October 13, 2025 Board Work Session

001Okay, let's call this >> to order. >> It is 8:05. Roll call, please. >> Yes, >> Miss Chley. here. >> Miss Williams >> here. >> Miss Miller >> here. >> Miss Karns >> here. >> Miss Whitney Lanning. >> And Mr. Richmond. >> Okay. All stand for the pledge of allegiance, please. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Approval of the agenda. Is there a motion? >> Thank you, Jennifer. Thank you, Kim. Have a motion in a second. Would you call the vote, please? >> Miller. >> Yes. Miss Williams, >> yes. >> Miss Chzn, >> yes. >> Miss Karns, >> yes. >> Miss Lanning, >> yes. >> Miss Richard, >>

002yes. >> And the motion passes. All approved. >> Items under discussion. >> Dr. McInness. Test test test. Okay. Thank you. Our first item up. Hello. >> Okay. Our first agenda item is our continuous school improvement plan. You should have that in your packets. It's also attached to assembly for the public. This is a five-year plan and it represents the collective feedback that we have had throughout our community starting with vision forward in 2022 and then also going through the process of our portrait of a graduate last year and then stakeholder feedback through surveys and focus groups this year. So this is the culmination of a lot of different voices in our community and it will serve as our five-year plan per board policy. So hopefully you had an opportunity to look at that. We do

003have our new mission, vision and values in here and our plan from DESIE and MSBA have strongly suggested that our two rocks be academics for our ABR and then school finance. So we knew those two would emerge from the feedback and then they also have resulted in additional areas. So we have five key priorities. That first one is effective teaching and learning and that's going to impact our HR or I'm sorry our APR. And then we have school finance hopefully with the goal of getting back to 20% for board policy. Our third priority is about recruiting and retaining high quality staff. Our fourth priority is about facilities. Also goes back to vision forward right sizing the district and also expanding early childhood programs. And there's also a focus on school safety and collaboration with first

004responders, law enforcement, etc. to keep our buildings safe. Priority five is about communication, climate, and culture. and we've been working on some of those pieces to make sure our community is looped in with all of this facilities discussion. So, this has been vetted through our regional rep through DESIE Nancy Gley. Um, and we have made sure that we are compliant with Senate Bill 681. There are specific components that we must have in our CIP regarding literacy. And so there's quite a bit on the teaching and learning side in this CSIP uh primarily with early elementary and literacy and also a focus on chronic absenteeism for those early elementary grade uh grades. So we hope that this is a living document. We also hope to discuss this quarterly with our board and be monitored through a

005newly created data dashboard. So that is something we are working on right now as a piece of transparency and accountability. If you have any questions about this whatsoever, I'd be happy to answer those. because I um I appreciate the um effort and collaboration that's gone into putting this together and um I'm thankful that I was able to be a part of that uh just as one ingredient and um no more than one ingredient but um um one of the things that I think for um for for the board but particularly for the community is for us to make sure that this is really about as important as anything that we do the CIP. I mean, we spend a lot of time right now talking about facilities and finances, but this is about educating our children

006and um and how we're doing that. I I'm really keyed into Dr. Stutter's report every time. Somehow we we need to make sure that we don't uh as we start to present results to that that we watch out that it's not this overwhelming document that becomes unmanageable in terms of um how do we read and really scorecard ourselves on how we're doing. And if we're not careful, there will be so many items here that we'll end up checking a box. did that, did that, and there will be very little way to really verify that we're making a difference and make an improvement. And so, kind of my challenge, maybe it's because of myself, is we we need to try to see how do we compress portion of this without losing it, I I think this

007stuff's all good. Without losing it, how do we compress it into a way that say these are things that we're doing to make a difference. For example, I think the U weekly reports on attendance that you're sending us are right in front of us every single time and it's easy to look and see and it shows what it was on this week of school all the way all the way through. And you may have to change that format a little bit, but we need to make sure that this isn't something that we just all shake our heads and say yes, but this got to be some of the meat of what we do for our district. So I think we need to figure out how do we do a score part of this meeting. >>

008I so appreciate you saying that this is the foundation for all of our work. This is why the CIP is listed first on the work session agenda. Everything else should should fall back to your CIP. And so this is really the meat and potatoes of our work. And I am very proud of this work because it is the voice a collective voice of our community truly. Um, and I I do think in the past we have created some CIP highlights for our board in our community, but this has every piece every action step. I'm going to stop now. Every action step in here that we will um have as a as a progress monitoring piece and I do think that data dashboard will help so that we can kind of track where we are at.

009Thank you for saying that. The other piece I wanted to add to this is the student voice. So we held some student sessions and what came out of that is students want hope. Students want opportunities for real world learning. They want relevant learning experiences. And so I I don't want to underestimate their voice in this because there are some pieces about real world learning and setting them up for careers. some of that exposure to what they could do after high school. There were some concerns that our kids are unsure what they want to do when they're in high school. And I think for those of us who are in buildings, we have seen that. And so it was um just reassuring for our kids to be able to articulate that they need help in that

010area to know what they want to do beyond high school. So um yeah, it's a it's a very collective piece of all voices from teachers to administrators to parents, business leaders, um students, just community members, the whole event. So this will be an action item at the October board meeting. So if you have any questions, happy to answer those. One of the things that I, you know, when we talk about finance, we've talked a lot about projections and this plan goes from 25 to 30. Um, and we've talked about how different decisions and different things within the school district affect the finances. One of the things that we've talked I mean obviously we've talked a lot about buildings and consolidations. My so I guess my question is with the CIP once we for if we

011decide to move forward with closures and consolidations does there need to be an acknowledgement of how this perhaps changes or is impacted over that fiveyear term um or that 5year period just with you know kids moving or if we grandfather them or if we um see larger school sizes, transportation, all those things. Does this need to be um does that does those changes need to be a consideration in this plan? >> Are you saying like to be edited as we >> Yeah. >> make decisions? >> Yeah. And I guess that's, you know, we've heard a lot of people say tonight, and I don't have I haven't all written, but um you know, as we make decisions, um we haven't I don't think we've teased out really how that's going to impact staffing or where exactly

012the staffing is going to be or how many sections there's going to be at each school or, you know, the number of certified versus not certified staff, what where we will end up. And I would tend to believe that those decisions are going to affect our academics. Um, and so I guess my question just is as we make those plans, do we need to go back and modify this? >> So your CIP is usually modified every year. >> You look at that every year and you can edit that as needed. So I would suggest keeping with the action steps that we have listed right now. As far as school finance goes, the big goal is getting back to that 20%. And I think as long as we have that as part of our data monitoring

013system, then that's something we'll be able to continuously track. All an effort to get to that 20% for policy. That's a huge piece on the school finance. I mean, there's others that are more systems processes related as far as turning things in on time and having a better system for federal programs. All of those kinds of pieces are in here. Um, so I I don't think it would have to be edited. >> I think my bit So I think some of the So I'm looking back at the people that spoke and one of the things that that stuck out to me was Miss Poe talked about how Field's APR is high and we've heard about how Bessie's scores are high and um just being mindful of of those changes that we make out in Miss

014Stewart's not nodding. So, I guess that's my point is just being able to continue and track and and make changes as we need to. >> Yes, this is a living document. >> That's what you mean. For sure. >> Any other questions or feedback on the sea? Okay. Well, thank you. I know I only kind of glanced at it. and everything. And so if I have other additional questions, um, I can just email them to you. And I know that every is this on maybe people can hear me though. I'm pretty loud. And so, um, if there's any questions after the fact, you know. >> Sure. I I'll add this one last piece because I do network with districts in the Kansas City area and other school districts typically contract out for their CEIP which can

015come to the tune of 16,000 to $25,000 are some of the numbers that I've received from Kansas City districts, Plat County, Celsa Springs, Park Hill. Some of those folks have utilized those external services. So, I'm super proud that we've also saved our district some of those funds with doing this internally. >> Thank you, Dr. McInness. >> There are no additional questions. Did you have a question? >> My comment on that is I 100% agree, but not because of the money. um because it's our plan and um and you know, we're talking tonight and heard from the community about we need a we need a plan for our community and our schools and and this is what we're talking about. And um and so I um I'm excited for us to work on that. And I

016want us I the only reason I continue to say that I want us just to be emphasizing that and and and taking pride in giving our community pride on the results that we're seeing from those actions. >> Okay. Number two, a draft of the facilities plan. >> Yes. So Miss Williams requested for this item to be on the agenda and it is a rough draft. very rough. It is a skeleton draft of a facilities plan because we need to know the direction of where we are going before we can build out our 1 to 5 years, 6 to 10 years, 11 to 15 years long range. either one of these options or if the board decides to entertain a third option that's going to drastically change the trajectory of our facilities plan. So once we

017have some of those decisions made then we will be able to build this out long term. So it is literally just an introduction to our district. And then you can see on the last page, I think it's 15, where we start the long range process. So one to five years and what that looks like and building that out all the way to 15 years. But we just need to know that direction. >> So we so we have the hearings or the hearing we have the public input. What are we have two plans one I understand has I won't rehash we were all here um what is what are you all recommending between the two plans >> we are not there yet we're waiting for the town hall and then we are going to reconvene as

018a district leadership team and decide after we hear from all the public >> so I I just kind of worry about I worry that we've put together two plans that is really pitting people against each other. Um, I would like for us to be I personally would like for us to be able to see that this is a plan that we think is better for the community or we think is better fiscally or how it impacts people because the longer we have just these two plans, you have staff that are like don't close my school but then that means that another school has to close. So, I worry about that. Um, I also just would like to know, are we going to entertain the plan E from the community? Um, I think this would probably

