001Hello people who are out there listening to me trying to not realizing that the Zoom was on. Um, my name is Lisa Christie. I'm the chair of the SAU board. We are here for one of our regularly scheduled only SAU meetings, which don't happen all that often. so we can, you know, relax and ease our way into it. We don't have to worry about getting dressed in behind. Um, calling to order at 602. Um, first item, we have a we have a substantive evening ahead and a lot of it it will be a non-public. Um, so just trying to be I will be mindful of time and try to make sure I hit that balance of allowing time for discussion but also keeping us being efficient. So, okay. Um, agenda review. Does anyone have anything
002that they need to add or change around? You'll let me know if they raise their hands. Thank you. Um, okay. Seeing none, at this point in time, the public um may address the board. You have on anything that is not on the agenda. So, if the item is on the agenda, we ask that you hold your public comments until that item is discussed. But if there is anything that you would like to make a public comment on that is not on the agenda, you have three minutes. Um if you could please start by stating your name and your address before commenting on the agenda topic. And just a quick reminder that um with things not on the agenda, we are we cannot have a full we cannot have a board discussion. So we are more
003than grateful to hear your comments and are grateful if you have any. Um, but we we can't comment on things that haven't been sufficiently warned for a public discussion. So, with that said, is anyone Hello, public. Do you guys have anything to say that's not on the agenda? You guys are all on the agenda, so I'm assuming no. Okay. And member of the public, Jam, can you move Chris over speaker? Chris, you're good to go if you mute yourself. Unmute yourself. Sorry. Um, hi. Yes, this is Chris Rivet um from Rsboro Road in Etna. Um I was wondering if the board uh would ever or would in in future meetings um make some comments about the the lawsuit. Um I would would like to know more about um why the board determined to join the
004lawsuit. um you know it it seems that it would go forward without our um school and there only a few schools joined it. So I just wonder what's the point of of joining it. Um and what what in particular about the dear colleague letter um caught the board's interest and motivated everyone to to um to go to go forward with it. So if if at some time you could uh present that information that would be very helpful. Thank you Chris. Um I will comment that um technically the lawsuit is under the jurisdiction of the handover and the Dresden school boards which I know gets very very confusing. Um this is the SAU board meeting. So um I'll be sure to pass that along to Kelly who isn't currently here. will be joining us later who's
005the chair of the Hanover board and Ben who's the chair of the Dresden board just heard you. Um and that said Jay as part of his superintendence report later on today will be addressing um aspects of the lawsuit with an update. So there will be that happening um in the reporting section of tonight's meeting. Hold on. I just like Chris, he's good. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. I was gonna just going to add that on our website, Chris, you'll find under our our I think it's under um about us, uh there's a superintendent corner in the website and all of there's actually a link in board docs. If you're following along on the agenda under my report, you'll see links to all the relevant documentation. Thanks. So, Chris, if you go into tonight's agenda and
006just follow under Jay's report in section six um 6 C, no 6D will be Jay's report and you can just click on his report and then keep clicking so you hopefully will get the information, some of the information you're looking for, but he also will be talking publicly about it. Okay, great. Any other comments from the public? Okay, with that said, business requiring discussion. Um, start off with reading of policies. We have three policies. Um, well, two policies that are on their first reading and a third that is something that we just discuss annually. So, Ben, take it away. Sure. These are hopefully much more simplistic than my last few. So, the change of school one is a sort of a definition of best interest placement that we've worked with on occasion and Ryan very
007thankfully highlighted the updates of what was put in there. Note that this is somewhat surprisingly Vermont does not have a relevant policy to this and we've had some discussions with Vermont where their feedback was basically you can try whatever you want and we'll see what happens. um which is not the most reassuring things to hear, but we are doing the what is required by law in New Hampshire and this is applicable to New Hampshire students andor Dresden students about what cons what consists of a change of school or change assignment best interest placement. The rest of it fairly straightforward which you already follow apart from green additions. And the second one JLF is a child abuse form and that one passed through policy without any comment. It is fairly short and to us seemed fairly
008obvious so we don't disagree with it. And the investment like Lisa mentioned is a standard form that we we see every year typically doesn't warrant discussion. And and with that said, is there any discussion from the board on any of these? Neil, can you just be clear, Ben? The new language is um to align it with New Hampshire statute or rule but in sorry in practice we have been adhering to the rule or the law even though the policy might not have reflected that. Yes. Okay. Yeah that's good clarification. Thank you. Any other comments from the board or questions or discussion? [Music] Thanks. I can take off my school ID just real quick. That's a sh right there. Like I didn't realize I still had it on until I heard it banging the table. Okay.
