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Dayton Board of Education - Special Meeting - February 3, 2026

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YouTube / Dayton Public Schools
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2026-02-03
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Campbell County, KY
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7,411 words · about 42 min
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2026-05-17

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001Call ordain from the school board. [clears  throat] Roll call. President Bailey here.   Dr. Goodwin here. Mr. Lacy here. Mr.  Smith present. Miss Raina present. Mr.   Walker I am back in my seat. Miss Garrison  present. Seven present. Pledge allegiance. Algiance to the flag of the United States of  America and to the republic for it stands.   One nation under God, indivisible  with liberty and justice for all. Any more discussion or questions?  I do have Joe. Mr. Lacy,   I'm going to pass stuff. I love  when Mr. Lacy has his receipts. I've got a couple before deciding on going to a levy. I thought  it's prudent to look at our chances of success   electorally. Um, so I pulled what I feel  to be maybe the most like election and and   uh that would be the the 2022 primary and 

002I was able to pull the the D's and Rs that   voted in that primary in our district. And then I  compared that with the 2022 general election. And   um they don't just um the the quickest way  to get the a somewhat similar D's and Rs is   just to take a generic D candidate and  a generic R candidate. I just chose the   um the one of the constitutional offices, the  um the attorney general's race. And yeah, so   um that that assimilates the Democrats and  Republicans that voted in that election. Um, we all I think know that that um  the people that are Democrats are   more likely to have children in Dayton  public schools or in public school in   general. There are they are more likely  to vote with us than the other side. Um, if you

003look at the total for the primary,  [cough] you've got nearly 10,000 Democrats   and and around 5,000 Republicans. That's  a a total of about 15,000. That's about   the same number that voted in the 2025  election that we just went through. Um, and then you compare it to the general  election and the D's are are 25 26,000,   Republicans are 13 14,000. Um, um, off-year primaries have a fairly  low turnout within this district. Um,   and when you're go when you're going with a first  of all, yeah, the the kind of numbers we have,   any suburban district, they they would uh they  would kill to have the numbers we have, but in a primary in the in a [cough] rough year, we  do have a low turnout. And when you have a low   turnout, I I really believe that

004you're swimming  upstream. Um the result could be easily affected   by a group um by a large group of of of people  that are opposed um just coming over um when yeah   when there's only 15,000 voting um but there are a  lot more not voting a lot of those people can come   over and vote and and and I've seen this happen.  I mean, it's it's a very Democratic city, but yet   since I've lived here, we've had three mayor's  races where Republicans have won. And um and that   what happened in each of those cases, it was just  um some excitement that brought more RS out. Um,   and then yes, the 2000 levy, which we lost, that  was also a very low turnout. And it really didn't   take a lot of the other side coming out to um

005to  overcome overcome the yes vote. Our successes were   the general election of 2002 when we passed the  bond levy and the general election of 2008. And   I remember clearly the 2008 um levy uh we spent  hundreds of thousands of dollars that we got. And   u but I do remember I looked at the polling and we  were ahead before the campaign even started. They   did polls before the there was any campaign.  We we were ahead from the very beginning.   And um I don't think I don't think the campaign  really made much difference at all. It probably   boosted our lead, but uh I really believe that  the general election is the most is the more   prudent way to go because it it we have a better  chance of success in the general election. Um, and to say

006that, yeah, we can try  it now and possibly lose. I mean,   I'm not saying we would lose, but I  mean, if if if if there is a turnout   that doesn't favor us. If we lose, that's  fine. We can try it again. I really I mean   um and then you're asking people to contribute  again. you're asking the community for support   again. You're going through a campaign again and  um I've been through enough of them that yeah   um going [laughter] going into one after the  other it could be a nightmare and it doesn't make   us look good. Um so these are the these are just  some facts to look at and to consider as we vote.   Um, I I will be voting no, although I I am  convinced of the um the need and of of and

007I   would support a levy. And I would just say that I  just want to clear clarify that that my no vote,   if it is a no vote, I'm sure Mr. Smith is always  has a good way of an eloquent way of of making   me chase my mind why. But if he does not, my no  vote is really um um it it's it's really because   I believe we can do better for our students.  Uh we can really do better by ensuring that   we get we do it right one time and that's uh and  that's what all I have. Thank you, Mr. President. Go ahead. So, thank you Mr. Lacy for the  information and mine is more of a discussion   than anything because in [cough and clears  throat] 2022 I think we got to I think we

