HCSD BOE Budget Meeting 3 27 25

001yeah and it's like as soon as you look up it's all good evening everyone tonight is March 27th and we have a scheduled budget meeting um so would you please stand and honor America and join me in [Music] reciting I pledge Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all before we start our budget meeting uh we are going to adjourn to Executive session so I need a motion to adjourn to Executive session to discuss potential legal claim and or a second all in favor I oppose extensions all right so our hope is to be back by 6 o' all right good evening everyone um today is March 27th and uh this is a meet

002a budget meeting of the board and we went into executive session prior uh to the public session um said the pledge before we went into executive session so now we're reconvening to public session before we have a discussion about uh budget there are a couple of items that we have to take action on and the first item that or items that we have to take action on we have some Finance items for action so can I have a motion on 2.02 and 2.03 Curiosities discussion comments krina um yeah I have some questions about the junior parking lot Che umig is this well it's a whole block it's it's the senior parking lot it's not really the junior that's just it's the one right out there parking lot I when I looked at this and I

003was looking at um the junior parking lot used to be over by the old entrance so it's not the one it's not over there it's the one that's the block out here between Fletcher and S okay yeah um no expert on how much parking lot should cost but it just seems like a lot of money on a parking lot you know I'm not you can talk about it but that's the re I know I I'm going to be honest well there's a whole lot of things that changed all right one since it's been done this has been dilapitated this is p safety issue we've had litigation to the district or being hurt in that parking lot at the end of this year if you looked at the snow pile it's way past his life expectancy

004um there's no Pat in it with that it must go all the way down to base and things have changed now you can't just pave that Park lot like you think it needs a storm water chamber any water from that parking lot must be encapsulated within your own property so it's going all the way down to the base okay this particular time I can't even patch it I put a patch they come up I Liv through last year it's almost to the point that we're fortunate enough to have the ability to add it as an alternate and the bids came in well enough that we can add it into this project because it is part of the high school uh it's either that or we're going to close parking with students okay well I do

005appreciate you explaining that to me because I think that's important to be able to ask those questions it's one of the highest ones on my list it's not it's tough to even plow anymore safety issues we used to allow other groups to use it to go out and do Sports no longer to be at that position and unfortunately we've waited so long to do this parking lot it's not just a Mill and overpaid that you see you must get down to the subbase and it was required that the storm chamber has to go in there I've been looking at budgetary numbers before and it fell within what I was estimating was going to be that okay thank you thank you so now um do you want me to can you hear me oh sorry um

006what does it mean by alternate cost are things that are things being changed are they still doing the same what do it mean by alternate what an alternate is is you have like a bid okay for all the project and what happens is say the bid was going you know the bid your estimate was going to be 10 million but you only have say $10 million and if that bit comes over you don't have a project so you can look at your project and separate out some alternates within the project that now takes your original scope say $10 million maybe makes it 9 million and then you have these alternates out here that make up that other million so that when you bid you make sure you always have a project that's with in your

007allotment and then if you can then you choose the alternates to bring it up in both Ridge Road and that's why we waited is because we need to make sure that the high school's bid came in as well with the high school bid now settled and the alternates for the high school and the alternates for Ridge Road we are well within our appropriation of the entire project and these are the last two projects with just some minor touchup if we have any funds left over that would be towards deficient on Mr coin's property here looking at it's a construction thank you thank you call a question all in favor I oppos exstension Mr KY Mr snowberg you can leave because you got to get to work now Mr oh sorry I'll be right back I

008do need to talk and just just so that the board knows one of the humors around it is if you've been down W Road I'm sure Mrs Bailey can testify it's starting to get dirty with mud because they are starting to get into scale at Ridge Road uh and now that these bids are approved within about a week two they will be starting here at the high school um what happens is we're already in the cleanout mode at this point in the south end because uh I think within the next two to three weeks they will start to try to get a jump on the summer schedule thank you all right moving to section three I need a motion for 3.02 and 3.03 inquiries discussion comments krina um so on the school calendar um when

009you're looking at the um teacher conference days when you're looking at that Wednesday um before Thanksgiving y um I'm wondering why maybe we wouldn't want to put it on Monday the 10th because then you have the 10th and the 11th after that it's like a parents have to physically meet with teachers I think a lot of people travel on that Wednesday so I wasn't sure if that would be a hardship unfortunately and I think what you're thinking is parent teacher conference days yeah uh the 14th and this will be a full day off uh because parents have difficulties with the three half days so we're trying to listen to what they said yeah uh and the 17th is a parent teacher but to meet the 180 days within the calendar the calendar does not have

010enough contractually without the February 26th day being a half day so that would normally be a day off which means we' be at 179 student days which means we would lose a so there's no other day I can put in just by substituting it no I'm saying instead of having the 26 be off well it's not off it's oh the 26 is a half day yes just like just like this year yes oh okay because I guess it was confusing to me because the yellow highlight it's like full day off do you see that we tried to make the Highlight so that people go down below and then find the date ex dates okay so I was just I did a quick looking at the highlights okay so that's that's a half day yes okay

011so will teachers and parents be meeting that day no that is just that's an instructional instructional day okay teachers are officially all staff are officially here for the full day on that day but I have good reason to believe just like this year we try to help our staff out on that day as well and I know our students and our parents have been very helpful too so that they can go B their p and get out of here so I am wondering I know that there is a bill that's I think just hit the talking about adding the holiday to our calendar for e and I didn't know what your plan was to it does not add a holiday to this region of New York it's only for small cities or city school it's

012not even for small cities City school districts with a population of a million or more got it thank you so they they carved that out but I can see that that could come um however I don't believe that's a problem because they' alwaysed give a little carve out like in this uh Lunar New Year is actually February 17th next year that's during the February break if February if that was outside of February break I'm almost at the point where I got to break up February break any other holidays we would have the 26th off in November but we're going to lose 3 days at least uh in February on the topic of New Year just because um I saw a lot this year there was a lot of parents that were confused as to why

013we had that off so the fact that we had it off but now it's not even though it does fall within winner break people might not realize that so I don't know if you want to like where it says winner recess or no where it says President Day recess also put practices there including I could add that think just because then it starts getting people thinking okay this is going to be a day off every type of thing you know just when do you typically give back snow days uh I only have to give back snow days if I schedule more than 185 or 186 days for students other than that it's at my discretion uh in the calendar at the very bottom it's very SL small print but it's under the Legends uh usually

014I look at it somewhere around uh closure Days by April 2nd that that is actually unfortunately for next year this year it isn't April 2nd it's actually April 11th it's the day just before spring break some contracts say that if I were to give something back it should be uh the day after the spring break and the day in Memorial Day I'm not subject to that but right now I have three days that I've not used um so do I have have that propensity to try to make some people happy probably will I use all three days no uh I'm concerned about heat days potentially just because I don't know how that's going to play out but I have a strong suspicion that we will probably see something around Memorial Day um and one more

015thing so because Regents are going so late so what's the plan for gradation be oh with this it's still the Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday so meaning that there's going to be kids that are going to be graduating on Wednesday and still taking reg Thursday and Friday uh pretty much the test that's on Thursday is not a senior level okay what about Friday Friday's a rating oh yeah it's just it's it's considered a Regency um she asked my first question but then if the gym is done would we that a going [Music] happen M that'd be a really quick Mike I pushed for that haven't I I'm giving them 18 months it is to be done for uh the year 26 27 and then I will say it right now our plan and intent is once

