9.10.25 - Hanover School Board

001We also have to talk with client about connectivity issues. Are we all good? [Music] >> You're doing great. That can be. >> Is there something else you want to put? We're all here tonight. It's >> I was the one who called in for NHSBA last year and I like just signed off for the agent because it starts to be like this resolution. All in favor? I I I I this resolution just takes forever. >> Yeah. me one more time. >> Sorry. I just want to refresh before. >> All right. Super. Thank you. Can you have a good [Music] >> All right, we good. [Music] Yeah, [Music] >> you can be dominant [Music] words. Sorry board. >> All right. Are we good to go? >> Yep. Okay. So, we'll call us to order at 707. Thank

002you everybody. >> All right. Um so we'll open with agenda review. >> Perfect. Yeah. And welcome Colleen, our principal who is online this evening. Um any board members need to add or review items on the agenda? No. Is there anything um are we hunting the DOE fund report? Is that right? >> Yes. >> Removing that one. Okay. So, we're gonna move the DOE annual financial report to the October meeting. So, we'll skip E in the business requiring discussion. But I think that is it for changes. Um, all right. Any members of the public who wish to address the board? See anybody in person? Okay. I don't think we have anybody online. Moving on. principal report. So, Colleen has submitted her report. Um, and I will just say a word of thanks to Ryan. Hopefully, everybody

003noticed she added some details for us, some ration for us. Um, as I mentioned in a previous meeting, we're trying to help guide our preparations and make sure we're ready to take the appropriate actions, have the appropriate discussions in our meetings. And so, a thank you to Ryan for working towards that on our behalf. Um, so Colleen, if we could give Colleen a chance to speak. She's on Zoom. You guys can pull her over. happening. >> Has she been invited to join the panel? >> Oh, >> no. No worries. >> Welcome, Colleen. If you want to mute yourself, you should be good to go. >> Thank you so much. Yeah. >> Thank you, J. >> There we go. Hi everybody. >> Hello. Hello. >> Thanks so much for letting me do this from home. I

004appreciate it. >> No problem. >> Um so I don't have much to add to the agenda that the principles report that I that I already shared with you all. Um, I know that, um, we are getting ready to hit the ground running with our fall benchmark testing starting next week and we just figured out today that we're all set to go with technology. We've got all the everything ready to go. We just have to get the kids going with the I Ready testing. So, we'll excited to see that and see how that works. Um, hopefully we'll get some good results from that and some good data from that. Um, teachers are excited to use it in grades two to five. So, um, it's been a good couple of weeks. It's been very busy. I mean,

005everybody's really dived head first into everything that we're doing and um it's it's been good. It's been great. >> Great. Um and I see there's a note about the accessible playground update. Um >> yes, >> y more to add to that one. >> Yeah. So, Nan, we just got noticed that the uh the um the order was just placed this past Tuesday, I believe. There was a delay in placing the order. We got the PO to them about two weeks ago, but there was a delay on their end for placing it. We just got word that it was placed on t Tuesday with an ETA of 8 to 10 weeks, they said. >> Okay. So, >> close. >> Come on. Warmer weather, right? No frozen ground. >> By November should be okay. >> I think

006we'll be okay. >> Yeah. >> So, Colleen seems like a good time to be a second grader from what I can tell. >> In terms of class size, is that skirting a little too small? >> Tiny little class. Yeah, there I mean for for this year, yeah, we only have 60 in second grade this year. So, it's our smallest group for sure. >> You have a question? Um other than be a second grader, >> but um no, I don't have to have a further followup question. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Kind we're I know we're sort of looking at enrollments and as I mean we'll talk a little bit in the budget process. I know we've talked about we will be talking about like what is the right staffing level? What are we doing rolling forward

007next year? So I mean it's a big crystal ball at this point but um I will ask on that front do we expect do we have any reason to expect additional students at this point in the year >> always we always have students joining us um oftentimes in January after Christmas students will join us um depending on the Dartmouth schedule and families joining and coming across um so I think that our our uh enrollment fluctuates not dramatically throughout the course of the year, but definitely fluctuates up and down um all month, all year long. It's there's not a given time where it just stops. We've had kids join as late as May. >> All right. Okay. Other questions for Colleen? >> Yep. Can you just remind us what the And this might be actually the

008board question, but like what are the target class sizes for is it K2 and 35? Yeah, I'm trying I'm gonna guesstimate this off the top of my head. I want to say our target class size is 15 to 18 for K through 2 and 17 to 22 for 3 through five. That's what sticks in my head. I may be slightly off on those. >> That's great. >> Does anyone in the room want to chime in? I see some squadas. >> Sorry. That's fine. >> I was going to let you. So, >> the policy. >> Okay. Yeah, we do have a >> 20 and then like up to 24, but I need to check the policy minute. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> Um, yeah, I know we do and we do have a range and

009you know, it's always a challenge because often we have enough students. We're blessed to have enough students that we're often kind of making that decision. Are we going to go on the lower end of that range with a fifth section or a fourth section or are we going to go on the higher end of that range with you know one fewer section? So that's always a decision that our principal is having to make at different grade levels. So >> and it is not mandated. >> It is not mandated. >> Yeah. I think there is a mandate for higher >> I have the number if you want. >> Okay please. K to 2, 14 to 20, 3 to 5, 17 to 22. >> Oh, I have one, right? >> Yeah, I don't do any better. >>

010Yes. All right. Um, so we are I mean we are in the range um with the exception of maybe our fourth grade which is a little bit light >> um this year, but >> they're five sections. >> Yeah, they have five sections. And I will just say without you know asking our principal to give away any private student information. Sometimes there are very good reasons for that. Sometimes there is you know a particular class that is a little more hightouch for whatever reason or you know something going on in the grade level that that we as a board. That's why you know we set the staffing level for the school and we set that in our budget process and then we really rely on our building leaders to make those decisions about where best to

011place people within the building. So >> yep. And uh Colleen, I know this is probably done before your time, but in terms of the playground update, can you remind me what exactly is the update going towards? Is it updated equipment? Is it replacing old equipment or something else? >> Excuse me. It's not replacing old equipment. It is um new equipment and it's adaptive equipment so that it allows for any students with um mobility issues, a wheelchair to be able to get on to different um pieces of equipment out there to play um and have access to the the playground in a different way. >> So where where is it going to be on the current playgrounds? >> It is it's going to be near the um the what we call the the small playground, the

012little playground. Uh it'll be right near there. >> Okay. All right. And um just a reminder to everyone that this is coming um through grant funding. So it's Bridgemond funds and friends of handover funds that we are have finally fully secured and are ready to move forward. So um yeah. All right. Another question. Um and I and I do apologize because I I was not here in August and so I read the minutes but doesn't did not mean I admitted them to memory as well as I should have. Um, but the the fall benchmark thing made me wonder about the state test data. Do we have that information about how our students have done and so we talked about it last month and we said we were going to do a more longitudinal study and

013I suspect we just haven't quite the audit and the budget process. So, >> they just approved the all the test results. They just finalized them. So, I think probably October will be a good time, too. >> Okay. Awesome. We'll we'll flag like that. Um for followup if I forget and don't see it on the agenda, please let me know. >> Uh okay. Thank you. Any last questions for Colleen? All right. Thank you very much, Colleen. Um we will move on into business requiring discussion. So, internet upgrades and we've got Bryant Patton here to talk us through those. >> Um, so as you know, the um making sure legislature passed the bell law sort of saying instructional time >> student personal devices need to be not interrupting that instruction. They are waiting on the award to

014go through their as you as you all know they asked or they did they recommended not to acquire but for the board to come up with policy and they you know we believe you should have it this way but it's so we're waiting for the board to come up with policy. Um I think we got the first draft and now we're going to have the first reading and I mean what's do you know what the status is on the board policy committee? I'm drawing a total me I'm drawing a total blank at the moment. >> Yeah. >> Student council um at the high school I participated in a meeting with the student council. The >> the legislature is asking for the boards to take all stakeholders, parents, uh faculty. Uh they didn't actually make any

015students which was a little bit of a a dating but so we talked about that today. So that um got brought into the executive order in August. So we are it's we're trying to implement it now and one of the things that we decided was if all student devices are supposed to be off, we shouldn't be providing self-registering Wi-Fi because students won't get back on it immediately if they're self-registering. We also, as you know, one of my big initiatives has been to try and create a technology framework for the SAU and for all schools that is sustainable and stuff that we can support. One of the ways we want to do this is we haven't been very good about shutting off people that have left the Wi-Fi because they haven't been tracked coming on. You

016know, there's sort of we have people that are like, "Oh, we'll just give them access." And people will just be like, "Oh, I'm in a hurry. I'm here." and then that person leaves and doesn't come off. So we don't know. So we sort of said let's have a clean break. This is the opportunity to do that. So we have turned off guest self-registration. We have not shut down the guest Wi-Fi. Um that's you know still available. And if people are coming in to talk or are coming in for a day or day substitute, um each of the teams, tech teams have each of the schools has been trained to give out guest Wi-Fi for the day, for the week, what it is. Um it's caused some consternation because we no longer have self-registered guest Wi-Fi

017after 3:00 for extracurriculars. I haven't gotten much feedback from the parents of Ry or from RMS or from the parents at uh MCS. We've had a little bit of a hiccup in that the after school program at MCS didn't get we're getting them online today tomorrow. Um the parents at Henburg High some parents it's interesting because they sort of they were very in favor of bell to bell. Everyone that talked to me it's like love the bell the bell but after three that's you know I got to get to a kid. So um we are sort of figuring out ways to uh address that. One of the things we did was that uh we sort of said well what we will do is create a password. I mean one of the things that's up for

