001e e e that's I'm just gonna hold a moment make sure we're getting the audio R away okay good okay I'd like to open up the uh the special meeting today um and we'll discuss some budget um concerns and um line items and um everybody would please stand for the question flag United States of America stands [Music] IND you please roll call thank you John goo here Tim clerk here Audra all here Sarah bashinsky here Chris Boucher is not here Ken Chester here terara rther here okay is there any Community comments um no but can we do in U motion for accepting the agenda we certainly can thank you I'd like to get a motion to accept the agenda motion Tim Ken is a second all in favor thank you good okay I would like
002to um hand this over to our superintendent and our business manager for some budgetary issues or not issues but Workshop sounds good all right work y all right thanks everybody for coming in this evening um we're going to see how this works for us with our new well we got a new Smartboard it's bigger than this one we put it in the gymnasium where fits the room better from uh from there and then the one that was in the gym is over here this way we can change the configuration of this room if we wanted to use it this way we wanted to use it this way so this is going to be what we're going to use for our Smart Board we took out the old one that was dark and hard to use
003anyways so this Smartboard is going to give us a whole lot more uh flexibility not only for our board meetings but uh all the different uses that use for so uh this is a special meeting that you folks authorized uh at our last board meeting uh when on that agenda we had um a presentation for you which was to be the uh final overall presentation with the intent that the final number which is all you are approving is the total spending package that we would then put into all the state documents that are required to go out our tax uh report card and all of our Publications that we need to do for our public budget vote the intent was to vote on that evening so that we could do all those things get information
004out there and then you have your formal budget hearing and then the budget vote which happens the third Tuesday of May um as we all know just so we're all on the same page there was a request uh by Chris to table that um which the room listened to and we did that with the intent we would have a um opportunity for more presentation and answer any and all questions that uh he as well as you as board members may want to ask um instead of having an isolated conversation because you vote on it as a collective group it was my position and I had a long conversation with the president that it should be a full group discussion about questions so that we all hear the question and you get the answer so that
005we can then come back as a collective group and have you vote on so then we started floating out dates and times of when we could all get together to pull this off this was the date that was selected uh and the time a little sooner than a 6:30 start to try and uh be respectful of everybody's evening and so here we are so before we get to the questions Chris and I've thought a lot about this we'd like to take you through some slides of some items that have been discussed in the other presentations that we've done uh and their dollar values as well as in our continual uh ability to listen and make refinements the best we can we've made some other adjustments in the budget and we're going to take you down
006to a final budget number in comparison to what last year's budget was or the one we're currently operating on with the one we're proposing and the budget to budget increase so that's how we're going to do this once you have that information you may have still some specific things you want to talk about we're not going to take a long time on this CU a lot of it is a replication of what you've always already heard but we're going to boil it down into some reminders and some summaries for you to make sure you have plenty of time to ask questions as we go right AB so welcome again to our budget update and tonight's topic points again hopefully will address all the questions we've had are we're going to review the key additions that
007we're proposing for our budget updated Revenue updated three-part budget our tax report card and the final draft of our 2526 budget so let's talk about these key additions so what I've done I try to dissect as as more granular as you can see so in each budget line we have say we're going to re uh retain our interim superintendent that's kind of what we are proposing for the budget uh what we have increased over last year's budget um this is not including the fact that Ben is a retired person so there are savings within this uh our business office has two retirees so there's uh savings within those so these are just salary numbers so but I wanted to also let that be out there that there are savings because we are currently having three
008retirees be embedded with an our system here so that is the the structure we're trying to restructure Administration we were talking about sustainable leadership what we currently have is not a really sustainable Model A lot of people are kind of getting their uh chomping their teeth on Fort Edward and leaving as soon as they get here we can't keep doing the revolving door so that has been something we've spotlighted as a major problem here it's hard to keep um moving our ball forward when all we keep doing is having a change of leadership so what we have decided to present is again a total budget of the 285,000 which is 85 or 80,500 more than last year's budget but what we're doing is we're segmenting out an elementary principle a secondary principle assistant principal athletic
009director so these are again taking a lot of uh conversations that we've had finding areas where we need to improve and this is the model that we have decided will be our best and associated with those roles the elementary principal would also continue with our our P2 program K through 12 as well as being our school Improvement and testing coordinator so they both that would have multiple responsibilities the secondary principal would also have uh uh multiple responsibilities and that you see that the director of PPS is not listed here because as I've talked about it would be a uh 6 through 12 principle with director of special education as their secondary responsibility and then assisting both of them in their job responsibilities as it goes to supervision uh a big piece of the discipline and
010then uh having an assigned administrator rather than us kind of all wearing the Hat of our Athletics which we feel uh it's time if we really want to take our programs um and our Recruitment and uh our collaboration with neighboring districts as well as uh community and and youth uh opportunities that are out there I wanted to make that a full-time administrative position uh with a good chunk of their responsibility being you know assisting the two principles with the discipline piece and then overseeing from top to bottom the athletic department as well as inter murals and recreation activities Y and the other additional piece would be full-time substitutes we are currently getting Stacks every payroll of just figuring out how to substitute the this will allow us not only to help with some of that
011hemorrhaging of funds but we can actually put it in a proactive way so you actually can start maybe even start um attracting those who might be a teacher for the future uh getting them into our system so they can kind of work um did you want to speak more to the substitute piece um I had this model in my previous District larger District so there was more of them but we had permanent subs and they would come every day that's their job they don't wait for the sub call from the sub sub service they show up every day and they're the first ones to get their assignments as to where you need them for the given day and uh one teacher and one teaching assistant and if in the very rare circumstance that you don't
012have any need for substitutes which maybe very in the first couple of weeks of school that might be the case but after that it becomes extremely rare um it also is a great opportunity to use them in other capacities for anything you may need for that particular day but it's very rare that you have a day where they're not being assigned to a very specific classroom um and certainly um at the end of the year with all the testing that occurs through Regents exams and testing modifications that need to be given for kids uh at the end of the year when we also don't have a lot of absences they can be utilized to provide modifications to our students as we go through those last couple weeks in June and I highlighted the business office
013because it seems to be kind of an area of uh questions and this is why I can speak to this it's my world also but um right now I'm proposing to have we're proposing to have five positions the reason again is for that sustainable leadership and also knowing that a few years ago your biggest risk and still is currently your B biggest risk to your business is the fact that your business office relies on two retired people they have a brain uh full of all this wonderful information but the best part is is we need to tap into that brain so what I'm proposing and again what we're trying to do is is lead this for the future for decades down the road you need to make sure we have people who know how to
