001Move it towards Jane because she's the one talking. >> We're going to maintain. >> So this is the bike spot, right? >> So there would be about the same like I think Jimmy had like 86 spots or something you counted earlier. >> Not that many. I was going to say that's a lot, right? Yeah. >> I think it's 36. >> 36. Yeah, that was for staff, right? 34 and then but the total >> cars was like 86. had a note from early on. That makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Well, that might include when we have events, >> right? Concept A, there's going the the dirt lot will be >> leveled and um it will be similar to what it is now, but it would be leveled and cleared of all the everything like that. But
002it wouldn't be um >> it wouldn't be gravelled or packed down or, you know, nicely put in there. So, >> so not suitable for parking kind of. >> It is suitable for parking. It's just you wouldn't pay you wouldn't plow it. It would be similar to you're not going to plow that in the winter time. Um, but it could be that we look at this is it for, you know, if we want to present something Thursday, you know, concept B might be it or something. Um, one of the things that I was talking to Chris about um, he he is going to um, Martini and he is asking them providing both of these and we will have numbers for Friday for the board. >> So they haven't moved the crosswalk on 87 either one. >>
003They have actually moved it up a bit, right? >> Okay. On the other side of the >> Okay. Yeah. So this is the original bay. I thought that you were moving it all the way over here. >> No, it's it's over just I think >> within 10 or 20 ft. >> And that has that new pad in it. Jamie talked about a new pad in the other side to make sure that people know that this is where the crosswalk starts and there would be a pad on the school side. >> Can you say that again? Someone was asking a question. I couldn't hear for the >> Okay. So the crosswalk was moved over I think >> somewhere between 10 and 20 ft. So it's moved over so opposite the school entrance >> and it is
004all the way up. No stairs >> um except for right at the front of the building there is a stairwell. See that little like >> stairwell. So if you wanted to take a stairwell to get to cut into the front of the building you can. up. Otherwise, you're going to come around. >> Got to go around. >> Um the existing stairs that are there would be demolished. They would not exist in either one of these plans. >> Oh, okay. That's not marked on your marked on there. And I'm sorry. That's why I had to have a conversation with with him because I was like, wait, what's happening? >> Yeah. >> So, the stairs, it is an option. We can we don't have to demolish them, but >> I think we should demolish them. Yeah. >>
005Yeah. >> So, regardless, um, >> too much mess around potential. >> It empties out right into the driveway and then running around to the stairs. That's not ideal. >> So, um, stairs would be demolished. Uh, the >> crosswalk would be moved over. Crossing light would be there. One question that I got about the crossing light is that is it could it be controlled the current one that we were looking at which is a typical crossing light is not controlled by anybody but but the pedestrians. So if police of fire needed to just red light on those that is they have to have a presence to do that unless we looked at something that it could do that and that would be you know $100,000 >> versus potentially 35 >> the ones in exit are just
006controlled by the pedestrian approaching and that seems to work really well. >> It's not a traffic light. It's not a traffic light, but it's a pedestrian >> pedestrian light. Kind like the ones in New Market. >> It's not a It's not a traffic light. It is not hooked into power. It is solar. >> Solar. >> So there's no hook in to >> They're very bright. >> Yeah, they're great. It all depends on which ones you The ones at Pa are like very very fancy. >> Um these would be probably more like the ones you see in I would say market. >> There they are. So, they're just >> it is um something that as we talk to police and fire, I'll you know, depending upon what we do here tonight, I want to make sure
007to like I want police and fire to look at this just to kind of see what the deal is. >> I would rather people should be stopping for police vehicles, all this other stuff if you know regardless if they're crossing or not and if a person was there or not. I said if they were slowing for the flashing light. >> Yeah, that's true. But um so these are kind of the little bit of progress I've did since our last meeting. Uh Chris getting us these drafts. These are not final. These are more like for us to go, hey, >> we do we what do we want? How do we phase it? Um the cheapest one which is going to be this uh comes a day is uh not verified price-wise or you know anywhere under
008$300,000 you know around that ballpark. So it just goes up from there to kind of phase, you know, not phase but um concept >> and that doesn't include the cost for the paving that's already. >> Yes. >> The 300 doesn't include that paving that the old paving. >> 300 would include doing this >> the new the new everything new including paving what's existing. Um >> hold on. Really? No, hold on. I'm confused. So, we're talking about resurfacing the current lot >> and then we have some additional >> paving. So you're saying including both that's 300 >> and the path >> and then I know we're thinking that part of that budget is already well that's what we thought but it was already in this year's budget >> right that's only >> it's 100% only asking
009for two >> what did you say that's pretty small >> 100 >> I think it's 120 but yeah around closest ballpark yeah >> 100 and then what I don't believe is included in that, but I'm going to have to verify this with Chris, is the light. The light itself, the crossing light or the pedestrian light is typically picked up by the town. That cost that is traditionally picked up picked up by the municipality because it is going over from a town crosswalk over a state road. So um however for expediency we can look at recommendations of the school picking up in our budget or you know we have to definitely make sure that it's in next year's budget. >> It's all coming from the town anyway. >> It all depends on making sure that we
010the town raises that money versus the school raising money. So the difference between the town raising money for this and the school raising money for this is that biggest difference or at least the taxpayer impact is bond is a little bit different but when you raise money the town raises money they can keep anything they don't spend and they can roll that over from year to year. when the school has put their budget together and we don't use money in that budget, it goes to defay the cost of raising the money for from taxpayers the next year. So if there's a surplus, it's effectively money that that you don't have to raise, you know, in the next tax. >> But that's specific to the school, >> correct? >> But there there are trust funds for
011the town, too. >> Yep. >> So it does the same thing, right? >> Um no, not necessarily. So they have a the town is a fund that um >> oh it's just unencumbered funds and they have to maintain that at a certain percentage level what the >> oh it's something about insurance or something >> yeah I think it's 11% we have like 13 or something >> it changes the insurance rates or the >> yeah but those are the two different different things but that's the budget that's different from putting a bond together bond is we raise the money the money gets utilized utilize anything that's left over, we utilize it to pay back the bond. >> Um, so >> and recognizing that none of these numbers are official or real. >> But how much bigger
012is B? >> Yeah. Like the wish list B, right? Like we got everything we hope for. Yeah. by Thursday. He like I wish I had I I was hoping I was going to have more information for you guys today, but >> I have kind of the baseline um of what it is and then um when Chris is coming to the school board meeting on Thursday, he will have a better idea um because he struck Martini um this week, he's sending over the plans today um and they'll have a he'll have a bigger swag for us. um in general. But >> did he say it would be under anything? >> He was not willing to give me anything more than the you know a is going to probably be right around 300. Um that was all
013that he was willing to give me. And then that again that's a big if if prices stable if you know. But, you know, the other thing is is when you do a bond, you spread the expense out over several years for taxpayers as opposed to a huge hit, >> right? >> I did look up the DRA timelines for 2026. They are out if you would like me to review that real quick. >> Oh, that would be a great update. >> Sure. >> I like that enthusiasm. So, um, Friday, January 2nd is the first deadline to post notice of a bond hearing. So, that's the first day you could post it. And I can put this in our shared folder. >> Did you? Yeah. Um, Friday, January 9th is the first day to hold a bond
014hearing. Okay, so that's the first day. And then, um, there are parameters around when you have to post it and how long before the budget meeting, uh, budget hearing, excuse me. And then the last day to hold a public hearing for the bond would be February 23rd. So that's your timeline for the hearing between January 9th and February 23rd. And when's the last >> the last day to post notice of a bond hearing February 16th. >> Okay. >> And what about this little challenge we had >> that was around the dis like some like dispute around in terms of whether we posted it. Um if I'm not mistaken uh it has to be posted at least 15 days. um prior to hearing >> 15 days but not more than 60 days prior to the meeting
015and I think what the dispute was if correct me if I'm wrong my memory might not be exactly right is that um >> it was off >> there was a difference between but there but but we were saying it wasn't off because I know >> our timelines are different than town timelines these are specific to schools >> so we'll just have to look at these and make sure we have leeway >> on I was going to say if it's if they cross over we might be wise to make sure we choose >> with the town guidelines too perhaps. Yeah. Just so a bomb doesn't get thrown and little things. >> How much was the amount? >> Yeah. >> In the previous one that got >> essentially off the ballot >> like a million number >>
016it went from 2.3 to 1.8. >> That's right. >> I think and then it went down to 14.3 wasn't it? Or 1.4.4. So it went from it went down down down and then >> but they were significantly higher. >> It was a lot of earth. Yeah. I realize that >> regardless of >> this is plan B is closer to the original one. Um but one of the biggest differences is we're not doing the earth works. We're not bringing in tons and tons and thousands and hundreds of millions a lot of lot of land or a lot of earth >> to build up that side lot to be at the same level as the school. And then with building a retaining wall, we're not doing that. And because we're not paving this whole area, >> we
017don't have to have the water collection systems either. There is a water collection system where it is somewhere in here because we just want to make sure that because this is technically a widened >> for B and A. Yeah, there is one >> water collection in the B. >> Yeah, there is a small one I think. >> Well, you you're almost always required to do something. >> We don't want it running off either this past or the streets. >> Yeah, right. >> So, >> or the neighbor >> or the cemetery. >> Can I ask the question about the funds that are allocated for this year already? If they aren't used, what happens to them? >> Do they go into the replacement reserve fund? Well, no, they go there's a couple of different options for them.