009Um any comments from the public? Okay. Thank you very much, Ben, and thank you, board. Um, the next item on our agenda is a technology update, and we have Brian Patton, our director of IT, here to talk to us. Sorry, we're not there. No discussion of the other policies at all. Oh, I thought we were I thought we were doing all of them at once. Sorry. Oh, okay. Yeah. Do you have a Do you have questions? We can go back. Um, it was just the form. Is that new all new or the form itself is new? So before it was I don't think there was a specified form at the state level and the policy level. So this is was put in there and we thought everything in there seemed intuitive and didn't think of
010anything missing or should be removed. Okay. But the form it's the sorry the language in the form itself is coming from the state. Yes. Okay. Any other comments on any of the three policies? And then once again, yes, Renee. On the the investment one, um I did not commit to memory the uh the climate action policy plan. Wonderful document that was created. Um but I know there's a lot of discussion in general about like investing and things that are not, you know, oil and gas. Um I I don't know if there that's in there, but is there has anybody done a close read? Do we is there any reason we need to be thinking about these two things together? You mean like devestment from things that we may not fans of? I don't think we've
011ever brought these aligned those two issues and I don't believe this policy from HSBA would address that. Okay. Whether we want it to is a separate question, right? Yeah. I don't see anything in here specifically talking about what types of funds we consider. I'm not saying it necessarily needs to, but certainly if that's something we're already committing to as of last meeting, we probably want to be thinking about whatever we need to include in this Ben and then Jay. So I I would agree that that would be a discussion that needs to happen at some point probably in terms of a deep dive of what we currently have as our investments which I think is beyond the purview of this level of scrutiny but I think that's a fair question to ask of our administration
012to kind of and see what those are and if they're any relevant or should be more a closer look in that lens. Yeah, I think you're right especially in light of what we passed last month. Yes, Jay. And I would just say DFA is like we're it's a required bylaw policy. It's pretty pretty boilerplate that just sort of lays out the the legal guidelines within which we can invest. And so if we wanted to do another policy, it would probably be a separate policy. If we were going to say we're going to be um uh investing only in um funds that meet certain parameters that we want to establish, we could do that, but would probably be in a separate policy. Okay. And I would imagine it'd be probably a bigger conversation too because that
013is one piece uh potentially. I mean again I don't know that language was exactly in there but right okay that's helpful. Yeah it's not currently in there but I think what we'll do is we'll table it maybe for the policy committee to consider for next year you know over the over the course of the next year after getting some information from the administration you're suggesting tableing VFA no I'm not suggesting when our came that some of them hadn't been updated and they have to be yearly. So, it's a review of that again. But, um the treasurer was certainly going to come in and do a little bit of a presentation also um because they're very much involved with any of the funds that get invested whether we do it through New Hampshire investment pool or
014wherever. Yeah. Great. Okay. Great. Okay. So, any further discussion on any of these three policies? See none. Ryan, part two, take two. Um, so I will just jump right in. I have 20 minutes. You have the floor. A little longer than I realized I can just talk. So I wanted to talk to you about what I'll be covering tonight. Very quick overview of the year review context. The major focus of that year overarching point is what we call project resilience to what we call exodus everyone leaving on the tech team. I don't know if you know that. Um data governance plan which needs to be presented to you guys every year. And then project federation which working on the year. of how I would like to um have our technology team move forward. So year
015review uh we reassembled the core team that became on in January came on in March and then we finally added Amanda in September. So we now have the team all reassembled. We started um we restarted the monthly meetings. We have two of them once a month with the larger team. We call it team 404. It's kind of joke, but that's that's all the tech people across all the schools at the SAU. So when I refer to team 404, that's what we're we're talking about. And we meet we met today online. Uh the first Monday we meet online and then the third Wednesday we meet um in person and I think I talked about that multiffactor authentication or perhaps two factor authentication depending on whom you heard about it from. This was a big initiative of
016ours this year. Um, and we rolled it out. Uh, each of the individual school teams were responsible for them. We did it with um, phones and also small uni keys that we got. Um, I'm happy to answer any questions about that, but I'll refer back to it when we're talking about breach because this is the biggest thing that we've done to prevent that. We're pretty glad that that went through. I don't want to tempt the gods by talking about it too much, but it's so it's a really important thing. Um, design and marketing the federation was also a big chunk of my year. What we did going around between talking to the individual tech teams, talking to individuals, talking to the leadership Jay and I spent a lot of time on that and then sort
017of we created three master document master inventory, the doomsday and what we're calling categories which is contraction category. So project resilience um three parts disability, sustainability and resilience. And I just broke them up. We can talk about the specifics of this. They all kind of intertwin. So um as I sort of said, we lost 100% of our tech team a year ago, September, a variety of situations. And then there was no tech team until um trying to think when did I get hired December? December 1st. December. Um and then we started rebuilding about that. So, we would strongly like to avoid a text initiative. Um, how do you do that? Right? I mean, we've all had teams that we try. You're trying to keep your teams or people happy and growing. So, um, really investing
018in professional development for them. Really understanding where they want to go in their careers. So, pay more commitment to you to do that helps, right? Um, building teamwide four or four teamwide cohesion and mutual respect. these monthly meetings which are actually getting very very good feedback out of like meeting but we've gotten really starting we're really starting to see people reach across school boundaries to talk to each other to you know I'd like to expand that and we'll talk about that in the project federation and rotating school locations was something that I was felt really strongly about we had a we sent out a little spreadsheet about what do you like for snacks what's here you know so so you could have that So, um, like a lot of people have said, "Oh, worked here
019for years. I've never been to this school." And it really does help with each other kind of going, "Oh my god, this is where you work. This is been great." And people have been really kind of hysterical. The uh stacks have seriously gone up. I don't know what they're like, whoa, okay, I'm fine without doing each other. It's great. And then one of the other things is we have a lot of pieces of software that will be a big theme you know the not sort of spoiler alert that I'm going to be talking to you guys about we need to reduce the amount of software that we support hundreds and hundreds of pieces but one of the one of the side problems of that is that we and they're all on different schedules depending upon
020when you bought them right and if someone is tracking these and they vary wildly from, you know, we have to do that annually or even more monthly for some of them to 10 years, right? Like it's kind of like all of a sudden we've lost our domain because someone was we bought it for five years and all the people had thought we've started to have a structured process which we named the doomsday book and I'll come back to that. Um so uh sustainability again talking about uh inventory what do we actually have there's a little unnerve to find out we don't know I mean there was a wild variety between the schools as to what we like do you have a list like I think so it up to date I doubt it sort of
021like okay let's work on that so um these are talents because this is one of the three major that was indoor um you did copies. So I also have physical copies of my notebook if you if you need that to discuss and that sort of thing. Um as I sort of said my big effort, you know what I'm coming to you tonight, the heart of my presentation to you tonight in addition to providing you all that all the information that you need by law is to sort of say I would really like the board's support um in talking about what we're doing to a sustainable scale. A lot of these pieces of software we call it the coral reef phenomenon. Someone used it five t years ago and we never undid it. That person actually
022stopped using it or one person will have an off kind of really like blue and the main piece of software we're using is red. So like we using it so I think we can we're right now in the process of going from a master list to the inuse list to the vetted list. So, I'm hoping to come back to you with with the numbers, but I'm not sure what that number is. It is a sustainable number. That's the heart of it. None of us really know. Um, but I do know there's some number. I cannot in good faith stand in front of you and say we support 10,000 pieces of software, of course, but you know, is it a thousand or 500? is you know we have we have a list of what we call
