001Motion to start the meeting on August 12, 2025. Regular meeting. Welcome back. Uh, members can participate remotely. Laura, could you take attendance? Chávez present. Nedler present. Nisnicklana present. Raspente sergeant present. Hunger present. Thank you. Please pay attention to the screen for land recognition. The Bolder Valley School District resides on ancestral lands unjustly taken from the Ute, Puebloan, Aráajo, Cheyen, Apache and 48 other nations associated with these lands who have been called home since time immemorial. We acknowledge the atrocities committed here, including the painful history of genocide and forced assimilation to alienate indigenous inhabitants from their lands with the support of the United States government. The BBSD is aware of the many indigenous peoples and dignified cultures that care for the land with strength and resilience. The BBCD recognizes the stories of the Land in Colorado
002and the survival of the many nations that have carried their oral traditions into the present. It is BBSD's responsibility to educate our students so that we can celebrate and respect the wisdom and knowledge of indigenous peoples and actively unite to address injustices. By offering this recognition of the land, we affirm and honor the history, wisdom, oral traditions, and resilience of Indigenous peoples and acknowledge our responsibility to care for and cherish this land together. I would like to remind everyone that the mission of the Bodor Valley School District is to create challenging, meaningful learning opportunities for all children to thrive and be prepared for a life of success and civic engagement. Good afternoon everyone. Motion to approve the agenda. Supported by Jorge and seconded by Kiri. Lora, please take the vote. Chávez, yes. Medler, yes. Yes,
003that's right . Rushb, yes. Yes, her. The ayes have it. The first item on the agenda is the report from Superintendent Anderson. Good afternoon, Madam President, and welcome to all. I hope everyone had a fabulous summer. Tomorrow, as you know, we will be welcoming our students. Uh, we've been making preparations, it's been very exciting to see our staff back in the building and we hope this will be a fabulous school year for everyone. I'm updating on the changes to the attendance limits. Summer is an opportunity to relax and also to review some proposals that we discussed in May. We talked to the families about the possible changes. We spoke directly with the families and some people called us personally, worried and with concerns about this issue. It was great to hear their opinions. I want
004to thank you for the time you dedicated to this and for your opinions. We will be reviewing changes to school attendance limits at our working session in September. uh, those are my observations for today. Thank you. Uh, excuse me, I was chewing. Any comments or questions for Dr. Anderson, since there are no opportunities for public participation, does the district respect the public's right to speak about school operations? The council does not endorse the comments of any speaker. Each speaker has 2 minutes. You will see a yellow card when you have 30 seconds left and an orange card when you have 10 seconds left. If you run out of time, you can email the council. We understand that this is the first meeting of the year. Okay, let's give the floor to Becky Ruero. Find us.
005We move on with Michael Widaker. Good afternoon, my name is Michael Wer. My daughter is going to Fairview School and my other son is at Southern Hills in sixth grade. The reason for being here. Could one of you explain the policy on artificial intelligence to me? I could explain it to a teacher, I could explain it to a parent, I could explain it to a student. Well, well, I write a newsletter that is a summary because it is a very complicated topic because parents feel left out and don't know how to participate on this topic and it is something that advances too quickly. I was looking on their website for their policy on AI, artificial intelligence. I also used Gemini to determine the policy we need to establish, what documents to include, and how to
006create a one- page website. Well, it's not designed yet, but I came up with something that can be explained in 30 seconds to help our students do this the right way, and to support parents and teachers in explaining this in clear and simple language. This is moving too fast. We can't wait for the next meeting. It's a great opportunity. to open and put this information and design content on the website. We need to be able to communicate our policy on this. I used artificial intelligence to do it. We need to have a clear policy. It's too important not to do it. Thank you. Thank you. Now we move on to our next item on the agenda, which is council communication. Board members , is there anything you would like to contribute? Well, I don't have
007many comments, but everyone is welcome. One thing I've noticed about the legal changes since last year, that there's a mandatory report, is something very close to my heart because I was a teacher. The main changes are that you can't delegate your responsibility to someone else, because before you could, and I always recommended against it . And the other thing, mandatory reports only have to be within the context of your work, it 's not about everything that encompasses your working life, but when you fill out a mandatory report, it means that you know something about the abuse. The childishness and I would recommend that you fill out a report about this, even if you are not in your work area. If you are off work and making a report as a private citizen, you can do
