001I knew it. Good thing I grabbed two. Okay. Um, none. FY27 budget review. >> Well, welcome everyone. Thank >> Thank you all for being here. Um, you as shared I think in Shandra's letter to open up your as opening of your budget books. Um we've worked really hard with administration and directors um really to become familiar with the budget process in this district as well as past budgets um and building our capacity and understanding how things are done and we tried to create something is I shouldn't say we Shander has worked really hard to create something that's very organized and um we invite you obviously to ask questions and um and I think that uh directors and administrators are here if you do have questions that Sharon and I can't answer. Um, we are changing
002it up a little bit different than last year and I think it's based on our conversations that in the past I think you've had principles and directors kind of coming up here and presenting their budget and instead Shander and I will be presenting those to you instead. So tag Shander you're it. So in your budget books um I thought the first thing that we could do is just to kind of go over exactly what's in here. Um and then we can determine if um you want to go through the budget process reviewing it uh by cost center or if you want to go by um location. I've given you both of them. But to start off um obviously you've got the letter and I also put a school calendar in because you guys worked hard
003on the school calendar. Um the next section section is the ED279. I did give you the 20 uh FY 26 and 27 so that you would have the comparison um to look at and that's where you're going to see that we're down $164,000. Um, I also gave us the revenue spreadsheet that um I used the ED279 to create which gives us the percentages for um the town breakout and and how it's going to play out um at this point. And then the last one within that section is what the assessments would be to the two towns if we were to move forward with the budget that we have. I have all of this set in here so that anytime that we want to make any changes, I can do it automatically and I can give
004you new figures right off the bat. Um, so the next session section my gosh session absolutely go further. >> Yeah. In regard to the ED279, is that going to change at all in the coming year? I've seen some things in the MSMA potentially. >> Potentially. Um, we did some corrections and we sent them in last week and we're just waiting for them to say yay or nay. >> Okay. So that's specific to us as a district, but overall are they looking at making changes to >> not for this year, but yes, we're going we're going Thursday on Thursday. >> Next year potentially next year. There's some new um legislation that's out there that could change. >> That's what I'm Yes. >> Thank you. >> And we'll bring back more information hope actually for the board
005meeting next Tuesday. We'll be able to talk. >> We should. Yeah. >> Okay. Y Thank you. >> Yep. So, the next session is the revenue. Um, just how I've broken it out. And when you look at this, look at the fund balance. I put in a 1.5 to get the percentages down of the assessment. Um, we do have the 1.5 available to us. Your choice though. If you want to change that, again, I can tell you how it will impact immediately um the the assessments. I would say >> 1.5 for the audience is 1,500,000. So, what are we actually sitting? What else could we draw from? >> Um, well, you can draw from your um I think you've got three reserve accounts. Yeah, you could draw from them. >> I would say that if you
006want to do that, then that'll be a discussion we can have and we can base it on the budget itself, right? >> Um because you've got those specific areas. So, we could pull from and and just attach it to those >> um expenses. But we'll we can talk about that and um >> when we get there. Yeah. So the next session uh session I'm sorry is the cost center. Um and I also put in a summary um like I do for the finance. I put in a summary so that you could just kind of see it at a glance um where the changes um are. And then I've got um the budget by location summary as well. And then the budget's broken out by all of the individual sections. When you get to the maintenance,
007this is a little different because what I did was I pulled the maintenance out of all of the individual locations and put it into one report because that's how it's looked at. Um it's all one even though it's broken out by location. It's all one. Um >> and I like how you actually put right here you put formally split between custodial and maintenance. I tried to put in notes so that you would understand um exactly what we were doing. If you want more notes, just let me know. Um I intend on having this the the cost center run with all of the notes available for our when we have our public budget meeting so that people will be able to know. Um not that I don't want them to ask questions, but I want them
008to be able to look at this and say, "Oh, yeah. I remember I remember them talking about that." So I think that that will help us in the long run when we're um presenting this to the public. Uh so I also gave you the staffing list which remember that's this is as of now. So that'll be changing because of some of the recommendations that we're um going to be talking to you about. I gave you a breakdown of the salary and benefits so you could see exactly what we're paying out. Um I don't know who has the contracts and who doesn't. So, I put in the two um contracts that we have, our lease agreements. Um you guys need to know what's going on with those. So, I put a copy of those in there
009as well as the enrollment um and we'll give you the figure so that you can write in and update that um every month. And then the last one is just requests so that if uh we're making any changes, any other reports, we can put them right in there so that we'll know that um when they were requested and what was asked for and so that you all have the same thing. So I would say what would you how would you like to um >> hit this >> hit it? So, um I know that I had come in I had said roughly we were going to need 12.6 million. Um and it came in came in at 12,590,000. Um I'd said 5.6% increase. It came in at 4.5, excuse me, 4.6. It came in at 4.5.
010Um so it was pretty close, >> pretty close to what we were kind of anticipating. So, as of right now, the if I'm reading this right, the um Stockton would be up 147,000 >> and Sport would be up um 82,000, correct? >> Yes. >> Yep. >> And that's if we leave this >> just as Yeah. And Stockton's went up because their assessment evaluation from the state increased. Mhm. >> So, your sports went down because Stockton's went up. >> Um, those are that's just something we have no control over. It's going to go up and down there. >> What's being required is out of our hands >> and that will be something that I think is important to express at our budget meetings. >> Correct. Yep. >> That we have no control over >> That portion
011of it. >> Yep. The mill rate did go down from 6.1 to um 5 4. Think I put it in here. >> I saw it in here somewhere. >> Yeah, I did too. >> It was on your Yeah. 5.64. 645 from 6.1. So the only thing that that does is it puts more back on to the additional local. >> Mhm. >> You know, so it's taking it from what they're required to the additional requested are required. The additional required. >> Um when do you think that they'll give you an answer on the ED279? >> I I highly doubt that it will be before we settle this budget. Because what's going to happen is they're going to wait and get everybody's requests in and they're going to see what they have left over for money and
012then they're going to allocate accordingly. >> They do that quite often. >> Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Um the meeting with Stockton is what? On the 23rd, >> correct? >> And Cort did we hear back again? This March 23rd, right? >> 17th. Stockton. >> We Stockton is the 23rd in Searsport is I thought I had Oh, the 17th. >> March 17th. It is Tuesday the 17th at 6:00 and Stockton is Monday the 23rd at 6:00. >> Monday. Okay. And Tuesday? >> Yeah. >> 6:00. Both of them. >> Yes. >> I can be at the stop line. I can't be at >> No, that's okay. >> It's a Tuesday. Do we know have you got a rough draft yet about the um tech center budget? >> I do not. >> They was that >> I have one. I
013don't have it with me, but yeah. So they are estimating pretty close to 16,000. So you were not far off. I wasn't far off but I you know they did not share that with >> 16,000 total increase >> or to the us for our assessment just >> mine's on good >> um I think just us would be um our payment would be 16,000 >> and I thought it was only how much last year. >> It was $14,23 last year. I had put in the budget 15,000 this year because I hadn't heard anything from Joya. >> So that's additional. >> So that's Yeah. >> On top of these budget numbers. >> Correct. Cuz I only put in Yeah. 15,000. >> Oh, okay. >> But it's only like00,000 more. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I was picturing the
014whole thing in my mind. It's just that >> I was too. So that's >> No, I I did put in a placeholder >> for the um the 4 12% increase the 542,000 and change. Do you have a sense of roughly how much of that is mandated by um contractual obligations or health? You know, the things that we have no control over. >> So that's that was that salary and benefits that I put in there. >> That section that's the non-negotiables. So >> that's what I was. >> Yeah. So, and actually because of some of the and it's not really cuts, it's revisions that um we've come up with based on enrollment and needs that and the the meetings that we had with the administrators. Um it's a $9,129 increase. So, that's not bad. Um, the
