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Saline Area Schools: Board of Education Meeting (09.10.2024)

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YouTube / Saline Video
Date
2024-09-11
Location
Washtenaw County, MI
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22,088 words · about 123 min
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2026-06-10

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001Board members uh apparently we have a quorum.  We're all here and I'd like to ask Jack-elyn  Martin to take a picture for us thank you.  Jackelyn is the correct pronunciation though   right? I don't think so. Well I guess I'm wearing red.  Pronounce peoples name right. Pronounce people's names right.   You look. Well don't stand next to Jennifer  because. Do that. Don't stand next to Jennifer   or Steve because it's black. I have, what color do  you have on Liz? I'm supposed to be wearing blue and   yellow. You have white. You're not supposed  to be. You can wear whatever you want... New hires the protocol is when you approach the front you must bow or curtsy.  You don't believe me do you? Okay. Test For those of you in the audience, you would have noticed our Glee at

002having a picture taken, that's because we finally got   to check that box. It was difficult to  get us all together so thanks for your patience. Falls over the room. The meeting doesn't start till Ben says... We can go now? I'd like to welcome everybody to  the Saline Area Schools Board of Education   meeting for September 10th, throw  that one out, 2024 at 6:30 uh could   you please as you able to stand for the  Pledge of Allegiance led by Mr Tim Austin. Thank you very much. Dr Laatsch  has a rather important duty   to perform at this point, and he'll explain what it is. Right so at our Board of Education meeting  tonight we're looking forward to welcoming   the 66 outstanding educators to the Saline Area  Schools, and of these 66 new hires, 27 are SEA so   that'd be

003the Saline Education Association, 33 are  Education Support Personnel, 1 is in SASAA the   Saline Administrative Association, 2 our central  office members, and three are unaffiliated. So many   of the new hires are here today, so that you can  meet them in person, and we're going to ask for   a everybody to uh line up in just a minute, and  we're going to ask you to come up to the podium   and state your name, position, assigned  building, and how many years you've been   in education. So and then oh afterwards we will  get into the rest of our meeting, but we'd like   everybody to, after they've introduced  themselves to meet over here and then   once that's done, we will applaud and then  you are free to go. You do not have to stay for   the entire meeting. So with

004that said  if we can line up by everybody coming up and by getting in a row or a line, starting whoever wants to be first...and everyone else starts files in here. And then we will go ahead who...with this impressive group so here we go. Thank you. My name is Laura Naar. I'm  the new art teacher at the High School   and I'll also be teaching ceramic um and  I have, this is my 23rd year teaching thank you. Yes okay. Hello my name is Jason Murphy  I am a 14 year resident of Saline. I've   been teaching for 23 years and this is my 20th  year as a school counselor, and I'm at the High School. Hi I'm Camille Konrad and I'm  a new sixth grade special education   teacher at the Middle school  um and this is my

005first year teaching. Hello my name is Eric Romans,  Saline Alum Class of 07, this is my   11th year teaching and I'm teaching  8th grade US History at the Middle School. Got to put it down for the short people. Hi I'm Nicole Schingeck I am the new SEL Coach at   the Middle School and this is my 24th year in  the school system. Thank you so much for having me. Hi my name is Emily Real. I'm in  my second year of teaching and I   am at Saline Middle School as a 7th grade  Social Studies teacher, thanks for having me. Hello my name is Nicholas  Ewald this is going to be  my second year in education,  and I am a para educator at Heritage. Good evening my name is  Val Lambert oh I am shorter than   everyone. There we

006go. My name is Val  Lambert, and I am the new art teacher   at Harvest Elementary, and I'm very happy to  be there, and it's my 18th year in education. Yeah. Hi my name is Diamond Hamilton. I am  the new/old SEL Coach um I've been in the   field for about 5 and a half years,  and I'm split between two different schools. Hello, I'm David Brooks. I'm the new Dean of  Students at the High School this is my 18th year. Hello. I'm Christian Kosky. I'm the new Special  Education Teacher in at the Middle School.   This is my first year teaching uh in Saline.  I do have a few more years, I'm not exactly   sure how many total, but have a few more  years, in education so nice to meet everyone. Hi everyone. I'm Kristen  O'Keefe I'm

007a school psychologist   um and I've been teaching 12 years  and I am am 4 days a week at Woodland Meadows. Hi. I'm Dana Schneider. I'm a school  psychologist at Pleasant Ridge as well as the   Early Childhood. I have 10 plus years experience  as a school psych, 20 plus years in education.   I'm well seasoned and my kids graduated from  Saline High School, so it's nice to be back again. Hi I'm Taye, I graduated from Saline and 17 uh I am   a para pro at the Middle School  and this is my 3rd year in education. Hi everybody. my name is Jean  Swisher. This is my first year in Saline   and I have been in teaching off and  on for 13 years and I am at Harvest   doing literacy interventionist or a  literacy tutor. Nice to meet you

008all. Hi, my name is Katie Selenko, and I teach 4th  grade at Heritage, and this will be my second year teaching. Hi, my name is Carmen  Woods. I'm a first year teacher   hired for 4th grade at Heritage, and  I'm excited to be here. Go Hornets. Thank you. Got to put it down for the  short people again. My name is   is Megan LoPresto. I am the new Agro Science  teacher and FFA Advisor at the High   School, and other than my student  teaching year, this is my first year   in teaching so. Well thank, thank you all  much such a great pleasure to meet you all and now...she did. Apparently we already have   your photograph, so you are free to leave.  Thank you so much, class dismissed that right. We just pause for a second. This is the

009public, we're back to the meeting  now, this is the public comment section of the   meeting member of the public may address the  board briefly for up to three minutes or request   to be scheduled on the agenda of a future meeting.  Please note the students will be given priority   to speak on any topic. First public participation  portion of the meeting will be limited to 1 half   hour, 30 minutes, normally and limited to agenda  items. A second public participation portion will   be offered at the end of the agenda to allow  for any other comment. Individuals addressing   the board should take into consideration rules of  common courtesy. The public participation portion   of this meeting can't be used to make personal  attacks against a board member, district employee.   or student. We have one student speaking and one  uh non-student

010speaking so come on up, and I'll   let you introduce yourself, oh and you know  the rules of the timer. Yes I think it's is   it 1 minute or 30 seconds at the yellow? 30, 30  seconds at the yellow left. Thank you. I don't think, I'll   make it, I think, I think mine's, no that's okay.  My speech is a little shorter than it was last time. The timer starts when you speak. Good evening  Dr Laatsch and members of the school board. My name   is Em and I am a sophomore at the High School. I  was at the initial presentation of the proposed   sex ad curriculum in June, and I would love to see  it implemented in Saline Schools. I particularly   appreciate the proposed use of descriptors  other than boy and girl in the new curriculum,   as

011well as the early introduction of male and  female as legal or medical labels and how they   are different from gender identity. I also agree  that topics like consent and harassment should be   taught early and reinforced each year. I could  spend a lot more time than I have listing all   the ways this proposed curriculum is better than  the current one, but I'll leave that to the SEAB   members. I have completed all of the required  health and sex ed classes for K-12 schooling   and I know that the proposed curriculum  would have greatly benefited not only my   education, but also my overall health and student  experience, especially in upper elementary and   Middle School. The new health and sex education  program helps cultivate and promote diversity,   equity, and inclusion among students, which is also  a key component of the

012SAS Compass. It will also   help students build a better understanding of  themselves and others. I hope that you will vote   to approve the proposed curriculum thank you.  Thank you Em. And uh is oh Meghan Gunnerson please. Is is it still on? Okay um my name is Meghan  Gunnerson I'm a parent and I also sat on the SEAB   board this year. I know that we're you are being  presented with your second public reading um I do   not disagree with the content of that program at  all from a parent perspective and professional   perspective. I do again voice some concerns  regarding the target audience for some of the   topics. Some of them are awesome and I would have  loved to see my current high schoolers get them in   their 9th, 10th, or 11th grade year. I'm a little 

013bit tentative about again the target age for some   of the lessons. I believe in the diplomatic  process and the democratic process, and I'm not   here to complain I'm just saying that that is  a concern that I voiced before and I wanted to   state it again, thank you. Well thank you very much,  appreciate that. There are no other public comments   on my roster. Any others? No, great thank you.  The next part of the meeting is response   to previous public comment. I actually don't have  a response precisely to that, but I would like to   take a point of privilege as the chair to say  a very brief statement. Our hearts, all of   our hearts as school board uh trustees and  teachers and parents are with the students,   staff, and families of the Apalachee High School  in Georgia

014as you heard about last week. Well it   should be noted that in the middle of in the midst  of the heartbreak and chaos and reported missed   opportunities to stop the bloodshed, two interv  interventions helped to mitigate the potential for   greater loss of life, one of these was the combined  effort of the school's two very well-trained   school resources officers and the other was a use  of a panic button system similar not exactly the   same as, but similar to our own Informacast system,  that alerted police and other First Responders   immediately. So I'm I'm horribly saddened that we  still need such devices and specialized training   these days, but at the same time these efforts most  likely saved uh many lives community members.   I can report that Saline Schools remains vigilant  and continues to support every effort to keep

015our   children safe. That's really all I have to say  about that right now. Revisions or approval   of the agenda, I'd like to entertain a motion to  approve the agenda as printed or revised. Motion   Gerbe. Gerby to accept the printed motion. Support  Estep. Estep. All in favor please say I. I... Thank you.   We have one action. Is that all in favor say I  did we do that? Okay I just missed the count 7-0.  All right thank you. We have one action item  I'd like to entertain a motion to appoint Susan   Estep as the voting delegate and Michael McVey as  the alternate, representing the Saline Area, Saline   Board of Education at the 2024 MASB Delegate  Assembly being held on Thursday, October 24th, 2024. So moves Steben. Thank you JS. Support Gold.  Thank you LG. Any quick comment you've

016done this   before haven't you um Susan? Like forever, right  I think all except for my first year maybe? And   I appreciate and I appreciate that because as the  alternate I've never been called upon so thank you,   thank you. Yes I I I enjoy it very much sometimes  it can be a long process and you know some things   that um people come up and um you wouldn't think  be would be controversial but so um yeah it's   really good to to vote on that and hopefully um  everybody can take take the opportunity to read   it after we get um that packet as well, but if  whenever we do get the packet um please let me   know if um you because I represent the board there,  um so let me know if there's any uh questions you   have

017or if you all want to submit um anything on  the floor u a proposal or um for resolution um I   can do that for for us. Thank you appreciate that  any other questions comments queries quibbles no?   All in favor please say I. I... Opposed. Great hearing  none. Thank you Susan, I'm sure you'll represent as well. We've now come to the SEAB Hearing Number  2. I have a brief introduction you guys can   get yourselves you know psych yourself up uh  I just like to welcome everybody to the 2nd  formal hearing of the Sex Education Advisory Board.  Michigan statutes specify that the formation of   a Sex Ed Advisory Board or as is properly called SEAB,  thank you, with very specific parameters regarding   its makeup and its charge, so according to Michigan  law and our resulting Policy 2418, before

018we vote   to adopt any revisions to the materials or methods  used in sex education instruction the board shall   hold at least 2 public hearings on the propos  proposed revisions. We've had our first already   and tonight we'll hold our second public hearing  this evening's Board of Ed meeting has a quorum of   board members so tonight we are joined at the  table by Co-Chairs of the Sex Ed Advisory Board   Kristen Hoffman-Peavler, wave, and a parent in the  district and Cameron Cochran, School Administrator   in the district thank you very much. Now we know  who's who. I would also like to note that 2   board members were active participants on this  committee during the year, Trustee Susan Estep and   Trustee Lauren Gold. The meeting will consist of two  possibly three parts, uh the co-chairs will provide   an overview presentation

019of the revisions to the  curriculum, members of the board may pose questions   to them related to these revisions, although we did  pose quite a few questions the first time around   so we might have fewer questions, and um I'm going  to break with tradition and open the floor to   questions directly related to that from the public  rather than have you wait to the very end of the   meeting, if that's okay, and um again we'll stick  within the 30 minute guideline I don't know if   we'll have many questions, but uh we'll keep it at  that. So on those words I'd like to hand this over   to you uh Kristen Hoffman-Peavler and Cameron Cochran.  Point. Yes. Sorry point of order um are you talking   about public comments, after clarifying questions  following their presentation, yes. Okay so Q&A kind  