018If we don't use those funds, um they're they could go to funding trust fund. They could go back to offset the um the tax what you raise for taxes in the next year. Um but they're not like you don't get a refund check. >> No, no, I wasn't saying that. I'm just I'm just sort of thinking out loud like if you could say they were used even if the paving doesn't happen before the end of the fiscal year >> then you only have to raise x as a you know x - 100 instead of >> one of the things that Susie and I were talking about which is the reason we want to make sure that at least the paving is in here because regardless if if this is successful or not if we put
019something forward or not needs to get done so we wanted that insurance in there and I think that's a smart move >> no in general eneral and I and it is you know it does raise things it makes things but it is also one of those things where it's just like all right regardless some things have to happen >> like the sink holes and things like that >> yeah we need to we need to maintain the building to a minimum level and it's already not there >> so just getting back to that um the the the defining line so for it to be considered used do they have to break actually shovel to ground or we just sign the contract for the paving. Does the paving have to start before the end of the fiscal
020year? >> Go for it. Yeah, I know you know this. >> Come on. >> All right. I couldn't hear the question because I'm too busy taking This is the proof that multitasking is a myth. >> It's a myth. It's a myth. That's not how our brains operate. I didn't hear the question. So the question was the money for for if if the money in in the that is put currently in the budget for 2026 2027 school year is unutilized or how is that utilized? So for example thank you. So um if if that if that money how is that money supposed to be used? So is it a option where we need to break ground to make sure that that is recognized within the correct time period to use that money in that year? >>
021I think typically we do say the work has to begin by June 30th. >> Okay. So prior to June 30th, we'd have to have the contract signed and somebody would have to touch a driveway. >> I believe so. >> But it doesn't have it doesn't have to be completed. I don't >> Molly will be able to clarify that for us at the meeting. Like I know um >> or maybe it's maybe it's just that we have to pay for it by the end of June 30th and then the work can because that's how we handle the energy recovery units. We paid for them by June 30th and the work was completed closer to school starting. It came out of fiscal year. >> So you'd have to contract them if you're going to pay. >> But
022that is just the payment, >> right? >> Not this this >> I know. I I hate to in my mind the taxpayers have already said yes to the 100. >> Well, I don't want to and and I would want to say we've all, you know, here's what it's going to cost. We've already you've already paid for this. We're now just asking for this extra. I I agree. I think the lower the ask the easier to get this passed. >> And I think if we could just keep that as an open question in the notes >> is what level of completion is required by June 30th? I think >> and I think has a really good point like Molly is so financial person at Disney. She will be here in the meeting. She will know for
023sure. Like >> my understanding is the same as Ellen's understanding, but it's always good to get verification finances, >> right? To use the funds out of fiscal year 26. That's the fiscal year we're great. >> Yeah, because capital projects are often handled differently than other things. But >> Right. Well, there's a difference between this is going to be bond and this is capital improvement. Yes. But it is >> it's still it's still within the >> budget of the school. Yeah. So, it has to be it might be on the maintenance line of the operating budget, but it's on the operating. >> You should be able to book a payable. >> Pardon me. >> You should be able to book book a payable. >> That's what I expense it this year. Even hey cash well a
024payable isn't paid but you could expense it as a payable. So would that argue for not including that number in the because we've already got the 12. So whatever we get from >> it's not it's that comes to us on Thursday >> the number he's he's going to give me kind of the the extra pieces potentially and then I want to get your thoughts on that too but >> and all the research you've done I haven't even touched on that I'm so sorry but the he's going to get us from Martini okay this is from baseline including the parking spaces that aren't here this is the the basic piece This is the range and then the extra pieces um that are a little bit more than that. >> So J just >> so that my
025brain's wrapped around this. >> Yep. >> We have a 100. This is you're estimating or they gave you an estimate cost of 300. >> Yeah. >> We have 100 in the budget. So this would be a 200s. >> Would it really be 200? >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Good question. Yes, that's the real number for A is 200. >> I'm sorry, it wasn't listening. >> Sorry, the real number for A is really 200 because the money is already approved for the painting, right? So, >> right. And one of the questions of documenting this for Thursday um is the the crossing light. >> Oh, the cost of the crossing light. I don't believe that in that >> 300 >> total 300 is the crossing line because that is typically picked up by the town. So I need
026to verify that and I I did not do that. >> Do we um so we keep talking about the bond? >> Yeah. >> Is it a foregone conclusion that the only way to approach this is a bond? >> No. because I'm wondering what's our what's our um dollar value where we don't pursue a bond and then also something like the crossing light if it's as little as 35,000 do we just take that out of the equation so that we know that could get passed like do you know what I mean like which is a very immediate solution >> so yes so yes to all of that I mean we could say hey do we want to recommend to the school board that they put this whole entire project on the operating budget that has pluses
027and minuses which means that you don't have to have a separate bond hearing. You don't have to have a separate line item a month that people are voting for. >> Much more expensive. >> However, it raises your >> taxes by taxes and you typically don't go back from that. So it's it's one of those things where if we do uh >> if we for example and this is this is a spinball thing for example and >> that's where our business administrator will come in she will get the numbers. Yeah, she said she's amazing. >> Of course, we will have the numbers. >> But the last time last time we had the numbers, we didn't have numbers. It was this. It could be this or it could be this. And that was part of what blew
028up. >> That's what we're That's what we're breaking down. >> But I mean, they will have a better number system, the 35, the 200 minus the 100 plus. >> So means for the tax. And it was, you know, it's sort of like when they do the recycling, right? And they say, "Well, if you take the number of homes and divide it into the recycling, that's what it costs." Well, that's fine if you have an average cost house. >> Yeah. >> But what happens is it's a mill rate that gets changed. So if I and the the the values of the homes in the town have >> jumped a whole lot. So for a $600,000 house last time it was going to be $1,000 a year >> for the bond. >> Is it too much to
029ask people to figure it out by their square footage? >> Right. She's not going to figure it out for each. She'll do some cost comparisons like three data points I think is >> right which is fine but then we >> I think if you're going to take this to the town need to have more definitive answer to what it's going to cost how it's going to affect the mill rate they should be able to tell you >> at town hall how that affects your mill rate then you can get people to calculate way to approach that kind of like step two which is how do we talk to the rest of the community about this, what questions are going to come up and how do we handle those? What do we need to prepare for?