016that gym's done graduation rain or shine is on the Friday evening 6:30 7:00 I won't beise the time but that way then we have internal and external options for other nature call a question all in favor opposed extensions all right so now we move to the real purpose of tonight's meeting which is the budget presentation and I'll turn it over the administration can you go yet can he go or not okay he's got to stay yes I can start we okay make sure all are off okay thank you ladies and gentlemen members of the board members of our uh audience here tonight members out watching um online We Appreciate You tuning in in for an update of our continued budget review I think this is our now fourth or fifth meeting on the budget so

017we hope people have been following along we are going to try to go and move a little faster through our slides because we will be the dead horse to you know sorry be the horse to that I'm sorry uh said it wrong but uh before we begin I just wanted to do a little clear up um from a couple meetings ago I think the HDA spoke uh first of all I wanted to make sure people know that uh our question and answers are getting ready to go up online I know Mrs AC is working on those and finalizing from some of the questions that we heard there as well as from our from our uh parents uh we had a wonderful uh professional development day where we were rolling out so the teachers understood the

018schedule a little better we're getting questions from there and we are going to be scheduling our staff chats uh pretty much I think intermediate schools from probably be in the next week and a half and then our elementaries will be right after spring break so we wanted to get that out but I also wanted to know because I heard some uh comment saying well you made this comment about negotiations that they got a contract and they negotiated the start times is the way some people took it the HTA does not negotiate start times at all that is a district prerogative the district's prerogative however was discussed that a start time of 7:20 would be one of the targeted areas uh and we just wanted to make that clear that that was discussed but not what

019the specific start times were we did have discussions that when you try to clear up the busing and try to clear up school start times it's going to take an hour to an hour and 10 to an hour and 20 minutes to recycle the buses fully to have them all there or all departing at the same time so so that's the only thing that they would have known during negotiations but they did everything in good faith just like the district did and we wanted people to understand that the the intention was never that the HTA negotiated start times that is the district start now so I just wanted to clear that up as a favor uh to the HDA leadership and also we owe that to be is very straightforward with our membership but now

020back to the hand the matter at hand which is our budget overview tonight we are at a fork in a roow that fork needs to be a decision at the end of this which road we travel down uh and you'll see as we go through but we will need a decision uh from the board so that we can prepare for the tent and try to build the best possible option once we get that direction from the board tonight ladies and gentlemen budget proposal for 2025 26 you've seen most of this $1.6 billion 4.8% or roughly at 5.87% from the state unfortunately horse has only received 549,000 which is only 2% there is talk that they may raise it to 3% that could be anywhere of an additional um influx of Revenue of $0 up to

021roughly we say about2 200,000 but that's according to our calculations unfortunately when the state does it it's usually around 14 to 20,000 so we just don't know yet but that's what we're wai on we have been told that there will be some type of increase we just hope it's more our numbers not those uh we know we've already talked about team mental health distraction free learning environment that is part of the discussions of the budget that I think we're going to have to probably figure out the details and address for next year but at this time it is not law and we can't really anticipate it as that I can tell you our professionals do try to address it as best possible here as long as we students and parents that support it for the

022most part we don't have many issues but it is something that's still a distraction in our school and every school at one point or another uh so we go through there if you notice the Senate and the assembly are virtually almost in agreement uh so with that being said we've heard today that education Aid is not really that contentious at the state cell phones are a lot of Criminal Justice with the recent strike of the correction officers are major issues and the legislator broke today so the first time they'll be back now is next Tuesday which is April 1st uh they said it's New Year's budget day but it's also April Fool's Day so you know I don't think the budget's going to be set then but I know they're working to get it done

023I think it's going to be probably in the next two weeks so you know they increased upk funds and expansion for Universal free student meals that does not include the federal government pulls out so the state has said they cannot fully fund everything the federal government but they will try to do their best so that's something we may have to wait and rely upon our students that would always qualify would always qualify but we've had the luxury that every student qualifies right now we have to watch that because next year we may have to change that depending on what goes on with the federal government and the state government but it is not something our R challenges districts face I've said these all along so I'm just going to put them up there You' see

024them Staffing chares Rising postings cost electric bus requirements the camp legislation phone ban political climate and the biggest one though is our community's desire to maintain services for educational and extracurricular excellence in nor heads and try to maintain what we have because they like what we have you've seen this I won't beat this to death until the very last presentation cuz that's important in the budget hearing uh if we would have just kept up with local revenue and state revenue at the rate of inflation we'd have roughly an extra $12.4 million we would not even be having many discussions and we don't need that much money but that is something we should look at as a board and a community down the road once we right siize this budget like we said over 1 to

025four years we need to always keep up at whatever the rate of inflation is for our entire program otherwise you'll be in this ever NeverEnding Loop of never having enough Foundation 8 history and you can see Foundation 8 3% 3% 10% are biggest year which that's 10 and five are the first time they went above the rate of inflation but notice they're back down below the rate of inflation again at 2.02 this shows it very clearly no District can survive with state and local Aid that's only at $500,000 when your carrying costs are $2 to $3 million a year and you're only allowed to raise supposedly a calculation of 2% so preliminary 2526 Revenue budget this is where I'm going to turn it over but I think you can see what the Dilemma is I

026want to already hand it to Katie and her entire team Tony my office staff across our business office when you see these numbers it's the work that constantly goes on there's still more work to do but we're in a better shape than we were last week and now we'll at the end we'll tell you some options and some decision PLS 9 minutes no but I am all right good evening um it's all right with the board I'm going to fly through this first part pretty quickly um give you some updates um that have been made between last time and today let Tony talk about um one of our biggest components of the instructional budget and then we'll we'll get down to the discussions and decision funds we need to get to tonight so state aid

027a couple updates here uh Transportation Aid uh went lately $25,000 this is part of the process that we do of um continually updating our fund balance projections Transportation Aid is aided next year based on our expenditures this year so as we fine-tune um our projection for this year the aid in tun gets adjusted so uh slight adjustment there uh um had a decrease of $150,000 um I want to point out that this is not lost money this is just money that's going to be amortised a little differently um the big flxs project was walking a very fine line on well those majority additions or Renovations and we had talked last time that depending on which one of those they are it's advertised over 15 years or 20 years so based on um how the project

028is wrapping up and it's the number the final numbers that we're seeing we we just tipped over on to the 20 year oranization so it it changes the budgetary year but it's not lost money but we did have to make that adjustment um this year um on the positive side we did get an increase in our excess cost Aid of uh $243,000 uh this is Aid that we get on uh students uh receiving a variety of related Services um it's the calculation based on the um exceeding of a certain FAL that we get PA on for those uh services for those students so that was a a welcome to see uh so total State a um still a decrease as we talked about the -28 uh but we did make ground we were. 58% the

029last time we're 45% this time so little little pieces in their right direction uh this component of the calculation did not change um however this slide did that Capital exclusion piece um was adjusted for the shift in the building Aid um that I just mentioned and our bus Bond um also just sold on the market uh the estimate we had for interest was off a hair $112,000 so that had to be incorporated into the calculation so the calculation total went from an increase of 7.12% to 7.47% so all those adjustments summary of budgeted revenues were at 104 million 49249 again making ground our percentage change is an increase of 1.68% versus the 1.38% from the last meeting expenditure side um as we said last year the closer we get to the end of the process

030the fewer and fewer adjustments we're going to see as we um find tune everything we possibly can so for the additions not much um $30,000 in change um that 12,000 is The Debt Service change we had to make for the increased interest um nomal increase to the contractual line um mostly due to our obligatory um L have thing that we have to have complete this um this fiscal year um Mike is going to start working on it this year and then we'll complete those work most of the work next year uh salary side we have a decrease um from a variety ad on the salary side of $176,000 a whole host of things but to simplify it you know additional breakage um and took a lot of time and did a full line by line