014operate School business I again have gone as far as you can academically in the business world this is a crazy business it's not something that school teaches to you it's not an NBA program it's not a DBA program you honestly have to know how to manage uh public funds how to actually uh get all the documentation that a school requires it is a very complicated and uh highlevel business model and the best part is I can't do all jobs why because it's illegal to do so I can't say I want to purchase a vehicle approve that purchase and go out and purchase it that is a very very bad model and schools actually get into major problems because of that so you have to remember even to operate a school R size you need a
0153.5 FTE model just to even be a good model so I guess just from number standpoint so that we can kind of understand that that is why we're trying to uh propose this because this is a way that we can sustain it's a year we can absorb some of these costs and these impacts financially but also to structure it in a way that we have sustainable business model keep in mind we just came out of the FH model where you outsourced your business office was not the greatest successful model there's a lot of inefficiency with that you're reporting to a place 4 hours North and let me show you what it looked like just back in 23 24 when we actually had this model these are all the positions we actually had through F so
016we actually had seven people in our business office just using the FH model when you include our Deputy Treasurer who is your only for IW employeed person that's a total of eight people so just so you have a number standpoint of how that works some of it's uh you know part Point 2 point fours but these jobs were done by a total of eight people just you have a numbers in your head um and financially what that costs because again your Bose service cost $522,000 that year after Bose's Aid you actually paid 58% why because a full-time FTE you could only get Bose's return on a six so when you had two full-time people you didn't get as much Aid so deep diving it you only you actually paid 302,000 just on that model with
017another 50 for the deputy treasur so your total was $352,400 would paid to run their business office so going back that proposed model is $37 and $500 which is again it's 107 over this last budget but it's also because we have high-end people who know what they're doing um the problem is that's not sustainable because if the waiver doesn't pass this uh this year we're relying on two retired people that could be out our door so this is why we're trying to uh navigate with potential things I can't control um I would love to keep that brain so the bottom line is with trainees this is the best model because we can train them in a year's time to suck all that information out so they actually know the treasury role they know the dep
018treasury role they can do all facets to the business and that will actually make us better in the future so looking at our Revenue update uh we're still predicting the state aid to come in at 7, 800,000 what I did from last time again I wanted to listen to what you had to say I broke out the additional revenue and also Reserve allocation so you can actually see exactly how much we're proposing for that and then the next slide will be a more uh Deep dive on those questions property taxes again stays at 3,728 33 the appropriate fund balance is now a million 300 milion 3,725 so our now proposed budget is 13, 5583 73 so here is the now broken down into the aspects Now using additional Revenue resource allocation Revenue um Reserve allocation
019you will see the different percentages of 3.1 and 4.7 we need another addition that we presented before so looking at additional Revenue this is where we get the extra monies that we were talking about before where it's 420,000 we have reimbursements for both Medicare and Medicaid interest and earnings so again we invest using our IC accounts uh we actually generate usually about 130,000 per year tuition this is where we're getting monies from those coming from other school districts to go into our special education programs we are proposing again about 100,000 some of these are out of my control too but this is kind of what we've been running and then the miscellaneous Revenue as I mentioned last time it could be something like a a bullet Aid coming from the government from the state that
020we're getting those kind of M miscellaneous but on average looking at over historical we get about $150,000 per year with miscellaneous revenues and then again these are the re Reserve allocations that we presented previously and that's where you get the $630,000 so looking again at our ratio AIDS they're still 9090 and 77 but one of the reasons I also want to present this is with the tax levy and tax cap the big reason that schools really should not be going out is zero tax what happens is you'll eventually feel that impact again we really it's not just a Cris thing it's not a Ben thing we actually hire uh financial advisors to help us navigate this as well and every school district needs to go up because you're incurring so much impact acted cost so
021what happens if you say okay I'm going to go a zero I'm going to go a 0.1 then the next year you might have a 27 but over here you're going to eventually have that impacted cost you really do not want to keep going zeros because eventually the day will come you will have to pay the piper and that's what happened there so by keeping them at around the cat you know the 2 point whatevers we're still now pushing it for this year at 2.19 that's actually a good fiscal strategy because you're seeing slight increments not a gigantic in inre I do remember you saying that before keeping it stable and steady so that it's not a big junk like that remember you saying that and again I have no control of the tax base
022like I would love to have more businesses in Ford outward where you can say it's not just the Irving tissue it's not just on the backs of residential people what happens with our roles as we just ran the top 10 four of your top roles in your area are residential so it's hard when you're kind of feeling that impact and I definitely again I feel that when I know it's it's on the backs of a lot of you residents but happens is because we don't have the business to offset those costs it's got to kind of come from a residents so getting more business into forever that would be an awesome thing I would love that to happen I'm hearing new restaurants might be coming that's exciting yeah so those are kinds of exciting moments
023because again the more that we can kind of rely on businesses to generate you'll start seeing some those impacted costs become you know supplemented by businesses but you really do not want to go zeros because you will eventually have to still Inc 2122 yes was a um a large yes hit Y predictability uh you know it's been said that good budgeting is a fairly mundane process you take what you're currently doing and what it costs you what you want to do next year and what it cost you and you build the plan uh accordingly and you any new things that you do you want to do so in a way that's fiscally responsible so if if we're taking anywhere from two to to 2.2 2.3 and everybody can gain on that and everybody can plan
024on that and we're still moving the district forward with with uh making ourselves a better institution right that's how it's supposed to go rather than the roller coaster ride which makes it hard for people to plan for their budgets in their homes corre and that's really the whole intent here of of what we're trying to for a lot of family you can't keep raising people can't afford it our tax is the highest of any other time so I don't know how we can keep sustaining raising school taxes and property taxes whatever people can't afford it and we're going to lose people afford which is even worse and again I understand that it's a double-edged sword it is um you know I know personally we can't I can't keep reporing increase every year you know five
025year is 2.9 one 2.19% that's help yeah I are quite high on my property I have one of the largest properties in the village that's why I'm I mean if we look at it like this um prior to this last assessment or properties it had been 12 and 1/2 years yeah before one was done so that was a huge hit on people and it wasn't anybody's fault but the people that you know would assign the assessors if you're assessed every two years then this is not is it's not as drastic so people felt that crunch because their homes got assess and some of their property taxes doubled that's exactly what happens if it keeps going z z z0 yeah people feel good because their school tax isn't going up but then all of a sudden
026we're in the same boat we were in before on the flip side of that the other double edge or the other edge of the double edged sword is if we continue to to incrementally raise school taxes you're not going to have the population people are going to move but you know in in my personal opinion The Village needs to get more involved in the village to bring things in to offset the burden of the homeowner and share that tax revenue burden with with everybody and we can't do that if we don't bring businesses in it's a nice start that we're getting too rest restaurants in but let's face it you know restaurants in 2 years could go away you know we need viable sustainable business downtown to offset burden to the to the homeowners and
027the individual taxpayers that's really the issue you know the issue isn't raising the school tax the issue is we don't have anything here to offset what the individual taxpayers are paying cors would you bring a business in with what we pay taxes to forward they're going to have to pay the same amount of taxes in more well sure you go to su falls in Sarto County where cheaper well yeah yeah but I mean if you take a if you take a ride through downtown it wouldn't be any business in there anyway because it looks like you know a scene from The Walking Dead so he's saying the village has to step up and rev the village needs to step up and and commercialize our vill there were grants that went out there were you know