019be the point that we need to decide whether or not that's going to come in. Um, because if we wait much longer, we're going to we're we're a month behind. Well, because um a couple members of the board approached me um asking about information about the plan. I've asked um the creators of this extra plan if they're able to email it to me and then I'm able to get it, you know, to everybody else. I've even said if they're able, you know, to give it to the district and then you know over to us. I mean I just want everybody to be able to look at all option and then cuz it appeared as if members of the board are interested. Um I'll get the information and then I'll be able to pass it. I'm

020supposed to get it either tonight or >> Well, I thought I thought we already got it. >> Got what? >> The the plan E. So, I saw an email from Jeff Leak and then I've been asking him questions and my thing is this. I I've already >> Did you give it to everybody? >> I don't know. I don't know if you put it on a BCC or I surely I'm not the only person that you meant to send it to. Um, but my my point is it to me it can be easily ruled in or ruled out. Like if if our staff look at it and say these numbers are wrong or it doesn't impact fewer staff and students and it doesn't save more money, then I'm I'm fine with ruling it out. But I

021do think um it deserves some sort of at least initial assessment. >> I have a question about it. Will that plan E, will that plan be able to give us the exact same figures that are on this pamphlet in order if we're going to add a third option on here? In my mind, I've got to be able to look at all three on exactly the same playing field. >> Yeah. And >> Yeah. So, is that plan going to the number of staff? um blah blah everything that's in this pamphlet because otherwise it becomes an unfair or an unequal >> Well well I was going to ask if we're able to get the plan give it to the district I mean are we able to get that information >> well and and I've so I've sent

022emails back and forth to Mr. league. I don't even know what he's saying. Um, and just ask, you know, some questions. But I mean, it's going to be hard if they don't have they don't have access to all the the tools. So, so my thing is if if we could just get that plan and do an assessment of it and then it can be ruled in or it can be easily ruled out. In my mind, >> I think we got to be careful. Um, we need to make sure that when you look at a separate plan that comes from outside, you know, are all the enrollment figures correct? You know, or does that plan overstate our high school population by 150? Do the numbers at the elementary actually match what is in our GIS system

023for the actual physical address. All those things haven't been drilled down. So I would rather see the board say, "Hey, we have a two high school model for plan two. We have a two high school plan 7. We would like to look at a three high school model and actually use the data tools that we have to give you numbers for that and what the financials look like that if you wanted to look at that because that's I feel like what everybody is talking about with plan E is the three high schools. I could be wrong. Um, you know, did have some other closures in there. Um, I think it was two or three buildings. I didn't see it in depth. Um, but looking at it quickly, I feel like if I I misread the

024room, I could be, but that it keeps all three high schools open. So, I'd rather operate from that standpoint. Um, so that way we can use our GS system, look to see what that looks like. We can compare with the others if that's the will of the board. Um, but I'd like to look at it more that way than just subplanning, you know, random plan in the middle of the two that are there. >> I like that idea. Are we able to do that? Well, I'm just going to say I've seen an overwhelming response on that plan. I mean, everybody, this town, I feel like it's been so divisive. One, two, three high school, but tonight and this last week, that's all I've heard is everybody coming together wants to look at this plan. So,

025I think with all the research that everybody's done, they put the time into it, I think it it deserves to be looked at. I would agree with that. And the numbers are already there. I mean, if we're able, you know, to look at the plan, >> the enrollment numbers are not correct on that platform. >> Well, well, it's what I was going to say. If if you're able to look at the plan and you're able to put the correct information or look at the plan as a guide in order to keep the three schools, is there time to make a new plan? >> Absolutely. That's what I'm trying to gather from the board. Is it is it the three high schools that you that people liked about planning? Was it something else? I feel like

026reading the room is the three high schools and then we can give you the data for that, the financials behind it, things like that. It'll take some time. I mean, there's a lot of time to go through all the staffing to figure out how that movement goes. I mean, it just does. Um, but that's where I'm trying to gauge instead of just >> popping plan E in there. Is it the three high school piece of that that is liked about it? And then we can dive deeper. >> It's the majority of it. Yes. And so >> if there's other pieces of it that are likely that would be evaluated that would very be help helpful as well for us to >> dive deeper into that. >> I think the overwhelming response of looking into the

027elementary schools as well and looking at the equity within the middle schools. >> Yeah. I mean if if we can and even if you know I'm I'm not saying that that plan is perfect. I'm not saying that I would even support that plan, but I do think we've talked about two high schools. We've talked about Bessie, we talked about Field, we talked about Wesley, we talked about all these things. If there's a community group that's taken the time to put forward a plan, this is the only and I'm not saying that every everybody that sent us a spreadsheet, we go down that rabbit hole. This has been um a concerted effort from the same group uh for years. So, let's either look at it and say yes, it's feasible or no, it's not feasible and

028either move forward with it or not. >> Dr. Hedgecore, I'd like you to be able to pl put the numbers in. >> Yes. Through that. >> Sure. And you know, I just look quickly the high school population. I did not look closely at the other numbers, so those could be correct, but I did notice on the high school population, it was overstated by 150. And so, it is they might not have access to the same data. Um, right? you know that we have so understood but that's why I wanted to gasp you know from the 10,000 foot level what was like about that was it the three high school was it certain elementaryaries that closed not closed I know Webster was on that list and so that's what I wanted to get because I I

029didn't want to bring data to the board and then you say you missed the mark >> here's what we liked about plan E specific things we want you to compare to the other plan two and seven and then that we can fully vet that idea as well. >> I have I and I'm just seeing it briefly because I've been doing other things, but my when I glanced at it and maybe I didn't look at it closely enough for a long period of time. Does it include adding a third early childhood center? >> I don't remember one but I I like I said I didn't >> that's what I'm not sure either. That would be one of my concerns because both of the other plans do add that >> ability extra academic support for children and

030so that would be something I would be curious about. >> I also don't know if it creates a model to have seven eighth grade only at the middle school, >> right? >> Um I didn't see the information there. I think that's my disadvantage is I feel like I don't know what's in that plan. And part of these things were talked about and decided before we had the last bond issue that we were we were heading this way. And I'm not ever opposed to saying, "Hey, let's look at alternatives." But I I don't want to um I don't want to open that door um for every every idea that might come along, my my own included, and put an unnecessary burden on the on the administration. At least right now, we've indicated that we're had an

031open meeting tonight. We've discussed that option because that option hadn't been on the table. Now, we're going to have another one next Tuesday. and is it going to be um baked out enough to be on the table? Um and then at the board meeting on the 27th, the intention was we vote on a plan and are we, you know, sitting here tonight that's two weeks from now. Are we going to be able to get that information and then digest that and make a decision on that different plan even though um right now it falls in the category of status quo to me and that that part was vetted already the status quo isn't going to work and so I'm okay if there's an overwhelming feeling but I haven't seen the plan good enough to say

032I think it's a viable plan that we should actually go back and pause and reconsider. I heard a lot of things from the public tonight about saying don't be afraid to pause and I'm not. Um I just want to make sure that I also heard them talk about that we need to move with urgency because there's a lot of pieces to be put together. So I I don't want us to be distracted. If the administration feels like they can get that put together, I'd love to look at it. But if not, then we just need to move forward. That's where I'm coming from personally. Are we able to get the information? >> I haven't reviewed the plan either. Uh I don't think we have any problem taking a look at it. Can we develop it

033to that extent? I don't know that we would have that time frame to be able to do that. But here's what I want to say. None of these plans are going to be perfect. All of these plans are going to upset people. We've been talking about reconsolidation, rightsizing our district for many, many years, and it feels like we could be kicking the can down the road a little bit. Um, I just think we have to be very careful if we're opening up another plan. What do we do when someone else comes out with their plan and another plan and then before you know it, it's December and we're going to hold off another year? And so at first glance we can look at that. It's I I think the capacity piece would be something that

034would be of value of determining that um along with staffing operational costs. So we can do that um to say it will be to that extent next Tuesday. Probably not. But I think we could give you enough information to where you can decide if this is something we strongly want to consider or not. >> Yeah. And that's I mean that's all I'm asking for is that you know it's not um so we all received this email with the attachment on October 10th at 426 and then I had asked some questions so I I can't hold up whether or not that it had the attachment on it or not. That that's all I'm asking. I I want change and I understand the the the urgency that we need for change. Um, but this is also a

035big decision and and this group, again, this is not just somebody put together some things and sent us an email. This group has been operating for several years. Um, they've developed a a group. They've they've been interviewed by the news media. I mean, they they seem like a um at least in somewhat organized uh effort. So, that's all I'm asking is that we can we can easily say yes or no. This is so far off this is not even something we can consider. >> We can do that. >> I think we can do that by next Tuesday. And like I said, it may not be that detailed, but I think we can give you some data on what we think about that once we have the plan. Somebody can send that to our team. >>

036Perfect. >> Anything else as far as facilities goes? I know there was some conversation um about boundaries and so is there anything else from public comment that you want us to revisit? I'd love to have that. Now >> one of the things that we I feel like we've touched on and I'm not sure we've got obviously we've gotten a lot of emails. I'm not sure that we have teased out or really discussed with the Benton Hide plan. So for sure that is the model that we're looking at is a ninth grade center. Am I correct in saying that? Okay. >> Yes. So and the only reason I'm considering it a nth grade center is because our nth graders would be in that site. Um and um so when you look at that Dr. Ree um