031review of all salaries all positions all people specific U spent time with Tony and Kelly on identifying a lot of you know where's everybody at and in the right place so that was extremely helpful exercise um and then just some other contractual updates that we would see along the way uh Bose we have a decrease of $81,000 um we continue to review the Bose's budget and have meetings with both Administration as appropriate um Phil joh Coy Tony and I just met with the director of the uh the technology Services uh just last week and really trying to beat some points home um and some concerns we have some pricing within the poster uh so there were um several adjustments made down in that closer offset by an increase we did have to make but we

032did save money of 81,000 in just one claser um and we will again Tony and I sit down with Bill and Kelly and all those that have really big components in the Bose budget go through it again with the F who's come make sure we're agreeable with all the numbers and have those conversations continuously with B until we're all on the same page so just a reminder these are the budg considerations that we've been talking about through the course of this process I will know um number one the fourth grade play we took it off the list it's in the budget nominal amount the consensus seem to be we want it we value it let's do it so it's officially in um just a quick recollection for you for what these other ones are the

033three primary level teaching assistants um were a recent add to the budget um and we're taken out this year these were T added the the primary grade levels of each of our elementaries for the extra support for our students um it was it definitely had its value and this is something we would consider to uh add back in summer Learning Academy it was the initiative we started during um with the co Monies to help the students uh get that jump start on the school year uh before the school opens to um assist with any um you know summer lag or like can happen to prep them and get them ready to go for the start of the school year um two bus monitors um we've had these before these are the bus monitors that Flo

034around on our jet end buses you know there's a particular behavioral issue one will be assigned until the issue is rectified and then float it over to another bus that needs the support we currently have one we we're asking to increase it by two the assistant principles at the three elementaries uh Tony gave a pretty comprehensive over of uh all the services and benefits that this uh this position can add to the building um it's a great resource it's a great asset um that benefits the building as a whole it benefits the staff and supports that they need the teacher CA um all the staff the students benefit from this additional support and as well as the general operation so it's a a wide reaching position that touches a lot of uh in the building

035in the curriculum work I'll let Tony speak to a little bit more later um but this increase would allow him to do other great work his team is doing with the mtss work that they've presented on in the last few months um as well as work with Ela and math but again I'll let johy get into the specifics a little bit more but that is um an important pool of money uh to continue District initiatives uh so with all adjustments today our current budget is 106 m296 471 this is a 3.52% increase down last time we were at 3.79 the last time so slowly but surely we're moving in the right direction and again I just want to point out that this that's a great number of the 352 that is a reasonable budget to

036budget year increase this isn't outlandish this includes all the considerations um um it's a solid number this is where we should be seeing our budget year over year it's that Revenue piece that we're lacking it's just not keeping up a a quick overview of our Reserve balances U we talked about these quite a bit um just an update these balances have been updated for the3 projection to include any accruit interest we anticipating based on the cash flow review in the uh that has been working very hard on to maximize every dollar of Interest we can get U so those numbers are now included quick reminder that that tax settlement is still pending um it seems pretty imminent now that a settlement is coming so the ER reserve and the tax Reserve will both be liquidated

037to support the amount of settlement we talked about a million dollar last year and that's about Works coming in this year um and just a reminder to so the EVR and The Debt Service fund the balances they show they have not yet been adjusted for the anticipated amounts of use that isn't done until we close the books June 30th so EVR will go down $200,000 and The Debt Service fund will go down 2 million we've had some questions about fund balance and understanding what the the real numbers are we verbalized them the last time but I wanted to put it up here in black and white so everyone um can refer to this so our unassigned fund balance that's um that's the 4% that we're allowed to carry according to law that's kind of our

038our safety net if we have a budget year that needs that extra support um we're currently at 3.88% and I believe this is the first year we've been over four or under the 4% and achieving that 3.88 took a lot of work to minimize the impact it would have been a lot lower um but based on an fund balance projections we were able to plan ahead accordingly make some adjustments and um preserve that 4% as best we could um Danel referenced that it's in our policy that it's the district school to maintain the 4% so we work very hard to get there the assigned fund balance uh so that is for any incumbrances that are um for purchases or Services um that are in process for this year but we might not have received our

039invo time before we close the books so that money is carried over to the following fiscal year so the following fisc year isn't impacted that same kind of money is is held for those purposes nonspendable um is for items that have to be paid in July there's a weird window in July where um things are du but the books haven't fully rolled over uh so we have the ability to do prepayments to hold it now but we pay it as of July 1st in the appropriate fiscal year so this balance of $74,000 that you be represents our July one payment that's due for our workers compensation insurance plan due to the timing of the payment we had to book it as such to um make that payment timely and the appropriated fund balance that's the

040million dollar um that we Fe the budget to support what we need to to fund and move forward with our funding plan um and I just want to know um that this information is available in our external audit report Um this doent can be found on our board docs from the September 19th 2024 meeting uh Finance item action 8.10 and there's also a link to our web page of where all current and historical Audits and corrected correct action plans can be found um and then just for um conversation sake a quick overview about how fund balance projection is done so it takes these components it takes the reserve components all the ins and outs and transactions of those various pieces Reserve used if we have money coming in do we have money coming out um

041it looks at our operating our operating deficit and all that gets combined together in a calculation with the hope that we result in that 4% um there was a question at the last meeting about um how many modified Sports we have with two teams uh so you'll see for fall we have three winter we have two and spring we have two uh with a note on softball that typically we have two but not for this year uh so if that doesn't um information is leing on that particular question we'll have you to provide more information but that's the B level information so with where we stand now um our Gap with all the considerations is down to 1.88 recall it was 2.4 at the last meeting so making making progress in the right direction um

042if we remove all of them you know it doesn't have to be an all or nothing but just to give you both ends of the spectrum if we took them all out the Gap is 1.4 million uh the tools below are already Incorporated we've already included the maximum allowable tax levy um and the reserve and fund balance listed below so we just wanted to take a break real quick you see the other side we're not asking for discussion right now but you have closing measures we still hopeful for the foundation Aid final New York state budget hopefully before the 10th um but if you notice we struck out Reserve use and fund balance use because there's not many opportunities that we can at this point with especially the AR not settlement coming up that has

043to be spread about among all the other taxpayers but we have to pay for the reimbursement for the past years and I we had heard from the board that for the most part we need to sort of shy away from that so that's why we put those lines we'll come back if you think we need to change that but the other two the only way to close this Gap left is either budget ructions or the challenge which you guys have been talking about with both that's the fourth in the road and after the presentation we'll give you a couple comparisons before we get into that discussion when we're talking about reductions I need you to understand there is not much operationally because we have already done that the past year we can talk about different

044things here and there but we are unfortunately a people business 78 to 90 million is based on Staffing and program the rest is operational and there's not much because we've already reduced that so that really is one of the discussions at the end that we need final Direction on to get ready for the attempt so want you to think about it Tony's going to give you his version of the instructional program just like the others but at that point we will come back we'll hit hit this slide and then all of us will be back here to have a final discussion Tony good evening so as you heard I'm going give uh overiew our instructional excuse me as typical with the presentations you'll hear me on salaries and salary items in the following slides skip

045that over right now uh I'm going to go just down the line with starting contractable um the primary reduction here is the um SRO being reduced one due to the building consolidation so that is why you see that significant decrease in my contractual this coming year conferences I do want to highlight a little bit that number continues to be very R it we are very conscious of the current situation and um those numbers continue to be decreased you might recall last year and I'll go into a little further on the salary slide andian of our grant funding to offset operational budgets for this school year for currently um this is a continuation of that um so these conferences you know they pck for a variety of opportunities for staff but we like I said um

