001order at 6 pm. Um, so I think we're going to take the agenda slightly out of order and start with our non-public session. Um, and this is in accordance to chapter 91A uh 20 C. Is that right? C. Okay. So, it is we're going into non-public at 601 roll. >> Yes, we need to roll call. So, all in favor? >> I don't think I heard a second. >> Oh, all in second. May I make >> second a motion to go into non-public? >> Thank you. All in favor? >> I I >> I >> going in. And [clears throat] did I hear an I from you, Patrick? Hi, Patrick. Patrick is joining us on Zoom. We're going into non-public. We just took a roll. >> Sounds good. >> All right. Um, great. So, um, we're going
002to go ahead and open up public input for RSA and we'll start the clock. We have 30 minutes. I don't see anyone here from the public, but it should someone come and join us, we'll um we'll take individual comments at that time. All right. So, moving on um to our FY uh 27 draft budget review. We have the packets. Did someone want to start or you want us to just >> Molly? Sure. >> Molly. Great. Thanks, Molly. >> All right. So, we sent you a draft budget packet. So, I'm just going to walk through the first few pages. Um the very first page is a highle summary. So if you remember every years in the past we've separated out food service and general fund. The reason why we do that is if you end your
003food service in a positive fund balance it's not given back in the tax rate. So they are two separate funds but they both make up your what we call your operating budget. And so we did detail that out separately. And then in all of the meetings that we've had as a joint board and every meeting here, we talk about how we're now going to appropriate the grants as part of the budget. So what I did is I put that number in here. So if you remember when we appropriate the grants, we used to do $4 million in the same year. Um some grants were already in the co-op. That's why it was $4 million in that same year. We did scale that back to 3.5 million total because we are seeing a decreased number of
004grants. If we looked at actuals last year, we spent more along that 2.7.8 million in actual expenditures, but we didn't want to limit ourselves because hopefully we'll get more grant money. So, we did take the 3.5 and spread it a pro proportionally as to how people were spending it to for the appropriation. So, this year in article one, it's going to be your food service, your general fund, and the grants all added up together. That's how you get to that $28. Mhm. >> Okay. The second page that just shows your grant and I I specifically say grant expense equals grant revenue. So that no money is raised in taxation. When your revenue equals expense, nothing is raised in the tax. Okay. Then the third page, these are the changes since the last meeting. So the
005last meeting I was scared um but the last meeting we brought a board in the board pack there was a budget increase of 1.193 million. We did make some changes [cough] related [clears throat] to salary and then FICA and retirement and health that goes along with those salary line items. Um and then crossing guard. So, as we were doing the cooperative budget, it was brought to my attention that the crossing guards have always been part of the co-op budget when they should have been part of this budget. So, it was moved to the current budget. So, all of those changes changed to our budget. Those were the only changes that were made since the last and then we updated the major changes. So this is the exact same slide that you guys saw last time
006just with the updated. Okay. And then we have your line by line budget which is several several pages. And then at the back is your default. So because exit elementary it's called what's an SB2 meaning you go to the ballot to vote. The voters choose between the proposed budget and the default budget. Your default budget is the current year budget. So the 25 26 year budget plus or minus any mandatory expenses required by law. So things like special education. Um and it's also things that have been put on the ballot. So if there's an active CDA, so teachers or parents >> teachers. >> Okay. So then the pairs have an active CBA right now. So meaning they will still get the increases in the default budget and it's because that specific contract was put on
007a warrant. So things like first student well we have a contract with first student those increases cannot be included in the default because it was not an individual contract put on the warrant for the voters to. Okay. So most things related to special education are required by law. also would be included in your default and your proposed any new positions which we don't have any would not be included in the default but would be included in the proposed however on the flip side any decreases in positions have to be included in okay um so a lot of the differences you're going to see are mainly related to supplies uh you will see some um any non-union salaries those would be a difference between the proposed and the default um and anything that is not mandatory
008or required. So the big the big difference in the default is grants. So in conversation with our attorney Gordon Graham, we talked about how to get the grants into the correct budget. And so his guidance was that we could use the FY25 actual grant spend as the default. So we're not going from like zero to 100 in the grants, but we we could argue that the FY25 actual spend would be the basis of the default. So what you see here, this difference is the FY25 actual spend versus the FY27 proposed. >> Okay. Um so those are all of the items in your board pack. Um, and I know all of us can answer some questions. >> This is super helpful. Thank you. Um, I'm just They're not uh Well, this is not an I was
009just I we're often talking about the increases, but I just wanted to check in on the decreases. Um, so I'm looking at the comparison budget between the proposed and default, the last page, and just the technology line. Well, those two sort of the regular education technology and then there's a nominal amount around DEIG. But I was just curious if you could just sort of >> all of these numbers would have to be what was budgeted this year. >> So the default the basis of your default is the current year budget meaning right have these decreases >> right? >> It's meaning that um we budgeted more in the current year than we're budgeting in the proposed. >> No I Yeah, I understand that. Yeah. Are we not right? I just was curious if there's anything >>
010Yeah. sort of why are we bringing those line items down? That's what I'm saying. From the default to the >> to the proposed I'm not I'm just curious what's behind the reduction. >> Um from my recollection with regards to the DEI J line, um that is a the reduction is reflection of statements. Um example um at Oregon Street, if I'm remembering this correctly, we had $3,000 as a statement, which was for the SA TPI or equity team equity. Um and initially, my understanding was the thought was I was a representative on that committee and so I was getting one of these statements and then we had a staff member that was also on that um came out kind of towards the end which was not a big deal to me at all about that. I'm
011not eligible for that stipen. So that stipen mine just got cut. >> Okay. >> There was, you know, I'm part of the committee, but that's part of my professional responsibility. >> So I think that the 1500 might be reflected in both schools. >> Okay. >> Oh, is that not on the whole >> There we go. [laughter] Um and then with regards to technology, um again we we in looking back at the prior year at 325,000. I know that we had a very large Chromebook expenditure. I also know that we had some infrastructure that needed to be replaced and updated and that work was more of like a one-time expense. So, I think that is what you're looking at as far as the reduction because we had a couple of one-time expenses just to kind of
