Amityville BOE Mtg 7/23/25

001Okay. Uh, good evening everyone and welcome to the board of education's Wednesday, July 23rd board of education meeting. With us in attendance, we have Carol Legal Counsel, John Shehan, um, assistant superintendent for business, um, Rick Schneider, um, myself, Juan Leon, uh, first vice president. It's anticipated that President Lisa Johnson will be joining us in executive session. Also with us, Superintendent of Schools Dr. Talbert, second Vice President Chris Naring, Trustee Carol Seahhoff, and Trustee Megan Mesman. Is there a motion to enter into executive session to discuss items that are uh items pertaining to particular personnel? Motion. Motion by Chris, second by Carol. All those in favor? >> I. >> Okay. Thank you very much at 5:40. >> Board of Education uh Board of Education meeting for July 23rd, 2025. We are now calling this meeting to

002order. Please take note of the emergency exits. There are there are no smoking in the building. Uh please note the emergency exits closest to you. There is no smoking on school grounds and please silence your cell phones during the business of the board. If you're able to stand, I would invite you to stand with board of education for the pledge of allegiance led by second vice president Chris Naring. Pledge >> allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. So, with us in attendance tonight, um, President Lisa Johnson is unable to be with us tonight, so I will be filling in for her. First vice president Juan Leon, uh, second vice president Chris Nearing, uh,

003board members Megan Mesman, board members Carol Seahhoff, board member Leslie Cretz, uh, Dr. Talbert is with us. Our I'm not going to say it right. Our exeicado board members, we have Miss McQueen and we and Miss uh Miss Mullings. We also have Mary Stevens um assistant superintendent for curriculum instruction and our assistant superintendent for business um Mr. Schneider. And legal is here with us. So, at this point, we would like to I'm going to ask our ex officio student board members to please give a report that they have for us tonight. >> Um, what would you like to do? >> Okay, that's fine. >> Good evening everyone. I'm Aaliyah McQueen, one of the exeicio student board members. Following the phone policy meeting that happened last week, although there weren't many attendees, concerns and ideas were

004brought to the board's attention about storage, possible punishments for students, and whether phones should be allowed for after school activities. However, there was a concern that was brought to our attention concerning how students would be able to easily access their schedules, specifically freshmen that would be new to the high school. Most students during the first few weeks of school would use their phones in order to easily check their schedules for their next class. Both phones being banned for the upcoming school year. We wanted to bring this to your attention. >> Thank you. >> Is is that all that um you have for tonight? Okay. Thank you very much for that report. At this time, we will move right along to agenda item 1 C2, which is superintendent of schools. So, Dr. Talbert, the microphone is

005yours. >> Thank you, First Vice President Leon. And good evening once again to the board and to the community and everyone who's joined us this evening. Thank you for being here tonight. We hope that our families, our faculty and staff are enjoying a restful and healthy summer. We would like to remind everyone that while the academic year may be on pause for most, our schools remain active and full of purpose. Summer school and enrichment programs are currently underway across the district, supporting our students academically and socially during the break. I want to thank our teachers, our support staff and administrators who are working through the summer to ensure our students stay on track and connected. And a special thank you to Miss Mary Stevens for overseeing our summer workings. Since our buildings are still in

006use, deep cleaning, maintenance projects, and classroom setup will begin once summer programming concludes in August. Our facilities team will have a tight but wellplanned schedule to ensure all schools are ready for the return of staff and students. A quick reminder on key dates. Staff return on Tuesday, August 27th. Students return on Wednesday, September 3rd. One of the most discussed topics this summer is the implementation of the new district cell phone policy, which the board of education will be adopting tonight. Thank you to our student board members who were very instrumental in the success of our forum last week where we received information and feedback from those who are in attendance. We received 19 responses from the Google forum and the board has that in their possession to use as a point of reference as we

007conclude the policy on tonight. As a reminder, the law does require school districts to adopt a policy that limits or prohibits the use of internet enabled personal devices during the school day. We will continue this important work with additional roundt discussions virtually and in person and feedback sessions prior to the opening of school as well as checkpoint meetings once this is underway. Our goal is to shape a policy that meets the intent of the law while respecting the voices of our school community. The policy must be adopted by August 1st and we will make sure families are informed before the school year begins. Looking ahead, here are a few important reminders. New student registration is still open, so please help us spread the word. Transportation letters will be mailed home in mid August. Any address

008or daycare updates should be submitted as soon as possible. School supply list will be posted online for each school. We would like to make our families aware of the upcoming Amityville Teachers Association LAP annual back to school drive where free book uh backpacks and school supplies will be distributed. That event will be scheduled during August and more details will be shared through our website calls and social media as the date approaches. Thank you again for your continued support and involvement. Enjoy the rest of your summer. We look forward to welcoming everyone back very soon. Thank you, First Vice President and Board of Education. >> Excellent. Thank you, Dr. Talbert. At this point, we would like to move to agenda item 1D1, which is risk assessment report presented by RS Abrams Internal Auditors. Good evening everyone.

009Uh thank you for having me. My name is Brendan Nelson. I'm a partner at RS Abrams. Uh we are your new uh internal auditors. So we were contracted by the board for the 2425 year uh to come in and be the independent internal auditors. Uh so we are here tonight to provide a brief summary over the recently completed initial risk assessment report. Um hopefully everyone's received a copy uh and have it in front of you. Uh sake of time I am going to kind of give a high level uh summary of what our approach was, how the risk assessment works and then we could open the floor to any questions or comments you may have. Um and then at the end we also need to just get your approval on the um the area that

010we're going to do our deep dive over for the second part of our engagement. So if you do have the report in front of you, you can jump to page five. Um page five shows a uh this is essentially a summary of our assessment uh of risk and our testing plan. Uh so what we do is we break down the financial operations of the district as a whole into nine main business processes that you can see here. Uh anywhere from general accounting and reporting to facilities and capital projects all the way to information technology. So, nine main business processes that are then broken down into 27 subprocesses. So, being that this was our first year uh engaged by the district, we did come in and perform a full risk assessment, meaning that we uh obtained

011a full baseline understanding of the internal control system for each of these areas. >> I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt, Brendan. Um, do we do we have this presentation for the community to see >> or No, I don't believe so. I was told it was shared with the board prior, so hopefully Does everyone have a copy of the report? >> But the community doesn't have this. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Does the community have access to this? >> This is still in draft form. So it most likely wouldn't be made public until uh after this meeting the board approves. It would go final and it'd be accessible. >> Please proceed. >> Sure. Um so again, every area you see here, we did gain an understanding of what the controls were uh surrounding that area. There

012are certain key controls that we look for in each of these uh processes. Uh and the way that we do that for a risk assessment would be through interviews with management uh other key employees within each area uh as well as some observation and inquiry. So, we're looking at certain documents, certain walkthrough transactions for for a specific area to see that the controls that the district are telling us are in place are effectively in place and operating as intended. So, you can see here uh the control risk column. This is only going to show one year being that 2025 is the first year that we've come in. Um, so your assessment that we're providing over each of these areas can either be low, which will be indicated by an L, moderate, which would be indicated

013by an M, or high. Uh just a brief summary of each of those. High would be essentially that there was no system of internal control in place that we were able to see. Uh so happy to report nothing of the such for any of these areas there. Moderate would mean that there is a uh internal control system in place. However, we did identify uh opportunities or um potential issues that we found that were providing recommendations for you to strengthen the internal controls in that area. So you can see here there is a handful of areas where we did overall uh assess that area at moderate. Um so in the meat of the report you'll see we'll speak to each of these areas what our procedures were and then what the recommendations are that we're providing

014to management and to the board. Um I do want to also point out as I mentioned earlier um the second half of our engagement for the 2425 year is for us to do a deep dive over one of these areas. Um so initially in this report we're proposing payroll and related expenditures. Uh payroll being the biggest area in your budget. It's an area that the office of the state controller is constantly looking at. So typically we feel that's a good place to start um on a newer internal audit client. So unless the board has any opposition or any other areas that they'd prefer to recommend to us, we can move forward then with with payroll. So, any questions, concerns with payroll being the uh intensive review area for 2425? >> Um, well, can we go

015through the report and then circle back to that recommendation? >> So, absolutely. I was told to try and keep this somewhat brief, but do you want to walk through every area? It's a pretty lengthy report. It's almost 20 pages, I think. So, it's up to you guys. >> Well, you can give a synopsis. I I mean, I only got this today, so I haven't read it. >> We only got it this afternoon and just received a hard copy of it tonight. So, I think we need to kind of >> maybe you can maybe you can go through it a little bit and pull out some >> Yeah, >> whatever the board wants. So, we can move through the report here. So, I I'll focus on whatever the recommendations were that we came across just so

016you're aware. Very good. And then can you just clarify the legends like so risk process evaluated what would what's the difference if we did an extensive system process review completed? >> Yeah. So we haven't completed an extensive review yet. >> So that would be after the black box you go check. >> Exactly. So the square that you see is the one that we're recommending for 25. Once that's completed on the next risk assessment update that we'd issue you'd see a check mark in that area because the extensive system was performed. >> Thank you. >> Sure. All right. So, we can start with governance and planning. Um, so one of the recommendations we had here, we look at all of your board policies. We want to make sure that you have all of the legally required

