001Good evening. It is 6 o'clock and I would like to call the Wednesday, December 10th, 2025 Finance and Operations Committee to order. Please rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag. >> Good evening. We have received a copy of the November 12th, 2025 regular finance and operations committee meeting minutes. Okay. Um I would like to for first I will say that um Commissioner Anderson is not able to attend tonight. So it's just um Commissioner Ledger and I do have a forum. Um but I would like a motion to approve the minutes. Second. So move. Um and I'll second and open it up for any uh discussion. Um so all in favor >> I the minutes are passed. I would also um like to thank our new support for the um great
002work on the minutes. our new support um admin assistant and I'll move on to the next item in the agenda, public comment. Do we have any public comment in person or online? >> No. Okay. Thank you. Next item on the agenda is looking at the 2026 um regular finance and operations committee meeting dates. So we have a copy of the dates and we did table this from last month to just sort of explore date options. um possibly include a July option which was not on the schedule for last year because um it's a new fiscal year but also we're obviously uh wrapping up the previous fiscal year and there was some conversation about whether it was skillful to include July. Um there has been some feedback and that feedback has included um if we were
003to have a July meeting we would have to be aware that there would be lots of invoices and um sort of unresolved finances. Um so it it is a month where we wouldn't necessarily need to have a meeting. Um I want to just open it up for some conversation. Kisha Ledger, if you have any thoughts. Um, I think with um I just noted that Jod had wanted to keep that. So, in terms of finance and their needs, I'm amendable to that, but I do understand the proximity to vacation. So, that considered to Miss Bon. Yes. He'd like to just share some thoughts and ideas. I am >> um I did initially last year when I was presenting in August um I did think it was a little bit tricky trying to do the two months
004at once and and then really one was a new fiscal year. But the more I just thought about this, it really does not make sense to have the July one because June is not nearly done and especially by July 8th. Um we're we're barely we're are just closing the books by the time the August meeting rolls around. At that point, we're pretty much done because we are doing the end of year report. Um, so to miss the July meeting is, I think, acceptable. >> Okay, that's really helpful because we do have August. >> Um, and that that precedes the start of >> August we would definitely want to keep because at that point I can report on the end of the year and we would also have a full month of the new fiscal year
005under our belts, too. So, yeah, we wouldn't want to skip August. And if something important came up and you thought that it would be skillful to have a meeting, we could always schedule a special meeting. >> Absolutely. Um, and I know that we're also uh having a lot of collaborative conversations with uh the mayor's office and superintendent's office and really bringing um all of the department heads together to be proactive which I think is going to be really helpful um so that we can kind of coalesce coales things um >> absolutely >> so okay I appreciate that feedback. Do you have any uh feedback about any of the other dates? I do see that Wednesday, November 11th. >> Just the 11th because since that's board holiday, so the building is closed. No one no one
006is here. Um other than that, I don't have any I don't see any other conflicts on there. So unless you had a conflict, >> do you think there would be an issue with not having a meeting um in November? Would that be a challenge or would that be um an opportunity for a special meeting if we needed one? >> Just keep in mind that when we do skip a meeting, this was the this just came to my mind. I do still have to present at the board of finance. So, I would still have to go to board of finance. So, that could potentially make it tricky um on your end. >> Right. >> So, that would be my thought. >> Are do you do you recommend that we still have a meeting in November even
007though it's a holiday? probably not on that day. But I think we should still I mean I do like to have a November meeting because this is the time of year when really we have a really full picture of what is going on like expenses are really ramping up right now. So I do >> it does make me a little nervous to skip that particular month. Okay. >> I would I would recommend moving it to another day. So I know we haven't established the schedules yet for the other committees but the hope and the intention is to condense meetings so that we have our regularly scheduled monthly meetings on two dates. So the potential is finance and operations and policy and school family community partnerships and student achievement. >> So it's less there less meeting
008dates. So that opens up a diff another Wednesday that month, but again, >> it's hard to really firm that up because the other >> committees haven't established their um schedules yet. >> I'm a little hesitant to do that without the um the schedules being voted on and approved. Another option is to moving in another day that week. Could be Tuesday the 10th, >> 13th the 12th. I mean, we could we could look at that. >> I would say I would say maybe Thursday if Wednesday's a day off or could go there by night. I don't know. Just an idea. >> Yeah. No, I I think that's a fair point. Um any thoughts from the powers that be about Thursday, November 12th, 2026? So having it on a Thursday, I know trying to project a year
009in advance, but is there anything that jumps up? >> Um, we could also just pull it off of the calendar and call a special meeting when when it gets closer to the date, then we know our other dates and we can tag it on >> if you wanted to to one of the other meetings. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. That's fair. I think that's that's a skillful >> um approach. >> Great. All right. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. >> Okay. Any other feedback from >> Good. Okay. Amazing. Thank you. >> So, I'd like to make a motion then to approve the 2026 Finance and Operations Committee meeting dates with a striketh through of Wednesday, July 8th, 2026. and with the striketh through of Wednesday, November 11th, 2026. So, all the other dates would be
010approved with the removal of July 8th, 2026 and November 11, 2026. I just have a question about the policy date. So, does that make them having to also approve these dates? >> No. Okay. So, that will be it'll be separate. will be separate from once their SC schedule is established. So we'll work we could work with the policy committee um chair ponds and superintendent's office can work with the policy committee to determine the scheduling. They would get their own separate schedule and then they would approve it and if it is on the same night then we you know could certainly follow that pursuit. I I can say the policy committee hasn't met in July in the past. Um but any yeah any committee that would normally meet on Wednesday, November 11th, >> you know, would
011probably not. >> Right. >> So you you said so moved. So motion has been made. >> Um and >> you made it. I'll second it. Um all in favor? >> I the schedule is approved with those two adjustments. All right. Wonderful. Now we have the 2026 budget update through November 30th, 2025. Miss Bond, we are currently in a deficit of 4,33583 as we await our budgeted revenue sources. These include Medicaid, excess cost, tuition, um, and rentals. We've received Medicaid money, tuition money, rentals. We just have not received an excess cost payment yet. will receive the first one in um February. Um we did submit just on December 1st, we submitted our excess cost report and it was close to $24 million. >> Yeah. >> Which is and I I think it's up that was up