012bring the building up to speed of where it needs to be. >> Okay, >> that's helpful. Thanks. >> Yeah, >> I have a question. >> Yep. Patrick has a question. Can we Is there a way to maybe maybe I'll hold a mic up to you, Patrick, because you're very Go ahead. Try now. >> Make sure you hold it right up to my mouth. So yeah. [laughter] >> Um I think my question, Molly, is just I heard what you said about what Gordon Graham recommended with the grants, but honestly that really doesn't make any sense to me because I don't I just don't understand it at all. I mean, we have one we we have budgeted 1 million887,000 dollars for grants and the default I I don't understand how that's the default. I mean, I heard
013what you said that that's what we spent >> in 25. But is that what is that the way grants have been working in the past with default budgets that they default to the prior year's amount that somehow you don't get that the grant funding I I just don't understand that whole concept. >> So the grants actually never had a default budget before. So the grants were always in the SAU budget which does not have a default because when we vote on the SAU budget we go into that room and we don't leave until we have a budget. There is no default. So, >> this has never been a consideration in our budget before is what you're saying, right? The the grant line that's on here that has it the default of 800 of using the
014fiscal year 25 number, that's never been in our budget before to affect the default number. >> That's that's correct. It has not been in our budget before. And the reason why is many years before I joined the office, it was the decision was made to house all the grants in the SAU. So when we appropriated that $4 million in the SAU, it was appropriated to the SAU level. It was not appropriate to the exit school district. It was not appropriate to the Kensington School District. It was not appropriate to the Stratam school district. >> It was one giant. >> Yeah. So it was one giant number. So I didn't have a number that I could easily say this now goes to exit by making this correction. And this now goes to exit because the way
015the appropriation happened before it was not at the individual district level. So in conversation with attorney Gordon Graham, we talked about saying, "Okay, well, we always appropriated the $4 million. Now let's parse that out with in like and we kind of went around in circles." And we didn't actually expend the $4 million because we got less grant money that year. And so we agreed upon the actual 25 expenditures being the basis of the default. >> Yeah. I just I mean I'll just tell you the impact that I'm looking at here that I think this is not a positive for school districts for our school district because it it makes it I think falsely appear that we're um raising that that our budget is 20 almost $225,000 over the default budget when in fact that's kind
016of a false distinction because it's all related to the grant. I mean, if you took that number out, >> you're only talking about $140,000 or so. >> Sure. >> And voters, let me just finish for a moment. When voters go to the ballot box and they look at those numbers, a lot of them don't, you know, they didn't attend the budget workshop, they didn't hear the meeting necessarily, they haven't seen the detail budget. They look at the difference between the default budget number and the proposed budget number. And it's a huge difference between $140,000 and $370,000. I mean, maybe it's a small percentage in the overall budget, but it's enough that it's going to catch some voters's eyes differently than if that $225,000 difference wasn't in there. And it's and I I mean, if if
017that's what we're if that's what we're budgeting, that's what we're budgeting. It just strikes me is that it's somewhat of a I don't know an accounting mechanism that's not a real difference here that that I think is just concerning because the voters aren't going to know. It's just well this is just an accounting measure that we're doing. >> Yeah. And I hear what you're saying, Patrick. And we can bring down the proposed grant number. The reason I kept it a little bit higher is the grants that we are we don't know what grants we're going to get. And if we drop it to be exactly what the 25 actuals were, we might leave grant money on the table because we wouldn't be able to accept it. Um it >> why can't we accept it if
018it's if we get more grant money than what's budgeted? Why why couldn't we accept it? >> Well, you might breach your overall appro appropriation. I would have to research as to what we would do that. So this is just the authority to expend. And so if we receive more grant money than we did in fiscal year 25 and we were to expend more grant money because you revenue equals expense, you would risk breaching your voted appropriation. >> Is there is my >> I don't I don't I guess I don't understand that. So, you're so you're saying to me that that if we had $850,000 uh budgeted for grants and somehow we had an opportunity to get another $200,000 in grant money, we couldn't accept it because it that if it if it took place that
019year because we hadn't budgeted for it, >> we I would have to research if what steps we would have to take to do that because we would then breach our voted appropriation which would then we would have to figure out what steps we need to take to be able to accept that. >> So I I mean I just so look I I don't I don't understand the business of what you do obviously as nearly as well as you do. I'm just concerned about the way it looks for people that having a simple version of it. I mean, if it's if there's a way that if we have to reduce the regular budget to make that $863,000 and it doesn't hurt us because we can't accept money somehow, then I I would want to do that.
020I I just it's just it strikes me as a very artificial distinction because I we're not it's not like we're going to it's not like if there's a default budget all of a sudden we're going to take in less grant money. We're going to take in whatever grant money we get. It's not we're not we're not cutting grant money because there's a default budget. We might have to cut in some other areas potentially, but we wouldn't be cutting grant money. Um so I I just don't understand that distinction. It's it just seems like a false distinction to me. >> Yeah. And we can we can definitely look into it. It might be as simple as having to have a public hearing if we were to get more grant money. >> Um but I will I
021will have to ask about that. if you can. I mean, that's just I mean, look, I'm not speaking for everyone else. I'm just I'm just saying my own uh two cents about this is that I really think it it would make a big difference in the budget if we had the default budget and the proposed budget under the grant line match one another. Whatever that is. If they're both at 1 million plus, if they're voted $860,000 plus, whatever it is, I think they should match one another because I think the reality is is we're not really making a reduction in grant. I mean, I think that's more true to the spirit of how we do this. It's more transparent for voters. Um, it kind of masks it kind of masks some other things. I mean,
022I don't know. I just again, I think my my biggest concern is against someone walking to the ballot box thinking, why are why are they doing another couple hundred,000 in work when I don't we wouldn't be cutting in grants. We're going to whatever grants we can get in the first place. Is there a way to like explain it in the like what they're voting on that like this isn't this is grants it's not an impact on taxation right cuz what I feel like he's saying is like the pers it's like the what it looks like to the public and really >> this wouldn't have the impact on taxation but like >> and I guess my follow-up question is like in other districts where they have these >> these these issues or they already have these
023grants in their budget. Like how do do they have to do the actual year spend? What if they're getting more the next year? Like what do they do? >> No. So once you have it in your budget, it's what you your budget. So if if it was in the budget this year, the budget this year would be the default. >> Okay. So once it's in the budget, your budget's your default, >> right? But what if that changes too? So if you want to increase [clears throat] it or decrease it, then it would change the difference between the proposed and the default >> and is the like and when someone's voting on the budget, are they voting on what they see as like tax and then raised via taxes and then what's raised via >> No.
