001Heat. It's really cool. Lot of brain power in that room. >> I think they're being >> no ability to walk. The amount of junk food those kids eat, like all of them, I'm watching these kids. I'm like, "How are your brains working on this?" Sugar, >> you want to call the meeting to order at 5:33? >> Any public participation? No. FYI, budget review? Shandra, you have the floor. All right. So, we're going to start with um food service. That's the only one that we have not gone over yet. and Tina has joined us. So, um this is another one of those accounts that um I made some changes in on the uh GL numbers just so that you're aware when you see a zero in a line and money in a line it never had
002anything because I moved um moved some things around. Um Tina did let us know today that the ste the today. Yeah. No, it was great. Um that the equipment purchases it's at the top of page two in the food service budget which is closer to the back of your book right there. >> Got it? >> Yep. >> Okay. Um, so we put in 30,000 for a new steamer because she's had to have that uh the current one fixed twice this year, actually three times this year. But, uh, this last time um, she was talking with the person who did it and, um, has been advised not to replace it. Um, so we will be taking that 30,000 out of this budget. Um, I will be putting in probably 5,000 more into uh maintenance contracted service
003just in case. We have some other things. So, we'll [laughter] be taking just in case. So, um we'll be taking Yeah. 25,000 out of this budget, which is nice. Um, >> other than that, let's make sure your mic's on if you guys speak, please. So, uh, so other than that, it's a pretty straightforward budget. Um, of course, you're not going to see anything for fresh fruits and veggies because that's all, um, what's awarded and you can't spend any more than what's awarded. Um, so we don't budget expenses or revenue for that, but it is in here. you're going to see lines in there um for that because once it starts hitting, we do have to have it run through the regular uh budget for food service. Um overall, it is a little bit of an
004increase, but it's going to be um actually much less uh >> because of the 30,000, >> right? It's going to be um Yep. Uh we're going to take 25,000 out. So, it's going to be a $64,000 um increase to the budget. for 64. >> 64. Yeah. And once I'll redo these tomorrow and email them out to everybody or actually I I'll just give you hard copies tomorrow night and you can replace the current one that's in your book with a new hard copy if that's okay. It's >> fine with me. >> All right. Is is the food completely reimbursed? Now, >> it's reimbursed according to meals served. >> Correct. >> Yeah. So, you get reimbursed for the number of meals that you serve. Now, that's not to say that it's going to be reimbured at
005100%. >> Right. But it's >> But it's [clears throat] Yeah. Mhm. Um so we are looking to do an increase for the what's considered the alakart which is the adult meals but just for breakfast. Um it's it's a pretty low um rate. What is it? Uh two $2 and we're going to increase it to three. We'd like we'd like to increase that to three for breakfast. Um the lunch will stay as it is because that's a pretty fair price um for for um that >> home. >> Yeah. Mhm. >> So the fruit and vegetables that's not paid for is paid for. Oh, right. So no, it's reimbursed. >> Okay. So we don't have it in the high school. My understanding is there's no cart in the >> It's not It's not eligible if I Is
006that correct, Tina? That the high school is not eligible school and middle school. It's a K8 program. >> Okay. and the breakfast. Um cuz I'm looking at we're supposed to follow the 532 whatever the thing was. >> Yeah. And I just happened to be having a conversation with a little and it was Scooby snacks, plain yogurt, and a lot of blueberries. Now, is that which I I would not find very appealing for me, but where does that go? So, as part of that, like the blueberry get reimbured, but the yogurt and the other stuff wouldn't be. No. So, the fresh fruits and veggie program is just for um the snacks. >> The snacks. It's just for the snacks. Um Tina, you can help me out because I'm not sure when this is being served, what
007she's talking about. Breakfast. It's breakfast. Is that a full That's considered a full component. >> Yeah. Yeah, we have to give them grainsacks. >> The the the Scooby snacks are a whole grain that we have to give them. So, they get the whole grain and then they get their protein with the yogurt and then they have to have fruit to go with it. We have to give them three components for >> and the whole grain when a snack. It's a prepackaged snack, but yes, but it meets the requirements for salt, sodium, and sugar. >> That's why that's Yeah, it does meet the requirements. And Tina has to be really careful about that. >> Yeah. and she just had her um had an audit that she came through with flying colors. So it, you know, and
008they do measure all of the um meals. They did they which did they pick just the um one location or did they do all three? >> We did high school, middle school this time, but um I ended up I thought it was going to be at the elementary school, so they got all of our elementary school production records, too. So we kind of got all >> So we got it all done at once. Yeah. Yep. And that was a great job, Dina. And the one thing that they did come back when you talked about prepackaged US cereal at the high school was that it because it comes in a different in a bigger serving size and because of the serving size it changed the sugar. So she had to go back and re and we've
009already adjusted that what she orders now right size but less sugar. That was the one thing that helped for us. >> Now if I'm not mistaken we always used to do Alica at the high school. Um, is it is it feasible or is it just time consuming that we don't do it? We're trying to figure out how Allart will fit back into the the the system again, but I think it's feasible. We'll we'll work on getting um the infant campus going so that way parents and students can put money on an account so they have money on their account to purchase all the cart stuff. >> Yeah. I just I knew we always had it. So I was surprised when you said it wasn't there. >> Did that stop during CO? Um when you came
010back from CO is that when it >> I think it was I think it was precoid but we are looking into it. Okay. Thank you. There is a challenge I'll just say sometimes with alle cart at the probably more at the middle school level than the high school level it can create halves and have nots >> because it's not the it's not the what's offered to everybody. It's only if you have money. >> Oh exactly. >> And it can it there are instances that it can create issues >> with kids and who I buy lunch for or treats for and who I don't. And it can it can create some social challenges >> to deal with at the middle school level. Not so much at the high school, but the middle school level. Well, it's
011a struggle though, right? Because kids want to eat at the school so that they're not necessarily Some kids it's a they don't want to bring home a lunch because they want to eat whatever's at school. But I've been to high school and middle school before. Lunches sometimes aren't great. And so you want to be able to buy something. So then you got kids that are either not eating or they're feeding the trash because they can't actually get something they like. So >> we're wasting a lot of money on some kids cuz they're getting it cuz that's what's there but they're not eating it. And I mean that's why I'm in there and they throw a lot of food out. >> Mhm. >> A lot. >> Mhm. >> You know, and the sad part about all
012of that is as long as they're taking it, we're reimbursed. Not that that excuses, you know, the situation. Um but um and also time if kids don't have time to eat a full meal but there's alikart that they can just purchase something at least they're getting something to eat. >> Um so so you know six of one half a dozen the other uh it's it's a challenge >> I would say and also um I I believe at the elementary level it might be a challenge on having enough time to eat. >> Yeah they like to talk. >> Yeah. Yeah, they do. >> They like to talk. They like to tell you what your day what the day is like and it's it's good. That's you know that's Yeah. Well, that's where sometimes I think that
013goes to a different conversation, but the snacks available because they don't always eat at lunch and kids are hungry. And Tina's done again, we have a fresh fruits and vegetable cart that's available. And even at lunchtime, Tina's done a good job of um extra like sandwiches or whatever that are left in the teacher's room. So if we know somebody didn't eat >> during the >> chaos might not be an appropriate word but the activity of >> activities >> the cafeteria sometimes kids it's too much function. >> So she makes extra sandwiches teachers are aware if they need to go down and get something for student they can help themselves. >> Speaking of teachers I guess my last question will be for the food service. Are we offering meals to to All All staff is purchasing
014their meals. Okay. So, there's no meals going out. >> Yes. Everyone purchased them. >> Okay. Question. All right. Do you have any other questions on food service? So, I will get you all new um new budgets with uh which will also do the assessments. Okay? But I'll give that all to you and bring it uh tomorrow meeting. Next, in front of you, you will see all of the requests that um you had asked for at the last um two budget meetings. So, on top, I did a summary of what your assessments would look like, and I'm sorry it's so small. I couldn't get it any bigger. Um, that's why I went for a pair of glasses, but guess who didn't put them back in my vehicle. >> Oh, your husband. It must have been. >>
