001Okay, we're good. All right. Good morning, everyone. We'll call this meeting of the ASD School Board Governance Committee to order. Today is Thursday, May 8th at 11:03 a.m. in the board conference room. We'll go through introductions in the room first starting with myself was chairman of the meeting today. Carl Jacobs my right Higgins school board member and committee man executives Gustin chief technic superintendent Tony Riley senior director for equity and community engagement Peggy Ranken senior director of talent Andrew Sun senior director employee and labor relations all sold. Do we have anyone online? Yes, we have um member Alman and member Lessons and Mr. Jim Anderson. Great. And I believe that um member Wilson will be joining as well shortly. Excellent. Welcome all. Okay, call ourselves to order. Announced our presence. We'll move on to discussion
002being one our rotating triangal policy review starting with 4119.3. board member chance to review this and we'll continue on as been our past practice. Member Engles, I'm curious as to when the last time they may have done a a classification review at all with the school district. That's something that is a real pain to do. Um, and it didn't always affect you, but it has benefits. you know, if identifies positions that are mclassified um has a chance to review the qualifications as well today can be really important as well and then it gets to be the compensation comparison. So I'm just kind of curious if if the school district does that at all or just try to maintain what they've done. That occurs through the uh collect and bargaining process in some ways. Sometimes those
003classifications are looked at between the union and the district as we assess contractual changes for the various groups. Um, another process that the district uses what we call a reclassification committee. Um, which stands up uh anywhere from two time usually two times a year a couple times more depending on if there are urgent needs. Um, and that committee consists of several of the chiefs and HR representatives who are reviewing that. Usually those requests are brought at the um by the departments who are seeking the request. Um I I can't speak to historic practices around fraud classifications in the district whether that's a a practice that's been looked at. I would say it occurs normally um on an as needed basis um and through the collective bar process that gets looked at collectively between the district.
004changing a position from one level to another is vacant is going to go through that kind of lengthy process, I'm sure. Right. It depends. Um, if it's staffed, it it usually goes through the reclassification process or has to go through the reclassification process. If it's an unstaffed position, it depends on where it's at. Sometimes you might do it through a letter of agreement with the union to if a classification change is needed. Okay. Thank you, Member Higgins. Are there any requested or suggested changes to this policy? Otherwise, we'll mark it as reviewed and continue on with our agenda. Hearing seeing none, move on to our next item, 4119.4. The board a minute to read this and we'll continue on. any suggested modifications to board policy member Higgins I see a question but normally I would
005have said any long-term disability resulting from the contraction of an infectious disease may be addressed through those because sometimes you don't need ADA accommodations to all but yeah if you need to addressing things to ADA. So that's fine. Not hearing or seeing any other requested changes, we'll consider this reviewed for purposes and then we'll move on to 41 4120. any requested changes to this board policy for anyone who um may not remember. We just looked at this in February, so we'll align the dates of review, but the board just had this in front hearing. And seeing no concerns, we'll mark 4120 as reviewed for a perennial process and then continue on 4122. Any requested changes? Member no changes. I was just wondering for the super has this thing been expanding at all in in the
006recent past or is it pretty consistent participation rate? It's gone down a little. It's going down a little because we don't have the university right here in Anchorage. That's the credit line. Oh, that's right. There's less applicants in our state. Wber Higgins hearing and seeing no requested changes, we'll mark 4122 reviewed and move on to 4131. Thank you to some member Wilson's as well. Excellent. Thank you, Member Wilson. Member Wilson, we're uh engaging in our trial policy review. Um we're on 4130, which you should be seeing on your screen. Feel free to chime in if you have feedback or requested changes. Thank you. Any requested modifications to the sport policy hearing? Seeing that we'll consider this reviewed and we'll move on to 4132. Do we have lunch? We have copyright material from staff that one
007Diana. Um, so we uh have copyrighted two uh items that I'm aware of. The nestate just recently got copyrighted. That was the third grade social studies curriculum and the second grade curriculum. [Music] Um, oh my gosh, I forgot the name places has to do with Anchorage. It's a book about Anchorage. That's a second grade curriculum and that has been copyrighted. Okay. That's copyrighted by the staff member who did it or No, it's copyrighted by us with in collaboration and then so my understanding the purpose of this particular policy is it's noting that if a teacher helps to create materials uh during the day with within the work that we do in curriculum adoption that it belongs to us. Thank you member for the question. Any other uh comments or suggested changes from the board? Seeing
