HCSD BOE Budget Meeting 2-27-25

00127 and this is uh one of our um board budget development meetings and would you all please stand and honor American join me in recite the pledge I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America the repu for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all before I get into uh tonight's agenda items I just want to take one side road on Monday this week the Jim Garden Road was officially turned over to students and staff and and I hear it's been very exciting up at Garden Road I just wanted to share that with everyone all right secondly we have one Financial item for Action um so I need a motion for 2.02 Curiosities discussion comments I'm just wondering has there been changes to the r Ro

002construction or is it originally is the construction like it was originally presented when was uh there's always the what's presented in the boot is the overall concept what final designs come out go through vetting cost reductions or uh how you say value engine in but the intent of the scope is still there so is this the total amount for that project because on the last um time that we were updated it was saying that the project was going to be around 27 million and this is at 22 million so that was kind of a big difference between the two um when the when they were here in uh June no not June September okay if you go back to that slide of um the presentation it said somewhere it was it was 27 million and

003some yeah they had to at that point they were over budget they had to go back and do value engineering to bring it in line but without changing the scope and they did do that this these bids here Tony and Katie and can uh weigh in if they'd like these get all the base operation bids to do the complete construction project barring the alternates which we are not awarding tonight because of the fact that we have $300,000 under the estimated amount for base bid and we still have the high school that is going to be out to bid in the next month and alternates there and Alternate prices are good for up to 120 days so we're trying balance out both projects before we pick any key alternates be okay and then when I check

004the theb website on their allowance for what they have before that number did change in the system um from originally I think when I sent an email back in maybe October November maybe it was December of last year it was at like 24 million and now it's up to 25 million for what it says for the allotment um so so that's so the numbers to me are just kind of different and not really all quite there and that's part of the natural construction process number to flow but Katie um One Piece not incor doc these are the hard construction cost of the doing the work not Incorporated in these numbers are the incidental soft cost the architect man Insurance all those other that kind of work separately these are hard construction only pie together will

005total the full amount of project okay um and then I was looking um to do we ever do um do we ever do there's two ways you can a b you can do the lowest or you can also do the best deal so do we ever um put that out as as an option offering the bids we we as a public entity must take the lowest reasonable B if we disqualify them because maybe they get a bid but we know they haven't been able to perform someplace else then we can look at that but other than that we're Public Service okay and then is there any other place that we were doing the advertising for it besides the newspaper um we do if we can direct the questions up here please um thank you Katie

006we do according to the conu construction protocols with the newspaper but there's also within the construction uh industry avenues that these have to be posted on so we're obligated to make regular postings so that those contractors out there can look at we're happy that the vast majority of our work has ultimately been awarded to local biders but there's no guarantee that that's going to happen but in this situation I already you know some of the BS they're local and that's what we always try Tobe for if we can but we can't exclude somebody that is a little bit okay and then as far as um do we have we got like that basic the blanked sheet at the very end but I'm curious when do we get because this is you know 202 million wor

007the projects um do we have those bids available to be able to review because the statement um the um gentleman had said that if we had any questions we could ask him but the you know we only had a few days we just see that the very Baseline like these are the people who have won the bid but there's no real dive into what do you want to dive into um just being able to see what they bid on who else may be bid on and just to be able to see it you know what I mean I I don't know where you'd be going because the other people that were higher so no matter what we can't talk to right or like what exactly they were bidding on like what what was the scope

008of the whole you know the project like this is what you're putting out this is what they This Is How They bid on it to understand what it is so that way when we start looking at change orders we can say okay well this is what the initial project was this is what the cost was now we can see when we go through our change order logs this is a change in the cost so to be able to see that document as a whole for everything like the total package because I'm sure there is one just to be able to be provided that information not that we would necessarily well I mean I do kind of think that we should be able to review it in full if we wanted to before voting yes or

009no because this is a lot of money so that's where I'm wondering where that might be that's not normal operations okay so those my questions but I do appreciate those questions and I can tell you I was going to use the example like the general contractor um and then I'm going to use just sort of the high school cuz I was just talking about the general contractor for the high school maybe do all sight work that site work with parking lots Foundation this it gets into the technical drawings where everything isn't written out and if you're a late person you aren't even goinging to understand it uh and that's nothing against it it's just like I'm not a lay person in the construction industry but I'll still have trouble because m is not something that

010I deal with every day but they have an AIA contract that defines the scope into their documents which are sometimes five and 6 in thick of construction documents that lay out all of that and then that's what a construction man does is ensures that we get our project done it's like when we find something even if we're through construction if it was supposed to be built we have legal recourse and we will go get that just because sometimes things get missed um but the Avenue before us is what the construction manager said that we have complied with all legal laws if we are going forward with this process the bids that you can accept because they are the lowest reasonable bid and there's no reason to disqualify them and all other biders information doesn't matter

011but like you said going down the road should this be a change order and that's why you have the error that's why you have the Omission that's why you have owner request field condition and oopses U there are the errors too um but that's why the facility committee does that regularly there's a huge accountability to this and we must also have it all viewed by state so it's very much impossible for the board to because the board is unwilling to meet every day when there's an issue that's the hard part right I mean I'm just saying that um I mean like the documents ex so in the digital world the availability of it they're not in the digital world they're in a heart copy okay um and then um but this is also contention on

012if making sure that they get their Cal balance because I saw that at the bottom of this the bond making sure that they're bonded that was um yeah that's part of theing process that must produce it everyone is bonded yeah so so those people are already B it made it seem like they might not in'll be bed for the project yeah they must be because if we have a problem and they don't wish to correct it my determination is I'll call Bond and nobody wants their bond because that means they when their bonds called they can't do other work and so they're usually very helpful in trying to say let's figure out how to do it every now and then they want to fight but usually when you get down to that and you push