015good thing about the way the insurance, and I'm not a fan of the way the insurance is broken out on the contracts, but the good thing it for budgeting is that it's not by percentage. So, we don't have to wait to find out what the increase is going to be. Um, so we're, you know, able to put in a a very good estimate of that except that in May is open enrollment. So, people can change, um, you know, they can add, they can drop. Um but and we we hadn't um received any notification of retirements this year and we don't have I haven't received anything in regards to anybody um leaving employment. So I think that our base of staffing is going to be pretty much the same. So then um but hey that's great
016that we were able to keep that um increase so low on the other hand. Uh that's sort of the easiest increase to explain to our y constituents. Um so can you then give us a kind of high level of what are the big things that are making up that? So 160 uh,000 is for the new um esco lease possibly. >> That's for the sorry for this the elementary school go forward with >> if you go forward with that it's 160,000 I think I put in there. Um there's a new truck in there and a bus. So when you add that all up, it's 160,000 for the lease, 65,000 for the truck, and 150,000 for a bus. There's your half of your increase right there. The other thing um that you'll notice as you're going through,
017you're going to see a lot of um budget lines that are showing zero. And I try to make note that it's because they've been moved to an appropriate line. Um, when you look at the last three digits of every general ledger number, that's supposed to be for a project. And when you have a 900, that means districtwide. So, I was seeing a lot of 900 districtwide and then a 001 with it saying districtwide. So, I changed it. I moved them in um for food service. They were being broken out for breakfast and lunch, which is great for breakfast and lunch. Doesn't have to be, but it's good. Um but we don't need it broken out by every location because we don't report it that way. We don't receive reimbursement that way. So, I've cut down
018on those codes as well. Um and there was there was a few others that I just moved around. I think some might have been in sped. Um, but again, hoping that it makes it easier for everybody to understand and not have so many numbers that you have to go through that um, it's just not needed. It's not needed. >> So, Jun, can we start with the ED279 and just talk about the difference from what we received last year to this year so that they understand and kind of work through? I think Yep. I think there's a lot of things that are really different and I'm not sure how much they had a walk through at all in the past of the budget and so we can do this now Laura or I have a whole
019presentation that I didn't put in here that's just explains the ED279. So I don't know if you want to do that now or do you want me to wait and get that information to you so that we can go through it all together. Um your choice. we we can do whatever whatever you want. >> I mean, I think having the presentation in front of us could be helpful. Um, I actually just had a clarifying question before we even go here. >> So, in the section that's labeled budget summary that has the one pager. Yeah. With all the locations. So this says the percent increases 3.41. >> Mhm. >> But the narrative has it as 4.5. So this 3.41 is just straight up budget. When you're looking at the other, it's the overall percentage with assessments.
020>> Oh, I see. Okay. >> Yeah. So the 4.5 comes because we are the towns are being asked to contribute more than >> Yeah, that has right that has the required um >> I think it'll be really important to articulate that a little bit more clearly for folks because 3.4 for like when people want to understand, you know, how much more are you actually spending? Like it sounds a lot better to say we've only gone up by 3.41 in terms of our overall expenditures and then deal with >> the fact that but that has an outsiz implication because of these other changes. >> Yeah. Were you planning to do the presentation on like Wednesday or something or when when was that? I can I can do it whenever you whenever you want. If you want
021it on Wednesday, I can have it ready for Wednesday. >> I think we should do it Wednesday. >> Wednesday? >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Please. Okay. Is are they going to have an answer on the local part of it of the budget, the local share? Will that be ever be a We got zeros here now, but they haven't signed a con. I I know they haven't signed. >> I'm not sure what you're >> Usually it's in here, too. The local um if I had my glasses on, I might have to run and get them. Um so what you're looking at that you see the zeros, yeah, that's debt. We don't have any debt. But do we have a Usually we know the local share as well when we're doing our budget. Will we know that?
022>> Well, you have the the local shares are what's right there, Dennis? >> Nice. I didn't see them. Okay. >> Yeah. But you see zeros by debt service. >> Local debt because we have no no debt. So there's that's going to be zeros. I left it in there just for consistency purposes. Um but your required local is in there. And >> is this locked? I didn't know cuz I didn't know. >> Required local is locked in. >> Okay. cuz I last time I knew they hadn't signed so I didn't know if it was >> No, that's locked in. >> So, it is now. Okay. That's what I >> Yeah. Yeah. The required local is it's the additional local that >> I didn't know if they they hadn't signed last time I knew. So, I didn't
023know if it was locked in. >> Yes. >> So, the only thing would change that is if they decided to change the mill rate. >> Okay. From the only time Okay. So, do you want to go >> Wait, wouldn't it also change if they did change the 279? >> It the the additional local >> additional but not required. >> Correct. Really, the only thing that we can change or affect with changes to the budget is that additional local. Correct. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yep. Mhm. And you can change that one of two ways. You can change it by increasing your carry forward that you put put into the budget, which will decrease the assessments or the additional money that's that's requested. Or you can um cut your expenses. Those are the two ways
024to to address um the additional local. >> So you're talking about uh on top of the 1.5 that you've already >> change it. You can either increase it or decrease it. Um, >> yeah, >> however you want. Yeah. >> Or a combination of both things. >> Or a combination of both. It's that's it's your choice. It's your choice. I will point out that um in the revenue the interest I put in at $84,000 that we will receive $84,000 in interest because um when Laura and I met with the bank in the end of September >> I know you changing the rate. >> Yeah, we got an increase um in our our rate from 1.2 to 2.5% on our interest. So that's going to bring in a considerable amount more money for us. We are going
025to go out um with an RFP for banks though in May. My understanding that it's never been done here and I I think that we need to do that. It's not to say that Bangor savings won't come in at the best or um rates and and services, but I I think we need to see what's out there and then you can decide who we go with. But we'll give that have that opportunity. But I just think, you know, if they can come up with a 2.5, we should be able to do a little better. >> I think we can do better. >> What did you say it was originally? >> 1.2. too. >> Yeah. So that's >> And they never went out to bid. They just accepted it. >> Yeah. So when um when 71
026and 20 divorced um Bangor Savings um stayed with 20 and they did not go go out to bid on that. They did not. I know cuz I didn't do it. So, do you want to um start going through the cost center and start with cost center one? Would that be the best way? >> Yep. >> Okay. So, cost center one is just your um regular instruction. So, that's got your regular teachers um any support staff that would be covered uh edte that are just regular local. And I believe we've got two um we've got the alt edtech and then um we have the kindergarten ed tech. So those will be in here. Um I've put in the number of classroom teachers that we have and you can see here that these are the areas that
027uh Laura had talked extensively about based on enrollment and and also we had four SP positions that we have not filled this year and it's not to say that it's going great. Sorry, Matt. I know you're you're filling in, but it it's going. And so, with some other changes um in discussion with him and Laura looking at the enrollment, um there's some some changes that we're going to be making with that as well as with our social workers and guidance. So, speak to those now or just Yeah, why don't you? So Matt had originally put in the budget last year um and it had been part of I think prior that would had been the structure a K2 special ed teacher as well as a 35 special ed teacher and we're looking at just the
028members at the elementary school and next year we'll go with just one special ed teacher K5 >> which says that resource teacher >> resource Thank you. Thank you. as far as we'll still have day treatment program um special ed teachers for life skills and for behavior but for resource classroom pushing into and pulling out students and um we'll go with one K5 teacher. Um we also looked um Josh and David and Bill and I have been talking about um guidance services. I've been very concerned that the elementary hasn't had a guidance teacher. Um, and I'm not even sure how long it's been since at 3 years Josh is suggesting and there's a pretty rigorous guidance curriculum that we should be using on top of that with um joining the Shaw challenge and it talks about