008none, we'll move on to 4133 travel expenses. member. Yeah. But the only thing the wording here, the school board shall pay for actual necessary expenses including travel, blah blah blah. Um, what we don't have in there is preapproved, right? I mean, that's really what we're talking about. If the stool school has a need for that, you still have to have pre-approval from a financial standpoint to to do that. Normally that's a statement that's in those policies that I'm used to. Approval shall pay the actual and necessary expenses. Uh you know pre-approved you know performing services. Huh? Performing authorized services at the top right corner. Top right corner authorized well performing authorized services performing authorized services that directly related to the job. I still exactly do that. It's preapproved, but are there other questions or suggested
009modifications to BP 4135? Okay. Yeah, I know. All right, we'll move on to 4135. Our last trienal review board work policy today. soliciting. So requested modifications or clarifications to board policy 4135. 5 42 35 and 4330. Okay. Hearing and seeing none, we'll consider our trial policy review section of our agenda complete and we'll move on to our uh second item on our agenda. Um B2 AR 5127 graduation reunion. Yes. So, this was originally created in collaboration with the Native Advisory Committee and other boards including MEAC um and other Alaskan Native cultural experts. As we are preparing for graduation this year, we realized that some of our wording um did not align directly with um Alaska state law around tribal regalia uh HB 152. And specifically it was just around not just wearing but also carrying
010tribal regalia. So that's where you will see um that addition of carrying tribal regalia and objects of cultural significance. And we also aligned our definition of tribal regalia or objects of cultural significance with the language that was in that bill. Thank you for the update on AR-5127. As a reminder to the committee and board, um, ARS are presented as anformational item and don't require board approval. However, if there's board feedback, we can share that with administration and ARS have been modified as is necessary. Are there questions regarding the graduation regalia administrative regulation at this time? Right. My only comment would be I remember when this issue came up with the graduation and and the fact that we taken this position which is progressive and supported by all appreciate the faith in position. Okay. Not hearing
011any comments. Thank you Mr. Riley for presenting and the updates. I think we're good to go. All right. We'll move on to our next item on our agenda, board policy 5131.6, alcohol and other drugs. Believe the rest of these items relate to a AASB recommended volume of life improvement update. Is administration interest in discussing this item? The exception of the last one. Now, the alcohol and other drugs, they added a section in here, ASV that o opioid overdose protection. And so, um, I do have Kathy here if you have any questions about that. We don't have any concerns about adding that. Member He says here, you know, there's shopping at every school, but sometimes nurses who call in too. What do we how do we meet that requirement? All principles are also trained. Okay, you're
012back. And um we trained security guards. The nurses were asked to train security guards and the instructions. It's a nasal spray. The instructions are like four little easy to follow. Yeah. So, because you can actually get opioid nan kits at a like pharmacy and they don't have to go through a formal training to get it. So, it's very easy to use. Okay. and and we have them um I was able to get red boxes which are um next and they have two um narc kits in them and they're placed next to IAS nurses have them placed next to all the AEDs in the building. So like high schools are supposed to have three AEDs. Two and elementary have one. Um and they placed it right next to it and they're I've asked them to move
013the AEDs near a public area, not necessarily lock in the office if that's where they have it or get an additional one. These have to be involved in their training with the AED type stuff. And the old type versus the new type is relatively straightforward. It's not as tricky if you do it wrong. Right. Right. It gives you instructions. I mean, anybody could use an AED also, but I just have the red box for the anarch placed right next to the AED for easy for ease of people being school. So, we meet all these criteria already, so there's no concerns about adding that. Okay. Not hearing other questions, concerns, or feedback from the board. Then I think the appropriate action would be to ask if there's any objection part of the board or committee members