017policies in place and that they are accessible on your website. Um, so we did note that there was these uh four policies listed here that we could not uh view on your website. Okay. Uh, another recommendation we had in this area. Um so there are monthly treasures reports or financial packets that go to the board. So we look at those packets to see what information is being presented to the board. Um there are certain things that are required uh by education law and other things that are recommended by the state controller. Um so we are noting here that uh there were revenue and budget status reports provided to the board for certain funds. We only saw general fund and your special aid fund or federal fund. Um however it is required that um revenue budget

018status reports for all funds within the district's accounting system to be presented to the board on a monthly basis. And then it is also recommended as a best practice that trial balances for each of those funds be presented as well as part of that financial packet. Um you'll see this noted throughout uh various areas here. This next observation um so we review your AIS is your accounting information system. Um, so we're looking at user permissions and looking at certain individuals within an area to make sure that their permissions align with what their job responsibilities are. Um, so here within this area, we did note that there were two employees who had access to your budget transfer permissions within that AIS. Um, that wasn't consistent with their respective roles. They most likely didn't need to have

019that access. So, we are pointing that out to you. Um, and that was it for that area. Can I just interject for a second? And that that >> finding those two employees, that's just a sampling of what you looked at because you didn't look at everybody >> for for an initial risk. Unfortunately, we're not looking at everyone, but we do get a report from the AIS that does list every single user and we filter it to look for certain key employees to make sure that they have certain permissions that we feel they should have with their in line with their job duty. Again, during a an intensive review or a deep dive of of a particular area, we would be looking at every employee that had access to certain areas within that um that AIS

020module. >> And then I guess you gave the specifics to the to Dr. Talbert as to which employees were identified. >> We did. We've been in talks with uh Mr. Schneider uh so he has that information uh and we can certainly share it with the board and with Gina um if that's what they're looking for. >> Thank you. And this might be on a deep dive, but um has there been any not notice that these users have actually utilized their access or just they had it and didn't use it? >> That's exactly it. So again, we didn't go that far to verify all of their activity that they've done, but based on conversations we had with management, it was essentially that they had this permission. However, they it's not their normal function to be using

021that and that they have not been using that functionality. Okay, moving on to accounting and reporting. Um, first observation here, um, highly recommended, uh, again by the, uh, uh, controllers's office that a school district should have a long-term fund balance and reserves plan. So, you have certain reserves that you establish that you're able to fund for particular purposes. You have your general unassigned fund balance. you should have a formalized uh plan uh approved by the board that would speak to each of those reserves, what levels you're looking to have those reserves funded at. Um what level your unassigned fund balance you're looking to maintain that at. Um so we did note that the district did not currently have that. So we're recommending that that be something that they look into uh and develop. Um next

022up here, this kind of coincides with that. Uh so we do look at your last few years financial statements that would have been issued by your external auditors. Uh we're looking mainly at your general fund unassigned fund balance. So that's typically a good indicator of you know being in a strong financial position if you're able to maintain that 4% maximum. So in New York State, school districts are only allowed to maintain an unassigned fund balance of up to 4% of the next year's budget. Um so we did note that uh in both 23 and 24 the district was below that level. So again, we're just this isformational. We're bringing it to your attention. That's something that you should be mindful of uh moving forward and would again coincide with that long-term fund balance and reserves

023plan. Um next one here, again, this is related to those user permissions. So we did note uh within this area that an individual did have uh access or the ability to both create and delete journal entries. Uh typically this is not something we like to see. So again, we had conversations with Mr. Schneider. He did agree and that is something that will be changed. So that permission will be removed. Again, we did not come across or we weren't told that they were utilizing that function. However, it is accessible within the system based on that user permissions report. Um in addition to here uh the district treasurer who is an outside uh consultant that comes in um did have uh the ability to post journal entries which again is not a function that would typically fall

024within that treasurer's role. So, we are proposing that that um permission be revoked as well. >> I'm sorry, can you just clarify that what a journal entry is? >> A journal entry would be how you post uh a change to an account within your trial balance within your accounting system. So, that's how you effectively are posting numbers, posting revenues, expenditures, receivables, things like that. >> Okay. You sampled five journal entries and found these issues and we have hundreds. I'm sure >> the five journal entries that we looked at was just to look at the control system in terms of who's reviewing and approving them. So, we didn't identify any issues with the sampling uh of those journal entries. This is more on the actual accounting information system and what the um the permissions are within

025there for posting, deleting, modifying journal entries within the accounting system itself. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Sure. Um, next up here, uh, so we did note that the on your website you are required to post, it's it's a legal requirement in accordance with ed education law to post your external audit reports as well as any uh reports issued by the state. Excuse me. So, we did see those on your website, but it also is recommended as a best practice to post your internal audit reports uh as well as any corrective action plans, which we did not see. So again, we're just recommending as a best practice that those be posted and made available as well. Okay, moving on to revenue and cash management. Um, so we did look at your uh system of control surrounding

026wire transfers. So signing into your online banking, moving monies from one account to another, or even effectively, you know, sending a wire a payment that's leaving the district's accounts. Um, so we did note that the district is utilizing certain controls. There are multiple people involved, which is great. That's what we like to see. Um, and they are using pre-established banking templates within the online banking system, which is a common thing that um, we see districts using. We're just pointing out here that essentially the two people that are involved in that review and approval process, they're not documenting that review process. So, it's hard to see outside of the online banking system that there are multiple people involved if you're not leaving an audit trail showing who initiated who documented and reviewed that transfer. So, just

027recommending that you uh uh formalize that process in terms of having them sign off on those transactions. >> Is there is that something that you've typically seen done? Is it like hard copies or is there a system that you would recommend? So when you're using these pre-established banking templates, I don't think the district is using them for every type of wire transfer. So typically they're used for the ones that are leaving the district's accounts. So there would be multiple people would have to be involved to create and approve that template within the banking system. >> So that's the the key control there is that multiple people have to be involved to create it initially, >> but then moving forward once that template's created, they can send that same transfer. one person can send that same

028transfer utilizing that template without another person involved. So at that point you would want to still see that somebody is reviewing and approving that transfer outside of the banking system. So to answer your question it would have to be at that point something that's a hard copy wire request form is something we see common that would show that trail. >> Right. Okay. Thank you. >> Sure. Okay. Uh the next observation here uh so as part of your investment strategy and looking at what types of bank accounts what interest uh interest rates that you're receiving we did note um you know back in June of 24 as well as in September of 24 we saw that your capital fund was maintaining a pretty significant amount of cash but it was sitting in a traditional low interest

029bearing checking account that was sub 1% I believe and I know you do have current options options now that are you know receiving upwards of four plus percent. So just pointing that out that you should be mindful of that and trying to make transfers where possible to maximize your interest earnings. >> Um last observation here for u cash and revenue and cash management again another user permission. So this is related to the um posting of cash receipts within the accounting system. So, we did note that um certain individuals had the ability to both create and delete cash receipt transactions within the system. Again, this is not something that we recommend districts having. Um we were told that they never utilize the delete function. However, I think it's just safer to revoke that access altogether. If

030there is a change that needs to be made to a receipt that's posted, you would just post an additional receipt to make that adjustment. Um next up is purchasing and related expenditures. So first observation here again related to the AIS permissions. Uh we did note that there were uh several employees that did have access to creating purchase requisitions as well as certain purchase order permissions. Uh which again is not typical for their respective roles. When it comes to approving and converting purchase orders, that should be solely the responsibility of the district's purchasing agent and potentially a a deputy purchasing agent if the board appoints one. So we did recommend that those uh permissions be modified as well. Um the only other thing related to purchasing had to do with the vendor master file. So there

031is a report that you can run from the system that would show every vendor that is currently in the accounting system. Um, so it is recommended that on a periodic basis, whether that be quarterly or, you know, even annually, at least once a year, that somebody is reviewing that vendor master file to look for any duplicate vendors, any old vendors that haven't been used in a while, um, to be able to remove those vendors or inactivate them in the system. >> So, that was it for purchasing. Moving on to payroll, human resources, and benefits. So again here common theme uh observation one here had to do with some user permissions uh certain employees did have access to certain functions within both both payroll and human resources um which you know again typically is not the

032case. We like to see that there is some sort of segregation of duties between HR and the payroll functions within the accounting system. So we're recommending that the district look into those and again restrict these individuals to only having access to the modules that you know they're directly involved with. Um in terms of um payroll itself and time sheet data. So um we did note that there is seemingly a dual review or multiple people involved when it comes to hourly employees or time sheets because these are manually entered into the accounting system. um that process wasn't being documented. So there's no way for us to prove that that was in fact the case. So we're just recommending that that process be more formalized and documented. Um we did also sample a list of five new

033hires uh just for the general onboarding procedures, making sure you're getting all the necessary documentation. Um so we did note for one out of the five people that we looked at um they did decline health insurance, meaning that they were opting for the buyout that the district offers. So they should be signing a form that essentially speaks to that. Um so for that one individual they were unable to locate uh the health declination form. >> Wow. >> Uh lastly here uh second observation uh we did also look at five retirees that were receiving Medicare reimbursements. Uh so we did note that for one of the individuals that was receiving reimbursement uh we did pick up that it was for an incorrect amount. I think they were using a prior year's rate instead of the current

034years. It was a small incremental difference. However, we are just pointing this out because you know there does appear to be a a risk of you know human error when it comes to calculating these. So we're proposing that there be a second person that review these before these go out. Okay. Uh next up, facilities, capital projects, and capital assets. Uh there wasn't much to speak to here. Just a couple of things. This first observation. So it is highly recommended that at least once every 5 years a school district uh contacts with a appraisal company to have a full valuation done of all of their capital assets, equipment districtwide. Um, so through, you know, the individuals at the district that were responsible for this area, they weren't able to confirm when the last time they had