024So the the in the spring it's only one side of the equation. >> It's the expense side of the equation and then in the fall we set the revenues. So, in the spring, we go to the ballot and we vote for what the district wants to appropriate, meaning what the district wants to vote as the authority to expend. >> And then in the fall, Michelle and I take a look at the sources of revenue, whether it's grant revenue, food service revenue, earnings on investment, special education aid, all the things. And then the difference between the voted appropriation, your authority to expend and the revenue sources that we have including adequacy. The delta is what is raised in taxation. So if you look on your tax card, you'll see the total um it's not appropriation, it's
025total assessment. That is the delta between your voted appropriation, which is your authority to expend, and your revenues. This might sound like a silly question, but >> so obviously if if the number proposed becomes the number that becomes our default next year, right? Is what you're saying. Is there a way to determine what our number would have if this had happened last year, what our number of the total would have been >> and to do it that way rather than what we spent? >> Well, I was originally going to do that because I was going to say, let's take the $4 million. >> Yeah. and divide it proportionally about what was spent. And um >> Gordon didn't agree. He thought the better basis was the FY25 actuals. >> What was that number? >> Um I
026would I don't have it in front of me. Like you mean the the our portion of the 4 million? >> Yeah. >> I would have to go back and do that math, but >> Okay, Molly. [laughter] If I understand correctly what potentially could happen, let's say we put $860,000 into the budget and then we know that we're getting an extra $200,000. >> Essentially, we would have a budget hearing to agree to raise the budget by $200,000 because we have additional grant money and then that would become the default number. The 1,600, you know, 60 or whatever it is, $87,000 will become the new default number. Is that right? Well, that's what I want to check on. That's what I want to check on to make sure that that would be the process. >> I mean,
027if that's the process, I'd rather do that because I just I I think it's I mean, it's a big difference that that I mean, it's a big difference without really having any tangible benefit. It's just going to it's going to have a negative influence on voters. And unfortunately, my understanding to to go back to the question that Beth raised is that, you know, we we can't provide extensive explanations on those. Um it's it's very restrictive about what we can put on a warrant article when it has just certain language that's on there. >> Yeah, >> we can't provide ex long explanations with it. We can during our meetings, >> but a lot of again unfortunately a lot of people don't listen to the meetings or ever hear the meetings to know what that discussion was.
028>> I can definitely ask Gordon in between now and our regularly scheduled schoolboard meeting which I think is next week. >> Yeah, >> perfect. I mean that's a we can hopefully come back with an answer then. Yeah, that's great. Great. And also if he has any other options, Molly, I mean, I don't >> I know that's one that you sort of threw out there is thinking off top of your head, but if there are other options, too. If you can maybe just express what the concern is and maybe Gordon has some other ideas that he's seen in districts about other ways. >> Yeah, Gordon and I had some lengthy conversations on this. Um, and this was his suggestion. But I I'm happy to talk to him again. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Molly. >> Any
029other questions for Molly? >> The other question I have is I notes on the agenda separately, but is this issue about federal funds. if we if Molly has additional information about that that she can provide. >> So, um is the question what we would have how we would have to change the budget if we did not receive federal funds? >> Not the process. I want to know the numbers. I want to know how what amount of federal funds that we receive that's incorporated in any fashion in our budget. We've talked about this since last spring and I've brought it up at every meeting since then, I feel like. and we just talked about the last meeting again that that we wanted to know those numbers and we haven't gotten them yet. So, >> so not
030prepared to give it to us tonight. I think we need it for we need it for next week because we've asked for those numbers and we need those numbers. Wanted to look at that. >> So, so when you say included in the budget, so what's in the operating budget does not include federal funds. So, when we say when we say federal funds, we're appropriating the grants in here. Now, the food service, yes, that is included in here when in the springtime. >> Anything if the federal government I'm sorry to interrupt you. I apologize. I I can't really see you. So, I >> Sorry. >> I'm not sure. Yes, thank you. I'm sorry. I didn't I apologize again. I I just to be clear, what what at least I was asking for was if the federal
031government were to cut off funding, how would that affect our budget? So, special education, if they cut off all funding that that has a federal tie to it, any federal funding for special education, how much would that what's the dollar amount? If they cut off all money for free and reduced lunch, because that's fally funded, how much what's that dollar amount? And anything else, anything that has a federal tie to it, if they if the federal government were to cut our federal funding, how much money is that? And and what where does it hit us? That that's the question. >> So putting food service aside for the sec for a second, everything that would be federally funded would be what we have in the grants line here. So anything in your line by line budget
032is not federally funded because it's paid. It's in your operating budget. So things are either funded by the operating budget or grant funded. And so grant funded would be the federally funded items I believe you're talking about. >> So you're telling me if the federal government were to cut off all funding that it would have no no impact on spe on the special education operating budget? >> Well, so what's in your line by line budget is not >> come up. Yeah. Why don't >> Yeah. So for instance, it might impact some of our um contracted services that we put in that in that um IDA grant. We also do have um an employee in the IDA grant. Um we have a preschool coordinator um funded through the IDA grant. So it would impact special education
033in in those ways. >> That's what we're asking at least is to to detail what those numbers are. If it's one, if it's is it one position, is it 15 positions? What what is it? And what's the dollar amount that it would affect us? It's would it affect all the grants or just some of the grants or some state funded or all of them fedally funded or do we lose we could potentially lose the entire grant fund and a portion of special education? And does it affect anything else? Is there I I've the federal government has been very creative this spring with finding ways to take out funding with educational institutions when they've gotten upset about something. So I I think we just want to understand what the potential liability is if they were to
034take that action and it affected our school. So I think the easiest way to explain it is so when we appropriate this when we appropriate the funds we're appropriating all expenditures meaning we're appropriating the operating budget which is the items raised in taxation. We're appropriating the grants which is our federally funded items and we're appropriating food service. That's all part of your appropriation. Now, if the federal government decides to cut all funding, then what we would do is in the fall when Michelle and I set the revenues, instead of setting the grant revenue equal to the expense, so if the grants were the 1.087, instead of setting revenue equal to expenditure, we would set revenue equal to zero. Meaning instead of nothing raised in taxation because revenue equals expense, the full 1.087 million would be
035raised in taxation. So you're appropriating the the grant money here, which is your fedally funded programs. But then if the federal government decides that they're not going to follow through and we still want to spend everything that was planned as the grants, we would then have to set the revenue equal to zero. I understand that if they give us a year's advanced notice, I mean, what they've been doing with higher education institutions is just cutting mid-stream and just saying immediately the grants stop and even potentially clawing it back. But not not going down that road. I I understand the part about the pot that's the grants. >> So that's one pot that you're telling me all of that has federal connections to it. And so if there were cuts and they wanted to affect that
036entire pot of money, all of that potentially has a federal connection. So the question is, is there anything else? I thought I just heard that there might be some things that are embedded in the special education budget that have federal funding sources that if all federal funding sources, grants, whatever, anything that's connected to the federal government were cut, paybacks, whatever it is, I don't I don't know all the different categories, but if they were cut that it could have some impact on that and and is there any other area of our budget that the federal government could impact that's not just local taxes or state government. >> And so Diana, correct me if I'm wrong, when you saying that the certain items planned for the use of the grants, that's included in our grant appropriation.