029mental well-being conversation and we're going to shift um the guidance counselor school counselor that we hired for middle school last year to cover K. Are we thinking we're not sure six or K7? >> We're still in conversations about how the two positions are going to divide up the the grades >> and then the high school will come down some instead of just being 912. It could be 812 or it could be 712. We're not quite sure, but we won't fill that position that was in the budget this last year for elementary instead. I think that with our overall district population that we can go with two of lots of things. Currently because of ESSER or not ESSA but ESSER monies during COVID there was funding to provide social workers in the district and they were
030very helpful and continue to be important. We recognized that again with the SHA challenge um on board that there's lots of additional support as well as school counselors that we can use. But instead of doing three again, we'll shift to two regular red social workers. Um, again, whether it's K6, K7, we're we're still trying to figure that all out. And then so one for the elementary, middle, one for the middle, high school, and the third uh social worker that we have right now will shift what Matt doesn't have right now is a specialed social worker. So, one of those positions will shift into special education. So, we're just looking big picture at the district and those have been the conversations. And I have to say again, administration has been very flexible and willing to look
031at things a little bit differently to cover the needs of all the students without increasing the budget. So, that's again when Shandanda talks about, you know, we haven't added, we've shifted positions, but we haven't added positions. So well on my finger up um the one thing that we are recommending again is that we hire a gifted and talented teacher that I think that there's a need in this district. I talked to teachers and administrators and we feel like there are students that can benefit from that position. It would be a K12 position um and what that could look like. And again, when we get to the end of our process, and if you say there are things that need to be cut, that's something that Shandra and I will go back to the administrative team
032and based on our conversations, prioritize what we think will be cut. But right now, I have it in in the budget because I do think it's important. And again, when you look at the salaries and benefits, we only had that less than $10,000 increase savings from combining those positions, allowing us to get that GT in the budget because that was one of the first things that I was surprised that we didn't have that. Um, and I also heard from everybody here that it was really important. So, we wanted to get that in there. Can you um just at a high level explain how that kind of position functions across K through 12? >> GT can look differently from one district to another. I can only share with you my experience and what I've had. So
033when we were 20 originally here, we had a couple different GT teachers that some of them focused um at the elementary grades 3 through 5. So grades K 1 and two were more about supporting teachers and providing enrichment. And so that was their part of their job was to work with teachers and say, "Julie's in this class and she's reading or doing something at an above grade level. What are some things that the gifted talent teacher can consult with a classroom teacher to support giving enrichment by grades 3, four, and five? there's some referral process and some academic um assessments that that happen and then based on that students qualify or don't qualify for additional enrichment services. Um, in my experience, some of them have been pushin. So, the GT teacher can push into classrooms
034and support um, not just identify teacher students, but lots of but specifically if Chris is in that class. Yes. But if there are other kiddos that are on the cusp but not quite identified, but allowing for additional enrichment um, activity, not just activities, but curriculum and programming within the classroom. There can also be things like um again in and I'll go with 71 we had those same teachers doing lots of additional groups and they were like clubs so there you know and the kids would come up with the ideas and every year it changed a little bit so there could have been an ocean club and the kids really wanted to learn about and other kids were invited as well. It wasn't just closed to only those identified. If they were an enrichment club and
035I'll say one day a week during their recess if kids choose and they want to come in and learn about the ocean there was lots of if they wanted to learn about pollution there was another club I remember about birds so it changed all of the time so that was at the elementary level at the middle school level there was pull out u programming at the middle and high school you sometimes saw well less at the high school but the middle some pull out with more rigorous projectbased programming There was also a school um newsletter that was written by the kids in this program. And again, anybody could be involved. It wasn't a only if you qualify. It was the teachers were there to support certain students that were identified, but any everybody was invited
036if they were they were willing to put in the extra and it's extra. It's additional work. Um, at the high school level, it was more counseling, um, and supporting with enrolling, dual enrollment, AP classes, other opportunities outside of school. Um, getting kids involved in that, um, could be academic or co-curricular or something like that. But that's what I see. I think with our population here, it'll be very busy and rigorous, I think. But I think there's a lot of ideas that those those teachers with their background come in and say, "Oh, these are some things that we could do for kiddos at the high school that I'm not even thinking of." So, um, that helps. >> So, I think another thing to remember about on the gifted and talented is that we're reimbursed 103.5% in
037our subsidy for >> the following year, right? >> It would Yeah. be the following year. um but it's it's paid for >> and then some. So having that program um it's not only great for students and and staff, but you know, it doesn't hurt the subsidy either. So >> So speaking of that, the reimbursement, >> we had talked about um purchasing the buses versus leasing them because we got the money back the following year. >> Correct. So, I mean, so I think that's in here. An additional um which we normally wouldn't have because they keep saying lease, but I'm going to run and get my glasses cuz >> Okay. Additionally, I'll just share in gifted and talented there's other things that um can occur. Um the gifted teachers can be providing um I'm trying to
038think of well they call it robotics here but vex different things like that uh chess club was a big one um generally support um was provided in in mathematics and literacy and literature things like that not but we also had expanded to visual and performing arts um and um as as well as just, you know, art. And so there were lots of different identifications and lots of different things depending on who you hire and what their expertise is that can support kiddos. And it's all it's not based on what you get for reimbursement um in the subsidy. It's based on what you spend, not what's in your budget. So just clarification. >> So do you want to keep going? Yeah, I think that we should uh yeah, start with the um the cost centers or
039continue going, right? Um so when you're when you're looking at this, again, this is everything that's in a classroom outside of special ed. >> What tab do you want to share? >> Um I'm on the it's the cost center, the very first section. So, it's article one. And so, when we're looking at that, we do have um $290,000 increase in there. Um but it's spread out. So, uh we've got um some training that we want uh in there. Um, how we've done it in the past is all of our professional de development has been put into one category instead of breaking it out by location um or by school because the elementary school might put in this huge amount and not use it and the high school might put in a small amount and overspend.
040If we had everything into one category of one line under staff training formerly called curriculum and uh improvement of instruction um that what they give us for a budget or request it's an estimate and if we had it just set aside and it's available for whoever whoever needs to use it. I didn't make that change here. Um, I don't know how important it is for you guys all, but it's just easier to keep track of. Um, so we can talk about that for next year though if you if you decide that you want to do it. And I did not discuss it with the administrators at all either, did we? We didn't say anything about that. Yeah. Um so I've got in my notes the breakdown um of you know the the number of teachers.
041Um one big expense at the elementary level for field trips and this is on page three right at the top of the um page to the fourth line down. It's membership and dues and that's also our field trip line and uh Camp Kiev for the um fifth graders >> who goes to middle school eighth graders go to okay um we've got that in the budget. Uh we've asked if possibly some fundraising could be done for it or um but it's important that they go. >> They've always done it. Go ahead. Can I just provide content? What do you want me to get a microphone? I think the important thing to know about Kiev is they have change their funding >> um pretty substantially. Um before we were paying just about $80 per student per night.