013the bond issue it sort of puts them into a harder position that's why they have to be serious bids to do work but we also have to have our construction manager bet them beforehand so that they can uh no matter what Ure that they are reliable bits and everyone that we have has been a bidder and has also worked on a project primarily before I have one more question yeah go ahead okay um I just wonder what this project adding it what will it do to the debt service line um you see it in our Deb service line now um so Ridge Road um Bor annually for what we need is for all project this is specific to but for any Capital project we do shortterm borrowing notes for the cash flow for that particular

014fiscal year and then that Bond will renew We'll add um any additional cash that will need for the next year's cash flow work um so The Debt Service will will grow until we've reach the amount authorized we can't overe expend a referendum amount um as well we apply for early a to get a as soon as possible we look to borrow only what we need in a in a in a fiscal year block of time so we're not overpaying interest in anyone anyone here okay thank you uh one more question to clarify so we have already borrowed the money for this project or we are going to be borrowing our borrowings in June so we do have cash on hand now for start a spring start time once you start moving people out so when

015we in June construction manager on the anti anticipation work for the school in place and make sure we have enough cash on hand that we Bor to get us through that's the CH just so everybody know getting ready to head for the competition so they just did a well they did a an open they were practicing with elra as well yeah and what happened is they were doing their end of the season ready for sectional state competition performance for all is that uh satday sorry don't okay so we haven't gotten we haven't borrowed completely everything that we need for this project yet so ultimately we will be adding to the debt service line a little bit when we approve this B absolutely you'll be adding and you'll also be getting St okay thank you you

016nice question thank you call a question all in favor I I opposed I'm opposed I don't want to add more to the debt service line and if it was possible to be able to have looked at this more in detail to try to bring it down in scope or to have tried to shift or change any plans to not continue to add to The Debt Service I believe that that would have been a better thing to do [Music] exensions all right now we move to section three um the budget development I don't know who's speaking first tonight so oh you're putting it on thank you ladies and G gentlemen uh the audience as well as our members of our board uh this is our preliminary budget overview which is our second meeting on the 2526

017budget for the Board of Education oh I know ACR the they're going to pull up a newer version make sure it doesn't across the F we know it's the new one if you are in yours just so that you know exit out of it if you're pulling up the new one and we'll walk through the refreshing which everybody knows that little round circle arrow thing when they tell us hit that and then go back into it and you'll have the Happ y EXC just okay and we're set you know what so as we stated this is the second of the preliminary budget overview we're taking a little different T at it uh the governor's proposal is out there and ladies and gentlemen it increased School a by $1.6 billion or 4.8% across the state Foundation

018a increased Statewide by $1.5 billion or 5.8 7% however the governor feels that we have too much money and we are targeted in the formul to only receive the bare minimum has no more than 2% I'm adding the all me this weekend uh as the superintendent gather to try to change that number usually that's the lowest number we'll see we're hoping that we'll see some changes between now and April 1st and that they have an budget because that will impact us we have again the minimum increase of 2% for all districts and we're one of the all districts that they target other districts have gotten 4 6 18% depending on their poverty your wealth index uh and your connectedness to Aly governor also has no proposed changes in ex driven Aid Universal schools meals they

019are working on to try to fully provide it even if the federal government backs away so we're hoping that they will do that otherwise that will be a potential impact uh they've ensured every District utilizes instructional best practices grounded in the science of reading our district has been doing that and working on it for the past 3 or four years as well as team Mental Health first aid training initiative which we also have uh tried to look into as best as possible but the big thing and it's not properly worded uh but this is what they're calling it distraction free learning environment standard which means the governor wants to ban cell phones in school between Bell to Bell at the morning and the afternoon this could have a major budget impact if she forces us

020to use certain lock devices uh but it's part of the budget so we don't know if it's going to make it through or if they'll give us the local control that's another thing we'll be talking about this weekend as well as our college and high school opportunity fund unfortunately we would probably a lot of times be a school that would not qualify for the assistance because of our free and reduced ladies and gentlemen we talked about state of school challenges districts continue to face first and foremost with the challenges is the community's desire we heard that last year services for educational and extracurricular excellence in ORS and another our community wants what we have and we know that and the board was courageous last year and the community came out and overwhelmingly supported make sure

021we take care of the school and what the district needs challenges District continues face is I'm going inflation pressures and health insurance costs you know that we talked about it last year we've even shown that we are not keeping up with the rate of inflation at the state level nor at the local level but the more if we would have always kept up to the rate of inflation we wouldn't be having very difficult budget discussions because we'd have almost an additional 122.4 million in our budget as of today now I imagine along the way if we did do that and kept up with inflation we probably would have had other things eating up that money but it still needs to be set we have not kept up and that causes our budget crisises we also

022have growing Staffing shortages not just here in coret we've actually weathered it as well as can be expected but school districts rural rural school districts have a very difficult time we are pushing them to keep the retirees able to earn more than the salary cap of $35,000 a year because they are filling needed areas especially across not just course but across the state here's one of the biggest things is continuing Rising bosies costs no matter what bothies doesn't go through a budget process like we do they set their budget and we have to meet it they don't get they get a vote of only the administrative Side by Boards and you either vote it through or you don't vote it through and if the majority of boards vot it through it passes automatically this is

023one of the major cost drivers over sever several years when I came in CTE was $99,000 10 years later it's almost 16,000 per student very good programs needed but we have to look because we have such a large dynamic of the bosies being across three full four full counties and the distance people that travel that we duplicate programs substantially from the west side to the east side to the central but that is something that we're going to have to deal with in addition we all know about the New York State Electric busing requirement hasn't changed fact that next year we must start ordering electric buses in next year's budget potentially we are hearing that there's going to be some movement on that that's going to be another major topic because honestly the electric uh grid

