001Right. And here we got Sam and myself and Craig is online. Um so why don't we start right away with purchases over 20,000. Okay. We have two tonight. The first one is phase four of the um facilities master planning agreement with P. They kind of talked about it a little bit when they were here at the board meeting last time. It's the community engagement portion. So, we didn't initially pay for that. That was built in like if we wanted to go that far, but I I think that that's the trajectory we were on. So, it costs $24,000. That's why it's here tonight. I don't know if there's any more questions or anything else about that. All I'm seeing is that it Well, maybe that's just at the bottom. It's probably somewhere else. It just says
002uh at the bottom two pages just say $0, but okay. I think I'm I think I found the other section now. Okay. No, I'm I'm good on that. I'm good, too. Craig, I don't know if you can hear us. Do you have any questions on that? No. No, I don't. All right. Um, very good. Do you want to move on with the transit? Yes. So, the second one is um we're proposing purchasing another transit passenger van for district district use. So, we have two vans right now. One was purchased with special ed funds. So, it's only available to the special ed department. The second one was purchased with the intention of being for the special ed department. So, they have priority use for that. And between the like those two vans are pretty much booked
003almost every day with the special ed department. But we have many many other teachers requesting using the van. So we just would like to get at least one more. Um we did build it into the budget this year. Um did you have something one too? Well just that uh this quote we are at the end we're getting towards the end of the model year. We held this off trying to like make sure we were going to have it in the budget um for this year. We are at the end of the model year. So, in talking with Andy, it's he's not 100% confident that we'll get this order in for a 2024 model year, but trying to get it approved now because if we brought it next month, uh I think that's when Jesse brought
004his band was in October, November. And he said by then they'll probably be in the 2025 year already. So, we're trying to sneak this one in and get it in right at the end. So, we can hopefully get 2024 model year pricing. And if not, we'll have to do like a wild truck. Well, what what we'll do then is we'll get a new quote for 2025 and bring it back at a later place. We can't place the order. I learned my lesson with that other one. We won't place the order unless you approve what we're actually ordered. Great. Hand up. Fair enough. Sorry, Greg. Yeah, I just had a quick question. I you know, I never remember if uh if like how many passengers are we allowed to have for a van as a district?
005including the driver. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. And that's going to be adequate for our needs for the short term, we hope. Yeah, we I hope so. I mean, we do have lots of requests for the van that where people would fit in it. So, there even um I think it was golf was looking for a van. Um I can't remember. Yeah, tennis. Um, and then lots of like different just small department kind of things. So, um, the CTE department sometimes wants to use the van for different things that they do. Um, I think we would have no problem filling a schedule with a third van. Okay. No concerns here. Okay. Same here, Sam? No, no concerns on my end. All right. I It looks like uh everything purchases over 20,000. will move forward till Monday night.
006All right. Uh construction manager RFP. Um so this is going to be another part of the facilities manager plan as well. And P was kind of talking about this when they were there too that um one of the next steps is to get a construction management group on to lead us first through um some of the um communication piece and then all the way into a project if we are to go that far. So even if it was a maintenance project, if it's a building project, whatever it may be, they would be um working with the district through that whole process. So we put together this RFP. Um, I don't know if you had a chance to look it over. If anybody has any questions about it, if you want me to talk any more
007about it. I looked it over earlier. I didn't really see anything that stood out to me, but it looked pretty pretty straightforward. Um, and we tried to keep it shorter than the last one. Uh, any questions from you, Sam? if you had a chance to look at it. Craig, you got any questions on it? Um, just the high points. I guess the need for the construction manager would be to um help facilitate uh what P is trying to facilitate with with the district. Is that correct? Yeah, they would work together. So P would be doing design and then the con construction management group would be doing um the construction side of it if we were to go that far. But then in the pre-stages they provide communication help as well. So when we're going through
008these surveys and like just even trying to figure out what direction the board is going for sure they can help guide through that process. Do you have anything else that you would add to that Kevin? uh just that once we start going um P and even JP column to this point they've been using like general Craig go ahead I'll I'll let you go Craig you're muted if you were um talking Sorry about that. I was um I I just had a question about like um so the RFP would be to have them what kind of on retainer for now? Is that it? Because I mean we we still are trying to figure out what makes sense for the the district at this point. Right. Right. Um how would you explain that? Well, what what we'd