028revitalization programs there were state programs I don't see anything happening with that we get about we get 4,000 cars a day that drive up and down through here to go to work and they're not working here they drive through so it's a you know the 2.19% what is and I don't know if you have this but what let's say on a $100,000 home what is the financial impact how much is that going to raise from we presented that slide the last time I don't have it on this one I mean I can't remember it either and I didn't know if you had that slide presentation don't you know that's that's really what people are going to look at you know how much are my taxes going to go up you know I mean um the
029assessment that was a big hit the fact that we don't have any businesses in this area is a big hit you know and I think that you know maybe there is ways that we can trim a little bit off of it but I don't I don't think it's realistic basally going to go down to zero because if it does go down to zero four or five years down the road we're going to be right back into that annexation thing and and the hard part for me again since I've been here now two in a little bit over two years you have the most anemic budget ever I don't even know how you can sustain a bu business you had no equipment costs you had teachers that had no contracts you had support staff that have
030no contracts when you look at what we had to do just to invest in stabilizing this business yeah you saved school but my question again is what did we inherit so to invest in your business to attract it to keep your your staff here to now have equipment that actually know we got the tables there are some really awesome changes the problem is when you have a business that really was sort of on that life support you have to still invest in and again I sympathize with you taxes are not my favorite time of year either um but again you're you're you're invested in the school this is what you want but we're looking at how to make us the best school we can and so and I I know you wanted to wait till
031the end but we're we're on the slide so I just that to ask so our 2526 proposal is 3,7 let say 73,000 so last year we were at 3,6 let's say 625 mhm so that difference in there um if we were to work at looking at some redundant IES Staffing in program wi which I I think deserves a look can we lessen that and have and I know it's not going to get to zero but can we get it down to a palatable amount to the public no that doesn't that doesn't make any sense if we're going to make Cuts we should just use less of the fund balance as our bouncing agent and I think right now we're at the time period where this probably won't change much this has already been submitted to
032the state so I would say if this is the strategy you look for like next year there might be a way we can talk about how to change some of that but this is like sort of the end of the fourth quarter kind of concept it's hard to change some of these numbers when you've already submitted to the state um again there's time periods for all this process that's why we go through the workshop piece but we are using fund Balan you'll see that as well as how we offsetting cost so I think then Tim brings up a valid point there to to reduce that burden on the the fund balance um you know to even look forward you know and I know we can't create a budget for the following year but you know
033we're looking at certain things like the business office so this coming year we're going to you know looking at two trainees and two retired people at $110,000 and $555,000 those people will go away you know what we need to look at following is what we're going to pay the new people which is I would hope less so um and it you know so that offsets it a little bit and with the administrative changes there's also changes within the Staffing that cover some of those changes but I would say every budget opens up a new opportunity we're kind of at this budget cycle to sort of say this is what we're doing yeah but next year we definitely have it's like open forum for discussion to sort of make those tweaks but this is uh kind
034of where we're at in the Bud go ahead I have a question are we pretty much on par with other districts on the percentage rate I mean I look at school taxes every single day all day long and when I see how much people pay in their tax bills Gilder $9,000 a year Shen they're paying 8 to $133,000 per year on their property taxes SC Skylar bille I mean we think we have high tax bills for school taxes I mean you might go to Grandville they might paying four grand maybe two grand in their school taxes I get where it's like some of us might be paying higher than others are we looking at are we higher than others in our percentage rate or we write on par I would say the charm of your
035district is also sometimes that two-edged sword because it's a tiny little village the financial impact is on your tiny little village however because you're talking that of money is spread across only a few the financial impact is felt um but as our uh tax caps are we're lower than most so you'll see our bottom line figure of how much we are over last year's budget it's to the point where probably every single one school at least in our area would be jealous of the numbers we're presenting I know some that are busting their tax cap I know some that are talking 34 5% increases over last year we're talking when you see the final slide it's less than 1 .5 so when you see the overall budget presentation we are actually the point of most
036people's Envy so I can say that for btim because people when I just met with my business officials we are to the point where how on Earth are you doing this so from that comparison I'm excited for us because we've been able to incur all of these major costs all of these major changes to make for outward the best which is what our goal is but we're doing it in such a um I think responsible way and people can challenge it what they want but I think this is the responsible model and financially we're able to incur a lot of these costs at a low um overage from last year's budget how many students do we have you'll see that on the tax report card yep so here's our three-part budget again we did some
037minor tweaks to to make sure that it's 13,5 56 we did actually decrease it I'll show you where we actually found those decreases but we are actually a 1.27 difference from last year's budget over and here's our tax report card so when you were talking about Public School enrollment we were 3875 last year we're currently 363 it is a decrease but I also like to point out the Consumer Price Index is 2.95 usually that goes hand in hand with any increase because this is kind of the consumable what people feel on the financial pressure of inflation we're still under the 2.95 we're actually again 1.27 so that's a way that you can kind of see you know most schools are going for at least the 3.5 or at least 5% increases over last year's budget
038just because to incur that cost plus we sign teachers contracts we sign support staff contracts all of these that you agreed to they inflate your budget as well so that bottom line was something we kind of had to work with those parameters so that's our tax report card and this is the final draft and everything that I've highlighted is a slight decrease of where we were previously presented I actually did take some of those trainees to lower what we were hoping for payments so we did see a couple of of savings from that line so compar it from other previous presentations you'll see a decrease in that line you also see a decrease in teacher salary K through three this is related to retirees when we actually did a deeper dive this is also was
039um because when we went to the job fair it seemed like the jobs we were hiring for there seemed to be a lot of interest and a lot of people um who were looking for set jobs and by doing that we were able to kind of take that uh projected of what we were expecting to pay and we were able to low slightly just based on what we were seeing as potential candidates so getting like a lower stepped salary than what we were trying to an anticipate so that was where we could lower some of that money we also did with the special education line same concept one of the retirees there was some interest with special head uh so we could actually feel confident lowering those slightly uh and but our big one happened
040on the 14th of this month it was the Friday after our board meeting I went to our business official meeting we were budgeting for healthc Care at 21% that's all we kept hearing 21% 21% currently they're saying about 15 so we were able to save significant money and that's where we saw the budget line decrease as a result of Mostly because of the health insurance so again we got it down to 1.27 any questions um I don't know if it's a question as much as a statement I think we're going to have a hard time presenting this budget to the public when promises have been made about administrators being added we're head we're going to have five administrators for 363 kids we're going to have five people in the business office how does that compare
