenario. So, we're doing something this spring. I just don't know which one. >> Are there other I heard member Bellamy indicate she's option A. Is that correct? >> Okay. Are there other board members who wish to weigh in on option A or option B while we're at this juncture? Member Higgins. >> Oh. Um, but I'm supportive of option A. >> Member Lesus. >>
087Of options A and B, I would choose B. >> Member Donley. >> I'd support option A, but if there's not votes for that, I'd support option B. Member Holland, would you like to weigh in? I'd want to look at numbers a little bit more, but I I do agree with what Mr. Anderson says. We're going to be doing something. >> And then member Wilson, any feedback on option A or option B on this slide. >> It at this time it would be B because of our um the budget deficit we're looking at to try to break up some of these costs. >> Seeing no other feedback, Mr. Anderson, there you go. And perfect. And uh I'll let Rob and Carrie talk about the leaks in the roof over the gymnasium. I think if if we
088and it might be Larry that does this or Tom um whoever grabs the mic first. There are a significant number of leaks and I think that by summer 27 we we need to if this is going to be occupied for the long term I I think we really need to fix that. >> Sure. I can speak to that. So, definitely um if we were going to be in that building any longer than a year, I would highly recommend we address the roof over the gymnasium. The rest of the roof system also needs to be addressed. It probably has about five or 10 years of life left in it. Um there is one catch basin in a classroom currently. Um and we are are keeping that roof together as best as we can, but um the
089immediate concern is the roof over the gymnasium. Okay. Then uh and we don't have to decide this in February. Um but depending on um how aggressive the board wants to get on amendments to the six-year plan, I think everyone knows that the six-year plan, the most important year is year one, which is the bond for the following spring. Um the rest of the plan doesn't need to be decided for that facility um by tonight. Uh but we will certainly bring it back as as we look at firming up what is the long-term strategy for that school. And you can see, so a a quick history on um the last time we tried to get the boiler or not the boiler, the uh um fire suppression system put in, we went out for a bond and
090it was just the fire suppression system. Um we didn't have a single bidder for that project. So when Tom and Larry and Edie and I went round and round and round on this, what we realized was um you know there are a lot of companies that um especially at that time um that weren't bidding on ASD projects anymore and it was right after a policy passed and and so they weren't bidding and and we couldn't get a general contractor to do it because it was not a big enough project. uh for them to want to tackle. So Tom's recommendation is if we're going to keep it long-term and we know that we need a fire suppression system, then let's mix it with the boilers and the secure vestibule. Uh because that's safety of children as
091well. And and when you go out on a bigger project, more complex, you're probably going to get one of our big general contractors pick that project up um to include the fire suppression system and be able to pull that pull that project off. Realistically, um as a standalone, um there's clearly risks. Um it's not a lot of trades. However, um it's a big cost and chances are high we would we would struggle finding uh potentially a contractor to want to do that job and and I I'll leave it at that. >> U member Higgins. Yeah, I'll just mention that as chair with the of the school community work agreement. This is one of those issues that if it becomes an issue where we have trouble with bids of the issues, we've moved it out of
092the out of that in the past. We've done that and we I would expect us to do it again if we felt like we couldn't get bidders for it with that type of agreement because of there just isn't a union out there with some of these things. And um so I I think that could be one barrier that we we would address positively. Yeah, I think most of the board members remember we went out for bid right after the CWA was passed. It wasn't in place yet, but it was passed and you know people were unwilling to accept that risk. So then then we get to the longer term. If Rico is um really going to stay at that facility and that looks like a long long-term facility, there is additional maintenance requirements and deferred
093maintenance. It's an old building like dozens of our buildings are old. Um, and there's probably I don't know Tom may and Larry may know there's more than a dozen plus schools that also need a significant amount of money put in them to keep them going for decades to come. So, I didn't put that money I didn't put that figure down as a um administration's trying to scare people. It's just all of our buildings that are that old need a lot of money. Um, this is one of them. So, I didn't want anyone confused that, you know, really for $7 million plus a secure vestibule and the boilers, which we don't know the cost yet, um that would be it. It's like every building, it it needs a roof later and it needs all these other
094things just like every other school that needs maintenance. And then I I thought we could have a discussion. And I don't know if there's anything more the board wants to talk about. I don't know if board members want to bring up amendments that they plan on bringing up tonight just to kind of get them out there as feelers um for for a discussion um just to make tonight's meeting go a little cleaner. I I'm not sure. You know, we do a lot of work sessions and a lot of them when it comes to capital plans, the talking is mostly from this way that forward and and I think we've got the time right now for board members to uh you know discuss the direction they think we're headed. Member >> Yeah. I I guess let