009be doing is we're we're looking for two services as part of this RFP. The first one is pre-referendum, which is where they provide pricing support to help get some real do some tighter dollar numbers to the different proposals that P might put forward and then be able to communicate that out to the community uh when there's questions on that. The second part is actually providing the construction management services in a GMP uh method for any project that is brought up. And this would be different from a construction consultant that would would be kind of overseeing those types of um operations or what like an owner's rep kind of situation. Yeah. I mean, like we had a consultant when we did a lot of like the air conditioning stuff and then we had a then we
010had a a general basically that would oversee everything else. I don't know. I guess I'm Wasn't that all CG Schmidt, Craig? I thought even the consultant side came from CG Schmidt. No, yeah, it's more than just CGMid. It was um Oh my gosh, I'm trying such a long Oh yeah. Yeah. Um I got you. You were right. Yeah. Oh, I can't think of what that company's called. I'm drawing a blank. Also, Michael Hacker. Mike Hacker from Kaden. Kaden's consultant. Uh, so no, this would not be the same method. Um, this would be we would not have an owner's rep at this point in this project. That would probably be something that if we had a successful referendum, we would then make a choice about whether we uh felt comfortable working with me representing the the
011district in communication uh with in daily communication with the construction manager uh what we felt about our relationship with the construction manager and if we if we felt that was needed or not. It would not preclude us from using an owner's rep at any means at this point, but it also doesn't tie us into using an owner's rep. Yeah, I think I remember vaguely the rationale behind why we did that at the time is we didn't have a um perhaps a secure uh we didn't have you Kevin in position at that time I guess. And then the other part was that we were trying to I mean Sarah was new to the role and we were also trying to look to um uh manage some of the uh o well the uh the the COVID
012relief funds the requirements of that as well if I remember correctly. I think you're right. Yeah, good memory, Greg. I I agree. Um, you know, I think, you know, my opinion as of today, right, I think Kevin is more than qualified to take us through the steps until Kevin comes to us and says, "Oh, I could use a hand, right?" And at that point in time to cross that bridge, but uh, you know, that's my opinion. I'm not saying it's gospel. I'm just saying it's my opinion. Uh, you know, if you guys are comfortable with that as well. Well, I just was trying to understand the steps in the process. I mean the when it comes to this particular RFP, it sounds as though we're looking to try to come up with some some numbers
013when it come more firm numbers when it comes to any type of direction that we want to go as a district when it comes to the uh potential building projects that are being like tossed around. and and or maybe there's another idea that this construction manager might have as well. Um is is that kind of the idea? So yeah, bringing them on at this point. um especially uh why why the design team really I think is asking to have the help of a construction manager come on now is that as they're designing things the construction manager might be able to say hey projecting out five years getting steel is going to be insane if we can use uh concrete masonry units for a larger part of the building we might be able to achieve cost
014efficiency or cost savings things like that and they also might look to get help with the constructibility of plan to say, you know what, on our site, you know, I just kind of picking out here, we want to build across the street from the high school. We're going to have to do a bunch of civil excavation there. That's going to drive the cost up. Maybe we want to look at moving it to a different part of the site or something like that. So, really, they're bringing in the the actual construction expertise that P doesn't have uh to help aid them in their design process. And that's why, you know, we we look to bring them on before we even have um the project like going or have a defined project because they might be able
015to help us realize a lot of cost savings or make sure the project is realistic before we even take it to the community. Greg, do you have any more questions on the RFP? Sam, do you have any questions on RFP? No. Um, I uh I I kind of hear what you're saying. It's like uh it's the difference between people who it's the difference between mathematics and applied mathematics kind of. you got to deal with like uh some real world knowledge, but if you have real world knowledge, it means you're not going to necessarily be have as in-depth an understanding of architecture and stuff like that. So that makes sense to me personally. I've worked with engineers and I always forget what the other group is called, but I know there's constant bickering between the two.