041to ARG how does that compare to Harford how does that compare to 4N the problem with some of our local ones is they combine a business manager and a Treasurer that model is very outdated it's also a model that has a lot of potential fraud build to in because you're actually taking two lines and you're saying I approve I now have the money handling if you don't have the segregation between jobs you can actually find yourself in more trouble so that's not State advised it's not it's not advis going forward um because we have the ability to absorb the training position I will say with two people that are really experienced some of your financial wos were resulting in the fact that you had people that didn't really know what they were doing last year
042at this time when we hired someone who we thought was going to be our future as a Treasurer they bailed on us in less than a month what happened then is our books were totally garbage for a whole month if it wasn't for someone coming in to help us who actually was that amazing intern that we had ired he was able to sustain our business and get us back to good footing plus we just got out of FB bosis there's still a lot of labor pains with that you outour outsourced your business office there's a lot of things that we're still uncovering to make this optimal you're proposing three ctime employees after this year in the business office it would be three that's correct yes for $ 13 million but but again the best optimal
043way to have a school even our size it should be 3.5 is really technically how you should operate your business office and I believe we can do that in a three person model correct I have concerns about the administration still cuz we are a small Village People are going to be incredibly shocked to see so so many I look at it more like a redistribution of your Administration if you consider Jessica Smo now as a tosa but she's serving in an administrative role so you had you had a prek through 12 principal with a tosa and you had uh mallerie as a director of of special education how do we get this across to the public though because they're going to see it black and white I understand what you're saying but they're going to
044get shell shock when they see it on paper well you're you're still covering you're just delineating the duties differently by by not having a standalone director of special ed so that you're actually eliminating a a director of special ed and the tosa you're making into an administrative role as the assistant principal and um director of Athletics so you're taking your uh Aaron's position and making it two principles but you're giving them assigned responsibilities and besides being Elementary and secondary and then your TOA is is basically becoming a full-time administrator as an assistant principal which I know you as a collective group talked about wanting to do that and then extended it for for another year um and you're eliminating a stien athletic coordinator position by by doing this as well um and getting a better
045product correct I I understand all of it so when we're sending out the pamphlet to the residents is there something that we can add to that to explain our thought process in this AB absolutely I'm saying if they're like we this like I said historically that's going to be a lot to them and we need this to pass I cannot do that again if it doesn't pass so if we just explain our thoughts absolutely so that people can sit and read it CU I know people go through this budget maybe they'll understand that again we're fortifying but it needs to be explained somehow cuz they're not here yeah the I talked about it the prek through 12 model of uh being an administrator was a management role it wasn't a leadership role and Aaron bustered
046her tail from start to finish every day chasing chasing what needed to be done in certain aspects um but the opportunity to actually lead departments and lead the academic piece as well as um handle some day-to-day operations is almost impossible when you're doing all the discipline and you're you're coordinating all the things that are required of us from the state of New York by breaking it out and this is something I'll I mean I'll I'll be Johnny apple seed I've done it before I'll I'll talk to any group that wants to hear me I'll go to any organization that wants to hear me in promotion of this budget explaining the difference between leading a smaller section of grade levels or just managing uh a section of grade levels because we we need to raise the
047bar with what we're doing as a district academically and it's it's tough to be the expert prek through 12 of all those subject areas and all those teaching strategies that are necessary depending on whether you're elementary middle or high they're definitely don't want superintendent and principal I never I always thought that was incredibly hard but superintendent one side principal other side principal with pass that a second absolutely it's just be really hard to well I agree with you it is going to be difficult um excuse me like we had two principles back in 2020 it wasn't that long ago you've had every model in you look historically at for Edward you've tried everything multiple different times three positions is classic at Fort Edward that's what I'm saying three is classic four has never been done
048what do you see4 the well there's the intern principles we're adding an assistant principal um so and I don't mean to cut anybody off by that please tell me um so there's the staff that was added um when Dr deali was here so there's a couple that I have questions on viability wise and just logically wise uh the first one would be uh the crisis intervention list so if we're looking at this model so we have principal for middle high school and then the elementary principal and then an assistant principal does it make sense is it is it worth sustaining for 375 kids for a crisis interventionalist so when we brought this up I was I wasn't sold on the idea I don't think that um maybe it was was the way it was presented
049but I just didn't feel that that was needed here and if other aspects of the staff were truly doing their jobs so and I'm not saying they weren I understand so that because we do have a school psychologist yep and we do have a social worker correct and two guidance counselors and two guidance counselors and we're proposing another an assistant principle should we have that is that a necessary logical position to have in a 375 child atmosphere it's it's a it's a great question and and we've had those conversations and and uh it's a employee well they work for us but they're they're employed by be that's right so I don't I can't remember off top of my head what our cost is on that so I can actually speak to that so we go
050through bosies get the aid back it costs you as a district $112,000 okay so it's here's my point on this so if we're going if we're going to explain to somebody at Cumberland Farms or Stewarts or in your neighborhood M why this is a viable Matrix we have to tell them that we're trimming fat somewhere yeah and in my opinion that is one of the fatty areas so even though it's only $122,000 it's $122,000 you know it's not a world saver but it says okay we're bringing these people in or not in but creating this position because we're getting rid of this position and these people will be responsible for that so the the other one that I have is the bus no uh me he's just choc not so tosa will go away we
051know that because that was a temporary position in morphs into this MH so we're not really we're adding but we're not adding we're we're taking away restructuring restructuring uh director of pupil services goes to one of those secondary principes so we're that's out so we're really covering what we've already been paying for correct in just in a different way so what's the cost difference though I mean is there a cost difference between the 570,000 listed administrative fees proposal to what it was before with the director and the um like last year what was it last year when everything what was comparison to last year how much is it increase these were um slightly different because Aon made more than that so this is just what I what we've decided so what do you think so
052we've got 57 right there 570 just in the you need factor in with the tosa as well is you had to back fill her position with a teacher position mhm so cuz Jessica could always gone back at any time right you know but so that was a temporary teaching position until we decide what we're doing with the tosa exactly so um and let me clear up conf confusion because I think you're actually adding this line This is the Total Line so all of these added so it's 285 correct so we still have Bas superintendent which is on top of that correct correct we're going to have to pay him anyway I mean that's something that and keep in mind in this model still that's just salary if you're adding retirements if you're adding all the
053benefits and Perks at a usual superintendent although it's an increase over last year you're probably saving more in this model just based on the fact is it a retired person same with these two down here there's two that are retired all you pay is salary will be in the future we have to remember that it's going to go up again well it would it would yes and that yes you're right but with removing those now you're taking out that increase and then those will then be incurred with you know other benefits and retirements correct so if we're going to offset if we're going to say okay we're restructuring MH we're actually what's the MoneyWise difference from what our model is right now to that model just in that administrative well you increased last year about