023the untouchables which is our major pieces of software you know those sort of used by all of our students come back and really the part of it is you know not the lead is the sort of if we are constantly scrambling to keep this huge mass of software working none of but we don't have the opportunity cost of this hidden is our ability to really really dive into what we think the our schools should be doing from a technology perspective. We can never step back because we're always trying to drain the swamp, right? And sort of go what happens, you know, and there are times when it gets very intense about like AI, we're going to figure that out. But there are also things about you know given that we want to do this given
024our strategic plan is that moving our software in this direction and you know it's time to have them because we are dealing with oh there's another ticket and another ticket and another thing. Um and then we created in addition often people will come back from conferences very excited. called the J little um but it's you get you really revved up at a conference you come back and it's like hey can you can we do this and our the text response for the last three decades has been yeah we can that's what we do we you know we make that happen for you and um it used to be the only the only constraint is money we have the money um sometimes we did sometimes sometimes it's free no problem and then about 10 years ago
025people started starting to worry about privacy and data and then we sort of added that oh I'm getting ahead of myself there's a slide but we've created in order to sort of talk to people and say please come to us with problems not solutions don't say cool software X's house of flash cards you sort of say no I need a program that helps with math that's so we've sort of flipped in a third of our big documents the software categories category documents is like video this is the one we've chosen Maybe they're two, but we don't need eight. You know, we need you to really convince us why we should add a third, let alone, you know, a second, let alone third. So, that's the those categories document. Second category for resiliences. It's resiliency. Um,
026documentation bot we I came in there was no team. I was like, what are we doing? Um, so we've been I've been pretty rigorous and pretty hardcore about, you know, like if you didn't if it's not documented, I don't know that you did it. So, we're trying to do that. We're also trying to have versioning numbers, so dates and versioning numbers. And I get about it. Um and then uh to help with this issue um one of the things that I think may have been a problem is that the core tech team felt just completely overstressed because they were responsible for all of the expertisees and I sort of I used here too as a sort of shorthand beyond just things that anyone that's a capable person could do. It's sort of like how is
027this and you might need to call the company you might need have in-depth discussion about it. You sort of know oh this is the area that it is. Well, one of the things we're talking about you see in the federation, some of the three parts of the federation is to sort of say every one of team 404 is going to now become an expert in whatever they really want to this particular software that particular skills so that we have a really diversified depth that'll help with a lot of other stuff and kind of jumped all around in the slides. um and they'll the PD will focus on that area not exclusively but it's really sort of saying no I'm the person that will pay off that will have other benefits down the road where you'll
028start to have some real bonding and some real respect about this person really knows their stuff so the next one data governance plan um so I think I came to I'm not sure which of the meetings are coming but you were supposed to be presented with this every year I think a lot of years. It wasn't just kind of like it's not changed. You saw last year, thanks go. That's what I at least I was told. I wasn't good for that. A 35page document that was wildly out of date and we weren't in line with it. There were large sections of team 404 that I never heard it existed. So I think I came back to you and sort of said, "Yeah, if you'll let me give me a couple months, I'll come back to
029you with I would revis." And that is what's in your folder now. Much much more shortened. Um it's a we all say this we don't roll eyes living document but it's it's a changing document. I don't mean that changing doc but I wanted it to start with nothing and add in what we really really are doing and we keep adding to that rather than my take on the the older one was that it was great really well designed but it was aspirational like we this is where we want to be but no indication of like we are not there in this area. Um it's based around the uh data governance and security policy EHB which I think three of the four have. I don't think MC has one but they'll be covered underneath it. And
030part B of that talks about five things. Inventory review policies procedures breach response and service providers standards. So topic a inventory you know what do you have in policy? this is what we have and so um the master software list is directly exists for that exact reason talks about who uses it um you know which of the schools this is the one we will use for sort of winnowing as you get down we sort of refer to them as twos and ones like really really do we really you know is someone claiming that so that's a b is review and as I sort of said in the old world we mostly sort of said money and then 10 years ago data We expanded that to eight. And speaking of living documents, as of last Friday,
031this is out of date. So I can talk about how we can modify it. But the key thing to take away here is that there inside of 404, they're very very there are different groupings as to who says what when. A lot of the debate is sort of like, well, let's put this here because at any one of these you could just get a no. And there's no point in doing this one if we get to, you know, but I think not knowing which one of these is going to kick it out. We sort of start here and this is the sort of the requester, the faculty and the integrator. So as you guys um I'm sure know each of the school teams are made up of technicians and um curriculum technology integrators with the
032integrators being both technologists and teachers certified teachers. Um so you start out with cost and budget implications. We just added a new one. One of our integrator sort of said what we need in here. We're going to split that and put in a curriculum match. We haven't come up with the language yet, but let's sort of say and in and in very simplistic tech terms hypothetically language arts you might and this is I'm sure old school but whole language versus phonics they're you know sort of competitive worlds and that sort of thing and if we have decided on B if we've decided on phonics taking a piece of software which is built completely around whole language makes no sense. So we we kick it out at that point. Privacy, terms of service. Then it comes
033to us. We talk about all the cyber safety stuff and we can go into depth about that. And then a lot of what um is starting to cause problems is that each one of these new pieces of software requires and I quote from Marion about it, rostering, and I'll talk a little bit more about it, but it used to be was it up and running on the PC or the Mac and it just ran and that's great now because they've it always has to. And this is sort of what I did early on in my career was build these build these educational products. So there's a serious waste on my own guitar here. But um now they want to every one of them wants to hook into our SIS system and not and all the
034publishers who don't want to have that in house have hired independent third party companies. So it's just getting to be we can't support eight different publishers constantly changing over their connection to our SIS. We can talk about that. Then you get into the federation council. I'll talk about what that is a minute quickly. That's the four integrators and me and we talk about efficacy and unique function across the SU. Like have we do we already have this? Oh, we use this over here. It's pretty good. We like it. That sort of thing. And then the final thing goes back and sort of says, can we commit to doing what we'll need to do inside of our school? And do we actually have the cost and budget? So that's review. The part B of that sort
035of says, you know, are you are you looking into what what you're doing? So policies and procedures. Um, you know, are you making sure that only the people who really should be seeing the parts of this are seeing it? And this comes back to this concept that every one of our big particularly in untouchables the big systems and Theresa and I know this intimately for Tyler about trying the bigger the system the better it is the more granularity that you have for authority which is great but that is a big deal you have to sort of that granularity allows you to build very custom groups and we have dozens of them inside of that either like you're this and you're in that group you have to make sure all the permissions are correct and then
036you have to make sure that the right people are in and out and that happens or we have a big summer project for onboarding inboarding and offboarding making sure that all those get tracked in a way that they have not been tracked before. Um I could have taken a lot of screenshots. I think I have one more at the end about what's breach. Um obviously very big topic and in the news with the power tool issue as I sort of said breach prevention is really important. So that's why our MFA um issue was so big. And given that I have a soap box, I want to give this a little soap box speech that I give to the new employees. anytime I have a microphone which is MFA. I think we all exposed to it