015It was. Yeah. [laughter] >> I have a pair in my car. I can get you another pair. >> Oh, do you? Let me see if I can see with them. >> Oh, yeah. I can see with them, Ruth. Thanks. >> Thank you, Ruth. >> You're welcome. I have like four or five going. >> I usually do, but guess where they There they are. >> Are you Are they readers? >> Yeah, they just they're just over the counter. Yeah, >> that's all mine. But whatever hurt. >> They work. >> Yeah, they work. >> I have to take mine off to read. >> I used to before I had the laser surgery. >> Supposed to have those. You know what? >> You had LASIC? >> Yeah, a long time ago. >> Oh, I did too. And it
016lasted a year. >> Mine's just a year. >> I think mine's like 25 years. >> Yep. Best thing I ever did. But as I get older and the printing gets smaller. >> But says everybody at this table is wearing less. But the $2 glasses are better than the 500. >> There you go. So, I'll let you guys just look at this um and wait until Ruth gets back to talk about it. Uh Julie, if I read your email right, you did have a chance to watch it, correct? Thank you. H. There is some substantial changes. Wow. >> Swap in case you steal these. I like those. >> Okay. Thanks. I won't. I'll go. >> We should probably leave these in there. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> We're on the card. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
017>> No, we waited for you around this packet. >> I was looking at the option page that was created based on what >> correct? Yes. So, when you look at your big sheets, um you'll see that um they're all labeled option one, two, three, and four. And I just summarized the assessments. If you look down at the bottom of every one of the options, you can see what the um assessments are going to look like pertaining to that particular option. Um but I just summarized it on one sheet for you. So, shall we start with option one? >> Yes. Yes. >> So that was the removal of the uh truck. >> Mhm. >> Out of maintenance. >> So that would drop the um budget down 65,000 and um you can see from the assessments it
018um brings it down to 2.3 overall increase to the assessments. Um 1% would be for Searsport and then 4.1% 4.2% 2% for for Stockton. See this port [snorts] >> right next to it. >> Oh, I'm looking over there. Got it. >> Yep. Right down at the bottom. Sorry. >> Pointed to the wrong column, but so that would uh change the budget from 15.590 to 15 uh excuse me, 12.525. Yeah. 15. So that's a pretty straightforward one. >> And I apologize. I wasn't here for a meeting last week. Sorry. >> No. What's the truck? I know it's for >> It's for sanding and plow. It's a It's a regular truck. And then we're going to have um a plow and then a sander with it. That's what we were looking at. What's that? >> Can we
019use something plow? >> We do, but not for the bus garage when it's built. And we didn't originally put it in the budget, but we had to because this wasn't getting plowed. >> We didn't include this at one time. >> Correct, Denise. Thank you. >> And part of that was because we need that to be done early in the morning before the buses roll out and before people arrive at this office and so it just works better to have our own truck for that reason. >> Yes. Will you be running said truck because that cost that costs money for body? Um >> probably Josh. >> Mr. Josh would be >> right. >> Yeah. >> But the bus garage. >> Yeah. >> Um >> and if not, I mean somebody over there could could do it,
020too. >> I'm just saying is there going to be a salary increase to go along with the truck? >> No, no, no, no. This is that would always be done during regular work time. I would like to add that the the truck is useful during the school day as well for um those instances where we don't get a lot of snow enough to warrant having the whole parking lot plowed, but it snows continually. Um, and it allows us to sand and salt the back [snorts] playground of the elementary school, some of the walkways throughout the day as if we have melting and stuff like that. So, it's not just for uh plowing the the bus garage alone. It's for um >> potentially have more use. Yes. >> Yep. >> Now, is that above the one
021that was in the fire or is this replacing that one? >> This is replacing that. >> Okay. again because we don't know how much we're going to be getting. >> That's what I thought we talked about. This is replaced. >> Yep. >> So, could there be potentially some insurance money that goes into that >> uh purchase? >> Um, possibly. But I have a feeling that any money we get back, it's going to have to go towards the building of the >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Of the garage itself. All right. Option two is removing the lease um third lease potential which we had put in at 220,000. So that has a significant um impact on the budget itself. Um as far as the towns are concerned, um there would be no increase
022to Sears Sport and a 1.9% increase to Stockton and actually Sears Sport's budget would be cut uh assessment would be cut by 1%. >> Now this is this is the renovations for the elementary school. >> This is the new lease potential. Yep. Correct. I'm sorry, Shandra. This is the 220. Is that for the the big shebang? It's >> This is just for what you guys had decided upon when um EMC was here. >> Okay. So, like the lights. >> Yeah. Everything. Yeah. Windows, doors, >> y that really expensive round window that I like. So there is a is a decrease. Yep. >> Y and can I just ask a quick question about that before you move on? Um >> there is potential though to refigure that lease and have parts of it, things we absolutely
023need and maybe take parts out that we don't necessarily need. >> Absolutely. Absolutely. But to be consistent and have apples to apples, we're using the figure. Okay. Um they had said with just those things that that had been decided that night, >> correct, that you'd potentially like to see. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Cuz they thought we could alocart them as well. So this is barebones that we decided on that night and took it completely out. Okay. Yes. Yep. So the next option was um to remove one of the either the hearing or the vision um screener for health. And I just I put in the vision um primarily because uh the Lions Club might help with that purchase. So uh I I took that that's my call. I took it out. Um and then also
024with the truck to see what that would do. um brings the overall increase down to 2.2. It's a 96 for uh Searsport and then four 4% increase for Stockton. And we're going to stress that this the increase really isn't us from the local in that when we meet with them. Correct. Um, some of it is ours because our our bottom line did would increase, but um, yes, some of it for Stockton is due to the uh the required local increase from the state. Correct. >> Yep. And and this may not be the first to ask this question, Sandra, but as you know, cuz you sat or heard part of it and you were definitely there, the goal was if we close the school down to us a month, it's going to be cheaper. So like
025how we looking at once again I get it you can't you know I had one guy recently in front of a whole group of people that I had at my residence like if you divide the budget up by the number of students is costing us 35,000 like you know very well that's gaslighting that is not how you do a school budget and you can't do that but that's still the the going concept for folks. So, is there because I can Stockton is going to get hit harder this time than than last or than us. Y >> um how do we or what is your plan? And I apologize if I missed cuz I I got the last half an hour of the video that I didn't quite finish. How what is the plan to explain
026to folks that even if we shut this school down and we go to Bucksboard or whatever, you're taking on all of their debt. you're making an assumption that a school can assume that many bodies or that parents want to send their kids and blah blah blah and it name it's not going to be true. >> So it would we would not have to take on their debt. Their debt would stay with them if if they have any debt. It would stay with Bucksport. It would not be um put over onto Searsport because it was something that was voted on prior to Searsport join joining Searsport in Stockton, >> right? >> So they would they would retain that themselves. Um but any new debt should they have to it it would be divided between all of
027us >> and not only that is is we would explain to them your mill rate and your town evaluation >> doesn't change >> it doesn't change you're still going to be stuck with whatever you have right now >> that's what I want to be prepared for because like you know the other thing that people aren't thinking of is that if god forbid that happened which we're going to fight very hard never happens um you know no building can just randomly assume 200 400 people right like it just doesn't work that way, right? You're going to need more bodies. You're going to need more teachers. You're not you're going to just be paying to have the same number of kids educated somewhere else, right? >> Um, so it's not going to change. >> Well, exactly. I
028just wanted cuz I know you know some kind of little cheat sheet kind of like fun facts thing. Yep. Um, and so they would also have the option if this if this school was to close, of course it would have to be Stockton and Sears Sports choice to do such um the voters, the public. Um, but Bucksport could say, "Yeah, you can tuition them." So, we'd be in we'd have to pay tuition for every single student, which would be close to $12,000. We're going over there. >> And then, um, anything uh for special education students, you're going to pay on top of that. So, I mean, that could go up to 36,000 depending on what they're paying for services. And it also could be be a placement for 200,000 as well if they cannot educate