054$120,000 over what we paid last year over what you paid last year 120 is P2 a state mandated character Ed State Mand P2 is the program that Ford Edwards bought into run so we have to run a character Ed program state but that's the program that we use to yeah okay I always wonder that yeah and there's there's all kinds out there but you know whatever whatever your school uses is what people refer to as okay but your progr to have something there's there's all kinds of canned programs there's are some that are more embedded but P2 is the one that did a couple years ago and we ever switch it up and do something else I know that's totally off topic yeah I mean I feel like the kids need to do something different
055coming up soon out thereand principal and made it athletic director else would you rather name it something else than assistant principal athletic director I think it just says assistant principal three or you see principal three times I think people are going toan of students it just needs to be justified toenter something else then and work do matter so you said director of Student Activities we can put any title on it as long as I just think seeing principl kind of okay that makes and I don't see honestly just we there's 363 kids this year we're do me three principals my you know that's just my opinion but well I would rather see Elementary secondary athletic director get to an elementary principal say and then the CSC go to a secondary principal and eliminate the assistant
056principal because I don't think you're going to sell that and you're going to have a hard enough time selling two principles because there was promises made in this district and people remember that well I will say this our last principle that model did not work at all at all and and it wasn't her it was the model where you know it just it just was not a you know there was no attention paid to wasn't enough attention paid to the staff and there's certainly that led to not enough attention paid to the students so that one principal model you know I know that the people that have been in Fort Edward forever ever you know they've got their favorite guys that that were in here and I understand that they were great people but that's
057in the past that that did not work at all I mean look how often have we had an interim and then you know we we get somebody in and they leave it's you know you talk to any staff member here that's that's the biggest negative about the entire thing was that lack of continuity y so that last year was absolutely not this year but the year before was horrible horrible philosophically avoiding the status quo and creating a model of sustainable leadership is really the two mantras that I would sit with Chris on and say whatever we got to do we got to avoid the status quote just accept that well this is what we do in Fort Edward this is what we're going to do next year um and create a model of leadership that
058people want to come in here and sink their teeth and really dive in to try and make it a better place without always looking over their shoulder for what's the next best gck cuz I mean you I'm sorry no that's all right I just so you I'm repeating myself and it reiterates your point the prek through 12 model it's tough for somebody to dig their teeth in and say I want to sustain here and really see Improvement in US academically when they've got so many responsibilities they want to take on some a chunk of grade levels that they're the expert in that's what leaders want to do and that's why I break it out like this so I mean if we look at where our academic standing is you know where is it compared to
059you know I know that is an optin testing and all that stuff but grade for grade school for school if you had to rank this school in this area with all the other small schools where are we academically honestly I mean look it's not a secret anybody can find it but yeah yeah I mean we're we're middle of the pack at best and you know we have to ask people I mean and I understand this is a big chunk and overall as a district not individuals we have great accomplishment but overall overall when you look at District we're we're middle of the pack we we sit here and and I understand believe me that you know we well you know why would somebody want to move here when you're you're raising school taxes and I
060understand and and look I don't like seeing it any more than anybody else but who wants to move to a shitty School M I'm sorry I agree but seriously I mean we're going to pay the taxes we might as well have the best school we can have for the taxes we pay I mean why why would you move to Fort Edward if you could move to who's the top small school new area soon is going to be us really you could move to a number of locations for a job that you have in Saratoga or aling or Queensberry and you don't want your kids to go to a big school you can move to any of the small towns I mean which one are you going to pick you're going to pick the one with
061the best school mhm and it's not that I don't understand I I really do can I I understand but believe me I don't like seeing my taxes go up any more than anybody else what do you do if they vote this down then you're back to the same boat is such a high concern of mine because people will come out and we make it smaller steps we do something this year see how it's working out the next year we add assistant principal to the next budget instead of doing it all at one time yeah because it's going to people are going to vote it down I can I I guarantee they will come out this is what I worry about you just have an elementary principle you have a secondary you have superintendent who's running
062special ed and any of those and then you have someone running Athletics you need to have a person who's running our special Department we've been in the situation where it wasn't great at all and that's why we brought Joyce in that's why we brought maler they brought money into the district and I will say I wasn't her Joyce's biggest fan she brought money into this District they opened up classrooms they brought kids in that are bringing in tuition money I mean we need somebody who can also focus on that I mean and I think that's part of why this model is created and that's why this is sort of that disciplinarian because half of what we're seeing is they're pulled away so much for taking care of this problem and this disciplinarian situation I think
063it's hard when you're going I'm focusing on trying to improve as you said the special ed or just academic standing but now I'm pulled away because of another behavioral issue how much disruption is there usually depending on you put 365 children in a building every day and they're not bad behaved kids but every scenario needs to be dealt with and every every scenario that a teacher does a referral for even if they managed it in their classroom at the time it generates the referral which then has has to have administrative oversight and assignment of consequences because teacher don't assign consequences they report the infraction and then certain incidents can take a half a day just because of the time that goes into meeting with the student if there's getting witness statements and you know all
064these different things that go into it so if you're supposed to be observing teachers and how because they ask you to come in and look at their classroom and how how lessons are going but you're locked into managing 3 or four hours of discipline for the day it's tough to lead the academic piece when the the discipline you can't Pawn off till the next day every teacher will tell you we we can't Pawn off our management of our building to the next day and that's why you know whatever title you want to put on it um I feel it allows are our principles to be the leaders of the building and not just the manager and I can't stress that point enough plus keep in mind if this actually is not a line This athletic
065director piece will then become that stien position again because that was one of the reasons why we tried to implement it into that so you're not really gaining 85 you're back down to probably 75 because that model that doesn't work has to be that work's got to be done by somebody so um this is the also to increase kids involvement into the school we're trying to get that inter maybe intramural sports there's other ways that we see this Vision happening I think we can still sell it I mean you guys are the community mouthpieces to make this happen but I do think that the vision is so that we can so L's more of an athletic director SL discipl disciplinary yeah and also just like a displ sort of even like um again an event
066coordinator in some aspect to get this place churning and have events happening and I see that being like in murals and having the gyms always being active like I think that would also be exciting but I do know that the discipline piece does take away from people leading it's always pulled out can I ask something a little bit silly just because can we change the name assistant principal to something that not doesn't sound Authority because they need to be taken seriously but something that sounds y so students you guys had already discussed and approved was Dean of discipline just for the record so Ken what do you think I still think it's going to be a hard sell I do what you think make it EAS if you did if you're going to add a
067principal then you split the athletic director in CSE person between the elementary and secondary principal and you wait to do an the system principal or discipline we've had a d discipline read Don with a d discipline here it didn't go over well oh no I mean I don't think it's going to make a difference if you put assistant principle or DEA discipline it may a little bit but you they're going to say well we have two principles what do we need a DEA discipline for and a superintendent in a 363 kids I mean I just don't see it personally I mean I'm not trying to anybody I'm just I personally don't see it not all at once you wait next year and add another one after that if we see how it works maybe but