037and Dr. Davis and myself sat down and said what courses can we offer at Hyde um that concentrates our nth grade. Um, and then what courses do we need to offer over at Benton to ensure that our kids are still engaged and love coming to school? Um, for example, like woodworking and metal working, those courses, they have to be offered over at Benton. We want our freshmen to come to those courses. That's the whole reason they're coming to school. They love um that work. Um, but as far as like what we did is we looked at the whole freshman schedule and said this is what is best academically for a freshman regardless of whatever um decision is made. There was already in works um the redesign of the high school coursework. So I think so

038my cons my concern remains about the Bit and Hide model is the travel between the two buildings for for staff and for students that and and I understand that there are other places that do that but that that building high has no elevator. Correct. >> All right. >> Right. So it's a it's a large building. It's got um a lot of stairs. So for me I'm still worried about that ADA accessibility. I I personally am not worried about the the geography um because what I keep hearing about the geography between Central and Lafayette is that it doesn't set us up for a new high school in the future. Well, we've shown that we have repurposed buildings and then repurposed them back. So, uh, you know, we still have those buildings and I do worry in

039this long range plan. Am I reading it correct that we're talking about going back out to the public for a new high school bond issue >> eventually >> in April of 27 >> possibly? Um, again, this is a skeleton, nothing set in stone. Um, ultimately it would depend on which route we go and then we would have to kind of build end in mind and go backwards to right now. But that was the thought. Yes, I so my I would I think someone earlier said that that would it would be considered delusional and I kind of tend to to agree. Um and the reason why I think that is um obviously because of some of the issues that we ourselves have caused and we're on the board of education so we're just as guilty as

040everyone else. Um, but also if in less than 12 months we're going to do all this change, we're you're upsetting everyone across the district, all the voters across the district. And then to think that we'll be able to get 60% of the vote. And and here's why I'm saying that is because right after you you do all these consolidations in August of next year, you're immediately or perhaps before that going to have to be talking about land acquisition and design. And those are exciting things. and it seems like it doesn't match that we're trying to make sure that we achieve accreditation and we're trying to make sure that we achieve our fund balance targets and then we're also buying something shiny and new and exciting like that that that to me I don't think is

041a good use of time and that's my concern. I have one more comment on tonight that I thought was a a theme that came through here at Denton. Um, which wouldn't necessarily been the likely place, but I'd like for Mark, I'm going to ask you maybe to to help with this, but it came up in one of our previous board meetings about the fact that um, Bessie Ellis and Eugene Field are high performing um, schools. And there and and what I'm continuing to hear, the feeling is they're not just high performing kids, they're high performing schools from a cultural standpoint and other and other things. And so I think we I think it it does give us pause to say what we're what we're closing here are two of our most successful schools. And there

042there's nothing about that that doesn't feel weird to me. It feels a little weird. I'm not being protective of those schools. I'm just saying I heard that from the public tonight and I think we need to pay attention to that and and it needs to cause us to think through um are we missing anything or is there is there something we can do to um help help um make sure that we don't slip back with that kind of a change? >> Can we So to that point, can we look at any potential APR changes? I I don't know if that was a factual statement or not. Um, I do also want to say, um, Skate Elementary is a great school. They have great students, staff, and families. And, um, I just want to make sure

043they they hear that tonight. I have a question. A person made a comment about 10 million deferred maintenance. Is that correct? >> I'm not sure where they got that number. >> Excuse me. I'm not sure where they got that number. Um I'm not pulling off of old vision board forward documents or is Casey in the ground. Any recollection you have from a 10 million deferred maintenance cost on I was that before the roof damage maybe? I don't know. >> The roof 600,000. >> Okay. >> I have no I don't believe >> it just um >> Thanks. caught my attention and so I figured I would ask about it now. Okay, >> I just have a few comments that I want to make. Um, first of all, what some of the overwhelming things I heard from

044people that makes my heart happy is the um the community and the culture that they were talking about in their buildings. And I really feel like that is due to staff. It's due to how we treat children. It's due to how we give children choices. There's a variety of different ways that culture can be created. And so just because I'm in Hosia with one of my Missouri Western classes, that's a large school that when the the shift came for Lake Contrary children to come there, um that was a rocky road to start with. But what I've seen the two administrators do in that building, even though they have lots of children, is to create a community and culture in that building, even though there are lots of children. And um that I mean we had

045that when I taught at Edison and I really think that opportunity is available for any school anywhere in the entire world to create that culture because that comes from the adults in the building and the different things that they can do to create that culture. I think it also comes from how welcoming are we to have families come in the building to offer opportunities for them to volunteer to come to family events. All those kinds of things can be created no matter what school we keep open, what school we keep closed. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes some time for that to happen. But I truly believe that that can happen. I truly believe the curriculum is the same in every school in our district. and those high performing children are not going anywhere. Um

046even if they end up being with a different group, um those children um are still going to be in our district. And so I think really think that's something we need to think about. I I think this is a major and very very difficult decision that I've lost a lot of sleep over and I will continue losing sleep over it. I appreciate everybody who came out tonight and all the passion they have for our schools. Um, I really feel like we should be mostly concerned if nobody showed up tonight. That would be a great concern because that would just show that our community doesn't support our schools at all. So, I think we've got to figure out how we wrap around um as a community, not just the school board, not just the administration, but

047as a community, how we we wrap around and make that continue to happen because I really feel like it can happen at any any school anywhere. Um, so that's one thing I wanted to say and I am excited all the people that came. I have lots of notes that I need to now go back and rehash and re and relook at. I am looking at one of the things that I've been looking at and having some aha moments about uh since Friday is just the general boundaries that are on here. And I'm glad to hear that they can be a little bit flexible because I have some concerns in general about um people who live um in an area of our town where they're not going to get a decision to get a new high

048school because they're going to be shifted south and they still live north. So if we can maybe take a look at some of the boundaries of children that are going away from north to Denton if that ends up being the So I don't know if that is something we can look at some shift in those boundaries. Um let's see take a look here in my other notes. Um I don't know. I just have a lot of individual people I think I want to speak to between now and the time to make a decision some of the people that spoke tonight and I am looking forward to seeing the third plan. But I agree that we have to be careful that that we don't all of a sudden then have a fourth plan and a fifth

049plan because at some point we have to draw the line. And I think um unfortunately we're in a situation where doing something is not an option and we are the ones that are going to be steward to do that. And I think in the past we've probably been as a district in that same position. I know I had my salary frozen three or four different times when I was teaching and we never did anything. And I really think now uh we we have to do something. And I really feel like that all of us board members, administration, and everybody really our hearts really are about what's best for our community. And it's just going to be a very difficult decision. Change is my worst enemy. I don't like it at all. I've had several things

050in my life put on me that I didn't even have any control over. And um that's not fun, but eventually we can work through that as a community and we support our kids. And I really feel like how the adults um are initiating conversations with children who they're not even capable of understanding really the big impact on what this what this means for everybody from an adult perspective. Um I think we have to be careful how we're engaging with children about this um because we can make it positive or we can make it negative for the kids in our community. I agree with you, Rhonda. But I do have one more question that's been addressed tonight. I think I've asked it and um I've been emailed it as well several times. The middle school, can

051you speak to the extracurricular activities of how the teams are going to work, especially with the 900 and the two uh smaller schools and there's going to be more teams and where you're going to be playing. Do you know >> to add to add to that? So the option two gosh, I get them all. This is Lafayette. >> So that plan has the three middle schools, four middle school. >> If it's Lafia Central, then Benton is a large middle school in the south. If it's Benton, Central, then Lafayette is a large middle school. >> Sorry, I've been looking at like every all kinds of there's so many plants. Um, how how do we get to four to three? >> Yeah. So the the reason that was is to you know consolidate another building because consolidating

052a building really is the catalyst to be able to um consolidate staffing. What I mean by that is every building site that you have uh you have custodial staff, you have nutrition services, you know, you have to maintain those sites, you have to have front office staff and administrator. So, um, yes, if you keep all your buildings, you know, open, um, you know, you can still look to, you know, reduce staff through attrition, but it's harder to find those opportunities. And so, by having one larger middle school, we, if you look in the facilities plan, I believe that has in there, uh, we look in the future to have two middle schools instead of three. So, that's a just a transitional period until we could get to two larger middle schools. Um, one thing I

053will say, there's a lot of discussion about the extracurricular activities. Um, there's a couple different things. One, uh, those two middle schools could co-op um, if if needed to create one school they plan or I know that's done a lot in some other districts. And two, I think it would depend on what decision is is chosen by the board and where those high schools um, align with their conferences. And so, you know, the St. school could align with MEC with that second smaller school or they could align with Suburban with that second smaller school. And so there are larger middle schools in that suburban conference and so there's some opportunities there. So it just depends on that conference alignment I think with the high schools about what you can do with those middle schools as

054well. Is there a plan 100% laid out? No, because we are going to schools and talking to people and getting their feedback and getting their opinion because that's what we want before something's put in place. And so that process is going on and for us just to say this is the way it would be, I feel like would be preemptive. We want to make sure we're listening and getting that feedback. And um Dr. Noly led a great meeting with our athletic directors and the administrators of each building uh in our high school level to talk about that. um you know if if a plan two is chosen and plus seven is chosen if there is no decision and we're staying status quo what does that look like for St. school district. So had some great

055conversations to kind of line us up to where it whatever decisions made, we quickly understand where people stand and what we need to do next. >> So then normally when there are bigger schools though, like maybe you did address this, they just overheard it. Is there usually more teams that get put on so more kids can play? >> Yes, absolutely. you want to have the opportunities for everybody whether it's a 900 kid school or a 300 kid school and so you have more teams and at that seventh and eighth grade level there are opportunities for a lot of people to play games whether you however deep you go with those teams and so uh you could absolutely have more teams with those larger schools or like I said co-op with those two smaller middle schools.