018debate is technically according to our stuff we shouldn't support personal devices on our network. It's just not one doesn't do that, right? I mean, that's not what you're supposed to do. But we recognize reality of it. As all of you know, >> I've gotten all of your personal devices onto that and all the faculty's personal devices onto that. Now, that's up for discussion, but we sort of said that's too much of a leap to do in one step. So, we got everyone up on the discussion. We sort of thought um that there'll probably be some leakage, you know, that we're kind of okay. So at the at the high school there's roughly 150 faculty and and staff. So we're like okay so we'll we'll check it from time to time and see because not everyone

019has got their device on and stuff like that. There are what was it 600 students students anyway. So we were thinking the pessimists were like it's going to there's going to be leakage within weeks and optimists were like maybe we'll make it till Christmas and stuff like that. By 1:00 on the opening day, there were 850 people on our Wi-Fi on that particular Wi-Fi. Um, meaning and it became obvious that all the students had it. That was extremely frustrating to me. And one of the questions I will actually have for you guys is do we get to talk? Is there anything we can do to talk to parents and students and say, "Guys, it's a state law. You shouldn't be looking to me to prevent this. Technically, you shouldn't be looking to the teachers to

020prevent this through policing and stuff. It's a state law." >> Yeah. So, I think um >> just to interrupt you for half a second, I think um there's definitely been a lot of questions at the high school level. I don't know at the handover because this is primarily the race school. I doubt it's been as much of an issue here. I think you're going to get some parents who are coming in for the day or whatever, but we have cell phone coverage here. So, I don't Yeah. So, I don't think it's going to be an issue here. Um, as I think Ben mentioned to you, um, in our mini Dresden meeting that we did right before this, there were there was a parent and a child who came and expressed some concerns. Um, and I

021think at the Dresden meeting on the 23rd, it would behoove us to be ready to have a a full-blown conversation about, you know, what are our policies going to be? What are our expectations? You know, what what is some of the education that we can do? I mean, to be fair to these students, it's kind of sperm on them as well. Um, so I think, you know, by by also teenagers by their very nature are going to, you know, if they see an opening, they're going to take it, right? I mean that's you know so I think it's definitely um something to be ready to talk about at the meeting on the 23rd >> and one of the more one more nuance thing is we have this password that we give out for personal devices

022for the faculty we had assumed up until 2:00 on that Thursday the next day that that was somehow breached because I mean that's no great secret I can discuss this in public you can see the Wi-Fi that's on your phone the reasons we sort of don't appreci kind of like eh, >> you know, so that's fine. Separate from that is the is the password that gives access to the Wi-Fi and um that's on all of the machines that we own, the student machines and the faculty machines. That's a 25 26 27 character non-human readable easily password that's um deployed and to undeploy it is massively disruptive because we have to take back every machine from every faculty and student for that. We found out at 2 o'clock on Thursday that that had been breached and

023shared >> which is a very very big deal because we it completely undid the plan we had for what we were going to do going forward to fix this up. >> We're still working on that and I will come to you with more information um at Dresden about that. I have some more that I can share now. >> I wanted to sort of pause and then you bless. >> Yeah. And I would just agree with all the points Kelly made, but also the one that I think we haven't directly mentioned yet on at least on cameras, which is that the high school is also in a dead zone in terms of the Wi-Fi in general, which has to 3:00 thing become a safety issue at night when it comes to students being dropped off at

02411 a.m. 11:00 p.m. sports events. And if parents not able to communicate with them in terms of delays or something's going on, the student has no way of knowing. The parent is nowhere going. They have no way to connect each other because there's no publicly available Wi-Fi in that particular area. >> Push back gently about that. Tests we've done this week show that each of the Wi-Fi sign each of the cellular signals in the parking lot is sufficient to send SMS on a regular basis. >> I live in town just I don't have any absolutely corridor that's just gotten bigger and bigger and I'm there every day and I'm on Wi-Fi constantly. I was at I was at the high school today which is why I had to put the password on my phone. I

025could not make a phone call because I could not and I had to make a phone call related to the meeting I was in at the SAU. >> What would you have done if the Wi-Fi had is down? >> The Wi-Fi was down. I was going to ask you about that. >> We sent out we sent out an email to everyone that BEL was fixing the Wi-Fi today. So, the Wi-Fi was down. >> Yeah. So, I was in two meetings today and it impacted our meetings. I mean, we cannot get the work done that we needed to get done. We had someone joining a meeting remotely who we couldn't connect to him and he's sending email because he has Wi-Fi site saying hey is everybody there well we couldn't join the meeting to connect with

026him so those that's what happens when you know >> so I made sure that my phone was not within our control it's my >> not within our control but bail goes down >> oh that I understand completely but we're trying then become problematic for just the ability ility to conduct regular I'm going to say business but it's not business it's education because the way that the curriculum and the work is designed these days is very much device dependent so we do have to sort of have a plan if there's going to be lots of times and I don't have this transparency and you might not either as to if the network will be reliable or not if it is not going to be then we have to do some work to figure out how to

027manage this so The show doesn't stop. >> Correct. So, so that would be >> Sorry, I'm going to start for half a second because we do have to move on pretty quickly, but no, >> this >> I know you're trying to share information. I didn't mean to cut you off completely. I was going to ask you if you have any sort of last things that you need from the handover board this evening for us to kind of on. >> Any other question? >> Okay, any questions? So Brian, what what would the what is the plan for when there are massive amounts of public on site for certain events like things like when all the students get together for the band concerts, big football games, graduation, voting day, things like that. >> I asked Jay last

028year, >> are we responsible for providing services to non-educational hours? And he said no. >> So we've been planning toward that. Now that when we enter into that plan, people are like, "What do you mean there's not?" I mean, it's just kind of like >> um they do have their Chromebooks which are connected to Wi-Fi 24/7. SMS for the three services that we use, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile worked in the parking lot over several times. We have phones in all of the buildings, in all the rooms, in all of the buildings. I'm kind of like, well, you know, there's a kind of we can we can do it, but you guys are sending mixed signals in that we must stay within this boundary of money. >> I mean, the quotes I got for doing it

029correctly have gone between 12,000 and 120,000. That's what we've been doing over the last week. I just think your comment about like grade school like so much of this is wrapped up in what people have said that it's just because of the dead zone, right? Like these conversations wouldn't be happening if it was a place in which cell service was easily happening. And so I >> I think to honor the piece about like what is school and what is town is tricky because it also happens to be where the oldest school is where kids have their own devices versus an elementary school where >> it's less likely. So I mean I think there's always going to be that argument of like kids used to get dropped off before cell phones like right >> sporting teams

030had sporting events. This actually doesn't have to do with the school. This has to do with the fact >> culture shift is that you would always have Wi-Fi available right >> from your cells service and and you don't in town. You wouldn't necessarily depend on the school to have open access to Wi-Fi at 11 p.m. You wouldn't like I mean >> public library across the street does turns off their Wi-Fi sometimes like it's um >> and so I think that that's a rub that I think is maybe the question we need to look at because I >> I'm not questioning the safe the safety that perception of safety because of the cultural moment that we're in. But >> if there was full Wi-Fi available through cellular services, I do think we would not be spending

031the amount of money. >> So when if everyone is okay, I'm going to suggest that we I think this was a good point of information, a good discussion. I Brian, we really appreciate you coming. I can feel the frustration because I know you're trying to make us safer. We we very much appreciate that. Um, and I think, um, hopefully this was kind of a helpful like what are people thinking about heading into the 23rd? Um, and I'm I know we're all happy to chat with you too if you have, you know, want to reach out to us individually or even, you know, ask the board members, survey board members or whatever. I think there's room for that as well. So, um, I know we're happy to continue the dialogue heading into that meeting on the

03223rd. Um, >> yeah, >> one one thing I'll plug, this was discussed at the address meeting before you arrived at from a member of the public, but it does seem that the high school council is also talking about this with some not righteous rage. Oh, you were there. Thank you for attending. beat up the ball. >> I was a little I was a little non plus when they're like, "Well, we have to use our phones because they write the assignment on the board and we have to have our phones to take a picture of >> and I'm mindful of what Kelly said. She's completely right. One of the things that's that's happened as well, which we're trying to work on on the policy side regarding the phone thing as well as the Instagram thing, is

033that there are lots of changes to extracurricular schedules that happen very last minute in some cases after school has ended and then the students have 10 minutes to find out about this change that they're actually practically becoming quite an issue and concurrently via this bell to bell change. So being able to give those sorts of updates via social media is no longer going to be allowed. I'm speaking early so that might change, but it's my understanding that will no longer be allowed. >> The loudspeaker doesn't really work in terms of general announcements. It's way too staticky and people are in the bathroom or outside the building wouldn't hear it anyway. According to HHS staff, the students do not check their email and which that is what it is. But sort of like what >> students

034also check the monitors that have brought that up. >> They don't read the at some point. I'm like >> so we need to be careful practice. I mean I don't I not the time for the conversation but I think >> we we need to figure out new issues. though dressing fair 23rd. I would budget a fair amount of time for this conversation because I think it's gonna happen. >> All right. Ryan, thank you again. Um we we appreciate all the efforts. Um >> budget guidelines. Oh no. Point AP approver just thought we did that last meeting. Did we not do that last meeting? >> No. Okay. >> I think it's my turn. >> Noting dead your enthusiasm. We'll point at this that this board has asked I think multiple times going back to that previous