030I think that's an excellent like an excellent like next step. I think the first step is we got to decide if we're going to go to the I have Chris from TFN coming to the schoolboard meeting on Thursday. We just need to decide what if anything because I can tell them we're not going to we're not ready for him this month, but >> what if anything we're going to we recommend to the board. >> So you don't have to recommend how the I mean I guess the board's going to decide whether it's going to be >> right. We're not a decision making body. >> Well, I didn't I said recommend. >> Technically, the this is not going to happen. Realistically, it's not going to happen. The board isn't going to go, you know what? we're
031gonna just do something completely different. That's not a policy. >> No, I don't. Yeah, I don't think so. >> But technically, they could and they could say, you know what, we're gonna say this uh you know, concept A is fantastic, but we're going to go with B and we're going to add in the paving and we're going to do all those steps. They could just do that. >> Yeah. >> But what is our recommendation? >> So, we're just talking about the plan, not the financing. >> Not the finance. I think the finances will and I and I I wish I had more than just kind of that base number because right now we kind of know the base number it's probably not going to get over you know probably half a million but I I
032don't know but even the base having the base number and and having that as like we feel that plan A is a significant improvement for the safety of our children and our community. >> Yeah. And you know, even if somebody wants to take out one piece of it or something, you're still putting forward something that's people can understand as opposed to what happened before where it was too much too quickly with not enough information. >> Yeah. I mean, >> isn't that the missing piece of the puzzle? Phases, >> right? >> We we haven't determined that based on the cost that we're waiting for. So we could go plan B, but we start year one as plan A. >> Right. Right. >> Okay. But if you go with that idea, are you saying that each year
033you're going to ask for another bond? >> It would have to be that. Okay. So, but that's >> that's part of the argument of having it all at one time is because if every time every year you're coming back and saying we're going to do another bond and we're going to do another phase plan >> if it's $800,000 total for example then you did you could do 250 250 300 in the operating budget >> plan like you might I I don't know how all of this work but I would say this is our phase plan over the course of three or four years, we're going to ask for 150 this year, 250 next year, 250. >> Yeah. But then you risk that the secondary phases don't get done. >> So it's a question of how
034many times do you want to go back to the well? Do you present everything as three phases and ask for the whole pot of money and then you're defending something close to what was presented last year, >> or how much of it can be done via the operating budget in phases? So, if it's the crosswalk is 30,000, >> that could probably be in the operating budget and maybe it won't make it in >> next year because you've got the 100,000. >> Yeah, Chris, you bring up a great point because this p this current 2526, we have a hundred grand in this line, which I we typically don't have that much. >> So, if we That's what you were talking about. >> I was waiting for my turn. That's That's We only have a 145 ask.
035>> Mhm. So the way that I broke it down, I'm sorry. Do you can So say it's 300. Say that's the number. Put 35 aside, right? Just the light because I feel like that's small. >> The 120 in this year's budget is a hole that can just is already in the tax rate, >> right? >> You only need another 145 to get to the 200. >> Well, the 35 is not included in the 300, though. >> Yeah. But but I'm just saying like it's not like so when you think about the tax rate it's like another 200 is what you're I mean >> but the 120 is getting replaced already in there already the budget >> correct? >> Yeah. >> So in the school budget right now >> one of the things that is recommended
036is that you keep as consistent as possible each line. So, if I know, you know, over a fiveyear period that we need X amount of technology, if I can keep the line at 14,000 so that there aren't these huge steps, it this past year I upped or we upped to a hundred because we knew we needed the paving, >> right? If it just stays there every year and I don't dip down, we have that 100,000 in the budget >> and we keep the other line items stable. >> Right. >> And then you don't have to do the tax calculations. You don't have to have a sixyear plan >> for the plan B >> pieces. Yeah. >> If that's an economical way to do it, if the like construction wise, you can do it that way.
037to say, "Okay, we can put on. >> We can create another trust fund and say or we can change the number of the trust fund that's existing to put a larger up to a larger amount of money in there so that we can fund a trust fund for capital improvements or, you know, or we fund the maintenance fund, whatever that might be." So there is every year um articles, warrant articles on there that say to fund if available from any preceding you know funds that have already been raised to fund the trust funds and put them in order of the ones that you want funded um you know whatever the most important ones are and ones that are underfunded and we could either create a new trust fund or fund the maintenance. >> Okay. And
038on that is I try to be very honest with what I think we really need. There's no bloating in this budget. And so our numbers have been smaller than >> my tenure before me because we come down very close to what was asked for. >> So there's not a lot. There's not a lot to fund these trust funds. >> So now if you do >> I mean last year we did fund all the uh trust funds. Correct. So there is an excess >> there to I mean >> there is >> I mean we've always been able to do that since I've lived here. >> Had about the same amount of excess um except during certain certain times >> We had more money coming from co we had more. So we did more on the building
039to kind of stop that um >> because there was an excess at that time. >> We had a lot of federal funding from >> uh co stuff. So >> there was a lot of that up and down then. And what we did was we did Susie was great. She was like, "All right, we're going to do as much as we possibly can to keep this as even as possible to the taxpayer because we have to spend the federal money first so that you guys can get >> the next year's money um you know to keep your tax rate as low as possible. The money we raise your tax as low as possible." >> So, repair and maintenance is 102. Bear with me here. Have a new computer and new glasses. 10228688. $12,000 28688 we had
040wanted to fund that to have any no >> what is that the trust fun >> no that's in the operating budget operating budget >> it was $40,000 in fiscal year 25 to give you an example just so we all have some historical data here okay so >> so we raised it from 40 >> to 102 >> so so we the incremental was $60,000 increase Right. Because >> the justification >> that isn't the whole >> cost of the the paving project is >> right. >> I'm not sure the exact cost of the paving project. Right. >> You said under 100 wait. >> That was I budgeted for this to be right. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Not this extra. >> Yeah. >> And how much was the resurfacing? 50 >> something like that. I have a question
041about the trust fund. Just trying to understand it as a taxpayer. >> So what is the impact? So if we say we want to put 200,000 in a trust fund, does that mean that that's all contributed from a single tax year's in a single tax year? >> Is that what you would divide up by how much? >> But we wouldn't have 200. >> Yeah. The order of operations is typically um you have in your um ballot uh what you want to fund. We as tax or you know people who live in the town vote on yes it's okay for the school board to specifically allocate any funds that are not been utilized during uh the school fiscal year. Y >> to uh the trust funds that can pass or that can fail. They have traditionally
042passed >> and then the school board designates that amount. So we can say we want to put in half a million dollars but only $2,000 are available. >> Yeah, it depends on how much is available. >> Right. So we can fund it up to that amount. Now, what ends up happening is if all of the trust funds, Jim, to your point, um are funded and there's still um extra and available dollars, >> the that after the school year fiscal year is over, which is in June, at the end of June. So July 1st is earned is the school fiscal year terms. >> Then that money is put into it's not you don't get a tax rebate. No, no money moves anywhere, but that money is utilized when you raise your t when you raise your
043um funds from the town. It offsets the new budget. It offsets you don't raise that much, right? >> So, it just gives you that buffer >> and you just don't you don't raise, you know, all of it, 100% of it. And typically to Sus's point earlier, we want to make sure that the operating budget, our budget stays as even as possible so we don't go these massive up and downs and that the money we're bringing putting back giving giving back or funding towards the next year's raising of funds is as stable or close to stable as possible because that is also your ups and downs, you know. So if all of a sudden one year we give back to tech give back I'm saying that but that's not true. We >> reduce the budget >>
044reduce that the money that we're we're >> then um you know maybe it's half million one year and then it's 20,000 the next year. That's a big swing for taxpayers. So we're trying to make sure that we're making it as fair and even as palatable as possible while still running a great school for the kids. Um, I think Susie's done a good job with that. But does that answer your your question? I want to make sure that I got all the order of operations right. >> Yeah, it just doesn't seem like a show thing. >> It is not. >> So, I'm just trying to weigh like where do we >> trust fund's not a thing? >> Those are separate articles. I would I would favor having a I mean speaking maybe we're getting off track
045so we really start to think about the A and B plans when we want to but I would favor having a bond and and being explicit if it's a if it's a $200,000 bond or even a 400 if it's $400,000 bond you advertise it over 10 years at 5%. >> It's a minimum >> I mean compared to the school budget which is over $3 million I believe. >> Yes. >> You know it's one and a half% of the school budget >> right? Yeah. So the incremental cost for each of those years above the baseline is a pretty >> it's not it's not very much if you do it 10 years and you do it on three that's expensive >> and the uh Piscassic Greenway bond is done. >> I think that's done this year. Yeah.