056>> Okay. And then my other question that I want to address from the comments tonight is the transportation is the transportation transportation cost going to go up going to these plants. >> That is a big what if question. I can't give you that because we don't have the exact population to show for a student to then run a bunch of scenarios in the routing software to then show what that looks like. Um in some places there going to be winners and losers. some situations you're going to have people have less of a a bus ride and some you're going to have more. And so I I would say if there is an increase, it's not going to be a huge increase. Um but you will in certain areas have kids with larger drive times. There's

057no doubt about it. And certain areas you won't. It just depends on each person's situation and which plan is chosen. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Oh, I think >> as you mentioned about the middle school, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. >> As you mentioned about the middle school, about the eventual plan to go to two, is the plan to build a second middle school or >> just >> because when you're looking at the capacity, >> maybe I'm missing something. >> No, you're not. You're not missing something. You're absolutely right. So, two, if you went to two middle schools, you don't have a capacity. So, you would have to add on a lean to one of those um in one of the bonds down the road. So that's just, you know, rough

058draft, big picture. Um, I'm going to say thank you again to Dr. McInness because a lot of people pay outside groups to create these facility plans and she was the big driver with that. So appreciate her work with that. Um, but that is something that you look at our desired state. Our desired state would be for uh two junior highs of seventh and eighth grade of somewhat equitable size to have equitable opportunities. We know in year one it wouldn't be that way because we have the facilities we have to work with. Um but it we would do want to see a state where not only the high schools are equitable to have the same class offerings and and situation but also at the middle school level as well. And please anybody chime in if I

059missed anything. >> You're you're doing great. I will also say I think we have to be mindful of our declining enrollment. That is a reality and I think the Preston Smith study from 2019 is very telling. we have come in lower than the low projection. And so I think we have to be very cognizant of that as we move forward and we're planning for facilities for the future. I think we have to use that data to guide our decision. >> If this isn't too large of an ask, it's completely okay. But I know that they I know that that assessment or whatever it's called, it was from 2019 and we've actually um accomplished lots of upgrades in the meantime. Are we able to get a list of the upgrades? Yeah, if you would like DLR

060to go through the buildings again and and do an assessment looking at the HVAC upgrades, looking at different other u whether it's a new roof on hide or other situations uh we absolutely could um you know please note that DR to this point has worked totally in kind and so they have worked with the premise that we would you know pass a bond not pass a bond and so they have not charged some dime so far but because we don't have any type of nearterm offering that we're going to have we would need to start um having their services charged to us uh to only be fair um because they have done so much for so long in time um that we would we would need to see that as a okay we don't have

061anything in the near term that we're doing you're doing this for a service >> well or even if we're able to get an unofficial list like pos's information a new roof in 2022. >> If you would like the 2019 data and then for us to give you qualitative data that says, okay, yes, here's the quantitative rate they gave the building, but qualitatively we have new roof, asphalt improvement, playground to those. We could do that. I think that would be helpful cuz you know before I came on the board I I didn't know every building that got every single thing and and you constantly here they just closed it and they just put this on it and you know I know what we've done in the last 3 to four years but to know that something

062happened seven years ago and cost x amount of money I wouldn't have known. >> Yeah. >> Well and me going through these plans all the time I'm looking at that DLR report. In fact, I question so much about it. So when I look at those listings, that's why I keep questioning about Eugene Bill and Betsy and Pirating. And then when it's outdated though, it's very hard for me to look at it. So it would be nice to have an updated list. So when I'm making decisions and asking questions, I haven't updated information. >> Sure. Well, I I do think we have to have some sort of answer for we just put HVOC in this building and now we're going to close it. um we just did this to it and now we're you know the

063ELC we just webster we just did some of these things that doesn't bode well with um financial um I don't know even just financial literacy like okay you did all this and now >> yeah I know hindsight's 2020 and I'm brand new um but you know if when we ran the levy increase and it failed our plan B was central Lafayette it didn't have anything else with it. So, if plan B would have had something expanded about these buildings with it, um then some decisions about, okay, are we going to put more money into this building if there's an HVAC issues? If there's roof issues, are we going to hold off because it's on plan B to hold off? You know, so um I'm just hypothetically speaking of why maybe some money was put into

064some buildings that maybe, you know, in the long range it wasn't meant to be there. But my only hypothetical just looking from an outside view coming in brand new and trying to look through all that division four stuff is that plan B only had okay central the high schools that didn't have a complete theater part of it. So, I know I think there's another factor and I u I was on the finance committee for a long time before um you know we we didn't have air conditioning forever and that was a need cuz our our schools are modern and and so the retrofitting of the schools and along came Oracle money. So, we're going to We spent a lot of money that um we didn't have and and I'm not saying we missed spend it,

065but we spent a lot of money because it was available to us to do things that um to to these buildings. Kind of saying we have this money um it can be used for this. let's get this done and approve our buildings probably without looking at what's a long range plan and saying um we're gonna we're gonna close this within the next two years. So um that was done the windows and all the schools have been done all those kind of things have been done as if the schools are going to last forever. I'm just going to add one more thing and I know I say it every time, but I do think you guys you guys just put a lot of work into this and we see it and I don't think any of

066us are sleeping well right now over this. We take it seriously, but we do see the hard work you guys are doing and I think we all know we need change. >> So, I just want you to know we do appreciate it and you have answered every single question I have asked. Even if I don't like the answer, you've answered it. So, thank you. >> Absolutely. Can I go back to boundaries feedback because I just want to know if that's the will of the board if we need to go back and look at something with boundaries that you mentioned earlier. >> I was just looking at this little chunk here underneath um well either plan underneath where the Oak Grove boundary is that little chunk there and then this big gap. Is there any way

067that little chunk of children could maybe be included in that closer north boundary so they're not riding a bus all the way down to them? That was just something I had noticed. Um especially and thank you Jake for these maps. They are so much more helpful to be able to understand kind of where things fall. So that was a question especially on the bitten hide where it's got that little little jutted place there. Could it just include all of those kids back up with those north kids? That's just a question I had. >> And I'm along that line a little bit when I asked say what's our current line. So I think that um schools like Persian um Ellis that we're considering >> for that boundary line. This little chunk can go up here and

068this little chunk can go up here >> because of this gap in here. >> Yeah. So that's stone crest. >> Okay. So if we do that, that's approximately 100 elementary kids. >> Okay. >> Um, so if we shifted that north, I mean, we could, but it would require basically a complete redraw because we had to go all the way and shift it all the way. >> Okay. >> But I mean, if that's the the will of the board, then we are meeting right here. >> A little chunk in there. Don't cross. >> Yeah. Well, so this chunk here is stone crest and he was asking about it going north. >> Oh, I thought we were like right there. >> This chunk here. >> Yeah. Okay. >> My only thing I think I've already asked Jacob

069before is my only concern with boundaries is if they're in walking distance with the school that they stay within that school, the mile radius or whatever. I don't know if that's feasible of any sorts, but I mean some kids they walk because they don't have a ride. So if they have if they're in walking distance of one school, I don't know why we need to bust them to another if that makes sense because the buildings are not where they need to be. And I think I think having looked over over all these for how many years we've done this because most of the buildings are in the center corridor, you're you're going to have long commutes for kids like some kids are going to have long commutes. I guess my perspective would be with lower

070income kids are predominantly walkers whose parents um rely heavily on bus transportation. um that we need to be mindful of that. Um so that's why I would be less concerned about where about the stone crust. >> Well, and I know this is not 100%. I know there's people struggling everywhere, but >> Well, I'm glad you mentioned that cuz mom, I'm looking at the plan number two and I'm looking at the boundary. I know that in the plan Edison feeds into Benton Middle School. And right now I know that Edison only has two school buses. Everyone else car riders and walkers. And if you're putting Edison, if you're looking at only plan number two, I mean, if you're putting Edison all the way to Benton Middle School, I think that that is going to create a

071big issue. >> I guess I have a question just because I don't know which map to find on plan two because I've looked at a whole bunch of them, too. Does Bo stay open or does Bowie close? Bod keeps open for both. >> Okay, thank you. I can't remember what >> you found. Can we see the public? I think they are. >> I don't know if they are, but we can >> because I just got them out today. >> Are they like all day? >> Oh, you just put these out today? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, I can Okay. Anything else about number two? If there isn't, let's move on to Can I Can I ask one thing just so I have clarity here? >> So, you want a projects list of things that

072have been done to buildings and then boundaries. We're looking at Stone Crest. We possibly are looking at Edison. Is that consensus of the board for us to do that? >> That's not I'm not I'm not interested in that one person >> on either. >> I am. >> I mean, if we're looking at press, I will look at that. Okay. >> I think that's only fair. >> I just need consensus if that's what we're doing. But that's going to change all the way around, right? >> It would. I don't know what that would look like, but Jake would help us with that. >> And are we going to see if it's feasible or did we decides not to looking at the kids who are in walking distance? >> Um, we can and the tricky part is

073open enrollment, too. So, you have people who are living in Central's district and going to Balia or going to Benton. So that's kind of the that's going to be thrown off in that data, but we can look at the case. But >> yeah, I'll do some research and see if we can figure that out. I'm not for sure. >> Thank you. Sorry, I just wanted to get clarity on what we need to do moving forward. >> So we're going to we're going to look at changing the boundaries to accommodate. We're going to change the We're going to look at revising the boundaries of both plans. Or is it just one plan that has that issue? >> Just one. >> It's just number seven. >> Well, the Storest would be both, but I think the Edison