020of thing. Yes okay um and if I could es especially  if they are straightforward clarifying questions I   knew I had left out a line. Okay I didn't know if  we needed to vote on moving it up or we'll still   have well this is going to be part of their  presentation, the question part. Okay. They're   prepared to answer a few questions right skill  testing questions. Okay thanks. Thank you thank you   Susan appreciate that we, no need to change the  agenda for that this is the presentation thank you. All right, here we go, thank you all for  gathering for the second public hearing on   the recommendation of a new sexual education  curriculum for 4th through 8th grades   here in Saline. We are excited to,  oh we got clicker going here too me there we go here let's

021let's rock and roll.  We're excited to present this information to   the stakeholders of Saline Area Schools after  many years of work by the members of multiple   terms of the Sex Ed Advisory Board uh we'd  like to start this evening with a brief tour   of our current Sex Ed curriculum, following that um  we'll talk about our students need for an updated   curriculum, then introduce our recommendation  to the public and the Board of Education. I'd   like to thank members of the Sex Ed Advisory Board  for their work on this again this is uh multiple   uh iterations of the SEAB in the making uh we've  spent the past year with this current round of   SEAB putting uh these recommendations together. I'd  also like to thank members of the community and   staff for their uh feedback over the past

022several  months uh since the first public hearing. So what   does SAS currently use for sex ed curriculum in  the 4th through 8th grade. The term inadequate   is not one that I would usually ascribe to  anything associated with Saline Area Schools,   however anyone with the most basic  knowledge of our current adolescent   health programming would agree that we can  do better, by our students, in this regard. So, great, you can see that uh in fourth and fifth  grade uh the information on the concept of puberty   has not changed uh since the uh introduction of  this curriculum that we are currently using um   the ways that students, oh thank you, got it  um thanks uh so the ways in which students   engage with educational content certainly has  changed uh the videos are so outdated that the   information is

023getting lost uh in the awe of the  olden days. So sadly we have teachers on staff at   Heritage that as 5th graders viewed the exact  same videos as our current students um in both in   Saline and other districts with the only change  uh thing being different is that uh they were   using a VHS player at the time. So in 6th  and 7th grade at the middle school level   our current curriculum centers on the science  of mammalian and human reproduction uh which is   of course important experiences for students to  have in their science classes, the bulk of the   text is from 2002 with some updates in 2010 the  SEAB felt that there was a need for more robust   adolescent health uh experiences at that level,  and then in 8th grade the current curriculum   uses select lessons

024from the 2010 version of the  Michigan Model for Health Curriculum. For context   next year's 8th grade class, this year's eighth  grade class, were newborns are not yet born when   that curriculum was was written. Since the early  2000s the district has made many improvements   in a variety of areas uh we have heard from  students, staff, and families anecdotally and   through survey research uh survey responses that  improvements are needed to our adolescent health curriculum. So, we need an update, the big  thing that is very different from when these   first curricula were um written and introduced  is um the internet, with the internet at their   fingertips children are accessing, sending, and  receiving more sexually explicit information   at younger ages than their parents did. This isn't  something that our generation had to deal with or   face we had to

025like sneak pictures, sneak looks  at magazines and you know uh gas stations and   things like that it wasn't just available to us  all the time. 21st century kids have to learn how   to navigate the quick and easy access they  have to developmentally inappropriate sexual   materials. Did you know that 54% of kids have seen  or access porn before the age of 13 and that the   average age of first porn access is less than  12 and in fact for um boys it's about 10 and a   half and girls it's just under 11 and a half  and we know that so far sexting does occur in   our district in 5th through 12th grades. It is  imperative that we help kids make safe choices by   giving them useful and accurate information to  guide them, today's students need comprehensive,   evidence-based,

026and inclusive curriculum in order  to provide them with timely and accurate sex ed  information before they become sexually active.  Myriad studies show that the sooner that we start   developmentally appropriate teaching about sexual  health, both at home and at school the safer kids   are and remain for longer. Another reason uh  why we needed update is that there is a new   law in the State of Michigan that second um thing  down there in July 2023 the Michigan legislature   enacted Senate Bill 66, that requires all Michigan  school districts to teach and provide material   on sexual assault and consent to all students  6th through 12th grades. This is similar to the   HIV law in that it is required teaching that is  separate from sexual health education and that   means that regardless of whether or not a district  chooses to

027adopt a formal sex ed curriculum they   still must teach about HIV and AIDS and now sexual  assault and consent. A new curriculum will satisfy   that new law requirement. We also have new survey  data in 23 Saline Area Schools completed a survey of   stakeholders of students, staff, and caregivers to  identify the community's thoughts around sex ed   teaching and learning and we're going to review  some of the highlights of that survey in a future slide. As Cameron already talked about, it's clear  that our curriculum is old, and we know that Saline   Area Schools is committed to best practices in  education and sex ed should align with that   miss mission um here's the little [click] clicker.  So let's look at some data, in a newly published   article from the Journal of the American Medical  Association, the onset of

028a girl's first period is   about 6 months earlier than in prior decades. At  the age of just under 12 and this means that when   you think of that bell curve if the middle is 12  that means there's a significant increase in the   number of girls getting their periods at around  eight or nine, and I actually because puberty Is   my jam these days I was at a puberty lecture last  night with these amazing um puberty gurus I don't   know I fang girl like it was Justin Bieber, and they said that it's um and this was a good   reminder for me that the onset of first period  is actually the midpoint for female bodies for   puberty, that they have already had many years  of beginning puberty stages before that fierce   period hit, so if we're not giving

029them education  until that midpoint there's a whole chunk of their   experience that we have not um acknowledged  or addressed. So Washtenaw County you can see   the chart or um the data at the bottom there  Washtenaw County participates in the MiPhy health   behavior survey, on odd school years only, and  you'll notice that this data shows a marked   increase in sexual intercourse from 9th to 11th  grade and this is a clear indicator that what   we're currently teaching is not resonating with  students or affecting the change that we desire   for them, and being able to scaffold information  from middle school to high school should decrease   those percentages. It's also important to note  that of 11 districts in Washtenaw County only 6   participated in these years the MiPhy survey is  the easiest way for our community and for this  

030committee in particular, to track the trends  in in our community, and I would encourage the   district to continue participation at the middle  school and the high school levels so that we can   accurately assess our particular students needs  when it comes to health and safety. So let's look   at some National Data, in the chart that you're  looking at um that is from the National Center   for Health Statistics, and it breaks down by age  the probability that a person has had vaginal   intercourse, you can see that the probability  increases at every age over the two time periods. Equally concerning is that this report tells  us that reported condom use has decreased to   less than 50% for females and to less than 60%  for males, so more kids are having sex with less   protection, and this is only

031vaginal sex. Oral  sex rates are higher at 25 to 28% by the age   of 16 and also begins at an average younger  age. So how do we help our kids? We help them   by acknowledging that sex will be a part of  the human experience for most of us and that   giving our kids accurate information before  the start of sexual activity only benefits them. Saline Area Schools has long been  committed to a comprehensive sex ed   curriculum. What does that mean? It means that  we are teaching students that sexual health   is a whole person commitment. It involves your  body, your mind, your heart, and your head, and   it aims to provide all the information that  you need to make safe and healthy decisions   starting in puberty, through teenhood, and  into adulthood. Does it include abstinence   Absolutely and

032it actually stresses abstinence  as the only 100% effective method of prevention   um for sexual health and well-being. Does a  comprehensive curriculum encourage a child   to have sex? Actually it's the complete opposite,  for decades studies have shown that giving kids   more information actually makes them less likely  to choose to be sexually active and someday when   they do choose to have sex they're more likely  to protect themselves and their partners from STI   and pregnancy. You'll see a few links here  at the bottom, these resources ,and I want to   highlight the first link here it is an excellent  annotated overview from the American Academy of   Pediatrics of the need for comprehensive sex  ed for schoolage children. The other two links   below are two landmark longitudinal studies  that support the link between comprehensive   sex ed and decreased early sexual

033activity and  safer choices, when they finally do choose to have sex. So that 2023 survey that we talked about we're  going to review a portion of that K12 Insight   survey that we we presented to you last year, the  entire presentation is linked in this slide for   your review. We surveyed current caregivers,  students, and staff in our district about the   sex ed scope and sequence that we currently  use. Across the board all stakeholders want   more information earlier for our students, they  want all students included in the curriculum,   including students from different cultures  and LGBTQ+ students, and they want kids   to learn about consent, it was concerning  how many comments there were from students   about sexual assault and dating violence and the  district data does support that anecdotal evidence. Cameron? All right, so Kristen highlighted some of 

034the survey results and feedback from students from   the MiPhy survey and that was in line with parent  concerns and feedback in that MiPhy survey as well. So the hope was with updated  curriculum to have less shame around   um adolescent health around sex  and topics related to puberty and   to so yeah I I would encourage  you to look at those those points, and then a staff summary of concerns as well  from the MiPhy survey, teaching of consent   safe technology usage, again decreasing  stigma and shame, associated with these topics and more inclusive instruction. So since the last public hearing  uh the curriculum has been available for public   review and during that time families and staff  members have provided feedback, while the   overall response rate compared with the total  number of families and staff in our district   uh

035has been low, feedback has been very positive uh  families appreciated the proposed changes as being   comprehensive, age appropriate, and inclusive.  Additionally those that have reviewed the   curriculum and provided feedback appreciate the  holistic approach in addressing topics related to   adolescent health. Some families and staff members  have expressed some concerns related to the new   curriculum and so Kristen and I wanted to take  a few minutes in response to those uh concerns   and feedback. So one of the topics that was uh  addressed in the last public hearing was uh   mention of sex trafficking at the middle school  as a practice that you should be never asked to   engage in, you know being paid for sex or sex  acts and defining that as sex trafficking. The   SEAB after feedback made the decision to remove  that topic and some felt

036that we should leave   it in. At this time we have decided to continue  to keep that topic out of the the proposed   curriculum. Other concerns and feedback from  staff and families uh concerns related to mixed   gender classrooms. So that was a question during  the last public hearing on whether or not we would   be teaching in a mixed gender setting. Currently at  Heritage in the 4th and 5th grade we teach in   uh you know boys are taught with boys girls are  taught with girls and that's uh students go to   the classroom in which they identify with. The  feedback from some staff is that students will be   uncomfortable being in a mixed gender setting  while learning about topics related to puberty   so much so that they won't retain the information  or be able to focus on the

037topics at hand. Our   response to that feedback is that adolescent  health instruction in a mixed gender setting   is seen as the gold standard um for a number of  reasons and primarily uh the setting promotes   empathy and reduces shame around sensitive topics.  The method of instruction also provides a safe   learning environment uh for all students within  their known cohort, since trusting relationships   have already been built and nurtured in their  classroom. If I'm a fourth or fifth grader, I would   prefer to have uh my adolescent health instruction  taught by my teacher, who I've known all year, as   adolescent health is taught in the spring. So  again our response to that is that we want to make   sure that students are feeling comfortable,  we acknowledge that there may be families   and students that will not feel comfortable  with

038that, and we want to respect those wishes,   as well. Another concern from staff was um defining  masturbation at the fifth grade level and our   response to that is that masturbation is a normal  and healthy part of human sexuality and it's   difficult for us to pair the idea of masturbation  and kids but we grown-ups are looking at   masturbation through an adult lens and kids on the  other hand learn very early usually in toddlerhood   that masturbation feels good and relieves stress,  and it's not considered a sexual act to children,   they're not carrying the baggage of adulthood  and the things that we know um in the same way   they just know that something feels good. So by  naming and defining masturbation in a simple and   developmentally appropriate way, we reduce shame  and fear around the behavior and we

039define   expectations that this is a private but normal  behavior, as such the committee does agree as a   group that defining masturbation in fifth grade  not fourth just fifth is an appropriate curricular addition. Another concern was related to  defining terms related to gender identity   and or sexual orientation and that it may  be uncomfortable for some families and staff   members as well as students. Our response  is that there's a lot to learn about the   many ways in which humans identify and  express their gender, SAS can provide   lists of resources for staff and families to  learn before or alongside their students, so   that they can be comfortable knowing and using  terms and definitions in a way that feels both   comfortable to the speaker and also models  kindness and acceptance of difference to students. Another concern was the frequent 

040use of the term sexual in different parts of   the lessons without having a definition for sex  for elementary students, this curriculum the   Positive Prevention Plus curriculum does  recommend that sex be defined in fourth   grade, but based on feedback and the committee  discussion that we had um we have chosen to keep   that lesson in sixth grade, as it is currently  taught in Saline Area Schools, um and as we talked   about in the beginning of the presentation is  that kids know way more about sex than we think   they do, and even if they don't have that detailed  definition of sexual intercourse they can intuit   the arena that is being referenced, and um there  what there was a question about whether we could   have an approved definition for the word sexual  for elementary students and a good definition  