012almost 2 million from last year. So we are hopeful about that. Um since we are in this deficit, we won't be in an overall deficit once we receive our revenues. However, special ed is in a deficit of 2,410 268. So this will sort of eat into our general education um budget. So, we will have to, you know, as we're moving along, really try to analyze our expenses, see what what can be cut, if anything can be cut, or at least um put off a little bit and try to mitigate some of these expenses. Um, you know, like I said last month, we are a little bit worried about our our ESS, our substitute teacher and paraline. We did just recently have to increase that purchase order. So, that's that's a little bit of a concern
013for us, but we keep an eye on it. We do have some alliance money that is funding a portion of that, which is great. Um, but we don't know how much we'll be able to support there. Um, could you um as this develops more and you have a better idea about how much of a deficit it is and what we may need to cut, I mean, let's definitely have those conversations. I I I know we really don't want to have to impact general education. It's >> no. And I don't really I hesitate to put everyone on a freeze. You know, for the past few years they've been on a free. Every year we seem to be on a freeze, but the p it just keeps getting earlier and earlier. So I hesitate to do that
014just yet. I'm not completely worried, but we just want to keep a really close eye on it. I think, you know, with the cuts from last year and the impacts that it's having on regular education, general education, >> I'm just really worried that, you know, for for general ed to take >> Absolutely. And we don't have much that we can cut. So, let's be honest, there's it's pretty bare bones. So, it's not, you know, it's not like we have these extra >> um cushions built in there. So it's it's tight. >> Yeah. The cuts are already having a delterious impact on students and I absolutely I just can't imagine. I mean I'm in the schools. I'm talking to teachers. I'm have I have my own personal um experiences and then I see what's happening to
015general education. And I think any further cuts or any further impacts to general education, it really just could be irrevocable damage. And I I I how forward- facing also can we be >> to um you know to the board of finance like what what do we need to do to make sure that it's understood how dire our our our situation really is? >> Absolutely. and we do need support staff in there and we are Mr. Graowski is going to give a little bit of information on our substitutes um based on some of the questions from last month. But we do think that this you know the shortages that we're feeling this year in the staffing is having a negative impact not only on the students but absolutely on the staff goodness because they just don't
016have the support that they need. So >> Right. No, absolutely. I mean, I'm I'm comforted that there might be an increase of $2 million in the excess cost. >> Yes. But >> so so we also don't know until very late. Um we're also anticipating some drip funds that can help support facilities, but again, we've heard nothing on that since the beginning of the fiscal year. Um so we're still waiting on that. >> Okay. >> Thank you for that. >> You're welcome. In positive news, we >> we did receive our seed grant last month. I had mentioned that the state sent out the email um and I was looking for the money because it went directly to the city. Well, I found it and we moved it over into our own grant. So, now we do
017have those funds in our possession, 22,356. Um that was the first 25% installment. These funds will be used to expand the lead program. And those initiatives, they do have to be spent by June 30th. So, that was a little bit It's going to be tight, but that's okay. I'm sure I'm sure Amy will do it. >> And is that for a couple years and you have to keep applying it? Will the grant be available? >> They said it's multiple years. Yes. And it was in that they sent out an FAQ today, which was actually very informative. And going forward, so this year, this first installment of the grant has to be for new initiatives, but going forward, the funds can be used to support these programs. So it's not every year, you don't have to
018come up with new initiatives. So any staff that is hired for these programs now can be continued to will be continued to be funded through the seed grant going forward. And can what is the grant what's a grant cycle look like? >> It's so this year it's July 1st of 25 through June 30th of 26. So then I assume going forward it'll be just a yearly grant. Yeah. Y >> for three years. >> Thank you. That is good. >> Yes. Any other questions on the financials? >> I don't have anything. >> Great. U one thing I want to mention and then I'm going to move um going to pass it to Mr. Verowski to answer some of those sub questions, but I just wanted to mention that next week at the board of finance meeting,
019I'm going to be presenting or requesting a bid waiver um for Walmart. So earlier this year we received a grant from the Department of Transportation. It's for an all kids bike program. It's really nice grant, $70,000. Um and it will provide 20 bikes and bike accessories to all of our schools all for 14 locations essentially. So every school BPA and McKenna Vento students. Um, unfortunately we found out on December 2nd that we have to spend the funds by December 31st. So we have not gone out to RFP yet. So I have to go and apply for request a bid waiver from the city. So I am doing that next week. But I wanted to bring that to your attention. >> Oh, great. Thank you. >> Is that um similar to the programs that like Southside?
020>> Very similar. Yes. Just more expanded. Yeah. Wonderful. >> Yeah. Erica Triani applied for that and got it and it's a nice grant >> and it's a one-off. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yep. And we did have um our accounting supervisor did reach out to our Walmart representative and he assured her that yes, it will take several weeks for all of these items to come in, but they can provide the full scope of everything we need. So that's great. >> I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Rbowski for right now and then I'll go on to the cafeteria. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. >> Good evening. Um, I was made aware of a few questions that the committee had. I'll go through the questions as I received them. If you have any additional
021questions, let me know. I'll try to answer what I can on the spot. Um, otherwise I'll take no and I'll have those answers for you at another time. So the first question I had received um from Jod was the number of ESS subs broken out by teacher and parub. So ESS is a subbing agency that we use that sources out our subs. To date in the ESS pool they have um 223 active teacher substitutes and 72 paraprofessional substitutes. The next question I'd received was um our daily rate. So our daily rate is $11424 a day, which comes out to about $19 an hour. And when you're dealing with a pool of subs, you're competing against all the other districts that have set rates. So, I reached out to our um ESS district manager and I
022was curious. So, I asked her, "Can I have some data on where we are on our rates?" And um she informed us that we are at the bottom of the ESS rates. The only other town that they source out to that we match is Waterberry. Um all the other towns are above us. So, I'll just go through some rates to give you guys ideas. Um, Thomas School District, Daily Ray 126, Torington 135, New Britain 130, Bethany 145, Bloomfield 121. Um, obviously Waterberry is in our range, Manchester 120. So, those are just other districts. So, it's challenging when we're trying to compete with towns where some go make up to 20 or $30 more a day over a week, over a month. it's considerable amount of money for individuals. So that's that's been a major struggle
023for us. Um when we compete with other towns, >> we're already over just we're already over budget. So it's hard to say like let's increase the rate, >> right? Well, and so there's a challenge there. My other my question I had is some of our like contiguous districts for example, do we know what their rate is? Sington, >> I can reach out. Um different districts have different models. Uh there's Kelly Services, other agencies they use. um some are also in-house so I can try to get that information but I was focusing just on ESS and those are the people we compete with >> right I get that information >> the reason I ask is because when I was a substitute teacher when I was getting what um one of my >> teaching shirts like many