024cannot produce the amount of uh electricity and the stations that would need be needed in over 700 districts in the time frame and they've told Albany that Albany hopefully is going to come to their senses when they know that the state's mandate for electric vehicles is pushed out to 2045 and it's only if it's financially feasable for them but it's mandated for us in addition the challenges is a misnomer of the 2% tax cap legislation this is just a calculation and it doesn't mean you just go out at 2% it doesn't mean you can only raise 2% it just means that if you want to raise 2% you can do it or less at a 50% approval rate you saw last year you can go above it just like the age-old years when contingencies were

0254% austerity but you still only had 50% that's what changed is at 2% or below in the calculation you need 50% if you choose and your community chooses to say we want more or we want to support more there is no C that's why it's a misnomer but because it's been advertised that way everybody thinks it's a c last year you chose and the community chose this is what we want for horses and then also you've already heard me Governor Hook's proposed phone band that distraction free uh thing now there's a lot of emphasis and truth to it but as you go up in age some of those devices are also used for their work and then the last thing which is the unknown is the national political climate of state and federal funding uncertainty

026if our title funds go away they go away and programs that are connected with them might be mandated and we're going to have to offer them but we can't raise any more funds now we've been told and I will be heading uh with a legislative group to try to express that to the National level um but you have to remember everybody says the Department of Education is going away it may but before the Department of Education all those title funds and federal funds were just located in other avenues and that's what we're being told that if that happened they aren't going to get rid of idea they aren't going to get rid of Title 9 they aren't going to get rid of Title One title 4 but the uncertainty just never knows so it's raising

027a lot of anxiety so those are things we're paying attention to each and every day and advocating and trying to do the best for hes as well as for the board so that hopefully you don't have to experience it in addition this goes back to exactly what I said you're going to see this slide over and over because the community needs to understand the blue line is exactly that 2% cap inflation Factor it doesn't keep up with the rate of inflation the black line is the rate of inflation everything in pink is lost ability to stay up with current costs when schools have a defined amount of revenues because everybody says let's go out and get two revenues schools only really have two revenues federal and state and the state is state aid and local

028tax base so without keeping up with that rate you're always behind the apall that's just the local Revenue our taxes versus inflation and if we would have kept up with the rate of inflation our budget would have another $10.1 million of Revenue now people would be saying the tax are too high on the state side if the state would have just kept up and notice the last 2 years they're above the rate of inflation so last year that was like 3.7 so it's coming down the more this district is above the rate of inflation over the next several years the more you're going to change that Dynamic and put the district in a solid foundation of financial revenues coming in the less you do it as a board and a community the more financial Str

029stress you're going to experience because costs are not going down so the moral this story is if you would have just always kept up the rate of inflation say from 2000 all the way to 2020 the year of 2021 22 23 you probably could have trimmed away from it with no problem so we have to look at that long-term progression and that's what we're trying to say we said last year it was not a one-year fix and the board understood that it's not a 2-year fix either it's a m multiple year things and then there's Staffing realignments because we are very staff strong and that's fine we will try to always do that and we will do what the board sets as our guides and that's what today's meeting we sort of asked you for

030some things for this meeting we'll come back and talk about this but at the end we're going to need to have some discussions about what your thoughts are so that by the next meeting we start to get to finalize those thoughts so that we can try to prepare the final budget as soon as possible cuz that's what we were asked to do so with that the changes of the state funding and state that that's something that we always have to be aware of but the big thing is we proposed a tax levy increase That was supposed to have a tax rate increase last year of almost 68 cents per thousand of home value and it ended up just like we said being much lower how much lower almost a dollar lower which that's what our

031community wants is yes the taxes may go up because their assessments go up but that's because they're making equity in their properties and they're having to pay a little bit more but a little bit more in taxes will far under exceed how much theyve made in equity that's the real thing about taxes is we live in one of the more populous areas where people want to live we have the lowest tax rate we'll see that in future meetings so ladies and gentlemen that's sort of the opening what we have I'm going to ask Miss bti we'll all be up here to have some discussions as we go through but here goes sort of the updates with some of the things that youve asked for from last week and K all right good evening everyone I'm

032going to uh do a brief overview of what we talked about last week um I prepared what I told you I would regarding the debt and the breakdown of the aid um and then transportation and my gosh K student services will be presenting and then we'll open it back up to the board uh for the homework that we gave you last week and have some discussions on how we want to move forward so we're going to Dive Right into what my homework was uh this chart is a historical um reference of what our building ratios have been um this goes back to when we began referendum one uh so our ratio have stay pretty consistent um it is based on a very complex formula prescribed by the state uh for reference there's different datability periods

033depending on um Renovations additions for new buildings Al together um the A sprad out over different of time and Aid is eligible to be receive 18 months from the date of the commissioner's approval or submission of final cost report L which is where we have found ourselves in Prior projects submitting that early Aid start to get our Aid early um because we our projects didn't fit into that timeline to get the aid going so the state has a process that allows us to get our Aid without being those not really going to get into this one too much but this is some of the nuts and bolts of the building Aid calculation things like building Aid units are calculated on maximum construction cost allowance construction cost index Regional cost factors there's all sorts of things

034that are baked into uh what a building in calculation looks like uh this is exactly why the districts works very closely with fiscal advisers to find our way through all this our construction team to make sure we're maximizing all the e we can and given the parameters that um the state allows Aid so to break it down um from the number you see in the budget our building Aid that's currently budgeted is $9.2 million 5.8 of that comes from referendum 1 from the 2017 vote 2.3 comes from the referendum 2 vote from 2021 and we have a million dollar that we're receiving in Old cash projects we used to allocate money within the general fund move it to the capital fund for some smaller um capital projects such as playground boiler Replacements uh things of