008have   to also put in the entire look at the totality of  the circumstances around us in 2026. People are   more political online than I've ever seen. We're  going into the primaries this year where like yes,   our levy I think Miss Riner said that we would be  possibly the only ones out here with that one. Is   that correct? But all the other things that are  bringing individuals out like you know the state   races though that's a big factor looking at where  we are as a society and our morality as a culture   and that piece of it. I don't know if uh this  year will be different because you know politics   has never looked like this from everyone who has  been on this earth longer than I've been who has   told us in that one. Um I

009hear the the piece  of the credibility of us as an organization.   But I do think that's one of the things that when  I saw the city of Dayton put the hospital out,   one of the biggest arguments that I heard over and  over from lay people was let the people decide if   it's something that they want to support or  not. I don't have children in the district. I   have nephews and nieces and that and I said this  last week that what happens whether the district   is successful, which I would hope you are, we are  successful at anything we do. I would hope that   it lessens some of the financial realities that we  know are coming to us. I asked last week if we did   pass a levy in May and you know the projections of  cuts,

010how many of those will we be able to hang on   to knowing that we had money coming in January?  And I'm I'm going to ask if you guys did figure   that out because that's a I mean I think that's  a key factor of us being successful in May versus   November because in May I can plan in November  we've already let those people go because we   had a month at that point. So Dr. Lawrence,  did you guys figure that out for us at all?   We made a [clears throat] budget revision  yesterday and we are still $9 million   um over projected budget for next year which means  that we would have to make some some reductions   um based on the school programming and committee  meeting you had the day before the day before we   talked about what

011some of those were. So, um,  we're going to drill down and we don't know the   exact number of individuals, but, um, yet, but,  in each one of those categories that we covered   yesterday, there will be some reductions.  Okay, that was great to say. My question is,   if a levy passed in May of those reductions that  are already projected, what percentage could we   hold on to knowing that money 100%. Every we can  hold on to them. Every program and every person.   So, if we passed the levy in May, Yes. and the  voters approved the levy, you're saying that   we would be able to hold on them knowing that  the money was coming in in January. Yes. And if   we did it in November, what did that look like?  What's that turnaround? Well, they'll be gone at  

012that point. Yeah, we do in November. We're going  to we're going to make the decisions in March and   April to have a reduction in force. So, yeah, Mr.  Lacy, I do agree. Or some on some transformation   in the district somewhere else. So I do agree with  you that november [clears throat] is the bigger   pull because we are a strong democratic city in  that piece of it. Yeah. But I want to save jobs   more than I want to take. I mean I want I would  rather take the risk right now if it meant that   the people who work for this district if it passed  that they could continue to stay with us up until   I mean like this is their career. So thank you.  Thank you for giving that back. And I just think that math

013though for me does not m  just clarify the primary is in May,   right? So the math you're saying is if we were  to wait till November, we would have already made   decisions in March about an election that comes  in May. That makes no sense because we'll be   making decisions based off something that say if  we went for something in May and it didn't pass,   then when would we make those changes that you're  talking about? if you're saying if we were to wait   we would have made those decisions March and April  like that that doesn't line up like and so that's   where I'm thinking of for me these things aren't  lined up in a way that is conducive to helping the   district like even right now you're saying even  if we say okay you put something

014on the May ballot   which really means it's up in April because you  have early voting it's February Now I do not look   around and see okay well we have a levy committee  of people lined up ready. This means now we will   be stressing people to move around to try to pass  something like even the the things that like the   I saw the city when they passed when the city went  out and they passed the levy for this hospital. It   was months and months and months of seeing this  group go out and get signatures and signatures   and signatures to put it on the ballot and get  turned down and then come back and do it again.   That's right. And so you saw the work. We're  talking about possibly putting up something   that we would have to

015stand a levy in two months.  And we're saying that if now we're dangling this   thought of if we do not do it, then we would make  these cuts that we as a district have not even   identified that we're going to do. These are  just drafts and ideas of what people would do.   So, we do not fully know where we are right now  outside of a draft that people are coming up with   right now because no one has made decisions  on any cuts or anything like that. Like,   it puts us in a weird space because we do not have  a wealth of volunteers right now lining up to say,   "Hey, I'll go out here and knock doors and I'll  make calls." And so you would be creating this   space where now people I do not want