046we continue toce that year until when at some point we do have to sustainability consider that supplies um you'll recall last year we we went across the board all buildings all offices and had reductions great down to the classroom teacher in this line and um even with the current inflationary market and stretching our dollars we have only a small increase to that just to purchase some specific things but overall nominal um increase comparatively again considerations of what that might look like in the future to go back to what we have in supply lines especially for our staff ours equipment um like you see there again it's the same story over and over we're trying to be um manage what we need and what we have a greater portion of that does come through our computer

047AED software this um excuse me Hardware some of our monies are in that but um this is all seven buildings and all offices Associated um and central office um instructional is included in all these L conference class and Equipment bis is where we see our largest increase like Katie mentioned before we have continual conversations to make sure we're on the same page and we have the same understandings um but CTE is one you hear you've heard us talk about year after year that we do not have much control over it's based on a certain average as is the print shop cost and both of them are seeing this ctd costs are going to be going up 150,000 in change um and then print shop costs are going up 24,000 so between those twos and other

048abs and flows it's a primary driver of that bosis increase tuition oops that was weird sorry about that get back to my slide don't look you're going to get this down um again below seats just go the two items as well as this includes our um alted program um our library coaster our stem kits that I talked about and we're looking at and what that might look like for the future our model schools the participation in that and um it also includes um our FTE for the instructional Tex we have three individuals that have been assigned to the district we took a reduction in that for this year um these are the people that assist uh teach and students with instructional implementation specifically was used for canvas and other uh initiatives that we have course

049the South part implementation again this year we we did have a reduction you might have remembered it as a consideration early on um in an earlier presentation this has been removed but again U that b service is valuable and something that we would like to look back to in the future uh to increase that FTE the tuition is the F Academy and Charter School tuition cost cost care placements um this we we fine tune again we hear this a lot with an's help and went looking through exactly what the cost will be and try to get that a better number so you'll see a reduction there and lastly textbooks is fixed based on a per people allocation so you can see my sto here at a 1.6 increase perc um just to give you perspective

050last year we presented a similar number and it ended up being after all reductions aus 1.2 1% in my uh for for this these lines um so again going into this year we took a reduction of 1.28% and this year moving the next when we looking at a 1.6% increase again we're being very Mindful and do the best account what we what we can manage in the short term with the Contin understanding of what sustainable and what's not if you were to add up all your first four lines you will get a whole number um that represents our traveling teachers you might recall specifically uh enl and music teachers that travel between buildings that's why we have some some um partial people in those first three lines or four lines excuse me again the greater

051part of all salaries is contractual obligations from year to year right so with with that there are some details some lines will show some major breakage because of uh retirees and new hires that we brought on um but as a whole um you'll see um nominal increases in our first floor lines when it comes to instructional I will address um some of the money we're carrying is going to come on the next line when we talk about we we hope to fill positions and some of our long-term sub costs when it comes to positional salaries our educational support ad clerical um you will see a significant reduction here uh Kelly had alluded to this prior um in her presentation it wasn't shown on hers but it affected both her myself and and Joe um and

052how we do our work and the expectations of the job um so we have two pieces to that first of all is a removal of a position from the office and the distribution of two day a week csse taken on by Kelly and um the remaining three days was split between Joe and I when it comes to the state reporting and the work that we do with State ad um so significant decrease at the central office for educational support in my office the princip oh now by the way also the significant increase is not just that one position it was the grant funded you recall I earlier we relied on upk grants and the title two Grant to um offset salaries um in that line as well which in turn took away from conferences and

053other abilities and supplies it was the the give and take to make sure we can make through it this year principles in clerical that number is loaded that does include the three assistant principles I'll go through everything it does include just to be clear um it has our office staff in all of the six buildings for next year it has our principles in each building the four existing assistant principles three additional assistant principles as um and it shows a decrease in the vice principal of the high school the principal and staff at Center Street just by positional not there anymore so a lot of gives and takes out of that line the princial and clerical um and with that you see that nominal increase from year to year despite having those three positions in the

054councel in clerical has a aate flat that just represents our Middle School and High School clerical and counseling offices library is a reduction from last year that's why you see a a number down from year to year since the closure of Center Street that did not affect livelihood with that individual that librarian um reduction and lastly the teaching assistance um that does include the three loaded primary that we we just talked about considerations so um year year the biggest increase that you're going to note there is has to do with the school day and the the changes in the the longer school day for prek K through six so looks like a g normous for contractual R is not because additional hour time required for TAS that might have been in a different Elementary schedule

055this year and what the Elementary schedule will be for next year so that's why that number might look a little bit larger than some of the others so we continue to stay pretty St sta strong with significant not going to lie hits at the central office and um in the work that we're trying to do um but benefit of the building level in this particular um suggestion and um overview of 2526 in our related items we have a variety of different um things Beyond those just basic salary um instructional sitiens uh this could include the contractual pr22 um Department chairs inter murals um it's contractually obligations is the number from year to year the inservice is a number held for mentoring programs typ in and service workshops um it used to hold some of what

056we called our isc's our instructional sport coaches but we removed that from the budget for this year and with hope there's a we can get that back in can you allude to the 20,000 in the curriculum you'll see it here uh it doesn't do it justice if I was to show 23 24 numbers we were at $197,000 for that line I'll say that again curriculum line 24 was $197,000 in change we offset with ARP money and cers money over the years we have a robust curriculum and our Ela MAV we're able to support our you know uh the work that we're doing across prek 12 and a lot of initiatives um with Tiffy our Kelly Jo so the 20,000 that you saw in the consideration is built in it's with the hopes that we can

057maintain and hopefully at least move forward our El math and continue with our ntss be remiss if I didn't admit that I have concerns about some other initiatives that we're trying to get done they might have to go on the burner until we try to reset and figure out other ways to provide this learning or provide this time for teachers to work but this will certainly be beneficial and start year after year build up home instruction is a fixed number that we carry year to year it's just um two wishing cost for services provided um outside these walls due to last special circumstances mainly medical and other reasons and substitute teacher this was a line I just referenced in the prior slide this is a a substantial increase and the major why here is we

058we do carry some retired teachers at a different rate that's required because there's not a market and we're not be able to F positions we're hopeful K and I both attended um two different teacher um recruitment days at some local colleges or some Regional colleges I should say and got our name out there and tried to plug away and get we both to follow up with emails and try to lock some of those teachers in retired teachers love them they're doing wonderful work for us um but I think they we need to find a long-term solution for that problem you know for that position and lastly the subtitute teaching AIDS and extra pay that just is could be Saturday school it could be a tutoring center um it's anytime substitute or teaching assistant is working

059outside the school day as an extra pay so I think that concludes my side um is there any questions about um yeah okay so when you were talking about I have to go up the contractual line I think just yeah um is that strictly just sro's no that's all all conru lines across seven buildings and okay but that's where you said the SRO was taken out of so that's why there is the decrease in that one yes and then just to make sure I'm clear on this the wishes that you guys want to have um from the list above you work them into this presentation they are in all considerations that yes are in yes okay um just because it I think it made it I was trying to figure it out it was making

060it a little confusing so some of your numbers could be less or equal if those weren't built in but you're showing compar of it's really not that much more so we're showing it loaded right we're showing everything in it and that's why the slide that king Tom presented on showed less and with consideration to show both ends of the spectrum we needed we needed to be at the top because it's EAS pull out then to say let's talk about this and put in we'll show both in a couple slides but that's why we had to put it in and then it's going to be somewhere between there or the bottom and that's going to be as this is the board's budget that's going to be your decision to help us get to where we need