041of that is uh sexual is an advocate uh I'm  sorry adjective that describes how people   like or love others and that can it can also  be used to describe body systems and The Human Experience. One final concern that was brought  up by some staff members is the inability to   make changes to the curriculum once it's approved  after going through this process that is mandated   by the state. While the SEAB stands behind  the recommended curriculum as it's proposed   we acknowledge that the process of training  and implementation of this curriculum falls   on district leadership, school administration, and  teachers, the removal of pieces of the approved   curriculum is within the scope of building  stakeholders in collaboration with district   administration and the SEAB. So we want to show  you some highlights of the new curriculum. Our team reviewed four

042different curricula written  for our target age group of the 4th through 8th   grades. We narrowed it down to 2 and then did  a deep dive into those 2 curricula and after   significant discussion, over multiple months, the  SEAB voted unanimously, with one abstention, to   move Positive Prevention Plus forward to the  public hearing process. P3 as we like to call   it, is aligned with National Sexual Health  Education Standards, it is aligned with SAS   Policies, our mission, and our goals, it is an  evidence-based comprehensive curriculum, and   is aligned with best practice in sexual health  education. P3 is regularly reviewed every two   years, but that we also want to point  out that updates would always go through   the Michigan Department of Ed process for sexual  education curriculum and board approval. What   we really, one of the things that we

043really like  about this curriculum is that it grows with our   students using consistent language and methods  of instruction starting in the 4th grade and   then spiraling up into 8th and even beyond.  We will now begin to tell you about some of our recommendations. This is an important time to  remind everyone uh that per Michigan law SAS   families have the right to review curriculum,  resources, and videos ahead of time to observe   instruction and opt their children out of  adolescent health if they choose to do so. Public   review of the recommended updates will still be  available at Heritage School until the curriculum   is voted on by the board of education community  members and staff members interested in reviewing   the curriculum uh and materials are encouraged to  email me or Kara Davis to schedule a time to do

044so. All right so looking at our scope and sequence  for the 4th grade uh one nice thing about the   P3 curriculum is that it is designed to be  flexible that means that districts can create   the sequence of lessons that works for their  particular District um needs and the needs of   their students. In the next few slides we will  give an overview of the recommended scope in   sequence for each grade level and highlight key  parts of lessons in greater detail. The upper   elementary curriculum consists of eight lessons  divided between 4th and 5th grades, currently   adolescent health is taught in 4th and 5th  grades over the course of about one week in the   spring and the proposed curriculum would be  consistent with this in this regard. 4th   and 5th graders are really starting to get a  sense

045of the world around them and who they are   within it. At Heritage we frame a lot of what we  do using The Three Bs be respectful be responsible   and be kinder than necessary. Positive Prevention  Plus at the upper elementary curriculum does a   great job complementing our existing values at  Heritage. In the 4th grade you can see that   there are six lessons that help students begin  to understand some of the changes that they are   currently going through, or will be going through  soon, and support with being a kind and respectful peer.  Anytime conversations around puberty and  reproductive health occur at school, framing the   conversation matters, the P3 curriculum not only  emphasizes why these topics are important, but in   lesson one it goes over how these lessons in class  should go. Lesson 1 establishes group norms and   discusses

046reliable sources of information, but  cautions that some websites can give inaccurate   information and that students should always get  parent permission before going online. Additionally   lesson 1 stresses that a trusted  adult is the best place to go to for information. In 4th and 5th grade  lessons 2 and 3 go over how to be   a good friend, how to manage conflict with  a friend, and how to avoid getting bullied   or taken advantage of by a close friend or  someone else, lesson 3 also discusses   cyber bullying and includes uh and includes  defining sexting as a form of cyber bullying. While topics related to friendship and  peer conflict are covered elsewhere at   Heritage including bullying, tying these issues  to adolescent health gives students an important   reminder that social changes will accompany the  mental and physical changes that they will

047soon   or are already experiencing through puberty.  P3 does a great job using consistent language   throughout the curriculum so that these  concepts and skills build on one another. Some people outside of education may be  surprised at the thought of discussing   something like sexting in 4th grade, while few  students are impacted by cyberbullying and sexting   at Heritage, issues like these have happened, and  occur even more frequently in the Middle School   if we can proactively equip our students with  knowledge and skills around these topics we could   have a positive impact on our students lives  and help avoid some serious missteps. The SEAB   wanted to prioritize accurate information to help  students understand the changes happening in their bodies, we felt that P3 was the best  of the options we reviewed in this   regard. In Lesson 4, puberty is  explained

048as a normal process of   human development that has physical,  mental, social, and emotional impacts. The committee wanted to be responsive to  community feedback about the need for more   inclusive curricula. We appreciated the fact that  P3 utilizes inclusive language and covers topics   such as gender and sexual identity in an age  appropriate way. For example in Lesson 4 which occurs in 4th and 5th grade the  following terms are defined biological sex, gender, sexual identity, gender identity, gender expression, and transgender. These topics are presented and defined in a gentle and developmentally appropriate way research from a variety of sources shows that introducing  these topics in school can help create a safer environment for all students. These definitions   are clear, concise, and make up a brief portion of  the overall unit, any questions related to these   terms will be addressed by encouraging  students to

049speak to a trusted adult at home. Here's what a copy of the first page of  the teacher manual looks like for Lesson 4   which includes handouts for students. You can see the materials and the content covered as well as some vocabulary and objectives. All right, so in 5th grade you'll  notice that there are repeated lessons lessons   4, 6, and 8 and this is purposeful since  spiraling information from year to year will   improve student learning and retention. Note that  in lesson 5 as Kristen mentioned earlier that   part e that defines sexual intercourse will be  removed from 5th grade and moved into 6th.   The lesson still includes reproductive structure  and function for both male and female anatomy and   this is consistent with the current curriculum  scope and sequence, so this is consistent what we   currently teach in 5th

050grade at Heritage. Lesson  5 also defines ejaculation and masturbation you can see here we're talking about private  parts again both reducing stigma, but also   emphasizing the importance for privacy.  One other aspect that's important in this   curriculum is that we're not only talking  about the changes that are happening within   our bodies and about being a good friend and  respectful, but also empowering oneself and   advocating for oneself and we'll talk more about that as we go throughout this presentation. So adolescent health is taught  in the spring at Heritage each year typically   in May. 5th graders will soon be middle  schoolers at this time it is important   to provide this information to students to  prepare them for the changes ahead. Defining these terms in a concise way open up the  opportunity for deeper conversations at home. And as you

051can see the definition  of masturbation is listed on this slide. Lessons 6 through 8 all focus on healthy  habits, lesson 6 is covered in 4th and 5th   grades and reminds students about keeping their  bodies clean. There's also a great video on on   menstruation shown in both grades that covers  what the menstrual cycle is and available hygiene   products. In lesson 7 we fulfill the state law  to teach HIV in every building where adolescent   health is taught. The committee recommends removing  the discussion on other STI in this lesson and   solely focus on HIV. Another important component  of the recommended curriculum is its focus on   consent and refusal skills, in an age appropriate  way, these concepts will already be taught and K-3   buildings during the body safety presentations  that were approved last year, and will be reviewed   during

052adolescent health in the 4th through  8th grades. In lesson 8 consent is covered in   the 4th and 5th grades. The committee had a  lengthy discussion on whether or not to include   this lesson in its entirety because of the mention  of sex trafficking, as an example of something one   should never be asked to do. Ultimately the  committee decided to only recommend showing   the consent video in 4th grade omitting  the rest of lesson 8 at that grade level.   For 5th grade the committee decided uh to  recommend showing the consent video again and   covering Parts C through F of lesson 8 that do  not mention sex trafficking. Parts C through F uh   focus on staying physically and mentally  healthy and some sample slides are shown here. All right so within the P3 curriculum there  are embedded videos within

053each lesson that help   frame the main theme of that uh conversation.  You'll notice that at each grade level the SEAB decided to add some supplemental videos for  some topics these videos are meant to engage   students and to help further explain certain  important concepts. A large majority of these   topics are addressed in the current curriculum.  The recommended updates from Positive Prevention   Plus provide a more engaging modern and inclusive  experience for Saline Area School students. For the   sake of time we will not be showing all of the  6 recommended supplemental videos for 4th   and 5th grades. The videos are listed here and  can all be accessed through YouTube. We will   show the consent video as an example as well as  one of the embedded videos included in lesson 1. If we could show that one Ben and then 

054I may need screencast access for the embedded video. Consent for kids. This is you. Okay it doesn't  look exactly like you, but let's say it's you.   This is your body and you get to decide what  you do with your body, no one else is entitled   to tell you what to do with your body. Not your  friends, not strangers, not adults you know, no one   is entitled to decide what you do with your body  except you, that's called bodily autonomy by the   way, and that's what consent is all about, everyone  is different different, some people love to hug and   some people hate hugs, and each person gets to  decide what they're comfortable with. Can a hug   loving person just start hugging someone at random?  Nope, they need consent. How do people know if they   have consent?

055They ask. Would you like a hug? Yes  I would. Can I hold your hand? I'd rather not   okay if a person doesn't say yes can I hug you um  I uh then they haven't given their consent. It's   really pretty simple. Ask for consent. Listen to  the answer. By the way if a person bribes someone   or threaten someone to say yes that's not consent.  Sometimes adults will try to tell a kid what to do   with their body. Go kiss Aunt Doris goodbye. But the  kid still gets to decide. No thanks that makes me   uncomfortable I'll just wave goodbye. Some things  kids can't consent to they can't enter into legal   contracts, they can't vote, and they can't consent  to sexual stuff, cuz there kids. So if an adult does   something that kids can't consent to that's not

056okay. The adult is wrong and it's not the   kid's fault and that's when it's most important  to tell a trusted adult like a teacher. Why? Because   it's your body and no one else is entitled to  tell you what to do with it. Practice consent. Is it possible for me to screencast for the... It's okay if we can't we can try to do it at the end. Got I've got a wheel  spinning for me oh here we go. Thanks for your patience folks. Now we can just skip it for now Ben and  go back to the presentation so I just wanted   to highlight one of the embedded videos  um each lesson there is a a brief video   at the beginning and at the end again the  focus of those videos are more to frame the   topic

057um they include characters in the  4th and 5th grade they're animated   videos um they're pretty you know hokey but we  we enjoyed them and again the reason we added   the supplemental videos is because we felt really  good about the the content within those videos as well. All right so let's get into Middle School,  similar to 4th and 5th grade the recommended   lessons for 6th graders include topics meant  to help students understand some of the changes   that they are currently going through or will  be going through soon, as well as support   with being a kind and respectful peer. We'll  go back to the scope and sequence oh sorry so   in lesson 2, 6th graders are um introduced  sorry actually yeah we'll go back to the sixth grade. Where do babies come come from, like how do  we

058get here? When broken down it's a simple thing   every species reproduces, but in different ways  for humans to make a baby there's lots of stuff   that must be just right, but the two key players  are the sperm and the egg at puberty everyone's   body changes and becomes able to reproduce at some  point between the age of 8 to 13 a person that is   biologically a female starts ovulating it's also called  the menstrual cycle or starting their period about   once a month the ovaries release a teeny tiny  egg into the fallopian tubes, if it's not fertilized   after it's released, the egg is flushed out of  the body during the period. When a person that   is biologically male starts pity usually between  12 and 16 the testicles begin to make sperm cells   these cells travel in milky

059fluid created by  another gland this mixture is known as semen,   this is the fluid that is is released during an  ejaculation, there are lots of ways a sperm and egg   can get together and join one of the most popular  ways is when seen is release from the penis into   the vagina once those little swimmers are in there  the sperm race through the vaginal canal pass the   cervix through the uterus into the fallopian tubes,  sperm are drawn to the egg like a moth to a flame,  now if you don't want to become pregnant when you  have sex there are a lot of simple ways to stop   it from happening, we call this contraception. When you want to have a baby sometimes people   are not able to have a baby using the most popular  method when this

060happens doctors can totally help   them out, like using a tool to place sperm into  the vagina near an egg or a doctor can actually   join the sperm and egg together outside of the  body and then place the fertilized egg into the   uterus, all these methods achieve the same thing  the sperm and the egg get together and unite   becoming a single cell this is called a zygote, as  a zygote travels down the fallopian tube towards the   uterus looking for a place to nest, this tiny ball  of cells divides and multiplies over and over and   over. If the zygote, does not find a good nesting spot  in the uterine lining, it passes out of the body   during menstruation or the period, if the zygote, does  find a nesting place this marks the moment when   pregnancy actually begins