042Um they changed the funding so the new formula was $170 per night per student. Um Yep. So, we had to apply for um a funding and a grant through Kiev. We're still waiting to hear back how much. Um we kind of gave them a ballpark that we can operate within, but it's something that may change. >> Why was that? Did they give any reason? >> No. >> Because they're very popular and they can >> Yes, they are. The kids love it though. >> It's a really good program. Josh, do you have any idea when we'll go back on that? Will it be next fall? >> It'll it should be soon. >> Okay. So, there's an area that, you know, we'll we'll watch for savings. >> And what's Ruth Reusables? >> Ruth Reusables. Yes. So, that's
043a um it's a a program that's down southern Maine and you can go in and get for free all kinds of supplies. You can get furniture. You can get um just your basic supplies, folders, notebooks, um chairs, everything. >> conference room tables, desks. Um so we did have a few um requests for furniture in here and we're hoping that currently um the elementary has it, but I don't believe that you've used it. You pay based on the number of students. >> Mhm. So, um, it it it can save you a lot a lot of money. >> We were going down there at one time. I'm surprised I hadn't heard that. We hadn't in the past because that is something that has been out there for quite some time. >> Teachers that go. >> Yeah. On
044a consistent basis. >> I was going to I was going to say this year I >> Yeah. And what did you um get? >> I furnished most of my stuff last year. things, I guess. Bring back >> my friends, most of my extra things. >> So, we're hoping I mean, we have box trucks. I mean, that's something that Amy I don't I'm guessing that Amy probably goes down in her own personal vehicle, but we have mini buses, we have vans, we have school, you know, and a group of five or six of the elementary or 10 could go down together on the bus and go down and they could fill it. Um it's so much cheaper than even buying one table to buy the membership for a whole year for a school to go down.
045>> So um I have a few tables down there. >> There's some really nice things. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> But if you had a trailer or the box, right? Or the bus to we could fill the bus. And we can. I mean that's that's the thing we have to would you know schools would have to coordinate. But, you know, somebody picked a date and Amy put it out there to the whole district and said, "Who wants to go? I'm going on Saturday. Such and such." You know, anybody could jump on and and go down and make a date. They also have a principal's um day, too. >> Bus stuff, >> right? >> Yeah. Josh had not heard of it, so we talked to Josh was like, "They have a principal's day that the principal
046can go down." And I mean, and they also give you like bags of stuff that already packed up and everything, a teacher bag, and everybody gets lots. where we get all of our backpacks that we provide all of our kids. Um, we've we've done this for probably seven or eight years. >> I was going to say it's been more like 10. >> Yeah, it's probably closer to 10. >> Yeah, >> it's been around for a long time. >> Mhm. >> And you can really >> Yeah. >> get some uh, you know, >> good things. Yeah. >> Good things. So, >> so yeah, the membership is in there. Other than that we put move. >> So we move the SRO to the principal line as opposed to instructional line. JMG is uh 27,000 this year. Um
047believe is 27,000 but it's a worthy program. Mhm. So, if you go to page six, you're going to see the after school program. It's 1 2 3 4 six. It's about seven lines down. So, I've put this in before the a grant um availability came out uh for us to apply to. Tenny has graciously agreed to work with that on doing the application with her and Laura and then I'll take care of the budgeting on it. So, if we get approved for that and depending on how much we would be able to remove a good portion of this out of um out of here, we also have money for the summer. So, this is summer school and after school. I have not had a chance to go in and change the actual um definition cuz
048right now it just says after school program. Um but we also have special education paying a portion of the um the cost for summer school. >> So you'll see that in their budget. >> What about title one in the past? Title one. is the one that that I'm talking about that we're just uh came out with the summer program for that. >> It's an additional grant. Yes. >> Um so this year there were uh things that were promised that were going to be paid out of title one that actually weren't fully budgeted through title one. So it's going to eat up all of the carryover that she would have. Um, so by applying for this grant and Sears Sports eligible for it at RSU20 because of the way that their program is structured, we could
049never get it in Belfast because our our program wasn't structured that we we didn't meet the number of days and the number of hours that needed to be um put out for for this program, but Sears Sport does. Um so the afternoon program would be the enrichment part and um that is what we would be covering mostly with the um title one and then the uh date portion of it mostly will be coming out of uh the sped and um um Matt did we say are we going to look at um local entitlement for that or are we going just straight with the um regular budget regular budget. So that's our instruction. Car center one, car center 2, special education. So, in going through um Matt's budget with him and with Annie, um we met
050with the administrators and their administrative assistants because it's really important that they know what's going on with the with the budget as they're the ones that are processing the requisitions. Um so that yeah, they need to know what's in there and what's not. Um there were some things in there that Matt had said, "Yeah, we we we don't need that." So that was one line was over 100,000 that we were able to pull out and some of it we allocated elsewhere where it was going to be needed. Um we know that currently we've got um some staffing changes which I had talked to you about um a little bit ago about not filling some open positions that we have this year. Um other than that his budget is down. It's going to be down. Um,
051so yeah, good job, Matt, with with that. So, if we just do a general overview now and then you guys if can highlight and put your tags on it for specific questions for um the other meetings if that is okay with you. Does that work Sabrina? Is that okay? Okay. Um then we go to the next one is the uh Waldo Tech Center. Again, I put in 15,000. Julie says that that's probably going to go up to >> 16. Julie, could you share that budget with me? >> I can. >> Thank you. Yeah. Unmute. Um. So the next section is article four other instruction. So, with this, we're looking at um doing a couple of things. Oh, you know what? I didn't explain. Um Well, yeah, that's right. I'll do it when we get to
052the um next section. Um we're looking to sign on with Arbor Sports so that they are going to be paying all of the refs that we have. So, the money that's in the budget for refs, we're going to be putting into a contracted service line, and Arbiter Sports is going to be the one that's going to be responsible for that. They're going to take over all of the um 1099s, um all of the assignments. Once a a game is over, R.J. can look at the refs that were there and hit Yep. pay, pay, pay. um I'll be able to keep track of it um for my access to the program. Um it's it will be a savings in the long run um for us. It's going to be a little bit upfront because you have
053to pay the setup fee for it. We're already using Arbiter for the assignment of the refs. Um and this is just taking it one step further. It's it's a really great program and the the refs really like it because they're not waiting two weeks for their pay. Um, and so where do the savings come from? The savings is going to come we're going to be taking out the money that I have in the game officials lines and um we'll be using that money to fund the um arbiter sports. We've also put in this line the um sports fields for maintaining the fields, irrigating and all of the things that they're they're doing. They it was under the regular maintenance line which we don't get as much reimbursement under regular maintenance. They do cover some things,
054but putting it in where it belongs, which is sports um section other instruction um will help us there as well. Um can we go back to the uh arbiter sports thing? So I'm trying to figure out how there's how eventually there's savings here. So are you saying that we just paid them a contract fee and even if we used more ref time than we had paid for that they pick it like I'm >> No. So the savings is going to be in the time that it takes us to process >> to cut checks to do the 1099s. >> Um that's our savings. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So not sorry. >> So not not an actual changing like amount of money that we're paying to rep. >> Correct. Correct. Thank you for asking that question.