074would just be >> Sorry. >> The Edison would just be the one >> and Edison we just if we want to ship Edison north, we would have to ship another school south. >> And and and here's >> or or we put Columbia that 1350 kids would be if we just do it. >> And so that's that's just my concern is that, you know, we're going to and we've heard we've heard about this a lot is that we're going to take um an affluent area and shift the whole thing to accommodate for that. That's I just want to see your mind again. Um you mentioned about this area Rhonda. What was your reasoning again? I'm sorry. >> Well, looking at I'm just And we don't have to do this. I was just noticing there's this big

075This is plan two. There's this big gap where no kids are. So, we're busing these kids over this big gap south when there's all kinds of kids right here and we're busing them or moving them a shorter distance if we moved them across. That's All that's all I'm saying. >> Well, I I don't I think that is the primary thing, but I think it's also those we're we're And that's why I want to look at what's happening on the schools that are closing because we're dividing Ellison with that because those kids currently go to Ellison with the kids on the north side of that and and we're talking about what's good for the kids, what's good for the relationships. It doesn't if we don't unnecessarily need to divide those kids then I don't want to

076do that >> which might make it easier if we have to make that hard decision and close Ellison if at least some of those kids and families could stay together. is just a question I'm asking. >> I can understand that like only I know we're not supposed to, you know, look at things as it's more of an issue X or Z. Like, and number two, if we leave it alone, a lot of those Edison kids are not going to make it all the way to Bitten >> to go to middle school. >> It's a fact. I mean, a lot of them are early making it to Edison and they live in their neighborhood. And so, I think if we are going to look at that, I want to look at keeping these kids in school.

077I mean, it's a priority. And so, >> I totally agree. >> I just really really worry about that. >> I I totally agree with what you're saying. um because it is difficult for them to come to school because there are only two buses there. I totally pretty good with that. So is there is there any interest in bringing back a for middle school model or work work beyond that because keeping voting or keeping keeping four middle schools addresses some of that >> or have we passed? >> We can certainly do you know whichever you like. I know just to give you a reason behind it is once you go to two high school model you have this large building um that has you know 900,000 1100 capacity whether you're talking about Ben or Lafayette and

078how do you take advantage of that capacity how do you become more efficient and so that's why the larger middle school model was used um to create that efficiency you you could keep it smaller but then you're having you know 350 or 400 kids in a building that capacity of 900,000. Um, and it just has that 50% 55% empty capacity of that inefficiency. That that was a reason why >> I I just had a had a thought. Um, and this and I know we could have 9 million plans. The longer this goes on, the more we're going to change our minds. I I get that. What would happen if we looked at some of these? Let's say we go back to the four middle school model because I also have concerns about putting all those

079middle school children in one big building. Right now my granddaughter's in a 800 kid middle school in North Kansas City and you it is it is what it is. They have lots of teens and all that. But what if especially when we're talking about getting rid of so many facilities? What would happen if we had that four four school or four middle school model and we looked at taking this I'm just throwing this out here TMC um some of these other little >> yeah some of those little buildings that don't have children in so that's not going to affect any children because I know at one point in time we talked about moving all that into central eventually. What would happen if we moved all that into the high school so we had kids and

080those kinds of things going on in the high school to utilize that extra space until we can get ourselves together and do do I don't even know what I'm trying to talk about how maintenance because I don't think I was building I think maintenance building is where did he go he's not >> I know it's really old >> he's not it's really it's really old >> so to that home. I'm I'm less worried about filling it with kids because we have other buildings that, you know, we could get rid of Keely, we could get rid of the maintenance rather than we have 900 kids here and then two smaller ones here and then it it solves some of your proximity and your geographical issues that we're talking about. >> So, are you saying whether it's

081Benton or Lafayette, that's not a high school anymore, that becomes a >> district that becomes a middle school. school and some of these district >> outline little things we have and that would be a way to get rid of more buildings to less have less upkeep. >> So looking at Lafayette, it's a threetory building. >> I don't know how you would be able to accomplish it in Lafayette. I could be wrong. I'm just saying on top of my head if it is spread a little more horizontally. Um I think it it would be tough to have a dual purpose of you know part kids and part district office facilities. >> Well but Keely Peely is going to be a lot of kid programming. I mean that's not going to be trenches and or you know

082all completely maintenance. My my concern I'll I'll say my my biggest concern besides the financial changes is the not having that fourth middle school creates geographical issue for low-income kids and um size disparity >> Jake one of that model that formal school model was actually a different option >> when we had one through seven right correct Yes. >> You remember which option that was? >> I think E. >> 4 B. >> Was it five? >> 4 B. 4 B. >> 4 B and I think three unlocked. >> Okay. So, >> one or there was one both ways. Yeah, it was it was 4B because 4C really we kind of talked about repurposing BOD or retiring voting in 4C as an option. So pretty >> it is 4B >> and and I think part of the

083the hard thing is and and I get it. we're talking about all over the all over the place and we've been here for a long time. But I do think, you know, if we see the if we see, okay, we went with this plan, but it's causing some problems in certain areas, then we should. But again, but I I don't I if if other people don't think this, then that's fine. I'm fine with moving on. >> And I I agree with you, too, that we could talk about this for a long long time. I guess I'm just trying to different things come along as we have more conversation. For me, it's just saying >> and I'm just Larry of choosing a plan. I don't know if this is still on. I'm just Larry of choosing

084a plan in order to make a move and then the plan creates other issues in the district. I'm just not >> comfortable with that. Well, and you're going to have to me you're going to have another vision forward in 5 10 15 years that says how do we get these 900 kids out of this? How do we create you know we're we're creating equity issues ourselves. Well, we're going to have another open forum in a week and we're going to have the same kind of discussion with the different ideas that come up. And I I hear us mix between we need to do something and not take it down the road. I've heard us say that before. And then and then I also hear us say, well, we need to flesh out all of these

085nuances. And I I don't disagree with that either. But um we we've got to decide that maybe maybe it's becoming evident that we're not going to make the October 27th time frame. >> Well, that was my question. >> Yeah. And and I think my my answer what I what I would >> what I kind of had in mind or what my hope was is that you know to me once we got this plan so I would I'll clarify. I still would like to see plan E. Um, but if we're only going with these two plans, then to me, you have to go with the plan that's gets us to our fiscal goal. So, I I would have thought that we would have come here and said, "Okay, we we are evenly split. We don't know

086if we should do two or seven or we're like, okay, we're able to say the the option that doesn't get us financially where we need to be. We we have just to be financially um responsible, we have to stop talking about it." So then we move on to this plan and then we say okay how do we tweak this plan? >> Well well I would agree with you because in all honesty the reason of the urgency is over the finances and so if the reason over the urgency is money go with the plan you know that's about the money. Okay. But the problem is is that it's not a good enough plan. But but I but that's my point and that's my point with bringing up plan E is I'd like I would like to

087see that so that we can either move it forward or put it to rest. And to me with two and seven if seven doesn't get us to 20% then you have to put it to rest and then you go to plan two and say okay we're on two do we do four? How do we tweak plan two? But if we keep tweaking plan two and then going back to plan seven, is that what we're going to keep doing? Because plan seven doesn't even get us there. Dr. McInness, with all of this wanting to you to check this, check that. That should set that time frame back some, wouldn't it? If we're going to spend our time tweaking and changing and bringing in a different plan, >> how does that uh from that? And I I

088think we also need to be mindful that we have people watching at home right now who are staff who are families. >> Yeah. >> And so we have said we are focusing on two and seven and we can look at plan E and and see what we think about that. My concern continues to be no if we have no action. I think that's the worst decision for next year just because of the financial position that we are in. None of these plans are going to be perfect. I said that earlier. I still feel that way. I think um we are going to have to disrupt our system to move forward with change. And it's hard. I I understand we went from four to three. That was a financial piece. That was a capacity piece. But

089now I'm getting the sense like we're getting back to the drawing board, which I thought we didn't want to do back in August. >> So I don't I don't think we're back to the drawing board at all. Like to me, we have we have two plans. One gets us financially where we and I don't I don't like these plans. Not that you know, I don't I don't love this, but we have one that doesn't even achieve the financial goal. So, I would have thought if it doesn't achieve the financial goal, we put it to rest and then we take, okay, here's what we're doing with number two. How can we make two better? Not perfect, but how can we make two better? and say, "Okay, we've put seven to rest. In the meantime, you we

090look at plan E and if plan E also doesn't beat plan two, then you you know process of elimination. But now we can move forward with two and say we're going to make two better like so I so as the will of the board because I also think we don't we don't have to keep moving forward saying come come community fight over plan two and fight over plan seven if we know we don't even have four people on the board that are interested in looking at seven again because of the financial impact. which holds the greatest uh opportunity for future building and I think that's what the plan said it was but but that feels moved >> us further along >> that that I worry about that again we're talking about the future of a

091build it it feels like we are going bankrupt and then planning our building our dream house you see I'm saying like >> I just don't see >> that's not the only thing that does though I think plan seven also Um, plan 7 also says we're not and and I realize there's a there's a positive to doing what you're saying and that um the board previously had said Bittton's going to close if this doesn't pass but the fact is is that Bittton's alone or quite a ways from the other two schools and the I and to have two schools in different parts of town has has a better appeal than to two being close to each other. We've talked about transportation, all that kind of thing. And so I think that I think that that's what