068I don't this year I think it's going to be a hard I completely agree with you luckily they're all in the same building unlike Glen Falls or we would need another superintendent true at those School even at the elementary school say glen falls for example I I don't know I'm going to throw a number out there 175 kids per building they have one principal that's 175 kids well you had a superintendent in a principal you superintendent for the whole district oh yeah one principal in each building there's no assistant principal there's just one principal in each building so double that that's 350 kids that's two principles that's a lot that's B too for every building even the Kindergarten Center has to it's a lot of money I agree with that but I think it's going
069to be a hardell I do think it is going to be a hard sell I mean any believe me you guys well you know I mean any increase is going to be tough it it really is I mean and I understand from a financial aspect that you know there has to be you know or you're going to just bottom out after a few years um but it's you know I don't know if it's the you know verbiage will make a difference or not or I don't think it will I was just trying to help but I don't I think starting with you take $85,000 away is that going to make a huge difference no but I think they're also going to look at the business office and go wait a minute what is going that
070that one can be explained I think that one is keep in mind why are we training people and not Hing good point but again you're talking to people that are willing not to even have have that much time built in to have people car the Baton further I don't know how that can be done I think real leadership also the mentor process I knowing that you're willing to ment people I just always and that's see we did it yeah I mean we can't even transport our kids to their to their events to their sporting events never mind purple is this but that's my opinion that's not because of money though that's because of Staffing we just can't get people to drve but again you can take that money and incentivize and then maybe coach people
071from other places I mean I'm just thinking what the Public's going to see I know there's a big push from you know the transport K through3 like they used to and I don't blame them and walking by this hotel every day is scary that's $285,000 that can go towards that but we have that already implemented fiscally and it's just the idea of people coming to fordor to do that job right that's the that's the hard part I mean we've been looking for two years for bus drivers well even just this head bus driver position it's been very challenging yeah so I mean it's you know I mean one thing is is you know it's a tough spot to film it's just everybody's having a hard time with it how many principles does our gu have
072for example do they have a they have an elementary in high school do they have an assistant too I can't speak of that I think we did a did a survey last year every school had at least two correct it was like no wonder ours wants to leave that's why I'm saying I think I think an easier sell will be two this year and then add something the next year so you know it's up to [Music] you um all right so I'm coming back next year right yes we all in agreement on that can we agree on that yes you're good so I philosophically um I mean you hired me to come in bring my experience my recommendation to you we got to break out the principles we got to do that if you really
073are serious and not just talking about it but you genuinely want to see us improve our performance because we are an academic institution if we want to improve our performance I got to delineate the duties to to give them time to actually focus on improving us academically as an institution and one principle I'm telling you is not going to be able to make us better academically they can they can do a lot but we're not going to se move ourselves academically without putting people in a position to be the experts in that area to give guidance and Leadership to the teachers when they need it most to bring in a Consolidated and concise collaborative curriculum that builds on one grade level to the next we we've done all kinds of curriculum analysis here and they've
074tried different things and we're kind of all over the board one of the things I want our principles to do is to take all that work that we've dabbled with but we've had so much turnover we've never tied it all together the way we're supposed to I want to give the principles time to actually tie all this stuff that's been done in increments and tie it all together and then put it into place so that they can actually see some results of the pro their labor so you folks want to see a change here I don't want to give one of the principles the athletic director we can take the director of pupil Personnel Services and keep it with the secondary principle cuz I think that model is working and we have a little working
075interview going on as we speak it with some tweaking which we we talk about it every week I think that model is working just fine the elementary principle I'd like to still be in charge of the you know the character education and the uh you know our testing coordinator and our our school Improvement coordinator and all of our data that is required as a school district um I would keep the athletic director administrative title with my title with the intent that next year at this time the district evaluates Where We Are are and if you feel differently as a board um you're going to have you can act on it differently at that time um but I would probably asked to keep the stien uh athletic position in place simply because the logistics of the
076day-to-day communication that happens with ads when it starts snowing and cancellations and everything has to happen um building schedules those types of things I would probably keep that position in place but I would administer straight over it like I'm trying to do now that way you're the tosa goes away and you're not backfilling it with an assistant principal athletic director so your toast is going away and your director of Special Ed has gone away and we've Consolidated everything into two principles superintendent and a business Dimension work better I think it might be an easier s what you guys I just looked up ARG they have two principles Elementary secondary Junior High and a director special is what AR has and a superintendent and a superintendent they have four four administrators I don't want the director
077of special education all way because I I know that that it's so much stuff like State stuff so I want a director of that somewhere so well you're going to have the same I know figure maybe more with now I thought originally we said that the high school principal was going to be in charge of special education cor yes and that's what I'm still that's you okay going it's embedded within those say secondary principle because it's also includes the middle school so I say secondary down there so people see it's not just they're not just Absol we can change the word yeah so that it shows they have multiple responsibilities we can keep an athletic a full-time athletic director busy we we don't have enough students to even go out for no for we need
078somebody that's what I'm saying a part time like a stien work if you can get somebody that will do it can can teachers be athletic director I feel like yeah okay so anyone in this building that's normally for school to size how it's done we don't have any staff that need to be there okay in fact my first athletic director responsibility was I taught school in the for the first half of the day and then they freed me up in the afternoon to manage the athletic department that's a good was that a small school do like all right that was a big school I currently have well it was it was larger than this so St assigned to he's graduating but he four years ago he's graduating from his uh business college this year so
079you're going to hire another training I would love to have two just because again we have two people that are retired and I want to have kind of a continual training U model where they actually also are creating modules and training materials so that therefore they can always go back to that um we right now have a sort of outdated process everything seems to be Antiquated with files and cabinets I want things to go into the 20th century with online documentation I want things saved in files it will be so much better but my vision can't currently be done with the current staff we have so we're going to after this year we'll have a business administrator yes we'll have a district Treasurer I become a trainee we'll have a deputy District Treasurer correct and
080then that will be up there should be right correct so really corate model Adat the interm is going to become one of the trainees correct then you have a Treasurer and where's the other traine going no the traine would be District Treasurer and the other traine would be the deputy [Music] District there's a there's an exit plan in place for reti I was confused I didn't see any like any day they could say I don't feel like coming in right and correct want to also mention the fact that they're willing to do a mentorship program and a training program with no additional cost so they're not asking for extra monies they know this is the better model for our future so even just that their willingness to love on our school and to help us