035this full valuation done. Uh, so we are just pointing that out and if it is determined at some point that it's been the five years, the district should go out and have that full appraisal completed. Okay. And then the only other thing here, we did do a small sample of current year equipment additions. We look for certain things in terms of, you know, district identifying them as being capitalizable or needing to be tagged and tracked. Um, so for one of the items, we did note that, uh, there was a sound system that was purchased and installed. Um, which did meet the the district's capitalization criteria, so it should have been picked up as a capitalizable capital asset. Uh, but at the time of our testing, it was not. So, we did bring this to the

036district's attention. And so they did add it after the fact, but we're just mentioning this that, you know, there needs to be a a more thorough review of all of the current year's uh equipment purchases to make sure that they're all being captured. Okay. Uh next up, student services. So this encompasses your student transportation, your food service operations, as well as um your extra classroom activity funds. So that's all your student clubs and the fundraising activities that they do. Um, so one recommendation here, um, so this was related to your your food service. So you do have vending machines that the district operates within the, you know, throughout the district. You do contract with an outside company that handles those vending machines. However, you had no written contract on file with that vending company that

037would stipulate, you know, what your commission percentage is on the sales of the vending machine. So there was no way to verify the amounts that you were getting from this company. We did have multiple conversations with uh the previous business official prior to Rich coming in, Olivia. They made multiple efforts to try and get a contract in place with this company. Company's giving them a hard time. They were unable to get it. So, we're just bringing this to your attention. If you're unable to get a contract with this company moving forward, you should look for alternative uh vendors for providing that service. >> Okay. Uh one other thing that was related to your school lunch fund. So there are monthly claim forms that are submitted online to uh New York State Education Department. This is

038for your number of reimburseable meals that are provided to students for that month. So those forms get submitted, you know, they're either imported from your point of sales system into the the state platform online or sometimes they're manually entered. Um so they are submitted monthly and we typically like to see that there's a second person involved reviewing those claim forms before they're ultimately submitted. So, we are recommending that that uh be put in place to have that second set of eyes. All right, we're almost there. A couple more uh student related data and services. So, this includes student attendance, uh the reliability of student data in terms of the the platforms and uh softwares that you're using as well as student safety and security. Um so, actually no findings here uh to report. So, uh,

039all three of those areas that I just mentioned were assessed at low. So, that's great to see. Uh, and then lastly, information technology. So, this is it. Um, just one re uh uh two two observations here. First one, so every district is required to have a disaster recovery plan in place. Um, this is something that would speak to what the district's procedures will be in the event of a, you know, a natural disaster. if operations go down, how are you going to react to get the district back up and running as quickly as possible? Um, so through conversations with the IT department, there allegedly was one in place years ago, but there was turnover in the IT department. It was never updated or finalized. Um, so we are just pointing that out here. But we

040do want to also mention that we did just receive recently uh the new plan has been finalized and was sent to us, but this was after our uh the time of our testing. But that is now in place which uh this language could potentially be updated this last sentence because it at the time we put this report together it was still in the development process but it now has since been finalized. Um and then lastly so again going back to those user permissions we did note we saw one employee that essentially was separated from the district but still had access within the accounting system meaning that they were not revoked their access was not revoked timely. So, uh, that's something you certainly want to make sure that you have controls in place to quickly remove

041people's access as they separate from the district and that is it. Any other questions, comments, concerns? >> Thank you, Brendan. >> Sure. >> Do we have any questions from board members regarding this presentation? I think my questions are more for administration, not Mr. Nelson. >> I um so it's part of your scope that you would do one extensive process review. >> Okay. And so again, so you're going back to the payroll processing and related expenditures. And then for 2026, you're saying focus on it. >> We we did throw that in. So that still can change because we're going to come back for 25 26 do an updated risk assessment. So if anything else comes to our attention that you know could be more significant we could change that but we just threw that in there

042just as an idea. >> Wait. So okay like an idea >> or if we discuss if we discuss as school board an area that we would like to you to check. >> Absolutely. Ultimately it's up to the board. >> That's something. >> So is it something that we can actually read this report slower and then confirm what the next steps are. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Because we hadn't really had a chance to >> Sure. No. No. Yeah. Rush through >> the key points. >> Absolutely. If anyone has any other questions, feel free to reach out to myself or Rich. We'd be happy to. >> Excellent. Thank you, Brendan. >> Thank you. So I believe our next steps will be to approve this and then once it's approved it should be made available on our website

043for the public to view and shortly after that we should um we should have a corrective action plan. We have to give our superintendent and assistant superintendent of finance some time to work on that corrective plan and present it to the board again. I'm I'm sorry. Go ahead. 90 days. >> Okay. So, I I also want to point out you're not actually required to create a corrective action plan for a risk assessment. It would only be for the cycle reports. >> That doesn't mean you can't create one. That's your prerogative for sure, but I just wanted to point out that it's that's actually not required for >> I I think the board would like to do a corrective plan. So, that's that's our perview to do. Okay. >> I agree with that. >> Yeah. >>

044I I don't know. So, so it it seems like our assistant superintendent for finance says that we should have one within 90 days and then the board can literally check off all the areas of concern here and hopefully get some of these loose ends tied up going forward. Okay. Excellent. Okay. Have a good night everyone. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Okay. >> Are we able to ask I have two questions for administration about this? >> Uh yes, please go ahead. >> Okay. Um so first question is do we have uh an idea about the physical inventory if we're going to be doing one anytime soon or Okay. We our insurance company is typically the one that drives the fact that you have to have a full appraisal of all district assets every five years. The

045last one that was done and again we obtained the information subsequent to the release of the report a couple days ago. It was done in 2020. So we are to do I've asked them for a list of approved vendors that the insurance company's willing to accept the report because they use those values for insurance and deductibles and those reasons. So, I'm hoping to have a list of names and a scope of work and an agreement before the board, you know, as soon as I can. >> Okay. Do you have any estimate on the cost of that? >> Uh, I wouldn't want to guess in public, sir. It's not astronomical, but Okay. You know, it's certainly a lot of work to do a full appraisal. >> Yeah. Right. >> Uh, and my last question, do we

046have any update on that vending machine contract? uh the companies that are or company that is doing business with those vending machines is going to provide us an agreement. Sir, >> okay. Thank you. >> If I can if I can tag along on that, if this is the first time I'm hearing that these vending machines don't have a contract, we're not even sure if the school is making any commission off of this. Um I I suggest and this is my suggestion that if if there's not a contract in place that is to the satisfaction of the board of education that they will not be starting the school year with us. That's that's my suggestion. >> They didn't agree to to a meeting with me in the short term. I was going to cut the electric

047to the vending machine. >> Well, I'm not I'm not saying do that. I mean I I was saying I was saying more along the lines of come pick up your equipment. that they have not been as agreeable as they should be to want to sit down with digest. Sir, >> understood. So, are there any other further questions or discussion items regarding this presentation that we just saw? >> Seeing none, we are going to move to agenda item one D two, which is the Edund W. Miles construction update presented by uh Mr. Schneider. Good evening. This is our uh first presentation on the construction project that is taking place at the middle school. It began just a few short weeks ago. Better um to the left, you know, I'll take you through the presentation terms of

048the timeline. It's all these photos are are dated. To the left you see an asbestous containment zone. On July the 9th we had a lot of demolition had already begun on the third floor. Removing plumbing fixtures from the bathrooms, lighting fixtures. A lot of work on the third floor happened in that first week along with some demolition. A couple of days later there was more aspesus abatement work that had taken place on the first and third floor. lighting circuitry was installed in the 300 wing. We also began more abatements on the first floor classrooms with a lot of floor tile removal. On July 18th, uh there was again more abatement. A lot of the work there needs to be abated and I should mention that the abatement comes in the form of asbestous adhesive glue

049that is used on the floor and wall tile. So it is not as airborne and as riskprone asbestous insulation that you would find in the pipes. We still set up a vacuum in those areas so that no air can get in there and it's all safe and done under inspection of our engineers. But everything here really need to be abated. You could see in this picture they started running the BX cables for the new lighting fixtures. Earlier this week there was a lot more abatement on the first floor. uh wiring up of the ceilings on the third floor and a lot of uh classroom lighting up on the third floor. Uh continuing on here, you see a lot of uh ripping up of the floor tiles up on the third floor, which is really difficult

050work for them to accomplish. A lot of tile removal on the third floor, and they began to cordon off the second floor to start the abatement there. What I can tell you is now that this is the budget up top 3.39 million in prime construction contracts were awarded by the board. The other costs which would include you know allocations for legal architecture and construction management. You see that budget we are currently under budget based on the voter approval expenditures are trickling in. I expect them to start coming in a lot more as we get into August. And what I'm happy to report and why I mentioned that most of the abate been on the first and third floor has been done and the demolition has been done is that our prime contractors have not seen

051anything that would lead them to believe that we have to use the allowances that are built into these construction contracts and we're not even talking about change orders at this point. So the budget looks strong and it opens up some opportunities that I think we spoke about before in public session. So the second floor, there's still a lot of work to do there. So there's certainly some things we have to consider, but so far this construction project is going very well. >> Questions? >> Yeah, I do. >> Uh, go ahead. >> Sure. So my my first question is a general question. When do we expect this project to be completed? >> Next summer. >> It's a two-year project, so August of 26. So, what impact does this work have on our students, teachers, and building?