024years ago so it would be like 1988 or something in that area. Um, I was a substitute for Bristol and Plainville and I loved when Plainville called me because it was $75 a day and Bristol was 50. Um, so, you know, if I live in Bristol and I'm looking to be a sub, I'm going to go that's why I asked, you know, our contiguous districts >> and and and it really was like a race to who called me first because if I already committed to Bristol and then Planeville called me for the higher rate, I was like, darn. But um but you know, especially I think there's such a shortage >> that a higher paying district I would commit to. I would say, "Oh, how many days a week do you need me Planeville if
025you're paying me $25 more a day or something to that effect and I'm local in this area. I might not travel to uh I might not travel to Bethany or to some of the other districts because the $15 I might make I might use in gas. You know what I mean? But I would travel to Planeville or Southernington or New Britain. What's How much does New Britain pay? 130. So that's >> Yeah. >> And and to add to that competition um or student raised their daily rate as well. So to be a bus driver you can make $168 a day. um without the degree requirements that you need to be a sub. >> So, I've had numerous subs that have reached out to me even for long-term positions who have college degrees, >> right, >>
026who would like to sub in a long-term role and they'll say to me, I can make more money driving a school bus. I'm working with students. I just that's what I have to do at this point. >> So, it's definitely a challenge. And to bring it back to the students, I can tell you from personal experience how impactful it is when there's a sub or there's not an available sub and classrooms are now combining students. >> It's we're we're in crisis. I mean, truly, we have to do better. I don't know what kind of begging, pleading, petitioning we have to do with the city, but we have to do better for our students. We have to. It's not it's not good enough, you know, and $114 is not good enough. And um as evidenced by
027our difficulties with getting substitute teachers, um and I know that and Superintendent White, it might still be that the State Department of Education has relaxed its requirements for substitute teachers and long-term subs. Is that correct? It's it's still relaxed. Um >> yes. And we're still having difficulty with securing subs. >> Do we um is there like a process you go through when they you can't get a sub is the first step to kind of um combine classes or check if teachers on prep can cover? >> That's a great question. So typically we try to start with support staff and I think the reason why we're going to see the budget for ESS increase more than we have in the past is we've cut support staff. So over the last two years between um the fiscal
028cliff with the SSER funds and the reduction of ISTY positions about two years ago um and our coaches were down roughly 36 support staff districtwide. would normally be asked at times to help cover for classrooms. Now, we need subs. It's an extra 36 potential subs a day that we need. And obviously, we don't want those four staff members covering, but in a pinch, those individuals step up and and support um and the continuity, too, because they they know our students, they know what's going on in the classrooms. Um, >> right. But let's be honest, we've lost veteran teachers who were able to retire because they were in a position of support staff or they were an IST and they weren't able to fulfill their responsibilities as an IST because they were being pulled all the
029time. So now they're not providing that, you know, true true in intended service to our most vulnerable students, whether it's students who need support in tier 2 instruction or pushing in tier one instruction, but they're they're not able to do that. And so they're just a glorified substitute teacher. And I I know we've lost teachers to that because they've told me firsthand. And so those are massive losses to to direct student contact and to the supports that those support staff offer our classroom instructors or our our teachers who are providing direct instruction. So, when I say we're in crisis, right, it's layered and I understand it's not a one-sizefits-all solution, but how do we get the powers that be with the magic checkbook to understand the kind of crisis that we're really in and when
030are we going to be um anecdotally sort of sharing this with the board of finance because I I would love to be there that night and if I have to participate in speak I mean in public comment as a parent and seeing these things because I don't know how long we can sustain this without you know and I think we'll see it in standardized test scores but I think there are going to be other ways this plays out with our um we might see issues with retention we might see you know there's with teacher retention or losing qualified um amazing veteran teachers or even new teachers to other districts and the impact it'll have on student learning like I'm I'm really worried >> well plus too I was asking about the staff question are they
031pulled during planning periods because that's also detrimental to their sort of planning and just sort of mental health. Um so that's why that question asked that question. >> Yeah. And that will be the chain and typically it also depends on the principal and in what way also what level at the secondary level with the block and period schedule it's a little easier to have cover the alabetry it's very difficult >> you have you have a general teacher in front of a class to have six people come through rotations it's not ideal at all for for the age group. Um, so there's different limitations and problems at different levels. >> Well, when you have a fourth grade classroom with 26 students in it, that's my son's fourth grade classroom, 26 students, and now that teacher is
032out and there's no sub. You're taking that classroom and you're dividing the other classrooms have 25 26 students. Now you have a classroom of 30 or so students. How much student learning is is is happening? I mean, how are we really measuring the impact that this is having on classrooms? I mean, that's and again, I can speak anecdotally about this because I've seen it. Um, so how how do we do better? So, my question will be what is the plan to uh potentially budget for more? How are we going to improve our ability to secure subs consistently and how often are we not able to get subs? The second question, I mean it happens daily, right? There's roles that aren't filled um and we have preps are being used. We are splitting classes that's happening
033unfortunately um daily. But I I do want to bring up um an important fact that um I there is a perception out there that are more staff members calling out. So that's something that we've started to do a data dive to examine if that's the case or not. We've done a rough five year glance going from 20 the school year 2018 2019 to present. Obviously we have co in the middle of that. So, I'm having a hard time with the data because looking at COVID, it was a very wonky time. We had a lot of callouts due to quarantine. So, th those are causing issues with the numbers. So, we're going to go back to 2015 to try to get a 10-year look to really see the average. Um, and we're we're pretty consistent. So,
034if you look at the precoid to the postcoid, so the one year prior, the two years after, >> the call out rates, it's it's very similar. Now the reason why there's call outs those are shifting a little bit between your sick days or personal PSL that wasn't added for the state. So we're seeing th that that shift but the overall number of days used are pretty consistent. Um the 24 25 school year there was a 3% increase from the year prior but you you kind of see an eb and flow depending on the year. Um so right now we don't have that consistent data. I'm hoping to crunch that a little more because initially I was curious are we having more call outs if we having more call outs then the correlation to the increased