092keeps it alive is the fact that um geographically it's better positioned um than the two schools of yours, >> but but it's not it's not financially. >> I'm just I agree with that. >> So So that so that is my question. I'm not trying to be argumentative with you. >> Yes, you are. Because what I'm saying you've said that multiple times about that. I understand that. But the fact is is that you asked about what are the reasons that we'd still be considering that one is we've told the public that's what we're considering and I think we ought to go ahead and follow through with that on the um the meeting we have next Tuesday at the very least and then if we're heading towards a decision we we've got to start narrowing down what

093are the key factors and finances is one of them but school location geography is another one >> and that's what we're currently doing I know that when I looked at the plans I'm was lary of choosing a plan and it's not as fiscally responsible cuz I want a new high school in the future to me. I mean, if it was like a better plan, I'd be completely okay with it. And my issue is, as Ashley mentioned earlier, I mean, it's not going to be like, it isn't going to be a perfect plan. Well, well, okay, but we need a plan that's going to make sense. >> So, tell me the plan that makes sense. >> I don't know the plan that makes sense because I've looked at all of the all the plans. >> My

094my issue is, and again, this if you want to think I'm being argumentative, that's fine. our own the whole reason we are doing this so quickly is because of the financial implications if we don't all that's that's that's a sense of urgency that's the cliff what by our own numbers seven does not get us there and two does so if I think you just looked out and make your recommendation but I would like also plan E to be looked at as well. But I do want to add, can you please talk about the staff survey as well? Is that definitive feedback? It's very mixed. The the survey question number three asked about the time frame. It's almost split neck and neck. um almost 5050 that half of our staff believe that we should move forward

095for next year. I think we've been living in that state of unknown and uncertainty for quite a long time about the other half want us to delay this a year. I I was surprised because I thought the majority of our staff would not want to move forward, but I think there's a better understanding of our current financial reality. >> How many took the survey again is it pulled up? It's in between 300 400. I'm guess 350. I sent that to you guys on Friday, I believe. >> Yes. And I looked at all the comments and I saw the rate off the bat. Did we ask them? It's fine. I just want to make sure I didn't miss it. Did we ask their preference on which plans or did you kind of get a sense of

096where they were going? >> We wanted all the pros and cons of both options. And so if you look at it, it's very split. Um it just is. And most people are advocating for their abilities or having no change. Um, although some say to press forward that we need change to to get a new high school. I think it's very very mixed >> if you look through all of those comments. >> Thank you. >> Did the board answer your question on a direction? >> Um, I got plan E. if somebody will send that to me. I don't have that in my inbox, but we will look at plan E and try to determine if we think that is something that's feasible. Happy to do that. It won't be in that format. So, I have that

097um a project list. We will try and figure out the K8 walkers if they're in a mile radius and how many of those kids would be impacted. Still stuck on. We can look at boundaries at Stone Crest. I feel like I have at least some. I also think it's important that Mr. Moore is not here and as our seventh board member I feel like he needs to be looped in on this conversation and dialogue just to know where he stands on everything. So just want to point that out as well. We can look at at these things. Our items for the next for the board meeting are due on Monday. So, this gives us just a few days, the rest of this week to try and get things accomplished by 10:00 a.m. on on Monday.

098>> And you're looking at Edison as well, correct? >> Yes. So, and you were talking option two going to the north, correct? >> Uh, yes. >> Okay. Got it. Now, I'm good. So, does that are you saying that then we do maybe need to push this decision a month? >> I wouldn't recommend it just because we our staff need an answer. >> Okay, they do. Our families deserve an answer and if that answer is to delay it, then make that decision. But I I think it's only fair that we communicate with our people and let them know the direction. And we have told them they would know on the 27th. So, I feel like we need to stay true to that word, even if it is we're delaying it. But know too that we have

099to make changes with staffing, with facilities, and so some of those pieces to get the ball rolling, we need to know. We need to know in October. >> Okay. Any additional questions on number two? And every time I ask that there's additional questions, but are we okay for right now on number two? >> All right, moving on. I'm going to use the edge of the stage here as my platform. So, I have two agenda items tonight just for information and for you to have before the board member or before the board meeting on the 27th. The first item is a local compliance plan certification statement for special education. Every couple of years, the state redes and we have two options. We can either adopt the model plan or we can create our own. It is

100always best practice to adopt the model plan from the state. It's what we've done for all these years. That is my recommendation. And so I've just attached that for you to work over so that we can discuss it again on the 27th. Um and at that meeting then I will ask for a vote and ask for you to sign and adopt the model plan. Are there any questions about that? >> Nope. I don't think so. I'll go on to the sec the second item on there and that is a contract for Row Health. Um it is a company that provides private duty nursing. So as many of you know I've talked um well for the past year and a half at least about our shortage for LPN Paris to support our medically fragile students. And

101we have had an opening for over a year and a half now. We get people that seem interested in it. We offer them the jobs and they then don't take it. And we have um some significant students that need support. We are currently covering those with our float nurses and we are going to need those float nurses to cover for some staff that are going to be out. Uh one of the students has a tra. So what we've done is I contacted Liberty Public Schools. They use this um company. We used to also use a private duty nursing company for medically fragile students as well. and they have been able to uh quickly give us a contract and then also find an LPN parah for us to support a student at Mark Twain for a

102portion of the day. And then after uh that they would then go to pick it and support those students in the Medicaid fraud room there. And so that contract is attached and I will just need you to look over it so we can discuss again at the end of the month and take a vote. Any questions about that? It's pretty straightforward. >> All right. Thank you, Zoom. >> Okay. Next, October budget. >> All right. Thank you. The plan we've all been waiting for since July, right? Um so in July when um I talked to the board a little bit about what our uh end of year ASBR might look like, you guys tasked me with creating a budget reduction plan for this fiscal year. Um, of course, this is based off the original numbers. That

103was the um June preliminary budget that was presented to the board. And so the the reductions that you see on this is u using that June preliminary budget as a starting point for the the monies that have been reduced. So um so with this plan, it just gives a quick little background. I know, you know, not to rehash this, we've talked about this a lot, you know, kind of where we sitting right now, 10.02%, 02% you know deficit of 10 million over the last two years um that we need to uh look to reduce our budget um to make sure that at least you know 4 million FY 27 and 3 million FY28 in addition to the 2.748 million that is part of this reduction plan to start getting on a path back to um

10420% which is board policy BIA and I know that we have got in the minutia um if you can go uh couple more pages Sorry. Yes, this slide right here. I know we've gotten the minutia of, you know, talking about HVAC and spending there and, you know, some of the federal dollars that were delayed that now we're going to get both those deposits here this fall. Um, and this is really the overall reason why, you know, St. Joe School District's in the position they are is because we have had declining enrollment. So, you can see on the right hand side, that is the the legend or the key for what our enrollment numbers were, uh, that we're now below 10,000. But yet if you look at our um operating expenses um you can see that

105operating expenses continue to rise. So falling enrollment with rising operational expenses will put you um in a position of of deficit spending which we've done the last two years and we have to reverse that trend. So in other words, we have to rightsize our staff and rightsize our square footage so we're efficient. So we're matching our enrollment. Um you know I I know it's not a fun situation to be in. Um, I know there's a lot of schools out there with decline enrollment um that are facing the same thing. Um, if you look at the national news, you'll see um Austin school district in Texas is dealing with this exact same issue and talking about these exact same things. Um, and so it's a tough place to be. Um, but this is the overall yes

106some of those other things with HVAC and federal programs, you know, get us here um maybe just a little bit quicker. Um, that is true. But overall, this is the reason why um we are at the reserve ratio that we're at is continue to add FTE with decline in enrollment. So we got to reverse that trend right size our district for square footage and staffing. Um on the next page, uh how we got here. This talks a little bit about some of the things impacting us. Um so it's not only you know your client enrollment but also our revenue. So you have Senate Bill 190 which is a senior citizen property tax cap. I'm not here to make an opinion on whether that's a good Senate bill or not. I'm just giving you the fact

107that that does reduce um our revenue that we have for our districts. Um budget and spending management and inaccurate budget assumptions. We've talked about that. Um our goal to make sure that when we present data in the future that we're using better logarithms to create those projections to give uh better confidence. Again, every projection is a projection. Um you know, the weather man's not always right. Um but we want to have better accuracy than the weather man. Uh but you know you look things change over time and so again as you look at these numbers if if the state changes the funding formula we're going to need to rewrite all those logarithms to see what we're going to be. But um our fund for spending for capital expenditures and then of course our declining enrollment

108and our low attendance percentage um because now that's improving. So that's helping us as you see our attendance continue to go up in those reports um compared to years past. that's that's going to help us financially as well. So that's some great data to see. Then of course end of all the ESSER funding that we had um for the district and of course we've talked a lot about that delayed federal funding. So here's our budget timeline if we can go to the next slide and here's how we got to this spot where we're at. So stakeholder input back in July we went to our our admin team went to our department heads and said hey you know our hiring plan is already in place. We already have our contracts in place for our teachers. We

109really can't look at staffing this year. Um, we need to look at our purchase services and supplies. So, where can we cut those things? What can we look at? How can we stay away from the core of the classroom? So, uh, that next spot you can see that's where we're at right now, this October budget revision. Um and then um if this is approved tonight um we're going to continue to monitor closely FY26 and see how it's trending and then also look to give you a February and a June revision to give you updates as we go along. So the further we go on the year, the more data we have to show what we're trending and to give you that information. Um we have our finance committee um revamped for this year. We've already

