Amityville BOE Policy Mtg 9/29/2025

001I see want to start with parental involvement one. Are there any recommended changes for the parental involvement? >> I did not have any. So >> the existing um the existing policy is based on the requirements that we have for the title branches. >> Um we read through it. There was nothing that we thought needed to be >> any any changes to change knowledge. Um, we had looked at that policy in July, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. And then it just never went for a first reading, >> I guess. Not just not >> um Okay. And legal review of this you said or >> it it has not gone to legal yet. >> So, okay. Okay. It's usually what happens that we we do the policy first and we make some suggested changes then we'll ship

002it over to to read the report and >> I just asked him you started. >> Yes. >> We just started. >> You can't hear me? >> Not you. It's my hearing. I I should have bought what I usually do is zoom it so I could hear what you're saying. >> Yeah. Um so we re we review it first. We send it to legal with any suggested changes and then they take a look at it. >> Okay. >> I think that it would probably be more optimized if legal looks at it first. >> Well, sometimes what happens sometimes working with a document that's compliant with >> Well, sometimes what happens is that we we make changes when we when we're doing that when we're in the policy committee meeting. So, sometimes when we make changes, the

003changes may not be um appropriate. So, we make changes and then we give it to legal legal gives it feedback when you go from there. So, so are you open to doing it the other way because I I just feel like it would be better use of our time if legal looks at the document first. So, if there if there are certain policies that are new policies that I'm I'm absolutely fine with that, but there are certain policies that we've had in place for a number of years. So, if we're going to make changes to a policy, um then it's something that I would say we make the changes and then submit it to legal. But it's like for example, there's some new policies that we have on the agenda tonight that we have to

004review um that we had as first readings. Those policies were sent to legal already. But if it's an existing policy, so we we can go back and forth. It doesn't make a difference. So let's go back to those 1900. Any suggestion chang >> it doesn't make have to go to legal after we review it anyway, isn't it? >> Both Yeah, both ways. So if we send it to them twice, isn't that going to poke us more money for them reviewing it twice instead of just >> us doing it? >> So you're okay. So you're going with the alternative with what Lisa is saying? >> I read like the policy like we have a policy on policies. >> So >> and it it's it's I read it earlier. >> So let's let's not be caught up

005in this portion. 1900 any questions or change for 1950? We want to send it to you later. That that's the question. >> No changes. >> What is the required local notice >> that that's connected to um where we have to submit the notifications? So the newspapers like right now it's the Herald uh whatever our our our advertisements are notifications to local newspapers. That's what it is because it's not on all of it. Right. What do you mean on 1900 you're talking about? Well, all like all of the policies that we're reviewing tonight, it's not necessarily on the header for each of them. >> I'm not sure what you mean. >> That's up in the top on the header. The required, the local, and the oldest. >> Oh, I'm sorry. I miss I misunderstood what you

006were saying. >> Um, is some of the policies are maybe new, some may be revised. So, that when once a policy is ready to go up, then that information goes up. I'm not too sure what's um required is um policies that we have to have legislation, right? Some of them are when it's local, that's something that a policy that we can't have. So by law, there's certain policies that all school districts have to have. So that's the required portion. The local is that okay, in our school district, we have this policy, but it's not required. the notice. I guess it's title one for parental involment. >> Yeah, this is old title one, but it's it's papers that you give out. >> Um, I'm not if there's any I'll see our clerk has any handouts for

007you. So, we can double check it as if it's required. I think it may be one of the required policies and these are things that are updated and looked at before they they're put up on board docs whether it's it's required or this is just the agenda. >> Okay. I just want to understand with me but I >> maybe let's get I'm not I'm not tempted whatsoever. I'm just I'm just explaining to you what I believe what's meant by required from local right and required is like I stated and what I'm just I'm just saying to you the process involved with it that once we review the um the policy it goes over to legal then then it comes back to us and we review that to see if we can accept any of the

008changes. Some of it may be some of we have to accept. Sometimes it's recommendation. And then it's the district clerk responsibility then to make sure up the top here that that's all correct here. And then on the bottom as well that um if there's any references that are there, the adoption date and any revision here that that all that is updated. So I'm just explaining the process to fulfill. >> Okay. I still would think that we would be more streamlined if the if we go reviewed it first. Um there was something as I already gave comments on this in July, but do we have a school improvement plan team this year or we we don't have any schools that are required to have them this year? >> Okay. Because Park Avenue had correct now. We

009don't have any. >> Okay. Thank you. Right. >> Any other questions about the 1900 one? >> No. So we're going to go to 6240. and the R. So I'll give the little achievement for this item >> looking at 6240. >> Oh 6240. >> Yes. >> And we reviewed these with legal. So their their notes are are there for your >> okay >> comment. So there most of this was kind of temptated sort of language was one change we had regarding you know investments where it's really only the treasurer designated to make investments on behalf of the district. There's no other party authorized to do that. So that was the only input we had. Is that very the district treasures authorized? So on 6240 in the first paragraph where it says in accordance with this policy

010the treasurer, chief fiscal officer or other officer that's referring to. >> Yeah, that has to be treasury. >> So So the the one that's in red should come out. >> Yes. >> Well, well the regulation couldn't we just change it? Does it have to be just the treasure? because that was a comment I question I had >> in discussing it with legal and I did review these with legal. It's my opinion that the treasur is a custody function. They have custody of the cash and no one else is authorized to have custody to make those investments. That's the treasur's primary function for you is to maintain custody and control over your cash. So I think it's appropriate that the policy reads treasurer. As a chief financial officer, I don't have custody over the cash. I

011can see everything but I can't do anything with it and that is >> a pretty fundamental internal control. So the recommendation is to go strictly with treasurer and that is the way it is working internally during the office. >> Okay. But the what legal had suggested that you put expand it >> legal put the language in there that came with the royal click so that we could have this discussion. >> The district treasurer is a consultant. No. >> Third party. >> No, the district treasurer is someone that they're not a third party. I think they're they're appointed every year. >> Correct. They're appointed by the court. >> Yes. >> But do they are they an employee or are they a third party? Because I thought I they were a third party. >> I don't know.

012I don't think that matters whether they're play paid as a as a contractor or as an employee. They're still the board's designated >> custody office. >> I understand. I'm just curious. I'm not sure whether they're employee or consultant. >> They're not they're not full of consultant. I think they're they're actually they're not we we appoint them. So I don't think the title is as as a consultant. So I think that they not I know they have always been appointed every year. So and they're being paid by the district in their role as a treasure. >> Okay. Maybe we can discuss. I'm just curious. I thought it was like a contract contract employee. >> It it is a there's a contract I believe that they do have. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, because my

013I guess my preference would be it would be an employee of the district. >> So, the treasurer is considered an an employee because we're hiring the treasur for that for that for that purpose. So, it's you can't you can't you can't talk. So, so the keys is legal is saying is saying to is recommended to to put it in >> treasurer. >> So legal legal is recommended treasurer but the language of chief fiscal officer or other officer that that is language that's come with >> it came templated with the policy. >> Okay. So so come simply with a policy but legal recommended that that language comes out. >> So it's SJ. So isn't that Garcio? >> Yes, it was legal. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So they put it in, right? Right. They put it in

014legal put it in. Yeah. >> As I have with Shannon, the only person in the that is authorized to move cash is the district. >> And that's what legal is suggesting as it should be. >> Absolutely. >> It would be inappropriate for me to be able to move cash. So, it's one it's one of those things that once again this is we can take it as is and we we can give it to the board and say that legal's recommending that we leave the um leave just have it as treasurer but the template for it has treasur fiscal officer or other officer and I think we just need to clarify with legal what will be the if if we want to leave it in just get a little bit of explanation so we can always

015come back to that you know what I mean and whatnot but recommendation is to where it could be removed. So, it's something that we can always come once again this is just us reviewing the policy. We still we can send it back to legal and say, "Hey, we have a question. We're concerned as a board members that it's just a treasurer. Can we leave the chief fiscal officer in there or someone else?" Um, our finance and operation person saying that it can just be treasur so we can get um we can get feedback from >> so who is going to get that feedback? So what we're going to do what usually what we what we do is that once we make we have a discussion on it we finalize what our words are and then

016from that point as a policy committee we can send it over to legal. So it's come it will go from the entire policy committee over to legal and say we have some questions on policy number 6240. The language >> that's okay I don't need you to repeat it. I just want to know who he's going to do. So, as I'm going to finish my statement is this that with policy 6240 we can summarize what we want to have >> and in the email and that can come from all of us. I can ask Amory as our district clerk to yes as our district clerk to to send it over to legal. >> So, what we will do is that we just need to summarize what our question is for legal. So, our question for legal

017for 6240 is the following. Um it it has in here treasurer, chief fiscal officer or other officer. Right. Our question is um in our discussion the recommendation was to take out um chief fiscal officer or other officer. Our question is can we leave it in? Is that is that a question that we haven't? That's my understanding. >> Megan is that your question? >> My question was is the district clerk like a consultant? That was my question. The district clerk. >> The treasurer. Correct. So, so because I would prefer it be like the officer but are they paid by a W2 there? It's a contract. >> We have to look and be an employee. >> So, the contract doesn't make it an independent contract. >> It could be in contract for an employee. >> So, we

018we'll take a look at that. So the question Megan you want to know is it's more about the judge but I think that's and then it's just confusing that the attorney put the text in but we're being told to take the text out. So that's okay I guess just to clarify that. >> So in your question just tell me what your question said we commission we have. >> Legal suggested that we add chief fiscal officer or other officer but now we're being told no that's not the case. So >> but you had a question about the treasur. What is your question about the treasure? >> I'm just curious. I thought they were a third party question. >> Is this person a third party? >> And then that that's number one. And then number two, your