035sub rate um highization but I'm not seeing that right now >> okay well there were some contractual things too that I don't and I don't know if that we would have seen that realized in 2425 when do we when was when was the uh baft um teacher contract ratified that would would have been >> like about a year ago. >> So that so would that have been in effect? So we're 25 26 school year. So that wouldn't necessarily have been affect 242 school year. >> Yeah. I think this is the first July. >> The first Okay. Gotcha. July 1st. Yes. >> Okay. So contractual could but not I don't know. I have notes that there was like a new law. Is there a new law that had given more days? >> So um FMLA was
036expanded. Uh definitely PSL was expanded. That's probably one of the more impactful ones. And we also have CTPk leave. Um I would say we're actually seeing more of the impact on the nonscertified side with more um paid day offerings due to extended leaves. Um, so I think what we're starting to see is more people will apply for those benefits and if you have that benefit, you're going to utilize it, which if you're a non-certified individual and you have a child, it's a beautiful thing to be able to take 12 weeks paid and have the extra time, but then there's a cost on our side. So, it's that give or take. Well, and you know, I I wonder if we're going to realize any um reduction in callouts with Bristol now um recognizing all of the
037religious holidays because I think that was one um what we would have thought would have been a benefit was less maybe callouts because people were able to they were off on their um practice holiday. So that would be kind of an interesting um but this is helpful. So we're not necessarily seeing um a marked increase in callouts and that's what's impacting subuse. It's it's probably that we pay poorly. >> That's part of it. I mean now if if we were to try to catch up for inflation, you're really going to feel it. So I think what a lot of school districts are doing are those incremental increases. that rate hasn't gone up in in years. So, that's part of the issue as well. Now, they're trying to catch up. It's challenging to catch up. We're
038doing the incremental increase. It's a $5 a day increase every year. They're keeping up with inflation. Now, we have a gap. >> Right. Right. Well, okay. That was good information. Thank you. Anything? Never been much. Thank you. Appreciate it. I have the cafeteria report now. Okay. Our cafeteria snapshot at November 30th shows a surplus of 155,903. We served our scholars 43,835 breakfasts, 87,89 lunches, and 1442 snacks in November. Questions? Can we borrow some money from their $155,000 and 900 15593 surplus or something? >> Okay. >> So, is that a no? >> No. >> Would be a no. >> But I'm glad that they have a surplus. That's great. >> That is great. Yes. And I was happy to have, you know, opportunity to see the um amazing cafeteria workers at Bristol Eastern. Superintendent White, Chair
039Pon, and I got to go and they're so committed and hardworking and were really like enthusiastic about the work that they do and the service they provide. So, it was great to see. We got to talk to some students and got some ideas about what they liked and what they might want to see for meals. And I think we'll hopefully be able to circle back to that soon. But, um, it was really heartwarming to see. So, it's great to see that they're being, you know, successful on the fiscal end as well. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. Anything further? Any question? I do have a question just about the net loss that's carried over. >> Can you speak to that a little bit? Like how does that get addressed? >> One second. >> Yes. So the
040net loss that's carried over it they're running on a surplus that they've had since COVID because during the COVID years we were 100% reimbursed for all of the lunches and breakfasts and all of the meals that were served. So every year that is dwindling. So they even though they have a surplus and they carry over these funds you know for the past several years they do operate in a deficit every year. So they've probably got another two maybe three years of this surplus. Anything further? >> Thank you very much. >> Thanks. I just have one last thing. I have my appropriation transfers. Um I did do one large appropriation transfer this year. I have reappropriated funds from in town special education transportation to out of town special education transportation. So because they weren't using them
041in the in town, but we did need them for the out of town. >> Okay. So did we budget more for the in town than anticipated or is there some >> I think Yeah, I think that they were just overbudgeted in that particular line. Yeah. >> Okay. I know that we were probably budgeting a little bit higher because we we saw a cost in uh gas and >> Y >> um Okay. Okay. Well, so that's good to see. >> That was good news. Sure. >> The the transportation for out of district special education students, is that remaining pretty steady or did we underbudget there or was there like an increase in >> No, he's we're overbudget in that particular line. That line tends to usually always run over. >> Okay. >> Um just because so
042many of our students he you know they try to start off with a couple of students per ride and now they can't ride together or there's an issue. So they have to separate some of the kids. So that that tends to just kind of grow as the year goes on. >> And are we um what are our who are our major contracts with? Is it beline? >> Beline, Curtain, Ambassador. Um those are the big ones. >> Okay. Great. Thank you so much. >> Thanks. >> All right. Uh anything further, Mr. Ledger? Okay. So we have next uh pupil personnel services report. Mrs. Martino, good evening. Good evening. So, I will report on the enrollment trends. As of December 1st, 2025, 1,779 of the 7,874 enrolled students are identified as requiring special programming. This enrollment, this
043enrollment reflects 22.59% of the total EPS population. As of December 1st, we had 123 students attending out of district programs and we also had 88 students requiring special education programming services at other public schools that include magnet. During the month of November, we had 68% of the newly enrolled students registering requiring special education services. I did however put the number of students because that's quite a high percentage. Oh, so 19 of the 28 students who moved in required special education programming. >> So it's just like an anomaly because it's so much higher to all the other. >> Um it could be. I mean it does eb and flow. Um but it was considered a high number. I mean 19 out of 28 students coming into district all at once is a pretty significant um move
044and we do tend to see that like in August there are months that step. Um and then during the month of November there were 33 211 and 691 to calls. I have questions about the enrollment numbers before I talk about budgets. >> Do you have the state averages? We usually are right around the state average or sometimes a little are we a little higher than state average >> in terms of overall >> overall? Yes. >> Uh there's quite a discrepancy. So the state has come up. I can't tell you exactly. I want to say it's about 17%. Oh, >> we're trending, you know, much higher. It used to be the 11%. >> Why did I think >> Yeah, I don't know why I was thinking they were 20%. >> I don't believe that. >> Or
045maybe we were 20%. >> We might have. I believe it's 17 and we're 202. Okay, gotcha. Um, but I do have to say, you know, I did share recently with our central office that, you know, with some of the cuts that we needed to make this past year, one of my worries is that because there aren't those support staff and the interventionists in the middle, it is impacting special education. So, we're seeing a significant increase of referrals to special education or special education staff being needed throughout the day for things other than special education services. And and that does make me worry. I even from my end, the intervention uh for people in the middle, those support staff are really required because we are going to see an impact fiscally. Well, and I also Yeah,