052>> Right now, a lot. But during the school year, none. They'll they will be out of there the second or third week of August and isolated. I believe they might be working at night, and there'll be some work during the night shift during the school day, but there won't be any impact to the classroom functions or the building. >> Excellent. Um, I believe Trusty Mesman has a few questions. >> Yeah, I it was also on the schedule. Um, so we're on schedule. >> We are. >> Okay. And you're saying by the middle of August, the work is wrapping up. >> The contractors have agreed by the middle of August that they have to wrap up and get ready because staff, faculty, and staff are coming. >> Can you just remind me what we're getting done

053this summer? I mean, I see the asbesus abatement and the lighting. >> Uh, what is supposed to be done? I'd have to check again in but it was at the very beginning mostly the first and third floor to get the abatements and get the demolition done >> and to get those rooms ready >> for occupancy. >> Okay. Um it would be I would love to see you do this like again at each of our meetings just a brief update and if you could um show the allowance >> in these numbers so that we know what that is. >> Sure. I could tell you that there's $390,000 of allowances. Mhm. >> Built into the four prime contracts. That's Mount Olympus, Seafford, and Shala, and Eldor. >> So out of that 3,390, just a coincidence there, 390,000

054of it is allowance, which you should think of as a cushion in case something goes wrong, they can utilize the allowances first and and not even approach the board with the need for a change order. >> That's what the allowances are supposed to do. Thanks. Maybe um we had talked about the first floor bathroom. So, is there still investigation as to how that could be incorporated? >> Yeah, we're we're we have obviously the alternate that I know you're aware of to do that first floor bathroom. We're looking at other ways to do it that maybe would be cheaper. Certainly not utilizing 390,000 allowances or change orders puts us in a great position to make a decision about that work probably 12 months from now >> for next summer. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> Can I

055can I also ask um I'm not sure if you can answer this. This might maybe more for the superintendent. Is there a reason why the director of facilities isn't here to also assist with this presentation? So, normally um districtwide employees are not required to be at board meetings. We did not invite him to the board meeting. He has been a part of the collaborative discussion, debrief, updates. There are check-ins regularly. Yeah, it actually he's the one on site taking the pictures. So, he is very invested in the project, supervising, monitoring, and being on site. >> Understood. No, no disrespect. you you know your stuff, but this is also this is the wheelhouse of the director of facilities. >> I agree, sir. I I I told Mr. Gley he was excused tonight. >> Okay. >> He

056>> when Trusty Meman requested an update, she asked for either Mr. Snider or Mr. Galina. And Mr. Galina has been here in the past to provide update. >> He he did have an engagement tonight. Oh, >> okay. That's that's fine. if for the future, if possible, if he's able to be available, that would be greatly appreciated. Yes, sir. >> I mean, in addition to you, in addition to you. >> Um, are there any other questions from board members regarding this presentation tonight? All right, seeing none, thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. Okay, our next agenda item is agenda item 1E, which is community input regarding board agenda items only. So, if there are any members from the community that have questions about what you see on tonight's agenda, please come forward and speak. Good

057evening. I don't like to talk first as I was waiting. Uh my name is Rose Tala Torres, 19 South Toronto Drive, Amityville. Um I just wanted to know a question from uh finance guy. Will the bathrooms be or um okay for the students for first day of school. >> Miss Torres, I'm just going to ask you to address us. And >> will the bathrooms be, you know, already ready for these students in September? Because he said he's going to not finalize until next year. So, I just wanted to know because he didn't talk about the bathroom. So, I just wanted to make sure the bathroom would be safe for our students. Yes, the bathrooms will be ready and available for the students the first day of school. It is a two-year project. Yes, I heard.

058So, there will be a completion for this summer and then they'll pick back up possibly the first floor bathroom next summer, but they'll be ready. >> All right. Thank you. >> Is there any other community input regarding tonight's agenda items? Seeing none, we will continue on our agenda to agenda item 2 B1, which is district goals first and final reading. >> So, can I can I speak to it a little bit? >> Absolutely. Make a motion. >> Oh, >> a motion. >> I don't I don't think there's a motion. >> Um I I mean >> there's a motion to accept Okay, >> there should be a motion and then discussion. >> Okay, that's fine. Is there a motion to to Is there a motion to approve agenda item 2B1? >> Motion by Chris, second by

059Carol Seahhoff. At this point, discussion. >> Okay, thank you. Um, so I'm We had our policy meeting this past Monday and I asked that the district goals be on today's agenda. Uh we did recently update them, you'll see adopted in December. Um but the board does change every spring, has the potential to change every spring. Um so in lining up for the beginning of the school year, just thought to bring the district goals forward once more in front of the board to see if there was any tweaks that were, you know, warranted. If not, then we would adopt them. And then from there, you know, it would trickle down to establishing and collaborating with the superintendent on the her goals for the upcoming school year and which then impacts all the administrators. So that's why

060this is here. Um whereas the policy committee didn't necessarily have suggestions for change, but it was just let's just read it again and adopt it for the upcoming school year. Okay. Any other questions or comments regarding this agenda item? All right, seeing none, all those in favor? >> I. >> All those opposed? Motion carries. 6. Agenda >> five. Is it five? >> One, two, >> I'm sorry. 5 0 5 0 President Johnson was with us earlier. That's why she was the sixth member, but she's not with us at this moment. So that's my mistake. It is a 5-0 agenda item 2B2, students and personal electronic devices, third and final reading. Is there a motion to approve this? Um, is there a motion to approve this agenda item? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Motion by uh

061Trusty Nearing, second by Trustee Seahhoff. Uh discussion if possible. I would like some of the members of the um policy committee to discuss some of the the major points of this if possible. >> Yes. Uh first I'd like to comment on the um the issue that was brought forward by the exofficial board members, the ease of accessing the schedule. I believe that would there wouldn't really be part of the policy. That would maybe be part of the I don't even know if it' be part of the regulation, but it was just an obstacle that this district would have to handle, but it wouldn't be part of the policy. Correct. Okay. >> Wait, I'm sorry, Chris. Can you are are you talking about if the schedule the school day schedule would have to be amended because

062of No, I believe they were um they were commenting on how the students are able to access their schedule through Infinite Campus on their phones >> and um many of the students at the beginning of the year particularly the freshman might be more inclined to be have that need and then the school itself would have to kind of figure a way around it um without giving them access to their phones. >> Would would you like to weigh in on this? Go ahead. I mean, you're the students. Tell us. >> I think that admin should probably print out schedules on the first day. >> Okay. Excellent. Um Dr. >> Tbert, >> yeah, I I I haven't been in school for a while. Well, at least in high school, but do we send home a paper copy

063at least before the school year starts? I I know I used to receive one. >> I did too when I was in school. >> Okay. >> Now the parents and students access it through our parent portal. Um but we have been discussing um some of the suggestions that they have been bringing to our attention as to how the school will prepare differently this year to ensure hard copies are available for students. And Sarai, you also had an idea about the Aday Bday schedule. Would you share that? So, I think that, you know, kids get confused on whether it's a red or gray A. So, whoever is in charge should probably like make it known like which day it is. >> Do Do they make that announcement at the beginning of the day or No. >>

064Yes, but like you forget. >> You forget. Okay. Or or if someone arrives late after the announcement, they wouldn't hear that. >> Well, maybe there could just be What is this? Red or gray day is how they do it. Just something in the classroom that you just turn over for whichever day it is. So when everybody forgets, they have the access in each classroom. >> Um go go ahead. Vice President uh Chris, second vice president. Um so we were just we we kind of just finalized a few different things on what was presented to us in the uh the NISMBA policy. Um there weren't many changes that we made. Um and if you have the highlight the highlights um we just added under other personal electronic devices to include but not but is not limited

065to devices cuz you know devices are always changing and no matter if we listed everything that existed now there'll be something new in a month. Um and then as far as the under communication with parents, um it was determined that we will um provide email addresses to the parents for each building so they know who to contact u because the policy says district provided email address. Um and at this point we don't have one noted for the parents. Uh and then as far as students contacting their parents, they would have to do so through a a office phone. Uh so they would not be granted access to use their own personal phone to contact their parents. Um and then down to as far as how the phones are secured for the elementary school level, they'll

066be secured in the main office. um they're by the state law they're not allowed to bring them to school but for the case that a phone is brought to school then they'll be kept in the main office in a secured location and for the secondary level um it's essentially the same for the middle school and high school they'll be kept in pouches um or another storage device um I know the most widely used device is a pouch but there are other options available um which will then be figured out by the by the district itself on what company we're going to be getting the pouches for and the different things that are involved with that. Um I believe that's the major highlights unless I'm missing something that is noteworthy. May I may I jump in

067Chris to supplement? >> Absolutely. >> So I'm also on the policy committee. Um and we did have, you know, extensive discussion and I just want to speak to because at the cell phone forum, you know, there was still discussion about lockers versus cell phone pouches. Last time on our second reading, we were leaning towards lockers. You know, with the community feedback, um we ended up going with pouches for the middle school and the high school. Um there were on the a state website um 150 districts had already submitted their policies and it's really just a mixed bag. It's just everyone's just trying to figure this out. So you know they're even if they're saying they're going to use lockers for cell phone storage, they're just trying to leave it open as like when if it