055finance department and how much time is spent. >> Yeah. >> Focusing on that and organizing and all that other stuff versus just paying a few dollars. That makes a lot more sense to me. I didn't really understand it. >> I was getting ready for that clarifying question because I wasn't sure what to ask next. >> I did have another question in regard to this particular cost center. I noticed that um you have the sports field services portaotties photos note in a couple of places. >> Um and I guess I just would like to know more about why it's in two different >> because it's broken out between the high school and the middle school. >> Okay, that makes sense. Yep. And then the sports field services, is that including what we talked about uh in
056regard to field lighting and things like that? >> No. >> So where is that? >> That's in the budget. >> That's in the the maintenance. >> Okay. So we'll be uh Yeah. If you choose to move forward with the second phase. >> Okay. So it's not in this budget yet. >> It is in this budget section. Okay. I was kind of looking for it as I went through here and I didn't see it. So, >> yeah. So, >> you'll point it out to me when we get there. >> Will you explain what the sports field services cover so that they you started to you said aation? It's all the maintenance. >> Yeah. It's just it's just keeping the fields um up to par. Um I'm I'm sure they do pest control with it. Um they
057do fertilizing up the mountains and the bases normally. >> No. No, mowing makes it so much more. >> The correct amount of mixture of turf and dirt to rele it in the in the spring. >> Uh irration, building up the mound, resurfacing the for looks, we do our own >> so they do it in the spring and fall. They usually will will come um and treat the fields. Yeah. So you'll also see that there's a um on page 18 which is the last page of the section um basketball scoreboard. So I've asked R.J. to reach out to um First Bank because they are very generous in um helping school districts with these things. We've had this conversation quite a bit about who who can we take donations from and who we can't and we really
058never have got a clarification of what we can because there's a lot of free stuff out there. >> Well, there's you can take donations from anything. What you can't do is put um >> business names. You can't sell advertisement and put put business names on >> on scoreboards. Um, yeah, you can name a field after somebody though, >> but we never got a clarification as to sell banners for the fences. Are we allowed to do that? >> We still haven't got that clarified yet >> to do what? >> Sell banners >> and can you put them on the fences? I know you can't the backboard, but can you fences? >> It's based on your policy. We have a policy about there should be a policy. I don't think we do, do we? There's no policy.
059>> Yeah. >> I don't recall looking at one since I've been here in that regard, but that I could be wrong about that. >> I I'll check. >> I mean, I may have seen it and I just don't >> I'll check boiler plate just to see if there is one that. >> Yeah. >> But if not, I we have all the required policies. So, if it's not a required policy, we don't have it here. >> But it might be. >> So, what you can do is you can't put, you know, Coke as a sponsor and get money from them. But you can take the donation of a backboard or or a a scoreboard from a bank and have their name on there, but you can't you can't get donations to fund your program. They're giving
060you a a an a article. They're giving you a piece of furnishing um furniture that you can you can take. They can give that to you. You can definitely >> even though it has their name on it, >> even if they can have their name on it, they purchased it, but they're not paying you monthly to advertise for them. >> No, because we organizations come down to the I believe that has has the say of what >> I'm not sure if it's the MPA or um I I don't know, but we can check into that. All I can tell you is we thought we'd get lots of donations and and do the thing, but we have never been clarified. Correct. >> You can get donations. You just can't advertise for them and get a monthly
061stipen from them for doing >> what she's talking about though if you have sign and they give you money for the sign. >> Yeah. I don't know why they can't, but have to double check on that. they would essentially be buying the sign for you, right? And therefore have like design which is choices which and potentially >> I'm trying to think of the name of the shoe company in western Maine that supports all the local schools balance. Yeah, they're always doing stuff like that for the local schools. They'll buy a piece of equipment, sports equipment or something and you know they do a big >> we can get we can write about it in the newspaper. They're doing their their they're doing their own promotions and advertisements and the schools are just accepting the gift.
062>> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> We'll check into that. >> New balance. I don't know if they how far they go. Oh, you're all over. Cooper flag. We'll take it. Um but yeah, we'll uh we'll check into that um to see what the exact >> um guidelines are for it. I I know that when I was looking into this for um for Belfast and sorry guys, I I know that we keep referring back to Belfast, but that's our history >> and we're just we're just sharing it with you. Um that was the big thing. We could not put multiple um names on the scoreboard as advertising and expecting them to pay us to do that. You you can't do that. I'm pretty sure, but we'll double check. We'll double check. All right. High five, >> student
063and staff support. So, this is where our social workers, our guidance, um nurses, uh technology, all of that comes into this area. So, what this is is it's just um the help for the teachers and and students. um not necessarily in a classroom, but it's there to support. And with this one, it's it's down 147,000. Again, just from things that we have looked at. This is again, you know, we're not going to be looking for additional guidance counselor. So, we took that out even though that was funded this year because we're not going to doing something different with it. Um, on page 22, you'll see that Sharon had a conversation with Monica, our school nurse, and a lot of equipment that she uses that hasn't been updated. >> Correct. >> In many, many, many, many,
064many, many years, does she? So, you'll see that we'll start to we um Shandra has put in for um the vision screener. Um and we'll start to I actually put in for both. Um and I they're both needed. Um but that's I also had said to her, you know, I'll put them both in and then we'll let the board decide um do we get one this year, one next year? the costs that I put in. I I did some research on them um to see what primary primarily the schools are using and those are the the fees that I took. Um I know that the the screening I mean the Lions Club goes around and and um supports screenings. Um but I think that I know that they've they've um purchased screeners before for other
065schools. I don't know if uh she's reached out to them, but I mean I think that that's um an opportunity that we we should look at, but I do think that we need to uh talk about either doing the vision or the hearing this year and and one the next. >> Is there one that she would prefer? Sorry, Denise. Sorry. >> Um she did not say >> Okay. She did not say that she was fine with she was great with both or or fine with at least getting one or the other next year. Yeah. >> Yep. What did you ask, Denise? >> So, we actually could take one of these out. >> We could. Mhm. Mhm. >> Yep. A little bit further down, you'll see elementary librarian. We've again similar to what we did with
066art because of the numbers have cut that position or shifted that position um so it's halftime library and the other half will become a title one teacher. >> That'll probably be one that we really want to um clarify with the um public when we do that because when you say you're taking a half one away they seem to >> So we'll have to have our numbers ready for that one. >> Mhm. We currently have 10 K5 classrooms up there plus u she's picking up um the prek classroom once a month. So it's doable to go to a halftime similar to what we did with art. We got it through the same thing. Yep. When you're looking at that too, you'll see that there was money put in um AIDS salary for >> Yeah, that was
067put in incorrectly um for this year. Can we just back up a minute? Um on page 20, did we just move the home visit mileage reimbursement and is that is that what the SRO is going and what is that? No, this is if social workers um or uh guidance needed to do a home visit. Um we would pay them to do that. >> Okay. Because last time I knew, if I'm not mistaken, is that including the SRO to go with them as well? We don't uh well so that's coming that's under uh contracted service. I don't know how it's arranged Denise if they're asked if they're asked to go. I don't know. >> Okay. Cuz that's I believe we didn't send anybody on their own before. So I just want to make sure that we're
068covered. >> Mhm. >> So yeah, if they were riding or maybe if they were taking two cars, I mean the SRO would be using their own vehicle. >> Okay. Um >> Josh, can you speak to that in the past? How has that been? Do they go together or >> It's the preferable way to go, but we've had some other instances where we've had social workers and counselors need not necessarily home visits, but supporting students who are in crisis going to the ED and so needing to get down there and help. Um so there are other not just home visits, but visits. Yeah, I was just concerned about I just thought in the past we our practice was we're not sending anybody alone to a home visit. >> Correct. Okay. On page 24, I'm just curious