046I 100% agree and I think, you know, not having those ISTs and other intervention supports, it's going to impact SRBI. Um, it's going to, you know, and and so you're going to see a higher percentage of students being identified because you're not the general education teacher is not able to conduct SRBI with high fidelity. You can't can't blame it on the general ed teacher doing the best they can, but you you can't do do assessment, one-on-one assessment when you have 24 25 other kids in the classroom and then document trends to see whether or not tier 2 instruction is going to move the meter. I mean, you just can't do it. There's a it's a crisis. And I, you know, I speak with teachers, students all the time, but I think even all of our
047leaders, we've heard it loud and clear from every single building the impact this is having across the board. So, um, you know, I do need to just share that even from the special ed lens, yeah, it's impacting every >> We're in crisis. And I also think um and I'll be the one to say this that it could also put the district in a a some precarious legal situation because if you're not able to implement the IEP and you don't have the supports and it's not being done, I hate to say with fidelity because it's not because people don't want to do it well, but because they it's a resource issue and we're not able to really provide, you know, the the the appropriate level of intervention and education that students need, you know, that can
048you can only sustain that for so long. So, you know, I've shared pretty transparently with our team and I do in the budget season, you know, at from a special education standpoint, there are going to be things that are non-negotiable and it is going to be um pretty pervasive. At the same time, we're also needing that on the regular education side. So, you know, we can't continue to pay Peter to rob Paul and there is nothing more that we can cut. >> So, I would not be surprised if you see a pretty significant ask on both ends because we have truly been taking for so long, there is nothing left. And I do think as we as we um come up to budget season and I appreciate what Superintendent White did last year and what
049you all did collectively is you you threw the real numbers out and even though it looked like a 12% increase and there was a flabbergast let the numbers speak for themselves. We we can't keep bandating situations. We can't keep bandating. You know, there's a reality and we have to speak to that reality. And as we come up the budget season, I fully support the real number, the real down and dirty, gritty, like this is what we need to support our students. And is this, you know, as long as I'm able to, you know, sit in this position and have a microphone, you know, um because I see it. And it's not just because I have my own children. They're all our children. we have to support every child um and make sure that our staff
050are supported and um you know I I'm I'm preaching to the choir. I'm just really worried as well. So um again when are we and what is our approach in making the people who need to be aware aware like what are we doing? Are we are is this going to be part of what we share um the board of finance when when are we presenting to them as a district? When is it? >> So I'm presenting my proposed budget on January 24th. >> But in December are we presenting to board of finance and >> March month? Yeah, >> that's what I like. What date is that? Like what are we doing it this month? Yeah. >> Yes. >> That's okay. Two Tuesday the 16th. Gotcha. Okay. I'm just wondering, you know, are we taking every
051opportunity to let them know how critical because I I know we've had the conversations about the dashboard and the things that they want to see. Um, and you know what are our presentation going what's our presentation going to look like you know next Tuesday? Is it going to include just the standard like here's what we're running here or are do we have opportunities um for that sort of anecdotal piece about what's really happening in the district and the impacts the budget deficit is having. I mean, I know I share on my special education report. So, the city did ask for some trend data. So, last month, I did share that while our out of district numbers are staying pretty stagnant, the costs have exponentially exploded. And I shared why. I also showed how much our
052student needs have grown, how much our program needs have grown, how much just nursing services, half a million dollars just to December 1st we've spent this year. So those needs um I think I shared every month and I kind of said like please don't be I want you to be prepared that you're going to see what we really need in special education. So I've given the warnings each time and shared the trends. >> Yeah. >> Um but I agree it needs to be an ongoing and they need to see hear and see how really pervasive >> I don't want them to be shocked you know necessarily in January. I think it unfortunately it's it's a daily struggle and it should be I think it should be just part of our conversation with the board of
053finance. So that's just this is my personal opinion. Um so that they they really know that it's not going away and it's and it's not because the district isn't using all the resources it does have to its greatest potential. It's just there's not enough. >> Thank you. I have one additional uh report. And so my finance report is a little bit different than Miss Bonds. Um and I shared that last month. I shared that at the city as well. She's looking at the lines in special education as they're fully encumbered. I'm looking at them monthtomonth as I'm expending the funds. And the reason that I do so is because I do want to see what I'm actually spending monthto monthth. And while encumbrances are important, I love that she has that, you know, because we
054have students in and out of this district so much. Um, I can't rely on the expenditures from a month-to-month uh from a director standpoint. Um the other thing that is so hard as Miss Bon has said is because we don't uh necessarily know the amount to come in. It's really hard to know where we stand. So that's why I go uh based on the expenditure. So I just wanted to explain. >> I appreciate that. >> Um but you know this sheet here um is the one where I'm uh really highlighting what is in the line and what um has been expended as of the first of the month. So um from my perspective they are trending where I would expect them to trend. I think I've said since September every single month I just want
055to make sure everybody remembers that I was overly on ESY. I will that was p primarily because professional services and contractual obligations and um uh yeah we're still waiting for the tuition revenue, Medicaid and excess costs. Um I'm not worried at the moment. Um but that always is dependent upon, you know, student needs and then also what we receive in. >> How well do we do with Medicaid? Do we find that people are um consenting to the reimbursements? >> So we have a fairly good consent rate. Um, I don't know if you're aware, but Barbara Man in my office, our data manager, she is fabulous because not only does she every month, um, really any consent that is not she's sending it, please see if we can get this, but she also monitors the logging
056rate and she sends very friendly emails to say, "Please don't forget, you need to have this done by this day because we need that." And so we do that so frequently um that I do think it helps to bring revenue in. >> Oh, good. That's good to hear. Good efforts. >> I think I might have asked the state board, but I don't remember. I I know that you applied for the excess cost December 1st. When would we hear or when do you get >> I think we get our first installment in February. >> Okay. So, I'm hoping it was just shy of 20 million. the first and again that one I have to give a shout out to Miss Mo Mosa, Miss Hoda because she itemizes every single expenditure that comes through my office and