035that nature that can be done with a smaller amount of money in a short period of time so those three pieces total the 9.4 that use um the state Budget Transportation Aid so this component relates to the transportation Aid that we get on our Capital expenditures which is the purchase of our buses the aid for the purchase of our buses is Incorporated in the full Transportation aid number it's not carved out separate but there is a separate calculation for it so again is a complex formula um it's eligible for Aid upon s and voter approval buses are aided over a a 5year period and Aid begins in the school year following the date of the purchase order we always make sure a purchase order in by December 31st so we get a full year of

036Aid in the following fiscal year again ratios have been fairly consistent in the in the low 7s range a couple years up in the mid 70s so as far as the calculation we're aided on those expenditures generally related to transporting students to from school to from both these programs and other approved shared programs within the district um also aols the operations of the transportation office um and the operation and maintenance of our buses things not aided our bus run for field trips and uh field trips and athletic trips and there's also a deduct calculation uh required every 3 years for um the non-disabled students that live within 1.5 five miles or less of the school attended so with that those a numbers are within the numbers we talked about a couple weeks ago as we

037know our St picture is um not the best sort of money coming in Foundation 8 we were limited to the governor's minimum 2% uh so half million do on our over $100 million budget and the others are expense driven AIDS which is a known we expected these to go down due to the reductions we made to uh those various areas this year uh being expensive and anything we paid this year is AED in the subsequent year the tax cap calculation this is the same as what we saw um last time I'll update to this at this time but again pointing out that that 2% there in the Highlight as Dr dou just referenced continues to be uh very much below the actual rate of deflation which limits our ability to raise fund so current calculation

038has us at an increase of $3.4 million or 7.12% but recall we have to incorporate for the comparison the $2 million we used in debt service so the increase is actually a little over a million in increased tax revenue you have to take that 2 million and add it up to that that 48 million you see in the tax lines so all told Revenue all sources of revenue we're looking at an increase of $1.4 million or 1.38% okay so the repeat that from last week um we summarized the sheet a little bit um to still have the information but uh simplify it a little bit so these were all the reductions we made for the 2425 budget and our efforts to close the gap in the areas of personnel technology grants who service Poes transportation

039facilities buildings and departments in the support center so these items specifically um all-inclusive was around a $2.4 million decrease that our our budget was reduced by uh just a reminder we had the conversation last year about are these reductions sustainable um some are sustainable for a little longer some are things were requesting um to be put back into the budget this year these are the um additions and reductions that have been made after the budget was adopted uh we found a need to uh add a social worker back to the high school uh increase our RTI supports uh the Huddle camera system The Soaring Eagles and the addition of the modified wrestling coach Flip Side reductions that were made after the budget was adopted the of the high school principal uh the the CC chair

040and the CIO administrator and the high school English teacher and to know those reductions did not impact the course of business adjustments we saw last time these are things that I look at every year that need to be adjusted by um some of the items that I referenced that were cut last year but not necessarily sustainable now that are in the budget now are items like the facilities truck that's that's um no longer going to pass inspection need to be in place um so we've identified those things that while they were cut last year they're kind of ha ed down this year so some of those items include that uh so consolidation adjustments uh reminder these are ones that I've already made in general fund budget so on the addition side we added uh two

041PE teachers so each of Elementary now has two PE teachers to meet state requirements we added um a PO of money for um unanticipated Equipment and supply needs um as we consolidate and and move folks and stuff around they will be things that come up that we finally need to to have a source the funds for and then some sort of signage once the Ridge Road crew moves to indry um how we're going to uh brand that building is this is this is rid Ro for this year so those additions total [Music] 178,000 reductions that we were able to make um again these did not impact livelihoods based on the current Staffing um vacancies and such that we have librarian art nurse attendance cler secretary um our school resource officer contract can go down um

042by one officer um the B room rental that's a revenue Source but that's going to go down for one year because we won't be able to house those uh classrooms that were at Center Street and uh the reduction of one Elementary Principle as we go from the four to three bil so one of the tasks the boards gave us was to take the considerations we presented last week and give our opinion on the priority and put some dollars to it uh so that's what this slide represents and I'll walk through each one again um as a refresher before we open it up later for for conversation so first on the list um is the fourth grade playet all three elementaries um it's sort of bank for our buck it's a it's a pretty nominal increase

043to the budget that 2300 represents the cost of the the pyos that would be needed to uh payer contract to add uh the ples at to other buildings um not fully vetted yet would be the cost of any startup supplies and things like that they would need to get the play off the ground um but important for consistency and culture to consider getting the play at all buildings uh the four primary level teaching assistance they were removed in the budget last year uh that was something we had been working toward for quite some time um is an additional academic support for some of our young students um these primary level teaching assistants did focus on the K1 students they were a full-time um full-time position 180 days serving all the kids K1 across the four

044buildings summer Learning Academy um was something um that we started several years ago using uh federal funds this was to help um reduce any summer regression that we saw in um um our students that were uh deemed to need those additional supports um in the areas of math and Al and that intensive additional support to get them started for the school year um these are students that needed that additional support but don't qualify for IEP or special ad um needs at that time given that this was funded by ARP we're at the point now where we need to decided this is a program that we want to continue if you want to continue it needs to come from the general fund now um we can build the program based around um the allocation that we

045determine we're comfortable and allocating for this program um so let K six we can consider K four we can continue you know what offerings were um initially rolled out when we had the ARP money uh bu monitors these were the two floating bus monitors that were reduced last year these monitors Flo uh um on our general education buses for supervision help with any behavioral issues um Works closely with the student behavor monitor to vote around replac we needed um to assist with um issues that might be occurring on a bus uh the assistant principles at three Elementary buildings um I spent some time last time going over some numbers um regarding the shift I'm going to reiterate some of that just as a refresher and and give a Mark labor of what what this job