016people  feeling like I need to go and help pass this   levy or I may lose my job within two months. Like  part of when I see levies, the big part of a levy   is allowing people to learn what's going on, what  are the issues, what's at stake. That is very hard   to roll out from tomorrow to the first week of  April. And right now we're saying we would make   decisions based off if we would know we would  have money coming in next year where that money   would come in next year no matter if we won  in May or if we won in November. So I'm not   getting where we're putting these things in. And I  also just look across the state as well. Like the   urban districts who have passed levies in  the last three,

017four years have all been   in November. Columbus, Akan, Cincinnati, like  Cleveland, they've been in November elections.   Like if we were set up and stand to go and move  and there was a machine to move these things and   there was already public pieces for the public to  consume about these things, I would feel much more   comfortable. But right now, I'm not as comfortable  if we really don't even know what's at stake. Like   that is a hard thing to get people to commit to.  So it's just that that line of of if we wait then   we would have already made these decisions  is based on us assuming that we would win and   saying that we would make decisions to release  people and terminate jobs before the primary   anyway if we're not up for it. It's just it's

018it  doesn't create a good environment like you want   to have a good environment to run a levy. I wanna  I want to say this maybe another way is simpler.   I was working with the finance committee. On  the finance committee are board members Lacy   um President Dr. Bailey and um Mr. Walker and  we've been had multiple finance committee meetings   outside of the regular monthly ones to prepare  for the 2627 budget. And what we came up and all   budgets are estimates uh actuary estimates at this  moment. And so what we came up with was listen, we   are still have a $9 million gap for next year and  we are preparing to make proposals to the board as   if we have that $9 million gap and these are the  things we're going to do to close it. We

019can't   continue to do that. And so that that's that's  where we that's just where we are. And I'm sorry,   M. Garrison. Um, well, he mentioned Eric Walker.  Walker, you've been in some of these meetings. So,   before I say my piece, I would like to hear  your feedback. Oh, thank you. Um, okay. So,   I just want to clarify something. If I'm looking  at this fiveyear forecast, right, Madam Treasur?   Okay. If we don't do a levy, then we still go into  27 still with a cash balance of 78 million or how   do we interpret this like where the bottom of the  of that forecast? Okay. So this the deficit comes   in 2029 three years from the third year. Okay.  And Dr. Lawrence, what you're looking to do is do   the levy now to get ahead of 29

020of what needs to  actually happen physically in the district. Yes.   We also don't know what the banual budget is, how  that's going to play out. Uh I'd ask the treasur   to chime in on that, but we've seen reductions  every time you have a banual budget. And I think   it's also important to remember that board member  Lacy, he's done this a couple decades. He started   off giving us data. Um and he said he's going  to vote no. But I acknowledge the need for a   levy. Yeah. And I mean the bional budget is is a  major thing. This year publication was funded 300   million. Charter school, private school, whatever  was funded 600 million. So, when we look at where   we are as the really the only district right now  in the state of Ohio to not have

021put out a levy   um of any sort of our size and things like that  um in the area right now, I know that Jefferson   Township has a levy again on the ballot. Um, it's  a district that it's very small and fortunately if   it if it doesn't pass this time then I'm [cough]  I mean at what point at some point the state's   going to end up stepping in. You have Inglewood  I believe is putting a renewal levy on or a bond   levy or something like that. So there's different  things that will take place this year. For me,   it is. And I'll I'll put on a different hat right  now and looking at the politics in Ohio and what's   on the ballot for the primary. Primary, you have  ger national things, but everyone probably is   going to

022run and just be on a general election.  Statewide offices in this area. Um, you have some   contested races, but not a lot of contested races.  For me, I would be interested to seeing, hey,   if it we put it on for this primary, I'm good with  seeing what happens, but I am more inclined with   uh for me, not a property tax levy, more of an  income tax levy. And I think I even said to Dr.   Lawrence and Madam Treasure before, I'm interested  to see what happens with both, especially where   the state of Ohio is looking to go with property  tax levies um and things like that. So, yeah. Yes. Um, [clears throat] as I stated before, I'm  I'm I am with uh Joe Lacy as it relates to the   timing um May versus November. Um, I

023don't really  um like putting fear in the hearts and minds of   people of situations just to get something passed.  Um, so I'm hopeful we are very cautious with our   words um, in reference to uh, the situation  when it comes to staff, especially knowing   there are other areas where we can make cuts that  do not have to impact staff um, to uh, fulfill or   bridge any any uh, shortages that we may have if  the levy does not pass. It would be nice to see   whether this is in November or May. what is the  plan um going forward if this doesn't pass in May   or November? Um having some different options out  there to see um if this doesn't do well this year   at all, what is the plan to, you know, save uh  jobs across the