016The people who want it made perfectly and the people want it made so that it'll work reliably. And you got to find a middle ground between the two. Yes. And this uh this construction management company, this firm would then also provide some engineering experience then too that might be necessary or is that something that we would be expected to um go out to RFP at that time when we need it? Um usually so the design firm carries uh the mechanical, electrical, civil, um structural, they will carry a suite of engineers for the design and anything that is required to get like the state stamp of approval on any of our plans. the construction manager will probably put some money into their when they bring us that GMP, they will probably include in their their cost
017like a geotechnical engineer that will go out and actually do soil samples and any boring or anything like that. Uh the way I like to think about it, the services are if it's a design on paper, if it's a part of the paper design of the building, it usually falls under the architect's contract. If it's actually somebody with a shovel out in the field, that falls under the construction manager. So there they would provide the engineering services. It might not be the actual company doing the work. They might contract it out to a uh a different firm to do the engineering services, but it would be held in the con this construction manager's uh bid or in their contract. Right. Okay. But we we we haven't we haven't hired P officially for the architectural part
018of things. So that's what I'm I was kind of confused about. That's correct. Okay. But no, no, I guess to say no, we would not be looking um in a design um in in working with our our architect. If we do move to that area and we're ready to have P come in and start doing the design, we might utilize a process called design assist where the uh construction manager could ask the district if we wanted to enter in and bring a plumber uh um electrician or uh HVAC group or I suppose it could go even further, but those are the three main ones. They could ask us to go out to contract with one of those companies before we have a a drawing set so that we could get their advice and their assistance
019in the design of those portions of the project. But that would be a decision that would come later down the road and we would make that choice with the construction manager and with the the end the architect partner at that time. Now with that, would you be holding if we did something similar to that, would the district be holding the contract for say the electrical or plumbing, whatever we or would that still fall under construction management? The typically in a GMP, all of the contracts are going to fall under the construction manager. Um, in that case, it would they would probably not be taking a hard bid to a contractor. They would kind of be doing like we're doing and saying, "What's your percentage fee on design?" and then gosh cost and that's I'm not
020trying to say that we go down that route that is something that we you know I worked in one group um where it came it it was really helpful because we were going through some really difficult controls design and uh we needed the actual controls contractor on board to be able to do some of that work. There's also been things uh I've been involved in it where we basically rubber stamped or the the the electrical consultant that was brought on said, "Holy cow, your your electrical engineer was great. We have we do it exactly the same way." And it was kind of a wash. So that's that's why we got to weigh what what the construction manager thinks of the plans and how the design team feels about the work that their engineer did before
021we even go down talking about both. If that makes sense. Craig, did I answer your question? I'm sorry if I went on a bird walk there. Yeah. Yeah, it did it to an extent. I guess I'm just trying to wrap my heads around head around the process when it comes to uh specifically uh you know, if we're working with the public to try to understand where the public is at, you know, I I just don't want to be putting the cart before the horse if the public says that, you know, we don't really want to go forward with any of this. Um, and you know, but yet we're spending money on, you know, a construction manager to help us define what we what we want. I mean, we we we clearly are we just trying
022to seek I mean, obviously there has to be a conversation somewhere from the board as far as which direction we should go. And I'm I'm assuming this is part of that preliminary process um before we even go to the public with something. Is that correct? You are correct about that. So even if we signed it with the construction management group, that in no way um implies that there's going to be a project. We have that even in the RFP a couple times. We were really clear about that. So they might come in, they might help us with communication and we might get, you know, feedback from the public that that's not the way they want to go. And that would not I mean that would be completely fine. That's what we're looking for. That is
023what the agreement will eventually say with whoever we go with. Got it. Any further questions on the RFP? Hearing none, welcome. That will move forward then to Monday night as well. Preliminary budget. Okay. So, this month for the budget, I just I have a couple updates and then I did add the um draft budget that is in the format that the DPI requires to get published. So, you can see every fund in that format. Um so, that is new this month. And if we look at the um if you look at the what did I call it the budget notes there's just a couple things I wanted to highlight that changed. So we got an updated estimate on property values. I had been using 3% increases for property values and the updated estimate is 5.9%.