035annoying chair that we had some sort of rotation basis be developed. Has there been any updates from the administration on that to make it a little more clear obvious? >> Okay. Carrie Renee >> and Carrie did you like your second go in a row? Right. >> Yeah. I'm just I've been doing it since I got on in March. >> Thank you for that service. >> You're amazing. >> So De, I will accept your self nomination. >> When is it over? >> December. >> I'll remember. >> They tell you. >> Anybody else have bandwidth this fall? >> I'll do it. Marcel, you're the best. I will takes the phone. >> I will go ahead and put myself on for the winter. I will have more bandwidth. >> I'll join you. >> Okay. >> All right. >>

036Great. >> All right. I will send a note to that effect. >> Apologize. >> Email Heather. All right. I'll email Heather. >> I think I can do it. >> All right. Oh, thank you, Ben. Okay. Um, thank you guys for stepping up this quarter. I really appreciate it. Uh, moving on now to the budget guidelines. I will graciously hand over the reigns to my fellow board budget committee member Renee, our chair. Yes. Um, so want to first uh thank Teresa for prepping the quick model and bringing forth the previous version of lots of documents that I am excited to see for the first time. uh and work with Kelly to adjust. So, we met last Friday. Um the handover budget committee met and we talked a lot about um what bigger spending items might need

037to be coming forth. Um one being this lovely accordion wall, which has a nice orange broken do not use sign and the estimates for that. Um, and we talked about um the playground, although that's this year and that was more of an exciting What else did you talk about? What other other big things? Um, and then well the town, not school ELA. Thank you. Um, so curriculum wise, they're also looking at a new ELA curriculum this year. Um, and deciding how much what that should be. We asked about kind of generally, do we think that's going to be in the realm of like what the math and the science curriculums were? Um, the answer was yes. So in terms of like bigger things that we know right now that might be part of the conversation

038um those were definitely in the mix. Um a couple other pieces that are important for us to consider um are capital improvements. So there is a capital improvement committee. Don't know what the formal name is. Just starting up. >> Got it. Got it. You nailed it. Um and uh we're expecting to have uh this is coming up now. We also met the Dresden budget committee met earlier today and that's going to be relevant for a few other items. But one of the things that came out of that related to the um capital improvement committee is that we were talking about seeing a proposal from that committee in I believe and Teresa correct me if I'm wrong here Ben I know you were there uh October 31st. Theresa you were too or November. Yeah. >> So

039in this budget cycle >> in this budget cycle um looking at both things that are more maintenance items and then also wanting to start think five 10 year like plan. So we know um there's a lot of things that are likely going to come out of that as well as from the TRX Collins stuff that's been going on. Um I think is all input into that committee. So there's a few different variables that we expect could be considerations beyond what you see in the quick model currently and what's here. So with that being said, um a few other assumptions that were in the quick model were the CPI um is 3.2 right now. The northeast region I think is what we typically use. Um and so as of July and as of this week, I

040think Teresa mentioned still 3.2. Um, and another major consideration that handover has is the, if you might recall back in our conversation about tiff stuff, um, the capital improvement planning committee, uh, and the select board and the town are working on major changes, updates to the downtown. So, there's the handover, there's the main street, and then there's West Wheelock. and they are now lumped together um in the capital improvement planning committee's planning horizon uh for FY27 both of which are not do not have a funding source um as of the current consideration which we are meeting next Friday September 19th so this is kind of coming from email and conversations with that group um and Tara correct me if I'm wrong here on any this stuff, but um >> still not on the email list.

041>> Thank you for that information. We'll make sure that's amended. Um the estimates currently for West Wheelock and uh out of here >> going down. >> Yeah. uh in South Maine are around $27 million and that is um from >> uh the assumptions based on a July 2022 um assessment uh plus another assessment that does not neither which actually I should say take into account inflationdriven or and tariff driven price increases. So estimates from John Dolan at the select board meeting most recently indicated that that could go anywhere between 50% to 100% higher. So that's important for us because that is currently in consideration for FY27. Nothing is guaranteed because that's obviously still TBD but um strong consideration there for a major impact for Hannover taxpayers that I think we should be thinking about. And

042Rene, any mention of a cell phone tower in any of those discussions? >> Well, is that I love that >> a note for our um sorry to interrupt you for a second, but for our capital improvement committee. I mean, I I don't know, but I imagine cell phone towers that that the um phone companies have a vested interest in getting those also in places. And so I I imagine that that cost would probably not even be borne by us. I think it would be borne by some >> but it's worth unmotivated >> perhaps having the conversation largely >> unmotivated by our very small. >> But we have all these new people moving in with all this new construction now, right? That was nice. >> Can I ask a quick clarifying question about what you said

043so far? I apologize. This is my perennial difficulty with fiscal years. Um, when you say fiscal year 27 to fiscal year 29 >> that is not the budget that we are currently preparing, right? We are doing 26 27. So >> this would be hitting >> oh subsequent years. >> Okay. >> All right. Perfect. Thank you. Cool. That's good. Important information to have. >> Yes. >> Okay. very important information. Um, thanks >> but good. No, that's important. So, okay, perfect. Thank you. >> School year, fiscal year. >> Yeah, brains of the school. Um, okay. So, I'm trying to think if there's anything else major that um there's well, uh I will I will just say I know that everybody got this a large 24 hours in advance, so please let me know if you have other

044questions, but ultimately what the uh handover budget committee was recommending last week was aiming for a budget increase of 3% given all of that that's going on. One additional note that I will add because it's relevant for our discussion that we need to have about this is from the Dresden budget committee today. Um we realized uh I don't remember how who necessarily brought it up. Um but the question about healthcare came up and the idea that the 10% increase that is assumed in the quick model Teresa correct me if I'm wrong here please. Uh may actually be too low. And so if that's the case, then the 3% we're proposing is certainly not doesn't feel quite as relevant. Um, and so a new potential proposal is to make that a window of 3 to 4%.

045While we're kind of figuring out what the impact of that is. So >> I will no sorry music out too. So just to conjunct this also came up at Dresden this morning which is the 3% as written already accounts for all the increases that the per negotiations right the teacher and staff increases are already part of that. So sometimes there's >> confusion or at least disagreement over whether when we say these these percentage goals does that already account for >> negotiators budgeting changes. So this does, right? >> This would Yes. >> Yeah. And I think I think we were perhaps ambitiously low um in discussing with the with the budget committee. Um that said, I will you know, one of the wonderful things about the budget process at the Ray School is that they really

046start with the zerobased budgeting and build up from there. And so um I think our you know given the sort of general financial pressures that are swirling about and so many unknowns at this point um I think our collective goal was to um really challenge them to think about what what the greatest needs are to meet the the um you know within the strategic plan and to meet the goals of the school um and build up from there. Um, but as Renee said, I think there are some external factors um that will very likely push that 3% up. And so we are open to that. Um, but also wanting to recognize, you know, that inflation's at 3.2, our negotiated teacher increase is at 2%. So, you know, this may be a year without obviously wanting

047to sacrifice educational programming in any way where we can think about, well, where are some of the areas that, you know, we maybe don't need to go quite as high this year. So, >> I actually have a question and I should have asked it earlier. One of the meetings today was suggested that there are active roof peaks in this building and I wanted to have that clarified because although we've been talking about the useful lifespan of roofs I think I I guess I was I was unaware blissfully that there were active leaks. So is that was that an accurate statement? Does anyone know? >> That's a good question. Didn't get up in our budget committee. They not >> they not defeat. >> We see them most often when we get a spring melt and then

048a refereeze and then a remelt. So this ice builds up and yeah we can almost predict like oh it's getting warm. Oh it's going to freeze again. Get out buckets. And has anyone so that's what I heard for the high school as well and I was appalled. >> So has anyone thought about implementing a solution for ice dams in the problem locations which there are products available basically some heating products which prevent the ice from because what you're going to do is >> ruin a whole bunch of infrastructure that we will then have a much bigger project to deal with. And so I am concerned about that. And so I think in this budget cycle, especially since the sort of update that Rene gave a little while earlier about the CIPC on the town level,

049>> having some really big costs coming in two years, now would be the time for us to do any of the projects so that we don't overwhelm the taxpayers in two years. >> And that was also something that we did mention to the true coloring as well as the roofs on the buildings and the flat roof situation. and also tying that into the potential for solar, right? And >> making that part of the project. >> There's like wants and needs and like it is an emergency need if there is actually water getting into the building from the roof. That is not a well, let's consider this and that that's a it needs to be fixed. I think I my sense is that over the past I I'll say five years, but I I think this

050is kind of and this is where I'm glad that we finally have a lot of data behind it and a committee that's going to hopefully identify those must do immediately. I think what we've been hesitating on on a lot of these things um because this is not a just this year problem, right? um we've been put putting the band-aids on because we want to redo the roofs and so like do you want to spend the money to fix the roof when you're going to redo the roof and we've been in this vicious cycle of like you know is it worth fixing or should we just redo it so yeah >> explain to me since I've been here >> even at the SAU when we were getting out the buckets and >> yeah but I've been

051talking about the roots since I got here because it kind of >> this is unfathomable it's unfathomable because it is I mean we are all about fiscal responsibility until you have a contractor hired in a date schedule for whatever large scale project you're going to do this has got to be taken care of now I mean I I couldn't believe I was I was in a state of shock in the meeting when it was presented as active leaks >> it's not okay our job >> so that I I have I'm having a Lebanon high school chuckle in listening to you because >> I think a lot of schools went with the flat route and I >> league and I don't at all to be dismissive but um yeah >> flat roofs in New England may