046would entail um given it's a it's a it's large ticket number I we do recognize that but um the why is important so the going from four elementaries to three elementaries um on average the three elementaries student base will increase by approximately 120 students each so 480 students um between the three elementaries Serv in five grades elementary schools currently have one principal Intermediate School has 520 students with one principal one AP and one counselor serving two grades Middle School serving two grades 550 students one principal one AP and two counselors High School serving four grades 1100 students one principal two APS and five counselors in addition to the increased student base they're also going to see an increase in their B on average likely a 25% increase to their Staffing levels um that will be

047under their purview um including teachers teaching assistants Food Service cleaners social workers you know all positions that now are needed in those buildings to support um the students within the building um so some duties that the of principles can do very much as a principal can do that's that's the point is to have a a comparable colleag who can who can trly work with you um so there's a student management side there's a staff side there's a parent side right so student management obviously is um you know the academic supports the it's not always well the discipline but helping the decisions in crisis and things of that nature um the operational administrative side of the budget is also a large component of what uh the staff would do um there's informal daily Personnel coaching you

048know if you have a new teacher that needs some extra some exts the formal evaluation process of the APR building Logistics safety security um scheduling oversight of the main office what's going on with the clerical office grade level teaming uh 504s um all things of that nature including you know parent meetings phone calls dealing with displ issues as they arise in a timely manner so there's a lot on these principles plates um and we just want the board to be mindful of all the work that they do um with the increased student load they are about to receive ccum work um that took a large reduction out of the general fund um to the tune of $160,000 some of it was shed over to ARP uh to supplement for the year but that is now

049gone so we're looking to rebuild our curriculum Line work um within the general fund and this is the work that will continue to do um other the curriculum building that is necessary for our building um all the mtfs work thaton and team speak to last three presentations that's all part of the curriculum work uh so this code took a big hit um we put a range up there um I've been asked for um funds for this code understanding that 160 is likely a shot in the dark but we wanted the board to understand that that was how much we lost in that code musical instruments Replacements um there is currently an allocation now of $10,000 um few years ago that was bumped up to 20,000 uh so this would simply be a restoration to get

050back to they were prior but they do have $110,000 for the purchase of new instruments um our instructional tax that we uh purchase through both um these are the folks that work um with our teachers to um to implement the classroom technology and their use of it um in the education of the students uh we had A6 reduction in this service which equates to 3 days of lost time uh with our teachers with the service laptop carts uh these are the carts um that I'm sure if you've been in the buildings you've seen around this is where we um store and hold our laptops uh that's what they charge overnight um they mobile they can move to different classes um different locations um but this 50,000 would be to get the replacement cycle of those

051cars back on track so we don't see a big spike later when we have a larger um a larger replacement that's necessary uh the hockey the regional Boys Hockey and the field hockey um there's still quite a bit more vetting left to do on that um if this is something the board wishes to pursue um rough cost at this point for a team of 20 kids or so um regular season 50 to 80,000 somewhere in there but things not considered yet are post uh transportation for um going to um you know the where the ice time is going to be contracted with um a reminder those that this uned Transportation expenses um the trainer athletic trainer time and things like that so there's still a lot to um piece together with that one but that

052kind of gives you a flavor of what um isn't needs to be included work we still have left to do so as the board requested this is the order that um the administrative team we that down and U this is the order that we're recommending for discussion at this point we presented some items last time of things that we're thinking about needed some extra betting um anything with an X towards the bottom has been vetted um we're good for another year we don't need to think about those um the five remaining um is a review of special education needs uh Kelly will get into this a little bit more in detail but this is something we do every year um anticipate the needs of students uh coming in 2526 based on what we need um

053from the CSC recommendations uh we're going to do a review of our student intervention services um looking to uh see what realigning we need to do of those Services based on student needs uh the isms and the high school parking lot striping um with our new um C sometimes the bus flow um we do need to do some restriping in the parking lots for how the buses are going to queue up uh still obviously letting you know what that looks like and what the cost could be tennis court repairs uh we discussed that our tennis courts are in univ GC uh so we're looking at um uh repair at this point to solve the problem for now before we look at a full loan um annual project or something like that to rep the score

054uh the science kits versus um bring them in house versus bosies uh these are the kids that we purchase through bosis with all the I know various supplies and items needed to do different science projects um from a cost perspective um likely less to do it in house um but we have logistical issues as far as um replenishing these kits where we're going to store these kits um things like that so those are the ones we're continuing to pick around everything else we have and we're we're good for holding off another year so on the side um Part B of my homework is to break down the the debt service within the general fund budget so a reminder that debt service is exactly as your mortgage or your car loan it's your obligation of principal

055on interest interest for us is determined on the open market we sell our our bonds and our bands to the open market financial institutions put bids out on them for what they're willing to buy the floor at what interest rate and that determines how much um our interest get is so to Total what's in the budget now the $14.7 million you have our longterm Bond uh that we just issued with ding for referendum one our debt payment for that is 7.9 million referendum to we're still doing annual short-term notes to finance the project as it goes along a Debt Service is 5.2 million and just to you know balance it out the cash project while we for getting to Aid on it obviously there's no debt because we paid cash bus borrowings um we are

056in a 5year cycle uh so buses a bus Bond lasts 5 years so as one Bond matures the next one comes on and we continues we have five Bonds on the books so our total bus bar that is $1.5 million so between the two you have the 14.7 million that's reflected in general fund budget so no changes here at this point this is the budget as you saw it last week uh proposed at this point $106 million an increase of $38 million or 3.68% um no work um you know behind the scenes we gu no adjustments made for this point until we have our conversation tonight and then we'll we'll get to work on any adjustments Reserve vales I did out a want to clarify what I said last time that there are a couple