037>> That should be >> Yeah. Mhm. And so the only thing that would be different would be food service. Meaning that if we are not receiving any federal funding and we want to keep food prices the same, then we would have to increase the planned loss in the budget to cover the planned loss in the operating budget to cover the loss that we would see in the food service fund. >> Okay. >> All right. So it's just a million dollars essentially is what the is what the potential impact would be in outside of the food services >> Outside of food services, it's whatever's in here about a million dollars roughly. >> Correct. So if it if if it's in your line by line budget, it is part of your operating budget. If it's in the
038grant section, then that's your fally funded programs or systems. >> You say operating budget meaning it either comes from local tax money or state tax money. Um well it's all comes from local tax money. So in your local tax rate >> don't we receive some state funds >> that is a revenue to offset what needs to be raised in your local tax rate to support this budget. So we come up with a budget and then we are given adequacy and the and the difference between what's raby-ine budget here minus your adequacy minus any other sources of revenue is what is raised in taxation. >> Okay. And what happens with things like catastrophic aid or things like that if it's need >> that's all a revenue source. So that's all a revenue source that offsets the
039amount needed to raise in taxation to support this budget. So it's all so again so that that money whether it comes locally or from the state is all in the operating budget. >> Correct. And so correct. So it doesn't change what we have here in the budget. It changes what we report as revenue. >> Right. The only but all the so I think you've said this but I'm just saying it one more time to make sure I understand. All the then you're saying all the federal funds are are in that grant section. >> All of the federal funds are in the grant section with the exception of food service which would be a little bit different. But either either way all expenditures meaning the approval to expend meaning the appropriation is in this budget. And
040then if we do not receive federal funds whether it be food service revenue, grant revenue, catastrophic aid, special education aid, we would then drop that on the revenue side and the entire delta would have to be raised in taxation. >> Yeah. No, I So I'm sorry you're saying something different because now you're talking about about multiple entities, right? Because catastrophic 8 doesn't come from the federal government, right? It comes from state government. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. It's a source of revenue. So, all of it's put on the 24. >> Gotcha. I understand that part. I think I'm just talking about though the concern is the federal government has been cutting off funding for educational institutions. They haven't yet targeted elementary schools, but it's a pos it's a possibility, particularly with these DEIG pledges that we've
041been >> asked to sign at different times. And there's been a question between our voters and us on whether or not we would continue to sign them if we were forced to. And there's the potential we if we didn't sign it that we may be cut off from federal funding. And I think we need to be able to do that as an informed decision to understand what the potential impact would be on that. And that's that's the reason why we're asking that question. So it sounds like the potential impact would be a million dollars next year. >> Yes. If we were supposed if we set that grant money at zero revenue and we still wanted to operate the full services, then yes, that 1 million would have to be raised in taxation. >> Well, raised
042in taxation or we would cut or we make a million dollars in cuts, right? >> Yeah. We would either Yes, we would either have we would have to drop the revenue accordingly to what we couldn't support. >> And all and those contractors for like for special ed, those are actually they're not they're in that $1 million >> grant. They're not somewhere else in the budget. >> Anything that is being planned to be paid for with grant money is on that grant line, >> right? So, it wouldn't be in our in any of these other line items currently. The line item the things on the line items are what's in your operating budget which is raised in taxation. >> Y >> does that hopefully answer the question? >> I think so. >> Yeah. >> Clear now.
043Thank you. >> It's Yeah, definitely clear. Did you I know we had some questions about the school meal funding, but and I know we have our [laughter] director of food service here to answer some of them and give us a little bit more context on um maybe what had what we've experienced since we took a vote to suspend um fees for school meals um last month. if we've seen an increase in spending or a decrease or um and to get a sense of what that that number is maybe to start. >> Sure Dolly if you want to come up and speak to um we have the the number of students the increased number of students who have participated. I believe you have that and then if you want I can hand these out. >> Sure
044you >> hi thank you. So um in the past uh few since it was voted we we saw an increase on average about 10 to 15 students for breakfast and for lunch we were hoping for a larger increase from breakfast and we did see that so more students but we don't know if that's based on because of the weather and whatnot because a lot of kids were playing in the playground and missing breakfast but we're hoping that this was really great opportunity for them to um really experience the lunches too. So we saw it as folks that wouldn't typically pick up lunch, they would grab lunch. So it gave us that opportunity. And so what I've just handed out is the um the cost, the additional cost for the meals. It's broken down by school
045and by breakfast and by lunch. Um so during this period of time from we we tracked from November 5th through November 25th that was 14 school days uh we tracked the cost to the district which is a total of $14,859 to cover the cost of the the meals that were taken by our students. I'm sorry maybe I missed this. Was there like a p What how much of an increase did you see over normal usage? Did you say I'm >> We saw on average about 10 to 15 more students per day. >> Per day. Per meal. >> Per me. Per day. Per meal. >> Mhm. So, look, I maybe I'm not I'm not looking at the sheet. I heard what Allison just said. Maybe I'm not understanding correctly, but if it costs 14 to $15,000