024So that makes the mill rate drop a little bit more yet. Um and then of course after the HR committee our 9% health insurance increase 7% which is good. that that created a little bit of savings. And so once I got um the benefits updated and then all of our new hires updated um and tweaked all of that, that puts us at about a $5.5 million projected deficit rather than a six and a half. So that's some positive news. Um other than that, everything is the same for this month. There are no other changes. Um, and then this is going to go to the board to get approved prior to the final budget, which is the um, statute that's required by statute. And then in October, we'll get our final number. So, we'll know the
025final revenue amounts. Um, though that should be the only thing that changes between now and October. We'll get the pupil count done. Next week, I think is the pupil count or it says Friday. And then um we'll get the final property values and we'll get the final equalization aid amount. So that will put the finishing touches on the budget. So the only thing you really should expect to see change between now and next month is the revenue side. So, a few I want to say it was like a couple years ago, we as a committee um came up with a recommendation to when when the when the property valuation came in, it was very different from uh from what we were expecting as far as the mill rate was concerned. and we made a decision
026to uh low go with a lower mill rate at that time. Is that some is that something that we're going to be faced with this time around? There's not that much of a change when it comes to um when it comes to um the property value valuation. It will make the mill rate go down. And I was trying to dig around and see how much of this increase is new new building, new property. And it doesn't seem like much of it is. It's it's like in the 1% range. So that means like people's properties went up. So even though the mill rate's going to go down, the actual tax bills are probably not going to go down very much. So if I remember if I remember logistically correctly um the the valuation of the properties
027went up, mill rate was the same because or or what we could levy for taxes was the same, right? And we chose to how did that work? I remember right now you're stretching my brain again. If I remember right, we we lowered the mill rate um which lowered taxes. We were able to do it because we had a budget surplus yet, right? Um and and since we didn't need the money, we we relieved taxpayers of some of that burden that would have been there otherwise knowing full well that we're going to have to at some point in time uh need money in the future, but at least saved the public when we could, right? So maybe like the district didn't levy as much as they could have levied them. Correct. That makes sense to me.
028Yeah. So then this is a situation where property values have gone up or increased and yet we're just keeping the mill rate the same. We're assuming that this Well, I it's my assumption that we would still we would levy as much as the district can levy since we're looking at a deficit. Okay. But the mill rate will go down. The total levy is going to stay the same. The mill rate will go down because the property value is higher. Right. Right. And you can only level or or levy. Right. There's a ceiling on what you can levy. Okay. Yeah. I think I have it I can't remember if I have it in here somewhere if it's in the presentation I was making for next month. But if you look at the overall levy for the
029last four years, it stayed very consistent within a couple hundred,000. It's like right around the $20 million mark. Oh, right. Sam, any questions? No, it's uh making sense to me as much as it can after being on the board for a few months. So, I get it. I'm following along. I think that's pretty good. Okay. Yes. I don't for some reason I am not grabbing my administrative content the way I should. I don't understand. You got to log out. Log back in again. Oh, here we go. Sorry. I should say too, so this this budget is proposing um prepaying debt again this year to try and keep the mill rate a little bit higher to keep the levy the same in hopes that we do then pass an operational and that gives us like that
030little bit of room. Okay. Um so right now I have it I I'm still working out the final number of what we can do because we're actually very close to paying all the debt off. Um, but that is included in here. If you look at the fund 38 and fund 39, it's a higher um, debt payment to prepay some debt. And that we've talked about in the past as well. Um, if there's no further questions, this will move forward. All right, going on to planning calendar. I like this. We're moving along nice, especially being two meetings. I didn't make any changes to the calendar. Um, I think that I was trying to remember if we talked last month about the fact that we no longer need that 660301 agreement with Houston School District. So, I
031took that off. Um, but that was the only change that was made to this. Oh, and I did add in March putting in a budget planning timeline. So, we can put in a timeline for the whole year. Anything else that you guys think we should see on our calendar? I've got an opinion. I'm still stuck on the preliminary budget, but that's just me. Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, I started doing the same thing and then no, I don't want to sit here till 9:30. So, yeah. And if you want to sit here till 9:30, you can. um budget and tax levy alder contract which okay in your capital improvement and plan plan um so in December when we discussed the uh 10ear capital improvement plan I mean I know that we were we we worked with
032one in the past but uh with the P and kind of identifying some of those needs and um what we're hoping to accomplish with u an operational referendum. That seems like that's going to be very much up in the air, right? I mean, there's going to be a a lot of work that's going to go into a 10ear capital improvement plan. Uh, what do we hope to accomplish by discussing that in December? I guess my assumption is that's going to stay pretty fluid is my assumption. Yeah, I think I think we're going to have a much better idea of what the real capital needs are for the next 10 years because of the work that P did and upper 90. Um, I know we have a few different versions of that 10-year capital plan coming
033into this. We've both seen different versions. So, I think that we'll be able to have a more solid version. And then I know we won't know what we're going to do yet, like if we're going to address all that maintenance with a referendum. What I mean, there's a lot up in the air, but it at least will give us more of a actual um plan to work with. Like, these are real dollars that we're going to need over the next 10 years, assuming everything stayed status quo. Yeah. Plus, we need board approval of a 10-year plan in order to stay within the requirements for fun. Good point. So, we have to have something that's approved. And I mean at some point I mean as a committee we probably should we should probably discuss that as