014for moving this on with the recommendation to approve as a agenda item at a board business meeting. Any objection? Hearing seeing none, we will make it so. Thank you. Uh we'll move on to our next item. 5141.3 health examinations. Again, on this one, this is just language changes by AASB. So, no significant um concerns that we had on any of the language that they put in there. Just a minute to digest this. Make sure we're on the same page. Member says the school board recognize importance and courageous competence of the school, but we focus on students. We're talking about staff. We talking about both. Okay. Just just kind of curious because that sometime sometimes staff want to provide information. They're not required. And I read that any feedback on the AASB revised 5141.3 hearing. And
015seeing none, then I will ask if there's any objection to us moving 5141.3 forward as an agenda item at our next um well at a future board business. Not hearing any objection, we will make that. So our next item 5141.31. So this is immunization. So they have updated this to be current. Um I wanted Kathy to talk about one change we do have from AASB around exemptions. Um that's in the live. she could just speak to that one and that is um the last line of that second paragraph. Oh, they did add it. Okay. Yeah, because those need to be renewed annually. Medical be just one deal someone has and annually that's the law. So, our recommendation was to add religious exemptions because those are the only ones that need to be renewed annually. ASB
016just said um exemptions must be agreed manually. Health ones don't need to. So, it's just being a little bit more precise. We had some some requests come in for personal reasons that not, you know, I just don't like it. I think I'm listening to officials to say to get immunizations, you die, whatever else is going on out there. You got a lot of negatives out there with with immunizations. So by changing personal to religious then that limits them being able to say just I just don't like well the religious that's what the form is called from the state. It's called a religious exemption though it doesn't have to be signed by a religious member of the church or synagogue or anything. It just has to be notorized and it has to be done annually. But
017that's what the state calls it is a religious exception. And so that's why we're going with that wording. But I understand what you're saying about with all this other stuff that's coming up now. Yeah. Not and and and it's not I have to be honest. It's not usually just reason. Is this a big problem? One problem at all. People refuse it to Oh yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's it's been it's increased more since um co and co vaccines when they refuse to do the immunization for personal reasons. What are the consequences? They fill out this religious form and they have to do it annually. When I first started with the district, you only had to fill it out one time and that was it. And a medical exemption one time and that was it. It
018covered you your whole time you're with Anchorage School District. But they realized that more and more people were either changing their mind or whatever. So they change it to annually. Thank you member further questions. Are there any objections for the changes here or moving this item [Music] forward for approval by the full board of future business? Okay, we will make it so hearing. ing. Then we'll move on to 514151 at rescues. Um, this one also was revised by AUSB. Um, they changed some language in there in the top in the first paragraph. Um, but what I want to point out that is new in this section is the last sentence of the first paragraph. We're talking about at risk youth is not just social and emotional types of at risk um but also academic at
019risk. So they've added that line. District assessments and evaluations shall be used to identify students performing well below grade level or at risk of failing to meet district um standards. We're we are already doing that as a school district. So um that is the one piece I wanted to point out. And then just some changes in language in the second paragraph. The other piece that I wanted to point out is we previously did not have this last section starting with program planning should examine um those pieces. We didn't have that in our um board policy before. We did review it. This is stuff we do regularly. So if it's in that AASB has it, we're we're fine because it's you know things we review annually to determine um whether students are at risk. So um
020that would be up to the board to determine if you want to add that back. [Music] Well below grade level is that generally two years or more. I I saw that. The reason why I say that is I went to NSBA media conference. Arkansas was trying to address the numbers with special ed IEPs and all and they were using the two years or more and they put more resources into the elementary school and they reduced how many people were falling into that category, but they used the two-year criteria to be able to say it was a world two years. Yeah, I think um um Mr. could speak to that more, but they're using standardized tests and criterion based tests which are equivalent. If you look at how far below kids are, it's usually about two