046for 14 days, that's about $1,000 a day that it's costing us. Is that right? And and so 180 school days roughly, it would be $180,000 per year if it if it kept up at that same rate. Is that right? >> That's correct. But we but we have budgeted 325,000. So this is $180,000 additional to the $325,000 that we have budgeted. Is that what we're saying? >> Yes, that's correct. >> So it's $1,000 a day to for to to feed 15 students >> to feed all of the students. it it's an additional 15 during this period of time but this was for the free meals for all students who took breakfast and lunch >> this was all in students Patrick >> yeah but that's so okay but but if all the students I understand it's some
047additional students so all the students we would only get about $180,000 a year in revenue how much do we typically get in revenue for the year >> I'm new so this this would be the the parent or family um portion and I see Molly is coming to add to my comment here. >> Thank you. So for [snorts] food service revenue, there's three parts. There's a federal part, a state part, and a local part. And so we are still getting the federal and the state part. And then the school board essentially is stepping in and paying the parent part. So the part you're not getting is just the local revenue of the parents. >> So that's the local coral is parents. Parents pay or I shouldn't say parents, guardians, families, >> whoever's in whoever's in charge
048of paying for the job is paid. >> Paid. Okay. Yes. And then if they are free and reduced um then we still get the reimbursement but uh we get a higher rate of reimbursement. >> Did do we have to collect money to get federal and state funds? >> Do you have to collect money to get this federal and state funds? So like if they chose to be if the school board chose to have the operating budget pay the parent portion all year could exit school district get reimbursed f for the federal and state parts. >> No >> because you're paying as if you're the parent. >> Yeah. >> So I would still be able to get my reimbursement for free and reduced. So I I put in the claims that I put in for free
049and reduced. Okay. And I get federal and state funding back. But for the paid portion, we solely rely on parents paying the paid portion as if they were to buy something at the supermarket. >> No, no. What he's saying is like so the parent portion is like $3.15, right? But for each of those paid meals, we still get a federal amount and >> a receiving the federal question. Yes. When I cl Thank you. >> Yes. So um >> so yes, it would be the operating budget paying the the caregiver part. >> Correct. But we would still be eligible to receive the federal and state part. >> Correct. >> So the number Oh, the number that's in the propos that this first page that you sent us that's for food service. >> Mhm. >> The 310,000
050that we had budgeted for this year. Does that include federal, state, and local? What is that? >> So that is only the expense side of the house. >> Okay. >> If you remember, we only do one side of the equation in the spring. And then in the fall when I do the revenues on what's called the MS24, we fill out three sections of revenue. We fill out a federal revenue, a state revenue, and a local caregiver revenue for food service. And if if the school district wanted to do if they wanted to have the I guess quote unquote free meals for the whole year, we would drop the the local revenue to zero, but we would have to increase the loss in the the plan loss in the budget >> because at the end of
051the year, you c the >> the students cannot have a negative balance in the food service fund. The operating budget has to cover it. Do you know like ballpark what the local paid revenue was last last year? >> Sorry, that's like wicked on the spot. I understand. >> Is that what you sent me earlier? >> Yeah, I'd have to pull it up. >> Have to give me a second. I think I have one in this pile here somewhere. >> It's about $180,000 based on the numbers you just gave us for those 14 days. Sounds like it's a roughly $1,000 a day. Michelle's pulling out her her computer. That was for the full year. I did the whole day. I was only supposed to increase,000 last 14 days was the revenue that you didn't collect. Correct.
052>> Yes. So that would be everyone, right? >> Yeah. >> It's not including everyone. 10 15 people that were increased. It's not including everybody. >> No, no, it would include, right? Because it's the revenue you didn't get. Yeah. >> Just might take a minute to log in. >> Okay. >> While we're waiting, I love what you've done with the school menus. Oh, thank you. They're nice to have on our fridge. They're so colorful. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Moved pizza to Wednesdays. Trying to shake it up. >> Thank you. >> That was a big That was a big success in the area. >> Pizza Friday. [laughter] >> You like pizza Friday at home. >> Once um I get a little bit more acclimated too, we're going to have some feedback from the students and whatnot.
053So, I'm >> good. But thank you, >> Heather. Can I just make a couple of notes about um while we're waiting, just a couple of notes about our uh school meal program policy, EFA. I just wanted to reiterate there was a there was a mis misspeak a misunderstanding at our last board meeting and I just wanted to clarify that um stu regardless of a student's balance on their meal account they are there is no by policy we do not we do not treat children any differently so there is no separate meal or separate line or anything like that so we I do apologize for any misunderstanding that might have come from that meeting and then just Another note is that um as Molly pointed out at the end of the year we are required to
054have that that line in the budget at zero not in the negative and so the general fund does pick up any um any negative balance at the end of the year. >> Yeah. So essentially what we're doing right now is clearing out those balances as they go as it's the it's the desire of the school board to cover that expense. However, if any student had any negative balance at the end of the year, if because nobody's denied a meal, then the exact same process would happen, >> right? Whereas they would leave with no negative balance. >> And just to clarify too, Allison, any student who is on free or reduced lunch [clears throat] is also gets the same meal. Correct. That is correct. Yes. Right. [snorts] >> Thank you. Any other questions on the meals
055while we're waiting for those numbers? Anyone? While we're waiting, can I just make a comment? >> You can say something to Molly just on the packet that we got. I'm just really struck by because I went back to the top of the packet, the second slide that you have about those um grant appropriations and it has you know grant expense equals grant revenue no impact on taxation. I think again that's my concern about the default budget versus the other budget because it does make it look like there's a difference between the two. I understand it still has no impact on taxation but it it doesn't make it look like it's just an even thing coming in there. >> Correct. So that is what happens. >> Yeah. Either way, it would have no impact on taxation.