024district, but also where can we,   you know, continuously cut back because we're  going to have to think outside the box. Um this   is a interesting time for the area. we don't know,  you know, what people are going to want to do as   we continue to rebuild faith and confidence in  the Dayton public school district amongst amongst   our constituents. So, that would be something  that I would love to see uh Dr. Lawrence if you   have um some of those scenarios in the event this  [clears throat] doesn't pass in May or November,   although I would love to see it pass uh  preferably um in November. Thank you, President. Thank you. Um, President Bailey, a couple  thoughts. Um, thank you for these numbers,   board member Lacy. I appreciate the,   um, look at the numbers of turnout in  a

025comparable comparable year. Um I I it's so my one counterpoint um to the thought that  this is more likely to be successful in November   and I [snorts] say this from a neutral point of  um view is that looking at the turnout numbers   in May versus November, it might be cheaper to run  a levy campaign in May than it would in November.   So that's something to think about. um the goals  in terms of fundraising and working towards that   since it's about um less than half the amount  of voters we would be targeting. Um the second   is that um I I think the board is fairly unified  in understanding that the need for the levy this   year is there. I think the the major point of  disagreement is whether it be May or November.   Um and board

026members are free to speak up and um  let me know if I'm misunderstanding the what I'm   getting collectively here. Um I did reach out  to my contacts at the county and the city. Um   as of now, uh there is no likely levy to be on  the ballot for the city of Dayton this year or   the county. Um, so you know, we we always try  to balance out the need for our jurisdiction,   which is Dayton public, um, with the needs across  the city and the county. Um, if there are too many   levies on a ballot, they are likely they're less  likely to pass. So, in terms of looking at the   landscape this year, we're fairly good. There are  a fairly high number of municipal levies that are   going to be on the ballot in May. Um,

027uh, not  a lot of school district levies so far. Um, but   that's all we know for May and I don't know what  it will be in November. Um, I anticipate and I'm   not alone in anticipating that starting next year  there will be a high number of district lobbies   that will start being on the ballot um, election  after election. And so I I think it's wise to be   doing it this year um just to kind of get ahead  of uh how the changes in um funding, the funding   elimination and the funding reductions that are  happening at the state house are going to start   hitting districts harder and harder and harder  and districts will have to go for levies much more   often to stay afloat um because the uh reliance  on state funding has been undercut so

028much. Um, I would I I would just prefer that we have as  much stability as possible. Um, I understand   the concerns about going for the levy in May. Um,  I would prefer to cause as little disruption as   possible. And so I will most like I'm I'm still  not sure how I'm going to vote. I'm I'm likely to   vote for the May levy just given I would like  to make sure that we are um causing as little   disruption as possible for the district. That's  all I have, Mr. President. Thank you. You want to   conspiracy? Uh just a point of clarification.  The gentleman who reported um on Friday,   what's his name? Dan Shaw. Yes. He said it's more  expensive to do a levy in May than November. He   didn't have the dollar amount, but he said it

029was  more expensive to do it in May than November. So,   just a point of clarification. I don't know why  because he didn't have any details to give us. So, I think it can be and I I don't have a  clear answer on this, but when I spoke to   um uh somebody the there are a pretty high number  of municipalities that will be on the ballot   across the county this year. I think a little bit  higher than expected. So, you know, we all have to   share the cost of that. So, I think that that is  less of I don't have a concrete answer for this,   but it was my understanding that there were more  than um than than expected number of levies on   the ballot this spring. So, I think I think that  might not be

030as much of a concern as initially   was stated last week. I [clears throat] just and  for me when when we look at primary elections the   biggest thing is the get out the vote since people  don't really [cough] turn out to vote for primary   elections. So your messaging and ad span and  things like that typically is going to be higher   whereas your general election everyone typically  is going to vote in November. So, it's trying   to reach more people who will go out and support  things or be against things and that's what makes   it more expensive for the property. And I think  he was more so talking about the fing of it, not   necessarily the additional funding on top of that  for the campaign itself. But I'm glad you brought   that up, Mr. Walker. Thank you. My