046So the town has capacity to >> and the property is the property is moved. That's right. So the town has capacity on the bond side. Yeah. Because the wording on those trust fund issues the town does the same thing. they specifically state in the article does not affect the tax rate, >> right? >> Because it's already raised money. So it, you know, it's always worded that way. >> Yes, it does. And no, it doesn't. It it is it is a very you are not raising you're not re-raising money. >> That's right. >> You've already raised money. >> You're just reapplying it. So yeah. >> So it is an it's a very soft way to put it. But so let me let me reel all this back in. Um because I want to make sure that
047we're not going to be here until, you know, midnight. >> Look at the sunset. >> Oh, yeah. The sun's incredible. >> That's a good sign. That's a good sign. >> Um I kind of I wanted So there's a couple of different aspects here. One is um getting to a point where we share with you know the board me being a board member but the rest of the board progress what kind of we're starting with giving them a good idea of what our thoughts are and recommendations are and then at least for me because I am on the board but I'm only one voice in this I I mean obviously Susie is going to be there. Obviously, Ellen, you're going to be there. You are required to be there and we want you to be there
048if you hopeful. But can come on Thursday and you know have a conversation about this plan and either when we decide on it decide on anything. >> Well, how many do you want? >> It is completely up to this one. >> Can we pack the meeting? >> It'll just be all of us. >> Yeah. >> Jim and I will be in Michigan. So, >> yeah. >> So, Thursday at 6 p.m. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Where is it? >> Here. >> It's in the >> front room. >> I need to show up. It's makeup. >> You have to wear makeup. Is that what you said? It's makeup. Makeup. I'll do that, too. >> I thought you were up. We can get you camera ready. >> Yeah. Clean camera ready. >> It'll take a lot to
049be honest. I'm never going to say, "Oh, we only need two people or one person." Like, >> I think this group has been incredibly useful, incredibly beneficial to being able to figure out how to do this. And I I could not have done this without any of without like just me and absolutely every single one of you here. So, I am incredibly appreciative of that. And it doesn't stop after this though. It just goes into a different phase. But, um, what time is it again? 6:00 >> Thursday, right J? >> Thursday. >> This Thursday, October 6th. >> So then we get back to >> October. >> Yeah. >> Asking if you're on the agenda to speak >> today. Today. Yeah. >> Yes, you are. >> Okay. >> Better let him speak. It's almost >> have
050any kind of >> Yeah. >> All of my things you were going to say about kind of like all the research you've done. >> Oh, no. It's just it's it these drawings are better. So, I'm going to send these. They were doing a the same work, but they were using the existing >> sketches. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm going to have them go back, refine it. >> Okay. >> And give us comparable numbers. >> Do you think they'd be able to do that before Thursday? >> Yeah. This is This is easy stuff. >> Okay. >> So, we >> It's the same plans. It's just more details. >> Just more details. And I think I sent these to electronically earlier today. >> Yes. >> Okay. Um, I'll I'll put these on the drive. They're they're actually
051in color because I my partner coloring right now, but >> we don't want to be wasting color. >> No, question. >> Well, I I after the last meeting and he had the preliminary sort of drawing there, I mean, there were a couple things I thought of that I wondered about. Okay. you know, so um you know, one is whether the crosswalk and I guess you know, you'll discuss with the police um if it's a the satisfactory location is in terms of what they were thinking. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Um so leave that discussion for later, but I was wondering, you know, where do we anticipate when we have visitors to the school, where are they going to park and what door are they going to enter through? >> So visitors to the school will
052park in the lot that's over here. There will be a teacher. >> There will be teacher lot, visitor lot. Um will be back there. They can also typically Yeah, they're typically going to be, >> you know, a couple of visitor spots, but mostly teachers over there. And they can park if they really wanted to. There'll be plenty of parking down here and they can do the long walk if they would like cuz this will be walkable. >> I like what you're thinking. I like to reserve three to four spaces >> up front, especially if this is a double lane so that teachers will park along that. And we're all creatures of habit and so once teachers have their spot, they're pretty >> used to doing that spot. But it is important for it's awful when
053we have anybody from SAU or parent not be able because then that's when you start doing people start doing weird stuff and parking where they're not supposed to. >> So, okay, let me just clarify what you're asking which is in the lot over there have a couple of reserved spots for visitors. >> Um I think that's that's just >> paint >> signage paint. I just I was assuming that'd be the case, but I didn't know that. I don't think you want to have a path. There would also need to be a path. >> Yeah. >> Not a not a drive, but a path to get up to the front. And I think that's important and something that we can clarify with whomever if we get to the point where we're doing this, we can clarify,
054you know, this is how this is going to be re um resurfaced and as we repaint these spots, this is what we want because it will look different because there will not be a way to get to drive from the lot over in front of the building anymore. >> Correct. So, and those those uh handicap spots will effectively not be in there. >> Handicap spots will be in there. >> So, that the next question for hand will be in the back. >> Well, there's a back entrance. That's where the ramp would be or we can have handicap right here and they go through the gym. It's another option. >> Yeah, I think I think we do need to think about something beyond beyond besides just in the in the back because I assume >> there's
055no camera there. That's not >> Yeah, >> they have to come in. I thought everybody had to come in at the front door. That was one of the things that I was >> That's right. >> concerned about after the last meeting. >> Here they can come around the front. >> They could, but I mean that's a long way. That seems weird. >> I'm going to think that there's probably going to be >> visitor spot, handicap spot on this side. >> Yeah. In front >> so that you can go to the front to where everybody else goes to that you have the ramp to. >> Um, and they can use don't have the back or land it is it is absolutely there they can get in the back door they can get in the multi-purpose room
056they can go to the front door however the front door will have a person >> right >> so we will have a spot there but we'll also have spots out back >> I think that's important because if there is somebody that is you know has a drop off they absolutely should be able to kid >> and we want it for the right the the tribe that we have now, is there going to be angled in parking along that? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, >> No, no, no. Yeah. So, all along >> Yeah. So, you could also potentially park and then just come around the front. Okay. >> So, all along where there's angled parking now? >> Yeah. >> There'll be parallel parking all the way along the back. So, you know, not >> No, I'm
057talking about this right here. >> Oh, >> where people park right now. Parallel park right now. Is that angled parking pointing in >> right now? No, but we could if we wanted to. >> If we could fit it. >> Yeah, I think it probably >> it would maximize the >> Yeah. >> I mean, >> that's why I thought it was two lane. So that one lane was for traffic and the other lane was for the parking. >> Parking. >> Yeah. >> Kind of like parallel. >> You're talking in the back corner back there. You'll see >> like this area. >> Like that would be Yeah. more people >> cuz I know there's going to be a concern that oh we're not getting >> you know this lot out here where are people parking are we
058actually losing access I mean as much as we can allow for safe repaved parking spots all along that back corner I don't know >> were we talking about >> this corner back here also. >> Okay, we're not talking about this side on the first time. >> That was a discussion that we had though. >> It was going to have to be a double pave, >> but we we you can do angled parking at a certain point here, >> right? >> So going alongside the >> firehouse, >> right? >> All and then all the way down and then turning the corner. they would be angled parking up against the HYA if it's all along that whole and then it would not be um here because you're gonna have in in ingress and egress flow. >> Okay.