110had one meeting. We have another meeting tomorrow and we continue to get input for them not only on this but on FY27 which will be next year's budget. Um in the spring we'll go like we normally do with our principles, our department heads and talk through what FY27 looks like and then have a preliminary budget for you in June. So just kind of wanted to give you a quick peak of what that timeline look like. Um so next slide please. Uh key consideration in this budget um we want the least impact on students. We want to preserve student engagement learning focused on narrowing the budget projections for greater accuracy. Look for efficiency starting with district office. Evaluate all third party contracts. Improve transparency and communication and then look at technology to defer basis. Uh what's

111not included in this budget? So next slide on that will be to increase any type of fees. We did not say, "Hey, we're going to get out of this by, you know, charging more at the gate for athletic events or charging more for parking passes or things like that, increasing lunch prices." None of that was part of this plan. Reduction in force. Um, we did not, there was no consideration to cut any staff. Um, building consolidation, that's not part of this plan. I know we talked about that for future, but no building consolidation is part of this plan. Student safety initiatives, uh, those were held sacred. And then instruction and curriculum core materials were sacred as well. Uh so the last page this is the meat and potatoes. So on the left hand side you

112can see the areas we cut um in district office. Um it starts with technology supplies at 1.5 million uh technology purchase services and then on down uh board of education purchase services, human resources. So you can see all the different departments on the lefth hand side that are part of district office and whether it was supplies or purchase services um that was cut. And so that total for district office was just over 3.3 million or 87.8% of total of the budget reduction that we had for October. Um on the right hand side you see what was cut from the secondary level and elementary level. Um there was a little bit of staffing of what you see in there. Um if there was staffing, it was through um reorganization, meaning, you know, someone might have moved

113schools where we had an opening or had a math opening at a high school, science opening and was able to kind of repurpose some folks that were already in another building. And so it it like I said, it had nothing to do with any type of reduction in force, but just reallocation and not having to rehire uh that position. And so you can see at the high school level, we're just under $400,000 in savings or 10.5% of the budget reduction. and then um 64,000 for elementary. Um so you're you're probably asking, "Well, Robert, if that comes up to 3.7, why is it um only saving 2.7? What is a million dollars in budget overage mean?" Just to be upfront, transparent, um we had some curriculum pieces that we bought. The business office thought it was

114going to be paid for over 5 years. there was miscommunication between the company and um our business office on what that payment looked like because that those materials were a lot of print materials. Um they they incurred a lot of those costs up front. So it really could not accommodate a payment plan over 3 or 5 years and so we did take that that hit upfront um for that but that also means that we won't have that uh cost going forward because it is paid up for all all up front. So u there's a good pros and cons to that. So all in all, the budget reduction will be two a little over 2.7 billion for October. Um and then if you go back to the main ledger sheet to shows what that means for

115us, um you'll see that that puts us in the black uh predicted for this year in funds one and two by 83,000. So 83,000 and $150 million budget is um a small amount either way. And so basically, we're looking at a flat budget this year, but things project out um the way we see them right now. And so this $2.7 million reduction will help us get to that that balanced budget for this year. Um I do want to note u to be fair that we do have multiple years of federal deposits in this year and so revenue for this year is higher than typical year. So, we will need to look for next year to continue to make adjustments because we won't have three years of federal payments uh next year like we had this

116year because we were able to get those uh wrapped up from the federal side and get those payments in. So, I know it's getting late. Um happy to take any questions. >> I just have a little question. What's the amount of the extra payments in this year again >> for federal? So the 2023 24 year and year for both of those title funds. >> Is that about 4 and a.5 million for each one? >> Close to five close to five. >> In between 9 to10 billion of extra revenue this year then. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> From previous years of title funding. So, can we go back briefly to the budget overage? >> Yes. >> So, we made an internal mistake and it created a million dollar budget over. >> So, the basically the thought

117was that we'd be able to spread that out over a 5year period. Um many times with larger purchases, whether you're talking about um facilities or curriculum, they will they will phase that into like five individual yearly payments. And so in this situation, that was the assumption um going into this year for that particular curriculum piece. And it turned out that that was not the case. And so I I wasn't here for those conversations um you know, with that provider. Um, but that's my understanding and I'm I'm getting that secondhand. Um, so like I said, it was paid up before. So, yes, we took a hit on it this year. Um, but we won't have any payments for it in future years. >> But I did approach the company um and emailed them and then Stacia

118also talked to the company as well to see if we could get some worked out. It is um our new core ELA resource. Um and it is a six-year um purchase. Um and there was some breakdown in communication um about um whether that was going to be divied out between the years or if it was going to pay be paid up front. So, I'm going to I just I'm very frustrated by this information. Um, I think that we had a mistake made over the summer, a couple of mistakes that led us to our current dire fiscal situation. And now we're learning of another mistake to the tune of a million dollars. And that is very very concerning to me as it likely should be. And and I I I'm not I'm not trying to point

119blame to anyone, but I think when the community sees us have a conversation and this information happens and then we quietly just turn the page and move to the next item, they have every right to be raging pissed off. And that is why I get very frustrated when we're talking about the financial debacles that happen and then we're talking in the same meeting on the same evening about a shiny new school. It is I am am so frustrated and I think that our community is frustrated and they have every damn right to be to be frustrated and if I was them I would be calling for all of our resignations. That's that's what I would do. Um, but if you guys are okay with it, then we can move on. >> Station, was it the

120resource that we were told we had the bond funds to cover that? Is that the resource that we are referring to? >> No, it's the benchmarking documents. >> Here's the shiny light of this. We have the extra title money. This that is in currently in our budget that we haven't had for the last two years. And so this year we're going to have that money. And I'm not saying what happened is okay. Please don't hear me say that. But what I'm saying is if we're going to have an issue like this, this is the time to have it because now we have the title money in our budget. >> Well, some of this >> question statement all the same. >> One of the reason we got the price we did is because we did pay

121it for upfront. And when I went to negotiate, they said, "Well, you got a discount on your pricing if you get paid up front." So, um, there was there was no, um, funds lost. Basically, that resource was paid for upfront at a discount where when Microsoft Office budgeted during June of FY26, they had it spread out equally payments over six years. So, really, it was just how it was to be paid and what funding structure it was. And No more, no less. >> Are we able to get some I guess my problem is it's it's a mistake we never knew about and then like and I understand it's like miscommunication, okay, but is there a way to make sure that this is not occurring like like it's a million dollars? This is also a decision

122that was made prior to the reality of our finances. So had we known we were at 10% probably wouldn't have spent this. >> Yeah. During this time, you had a narrative that you were going to be no less than 20%, >> you know, next school year. And that was the narrative, >> right? And and I understand I understand all of that. Um I understand all of that. But we already admitted that we made assumptions about how this was going to be paid in their own miscommunications. And I don't know that there's going to be a lot of public trust um instilled in the statement of well because we messed up last year and that's coming in now, it'll take care of the mistakes that we make this year. This is a 160 plus million dollar

123organization and we should be doing better than that with public dollars and that's I'll I'll leave it at that. >> I'm just not getting this information. >> I think the thing is here what maybe we're trying to get to is that I know this is before you that these mistakes were made before you but is there a common denominator that's causing these mistakes and are we taking care of this internal process? >> Right. That's a tough question for me to answer because I am not here to throw in the bus. I'm looking for the future and how we can be better. And one of the things I have on this list is transparency. And that's why I put it right on there is a budget overage and told you exactly what it was and exactly

124what happened because I want people to have the trust that when we make a mistake and we're human, we own up to it and say it >> instead of the other way. And so I'm here telling you a mistake was made. People are human. Um I if I you know there's been a lot of mistakes made in the past. This one is the least of concerning of mine because we got a discount to pay for this up front. Um you know there's other things that have happened of saying we'll be at 20% and it'll be a 10. I mean that that is the larger um miscalculation uh that I see. And so you know I know this is just the the cherry on top. I get that. But please see this as someone trying to

125be transparent and >> and I do and I thank you. And I'm not telling you to throw anybody under the bus. That's not where I'm getting at. I just want to make sure this is an internal process that needs to be fixed, but we're fixing it, >> right? You know, I knew I had this job in April. So, I'll say I should have been um doing more in my free time to try to see what's going on here before I started July 1. So, I'll put it on me. >> I just have another question about this. Have we known about this long? >> We've been So, this was came to light somewhere around August when school was starting. And so, we were negotiating with the um vendor to see if we could set something up

126to span that over five six years like we thought it was and was having some negotiations. And so, um this this could have been a non-issue, but we wanted to see how those things went with the company first. And when we got nowhere that now that's when we put it in the budget amendment and put it for you to review. >> Was there like a problem in the contract or something about the misunder about >> No, the um contract was presented to the board and approved by the board um in I think it was April. um we had talked about the um purchase of the ELA and the um the savings of um by going through a six-year um so um yeah that was um that was approved um then at that particular point and

127as far as um you know um we we had multiple meetings about um you know is is the ELA core resource course um something we wanted to move forward with and yes um everybody was in agreement with that >> at the time of the contract approval though did we know that we were going to pay all of it now or was it understood that we were going to pay over six years >> um I think it was presented from a six-year purchase >> you know I'm going to make mistakes I'm I'm not perfect I'm going to make mistakes uh I'm going to be I'm going to tell you as soon as I know it and I'll let you know and we're going to try to correct Um, and so I I don't want to, you

128know, my time will come. I'll make them stick to um, but I I will always do my best to have people double check my work. Um, you know, collaborate with those folks so I'm not on an island and and make sure that we're doing everything we can to improve our process and procedures and and just be transparent about it. >> And we thank you for that. >> I appreciate that. And this is was going to be paid no matter what. Correct. >> It was. I mean, so that isn't what bugs me whatsoever. But I can see, like I said, is that this is the internal process that we just fix what's going on so we don't have these issues going forward. That's awesome. >> And I get your frustration of hearing one thing and then

129then seeing another. So even though we're still being the resource we paid for, I totally get it. It's it's frustrating to see, okay, here we go again, you know, something different than what I was told. So I get that frustration. I hear you. Hey, just questions about the budget amendment. Well, I have a little thing. I just wish that I'm sorry, I forget about this thing. I just wish that if there is an issue it's just kind of uncomfortable to learn about this on camera and we knew nothing about this, you know, and so like if there is an issue, if we're told in like a timely manner, it's my only request. I mean, even if it's like a day earlier, you know, I mean, at least at least it's no surprises during the meeting.