029the child in that system. >> Yeah. >> And that's per student. >> That's why I'm wondering if you could still please do like myth fact some kind of basics like you know even if this school did close your evaluation like fact does not you know false does not go down. So, we I don't think we had that in what we were working on, but if you want to send us questions like that and we could build something. >> Um, >> you had some really good ones last time. >> Just email them. Yeah, email them to us and we can >> again we're creating a budget community >> packetformational packet with lots of information similar to what you put in the book but I mean with staffing with lots of information of things that are happening
030in this district and and data and things like that so that they know what's happening they're paying for it. >> Yep. All right. And then option four is um what Denise had asked for, which was cutting that um the new potential lease in half. And that's that has a um a sizable impact as well at 110,000. Um brings uh Sears Sports down to 1.5 4 1.45 and then Stockton >> 0.45. Thank you. Um Stockton's would be 3.5 um increase overall it would be 1.7 increase when you when you do the the big town budget and we depending on what we you know what we deal with. Um I know that oh god I forgot his name again. Is it Jeff? Um you know how he said that like for example the windows on the doors
031like yeah you can choose to not replace them. However, you're like blowing up oil out there. Like, can we make sure that we include the number of the cost savings for oil and things of that nature that we would be saving by actually having properly functioning doors and windows cuz I think a would do that. So, we probably can pull that from there. We include it into >> I think it was on the presentation. >> Yeah, I'm sure it was. Yep. >> Yep. So is that's the four things that we asked. Those are the four things that you had asked for. Now we can do more if you've come up with something else. Um or if you know we we hit on kind of what your your thoughts were. I guess my thought is is
032I don't want to come in. I don't want to slash so much that if they say no, we have nowhere to go. >> Exactly. >> Um that's my first thinking. >> Um I have been expressed in that everything Ruth has said, we have got to be prepared no matter which way that we as a group decide to move forward. Um Shandra has put on um a lot of explanations of anything that has been changed. If you had noticed in your in your books when you went over them, that's going to be quite a plus. Um we're going to go the 17th and the 23rd to the two towns. Um so I guess I don't know what you guys are thinking. Um which way you would like to go or any of you. I think we
033got to talk it out tonight and see whoever wants to start. But I don't want to cut it so bad that we have nothing and I don't want to um leave these guys with nowhere to go if the town says no from the word go. But we would be covered if they said no. Correct for the first one or not. How does that go? Well, it depends on what you >> what you choose because um like I said before, >> we've presented a budget to you that's based on need and we've we've done the combining of positions. We've moved people um >> and Laura will have all of that broken out and I'm going to tack on a cost to the savings of of that as well. So I that's >> I think Laura said
034it before that at this point >> we're talking positions >> correct >> if we have to go any deeper and that impacts kids and that impacts kids but also we're running into a timeline where we don't have enough time to do a notification if we're going to riff a teacher. So, and I and I get it. You're this is the f and I I I am as much as I am terrified of numbers, this is my like I can understand this. So, I appreciate that. >> Um, in your the video, like I said, I was short for the last 20 minutes. So, I appreciate that for you guys. This this 125 that is what we started with last year, right? And it was said no. So, then we came back with a zero. But this
035is what we so this is not like this is not a number. I mean it should shock because obviously nobody wants an increase but this isn't like hundreds of thousands above what we offered what we presented last year for the first time. I think the number was 542,000 or something was the original >> increase to the budget. >> Yes. This is 525 and what it was. >> No, what I'm saying is what the increase was this this year was 5,442 something. >> Right. 542,000 something. >> Yes. So, in and of itself, that is not a tremendous increase. >> Well, what I'm saying is it's exactly what I mean, it's what we asked for last year. >> You're saying it's very similar to what >> it's what was but the point is now we've done what
036they've asked us to. We now have, you know, doubled up in classes. You've got K's and ones. You've got a third grade teacher big classroom. You've got, you know, um, social worker spots that aren't filled. And right now, it's working out because our numbers, but we don't know what all this is going to look like. And I don't want to >> [clears throat] >> It's not. And I get it. I pay I pay a lot of taxes in this town. Um I'm concerned that if we this pretty much anything less than this and the kids are going to be negatively impact. We can't control salary. We can't control insurance. We've taken everything off the table. There's no fluff. Really? >> No. No fluff. >> Um no. And yeah, it was 543,000 Gres is the is
037the increase. Um and Ruth, uh talking about last time compared to this time, um we're looking at using um almost 200,000 more in carryover money to bring down um the assessments. I think that is a very important piece piece. >> Yeah. to share during our public meeting that there's already been, you know, a decrease to that assessment, >> right? >> Which we actually don't control, but we had $200,000 that we could put toward it. >> Exactly. And and this is 200,000 that they've already raised. they've already paid this money on on assessments throughout the years and haven't used all of the budget, but you still have that revenue coming in because that's set from the towns. So, for us to be able to give it back in this instance, I I think it's appropriate because
038this is the time where we're going from 2 years of having, you know, no, no increase. So now um for us to get an increase, we need to give a little back, which is appropriate, 100% appropriate. Um but it's not going to happen again. It's we're not going to have 1.5 million to do correct the following year. Um but hopefully the increase will be minimal at that point. Um, you just can't come in with a zero base increase. Zero increase for >> ever. >> For forever, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Did you say it's 250? >> What? >> The buy now. >> 200. >> It's 207,857. And so the the 543,000 is above and beyond the 27,000 buy down. >> That's that's the increase to the budget. >> The expenses. This is just the the
039expenses. >> Just the expenses from um this year to next year. >> Um actually I think you need to be very careful and this probably goes on your FAQs. If I'm looking at this, I'm going to say, why the hell do you have $1.5 million to carry over from last year? Yeah. >> And does that so why should I give, you know, if you had that much to carry over, why am I giving you anything? Cuz you had so much money left over. Yeah. No, and I get it. But again, if we use that all now, we're going to have a cliff and they're going to be supported. There's not going to be that that amount of money. And I can tell you what it would look like if we didn't do that. it it's
040not maybe I'm not being clear. I just think we need to explain where it comes from and why we're able to do it this year and why it won't be available in future years. >> Well, in and a portion will be available, but if we were to take that out, the budget would increase by almost 25%. The assessment the assessments would increase by almost 25%. Um but [clears throat] so by using a little bit at a time to help out and having a reserve so that on years that we know that we're going to have a bigger increase and we can pull more in to help out then I think that that's our responsibility to do that. Um, but it's also our responsibility not to spend it all because we don't know what's going to
041happen. If we had um, you know, have a roof fail and we don't have enough money in contingency left in maintenance, we're going to have to go back to the public and say, "We've got this money. Can we use it?" But we also had the um positions that nobody ever applied for. That's part of the money I believe, isn't it? >> Um and every year if you budget because you need those positions, but you can't find anybody. Nobody applies. You don't fill them. >> Yeah. That money is going to stay. Um so the question is, you didn't fill it. You made it through without it. Why do you need it? So please be prepared to get out of here because we're not doing it this year. That's where we're we've combined and we're um we've
042moved people around and they're covering elementary, middle, they're covering high school, middle. So that we're we're bringing those together and not >> So I know that, but I'm saying making sure that that's part of the Absolutely. >> speaking to that because any stretch further is going to impact kids. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I I'm not saying you have to necessarily publicize this ahead of time, but I'd have a full breakdown for you of where that 1.5 comes from exactly. So that >> and I I ain't going to tell you right now, there's no way I can do that based on history. I don't know what was filled, what wasn't filled, where it came from. Um, what I can do is I can tell you how much money was raised and how much