021years or more, but that's not the language we necessarily use. We we use cut scores and but it's a it's pretty equivalent to about that with Yeah. If they reduce that, then they'll no longer fall into the at risk, right? That was that's how they reduced this for sure. Yeah. But we never have thought of at risk as the academic side in this particular board policy. So it's expanding that looking at academic atrisiskness. Right. Any additional questions or concerns about this revision 514151 before we move this forward to for approval by the full board at a future business hearing. Seeing none, we will make that. So, thank you. Thank you team. No, very efficient. Real quickly, just say Jenny, is this the last room you probably attending? I don't think so. I I have had
022the opportunity to work with Jenny a lot and I know she's retiring and I got to tell you, your contribution to the district has been tremendous. Um, just tremendous amount of respect for what you've been doing and we'll miss you. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'll be advocating for education in another way. You can use excessive force if you want. Maybe you'll come to find some of us. Some of us are in denial about you leaving. Yeah. So, I'm going to contribute. I'm going to train up school sites to come to the next. Perfect. Thank you very much. All right. We'll move on to our last discussion item which is board policy 1000 concepts and roles. I know that this wasn't a ASB item and it looks like there's a small revision. How it
023got here is not something I remember offhand but I sure it was it was revised by member lesson quite a bit ago. I think it was over a year ago and it just never made it onto a meeting. So before we uh brought it to a meeting thought we'd just bring it through governance one more time. Yes, ma'am. Okay, perfect. All right. So, a minor change that was approved quite some time ago, which would explain my lack of recollection and asking if there's any objection from the board from reapproving this previously recommended minor change to BP- 1000 before we move forward with placing this on a agenda item a future business. Yeah, I don't believe it's going to change anything that's been happening. So, okay. Okay. All right. We will make that. So, thank you,
024committee. And with that said, we've got uh we've completed our discussion items in board policy. So, thank you for that. We'll move on to new business, which is a um as promised, I think member Higgins had explicit interest in further discussion regarding the recent purchasing audit. So, we scheduled some time during this extra meeting to catch up. Um, as board members will recall that we've um been a bit behind uh policy review and addressing policies during the right sizing and budget um challenges which have kind of occurred back toback and stifle some of that work. And so we're we're getting caught up and now we're creating an extra space during this extra meeting uh for any audit discussion that remains. Um and then we'll still have our regularly scheduled meeting coming up on the appointment.
025So member Higgins, do you want to start us off? Well, uh, well, first of all, we got purchasing recommending that we have a a work committee. Uh, they didn't define how that work committee would be formed or who it would be reporting to or what we' be engaged with. We never really did the kind of detail audit kind of approach that they did. They did a high level review. Uh, but it seemed like having a a committee to participate in the rest of that does make sense to me. I like that approach. We could end up getting individuals. We get somebody from this municipality. We get somebody state, we get somebody from a large business that's involved with all the purchasing type operations and they come in. We we uh and and be participating. I'd
026like to afford to at least be engaged enough with it to make sure that the issues or concerns if we have any that the committee would do uh to be it that way. But I I do think we need to go forward with that. They've identified where we can save a large amount of money. it would not that may or may not be a valid conclusion about saving it but by ignoring it I don't think we're um from reputation standpoint from the public dollar standpoint makes sense to not follow this pretty quickly so um the process on that committee I would like to have a chance for the board to somebody with the board to be engaged in how that committee who's engaged with it who's participating in the committee Uh so it's not so
027it's a real committee type of approach. We want somebody from the audit team talked to um council bas city schools about that. He indicated support of that having one of the audit groups be part of that meeting which makes sense because they had a good high level review and they've got bring in something else uh that could be a benefit to it. So in addition to anybody that administration would want to be in there looking for beyond that it would be nice to get something sorted. I don't think it would be that difficult for that group to take a look at to participate and with the kind of issues have what do they recommend and how do they do things different? Thank you member Higgins. Um Dr. Brian, any thoughts and response? I don't know