061to okay thank you I think those are the only um two questions that I had just for clarification thank you you mentioned Bose going up 150,000 for the CTE program how many kids do we have in the CTE program great question don't know off the top of my head on average it's around right now 228 yes yes 228 Y and that's come down from our high about 247 the way Bose builds it is they use the last two years of enrollment I've been asking to use a 5year smoothing average but it's Fallen upon de years so if last year we had and I'm just using this as an example if last year we had 250 kids and last year's budget we only budgeted 230 because the year before we only had 230 now this year's

062budget we have the budget for 250 even if we only have 210 so that's how they work the 2year average so in this budget there's no positions being lost at this point there's no positions that we currently have that are being lost however there are are attrition positions where we have enrollment and operational losses but that doesn't mean that we're changing anything such as we uh potentially have a vacant position if we don't need it we're going to remove it but we're trying to keep it away from Individual livelihoods thank you um yes it was uh the followup to that uh the B question so we do we we pay them in advance no what it is is that's how bis runs their budget right preferably I've made a request that you take the enrollment

063over the past five years say it's 5 years of 200 the average would be 200 they use your last enrollment from the previous each year so it's a twoe it's a 2-year window even though if you're have going in you're getting the break but if you have less kids going in you're actually being overcharged if you have significantly less kids you don't get the breakage until the next year and that's that breakage can be sort of nullified if the cost for bosis goes up so if I have less kids next year and I already paid for more kids this year and next year the cost of POS goes up it could actually wipe out any savings okay I do not believe it's the best budgeting but that's how close these budgets and they they set

064their own parameter okay thank you so to pay back off that so ruc what are our parameters for allowing kids to in the CTE program are we reducing our numbers all we have not reduced our numbers uh BOS sometimes does not have the seats for the kids that we have and we try to help uh there are some schools that limit students going to CTE for budgetary purposes we have not tried to do that at this point because it's an educational program we feel strongly I think the board feels strongly we try to but we also hold them accountable if they go they are expected to go and participate the way they're expected if not we would take them out but we've not really had that issue at okay thank you my other question is

065for Tony um can you elaborate a little bit more on what the substitute teaching assistant AIDS and extra pay is I think he said school on Saturday we have school on Saturday that's a it's a disciplinary issue it's a minor part of that the more touring cost would be C cost we have a teacher in the TA that assigned to that that's a daily to increase those hours couple years ago took 15 hours a week for secondary students and so we did see a bump that one year we went to that so that's a larger chunk of that money is there other questions go ahead one more question um the two bus monitors were not in this presentation though those positions they are in there this right so they're included in the overall in the

066overall I'm just yeah I was wondering if because some of those chunks were put into Tony sing but that 56,000 wasn't wasn't put into riches yeah we we adjusted it across the board so when we give our final budget to ination for approval you would see that adjustment at that point okay and then um my question and I don't know if it would make a difference in the amount for the $56,000 um when I was driving for the heights we some of the AIDS that we had on the buses were not trained bus drivers so they didn't have to go through all of the licensing and the expenditures for all of that but they were people who also like worked in the cafeteria or did something like that have you ever considered maybe doing a

067Crossing like that that maybe wouldn't require all of the money that it would take to train a driver per se or to have them we actually that but doesn't there's a lot uh that can do that because you have to be very careful Crossing unions and labor relations and work time requirements under the Department of Labor but we do explore it one weend yeah that because I wasn't sure if you know we if we could do that and you know they need bus monitors if that was an option maybe we could get four bus monitors at a lower cost you know just trying to think Crea that's the way we think it as well and uh we do have to keep in mind the collective bargaining agreement because they want drivers that are monitors as

068well and honestly we do too just because of the fact driver shortages can affect us any time but we also want our our monitors to support the drivers and wherever we can try to find them we try yeah yeah that would be my um you know a monitor is better than no monitors that's really that thank you bring home so just a reminder before I move on to our next here um with considerations everything in 1.8 take them all out wholesale for the other end of the spectrum 1.4 and it can be between on WE a discussion so I put together on the next slide um some ly scenarios um that explores what it looks like if we challenge what it looks like if we don't Challenge and we'll come back to our option we

069have that discuss so option one is if we don't challenge not challenging let's see down at the bottom requires 1.8 million reductions that will likely be Staffing and program because we are a serviced industry we are heavily budgeted for people and benefits right so to come up with that amount of money it would be really hard to not touch that again like we were able to try to do last year so with that if we did not challenge we would need a 50% simple majority the ly would be the 51 392 445 the 74 7% increase which was what was presented earlier in the presentation option two still not challenging still requires substantial amount of reductions could use a little bit of debt service to offset that impact to the taxpayer bring the ly down

070to 50, 392 and 5.3% but again both scenarios significant reductions have to be made in order to accom that with a simple majority just so that you know in option two you have to be mindful because I know the question's going to come well why do we have to reduce 1.8 million when we're using Debt Service for one mil The Debt Service doesn't take anything away from the reductions all it does is help to lower the levy percentage increase that's it it that goes to the community it does not lower the requirement for the reductions in either one of those options to balance the budget in option one and option two no matter which one you can see the levy increase we don't know what the rate is it's still a little bit too early

071but no matter what each of those would be the situation that we were at last year which was not as pleasurable for the administration uh but that's that's our job but it's through the guidance of the board so if you are considering option one and option two know that we have a lot of work to do between now and the 10 because I know one of the questions well what will it look like as Katie said we are a people business a lot of the options although they individual names may have changed that we knew those options from last year are the options maybe some slight tweak because we're in a little different situation but that's where we would have to look so now for what you talked about last year let's keep what we

072have the challenge piece Katie's going to talk you through both of those as well all right so option three the first challenge scenario this includes if we challenge that 1.8 million that keeps everything considerations that we've talked about using a $1 million uh use of Debt Service brings to L to uh Just sh of 52 million with a 99.33% increase this keeps everything we have keeps all of our staff keeps all of our programs and continues to include those items that we talked about that we feel we have value that would add a benefit to our district option four another ch option but it would just be to maintain what we have all those considerations would be gone if we went that route um still use the million dollars that's something we want to still

073make sure we use we use 2 million in the current year we need to kind of Step ourselves off so it's not a a shocking shift back over to the taxpayer um so if we use a million dollars it brings the levy to 51820 or a percentage of 8.37 one thing I want to know um from our conversation we had last week we had a a very robust conversation that was much appreciated and one of the takeaways that I heard was a challenge could be considered if we get that ly under 10% and in both of these scenarios with and without the considerations we are under 10 and I want to say this is where we're at now we still have the hope of more State a hopefully with an on time budget that would

074be helpful we have some things in mind that we need to work on in the next couple weeks that may allow us to get some of those considerations in a cost neutral fashion um so there is more work to do to improve those numbers we always have you know some other tools we can do to modify the levy if we need to meet a certain goal um but we've at least got the base goal of being under 10 um so we have a discussion of as Tom said where do we want to call option one option two we're not comfortable with challenging so we have to make those reductions option three option four do we want to just maintain what we have do we want to try to grab those other beneficial items for our

075staff and our students with a a increase to the levy with the caveat is there's still work to be done and probably coming back to the next time with a better number and just before a question as you look at these if you recall last year because I've got to bring up last year we were looking at about 12 12 and A4 when we did The Debt Service and we brought it down to around N9 High n and the community was great they they did that but there was a lot of um unease and so forth that's why we're at that fork in the road tonight you notice right now we're there and you already heard me say we're hoping for more from State a and the considerations you're really between those two numbers we