008so anonymously. CL you know why in the past you had to put your name. Yes. They are still protected by Colorado state law regarding the identity of the person making the report. Yes, I understand that, but many people are reluctant to fill out the report because they say, "They're going to find out who filled out the report and if that's even possible." And what I want to say is, I want to encourage everyone to do it both in their work life and outside of it. Yes, Alex. I'm happy to be back and see you all and meet the new people in their new roles. Partly what our participant says, in my work I realize how artificial intelligence is acquiring greater significance in our daily lives. BER is ahead in this, but I do think that
009the students' points of view are a challenge for them and we have to give them tools. This, it's impossible to imagine how it could be otherwise. Uh, students go beyond district policies in all the things that Boulder does, uh, being an advanced school district, uh, it's necessary if we want to stay ahead of the game. I want to thank our participant for giving us the document in writing. I want to thank all the new school principals. I'm very happy to meet you all, to see your energy. Thank you for coming here. Uh, I see how we've had an increase in open enrollment, they're coming from other places and thanks to all the efforts made. I also want to recognize the 360 leaders, those who have just started middle and high school, how they have worked
010during the summer to welcome their classmates who are new students and have been seen during the summer in our parks practicing, preparing for the new school year and with great pride as the bands and also the sports teams. Well, everything is being prepared for a very successful new school year. We had the registration day and took the photo. We are going to be very successful and I want to congratulate everyone for this. Let's continue with the topic of information. We have two topics. The first is a back-to-school update and good afternoon, President RP. While our team is on its way, I want to remind the Council members that this information is for you, but also for the public. It's important to review new things every year. The many good things that have been happening, and
011for those families who are new to our district, uh, always see uh, tomorrow is the first day of school, and I want to give the floor now to Dr. de la Cruz. Thank you, Dr. Anderson. Good evening, President Rushpol, members of the Council and welcome back. With great excitement we share with you how we will inaugurate the 2025-2026 school year and speaking of the return to school, we are already in this back-to- school zone welcoming our students. Tomorrow is the first day. Our teams have been working hard to get us all ready to learn. And our team is going to show you this now. Uh, during the summer we have worked a lot, especially in the last few weeks, the last few days, we have a very large organization. You can see these names on
012the screen. Well, we have served more than 27,000 students and continue to enroll students every day, as President Rushfold pointed out, we have served millions of meals. Uh, we have school buses, we have schools and everything at the service of the students in our buildings. Uh, I told you we've been busy. Well, here on this slide you can see a fraction of the preparations we have been carrying out for this new school year. Our leadership team is always very well prepared this year. New learning, legal updates, 90- day plans, we have leadership in the morning and we always have a welcome picnic. Uh, we also want to meet up with our colleagues. Uh, we also have some delicious, very fresh food that was prepared here in our food department. All staff, all teachers, all grades
013participated in two days of professional development. And we also reviewed the math material throughout. We focus on learning standards. The earliest indicators show that professional development for our teachers covers the highest scandals. Everything has been very positive. We're having a wonderful start to the school year. Now I'll give the floor to Robin Fernández. Good afternoon. We will continue this afternoon . We have a new structure in the eastern area of Lafayette Brunfield. Under the direction of Dan Ryan, executive director Neil Anderson includes the southern part of Polder and finally executive director Tamara Acevedo oversees the northwest area of Polder. Each area has its own needs, but we have common goals. We try to focus on the individual needs of each school. In the school district we have guidelines that have proven to be of great
014value, and I officially present to the community the new principals. We have nine directors who are new to our district. Some are new to the district, and many of them are already familiar faces who have worked with students in different capacities. And García is the director of Monarc. Ain Trujillo, director of the CO primary school. Erin Hinkle, director of Crickside. Brian Graham, Brunfield Heights, Amanda Jones of Aspen Creek, Nick Vanderp principal of Dorado, PK8, Milli Apex Principal, formerly known as Baldertech, Kany Lok, principal of Nuvista, and finally Kev Millamet who will be principal of Netherland, elementary and high school. Congratulations to our new leaders, and best of luck with your communities. Two things I want to mention. The first day tomorrow is we have a Steam program that launches tomorrow at Hewood Elementary. Both the
015staff and the directors have been preparing to welcome the students. A milestone will also be celebrated. Uh, Boulder High School is celebrating its 150th anniversary . Imagine how proud we feel to have been serving the student population. I hope you can join us in celebrating this important date, and with that I give the floor to Bill Sutter. Good evening. For the past 4 days we have had the registration help center . families have been assisted. We close today at 4 pm. Uh, support for all families was provided in the form of reduced-price or free food requests. 20% received help by registering with the district. It's been the usual work for this department, because if they come here to the school district they always find the support they need for enrollments. Good evening everyone. I want