037either through us or through your bank or whoever. If you are ever in a situation where you get an MFA challenge and you are not trying to log in, reach out to us. Reach out to me. I make sure I think you guys all have my cell number. If not, instantly that means the barbarians have your uh email and your password and they're one click away from excuse me from getting in. So if you're, you know, if you're kind of like, oh, and because you're going to see it a lot sometimes when you are logging in every day. So that's my little speech. Right. Can you slow-mo that one? Sure. Like so this is somebody faking a multifactor authentication. This is someone who's who has your stuff, right? So normally if we you know you
038all have you all have multiffactor and you're used to it. You sign on to your bank. You type in your name. You type in your password. And they send a code to your phone. Or maybe you have a key. You put all those things in. It says you are who you are. Great. Let's move forward. You do that this. You do that there. You do that here. Now you're just writing a paper. You have signed up. And suddenly you get an email where your phone buzzes and says your code is 21304. Like I didn't initiate that. Someone else has. And that's defcon one. That's just the most dangerous situation. It's very frust. Well, I won't go into that. So, you're not trying to get into anything, but you get a code. By the way, we
039were at um our quarterly cyber security training on Monday, Monday, last week. And um that's a that's a new thing which is so you all should know, right? Is that if you have a bank or us, but I don't think we're bringing out the link, your bank allows you to reset your own password. Like if you have two 2FA or two MFA, right, and you go and set my password, it's like, are you you? We're going to send you a code. And you're like, great, I get it. Thank you. Let me reset my password. Terrific. All great. However, evil people being smart have sort of figured this out. And they will call you about nothing related to your bank whatsoever. If you if you've advertised a thing for sale on, I don't know, eBay or
040something or you're in the paper for some reason and I want to invest in you, but I want to make sure I'm talking to the right person. Like, okay, that makes sense. Do you really have this span, this car? I want to know. You gave me an address, but I want to just check it because, you know, you could be a scammer. I want to protect myself. The way we do this is I'm going to send you a code that I'm going to ask you to read back to me. Like, okay, I'll do that. They've reached into your bank, guessed your thing, um, you know, guessed your password and figured out. Then they hit the button for a reset. In comes the code. You read it to them. They now have your MFA. They're into
041your bank account. You're not even thinking about that because we're talking about the bike or the car you wanted to sell or just throw that out there as another kind of like anytime. Yes. This is a statement about my inadequacy. I I know you've given us your phone number. I know I've written it down. I saw it on the stuff here, but I would really love a sticker with your cell phone number so I can put it right here. So if something happens, I'm not going I'm not going where did I write that down. Pass it along to the other. Okay. Okay. So that's prevention. Mr. Yuck. Right? But what happens if we have a right? So that we've divided it into two flavors. One of which is the massive breach where you have the
042ransomware and they've reached our entire world and all the schools are dead in the water because all of it is locked up. One of the other prevention things we've done and Marian started a long time ago is we've been trying to move more and more of our stuff into the cloud rather than having local servers because we just don't have the expertise locally to protect that. Florida is power tooling theory or he does but they you know they also can have larger teams so so we've done that for better you know I think that's it is better um but assume a large breach happens we now have um a cyber security incident response plan um put together with a massive help um from primex I'm sure right they came up with a tabletop exercise that
043has a format and um we build it all out it's um it's in your folders it's in that book that is the that's confidential massively, you know, because it has all of your cells. It has what we do, who we call, when we call them, why. Um, so that's that's the X um um breach for NASA, which god forbid. Um, we also have little individual local breaches, right? I mean, people Yeah. fish. We again in the prevention category, we've had uh we've been sending out fake fishing things from me and my team sort of saying ah no it was us but if it happened you know um but so and the the interesting thing I guess should be said on public record I can put it in the account but um one thing that's funny
044about that is if we stop paying for that if we don't do it actually because at one of my previous jobs we um we did And then we couldn't afford it anymore. So I stopped it. But for years later, two or three years later, people would contact me and said, "Ah, I caught you. You didn't get me with that one." It's like it was a real one. I'll try harder next time, but you keep doing that. You know, so we've reduced it down to a Google form. So what happens and I hope we've been trying to tell people, please do not be embarrassed. We all have. Please tell us. And anything you guys can do to reinforce that, we're not evil. There will be no public shaming. But if we don't hear about it, instantly
045things get worse fast. Um so we have we sort of say go to your local person, go to your tech, go to your integrator. Um they will contact they will fill out this Google form for us. They'll contact us and we will step um step through these series of steps, take care of your account, log you out of things, check, you know, so there's a process here. So that is the um that's the two kinds of breaches and how we're currently responding. And then breach recovery we've um everyone all the schools chipped in and we are now have a backup of by status and this is an immutable backup um you know air gaps but untouched they can't go after this. So in theory this is a nightly backup of our all our critical um
046stuff. Um very important to stress we are only backing up your share you know your personal drive and your shared drive. Don't hold things on your computers. um just hammer that into new employees and current staff and it's like put it in the approval world. That's what we're backing up. Um and then as we outsource more and more of our student information system or LMS's those um those are also supposedly backed up by the um so the last category is service provider standards and um we may actually be moving where this is located but the idea here is do all your service or all the people we are with are they doing all the data stuff that you should meet so that centers around DPAs data privacy agreements data privacy It's but the idea is
047that they sign a DPA sort of say we will be as you know we'll we'll be tough too and at that point we don't have to get parent permission for you know sharing sharing that data and that sort of thing. Um that's we're kind of you know driving through ideally you know we're sort of trying to get a sense of it in terms of but we also don't want to do some deep dives because it can take hours to do per piece of software on ones that we're not using. So we're waiting to compress and flush down to the inuse list. That um is the last of the data governance plans. We can talk about specifics and questions and answer some here and some there. Yeah. So, just as a reminder um keep your questions
048for this portion, things that would not be considered a security breach or possibly um something that would get us in trouble because we will have Bryant in our non-public to answer more specific things um after this. But go De. So, I have a couple questions in one place. I I don't think this is a bridge. It's talking about meeting or exceeding the standards of the department, the New Hampshire Department of Education. How competent are they with these standards? Well, I mean, um I read them. I read them today. Um they're in a tricky position, right? Because this is rolling forward so fast. If they were to sort of say you must put it on three and a half inch floppies for being secure, right? you're like, you know, it's sort of so they're trying to
049sort of the language to me seemed very much a kind of we I don't want to tell you specifically what to do, but make sure you are protecting this in some way that you can protect it. But it's a I guess I just wonder whether the people they employ are competent. And I don't know that you would know the answer to that, but it it's sort of setting a level of expectation. And I wonder if it's a weak level or maybe one um we go beyond what they asked for. Okay. So it kind of like I hope I'm not dodging your questioning. I don't want to speak ill of Yeah. But it's sort of I think it's it's kind of the funny way that um it's I've seen faculty respond to why don't we have
050AP classes? I was like well we kind of do better you know we tend to you know we we teach above that level and so that would be a step down. I think that's certainly the hope but it's a it's a very legit question. Wrong answer for me. Yeah. Know that as a former AP English teacher. Um I have a second question. you wouldn't know that. Um, I would personally really value taking a fishing training session beyond the quick little thing you just did with us. I think that that would be helpful for us as board members, especially because I think we all use our personal laptops for schoolboard meetings and I know at one time you talked about that. Not what should save that for now. Okay. Okay. So, happy to talk about it.