076think we may be able to address some of those considerations we still have to do some V and try to get us in a better place but at a more neutral cost and again we're not even talking about what the actual cost is on the rate yet we have a good idea what's going to happen just like last year when we did the challenge we said the rate was going to be at $100,000 home between $12 to $24 per $100,000 home It ultimately ended up on full value at being ne49 per full value for that 9% challenge last year we've got double the growth this year and also another uh major pilot that's coming off that's got to come on to the roles it's definitely going to impact the rate we're just not there yet

077we may not be there totally at the 10 but I think you're going to see different numbers based on our discussion and pressur that this rate could potentially be down near zero or negative but will still be conservative our track record for 10 years has absolutely been dead on always less than what we projected so we wanted you to think about that uh as you look at it before we head into discussion but Christine you have a question it it wasn't a question it was just more of a comment I mean really that's not 1.8 in reductions it's really 1.4 in reductions because that 1.8 includes the extras that we we had to put 1.8 because we've got to keep true to the presentation so right now in this bu budget that's presented it would

078be the 1.8 but it's taking out those extra considerations cuz right now they're in right but if this is out in the community I don't want the community to think that it's 1.8 in reductions to programs and staff those considerations are gone and then it's 1.42 so I just think that we need to clarify this if this is especially if this is online and people can see because it's that could be no we appreciate that because once we get the fork in the road discussion ision next next meeting we're only focusing on the fork that's chosen the other the other comment I have I just I went back through for the past seven years what that um percent um budget increase has been and you know Katie made made the comment you know 3.52 is

079really really good I mean you look at over the past seven years the average was was was 4.66 the low was 2.28 the high was 9.37 right so the fact that we at 352 um particularly since last year was that 9.37 I mean that's that's really significant right and so it's it's that is a really reasonable and that also shows the improvement from the inflation healthare to what the board the community did last year to this year and just so they know historically over the time every superintendent every business office knows that you try to stay right around four to three and a half% that's the sort of area that you have to Trend in regularly that's why back before the tax cap the contingency was 4% because they said 4% is the average over

080the decades so if you're going to stay between 3 and a half and 4% of growth in your uh budgeted year you're really on track of what normal businesses normal education institutions should be doing to keep moving forward can you switch back to slide 14 please for conversation sa which one is it it is the budget considerations [Music] oh put so I just I need to clarify this for me so when we're looking at the three primary level teaching assistants those are in addition to and your thought process is one for each building because of the increase in numbers due to the closure no it's a plan that we've been doing regularly throughout I think the young lady next to you would say oh that's a primary dream to sort of match some of our

081other districts we're not there yet but we have been trying to do that to Aid in the early interventions and insructions of the primary so what is our ratio of teachers that are working singularly versus T in the classroom pretty much it I mean if you do it I think we've got enough right now that we could cover one grade level that's it okay so is the idea for these teaching assistants to rotate amongst different teachers or to be with one teacher we leave that up to the building to decide best we have offered things where half a day in one room half a day in the other working part between uh individuals our principles take care of that and this was something that we added to the budget couple years ago maybe years ago

082this to support those more our Littles in the classroom s after supports that they need and I think the principles would agree that that really showed a benefit in the classrooms and the servicing of the students um just just to answer your question have two classroom T right now one at K garden and one at first grade they rotate to all the classrooms where we really try to get them in with their schedules is to be pushing in when they're doing Ela so there's extra small group help and be pushing in when they're doing writing and and activities like that where you really need to be focusing on small gr sorry haven't that over here somewhere I'm like my time's up everyone hear that okay without without so for the next line items summer Learning

083Academy this is something that we currently had in place in years past and if we do not have it in the budget this year does that mean that it would go away yes okay EAS our F right right so this would be to maintain cor at a lesser scale um understanding where we're at but it still to maintain a smaller select students who need those needs prior to the start of the school year and the two bus monitors we already heard the explanation for that um and assistant principles at all of the building levels really because of the influx of students due to the consolidation and a number of myriad of needs that were expressed in the prev that was really you know kind of more of the Catalyst these needs have always existed with

084an influx of 100 more students it kind of brings this need more to the Forefront and the curriculum work can you explain that $20,000 line please there's a contract you know amount per hour that we pay our teachers to do work specifically usually during the summer we do have some that do it out during the school year after school day um so like I said before it was used to be about 197,000 plus some tile 2 a monies that now even been reduced and moved to FTE to cover the current year $20,000 will not it'll amount enough to cover and a total now we'll have $69,000 total in that line for next year with this 20 ad um would allow us to do a specific math and Ela Focus work in the curriculum to continue

085that um it be a stress we try to maintain some of our science we have to we have assessment changes make sure our students and of our teachers are prepared for the sust changes we see coming in science we just had that sh with the fth Crea movement um recently and the investigations and that continue to support for that work so science is also up on there and then the integration of social studies as well as the state so it's it's enough to honestly I want to see that number move up each year but I have to be mindful what we're asking and we're looking for the community and the board so it's it's a matter of what we could do for now understand we do more as I so currently we don't have a

086line item for this or this is no we do you do see it on addition two yes 3,000 to 59,000 right and because it was a larger amount that's why you added it in here versus just increasing the line item in the other portion of the budget well we have to add it someplace it's a new add to to the system it's been reduced for this current school year so it's got to be it's an ad it's a straight up ad okay got it the the issue is we said this is a one to foure fix look at I'm going to tell you the biggest thing we do is education in curriculum we need 160,000 plus 39 to do what we need to do but we all had to sort of try to solve the

087problem last year and that is where we were able to get to now the sustain which we said last year has to move forward so that's why that's there would I mean look at I need curriculum Gap analysis on assessments going so what I guess what I'm trying to get down to is this and asking these questions is that teaching assistants bus monitors assistant principles are new ads whereas summer Learning Academy and curriculum are current but looking to be increased and maintained okay yeah that's a good take and and I would you say not not maintained also restored so that we can do what our primary a or increas everything else has been in existence took a hit to balance this year's budget we Val them enough to have this conversation with you an opportunity

088thank you thank you U first of all I want to say thank you for all the efforts that have been made to put the teacher teaching assistance in the primary classrooms because you know that's kind of um I think we have neighboring school districts who we have a better ratio with that than we do so I'm glad that it is being considered um being a primary I know uh the ratio small groups it's so important to catch their needs their weaknesses when they are in early grades and then those teachers who are in the intermediate grades because I was on that side of town for a while re the benefits and there's an oldfashioned adage a stitching time saves nine so just keep that in and just to clarify I just needed to hear it

089for myself it's not that I'm for or against any of these things I needed clarification and probably because I missed last presentation I I appreciate everybody's focusing on the direct questions I do it helps us move forward Chris so um just to pigy back on that as well um you know and and I I don't know what meeting it was I said it a while ago that I'm definitely favor I understand the need for the assistant principles but when you look at this and if if if we if we decide or we can't get all these considerations in would it make more sense to do six primary teaching assistants and then not do the assistant principles and I know it's I know it's different buckets of work right but it's still it still gets more

090assistance in the school at that at that level and again I don't know if that's even a possibility or something that's been talked about I would I would say we're going at the pace we should be going at over many years I would not add to this not that I'm against it but we also like we said we have some things we're working on right now to try to mitigate some of the cost because I will tell you challenging is not easy and the more and greater challenge you have you have to be able to justify and explain it I do think our community understand what they want and I know you know the board is trying to it's really these are what we put up I would ask you not to add other things

091at this point uh because I think at least two of those we might be able to make cost neutral I think you can always look at one of those specifically and see if there's a way to phase it in as well uh but right now we prepared it this way for this discussion because we need to give you the full picture of the ranges I think if you have the full picture of the ranges if you decide one way your your decision we don't have to have on this tonight your decision Narrows in once we know what's the actual impact to the individual resident that pays taxes and that's the rate discussion um I think ultimately it will get down to if you give us our guidance we're going to try to build the best