043you spent each year and that equals a carry forward or a a fund balance, undesated fund balance. But I can't it it would I there's not enough time for me to go through and figure out, okay, what got filled, what didn't get filled. >> But you could say in general when that kind of thing happens, like some general scenarios >> I can talk to this year. This year we didn't this year we didn't fill a a special ed teacher we didn't f and I can equate that to there were things money that's about $400,000 for teachers >> a teacher runs about $103,000 so that's about >> but going forward you'll be able to explain that because you have a different assistant here that can explain like hey we got third grade so we didn't fill
044that position and so that was 103 and we didn't fill a kindergarten spot so there's another 103 >> but you also went back and and recuperated money from the 23 grants. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> So, >> but that wasn't those aren't expenses that are in the local budget anyway. >> I I get that. But what I'm saying is you still have gone back um and and >> right >> tried to rectify the audits from 23 and um that even though it might not be that specific thing, but what I'm saying is you've recouped a lot of money. >> Yeah. >> That we necessarily didn't have and um >> That's true. >> And that's showing up now. >> Yep. And you also have had um >> That's true. >> It is true. I mean, the
045money wasn't there and all of a sudden you went back and you and you um build them and you actually got the money and it was close to 400,000 right there. >> So, what I'm saying is it might not be that specific thing, but you have the money coming back into the programs and and thus you might not have had to tax so much into this budget or and and it's still in the lines, but it's there, right? And that's not counting um what you had done moving forward for your 24 budget audit. I mean, I'm sorry. Correct. >> And so it it's probably money that we had out but it never came back and and it was expended. So um when it's expended it takes away from your fund balance until it gets reimbured.
046Correct. So you are correct. The fund balance would have been lower. M um and then when those >> payments >> when the money came in it increased our fund balance it's going to go to the fund balance. >> Yes. >> So I mean that 400,000 right off the top that close to 400,000 that she explained to us in finance that she went back and build. It's coming back. It just took >> we we've Yeah, we've we've um gotten it all >> and and like I said and you and you're still doing the 24 audit, so I'm sure that there's more money there coming back >> hopefully. [laughter] Yeah. So, >> and and the billing's changed if I'm not mistaken. Didn't I didn't we notice that the um billing for Medicare or Medicaid or however whatever
047that's that's changed and hopefully we got money coming from that too, which that'll be an a surplus. >> Yes. And and we know that's going to happen um because of the changes we made with the social worker. >> Mhm. And and if I'm not wrong, I'll I'll even go further if I'm not mistaken, is that you have um >> we did have reserve counts accounts that we have been setting up for the last few years that we could we could only is it 3%. So we did add different categories to bring that money into, >> right? >> I I can't remember what they exactly are, but I know that that's a part of it, too. >> There was uh I believe special education um fuel. >> Yep. um stabilization and I think there was another
048one in the second one was just a general but I'm not 100% sure. I can't remember, but I know that >> I always had I think that was always >> I know there was three accounts that was >> was always one of them and special ed was always one. >> Yeah, but I I'm not really sure what the third one was. But but yes, I to your point, Sabrina, 100%. We need to be prepared um the best that we can. Yeah, I was just trying to think wherever we we were drawing from and and I know that we had those accounts and then I also like I said I know that you've recuperated a lot of money from for us and um so Julie you're next. What are you thinking? I I guess I would
049be more comfortable if we took out um 110,000 and it brought Stockton down to 3.5. I think that's an easier pill to swallow. >> Um and it doesn't directly impact students. It's it's helping the building to maintain the building but without directly impacting the students. And then we could do the other half next year. Put that into next year's budget. >> Well, so what you need to remember that 220,000 is not the cost of the full project. It's what the yearly payment would be. So we're talking 17 years at 220,000. So that is going to go away that new EMC project or it's going to be greatly reduced by that. So, that being said, well, actually, let's get everybody else's opinion and then we'll talk about the bonds. Chris, I'm still thinking about this, but
050I think that I do absolutely want to make sure that we have someplace to go. So, I don't want to select one of these options if it leaves us with nowhere to go. Um, I do like, you know, if there's something and I know that this is a lean budget because that $543 is $543,000 is not a huge increase. Um, so I just don't know where of these options. >> I I want to hear more about the lease um the bond. Um, >> and then maybe I'll have a clearer picture of okay, >> a direction to go, but right now I don't. Ruth >> Chris said exactly what I was thinking. >> Okay. >> There's nothing else to add. >> Any >> Yeah. No, I'd I'd like to understand the bond option and what that
051does to the overall picture. I'd also like to understand how a like how a bond floating a bond works here. I mean, who has to vote on it? When does it get put forward? All that stuff. >> Okay. Yep. Do you have an opinion? >> I've I've stated mine. >> You want the 10 110? >> No. Is that what No, >> I'm going to go through with the whole budget because I'm not going to >> Do I think it's the smartest move? No, I don't. But I think it's the smartest move for us when we until we know about the bond that we've talked about. What could we put in the bond? What could come out of here? But we're still going to pay for the bond one way or the other. It's just how
052you pay. It's still going to be a bill. >> Yeah. So, so do that. >> And I will just restate again what I said last time. And it's not they're not going to look at the $543,000. They're not going to care about the 1.5 that was put in to supplement. They're going to look at this bottom line. Whatever it is, it looks disparaging for one particular town. >> Y >> and that's what the focus is going to be. And I just think we all the information that you've prepared is going to be helpful in that regard. And and as we said, we know the county budget is already at 17 something that they signed. Yeah, >> I'm not even sure they actually signed it. I think that's what it is. There's no way that we
053can change what the mill rate is. We cannot change the the assessment of the towns. You're living on the water. We can't help it. >> Yeah. And so all those things we just need to >> we have to make sure they know the um >> help them understand >> that this is not something that we have control over. >> Yeah. The that disparity between the towns is not something we have control over. >> Yeah. And again, if you go back and look at any district that has multiple towns, >> you're going to see that there are towns that have higher and there are towns that have lower within the same district. It just happens to be that you just have two, which I think sometimes makes it more challenging than if you had five towns,
054>> you know. Um, >> and again, as you stated, Chris, we don't have control. the state looks at the valuation and makes those determinations. And then we have to do what we can control, which is to build a as fiscally responsible a budget as we can. And and we feel that we're making the best choices we can right now. And every year, I think as we know the district better, we can get better at making those decisions. Um, but we're I think this is a good first step >> on the on your forms. I mean, you know, these spreadsheets that I did, if you look in the upper right corner, that's going to show you what what the option does to the budget, >> the increase on the top right. >> Right. Based on um
055the current budget. >> Yeah. Can you explain Shandra? Um so, if I'm just cuz I want to make sure I understand this, that would be an increase of 478 whatever, which is 3.9% of a budget increase. What's this 237 here? What's that? Um that is the bottom line assessment increase and this is the percent of the budget. Yes. >> So this assessment is total percentage not by town. >> Correct. You want the individual town. You look at the bottom of the page >> and you'll see that the 1.09 the 4.1 the >> and they in two different places. Yeah. Yeah. >> Thank you. I just want to make sure. Yep. Mhm. Nope. That's that's good. I think the other thing that is going to be hard to convey um I think our numbers are doing
056good. I think they're on they look like they're on our student numbers look like they're on maybe we got more people coming, right? like we're building a school that if we get more people here um and we're hoping that their meeting the other day went well that the state is not going to allow >> students to leave anymore without a a financial burden on the district's loosen them. So they understand that the the whole purpose of that meeting was for feedback and for them to give us um an idea of what some of the options were going to be and how they were going to be looking at Did you hear anything about how today went? >> Today was the the hearing. Um, so you know, one of the things that I've never understood is