056>> Right. >> I think sometimes [clears throat] look at the Warren article and think that they're saving $200,000 on their taxes. >> Right. Right. >> Even though that's not really what happens. >> Sales is our local sales and then there's other stuff that is our investment down here. That's the state portion. Mhm. >> I believe it does not say, but I think that's the federal. >> So, but that means that the local portion was basically just under $160,000. >> So, Michelle pulled the DOE25 from last year. Um, which also I believe had a slightly lower food price unless we actually No, we didn't adjust food prices. Um, so the local revenue looked to be $160,000, just shy of 160,000. So, the 180 was a close guess. Okay. >> So, can I um This is addressed
057to the board more than to Molly and >> Yeah. Let me let me turn you around a little bit here. >> Yeah. But can we um I mean I guess it's addressed to the administration too and everyone, but can we discuss whether or not we would want to consider in future budgets $160,000 in the scheme of things? I mean, and let's say it goes up. That's why I think I was estimating the 180. I mean, even $180,000 in the scheme of things once it's built into our budget, it is not much, but it has a huge impact >> on our families. I would just like us to consider, you know, cutting the the the parent pay portion of our meal plan. >> Do you feel though, and maybe this is just a question nobody will
058know the answer to, is that behaviors would change more than that potential small delta, right? Like if it's just it's there, we know it, and then over time it's I can anticipate it being more than $160,000 easily. Like do we know from like other school districts that provide meals to all students? Like what the average usage of that is? >> Yeah. Yeah. And to Beth's point, I just want to point out that that 160,000 was when we had it all paid, whereas I think more of the 180 is when people are utilizing the free because we see a few more people eating. >> Um I don't know of any school districts that do that. >> Um >> cover that cover the parent >> caregiver portion. Do you >> I don't and I would I would
059recommend that the board consider if every child took advantage what would what would that total cost be? And additionally um the funds we get for free and reduced if we would no longer receive if all students were um receiving free meals. >> Yeah. >> So that would be an additional impact. >> That's true. Well, if they unless um students still uh were inclined to fill out the free and reduced application, but but it would just be a consideration that they right >> given the option of a free meal, they might not take that opportunity. >> And if we see less people fill out the free and reduced application, it will affect the grant money we receive because part of the grant money calculation, part of the formula is your free and reduced numbers. >> How
060much money do we get from free and reduced lunch? >> Right. That was my next Oh, I would have to look at the federal I would have to look at our claims to I I I'll have to get back to you on that. Have to walk into >> what >> we receive more of a refund from the free and the reduced. >> I think I think the question is how much revenue do we get for free and reduce whereas >> I would have to look at >> it's a very limited number of people that can know who is free and reduced and >> the money that comes from that. >> Yeah. something I can pull up from the Department of Education website. >> But you're saying beyond the money that figure also impacts eligibility for
061other federal grants. >> Correct. I I don't know the exact formula that they use at the DOE for grants, but it is a part of the formula. >> And you might not know this. Is that the only like >> it's not the only >> it's the only metric or if are there examples of other districts maybe not in the SA16 who do that who are able to show another metric that qualifies them for those grants. Do you know what I'm saying? >> Do you know anyone? >> No. The only experience that I've had is that if anyone does community eligibility provisions which we wouldn't be able to qualify for but um like New York City and Chicago and whatnot. Um, so but they would have to do still do some type of meal application >>
062where they would have to have everybody fill it out just to to prove what you what you're making at home and things like that. Um, so that's the only example that I can think of is the major cities because they have such a free a high free percentage. >> So everyone is filling that out. >> Is that how they do it? >> That's in Manchester for example because uh being from NSHA we had 18 schools. we were at 42 free 42% free and free and reduced. Um Manchester had a school that was under the SEP and he said that even it was so difficult because they each and every person had to fill out their own type of meal form to be able to track to see who would have qualified for free if they
063had filled out an application. But I don't know any other metric that >> So what does Manchester do? They >> he stopped it the program. Um >> Oh, he does. So they don't cover school meals anymore. No >> for that reason. Yeah. >> Interesting. Okay. And I think it's also important to know that um DEIA does a great job trying to identify who needs the free and reduce applications as well as the administrators really work hard to identify those families. Um and then if anybody doesn't fill it out and they're unable to pay, everyone is still given a meal if they choose. So and at the end of the year, those balances are covered by the operating fund anyway. So regardless, every child would be given a meal. and if they're unable to pay for
064it, then the operating fund would cover it. So, in our normal budget every year, we do have a level, I believe it's actually called bad debt in here. Um, and it's under [snorts] the 2400 section in the office of the principal. And we do plan for a level of students that are unable to pay every year knowing that every child is given a meal, no one is denied a meal, but we know at the end of the year there will be a level of bad debt. I appreciate that and I think that >> it's it's still a lot of you know the more holistic approach for family and less stress right at home would be to do something different. I think it that is still sometimes a barrier for people to be able to need
065and use a resource if they >> and you have this debt looming over you the whole year. It's just stressful and it doesn't feel like we should have to deal like you should have to deal you shouldn't have to deal with that sometimes. I guess I would agree with you Patrick. I think you're back that the amount of money is not is is something that you know I think makes it realistic to consider my I would want to know a little bit more. I mean I wouldn't want I am worried about jeopardizing our other grants that support other programs. So, I think that that's the thing that's nagging at me. >> But I think we would have to assume >> Sorry. >> I I just think we would have to assume more than $180,000 a
066year from a risk perspective because I think [cough] >> I think that's [clears throat] given today's usage. And I do I really feel like behaviors would change >> of who was using lunch options potentially. And even if I'm wrong, I think you need to like you need to plan for that. >> Sure. And on page 14, well, it's 14 of the line by line. I don't know exactly what page it is in the budget, but um it's the last line in the 2400 section. So the top of page 14, we have a planned budget of $9,000. It is we also had the planned budget of $9,000 in the current year. Last year's actuals were $6,881.70. This might be a question back to Dolly. I don't or I'm not sure who could answer this, but during
067the years when the cost of school meals were subsidized during co >> Mhm. >> do we have any data on percentage of students who were taking advantage of school meals? I mean, I guess it's been some time, but is that that would give us probably our best estimate at that time of percentage of the student body that was utilizing the school meal program. >> Yeah, I have to ask, Dalia, but also at that point in time, they gave a higher rate of reimbursement. So, it's hard just to look at the dollars because I think back then they were giving $41, meaning that the federal government was actually stepping in and paying the parent portion. Here, it's the school board stepping in. So, dollars to dollars, it might be a little bit different. >> We have
068like >> number of meals in that time period. >> We would have to look at one of the audit boxes. Um, I'll have to work with Kristen on that to see um because it was all manually um >> done paperwork and then submitted. >> Um, and it was also it was also um difficult because we were running it out of one school for the whole district >> um at points of time. >> But weren't we still running that when we came back into school? >> I can speak on Nasha's behalf. Okay. in Nashville with the 18 schools. Um, we had a a cheats. We didn't run it through our computers where we ran it almost similar to our summer programs, which was like the SSO, so it's the seamless summer program and where you would