052not >> I mean the leaks at Lean High School over the years when I was there >> yeah right came up last week at the Marian Cross meeting >> their leaks. >> We're looking for data points. Our office has a leak upstairs, but >> you know, we are trying to protect the copers. >> So, I think it's pretty universal. And Tony, I've seen Tony leap up and go out and shovel. And >> Tony's pretty frustrated because he's been trying to get them fixed for years. >> You have to have flat roofs shoveled. You have to have white ice mitigation on flat roofs. You can't just say, "Oh, this is something we're going to." So, I'm throwing that out there as something that I learned today. We This is an urgent >> Well, you're gonna be

053excited about our retainage conversation then. >> Good. Okay. >> Yes. In all this, this also came up at at dressing earlier today, which is I'd be curious for a race school perspective on the heating and cooling issues where it was pointed out at this meeting that the high school um does monitor temperatures per room and that it often exceeds high 80s into the low 90s within the classrooms, which obviously has issues with terms of student ability to pay attention. Teachers some safety issues in terms of passing out and fainting. There were I've heard strong anecdotal evidence that the gym also can become incredibly uncomfortable the point of people might pass out as well just by being there during the summer let alone there's large gatherings like especially like sporting events or voting day or whatever

054and we've also heard at least at Dresden that RMS is even worse than the high school in terms of heating and cooling issues. Does anyone have a sense of how Ry is doing and if there's room by room temperature monitoring? looking I guess at Colleen who's still with us. Lauren, >> hi. Sorry. Um, you're asking about temperature variations within the building >> and as well as does it get to the point where it is dangerous sense of being too hot or too cold >> within the school year at the school. >> I couldn't hear what you said. You you zoned out there. There are there have been concerns expressed at the other buildings that it is either too hot and or too cold at certain parts of the year when it becomes an issue of

055safety, potential liability, medical issues um for select populations as well as just general comfort and ability to focus on learning. Do we know if at the race school is temperature being tracked and if so is it getting dangerously high or dangerously low at any point during the school year? >> I don't know that it's being tracked in any way. I can say that it's there are wild variations between one end of the building and the other on any given day depending on where where you are in the building. Um you can be in one room and be need a sweater and then you're in the next room and you're peeling off layers. So it's it's it varies wildly between all over the building. >> Um it's not tracked in a sense that we have you

056know 180 days on a daily basis for filling out what the temperature is. But in our warm months or those particularly warm days, you can see on your wall when you're uncomfortably hot in the classroom, you can see on your wall what the thermostat is saying. And we do have classrooms that get up into the high 80s into the low 90s. We're fortunate in that we're single story >> instead of having the stacked stories like RMS and the high school have. >> Um, and we do bring out humidifi dehumidifiers as well as very large fans to move the air around. Um we purchased four, five, four um air conditioner units for windows for our fourth grade classrooms. Um and we rely on teachers letting us know when things are getting particularly warm. Um as we

057talked about moving forward with goals through the strategic plan in the areas of facilities. Um, back in when I was in my other role, uh, Teresa and I did have that conversation about how we need to be looking at air conditioning across the entire race school building, um, in a way that makes sense because we are no longer a school that just is in session during the cooler months of the year. So, we used to be able to say more easily. >> Um, well, there's just a couple of hot days and those couple of hot days, we'll put the fans in. um we're having more of those hot days and we're also using the school year round whether it be for summer services, for summer camps and for handover w camps as well. Um so

058it has become more of an ongoing issue and it is a concern. >> Yep. >> And I would venture that it's it's only going to get worse >> with climate change etc. And it's a liability issue for us is nothing in addition to all the other things we talked about and I don't think it's acceptable personally. Well, and I'll add an additional liability situation. I mean, I I know in my house, we leave the windows open at night and it cools down and then we close them during the day and that's lovely. We can't do that here. We also should not be propping doors open to make rooms cool enough during the day >> because that's a safety issue. So, you know, there's all those pieces that that come into play as well. And I'll

059try one more thing from the surveys which um I'm not done yet with the handover race school specific surveys but across all four schools in terms of when we ask the parents what are our top most pressing priorities making the buildings more sustainable is a very strong number two and by far the the most nonacademic issue that parents are concerned about. So I would argue we have a lot of buy and support from our parent population on this issue. >> Okay. If it's okay with everybody, I I want to let Renee continue if you already to add on the uh sorry on the uh budget guidelines. We are kind of ekking into the retainage conversation. So just leave all this in mind. >> We're grateful for you Rene. >> I I hope I live up

060to expectations. You're not. >> I won't. Um I'm just trying to just double check. Yeah, I I do think it's noteworthy as I'm just observing this conversation where we've been going that uh we did in the budget committee last Friday explicitly ask about strategic plan and goals associated with it for this school year and we highlighted most things associated with facilities. So, and you you can see that in terms of kind of the volume of things under each bullet point. It's not that that's where the dollar is necessarily going to go this year, but it is something that we clearly need to be starting to plan around >> um in one way or another. So, um we only have one negotiation this year um with support staff, >> service, >> a service staff. Thank you

061very much. Um but next year should be full of fun and exciting >> right this second. Great. Um, but I I think when we get to that, if the board is comfortable with Renee mentioned this recommendation, but giving a 3 to 4% corridor, recognizing that when we give a corridor, we tend to go to the high end of the corridor. Uh, but I I think that's reasonable in this case for all the reasons that that this discussion has brought up. Um, I think we we want to send a message to the internal budget committee as they're doing some of their thinking that um, facilities need to be a priority. And so, um, we're going to talk about some of those funding mechanisms now, but, um, being really mindful of the operating costs and keeping those

062on the lower side where it is reasonable without sacrificing programming, um, so that we can start to really tackle some of this um, physical plant maintenance and um, replacement that needs to happen. So yeah, that >> and before we switch documents, could um someone in the room provide more context on what this means or what the expectations are for expanding the cafeteria as well as an orchestra space? Anyone know what we mean by that? >> Well, so our our cafeteria um is not it would not be allowed if the building were built right now. It cannot house all the students. Not even >> Well, the students don't even eat there. It can't it can't hold maybe one class at a time maybe. It's very small. Um and so I I know if we if we

063talked about building a new building, right, like or or building a new wing, we would want the cafeteria to to be to code to to house our students. I mean truly um I don't know if that is what that's referring to or if it's something more temporary. >> No. Okay. No for the budget committee. Um and then orchestra space. I don't know the answer to that either. This is currently the orchestra space. Right. >> Yeah. Um >> right. No. >> Uh so here our strings and band are the one small room that's off of the main office. >> Oh >> it's like or something >> where Sheila used to be for a time. Okay. Yes. >> Yes. And like Colleen, I can't see if you're raising your hand, so feel free to cut me off

064and answer this question. >> Um, >> currently right here, right, this is this is our music classroom. The majority of the space is used really wisely by our music educator here. Um, this is a problem, right? The accord, we can't rely on having two spaces here. Um, and even if we were to close this space, the other side of that wall is PE and it's not soundproof. That is also not soundproof. So you've got music stacked with instruments stacked with PE and that's this area is not conducive to that space. Those practices happening all at the same time. Uh right now 704 is where band and strings are sharing the space which means that on any given day only one of them is working. >> Um additionally I can't I don't think that I heard

065it said um so far but we're considering preschool on the handover side if we were to. Yeah, we were to implement. You'll hear more about that in the future. Rob and I have been working with Rat and Cindy um in some discussions. >> Uh we've been having this discussions for a while, but this would be a year where you may receive a presentation very soon about that. >> Um the one of the spaces that we would consider that would be ideal for a prek classroom is that space. So if that happens, we really don't have a space for strings and bands. So, we're trying to think of um creative ways where we could create or purchase or house an additional space for orchestra and band for that business. >> Okay. Thank you. Um so all

066of that again I would encourage the budget committee to you know think think through those priorities think through the costs and um you know Colleen I'm I'm looking looking at you through the computer here but um I think you know the as a board we have traditionally been very um you know mindful of of operating costs but also encouraged our um race school staff and budget uh committee to bring forth ideas. Right. And if if we can find room in the budget, if we can find room in the reserve funds, if we can find room um for things that are important, then we'll consider those. So, um different levels of funding is also sometimes helpful. I know um in the past the budget committee has brought us like this is the next thing that we

067would spend money on or this is the next thing that we you know we had this extra funding, this would be our next priority. So that's always helpful to So uh board members, we will be looking for a vote on the budget guidelines in the fire business requiring action. Hopefully not too much longer. Um any other concerns or can we move on to retainage? Okay, so the retainage um there's lots and lots of documents here now which is great. Um we uh so just a brief overview of retain ash and this spent my afternoon trying to wrap my head around this. Um so just as a reminder for everybody else who might need to also rewrap their heads around it. Um each year there is we we we budget a certain amount. We don't hit

068that amount exactly because that would be a risky way to run our business, right? Um and so there is hopefully a surplus at the end of the year. Um when that surplus happens um there are several things that happen with that surplus. Part of it when we are um early in the budgeting process kind of looking at you know did we have um for example last year we had um several positions that were unfilled for a long time. Um we had some monies come in that we didn't expect. We had you know things like that that happen early on in the year. We can kind of project that we're expecting a certain amount of surplus. And Teresa, feel free to kick me out if I'm misexplaining things. Um, and so in as part of our