031question for  us as a body and I guess well personal for us   as a body who's going to last time we talked I  mean one of the conversations we had about Mr.   Le are you still the treasur of the committee?  Yes. Are there people on the levy committee there? When I took over as treasurer I just  sent out an email to all the levy committee   members that were on the levy committee  for 2008. I think I can only think of   like Nan maybe I can't think Nan why the  former mayor I can't think of others but   um I just asked if they minded if I  took o I took over from Janice Allen and so um I just asked if anybody anybody was  opposed I got no answer so I just assumed it   no we

032don't we do not currently have a levy  committee okay so we have a committee. The   question is, I guess for you, Mr.  Smith, how do you get a committee? Um, it is a process. It's getting people who  have a shared concern from different walks. Um,   getting them to come together. You have a  treasury, you have somebody who probably shares,   co-chairs the the levy committee. Um, that is  my biggest concern when we look at My question   is who does this? Oh, well, not what it is, but  who's going to do that? Because if we if I'm for   giving the district a shot, whether it's May,  November, both, I'm for giving you guys a shot.   My question is if if we don't give them a shot  in May, who's doing all this other work that you   guys

033are talking about between now and then? An  ad hoc committee has to be created because when   we talk about the cost of running the levy, that  isn't district dollars. The district cannot pay.   100% know that that has to be like fundraising  all these things. So Lacy could get his call as   the treasurer. So he's ask like who wants to take  the lead and bring these people in. But yes, that   is how that it has to be. It has to be outside of  us. So Lacy is the one who makes that call. Who   could? I mean that's my question. Not necessarily.  Like this could Yeah. He could board members. You   can go out and recruit people to be on the levy  committee. You cannot wear anything DPS related or   anything like that regarding the month. It's

034the  same as if you're sitting here on a day is can I   have Yes, you can. Yeah. So, you go out recruit  people outside of your role as a schoolboard   member and then you refer them to the committee.  The committee works with them. Same thing as if   staff wants to volunteer on the levy. They cannot  do it on their hours of actually working for DPS.   They can, however, take vacation or something like  that to then go and work on a levy committee or   something like that. But it has to be [clears  throat] offschool ground property somewhere   separate to then end up initiate all of that. So  are members on this board committing to do the   work that they want to see done? Like that's my  biggest question. I don't want to get back here   and

035no one has taken the affirmative steps to go,  hey, let's get this going. Are who's going to do   that point? That's the whole like even referring  to committee. We have no committee to refer them   to. We'd be going out and standing up a committee.  But are you are you committing to do the work is   my question. Oh yeah. I've I've done the work  but in doing the work I also know this is not the   right time to start the work. That's my thing is  we're talking about starting the work. We're talk   well we're doing two conversations because this  like we need five people. It doesn't sound like   five people are on board for this. So this now I'm  starting the next conversation of this is starting   now. Yes. That part is if we're that's my

036thing is  if you're doing November, this is a perfect time   to start the work because now we can talk about  what is needed. We can actually have a roll out   plan of this is why we're running a levy. This is  what we would do with these dollars. This is what   we're facing if we do not pass this like right.  And it's it's easier to get people to work on the   levy when like Mr. Walker said they'd be really  looking at taking time off using lunch breaks   starting next week and you don't have scripts.  You do not have call lists already. Like you   you do not have these pieces that are already  supposed to be in place when you're trying to   put [cough] Don't disagree with you. My question  is so but you already said yes,

037you would commit   to doing that work. Are there other people who are  committing to do the work? So if we get to this   point again, which this will probably be somebody  help me here, this would be what what's 90 days?   August. August. We get to August that we're not  having this same discussion discussion because   people we talked about it in February and we got  to August, but no one did the stuff in between.   Sure. I'll commit. You committed too? Okay. I got  is is anyone else on the board committed? I mean,   so let me add to what you're asking. So, I am  committed, but I'm also wanting the superintendent   and team to be committed to the back-end work  that it takes to bring this all together as well,   not waiting till till August because a

038lot of  this work could have started in 2025 before we   got here for a levy in May. Right or wrong. From  my training, the superintendent or the treasurer   can't Yeah. They can't do that. Didn't Wasn't  it your request to put it on the agenda? Yes.   for us to vote on as opposed. So that's what I'm  referring to. Yeah. So the actual stuff they need   to do at work. So because they can't do not levy  stuff, but we could have had a levy committee.   Is that we're not allowed? That's not that. So  yeah, that's Well, the conversations you guys   have been having for eight years. What committee  was that? They can't based on some training they   can't because they're always assuming at work.  Correct. That's the only thing I'm referring   to is the planning part of