069just take a number everybody that would walk through. Um, in NSHA on average now with the free and reduced applications, we did about a thousand students per day. uh during COVID we had almost 13,000 stu 1300 students per day coming in through just asking for doubles and triples and and and you know it was it was very hard to manage uh we were running out of food so it was a very different time to compare now where we were shortage of food supply too at that time so [snorts] I don't know exactly what was going on here but I can only imagine that when it was like a free-for-all everybody was probably just coming in quickly >> talking about What grade level are you talking about? >> Uh, this went from from kindergarten to uh
070to high school level. >> You're talking about the full range because I think we're just focus just on kindergarten. >> Yeah, but >> the elementary. >> Yeah, the elementary. >> Yeah, I I I would have to look up in in Jean's notes and whatnot what happened here in exit. I just >> it sounds like, >> you know, it's somewhere between $160,000 in revenue that we've received and $325,000 budget if we received no federal or state money. >> And I guess potentially a little bit more if the cost went up if you hadn't, you know, increased the budget. But >> honestly, even at $350,000, I'd be in support of eliminating this cost. But I I don't think it's realistic that that is what it's going to happen because I think we're still going to be receiving
071state and federal money. During co I thought I I thought I had remembered that we still encourage people even though it was free to sign up for free and reduced lunch and we should have numbers about how many people actually still did that. I know I know it was reduced but even during times when it was free we still had people submitting the paperwork. So we got the federal funding for those families. At that time we weren't supposed to do applications at that time. Um and but when we came back that for for us in our when we came back >> I think I think Patrick if I'm remembering because I was on the board. I think it's when we came back. Yeah. Yeah, we when we came back I mean I'm co is but
072I'm saying that broadly but during that era right right around then >> we weren't we weren't charging but and but we uh you know so people didn't have to apply to get a free meal but we still had them apply because we got additional federal funding out of that and the number of families still did. >> I think we asked people to apply whether they did or not was a different story. Um, but I do believe Heather is correct. It was when we came back, but again, it was a really big struggle to get people to apply. >> Okay. >> Yeah. [cough and clears throat] >> But do we have numbers about who did apply or didn't apply? Sort of what the the number of families do. >> I do think that would be helpful
073because I think it's a struggle now to get people to apply. So even, you know, it's it's right. I mean, that's kind of what we're trying to alleviate. So I imagine we're getting [clears throat] more now than them. But it would be interesting to see you know is it we're getting a lot more now applications or you know what is what is what is that comparison? >> We we ran the numbers and I sent it over that very similar to last year um with applications but postcoid it took us a good two years to get back on track where people were very scared to fill out and reduce applications. I don't know with exit though. I can't speak on exit's behalf, but >> I think that's data we can get for the next four meetings.
074You have >> Yeah, >> look into that tomorrow. We'll get back to you on that. >> That's helpful. Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Can I um Allison, I think just to go back some to something you mentioned that you had indicated you [clears throat] weren't aware of any other school districts. I I don't have the names of the school districts, but I know I brought an article to to the board before that was when I was in Western Ma, excuse me, Western New Hampshire that there are a number of districts out there that had um had waved the the you know, um parent portion of school meals because they they felt that it was in the interest of their community. So, I I wish I could identify those districts. If I can find something, I'll
075send it to you because I I know I had a newspaper article that was talking about that from a few years ago. Um, so I'll try to see if I can figure out who they are and you know because maybe we can talk to those districts about what what's going how they're handling it. >> Sure. >> Education. >> Yeah. Or even to Dalia's point, if some were doing that and decided to stop, what the reason was, >> right? >> We we can reach out to the Department of Education. And I'll send that information to Allison tomorrow. So I'll I'll send them an email. They would be the one to know because when we fill out an application for um some districts too fargo even applying for the National School Lunch Program. >> Yeah, that would
076be helpful information. >> Y it lost my thought. Can I just ask a question that pertains to this year related to this? If we were to continue to suspend fees for school meals beyond the period that you know beyond this next board meeting and to vote to do that, what impact does that have on the current year's budget and also any tied to federal funding? Um so to start with this year's budget so your tax rate in exit was just set. So we set that tax rate before um any suspension was done. So there would be a loss of revenue for the remainder of the year. We'd have to do that calculation as to what that would be. Um, and what happens, and I've always strongly disagreed with this, the way this accounting has to
077happen, but it's school accounting is at the end of the year, you have to charge the general fund expense and essentially debit the revenue in the food service fund because you can't move expense out of the food service fund. So you have to charge the food service fund expense, but then that gives the food service revenue to get the food service revenue equal to expense. So they're not in a negative position. So we would have to figure out how much to charge the general fund to cover the loss. So it's twofold. It's a loss of revenue and we have to increase the cost in the general fund. Um, so we will have to do that math to determine what those numbers would be and then we would have to determine because of the decrease in
078revenue either do we have other sources of the revenue that would cover it which I don't have any unanticipated revenue at this time. So we would have to identify where in the budget we would underexpend so we do not end up in a negative position. Don't we have an anticipated fund balance already? >> So we [sighs and gasps] So right now, yes, we have an anticipated fund balance. However, we might have changes in student need throughout the year. We don't know how much it's going to snow. We've encumbered snow plowing to the best of our ability, but if we get a blizzard of 1978, that is not encumbered. Um, if we have a new out of district student move in, that is not encumbered. Um >> we have a separate fund to cover that for
079this year, right? >> Well, we would we have a special education trust fund. >> Trust fund. >> Yeah. So, so things like snow plowing though, we don't have a separate fund for that. Um we encumber to the best of our ability. Um we when we open purchase orders, the guidance we always give is open purchase orders for the whole year, but there are things that happen in the spring that might not have purchase orders yet. things related to graduation ceremonies that might have not have been thought about yet. Um, every every schoolboard meeting I typically come with a little bit more expense from the prior period, but I don't know what that is until our team has entered purchase orders for it. Um so yes we do have a projected fund balance at this point
080in time but we also have approximately half the school year to go through which students are unexpected and lead to unexpected cost sometimes. >> What do we know at the at the moment about what our if you have the number what our projected fund balance is at the moment? >> It's about 592,000 >> from our last board package. So, there was a So, we just sent a board pack out, which I think went out today, right? >> Sorry. >> Yesterday. Did it go out yesterday? I didn't bring out >> I did not bring a copy of the board pack, but >> I have it. >> We'll pull it up. >> Michelle has it. She's printed it. >> Oh, Michelle. >> Oh, I just saw it. >> Yeah, we hadund basically 150,000 special >> 433. >>