019second question is um why is legal recommending that chief fiscal officer other officer come come in? They edited the document and it's in but now we're being told to take it out. So I just just clarify that. Okay. Just Yeah. So you have that just to clarify why they added in chief fiscal officer or other officer. So everyone's clear on that. >> Yes. >> Okay. When you say third party that question was independent saying yes for the treasurer, >> right? Everyone, any other comments on this one here? Then we have to go go to legal. >> All right. So, we're going to go to 6240R. Mr. Snder, do you have no acceptable exist to the administration leader? So this doesn't have a previous adoption date on it. So you're saying that legal has reviewed this

020version, right? >> Yes, ma'am. >> On the last page, audit operations audit and reporting. There's discussion about a competitive process through telephone solicitation. Um, and I'd like to see that expanded to be electronic. not telephone based uh soliciting of bids. So should I suggest changes then you you're on page five? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Which number two has it? F2. So you're saying not not only telephone solicitation but also via email >> electronic. >> So telephone. >> Yeah. I don't think I don't think telephone >> very antiquated. That's why I don't like it would be nice if we knew what this dated back to document. >> Um I can pull up on because there's no previous adoption date. >> Well I'm going to pull up on board docs. So when legal reviews it, do they

021like would we ask them to compare it to like an updated NISPA template or are they just reviewing our 12 15 year old policy and then determining if there's anything that's an issue? So to answer your question, we just want to get to the policy. I'm not too sure what if they review it with the um updated policy. I can only answer that question on any not too sure. >> In this case, they I believe they took the NISPA template policies and incorporated some of the changes that you see. >> Okay. So, they took this one. We spent a considerable amount of time looking at these investment policy. >> Okay. Great. >> This was actually a telephone. This was adopted in March 2014 and then updated in November 2023. >> Okay. So this one was

022okay. >> So this one. Yes. Last two box. Okay. I'm sorry. >> So you were able to see that on board docs but not this hard copy. Why is it different? >> It's the same thing. It's just that they just took this to they probably pulled it out, put it into like a word document to make changes. So, um, this is this has probably changed is recommended to change this. >> Yeah. But why would they wouldn't take the footer off, right? With the previous adoption dates that that I don't know. They wouldn't have taken it off. Well, they wouldn't take it off. It's just probably how it was sent. I'm not too sure. Not too sure. But it is if you look at the Palestine I'm sorry. It's having pops. Right. So, the 6240R that's

023on the on our computer, if you look at it, it is the um look at the different sections. Go back. So, authorized investments, it has ABC in there, right? Um, I mean, yeah, it looks the same. It's just interesting that the footer would fall up and so Okay. Only thing I'm hearing is electronics. So on page number five, Emory, page number five, F2, it says um sale of securities through a competitive process involving electronic solicitation. >> I just want to say something emailed the proposed changes to Shannon. So the 6240R um that was sent over to her, it has it's wording differently. So anything you see in orange is added by Shannon, >> right? Yes. >> Okay. And there was an adoption date and it's deleted from what Shannon said because we're going to have

024new adoption date. I don't know why the previous ones he didn't but yeah it's leaving it by stand on right so when we um when you go to update the nose thing do we leave the last adoption dates that are there and just add addition right um 67 any other questions you know these are things that will all added in by leaving >> so they added under collateral number four y >> two yep Um or B it's talking about international banks. Do we have any involvement with international banks? >> I don't even know if there's any market for it if we have legal like just add stuff that comes from NISA but doesn't mean we do. Our banks are all local and regional. Wouldn't feel like it wouldn't that put us at some kind of

025a risk to go international banking? Are we safer just keeping it global? >> It's a fair question, sir. I mean, it would seem intuitively to be like, yeah, that would add an element of risk and we don't do it. So, the policy is is there, but it doesn't mean that we're doing that. Everything we're doing is with local regional banks. >> So, we we um >> yeah, we have the we have the option of taking it out. >> Yeah. So we want to take it out. We can recommend to the board that we want to remove that. >> So Amry, what what's good sometimes is that if we um just kind of strike through it and just say recommended to remove that particular section was the international banks. >> Okay. Where was it? >> It's

026on page two. The list >> is 4B. Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments about 6240 ARP? >> Um 6700 purchased, do you have any recommendable changes? >> Just the recommendation here is that a name be in policy for the purchasing agent. Currently, that's me. The external auditors agree that the name of the purchasing agent should be in policy. Makes it a little cumbersome. Should there be change in turnover, but the recommendation there is for an actual name of the purchasing agent. >> So on on page one where it says purchasing agent. So we would then identify as the Richard >> the actual name. >> Not even just the title, >> not the title. Did we appoint you as a purchasing agent at the real meeting? I don't recall that. >> I'm looking with

027my phone. I'm looking to see if I see something on the deal with me. I'm not looking at my phone for another purpose. >> So, it says here who is a person is included include his or her title. >> Can we just put the title? >> I think for now you can leave it as the title and I'll just again pose the question to Gers. So should this be a name? >> Yeah, >> in this case I believe I am the designated purchasing a district. >> Okay. So we're recommending that um the purchasing purchasing agent and I don't know the language shall be the assistant superintendent for finance and operation. Wait, agent shall be the assistant superintendent of finance operations and will be designated by the board of education. Does that make sense? >> Hope

028so. >> I think so. I just don't recall identifying the person agent. >> We can look into that. >> It's me. >> So, we did say >> you did. >> Okay. >> The question is I I think we'd want legal to formally weigh as whether or not my name needs to appear in policy. It's a little cumbersome, but I heard that from audit that the name needs to be there. >> Right. So, what we'll do, we will um so Emry, when you type it up, we'll put the title in and then just say you can make a note in there that states um that the auditor recommended to put the absent person's name in. Do we need to do >> is the title sufficient? Any any additional questions or comments on page one? >> No.

029>> Any comments about the comments on page two? >> Um, yeah. I mean, the green New York all it's going to do is raise the cost of any of the work >> just as we have the like whenever feasible. So, how are we going to decide >> it's economically feasible? when it's right, which may not be I agree. >> That's what I I sort of remember that >> for a green planet, but it is. >> I mean, I'm an environmental engineer and I'm saying that. So, I and um >> I think I remember when we were interviewing the the uh district engineer or architects, they were like, "Yeah, no, we don't. >> But we build, right?" >> And that definitely, but this is the Green New York. I guess we can leave it in. It's

030just kind of vague. It's like whenever feasible >> and and it also states that the district has the option to include this objective or not. So we we can we can take it in or we can leave it in or out. >> Yeah. It continues as an option >> if it ever somehow becomes financially feasible. >> Right. >> Well, I guess you'd have to like get two prices like with or without it. Like that's is right because this guy >> it's available green products on the next look at green cleaning spots but these ones are closer to the roof compared to the >> well this is we say we do that already green cleaning >> try >> okay >> all right I mean let's leave it I just Yeah. >> Um that's next paragraph under

031it like opportunities will be grided to all responsible suppliers to do business with the school district. The statement about suppliers who place a business is situated within the district may be given pre preferential consideration. I I don't I don't know. It seems to I don't I don't like like may like just like leaving it up for interpretation. So what is your recommendations to take it out? So it won't be will be just take out the whole sentence. >> So like if identical in price, quality, and other factors like there's too many like variables. Like if it's identical in price, then I guess leave it right there. then like you would say yes, we'll choose the local business. But I kind of like the concept. I like the idea of the the quality because the price

032may be good but the quality is not good then well this is saying giving preferential treatment to local businesses. >> Right. But it's saying that um when the correct giving when when when bids or quotations on an item of service are identical as to price, quality and other factors. So >> yeah, >> other factor could be you call them and they deliver it in 10 minutes versus somebody that's in Westbury and it takes 45 minutes to get something depending what the item is. >> I think it's like qualitative. It's it there's room for interpretation. So I like things that are just clearcut if this is going to be the guiding policy rather than leaving it up to oh well I other factors that's all I >> so what is your recommendation to strike that >>

033I would just take it out but I hear that you don't >> either want to be want >> so just wouldn't say that we're just having a conversation on it so your recommendation is supplies whose place business situ situated within district that whole sentence you recommend your suggestion this is already to come out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So what we do we just um we make a notation and just say in the policy committee this was a suggestion to remove this sentence. If the board agrees to remove it then then it then it comes out. So we're we're just making recommendations to the board. So anyone can make a recommendation or do we know what other factors there might be? Could we spell that out a little bit? So that in Mr. Schneider, do you

034know anybody about delivery? It's the only other factor I could consider made, non-American made things like that quality. >> Yeah. Good. Right. You're giving preferential treatment all other things being equal to an ind district vendor is something I've seen before. It's not abnormal, but other factors would leave it to the judgment of the purchase agent. >> Right. >> Thanks. I like a clear cut. I don't that's me. I uh did >> I think if we define other factors it could kind of take out the gray area of >> improper preferential treatment. >> Let's not put that in there. >> Yeah. >> If you want to say price, quality, source of manufacturing and delivery. >> All right. >> Does that cover it? >> Yeah. >> So, are we saying we want American me? I guess that's