039it out. Not because  you can meet to plan something out, but we're   not executing underneath that same committee. Does  that make sense? You can plan it out though. If we   going to start doing this, we start recruitment  here. We're going to start it's a whole project   plan. Let me ask board member Walker and Miss  Ryder because I feel like you guys have the most   knowledge which goes to the most trainings on this  one. The staff like Miss Gar is asking that's not   what our staff can do. Correct. As a board, we  have to do what we're doing now with regards to   having a levy discussion is like we can initiate  a conversation here and then prepare things,   but our team has to do what Dr. Lawrence and them  have did so far from my understanding.

040That's   right. We we've done that work so far. Mr. Riner's  been there. You've been there. Several board   members have been there. We have at least eight  different scenarios. scenario. Scenarios where a   levy passes, scenarios where a levy doesn't pass,  scenarios where we carry debt into the next year,   scenarios where we don't carry the debt and we  have a reduction in force, scenarios where we   consolidate schools and have a reduction in force.  All these different scenarios we've worked out.   Appreciate you. We asking a different question.  [laughter] Uh so the work that that would have to   be done and I think the question was posed who's  going to do the work um it doesn't happen on the   deis and it doesn't happen on uh school district  time or on school district grounds but I would   um there

041should be a representative from the  board who is organizing there basically needs   to be like an unofficial commit. It's not a it's  not a board committee, but somebody on the board   needs to be heading up this work and having the  conversations and bringing the people together   outside district locations and outside district  hours um finding uh and putting together the levy   committee through all the different groups across  the area. Um and making a plan um very often there   is a consulting team, a consulting firm that  is brought in to guide us through the process.   um and to um help with fundraising. Um again, not  from the deis, not official uh district work. But   um at this point, maybe there should be uh um  a board member who is heading up that process   and guiding that process.

042Yes, ma'am. Thank you,  John. So, it'll be between I mean, Mr. Lacy said   last week, Mr. Smith is the most politically that  you already said you could do that, right? He's   worked on. You mean you have done that? said  we got like said it's already two people now   and I think Mr. Walker said he wanted to do it. So  that's three, which the rest of us, you know, want   to do. Yeah. Yeah. Four. So [laughter] whoa, whoa,  whoa. Four of them. Four. That's too many. Well,   and I think there's two different things. Pardon  me for interrupting. There's the actual people   that are guiding the ship on this. And then there  is the um acknowledgement that as board members,   we are committed to the process and we will  help outside district official district hours   and district

043work. Um, I am committed to  helping as I can whatever this committee is   um and doing that work and I and I think probably  every single board member is on the same page in   regards to that. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes.  I just want to make sure y'all got like I don't   want to come to all these things. Yes. Because  we doing this all over again. Now to to clarify,   if it is not May, then after the primary election  day is when legally like we can have, hey,   by August, we already are filed and things like  that for it. So the background work or whatever   we're going to do can lead up to that primary  election day and then like you can immediately   file the day after for the general election. Just  clarify. I've

044said like like as far as when the   process starts to continue. Yeah, they should the  team should move on here because there was no one   that was against us unless and you correct and  say that if you want to was against the district   putting levies out because it's not just a levy  the two levies guys that are out there for that   one. No one is against that. Is that am I correct  on that one? Not against the levy. Correct. The   timing is the issue here. So if again I don't  believe that there are five individuals who   are going to move forward with this one based on  what I'm hearing here. But that means you still   will need to start working on the next stuff to  have this stuff prepared for the August deadline   that piece

045of it. Is that correct? Has anybody  contradicted it? Yes. So that's that's pretty   much what you need like but we're giving him a  direction to Mr. Walker's point. That is a whole   different timeline and track like the legal track  of getting that done. like you can do the work for   a levy before it becomes a space of when it has  to go and file. That's why a lot of the times   like I've worked on levies where there's actual  furniture out before there's even a levy number   because that's how much time was going into before  the levy comes out. The levy number and the things   you get which are going to be on the ballot comes  with the old filing. That's another side. So yes,   that like the work of doing this can start this  afternoon.