081that would cost money other places I would have to go for you know it cost money to be a mentor so we're getting which you know mentors cost money so this would be a process that so that line will be going away next year mhm right because you're 100% 100% ,000 but you're investing in your future cuz financially right now it's it's still in the if I if they lost them tomorrow I don't know what I would do and it's a very scary place to be this gives us a chance to go we're absorbing some of that risk impact and being in control of our future which forever we're not always Hing people that we know correct not taking a chance John was saying about like chiseling the fat like you're talking about is there
082some where or things where we show that we're actually trying to like you're talking about the crisis intervention or whatever 12000 are there some things that show that we're trying I mean it would be hard at this that position I'd be more willing to say we can we can honor that request because we've talked about it now the other ones I know that that's an ongoing it would be required more analysis of things and I prepared to do tonight to say yeah that's G what you proposed or suggested is something we've talked about and um but um so if that's the case where's the teacher going that you're proposing oh fulltime sub a full-time substitutes and they would get assigned anywhere prek through 12 what is our um teacher how many we have in the
083district and versus how many AIDS we did have that in the first slide I don't remember I broke it down sorry that's okay I was just wondering how many AIDS versus how many teachers but I do know from a substitute standpoint we're running at current state about $120,000 just on substitute teachers so that gives you kind of an idea that we can absorb that cost that's another thing that's something we should look at is uh teacher attendance because I can tell you right now there's some teachers that my my own student my own kids tell me that are never here and we have to pay for a substitute yet and they're also not learning if you get substitute in there because they don't leave any materials for them to learn they give you a piece
084of paper with that was the intent of having those positions be leadership and not management so and also to have a consistent substitute that also would probably offset some of that cuz they know they're coming in today they probably okay that was maybe a couple days in a row I've had that you're right we need to make sure material that trim some of that would trim some of the money right there if we're not paying substitutes all time correct the teachers actually came to work so proposing Elementary principle secondary principle eliminate the tosa the director of PPS gets consumed into the secondary principal um we keep the trainees because we know it's a it's a process of preparing for the future where we don't have those two positions of our retirees and the crisis intervention
085list being cut uh myself and the stien athletic director will manage the athletic department and then all the other proposals and things that are in here um and we adjust the figure probably going to take it to do it now I have a question well he's working on if we see like we're into the school year and we're like we need an extra person yeah are we allowed to add though well you've done that in the past this budget actually is paying for people that you've added the past year that weren't budgeted for so we actually built their their price tag in to this to this budget it just it makes say I'm not saying it's out of the question it makes it makes me nervous it really it makes me nervous I just I
086just know that mallerie's job was H it paid for itself her job paid for itself she brought in $100,000 into the budget her job brought us $100,000 so here's the bu budget doesn't pass then it doesn't I understand that this year though this year we have if we don't have somebody that's bringing in tuition kids for these classrooms that money goes away then we need to have someone that has that we believe can do that that's why we're here and the current model is doing that exact thing correct uh auditing our placements contacting schools saying these are the these are the classrooms we have available for next year contacting their special ed Department saying do you have any students that fit the model we're offering two people are they going to be able to have
087the time to be able to do that yes when they're dealing with all the high school middle school discipline and everything else are they going to have the time to be able to do all that I don't think it's as wild as like it's not as wild as my building and it's done so I honestly think that the superintendent and the two principles can do it for this one year and then we can evaluate next year but I just don't think that fourth one there is just this year not necessary it's not going to pass and I know that it can be done with a principal on each side and I think if you know if it looks like it's out of hand then then we you know we do what we've unfortunately had to
088do in the past and have a meeting and and decide whether it's financially viable so get the right person it's going to make a big difference so we added since July of when uh Dr Mal was 1 two 3 four probably 12 or 14 positions in the middle of the year half of them so do we need them all uh well most of them but um you know the crisis interventionalist is the one that would certainly stand out um you know I I think that with the right direction the right leadership you know things should hopefully keep continue to go up as as with anything the people you have in those positions all the difference in the world certainly so I you know one thing that I would love to see is I've been speaking
089about for the last three and. 75 years we need to you know the guidance Department in particular I think needs to concentrate on uh the right path putting the putting the kids in the right path you know there's a school bus is filled with seats you have to put the right butt in the right seat no cookie approaches you know I I see on Facebook you know all kinds of positivity stuff and and a lot of fluff which is nice you know it's nice for the parents to see but what I would love to see is some achievements you know kids that are achieving at bosis you know kids that are achieving in you know Food Service kids that are achieving hopefully academically you know other than just honorable you know these are the things
090that you know we talk about people moving here and we talk about populor our school and losing population those are the things that that keep people here you know the the UniFi team it's a wonderful example I mean that shows the the people that are looking at that wow no matter where my kid is they have a place to shine y you know but you know if we're looking at you know wow these kids are are really killing it you know they're killing it at Bose they're killing it in the trades they're killing it in the classroom and look these kids can do all three they really can I mean you can be in honor student academically and an honor student CTE all at the same time and I know that cuz my my kids
091have done it but we need to promote that and say hey look at us look at how well we're doing look what we can do for your kids this is the school you need to be at and that is going to help with this people want to move here they want their kids to go to school here then they want to put a business here we need to get the village more involved in this absolutely it's it takes a village well we're only half of the village thing here it takes the whole village okay so who is doing disciplinary referrals under the three administrator model principal well it's just too much it takes too much time Osa is helping with that now our director of people Services was helping with that principal was helping with
092that so with the hiring of our inter room principal uh this this winter I've really focused on our current tosa to focus on the elementary side of the house so and allowed Dr comproski to really focus on the secondary side of the house and special ed so um and then I support both as needed and he'll go down and support Jessica Jessica comes up and supports him um so we've really been trying we we we've kind of been trying to navigate what we're Chris is working on right here we've kind of been living it um for you know the past few weeks um how's it going well it's you know it's it's like anything else it's uh you you have to pick and choose what you're going to what you're going to focus focus on
093depending on the day um this proposal's intent was everybody has their their their responsibility and they become the expert in that piece and focuses on that so the other experts can focus on that this uh you know leading the district by committee is is because we work so well together and we all know what everybody needs to be successful you know we we all pick up slack where we need to it's not impossible it's way better than if it was just me and the prek through 12 principle trying to manage all of that that that would have been very tough having two people who can focus on their I like to say side of the house um is much smoother than just one person trying to do that I really think we need to go
094out with for administrators and call fourth one a de discipline or a disciplinarian I mean parents that send their kids here know that we have a lot of discipline referrals like everybody knows that right like you guys know that we have a lot of discipline referrals a lot the office I mean how many kids are we having to deal with doing going down for kids having moments we'll call them that I don't know it's hard to qualify someone's having to deescalate them having to not just give them a we have our staff we have people we have our radio system and we people go handle it you know social worker s school psychologist sometimes we use our SRO M you know is also in this in so it's kind of a team effort depending on