061and the fetus starts  to grow into what is called an embryo. The time   it takes for a baby to develop is divided into  three stages called trimesters, it takes an em   about 9 months or 39 weeks to develop into  a fully developed baby. The zygote starts the   size of a poppy seed and grows into the size  of well a baby, most of a pregnancy takes place   in the warm and comfy uterus also known as the  womb, it has all the nutrients needed for that   little ball of cells to develop into a fully  formed body during the 39th week a fetus is   considered full term, after about 9 months a baby  is generally ready to enter the world. There are   several different ways a baby can make their  appearance into the world they usually come   through

062the vagina, but sometimes if necessary  doctors need to help them out they do this by   opening the uterus and removing the baby  that way this is called a cerian section   or a C-section for short making babies  is a natural part of life and we all start from   the joining of a sperm and egg we're all more  alike than you think [Music]. So to clarify that   video would be occurring uh during lesson  1 of 6th grade in Middle School and   if you were here in June when we did our first  public hearing you might remember that we had   two possible videos that we were recommending  this video and then one from Planned Parenthood.   We were going to see if it would be possible to  trim that video to remove the very end of that   that would

063say something along the lines of for  more questions you know go to planparenthood.com   we're unable to trim that and so we're no  longer recommending that video because we   know that some uh families and staff would feel  uncomfortable uh with that resource being made   available and so we're just recommending this  video to be shown during lesson 1 in 6th grade. All right, so and it's important to  not that that video is supplemental to   the the content in lesson 1 um intercourse  is defined at this time which is uh the same   as the current curriculum that's taught  in 6th grade and this is from removing   that lesson e or part e of lesson 5 from  5th grade into sixth so this section is   called conception to birth and includes an  explanation of how the process occurs from  

064sexual intercourse, fertilization, growth  of an embryo, to child birth. Importantly   this lesson also explains the importance  of choosing to have a child as well as abstinence. All right and then in lesson  2, 6th graders are introduced to terms   related to gender and sexuality, as an upper  elementary these terms are introduced in a   brief simple and age appropriate way that is meant to inform and encourage respect for all individuals. Importantly another component of adolescent health that   P3 emphasizes is self-empowerment,  when students can recognize unsafe   situations and advocate for themselves  we can create happier, healthier school communities. So in lessons 3 and 4, 6th  and 7th graders discuss topics related to   exploring friendships and bullying similar  to lessons 3 and 4 in 4th and 5th grade. So um in lesson 4 and 3 we spiral the  information on exploring

065friendships and   blowing and abuse and then we recommend addressing  uh HIV and STIs and that would occur in Lesson 12   although we are only recommending Parts A and B in  Lesson 12 which teaches how viruses are spread and   eliminates how to find resources for testing. It is  an excellent information in a well-planned format   but we felt that it did not fit our community's  particular needs at the middle school level. So there's the scope and  sequence for less or for grade 7. And then here are some resources for  students that they will complete during those   lessons um these resources come specifically  from lesson 11 on media and peer pressure Woof, that's been a lot. We've hit 8th grade,  home stretch. We're so excited, um I'm gonna to just   update our little cheat sheet here. We have

066hit  8th grade here's the scope and sequence   of eighth grade and you'll notice here that  the the biggest differences from the current   curriculum. The committee feels really strongly  that solely covering sexual reproduction from   a biology textbook is insufficient given the  complex challenges and social situations of middle   school students, and what they face today. With the  updated curriculum we have the pow the opportunity   to empower students with more knowledge and tools  to maneuver through the challenges of adolescence   in this 21st century. You can see that the sequence  begins with a quick review of anatomy from the   6th grade lesson one it's really important  that that students know their body parts, what   their names are, what their function is. I feel  like my back is to you guys the whole time. I'm   so sorry that's rude. That

067they that that is  empowering information and that the um that quick   review is going to help solidify those things  again, that's spiraling back to uh catch kids uh   uh gaps in knowledge, and then it moves into the  prevention of pregnancy including birth control   options, and then teen pregnancy itself self which  includes fetal development, alternatives to keeping   the baby, and decision making and please note that  in accordance with Michigan Law this lesson does   not mention abortion as an option. Here's an  example of a slide um from lesson 6 you can   see that this curriculum leans into abstance  abstinence in many of the lessons, like in this slide. It's even in red.  And then here's the slide that shows options  uh for pregnancy and does not include abortion. Here is a slide from the  fetal development section

068this   shows the type of information that's addressed   during the fetal development lesson  this slide is of tri trimester one. and in lesson 6 we also address STIs which are  a very real consequence of sexual activity at any age, and again you see here the abstinence  messaging, you might be thinking why can't   we just leave it at that and say just don't have  sex because kids need the why why is it important   to wait why do we need to be prepared mentally,  physically, and emotionally for sexual activity. Teens are pretty concrete thinkers for quite a  while because of the way that brain development   works during puberty and adolescence and yet  they're also in that wing stretching time of   their development this slide shows actionable  choices for teens to be in control and keep   themselves safe the

069more you practice these things  in theory the more it is solidified in in in you   to as ownership that you can access that stuff  in the heat of a moment. We want the students   to own that information long before they're  in a decision-making situation just like we   practice stop, drop, and roll we also practice  other healthy information and choices and we   pair it with something that they already know for  example universal precautions, this generation of   kids survived a pandemic, they know this stuff so  let's review this and then apply the same logic to   sexual health introducing condoms in the vital  role they play before a student is in a sexual   situation increases the chance that they'll  remember the importance of condom use with sex. Do we want the first choice to be abstinence?  Absolutely so let's

070reinforce that message again   before we wrap up the lesson and let's address  why making safe choices is so important here are   two of the activities in the final lesson of 8th  grade this is the why that every teen is looking for. There are also a few supplemental videos  in the middle school and these reinforce the   messaging of the discussion in a visual format.  Kids spend a lot of time watching videos and   being online and this is meeting them where they  are in a way that they like to learn information.   One of the parts of P3 that we absolutely  love is the appendix of parent resources   and education, because sex ed starts at home, with  a million tiny little conversations and because   it can be difficult for some grown-ups  to get started with those conversations   we

071love that P3 recognizes and supports the  importance of those caregiver conversations   with their kids and having this appendix  of resources and the grownup and student   homework after the lessons gives caregivers lots  and lots of opportunities for talking with their   students on their own time and with their own  values included. Here are a couple of examples   of the parent resources in the appendix, you  can see one is uh guidelines for parents to   talk with their kids and teens about sexuality  and then all the burning questions parents may   have about sexting. Now I'm a parent of teens and  I recognize that in all sorts of different ways   my job is to ready my kids to move through  the world on their own, and I have to balance   my rules and my expectations with their emerging  independence so

072that when I'm not there, they have   the information at the ready to make safe choices  for themselves, even if that looks different than   what I might hope hope for them and what I  might have planned for them and that process   of trust building takes time and attention and  talking about healthy human sexuality with our   kids is part of that trust building independence  project that we are all doing called parenting   and this curriculum supports that work  that we get to do at home, thank you very much. Thank you it looked like you were gonna to say  something Cam, no? No. Thank you very much   pre well done. Thank you very much for this  great presentation, one thing I neglected to say at   the beginning was that there are some members of  the SEAB Committee in the

073audience tonight and I'm   not going to call you out specifically, but I did  want to say on behalf of the board thank you, thank   you, thank you for your many efforts in in bringing  this to us. I'm going to open now to the board   for questions if you have any um uh unfortunately  uh Vice President Steben was unable to attend last   week so last time so I'm going to offer the first  set of questions if she has any to her and then at   random anyone who has questions to to fire off, if you haven't had your questions answered yet   please do so thank you. Thank you both that was  really comprehensive as Michael mentioned I   was on vacation during the the last one I believe  it was in June, so I do really um like

074us pairing   this with a traditional board meeting, because  ensures that we can all be present and I think it   conforms to the policy as well so this worked out  really well, um and thank you you to the rest of   the committee of course, um a couple of questions  and I'll probably follow up with some questions   offline if that's okay via email um but if we  did adopt this uh can you talk to me about what   the training looks like because the policy does  describe that you need qualified certified staff   doing it and that it needs to be um done in an  organized manner so I was just wondering and Steve   or or whomever if that's a question for somebody  else that's fine, but what is the forward plan if   this is adopted. Yeah that's a

075great question  uh at this time you know we don't know what that   would look like there are options available to  us, so you know two of those options are through   um Positive Prevention Plus in the way of both  virtual training and an in-person trainer coming   into our district to provide that experience  for staff. We also have contacts at the WISD that   would be willing to do some training just kind of  not necessarily with the specific curriculum but   just best practice in adolescent health education  and kind of working alongside us as we go through   um the curriculum with our staff, uh we'd be  working closely with Kara Davis and the Teaching   and Learning Team as well um and and talking  about training and and funding that and all all   those questions. Okay thank you it's just

076it's just  really important in all facets to make sure that   the law and the policies are um adhered to so so  just want to make sure we support the staff that   would would um would roll this out. If you guys  can um uh unobstructed K-12 survey presentation   link um we can't get access to the data behind it.  Yeah absolutely. So that's the raw data behind that   we can look at okay perfect because that's that's  wonderful. um my other question was on um Senate   Bill 66 it looks like it has a 2023 date on it  so how are we fulfilling that legal requirement   right now if we don't have that incorporated into  this curriculum. So the the new law was passed   in July of 2023 and June of 2024 so this past June  is when um

077we needed to start having a plan   put in place for the 24-25 school year um if this  curriculum does not pass then um we will have to   quickly create um consent and sexual assault  uh um resources for that because currently our   curriculum does not cover those things and so we  would be non-compliant without doing a mad dash   for resources. Okay yeah very important yes um  I really like that this includes information on   sexting um yes videos meeting kids where they're  at I totally agree um consent and sexual assault   as described by that law it's incredibly important.  My last question and then I'll probably get   with you guys offline while I'm reviewing the  curriculum but um how long did the review process   in the in committee can you talk a little bit  about the journey and

078kind of the the depth of   discovery on the the other items that you were  considering and how it arrived here. Yeah so this   conversation actually started 10 years ago and  this is the 3rd term of the sexual assault or   sexual assault Sexual Education Advisory board  that has been working toward a new curriculum   for Saline Area Schools um as we know in academia  change is very very slow and um it has taken a lot   of discussion with a lot of separate boards to get  to a place where we could um have these different   curricula to review. So having had the great  honor of being part of the last two um as well   as this term I have had these conversations with  two separate SEABs and now this third one um around   these exact same topics and

079the same the thing  that's really great is that with this sort of   reiteration of each committee the same curricula  keep coming up and keep coming back for review   and um I think that's a real testament to the  curricula that we were able to review that these   are really, really solid well-known curricula,  and the the work that this committee did was   a springboard off of the previous committee  where we were able to say here are the things   that the previous committee had sort of narrowed  to which was able to spur us on and we we were   able to meet just about monthly right um for this  last school year so about 12 months of work yeah.   Thank you those are my questions for the table  okay. Thanks. I do want to remind students you   are also

080welcome to ask any questions if they  if they strike you. So I'm just going to let us   rant sorry Ben I'm gonna to just let us randomly ask  the questions around the table if we have any. Oh Tommy. I wasn't at the first meeting so I'll  just get right to my questions respect you in your   time um one comment that came up while you're were  presenting was a concern about age and how young   kids are getting exposed to these materials, and  I don't remember who said I think one of you might   have made the claim that by like 4th and 5th  grade students are figuring out who they are in   their place in the world and they're starting to  gain more of that independence um uh and I would   just like to ask how is

081that being factored into  the content being taught to the younger generation   a lot of the lessons involved were about consent  and sexual orientation and sexual intercourse   and terms like ejaculation and erection and  the mention of uh abstinence was more stressed   towards the 8th grader after those initial  lessons um my concern the only concern that I   see is is if we're trying to prevent and get  them a head start at an early age how is that   um those caution barriers and those lessons built  in uh from the start. Yeah that's a really good question   Tommy um so we because the curriculum is so dense  we were not able to show you every single piece   of the curriculum and so the what we wanted to  pull out was the sort of um touch points where   people can

082potentially have concerns around it  and show you that this is very developmentally   appropriate so actually what you saw here tonight  is a very small part of the curriculum and most of   it would feel very similar to what you had when  you were in 4th and 5th grade where you're   talking about body changes and what does your body  due and um the structures and the names of things   the the other pieces are additions but not  the main bulk of it and so the if you were to   sit in on a lesson or the whole week of the new  curriculum you'd be like oh yeah this feels really   familiar I totally remember this yeah, so it just  it just adds a few things that your generation has   to deal with on a pretty regular basis versus us 