069about that it telephone why that's gone up so much. >> What page? >> Page 24. So that's yeah, I was questioning that as well. And the reason and I'm going by the bill. >> Going by the bill. Um and that's all I have for you person. Maybe we can investigate some more on that. See? Well, and when I looked at it, it was it is a big difference, but it was when I did the comparison multiple years back, I think I think it was underfunded. I think it was underfunded. Um, so while it has increased um some and and it was actually this month it was like $85 more than than any of the other lines. And um Paula was uh looking into that. this was something that um I had talked to her about
070over over break um and she was looking into that and uh she hasn't gotten back to me with a reasoning um and I had actually even said to our tech director what's up with and we just couldn't but when I when I do look back when I looked back I think it was underfunded >> and what phone is that the cell phone >> um yeah it was it was the cell phone that had the $85 increase to it. Um, and it's an old phone. I had originally been thinking about replacing um, everybody's cell phone. Uh, but I I don't think that that's going to happen this year because you would try to negotiate a lower cost. >> It's just that the loans are old. They're old. >> They're old. They need to be updated. >>
071They they they need to be updated at some point. But um >> when you're going from a zero increase budget to to an increase, um there are things that we need that we're just going to have to to wait on. Um >> because if we did that >> Yeah. Yeah. We would we'd never get a budget passed probably. Um, there are some of the leases that we have. Um, and I'll talk to you about it when we get there, but I I'm I'm wondering about paying them off early. We did one of one. We paid off early this year. I just I just can't see paying $900 interest on a $10,000 loan so that we can have it for two years. It just doesn't make sense to me. Doesn't make sense. So, um I think
072there's a couple in there that I want to talk to you about. Possibly if we get to May and we have some um funding available, I'm I'm going to ask about paying those off early. Six systems administration. So, this is um the superintendent's office and the board. So, there's a $28,000 um change on that. >> What's PL? That's a participating local district. So, that's um a section of mainstate retirement that's not really Main State Retirement. It's um it's for those that don't work directly with students. And last I think it was last July you all had approved for um for that for >> Oh yeah. >> Y I remember. Thank you. >> Yep. >> And so that's probably not really an increase. It's just a shift. It's well it it's an increase but it wasn't
073budgeted this year because it was approved after the budget >> I see. Was given. So, it's not yes and no, I guess. Yeah. >> And again, that's one of those things that when you make changes that's not included in the budget, it looks like it's a huge increase the following year because it was approved, but it was it was after the budget had been created. It was approved after. So, um you're going to see that. The other thing that I wanted to talk to you about, which is what you're going to see here, if you go to um just under halfway down, you'll see that under the purchase professional services, there's an increase of 14,000. Part of that is um our audit services are going to go up. Um but also Frontline is an absence
074management system that is going to improve our substitute accessibility. It's all online. It's uh for our staff. They're going to be able to go in and see exactly what they have for time available. Um it's all going to be done online. It's going to be made available to substitutes so that they can log in at any time and say, "Oh, gez, there's an absence in April. I can fill that, take it." >> They can sign up for it immediately. Um, >> it's no longer need >> and we'll no longer need to have a sub caller and be paying that out. So, the 14,000 is more than um more than going to make every principal's life a little easier. Fingers crossed. Um because what we're hearing is those subs that we're getting um now uh some
075new ones that have come on, they were actually in Belfast and the fact that we're going to get front line, they're very excited about it cuz they want to work in this district, but they don't want to get a call at 4:30 in the morning, you know, saying, "Can you come in?" because they can go online and book their time whenever they want it. Um, and again, our staff, they're going to be able to go in and see what they have available. And if they had put in for a day and they didn't need it, they can go in and take that day out. We can print reports. We can give all kinds of stats we'll be able to get from this. Um, it's a great great program. Um, so we've started it this year.
076I put all of it in under um this line to start off. I've put in a minimal amount into each uh section location um for the actual fees that are going to be associated with carrying the program. But the startup and everything I just put in in this one line school administration. This is our principal's office. And I'm not sure if you all had heard rumors going around that the dean of students having that classification gives you more in subsidy. It does not. It's It does not. So, just in case anybody asks you about it, no, it's not about the name of a position. I just thought that was kind of funny when I heard it. So, within this one, um, basically it's just the increase with the salaries and benefits. There's not a lot
077of other things that we have put in here. Um, you'll see where we've got on the bottom of page 29 got looks like we've got a 100% increase and that's that's our SRO breaking amount of her breaking her out um between all the locations. It's that minimal amount of the front line that we're putting in. Um, so did our proportion increase for the SRO? >> We do not have a contract with them yet for next year. Um, I know that Laura had said that you had negotiated 60,000 for this year. no more than 60,000. Our current SRO is being paid more than the other because of experience. So, I did put in a little bit more in that line, but we don't have a um we don't have a contract yet. >> So, this covers
078the salary for the time being that might be reduced when the contract details are figured out. >> Maybe. >> Okay. >> Maybe, probably not, though. I see. >> So, this is really what our portion is going to really look like. So, okay. >> We didn't get a we didn't get anou until late last fall. >> Correct. um because of the change and things like that that occurred and we said that we could pay when I sent it out no more than 60,000 and we're kind of >> in that range but we understand that there's could be some increase but we're not >> So did their portion change? >> They picked up whatever the big the difference was. Yes. >> Okay. But they wanted to change it substantially. So >> last year, yes. And we said
079>> So we did hold tight before we >> we did hold tight. We did not agree >> cuz I I hadn't seen the final once we signed off on it. I hadn't seen it again. So I didn't know >> where we stood. >> It didn't it did 60,000 and that's what we kind of were in that same round this year. transportation is the next one. So we have 170,000 increase there. Um 150 of that is for a bus under bus and I've broken down the um payments that we have left on leases for you. And then again the leases the actual leases are in the back of your your binder. We bought that van I mean the the last car, right? We bought it outright or did we lease it? No, she leased it. >>
080Yeah. No. Um there there's nothing that was purchased outright. I do wonder on this. Um, you'll see that we didn't put much in for uh equipment and small, you know, tools and things because I I'm hoping that we're going to be getting that back, all new stuff. So, we're not going to need to put things in here for the next couple of years anyway, um, once we get that going. Some of the other changes you can see again that Shandra has moved money around. You'll see that electricity was under maintenance line and it's really bus garage. There was also um fuel oil, heating oil that was again under maintenance and it should have been under bus garage. So that adds I mean just those two right there add another 13,000. So you can see where
081those increases it really the cost hasn't really increased that. It has but it hasn't it's just shifted. >> Yeah. a lot of the shifting and I think that that's going to be the the hard thing to continually state at the um public meeting is we shifted things. We had to shift things around to >> get them in the appropriate category to maximize our subsidy reimbursement. Um and you know, we'll we'll see how it works out works out next year. >> Oh, sorry. The bus driver wages went up really substantially. Is that an additional driver on there or is that just contract? Okay. >> Yeah. >> No, we haven't hired a new staff. >> That still seems We can't have a contract that says they're getting a 30% increase, do we? >> No. when you have