095me make sure I got timeline. If one do a motion tonight to remove the um Abbott Loop demolition uh from the long-term from the six year uh plan uh would be one thing. Then are you looking for another motion tonight to go ahead and approve A or B or would you rather once we remove it from being being uh demolished and and removed then you come back in January or something with this and ask for an approval at that time. Is that how it would work? >> That's correct. And then on any of the other ones, years two through whatever, those those would be part of next year's CIP most likely. >> Well, we'll wait for the vote, but I think I'm I'm going to end up or if someone else doesn't move a motion
096to remove uh the demolition from the capital plan and then from that then we'll look at January for you to be coming back if it's approved. Thank you. >> I'll jump in with a question. We'll go to Member Hollowman. Is am I correct? I think I heard you say, Mr. Anderson, that there's no urgent need to address the demolition in 28 for Abbott Loop on our CIP tonight. Either way, >> that is correct. >> Okay. Um, as this board is still figuring out how and when it wants to address right sizing, I think that's my preference and I'll likely be vote voting that way. Um, it sounds like there be some discussion about more emergent closures. Um, and I think we probably need to have a bunch of conversation before we identify how and when
097we're going to um, utilize capital funds. Um, specifically because they're so scarce right now. Uh, member Holland. Yeah, I was going to say I it seems like we as a board need to decide what our approach is to all the different programs that may want to be housed and do we aggressively want to make space and maintain that space for them. Otherwise, we we've given these good folks a lot of our feelings and you know, if you go to cars and try to buy something with your feelings, it it doesn't go very good. But we really need to look at that and and I see I see value in it. Um if we can afford to do it and and that's the constraint I think in this this is a case of our assumed desires
098running up against the reality of what our budget is. Um, we do have a fair segment of the public that's sort of pounding on us to reduce our footprint, but we actually have these really good, viable programs that people like and and ideally they should be in our buildings. They should have that level of safety, that level of oversight. Um, but I I do think we need to decide that. are are we ready to turn around to the public and explain that and go forward and then then we could be a lot more coherent and I I don't think we have been too much but certainly at the beginning our goal was to to close some neighborhood schools and divest buildings as a way to save money and we have wandered off course on that
099for all the right reasons but but I do think we need to decide for sure what our intent is as a board um going forward so that so that we can make decisions that make sense. >> Member Dler. Um to follow up on what member Higgins said about the CIP the six-year capital plan tonight I have submitted an amendment that would delete the demolition of Abal the Abaloop building and also the text that discusses that there any other board member who wishes to ask a question bring a point for discussion or discuss an amendment member lessons >> um thank Thank you. Uh at some point in the last meeting or work session, I can't recall, I discussed a couple of conceptual amendments. One had to do with Abbot Loop. I think given the new information
100this afternoon, um I am not feeling the urgency to address Abbott Loop through the CIP. Um, so I think that the extended waiver is feels exceedingly helpful right now and I really do commend and appreciate the work that went into um, getting that extended waiver. Um, and also really appreciate that the two options, options A and options B that we were able to talk about. Um, I actually did want to share that I the other amendment that I conceptualized um I will be sharing with Miss Sullivan um more formally and and that will be to address um I believe year four on the project table which is which would replace Chooak with Eagle River to help develop a an Eagle River High School master plan uh for a future renovation. specifically to ask the board
101to deal with the reality of changing enrollment in the Triak and Eagle River areas. And um I recognize that that's a few years down the road. Um but but I think that's something that deserves at least discussion. So not for this time in the states right now. Um but just wanted to share that. So for clarity on year four change the uh chooak design to Eagle River. >> Yes. And that is out of um awareness prior to my time on the school board that it was Eagle River High School was built with the capacity to have an additional wing added on should it need to grow in the future. And that's not really a conversation that we've had with with this team. >> Um, >> so maybe it's an inappropriate amendment to bring forward, but
102um or maybe we just need to push pause on that right now and address it in a year's time. I guess I wanted to raise it just to say that um we need especially with our budget projections. I'd like to make sure that students at our high schools get access to um a robust range of courses, electives, CTE opportunities, and I uh I am not so certain that the pupil teacher ratio increases that we're going to require to balance the budget are going to allow robust curricular offerings at those schools um in FY27 and in the future. I mean, this is this is a larger conversation to have, but uh I'm worried about our ability to serve students needs at our smallest comprehensive high schools. >> So, you would just remove Chooi Act from any
103discussion on the CIP potentially. >> I'm just making sure as we do it. Sometimes amendments get passed and then we have to clean up the administrative piece. >> Yes. Um, I have not formally submitted the language, >> okay, >> to Dr. Bryant or to Miss Sullivan yet. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Seeing no other discussion, we are just over 90 minutes on our work session. I will uh adjourn our work session, then we'll resume our regular meeting at 6 PM. Thank you everyone.