035a different I know you >> or policy. Yeah, I'm just saying um it's just >> maybe take out source of manufacturing >> just I would just if it was going to say price and delivery. >> So um Ambry we can do this two ways. We can say the recommendation was to keep the sentence in but add take out the word other factors and add delivery >> would like a their warranty factor in >> and then the other recommendation is to um remove it. >> You could but >> remove it. So, we may have to do like two >> like a lower quality product, but they'll guarantee and they'll the better warranty and they'll just replace it 5,000 times, >> right? So, we'll um it's it's up to we just, you know, we'll give both offices

036more than I'm adding in warranty or >> something like that. Probably what we'll do is this language first goes over to the um to legal to make sure that's okay. So if we leave it in then the recommendation is identify as the price quality warranty and delivery um or we remove the sentence out completely. So it'll be here. Any other questions on page two or comments on page two? Any comments on page three of the green purchasing? Those the three anything on >> well the um the clean the cleaning products is we don't specify to use like paints and sealants with low VOCC's or like where is that's something that I like when we were doing the walkthrough in the buildings right before school started and I was like I'm just very sensitive to chemical

037smells like I didn't see anything in here like we just have it as freedom cleaning products. So maybe it's a so I mean I could come up with a paragraph I guess but >> it would be like for paints and sealants too. Low VOC is a like toxic chemicals you breathe in when you have like the paints. >> Yeah. >> I'm just I'm looking at assume where it could go in my my that's what I'm so my my expression is like perfect. >> So maybe it's something that we can make a notation and then we can have take a look at to see where it could per where we going in this part of the um give and provide language. Okay. Because it says like cleaning and maintenance. So that's where I was saying like

038maintenance is like >> what number are you opening up? >> No, page three. >> Page three. Uh the environmentally sensitive cleaning products to uh C1 and the second line harmful chemicals and substance using cleaning and maintenance. So language which includes what did you say maybe includes >> paint oh >> BC it's a volatile organic compound that stands for you have that in word Yes. So the question for legal will be how what would be the proper language that could be developed to be put in here and it would be at the end of that sentence or wherever they feel would be appropriate. Yeah. Anything else on page three? Page four. Um, American Souls. I I just again with the May I mean I don't know. I'm I'm a cut and drying. So, do we want

039American sold? Do we not like may give a preference to suppliers? I mean I >> it's not a big or break this policy. I just reviewing it. Um, >> is there like is American rock salt like I don't even know if it's is it all pure salt or is there other chemicals in there? I don't know enough about it to really >> we should have one over the other. >> It says this section was added as a statute was referenced in the policy. So we can always just ask to provide clarity on this statute as the policy. So we usually add as a statute. >> Yeah. I >> So we can we can ask Yeah. >> Okay. >> I'll just ask clarity on this. So clear why added n why use the word me. So

040we're going to ask for clarity on this on the sentence and then also why was the um why was the word made? Anything else? and additionally boils. >> Yes, I I definitely like the electronic format. >> Says electronic format is not required, but it's up to the board. >> I think it should be electronic format. on the violence before it was they they put that in which makes me think there was another one that was talking about I I guess the language could be electronic format or the other one you were talking about >> um for you guys to let me down >> yes electronic format on page it was the 6240R are on phase five. Um phase five, you're talking about a dollar amount. Says very small procurements. >> So that one kind of

041hit me because I said maybe provide a dollar amount. any recommended dollar amount that we could put in there was considered very small and we'll pract American salt preference. The district may award contracts for rock salt or sodium chloride whether or not subject to competitive bidding to a responsible and reliable supplier of rock salt or sodium chloride that is mine handh harvested in the United States as long as the offer is within 10% of the lowest price or best value offer. >> Oh, what you just pulled that from a different >> Yeah, I just looked up far. >> Yeah. So it's right but that's that gives more definition to it like the within 10% because this is just arbitrary we may use American mind sold like >> this also says may so they >> well

042they do it to the 10% like but they use 10% though right they like more of a >> more boundaries of >> yeah it's lowest lowest 10% of the lowest price or best value offer Okay, >> we're going to ask you to provide more details on that one as well. >> All right, so um very small procurements. So they say add an amount. What what is what will be a what would be an amount? >> We know refer back to the board, but >> okay. I don't know. I I just said $5,000. >> Did you say what number you're on again? >> Um we're we're still on 62700. Page five. >> 6700 still. >> Yeah. >> Said page five though. >> Page five. >> Is that one that only knew about because online is based

043on the book? >> Um yeah, there's some additions that were added to it. >> Okay. fine. >> Um I for some reason I feel with Christ is I honestly I don't I can't speak to this. I don't know. I don't know a good numbers. I don't know if it's five. I don't know if it's 10. I I don't even want to say um have you seen anything in terms of number ranges? Anyone? I'm off the top of my head I would say 5,000 seems reasonable because a lot of time these the things we're buying are already on bids and contracts already. So I would agree that for purpose of the discussion and moving us to the board 5,000 is a good place >> okay >> to start I can get a little more feedback on

044that but when Miss me said five grand I was like you know that probably is a reasonable thing to have in politics has to extent we have a really even use bingale has dollar I don't know when they adopted this but >> purchase contracts up to 20,000 uh contracts from 1,00 up to 1,500 verbal quotes documentation. It's like there's a bunch of information there, but >> yeah, >> when we're getting quotes, there's forms of >> All right. So, we'll put in we'll say we'll put in 5,000. Um, I'm trying to look. There's like a conflict of interest statement in here. I feel like it could be a little bit Which page I don't know. I Let me find it. Oh, it's on the last page. Uh, the third paragraph. No board member, officer or employee

045of the school district will have an interest in any contracts entered into by the board or the district as provided in article 18 of the general municipal law. I feel like it could be more there about, you know, being open about potential conflicts of interest. Like I just I mean I >> deal with this in my industry and >> just >> defining what an interest actually is. Yeah, maybe needs a little bit more. >> Does my neighbor factor in as an interest? >> Yeah. >> Or is it just like a relative? >> Financial interest just depending. >> I think we might need some back where you could say direct or indirect material or immaterial. I've seen that the whole which would cover >> what you're saying this is basic template that comes from GML. >>

046So what you're saying is either direct or indirect which is more broadly defined to be like a neighbor or friend material being large image being even something as small as an order your your neighbor owns the pencil company that we got it from. That sort of thing you should probably kick back to legal if you want that defined in policy. All right. So what I'm hearing is um for example provide more details in regards to the question about the the interest of any contract entered into. Is it a direct or indirect interest that a board member or officer has? >> Direct indirect material and into >> material. material meaning large immaterial meaning something small that you would have to disclose that you have an indirect relationship >> right that's what you're asking for the auditor

047sent home questions about that over your >> has a comment or >> um we're asking legal advice provide more details about expanding to put in direct or to put in the language of for example direct go ahead >> or or indirect material immaterial, which would mean you're going to have to disclose everything that you're aware of if you have some sort of a connection to purchases being made by the district. >> Right. Now, we didn't do that with something else. We're not >> disclose it in that related party question that you probably received a while ago for the external. They asked those very specific questions. >> Does it go to like every employee? >> It goes to key employees. Doesn't go to every employee. It goes to it came to us as board >> board

048and administration. >> Okay. So should it say just employee of the school district as a >> or should it just say board members and officers? I think maybe I would say let's expand not expand but just get clarity on it because it's >> what is considered an >> is it any other comment on Okay. Okay. 6741. Anything for 67.1? Yes. The second highlighted section um contain critical details of services sought and shall not include any limitations that may limit response. I know what uh sparked that to be added to it. Um but feel like that could also end up causing the RFP to be too general. Like could a licensing requirement be considered a limitation? We just have to take that out according to the policy. >> What do you mean by a license? >>

049Like if the whatever the professional services where you need a a license to perform that, but then somebody could look at that and be like, "Oh, well that's a limitation and goes against your policy." I don't have a license, but it's limiting me to to put in my dip. I'm sure there's other examples of legacy. >> Yeah. But we kicked around in discussion with legal. was like if the board wanted years of service for some sort of a professional accounting or legal and you wanted that firm that had x amount of years with experience dealing with public schools is and I know the answer and that's why it's like is that what that means that if you're doing an RFP for somebody who builds desks making something up anybody could respond or do you want

050x amount of or do you want to be able to put some qualifications on who can respond and that that was the discussion I had with legal. >> Oh, well that's a better way of saying what I knew that but five years as a licensed speech provider or something like that. >> The minimum qualification that we would define in the RFP. >> Yeah. But then this policy then lawyer >> Shannon was like well does this policy prohibit us from putting qualifications on who's qualified to respond? >> No. >> And I that's for you >> limit. So when responds to an RFP they can identify where they don't meet the requirements in the RFA and then we can decide to take it or leave it. So if they going with this idea of somebody needs 15

051licensed engineers we did desk >> or desk whatever it is like they can come back and say well we have this many which is not exactly what you ask for an RFP and it would be up to the district to decide if that's still a responsible bidder like this came about because of the bus company. Yeah, I remember that >> because we said they have to be within 15 minutes of the school district. So, one company is within 15 minutes school. So, that's not competitive pricing. So, we don't want to I mean, >> yeah, that's a unique situation that these the bus companies are geographic by nature. That might not that probably be a bad example. I think I remember >> Yeah. >> that kind of conversation. Well, legal and I were talking about I

052think was like speech pathology would qualify for this. and you want the higher speech pathologist, but you want them to have x amount of years of experience and put that in your RFP. And if you did want to do that, this language and policy seems to prohibit us from putting that metric in there. So you have to have five years of experience. >> I think I think it should come out. That's just I wouldn't want um to not so I'm a discussion on it. So what we can do, we can bring it before the board and say that was recommending to take it out. Some of the committee members said to leave it in, others said to leave it out. So we just need to decide if we want to go. >> Like I'm not