057that if a a a student leaves the district, um, because there's criteria. >> Yeah. >> And I know we have gone and said, "Hey, wait a minute. This doesn't seem right." And it's been upheld, so to speak. I don't know if that's the correct word. And the other district receiving knows that, hey, maybe this person does or doesn't live here. like I feel like they should be financially responsible for health. Like that's that's a huge deficit for us. And I just I I think it's it's just it's very disconcerting to me that professionals working in the acade field of academia, working with students would be like, "Oh, wink wink nod nod." To me, that's really like I feel like there should be a significant reprimand from DOE for doing that. I think when populations in
058schools were very large, there was a it was a lot easier to just kind of forgive and and let those things happen. I think as we're starting to get into a crunch with enrollment and all districts are saying we really need our kiddos, we really need them. It's I think there's some change that's happening, but it's slow and it's hard and it's it's tricky to change some of the behaviors of people that this is the way that they theirou how they used to operate and we'll take everybody and anybody. It doesn't really matter yet what they say. So I think as Shandra said I think there's a shift now and I think there probably needs to be a bit more whether it's DOE state control that says and one of the things that they're working
059on and I think I shared this with Denise they come out with a new draft superintendent agreement packet that will be statewide because they're so different all over the place and I think they're still working on it's pretty it's pretty big but it gives parents a really good opportunity to lay out their case. is the superintendent to lay out their case why it's a yes or why it's a no and the receiving or sending whatever so that they're getting DOE is getting lots of input and you know so for example if you feel felt that there was somebody that was living in your district that was using a different address that that's a little bit different because that's not a super agreement that's someone going over to another district and enrolling and using a different
060address and that's a little bit different and charge. I mean, you can request of the other superintendent to put a bug in their ear and say, "I suspect that you have, you know, perhaps, you know, a family that has used a a false address." And it's a choice whether they want to listen or not. And the other thing is if you want your kid to another district so bad, then pay for it, right? Because I I really I mean it's very frustrating when we have 80% of our district is below the poverty level and we're going to keep I mean it's harming. It is harmful when you have to cut staff and you have to cut programming and you have to cut instruction time because we don't have all these things and you've got folks
061that are being quite frankly dishonest. Um and it negatively impacts the kids. So like my thing is I whatever we can do in this district to if there's a legitimate reason we're reasonable but there we know that that's not all right. >> Um and so that's problematic and how do we address that in a tactful and um professional manner but the message that needs to be heard is that when you do that you may benefit your child but you're hurting a lot of other kids. Um, and how do as a community resit with that? >> I I want to get back to this, but the only other thing I can say about that is I don't know if there's any talk about homeschooling and what we can do to do that, but that's our other
062problem. But I'd like to go to this budget and hear about your um bonds. >> Bonds. >> So, I ran three scenarios for bonds. Um, where are they? >> The additional There you go. You should actually go. >> How do I know which one? >> Um, so the first one is a $2 million bond. >> The second one is a3 million and then I did a 4 million. >> Okay. >> And each bond I ran it um for a couple of uh different scenarios of payback. They're all for 20 years. um the 2 million if you look at the very first um packet it's based on um a fluctuating uh principal payment. So you're paying more of your interest up front. The second one is you're paying more on the print you a set rate
063for the principal every year. Um, and then the interest is what fluctuates. But when you look at the total interest that would be paid, it makes more sense to be paying down on your principal than paying more on the interest. Even though the payments are less, you're paying more interest. >> Mhm. So, compared to a million um compared to 896,000. And you can see those rates at the very top of each page right right here. So I ran those scenarios, two scenarios for each one of the the bonds. When you're looking at this [clears throat] 2 million, I don't I don't know that you're going to get a whole lot outside of just that project up at the at the elementary school. Um but that would be uh and again when you look at the
064dates of these payments it's the dates are not going to be appropriate because we're not going to get a bond through to vote on until November at the earliest which means it would be a spring bond following year not going to be paid until the following year. So, we're looking at 28. >> Mhm. >> For the first payment, but um according to this, it would be the highest that you would be paying is going to be $148,515 is the highest that any payment would be on this >> with principal. >> Principal mean? >> Yes. Fluctuating principal. Um, if you go with the paying the principal at a set rate, um, for this, the most that you're going to be paying, which would be in the second year of this bond, would be 173,000. Now, it's
065for 20 years, but we're going to have to put in 220,000 for 17 years anyway, if you go with the project that you were looking at. That's just the the um elementary school. So, can you if we did a bond, we could include if we do not have enough money for the bus garage, we can do them both together. Correct. >> Correct. So, that's what I would say. Um, we would need to be looking at, okay, what what are the uh the biggest things that need to get done? There may be a portion left of the bus garage that we're going to have to pay. Um what were some of the other uh projects that we were looking at with EMC? Not just the the elementary school, but what were the other projects that we
066said all fields light on? >> Um there was a generator we said to wait field lighting. I know people were like why do we do that? But remember that's for it's supposed to be in what's the word they use perpetu so that the perpetuity. Thank you. So it's available to not just the school but for the whole community. Right. So like >> Yeah. Right. So there's just room number. >> Wasn't it $1 million? I was going to say I I just want to bring us all back to reality here. Like the the total from then I mean it was it was $5 million. So I mean we're like even the highest one here is no nowhere near >> some of that stuff in there might not be things that you want to do. Correct. >>
067So, you'd be still pairing that down. It's It's not like you'd be saying, "Okay, that's what they said. That's what we're going to do." Um, but I mean I also [laughter] I also want to be really clear like I can think of one thing on there that was Yeah, we probably really don't need this. Which was the umh it was part of the HVAC. >> Yes. >> And I don't remember the specifics of it. It was one thing that that they were clearly pushing and we were kind of like, "Yeah, not so much." But honestly, like most of the stuff that was in that project, so let's say it comes down to 4 million was stuff that either needs to be done because it's going to break at some I mean it, you know, maybe
068we can get away with another couple of years or something. It it that 5 million wasn't a bunch of of you know, nice labs. >> All right. Right. So, if we were to do 5 million um at a set rate of the principal of 250,000 um we're going to be looking at a payment the maximum payment um would be due in um the third year which would be $432,938. >> 432,938 years. >> So, now wait a half a million. So the first year we'd just be paying interest which would be 171,000 but then you get into paying for principal plus interest and that's when um it would go to uh yeah 432,000 >> and then it go down >> well it yeah but that's also not accounting for anything that might need to be done
069to offset the uh bus garage not offset you know what I Yep. Make up for Yep. make up for the gap. >> Right. >> So with that 5 million if if we took a I can't remember what the fluff was either, Sabrina. I can't remember. >> It wasn't the air handler. It was >> something else they were recommending and it wasn't >> do we Okay. Maybe it was e more heat pumps like like we wanted some of them but then they wanted to do >> was it removing Was it taking out the dead ones once they turned it off? >> No that big chunk on it. >> It's solar. It's solar. >> Solar. That's what it is. Sorry. >> And we didn't really feel like that was necessary. But I think that was the only
070thing that wasn't pretty >> high up there. So, at say we did the $5 million. >> Yeah. >> Would there be enough if we took off the so solar and maybe one or two other things? Would that when would we know if that would cover our bus garage? >> I I wish I I I wish I had the answer for you tonight. >> I know. >> But they're just not responding. >> Who's that? >> The the insurance company. >> Okay. >> Insurance company. So I can give you those numbers >> when we went through and we had all the options that we had gone through minus the air handlers changing out the air handlers. It was 2.565 millionish. And that was doing everything but the air handlers and the generator >> and the solar, right?