046Yeah. Is that correct? That it's that   piece is where my concern has always been is how  do you do that? Because I don't want us to go into   this space of having people running around being  fearful and then say we do not get the result we   want and now people take that on themselves and  now they feel like they didn't do the work needed   to save their own jobs. That is disastrous to do  people. Well, I just wanted to clarify because   last week Dr. Horns made a statement somewhere  in there that we've never as a board directed   them to do to put this on him or madam treasurer  to do this. So we are directing them as a body   contradict if you are to work on this in the  event that this doesn't pass today

047for the   November. Anybody in disagreement there? So they  have actual direction of what to do. All right.   The silence means everybody was on board with that  piece of it. And now back. So I I just have one   question so I can be clear. Uh if we do not vote  on this thing put on in May, what is your plan? [laughter] I mean I will bring this back again and change  the date. So I mean that will have to be cut that   we'll do. I know that you're already making  cuts in different areas. you um I'm going to   repeat it again. Board member Reiner has been to  a meeting because I've opened them up to board   members. Um board member Goodwin has been to one.  There's three members on the committee. I talked   to other members

048at Hawk. Um they're aware that  we have at least now [laughter] eight different   versions of what if. Um and I would also  defer to Madam Treasurer. She she said, "Hey,   we can carry some of this, but there's a there's  a number where we can't carry um this this over   over budget into next year. It's just not doable."  Okay. Thank you. Nothing else. So, Oh, go ahead. But we do not have to do some of these things  because even if we would have put up a levy in   May and it would have passed, we wouldn't get the  money till later. So no matter what things would   have would could have a space to be. So it's it  would be disingenuous to say that because we do   not put something up in May then now there's  this

049number that we can't carry over if they   were saying that we could have carried it over if  we would have known that we're going to magically   get this levy money down the road. like that's  that's not like so there are things that we need   to do as a district to be fiscally responsible but  they're not tied they cannot be tied to a May or a   November decision because the money wouldn't come  this year anyway. That's right. And so whatever   is going on, I want our people to know that it is  not due to us not putting something on and made   because the money would not have been there. And I  think that's where we really need to come together   as a group and have real discussions about what  does it look like to cut some

050of these things and   not having these spaces where okay this is what  it would look like but then we're not looking at   the ramifications of what happens if we do those  things like if we look at things like we have   conversations and we've seen it okay districts  closes a building charter gets a building or   we close a building and we think that students are  going to follow somewhere else and then they don't   and then they go somewhere for us and then we lose  that money as well. Like we have to really sit as   a team, as a group, everybody here, not just that  the day is slow cuz we don't work here, but really   get to saying how do we fix this thing? And the  only other way to do that is to also have

051these   things laid out and let people know what we're  looking at. But if we're saying we can't carry   certain things over into July, August of 2026,  then we wouldn't have been able to do it if we   passed the levy because we wouldn't have the money  yet. So it's not based upon that. It is based upon   the fact of where we are and how do we shape these  conversations. So I would say I would be very   perturbed if we're saying, okay, if we're going to  walk out here and we're saying we're not going to   put a levy up in here. So now, yes, these people,  we're going to have to roll with these cuts   because that's disingenuous because the money was  not going to be here if we passed the levy in May. We uh have

052put forward several proposals such as  K8 to attempt to hold on to our middle schoolers.   We've had projections from a flat projection  to as many as 300, a student increase. We have   modeled this in lots of different permutations.  And so our job, Mr. Smith, is I will provide you   with some recommendations in April or May for next  year and then the board will make a decision and   and I'll provide them based on my work with the  treasur's office, which we've been doing um and   operations. And so we've been dealing with this  for at least six weeks now, multiple meetings,   and like I said, multiple permutations. So, we'll  be prepared to um based on levy or not, we'll be   prepared to provide a recommendation on what we  do next year in staffing and what we do

053in terms   of this district um and what it looks like. That  that's our job. Thank you. There's nothing else. Motion to adjourn. Second. I thought we were voting on it. Why? If Mr. There's a motion in a second.  There's a motion with a second to adjourn.   But if if you want to vote on it, then Mr.  Lacy would need to withdraw the motion to   adjourn and then we I'm fine. Okay. I'll  withdraw the motion. Should we I mean,   are we okay with voting to see if we can  do this? It doesn't matter. Go ahead.   Superintendent, Madam Treasure, you want  us to vote on this? That's the question. Y'all need to huddle for a second. Look,  slide back. Yeah, we just need to [laughter] assistant treasure. Y'all go talk. You hear from   business before y'all talk?