083dinosaurs who didn't have things like the internet   and like I was 20 or something when I got my first  cell phone, because they didn't exist before that   right so there's extra things. Did that answer  your question fully? Yes it did thank you I   was I have a younger sister that's around that  age group so when I'm learning stuff like this   it's kind of like a scary to me, but then I also  realize that it's going to happen eventually and   it might take some adjusting on my part to be open  and have her learned that an appropriate age   the other question that I had was there's a lot of  talk about uh removing shame and removing like a   stigma behind a lot of these concepts especially  around masturbation how it just it feels good   and how

084it's a natural part and it should be a  private part but a natural part uh and that tying   that back into what I said first of with the um  frequency of the sexual events at the Middle   School and High School um what is the the balance  between having that be a part of your human   progression and your like transition into older  and young adulthood and the limits to that for a   younger audience. Yeah so um have you ever like if  you think back in your life have you ever thought   um like had an experience or done something where  you're like that might have been a bad choice   right and you didn't really have a name for what  you did or a lot of context in it, but you felt   sort of icky about it or

085weird about it that can  apply to masturbation with kids is it for a lot   of kids it's something that they already do and  experience, but they don't have a name for it and   they don't they might feel like you know I know  these are my private parts because it's covered   by a swimming suit, but I'm doing this thing and  maybe it's weird and maybe it's wrong and maybe   there's something wrong with me if you uh are able  to just put a name to something and say totally   normal if you do it great if you don't that's  great too, whatever, right um it is a very it is a a   wash through the curriculum it is not there's not  like 40 minutes spent on masturbation and there's   not a how-to and there's not a like uh

086a a huge  dwelling on that it's just saying hey some people   do this normal, private because there are kids that  masturbate at school and um it's not a ton but it   is regular and um it is also helpful for the kids  that don't do those things at school to be able to   be like um so I noticed Billy has his hands down  his pants or you know or Jane is whatever you know   with that and to be able to say I think they might  need a reminder or I feel uncomfortable because I   know this right that this is a private behavior  does that answer that for you? Yes thank that   was that was the only comments or concerns I have  since I'm I've already gone through this and not   that wasn't the first meeting so

087thank you thank  you for all the information that you gather. I   appreciate the question. Just want to say thank you  Tommy you raised the bar on questions I think yeah   for sure no pressure Kate anyone else on the board  moving along. Oh Susan and Jenny, Jenny and Susan I   was I was just going to say, because I do teach  elementary school um just adding on to to um the   topic that Tommy was bringing up I think that  one thing that is going to be extremely beneficial   to the adults that are supporting children is  helping children to identify that some of those   behaviors are private, because because I've  worked with young children for a long time some   um things like masturbation can be very self-  soothing and kids don't even they're not even   aware that um

088doing something that brings comfort  the same as like kids might rub their blankets or   things like that they might not even be aware  that that's different than rubbing your blanket   and so helping them to understand that that um you  know masturbation because it involves parts that   are private is a private activity and so I feel  like that is going to be really beneficial for   for the adults who are supporting kids in um  identifying and then making choices around that  so. Thank you Susan. Oh yes a couple of things um  so I had a uh community member um ask about um the   opt out and um they had mentioned kind of some of  the stigmatizing piece of that um there's a lot   of stigmatizing like stigmatizing in our current  curriculum so so basically the opt out

089um   so um I guess it we've heard from parents um come  up to the the podium and talk about um opting out   and how um that looks different uh from year  to year, from building to building, classroom to   classroom, whenever a child is is pulled from  the classroom um so I guess how is that um and I   know that SEAB doesn't you know do that that's a  legal requirement so it might be a question for   for the administrators as well, but making sure  that we have um consistency in that and that the   parents understand uh well and even the students  um and how that would look. Yeah the opt out uh   topic is is an important one to address I agree  that consistency is is essential and that's   definitely a topic that we as an

090administrative  team will continue to discuss. I know Kara Davis   has led a lot of work on our district optout  guidelines um that you know involve both   adolescent health and and other topics in  different um classes uh Heritage students   are you know there's a parent information night  you know parents are given that opportunity to   review materials and then make that decision uh we  feel confident at Heritage that we'll be able to   do kind of a a lesson by lesson opt out in the  4th and 5th grades it's something similar   to what we've done in the past um you know some  classes have done things like uh students who opt   out will be encouraged to research another body  system um and the purpose of that uh alternative   assignment is not to punish, it's not to you know 

091make them feel like they're they're missing out,  it's really just to encourage learning and  so the the emphasis is not on the the grade   that the student will get for something like that,  but really just on again making sure that while   that student's at school they're provided access  to learning. I don't have a lot of specifics at   this time about what the opt out looks like at the  Middle School with adolescent health, but I would   be confident that would be something similar  uh and in in line with our district opt out guidelines. Thank you. I oh. I wasn't not finished  yet but yeah I'll go like I just have have more of   a statement so if everybody I don't think anyone  else has anything to say Jenny might. Yeah no I was   just going to

092um say for the for public and for  people who might not be aware that the district   opt out is um a district tool but um uh opting out  of sex education is state law that we offer that   so I just wanted to make it clear that that's not  something that we've decided that's something that   the law requires and that we um comply with and so  that's not something that this board or any board   would be able to change so if that is a  concern about this curriculum just know that   that is something that is in place and I see it  being in place for the foreseeable future. And   something that the SEAB feels very protective  of like that is an extraordinarily important   part of the sex education curriculum here is that  we recognize that sex

093education is a family thing   first and what we do here is hopefully meant to  supplement what you are doing at home and if you   don't want to do that totally cool yeah. And just  to add on to that again one of the the draws for   this particular curriculum is the the wealth of  um resources for parents and families at home   um and so for those families who do make that  decision to opt their students out of you know   lessons or of the entire curriculum uh we would  want to give them access to those materials so   that they could you know we could help in having  those conversations at home and and they would   be the leaders of of any of those conversations  whether or not students were opted out. I think   the the biggest key

094difference and and the thing  that we're really fortunate to have is that um   when parents do have concerns about curriculum  and come in to take a look at the curriculum and   they're making choices or decisions about which  pieces to omit for their for their child that   our team um headed by Kara Davis is there to  support those decisions, so for example those   um potential alternate assignments would be  a decision that is made together so that   uh the child like you said has access to learning  and so we're really fortunate to have resources   and um personnel like Kara to help us and help  families support families with those decisions.   Yeah and another really big plus about the P3  curriculum is that it is based in modules and   so it's very easy to for families to go

095through  and say day three I want my kid to be out so that   it is it is not trying to pick and choose moments  to pull a kid out of but to say and make it easy   for staff and families and students to know where  they're supposed to be what is supposed to happen   and um not try to um manage minutia in that  it's really well designed in that way. So you   had something else to add to. Oh yes um so I'm glad  that um SEAB uh I mean you all did a fantastic job   um the last last few years that I've served on um  as board rep um I've you know I think this last go   around you all it was very efficient and um you  know everybody worked together and reviewed and   I

096thought it was awesome thank you all, and so  I'm I'm glad that um you know after getting the uh   data and everything you all moved you know fairly  um quickly I guess um to make recommendations on   uh a part of our curriculum, so I know that  we are not uh recommending um or you all aren't   recommending um at this point the High School uh  curriculum um so I do want to I hope that we   move very quickly on that um I think you all have  a great process where that could be efficient um I   do want to read I think I've done this in the past  um portions of policies that we have um so we have   board policies and um that must be implemented  um and I know there is a process as well

097so two   policy Board Policy 2260 non-discrimination  and access to equal education opportunity  curriculum content, so uh reviewing current and  proposed courses of study and textbooks to detect   any bias based on protected classes asserting  whether or not supplemental material singly or   taken as a whole fairly depict the contribution  of all genders, various races, ethnic groups, toward   and so toward the development of human society  um also required with that is staff training to   identify some of those um problems with uh bias in  the curriculum and all aspects of the program.   I also want to bring up the um Policy 5517.02 the transgender and non-binary students   currently our high school curriculum is super  outdated as well it is not at all inclusive   of our trans and non-binary students so what I  just read we have an issue right so

098part of   in in that uh with the curriculum the SAS Compass  talks about the ethical and responsible citizen   and so um so that um students demonstrate that  this attribute when they see beyond themselves to   the needs of others contribute to their community,  promote equity, and take responsibility for the   environment and demonstrate respect, empathy,  and compassion um also research shows that   LGBTQ students who attend schools with curriculum  that that is inclusive of LGBTQ people, history, and   events experience a better school climate and  improved academic outcomes and I know having   you know the curriculum that you're proposing  also reduces um you know creates a better and   safe environment and reduces bullying and so  uh you know I just I wanted to to mention that   um you know not only LGBTQ students but you  know being able to

099represent race, ethnicity,   all of that is super important, so again I'm  glad that I feel like the curriculum that we're   looking at right now um excels at that and I'm  super excited um I'm not so excited that um our   high schoolers aren't um going to receive that uh  at this point anytime um soon, so I um I encourage   I super encourage that um you know it's it's  a board board policies and um I encourage that   our administrators um follow through with  that as well thank you all for your hard work. Thank you everyone, thank you board, oh Tommy  I I had a quick follow-up question following your   comments, and I I do agree that this updated  curriculum is much more inclusive I know that   politics and opinions aside it's a curriculum  designed for educational purposes

100only regardless   of like your opinions or your what stance on  many of these uh things with um the changes being   made to this and using terms like human with penis  and human human with vagina um and having then   lessons talking about uh like same sex attraction,  gender studies, and like sexual orientation   um how is how is that balance between using like  non-descriptive terms such as human with penis   and then using stuff like same sex attraction  and building that into like the two different categories. Yeah um I think I understand your  question, so the I think the big difference is   that this this curriculum and the way that sex ed  is moving um as we learn and know more is the idea   that sex and gender are two very different things,  sex is um a biological

101body-based thing and gender   is um how you show yourself to the world and how  you feel who you are inside and so when you say   things like person with a vagina, the people in  the room who have a vagina know that they have   it, right and so they go oh that's my body awesome  they're not going wait why aren't you calling me   a girl right they're just going that's me okay  I got to listen up right and so um those those   moments aren't going to feel weird to kids because  they're just going I can't believe we have to hear   the word penis over and over and over again right,  it doesn't matter if you're in a same- sex gender   or same -sex um classroom or if you're in a mixed  gender everybody gets nervous when

102you say the p   word right it's just part of being a kid and you  know for a lot of adults it's hard to say, um so   I think that might have answered your question  did it? Yeah. Do another followup from no? I didn't I   just I wanted to just point that out and ask like  if if that had been considered but it seems like   the curriculum that you have been talking about  and discussed have already thought a lot about   that and I I appreciate the a lot of the thought  and the um the process of going through making   this thanks curriculum so thank you. Yeah and and I  think it's also important to note that that the   variation in um how deep curricula go for kids is  widely different throughout the sex ed curriculum   world

103and the the committee was so careful to make  sure that we were providing information that kids   need, because we don't want them to learn from Tik Tok, YouTube, Facebook, the internet as a whole,   but also balancing what our community culture  and feel and values are in a way that is going   to feel okay for most people and to Susan's  point the Sex Ed Advisory Board takes very seriously   the mission um of Saline Area Schools that this is  a student centered decision-making body, it is not   what I think or Cameron thinks or Megan thinks or  Julie thinks or you know all the other different   people that are on this board, that it is about  what kids need and what kids need to be safe and   healthy that we take ourselves out of it and I  I do

104want to say this particular committee this   group has been amazing at that process it has been  a real joy getting to have done this for many many   years, to see this particular group immediately  band together and immediately work on something   that can be a difficult conversation so. Thank you  Miss Hoffman-Peavler, I'm sensitive to the fact that   you've been standing for an hour and almost  20 minutes and you haven't had a sip of water   the whole time but at this point if anyone in the  audience has any clarifying questions they want to   ask now uh they're welcome to do so, or and hear  me out over the next two weeks parents who have   questions or community members who have questions  about the curriculum are invited to email uh   the board, [email protected]. I will  definitely make sure

105the appropriate people on   the SEAB, the co-chairs get those questions um and  uh that I I'll just leave it at that. At this point   in time I I hope to placed a question of approving  this agenda on on the uh as an action item on the   September 24th agenda. So oh you do see a hand  for a clarifying question, please just trying to   make understand now we won't be able to hear you  unless, I know you really didn't want to talk in   the microphone. I could tell I could tell and and  Mrs. Gunnerson if your question, oh can wait, no I Miss   Gunnerson if you had your question was about  this in your final comment if you want oh okay   never mind, yes ma'am. Hi I'm Julie Kelly I'm a  teacher at Heritage in 5th