034far as like do we kind of stick to the um status quo type of situation. you know, if we if we are trying to maintain the status quo, do we approve a 10-year capital improvement plan based on that information or do we have like maybe a plan B, which is this is what we would do if we were to receive an operational referendum and a plan C. This is what we would do if we receive a um operational referendum plus a capital improvement um style referendum. I don't know what Yeah, I think I I think I understand what you mean. So we would be like different scenarios of how much funding we would have right in those years. Yeah, because I mean it it seems like I don't want the capital improvement plan just to
035be like a formality. I I'd really like to have it be something meaningful that we could use when we need to use it. Um I don't know and it's like it's impossible to plan for the future sometimes when you don't know what the public wants um to do uh wants us to do as a district moving forward. So uh do we then just make the assumption that If this is the status quo, this would be our 10-year capital improvement plan. And I don't think we can maintain the status quo, we we have to make some decisions, hard decisions, too. You know what I mean? Yeah. I mean, if we were to maintain the same level of funding that we have right now. Yeah. And then the needs that we know that we have in the
036next 10 years, it isn't really possible, right, to to pay for all of that with the funding that we have. But it is possible to think what can we do with the funding that we have and what is the priority? What should we be working on first? And and is December when that 10-year capital improvement plan is due or is that No, I think we threw December out just because it gives time then to plan for summer projects. Okay. To get that kind of stuff in place. That really was the only thinking behind it. Sure. I just want to know how much time we have to like start wrapping our minds around some of that planning I guess in which case we would have to adapt our calendar. All right. Yeah. And I think just
037like you say that it it is a fluid plan. It's not like once you say this is a good plan, it's you can't change, right? It can certainly change. All right. And we will move on if good questions. Great. Uh we'll move on to monthly reports. So it's really kind of early for the variance report to really mean anything anyway, right? So a little bit. I guess I noticed I was going to say I noticed that right now it looks like payroll is running high and I just checked payroll dates and it's because we had one more payroll already so far this year. Okay. Additional teacher teacher additional what is that? And on general expense 110 I get 1867% FTE. Which one? Uh, line 118. What was here? 117. Oh, yeah. I'll have to look
038at that one. Additional time cards. I can look into that and get back to you. Sure. Any other concerns on any of the monthly reports? Bridges. Uh looks like we made a purchase for Bridges May. There's been a lot of curricular purchases going through lots of er spending. Um we're going to do that. I should have mentioned that on the planning calendar portion. We were talking about doing a um like a final ESR wrapup report in November. Okay. If that works for you. So after the budget is done um in November, we can talk about it and um everything has to be spent by December. So it all has to be obligated by the end of this month and then spent in December. sound good to me. Yeah. All right. Sam, any Did you have
039time to look at the reports? Yeah. Yeah. I I I the only question I have is I guess um do we have a is there a separate report for like library purchases because I noticed that none of these include like library purchases per se? Um I guess not every month there's not library purchases every month pay. So you would only have like a fund. That's a good point. So the way that you we track library purchases is they have their own project code because it's the common school fund. So we have to track it that way. So I I don't know how it would appear in this report like it's probably lumped in with whatever else it would be if it's like tech purchases or um supplies. Sure. Sure. Because I mean I' I've seen
040from time to time in like the Amazon purchases I have seen like books and stuff like that, but I wasn't sure if those were for classrooms or for library use. I know that what they it's a little bit tricky with the library because we never know exactly how much funding we're getting until almost the very end of the fiscal year. And so a lot of times you'll see a lot of purchases come through in those last couple months. And I think that that's what happened last year. Sure. Sure. Okay. Well, that's uh that's pretty much it. That's the only question I have. Fair enough. The um disagreements. I'm just going back to the calendar again. I'm sorry. Oh, no. That's fine. Dance around and we and we can go back to the calendar, but uh
041if we're good on monthly reports, I think moving forward with that as well. Uh do you have any other questions on the calendar or anything, Greg? Or Yeah, in so in June we have um a preliminary budget discussion and then maintenance agreement for HVAC environmental systems preventive maintenance program uh NAMI. Uh so in the past I know we've had you know within the last couple years we had discussions about like maintenance agreements in general like where we maybe review those types of um agreements and see if it if it's necessary to um have have a different contractor pick up those maintenance agreements um just to make sure that we're getting the best pricing available on those types of agreements. Because for instance, you have a maintenance contractor that comes in on a regular basis and
042we know that that those amounts will always be over the $20,000, you know, for the service that they provide. Um, and it's such a cumulative thing. And as a part of practice, um it was suggested in years past that we uh review whether do like a check on on our contractors and vendors to make sure that they're they're being honest in their pricing uh quotes to us as a district and uh review that. Was that intent the intention behind that June discussion or are we uh I I know I I would expect that that's probably part of part of the role anyway to be be trying to review those purchases and of our contractors. But um I think I can remember talking before about maybe having some sort of a schedule of send putting things
043out to bid when possible. Is is that kind of what you mean? like well well for instance like we'll have general maintenance contractors that will serve the district and um we'll just say it's a printer contractor that their job is to repair the printers you know and yeah we have a specific contract for print the printer services I'm not I'm just using that as an example though um their job is to come in and fix that And um sometimes we get we get set in that specific contractor that we we aren't aware of other value out in the marketplace. That could be um that could help our taxpayers rationalize that. Um, we're doing our part to double check to make sure that those prices are the lowest prices that and the best qualified contractor also.