068doesn't work, we're going to try to shift gears right away. So we're we just took the stance of let's just go ahead. let's just try a pouch and central administration is going to go back and look at the various uh vendors for the pouches and come back to the board of education with a recommendation for which particular pouch so that and then so that we understand the cost and comparison with the budget all that good stuff. Um but this you know getting this policy to this point uh is just the beginning and then like Chris said like there's you know we're going to we are going to develop a regulation uh to detail out more specifics um which will address some of the other concerns that came back from community discussion like well how are

069you going to get permission to use an office phone um and you know well what happens now if the pouches are damaged and what's going to be our replacement process. Um but so that sort of detail will come but right now this is the okay we're going to go forward with you know looking at options and implementing use of individualized storage pouches um at the middle school and the high school having the secure cell phone locker in the main office of this building the Park Avenue um and also exploring having those secure cell phone lockers in the middle school and the high school for when the need arises with non-compliance and a cell phone go needs to go and be uh you know secured at the main office and we would have a secure place

070to do so. Um so all of that we will the board of education will receive from central administration so that we understand the cost for everything to implement. Um, and we will go through and really for our August policy meeting, we were we're trying to get the regulation in line so that it's ready to go before the school year. We also spoke about having um parents sign off on the student handbook. So the student handbook will get updated for the cell phone policy and we'll get the acknowledgement that the parents are aware of the new policy in that in that matter. >> And one more important thing I think is important to note that we are required to have this policy in place by August 1st which is why we're not presenting this with the

071regulation because the regulation requires more time to fine-tune it to what we actually need. Um, so we're getting this in place by that deadline. >> Excellent. And for those that maybe weren't didn't have the opportunity to be here for the forum that we held, um, it was very informative. Um, and there's also state money that is coming to help us implement some of these changes that are needed. It's probably not enough for what we need, but I'm going to hand it over to Dr. Talbert to talk a little bit about the funding that's coming from New York State to implement this. >> Uh thank you, First Vice President. Um Governor Hokll has allocated uh lots of dollars to this initiative um which has been dispersed among the districts in New York State. Amityville will be

072receiving a little over $14,000 contingent upon the following steps. That the board adopts the policy by August 1st and that we submit the policy to the state department and um indicate our attestation that we have complied with the law and then the money will be released. I'm going to ask Mr. Snider if there are any additional details that he would like to add to my statement. >> Perfectly said, ma'am. >> Okay. Excellent. Are there any I'm sorry. Go ahead. Trusty C off. >> Um has any discussion started as to consequences and aligning and editing the code of conduct? because all of this this discussion and policym will be not if we do not stick to consistent consequences. I speak as an educator. I know that this has got to be aligned. You can't have one

073teacher saying, "Okay, you know, you have your phone this time, but don't have it another time." This has to be consistent, aligned, and clearly spelled out in our code of conduct. Yeah. And so throughout the course of this this year, um, shared decision-making teams on various levels have been dissecting the code of conduct. Um, our legal has also provided us with a red line copy of the code of conduct, which is going to require another update based upon this law and some other contingencies. We are aware that students cannot be suspended for possession of a phone. And so if the situation was to escalate to insubordination or various levels of re um resistance um that would be covered in the existing code of conduct because of the secondary offense. But we are looking at it

074in terms of um in alignment with this law so that we can make sure we've added any additional details that's required to safeguard the process. >> Can I just ask a question to that? So if say it's found that a student intentionally damages a pouch, would that also follow existing code of conduct? >> Well, that would fall under damaging school property. And so there would be a consequence for that and we have been reviewing some of that and we'll be taking a deeper dive on it as well. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Is there any other discussion from any other board member regarding this policy? Seeing none, there's already a motion on the table. Um all those in favor? >> I I >> I. >> All those opposed. Motion carries. 5 not on the

075agenda, but Dr. Talbert um is is there someone here that can Yeah. That can I I I have a high tolerance for coldness, but I know when I start getting chilly, everyone around me is freezing. >> Freezing. >> She said she was going to what she could do. Oh, >> our our facilities person's not here, right? He's okay. Okay. All right. No worries. Okay. Very good. Next on the agenda, we have agenda item 2 C. >> Okay, >> it's okay. It's okay. >> Okay. >> All right. Okay. So, next on our agenda, we have agenda item two. I lost my place. >> 2C 2C1. So, there has to be an amendment to this because there's a typographical error on the motion. The typographical error was an incorrect end date. Um, the end date was listed

076as 6:30 2025, which is incorrect. The correct end date for this contract should be 6:30 2026. So, is there I'm proposing a motion to amend the agenda to um uh to correct it with the amendment that I just made. Is >> motion >> second? >> I'm sorry. It's for 2C2. It's for the committee. >> Not for the district clerk. >> No, it's the district clerk. >> It's for the committee or the district clerk. >> It is this. >> Oh, I apologize. I apologize. Okay. So, 2C1 is appointment part-time district clerk and that does not require any kind of amendment. Okay. Motion to approve agenda item 2C1. >> Motion. Okay. First by uh trustee Seahhoff, second by vice second vice president Chris Nearing. All of those in favor. >> All of those opposed. Okay. Motion carries.

0775. >> Thank you. >> Oh yes. And welcome. He's here. >> Can she take her seat or is it not? No, not yet. Okay. Well, thank you and uh welcome to the Amigo family. We're very happy to have very happy to have you and welcome to the team. >> Okay. All right. Very good. Okay. Next on the agenda is agenda item 2C2, which is establish interview selection committee. This is the motion that I'm sorry, this is the agenda item that needs revision. Like I like I said before, the end date was typed as 6:30 2025, which is uh incorrect. It should be 6:30 2026. So is there a motion to amend the agenda to reflect this change? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. First by uh Mr. Nearing, second by Trustee Kretz. All those in

078favor? >> I I >> I. Motion carries 5. And now we will vote on the amended uh uh agenda item. So agenda item 2 C2 establish interview selection committee >> motion. >> Okay. >> Second >> first by Mr. Nearing second by trustee Mesman. Is there any discussion regarding this? >> Are you going to lead that decision? >> Sorry. Right. >> So, um, looking over at our legal counsel. So, John, we are going to make the selection now and then approve this. Correct? >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, >> okay. So, go ahead. >> Okay. So, here, let me do a little a little explaining. So, number one, um the board of education in an effort to uh increase community involvement um made it part of our policy to include community members and parents in

079the hiring committee for administrators such as principles and assistant principles, etc. So, we put out we put out a um what do you want to call it? A survey where we solicited uh individuals that would that wanted to serve. This is a position that doesn't pay. It's a voluntary it's a voluntary uh position. So what the board did was we went through all those applications. Individuals that applied that are already currently serving on the budgetary committee we did not include in this because they are already serving in a capacity to to help this district. So we thank them for wanting to do this, but they're serving on the capacity as a volunteer on the budgetary committee. We also had to exclude individuals that um their time frame of availability did not line up with the

080needs of the district. So, the hours of the district to perform these interviews is Monday through Friday generally be generally between the times of 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. And we do need someone to be here this not five days a week, but it might just be one day, but we're going to need you for that entire day. You can't come for half a day um and then not the other half. It wouldn't be beneficial and it would just take away from someone else's spot. So, with that being said, I'm going to read the names of the individuals that um were qualified based on their availability, and we're going to put them in this bucket. And if you don't mind, we're going to have we're going to have our student offici select the five. So,

081I'm going to read them out loud for those individuals that may not be here. Okay. So, the first one is Stephanie Andrews. The second is Christine Oompa. The third is Candace Jarvis. Next is Donell Cronin. Next is Jessica Mitchell. Jodi Runfola, uh, Mora Biano, Jacqueline Stevenson, and Kayla Cooper. We will now shake this up, give it to our student, and you will select five. one at a time. And if you don't mind, well, if you don't mind, you can read the name out loud. And the first selection, >> Mara Biano, >> Christine Oompa. >> Okay, just a little bit slower because we have to write this down. Go ahead, >> Candace Jarvis. That was three, correct? >> Yes. >> Okay, two more. >> Jessica Jessica Michael >> last >> Jacqueline Stevenson. >> Okay, >> so

082ladies and gentlemen, those are the five that the board will be appointing to also work on the selection committee. Big thank you to uh Miss Mullins for participating in the process >> and and thank you to the volunteers for everyone for submitting their names and and being interested in helping with the hiring committee. >> Okay. >> Hey, can we just confirm the names that we have selected? >> Oh, you would like me to read them or you would like to read them? >> Either I'll read who I have. >> Sure. Uh, got Mora Biano, Candace Jarvis, Jessica Mitchell, Jacqueline Stevenson, and Christine Umba. That's correct. Thank you. >> Agreed. >> Okay. So, there is a motion on the table. There's already been a first and second. So, at this point, um, all those in favor

083of accepting this, >> I >> All those um, all those opposed, seeing none, motion carries. 5-0. >> And, and thank you to everyone that had the willingness to to serve. And I guarantee you the board of education is going to continue to find ways to get community members more and more involved. So, thank you for that. Our next agenda item is agenda item two three I'm sorry 3A1 2025 2026 Districtwide Safety and Emergency Management Plan. Okay. Okay. Is there a motion to accept? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. First by Trusty Nearing, second by Trustee Seahhoff. Um discussion. >> There was already a presentation on the plan. >> So um so the plan has I I have my notes here in my one note, but um the appointments and the district safety team as being