069budgeting process, there's often a certain amount that we will promise back, um, to offset taxation, promise back to the taxpayers to offset taxation. Um, and so, um, we kind of go through our year with with and through our budgeting process with that in mind. um when and Teresa has um provided us sort of the last document that you'll see on there, an unodudited fund balance. Um and that is sort of everything pulled together at the end of last year, including the amount that we said in our budget process when we went to the warrant articles last year. We said to the taxpayers, we anticipate being able to return to you 1.4 million. I'll just remind everybody we've been sitting on some kind of large surpluses rolling forward because of co um when we went through

070COVID we had a fair amount of um unspent funds um because we didn't have the building open we didn't have you know so a lot of this is still kind of coming down from that postcoid time um and so we we told the taxpayers we'd give them back 1.4 4 million. Um, we, as you'll see at the bottom of the document, and this was a new setup for me, Teresa. I like the way you've laid it out. I think it's it it's actually clearer for me to understand. Um, but so that the the 590,000 that you see there is what we retained on last year's surplus. Um, and I'll just remind everybody that we are allowed to retain up to 5% our voters have allowed us to do that. 5% is a lot at roughly

071like 700,000. Um so that amount is possible for us to retain. Um, we also in our warrant articles last spring asked the voters to authorize us to keep a 100,000 um and put it into our reserve funds for maintenance and um uh yes, the maintenance funds. Yeah. Um which is I know Tara will be happy to hear. Um so we can also take 100,000 of that and put it into our maintenance funds. So, when you look at kind of all of that put together, um we have essentially 394,000 that we can vote to retain. Um we can vote this evening to put 100,000 into that maintenance fund and retain 294,000. We could decide to give money back to the town in excess of that 1.4 million, though I don't think we need to do that.

072Um there are many good reasons, some of which have been stated here tonight to make sure that we have um those reserved funds kind of sitting there. Um and last thing I'll say and sorry I've been rambling for a while, but um you know one of the things that you know is that I like about this again Teresa sort of a shift in the way that we have been thinking about retained funds. I think in the past retained funds in our in our process have sort of been viewed as part of revenues and I haven't seen them pulled out as clearly as you've done here which is super helpful. Um and I want us all as a board to consider that you know we don't have to think about rolling those back in and giving

073them back to the town as we move into next year and as we look at the monies that we have left in the year. We don't have to say, you know, we want to give that 1.4 million back. Um, we can say we have these big projects coming up and we actually think we need to keep any surplus that we have in our budgets in order to complete these important projects, right? Technology, infrastructure, right? All of these things that we've been talking about. So, I think as we start to to plan into next year, um shifting a little bit how we're thinking about um what we want to do with excess funds might be a really valuable exercise for this group. >> I have a question linked to the retainage. I'm just looking at that

074wall over there and wondering if given the sound issues in here and Colleen I can't see you and the gym it still seems to merit fixing that wall. I mean to have something that doesn't function of the size of this doesn't function. Um, is that would that be a priority for the Ray School to get that wall replaced? >> Absolutely. >> She said absolutely. Yes. Okay. Um, and and to that end, I also wanted to point out for I don't know if this is facilities committee, if it's our current administration, if it's the budget committee that's going to be convening. Um, I think there is a good chance that there will be some surplus in this year. If I just think about some of the positions that we have filled and unfilled within the district

075and um you know some of the salary differentials that we have, I think as we sort of plan out towards the end of this year, we should be mindful of that and how those monies might be used in this current year, not even I'm not talking the budget process for next year, but in this current year, um being thoughtful about what monies might be diverted to that kind of a project. So, >> yeah, Colleen, I don't know if you wanted to add. Sorry, I'll continue to be ignoring you. >> This is fine. Sorry. I Yeah, I think replacing or repairing this wall is a priority for this space, especially now that we have the cast program, the larger cast program here, and we need the additional spaces. >> Um, so, >> yep. Go ahead, De.

076I I I just think it bears what given what Colleen just said, it bears stating that there is a revenue attached to spending that money. In other words, the after school programs and everything >> rely on us. They bring in money, but they rely on us to spend some money. Correct. >> That makes sense. I I just Yeah. Do you need to call me? >> Yep. thing. Uh, and thanks Deb. Yeah, number three on like the second to last page of like things that are have been considered um not been considered the quick model. Number three is the accordion wall. Uh, and I am noting I think we're going to need to do an update to this. Is that right? To the to clarify like the budget the 3 to 4% >> the guidelines. >>

077Yeah, the guidelines. Yeah. Um, so to kind of highlight the fact that the fixing of the accordion wall also helps with additional revenue from other use of the building for sure. Um so on the retainage um when we get to that point I think um I I is the board looking for a headnot at this point and then there there's motion language later on but are we generally comfortable with the concept of keeping the 394,000 estimated surplus? That's my sense. Yes. Okay. Um, and of that putting 100,000 into our maintenance reserve fund as the taxpayers allowed us to do. >> Yes. >> Actually, yes. >> And I just want to point out to our new members that Dresden does not have everything with Trump. This is a handover specific thing due to the differences in

078interstate and things like that. >> Um, and I also wanted to further point out because I I don't know if this is why Tara just looked at me the way she looked at me, but I'm ing since that's the reason she selected me. So I think no I think part it wasn't a bad look it was a thoughtful look. Um I think the um you know there could be a question why earmark that for maintenance right I mean it's it's our money anyway. Um and again I think this is an opportunity for us to sort of shift how we're talking about retainage shift how we're thinking about retainage. Um, what has happened to our retainage amount historically is that it's been viewed as part of revenue that can get rolled in and that can just

079sort of automatically be considered as, you know, it's going to roll back in next year versus we're going to keep retaining up to that 5%. Right? Um, and so part of that would be you're like carving that out and saying no, don't think about this as money that could potentially roll back in. this is going into the maintenance fund and it is not to be touched except for that purpose, right? Um acknowledging that we have I think plenty of opportunity to spend the what would now be I believe a balance of around 375,000 in that >> and there I was just thinking I just gave you >> something about that. It was in the warrant article language. I can grab it real fast. um terror. >> So I was actually thinking about our projected surplus

080>> um and wondering where the differential um came from the the 1.4 that was promised to town and wondering if we have a vital infrastructure problem for $75,000 that's sitting here unressed. why we did not remove um $100,000 to accomplish the soundproofing and fix the wall and then just return 1.3 because this is an issue. >> Yes, >> this is an issue. We cannot leave it unressed. It should not be part of the budget process for next year. It needs to be fixed now. >> And I will point out that we do have the option to not return the 1.4 4 million to the taxpayers acknowledging that doing so says to the taxpayers we are deciding to raise your tax rate in October right that is what it says so I mean doing that we

081have that option and I want us to know that we have that option to say we're actually only going to return 1.3 at this point now why yes >> we didn't plan for this to break >> and that's not something that really is reasonable to leave unressed and it's not a budgeted item. It is an operational cost. If we're not doing a capital improvement, it just needs to be done. So, instead of thinking about these kinds of things and figuring out how do we let the taxpayers know that they're going to eventually have to pay more money for this, why don't we just fix it now when we have the mechanism to do so? save ourselves the time and energy and avoid the cost increases that are going to happen and the impacts to the

082school that are going to occur as we kind of stable instead of having spikes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Then >> there are items that are way more than seven than 75 that we don't bring to the public space. It just it broke. Well, I would suggest 100,000 because there's also apparently a soundproofing issue that we need to attend to and it makes sense to do at the same time if that's what we need for this space to be more functional. I'm just I'm throwing that out there and I mean I would rather just address it now and give the benefits to the students and the instructors um rather than talking about it for the next budget cycle which makes no sense to me. >> I agree with that. I Yes. Um, we have we

083in my recollection have never promised a certain amount back to the town and then >> Not done it. Um, and so I'm looking to Teresa to sort of understand that sounds like a big deal to me. Why don't you all be? But at the same time, um, given the again the circumstance of why you would be doing it, it's not because you're just deciding to decorate or something. So, you've got something that's definitely malfunctioned in that sense. Um, I haven't done yet because we have to turn in our final revision of our revenues which will be due this month. So that is something that we're definitely because that'll be in the factor and set in the tax rate and everything else too that whole thing like you're saying >> and that's due end of September

084is that correct >> that that paper yes 22 24 >> so Kelly that was my interest is how did we get to a projected balance of 1.173 to an a promise of 1.4 for I guess that how does that process work because I just don't know. >> So the one point and this is where I say I I initially had and Renee got to hear my heart attack when I I initially saw the 1.1 and I said oh my gosh we're 300,000 short of what we promised we would have. Um and then I saw that 590 at the bottom and I kind of went aha as long as we're not double counting. I see what happened. We're not double counting. Trace has done a good job. Um and and I think um so the answer

085to your question is that back in the budget process when our business administrator looked at where we were in the year, this was a comfortable safe estimate of where we would be at the end of the year. But again incorporating that 590 as a an expendable amount. And that's where I'm saying I think going forward we need to shift how we're thinking about whatever we're retaining as not an expendable amount in our calculation. >> So just to be sure we communicated this our operational position before the wall broke >> and then the wall broke or we just decided not to deal with the wall and we communicated the 1.4 for down >> because I think we just need to be more responsible about what is really in excess and what our school is doing without

086because we are choosing not to fix things in that manner. >> Yeah. >> And one question about this is this a I know it's an annoyance and it's a hindrance. Is it a safety issue >> if it comes out? I've heard it is a safety issue because it's kind of hanging there and it's not that's from Colleen in our meeting. >> As long as it's closed, as long as it's pushed back in the wall there, when it gets pulled pulled out, it doesn't hang correctly. There's nothing to secure it. It's not It's not in the track the right way on the top. That's why it's not being pulled out. It can't be pulled out all the way. >> Could a student who's mischievous cause problems? >> Uh, I can't move it. So, I don't think