057we apply for every single thing we can. >> Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Next, we have student activity accounts through November 30th, 2025. Bristol Central Athletics began the year with a balance of 53,78155 at 17,859 in expenses and 26,23574 in receipts leaving a balance of 62,21670. Please note that this bal of this balance 22,18788 is gate fee net income and the remainder is fundraising proceeds for the individual sporting teams that only they can access. The Bristol Central High School Student Activity Fund began the year with 155,10557. They had 30 30,78848 in expenditures and 32,84032 in receipts leaving a month month- end balance of 157,15741. Bristol Eastern Athletics began the year with 18,57298. Um they had a total of 15,38729 in expenses and 12,47053 in receipts leaving them a balance of 15,65622. And
058also on this one, please note that of this available balance, 4,23032 is gate fee net income and the remainder is fundraising proceeds for their individual sports teams. The Bristol Eastern Student Activity Fund began the year with 147,12242. They had 32,78741 in expenditures and 62,27152 in receipts, leaving a month-end balance of 176,6053. Questions? >> Questions. Um, are we, and it may have been included in these numbers, but it's easier just to ask, for Bristol Central, Bristol Eastern, are we bringing in any donations at these athletic events, um, gate fees that are not required gate fees, but that people are donating? >> Yes. Yes. So, part of the revenue, and I can tell you, hang on, let me go to the schools. So on Bristol Central's for example, um the re the first line where it says
059athletics, they brought in 4,0141. So that would be gate fees and any donations. And then on the Bristol Central side, um, for their top line, they brought in 3,68402. Okay. So, Bristol Central is 4,01. And then, >> Yep. And Bristol Eastern 3,68402. And I'm sure that es and flows a bit with >> I think though depending on the season and what sport season you're in and you know if it's a big game >> okay >> thank you >> I do have just like a I randomly noticed in the investment account for versal central there's like a loss of 35,000 that was just curious >> that just got moved so that was a CD that got moved and rolled over into another account. >> Yep. They have a bunch. Both high schools have several CDs. And
060so you'll notice every once in a while as those are expiring, they get rolled over into different funds. >> Did we see any um costs or whatever um with the the battle of the bell game? >> Yes. So we just actually made those deposits. My office made those deposits on Monday. They went to the bank. So, um I don't have the final total, but it was roughly I want to say roughly $14,000 was brought in. Um but we have to deduct out I think our startup was $6,000 and then some other miscellaneous expenses like cost of making the tickets um paying some of the staff. But usually we net about 4,000 for per school. And so I think that's close to probably what we'll net this year. next month I'll be able to give you
061the the actual totals. Perfect. Yeah. >> Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. >> Okay. Uh we've got the operations committee which is I guess a subset of finance but it's um five-year CIP review. Mr. Fusco, how are you? >> Good evening. Good. >> Okay. Um, what I'd like to do is present the CIP tonight and I would love to answer questions as we go along. Okay? Because there's a lot here, a lot of data, a lot of money, a lot of ambition over the next five years for the district. So, where we start with this is we use predictive uh maintenance to formulate our CIP, which is all data driven, okay? based on what we see, the life expecties of the units, what we spend for money, how we can support these buildings as
062we go along. >> This is a small f smallest font ever. >> Uh yeah, >> I think I'm going to pull it up. >> What you'll see is the top job is Bristol Central High School. I've got uh the total amount is we are requesting is 22,100,000. Uh what we're looking for this year, we're going to ask the city for is 2 million uh 210,000 and that's going to be soft cost money that will help us develop a plan so that we can replace the rooftop mechanicals at the high school. Last year the city did grant us money for the roof that was bundled into this job. The reason why this number is parsed out is because we've already got the money for the roof, the commitment from the city and the soft bus money
063for the roof component, but we wanted to also include mechanicals as well as it makes sense to be up there and to do two of these items. We sorely need uh mechanical upgrades at both high schools. Both of these high schools make up they comprise 500,000 square feet of your 1.4 4 million square foot portfolio and these schools haven't really had any love. I'll use the word love since 1999 and even in 99 the love was sparse sparing. There were a lot of things that did not get done. So I'll start with central. That's the whole reason why I'm asking for 2,210,000 so we could devise a plan for the rooftop capital. Any questions? What does that um process look like to develop the plan? >> Okay, I'm glad you asked that question. So, what
064we would basically do is we start with our switch gear, our existing switch gear and make sure whatever we put up there on the roof is going to be able to be supported by the existing switch gear and we may have to make some switch gear modifications. So, that's why you're looking at this $19 million number that we believe fit. Also, we have to do a dunage structural report because the weight of the units that are there now may change depending on what we're putting up there. Um, there's going to be some control work. There's going to be some duck work modifications that need to be made as a result of the duck work modifications. We're going to get into classrooms. We're going to be doing some ceiling tile removals, but there's going to be
065some finish work as part of it. The other thing is there's no point in going with like for like what we have now. In 1999, the the push was that you wanted to bring in 100% fresh air all day long, and that's not cost-effective. I mean, we talk about doing LED lighting projects, and that is lowhanging fruit compared to what we could save with what we have in today's world for modern technology. What I would envision you'll see and the engineers will push for is demand control ventilation, which monitors your parts per million carbon dioxide emissions. And then you will modulate dampers and you will bring in fresh air as needed. Not just 100% all day long like leaving all your windows open house just doesn't make sense from an energy standpoint. The other thing
066is we need to control humidity because as you're all aware with climate change we deal with a lot more humidity and it's a lot harder to control humidity when you keep your windows open or you bring in 100% fresh air. So we only have tempered air at the high schools. The misconception is that it's pure conditioning. It's not. It's temporary. So on a 100 degree day or 90 degree day, let's use that as as an example. If I have summer school at central, it's coming in in the morning. I turn on the makeup air units. It's bringing in 90° air. It goes across a 60°ree coil. Maybe now I'm pushing 80° air into the classroom. It only gets one pass over the coil and then it exits the building. So tempered air is great on
067a 75 degree day, low humidity. It makes you feel really good. It doesn't work in today's climate and it really has its limitations. U these units are also 20 excuse me 99 to 25 26 we're looking at you know close to 27 years when they were made their R22 is the refrigerant that was outlawed in 2009. 410A took its place that got outlawed this past January. So the other thing is R454 will probably be the refrigerant that gets will be the basis of design for these future units and they're very new. So we're going to be exploring again with an engineer and uh the design professionals to figure out what's going to be best suited for this this application. >> Mr. Husco, remember when we were at Southside School with the lieutenant governor >> and
068there was the HVAC the grants and they are they opened it up and expanded it and all we have to apply like any any potential there. >> We do go after uh every opportunity. Unfortunately, we're competing against 168 other towns and cities for that money that they they talked about. We were very fortunate to get money at first southside because when when the city went into that endeavor, there was no grant money available. So we kind of retroactively went after the money and the state said, "Hey, great. You've got a finished product. Can we come out and see it and now we will take favor and give you an opportunity that some of that state money." So we were a little ahead of some of the other but we didn't do it because we were