130>> Sure. I agree. Um, one thing I did want to know on that budget document is that's the budget reduction plan. Um, you know, I I kind of didn't want to just throw numbers on paper. I wanted to give you the process and what the thought was behind it. Um, the other document in the agenda is the actual budget document that you guys are used to seeing for amendments. um that shows previous years, shows this fiscal year, and then on the back it shows your revenues and expenditures broken out by fund. Um and then what those final year transfers may look like with a ending reserve ratio. So just want to make sure you guys saw that in the agenda as well. >> Okay, moving on. Mr. Carell Um I'm going to I'm going to

131defer to Dr. Hitchco as well on this one, but we are presenting a updated um job description for the coordinator of federal programming. Part of the federal programming program evaluation report um was to recommend the improvement um for a succession plan. Um we are asking for this position to um move from the support staff salary schedule to a coordinator salary schedule. Um and this is funded 100% by title dollars. So it would not cost the district any money. One importance of this piece of getting this person hired now is the succession planning that Mr. Pel was talking about. Um so that would allow these folks to transition enroll um you know knowledge transfer getting used to seeing the process. We're going to have a tiered monitoring review in the spring um as well. So they'd

132be able to participate in that process and so when July would would come around they would hit the ground running. Um, the reason I think this position would be so valuable is I talked a lot about, you know, having those funds delayed and what what that was and that was a $400,000 cost to the district. And so, you know, we've had this position posted for some time and um the we we've had a very very very tiny number of applicants for this position. Um and just you know looking at how this is structured in some other districts. Uh we feel like having a coordinator that has um you know experience in education and federal programs and things like that would help be strategic about maximizing the dollars that we can get for title um instead

133of just the status quo of what we can get from title because we've had carryover every year and if you're being as efficient as you can in title you should you should have that be a very small number in your carryover and so um I feel like this coordinate position will help us um maximize those dollars and the results that we get from the the staffing members that are in the schools under the title program. >> Is this a new position or a replacement? >> It's a replacement. Um now there is a little bit of overlap. So when we hire this person, these people will be overlapped for a little bit for that knowledge transfer. Um but is it is not a new position. Um it is replacing that existing position. >> Yeah. And that

134was part of that succession plan. um the current employee will be retiring in July. >> I had asked prior to the meeting um what the the change in um the cost would be and I believe it was 20,000. Is that correct? >> Approximately depending on how many years of experience a new person has but looking at the schedule it's about a $20,000 difference. So, as I've shared with you before, so that you wouldn't have a surprise. Um, I worry I understand how how this position will be funded. I understand that we'll receive more revenue so it it won't affect necessarily the budget issues and the fund balance that we're talking about, but I greatly worry about um adding more money to an administrative position when we are um talking about cutting positions, nutrition and um

135things at the building level. So that is that is my concern. But I understand how it's funded. I understand the need. I just think that the way that it will look to the public is not good. >> And I don't disagree with you. It's bad timing. >> I mean, you mentioned about an overlap. Is that an overlap of like a month, a couple of months? >> All depends when we would hire the the position. We'd have to interview. we'd have to um go through that entire process. We would >> we would think maybe first of year. >> Well, I guess what I'm asking is about the amount of extra funds this is going to cost with two people for one position. Is there a projected expense? >> Yeah, it all depends on um what that

136admin pool for this budget year approves. So, I will need to I would I do not want to give you an incorrect answer right now. So, let me find the information for you and see if this position is allowable for this year. I know it is for 100% for next year. It's already good. Then that way I can give you a more accurate um information at the next meeting if that's okay. >> Yes, I appreciate that. >> All right. Thank you. >> So, Mr. Carell, this is just to attract uh people who are going to apply. Is that the the jump in salary or the jump in position? >> I would agree with that. >> It it will look rough to our constituents, to the community for sure. >> It feels rough. >> We just

137worry that in the long run we do not want sometimes no words is is better. We feel like this is the best position for our district to maximize our federal programs to have this person in this deposition. Okay. Are there any additional questions about item number six? And it's going to be an agenda item at the next meeting, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Perfect. Okay, let's move on. That's also you, Mr. Pro. >> Yep. All right. Uh, policy GCCP CCC, um, early notification of of retirement. So, the policy, um, actually states that the district may offer an early notification of retirement, an incentive of $1,000. So, that's why every October gets brought back up. Um, the board gets to decide whether or not to offer the stipen to staff. Um, this is for certified positions

138only. Um, if you guys do approve to have this again this year, our certified staff have until the last student contact day in November to notify us and the retirement system that they are going to retire after this school year. Um, in the past we have offered a $1,000 stipen. Um, I will say that we will recommend this incentive um for October 27th. Since we're looking to use attrition for our model to consolidate staff, this will help us prepare a little bit more for next school year as well. If you guys do choose to make a decision. >> Thank you, Mr. Carol. Are there any questions about this? >> Well, I just have a question. Um do we know an average of what the cost of this is from one year to the next? >>

139Yeah. So the last three years um my my team put some numbers together. So the last three years the average has been 19 staff members who have retired um and taking this incentive. Um we anticipate possibly um with some of the changes that we may lose some staff to some early retirement or some things like that. So we are anticipating between 19 and $25,000. I think the most it was a few years ago was $37,000. >> Okay. Are there any additional questions? Thank you, Mr. >> Thank you. >> Okay, Miss Mer. >> All right, I'm going to give a special shout out to Hos Jose Hosia. They have been working hard with their um literacy grant, the CLSD grant and um in uh Dr. Adam's work. Um she shared that um Hosia was awarded that

140grant and in the um in the planning stages with DESIE and the RPDC um Hosia has selected to um support um inclassroom coaching for teachers in support of that new um ELA resource. And so what the um consultants would do would go in and help teachers um utilize that new resource in the classroom. Um they would model first um what that lesson or the the the resource how is that best fit in our literacy structure. Um and then uh they'll come back and provide some feedback for our teachers and our teachers will um then carry out um what they observed um and gain some feedback there. Um so um Justin McCarthy I promised him and um his team that I would present um the work they're doing down at Hosia. Um understand this is all

141paid for through that literacy grant. Um and it was um shared with the RPDC and DESIE and this was the direction and everybody felt um really solid with this work. Um it is in the classroom and that's where um the work um definitely takes place. Thank you, Miss Duter. Are there any questions? >> All right. If there are none, Mr. Case. >> Good evening. Can you hear me? Right now. test. >> There you go. >> There we go. All right. First item is a change order for Oak Grove playground service. Um, this service is uh is to be done instead of the rubber tile that was originally there. Um, the reason for that being is that tile is not available until mid winter. Um, which puts the timeline into spring and would do not allow

142it delays basically the playground another spring that they would not have access to it. Um the alternative is to put in a turf. Uh it's a different it's not like our our field turf is totally different u but put in a turf uh playground surface which actually is higher impact rating. It's higher it's better overall. The overall cost additional would be $9,427. Um that's So this will get us done right towards the end of this month. >> That pretty much completes you. You can move on to the next item, Mr. Nancy. >> Okay. Change order number two is for various items. It's uh some curbing caps, some extra dampers um due to some exterior or some interior wall penetrations that we had to make. Um, some of this is due to the units being backordered,

143um, as far as the curb caps and everything. Um, and then the other part of it is labor for some wall penetrations to access um, the principal's office and a couple other office areas that utilize that weren't originally in scope. Um that amount would if increased would be 21 about $20,976.90. >> Um I just have a couple questions. At what school is this? >> Sorry, this is three options are at Mark Twain and one option is at Edison. And if this amount's not known, if you're able to get it >> to us later. I know that there's been lots of change orders lately. Are you able to give us an amount or is it updated on the web page about >> Right now we're right around 140,000 left >> of change orders >> in the

144$20 million. budget. >> Casey, would you repeat that? >> Yeah. Currently, out of the 20 million bud budget, all the projects across the board from instruments to everything, we're about 140,000 under 100 >> 140,000. >> Under Yes. >> That's the operating word. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And we'll have that document updated before you would actually take action on that item. That way we have the whole month's worth of um expenses and invoices and change orders all updated at once. >> Perfect. >> Okay. Are there any additional questions on this item? >> I appreciate your time, Mr. Casey. I appreciate everybody's time. It has been a long night. Um, our next board meeting, well actually our next event is next Tuesday on the 21st at Lafayette. Half after 5 is the town hall and then

145after that two weeks it's our regular meeting of the board. Um, and it will be, excuse me, in the main gym at Central High School. Correct? >> Yes, ma'am. >> Okay, perfect. And is there a motion to journ? >> Thank you. Is there a second? I got a second. Call the vote, please. >> Miss Miller, Miss Williams, >> yes. Okay, this meeting is a journey.