059And I'm also thinking about um like it's not clear to me what the >> where the front entryway is front where everybody comes in and out there. >> Okay. >> How many is there an allowance for parking in that area? >> No, not at all. You can't get >> I think maybe we should just >> think about CMS. >> Think about the high school. >> Yeah. >> They're going to be a >> disabled person is is way far away from the school. >> They do not they do not go up straight against the school. And again, >> it's not recommended. >> This is not >> with regards to school safety these days. Those considerations. Um, >> yeah, because we were intentional taking parking away and access car access away from the building. >> Right. I'm
060Okay. So, I do think handicap spaces should be as close as possible to >> that area. So, we'll have right there. >> The closest will be handicapped on this on this side. >> On that side over there. >> Okay. It's still I don't know >> having had a father-in-law who was not very mobile that still is not that's a that's a distance if you think about it Lincoln Street school >> stratam school >> people can't go in there >> further >> it is further >> if you take a trip to those schools it's >> it seems to me you could have one spot that's not far from the ramp >> for the um multi-purpose room or whatever it is so that when you had events someone could go in there cuz you don't have to
061go in the front door. >> I think as the same thing too if the parking lot if somebody needs that, they're going straight into the gym from that parking lot. >> You're just moving physically handicap. So if you're if if a parent or grandparents coming for a concert, >> they could go straight into the gym. >> They could go into the gym. We could have something that was closed. >> How about deliveries? Because we get, you know, large trucks >> usually go into the gym anyway. They can't get through the >> like mail truck, UPS, they come they come up here, >> right? >> That's a good question. >> Again, >> they don't have to. >> There's a video that's that is seen in Jane's office. If somebody comes up and they ring one of
062the bells, then you then Eric meets them in the gym or in the teacher workroom. >> Do they go up here first >> to ring? Cuz there's no video there, right? >> So they would have to walk to the front door. Hello. I'm here to say it's summertime. I have all these things that need to be delivered. Jane would walk back or whoever would walk back to the gym and everything would go in there. >> So, they could temporarily park by the multi-purpose room entrance, right? >> Yeah. >> Guys, no. >> Yeah. I'm just really I'm just wondering how practical it is for them to park, walk all the way up here to every other school. They stayed here 10 minutes. >> I mean, I I really I >> I think we make We'll make
063it work. >> You could also post a sign where you want them to park that says, "Call this number." >> Yeah. >> And they call the number. It's kind of like doing a pickup at the stores nowadays. They have you have you call a number >> and they bring your stuff >> and they bring the stuff. So, in this case, they're they're they're you direct them where you want them to be. >> They call the number. They don't have to come to the office. I think I think you're you're right. Um I think you're right. We need to kind of >> we can figure out signage and where >> the where we're going to paint lines and stuff, but >> and I I don't want to minimize what you're saying at all, but I think
064we need to kind of figure out where we're where we're at in the overarching design. We had a spot where we're okay to talk to the board or we not have a spot. >> Did Jim, did you have more? No, no, that's >> I do. He did mention about the police. I talked to the police chief >> a week and a half ago, two weeks ago. >> His only comment was he likes the the one way in, one way out for the loop to control traffic. >> His comment about the sidewalk is he wants it closer to where he is at the end here so that um he control the entry and the sidewalk. >> Okay. >> So, here it's relatively close. We talked to him about putting it right on the corner >> and
065working that way and he said that would be great just because he wants to be able to do it all >> for today. It doesn't matter because the pricing moving at 10 foot this way or 10 that way doesn't matter one bit. So >> it's good for today >> just to have him on board for >> when we start doing the final design whoever comes in >> to do it then we get their >> I think that was a great idea to go talk to him >> because we need his >> Yeah. He he said he got he likes the idea. He said it's you know the sun is a bad thing in the win about it. That's why he wants it >> decide to walk close to >> Has anyone talked to Nipstein at
066all about snow removal? >> No, it's something that have to um >> we're going to have to approach that because the town does not charge the school for plowing. And this is >> this is >> really much more. >> I don't know. I we would have to again this is again we're in phase two of >> if we're okay with this. These are conversations that we're going to have to are going to come up during deliberative. >> So are you making lists of all this? >> No, I mean it's in the notes. >> Okay. No, that's what I meant. Yeah. >> Same thing with first student. Just >> Yep. >> Have their input about the curves and the buses getting around and visibility whatever on the front end. Um, I did when we had the
067safety security meeting and I was talking to Chris Drisky about this afterwards. Um, our safety and security guy um >> Rich Kane Rich Kane. Thank you. I was like, "Oh, >> it's all right. It's getting late." Yeah. >> So, I talked to Rich Kane and had him look at the this the mockup that we had, not this, but the mockup we had, and he's like, "These look great. No glaring issues." um you know there was a couple of different things that he had questions about which we've already discussed. So um you know it was yeah we could please if we want to and I just want to make sure that we have you know um his biggest thing was not having this to your point Susie not having this driveway right next to the >>
068um building and he was super happy with that. So nothing glaring from um him and he is the one that would you know um have a decent idea of like okay we can sure that first student will be all right as long as first student can get in and out >> that is their biggest thing. Um >> how would the buses flow in on where would they >> let the kids off they'll come in this way but would they end up coming to the front of the school again or the back >> in the back there? So they would drop off at the back. drop off pickup would be in the back of the building. >> That is the >> And there's which it used to be. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> To be there.
069>> And so that eliminates all that car or student bus contact in the front when the real risk factor, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I guess I I think it would be um important to have the other stakeholders that use it every day, the the staff to be able to see these possibilities and and give input because they may think of things also that >> I think we open Pandora's box. I'm sorry. I think that's what this meeting is for >> that you're the representative. >> Yeah, I think we need to >> Well, I can't represent 35, you know, people's I'm just because it's going to affect all of them. I think this is, you know, is is this con conceptually fine? The kinds of things you're bringing up, I think are I don't want to
070say nits, but you know, how the parking is going to be and all that kind of stuff. Seems to me that can be when you do the final drawings. And I'd hate to miss our deadlines because if we start taking it back to another group, we're going to be another month. And now the bond issue date is >> I don't know if we'd be another month. Well, I know that, but >> I think it would be helpful to have the um the parking the angled parking on the on the diagram just to reit that's going to be a main thing that people want to know. >> Um I I put the ones in the back of the building on there and I neglected I'll send them a note tonight. So the ones on the side
071of the building next to the firehouse are there will show up on the drawings that I'll have for Thursday. Yeah, >> Jade, I think just and an H for the handicap and a V for the visitor if they can just plop those in so that it's obvious because I thought those were good questions. Right. The more questions we can reduce. >> That's right. >> Um and it's all solvable what I'm hearing so far and I I didn't mean to jump in. I just I feel like if we we have been through hours of discussion and without the benefit benefit of hearing all of that, you're going to look at it cold and have a a view and we're going to get distracted. Well, I just think it's just to speak for them because they're the
072ones who use it all the time. And >> well, then why don't why don't you pull them, right? Show them the stuff so they're not involved in the meat and condense it down saying, "No, we already, you know, barely did that. We already took that away." Blah, blah, blah. And if there's any changes, bring them up. I mean, >> I think it can be done methodically. >> Well, you must have staff meetings, right? If you're talking about the staff. So, have you shared this >> with the staff yet or >> No, after the school board meeting. >> Yeah. After the board. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Helpful. What I don't want to do is walk into this and it be a nightmare for the teachers once it gets >> correct. That's >> so but I do
073think that Palabi to your point like I think we would open up a delay in a Pandora's box at this point. Um however I really like the suggestion of making sure if you if you are comfortable with it Susie if you want to after if the board moves forward with something to say hey this is what we are thinking before we get final design. Not even that. >> I I think that if if I know it's a big ask and I I respect our teaching staff immensely and I think that to Palavi's point, we have spent considerable amounts of time going through this. We've spent almost a year doing this. And if somebody is very interested in this, they can watch these videos and they can come to our schoolboard meetings. That is >> right.