087a student can move it. I mean, it's like it's over. >> Um, Teresa, can you do you know off the top of your head if a $100,000 difference, right? If we if our we reduce those revenues by 100,000 and we keep we return 1.3 instead of 1.4. Um, do you know the impact on the tax rate of that 100,000 off the top of your head? >> I don't know off the top of my head. >> Okay. >> The tax rate hasn't been established yet. Yeah. So, we're all over the line. >> Yeah. >> I was trying to look at last year's to understand. >> Well, but given that the town Oh, sorry. >> Given that the town just reappraised everything, I would imagine that's going to be pretty significant. >> That's true. There's >> one

088seriously. >> Okay. Um, so what? Yep. Oh, sorry, Teres. Go ahead. >> For the record, we do have a capital reserve fund. >> Mhm. >> And we do have funds in there. So if it really is that big of a concern and should be replaced, >> that's what that's there for. >> Agreed. Yeah. I think the question is more are we comfortable are we comfortable with retaining only 300,000 heading into next year is I think the question. Do we feel like that is sufficient? >> I am not with the list of physical plant issues that are ahead of us. I am I'm not comfortable. We are setting ourselves up >> and I feel like we need to be fiscally responsible about how we approach this which is not trying to grab all the money at

089once and put some undue burden on the taxpayers at one very inflective point of time. It's it's planning in advance and taking care of these things. >> So, here is my proposal, dear board members. Um, I am thinking, as I said, we we've just I don't disagree with you and I actually I think this makes a lot of sense. We've just never done it before. Um, given that you have a finance committee meeting coming up in advance of our Dresden meeting, I'm wondering if it might make sense to schedule a special >> handover meeting before the Dresden meeting to make this vote so that we can just do our due diligence in understanding the impact of this decision. Is that a reasonable proposal? Then >> I would point out that there is a four chair

090scheduled before res as well as a possible SAU add-on at night as well. >> I mean my hope would be that this would actually be pretty much a vote, right? Because I think we've had the conversation here. I'm Is anyone in disagreement with attempting to lower that to 1.3 million? No, I think my only question is >> is the information the question you just asked is that we want to get what the impact is on the text and and based on what you just shared ter are we going to get that information between now and that meeting. Is that actually possible >> or are we just going to be giving it another period of time? >> I will say and this is just me trying to be a good community member as we asked them

091to do last spring, right? I I think making this kind of decision without giving them a heads up that we are considering this what is the impact of this for you and you know it may be actually a pretty small impact given and they may say yeah fix the plant if there's something wrong fix it fix the ice leaks fix the you know that needs to be a priority it's actually not a huge impact so let's make that decision >> or they may say oh my gosh you have no idea what that's going to do to us you know Yeah, >> I think my position on all this is the funds are going to have to be expended whether we want to or not. What our discussion right now is where are the funds coming

092from and when >> and how does that impact the rest of the planning that we have to do to continue to run things correct I would say in a >> in a better way I would hope. >> Yeah. >> So that's op where's the money coming from? It's not optional. We have to do it. So >> yeah, I agree. And and again, I would say the timing of it, right? I mean, that's my only it's the creating expectations. >> And you asked a question about due diligence. I'm I'm all for due diligence. So if a couple of conversations are necessary, >> okay, so if it's okay with everyone, um Teresa, will that timing be okay if we do that on the 23rd? >> Sure. >> Okay. Right. I mean, we can do it whenever. I

093just that's the res meeting, so I assume enough of us will be there, right? um >> not please let me know. >> Take this opportunity. Okay. Um so when we get down to the voting portion of the meeting, um we'll just table that until the following I just lost my agenda. Sorry, guys. Until the following. Okay, good. All right. You guys are awesome. Thank you so much. Um moving on. Oh, sorry. Before we move on, was there any There's a bunch of documents there. Teresa, were there any other documents that we need to know about? Now, >> the documents that are included are just the supporting documentation that um back up all the numbers that are put into the front document, which will also back up all the the DOE once that's populated and everything

094else. And then I bring that forward next time. >> Amazing. Thank you so much. Um and I did have one other question. the balance of our various retainage accounts. Um, sorry, our reserve funds and stuff. >> Yeah, those are in just in the full budget. Is that where we would find those? >> No, like fun 27 has all the um like student activity accounts, all the special reserves or um so that is a separate um you'll see attached paper. You'll see >> fun. I see it. Okay, super. >> The food service fund and the grant funds >> and has the opening balance there. Okay, brilliant. Thank you so much. All right, Deb, you ready to show? >> Sure. Um, and first I want to apologize. I pushed this onto the September meeting because the um

095NHSBA conference thing was the what the first weekend in October >> and then they changed it and there were some real interesting issues there where it appeared that emails were not going through and either it was on their end I'm pretty sure rather than ours but anyhow it's all been cleaned up so I apologize for but we may as well do it if you've prepped for it. >> So, you'll notice what I was thinking I would do is go through each of the resolutions that need some conversation. The first three are all basically the same and suggest what I think we should do with it, not to tell you what to do. And then you can disagree with me if you want and we'll go through all of them and then we can vote. Um,

096so the first one you'll recognize because it was ours and they are supporting an alternative resolution. And my my preference, I don't like their language that says any legislation that would have the effect of further undermining the reliability of protecting revenues and expenses. I wanted I wanted to say um any open enrollment legislation as it will have the effect of further undermining. >> So I would like to go in all peace, love and tie-dye because they usually expect that I'm going to argue with them and say fine, but I would like to propose an amendment to that language because I think theirs is too passive and wishy-washy. Um, so the same thing would be and they they're basically responding to the do and the um oyster river the same way. >> So that's my thinking

097about the first three. >> Good for me to keep going. >> Yep. So then um Chesterfield is about um adding the language public and I think the schoolboard associations alternate resolution is even more thorough because it just keeps putting it in place. It's public schools, public school districts, public education. So I would support the um alternative resolution for that one. Um, and then the next one is really interesting. I'm just going to take two seconds. No, I won't. I'll take more than that. So, Chesterfield got understandably peeved because open enrollment was attached to a bill that talked about bullying and cyber bullying. And so, they their resolution is to say non-gerermanine amendments can't be attached to bills. Well, and the schoolboard association says sometimes we want that amendment. And I had a conversation with Mary

098Hacken Phillips this afternoon, who I think you all know is one of our core state reps. And she says there w there's actually a bill that is going to come up in conference maybe next week. And it was I've already forgotten what it's not it wasn't voted in expedient to legislate. it was you know given to interim study and in fact an amendment is in the works that will help um clare money in some fashion. I don't know what but the reality is from a just logistical point of view it can be very helpful to be able to attach an amendment so that you can deal immediately with a situation that's come up. So I >> Like an accordion wall. And I won't say that in a conquered because they won't know what I'm talking

099about. But I completely agree with the um NHSBA recommendation. And I thought that added bit about Claremont helps to further it. Um, the next one is Raymond and I, again, I am all on board with the NHSBA director's recommendation because they don't want to have anything that remotely suggests they appe approve of vouchers. So, they don't want to go down this road. Um, and I I completely concur. Notice I'm assuming you've all read these and if you haven't and you need me to give you a quick blurb, I'm happy to do that. Um, so that's that one. Um, and the next one is also Raymond and they wanted to identify a number that should be g going into uh building a program every year. They identify it as $60 million. And in fact, there are

100resolutions and you can see them right there. There two and these are existing resolutions. These are these aren't ones come up for debate. These are sort of foundational. You need to ha that was a pun and I didn't mean it to be. But this is about building and putting money into building. So again, I found myself agreeing with the New Hampshire School Board Association. Who knew? And and they I mean I I say this in just um and they noticed that these have been I think one of them has been in place since or they noted that the state hasn't fulfilled their obligations since 2009. um just a shocking shocking I say find gambling going on 20 is is an interesting one because it's so conquered specific >> and it's unfortunate because um it makes

101it hard for the schoolboard association to really uh respond to it. It's and so they basically said we already have a resolution and they do about providing funding for school lunch program. So again I feel like yeah I concur. Yeah. Go ahead. Oh >> what are your thoughts where a number of these kind of have the point of we already do that >> right? And I remember in previous years that that's been an attempt made by member school boards where allowed us to draw attention to the issue let alone yeah we know you still care but still this is still an ongoing issue. >> What are your thoughts on that? Is that you agree that HSBA sort of we've already done it or is it paid? about that with the very next one which is

102about >> um I I do think that this is really important to have school lunches but the the tenor in conquered is not to do that. Um, and so I think the NHSBA is looking for I think there are times when it's important to goose them a little bit and say the membership really thinks this is important and I would opt for um >> for the gun one except that once again conquered wrote it all about conquered right >> um and what I think one of the problems is that these things come up in, you know, they have to be filed by the middle of the summer and they are or are not quite as resonant um in the fall. But I I hear you. I'm it it's kind of interesting because my grandchildaughter started

103kindergarten this fall over in Maine and we were talking on the phone after her first day of school and her mom says, "What did you have for lunch?" And I thought, "What do you why are you asking her what she had for lunch?" They all get free lunch and they Um, and >> so yeah, so she was just talking about what her options were and what she picked and I thought, "Oh my god, what is wrong with New Hampshire?" But >> yeah, um, everywhere. >> Yeah. I think that what could happen with this one is I if you give me direction is for me to say our board wants again to emphasize how important this is and to make sure that the the fact that it's a continuing resolution or the existing resolution doesn't allow

104the issue to kind of disappear from conversation >> and I'll remind new board members that res and handover I think actually issued a resolution about a gun several years ago where we ourselves as a board have occasionally it's probably less than one a year now >> send out resolutions of our own that go into Valley News and similar expressing our thoughts and we did one on guns a few years ago >> so I'm just making myself >> I might I might suggest that the the food one could I think both of those you know could be tied together even to say that both with the concrete resolutions while you know understandably emphasizing or or pointing to resolutions that already exist would like to express their support for renewing >> the conversation around both. >> Absolutely.