051Okay. Table that question. But the fishing train injections would be good, right? Okay. Okay. Um, can't have enough of that. So, happy to talk about it and in all of its horrible flavors. Okay, Ben. Um, all one and nonpublic as well, but want to have that's public facing would be the 800 plus software packages that we have right now. And while I fully agree that standardization, reduction, justification is is key and we should definitely do it. just sort of urging that we do that fairly slowly in the sense of just because we at this level don't see a need for it or the principles don't see a need for it doesn't mean someone's actively using it for some key function. So just before anything is is cut off to really make sure we talk to
052the person who's ostensively in charge of it to make sure it's a true process. We went through this recently and my personal job and it wre havoc when the behind the scenes tech people cut off folks were like wow that was a business defined function that everyone needed for everything and but just because no one told the tech people that right and then y so we just take out um so yeah that's why we're doing it at the technician and educator level and so they will talk to each individual faculty member Okay, that's you know what right now in the process how we're building the list is for those teams to be talking to every faculty member and say what do you use and just to get that first list and then we'll go back
053and sort of say do you use it a lot do you use it you know we have these four other things that do that did you know that could you move to this could you you know if we are and we're talking about possibly outsourcing evaluation of the privacy agreements and the standards and the terms of the service um to a service that will allow us depending on how much we pay three custom evaluations or 10. So there's kind of like I'm still waiting on my answer as to whether we can pay for more of those, but is that enough for to move on? Ben, um yeah, I'll just add that I received a request someone who my comment from one of the board members who's listening virtually. Okay, I'll just reiterate that I guess.
054But yeah, sorry. So, I hate to do this, right? But I want to remind board members, right, that individually we cannot direct administration to do something. And I don't disagree with your point, but the way that we influence this process here is not by telling Bryant that Ben wants you to not shut off any software that's currently being used. It's to bring it up for discussion amongst the board members and have a vote on a motion or direct Jay to do something in that manner. But having Ben tell Bryant not to turn off a particular piece of software is exceeding a board member's role in authority here. And I I hate to bring it up in this discussion and I don't disagree with your point. I disagree with the process that was Did I tell
055Bryant to do something or not do something? That's how I interpreted it. And it wasn't and it wasn't until Bryant came back to you and said, "I want to make sure that I, you know, I I addressed your point, Beth." Yeah. Right. And I just want to I want the body to be careful, right, that we're operating within our authority as a board. Thank you for that reminder, Kelly. I know I came in partway through. I'm really sorry. Um, kids stuff, but um I'm curious why why 13 plus is that? And did you already say that? I'm just digging through it. It seems like there's a lot of things that say 13 plus and I hope that's that talking about process. Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's a lot of the a lot of the law
056is based around that as I understand it and also a lot of therefore a lot of companies have sort of said that's where you know you're not allowed to use 13 because once you step there you trigger a whole bunch of stuff. So they're like no no it says in our policy you have to be 13. This is a fascinating age. Okay. Thank you. When do you become mature? Yeah. Okay. 25 plus comparative 13. Any other comments or questions for this portion including our board members who are online which I believe are Michael and Gina because we will have an opportunity in nonpublic too to be a little more you're good Michael. Okay, great. Thank you so much. Oh, you got more. Oh yeah, we got the next one. We um fast. We're gonna have
057to talk fast. All right. So, project federation um is uh we needed it because we had minimal coordination between schools. There are a whole bunch of reasons. I can go over them in length at some other time, but there were a whole bunch of reasons of things that were not working as optimally as they could. So, I sort of said to Jay has always sort of felt that the the technicians should report into the central office. I said, can you give me a year to sort of understand what's unique about the situation? Things like those SA schools, you know, expect a lot of autonomy. They also tend to run around disagreeable decisions that they're having to so you know day training. So that was all that stuff. So we sort of said what is it?
058It's about an essay you focus from K12 across all of the teams. One of the things is that except for the high school all of the technicians reporting to principles. I talk extensively with all the principles. They're like I love them. My my whole team the school loves them. I have no idea what they do. That's not true. I tease them about that. Obviously they know. But that they don't they don't have technical background. They're fabulous with training and mentoring teachers, but they don't have technical background. Um I do or people that you would hire for the position do and the individual expertise that we've talked about. So the key parts of it, there are three key parts. One of which is the federation council which will now make decisions about technology. So there's complete
059buy in. Be blunt. There's been tendencies in other um SAUs that I've worked in for like yeah the tech guy says that but this is what we're doing right but now with that finding of the federation council you're making the commitment to all of your fellow integrators as well as this position um stand up this is what we were talking about that um it's once a week we get together and we pull three tri projects that one each one of us is going to do it's been very very successful our inner core team I'd like to expand Because often technicians are running like scalded cats just answering tickets and at the end of the year like when did I get done but with those three to talk about it there's no it's not like you
060didn't make it it's not a me took a while to to build that trust with the inner team like no this isn't about getting right so the big thing is that the text would now report to director of education technology me in the position but we're also going to introduce matrix reporting so you'll also when I'm doing their review I pull in the integrator who works with them every day and ask what would you think how are they working those people um similarly I will be pulled into the integrators meeting with their principal and then we're leaving people embedded in the schools they're not moving into our office they are still there so um when it's going to happen July one stood up I mean it's working now we called the committee the curriculum committee
061we're going to have a unified standup we'll start the tier 2 work and then the MCS technical teams will report to me um July first this year and then HHS will do it next year. So minimal disruption, larger vision, better team environment, maximum insight into specifically what's happening in schools because better communication, a clearer sense of budget realities and a more robust for people transitions. So summarizing the evening, I pulled this quote from Mary and I will send it to all of you. I won't take time to read it now, but it really sort of sums it up well. This she actually wrote this for another client. I happened to see it. I'm like, I'm stealing this, Marion, you know, but it's essentially sort of saying the world has changed and we need to change
062to respond to it. Um, I just pulled up this example I was talking to you about um that these are very complex systems. So, this happens to be our phone system that has seven menus with 36 items. You choose one of them, you get seven more tabs. You choose one of them, you get six more tabs. And then you choose one of those tabs and you have uh 26 options underneath it. When you do all that math, we're talking about couple hundred thousand items that we have to remember where they are. We don't know like we know 1% of them. We figure it out, but it's kind of like it's Manhattan knowing where every apartment is. Now you know your favorite restaurants. Let's stop and don't turn it into um final summary. So project resilience
063sustainability project collaboration is cooperation integration across the teams and no is a complete sentence when it's in the service of a larger and better yes I'm trying to get us to that those opportunity costs that I feel like we're missing I'm going to start us off um just a point of clarification about the the federation council I think you were calling it um it's the integration specialists and you correct five people so and so one from each school so the high school still included in that council even though they're being rolled in a year later. The technicians are reporting to me a year later. They're doing all three of the key things which is council, standup, and guru status which is the tier two. Okay. But just the reporting status won't change for a year.
064Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Thank you so much, Brent. Really appreciate your time on this and coming here tonight. Um and thank you for sticking around for the non-public. Okay, great. Um, moving on to our next item requiring discussion. It's the board retreat. Um, Ryan very graciously attached a draft agenda um to our agenda for tonight. If anyone has any additions or questions, um, we can quickly discuss it now or you can just send it to one of the four chairs and we can make changes between now and the retreat which is Saturday, which is wow, it's Saturday even. So, we'll see each other again in five days. Um, but just wanted to make sure people had a chance to look at it. Um, and if you have any comments or questions right now,
065that would be great. Kelly, do that. And our advance work probably needs to get out like like by Wednesday at the latest. Yeah. Or Yeah. Okay. Yep. I think we were sort of waiting to make sure that people didn't have anything else to add. Any online people? Sorry, Ben. I lost you. Yes. All right, Gina, go ahead. Um, hi. I was going to I'm happy to help, but I also realized that the 10th is 5 days from now. So, I'm at an offsite right now. Um, but if the four chairs wanted to let me know if there's anything I can do to help with the pre-work, let me know. But if you don't need my help, I don't need to help either. That's all. Thank you, Gina. Okay, your offer is received and we will
066let we will let you know. Okay, seeing no further comments on this, I really appreciate all the people that have put time and thought into the retreat. It really is important. Um, so thank you so much and thank you in advance for everybody giving up this Saturday morning um to me. Okay. Uh, next business requiring action. We have a consent agenda. May I have someone make a motion, please? I move to approve items B, C, D, E, F, and G by consent. A second. Thank you, De. So that was Rene for the noteaker. That was Renee who made the motion and Deb with a second and we have to go around because we have people online. Let's start with Tara. Russell, yes. Nelson, yes. Yes. Yes. M. Yes. Yes. Yes. Gina yes Michael Pasta yes
067and Christy yes thank you everyone um report of the chair I will make a quick um just want to thank everybody in advance for their time on Saturday want to say a special thank you to all the students staff teachers principles and administrators who are in the schools right now I know the next six weeks weeks are hectic and crazy and intense and they go by so quickly. So, um, thank you as all the field trips happen and all the special end of the year banquetss happen and all the sporting events that got rained out have to happen all in the same day. Um, and etc. So, it's fast and furious and we know that everyone's working really hard. So, just wanted to say thank you for that. Um, and that's it for me. Any
068committee reports? We'll have spec and non-public policy just did theirs. We have a meeting tomorrow. Policy has a meeting tomorrow. There was going to be an update for new board members. Sorry. Um yes, Carrie. Yeah. Um there's going to be an update for new board members. The four chairs were going to meet to talk about committees because and I haven't seen an update. share that on Saturday like four meetings. Carrie no, we heard you. We we we did we did meet we made a few changes based upon the addition of Renee and we'll share those that'll be part actually if we can remember just to attach that to Saturday's agenda and then we'll be great. Thank you. Thank you for that reminder. But you missed so far. Well, if you missed something that's our fault,
069not yours. So, yeah. No, I saw it. Assistant Superintendent Robin, I submitted my report and I'm happy to answer any questions you might have. I think Kelly, you might have had one about brands. I feel like Robin was an English teacher and she's like, I wrote it down and if you didn't read it, go ahead, Kelly. I I had asked both Teresa and Robin if if we could have just I know you've done it before, but just an update again on what our exposure is on those federal grants. Yes. And as a percentage of our overall budget, just understanding that and I can talk to you about the grants overall for handover our title one grants. It's about $30,000 and then an additional $52,000 for SRSA which is another federal grant that we receive. So
070it's approximately $82,000 that we're receiving. Dresden is $60,000 for our title grants. Um we do not receive SRSA for Dresden. Norwich, we receive about $37,000 in title grants. We only receive about 4,100 for SRSA. And then IDA is our other very large federal grant that we received. And that'sund about $120,000 for Hanover, $185 for Dresden, and 194 for Norwich. That was for this year. And those have fluctuated. the title grants have left quite a bit each year up and down. So I heard today that they're thinking that our title one grant will stay the same but as you know we didn't receive any title grant funding for Norwich this year. Um so and that's you know a really small amount of our budgets overall and they're saying that it's not looking promising for But you
071know it's not looking great. If that might be if we could have a quick update then maybe on Saturday just about that if you have information to share similar to what I heard from New Hampshire today honestly. Okay. Any other questions for Robin? Thank you. And thank you for staying for non-public as well. No problem. It's a really good segue. A really good segue into you. Kelly teed that up quite well, Jay. All right. Thank you. Um, this evening I'd like to use my report to give a legal update that has to do with federal programs. So, um, it's it's my understanding there's there's an open letter that's been circulating that questions the participation of our school district in in a lawsuit filed by the ACLU in opposition to a dear colleague letter from the
072US Department of Education about our federal programs that ordered school districts in each state to individually certify compliance with title six, a federal anti-discrimination law. The letter and the subsequent certification forms u made reference to illegal diversity, equity, and inclusion policies and programs, but didn't further define them. So, to the question that our our uh member of the public who spoke earlier this evening asked, we don't have a definition for illegal DEI programs. And yet, we as a district have things like our equity policy. Um, we have made commitments in our strategic plan um and in our our portrait of a learner about uh about inclusion and diversity and equity. And so we don't know which if any of those programs are legal or illegal as referenced in that dear colleague letter or in the
073certification form. And so that's why we've decided that's why we as a board decided to join this lawsuit because we don't know whe from from their guidance or lack of guidance whether we're on the right side or wrong side of title six. We believe that we are absolutely complying with anti-discrimination laws but those laws are sort of being um trying to think of a nice way to put this being sort of turned upside down in a way reinterpreted. Yes, they're definitely being reinterpreted. Uh so because school districts receive federal funds through a number of targeted programs that Robin just enumerated, the letter asserted that any failure to comply could jeopardize the funding. the ACLU on behalf of several PL plaintiffs, among them the National Education Association along with several districts in New Hampshire. Um we