095the situation how often is that happening um anywhere from Once a period to three times a period so let me ask you this pre prek through 12 somebody's being called somewhere every period so I think one thing that that we need to look at is what the impact of of that is on a on the kids in the classroom so how much time you know de deescalation sometimes is not a quick thing right by the time somebody gets down there to do it remove the young person from the situation how much you know there's only so many hours in the day and so many minutes in the classroom that you can learn the learning stops then it has to start again kids are rattled you know how much learning is lost doing that or experiencing
096that yeah well if they're able to remove the student and get them into another location it's it's fairly minimal to and and the kids are very good they're very resourceful they're very resilient they and they know who usually the key players are so they they just waited out they know it's just a matter of a few minutes and we're going to be back to what we were doing so it's not like a yeah I know are there times certainly where it's very disruptive and the whole class ends up moving yes but again it's not I don't want to make it sound like it's a it's a zoo here it's not and it's handled very well by our professionals but you can't ignore that there's one building we're all one location 365 kids prek through 12
097basically in in on one campus there's always something that needs to be some some child needs to be dealt with in some capacity that's outside the scope of the teacher at that [Music] moment how's going over there matth done that was good we should had some Jep music playing he was ready all right so right now with the reductions that you have proposed we will be at a $3,461 558 budget so we lost 100 you lost 75,000 but it will be a difference of a56 over last year's budget so it's that in difference it's still an increase but not it's an increase of 75,000 over last year's budget CU last year's was 13386 this year is 13461 so the increase is. 56% that palatable Ken said he would pay Ken said he would pay the
098extra my and I heard Ken's coming back to work for us half a per correct from budget to budget from budget to budget and that includes the new teacher contract that was signed absolutely July 1st it includes the Fest contract that was approved and I think those are the sing points too you guys have approved all those contracts you increased all those embedded costs of Step plus percentage plus those positions you talked about that weren't budgeted for but you added them they are now paid for this budget correct so and we're getting what I feel academically is a better delineation of principle ship responsibilities and future that's you're creating a structure in your business office that's sustainable when our retirees step away okay and then we see if it works and if it doesn't next
099year we make another change right but it won't all be at once to scare people right yeah but the secondary principle is going to be handling special ed and discipline in the secondary way correct and whatever they do as a principal you know academic leadership curriculum teachers also got with one principal for years here so they what I said you also had one principal doing that job for years so you're actually giving help you're splitting up all the you're splitting up some of the duties to help and if it doesn't work next year you can add another position but it wouldn't be scary to the public I don't understand why it's scary we're going from four administrators to four administrators this board made PR Through The Years Andis that they weren't going to add principles
100after what they went through the previous boards had made that promise to the taxpayers and here we are trying to add all these positions my thing is that again historically so these people that are coming out to vote went to school here a lot of them and they're basic structure is two principles and a superintendent the assistant principal is completely foreign to people that are going to come out and want to vote Yes they will vote no it won't pass because they not it's called something else like they had to De the discipline they weren't happy with the position that's why we don't have it anymore we had Direct people services in tosa those budgets passed so like what if we called it a director of people services in a tosa it would also go
101down because why like those budgets have passed last I just think we're it's administrative py um for all ones but you know I'm not going to debate it I'm just as a taxpayer that's what my feeling is just go back to the old names then that's that's my feeling like well then you know I mean iol from an academic standpoint the restructuring still makes sense because they're focusing on grade levels so academically they can focus on the curriculum for that segment sure so that part makes sense to me I mean I agree with you I don't want them to keep pulling their resources so that they're not able to do what that mission is I think that's a very valid commment that's why we restructured it this way but if we're not having that many
102disciplinary problems or again we can kind of focus on academics on a grade level the K the prek through 12 just didn't work because you're asking somebody to be a master of all grade levels so I think we all are in consensus that that's that's not that is never going to happen again um this makes sense but again my worry also is what happens when they're pulled away and their goal is to academically be the leader um well you said very half Hazard special ed leadership here for many years so bad it was so bad the amount of things that were being done so wrong correct and money that was lost on the table agreed we're not there anymore money lost on the table but laws that were not being followed corre corre I mean
103we were put in such a bad predicament before because of what was being done because it it it was so bad well you're right uh but you know hopefully we have the right people in place to combat that so look philosophically I love this will it pass I don't know and and the problem with it not passing and then not passing again is to go back to a contingency budget and then we're we're right back where we are now this year is that sustainable for another year you know you know what I mean and contingency is hard anyways cuz are horrible you can't do anything you you know and honestly I was we were I mean you remember ptim last year we pleasantly surprised that the budget passed on the first round with with the
104increase so I mean philosophically I think that is that's the way to go MoneyWise percentage wise I I I don't know we didn't have to worry about that that's perfect but can I mean Tim can both have great points in in honor but you know we're looking at a you know a village that doesn't have a lot of wealthy people you know whatever increase that we give them is is going to make an impact in their household not to mention the way that the way things are going now you know the way things are going now economy wise we just don't know what's going to happen um and that's got a weigh on people's minds I mean I and I know it probably does everybody in the room you know we just don't know where
105we're going but I don't know I love it I wouldn't have a problem with it personally but I'm not everybody in the village so I go without everybody exactly and we do you know we look we're the stewards of the taxpayers money plain and simple we're the stewards of their money and we have to look out for the best interest of the children and the staff members that are in the school that's our job like it or not so what's the next step we vote on it or well you know I guess my recommendation is all you know this business is all about compromises and so this Workshop we listened we've made some adjustments you know and everybody has their point of view I the compromises that he just read off and what it cost
106we will make work failure is not an option I don't care what model we go with it's not something I going to uh allow to happen regardless um and it's a compromise and the beauty of this process is you're going to be right back here again next year to make a determination as to whether it was an effective model or not so we're looking at you're building a plan for one year with the compromises I say we take that number and we go but the table has to you do recognize the role is you also have to answer the questions and talk about it in a way that uh you you if you adopt the number then you should feel like you can support it you're going to get both sides yeah I'm telling you
107Tim knows you been through it yeah no matter which way you go you're going to you're going to hear it so so the next step would be then a motion with that number y so if you feel like as a group you're ready for that do we feel like are we ready for that yeah you ready [Music] ready 13, 558 73 okay do you want me to keep that up sorry was seeig all right I need a motion to um adopt that the correct terminology yes adopt the proposed budget that we've just heard about from Mr Raider and Dr Hy need a motion and it is terara Ken is second any discussion all in favor motion passed Carri congratulations okay thank you gentlemen for uh I'm so um sorry can we just close the meeting
108before before Sarah Sarah R any discussion all in favor I eating is