028if your team has had time to digest the findings and if um the recommendation regarding a committee structure um to improve operations might be forthcoming and if that's been given any thought as to composition. Uh so I I wish uh Andy Ratick were here could chime in with more details, but I know we're fully committed to implementing the recommendations. really I just wanted to um hear from the board what you all want the process to be so we can fully um cooperate with that process and form as um member Higgins or whoever sees fit board. We just need the structure and then we can start. So I'm not hearing just to be clear that I'm not hearing any opposition to potentially the board um asking someone to be able to sit on those meetings. Is
029that something the district administration would object to? No, no objection at all. just wanted clarity as to who's in the driver's seat, who's directing the audits, and I think this process would let the board take the lead on it, and I would supply the experts. So, that makes sense to me. All right, member Higgins, is there other just going forward then is to to to have a next step. what we're doing then um uh identifying those one reaching out to Gracie Schools for one of those auditors is something we need to do but then the state municipality is easy for somebody on the board or anybody to do and say group that participate they wouldn't I'm not sure that they will participate in it and then outside of that but then the general public who
030that might be just to have that kind of overview so that for the credibility we've addressed the issues and concerns and I don't know something you want me to do something illustration who but the municipality and the state is easy for me to contact as well to see what they could do and present it to the administration to take a review of it and I don't mind taking that role but if we've got a different approach that's fine. Yeah. Um, so you're asking specifically to engage stakeholders in uh to identify what types of audits they might be able to support the board in performing. Yeah. Okay. Um, member Higgins, if you want to take lead on getting some information. I don't object to you doing that. Dr. Brian, do you have thoughts? Uh, so I
031just want to be clear the role of the auditor. I thought the role of the auditor is to be on the committee so we can look at the council's findings and and start implementing the findings. Well, they're a little bit more than that. They're coming in as one of the top person within a large school district and they have their own processes that go beyond just that recommendations and they know how they've set up their policy, why they've done it the way they've done, and issues that might come up. We've got a free top person from a large school district participating to give us recommendations on how we might handle things here as well. So, I see it beyond just those recommendations. I see it as a free consultant. Uh he you know you get
032like I said you get the top person from the large school district within these are very large school districts all large uh but they have their own policies procedures and processes uh within it. That's how we built the current policies. We had uh two people that were top within they were head of the purchasing association kind of group within the country but they were heads of purchasing for large uh school districts. They came in rewrote our policies did the training and that's why some of these issues I have seems to be inconsistent with what they're doing. Doesn't make one right or wrong but it means that there's possibly a better way of doing it. is all uh so based on what member Higgins is sharing, I think we're essentially on the same page, but what
033I I just want to make sure is that we don't end up going down rabbit holes before we implement the findings for the first audit. I just want to make sure that there's a scope and sequence of what are the objectives is the object. So once that committee defines the objectives, then we can start, you know, adding things, but I just don't want to start adding things until we finish the the findings for this first audit because I'm sure there'll be more. I I don't know with the issue of of let's say purchasing cards for example if all if the idea that it's a half million out if that's even feasible. There are other reasons out there that purchasing looking at it saying wait a minute there's a within our jurisdiction and what we're buying
034and how we're doing it trying to do with prices and all that. there may be good reasons why the pecourt is not being used and I heard a little bit from Dave White on that and so I the idea of implementing this should be done based upon you know what's reasonable because it's not an absolute uh and I respect the fact that Mr. writing has concerns about that. I listened and I understand where that may be coming from. But I think giving that back to the committee to to be able to defend what we do and what we don't do, it's really advantages. I think he should be the one coming up with recommendations of how we're doing it that that committee can be engaged in the process because it also addresses the un unressed