069trying to be ahead. We did it out of necessity. Um, we needed to have that upgra upgrade desperately >> because there's a monthly, right? Isn't it a monthly application? Commissioner Gilman indicated it's a monthly application and it's not a competitive grant program. >> Right. >> So, I'm just wondering if >> if we can get some approval through the local board and then get over to city hall and get some traction here. I've taken a run at these jobs. These are not new. These have been on the board for two or three or four years now. And I' I've not had a lot of success. I've advocated and I've gotten push back and I've just >> Oh, gotcha. Okay. >> You know, we ended up getting the roof money reluctantly because we had a failure of
070of another Miller roof at a different school. >> Right. Right. >> Right. So, I had board of finance people up there. They come up to visit Central. They loosen their purse strings finally. >> Yeah. >> And and but but but they didn't give me all of what I was asking for. >> Okay. >> Eastern is right behind it. So, not to belabor this conversation, but you know, you'll see Eastern, we're looking for soft costs, right? 3,328,000. That's we're going to hope to get a roof and the mechanicals. So, that's why your soft cost money is higher because we also have to hire an architect to do the roof on it. Okay. So, then we'll be looking the following year. We're going to go back to the city and ask for 29,9,000 thereabouts. That number could
071change because again it's hard to predict the cost. We use rough calculations when we put these numbers together. But until you get a defined plan with an engineer and you know exactly what you're going to get and you know basis of design and you have to make sure all of those other things done switch gear all those will we have to do some additional control work? That's a possibility. Right. So, we're going to give you next year hopefully really, really tight numbers that we can bring over to the city, but we're in a developmental development stage to get there. And we want to do it, do it once, do it right, and then those schools hopefully this component will be good for the next 20 to 25 years. The other thing, and again, don't want
072to get too much into my world because it's very boring, but we have steam boilers at both icebergs. Steam is on its way out. Nobody does steam anymore. At some point with with the design professionals, we have to talk to them and say, "Okay, maybe we don't specify the rooftop units, the new package units to have steam coils like they do now. Maybe we have to look at the approach towards a hydronic system and that would involve perhaps a shell and tube heat exchanger in the boiler room. So we like Southside, we have steam, but then we go through a heat exchanger and we make hot water. So, we may have to do that's something we've been thinking about internally, but we just have to get there and then slowly phase out of the steam
073over the next 10 15 years. It's it's it's a it's a very expensive process. You've got huge buildings, 235,000 square feet plus or minus in each one. It's a lot of it's a lot of real estate. And unfortunately, we've done it all and it it one time, you know, like it was built, schools were built, and then they started to age in 99. They did some stuff. Um, and then they didn't do a lot. And now here we are. We're 60 years into that into those high schools. And you know, so that leads me down to I don't want to get ahead of myself, but those are what we're looking for. We're moving cannabis. If you look at the next job, it's a security upgrade. We're looking for 1,350,000. We've asked for some money in
074the past in the year past and now what we want to do for equity purposes is all schools will get the same uh cameras. So the initial ask was for Bristol Central, Bristol Eastern, Chippens, Hubble, and West Bristol or Green Hills. It was a tiebreaker on that as to where the money was going to go. So we move one of the will be a K5. We'll move that over into the column with ID, Mountain View, Stafford, and Southside. That's for this one, million300,000. So, this is the ask we're going to have. So, you'll have your all your cameras up to where you want them to be across the building. Okay? So, everybody will get a fair piece of the action. So, that's that's that money. Um, as I look in the out years, okay, one
075of the things that I've gone in front of the CIP committee with and we've moved these out 27 28 targeted alterations at both high schools. So, what I mean by that is, okay, when I come to these board of ed meetings and I sit in the audience and I listen to kids get up and parents and they talk about uniforms and the band and the theater and all the things, right? It's not just always sports, not always all athletics, right? There's other. So what I did is we bundled alterations for both schools. The number one would be to get into the auditoriums, theater auditoriums because they didn't get anything in 99. If you go into our auditoriums at both high schools, there are times when it's a little on the embarrassing side. You've got caution
076tape over broken seats. You've got hazardous, you know, asbestous floor tiles, right? All the things that got overlooked during the renovation or the alterations that they did in 99. And that's your first look as an eighth grader going into high school. You come in with your parents. You want to meet the new you want to see the new school. They take you into the auditorium. It's not a great look. So we I had the company that did uh the Baines Theater did an assessment for me and I've given that to the CIP folks last year for to look at and to try to just justify the job. Unfortunately, they didn't they didn't embrace the theater renovations, but I think that's something that still needs to exist because I don't see that school getting renovated anytime
077soon and and theaters aren't getting any better. The auditorium, you know, going down also because I want to be fair and equitable to everybody. Our gym floors and our bleachers at the high schools are aged. So, gym floors are in dire need of replacement. The bleachers are getting harder and harder to support. We've got rollers that are broken, cables, harder and harder to get them in and out. We host a lot of events. And then on the tail end of this, you'll see AMC pipe, ancillary piping, and radiators. Those are things in those high schools. There's a lot of piping in the tunnels, in the basement, steam piping. So if there's any money left over uh out of what the ask we're looking for in 2728, we would divert that funding over to some of
078the other infrastructure things that get ignored or just don't make it into the operating budget. Questions? You're talking fast and I try to slow it down. >> No, that was help. >> Too much too much sugar. Uh so anything if nothing else then we can we'll move down the list. Okay. And we're looking out five years. So I um priorities can change along the way. So the next one is uh Stafford School. Renovate is new. Stafford is uh one of our oldest schools and really has a lot of original features from when that school was built. Ventilation, switch gear, uh boilers. It's it's it's it's getting up there in age. It does have a new roof. Uh but that's probably the only thing that's been uh put into that school in the last uh four
079years of review. So that really does need to be looked at. And in 2728 we would ask for uh 6,100,000 with the thought that that could become a project follow in 2029 54,900,000. Again these are today's dollars. Those dollars can change, but as every year as we approach the CIP, we have to be mindful that we'll make adjustments. So, board of ed commissioners, you'll see changes in numbers, but we're going to we're going to do our best to give the city an idea what we're what we're looking to do. I I'm a big believer in they get to see the projects, so they know what's coming at them. The numbers obviously can change, but at least they know we're somewhere in the ballpark at the end of this story of $261 million, right? no surprises