053against what you're trying to get at Megan, but like and I don't know what the wording would be, but if there's another way to word it, I wouldn't be against something like that necessarily. was let's play not read that. >> Yeah. I mean it's just I mean I work with the counties right I work with New York City I work with you know so in their purchasing they can't soul source. So you have to be extremely mindful that you're not developing an RFP that is is written around one entity and no one else can respond to it. So that's the concept. >> That's the concept. So if this is not the right sentence, then maybe we can get somebody else like we give thought to how to write your sentence like yeah but >> secret

054to not create qualifications that would limit responses to a sole source. >> No, you can't like you can't just have one bidder like it's they would not we would have had to go back out to that transportation bid. That's what blew my mind because we wouldn't have been able Nassau County, South County would not have been able to accept one bidder for a contract of that amount. >> We worded something like um should not limitations that limit responses to qualified biders. >> I I think let let's uh I think let's give some discussion back. not so we'll give some feedback back to you and say how could this information be placed in here but not have the limitations that that it that it has here. So how else can it be rewarded? I I think

055that would be recommendation to finish and we can give the example that we're trying to make sure that if anyone wants to place a bid they can be able to place a bit and not be >> not be part of the process. I I think I understand your your point Megan in terms of the um the bus But I think that's a unique situation that in terms of buses from other locations, we have to look at a lot of different things using that example 97 because if um people from other areas could could have responded, but when certain circles occur, they have to be able to get to the district in a certain amount of time. So the question would be, would they be able to get here in a certain amount of time to

056meet the needs of our students as well as transport our students? So, I think that was kind of a unique situation, but we can see how it could be worded slightly differently um that no one will be limited at. >> Okay. Because I think that it would be at the due diligence of the districts to be aware of what entities could bid and to be aware of if they're inserting something into the RFP that would be knocking others out. and I part of my job. So, I don't think that this sentence is incorrect. Uh I think that it's accurate. And when you're in an RFP process, they there's a process where they can ask questions and clarifications. They can state we can decide during the bid window if we want to change language in RFP,

057but to take it out, I I think it needs to be in. >> What if we just added to the end of it? qualified biders. So we I feel like that would allow us to list qualities that we require but then take things out of that would limit different people in certain ways. >> Um a qualified bidder is just that somebody that can meet all the terms of the RFP. So, so they're not they aren't deemed qualified if there's something in RP that they can't meet. Let's let's give it to legal for them to play around with that language and see what else we can come up with. Um, I mean, we could probably expand it because there's nothing in here about like receiving and addressing questions during the RFP window. I mean, is that

058something that we do, Mr. Snider? >> Whenever someone has a question about a pending RFP, the question will come in and the answers go out to all known respondents. >> Right. So, why don't we say that in here? >> It it follows general law 103. So, it's kind of implied within bidding process that we answer all questions that everyone we know's received the bid or picked up the RFP. >> You said um general or 103. You're just going off the top of your head because this one is referencing 104B. >> Well, 103 is more stringent in the sense it goes with public bidding and that's generally the rules for 104 sometimes mirror that. So in terms of your question about question and answer, when someone asks a question about an RFP, we treat the same

059way we treat a bid in the sense that we give the answer to everyone who has picked up or has received the RFP. >> Okay. So I would like it to reference general 103. >> You'd have to find legal because it's a se different section. I'm >> really telling you as a purchasing agent, >> that's how I handle questions on RB the same way I would handle it as a public bid. So just for clarification, Megan, where are you referring to about the 103? Where you want to add it? >> There's a reference at the end. >> Okay. He's just saying okay. So >> So we're saying we're going to comply with that. So maybe if we reference 103, >> 104, and 103, >> some of these questions might shake out because there might be

060additional language that could be added. >> All right. So, um, Amber, you have that. Can we the requisites, can we add, um, 103? And that's a question for the intern. Yes. All right. On page two, I I just need clarifications on this. um where it says all all our free shall be published in the district approved newspapers just I remember this language was added in but I just need a clarification when we say all RP so any RP that has gone out or has come back in we want that to be published in the newspaper I just want to clear I don't remember the explanation behind this any old RP shall be uploaded to the district platform for the board education. I don't remember I don't does anyone clarity anyone before why this came up

061as we publish the district approved newspapers. >> Um I think that came up to try to get a wider reach and a wider response. Uh so that was added in. I definitely asked for these files to be saved on board docs so that it was at our fingertips rather than having to ask for it or have it in emails or that's seems like maybe where that came from. >> So can I just for clarification? So on page one of Mr. Snider in the second paragraph where it talks about um the board directs assistant superintendent to take measures to ensure that a highly qualified professional is secure through with produce producing an economic use of public money which may include those four things that's different than what with the RFP just for clarification. That's different than

062a bid where you put a bid spec together and you >> publish it in a newspaper and anyone can respond to it. >> Was that your question, man? >> Yeah. Because the RFP, like if we're just saying that we're going out for RFP, if we're just stating that um that we're going to send it out um electronically as well as a hard hard copy, we're just also stating here. just remember put it in the newspaper as well that I'm fine with that. Um the only thing it says all RP shall be uploaded to the district electron platform for the board of education and that was that recommendation that come I think as you stated Megan was that therefore be accessible to the board of education but I think it's uploading depending what the documents are.

063uploading all those documents. Some of the documents were sent to us electronically too. >> We we could leave it in right now. >> Well, it's just like searching in emails is really time consuming and putting it in Friday memos is you can't search it. So there's just >> file structure. >> Yeah, we're put a timeline of how long it should be available. You mean like how long it's on board? >> Yes. >> Say years and years and years. >> No, it should just be there for the time frame that it's going that the process taking place says it says the written proposal submitted by applicants shall be maintained for at least six years. RFPs and proposals. That's what it states. Well, it says so I would say insert the RFP and also >> the bus

064RFP is five or six years. So, so you keep it that will probably cover the term and then you you move on. >> Uh you use it as a basis for the next one. >> I So I have some um language here. So are you done Lisa with your thoughts or >> Yeah, I just want to make sure that Amry got that last. >> So yeah, Amanda and the RFP and proposals. So do I put it as this is a suggestion from the committee? >> Yes. >> Change of way. >> Okay. Thank you. Um, so on that first page where we're talking about page one, >> yeah, that second paragraph where it's talking about purchasing professional services, um, I don't know if it's a bullet or if it's inherent to that paragraph, but we want

065to I would suggest that there's a statement that says that um that all without exception that we're verifying all legally require required and applicable professional credentials exist are current and will not expire during the term of engagement like during the term of the contracts right term of engagement. So, so >> um >> but do you have >> so we that we verify that all legally required and applicable professional credentials exist >> legally required >> professional >> and applicable professional credentials suppose some of the examples you're saying firstly about licenses exist are current and will not expire during the term of the contract or agreement whatever exists and >> are current and will not expire during the term of the contract and that would be added move. >> It could be a bullet. I mean, I

066guess under four published in I guess it could be five or it can be built into that paragraph. So maybe let's share that language from legal and ask can it be a bullet or separate separate or embedded? Um, okay. So, on page two, that second paragraph talks about the superintendent after a thorough review of proposals and consultation. So I think like should we clarify that except for all legal services district treasurer that goes back to my question on treasurer internal auditor external order and a district clerk the superintendent does the thorough review because though those services came to the board of education right and we reviewed those proposals so I'm going to do the district clerk for example with the district clerk Is it really a proposal? Because we sent we did a posting for

067it. We got a response back. So, I'm looking at it um not as proposal for for um for legal. So, we went out for RFP for legal that came back and that came to us. But that um the superintendent and assistance didn't have anything connected to for the legal um treasurer. treasure we have not changed in a long time but it's I'm not too sure we've gone out for another treasure at all and I don't think we've gone out for another treasure and then I'm not too sure how long that's been so your question is except for like in front of the superintendent is it except for legal services district treasurer internal auditor external auditor and the district auditor because Those were all we did that as a board of education. We looked up the

068legal. >> Okay. So again I don't I'm still questioning the predator. Hold on a second internal or except for legal services internal and external or And that would be added the superintendent after third year of proposal consultation delivery. Um so would be >> right at the end. >> Yeah. I'll put right at the end. Yes. >> Or the beginning because if you go through all that Yeah. So that >> so it says that we were going to do this every three years which is something we were trying to catch up on right with the legal and the auditors. >> So are we falling behind on the treasurer? >> Okay. And this is >> the district clerk is um that that's on the annual that's annually the district. So that that that is um so the

069district clerk is reappointed basis as well as the treasur. So that that's not a three year that that's on an annual basis that they're appoint. >> Okay. I mean I I just Okay. But the paragraph above it says not less frequently than every three years. So the clerk is every is annually but yes as well as the treasure to vote in >> and is this I'm asking the attorneys for or this is just a comment that is suggest legal for that language be changed. So any any comments on the um any anything part of part two there? I mean anything saw on page two comments. If there's no more comments, I I want to move on and I know we have a couple of things that we definitely need to address. Can I can I

070I'd like to just jump down to section view because those those are policies that were from that we need to review. So, I just want to jump down and make sure that we get those any. So there um um in section B one two three four and five. So gender neutral one >> is gender neutral 0101 um 43 41.13 preschool special education 4321.14 special education personnel and 4321.2 schoolwide referral focus interventions. So I hope you jump down to that. And then also I also see there's 4321 as well. So >> we'll take this view. >> Yes. Okay. >> So um the it the reason that 0101 is required is because it's law. So uh wherever we have single gender restrooms we must uh label them at single single occupancy restrooms they must be labeled in