081So, 433,000. So since um since the last month which would be the page before so since the October meeting we added a hund sorry since the November meeting I'm month ahead of myself here we added $158,000 of expense almost all of that is a special ed transportation >> so I don't know what's coming down the pipeline. We do encumber for the whole year when we know it. At this point in time, we are saying that there would be $433,000 remaining in expense. I did not put any unanticipated revenue at this time because we don't have any. We might, we might not, or there might be revenue that comes in less than plan. But right now to the best of our abilities and knowing what we have, we have all salaries encumbered. We have every known
082expense encumbered, but it's the unknown that's not encumbered. >> Is this um transportation expense encumbered for for the year? What you think it will be for the year or is this like Okay. >> Okay. Any other questions for Molly or >> anyone requested >> transportation expect out of the special education trust fund? We can do that, right? >> I could hear. Can you say that again, Patrick? We had a hard time hearing you. >> That's okay. If we have if we I'm not suggesting I'm not proposing that we do this, but if the board wanted to pay thatundred $58,000 transport special education transportation expense out of um the special education trust fund. We could do that, right? >> I mean, we could utilize the special ed education trust fund if if it was an unanticipated
083expense. >> Well, isn't that is that unanticipated? Isn't that what you just said? That we have $158,000 we weren't expecting? >> Well, it was a purchase order that was added between the last meeting and this [clears throat] meeting. Whether it was >> it it sometimes has to do with how they can transport. >> Yeah. >> Like whether they can have kids on a joint run or they have to do a separate run. It's that's that's part of the problem. >> Are there so wait a minute? So it doesn't maybe it's not unanticipated. Why does it have to be unanticipated for us to use the special education trust fund? Is that a restriction on the trust fund? Um, so I don't have the wording in front of me, but it [sighs] in order some of the
084trust fund wording if if it specifically says for unanticipated expenditures, it should be for unanticipated expenditures, but >> I don't think it said that. I mean, the same thing with our capital reserve trust fund. It doesn't say unanticipated reserve or are I I'd never heard that. It's so it's important for us if if that restriction on I guess we need to know that going forward. >> We have that fun. >> Yeah, we we would have un anticipated for us to use that fund. >> Yeah. And we can go back to the original wording of when the trust was set up, but um you can make an argument for an unanticipated um expense >> at any time really. >> Yeah. >> Um >> yeah, I don't think >> so. >> Okay. or if there's any changes
085that you'd like to see coming back next week's board meeting. Happy to make those changes if there's any any requested changes. >> We're done, right? Patrick, I'm just going to interject and say that we have come to the close of our period for public input at this point at let's see it's 7:14. I don't want to elongate the meeting, but I guess I I I'm definitely interested in in in proposing that the board consider taking out the the parent portion of that fee. And we don't totally understand the impact. So I I can't say to Molly, come and give us a proposal that the board could look at because you don't know the numbers and it sounds like there's a lot of consideration. But I think it would be helpful to have an informed discussion
086on that. I don't know whether or not the board would support it or not, but I I would like to at least, you know, I'm not making a a motion at the moment, but propose that we have a discussion on it. >> Is that something that we can prepare something for our board meeting for next year? >> Yes, I I agree. I think we should prepare something for the next board meeting, >> which is different from what we do this year. I think that's a separate discussion point about, you know, >> I think they're two different points. how much we can if we how that you know we were going to we already committed to making a decision about what we do this year extending not extending how long we'd extend all those sort of
087things that's a different discussion >> the other one go falls under our budget conversation >> right I'm talking about next year's budget exactly >> so next week will we have sort of both scenarios okay that's a lot >> both for this school year and for all >> if it went to the budget Okay. >> And then we'll also have some data on other school districts that might have taken that route and and then I think any any information that you might have and maybe it pertains to, you know, following up with some of those districts, but on our eligibility for federal grants. >> Okay. [clears throat] >> I think that's important to know too beyond the budget number. >> Yep. >> Great. Okay, that's the end. >> Great. Are there any other um around anything
088in the budget uh that folks have questions or thoughts around? >> Patrick, do you have anything else that we didn't get to? >> I I don't I mean I really I'm sorry if I I feel like I sound crankier when I'm remote. I I get crankier than when I am in person or something. I don't know. But I no, I really do appreciate all the information and I'm just I I struggle to understand all of it, but it's people had really good answers and I appreciate, you know, the commitment to follow up to give more information. We're going to make the best decisions when we have the sort of information that people are going to provide. So, thank you for doing that. >> And also, it might be helpful. I know we talked about the
089grant money and how that $1 million is all grant money. Um, but Diana, if there's certain things that we have earmarked, like the position and certain services, now it would only be a part of the grant money. But >> if you want that list, I >> I think that would be helpful, but it it's still coming out of the grant line item. >> It's it's all part of the grant appropriation, but also there's like professional development >> where where it impacts the budget. >> I mean, that it's just a it's a part of all of the grant money. it's it's appropriated in that line, but all of the title grants, all the IDEIDA, all of that's in that grant line. So, there's going to be like your professional development that's grant funded. All of that's
090in there, too. So, it's not just special education. >> Summer, summer school. >> Yeah. Summer school, all of that. >> Yeah. >> But losing that is not is pretty minimal to one a change in the tax rate that would need to be set for next year because it's a very small portion of our budget. or appropriation. >> Well, we would be dropping the revenue to zero, meaning that whole million would have to be raised in taxes taxation, >> right? >> And I have a great Excel formula that will show you how to do it. >> Yeah. Molly, what I appreciate today and just to maybe to piggyback on what Patrick was saying, is that I think I I am also interested in, you know, considering, you know, supporting school meals, for example. But I think
091what you helped us do today, which I'm still thinking about, is just what are the other ways that that impacts other things in the budget or what are ways things that we will have to think through if we we move forward with that decision or not. So I think just >> if you could be thinking about that too beyond the numbers you started to talk about okay you know this is what we would you know the difference between the food service line and the general fund and how we would have to be considering those two line. I think anything like that that would help us next week >> when we come back to revisit this is helpful to me just to understand >> and we can bring the ripple effect of that >> back that
092information. The one thing that we won't know is how it affects our grant funding because >> we don't have that calculation. Um, >> and it's not done by us. >> Okay. I think that the number two around if we can pull any data from when we came back but we were there was still the subsidy for school meals. I think maybe it was 2020. I can't remember when that ended here but Yeah, we'll look to see what history helpful. >> Yeah, we can look to >> Yeah, I think that would just give us a sense of this, you know, this question of oh, would there be a a real increase in the demand for for school meals or not? >> Yeah. And we can pull the DOE25s because it's broken down into local, state, and
093federal. So during CO, you're going to see it all come in the federal line. So, right, >> we'll see what we can find. Is there any other changes that anyone wants in the budget? >> Okay. >> All right. Um, >> Thank you, Molly. And without hearing any other changing, [clears throat] I I'd like to make a motion to adjourn the meeting. >> A second. >> All in favor? >> I. And the meeting is [clears throat] adjourned at I don't know what time 7:20 four