035in you know any concerns that they would didn't want to go because it's below top level. Thank you member H. Sounds like we have a comment from Mr. Anderson. Yes, thank you. Um, so when the when the council brought up the uh POS being used instead of PECards, um, I just want to remind everyone, Andy Ratliff did bring up that the vast majority of the POS that they were talking about that were low dollar amount were actually the way that we pay back aotments to family members because we can't pay them for their educational requirements through PECARDs. Um, and I think that that, you know, there may be some other mechanism in other states, um, where they do it separately or potentially even different funds. Um, but the vast majority of those small dollar, um,
036POS really were student aotments. Um, and it could be the utility bill or the cable bill for the month of November and they'll send in a thing and then we reimburse them for that. And the way that we reimburse is through the purchase order process. I think it'll be an interesting discussion. Um, and it's going to take some time to see if there's an alternative method. Um, but it's certainly tied to the way business plus operates and our inability to pay families with PE cards. And I think as as this committee um discusses it, I hope um there'll be time for discussion as to what the audit findings were because it's true that POS are expensive. Um but the other option is to um develop a whole new system to be able to cut checks
037or some other mechanism or EFTs. Um but the the pecard solution for that one problem set um wasn't articulated as well by the by the auditor. Um but I thought that Andy covered it pretty well during that meeting. Thank you Mr. Anderson. Um but then the feedback is yeah that is relevant. I took that away as well that there might be more context to the finding about how much we can use um PE cards and offload um off of purchase orders. Dr. Brian, then we'll go back to the Yeah, I'm glad that Jim reminded me about that. I I would request that we sit down maybe member Higgins, the chair of governance, um Dave Whiting and Andy Ratlet because I just want to make sure that we're not missing what's actually happen we're not assuming
038things aren't happening when they are so that way we're not being duplicative and requesting audits for things that may be happening or maybe not. I just want to make sure that we're on the same page with the purchases. And I think that's reasonable. Happy to to work with member Higgins to get that scheduled. And then uh member Higgins, if you want to uh conduct your own research as to potential resources for the district and would like to bring back something in writing, it would be very helpful to have an in writing that we can consider and visualize exactly what that might look like. So, you're always welcome to do that. You don't need the committee's permission. I'll go ahead and take that. Great. Yeah, thank you. Um and then I think we've got a plan
039forward. Um, I will happily include a follow-up um item for a similar follow-up item on our next the 529 governance committee meeting agenda. So, you can update us if you have something. Not that we'll have a chance to meet before then potentially, but at the very least it'll stay on our agenda and that I think will be our next step and we'll keep it top of mind. Is there any objection to that? No objections. I just want to um put on the record I'd like to make sure that um Andy Riff and Dave Whiting are at the next governance meeting so that way we don't lose time. I just want to make sure that member meetings are moving expeditiously and we want to get all the right players. No, I'm not interested in doing anything
040without involving the administration completely in this and keeping them to fully informed of what I'm doing. I'm not I'm not going to be the rebel out there on this issue. Uh so that's not my goal. But I did read the report when it talks about this is a consensus report and this is you know that sort of thing. So the public would read that and say hey you all agreed to this then where are we at? You know we save in a half million dollars or we say this when I look at that and I wonder why it was a consensus report first of all it says makes reference that way and so we need to be able to respond to the public and I just don't think we can do that. Then we had
041issues that we did raise which was reported in the governance committee about some purchasing processes and and activities in the past and whether or not those have been adequately addressed. If we have the the committee report played that role, uh the audit the the council of GC schools is is not going to be the biggest source as it used to be for audits. They used to really go into the audits. Now they take a high level view and it's only and they're working for the administrator and not the board. They don't think the boys are going to be that engaged anyway. So it's philosophy issue and I understand but as a result um I think this committee can play a very positive role. We do it in a positive way going forward and not you
042know not focus on what's been done in the past but an acknowledgement what the issues are. Thank you member Higgins. Are there any other comments on this item? Hearing and seeing none, our next meeting is May 29th and it's a regular scheduled meeting. Member Higgins, can we talk about future audits a little bit real quick because we haven't really got something lined up and we talked about doing that. Um I I don't see the council of great city schools being great source point H4 audit because the the way that they're conducting the audits at the same level that the review was done for employee concerns didn't address the issues that I think I some others have. We saw that report with MAC on on employee concerns. It was a little bit concerning to me but