106grade, so my question   is are girls and boys going to be taught  together? I didn't get what you said at the end   of that, whether you took what we had to say about  that into consideration and then decided we're   still doing boys and girls together or we're doing  them separate. What did you say I didn't catch it. iOh okay that's a good question and that's  the most pressing right um so that question   has not been answered at this time and that um  you know based on what we've discussed and what   I've discussed with others who are knowledgeable  of state law that's a decision that can and will   be made at the the building level with district  leadership around whether or not um we'll be   teaching with mixed gender classrooms or same  gender classrooms. Yeah. Thank

107you. Thank you.   Thank you um Miss Gunnerson's question was just a  reminder that as well as emailing the the board   email address with questions, uh the ,curricular  materials will still be available at Heritage feel   free to email me directly or email the board email  to come in and read those before September 24th,   email works best just so we can schedule something  if there are questions that come up and so I can   point people to the slides and things like that,  but there this presentation and all the active   links will be available to the community. Thank  you we have one other question from clarifying   question from the audience. Yes please um my  name is Marcy Goyette. I am also a fifth grade teacher   at Heritage. I am also our SEA board rep for the  teachers at

108Heritage this topic was brought up   to me in the summer and that's where I've become  involved with this definitely a clarifying   question that my teachers have been asking of me  and ask me to see clarification was, we are looking   at this curriculum there is a spectrum of on the  parts of it agreeing, disagreeing, different parts   to it in the past and some of the teachers  at the building were there previously when   the last curriculum came through, the steps that  happened were that the curriculum was there and   if you notice our curriculum our old curriculum  now there are crossed out, there are replaced words   there are sections that are whited out and those  were decisions that were made but in previously   in the past all of that had to be done before the  bo the board

109vot voted and the board saw those   corrections and changes and things that we felt  were appropriate and then they voted on that and   from what I understand I I will admit I was not  there at that time, we couldn't make changes after   that we've been assured that we can still do that  that that's maybe not the process this time, but I   think my teachers would feel better if I could go  back and get some clarification on that, because we   have and I will give Cameron lots of credit for  this is that this discussion was brought to me I   approached him and he's been very open and we've  actually already started to talk about things um   for example in the slide that you saw in regards  to masturbation that is a topic of contention and   some

110teachers don't feel comfortable with that.  I reviewed the curriculum and what you saw I   felt was for personally myself it's a definition  of what it is and it mentions that it's done in   private. I was fine with that however what you did  not see is if you actually look at when you go to   the female section of that, in the female section  it's not the same exact description, in the female   sections it mentions actual body parts that are  involved, where some teachers are we've looked at   that it's like is there a point then where we're  almost maybe teaching masturbation because we are   actually talking about the parts that are involved,  there's a difference in that curriculum there   from the male portion to the female portion. The  male portion you saw no body parts are mentioned  

111at all it's considered private parts when you  look at the female portion it does mention parts   like libia and things like that so those are the  kind of things that we already as reviewing this   curriculum have started to look at and say, hey  okay if this is going forward this is one thing   that maybe we want to look at, can we take that  exact male description those two sentences and   replicate that when we get to the female section  of the curriculum that's where we would like to   do, and I think teachers have already started to  talk about that the ones that have reviewed the   curriculum, but I want to assure my teachers  that we will have that process because we're   coming up on a vote in two weeks and like  you said academia can move

112slowly there's   a lot going on for teachers between now and two  weeks from now, like do we have to do this process   of looking at this curriculum talking about  different parts um there was mention of sexual   that word being used a lot within the curriculum , we felt like a few times yes you need to use   that word but other times we could change it with  reproductive health rather than sexual health or   adolescent health versus sexual um there's those  types of things going on, so I think I would like   some clarification and take back to my teachers  of this exact process. I can answer that question   we've got three people who'd like to answer and  I'd like the Dr Laatch to take the first go at and   I'm looking at the law here too. Yeah, Yeah

113please.  Okay I just want to go back draw on the last time   that the elementary curriculum was revised, because  that's what you were citing Marcy and I'll just say   how it went, and I'm not saying that it has to  be this way this time, but the way way it went   last time is some of the teachers uh specifically  in 4th grade had some concerns with one of the   lessons and really what was happening is the  curriculum was approved, but then we did say  after discussing with the teachers, they did not  want to teach every element of that lesson and   so we were going with the curriculum is improved  and you can't teach more than this, but if it was   agreed that the teachers felt like we needed to  limit the way it was presented so

114that it was   more developmentally appropriate, we went ahead  and and and did it that way. Yeah regardless of   whether it plays out this way I just want to say  that's how it went the last time we did approve   curriculum. And yeah that is the way it goes so if you  think of it like a basket, we're having a basket   of curriculum, and then um like Dr. Laatsch said there  might be things that we take out of the basket, but   we can't put anything into the basket and so  so going through this process we have omitted,   like pre- omitted some things and saying we  don't want to approve those things, but we can   always take away as long as they've already gone  through this process, so I don't want you or your   teachers to think that

115you are being exempted  from a process of looking through this. It is   this part of things is very prescribed by the  law, so we can after the fact make some decision   from there but as we have presented it the SEAB believes that this is the best course of action. Is   that the action that's going to happen? Maybe maybe  not but that's future conversation. That answer   your question? Okay I I have a very different  response so, um looking at our policy and law um   so before adopting any revisions to the material  right? We so it talks about the public hearing   so it's proposed revisions um so we have checked  with law the law firm on this and we have gone   through the Michigan Department of Education that  the revisions are changes for addition but not   for

116subtraction. We've already done that work um  can you um Steve uh send that to the board that information. The legal information that you yeah  we have that we yeah okay that's fine, because I'm okay they have it we haven't talked to you  okay I thought it was yeah we wanted to double   check that before we removed the HIV video  from 8th grade that was so wholly inappropriately,   inaccurate now that it was detrimental to students.  Yeah I definitely want to check that before we   take a vote um on it, because if people are if  I mean it could be that we have the curriculum and   um a decision is made from whoever to take out  the gender and sexual orientation and um all of   the definitions without the board even knowing  um because they have approved

117that curriculum um   and if it differs from classroom to classroom like  that's. That's that's why we keep the mission and   the policies of Saline Area Schools at the center of all  of these conversations because it is the goal of   Saline Area Schools to make sure that those things  are happening and that's very important to the SEAB   as well as to Dr. Laatsch to make sure that um we are  doing what we say we're going to do. Yeah and SEAB   strictly brings recommendations to the board um  that's that's the role. Right beyond that I can't   speak to what happens but we are committed to  what is um in front of us us for yeah for those   things. And I would also when we talk about at the  building level it was mentioned about splitting   gender right

118like the genders I think that  needs to be something the board I think SEAB had   talked about it being together um the curriculum  taking it together, so I think that's something if   we need to as a board make a decision on I think  we need to do that. That is outside the purview of   the SEAB, that is an operating guideline that is  not a curricular recommendation, and so while we   recommend that it' be mixed gender classroom and  I would say... That is in your recommendations though   to be clear? But yeah recommend but it is not  part of the adoption. Yep because. Okay so that's   did that answer all your questions? Right thank you. So I guess I'd ask for one more clarification. Come to the mic. We we're   almost we're we're almost time we have one

119quick  statement from Vice President Steben and I just   want to note she will she's got a third you have  a third question that's just will your statement   interrupt the flow? Marcy I just wanted to really  thank you for coming up to the podium and and we   should definitely I I see a lot of Heritage  folks here, we should definitely be listening   to the people who have to operationalize this, I  just wanted to really thank you for your comments.   Great, so Kristen Hoffman-Peavler and is going to get sir  her her and Cam the deep background to Steve and   we'll pass it along to the board to help us in  our final decision in two weeks or four weeks. You   had another question to a clarifying question  to ask yeah um you talked specifically about   additions and

120subtractions, but I think what I've  appreciated with my talks with Cameron is that we   have looked at trying to find the common ground,  where we've saw some disagreements about this   curriculum or some differences or feelings  about about this we've talked and sat and   kind of already started that process of finding  some common ground, or what we think might be the   best practices, or some changes so that doesn't  necessarily mean a subtraction it doesn't mean   an addition it means changes changes in verbage,  changes in that, and I just want to be assured   because teachers are weary about this, we have been  told that we will have that discretion because we   want to take time with this we feel like this is a  serious topic and we do want to have time with it   and it has

121been hard. A lot of the review process  was over the summer again I give Cameron credit   I asked him I said I think the best bet was can  you bring this curriculum to our building this   will make it easier for teachers I myself when  I first heard about this felt like I can't reach   out to my members or do anything until I myself  have saw the curriculum and to be honest summer   hours and getting the chance to come to the office  here to to do that was really hard and I could not   do that over um most of the summer Cameron  I said to him I said can we get it here, it'll   make it easier and he brought it to Heritage and  more teachers have now had the time to do at least   that

122initial revision and look at it and have some  feedback on it and I think we have already maybe   start that process if it goes forward um we just  want to make sure that we can do that and I want   to I'm getting mixed from teachers, you know we've  been told this, but in the past it has always been   that you look at the final like the final draft  and that's what you were voting on and approving   or not approving and that's what I just want to  go back to my teachers and say what it even if   you say yes to the curriculum, we can still have  those conversations, that again might not include   addition, we're not adding on but we have the  opportunity for maybe some subtractions or maybe   some substitutions. Do you think we

123my question  to you is do you think a week and a half would   be sufficient? No, I'm sorry. I I appreciate that.  The the number of meetings that we already have   a lot of times whether it's within our contract  hours or anything else I I don't feel like it is   there's a lot the beginning of the year is a very  tough time for us, we're in a process of assessing   our students, getting to know our students, and  everything, that's the one concern I guess as   a person I might recommend then if we need to be  more involved in that process to present you with   something that maybe we're thinking about or we've  looked at we feel un comfortable with. I would   recommend putting off the vote, not in two weeks. I  hope you don't mind

124I'd actually would probably   chime in to it from just from the teachers lens  if you will like just the beginning of the year   is about creating relationships and community and  like trying to get into our classrooms and some of   that kind of stuff too so, I would think that like  giving teachers the time to to do that will allow   those robust things to happen when they're not  going through all this transition of trying to   figure out what's happening with their students,  who's got needs like IEPs, and all that stuff so   I I back that entirely. Thanks Brad. I'd like to add  let Dr Laatsch handle that particular issue right now.   I would like everybody to consider though that  um as Kristen mentioned they've already sought   guidance to say that if you are taking things  off

125the plate, so to speak and even if it's a   compromise it's still taking something off the  plate, that is still um within the purview of the   teachers and the administrators and how it would  be implemented. Just like right now for any of our   curriculum math curriculum, ELA we constantly have  teachers to discussing with administration about   well we have to adjust this or we're not going to  teach that part of the lesson because it doesn't   meet the students needs we we are having that  those discussions all the time with our current   curriculum even though that's what's been approved  by the board. So I would suggest that there should   be some latitude on how the administration and  the teaching staff implements the curriculum even   if it's it's approved in full so to speak. Now you  can push

126it off I'm not saying you have to vote on   it next week or the next meeting, but I would  want people to consider that our teaching staff   and our administrative staff, do need to have some  level of flexibility on how they implement any of   our curriculum. I I think um to some extent some of  the things that have been brought up here though   are would impact my vote so the idea of voting  on what we have now and then then they go back   and change it, I might have voted different. I think  that's that's where we want the clarification we   understand that this curriculum I think falls  under different purview you know with laws and   things like that versus just the analogy of our  regular math curriculum or something like that   um we just want

127to make sure that we understand  that or whatever and let you know that you know   if if presented to us at this point like what  we see, there are some parts that teachers are   not comfortable with, and have would like to  see some changes too and things like that   so and having gone through this process before,  they really had the questions to want to make   sure the legality of it that what kind of would  we have the time and knowing that the week the   vote is only in two weeks that what we were super  concerned about like you know what you see right   now, you know if you agree on that you know if we  do want to make some changes to it um would we   be able to. So I want to real quick

128and I I know  Lauren had I know Lauren had her hand up um I   just wanted to say real quick I think there's a  question of whether you could substitute you use   that word um I appreciate you bringing this up I  really do. I know that we have um representation   of um staff and teachers on our committee um  I do know that um I believe Kara worked with um   Cameron and uh Kristen on actually the outline and  I thought that was wonderful that that was brought   to the committee, because it was you know seeing  exactly how that would go um I do think we need   teacher, staff voice, and maybe that's a meeting  with Kara uh possibly um well probably you   know Cameron, Kristen, and also um hold on our um  teachers and um who