057reserves that will change between now and the end of the year eelr and the debt service will go down because their um funds aren pulled from them until the end of end of the fiscal year um also noted for the June 30th projection it does not include any accured interest that we're anticipating du to our investments one thing to out here is the capital reserve there has been some interest expressed um about exploring what it looks like to dissolve the capital reserve uh so we'll keep that in mind when we get to the board discussion that's something we'll have to talk about um if that's something the board does wish to do uh the proposition will have to be voted on by the board at a merch meeting in order to make it on the

058ballot so as it stand where we were last week uh we have the gap of the $2.3 million again inclusive this time of all the tools um that we've used at this point and just for comparison sake um I know we still have Gap um we still have a lot of work to do but compared to where we were at this time last year we started at $15 million as a gap if we back out these tools we're a little over 5 million so we're not we're making progress we knew this was going to be a multi-year solution but from where we were last where we are now we have game ground so we still have some more presentations ago but it's the second part of that slide that you have to look at because

059as Katie just mentioned we're doing the budget a little differently we've shown all the tools right now so that $2.3 million Gap has to come from somewhere and the tools are used so the only other measures that we have are on that right side hopefully like I said we'll get some additional Foundation uh if I know the state they will probably add something back I don't know how much uh the governor is not in the best situation right now the lieutenant governor is filed to run against her so they're going to be in a much better mood when we come this week saying hey really focus on this uh that usually education Aid does tend to be increased will we see a lot to close that g no maybe an additional percent at the most

060which would be about maybe $200,000 but that's in Good Year we just can't count it but that's one so there's not many others right we can use additional Reserve use we can use additional fund balance use to close that Gap we can also look at different types of budget reduction because this is still I go look it K and the team and my administrative team are not done yet we will continuously go through between now and the budget being settled and the board guidance to try to narrow that and get what the board is going to request for its budget to go before the voters because the voters ultimately it's their budget and then if they approve it that becomes the District administration budget and we enforce and so budget reductions we went through what

061they could be like in the worst situations last year we're staff strong we wanted to keep that if that's where the board wants to go those are the discussions we want to hear later tonight and then obviously that's the 2% that's what the state says we should be doing minimally every year but it's up to the board and the committee the board's communication to the public to see if they support that you also have one other tool what do you want for the education that you believe the community wants for their overall education the budget that they desire that might require a tax challenge the best part about that option in this District versus other districts and nobody likes to hear it is what I said earlier we have the lowest tax rate and consistently

062for the past decade we have lowered it almost every year and yes values have gone up but taxes have not gone up to where they would have been if we never lowered the tax rate so those are some things that get confusing but those are the tools that you have left so as we get through this and come back to the discussion piece probably have come back to this slide and ask you okay that priority list are you do you think something should be honor should something be off of it what's your value what do you value what don't you value we're just looking for guidance because we prepare the budget if you give us that guidance and if you give us the guidance on the tools that we are to use in the direction

063that you think is best for the future budget to close that Gap we can make that happen that's the what that's the board the how is the administration and we will do what he request us so that's where we're at right now with the preliminary Gap onto the show Jason no come on B transportation department is going over it small section and then I think also we have Miss Squires who will come up and sort of close out until we session thank you all very much again my name is Rich MAV the director transportation and I'm also joined today by Jason Johnson our assistant director of Transportation luckily there is not a lot of slides I should not be very long I hope right so so our overview of the transportation department and here's the

064summary we're looking at 4.3% increase our first line is salaries U I have another slide to show you on salary so I'm going to jump over that for a moment the next slide is equipment I'd like to kind of blump together equipment part supplies and operating cost because if you notice they're all Flatline u meaning that we're really not proposing any kind of increase from what we had budgeted last year but I do want to tell you though that that sounds good but you all know that there's coal increases there's inflation increases so why aren't we increasing these parts in supplies and I just want to share a little bit of that with you and the hurdles that we're at some things regarding parts and supplies I got just a couple of examples this is

065an amber light the amber light the Reds and yellows that are on the bus this is now turned into $107 Parts this has experienced a 20% increase over the past 2 years our redir our red lights um that are on our stop arms star arm is the stop sign that extends out onto a bus there's two on the front two on the back it is fairly simple LED light with some wiring that's all I'm showing you here this one's a little scary this these four little lights are are now $23 the past 3 years they've seen a 30% increase the past 5 years this little item has seen a 50% increase this is just small examples of everything that we're seeing I have other examples here but I promised you that I would try to

066keep things fairly short what we're trying to do and how we're maintaining this is we are now taking a Fleet of 74 buses and we're taking them from a diesel to an unlet gas so right now we are slowly each year when we're purchasing and that we'll talk about our bonding for new buses it's switching from diesel to unlet that gives us three advantages that gives us a potential savings um and I shouldn't really say savings um reduction of the cost of of fuel there's also the reduction of the increases in the purchase price of the buses as well as the requirements of less maintenance less items less Parts on the bus and just to give you one example uh to keep it short when you look at a diesel bus a diesel bus takes

06718 qus of oil by us moving from a diesel bus to an unlet bus unlet only takes 7 quarts of oil so even though the cost of oil is going up the amount we're using for a diesel is now reduced for an unlet it doesn't necessarily mean that we have a savings but what it is is that we're equalizing our usage to what the cola or what the cost or the percentage of inflation is and that's what helps us maintain that flat level another area on this and the next line on here is our fuel charge our fuel charge right now you'll need to know um is an estimated fuel charge we estimated that based on what we think um our number of gallons will be what you have to know is that we're waiting