043uh I don't see them doing that. I don't see the audit type of approach that presentation on insurance that we had with Wilson agency that's doing what what normally a broker is doing for you. You're already paying a broker and they came in and said there's only three insurance companies when I know there's five. uh that was kind of so I don't think that's going to really accomplish the council of grace schools auto type approach of the others. So going forward if if I think some other approach for human resources is more appropriate the question then becomes one of what would be our next audit. I know I've talked to superintendent before we talk about special eds. It talks about curriculum. That's where council basic excels to me because you're coming in now with top
044people in the law school district is saying this is what we're doing different with special ed to reduce it. This is what we're doing different for um you know curriculum. But from my perspective, I want to get the administration's perspective. Superintendent if that's something that would be you see as value out there on audit. Normally you expect an audit going to be in so many years. We're supposed to be reviewing audit changes as well and improvement. I mean that's an issue interested in focusing on the past but would the audit or special ed be something that administration would feel comfortable that would be a good next step to go with? Uh I personally am interested in the idea of an audit and you know I do want to just be clear that I do retain
045the right to conduct audits on my own. I mean education and curriculum are something I've been interested in doing myself but I I've been pausing because I didn't want to um get the cart in front of the horse before we created our own board driven audit process too. So that's kind of delayed it a little bit on my end but as soon as we are all on the same page I do think we need to audit that in the next few years. And that that member that was going to be my response is I think it would be wise first to to get a identified and charted off path forward about how we're going to implement the um recommendations from the purchasing audit that was just done and then I also think we need to
046identify what's next once we do that. I want to make sure that we implement with fidelity the recommendations from the purchasing audit council um has identified and then you know any expanded findings. Um I want to make sure we're doing that as well and prioritizing that work because we have that in front of us. Um, but I I don't disagree that that conversation is timely. My suggestion is maybe we can see who's available from administration at the 529 meeting and then continue that dialogue for human resource. What the city does, they have an employee relations committee and it's ongoing. It works very well and that eliminates the artifact approach but provides input from from participants there who are members of the community who expertise in the field and the like and that provides a lot
047of support. So um I'll I don't mind doing a little research and find out what they're doing with that. But I would recommend that. I just don't want to the the purchasing committee might take quite a while to pull that together. I mean we're not going to get it done during the summer. Uh it's going to be sometime in the fall and before we get to finalization, we're not going to even do an audit one next year if we if we put it totally waiting for the purchasing committee kind of form and do get it work done and then implement them. So, I'd like to recommend that we look at lease on coming out with what the next audit could be and I' wait for the superintendent to think about what I've said and what
048anybody else has said, come forth with recommendations for next governor's committee as to what he would like to see done rather than postpone it so it never gets done. And that's what my concern is right now. Normally, it's one or two uh sometimes three a year, but two is is common audits per year. And right now we're way behind so far behind this center mill. So I would like I ask that the recommendation be that the superintendent come on board and tell us a recommendation and what he thinks we could do for the next audit. Yeah. Um I because I don't disagree. We need to have both conversations. I just want to make sure we're getting a handle on um what we're doing to implement the recommendations or at least the process for what they
049will look like. We just don't have the stakeholders here today. Um this is again intended to be um a place for discussion and then catch up because this will be our this will be our first of two government committee meetings this month. Um but your points are appreciated and is there any other discussion? Great. Right. Hearing and seeing none we'll meet again on uh May 9th and we will consider uh the meeting of the governance committee adjourned at 11:48 a.m. Thank you everyone. Thank you very much.