129are on SEAB um to maybe have a   conversation. And I also just want to say that the  SEAB over the years has done their due diligence   in surveying staff time and again to ask for their  feedback on things and it has been overwhelmingly   geared to change, that we need to change, and  this doesn't work anymore the kids aren't getting   what they want so the the committee has has  done their very best to make sure that they're   getting that feedback, prior to making any sort of  a recommendation, so that we are serving the needs   of what the data is that we get back, you know, and  so if the if the if the data is showing largely   that stakeholders in all areas are saying this  doesn't work, we need more change then that is what   we

130have to go on, so and I get your your your need  for wanting to like look at it and think about   implementation, but I just wanted to bring that  up too that we have been doing that work as well.   Great well one thing I can share with you and I  know Dr. Gold you had something to add um one thing   I can share is that the two weeks from now was  completely arbitrary and we're happy to give you   as much time as you need within reason, because  we need to get the staff trained in by spring when   this this comes into effect so we'd rather this  be approved as a as a whole it's multifaceted and   multi- parts and and challenging for some people  absolutely we get that, but so I I'd like to give  

131you as much time as possible by taking it off the  table at this point and letting you go back to the   drawing board uh to talk with your teachers, does  this sound? Not the you know what I mean to the   room. Dr. Gold did you have anything you wanted  to add at this point thank you I do um I uh   echo Trustee Estep that we did seek uh educator  input and the input of people who uh understood   um teaching because that was a big issue for me  and I appreciate the feedback of the teachers who   spoke up here. I think as a person who is going to  be asked to vote on this, what I would ask is um if   you are making, I think not right now, but before we  vote on this we

132would need to know whether or not   there's a consensus of the 5h grade teachers  with specific concerns, because I don't want kids   in Mrs A's class to get a different education than  kids in Mr B's class than kids in Mrs C's class. I   think that's unfair to all the kids and so um I  think we're trying to be sensitive in bringing   up concerns and I really appreciate that, but uh  my questions are not for right at the second, but   my questions for when I have to make a decision  upon this is are you I understand that you're the   union rep are you speaking for the majority of the  5th grade teachers who are going to be able who   are going to uh be asked to implement this, because  if the majority of the 5th grade

133teachers have   concerns that are specific and actionable and  we can as a board have some clarity as to I'm   not talking about you know all the teas crossed  all the eyes dotted exactly what you're going to   teach, I understand that it's an art and a science  right, but I would like some understanding as to   what we're really speaking about rather than kind  of in euphemisms if there's a a majority of the   teachers who have concerns about some part of  the curriculum, and we can understand okay we're   passing this as a board, but there was this that  seems very different to me than the question of   like well when the administrative guidelines go  through, we're going to do a this teacher's going   to tweak this this teacher's going to tweak that  I feel embarrassed to say

134the word masturbation   in my office, and I understand that is what could  happen I mean if you ask six pediatricians how   they talk to their patients you're going to  get some differences in the style, but what I   don't want is differences in the spirit and  content and so that's when I'm having a hard   time understanding frankly from the references  to how it was done in the past as somebody who's   not doing that and I'm also having a hard time  understanding whether this is whether you're   speaking about the plurality of the 5th grade  teachers having significance concerns or some   people having some little tweaks, I can't tell  and uh so that's not for us to do tonight. I'm   just saying I understand you're having this  discussion with um Mr. Cochran and you're but   in order for

135us to vote, I think we have to know  what we're voting on, because it's now I thought   I was kind of clear on it and this question of  having margin notes and makes it feel unclear and   I share I both have empathy for the teachers  having to do the hard work of teaching this   curriculum with giggling 5th graders and you  know it's not easy to for anyone to talk about   sex, but I also really strongly agree with with  Trustee Estep that people's personal discomforts   can't get in the way of the mandate of giving kids  information and I'm not saying I know our teachers   are the utmost professionals so if it's just a  style difference or things like that that that   feels different to me, than there's major concerns  with the curriculum, and I can't tell

136based on the   statements tonight. I would like to have better  understanding of that before I have to vote. So   Dr. Gold had her hand up just before I said let's  let's let's end the discussion um Dr. Laatsch is got   a suggestion for how to move forward and I'd like  to hear that and then we'll close it and go back   to the. Okay so what what I am hearing tonight  from all of the voices is that the Board of   Education's not ready to vote on this at the next  meeting there's just too many things that need to   be addressed so my recommendation if the Board  of Ed agrees with this, would be that you do go   back and work with the 5th grade teacher  specifically on figuring out what this compromised   curric or however you want

137to word it however  you're going to reset the curriculum so that then   there would be another time that you come back  to the board and present what that actually will   look like, so that every like all to Trustee Gold's  point, that all the 5th grade teachers would be   in relative agreement that this is how it would  would be taught, and therefore you could present   that back to the Board of Education again and  then at the following meeting following that, then   that would be when a vote would occur because I  think right now I'm hearing there's just too many   unknowns about how that would play out. So it would  be really really helpful if the teachers could   fill out the Google form like every single one  of them so that we can take that information and  

138compile it into a big document and find the common  places where there are there's praise and concern right. ...nervous to fill it out which  is why we're here speaking on behalf of our colleagues... Yeah, okay so what we can do is  we can create a separate Google Form for   you with the same exact questions and take off  the email thing, so that you guys can feel free   to to do that, that feel good? I'm going to suggest  that. Thank you for asking that. Details that you have to work   out you will work out outside of. Not in front of  you. Thank you. In the evening. you're very kind to   read my mind and since this is not an action  item, we there's no vote to take. I just thank   you all for your support and

139thank you Marcy  what's your last name Goya? Goyette goyet oh j   g o y e t t e. Yes. Great thank you, thank you very  much. Let me just wrap my head around what's next. I'd like to welcome Treasurer Brad Gerbe to  the floor to discuss the board finance committee   updates he has a few. I do. All right uh finance  committee met today at five o'clock and we had   a number of items on our agenda. I'll try to  go through them and give just a quick summary   and and what have you. So obviously the first  first thing that we looked at was our initial   uh pupil accounting and unofficial count uh count  day is in October so I don't want to get you know   too far ahead of things there's still some  transientness, but the

140the positive thing is   that enrollment is trending in a in a positive  way for us in the regard of uh we anticipate   I think I could say with confidence that we will  realize a much, we will realize a smaller increase   in enrollment than we had projected, um so that's  always good to be in that in that way we'd much   rather be projecting in the positive than the  negative and and that's good. One there's a   couple of areas of with enrollment that are  are are very interesting to watch as as we   watch them over time, the first one is um our Y5s  in kindergart, our Y that's our young 5s   programs in our kindergarten that enrollment  is is looking like it's going to trend positively   and double figures, which is good. So I I I love 

141that we're capturing young hornets and they'll be   with us for for many many years and then the  other place we're seeing is we saw some small   um cohort changes like little adds here in there,  but we saw a pretty s we're seeing what may end   up being may be because it's not count day yet  um a pretty positive growth at the ninth grade   level of of students coming who are in different  programs K-8 who now choose to come back to the   high school, so uh that that's another thing that  that looks positive okay. Then we talked about   okay then how did we uh you know we had made some  changes to say okay but we're you know the thing   that we should realize though as a district is  that well that's awesome we were anticipating  

142all over 100 student decrease we're still  going to realize some kind of decrease and so   we are still, as a finance team, talking about we  want to get to a point where our finances and our   structures are are equivalent and so that then we  talk about, with regards to fund balances and with   regards to expenditures and revenues. I mean we're  we're equal if not in the in the black right and   so we want to make sure that we're having those  conversations so that our um we're we're teaching   our pupils as with the best class ratios and class  sizes and all those things but at the same time   doing those things in a way that also respects  our structures right and so so that's there and   uh we we will continue that work so you know

143we  talked about but there are also things where we   we added for example like Pleasant Ridge we were  pleased about the kindergarten enrollment and we   added a an FTE there with with because we wanted  to maintain that educational environment for for   young people. So we're we're we're proud of the  work that we're doing there, and I think that   reflects our conversations about people accounting  uh and hiring okay so that is that. We talked   about the bond we should as a as a board we  we we we can look into the board projects and   there's awesome stuff on the school website that  that you know Jackie is doing and what have you   and that's like seeing the updates and Rex with  the Transportation Center it's all looking very   exciting. We looked at the finance piece and

144I  guess here's the quick view of the financing   piece is that we have currently out of the $180  million bond we spent about $29 million of it, we   we have about $35 million which is in um which  we've approved in incumbered projects right so   these are things that we've approved and that are  on the horizon, so we've spent about 64 million of   the 180 million, but that's not necessarily right  now you know shovels in the ground that's stuff   that extends from now till spring and then what  we'll do is we're going to then keep bringing   things probably more spring summer because that's  more construction season, and we'll continue as we   move along like next thing we probably move to is  things like the at the the the athletic updates   you know Crabtree and some of

145those kinds of  things. So I don't want to necessarily say what   we'll do because sometimes those projects, because  of money because of availability we can shift and   move, but that's kind of where we're at on that.  We are going to do a presentation as part of   the second meeting in October we plan to do that  with some of those more specific bond things so um   Superintendent Laatsch said that we would bring that  to the board just the board can get a little   more clarity with that that maybe the finance  team got to see today okay. Initial feedback on   our audit is looking they call it clean, clean is  good, uh but again I would anticipate that process   finishing up uh end of October and early into  early November and then uh two more things we  

146had an as far as updates from the State go we are  still awaiting clarity with regards to the 3% and   uh how that'll all kind of pass through and all of  that, so uh the the legislature is not reconvened   and and they will probably have a little bit of a  limited session between now and November 5th, but   at the same time like we're still waiting for some  clarity on that and the MIPster adjustment, and all   that and then the last thing we talked about um  was we talked about our Informacast system and how   we've been really awesome and really fortunate to  be able to to put that into into place for and and   Dr. McVey talked about that earlier we talked about  the button alert system and some of the funding   that would be required

147for that kind of thing and  we had uh in we had taken I I had sent that off   or Dr. Laatsch, I should say I sent it to him, and Dr. Laatsch that sent that off to Jay Grossman head of   technology, and guess what I could tell you is that  in order to do something to that nature and it   doesn't have to be specifically that, but we would  have to um keep that in mind as we continue with   ours because of Bluetooth necessities with regards  to relays and feet and how that ties into our WiFi   long story short the thing that encouraged me  about it was that he said yes we're on top of it   and we're talking about it and Dr. Laatsch you know we  added that to our capital projects agenda and so  

148we keeping those safety things in mind, I guess is  what I want to say overall I don't want to get too   ingrained in a specific thing but we're talking  about those things and I'm really thankful that   we're doing that so that was our six items that we  talked about for an hour today. Thank you Treasurer   Gerbe. Administration/Board updates here's the  order I'm gonna ask Dr. Laatsch for a quick comment   followed by Kate and Tommy, if that's right and  then we can work our way around starting with Dr.   Gold or starting with Tim Austin. I don't care. Okay  you want me go first? Okay. Minor quick uh thank you   everyone for getting off to a great start to  the school year when I was um touring the buildings   at the beginning of the school year often 

149it's you know things are uh not all always ready   this year I felt like everything was ready, kids  were doing great, so were the teaching staff, and   our support staff so just um thought it was was  a really good first couple weeks, and then just   wanted to thank Rex again um Trustee Gerbe gave a  good update on the bond, I mean Rex has really   been working very hard over the summer and has  really just kept these projects on on track   uh 95% of the summer work is completed maybe even  a little more at this point, but the um stewardship   with Miranda and Finance and Rex with the um you  know the vision and the direction of this bond   it's really going very very well, and I'm really  pleased and and uh supportive of the process

150so. We don't have too much to add but we  just want to say thank you to the teachers   and staff who made the first couple of  weeks smooth into transitioning from   summer and all the sports are back up  and it's exciting for the year coming up. And I'll be quick too um kind of the same thing  thanks to the staff and all that they've done to   uh make the the new year start out right and  uh the enthusiasm we saw with the new staff.   Also want to say maybe I'll knock on wood here  real quick um with Transportation last year was   a whole lot different we were talking about um  you know bus routes being taken away and this   and that and Rex was spending a lot of time in  the in the bus and

151not doing the other important   things and in this year we you know as of right  now we've kind of got a handle on that and it's   it's amazing what some work on the... Four applications. Four  applications that's awesome and I think that has   a lot to do with the um just the the ESP Contract  and some of the changes we made to that so that's great. All right, I'm going to be brief also  I want to echo the uh gratitude to um everyone   at Saline Area Schools who has made the start of a new  school year positive and for everyone who uh   welcomed um all of the students back to buildings  and classrooms and buses and all of the places,   so thank you uh I sometimes feel like thank  you isn't enough because the job