071some way as gender neutral. There's language there that the board will decide on and it's it's not critical either way. I've also pulled the schools to determine whether or not they have done this with all their single gender single occupancy restrooms and they have not been. Uh some schools have some that are some that aren't. So, I'll have to work with the facilities to make sure that we get the appropriate signage to bring our restrooms, our single occupancy restrooms into compliance with this. Uh, there may be, in my opinion, some some faculty who are not happy about the idea that a single occupancy restroom must be made to be a Lgender restroom. However, the law requires that we do that where we have them. So either we add a stall or we go to an

072all gender restroom for those. Uh nonetheless, our buildings were on top of this and and I believe that bringing ourselves into compliance uh is will be a a matter of purchasing whatever appropriate signage is needed in the correct amounts uh and we'll be able to bring ourselves in line with this policy as soon as it's adopted or within weeks thereof. >> Does anyone have a preference for the language? What's it doesn't say what the option >> it does. It says signage was confirmed to the state education department prefer acceptable terms and icons or it's it's given us signage was confirmed to the state education department preference of the term all gender and a toilet icon. That's the preference. So, it's easier to just use the one that states all gender instead of putting that it

073must conform to the state preferred terms and then you have to go look up to see what the state terms are. I think I think the the only reason they put it down as um um was confirmed to the state education prefer acceptable terms and icons. I think they probably did that just in case it changes from all genders. Well, I think I think >> How about if we have a sign already? Should we just match the signs? >> Aren't they signs in Northwest? I think that >> I don't know if they said gender neutral or all gender. >> I don't know either. >> But if we want like rather than have to like replace if we do have some signs, maybe we just want to replace all signs. >> Yeah. I I prefer the

074second one. The sign is must conform to the state education department preferred acceptable terms. Preferred or acceptable terms. I I think that makes it just in case to your point if there's something that's already existed. We're not. >> Yeah. Think about what we already have. >> That makes sense. >> So, I found it like um shocking to see that Northwest has 25 single occupancy bathrooms. Did I read that table correctly? >> But many of those may be assigned to classrooms. Yeah. >> Or attached to >> Oh, each classroom. I didn't bring the whole I think. So they're automatically >> say occupate. So you got so we have to put a sign on each. >> We have to put a sign on each that reflects that. >> Okay. Thank you. That just because I'm thinking in

075the hallway. >> Yeah. >> Every little classroom. Okay. >> And we're not required to to add uh all gender where they don't exist. Only to label those that are single occupor. In other words, if there were no single occupancy restrooms in the entire building, we wouldn't have to label any of the not a requirement that we do. So, it's only for single occupancy lab. >> Okay. >> But I'm not saying that we need to have them. It just if we do, if we do, we have to >> Okay. Because I think was the high school did it say there were none for the students? Um there may not be any set apart for the students might as well. I have to check that and I can report that back. >> I don't remember that table.

076They use the nurses if they need the black students use the nurse. >> Okay. At the high school, >> do they know that that it's like communicated to them? >> Okay. Because I would think that at that age that that was be where it really becomes a possible issue. >> Yeah. that I don't as much so with giving orders. >> Anything else for this policy? 0101. >> So, I'm going to go to 9520.6. >> This is sweet as well. >> Yes. >> Again, I I reached out to the principles. They got they got back to me within 12 hours from my reach out. Very impressive. So, I appreciate that. Um, with this, our high school reports us to be uh fully in compliance, meaning having all aspects of um and I I bulleted I listed

077the bullet said, "Do you have this?" And they indicated that they have each of these elements at uh at the Memorial High School. The middle school reported as having an area approachable and an acceptable area, but the only thing they did not have was running board. So, we'll need to identify an area should it need to be used that has running water. The elementary schools do not currently have any requests for use. However, we should work with the elementary schools to make sure that we have those areas available and set aside. Uh the one thing that I do not know that we are in compliance with is the annual provision of this policy in writing to every staff member. If there is a sign off each year, and I don't know the answer yet, if

078there's a sign off each year on a board mini manual of sorts where we give the policy and ask faculty to review it every year, then we can include this among policies that we would consider essential policies uh for staff members to look at in cheetah and and therefore provide it. Uh I also do not know that we provide this. Well, it's not adopted yet. >> I don't know. Correct. Right. Right. So once the board adopts the policy, we'll provide it to all employees. We also have to provide it um to everybody as soon as they're on boarded as it states here. So we'll make sure that the human resources department provides it to every employee of hire and then annually to every employee as well. I would expect that there will become an increasing

079desire for these spaces in all buildings. And so we'll work with the elementary schools to make sure that they've identified spaces that meet all the requirements and we'll work with facilities in order to adjust spaces and we need to in order to meet all the requirements for staff have this side. So I I'm so glad that you mentioned the sign off because that's something like this is my first year on the policy committee and something that I was hoping that we would implement that the staff is signing off on the policy manual that I don't believe that that's happened. >> So >> or or some select key policies or >> so I may overstep which may happen from time to time. I'll make sure that I bring it to the superintendent and her cabinet uh

080for discussion and recommendation to discuss it with with others that it impact. I believe that it is an appropriate thing to do and uh we'll work together to identify those policies that are the most essential and the most common for staff to know or have interviewed on an annual basis. U both legally required and their idea too. I I know that in the there used to be policy manuals in each of the school buildings, right? But I like that idea of having it at least electronic because people if it's just one policy manual, that's not going to be really beneficial for everyone. But if the if if the staff and employees know um it's this is location where you can find the policy man all the policies but even maybe pull out the ones that

081are required by no and make that access folder that's accessible to to all employees that that would be a good thing to do. >> The fact that the board has these on board docs gives us a mechanism for saying these are the policies that we must review each year and they need to be simply by going through board docs. So everyone >> public and faculty and staff have access to every obviously we need to just be mindful for that if we I suggest we might do that as well. >> Yeah like just a certification that you're aware of these and you're familiar with them whatever >> and there must be a mechanism in board docs where you can I'm sure we can go in and just be able to read it and check it off.

082I'm sure it's something that we could look into just to see. Um just on the top of this um please note in the gray area it says new note and so what will come out is the old note and the language underneath it. So the new note is what will stay in and the old note and this model policy develop is that that law comments just kind of make a notation the last sentence. Um says this model policy developed by New York state department on express and breast milk health and workplace we have only modified it in format to be able to adopt it and include in the district. So this is just been talking to us. >> Okay. So it's just a top portion that was saying and the bread would come off the

083new note would go away as well. Any other comments on this policy? So we move on to the next one. Oh, I guess how quickly do we have to comply with this? Is there some sort of guideline about that? So, I would my my goal is is for these policies that have the the three the four four stores that was back up on the agenda in October. Um, >> yeah, but that's not what I'm talking about like bringing running water to the room. Well, >> how how much time do we have to >> once once a policy gets into place and gets adopted, then that's when they have to comply with it. So, >> so that's the key. So the revised policy will be shared with principles very quickly prior to board adoption and in

084anticipation of board adoption. We're going to we're going to make sure that we identify those places that we may need to have for staff based on the policy and based on >> come up with a plan to bring water there >> or or find a place that already has water. I mean, >> yeah, >> the the real key is to identify, as I said, how to thorough and the other requirements um and may require imposing ones that people like. Sometimes sometimes changes require us to do things that aren't always popular with every single person. So, come a long way with this one. Um, it was 4321.13. >> Um, I honestly haven't read this yet. this one because this we had a different one in front of us right the other night at the >> the

085other one was the existing um policy just for special education whereas this one is for preschool special education >> and this was the one that was identified as missing >> yes >> okay so which one you're looking at sorry the 4341.13 >> so it outlines um the role of the CPSC our respons possibility to have a CPSC. Um the procedures if parents have concerns, it's pretty straightforward about what we're expected to do based on regulations. It was just absent from the policy. >> Okay. So, this one came from from this bill, I believe. Okay. Any any other suggested? No suggested changes on >> 4321.14. >> This is a special educational personnel. It's complex of all title here. >> For the most part, this just speaks about our responsibility to ensure that the personnel we use

086in special ed settings were appropriately certified um and trained appropriately when they need to be. And the recommendation is just about um putting in the correct title which would be director of PPS. >> Sorry. So hold on. I'm sorry. So I was reading this this preschool special education. result. Should the board disagree with the CPSC's recommendations, it shall send the recommendations back to the CPSC so that they may schedule a timely meeting to review the board's concerns or revise the IEP as deemed appropriate. So this sounds as though the board is like involved with these recommendations. And I the only time we saw anything about CPSSE was after the budget was already developed and being voted on for last year. >> Where is it? We went back to where you reporting. >> I'm on the

087preschool special education. >> Okay. Thank >> um >> the third paragraph. It says the B should the board disagree with the recommendations, it shall send the recommendations back to CPSC. So, is the board supposed to be approving these recommendations? So, they go on when we do the annual reviews. So that would be it would go on the agenda like you saw last year. >> But that was after the that was like the night of the budget vote. It was already embedded in the budget. Right. So the timeliness of it is based on when the annual reviews are held. So that does coincide with the budget vote which is after the preparation. But those factors are taken into consideration when we're budgeting. So there's no way to get those recommendations to us before the night that