071>> Hang on. That was everything but the air handlers, the generator, and the walk-in coolers and freezers at the elementary school. >> And the solar stuff that they brought up, but the solar stuff was kind of a um budget. >> It It was kind of a um when I look at the the options, it was one of those it was going to net us some extra. So it was hard to differentiate exactly the cost of that. Um but for the the four options of all the stuff that would include VIC fittings, the VRF and the second floor, uh cabinet unit heaters, the windows, the doors, the building envelope, the field lighting, all of that stuff came to about 2.7. Yeah. So, what I'm interested in is I mean I think I think certainly Denise and
072I are in the same place that if we're gonna put a bond out there, I damn well want to make sure we're covering as much as we can so we don't have to do it again. Um, and [clears throat] so I want to I would want to put in the generator and the >> air handlers and the um the bottom line with everything. >> All but the full bangus. >> Just just everything. Just give us everything cuz then Yeah. >> Do you want the list too? >> No, I just want to know what's the bottom line. It included solar and it was 5.46. Okay. >> Can you figure out how much solar cost? How much? >> I want to say the solar alone was the better part of 3/4 of a million at least. >>
073Yes, it was. I'm pretty sure she was right. >> Maybe 4.5. >> Yeah. and figuring that prices are not going down, I think we would be safe to say five. So when we went from the base three of Vic fittings VRF and the generator and you add the solar study and the solar, it went from 1.66 to one uh to 2.5. So 0.9. >> Mhm. >> I know it was up there. >> Yeah. I guess my other question would be if we have decided if we decide as a group to to put it out there with a bond does this 20 10 20,000 come out >> and no you keep that in mind the bond pays for that >> because what if the what if the bond doesn't pass? >> Okay. So, but if the
074bond passes, that covers that money. >> If the bond passes, then you've got your first payment. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> So, now can you explain how the bond process works? >> Yes. So, um, [clears throat] when you're when you're doing this, they issue bonds in the fall and in the spring. And, um, we have to get paperwork financials from both towns and submit that with our project plan. And then we wait to we wait to hear. Um, and we need to go. Uh before that we need to get approval from the public to be able to even go for a bond. >> So the public approval comes first before filing any paperwork with the state. >> Yeah. Yep. >> So does because we need to have that vote. We need to provide them with
075the authorization that we've received. >> So does that go in the November or does that is that done with a special election? You can do it whenever you want, but November um would be your next one to, you know, >> y >> get in on a regular. >> Could we do it this June? >> I would not >> recommend doing a bond question with your budget. >> Thank you. >> Would not recommend it. >> No. >> I mean, you can, but yeah. So, this is going to sound really embarrassing, so I'm not going to look at any of you asked this question. Let's say the town says, "Yes, let's do a bond for $5 million." We pay that bill. How does that break down to them? >> I'm not sure what your question. I don't
076know. >> So, we we get a bond, that money comes from >> main bond bank. >> Okay. But actually, what we would do is we'd have to go out to bid to see who's going to give us the best interest. So then we get a $5 million I want to say loan for lack of better words. And that now becomes an RSU 20 loan. Correct. And we make those yearly payments. >> Correct. >> And the money for those yearly payments will ultimately come from the town the town. >> Correct. >> So how is that different? >> How is that different from this? So, it's different in that um you know, I'm sorry, dumb question, but I just >> It's not It's not a dumb question at all. Not a dumb question at all. >> You
077just put in here versus doing getting a loan with interest. >> Yeah. Well, because you're paying interest on this one, too. The 220, you're paying interest on that because it's a $2 million project that you're doing and you're it's for 17 years at 220,000 a year. That includes principal and interest. when you're doing it with a lease, you don't need to get public approval outside of having it in your budget, >> right? The thing is, um, when you do it by bond, it gets approved once and then it's approved because they can't go back and say, "Oh, yeah, we're not going to pay for the bond anymore." So, that's a separate article that um would would get uh, you know, previously approved bond. This amount is what you're going to be paying for. um each
078year. In your experience, are people more favorable to bonds like this than they are 5% increases in a budget? >> I will tell you that in my 22 years, I've only done one bond and it passed. I still have a question um that's sort of piggybacking off Ruth's original question which was not a stupid question and that is um based on the timeline that you've laid out this doesn't really affect this budget. It's kind of for the future. >> That would Well, correct. >> Yeah. It doesn't affect this budget. >> No, but what would what would impact this budget is we would be moving out of that lease. That money would be put into maintenance. And I would suggest maybe putting it into um Oh. Oh. Yeah. contracted service because if something [laughter] if something
079breaks between now and the time that we get working on the bond and we get the approval for the bond, we're going to need money to pay for it. >> Okay. >> Um the other um where where we're going to be having savings along the along those 20 years is in our contracted service. We're not going to have to worry about doing, you know, roofs if we want to get all of that in there. We're not going to have to worry about our HVAC, you know. Um, so while you're you're taking on, you know, a $300,000 payment, you're also not needing that money in the budget just in case something happens because you're going to have to fix it. >> Contracted service. I would put it in contingency but contract and service um because you
080know our our buildings need to be maintained. >> I I think there's also a a perception issue and I I will be perfectly candid that I'm not really sure which is the better way to swim this in this environment and with this particular set of towns. However, if we went for a bond, it's perhaps easier to explain. You know, you can have nice pictures, you can have EMC come and do a presentation for the town. You can do it like you can make it very clear that this is not about, you know, we've got too many teachers in the classroom or the kids are getting, you know, the expensive pencils or whatever it is. It is literally about the facilities that we if the bus garage is in there. Hey, [laughter] you saw the pictures
081of the fire. Guess what? We got to fix that. And like there's a there's a framing that can be done differently that some people will respond better to. Again, I think the jury's out on which of those people are going to be voting here, but it does make it clearer and cleaner to separate out those capital projects. And then I mean in an ideal world at some point to be able to say, you know, then that's allowed us to cut down on leases and in fact the interest payments are better on the bond than they are on the lease. Like I mean there's stuff you can say that makes it that's not untrue that makes it a more palatable option. >> Yeah. Agreed. >> Agreed. And and if if we put the generators in, which
082we have one now, but if we put it in the elementary school, that also is is um was still supposed to be a a part of the town emergency thing that it also affects that. Um we have two buildings for the town should they be a town emergency. >> Yeah. >> Um that's part of >> that's part of our our plan is is that it's a >> the way you frame it. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, what's your pleasure? >> So, the one thing that's holding me back on on all of this is what you just brought up, Chandra, about keeping the $220,000 and putting it in contractor like >> I think it is going to be tough to sell. we've made this recommendation for a budget increase and by the way we're going to come