080and that number could grow because again more features more things that need to be that so any questions on Stafford's school >> what will happen if it doesn't get the renovations it needs >> what's going to end up happening at Stafford is very much what was happening over at city hall back in 2017 it's your risk for failure it was basically what's your tolerance for failure if you don't put money in there so many different things that could go wrong. You can't even anticipate what the next failure would be. So, what I mean by that is there's tunnels. We had a steam leak over Thanksgiving weekend. I was in the building twice. I didn't see the steam because I just didn't go in tunnels. I went in to check to eat, but I didn't realize
081that we had a steam leak and it it got up in some of the classrooms. So, it did some damage and we'll take care of that. But it's just little things and it wasn't wasn't a catastrophic in in in dollar amounts. It was probably $100 worth of failed material. Had a 1- in uh pipe brought through and it released ste. But it it was in a confined space. So you have a little door and it's got to go in there with two people and you have to use an environmental meter when you go into that confined space. We don't go in there a lot. Go in there if if there's a problem. We had a problem. But we'll deal with it and that's just part of life. But to answer your question, sooner or later
082you run out of run out of options. Can't support a lot of that stuff. A lot of just it just they just don't support a lot of systems. Fire alarm system is outdated. Uh it's operational, but it's hard to support it. You know, we cannibalized pieces out of Edgewood uh the old system that was there because it was was an exact replacement for Stafford. So, we've got it in safe place in the event you need a board or circuit, you know, different circuits and stuff. But again, this has to get addressed at some of them. Um, you can't stay in a building forever and ever and ever. And there's a lot of hazardous material and it's not hazardous where it's a danger, but it exists. the 9 by9 floor tiles and you know there's things
083in there and just over time >> I I would like to say Bristol got its money's worth out of the original uh investment like so many of the buildings. >> Thank you for that. >> Yeah, and I'll advocate for that with the city. I have advocated and I'll continue to advocate. So, um next is your Southside school renovate is new. As you know, we did an HVAC upgrade but we didn't do anything else. windows, doors, parking lots, sidewalks, um floor abatements, bathrooms. So, that is and and that's in the outp that's that's really going out uh into the future. Um the next job jobs that we had that didn't make it through ESSER. We all talked about Chippen Hill Middle School HVAC as well as Hubble's uh school HVAC. Um you're looking at sizable dollars
084there. I don't know, would it make more sense in in the future to to look at it, identify it as a future cost, but maybe it's it's a it's bundled into a renovation project because Chippens is over 30 years older and Hubble's even older. So down the road, do we look at because the reimbursement rate is better for a renovation, you look at maybe bundling and getting a lot of your other things taken care of at the same time. That's that's kind of off in the future. We're we got to get through 26 27 before we go too far, right? Um and then you've got your your um your tracks, your your u your turf fields, the tracks at the high schools and what's projected predicted maintenance with Telus in the future. You know, you
085get about 8 to 10 years. I believe we've got three or four under our belt now on them and at some point those will have to be identified as as need. But that's out in the future and it just lets the city know. But you know, and and there there will be more things added in the future years. But I didn't want to go at the city this year and swamp the boat, right? Asked for too many things just because we weren't successful. So, I think this is a really good 6,888,000 is a realistic bonding number for them that will really start getting us moving in the direction. >> With that, uh, I'm open totally to any questions you may have. >> When are you going to be presenting this to the city? >> As
086soon as they reach out to us and they give us some dates. Normally, it's in February, February, March. they like to start bringing us in and then we'll compete against all the other departments department public works. They all have their >> asksum but we are the largest real estate holding in the city. So um and I I think you know I think we got their eyes open last year when we had the problem at Edgewood and then when they moved up to central I really did have some long conversations with board of finance members and CIP members. They they took it upon themselves to meet me up there and see what we had and they really got a a real good idea where we were and why we asked for hopefully favor grant. >> When's
087the Bristol Central roof replacement committee meeting? Do you know? >> Well, I believe we just asked uh for a member. So, yes, I know Terara's been working on put the building committee together and then get started. >> I'm on that, I think. >> Okay, great. Yeah. So, we can we can >> I was volunte. >> Yeah, that Well, no, it'll be great. We can we standardize our roofs uh a few years back. So, you won't have this checkerboard of different types of roofs. This central has the exact same roof that Edgewood had. It's a builtup three ply tar roof with ballast. >> Nobody does that anymore. I'd like to get that >> really want to get that changed out. We use a 90 mil rubber roof that comes up with 30 years warranty. >> Probably
088all of us will be on to other things in 30 years. So we'll leave we'll leave the district in good hands, right? So that that would be the but yeah so and and Eastern has a PVC with a SAR fil. >> Um Centrals was done in 93. Eastern's was done in 99. Both of them are and and that includes they'll do flashing. It's not just the proofing membrane will be pointing and all the deficiencies that are up above will be safe. That's part of what >> does the state reimbursement change every year? Is that something that fluctuates a lot? >> I believe it does. Uh but it's not drastic. Okay. First of all, >> so um and and you know, again, in fairness, there is a there's a lead lag on this stuff. So we
089go in and we try to get the approvals locally, right? Terara works really hard to move the process, but then there's a lag if the state pushes back at all and you can't anticipate that as you hope that they're going to embrace every project we hand them because on paper it makes sense for us and that's why we don't normally partner up with ESCO's uh unlike a municipal building where they don't get any state reimbursement when they do something. It's all on the municipal taxpayer. we do have that opportunity. So even for energy efficiency and stuff, if you can incorporate it into a project and you get a big reimbursement, it's a little safer bet than than partnering with somebody and hoping that you're going to turn over your >> I think the state just
090found how much money didn't they just find like >> the state has a has got a sliding scale on their money. I know Harford the mayor is going through the same thing we're going through with their school buildings and how much to put dedicated all that good stuff. I know all >> we're all battling. We're all trying to get as much as we can. But >> if we can get the city to embrace these projects, it can at least we can start the ask process because it does take it does take a fair amount of time. >> Wonderful. Well, thank you for the information. >> Okay. Anything else? Any other questions? I >> think that's good for now. Yeah. Appreciate you. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh any old business before
091the board of the committee and new business? Okay. Then we move on to adjournment. Motion to adjurnn. So moved. All right. Second. We're all in favor and we're out. Thank you very much everyone. Have a good night.