088we're voting on the budget because if we actually have concerns like I did express concerns that night, but there was it was like too late. But the concerns the the approval that you're giving is not based on the budget. It's based on whether the recommendations are appropriate for the students. >> No, I know. But those are the concerns that I was bringing up about the students. >> Yep. >> It just happened to be that same night and obviously tied to the budget because we were specifically saying we were seeing a $2 million savings in special education services. So the the question would be is um if the board has the authority to if the board disagrees with the recommendation then it has to go back. So we're trying to find out what is a timely

089frame to to get the information like the board supposed to take a look at this and what are we looking at? What are we reviewing? >> So I'm not too sure what that language would look like at all. So I think that would probably require more communication with legal to find out what would what would our role be, what information do we get and when do we get it? That's what I'm thinking of. So I mean so let's look into that a little bit more is that also in the other one of special education personnel. So this is >> the person. So why is there there a policy about just preschool special education students? Is this just for the three and four year olds? Yes. Why is there not anything for the rest of the

090No, this was just what was missing from Okay. >> This is what we had the last meeting personnel. >> No, we had the last meeting. >> Well, we didn't so we didn't do anything with that that night, right? >> I don't think we needed to. Right. >> If we got the conf. These were the ones the auditors identified as miss. >> We have 4321.13.14 and just 43. We have 4321 just in general. All right. So let's do so. Anything else for 4321.13? >> No, that was my answer. Anything else for 4321.14? That's where we add in the name of director of um pupil and personnel services. >> This is just not >> so has this so this was reviewed by p by legal. >> Yes. So that has um that that was their recommendation needs

091to add appropriate title here if we >> so do we know that it's been like compared to a template like the finance ones were because I don't know what the I get this one I don't know when was like when was this generated or we >> I think this is a new one. >> It came from's office. >> Yeah, this is this is a new policy that we personel was we did have. So this is >> it came from this book. That's what it says on the stop making them. I didn't have any additional questions on this. If anyone has any additional questions >> is this. So, we're just saying director of uh people personnel services not HR because this is the area that they're referring to because it's talking about the event that the

092funding are not available despite best administration the board recognizes to meet the alternative standard by the state education superintendent in consultation with the director of PPS PS she'll prepare and report to the board which provides information about the certifications qualifications special education personnel. So your question is why isn't HR part of it? >> Yeah. Isn't that is that something that you would HR would be part of like >> so HR would be I I think it's a good idea. Sorry am I supposed to say that? I think it's a good idea to include HR in that the director of people personnel services would be really involved in the uh the professional development and opportunities offered part. the director of human resources would be involved in the certification aspect, >> right? >> And involved in the

093certification aspect to to ensure that for every faculty member, >> right? >> So >> that's what I >> that would be a subset of that and makes sense to direct your community. >> So you're saying both or just just a director? >> No, both. >> Both. Okay. So, director of PPS and director of human resilience and and please speak up if you have recommendations because I I have no expertise on this. So, it's just, you know, you see something, you may see something someplace else and it's like, well, why can't we have it here? So, so that's 432114. Then we go to 43. Just quick question. I have 4321.2 here. Does anyone have that one as well in there? >> Yes. >> 21.2. >> They let me realize that we don't need that one, right?

094Okay. I want to find out. So, now we're just going to go 4321. They're not too sure for now. Is that >> it was sent all fives together at the end of July. So >> So we're going to do 4321. >> I think it was not missing though, right? >> 4321 is okay. >> This is the one that you guys. >> So 43. >> I'm wondering why we don't need this one. 4321.2. >> I think that >> No, they're already in. They're >> already in the It's We already have it. Double checking. Yes. 4321.2 is currently part of your boards. >> Okay. But it's adopted in 2013, 12 years ago. >> Oh, shoot. >> So, should we not be updating this like while we're at it? I mean, >> I guess this needs legal review

095and compare it to the template. So we can say this is like >> we can ask a good review >> academic and behavioral supports. So this is critical. >> Yeah, we ask a good review of this. Do we have the um this one I did not review? >> I had not I have not read this one yet either because I listen >> I was kind of like going by the agenda. >> Yeah. Yeah. So this one I have nothing. So we can um push over legal. Let's let's set it to legal for review and then we go for 2321.2. All right. So now I'm sorry. So we're just going to sent it to Jamon and then I spoke to Dr. cover and I of course it wasn't what was referenced in the report. So I

096told Shannon not to look at it but in the meantime Shannon did look at it and said there were no changes. >> Okay. >> Oh okay. >> 4321. >> So are we going to just put this to the board then? Yes, we'll put it to the board 21.0. >> So, um >> that need to if there's no changes to it, >> we just um >> just to look up. Yes. Okay. Well, thank you. I apologize. >> So, my Yeah, we'll summarize at at the end when we close out what's going to go on the agenda. So 4321. No, no. 431. >> Oh, no. You Can I just ask a question? So, who's this? Is this you? >> We didn't I didn't review this one. It wasn't one that I thought we were going for tonight.

097>> Yes, it would be. Maybe they'll just Yeah, but I haven't even read this yet. >> Yes. >> All right. So, >> these are the legal comments, right? >> Right in yellow and orange. >> Yes. So, we'll do that for the next one. All right. Um, so I want to go down to um what we do um 2342 agenda preparation. >> So, we're going to skip advertising in the schools student gifts. >> No, I'm going to I'm going to go and do those. Okay. You know, I'll say it because I don't know. All right. Um All right. Just let's go back to 51511. We'll do that then. Fine. I'm um advertising. Okay. >> We've done the 328. So, who speaks on this one? says 3283 1511 in schools but the requested 3283 listening advertising as

098schools but this number was different. Okay. So this is so 1511 is the number not 3283 I'm assuming correct. Okay. So Dr. Children asked to be added because they they're receiving a lot of flyers asking for example um daycare >> programs and she wanted to make sure it's comprised that the school district is not advertising for third parties or supporting that's against policy. I think the legal responses yeah today >> there's a memo so >> it's pretty much a statutory type of language about advertising >> and I think it was something about if it's not for profit then >> not for-p profofit community organizations have more leeway than forprofit Should we say something about um not being permitted to promote on behalf of any candidate during or like political candidates during school hours or >>

099doesn't it say something about campaigning or political somewhere that probably not Yeah, first the first sentence, >> the first paragraph is um promoting a school property in commercial, political or non-school agency. So, I think this policy already covers if she's getting if we're getting the request to disseminate out about different um like whether it's child care or something like that. That's something that we're not allowed to do. It says it would be best practice for the district to develop additional policy addressing advertising school grounds and flyers >> the fourth paragraph when I yeah when I tal this morning >> I felt like it and opened up the door. Um well because general public interest is even if there's an art program in town being offered but that's an educational >> which paragraph >> it's in

100in the last paragraph on on the on the on the memo. I I think my I think my my concern will be >> I didn't see the >> fun memo we received today. >> Yes. I can try it out. It's just saying um they're just saying that if we're going to do something like this that um that we really should have language that addresses I know in in the past that anything that that was distributed out had to be reviewed by the superintendent and superintendent, they had to sign off one of that included whether it was coming from like the parent organization was within the district. Everything had to be approved before it was disseminated out. Um, >> well, I think she's asking for more guidance on what she should do. >> I kind of

101like what it says on the bottom here. Um it student should ensure it states the program of service address by the flyer is not sponsored or endorsed by the district. I think because I you know someone may think that if we are disseminating out a flyer let's just say for child care it was coming from the district they may think that we as a district are supporting that particular place or Yeah. Yeah. that we reviewed it. No, not that's my only thing, you know. So, >> we have the outside groups to put a disclaimer on the bottom of those flyers saying that it's really not endorsed by the push. >> And I think then we should also put something on top of that that says, you know, on top with something else that we also

102say that that this is not endorsed by the um by the by the school district. There's a flyer that is on the past website. I don't think it's on the current one that says that they have to send a flyer, the superintendent reviews it, whatever. And there has to be a disclaimer or distribution of this flyer is forformational purposes only. The school district does not endorse the program, its employees or any individual associated with the program. >> So we create a regulation that would have those kind of parameters on what is allowed. >> Good question. that makes sense because like >> what is allowed is pretty >> restricted given the state constitution. The clubs and the outside organizations >> Yeah. >> have a lot more leeway to do those sort of things provided the disclaimers

103on the flyer. >> Right. That's what I but that's what I mean like kind of spell it out to be like all right if you're one of those groups that are allowed to advertise this is how you're allowed to do it. you have this disclaimer would have to provide that. >> Yeah, because I'm like wondering like >> does the senior class buy class ranks? >> They do. We spoke about that earlier this afternoon through a private for-profit company, but the senior class is a club >> and they have more leeway. student clubs and outside organizations like PTA and boosters have much more leeway to do things that we as a district are prohibited from doing. This policy is addressing what the school district really can't do, which is pretty much provide support for a private

104company. >> That's interesting. But you're saying that the club >> clubs are different >> can advertise for the class ring as an example. they can send out. >> Where is that like defined here? >> Um, I don't think it's actually in this policy, but I'd have to look at the student activity handbook policy where they are allowed to do fundraising and engage with private companies >> and that. So, is there a policy on the PTA then in terms of fundraising, advertising, soliciting a funds? Look, we'll look at that on the next break next time. >> Yeah, I mean those were just some thoughts I kind of what I'm doing is I'm agreeing with Chris that either this should be a regulation maybe there is regulation in tandem with other policies that it might not have