044I mean, that's a factor, not just the cheapest, but the best qualified. Um, and it would make sense to review that sort of agreement on a regular basis. I I think I understand what you mean. And I think for some things we may do that every year like depending on what it is. And some things, you know, we maybe have like a 5-year agreement with the copier company and when that agreement is up, we would go out to bid again, right? Um, and then some of this stuff I I'm Tom was talking out of my glass, but I think that, you know, it's like proprietary and some of it we can't really change. Is that accurate? Well, you could, but it would be at a cost. Yeah. The two that are on here specifically are
045um HVAC system and the fire protection systems are proprietary, right? Doesn't necessarily mean like like we had a three-year agreement with NAMI for our uh HBAC um maintenance contract, right? Because they service the Schneider Electric products that we use in a majority of the schools. That's not to say that we couldn't bring in a different contractor and you know I mean as part of what you're going to see in our our our you know facility assessment our controls are very out ofd right so that's not to say that we couldn't bring in a different contractor as part of that project that would bring in a new control system offhand I like without a major project we wouldn't be able to No but I guess I guess what I'm saying is I'm sure we We employ
046a electrician on a regular basis. Yep. And we probably hire the same electrician most of the time, you know, but is it is it that instance where we we look and possibly check that around, you know, or or we hire a plumber or we hire elevator service technic uh technical company and there's probably multiple companies but very limited. Um those sorts of things. Uh to kind of answer your question, we it's kind of played by what it is, right? Right. Right now we have a a water heater at Verside Middle School that's on it last replaced three years ago. Um so not really happy about that. Right. But that when I when we replace that water heater, it's probably not going to be 20,000 now, but it's going to be a major expense. It's going
047to be over 10. Right. Right. So that's a situation where we're calling around to different plumbing contractors having them come in and give us quotes because we know it's going to be a pretty big cost. If it's replacing a hose bib that's leaking outside, that's going to be a small dollar cost. I need somebody to come in and fix it as fast as I can because I don't want water spraying outside or or have to be able to shut off faucet and stuff like that, right? So you kind of make a decision based on whether it is uh number one what the emergency or what the the emergence of the issue is how fast we need to get it fixed and then number two just using our you know how much is this going to
048be and um you know if it's pretty expensive we know that we're going to want to get three quotes just to keep folks honest with yourself I guess I'm looking at it at it from kind of a oneoff situation where we hire we're hiring if we hire the same contractors regularly. We want to be making sure that, you know, we're we're looking at that situation and um making sure that those charges are reasonable and uh that we're also not we're not um being exclusive to one vendor over the course of like 10 years. Maybe we maybe we need to be looking at that more regularly. That sort of thing. I don't know. if I'm hearing correctly from Kevin, I think you guys are both saying the same thing just in different verbiage like like yeah,
049it is looked at every so often. Um, but then it also depends on the project too. I mean, if if ABC come and fix the B real quick and they're local and right, you know, go ahead and use them. Uh, if it's if it's going to be a major thing, you know, like you're saying. I mean, I think I think you guys are both saying the same thing that yeah, they're looked at, but if it's something like super quick and it's a $100 fix, it's it just it's fixed right now. I don't think anything $100. Well, I don't think so either. You're not. All right, fair enough. Um, with that being said, looking at action items minus going all the way into June, right? Uh, but for next month, I don't think there's any action
050items that came up today. Uh so with that being said, uh unless there's any further questions, next meeting is October 23rd and we would be adjourned at 7:46 unless there's more questions. 746.