152of starting a   new school year um I think it was Cam Cochran  asked me earlier today like how how's the start   of your school year going and I said I don't know  because I haven't stopped to think about it, but I   think okay. It's just really really busy and  so um I appreciate the uh the weariness and the   cognitive load that our um entire staff has right  now and hopefully we will all settle in soon and   feel a new normal. Routines bring that to us  so that's all good. I wanted to also mention um   in our meeting so that uh so that everyone has  an opportunity to hear it that we are having   an additional policy meeting um to the typical  cadence of our meetings we will be having   a policy meeting on September 16th

153at 5:30 we will still have the policy meeting that is   scheduled for Tuesday, September 24th at 5:00 the reason for the additional meeting is that   we had uh some proposed um modifications to  the policy which is Policy 9141 which is our   DEIAC Policy, and because of those recommendations  and modifications it has caused us to look um   at some parts of that policy in particular and  so there is one piece that we feel we have   a sense of urgency around and that is the um  piece that specifically addresses seating new   DEIAC Members and we know that we have a number  of vacancies and in order for that committee to   run smoothly and to to be able to do the work  that they do, we understand that there's a sense   of urgency we also understand that the

154board has  requested two opportunities for discussion around   uh any sort of revision that is made and so we  are pulling that piece forward so that we can   move move that hopefully, if uh well not hopefully  I'll just say if the policy committee decides to   move that forward it could move forward sooner  rather than later so that we can move forward   um with seating those members, and so uh so I  have I requested that the policy meeting meet or   the policy committee meet for an additional time  so that we can move forward on that more quickly.   So that is the reason for it um and then we will  continue continue with our discussion as planned   at our next meeting, so if you would like to join  us September 16th at 5:30 and then again September   24th

155at 5:00 pm thanks. Quick clarifying question  are you aiming for a one hour meeting or? We   are actually aiming for a 30 minute meeting,  however we know that um with public comment   that you know sometimes that isn't um you know it  within our control, but that is what we're aiming   for. Got it. Are these clarifying questions?  Or actual changes, because we're holding up a   board committee? They're uh legal recommendations  that we'll be discussing. Thank you, I do have a   quick note that on Thursday in two nights at  6:30 the District is going to host a candidates   forum, here in this very room, it'll be streamed  and recorded and uh I would like to also note   that our very own Tommy Allmand and Kate Sonnenday are  going to be the emcee's or hosts or I think

156that's   the what they've got planned at this point. You  will not be firing off the questions though but   you're going to be you're going to be the not  even the moderators, you're uh you're just going   to be our hosts for the evening, and we'll and  I the board if there are any incumbents on the   board they'll be sitting at the table and I'll  be sitting in the audience and you'll be just   uh helping us get settled in all right thank you.  I'm I'm sure Jackie Martin we'll give you all the   details, because I don't know any of them. Thank  you that's really all all I have to say, I'll   pass it over to Jennifer Steben, unless you're  ready Susan, still not? Okay. Okay I'll go um I   was going to mention that so I won't

157now um a  couple other dates though coming up for other   activities. Let's see these aren't necessarily  in order sorry um our homecoming parade is October   4th the lineup starts at 4:30 and then the parade  starts at 5:00, always a good time to see what the   kids are doing I don't know if the two of you  are in it or all right or involved in it. Our   fall luncheon for the Foundation for Saline Area  Schools and Fundraiser is on October 30th here   at the Liberty School Cafeteria from 12:00 to 1:00. So  if anyone would like to attend the Trustees are   trying to get um tables together and um I'm sure  they would love you to be there. I'm skipping   that one um November 3rd is our deadline for  grants for the Foundation for Saline Area Schools,  

158lots of updates with them, because our meeting  was today. So any teachers that are listening   if they need money for innovative projects in  their classrooms or buildings on November 3rd.   our Run Tough for Chad Tough is on September  29th, it did change to Sunday this year, it's at   2:00 I think remarks are, I have a card, 2:15 are  opening remarks by um by the Carrs and then the   race starts at 2:30 and the Foundation will have  a table because they're trying to get volunteers   of all different ages and buildings, so you can  stop by their table. They have generated $73,500   in corporate sponsorships for this academic year,  that's 39 companies, so well done to our volunteers   there, and I think those are all of my Foundationee  updates. The only other thing that I wanted to  

159mention is I was at the away game at Dexter for  football this past Friday and another parent   said something to me about our student section and  said how impressed they were with the kids having   fun, you know, you know, you know doing some games  and getting into the Western theme but really   acting responsibly and um just really enjoying the  game and each other uh and I loved hearing that   and I know how hard our High School staff works  because I see them and Dr. Laatsch down on the track or   whatever outside of the the field so thank you to  the students for always being um good ambassadors   especially at our away games. Mr. Gerbe. All right um  so yeah I'll be happy to participate Thursday 6:30   I'm looking forward to what kinds of questions you 

160guys have with putting us on the hot seat and all   of that and so looking forward to that. I also  want to exp extend my thanks for for the new   staff and the people that we met tonight it it  seemed like quite the quite an excellent group   of of people with diverse experiences and all  those kinds of things so it was that was really   awesome to see, I'm excited that we got to meet  them tonight. I want to thank our staff and our   coaches you know the beginning of the school year  is kind of like drinking from a fire hose right,   there's just there's a lot for the staff to  analyze and to to figure out about our classes you   know you're figuring out simple things like names,  but you're also figuring out what those

161names mean   things about those those kids right and about  those families, and so just trying to figure out   all those things and I I know that I've witnessed  it with my own children, I witnessed this with   other children that our staff is extraordinary and  they really like prioritize that those things and   they really want to be good like they want to be  better than good they want to be great and awesome   for for kids. So so I'm I'm really thankful for  that and what have you um and then the last thing   I have that's on my mind you heard me earlier  talking about you know the the system that we   talked about with regards to Informacast and all  of that and um I remisssed if I I I've just I've had   it with having to

162talk about gun violence in  schools and the only acceptable thing to me is   zero. Right, like that is the only acceptable thing  in a school and and I know that we keep talking   about and we've we've really done a lot of good  things in our school district, I want to make sure   I say those things out loud with reviewing our  Safety plan and having ALICE training and you   know the the Informacast system and what have  you, but I I sure hope that our politicians and   our people who out there I don't know if they're  listening to me right now and but like I I want   us to to talk about these things they're difficult  conversations, but at the same time like every kid   no matter whether we're red, we're blue, however you  vote whatever you

163do we all want to send our kids   to school and we all want them to come home safe  we want the staff members who love and care about   them to come home safe. Zero is the acceptable  number for me on that and so I I don't know   I'm just racking my brain about I want to keep  thinking about sensible solutions and all of that   kind of thing and I'm sad my heart goes out to  those people in Georgia, but we got to keep trying   and we got to talk to our people and say what can  we do, and that's that so, thank you for your time tonight. I had um the opportunity to attend the  Middle School Open House and um uh of course I'm   thankful to the staff but I wanted to specifically  shout

164out the kids who were doing the greetings   and handing out the maps, in case any of their  parents are listening, because I know they're   not watching a school board meeting but just the  nicest sweetest kids with a map, and I can't read   a map but they still kept trying to help me it's  a good thing I don't have to go back to Middle   School. They just really spoke well of the district  I know there's probably a name for that team   that uh shows parents around but they just were  so enthusiastic about their job they made me   smile and they were very helpful so a shout out  to the Middle School welcome team at openhouse   if anyone's listening tell them Dr. Gold says good  job, and then I wanted to thank uh Mr. Cochran   and Kristen

165Hoffman-Peavler and the entire  SEAB Committee uh who have worked so diligently   on this, for so long, and I think you know we're  all learning a lot in the process and it's a hard   process but thank you to them because they have  put endless hours into this, and then lastly   uh I just wanted to highlight that September is  Childhood Cancer Awareness Month and I know there   are Hornets in the district who are uh affected  in a multitude of ways as survivors or currently   fighting or family members with childhood cancer  and it's a topic of course we have Chad Tough  and then the wider childhood cancer community  a it's a topic near and dear to my heart and even   once you survive, the kids cope with uh the  ramifications and families and siblings co cope   with ramifications

166for a long time so uh just an  extra shout out uh to those kids and the people   who love them and the teachers who teach them for  September. Thank you Lauren by the way I've been   going to that school with children in the school  and others since for the last 17 years. I'm still   getting lost, so it's absolute, it it is I I don't  know who the architect was but I I want that name.  Miss Estep and then we're going to go on. Yes um  so um yep I will be at the forum on Thursday as   well, I was super excited to to find out that  it is totally student um led and we're getting uh   questions from the students. In 2018, it was um  I believe the student debate team who did it and  

167um and so you know just gives me energy and you  know that that's why we're here and so I'm I'm   looking forward to that, then let me see um so  the uh DEIAC has a meeting coming up sept September   25th um hopefully we will have members prior to  that, um you know our um Superintendent appointed   uh Ryan Kerr um who's uh one of the chairs and  um hopefully he can move forward to do his job   and support us in appointing um uh new uh  members who um have applied and we have a we don't   most of our members um left, so um hopefully  um we can do that uh very soon uh prior to the meeting. Clarifying question what time is that  meeting? DEIAC, you said the 25th, I'm just curious   as to when you

168usually meet? Well let me check yeah  6:30. 6:30 they usually go for an hour, half an hour?   An hour. All right that's cool thank you.  I'd like to entertain without reading this part   I'd like to entertain a motion to authorize  a consent agenda as printed. So moves Steben.   JS. Support Miller. JM. All in favor please say I. I...  Opposed. We have a consent agenda passed. Let   me just skip ahead items on the next agenda Dr.  Laatsch. Yep we're moving up uh enrollment update so   I'll provide an enrollment update with Miranda's  help and assistance with numbers for the next   meeting and we're also having Monique Uzelac she's  the director of WEOC which is Washtenaw Educational   Options. They support WIHI, Early College  Alliance, WAVE, and so forth and she's coming   to just talk about the programs to

169make sure the  Board of Education knows what they do and and that   some of our students do attend those programs,  and then um we'll go on close session for the   quarterly update for superintendent evaluation.  That's right there may be another item as well   well so thank you. We have public comment  and a member of the public may address the   board and I believe the member of the public  is sitting right now here, heading to the podium,   fully aware of the timing rules, because  this is not your first rodeo. I do have   a question and I and I kind of want feedback  from it, so because everybody has left. um it's   related to the SEAB teacher that stood here, I know she represented grade 5, my curiosity   you if you can answer, is if they're going

170to,  Cameron and Kristen Peavler, are going to send the  survey to the teachers without the names on it, is  that going to go to grade 6, 7, and 8 as   well? As they didn't, I just want to make sure that  all the teachers have the same opportunity to give the same kind of feedback and I don't know if I  should send them a question email or if that's   something that comes from y'all? Just it's best  that you send the email. To you or to them? Give   it to any either anyone was on the board we'll  make sure it gets to them unless you do have their   email addresses directly. Oh yeah I mean I just  didn't know if you were doing it anyway why send   them two. But a good question send it to them.

171Okay.  All right you haven't started your public comment   yet. No thanks it's like 90 seconds one I wanted to  publicly say thank you to all the um teachers who   did um back to school night for lack of a better  term at the High School um as a mom of more than   one student it is uh a challenge to get around the  building more than once to hit all 12 people um I   didn't make it um I did um however at my request  receive um 7 of the 12 syllabus or syllabi  excuse me um for the classes I'm looking forward  to receiving the other ones. I got the seven same   day um and I'm also looking forward to seeing the  syllabi for Hornet Time um which Karen and I going   to have a chitchat about later,

172it I think it  is really important especially in the last year or   two that it just seems like transparency is such  an issue and that such a volatile time, I think   it's important to know what's coming at you and um  or or what you want clarification on when it comes   to your kids, whether it's sex ed or after school  activity or how we're using academic time um so I   am appreciative to the teachers who did send it  already and I look forward to getting the other   ones as well because their time is valuable thanks.  Thank you Miss Gunnerson appreciate that. The next   board meeting will be held on September 24th at  6:30, in this room, and I'd like to entertain a   motion to adjourn the regular Board of Education  meeting at 9:02. So moved Estep.

173Thank you SE. Tim said support. Tim did you  just? Support. Move to support.   Let me carefully write your name down.  All in favor please say I. I... 7-0 thank   you very much everyone. 9:02 I said? Thank  you good night everyone. Oh [tap, tap] there we go.

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