105in here. Right. So I think going back how does the club how why is the club allowed to do that? So, let can can we just stay with 1511 for for tonight and then for another night we can look at um clubs and whatnot because we're going down a different road. >> So, I think that I think it's important I think we need to discuss it but we needed to just stay with this particular policy. Um, I think also, um, I think my if if I had to be the person to approve something that was going to be distributed out, I would then I'm in in the seat. If I don't approve one ply, but I approve another one, then that makes it very difficult for that superintendent to say, well, how can we approve

106this one, but you didn't approve mine? So, I think we need to look in this a little bit more. And like you said, Chris, if there's any type of regulation, any more details that we can um find, let's let's look at this a little bit further. Also the commercial photographer paragraph who's taking school photographs on school premises for a school purpose. What is a school purpose defined as? Like is this just any commercial photographer that shows up on their own or are they invited by a team or the school? Does that have to be defined anymore? >> So let's review this a little more. >> Yeah. Um, >> so we're going to bring this back to our next policy meeting, we're saying. >> Yeah, I think I think we need to get more information. >>

107We're kind of >> Yeah, >> I feel like we're putting a lot to the board anyway. >> Yeah, I wouldn't give I wouldn't give this to the board. Yeah, I think we need to look at >> a lot of people calling constantly to see the stats of their bodies are >> Yeah, I know. But I I don't think we have enough. We can't make a decision tonight. I think right now um Julie has to go by the policy that's here and um until we until we make a decision. Um student gift solicitation 5660. So we're going to review this one more for the next meeting review for the policy committee for the October meeting. So, student gifts and solicitations. Did everyone have an opportunity to do this one? >> Yeah. >> I think this was

108is this all connected with the advertisement? Okay. So maybe what we should do if this is what so these were pulled out because it's all connected with that um with the other policy policy 1511. Yes. Yes. Yes. But for they all have policies that directly address it. They that's what they said. >> Right. So can I can I make recommended to the policy committee can we take um 5660 and and a th00and and let's let's save that for our October meeting so therefore we have opportunity to review it and make any recommended changes to these or see if there's additional policy that addresses concerns everyone okay with with those that >> does their organizational policy kind of tie in with these also >> we can look at all that you want a booster. So, let's

109let's take these along and and and look at maybe the booster even the next time. So, I'm going to go over to 2342. So, for 2342, uh agenda preparation dissemination. >> Oh, you said a thousand for the next meeting, too. >> Yes. Yeah, because it's all I think it was all pulled from what Emry is saying. Okay. Well, snap. All right. Um, agenda, preparation, and dissemination. There was also a member from the 25th of August that came from legal answering a question about resolutions. >> Um, the policy that we have here shows that it strikes out says item business may be suggested by any board member and it says it strikes out for your parents, student, other members of the public and must relate to district business. Um there's a part of me that I

110feel that you know everyone should have opportunity if they have suggestion for the agenda that's related to district business that it is they have opportunity to submit it. I I do feel that um inclusion I suggested by the by the by the district employee whatever that should stay in and shall be at discretion of the superintendent and subject to approval of the board and the board president. I think it just allows for more um it allows for the agenda to be set but also allow for the opportunity for people to have input about placing things on the agenda. Yeah. >> And it says person suggesting it business must submit the items to the superintendent at least 14 days prior and one week prior to a special meeting items will not be added to agenda later

111than these time periods unless it's items of an emergency nature and authorized by superintendent in consultation with the board president. I think that um all that language should stay. I don't think we should strike any of it out. So what um this policy was on the June 18th meeting and it came back to us because they got approved but is >> suggesting to strike those. >> Yeah, I think that came from the last policy meeting that took place that there was only one person that attended the meeting. So like I think it wasn't it wasn't from because you it wasn't from I wasn't there. Yes. >> Okay. I think as representatives of the community should allow the input of the community to understand what what they want us to discuss. I I don't think we

112should strike out England. I think it should all stay. Yeah. Why is slow going? I'm trying to I'm trying to scroll down. I'm just trying to get too. All right. So, any any questions on this? Um back on this. Yeah. Um, okay. So, should it just say the superintendent in consultation with the board for officers shall prepare the agenda for each board forward meeting? Um, rather than board president and then strike board officers may be invited to the agenda setting meetings. I don't have the >> What paragraph are you saying that may be in there? >> The first paragraph. >> Oh, okay. The last sentence to the first. >> Oh, okay. I I'm I'm in support of leaving the language the way that it is because for me and this has nothing with me being

113the board president. I think it allows for if there's two officers. So if there's three people and trying to get everyone there um to do an agenda review sometimes gets um cumbersome. But but if it states that it has to be the border officer and and the president then that will be the challenge. But if the if let's say the president's not there, but a board officer can still attend to do that agenda review that allows for that to take place. Um, and I we have always it's always been um a situation where the board officers have been um have been attending the agenda review set. So I don't I don't think there's a need to change the language. I think we should just that's just me leave the way it is or we can

114bring it before the board and they can make they can make suggestions. They can say yes or no. So my recommendation is um to leave it. We can say to the board that we can do it one of two ways. either going to leave it the strike through is in or we can take it out and and and and not make any changes and get the feedback from the rest of the board and see what they have to say. I think I'd like to add a statement in this um policy >> that the board of education meeting is a meeting of the board. Its function is for the elected representatives of the community to conduct the business of the district. The superintendent and other school officials may also present to provide information in context for

115the board's at the board's discretion. Um, all items submitted by any board member to the superintendent or to the board president shall be added to the board agenda. >> So you can submit that language in and see if the if the board wants that language included. >> So it's something you have written. >> Pipe it up and send it to Amory. >> Yeah. Is it something you already have written out already? >> Well, I have like a lot of thoughts. Um, yeah, I can type this for. Thank you. Can I leave 2342 and go to the minutes? All right. So, 2360 for the minutes. I also pulled down um what I pulled down what is actually our current policy in regards to minutes and then it's different than what was given as as a um

116graph to us. So, I'm looking at um I'm looking at the current part policy. Um, one thing that I I like about the um well one the other one it says um the unbridgeidge video or audio recording shall be uploaded to the district website within 24 hours of all meetings and can be used um and I don't know if I'm sure if it can be used as minutes. It says can be used as minutes until the minutes were made are made available to the public. So, let's give that language. I say give that language over to legal to see if the last portion where it says can be used as minutes until made available to the public. I think that we should add that in because this policy does not address the fact that we

117now the old policy does not address the fact that we now do um videotaping of our meetings. So, I think that language should be included. Um in our old minutes it says the minutes shall constitute official record of proceeding with the board and shall be open to the public inspection within one week of executive session and and within two weeks of all other meetings. I think what I find very interesting is the fact that it says within one week of executive session but within two weeks of all other meetings because typically you have an executive session and then you have a meeting there. Sometimes you may have a meeting or go directly into executive session. So I'm assuming that they're referring to well you know sometimes we have a meeting to go directly into executive

118sessions. I think that's the reference and not when we are having a regularly scheduled meeting. I believe that's the that >> it's standalone executive session >> right there's really nothing that'll be included in it. >> Right. and minutes which have not been approved by the board within this time frame shall be marked. Draft a draft of the minutes meeting shall be format or to each member of the board not later than the time the agenda for the next meeting is disseminated. Um the district clerk shall be responsible taking the minutes and shall present the pre minutes to the board president or their designate within one day of the meeting. Um the minute shall conform to established format. Um, I I I like I like where it says board president or or designate because that that

119will mean that if the board president not going to do it, then there could be another school board member that have to do it. I think that we should keep we should add that language in. >> Well, this is the third paragraph. >> Yes. So, I'm looking at I'm looking at both of them. This is this was this was our actual policy here. This was our actual policy. This was this policy was um revised at at the last meeting. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Was there an issue with this because this one there's a strike through of president or there's a pool. So this just saying to send to the board >> within one day um because this is just my perspective on when the and Amry came about that and I may be wrong. My

120perspective on it is that if you have where it's if if a seven member board and you have seven different people holding different notes to different clusing. So as a board you do review the whole minutes. So if it's just one person the board president or the designate that reviews the drafts of the minute and then the whole board gets it and that's fine. I think what we should try to think about doing is that to allow ample time to review the minutes everyone that that we're that we get it at least a week prior to you know any board meeting and I think now we're going to be be caught up because that that would be the key. I like it going straight to the board and I think that there's there's so many

121ways to collaborate on a word file now. You could put it on like a share point and everybody can just work right in the same word if there's uh questions or edits >> to streamline the process of reviewing the minutes. >> And I like I said I don't think it should go to the entire board. I think I think a draft should be created and then from that point then the entire board can see it. Um I I do feel that the minutes do need to come out as soon as soon as it's seen by the district clerk done by district clerk done by the um by the board president designate then soon as that draft is okay that goes out right away to the entire board. So then that way it could be a

122week, it could be it could be at least two weeks that people are looking at at this implement and it will minimize it'll minimize the the the it minimizes the the role of the district clerk. Not minimize it but allows the district clerk to to make any changes that may be picked up right away by the designate or the board president. And then from that point, then a whole board will take a whole look at and see if there's anything else that that may be picked up. Or else I'm gonna have seven or six of the same comment being made over and over again. You will look at it first. It'll get through 80% of my questions or whatever and then it'll go to the rest of the board and there'll be half them might

123approve it. And that that's I'm just picturing getting seven suggestions in the same item. >> So you think it would be more efficient to for it to go to one person? >> One personal, >> right? >> And and that's why I like to board president or their designate because I I think to me it could be either way. I'm being very honest, you know, that's how that's how I learned how to agree the minutes because I was not the board president. I was designated for the person to view the minutes. So, if someone else wants to take on that on that role and the minutes go to to that person, I'm fine with that. You know what I mean? I don't I don't have to be the person that reviews the minute. I don't mind