083to you in November because it it's going to be clear that that line which is a big line and some people are going to notice it >> is for a lease that is now no longer >> well so here's the thing going to be if you decide that that's the way you want to go I'm going to remove that and I'm going to put that money in contracted services um we could even get by with going with option four and just putting in 110,000 in contracted services. But that's saying to me that you want to do a bond and um we don't need a lease if we're going to do a bond. >> Yeah. So, I would be removing that because it's it's it's not a true budget. >> And it sounds to me like
084that is your recommendation. I honestly Laura was asking me about this and I have no preference. I have no preference. I can do whatever you as a board want to do. When I look at these budgets, I'm giving you the information of things that have been asked of us, things that um that we're seeing and our enrollment versus our staffing. That's what I'm giving you. Once you tell me what you want, that's what I'm going to work with and that's what I'm going to do. >> Um, so at this point, this is not my budget. This is yours. >> Understood. Understood. But we want to make an educated decision. And as an educated decision, I would say that we need to look at the total facility. And this is our opportunity to go out for
085a bond to get everything in one payment. We could, if you don't want 20 years, we could do it in less, but your payment's going to be more. >> Mhm. >> So, the normal, I shouldn't say normal. What's been consistent for what I have um been a part of, it's been a 20-year bond, >> a mortgage. >> It's like a mortgage. It it 100%, Ruth. Exactly. >> I don't I don't want to take that lease out until we apply for that bond. >> I would say that um that's that's my whole thing cuz we might not get the bond. I know what you're saying, but just bear with me while I put on my towns person hat here. I show up in May and there's a $220,000 lease payment that is substantially increasing my assessment
086and I suck it up and I vote yes on that. And then I show up to the polls in November and lo and behold there's a bond issue for five and I'm like you got to be KIDDING ME. BUT WHY IS IT OUT OF TIER? NO. If it's in, it's in. You can't take it out. It goes to >> So I would if if we think that we are going forward with a bond, I understand that this isn't not ideal. There's nothing ideal about this situation, right? We pull out the 220 for now or at least 110 of it. I'm not 100% sure I agree with with your strategy, but I'm willing to to live with it for a minute. I would vote we pull out the $220,000. If the bond fails, we put it
087back in. You do you may go back at it again next year, >> right? But you think that we can >> But you're going to have a bigger increase by doing that next year because you're going to have salaries that are increased and I get it. I mean, it's all a risk. It's just that's it. I just don't >> I don't think you can go to the to these two towns that, you know, took us through the ringer three times last year and say we want this increase for a facilities lease and then come back in no like explaining what is going on with that is just not the kind of nuance thing like look how long it's taking us to figure it out and you [clears throat] know what are you going to pay
088for it? How are you going to pay for it later? Because the bottom line is the schools are old and if we don't have that money and something goes to heck like the air handlers all I mean the likelihood of all three going at once to none but knowing us one goes next week you know they all go we're in trouble cuz then we got to figure out where to put the kids we can't do that we can't have them there's state law about temperature and blah blah blah blah blah and these are on taking time he's made that that part pretty clear so I hear what you're saying about not about wanting to take it out. But the other really hard conversation to have is that like I think last year I was very
089vocal. We cannot go to the town with over 4%. They're going to say no. And lo and behold, they said no. If we take it out and the bond doesn't pass, this number is going to be eight or nine because it's going to have to come back. So now we're now going to be in a an emergency situation trying to move teachers and kiddos and all these things around and emergency services coming in and who knows to the tune of what, right? Cuz calling the you know the furnace guy on a Sunday is a lot more expensive than scheduling it months in ahead. So this is going to have to happen in this district. It's do we want to be prepared or do we want to be caught off guard? That's that's the part that
090cuz you're right. I'm single going you're going to ask me for this increase and then 4 months later you're going to ask me for a whole big increase. Um that's a lot. I I accept and understand all that. I would just just to make sure we're talking about apples and apples. The scenario you're playing out has nothing to do with this $220,000 cuz the air handlers aren't even in what we're contemplating. the thing that you are worried about and I think legitimately so is not even part of what we are considering like the the bond issue would deal with all of the stuff you're talking about the fact that we're living on borrowed time and all of that sort of thing. what we've actually put in this budget is neither correct I mean to be
091honest what we've put in this budget is much more anything that we need to hire out >> but it's not because if something happens between now and then that's the where that money comes >> I think Sabrina the way that I would um phrase this uh in in public would be to say that we had originally looked at a lease agreement but it only covered one section of what needs to get on. >> So, so we have removed the lease payment and put some additional money in contracted services because something could happen between now and the point that we ask you to approve a bond. >> And um and of course we'd have to have a public meeting about the bond itself. Anyway, um I think that the other thing about this is we will
092also stress that we would be doing multiple things at all locations including the field >> of which we will get money back through efficiency main for the lighting >> um and the grant. Did anybody hear have you ever have you heard from Jeff if they got if how it went with him? >> I'm meeting with them on Thursday. >> Okay. She I'm sorry to interrupt but I just had a member message me that said can you [clears throat] guys move the mic somewhere cuz it sounds like you're yelling at everybody all of us the mics are loud maybe might I all sorry you said it to me I guess he's talking about me stop yelling [laughter] we would leave shift like Shandra's suggesting the 220 to 400 Yeah, contracted services if you want to keep
093it all in. But we could still look at one of these options, a different option if you felt the need uh to cut 100,000 to get that percentage down. So you could look at the truck. We could include the steamer that puts it up to 90,000. Well, no, because that's a different that's a different article. That's a different budget. The food service is their own self-supporting budget. So it doesn't >> so it doesn't it won't make a difference. Okay. But you could pick we could go with the truck and so one of the other options that Shandra had shared with us. So even you know that's a little bit more the truck and the scan the vision scanner which I already did that one. Um, so when we did the truck and we did 110,000,
094half of the um half of that lease. >> Oh my gosh. I mean, honestly, this is this is really good. So, it um once again, you have a savings of um 5% for Sears Sport, but it brings Stockton's down to less than 3%. It's 2.6. six. If we take half of the lease If we take out half of the lease, 110,000 and the truck, can that I'm sorry, going to >> Could you add the truck in under the bond coverage so that you can get it? >> I don't think that you can buy it. I >> I don't I don't think so because that truck doesn't have a 20 year >> um expectation of survival. Okay. So yeah, I don't think that I don't think that you can. >> So that would be something we
095would put in for next year. >> Could be put in for the next year. >> We just have to make do. >> Yeah. Um so that would uh bring the budget down to 12.415 12,415, $31.36. I'm sorry. 12,415, $31.36. Well, that would be my goal right there. >> And the total increase, >> the total increase to assessments is.79. >> Can you give us a dollar figure? >> Uh $54,979.98. And what was the town? >> Way less >> towns. Um, sorry. >> No, it's fine. Um, there would be a savings of.5% to Sears Sport and I just want to stress that that.5% savings for Searsport that's coming because their percentage based on the state's valuation dropped. Correct. >> That's where their savings is. That's right. It's not us, >> right? Um, Stockton's would be um 2.6.