074we've initially sought an injunction to contravene the dear colleague letter and the certification which was granted in federal court on April 24th. U and and again that that ruling is available on the website under the superintendent's corner. Some members of our community circulated a letter on Facebook that contains some misinformation that warrants correction. So, first I'd like to disagree with the letter's notion that the board's action was inadequately transparent. While our school board members did receive legal advice in a non-public session, they reconvened in public session and voted on a motion to join the ACLU's lawsuit and directed me to do all things necessary to facilitate that participation. New Hampshire opening law permits the board to meet in non-public session for the consideration of legal advice. In that session, the board received a briefing from
075ACLU attorney Gil Binette regarding the lawsuit. And then following that briefing, the board returned to public session and made the motion to participate, which passed. Since then, I provided two updates by email, including uh sharing a press release that that was um put together by the ACLU. um shared that with our school community, which is all of our staff and parents. And then we immediately posted those messages on our district website, and I've included a link in in this written report so anyone who who wishes can can see um all of the information that we posted. Um most recently, and I don't believe this is even on the website yet, the court approved the ACL's motion, the ACLU's motion to add the five school districts, including ours, as plaintiffs. So when the original injunction was
076passed, the the motion had been filed, but the court hadn't had a chance to rule on our participation, but we are now named plaintiffs. Um, another item from the letter that was incorrect was a description of the legal action as a suit against the New Hampshire Department of Education. The suit, just to be clear, is against the US Department of Education. Uh, and Linda McMahon particularly in her role as Secretary of of Education. Um, finally, the letter questions the appropriateness of using district funds for legal fees associated with our participation in this suit. And the fact is that the ACLU is not charging us any fees for representing our districts in this matter, nor are they charging any of the other districts that are involved. So, um, that's my report. Happy to answer any questions
077that anyone has that I'm able to do in public. Any questions for Jay on his report? Yeah, Renee. Um I I don't do all the legal stuff. So um it it seemed like it's important that we were named as plaintiffs like what was the impact without us being named versus us being named? Um in terms of it strengthens their suit. So, so in terms of without going too deep into this in matters that would be, I guess, privileged, um, anytime you file a suit, there's a question of standing. And there were a couple of organizations, the NEA, and there's another another group that was an association of of America of African-American educators. Um, and having actual school districts themselves named in the suit certainly made the case stronger. So that's why school districts were approached
078to see if they'd be willing to join. Okay. And it but it doesn't. So I'm just thinking about like the public comment being like it seemed like things might have been happening without us there because we are there if we were named or not. this would like the outcome would be the same for us or is it important that we're named so that we are getting the outcome that is I think it's I think it's fair to say publicly that the suit's stronger if people that are actually facing the greatest harm are involved in the suit any other questions or comments Tara thank you for sending the link to the injunction that was actually a really fun reading Yeah. Yes. McCaffrey did a really thorough job. Any Yeah. Kelly, just like a legal clarification and
079maybe you can answer this. Maybe none of our more lawyerly knowledgeable people can answer it, but I mean my understanding is that we anyone can bring a lawsuit without a a risk of retaliation for bringing a lawsuit. You win the lawsuit or you lose the lawsuit, right? So, I mean, I think, you know, I know the open letter expressed concern about um potential um negative outcomes for bringing a lawsuit, but my understanding is the a lawsuit, bringing a lawsuit should not risk retaliation because that is our right as American citizens to bring a lawsuit, right? Is that a fairation of a lawsuit? I theoretically I% agree with seeing that as but as a consumer of news watching what's happening to some pretty prominent law firms is a little and I will go further say my
080understanding is that that in fact you know the risk is more not signing the letter that asked us to sign a letter and that's why we have the injunction and and we're following that process right but filing a lawsuit in and of itself should not risk retaliation I also just want to had one thing to report which you may have said and I missed it. Um the district's lawyer was also in the non-public session. So it wasn't just the ACLU lawyer. We also got we also heard from from the lawyer who represents our district's interests. So um just if that helps members of the public feel better about what what we were discussing. Yes, Tara. I just wanted to contextualize this whether or not we joined the lawsuit. It's my understanding that we needed legal
081consultation because we needed to respond appropriately to some requirements which were being mandated of us which we didn't fully understand the ramification of. So that legal bill or that outlay would have happened whether we joined the case or not in case anyone is we were being asked to sign something we didn't understand. Yes. And so hence we agreed we we were asking for this part of this lawsuit is asking for clarification. So yeah. Okay. Any public? Thank you Jay. Really appreciate it. And again um just the techn the technicalities of our four school board system. This lawsuit is technically not under this board but it is being managed by Jay who is managed by this particular board. Um, so I might suggest that you do this report for all four boards this month just to
082get it on the record in all four places. Yeah. Jay, and just one other thing just so the board's aware, I did receive a request which wasn't wasn't worded as a formal right to know request, but I've been asked um for a copy of our our retainer documentation with the ACLU, and I have consulted with the attorney to see if that's something I can release publicly. If I can, I will be releasing the the retainer agreement. Thank you. Sure. And thank you for the extra work. This is might be possible. So yeah. Okay. That said, we are up for our business administrator. I've uploaded the documents for our financials for your date on SAU7. Yeah. I can see here um we do not yet have a full audited report for SAU for FY24 that is
083supposed to be coming that we keep getting but that and Dresden both were waiting on those because believe it or not legal letters were not signed even by some of the lawyers that they were sent to. So they wouldn't give us they don't want to give us the documents until we have those and everything else. But um today when I spoke to Tyler at Plazic um he said the SAU was pretty much all set. He's got everything that he needs. So I should be getting those documents, but all I have right now is I'll call it an audited number for FY24 ending fund balance of 100,856. I got to do it back on. Um so with that and until I get the actual audited report the final report um that number should not change but