068for some numbers from the bosis uh dcmo BS or the estate ogs usually by using going through either one of those two we get a uh quantity discount so we're getting a little less than what you would see at the pumps but the interesting thing is again to overemphasize we're going from diesel to unlet so if you look at what we actually used last year that is our unlet fuel and this is supposed to symbolize 100 118,000 gallons of unlet this is what we used last year our diesel last year is 55,000 G now remember before we started this process this all this was all diesel which is give or take about a doll more than unlet so now we're slowly moving it over which is a savings per gallon of a dollar but it

069does not necessarily lower that amount because the cost of gasoline is going up but it helps maintain the increase that we're seeing the other two items just to mentioned is with diesel you also need to have DF diesel exhaust fluid right now that's about 2,000 this is symbolizing try to by ratio what we have to put in diesel buses to help clean the exhaust for the environment of diesel please understand when it was all diesel fuel here here this jar would have been filled so ultimately we should need DF thef anymore when we eliminate all our diesels the other item also that Jason is very methodic on is kerosene if you're familiar ever seen is used in diesel for cold weather helps it burn helps it more efficient especially in the environment we have in

070here in New York again this jar was almost filled when it was all diesel fuel so there will be eventually a point in time where we won't need those anymore again that's not going to mean okay our 580 is going to drop down to 400,000 I'd love to see that but what it is hopefully will do is help us maintain a relatively solid budget number for you when inflation is costing everything to go up um so that pretty much walks us through all of that except for fuel reimbursement fuel reimbursement is other organizations that use our fuel pumps that pay us for um the unbled or for the diesel that's a possibility of Heights busing uses it all almost all the Departments of the village of horse heads and milport fire department so we also

071charge a small fee to all of those to go into a um fuel Island fund Jason is going to talk and address all that a little later on so that's just the quick overview of our department I did say we would get into uh our salary positions a little bit most of this is contractual most of this really um cannot be addressed except for through the contract process the one thing to mention is that there is going to be a future driver's contract so the driver INF fling monitor line anything regarding that contract has not been addressed yet so also what same thing as I mentioned with going from diesel to unlet it we have maintained a relatively low increase at this time petting the contract on the driver floating monitor line that's one of

072the major reasons for that if you can recall is last year we used we had 24 midday runs 24 runs that were taking children to other programs and services 180 days or close to 100 days out of the year because of our process of reducing the budget in our services the best we can for monetary savings we're down to 11 runs this year we went from 24 midday runs to 11 midday runs again that doesn't lower that number for us but it mitigates the increase that's what we try to do in many levels of the transportation department the other line that is very tough is the very last line just to give you a little bit of insight on that and a lot of that has to do with driver new driver training not only

073do we pay uh a minimal amount for trainees to learn how to get their CDL but also we have to pay trainers to train them one of the big things and I don't know if I've ever shared this with the board or not is the feds have taken over this process so the Federal Motor Carrier safety administration is now dictating to all 50 states what has to be done in order to train someone to be a commercial driver just very very briefly this is the FMCSA curriculum I can't skip this I can't cut Corners with this this would be a violation subject to an audit subject to a fine subject to me losing my job because you'll probably blow me out so we try to avoid this this requires almost a 6 week process that

074is very difficult for a brand new driver to cut to shorten up this is what has to be followed before they get their CDL that adds Manpower that adds time to that line it requires a certain amount of hours that they have to drive behind the wheel it requires a certain amount of classroom time that has to cover everything in here this is just to get them to have their CDF very briefly in order to then get them to be eligible to drive his students is all this curriculum in the essence of time I won't go through it all but it's state required they have to have pre service they have to have drug enforcement policy they have to have school bus driver instruction that can only be done by a certified State instructor and

075we have some of those on stack as well as 19a so all this before day one of driving a bus adds to driver training time and the trainers for it so that's what we're up against on that line moving on bus proposition very similar to what we proposed to pass 1.6 million that is a consistent number across the board as Katie had said if we can keep that number consistent the 5year rotation of the bonding can be relatively the same year over year rotating after 5 years hopefully making it a kind of a solid line we used to do that in city council when I work for almyra on the road programs so you complain about the roads in almyra and I did all the time but if that was a $4 million project for

0764 years that was a flatline budget across the board that was easy for the the business office we go with a 10-year rotation that's recommended by New York state so every year we're in the process of about seven buses eight buses give or take and that's um keeps them on on the road and keeps them at maximum usage the other quick thing to mention is because we're going to show you what the history is we mix that number up so as the cost of buses increase we mix it up with large buses with small buses we're now trying to um include micro Bird buses uh that's with the is the Ford Chassis the for chassis it's a smaller bus that maybe holds 20 to 24 students but when you're in outlining areas when you're in

077some communities they have dead end roads and I can't turn a bus around we're able to use these smaller buses they have a little bit of a lesser expense than a full-size bus but it still is able to meet our 10year rotation and it's still able to meet that one .6 million so I can keep that number salid this is our F purchase history we've changed this slide from the one that you may have seen last year the one that we saw last year was showing you an average price well sometimes with an average price that's a large bus versus a couple small buses sometimes the bonding would have included an SUV so it wasn't quite that the numbers were accurate accur but it wasn't the reflection of the actual bus itself so Jason went

078through did a lot of research going back to 2015 and took the actual cost of a typ c bus that is 65 passenger and what that number was obviously throughout the cost and time the costing of busing has increased you can see larger jumps over the past couple of years because of inflation after covid um also things have changed the cost of safety has changed we've been able to add some different components uh to a bus that maybe we didn't have years ago um but that's just kind of giving you the short little history of that um the last item that we have is an informational item regarding the fuel station um that Jason will kind of bring you up the speed of something that's going on it's not really a budget item so to