074We have plenty of opportunity for public input. This is a public. >> That is why we are doing all the things that we're doing is to make sure that everybody can hear it. And I think it's our job to think through, okay, this is how many slot how many spots we have right now. How many spots do we want plus some? Where is that parking gonna go? >> That's your staff. I'm gonna I'm gonna leave that to you. >> Um, cool. I'm not gonna >> Thank you. >> Absolutely. >> I don't think it's going to be dissimilar from the conversations I'm going to have with my neighbors. Right. So, I'm the representative who's going to help to translate this on a, you know, word of mouth basis when we get to that point. And I
075think we all will be in that position. Yes, >> that's a really good point. Pl we're going to end up after Thursday potentially being the ambassadors to you know this project. I think I think that we all have things that we really like about it. I think there's all there's always improvements and things like that, but um if we're okay with saying, "Hey, this is what this is our our best um proposal or best thought on how this is coming together and what we'd like to see and you know, this is our understanding of how much it's effectively going to cost." Um, I think it's it's a great next step to be able to ensure that we can let people know what we think and how much work we've all put into this over the
076past few months. I give an A if people are saying, oh, like we hope to get more parking at the school, but in reality, yes, you have some events that you need, but generally that's, you know, going to work out. And most of the town type events where people park up here, they're already parking. It would only be an improvement, >> right? >> Even if we don't pave it, it will still be an improvement in terms of access and >> and how many cars could be there and so forth because of taking out trees and stumps and stuff. And the the the utilization of this side lot is mostly the fields back here and during school events. Whenever I've been at town events, it's been what will be the teachers parking lot gets utilized in
077right next to the police and fire. It's very rarely goes, you know, kind of beyond that. >> Well, well, for the like for the Memorial Day thing last year and stuff, there there were plenty of people parking. plenty of people that Yeah, 100%. But it's typically um not full. >> But regardless, um sorry, >> that's all right. And just go back to going back to Jane's original question, it does sound like people are comfortable with bringing these two proposals to the board on Thursday. >> But does that >> is that okay? >> That's what that was. I was seeing nodding and >> whatnot. What we can do is who can who wants to who's willing to come on Thursday? >> Well, I have a question. >> Yes. >> What are we what are we we're
078giving them this and saying what >> we're giving them this and saying >> updated this. >> Yeah, this updated this. >> Sure. Um, and we are saying as long as my information and you know things that we're going to get price-wise are kind of in that range that we talked about are accurate, which I'm going to assume they are. Um, if they're not, then may have to throw some water on this, but then we'll say, look, this is what A is going to cost X. A is acceptable. A is great. We would like to be able to say depending upon price, we would could go up to B. >> But the I I'm confused by that. Like are we saying we want A? >> Yes. >> And then B is a phase two because that's
079a different thing because I feel like we're what's our recommendation to them? >> Okay. So >> that's a good point. It really should be. >> We don't have a cost, >> but we know B is going to cost more than A, right? We just know that. We don't know how much. So I feel like I'm sorry. >> Yeah. >> No, I but I but we just know intuitively it's more, right? So I personally think we should go with a single recommendation. Make it very simple in that we recommend A with B as a phase two >> because don't we all feel like that's the best in class, right? is the both together and there is a way to layer it. >> That's great. >> So, I'm I'm going to push back on that. >> Um
080I was on the exit YMCA um fundraising and creating that YMCA and originally it was meant to have a pool in it. >> Oh, yeah. I know that. >> They're still saying it's coming. >> Yeah. >> No, they're not. >> And what happened? They built the building and there was no reason to have a second fundraiser and it was such a huge push to do the first one. What it's at least 10 years that the Y has been here now and there is no swimming pool. And so for me I think coming in and saying this is what our hope this is what we would like to propose unless it's $100,000. This is what we'd like to propose. this is everything that we think is important. This is what we've studied. This is what we've
081said is our priorities. It hits all of our priorities. And then if the board comes back and says >> B, >> I am saying B. >> If the board comes back and says, no way. You got to cut that down. Then I think we can say, okay, can we potentially do it in phases? Yeah, because I I would agree Susie to Jim's point. I think you do it with one asset because if the number is in the 400 to 500 range, >> that's not a real hit for the town. And if it's funded with a bond, it's one and done, >> you know, and it's really not a big impact. If it's depending, I think getting some financial advice on what term, whether it's 5 years or 10 years, but you do a 10-year bond,
082I don't think that moves the mill rate hardly at all. And then it's all done. And instead of saying, "Well, we'll do a piece of it now and through I guess an operating budget and then we'll do another piece through the operating budget." I don't I mean the roof I don't know whether other classroom is straightened out and whether that's usable or not. If that's all we're in, you know, so so that's good. But things come up, right? I mean, stuff happens. So I don't think you want to count on always having >> true >> that 120 >> to use lack of a better term slush fund available to say okay we're going to do the next part of this project just >> get it done because then it's the parking the safety all of
083that's done and it's doesn't compared to what was asked last year which was what a million3 >> that's a huge difference >> well it's but it's only d it's it's half the cost really Right. Potentially, >> right? We don't know. Not even know. I know what I'm saying. You know, I think the important the thing that I heard the most was the the the fact that the board was going to choose the term of the bond at an unknown rate and so you didn't know how much it was going to cost. >> But that is not Yes. Understood. And that technically is not going to change. It is it is the way that the board works is that you put your you elected a representative that representative is being entrusted to make the most financial
084decisions for you know the taxpayer. So it's it and I don't mean that to sound harsh but regardless that's not going to change. However, when we get to a bond portion of it, then I know for a fact that this board would be very interested in like the public's and yours and this groups saying, "Hey, what are we looking at?" It is not going to be an individualistic decision on what that rate is going, not the rate, the the term length is going to be. It is going to be the board really looking at it going all right with Molly's assistance being able to say >> how much do we want to um >> so J maybe it's a perception issue that what was presented in that information package last time >> was very discouraging
085>> and so when you only had the the terms that were $1,000 for us or $1,500 for us >> that's that was a hard sell that for the next three years your taxes were already up $1,500. Yeah. And I think and that's a good distinction. So that thank you for that. That's a really good distinction. I think we have an opportunity to change that perception and for it to be a much more palatable and friendlier conversation um from the board as a whole. So I don't can we please bring that up? >> Yeah. just I mean you know just >> yeah and as we go through the process I think having that feedback and saying hey this was something that I had a problem with okay well to this point typically that's not something you
086could change but to your point yes technically we can change perception of that and be more inclusive as to okay well >> let me let me make sure that we're doing the will of the taxpayer and making sure that we serve our students at the same we have those two, you know, balancing. >> Oh, And I I think I mean I I think it's much more reasonable >> and that we have really clear and concise messaging that will be helpful. A unified front, >> but do we have an an idea about like if they if they came back and said plan B for whatever reason is a million dollars? >> Do we want to say nope, we're going to recommend plan A because we're much more comfortable recommending. >> So do we have a do