084indicated on September 16th, 2024. Um, I don't recall doing that. Then there was no meeting on September 16th, and I wasn't on the district safety team. So, there's just, you know, that the all of that in the beginning of this plan um isn't accurate. >> There need to be update. >> Yeah, I thinkformational update. There was probably information taken from the uh health and wellness committee. >> I think maybe that's where the typo was. >> Let me see if I can find a page because I'm looking at my notes here. Um, okay. It's on page eight. >> Mhm. and nine. Um, so again, I wasn't on the district safety team. I did serve on the health and safety committee. I was never asked to be on the district safety team. Um, >> and I didn't

085I I don't remember appointing anybody to the district safety team. So, that was one comment. And it says in here that we did that on September 16th. Again, there was no meeting on September 16th, 2024. Um, so how frequently did this group meet just from my own knowledge? >> Uh, Dr. Talbert, >> I don't have the dates before me. Um but they met um every quarter. >> Believe there were four meetings. >> Yeah, every quarter uh there were meetings around the safety team and then there were additional meetings in between their quarterly meetings. >> Okay. Um we didn't appoint anybody for this year. Is that something that's pending? for this upcoming year. The health and safety committee is different than is different than this districtwide safety. >> Um, >> didn't we have this confusion last

086year on the committee that Megan was appointed to? >> I'm not confused. I >> No, I don't I'm not meaning like you're confused. I think we had a discussion at some point talking about who was on what committees. >> Confusion last year was around the original Amityville Teachers Association um safety and wellness committee and then a district committee was formed. So there were actually two committees meeting. That's where the confusion was. But the original function but just different entities. >> It was more of a um building safety committee that had started with ATA many many years ago and then >> Evan Farcus was in charge of the district. >> Right. >> Am I right? >> That's with not last year. >> This is this is actually now some a third committee. >> So, right. So,

087we didn't appoint any we didn't appoint board members at our reorgcoming year for this committee. No, >> no, we didn't. I just want to say that and I, you know, and we didn't do it last year because Carol, you were on that building level safety committee which was the confusion and I was on the district health and safety. Um, so I just want to be clear so when we go forward if we do have a committee that has schoolboard members that we actually all appoint somebody to it and I don't know then who else on here really didn't participate in this um development of this plan. Um and we did have a presentation by the consultant Alteras. >> Yes. Um, and the updates that he presented don't seem to be in here. So, you know,

088that was I wasn't sure why that would be. Uh, for example, let's see, we talked about how we had to do a little health and safety moment at the beginning of every event district wide in our schoolboard meetings. I didn't see that in here. Um, I thought there was an update to frequency of drills. Um, I can't remember off the top of my head, but I when I was reading this, it didn't seem to have been updated. Um, and then the we this was posted on the old website, I guess, for the 30-day comment period, and that wasn't filled in. >> The 30-day comment period ended July 13th. 10th July 10th. So it transferred over to the new website when it transferred over. >> I didn't try to find it. >> So I guess I'm

089mentioning all this and I'm not ready to approve it because I think that there's updates that should have been clarified um even before the 30 days. Well, the pages 8, 9, and 48, they all need to be updated with um Dr. Weight's name is still here. Finance and operations, Mr. Schneider is not mentioned. >> Um or something else, too. So, those need to be updated and and eight too parent organization Maria Rodz is not there anymore >> and the that organization does not exist anymore. So that >> right >> turned into the PTA. Is that what they're doing now? >> Yes, but there's two divisions of it. There's secondary and Okay. >> elementary. So would that would that be two >> positions for that or would it just be >> like there's there's a secondary

090P um grade PTA and then there's elementary PTA. So it's basically two different organizations >> that are kind of working cohesively. So would we have positions for both of those >> on the district safety plan? I mean the I the more parents the more parents Yes. >> Like right right here there's one >> position because there was one parent organization but now there's technically two. >> That's fine. >> Yeah. Uh, and then this one, the the person for that parent organization has a district um email address listed. Is that is that typical normal practice for them to have a district email address? >> No, I don't I'm not sure if that's correct. >> Right. I noticed that too. So, >> not sure if that's correct. I mean also also on this I mean we we

091can keep on going on but also on page eight underneath that email we're also missing emails for other individuals. So like like trusty methman said this seems to be last year's that really does require right that does that does require some updating. So my my question is this and this is for Dr. Talbert it also might be a question for council when when does this have to be approved and put in place? What is the deadline? >> So, this needs to be approved by the board prior to September 1st. I believe September 1st. We have to update it. Um, in our consultation with Alarus um when he did the presentation, he did demonstrate at that time where the additional inserts were. I don't have that before me at this time. I also want to just

092distinguish that this is the district-wide safety and emergency um the district safety team which um trusty sehoff and messen were discussing as different when the board approves the plan you're you're at that time approving the persons who are listed to be members. So we would like the opportunity to update those members um and that would constitute who is um you know on the committee. >> Okay. So see seeing that this really is not um prepared for a vote tonight um council what is the best what is the recommendation uh to table this? >> Yes the recommendation would be to table this and bring it back. >> Does that require a vote? Uh was a motion second already? >> Yes. So there should be an intervening motion to table. >> Okay. So I I will introduce

093the interven intervening motion and my intervening motion is to table this for further discussion um and and for it to be updated. Okay. Is there um >> second? >> Yep. First and I'm sorry. Who's first? >> Oh, I'll be first. >> Okay. supposed to let ladies go first. >> I don't know. I I can't see who was doing it. >> Okay, you you got it. Chris Chris is first. Second is uh Trustee Mesman. All those in favor? >> I >> All those opposed. Motion carries 5-0. Dr. Talbert, we hope to have this for our next meeting, August 13th. Okay. Moving to agenda item 3A. I'm sorry. Correction 3B. Is there any objection to doing 3B1 through 3B10 all together? >> No objection. Okay. Motion to approve. Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. First by uh Trusty

094Nearing, second by Trustee Cretz. Any discussion? Seeing none. All those in favor? I >> I. All those opposed. >> Motion carries. 50. With regards to agenda item 3B11, probationary appointment, uh that is to be determined. Um we don't have that for tonight, so we will not be calling that for a vote. So we would like to do agenda item 3B12 until 3B. I have 2208. Okay. Is there a motion to approve? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. First by uh Chris Nearing, second by Trusty Mesman. Any discussion? All those in favor? >> I. All those opposed? Motion carries. 5-0. Okay. Seeing that there are more to be determined on agenda items um see 3B 209 to 214. Again, we will not be calling those for a vote. We do not have names to put in

095there at this moment. Again, that is 209 and 214. So at this point we would like to amend the agenda to amend items 215 through items 220 and we will be adding the following names respectively. Go for item for item 215. I'm not going to say his name right. I apologize. Mike Abadandolo. I got it. Okay. 216 Nick Demand, 217 Kesha Haye, 218 John Bell, 219 Corine Zachary, and 220 Dan Manley. Is there a motion to approve this amendment? Motion. >> Okay. First by Trusty Seoff, second by um Mr. Nearing. All those in favor? >> Can I can I just ask about the program? Yes. I I apologize. So, we didn't we didn't take the vote. Go ahead. Discussion. >> I just curious uh because this hadn't been mentioned yet and I saw the posting.

096This if you could speak to it. So, this program is to encourage physical fitness during the summer. Um we're targeting students at the Park Avenue building to make sure that they have opportunities during the summer. It's part of the safe and healthy schools initiative. >> Okay. Okay. So, is that still the same grant money that we've been using for all the summer programs? >> Well, they're all different ones. This one is grant money. It's title four and it's part of the safe and healthy schools. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. Motion to approve agenda items as amended. Motion. >> Okay. >> Is it open to all students in the district? Just curious because I I there was a mention at the last meeting that at all of our summer programs open to all students. >>

097So students in that age range the the third through fifth grade. All right. Thank you. >> Sorry. I'm sorry. >> No, no, no. It's okay. Yeah. No. Ask >> I'm I'm an I I but I I just wanted to clarify the program. >> I mean that's why we're here. Do you have any other discussion points? No. Okay. So again to um to approve agenda items 3B 209 through 214 as amended. We had a first and a second. It was uh this is 215 to 220. >> Correction 215 to 220. Okay. And the first was I believe Carol. >> Second was uh second vice president um Nearing. >> Okay. Discussion. >> I'm done. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> I. >> All those opposed? None. Motion carries. 5-0. If there's no objection, we would like

098to do agenda items 3B until 362. Is there any objection? Seeing none, motion to approve. >> Second. >> Okay. First by Trusty Seahhoff, second by Trusty Cretz. Okay. Discussion. I actually have a question for discussion. Um, agenda item 221 and 222. One is varsity game day cheerleading assistant coach and the other item is varsity traditional cheerleading assistant coach. I don't know the difference between the two. Uh Dr. Talbert. >> So they are two different seasons. The game day is the fall season and the traditional is the winter season. They are both eligible for competitions. Okay, very good. Any other discussion regarding these items? Seeing none, all those in favor? I. >> All those opposed? None. Motion carries. 5-0. Moving to agenda item 3 C 1 which is donations. Is there a motion to approve? >>

099Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. First by Mr. Nearing, second by uh Trustee Cretz. Any discussion? I I have one quick point of discussion. I see that these number one, I'm always grateful for donations, but I see that we're approving them retroactively that this was these were donations made during the school year. Is there any reason why these donate why the board couldn't or didn't approve them and at an earlier meeting I was looking for dates on the original letters. I could only answer you with an assumption that during the transition there were delays in bringing forward the donation. >> Okay. Right. Again, we're always grateful for donations. I just wanted to know why why they were late with accepting them. Okay. All those in favor? >> I. All those opposed? >> Motion carries. 5-0. Agenda

100item 3C2, budget transfers. Is there a motion to approve? Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. First by Trusty Nearing, second by Trustee Cretz. Discussion. >> Yes. >> Okay. Trusty Mesman. >> I'm hoping for some clarity because that's not the value that I was anticipating. And I also um it would be helpful to have the July appropriations report so that we could actually see because we only have May. We don't even have through the end of June and July now is the new budget, right? So >> yeah, >> this dollar amount is the full amount of the settlement with Honeywell which we're required to reflect on our books for 2425 under accounting principles. We paid half of that amount already. The other half is payable in October, but the accounting rules require us to to reflect it

101all on our books as of June 30th. >> So, but it's July 23rd. So, we'll have So, we're doing it now, but it's going to reflect on >> Yeah. >> June 30th. >> June's books are still open because they're subject to audit. So, that typically is the month that takes the longest to close. So this will be reflected as a June 30th transaction. >> So okay. So So then I still want to see this year's appropriations, but you're saying everything is coming out of last year. >> I could I could provide the board with a June appropriation status, but it will change. >> No, understood. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. and you would see the transaction on the appropriation status for June, but there's still a lot more closing entries that are are going to get

102booked between now and into August, >> right? Okay. But we're going to So, we're going to exceed we're not going to wait until October for the second payment. >> The the second the cash is due to the vendor in in October, >> right? So you still get the benefit of the cash flow even though >> wait. >> Yeah. So we're holding on to half of that cash for a little bit longer, but the expense and the budget have to be moved under accounting principles by June 30th because the legal settlement is dated prior to June 30th and we know the dollar amount. >> Okay. So um Mr. Schneider, I just I I also have some questions too. I mean, just just so everyone understands, the amount the amount of this transfer is $778,000. >> Yes,

103sir. >> So, it's it's just shy of a million dollars. So, please just take me through a couple of things. So, a a payment was already made, correct? >> Yes, sir. >> In in the amount of roughly how much? >> I believe it was 338,000. Is that something half? >> Yeah, it was. >> I was probably half. Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, it's half. >> So, that came from the budget line judgments and claims, correct? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, so why are we putting 778 for the full amount into that budget line if it's half paid already? Are we replenishing it? What's the logic? We made the first payment at the end of June as required by the settlement for the 300 some thousand dollars that put the code in the negative. We

104put the full amount of the transfer on now because we're going to have to acrue under accounting standards the other half. So the expenditure gets reflected as of June 30th. when we pay it in October, the payable gets lowered. But the budget has to be in place now because we don't like codes being negative and we're working diligently now to clear all negatives on the June appropriation status report. We're just doing this one advance because we know what the settlement amount is. And I believe we spoke about this at one of the public meetings where I said, "Okay, it was going to be on the next agenda, >> right? >> We're moving the full amount of the funds." Now the the expenditure the full expenditure is there. So it's all equal but you should know

105that half of that cash is still in our cash account because we don't have to pay it until October. So the concept is an approval that you can have an expense that exists on your books even though you haven't paid it yet. >> Understood. So take me through the logic why why we allowed that budget line item to go into the negative and not do this sooner. >> There was no budget set up for judgments and claims because I can only speculate at the time. >> That's why I couldn't find it on my budget sheet. >> Yeah. Because when it's zero and there's no appropriation, there's no expense, it doesn't show up on the report. That's correct. Now it will because the expense is there and the budget is there. So I can provide the

106board. >> Okay. Understood. So so you created a budget line for this specifically for this purpose. >> Uh >> yes the code of this. Yeah. But there was no appropriation. There was no expense. So it never came before the board >> in any fashion because there were no deductions or claims to budget until this settlement came about. >> Understood. The other part to my question is the account that it's coming from health insurance. Tell me about how tell me tell me about that account and how that account can can bear this kind of transfer. The 2425 budget is ending in very good shape. I know my predecessor had reported a a surplus. I believe the number was $2 million. I see more than $2 million. And that surplus, a good portion of it resides in

107health benefits. was a good year in the sense that we came in under budget in health benefits probably because the nice ship policy plan only increased maybe a percentage point and I could only speculate what my predecessor did with that budget that there was some surplus funds there but it's you know certainly not the only code that came in under budget transportation a lot of salaries we have a a rather significant surplus coming our So this code, we're using a piece of that surplus out of the health benefits to move it into judgments and claims to settle this issue. >> And how how do you replenish that? >> We don't have to because the budget for health benefits was so much greater than the actual expenditure that we took that little bit of a difference

108to fund this issue and still had enough money in that code to cover all the health insurance bills which are already in. We already know what our health insurance expense is for the school year. >> So, does this health insurance budget line have an excess of $778,000? >> Not anymore, but it had more than 778,000 in surplus in that one code. >> Sure. Roughly, what is what is the current balance before roughly >> in that code? uh currently just roughly doesn't have to be an exact number. >> I want to be precise. >> Okay. Again, it's the same issue trusty meman or the the appropriations as I have in front of me is it has doesn't have June in front of me, but I would venture to say that the code will have still after

109this transfer 200,000 left over in it. >> I I >> it's a ballpark number. I hope you can appreciate that. >> No, no, I I I can I can appreciate that. But al also to follow up on to follow up on a comment you made earlier. The reason why we don't have June is because there's still a lot of outstanding issues that have to be settled. I'm not sure if we can say with confidence that we have a surplus yet. I mean, we anticipate one. I would agree it's anticipated. >> There are a lot of codes right now that have surpluses in them on both the revenue and expenditure side. And it's our job as business officials, >> even my predecessor, that we have to project what we're going to see because the board has

110a right to hear those projections knowing they're wrong. But the 2425 budget is looks very strong the way it said it. >> Understood. And Honey Honeywell wants the second payment when? >> Roughly October. >> October 15th. >> All right. Don't don't look at me with frustration. Why are we paying this now? We have more money or or am I missing this? >> No, it's I appreciate you asking. >> We have to show the full >> well not paying but why are we transferring? Explain that to me. >> Um I think because it came up in a previous public session where you had said well where's the money coming from? And I said really has to come from judgments and claims and we had already obligated 300 some thousand. What's the purpose of transferring it now

111and not transferring it in June once you close the books? >> Uh, no, nothing really. >> No, it's judgment I suppose and it's to clean it up and because we did speak about this in previous meeting >> because this specific code, the health benefit code, >> yeah, >> clearly has surplus in it. >> Okay. So, we're we're comfortable moving that >> well that amount. >> My my my opinion and I other board members don't have to share this would be to wait until we we don't even have the appropriations for June. So, you know, we don't know what expenses you know we you know out and in the books aren't settled for me. If Honeywell is not requesting their money till October, we don't have to do this transfer now unless there's some reason that

112on this no this is a transfer that has to be done now because on the it's on the AC cruel basis right so the orers came in said that since this num this debt is known total amount is known that it's properly accused to last year's budget even though the cash the by virtue of the settlement, you have the benefit of the cash flow benefit that you don't have to pay until October. So, you're not actually going to pay until October, but you're going to realize it on paper for last year's budget >> last year. Okay? and anticipate that as all of these budget transactions shake out in the school in the school year from the time June 30th to when the the um the financial reports are created um that you're going to see

113a lot of transfers because you have to you know go through your budget and make sure that the actual expenditures hit the hit the actual codes. Right? So, this is just one example where the code is in your budget, but it wasn't utilized prior to this transaction and that's why it is hit your budget as a negative because it was acrual based and so you had to make that transfer within your overall scope of your budget. >> Understood. Understood. Thank you. Thank you for that explanation. Are are there any other board members with questions regarding this item? >> Okay. Yes. >> Uh Mr. Snyder, in terms of the budgeted amount for health insurance, could you just explain a little bit as to how that works? So, in January, the rates are finalized by the health

114insurance companies. A couple of years ago, NICHEP had a huge spike of like 10% and so districts were kind of caught out there. Can you elaborate on that just a little bit? >> It's a fair point. We school districts have to budget for health insurance knowing only half the rate because when we adopt the budget in April, all we know, we'll talk about this coming up here, all we'll know is the rate for 26. So, we're going to have to guess what the rate is for the first half of 27 because we simply won't know. And a year ago, the health insurance rates that came in for the second half of the year, I believe it was either 1% or is that it might have been a cut. So, I think a lot of districts

115now have a bit of a surplus in their health benefit codes because we simply have to guess what the rate increase will be for 50% of the year. >> And Olivia guessed very high. She did. She could. >> Yes, ma'am. >> Yeah. It was a very protective budgeting technique. Yes. >> Okay. Any other discussion regarding this item? >> Okay. Um, did we already take a motion for this? >> Yes. Okay. All right. So, all those in favor? >> I I >> All those opposed? Motion carries. 5-0. Moving to agenda item 3D D under finance is a treasures report for May 2025. Okay. Is there a motion to approve this motion by trusty Naring? Second by trustee cret. Is there any discussion regarding this item? >> Yep. I have a few comments. Um there were two