084it's always um till we get the report like I said I don't ever feel like that's a solid number the final number I should say. Um, currently right now so far this year, our budget revenues, you know, and our budget was [Music] 2,488,799. Year to date, our revenues are 2,288 613 and I anticipate probably another $200 in interest. Other than that, we've received all the assessments. Um, so we'll be up maybe about $1,500 there. As far as expenditures, we already knew throughout the year how we've been talking and Jamie's been talking about um the expenditures related to the um benefits for the SAU employees. With those benefits, the changes in insurance costs that were budgeted, changes in plans, and everything else. That put us about $70,000. again. Take them off. Take them off. $78,000. Um
085over budget on that particular line item. Um the other line item with the purchase technology and stuff, 21,000 in there is also the $50,000 that was set aside um for future capital improvement plan. um we're calling it cap or um so that's in there too. So overall with that budget of 2,488799 um we are looking at being overbudget the expenditures by 83,914. So netting those two in the 1500 mile we will it'll be a deficit of 82,000 and with our fund trans our fund balance of 100,000 we look like we may end around $18,000 for this particular year on lighten um we can move to questions and see if that okay any questions Ben and NJ so Teresa what I mean in your opinion what happened to the interlocal trust well what what truly happened
086um and it's public knowledge so I didn't you know I didn't put anything in the little newsletter that right wasn't um that that shouldn't be. But really for the most part what was explained to us is that the claims and not just us but many schools the claims were so ex so exceeded far exceeded what we paid in premiums. So they let us know come on feel like it's almost two months ago now already but that they weren't going to be able to meet our needs and we were going to have to pay 65% increase on the premiums. It's not something we could sustain. So we were going to be looking anyhow at different plans available and what's what's out there and stuff. But then um one of the last meetings I went to for
087NASBO um one of the members he let me know then he goes it's dissolving. He said we can't sustain it all. So we're shutting the organization down. So regardless, anybody with them has to find another agent, another insurance company, which working with Amy HR, um she's done a lot of research and put a lot of information together. Um we had a meeting Jay and um I think Jamie attended one last week when I was gone. Um we believe we found the best plan that we can and the best um at this point. Amy and I this morning, you know, we're communicating. She's been sending out notices to the employees too and everything else. The ones that are involved so that they know what's going on at all times and uh but we have some meetings
088to meet because one groups involved is the service staff, you know, rest is all non-union, but um but our talks this morning went well. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions from the board? ask one question. So, does that have implications then for a negotiated settlement? Is there a contractual item here that we would need to get together? I can help a little bit with that. So, excuse me. So far, no. Um, but we are we are informing the union so that they can decide whether or not they're going to have a problem with us making this shift. We're making every effort to keep employees whole. And that was one of the guidance that I gave to Amy when she was doing the research. And then when we we discussed how this was going to
089work, it was 65% increase we were looking at. And um and then they went bankrupt. So it's it's pretty unprecedented. So we're scrambling. We got a company called Netco New England. I can't remember what the rest of it stands for. Who's at least forget the acronym, right? and they're at least going to let us um hang on to Harvard Pilgrim, our our current insurance carrier so that there won't be a huge change for our employees in terms of service providers and that sort of thing. But we will be going to there will be no choice in plans. It'll only be one plan. It's a much higher deductible plan, but the outer pocket for our our people will hopefully be balanced by an HR and an HSA. So, it's it's complicated and um but so far
090I think we're okay with the union, but we'll find out if they come back to us and say there aren't a lot of options. So, we got quotes from school care, which is what all the rest of our unions are are on. And it was going to be a 65% increase. Yeah. Be a huge increase even with them. Right. Health Trust, which is the only other solvent trust that's out there. Um they're still we're it's a couple weeks still before they're going to have any sort of statement for people about what they are going to be offering. And we didn't even feel confident that um they're going to be stable enough to to take the chance and and moving to health trust because they're all they're all doing the same thing. they're all basing the
091um the rates on the claims that are submitted and stuff like that where NECO is actually doing it not on those factors but actually basing it on like age groups. So it's a better better way to go and everything else and then we get a year past the the higher claims possibly we can probably renegotiate some more if need be. Yeah. If we do end up if the union comes back to us and says that they want to negotiate this then I'll come back to the board. We're we're up against I mean we've got to do um people need to make their benefits decisions you know in pretty short order. So right now as of I didn't know how much I could say but right now as of this morning um like I said the
092conversations that we had with one of the union leaders um was very very positive. We were just kind of like shocked how and they're very open to just doing anou. Yeah, that's that's what I've learned is we may not need to renegotiate anything, but we may need to do a sidebar anou what was originally contractually agreed to as not no longer available and we'll keep that as that unfolds. Very specific in their contract about the plans. We just thought for later on. Any other questions for Teresa other than to say thank you? I know um not having Jamie around, it's going to be an adjustment, but thank you so much. Really appreciate it. Next, we do have a need for a nonpublic session. Um, may I have a motion to move us into non-public, please?
093Go Carrie. I move to enter into nonpublic session at 7:20 p.m. under RSA 91-83 23 and I and may I have a second, please? Okay, so that was Carrie Reddit. Um, seconded by Deb and let's start with Neil Odell. Michael and Christy. Yes. And Michael, one of us will call you from inside the cold room. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. again. Thank you. Thank you, Jam for that very long interlude. Um, hi everybody. Thank you. Welcome back to the public session. That was a long non-public. Um, so we are back. At this in time, any public may address the board. Okay, seeing none, um agenda topics for the next meeting, we already sort of discussed it. The um next meeting is Saturday for the board retreat. The agenda was shared. If you have any input,
094please send it to one of the board chairs quickly. Um we do have some advanced work to do which we'll hopefully ask Ryan to get out tomorrow would be great if possible. If not by Wednesday at the latest. So, be looking for something by Wednesday at the latest to do in advance for Saturday. Um, and with that said, thank you all for being here. Um, may I have a motion to adjourn the meeting? Garrett should because he's standing up. He's ready to go. I move to adjourn the meeting at 9:17 p.m. Garrett, are you going to second it? I second. Okay. All in favor? Terra Russell Nelson. Yes. Yes. Sivan, yes. Michael, yes. And Christie, yes. Thank you all again. We meet again on Saturday, May 10th. See you there. and