087we as a group have a number number >> because we need to know this before Thursday night, right? >> As soon as I get information, we can talk. We are not. >> It's a high number. We won't show up from running around. >> Yes, this is this is yes or no. And >> I say we just pick a number and just we we what's our everyone's >> come down to what's the impact on your wall. It's hard to know without having some financial like like Steve Yevik who's head of the trustee of the trust funds say Steve what's what's an $800,000 bond at 10 years what's it typically going to cost we don't have that information to make some kind of reasonable assessment >> yeah spreadsheet somewhere >> yeah I mean we had stuff >>
088well that was >> right >> no you know what you could do is divide by you just do a ratio right that the payments are not going to We have to be patient with the process. We're still like we have been over 500. I don't want to do >> B. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What if the idea is to present plan B say this is the number say that it comes in at 850 which is all a little shaky for us it seems like right like that might be our threshold or just over our threshold. At that point, could it not be you saying, "We just got these numbers. This group wants to go back and prioritize for you." Or is that something we're going to do in the next 15 minutes is
089pri That's silly to do because one thing might cost $20,000, another thing. >> Yeah. So I think that to your point a threat some type of threshold >> and then we back and say this is bigger than we thought it was going to be. We need to come back but this is the plan we'd like to present to you. >> Yeah, we can absolutely do that. I think it's really how I wish I had more. Um, and I'm sorry I don't, but I'll keep saying that because I am. >> Um, but I think that's at least something that gets us to move forward with the school board and gives the school board at the very least kind of like this is what we're thinking. This is where these were our priorities. [Laughter] >> That be
090this is the priorities. We went through this process. These were the things that we had talked about. This hits everything and a little bit more. And and as long as it is within this ballpark range, we are good with it. And I should know I'm crossing my fingers before Thursday and I will share it with you as soon as I get it. Um kind of I was told that if he would have numbers for me by, you know, before Thursday. So, I'll share with that and if it's if it's kind of like going to a submarine everything we can that that everybody said >> we can live with it. It gives us >> most of what we need. >> If it's really a $300,000, we've got a way to make it a $200,000 >> cost
091and we're all okay with that. So, so we we've got our backup as a group. It sounds like >> That's right. I think if it's over half a million dollars, I think it has to be under half a million for people to have no problem. >> What do other people think? >> Say something. I'm sorry. >> B. Karen, >> when you when you said and more, >> what do you think is and more on plan B? >> Oh, I was just looking at the difference between A and B >> because I think >> B hits everything that we've talked about, but I don't think we're asking for more. I I don't think that it's excessive >> and I think that's important parking lot. We'll double check it, but I believe the parking lot is >>
092Jane, when they give you their number Thursday, will there be components to it where they'll break it down so we'll have some idea the impact of okay, >> this element is $100,000 versus another element >> cloud bubbles >> that'll be broken down in this. >> Okay, great. >> Can I give you guys just some numbers? 10-year bond >> at 5%. So, just assume a 5%, right? If you did a $300,000 bond versus an $850,000 bond, the difference in interest over the 10 years is $275,000. It's not just the interest though, it's also the principal payback. >> Yeah, I just did. So now instead of your perspective, I mean it's not the cost of the bond, it's the principal that has to be paid back. So what's the difference in the payments? >> I didn't find
093that on my phone, >> right? I know you're grateful for your data that you're paying another $500,000, right? Because >> Yeah. And 500. So it's another >> 775. >> That's your point, right? We're going to be paying it anyway. >> And it's the optics of it, right? And >> coming off of what everyone heard last year. >> Well, that's why I came up with >> I mean, I don't think it's going to be 850. I mean, a is three. >> I can't believe it's going to be more than a half million dollars. And if we can pull it back like when you buy a car >> it could be 475 >> right >> you're going to have a different perception also. >> So what are people >> sounds like people are more comfortable with around
094500 to 600,000. >> Yeah I think that's kind of where we're landing but again it's all going to come down to >> what it actually is. >> Right. >> But I I say go for B and >> compare it down. I mean B the scope for B is not >> it's not much more. It's just the gravel lot gravel and demo of the sidewalk. >> And Ellen, when you say five or 600, that nets out the 100,000 that's already in there. Like we thought 200 was a >> we're going to Jane's going to get that clarification. I bolded that in the notes for >> 500. Is it really 500 or is it 400? >> Right. That's a very that's a very big question that we need to answer and answer clearly. Yes. >> The majority
095of your $300,000 cost is your payment, >> which is doesn't change between A and B. >> Right. Right. I mean that's pavements makes money is mainly degrading right the final number I know as well >> but I think it was gravel >> what are you thinking >> there's I don't think there's any gravel on a >> I'm think about Jane's running that's typically I think we're trying not to wrap up that we've never had >> a pain point. >> So, I'm going to go out on a limb here. Um, I don't know if there'll be people besides us there, but the push the main push back I heard was when people started talking about school shootings and stuff, >> okay, >> that um there's a very divided group about how important to protect against that
096it is. So, I'd like us to consider taking that out of our discussions and focusing on child safety >> and not using the specific shooting type or bombs or any of that. That's just my >> just how what's that's what's the terminology usually it's not recommended for safety. Is that how you >> safety? Yeah, for school safety. That's a fair point. Yeah, >> right. That's fine. I'm just I I think these especially what's what's you know there's trigger points and people are on one side of the fence or the other about what we should do and I just would hate that to >> you know deep six anything. So when you're talking maybe just >> and just to clarify for everyone Jane has been really good about updating the board in terms of I know
097when you were asking about Bobby what is the plan for Thursday night like the board is very much in the know with everything we've done up until now. tried. >> Jane has been very thorough. >> Tried. You guys have been doing some some good additions as well. >> And so, like, so they they're ready to hear what we have to say. >> Yeah. I did share with the board at some point like all of our concept designs and kind of what we were thinking. So, they're they're not going to go to this and be like, "What has happened? I don't understand." >> I didn't realize that. So, that's helpful to know. >> Um, so they they're they're not going to be taken a by surprise. um you know this is why we were able to
098get these concept designs is because the board had said yes we will absolutely pay for these >> um and Chris is we've Chris was on the clock when he came and visited us and we'll be on the clock again on Thursday um it has been a really great and I will you know give Chris huge kudos because he did go to Martini and say can you give us guidance on pricing and that That is not a cost to us. Martini giving us pricing. So he Martini is great. They're local I believe Main Street. >> They were they were absolutely willing to, you know, um give us some continue to give us some guidance and some pricing and some, you know, good swag on what we're sway we're we're we're looking at here. So, I think
099there's a lot of people in town that are absolutely willing to do this project um just not in an exorbitant price. >> That's exactly what I think. I think that's true. >> And I think and I've heard that from >> numerous people in town um on both sides of the aisle. So, I think this group has done a good job getting us here and they continue to work and do a good job. we shouldn't have any issues deliberative or you know anything like that but you know I think time does tell >> Beth yeah >> do you have something that you want >> well I just wanted to um once once we get a drawing that incorporates those parking layouts >> um I would like to share those with you know the staff just so