116just to again with the claims ordered there were two instances where the PO was encumbered after the service and one where we in the invoice was held for 90 days. So it's I don't just trying to get better each time to avoid things like that. Um I also see at the end of May we still we had 25.3 million encumbered and I you know I just made the point like we the board hasn't seen June. So are you able to speak to where we are in those incumbrances? >> Yeah I actually wrote it down just >> anticipating that >> the incumbrance today is 5.3. Okay, >> you can see we it came down rather radically which is somewhat normal because of pension expenses come in and salaries in June are bigger with teacher payouts and

117all that. So it it's expected and that 5.3 that's remaining is more evidence to me of a surplus condition that we're in. >> Do you have a projection of where we'll end? Uh I' I'd like one more week to look at TRS before I go public with it, but Okay. >> It's higher than two million, I'll tell you that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Oh, one more thing. I'm sorry. One I um >> with the RS Abrams report, there were two accounts that we don't have in our monthly treasurer's report. So, can we convey to our treasurer that we get that in June? >> Thank you. Any other discussion regarding this agenda item? Seeing none, is there a motion to approve agenda item 3 D1, treasures report? >> Motion was already there. >> I'm sorry,

118you're correct. Motion was already there. Okay. All those in favor? >> I. All those opposed? >> Okay. Motion carries. 50. Is there a motion to approve agenda item 3 F1, approval of conferences? >> Second. >> Okay. First is Carol Seahhoff. Second is uh Mr. Nearing. Is there any discussion regarding this? >> I just um >> this item >> is it through a grant >> because it's zero. That's what I Okay. >> I'm sorry. I didn't hear an answer to that. >> It's for It's either a grant or an award from the organ the professional organization. I just to see zero was >> Okay. Any further discussion? Okay. All those in favor? >> I. All those opposed? >> Motion carries. 5-0. Okay. Moving to agenda item three pages here. 3F 4, which is old business. Is

119there any old business to be brought forth? >> Yes. >> Okay. Trusty Mesman. >> Um Okay. So, just just following up on some previous points. Um are we still on track to have an update on the status of all of our open foils by the end? Was that the end of this week we were targeting? >> It will go home in its current status on Friday. >> Okay. Excellent. subject to change based on, you know, new information, but I'll explain that in the newsletter to the superintendent. >> Right. Okay. Um, we also discussed sending out out outreach to the members of the SEBACK, the community budget committee before the end of the month. Um, are we still on track to do that? >> Yes, we're on track to do that. I believe we did send

120the updated charge um home to the board so you can familiarize yourselves with what was previously approved and for the August 13th meeting um we should be able to bring those names back to the board um for continuation. >> Okay. So that was an updated charge. So that's where I just wanted to clarify. There was updates to that or that was the one that we used last year. That was last year's charge for you to review and bring whatever updated changes you would like. >> Okay. So, I didn't necessarily have anything to change, but I would ask that the charge go out to the members when they get contacted to comm, you know, participate again. I don't know. Did they get that last year? The court charge. >> I'm sure they did. Mr. Frasier um

121shared a lot of information with them. Um if the board is saying there are no chart no changes, then we can move forward, but we wanted you to be able to review that and indicate if there were any changes. >> Okay, understood. I know I I didn't realize that there I forgot the part about their ability to create subcommittees or their ability to meet without the assistant super. So, I just was just asking that the charge go out with the outreach to the members so that they can read it again as well. Um, and then we were supposed to have all of the documents provided to the CBACK on the district website. So, has that all been transferred over? The district website is under construction with the transition and there's particular focus on the um

122business office aspect because in the transition a lot of the files went archived and so even as we heard the internal auditor indicate that there were some files that were not there um trustee Fanning also emphasized some files so we've been discussing and those are reoccurring to be brought back to the forefront and with that will be the CBAC. Now last year it was in two places. It was under the board because it's a board appointed a committee and it was also under business. >> Okay. >> Charge says under the board >> the says that >> there was a tab under board that said committees, >> right? >> And then under committees was CBAC. >> Okay. with the charge and perhaps some other documents, but we had it in two places. So, if that's the

123pleasure of the board as we're rebuilding that, we will indicate it in two places again. >> Good. >> That's fine by me. >> Okay. >> Sure. >> Um, okay. As far as northeast goes, I understand there's many families weight listed. Is there going to be what's the plan? Is there going to be communication to let them know that they didn't make the cut or people I think families are still thinking that there's a potential and we have well over 85. It's my understanding. Um what I'm hearing there's families that think that they're weight listed. >> You mean there's well over 85 that are currently enrolled or >> No, I'm sorry. I'm just saying well over 85 that had applied. So that difference of those families that are weight listed, what's the plan to there? What's

124the plan? When do they find out? So there was a cut off date, >> right? >> And when they register, registration will inform them that they're put on a waiting list. And so there's usually no mass communication, but they understand where they are on the waiting list. So when one student transfers out, that next parent is then contacted to say there's a slot. >> Okay. >> but at this time there's they would know. So, you're saying like student 86 would already know if they had the opportunity to go to attend, but there's no plan to we're still going forward with 85 students. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. I just want to be clear because I don't there's some families that maybe thought that maybe that was still in question. Um, okay. I I had requested

125the uh enrollment information about the charter schools and I I I was almost wondering if there was going to be um sort of some sort of trend that we would use to I don't know respond to trying to keep these students in the district. Um but it's not it's just straight across the board uh for all the grades. Um, so I guess I would like to suggest exit surveys to these families to obtain feedback. You know, what just, you know, general just can you share your thoughts, your experience, you know, why did you make the decision? And then maybe that would be something that the district can use to try to address going forward. Um I'm >> Could you just ask a question that's relevant to the charter schools before we move on? Is is

126there any way to tell the students enrolled in the charter schools if they have maybe moved into the district and never attended our schools or how many of them already attended our schools and then left the district to attend the charter schools? Sure, we would have that data. >> Okay, thank you. >> Um, has there been any um transportation requests to schools beyond the 15 miles? Remember, we had opens for the approval through August 1st. >> I can ask. >> Okay. >> Beyond the 17th. >> Yeah, it was up to the 17 miles. >> Yeah. Okay. I would just curious and then if we had to go forward with the centralized pickup location just more of a curiosity. Um and then the director of HR position was posted for two weeks and I just wanted

127to bring that to the board's attention because I thought that we had maybe were hoping that we could have that be a longer posting like three or to four weeks. So, I know it's up there, but could it just be extended since it's already up there? You're shaking your head. You can't just extend it. I >> mean, of course, it could be extended, but the expedient need uh is to get someone in prior to the opening of school. Um, it's a very busy time during the summer for HR. Uh, Miss Stevens and I are spending an inordinate amount of time with HR. So expeditiously we're trying to fill that position so we can have a smooth opening for school. >> Okay. I just, you know, it just jumped out at me because I obviously having

128more time the better with the posting, but um I also noticed that there were some trips to plays being offered. Um so I was just surprised. So what was it like what's happening? like we're just we're finding money and we're just adding these offerings. >> Miss Stevens can elaborate on some good news for the students >> for that particular program. Um it was part of the leaders of tomorrow and we did save some money on transportation for the school year program. Um, so this was a way that we could honor the integrity of the grant purpose. And so we decided that we would run this summer arts adventure, giving as many students as possible the opportunity to engage in activities they might not otherwise be able to do. Okay. Thank you. I mean, I totally

129missed the parent square. So, was there a lot of was it well attended? Because I think there's an event this Friday. Do you have >> Are you getting There are several. We are getting students to participate. They're very excited about it. Um, there are still more that we're trying to book and advertise. So, okay. And then I guess you can just do it through the end of the summer with last year's leaders of tomorrow. >> Correct. Our funds. We have to use them by August 30th. Let's see. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for asking answering my questions. Also under new business, um Dr. Tabert, I believe at the last board meeting, the board of education mentioned that we would like a date to go visit our summer school program. I'm not sure if you've

130been able to work that out yet with um with um Mary Stevens to find an appropriate date. >> Sure. We were able to um include it in last Friday's news and notes. And the date is, >> say it loud, >> July 30th. >> Okay. >> July 30th. And this Friday, we'll send home the schedule to the board event. >> I apologize if I missed that. I don't know how I did. >> Okay. July 30th. >> Okay. >> The 22nd is the tour. >> The tour, >> right? The the walkth through. The August 22nd. Okay. >> Are there any other board members that have any other old business to discuss at this moment? Okay, seeing none, we're going to move on to agenda item 3F5, which is new business. Is there any new business to discuss

131tonight? >> I don't Some of mine might have been new. I just kind of blended. >> That's fine. Yep. I mean, is there any more? >> I don't. >> Okay. Agenda item three F seven. Oh, no. I'm sorry. Six. >> 3F6. Community input regarding non-board agenda items only. So, if there are any community members that would like to speak on non-aggenda items, please come up to the microphone. Seeing none, agenda item 3F7 under reports, legal counsel for the district. Is there any report for the board of education? >> No, my report was an executive session. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. Agenda item 3F7B, Board of Education. Are there any other board reports? Seeing none, um, next agenda item is 3F8, which is adjournment. Is there a motion to adjourn this meeting? >> Second. >>

132Okay. First by Trustee Cretz, second by Trustee Seahhoff. Discussion. Nope. Um, all those in favor? I >> I. All those opposed. Motion carries 5-0. We'd like to thank everyone for coming out to our meeting tonight. Please have a nice evening. Thank you. I'm sorry.