016to give you some updates about the academic department. This is the second year that we are working as an academic team on alignment and consistency to begin this new school year. These are the departments MT SSS DDI, special education, equity in teaching and learning, education for the talented and gifted, early education, and we also facilitate education for coaches in schools. Something we want to highlight is that the team has finished the third year of implementing the co-teaching model and we are going to start a sustainability plan. This increases support in schools, observations, and feedback. This will be implemented over the next 2 years and it's a cycle that goes in stages. The new thing in special education is a program called moderate, which addresses special needs, and we are presenting other resources and we hope
017that we can reduce the number of students placed in high-intensity rooms. Another new thing we have is that we have adopted an evaluation at the primary level from kindergarten to fifth grade. We are very excited to be able to implement this new program. It will help us monitor where we are headed with the MTSS program in the primaries. And the latest thing we have new in the academic department is the mathematics program. It's a new resume. Uh, our team has dedicated a lot of time uh since last spring and as Dr. de la Cruz mentioned, we have trained our leaders and have reached this point. We are very excited to implement this new math program and we also have the update for early childhood education. From August of last year to August of this year,
018we have increased enrollment by 88 students, and that excites us a lot. And thank you. Perfect. Good evening, council members. Welcome back. We thank the community for supporting the bonds, which allowed us to complete 22 projects worth over $74 million. There's a to-do list that still needs to be done, I think you've seen it before. Important work during this summer, this, accessible playgrounds at several schools, this, critical needs, there is more space at Broomfield, Monark and Boulder high schools. We also have a large project that has resulted in this in the schools of Rapaho Ridge and it is a 2-year project. Then it will continue until next summer. The cloudist preparatory course is on the right track. The old building has already been demolished and they are on track to complete the new one by
019the end of October, along with the athletic courts. We have made improvements to the courts at Boltar High, Manc and Manarch High School and Casy High School. We now have new tennis courts at Manarch High School. We have also informed the council about the ways in which we make improvements. We have also had delays at certain facilities, this one at the Manarch and Netherland preparatory schools. We are working on it, but these are recent articles. So, we're doing our best. We have notified the directors and will notify the board when we have more information. We are also doing critical needs work, safety improvements, and in this auditorium, for example, ensuring that students have environments that will inspire their learning for academics, sports, and their careers from an operations point of view . I cannot thank
020the operations team enough for their expertise and commitment. All learning takes place in the district. It doesn't work without them. The operations team takes advantage of empty buildings during the summer. This doesn't happen very often. So they 're completing repairs, doing maintenance, and much more that people don't see. If you find someone from maintenance, thank them because they are very proud of their work. And I do believe that the idea they form creates the conditions for learning in schools. With that, I will allow Dr. James Hill, deputy director of human resources, to speak. Good evening, good afternoon. It's always exciting to give them a human resources update. We're going to talk about hiring from April to August. That's the hiring season and the trends for administrators and certified teachers. In terms of volume, you can
021see that the staff has been working hard. We have 662 positions, we had more than 9,000 applications, we extended 417 offers and we processed 526 hires. We have been working together to ensure that everyone is ready for the start of the school year. The hiring trends of recent years, the numbers 22.8, 22.2 and 22.4, four is the percentage of leaders from diverse backgrounds and as you can see, there is a narrow trend of a decrease between 2023 and 2024 and we have a 2% increase this year compared to last year, we are consistent, but our goal is to maintain and also increase and that remains our goal to increase those numbers. The same is true for certified teachers and staff recruitment. As you can see, from 2023 to 2024 it's the same number; there's a
022small decrease, but from last year to this year we have a slight increase in educators from diverse backgrounds, and although we were able to maintain where we are, the goal is always to sustain and have an upward trend, and we will continue working in that area of hiring and retaining qualified educators from diverse backgrounds. And I'm going to allow Amanda Frank to speak. Good evening, Dr. Anderson. I would like to share an overview of the computer technology work and what will guide us next year. First, the work during the summer. In recent months, teams have worked to ensure that all schools are ready to start the year with technology that is reliable and fully operational. We visit all the schools to inspect, repair, and prepare them for our classes. This year, we delivered more than