100they can kind of see what we're talking about >> I don't want to hide anything >> no right but I and it's you know after being here all day they're less likely to come back in the evening um But I do think it would be nice to have their eyes on this um because they use it every day. Um and and Jane particularly because she is the one who deals with all of the back and forth that I don't see, you know, any any random visitor, people dropping kids off for and picking them up for dental appointments and doctor appointments. just just to get input on how that um that change potentially not having uh parking there at the front uh >> sketch has parking in the front >> right and that's a change that's
101>> but I'm telling you that's not changing so we don't need an opinion on it >> but to let them know >> is different from asking for changes I think I think that might be a really good perspective in that >> so what's the story about why we're moving the park >> the that access Okay. But I'm I'm for your teachers. You see what I'm saying? If we had a I'm I'm looking for elevator. >> It's the It's the traffic flow. We are trying to do one way traffic. >> So, it's really the traffic is the traffic. That's exactly the amount of times students have to cross in front of >> And to your point, like if a if a FedEx truck came up >> on a school day and it came through this lot
102and up through, we could potentially have the exact problem that we were trying to solve from the very beginning, which is a contact of a child in a car, the child having to go over the line of sight. Yeah. >> And I'm telling y'all, it has happened on numerous occasions. >> Oh, I saw >> and I think that point like not having any vehicles near that front door >> and >> the traffic the cross the crosswalk to the ramp ending where it is. >> Yeah. It doesn't matter if they come up the stairs that are there or if they continue on that ramp. >> That whole entire space >> is no car pedestrian. It's almost like we're creating a pedestrian mall so that's a really good way to think pedestrian. >> It's like what's a
103simple sentence to describe what we've tried to achieve and and I welcome anything here but we we >> reducing interactions between children and cars. Yeah. I mean, that was the first thing we mapped out. Yeah. We're reducing the interactions. We did that at the crosswalk. We're doing it in the driveway. We're doing it in the parking lot. >> Right. >> Um, >> what was it again? Sorry. >> Reducing interactions between children and cars. >> Cars and vehicles. >> Child. >> I really like that. Okay. >> That was like our guiding mission. And that what's directed >> and and that'll help also explain why there's no car zone. from car zone, >> right? Aso, right? I like that a lot. >> I really do like, >> but we will be looking at fire department um input
104on this. I'm just thinking into cases of emergency access. >> Well, the police have already looked at it and so has Rich. >> She is a fire department. Yeah, I mean I can talk to Jeff real easy, but I'm gonna tell you the answer is as long as we have access on this side of the where the gravel bond is to get the trucks in so that you can should there be a fire. Now you have basically 270 degree coverage except for the front. But having a truck there running a 200 in the 200 foot line into the front of the school is not a big deal. The hydrants right down there at the bottom easy access can pump it up, get into the front of the school to everything you need to. Okay. >>
105This hydrant is useless. >> No one would use it because it's too close to the buyer. >> Too far. >> And this will all be discussed when we meet. I think one of the agenda items we didn't get to yet is kind of our marketing strategy. That's not what Jane called it, but I think it's hard to develop that when we don't know which >> communication plan. >> There we go. Communication plan. Right. >> Um, so I think that's going to be another agenda item on tonight's, but we didn't get to it, but I think that will be part of that like who's communicating with which state with which stakeholders, >> right? >> Yes. And how and when. Okay. >> Okay. So, >> have a couple of different action items. >> Prioritization of them, whatever.
106>> Highest priority. >> Thank you so much. uh will be to make sure to share with you any numbers that I got as soon as I get them. Okay? I'm hoping it'll be before Thursday. It might be Thursday, but I'm definitely before the school board meeting. If something changes, uh you guys will be the first ones to know right after me. >> Whoever We didn't clarify who's coming Thursday, but that's whomever can make it. >> So, uh who's coming Thursday? >> Great. So once you guys are in Michigan, you >> I'm a maybe. >> Okay. >> If you can make it, I will take pom poms. >> Are we wearing a consistent color? >> Fluorescent yellow. >> Safety yellow. >> Get us. So, I also have a an email drafted to Chris from TFS Moran
107asking him about a couple of things to to clarify concept B if this is paid or not. I'm just going to clarify my assumption it was not, but I'm just going to get some clarification because >> it looks like it is. So, >> it looks like it is, but let's make sure that I'm right or wrong. And I have no problem being wrong. And then in both concepts, I want him to make sure that the next concepts come in the parallel pull in parking >> across the fire department property line as well as the back of the building towards NYA >> and then H&V HV. >> Yep. So hang on. An existing lot. I wanted him to add in designated spots for handicapped in both the back of the building as well as the side
108lot. Um parking in the existing lot should be designated teacher, visitor, and >> did I miss any? >> No. What was the pavement question again? >> Is the side over here on that side of the building as >> my understanding was that concept be this was not paved. >> Okay. >> Because if we pave this there I'm assuming it's not paved. How >> I want to verify. >> That's what he said but he doesn't actually have a little circles. I just want to verify it. If question though if it this is paved. Yeah. >> Are we >> It would be great. It would be lovely if they would put in some of those those newer technologies where they put like a grid down >> so it's not paved but it holds the ground better. I
109think about and that way >> you're talking I don't disagree. >> It's super nice. >> It's a super nice. But so if this is paved, do you want me to revert it to not paved? Yes, >> depending on the cost, I guess. >> Well, because we know that it's going to be more money. >> It's going to be huge. >> Payment more money. >> And then you got the water, you got the water management, you got the plowing. Yeah, that's bad. >> One last thing on the >> going going into design phase. Obviously 300,000 is for construction. There's another $35,000 for lights, right? >> Potentially. Y >> there's also engineering fee in there that's not included in that. Oh yes, that's true. >> However, I for the the scope of this project, if we bid
110this out as a design build, >> now you're not paying an engineering firm because this is easy enough. Most construction companies >> Oh, you mean like Martini going to Martini and saying design build? >> When we open it up to bids? >> Yes. Yes. >> It's it's a design build. So therefore, because usually what that happens is the engineers the engineers they're not making profit on the engineering. That's part of their >> overhead%. Whereas if you go for TF Maran, TF Moran has now taken call 400 hours of engineering doing >> 30% markup on it. >> So we're getting into I like where you're going. >> It's eliminating that engineering cost that if it's if you it would be right now it's 300,000 plus 35 plus T per. >> Yeah. >> If you throw in
111300,000 design build, >> usually it's only going to be like 310. So this is we're at the phase where it is I'm going to go back to perception. It's at the board's discretion. >> Yeah. >> I believe. So I would recommend >> design if you don't mind >> talking to the board. Yeah. >> When we get to that I >> they would love that because I'm not an engineer. I'm not in construction. I would heavily weight your experience over my non-experience and the board's non-experience in this. So can >> I got I'll talk to you about it. Talk to whoever about it. But I said that that's I don't I don't want to turn the same. >> Okay, I'm going to turn off the camera because I think we're wrapped up. Yes. >> Right. Okay.
112>> You guys are you guys okay? Like when do you guys want to meet next? Like >> next meeting in the new year before the next school board meeting. So >> before the end of October. >> When's the next school board meeting? >> November 4th. We have a weird one. It's November. >> November 4th at 4. >> Yeah. It's really early. When is one two rolling in? >> Yeah. >> All right. Um, >> what do we need to do for the next meeting? >> We need to >> communication marketing plan. >> Is that all? >> Um, no. >> No. I thought we were leaving it on because we're check now we're still here talking. >> Yeah. Sorry. So, um, so let's look at, um, >> so the week of October 20th or the week of
113October 27th. >> Uh, >> I'd prefer the week of the 27th. >> Monday the 27th. >> Monday at 6. I've been working. >> Hang on. >> Yeah, that works for me. >> 7th. >> Yeah. Monday the 27th. >> Monday the 27th. So, that's like a >> 6:00. >> Well, if we need something before, we'll just accomplish it via email. Don't forget we have other ways to get in touch with each other seven.