092rate discussion for the 20 is it no no for the very last one because we'll still have work to do I think it's after the spring break is the night we have to do it but the 10th we are trying to get all the decisions so that you basically say we're okay here build us this or if you can even better and that's what we've been known for okay so things could change and you might not have to do a challenge you're saying you think pretty strongly they have to be a challenge no I can't say the the board's going to have to decide I can't tell you whether they're going to a challenge that's entirely up to you it's either you make redu ask us to come back with reductions or if you don't

093want reductions these are the challenge do I think it's going to get better on at least the challenge side as we go back I do believe it will improve just because we've got some things we haven't fully Ved yet but we think they're going to be ready for the tent that will possibly bring some of those numbers down right and then depending on what the board ultimately like when you sit there and look between 1.4 and 1.8 and you go to the considerations and you say hey as a board we'd like to put the curriculum in but we don't want to put this in or we that will change and on the 10 if we know that now we've taken that wide Gambit and put it into a very small linear sequential formula now we

094look at how can we do it and hopefully we get more state aid we look at the rates and then we bring you back the best picture that usually will be better than what we say on the T that's our goal well and we don't know what the taxes are for sure not yet it's still too early that's uh I don't have all the pieces I yet um um but not as we can say I always push Kae I know I've already pushed her and she said don't she's going to say don't you say what I've already told you and I won't but we do know there's certain given the given we increased double the value of our growth which helps to bring down rates we know that there's a pilot we just don't know

095how it's going to impact like last year the what was it the Centennial pipeline pilot came off that was a $100 million growth just for that pipeline that's the one that's difficult to put on the this year this year because what happens is they have to go through and do these calculations and work on it but we know that it's going to have a Major Impact to the value of the district as the district's value goes up the share and the rate go down if the district's Val is in a negative decline the rates go up because you got to share everybody's got to share more but our 10year history is whatever we put out as a conservative estimate ours is been lower and that's what we want to try to get you at least

096a a hypothetical ideal by the 10th and then we'll work to get you the best possible hypothetic go for the approval dat so that's really where the discussion goes to at this point here's the fork in the road and I know it's hard but you have to have the discussion which side of those two options does the board wish to finish the budget path on and only you can decide because if you tell us we're option one option two that's where we've got to go if you tell us we don't like option one option two we we we really want to consider this then then we'll still do both options but at the next meeting you'll have to tell us what considerations as we try to refine anything else so Katie taking not open the

097floor you [Music] guys so I'll offer my thoughts about the fork in the road I frankly I think that the left hand side option one and two are um simply non starters I think that we heard from the community last year that they wanted us to preserve staff and programs and there's no way that we can cut even without the considerations some of which we heard are um not technically add right so but even if you make that about a million and a half that is for example 6% of the instructional salary of there's no way and not saying that's where we would cut from it could be from it whether it's administrators it's it's got to be deep in terms of the cuts that would have to be made to close that Gap and

098when I look at that versus you know just several additional percentage points from a levy perspective to me to go from 5.4 to 8.4 seems like it's worth it in order to or at least it's worth it to put it to the community and say we've heard you you want to maintain saying this is what it takes to do that I would be strongly in favor of that now I hear the value of the considerations and the extent you can make those costs neutral and get us closer to this 8.37 you know that's what I like but um even the 9.33 option three brings it in under the 10 that I mentioned last time so I think option three or four or some you know so you're on the right hand side of the road

099yeah I think that that us my VI I think that's what we heard from the community last year and that what we should do this year uh and you know hopefully we see that same support to clarify um you're open to exploring with and without the considerations to see where that still goes yes yes yeah we're I mean the big thing is I don't need to know option three or option four I just need know left or right okay I agree with what Dan said strongly so I won't repeat all of that but I would definitely the phrase that I heard tonight that kind of set a shiver up my back was significant reductions I don't think anybody here tonight we in the community would want to see that happen to the horse at school

100district so I'm voting for side option three or four I agree I'm also a right CER but I think there can be a 3.5 uh option 3.5 I think there's wiggle please that this is just where it is absolutely that's just my comment you're ahead of us you've done this before I know but I yeah I think we can find a Middle Road in there um but I'm definitely on the right side of things yeah and and that 3.5 honestly we're probably going to that's really the 10 discussion because once we get there then it's really us narrowing it down to the final I mean I will tell you we're on four and five budget presentation there schools that are just starting the first budget presentation this week and they are in in the same

101situation and I will tell you there's at least three other schools at this point I believe and I know two are challenging our and one of them is challenging out of 15% because they are going to have significant reductions uh and they're not self-funded but their issue is health care and the inflation but mostly healthare because they're predetermined plan so I just want you to know those things but please keep going this helps us to guide us in the right direction um thank you for doing all of this by the way so I also am on option 3 3.5 and four um and I'll say that because um I will say that the considerations um I I would like to see what it would look like with just the curriculum work and the summer learning

102the two things that are already um in the work so just kind of the additional add-ons um to keep going without any addition whates thank you so I am not for an intruction so I definitely like to see option three or four and I think you want us to try to get the best option for everybody once we get down to the bot right we need the best option but um we do our staff and taking away from what the kids need I'm not in favor for that at all thank um I'm also in favor of the right side of of of a challenge um particularly you know you look at our year-over-year budget increase of only 3.52 mean last year was significantly higher um the went out with a higher tax um ly increase

103the community and and we did we heard Lou of clear um last year that the community does not want us to reduce positions so um it that does not put us in in a good position from time as as as a district so I definitely think and I'm I'm confident that the rate will be low um if not even negative um based on just just the history so I'm in favor if I can I'm not trying say we are trying to minimize affecting individuals however there is always still operational depending on enrollment things that we do but we've looked at that the nice part is come April 1st is our enrollment lock in date and we will start moving forward with our plans a number of sections next year uh and we do have long-term

104subs and so forth so we might not have in the same position but we have other options and then on the consideration I mean I am in favor of all of those considerations if if we're able to do it and still keep our tax levy percent increase um under that 10% I think I think they're all important um particularly in a year where there's going to be significant change in the district anyway with the redistricting and and the um addition of so many more students at those three elementary schools so you know having those teacher assistance having the um additional principles I think and then I agree I don't want to see summer Learning Academy go away right um and and then bus monitors also continue to help with the you know more more students

105on a bus things like that so I'm in favor actually of all those considerations TR um I did have a couple of questions about the presentation and um The Debt Service use um so last year it was around 5 million right I went I went to try to go back and look at it and so this year on the screen it was saying for the June balance is that taken out because I remember you said um there was taking a it wasn't taken out yet it was still being taken out so the numbers that were presented last year had not yet taken out the 2 million that we had appropriated to bring down the levy so that's where we're at the three and then projected June 30 2020 we used um for this year so

106is the is the 1 million in Deb line that service line is that represented in the 3 million or is that do we still have to take a million away that comes out of The Debt Service fund yeah that's what I'm saying right so right now we're projecting to end at 3.1 million so that includes the usage of The Debt Service we've allocated plus the addition of all the Investments That an has so we've aced a significant amount of interest to what what you're not seeing is if you look up there 4.875 if in June the projected was with no the no extra money no interest or anything that should say roughly 2.875 but it says 3167 because there's interest and the other things that they're projecting that it's going to be in there I'm

107just wondering if the million dollars is already taken out it would come out of that 321 so the board opted to use it to bring the ly down next June when we close June of 26 that 1 million will come off that current B so preum and interest we aot if we think ahead to this slide next year say we end exactly at 3.1 next year balance of as of 63025 would be 3.1 the projected balance without interest would be 2.1 because there's the million that pulled out we we're always projecting because we can't really finalize it until the end of the school year okay and last year what exactly was our I was looking it was right around 9.3 I think is what it was when we went to go challenge I was trying