0966% increase. >> 2.6. >> Well, those do seem very palatable. >> Okay. >> Much more palatable. >> And we're going to have a savings in um in food service because of that 25,000 that we're >> So, can we can we ask you Yes, you can. Or I'm asking and I'm just going to go on a limb that maybe my colleagues would agree or ask for that. Could you do a page that says option five that has that just so that when we're looking at this as a group it's >> well I'm going to vote to go with that one for the simple reason 2.5 is is a lot better >> and the truck maybe we can do something different with that but the 110 do we leave it in here or is it going to
097get moved to to contracted service >> it's going to get moved to contracted services >> okay I I think Okay, I'll speak for myself. I was really hoping not to have to come back on Wednesday. So, I think the goal [laughter] was to try to come to some agreement tonight actually be put on the agenda tomorrow so that we can we got half an hour to figure this out. Um, so yeah, >> that's my vote. I don't know what you guys think. >> That makes the most sense of what we've seen. I just wanted the five so that we could have it so that when we do their town meeting then and I have like I can I can remember all these things. To me, I think that makes the most sense. Yeah. >> Um
098being aware of the fact that people are financially struggling and we may be asking. So, we're going to be looking at option five with uh looking for a bond of five. Yes. Is that >> And I would like to if we all agree on the fifth one with the.5 and the 2.6, 6 if we agreed I'd like it to come to the board meeting tomorrow night and we actually vote to go forward with it >> and if it doesn't pass what are our options >> if it doesn't pass >> the the vote [clears throat] in the jud um we do what we did last year >> but where do we go after that is 110 I mean I don't I move that 110 That's not great, but you know, you could move. You could still
099And you would also still have the >> the vision thing. I know that's not very much, >> right? So, you do have a few more, but I mean, it's kind of if you take that 110 out, I mean, you are like it's hurting maintenance. It's hurting maintenance. And so, the next year we're going to just be doubling up because there's going to be so much more that needs to get done. I know that's my huge trying to keep things I mean I I hear you and I realize that I feel like this at work every day this semester too. Like I realize that this is not going to be my call anymore. Although my kid will still be here. Um, but I think if things really go south this round, >> you want to be
100out in front of the reductions in force and and have that like don't assume that it's either going to be an 8% increase or that we're going to continue to build up our deferred maintenance. Just bite the bullet and figure out what you're going to do with physicians. I I don't Yeah, I'm not saying that lightly. I don't like to say it. Um, but that's that would be the prudent thing to do. The other thing um and I don't know if you can speak to I don't know who can speak to this but my understanding is that when we don't pass a budget and we have to have spe special voting that that comes with a significant cost. >> Sure. >> And who So if you could um briefly speak to the fact of what
101that entails, what that costs and who's responsible. I think that's also important to articulate to the public. >> Yeah, >> absolutely. >> Julie, are you on board with what that >> Josh >> Sabrina, are you on board with? >> Chris Brager, are you good with that? >> Yeah. >> And I hope so. >> I think that this has the best chance of passing. Yeah, I don't think what we started with would have I think we would have been right back where we were last year. Even though I I'm what I understand the rationale for it, I don't think the town's people would. >> I know. I'm just concerned that we are on borrowed time with a lot of this stuff. >> Yeah. >> And um >> want to preach. >> Oh, thank you. when we
102come back next year won't be a matter of fixing it will be a matter of replacing when it comes to certain things and that thank you is going to be a shock right so it's a very precarious position and I don't think any of us are thank you so don't take this lightly I just hope that the public understands yeah we just have a lot of leg work to do to help the understanding part that Ruth is talking out and then keep our fingers crossed and hold our breath that it passes. So, but yes, this is far more powerful. So, if I'm reading this right on this fifth one for tomorrow night, it'd be an increase of 74,000 for the town for Stockton. Is that correct? in >> and uh CS sport would be a
103neg but again that has nothing that that's different than that's not the that's outside of what our control is. Correct. >> So when we when we get to the board meeting tomorrow night um I think we can make sure that's added. I can't remember if it's on there already, but I'd like to make a motion to move forward with this one to present to the towns if we're all in agreement. >> Can we also putting forwards for going to a bond as well or is that all part of it? >> It's not all part of it. That's a separate and I don't know if we're ready for that right yet because >> I would like to know the insurance >> outcome before because I don't think we know the number of our bond yet. >>
104Exactly. >> And as you said, if we're going to do it, let's just get it done. So, as soon as we can get some final answers um and then go cuz we'll have until >> we'll have and here's the other thing about that. Um by waiting I hope I'm not yelling trying to back up. um once we get the exact amount of what we're going to get from the insurance company, we'll know the difference of what we need for the bond, you know, if we need anything extra to go towards that or if it's strictly going to be for the facilities. >> Um and we also will be able to at that point start moving forward to get some kind of a plan going for our garage so that we can go out to bed.
105I mean, there's so much this insurance is holding us up >> from moving forward and we've got a lot to do so that we can get a bus garage at least by next spring. Um, if not by this fall, which I don't think that's ever that's not going to happen, but um, you know what I mean? It's like we we need that information so that we can figure out, okay, what's this going to do to our budget? If anything, I think it's gone over. What is that going to, you know, what is that impact going to be? The only thing we do know for sure is we have an aging facility that needs to be maintained. >> And not only that, when we did lose our accreditation before, which that's public knowledge everybody, it was
106because of the >> facility maintenance. So, I think that that's what we lead with >> in in just stressing that. And I have to tell you, I don't know. I mean, maybe a lot of people know that. Um, I don't think they do. >> I didn't I don't think they know that. >> So, um, it it was people want you to think it was because of our academics. It was not. It was due to the building plan. >> All right. So, I'll have more of these available tomorrow night. Um, I will do the assessment just based on this for tomorrow so that you can follow that and that can go into the record. >> Does that sound good or can I stand on the understanding is 12,415 thou 415,31.36 correct? That's the Yes. The assessments
107will change a little bit because of food service. We're going to adjust that >> in the kind of I don't know what 6 fourth fifth colum where it says local SAD56. Is that just a typo? >> It's because we were I mean I'm sure it's a Yeah, cuz it's a template. >> Yeah. >> So I would just fix that. She said six columns where it is near near where it says local and state. There's so many. >> Oh yeah. Okay. So that was that was um in regards to debt service. That was just 56 of debt service not 20s. Um so that's why that was on there. We have no debt service. Oh, absolutely. I will include that. Oh, really? It's not even MSAD. Yeah. Thank you, Sabrina. Did anybody So, I heard Jes make
108a motion. Is that second or is that just Okay. Thank you. All in favor. So, we are not meeting Wednesday night, guys. Take the night off. Um Anything else you'd like to add? >> Could you also for tomorrow night, I don't think this will be hard, but just update this with the new the cover sheet with the new summary just partly so that we have it later for our reference. >> Yes. Yep. I will do it based on our viewers. Um yes, Monday night we'll be Tuesday night we'll be meeting with um Stockton. Correct. >> Board meeting next week. >> Next week the 17th will be >> CS and then the 23rd. >> But tomorrow's board meeting. >> Yes, tomorrow's board meeting >> St. Patty's Day. >> Yeah, that's what about our cabbage Sunday. Okay.
109So, the budget meetings uh motion to adjurnn. Second. All those in favor. >> Okay. Thank you, ladies. Thank you. Real quick.