124passing on to someone else and then goes to the entire board. So, I have no problem with that. Does board docs have the ability to have a word file on board docs that the board trustees can edit? >> Not that I know. just in PDFs. >> Okay. I just think that we can be way more efficient with the way that we're doing this if it went to the entire ver with a file that anybody can open and actually like put comments in. >> And I think the biggest thing is and I still I'm I'm more comfortable with leaving it with one person communicating with the district clerk and then it gets out to the entire board. When that happens, if we want to put it in a word file, so therefore, comments can be made

125on there. But the district clerk has to make sure that it's saved that she has a word file that's separate and then a word file that's sent to the board to make comments because then the formatting gets all skewed as well. So therefore, then she has to correct the whole formatting. So I support the idea of giving it in word to make comments, but then she has a separate file that that she keeps in word. So therefore the formatting does not does not get um turned around and that that's the one thing that that I can think about from doing. >> So then if that's the case since it sounds like you guys both want it to go to the board president or the designate then can we say within what timeline it's going to

126go to the rest of the board. >> Well if you do a word document could you just lock the document and just allow comments? certain things where you can >> I looked into Google Docs that it could be done within that. I don't know if it can be done within >> that they it's limited only to comments and not changing it. I know you >> know where I think you can because I use Word >> and Microsoft at work and I'm pretty sure that that you're able to to lock the document and just allow certain people to so like you might be able to share it with the board president and allow them to make changes but then allow the rest of the board to see it and then maybe make comments. So, it's more

127eyes on it, but not necessarily. >> I think I think I'm going to say is this and this is >> from doing the the minutes for a length of time. A lot of times there's a lot of stuff that we clean up. A lot of things that we clean up prior to getting to to the board. And then from that point, it's just minor things. Maybe we don't have the zoom numbers. Maybe we we don't have a proper number uh you know lettering like number and lettering on it. So there's a lot of other stuff that that we thin up. We also um if people are going to do it, you have to listen to the audio. You can't just go by your notes. You have to listen to your audio because sometimes even with

128my note takingaking when I go back to listen to the audio it's not correct. So you have to go by what what was there in the audio. So, um to your question, Megan, I'm just looking at the um the meeting dates and I'm looking at so it has on here within two weeks of all other meetings that it goes to board. not later than the time agenda for the next meeting is disseminated. Um I'm okay and adding something in here that says draft each minute shall report forward to each member of the board. I'm trying to think because we don't our meeting dates are not consistent. So, you want to say within two weeks of the next board meeting, within 10 days, because I'm trying to figure out what's realistic to make sure that we're

129meeting all the things, meeting all the meetings. We may have meeting date on the 15th, another one on the 19th. Was it within two weeks after the last meeting? >> One week. >> The draft speech being shall report to each board member no later than two weeks from the last um meeting date. >> One week. >> Unless it says Jewish holidays, Christmas meeting presidents. Yeah. And then um three days a week or two days depending on how many meetings have been in the last two weeks. >> Yeah, she's she's only here three days a week. So that's what I'm saying. Within two weeks she'll be forward to each board member not later than two weeks. >> So then we're going to get the minutes when it has to get posted for the public. So, you're

130going to give to the board the minutes at the same time you're giving it to the public because it says we're supposed to post within two weeks of the meeting the draft minutes. So, you you can still post it to the public, but we still can make we can make comments and make changes on it and then put it and put up a revised port revise. >> I just think it should just go to the board of education. >> I I hear what you're saying, but the problem is Emry is only here 25 hours a week. So, and she has to stay within that time frame of 24 hours a week. So, as a result, you know, I mean, she she I can't guarantee they're going to be up in a week's time. They'll be

131done in a week. Routine last week and this week I have 15 hours of just meetings and district training. So, at least 11 hours. Well, each week it's less than what it's just not practical. Seven hours of meetings district clerk did last week Monday tonight and I have four hours of district workshop this week. So you take all that time and trying to figure out how to get actual work done. That's, you know, everyone else is just not and then I I'm going to get seven people coming back saying, you know, patient on virtual the thing. I'm answering the same question seven. It's just not addition. But you're not writing minutes for this meeting. You're just doing you're doing the policy update. So you're just writing a message as for last Monday's meeting. >> So

132we're talking about 25 hours a week. So it's 50 hours between last week and this week and between the two meetings and my district, it's around 14 hours uh of taking away my file to do. >> You're saying this meeting and last Monday's meeting, right? >> And she's gonna Soy is going to provide to us. >> What are the meetings? Amy's gonna provide to us. She the board requested more details about what she's doing. So, she's gonna advise to the board. >> The contract says to do the board meetings and the policy and the health of the policies, >> right? >> So, our 25 hours >> and Emory is going to provide to us in an email >> what she's been doing because that was requested from the board. So, that's not part of this

133open session here. So, allow her to give that information. She's working on that information. to showcase that information to us. >> Okay. So at the end it says all right. So where do we leave it that we are getting the minutes the same time the public >> right now the draft units of each meeting should be reported to each no later than two weeks of the last meeting >> and Maria question. So if we have the you share the minutes with the whole board but then just limit it. So I'm looking on Google you can give permissions to view uh permissions to comment on or permissions to edit. So if you gave it like I said um the president or designate edit permissions. So it's just you and one other person with the edit permissions

134and then all the rest of the board members have comment permissions. So, if I leave a comment on this page number being wrong and then Megan goes behind me and sees the same thing, she'll see that I already left a comment, would that be efficient enough or would that still add to the chaos? I really feel like 80% of the changes would be dealt with like just one person >> and in theory I agree with you but if somebody is somebody out of the board members is everybody respectfully going to be checking everybody else's comments just letting their know I don't see why they wouldn't the comments of the can view. >> I don't know. I mean, I collaborate on files day in and day out with teams of many people. So, it's you just

135kind of get used to it. People's your track changes are in there, your comments are in there, and the file gets updated a lot quicker. >> Right. So, this this is um our district clerk has made made a suggestion. Um so, right now, we'll leave it as board president or their designate and we will bring it back to the board and the board can make the final decision. And then right now the draft means each meeting shall be forward to each member of the board. Right now we have no later than two weeks of the last meeting. Um we may have to adjust that just just a little bit. >> So at the end it says if a board member is not present at the opening and we're going to identify that. So we should

136also identify if a board member leaves the meeting or any portion of the meeting. So usually so usually what happens is that in in the minutes we usually make a note of when someone leaves and when someone arrives and if they leave for we usually don't make a note >> if they like leave and then come back. >> Um because I mean you could strategically leave and not vote on certain things. I think it should be noted if you're leaving the room and then you come back and the meeting that there was a storm and there was like an interruption in the video footage like we pulled you called. What time did was there an interruption in the video? >> Like 20 minutes or so. >> Yeah. But you we've had it in the minutes.

137So if >> but we would just want to be consistent if that's what we want to do. Um so somebody's like leaving during the meeting and then returning and then >> if there's an interruption in the Zoom >> but we don't Okay. So leaving the if someone leaves the meeting and let's say they go leave the meeting and go to the restroom, right? >> If there's a vote that's taking place, then they're not going to be reported on that vote because they're not there in the room at that particular time. So you're what you're saying is that then if that's the case then we want it to be noted that someone left left the meeting but returned. >> Yeah. We're just saying if they're not present in the beginning of the meeting we're going to

138note it. We should note if the board member leaves the meeting for any portion when they come back. >> We should know >> if there's an interruption in the reporting if we're aware of it at the time, right? Um, >> I would say like as far as board member leaving, I wouldn't say we should record it anytime somebody walks out of the room. I would say maybe if there's a vote happening and they're not present during the vote, then that could just be >> marked on the on the record of the vote. >> X board member was not present. >> And then if they leave permanently and miss the rest of the meeting, I think that should be done. So like a late late arrival or an early departure like a permanent early departure. >>

139I I will I will say this I know in the past that there were times this is going back that you know in the past when I was on the board for there were times that was noted that you know Lisa Johnson left the meeting at 8:05 and then returned back at at 8:25 that type of thing. So I guess we can go go either way. >> It's not a big deal. I mean it's just noting who's present. We're saying who's present at the beginning. It's in the meet at the minute. So if they're not present for some portion, they're not present for some portion. >> I don't I don't think it happens often where someone leaves. >> No, I don't I'm not >> indicating we're looking at this policy just to be comprehensive what

140the expectations. >> So I made a note leave the meetings and return to make that note and any interruptions to make that note as well if we're aware of any interruptions and reporting. All right. Um, and I got to bounce out to it at 8:00. >> Okay. >> All right. So, um, our role is I'll go vote to section B. One, two, three, four. Um, we'll go on to the agenda. Um, eight and nine will go to the agenda. And that we already know we've already made a note in Amar of what will be what has to go legal. So, how about if you clean it up? It has to go legal and then there. So, parental involvement that that can go on the agenda as a as a as a first reading, first and

141final reading. the investment the 6240 and 6240R and 6700 those have to go legal for well they're all going to go legal and 6741 have to go legal without comments um 0101 they don't have to go legal with that comment so everything's going to go back to label anyway but our goal is for when it when it comes back from legal, we can put it on the agenda as a as a reading and then give a back to the policy team. Right. So, thank you for joining us. We're going to close the meeting out now at 8:20. This meeting is a good feat right next to isn't like the 29th or something like that.