0236,000 devices to students. We repair these devices more often to make efficient use of resources. We are also uploading assessment data so that it is immediately available for use. Our special summer project. We had a tender to upgrade our network. We are preparing to modernize our wireless infrastructure and we are going to have a robust process. We're going to incorporate those standards to have a completely modern network. We will comply with Kia and ensure that we receive the maximum reimbursement from the federal government, as well as for our innovation efforts. We are evaluating Google's artificial intelligence offering and are considering how to integrate artificial intelligence in a way that aligns with the district's educational mission and values . We are also creating a comprehensive plan to prepare for the future integration of artificial intelligence. J
024is updating Google's Gemini tools and we're going to have a plan based on what we find. We are conducting a gap and maturity analysis regarding artificial intelligence for the implementation not only of the Google suite, but also the other tools when they become available. This summer was all about preparation, modernization, and innovation, and we're ensuring that the technology is ready for use on the first day of school. We're also taking deliberate steps toward the responsible adoption of artificial intelligence, and with that, we can answer your questions. Thank you for this update, very understanding. Kitty has the first question. Yes, I have a question for Dr. Hill. I look back at the screen to see what I wanted to ask him. I'm curious. It offered jobs, but processed hiring for 526 people. I knew someone was
025going to ask, does anyone include substitutes? The number includes substitute teachers and also some include staff who are already employed, but are going to accept a new position. I know the number didn't fit. Well Alex, Dr. Hill, while you're there, I have one more question. I know he has done a lot. If I am reading the numbers correctly. We have 250 or 236 positions still open if you have this 662 positions and 417uer this offers. Let me, it's the slide that's talking. Yes. Yes, we still have open positions, and I repeat, that's across the entire organization, including community schools— positions that are difficult to fill. We are republishing those positions. Some of these include substitute teacher positions and follow-up. One is how that number of vacant positions compares to previous years and the federal funding,
026the halt in funds, that impacted us. My concern with this part is that I think we had discussed it in the spring, that we might have to freeze work, so we didn't have to do that. It had very little impact. And we were able to publish on time as usual after spring break, around April, and we were doing that. The team worked hard to ensure that we could publish the positions and get the information to the directors . This impact was minimal, but not as much as we had anticipated. And what was the first question for the vacant positions at that time? How does that number compare to previous years? We are in a better place. Last year, as you know, we had difficulty with bilingual schools and working with J1 visas for these employees.
027This year we did it very early because we knew we were going to have those situations. We had learned from last year. We still have difficulties, but we are in a better position this year compared to last year. Board members, I would love to give you an overview of that data year by year, and I can send you that information. I think it's a good metric. And those numbers reflect the successes we 've had in hiring staff for bilingual schools, um , special education teachers, truck drivers, food service, and that was tremendous. So, those are the figures for August 1st. So, if you'll allow us, I'd love to give you an analysis of all that so you have a clearer picture. I wanted to thank you, Dr. Anderson, and your leadership team. I think it's
028a very demanding job. We are anticipating another excellent year. I want to echo that, and all that work is to support our students. Um, there's a question, a question about preschool enrollment. After the inception of universal preschool we have tried several things. And we can attribute the changes, this, the improvement in the changes we have made or how it is relative to expectations. I believe that the majority of us need to go back to where we are with the full-day programming in Sánchez and these important points. We can get that information for you. It would be great to understand what the community is looking for. One thing we do know is where the numbers are highest; that's where we have the enrichment classes. It's also more difficult where we don't have that program. I want
029to echo the comments about the principals who are listening more to this positive information about mathematics. Change is difficult, and we ask a lot of the staff who change. So, I'm glad the reception has been nice. And Dr. Anderson, we want to thank all the employees for what they have done to prepare for tomorrow. The teachers are doing their best in terms of their professional development, and the professional development team has done an incredible job teaching a new curriculum to prepare for school. Illustrative mathematics will be in all primary schools; it is a new primary school curriculum. Council members, we have implemented a new electronic writing program, new assessments, and new mathematics in high school . The team has been really focused on ensuring that all teachers have high-quality materials to use and teach our
030students. I want to make this very clear and I want to thank everyone who participated in the training sessions. I'll be at schools everywhere in the next few days. I hope I find people from the community. Starting at 6:30 in the morning. This is the first visit we've had . Board members are welcome. Ah, I believe we have published the school visits for the first day of school. I want to check if they want to go to the schools; we can do our best. We have to divide the work a little, but we're excited. Thank you all very much. Alex. Going back to my previous comment, I am excited to see the innovation in computer technology and artificial intelligence tools. So, in other districts there is confusion about what to do with all of that.