054Let  us know if y'all want the vote. [clears throat] With haste, please. Please. While we're waiting, if I may, Mr. President, um I  would like no matter how the vote h goes today and   if we have a vote on one of these proposals,  um I would like to discuss about how we will   involve the community in this decision. I think  it's really important um to make sure not only   that we get a pulse on how the community is  feeling before um we do anything officially   um but I would like to also make sure that their  voices are heard in um the campaign. I a lot of   people in Dayton believe in Dayton public  schools. Um, it's been my personal mission   for the last eight years on the board to build  trust in Dayton public schools

055and I would like   to offer people there are a lot of people who are  feeling really politically engaged right now. Um,   I would love to extend a hand to community members  to put their boots on the ground and join us in   um, a lovey campaign if we go for one either now  or November or in the future. Um, this is a great   opportunity to meet your neighbors and to advocate  and fight for something we all believe in. Um,   and I would I I'm just expressing my desire for  strong community [clears throat] involvement and   a commitment from the board unofficially on my  part to make sure that the community is informed   and involved in whatever this campaign will be.  Agreed. Thank you. So, Miss Reiner, Columbus   did do the same thing and what they created was

056a  operational efficiency and cost containment task   force that involve community members and district  members that then looked at this and then took   this plan out to the community with what cuts  were going to happen, buildings may be closed,   things like that. And then they still put a levy  out and still did everything that they just told   the community. So if we involve a community  community, I want it to be something like that   that is the members of that. I just want y'all to  be work. That's all I'm asking for. Someone like   not because we talk a lot. We talk a ton and we  have all these conversations about community and   this group, that group, that one. I'm just I'm  happy that we walking away with because you were   part of the group. It's one, two,

057three. Hold on.  Make sure people at home. If there's a closeup,   I can get on my mic on my camera. Ryan, can you  get my closeup so they can see me? Close up. Hold   on. I got to finish my closeup. I want I want them  to this 30 seconds of moving. Hey. Hey. I believe   I believe and declare you. It's on me. Let me  live. It's not cuz [laughter] the last video was   Mr. Walker, Mr. Smith, and Mr. Lacy are the charge  on here. And the rest of us, he the treasurer. So,   he already on the group. the rest of us are  backup dancers on this, but we're going to help   how [laughter] they see fit cuz we going to get  to this next conversation and we're not going to   have this same conversation that

058we've had twice  now over again. And if there [clears throat] is   nothing to show, it's because Mr. Walker, Mr.  Lacy, and Mr. Smith didn't do their part. And now,   man, like come on the date. And I I I will say  like I I think the my rationale for saying yes,   I'm going to do this is because a lot of times it  gets tiring hearing community members say things,   but then they don't want to come to the table. So  now we're giving you that open seat to bring your   own chair or take one of our chairs and actually  come and actually do the work in which you say DPS   needs to be better at. I'm never going to bet  against the district. I'm going tell you that.   Yeah. If this is put up today, I'm a

059supporter.  If it's put up in Denver, I'm a supporter.   Yeah, people people pay me for this kind of work.  So, consider yourself lucky. President, baby,   I will say [laughter] one thing about Joe Lacy.  Joe Lacy going the best right now. [laughter] No,   I mean that right now. We can adjourn this one  and start a new one. I have to get another one.   One of our levy chairs got a school named after  him, didn't they? Who's that? Who's who? Oh yeah,   man. He's still around. That's not gonna happen.  [laughter] He also made but I will say that is I   I do think that there's a lot that we can do. Um  and the things that I've seen working on multiple   levies is that the times that I've seen people  make mistakes comes from not having enough

060time   to plan. All right. So, I think right now we're  in a good space. They hear back to do that. All   right. [laughter] Uh Dr. Goodman, thank you for  the opportunity to huddle up. Uh the treasurer   said something really important while we  were huddled up. Treasure Aarash. He said,   "I've been happy uh Dr. Lawrence with all the work  we've done to work on different budget scenarios,   and I'm happy with where we are. So,  we should work together to continue to   um educate the board about all those different  versions we have and at some point uh educate   the public. And so, we would we would love to  do this in November. Move to second. Can't wait   for Goodwin motion. Goodwin motion. Yes.  Yes. And second, Dr. Bailey. Dr. Bailey. Dr. uh President Bailey. Yes,  Dr. Goodwine.

061Yes, Mr. Lacy. Yes,   Mr. Smith. We Who are you? Miss Reard. Yes, Mr.  Walker. Yes, Miss Garrison. Yes. Seven yeses.

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