082um multiple move moving up a level. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. Okay, >> that makes sense. >> Yeah, that is. And I think there was like five. Five. >> Wait. Yeah, we had quite a few that did a jump. >> Did a jump. All right, facilities. This is where you're going to see the lease agreements and they're on page 36 on the first one though on that seaman's maintenance contract. >> Yeah, >> I know you said 36, but I want to go on this one. Um, >> you're talking about the contracted service one? Yep. >> Yep. >> Um on page 33. >> Mhm. >> Of that 30,000 are they supposed to be maintaining um every bit of that the computers and stuff up there? >> I'd have to look at the actual detail of the the
083agreement because it was a three-year um >> three-year contract that was signed. So I I took what their third year uh what excuse me what their second year was that because it's it's broken out >> and it goes up each >> I I guess my point being at when it's broke out and at $30,000 >> Mhm. >> and and they should be here not waiting for it to break down. We should be getting service within that time. I'm assuming cuz for some reason I I think they're so supposed to be servicing some of our stuff up there. >> I'll have to read it, Denise. >> I wish it would because I'm pretty sure that that's what it states. >> Okay. >> And this is >> I'll double check on that. >> 30,000 Shandra does that
084for each school? >> Mhm. >> And and if I recall, they're supposed to be coming in to maintaining. I'm not 100% but I think that's Especially when we know that we had trouble during the summer and they should have been here before. I I guess that's my point. When you know we're down during the summer and you don't get them here and >> Mhm. >> And I think that's part of the contract. I'd like to look I know you were going to page 36, Shandra, but what about page 35? Purchased repair maintenance going up by 7200, >> pest control, waste removal, fire extinguisher services. >> Oh, do we need new fire extinguishers? No, they come and check them every year. Oh, it's it's paying for that service for them to come in and do the
085um do the check on them, >> which is required. >> Yeah. >> Uh well, I don't know. I'm not seeing which one you're talking about, Chris. Right here. >> Pest control, waste removal, fire extinguisher services. in the bottom. >> $7,200 >> on page 35. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> It's 2,800 >> up to >> 10,000. >> Oh, right there. Okay. >> Okay. So, it's up 7,200. Gotcha. Okay. >> I was just curious about what that cost or increase was all about. >> Yeah, I'm thinking that this was another movement. Um, For some reason, I want to say that I wasted why not something that we had a conversation about. >> That's okay. >> Nope. You can get back to me. I was just curious about it. >> Nope. It's great question. And I if it
086was that much, I should have explained it. Oh, it's plowing. So, we um decided to have the plow company do central office and that was $9,500. Oh, and that's not under contracted services grounds plowing contract. So, that was that was the other location. The reason I broke it out was so I'd remember that. Not very well. Thank you. >> I I thought we were going to plow our own central office. Yeah, we were not working out, especially now that we're down a plow truck um in Sander. So, um we we had them do it and I for the first couple storms the central office wasn't pl >> the first one just shoveled. The second one I did. Not that that's a big deal, but >> Well, kind of it is. >> Well, I mean I
087I can I can do that. It's our drivers are if they're going to be doing that work, they've got to get in here by 5. >> Mhm. >> To get it before they're on their bus starting their trips. And there's just not enough time. And for them to do it after they get back, well, you know what? Staff is already here, >> cars are already in the parking lot, and it's just not >> not feasible. Um, >> did we use the same company that we were with? Yes, we did. Brad Akins. >> Yeah. For this year. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> Yep. So, we didn't plan on that expense, but we have to now. So, >> correct. >> Mhm. >> Yep. >> And what they did last time in the past is that um which
088they're probably running short of help, too, as the town used to swing by here. >> They still do, but Not >> not to plow, but they will sand. They're they're so good to us, honestly. >> Yeah, they are. >> Y >> and we do have our drivers coming down afterwards to do all the the smaller shoveling. So, we have somebody that will plow and get us in, but then you'll see bus drivers down here soon as the runs are over. Right. >> The other day, they were here knocking ice off >> all the all the way around the building. They'll shovel the ramp. They'll shovel Josh does as well. There's There's always someone here now. >> Yeah. It's just that they can't get it all done before everybody starts arriving. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So,
089on the last page of this, so it's page 36 at the top of the page, you you see where it's lease one, lease two, um lease three. So, I put in uh 220,000, not 160. I increased that after we'd got um EMC's proposal. So, it's 220,000 that was in there. >> And that's if we go through it. >> That's if you go through with it. We're we've got it in the budget. Um, if something else comes up and we don't if we need to go out for a bond because of the bus garage, if we're not going to get enough money from insurance to cover that, um, then I would suggest to the board to maybe think about doing a bond for the whole kitten kaboodleoodle. Doing it all. Um, can you explain what changed
090uh with lease one and two? It looks like you broke out differently. >> Yeah. Um, so they were um all put into one line and I broke it out so that we can see where we're at with with each one. So what's what's the seaman's lease that's here versus the one that was on that we already talked about that was >> so the lease is for the esco project itself that was done. >> The other is a contracted service. It's the maintenance agreement >> that we have with them. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yep. >> And lease two is the one that they just um finished. Mhm. And then lease three is what they um met with us about a couple months ago. And I'm really not trying to be a jerk, but since
091we just had the conversation about how we wouldn't be plowing, why are we getting a truck with a plow is that to plow the bus garage? I mean, I'm serious. Like, yes. >> Okay, fair enough. >> And it could be it could be that we were back here. It just we were short and we just had to figure it out. We were just short this year with the >> Yeah. But but still with that we come into Okay. Time >> Yeah. >> time frame on on getting stuff. >> Timing is weird, right? When you have >> Sure. >> Yeah. But but yes, primarily it was it's for the the um bus area. Um, the rest is >> No one's taking any vehicles home at this time, are they? >> No. >> Okay. >> Not that
092I'm aware of. And I understand the in general the rationale for not wanting to, you know, lease more than we have to. But >> are there options here like with this truck that if we wanted to try to get the overall increase down that we could look at leasing instead of outright purchase? >> You absolutely can. Yes. But ultimately it will cost us more money >> in the in the long run. It will it will bring this down. Um again I'm not a fan of that but um >> but right now if we didn't do the SO project at this time that would bring it down how much? >> 220,000 >> right off the bat which would put us down to >> Well, that would take care of your your subsidy decrease. >> Mhm. >>
093164,000. >> Yep. So there are things in this budget. I mean when we met with the administrators I cannot tell you how we had such great conversations with them all and they all understood. They they heard us when we were talking about um enrollment versus um these numbers um and and needs. And I have to tell you, I think that every one of them came in with a budget that was based on the needs. It wasn't based on wants. I mean, I was when I met with the elementary, I when we met with the elementary, I'm like, "Dad, there's nothing in there for supplies." She said, "We don't need it because we have so much donated to us." So, they didn't put money in just to, you know, um hike up their their potential of
094of money coming in. Um and when we talked about changes and and um decreases in staffing, they participated and it wasn't this you're not touching my school and my staff and we're not getting rid of any staff. We're just making the best use of the staff that we have and the the participation that we had with all of them. It was just it was wonderful. It was wonderful and the the meetings were were enjoyable. I mean, I learned a lot from I learned a lot from them um as to what was going on and and why the requests and um there wasn't a time when we said ah that just doesn't make sense to us that they didn't have a reasoning and it's like oh that does make sense. It does make sense >> with
095the increase as we present. >> Mhm. >> The 200 I keep coming back to the ESO cuz that's the biggest one. Um it is for the upgrading of our facilities. >> Correct. um as if we choose to move forward with it, that would be a um a plan going forward to to show what we would actually fix um in the buildings itself. I think that's would be self-explanatory on that aspect. As far as the um I know we put in for like the new truck and stuff, but that might be covered with our insurance. >> Correct. Is that the one that's in that insurance plan or out of it? >> Yes. >> Um >> but if we need the money for the building, 65,000 is much less than >> Yeah, I see what you're saying.