031So, I'm really excited that we're talking about this, that we can think about this and be grounded in the real world of what professionals and children are doing in 2025. Excellent. Thank you all, and I hope you all have a good day. first day of school. We have another topic for the council, which is the legislative update. We're going to have a special session; we have a deficit of $1.2 billion, and we're going to see what happens. Dr. Anderson, do you have anything to say? No, I think we are anticipating an impact on education in some way. I repeat, last time as board members, we have to keep an eye on that. If they don't cut the dollars, they're going to change the way students count, which is another way of cutting the dollars. So,
032less average, more counts throughout the year, not receiving all the money after a count or receiving a little after each count. We need to keep a close eye on things, and I'll make sure we keep it updated. Excellent. We will follow the grouping of consents 7.1. Personal matters 7.2 approval of the minutes June 17. Approval of the minutes June 20. Subsidy for food services, fruits and vegetables, fractas. Food service subsidy for local food programming. Is there any song you'd like to take out of the group? None. Laura can take attendance. Sorry. Listening to none. We need a motion to try Jason. Seconded by Kitty. Council members. Discussion. None. Alex, I'm curious if the food service subsidies have changed or if this is what we expected. 7.4 and 7.5. That's what was expected. Discussion. Council members.
033Laura, can you take attendance? Chávez. Yes. Medler. Yes. Yes, Brp, yes, Sergeant, yes, Anger, yes, the motion passes. Next is the grouping by consent political action 99.1 policy Ig teaching about religion policy of the board and J selection and adaptation of teaching materials 9.3 3 policy K complaint about curriculum instruction 9.4 complaint about curriculum or instruction 9.5 policy BM board meetings 9.6 policy jo e registered students and 9.7 KLMA relations with military recruiters. Is there one you'd like to remove? listening to none. We need a motion, Katie, seconded by Alex. Any discussion about the topics? Alex, Kitty, Alex, I know that several of us here are adopting because we have to, we're going to have the opportunity to come back and talk, or we have to talk about this now because I think it's going
034to take a lot of time if we do it right now . Thank you for this question. under BP policy. As is true this season, we want to ensure that we have clean policies in place for this school year. The policy requires that we go through the full process after this temporary action. So I want to say first if you're listening, looking at myths, I have two, it's not bacterial viral, it's not contagious, so you're safe and this, sorry for the trouble, recognizing that it's temporary in nature and the need to act and anticipating future discussion, Kathine, can you give us a little recap of the things that guided those required changes? I'd be happy to talk about this a little bit. Last year in Colorado, the legislature without a special session took action and
035adopted bills, and several will have policy implications for our district, bills about information related to immigration, access to facilities in light of immigration action, and a very important bill about the adoption and use of materials in libraries. As a result, there are specific procedural requirements regarding challenges or problems with curriculum materials or library resources. That's what happened at the state level, and it hasn't happened much at the federal level, but that's a joke. I know it's not good. At the end of June we received this 6-3 decision from the Supreme Court. It's a strange decision; it's procedural. I think we are used to the fact that when cases reach the Supreme Court we know what the case is, we know what the facts are, and the law gives us the answer. They did it because
036it's a piece of paper, but in this case we are very early in this policy in Maryland schools adopted this a set of books with LGBTQ themes and a discussion guide to help teachers implement the materials that had been selected and A family in the district raised a complaint about the policy because they did not have the option of choosing a leave of absence to opt out. Therefore, there was no specific right for a family to waive the participation of their students. No, the federal courts haven't made a decision, so we're very early in the litigation process. So, the family requested a preliminary decision while they hear the case. The family said, "We want them to force the school district to give us a leave of absence from that subject." So, what we have is
037part of the preliminary decision while the case proceeds. The court said, "If there's a right, and then they sent it back to the district court. Bolder, as is often the case, if we have policies that already address those issues, then we already have this daughter policy, IG or AC, when we talk about religion, when we're going to include a religious song in a play. It's a pretty detailed policy. So, we're reviewing the policy to align it with the Supreme Court's decision to address other related policies that talk about the selection of materials, and the Council's policy and J, and you're going to see the elements of the Supreme Court case and also the Colorado bill regarding the selection and consideration of materials. So, that's the context for tonight's changes. It's important to think about where