105Yeah, I completely agree. >> Um and I I I think the challenge I I really want people it they're changing. It used to be that you had to um actually bring each resolution forward deliberately for it to be discussed and now they are going to discuss each resolution regardless. So, so I think the fact that Conquer has with the next resolution um they are itemizing school shootings and of course we've had two more since they presented this or at least two more theuniation and then today in Colorado. Um I think it gives us the opportunity to talk once more about how this is just unsustainable and whatever. Um, but I wrote town as my notes for tonight. I'm not sure why conquered keeps referencing their district and I always opt for supporting resolutions about gun

106control. So, um, it may be a you may decide you don't want me to vote in support of this, but um, I'm happy to to vote in support of it. Uh and then they they have all their resolutions there. Um the hookset resolution is about lowering the threshold for approving major in infrastructure projects to 50% plus one vote. And the NHSBA sort of sidsteps it and says there should be lower thresholds. They I think probably understandably given the amount of money being spent and I just remember the Dresden Field vote um they probably are reluctant to have it be 50 plus one but and I also don't know and maybe somebody here does um whose authority sets it at 60%. Does is that the legislature >> says it's at RSA? >> Yeah. Okay. in the

107Russian that's >> oh right right there it is >> so I don't yeah anyway >> so >> um of course it would be a law stupid Debbie um and it just they just say lower so I I mean I don't know if you guys want and think let's go for 50 plus one but I know that that was a real I mean maybe you guys don't remember, but I counted the votes for the purchase of the Dresdston Fields and I will never forget um you all know it passed by one vote. >> Oh yeah, we bought the Dresden Fields. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Not only did we buy and buy one vote, >> you mean the board the district bought the Norwich playing fields >> actually before my time >> and Yeah.

108Yeah. And people came in late to vote and were turned away. came in like a quarter after seven. >> Twist. >> What? >> The twist. Yeah, they thought the polls are open until 7:30. >> Yeah. So, I think 50 plus one is personally is not great, but yeah, >> I I I kind of like the higher threshold to make sure that the community is in support of it. Um, I know that it's harder to reach it, but when it's such a big deal, I mean, I feel like it would be better to have the support and work on developing that support first, but I don't know. It's a personal opinion. >> Well, so maybe the happy medium is then lower the alternative resolution, which is sure a little lower like 55. Yeah. Right. >> I'd

109be curious. I don't feel like I have enough data. Like there's a piece with this one for me that feels like I don't have a knowledge base to fully understand. Like I'd love some examples. Like that's a great example. >> Yeah. >> Um but like how often are we talking that like it is a small little number here between 50 and 60. It's not like a huge. So when they say lower >> people voting that's like >> Yeah. Yeah. Like >> for some of this stuff where it says I I get bond article but it says and other warrant articles that raise funds like there are ways you can get around warrant article depending on how you feel about >> raising like sort of it's >> kind of a weird >> why just warrant articles

110why just what does infrastructure mean that can mean different things different people >> you can just add it to the budget instead of making it a warrant article if that is your philosophical approach to those things. So just I could go either way on this one. >> Yeah, I'd love to hear people who like feel passionate in one way or another. Well, and you know, one of the things that that the last few weeks and paying attention to what's happening in Claremont serves to underscore is how school boards are volunteer groups and the degree to which they know or don't know some of the strategies that you were describing. If this is maintenance or repair, why is it a a separate bond article? You know, I just feel empathy for a lot of school districts

111that may be trying to move forward some fixes and they can't get them there because people just won't support anything. >> Um, >> right. >> So, I mean, that doesn't give us a r a direction for this. Um, then the next one, so I'm almost done. is the hooks at school board about fully funding catastrophic special ed. And here the DHSBA has I think six, one, two, three, four, they have five resolutions >> listed that do that very thing. >> Um, so I think we can move on from that. I honestly suspect some people jump. I I think this one came out of Edelblau at the end of the last school year kind of arbitrarily saying >> we're not going to fund special ed and this what um burst that ended up you know not

112being a problem. So that's what I think this is and I suspect that again this is not a statement about hooks set but I don't know how many people gathered here around the table including me spent time reading through all of the res the existing elements of the of what the New Hampshire school board does before we come up with our resolutions. So they may well have not seen this. Well, and that also gets to the point I made earlier where like the newest of these five resolutions is 14 years old. >> And so like you're you're correct. I don't think people are reading what the resolutions are from 1994 when I was 11 or 1990 when I was seven. I'm really being given much credence here. So like >> just because it's on on

113the on the roles now does not mean we can keep >> Exactly. >> Yeah. I'm I'm okay with personally I'm okay with them saying hey let's keep maintaining the transition and they're the defensive like look what we wrote 30 years ago see >> you know that's good enough because I think they're also pretty selective on when they pull that card and when they don't. Yes, they are. And >> and that's why there's file for the catastrophic question, right? >> But I I do think your point, Ben, is is worth converting into a conversation like in response to the two conquered resolutions, which is yes, true, but look at the years of these and it bears repeating. and we want to make that statement and put like a little fire under you. >> Um the last

114Oh, >> sorry. Sorry. So, I just looked it up to make sure. They actually changed the name of catastrophic aid to special education aid. So, just for what it's worth, I'm kind of surprised they use that term still. But >> yeah, I I was surprised by that, but not for the same reason. I just thought I seen it called catastrophic aid. >> Yeah, it was a while ago. So, anyway, sorry. Carry on. And it's just being incorrect. >> Yeah. >> Well, and I think you just go back to people doing their best. Um, for sure. >> Yeah. Just >> And so the final one is, I think, kind of cool because it's about allowing somebody to count, even if not in person, count towards a quorum if they or somebody they care for at home

115has a disability. And I thought that seemed like a very reasonable resolution. And I thought that the the boards, the school board associations um effort to amend current resolutions to improve the language of them. and showing that in the yellow was actually really good in taking out a resolution that merits removal. >> Mhm. >> So that was one that I thought we should score. >> Yeah. And and I agree with you in the NHSBA one because from my read of it and I could be missing something here, but the actual the non-no resolution does not actually say remote participation. It just says they'll count for quarum. It doesn't say anything about that they're actively participating in the meeting or that they're attending virtually or by phone or anything like that. >> Yeah, but it says

116members who are not able to be physically present at a meeting, >> but it doesn't say they're >> oh >> participating in the meeting. Oh, >> just so that they for being there they see it but I don't actually see it saying that >> but the revision does. >> Yeah, the NHS does do which I think was the intent. >> Yeah. >> Explicitly stated I think it actually approves it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So that's that's it. Um >> question. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Does the is the um alternate resolution allowing anyone to participate? >> It means board members. >> I mean I mean but any board member it doesn't have to be because of disability. It's just it seems to me I'm reading it that it's just opening up >> remote. Yeah. without defining

117what remote means either, >> without having it qualified for a certain reason. And that's what they do at Nor. You only have to have one person present and everyone else can be around, >> right? >> Which probably helps. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. No, I think that's great. >> All right. Um, so Deb, when we get to the motion part of this, >> would you be comfortable crafting a work? Okay, perfect. Love that. >> And um, I mean, historically, we also give Deborah, our representative, the ability to >> to handle to her best competence, representing our interest for things that may come up that we don't know about at the meeting, >> right? like if somebody else had an amendment somewhat like the one I was suggesting to that one, we could still disbate. It's

118really kind of sad to be honest with you how many schoolboard members are reluctant to take any initiative without the >> and they haven't gotten that kind of express permission from their school boards. >> And we're allowed to attend the we can't vote. We attend. >> Yeah. Well, you could have my you could have a second. They give me I'm the only one who has two ballots and they make a statement. There is one member who's representing two school boards and and it's her. >> So, you can come and you can hold anyone. >> If my schedule allows, I may >> Okay. >> I may join you. >> Great. I have snacks. No, it's not. It's a big table outside and you can go in and out and get more snacks and the whole >>

119maybe I shouldn't have shared. >> All right, everyone's going to want to move this into business requiring action so that Ben can vote before I know he has to leave really soon here to have a kiddo. So, um I will take a motion to approve items B >> through no yeah B through D. >> I move to approve items B through D by consent. >> Uh second by Ben >> and everyone's here. So all in favor and for the noteaker that is unanimous. Thank you everybody. We are not approving E this evening. We are going to table F to a special meeting on the 23rd. Thank you in advance everyone for attending that. Um and we will move on to the NHSBA resolutions. >> Okay. Sorry. >> I move to authorize myself, Dem Nelson, to

120vote in accordance with schoolboard direction at this evening's meeting on the NHSBA resolutions on behalf of the Hanover School Board and authorized her me to vote on other business as needed at the annual meeting on October 25th, 2025. >> Second from Ben. Is there any discussion? There was a little bit of any any of those that anybody wanted to pull out or didn't feel comfortable with Ben with the the Debs. >> Say Ben for some reason. Debs will >> we'll have another handover board meeting actually now because the change in the date. So if you want to revisit something, we're also going to talk about it at Dresden. So you could you have plenty value? >> If there's no discussion, I will take a vote. All in favor. All right. Thank you, Deb, for that.