096But I meant we could actually um justify I guess to um the taxpayers on some degree that way. Um >> I guess it is going to come down as far as the the rest of the supplies that was in the fire versus the building. And maybe she's right about the bond on top of that if we did one instead of going >> in debt that way. So, between the new bus, >> the truck >> Mhm. >> the bond, uh, excuse me, not the bond, the the third um, >> potential lease. >> That's 435,000. >> That That's the in pretty much the most. >> Yep. That's the pretty much the increase. >> Well, yeah. And then, you know, you had your 10,000 in salaries and benefits >> and we were able to have some savings by
097not >> um >> fill in position >> filling filling the positions and um removing them. So, >> but I would recommend that we go with a bus. >> Oh, we we definitely >> we really need to go with a bus. >> Oh gosh. Yes. But we haven't bought a bus, I think, in 3 years. I think that she I think we went with a small bus and a van and something else. >> We had Right. We had the Rav and um was >> another Voyager Y another van >> um that was purchased I want to say last year the year year before >> 20 um FY25 are >> no they're in this budget. >> They have lease the leases that I'm talking about. they have leased everything. >> Yeah. >> For the payments to stay
098down. >> And remember, even though your payments are staying down, you're you have to have an attorney look over the agreements. Um it's it's there's added costs to it. Yeah. >> It doesn't look like it, but it's there. >> Oh, yes, it is. Yeah. And then the interest that we're we're paying. So, what do you guys think? I can't see you behind this, so I'll slide this way. Sabrina, >> um, what would you like to see for Wednesday night? She's going to present the, um, the ED279. We're going to do Wednesday. >> Yeah. >> What else would you guys like to bring forward for Wednesday night? I mean, I'm not sure this is Wednesday, but um I think at some point we need to have a conversation about whether we think that that lease, the
099Masco thing, can stay in or not. Um we're no closer to finding out what we're getting for insurance. Does not make life easier. >> Does not. That's the hard part right there. >> Yep. Um, >> and maybe not a full rate maybe. >> I mean, are we are we allowed to delay a decision on the budget based on that kind of a pending? So, um, you don't need to have your budget voted on, um, at the polls on the same day as, you know, you can do it at any time, but you're going to foot the whole cost of it, >> right? >> And so, what's the sorry, what's the deadline for like for the warrant articles if we want to go with, >> you know, when Searsport is having their when we're having our
100primary whenever. So, um, we have the public meeting set for May 15th, uh, May 19th >> because we had to, um, lock in a date for the moderator. >> So, how I guess what I'm asking, how late can the board push to making a decision and still meet that May 19th >> April vacation, I should say. April Normally, I would get all of the um paperwork ready for the attorneys to get the warrants ready >> during April vacation. Now, that being said, remember, at any point if if something should happen between the point that I get this stuff done and to uh out to the public, the warrants, if at the public meeting, we find out something different, one of you can say, I I um make a motion that we drop the article 9
101by $220,000 and we can change it then because what's going to the public for the ballot vote votes is is not a figure. It's just a yes or no. >> Yeah. >> And the other thing >> so we could change it. Then >> the other thing that you talked about was the consideration of a bond. >> Yeah. >> Which is another whole >> but I feel like we can't even come anywhere near making that a decision of whether we want to consider a bond until we know what the insurance is. So >> exactly. >> I don't know whether we should pull that lease payment out at this point. Um, I mean, we might come to that decision anyway just because we think that but I am concerned that I I I'm not sure we're going
102to get this through. I'm not saying I'm not willing to try, but it's, you know, um, >> yeah, I mean, maybe we could get through on Wednesday the ED279 and then next week like have it have the agenda be more about pros, you know, just sort of weighing things like discussion kind of, >> cons. >> Sounds great. And we'll have food service and we'll go over food service um, next Monday. >> Okay. Okay. So, Wednesday we'll do the ED279. Um, it can get a bit lengthy. Um, but I'll try to get all of that stuff to you in advance. I'll email it to you so that you can be looking at it and if you have any questions or, you know, comments about it, um, we can do it. >> It's really helpful >> um
103to build. Yeah. And then we'll talk about food service the next Monday and take any other questions. It would be helpful if um if you have specifics if you email them to me so that I can get the appropriate answers for you um in detail >> and be ready. >> It would yeah just and just be ready for the discussion. That would be very helpful. So do you have any other questions about what we went over tonight? We good? so far >> that we we we're just at a little bit of a standill, but it's expected with as Sabrina says without knowing how much and we know we need to build in and which route do we want to take and and the um renovations could be part of that bond and right I would
104say not to do the bond at the time that you're doing your budget. wait until November. I guess >> in the land of of you know discussions and kind of gaming things out like it would it would be helpful if you could provide for us next week kind of I think there's three scenarios. There's the one we have in front of us now. I mean I realize there's also scenarios where we could say like shave 100,000 somewhere. >> Yeah, whatever. But like in terms of the big picture big ticket things, there's what you've got right now. >> Mhm. There's a version that says we're going to do a bond. Make up your number. Like give your best guess as to what you think if we were going to have to raise a bond for the
105new building >> that would look like. Okay. >> And then there's a version that would be we want a bond that does the building and all of the elementary. >> I can tell you right now that if you go for a bond, it's not going to be in this budget. You're not gonna have to pay anything out of this budget for a bond. It'll be out at I28. >> No, I understand that. I just would be curious to understand, you know, kind of what are the impacts even longer term. >> Yeah. >> For that >> going forward, how does it change this budget, you know, etc., etc.? Yeah, it would if the bond's the way to go like you say and we put the money from for the elementary into that it almost could virtually
106bring this back to an even budget of of you know within probably a h 100,000 >> over last year >> because >> I don't know it would depend on if you were putting those vehicles in the bond would you >> that would be I >> I guess I like the I don't Those can go in the bond. >> We could be flexible with the truck. Um, but >> we're going to pay somebody to plow. >> Let me say this in a clear Let me get to what I really want in a clearer way cuz I think I'm maybe not. >> Um, if we wanted to try to get this to look as close to zero as possible, what could you recommend that we do that would get us there? >> Well, that was my point.
107So there you go. >> Okay. >> I'm I'm saying if we if if we think we don't have enough money to to do a new garage and if we didn't then I would like to take this um the elementary part of it out of this budget and put it in with the ball for the garage. >> Okay. I guess that's >> that's another piece of that. I think I know what you're saying around. But I know I know what you're saying. >> Yeah. >> So to me and that would like I said this would almost bring this budget >> to the table >> with no increase again. >> Mhm. >> Or maybe the 10,000 for the salaries and benefits cutting 150 for the bus. >> Yeah. So it is >> I mean but it's within
108100 or >> Yeah. >> 150,000 is a lot better than >> Okay. >> And I'm not saying that the $500,000 $400 and something thousand is not bad. No, I'm not saying that either because >> to me you did due diligence and there's not a lot of fluff. It comes from >> the upkeep of our schools is the biggest part of it. And um >> to me, you can either fix it now or you can >> right really fix it in 5 years from now. >> Yeah. And I since we are being public and recorded, um I want it to be duly noted that this is not in any way to suggest that I don't think that the folks sitting behind me who I'm always, you know, have my back to, um haven't done an amazing
109job of getting this to where it is. It's just being proactive in thinking that even this may not be where it needs to be. >> Y completely hear you. Yes. So I I think that's the way in. Yep. I can do that. >> So, when I do that, what I I'm going to do it on um a change sheet. I'm not going to do it right within the budget yet. >> I'll do it on the change sheet and um provide that to you and that'll change the 8279 as well. So, I'll give you you a new one of those. >> Mhm. >> Okay. And and actually I I think we're looking for your expertise to to see. >> Are you trusting me? >> No, I don't. I I KNOW YOU HAVE THE NUMBERS, SO I'M
110going to be quite thinking. >> Yes. >> I I think that you have a basic idea of how much money we're going to get back within a little bit. So, >> I mean, it doesn't take a lot. It they've already discussed what they'd like to see in a new building. Yeah. >> Um I think you've run that by them if I remember right. And um a basic building is going to cost whatever. And >> yeah. Yeah. >> I mean that's pretty much what >> Yeah. I actually spoke with an architect today and just to kind of find out where we at per square foot. >> Mhm. >> It's over 300. >> Yep. >> It's not 280 290. It's it's over 300. >> Yeah. So um yeah. >> So I mean that that's just the basics
111right there. So that gives us the best way to go I think to >> Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. I can do that. Mhm. I can do that. Ajourn motion to adjurnn. So move. >> Sorry. Oh baby. Thank you. Um 5:30 Wednesday.