038we are in this process. We're in Colorado. We know what a beautiful river it is, and we're paddling, and we know how we're going to navigate the river. It's a little more difficult to do it here because we don't yet have a complete map. The courts have more work to do, but we know the water, we work with many diverse families. We want students to come to school starting tomorrow and be honored." because of the incredible individuals that they are. We've shared this policy update with the educators, and the intention is to start the first day of school with a plan in place. We're anticipating hearing from the community, from the educators, and I would say these policies are posted on our website under council policies for review. It's a good way for the community
039to give their feedback. We haven't received any so far. And before I wrap up, I know I was going to speak briefly, but I am an attorney. Please take that into account. I want to acknowledge the excellent leaders in the district. Rey Sakura is the district library coordinator. She's a legend. Governor Polis signed the law, and he was in my office with a well-written document that gave us a well-thought-out idea of the policy and what we need to adopt tonight, and I want to acknowledge his work because it makes my job and the council's job so much easier. Thank you for that, for that review, Kath Alex. Yes, thank you, that helped me a lot. Thank you for your explanation, and something I'm proud of about Boulder and our efforts is that all the children
040see themselves reflected in their curriculum, in the materials, and that what we're teaching is inclusive of everyone within our community. I think managing these legal challenges puts us in a good position, but it can also be difficult, and we don't want to dishonor the children, their families, and their heritage. We want them to see themselves reflected in what they're learning, and I look forward to getting into more detailed discussions about this. Alex, um, I reiterate what you just said. I believe that as members of the board, we have an obligation to follow the law and do what's in the best interest of those within our community, so they feel safe, welcome, and represented. These initial drafts do a good job of what we want to do. And I hope the public knows that there may
041be challenges in the future with changes from the federal government, but we're very proud to be a part of BBD, and I hope you feel the same way. Any further discussion on these topics? Dr. Anderson, I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Kathine for her incredible work on these adjustments, and I want to reiterate to Alex Nico what you both said. I think it's important for educators to know that they have our support. And that they clearly understand the rights of parents as determined by the Supreme Court and the support they receive from us in teaching the curriculum—a curriculum that was designed so that everyone feels like they belong and sees themselves reflected in it. And I think it's incredibly important as part of our success to create positive cultures. And I think clarity
042is very important, especially when things get turbulent; clarity is going to be very important in those moments. And our team has been communicating with your approval tonight, and we're going to continue communicating and keep you and our community up to date on things and how we're doing with this policy. With that, Laura, would you call for a vote on group consent on policy? Chavez, yes. Mler, yes. Quan la Noira, yes. Rashpa, yes. Sergeant Hunger, yes, the motion passes. Council members, members of the public, that brings us to the last item on today's agenda. It's this: requests for the future, anything you want to start the year on this topic. Alex has spoken We've touched on this a couple of times, but I do hope that at some point we can have an in- depth discussion
043about artificial intelligence, not so much as an update on what we're doing, but the strategy and our vision for how we're going to do it. And I suggest that's a more general overview of the use of technology. I do n't know how to talk about or bring up those two things, but those two points are important, and it's good that the staff learns more about them. Jason, thank you, Alex. And I was going to suggest the same thing. I don't remember the last time we had this in front of the board, but I would also love an update. I'm sure technology has changed tremendously since the last year, but also not just the specific program we 're using, but the overall context of technology, and yes, not just which programs we're adopting. But as Alex
044mentioned, I'm all for that as well, right? An agenda item. But I want to remind you that Laura shared the Casby delegates' meeting . If you have any feedback, it's in the email, and I wanted to send that out as soon as possible and remind you. That wraps things up for tonight. Thank you all, and have a good night. Yes.