121And we will move on to communications and reports. Yeah. Thank you, Ben. Um I have no to report, I don't think. Just uh thank you to everyone who's working through all of the budget matters in these weeks. I know it is very intense. February is gonna feel really nice. Um, >> it's just around the corner. Um, so that's all I have for this evening. I'm going to move on into committee reports. I've heard a lot from the budget committee. >> Anything else, Renee? No. No. Okay. Anything else from finance committee? Tara Rene's coming up soon. >> Okay. >> Well, thank you guys and both of you for that service. Um, we just heard from NHSBA and uh anything from CIPC. Next is September 19th. Uh, and so we will have more information. Um, >> the

122meeting was >> Yes, the meeting in August was canceled. >> Thank you for sending me that. >> So, um, I'm sorry I misunderstood. So, C CIPC is on the 19th. When is the Hannover Finance? It's >> the third Thursday, I believe, month. Okay. >> Thank you very much. All right. Nothing else from committees. We will move on to our superintendent report. >> Well, I just wanted to report on our opening of school. I thought it was really wonderful smooth opening. We started the first Monday with all of our staff and we had a full staff breakfast followed by I gave just like a little pep talk for the beginning of school year and then we held a student panel and I had students from each of the schools and former students who are now teachers

123in some of our schools served on the panel. and we close with some recognitions for our 10y year staff members, 20 year staff members, and 30-year staff members. So, I got a lot of positive feedback about it. Um, and I just thought it was a really nice way to start the school year. So, and then Wednesday, students came, seemed like a smooth opening on all accounts. And um so the years off to I think a really positive start and a good start. I feel good about it. I just keep knocking on wood just hoping everything continues. But even with you know the rolled out of the cell phone bands and things like that. I feel like it's been a very positive start. I've been able to be in all of the schools multiple times which

124has been great. I asked Ryan to put that in my schedule over the summer to just set aside specific times throughout the week. So, it's really it's worked out fabulously. So, I'm just hoping that continues. And I am attending a um NHSA meeting on Friday which is followed by Drummond Woodsome which will be I think very helpful because we are going to look at all the legislation that's been passed and really analyze what it actually means because I keep asking various organizations okay what really does this mean for our schools in the district and what impact will this have? So I think that will be a helpful presentation to attend and I'll bring back some information from that for all of you as well. So but I'm happy to answer any questions >> questions. I

125just chatted with some teachers at various schools that all said they were very excited to see you and Lauren present in their schools on day one. >> Oh, good. And I am sure that they would continue to sing your phrases about being present. And so I think your presence is just I wanted to make sure you knew they see it. They appreciate it. >> Oh, thank you. Thank you for saying that. I appreciate it. >> All right. Thank you. Anything else for Thank you, >> Lauren. you guys really are having the best time seeing like the magic that is being created in all of the schools. It is >> energizing and inspiring um and just a really a privilege to be a part of. So I felt really grateful to be learning and working with

126Robin and having those visits as well. And like Robin said, just keep looking at my schedule and be like, I can still make that visit. I'm going to that visit. We're doing the thing. So, uh, hoping that continues in the future. Um, I gave you an update on all the things that I am trying to, um, learn and do under Robin's great mentorship and patience. Um, so, lots of things moving forward. One thing that I didn't include that I will make sure to include, um, in the next report is that we're moving forward with some of our district-wide safety planning as well. Um, so I'll make sure to include that in the future. And I'm happy to answer any questions. questions for Yes, >> I'll just say the same thing that it has been wonderful

127working with Lauren and she has done an amazing job. Just there's so many pieces to this position that she's taken on and she's just embraced all of them and gathered the information so quickly and easily. So, she's a fast learner and she really hasn't even needed me. Probably doing a better job than I did. out. >> Thank you. >> Well, that's wonderful. I'm glad you guys are Oh, such a great start. I had one quick question for you, Lauren. Thank you for the summary of sort of the grant impacts and whatnot. Um, and I was just curious like this may be an unfair question, but like scale of 1 to 10. I had trouble kind of understanding like how big an impact has the reduction in grant monies had like on our operations. >> Um,

128so far we're okay. so far. Okay. >> Yeah, we really are. Um, and I think that we can also attribute that to the ability to tap into some other funding sources as needed. Um, and so, you know, having things like the friends of Hannah schools, our amazing PTO as well as Bridgemond >> make it so that a couple thousand dollars feels like a lot, but and also we can look at other creative ways to accomplish the things that we were doing. And then there um one big thing that I didn't spell out for you in this is that previously we had allocated a lot of our um title one monies towards uh sorry yep title one and title two monies towards like funding of positions and interventionists. Those are not part of the budget. So

129that's automatically like $50,000 back that we're looking at for our SRSA grant funding that we're going to be able to backfill some of those reduced allocations in the title one and title two. So I'm I'm not currently worried, but I think that it's important to keep a pulse on that trend because certainly not positive, but we operationally are okay right now. That was the feeling I got from your report and I just wanted to confirm that. >> At first when I first started working on the grants and I saw the decrease I was like >> but we're we are okay. Yeah. >> All right. Super. Thank you. >> Although you do indicate that the camp for the kinder kinderg. >> Yes. Um, and so that looks like a fairly >> keep going down under SRSA.

130>> Yeah, it's not SRSA. Is that what it is? Is is that referring to this past year? >> No. No. I just wasn't clear that that meant if we can get that money in, it can be a twoe program. >> Is that the implication? So the SRSA funds are another federal fund that we receive and we actually can use those funds for title one, title two or title 4, >> any of those kinds of activities. And in the past we've used it for interventionists. And um because we already have those funds budgeted, right, >> we they're already pre-allocated. So we can take that some of that funding to >> replace the funding for the kindergarten that we had had previously in title one. >> I I think I just wasn't clear >> that it was

131>> an easy fix. >> Yes, it should be fixed. Yes. >> Okay. >> Because that has been like >> popular and successful. So we like to keep that in place. So, all righty. Anything else for Lauren? Okay, Teresa, you are up. >> I've uploaded my little newsletter. >> I I touched on a few things already. Um, you know, the auditors for the most part have been here this week. Um, going through the school districts, doing the audits, everything else. They're doing one district at a time, trying something different this year. Um, so they're not having us run around 20 different screens bothering back and forth trying to give them stuff um for the various ones. So that's good. Um, we're fully stacked. I noted that finally. Um, now I just got to get them up

132to speed. >> Anything else? Um, I know, uh, transportation seems to have gone pretty well. It was one little minor hiccup right at the beginning, but that was just not something foreseeable. Um, and everything else, not for this school, but it just happened at another school, but other than that, it seems like transportation done pretty well. I did mention in there, um, getting introduced to that pickup pilot. Did I say it right? >> Pickup patrol. >> Pick up patrol. I said it wrong. >> I should just remember Paw Patrol. Yeah. remember that. Um but so I came over and um so Samantha showed me how it all worked. I was pretty impressed with how it works and everything else because it's very mundane how we didn't have students really link to buses and trying to

133do that um based on whether or not they filled out that form >> and because you really only wanted new writers but people would fill it out. So we had 150 forms and then when we got done we had less than 10 that were actually new writers >> the other so the only way to look them up is now you got to go to power school or somewhere else. So, so this is what's been happening. It seems like for a very long time that it's been an administrative task where where I've been before, we've outsourced in even bus companies, they have software where you upload that file >> and but apparently ours doesn't. So, it's been manually done here. Um, but I'm kind of excited to see how that program works because so far I'm

134impressed and I'm like there's no reason why we wouldn't be using it, especially at the other elementary school >> and everything else. And um, and for parents to be able to also say, "Hey, my kid's not going to be on the bus today." >> That's pretty good. Or some reason. And and I think the >> they can communicate with the class staff, too. Maybe a teacher's out and there's a sub, but you've got the um what do they care about? But education assistants um you know they know the schools and stuff like that. So oh that student might not be. So it's pretty impressive and they've got rosters. Those bus drivers have rosters of those kids on the bus. >> Great for time. Yeah. >> Awesome. All right. Questions for Teresa. Yeah, this isn't a

135question, but I just as we start this new year with you as you, I just really appreciate what you're bringing to our meetings and the clarity of the material you presented to us and I know it's, you know, when you're replacing somebody who had big shoes, um, it's good to be told that you're really doing a wonderful job. So, thank you. and we know how hard you're working and I put up with my emails on top of it. So, thank you. I we yes, we are grateful and we will all get into a rhythm as we move forward. So, um all right, I don't think >> that we need a nonpublic. >> All right, we will move right along. Are there any members of the public online? I no longer have my Ben cheat sheet

136here. We'll [Music] see raising their hand. >> All right. Super. Uh with that then, um if there are any agenda items for next meeting, noting that there was a request for the test discussion at some point whenever that's ready. >> Um our next meeting will be the 23rd of September for a very short special meeting to finally decide on a change. What we're going to do with that, I'll figure out what I need to do in the meantime. to make sure we're ready for that. Um, and then our next regular meeting is Wednesday, October 8th, and I will take a motion to adjourn. Doug, >> I move to adjourn the meeting at 9:02 p.m. Second by Renee. >> Roll call starting by Marcella. Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Nelson. Yes. >> Nelson. >> I will

137just note that Ben had to step out at 8:50. I'm sure he's in favor of a journey. >> You know, he was actually Yeah. Thank you.