108yeah I was trying to compare ly to Levy yeah your year I couldn't find that so [Music] um so last year you we did we did The Debt Service of like one we did a little bit more than a million we did two right so I'm wondering because I think it sounds nicer to get it down below nine I like that I like the eight in the beginning number I'm an option three or four um especially because you know you're saying that the list that we would get would be similar to the list of last year and I absolutely don't support that whatsoever um so I like option three or three four I think we do have to have a combination of both um I think that if we could get it down a little

109bit like into the 8% the levy increase by just a little yeah just a little bit more like maybe 1.5 because then maybe we can still get some of the asks and I know that you want to put the um building level administrators in there but I think that even saying that we need more teacher assistance because the you know maybe first grade is going to need teacher assistance maybe you know the kids with the changes are going to need more access to social workers having the ability to have those smaller positions that are regularly you know available and easy for kids to utilize I feel like would be um you know we certainly understand do do you know what I mean like I'm not I'm not saying that assistant principles are not important by

110any means but I I think that having like Christine was saying six primary level teaching assistants or you know extra assistant people in the RTI or yeah that I um so just a couple thoughts on that um gas B the principles and value they add value building wide to all facets of the building the primary Tas focus on one subset of the building valuable yes but their their sources are limited and when we're looking at these consolidations we are looking at a holistic approach of those supports the RTI social workers how can we maximize those resources along with these assistant principles to build the best possible structure for the kids so we're not ignoring those other supports in of trying to get these principles we're trying to find a plan all right right to to

111do it all that's why I think that it's a nice little um you know I think that it looks better when you are able to utilize just a little bit more in the um from The Debt Service fund to bring the levy down and then still get a little bit more of your money getting it more towards the 1.8 and then you know depending on what ends up actually coming to fruition you know depending and I'm not saying that I'm against this principles I'm saying it's like the first year so you know kind of see how things go and then maybe if that's a bigger like that's a bigger chunk of M I think we'll have some possibilities of what a 35 looks like option 3.5 so I want I would say let's not focus

112there right now but we've heard everything uh we are trying to say these are considerations because one of the things we don't want is at the last budget all of a sudden the board saying add another this much we want all basically board direction for us there so that we can build you the best thing which I think is exactly what you're saying is if I can get this from 9.3 and get what we really need down to say 8.9 that's better than 9.3 well what if I can get it to 8.2 that's what we will do between the 10th and approval we're going to try to get it more refinded the next one because I can tell you on some of those options we have to bet that they may come off not because

113we're not going to do them it's just we have another option we're just not ready to finalize we still have to bet and to your point yes 100% what you said is something that we do look at um I think we all know I'm very conservative about our use of reserves and making sure that we don't go too deep and drain our cers too far but yes utilizing The Debt Service fund what's what's that Comfort level of where we need go so I'm ping a million now it's definitely a may2 .5 I don't know if 1.5 is bringing me down to 5 6% 7% and if it does then that looks good and then you can even maybe say get a little more you know no no no no more than 1.8 I'm not trying

114to I'm not I'm not seeing I know but you're forgetting what we said earlier The Debt Service doesn't you more it just BR it just brings the levy down but the levy looks it looks better I think that when we challenge it if you bring it down I think that that like the perception is there and I think that if you're going to challenge to me if you're going to challenge I think you should try to get as much as you can if you're challenging like don't try to barely squeak by if you need program I understand if you need stuff for kids let's get the stuff for the kids you know that's that's my No I I I certainly understand and the hard part is I have to balance that because I don't want

115people thinking that if we put more in debt service we're going to be able to get more we've got to make sure that we get very low and this goes back to where I'm very conservative with this use that we stretched it for 2 million for this current year to help this challenge along high amounts like that aren't sustainable or eventually we're going to run out and and we have to have a plan we need to be mindful of what we have what we expect coming in and what's that little sweet spot of what we can do to grab what we can but still not damage our balances and see what you're talking about is once the Lord gives me the direction this is where I drive her and her and Tony because I'm going

116to try to do exactly what you're saying but I also am one of the only superintendents that's ever done this now twice maybe three times I will be the only and this will be the only board that could potentially have done it twice and I think I hope that the community would say we have a budget that's very low cost keeping everything and moving the district in the continued Direction and our budget has gotten stronger from last year so that's what we'll do so if you're on that right hand side give us another what two weeks to work and we will keep all of those comments to try to develop the best plan okay and then just really quick because I'm almost out of time um the in the early on presentation didn't we have

117some um some money for the music line like it was like there's music line in there and you talked about possibly being able to have that in some of those considerations and I don't know if it got taken out real early but if we could put like that 10,000 back in you know in the 3.5 I I would like to see that I I understand we'll look at it but we have balanced a lot for music as well I am also on the right hand side uh option three and four um I am actually not for taking more out of the de services like got a l absolute Resort um it makes me very very nervous to pull big chunks out of there um I am honestly leaning more towards option three um but on

118the right hand side Moren I think you're the last okay um I'm on the right hand side um 9.33 is unacceptable to me uh with inflation and the public having to spend on other things that number is too high for me so if it means that we can't have all the considerations I'll live with that um uh so I'm sure you'll work magic and things like that but 9.33 is unacceptable to me it has to be down lower than that um secondly I don't think we can use any more than you proposed out of reserves I think we made dangerous decision last year with using the money out of the tax ciari account and you alluded earlier that there's going to be a settlement and that money in that cersi account was for exactly the

119settlement so I don't think we can be using more money with those potentials into our future and I think we agree that's why we put the cross up because that's what we were hearing so just so they know the cross outs can you go to that slide these are off the table they're no longer a tool okay but there was a proposal that so I was so the only one we were considering more of was The Debt Service right all the other ones are we can explore project de service and see if there's room there but all of the reserves and F balance are off the table so basically you perform the task tonight between budget reductions tax levy it's pretty much right around the table option three option four and let's build the best

120possible option for the community consider if the community says yes we go one way if the community were to choose no we know the other way but right now you've given us the direction to build the best option for the 10 we're going to try to refine so a line will go across budget reductions at this point we are looking at a challenge we will update that with com troller and we I will check with the others we will probably be either the third or fourth district but you're going to see this and that's what it goes back to what I said is the 2% says challenging is a bad word it's the community that ultimately will say what they want and I think the community has said that in the past hopefully they continue

121to support the board's budget as it's developed you've given us the direction and that's what we needed for tonight so thank you and thank you for the focus on it Liz did you have a question I just want to point out that in the appendix is that tax levies side Katrina that shows the breakdown of the last couple years like it can keep going in the presentation um it's towards the bottom oh yeah oh these are all the slides we saved so that when we really have to talk about the whole thing at the last one this is what takes all the time but right yes can you say that again that's right here oh so it's in the append yes I was looking okay yeah the levy is 9.36 last year that was where

122we were last year under it currently at the 9.33 and I do believe will be lower than that uh it's just we've got to go through some more betting and need just a little bit more time but I hope the board has likeed how we shap this year's budget it does put a lot of it on you and decisions a little earlier but I think that's good uh it helps gives us Direction because honestly I would say we're pretty close to being there but Katie makes me say she we have to be here on the T so I think that's our next slide right the 10 see you on the 10 6 o' in here April 23rd is a regular meeting that is where we will bring it we will have our presentation but there

123would should not be any expected changes at that point and then our public hearing and the budget vote is prescribed ladies and gentlemen that's all we have so thank you so you have all dire yes thank you very much and app supp motion toj all in favor