079speak but uh we wanted to use this time to inform you about it now J good evening everyone up a little bit uh so real quick I'm just going to touch base on one particular item and that is right now we're exploring the option of updating our fuel Island uh we have a reserve fund as Richard mentioned earlier that is to take care of fuel Island needs fuel tank repairs and things of that nature to make sure that we're efficient and we're able to fuel buses properly and on time um we are looking right now replacing a 6,000 gallon gas tank up to about a 9600 gallon gas tank um that will help us with cost because we can buy more at one time it's just like going to the grocery store when you can

080buy go to Sam's Club or you go wherever you buy more you can get for a much better discount so right now we are looking at that and we are also looking at changing some dispensers because obviously we talk about gas buses this is where we're at we have one dispenser right now for the gas buses and it's getting to be they're backing off constantly just because they're waiting for fuel so this process we're looking at pretty heavily just to kind of figure out what's our best uh direction to move forward that's about it any questions well before we question one quick comment don't take questions you haven't said anything but I just want to make you sure that I did not bring unlet in diesel fuel into okay so somebody challenged me I was

081going to open it up and actually drink it okay it's colored water based on on the uh on the likeness just to put your mind just especially those at home they say your transportation that's stupid they're going bring it in any questions we can answer for you sell you [Music] cars thank you go ahead so for the extra close to $20,000 in increase in bus this year A lot of times you told us we got extra things for it like one year you told me the breaking distance is dramatically decreased are we getting extra safety features this year for the increase in cost is it or is it all inflation some of it is inflation some of it is to add on to our speci special needs and our trip buses for air conditioning so

082they're not all getting air conditioning but some of them are because now this is something we could use for late spring summer trips as well as what we're seeing a little increase of is special leads on IEPs we're seeing that students need a controlled environment so again we're not seeing the whole Fleet doing that but that can be a little bit expensive for bus so every now and then we try to add that in and that's what we're seeing that's a big factor for this year alone that we probably couldn't do any every every year because I still need to maintain that 1.6 number for you okay thank you one one other thing Warren the other cost that's going to be associated with that is the car price so that's California air uh the EPA

083funding out there the EPA that they site out in California that continues to raise every year so it doesn't matter if it's a gas bus diesel bus propane bus the prices are constantly going up on that because they have to meet to new regulations for any engine and that goes as well for your local cars your pickup trucks and things of that nature so those prices are constantly going up that's why you see Vehicles the lot continually going up thank you if I can add just so the board understands the proposition includes no electrification of vehicles we are not at that point anything else um so one thank you very much I I love when you come to board meetings I love you always have sh um so so thank you for that but I

084I just want to um just just thank you for the work that you're doing to reduce complexity um you know reduce the the amount of materials that you're using in order to minimize the impact that we can see on the cost increase right so you know that that leveling out that you worked really hard to do is is really appreciated because if not we would be see huge um cost increase so thank you much I think that's that's great work thank I would I would agree with um Christine and uh I found it very interesting to see how we're trying to defray cost I'm just curious do you feel like in the transition from diesel to unlet gasoline there's any disadvantage are we giving up something in terms of performance or some other aspect of

085why we were diesel in the first place I I'm going to answer a little bit than Jason can try in there was a time a long time ago that really they felt diesel buses were more safe than unle now there's been so much advancement in the industry and bluebird and we've been able to go to their their facility uh not taxpayer expense and see how it's being produced so now an UNL buses is is much more Savor than it was in the long time um I think you might have us a slight uh difference in the miles miles per gallon it's not significant anything else you want to add from the diesel drum I think the biggest thing is is uh it's also reliable there's more reliability factor to the gasoline less breakdowns uh basically

086the bus is the same thing except for the engine transmission really that's the only thing that is different the safety features are all still there everything is basically the bus is just the engine performance is just a little different the drivers like it it's quieter you can hear the kids a little bit better uh you can see everything the safety again is constantly there and improving day to day okay that's great uh and then as a followup just Jason the two items you mentioned for the fuel Island that you're considering make perfect sense for the reasons you identifi I'm just with if those were to go forward would those be covered by The Reserve you talked about or is that sort of an additional budget item that you're cont it should be um we would

087have to do some more betting uh but we believe it should be covered by what we have in the funds okay and that was the purpose of the funds thank you and also small note that those funds will continue to rise because we're still charging a nominal fee to all the outside vendors that come in yeah so okay thanks yes I sorry um py backing off the Island when and if big if we have to go to electric buses it won't be a quick transition so this will be a sustainable investment to increase in that amount right yes that I mean no matter what you have to understand if the state doesn't do something and our voters have said they will not approve the buses it will either be sustainable for the buses that we

088have in our Fleet for as long as we can purchase them up until the point that we will have to tell the state what are we supposed to do tell our families they don't get rides to school and that is what we would have to do but we'd still need Vehicles we'd still need gas we'd still need fuel the other real quick thing I wanted to add to that I didn't add earlier the tank structur that we have now are about 24 years old so the systems have been taking care of I do monthly Audits and inspections on the tank systems we've done a lot over the years 10 plus years I've been here to make sure that we get them as long life cycle as we can but uh there's just certain things the

089company is out of business that we bought the thingss from about 24 years ago so that is it's a little bit harder to do that but again we try to keep up with our prev maintenance as we do with our buses and anything in transportation to make the cycle of as long as possible yes um Do You See will the heights still get gas from us when they move no they will be totally self-sufficient at that point okay yeah so right now they they really uh they are on the diesel side of this so the gasoline won't affect us at all on the purchasing of the gasoline they're all diesel uh they do gas that's for their mowers and things of that next question y you going to the gasoline actually yes it's a um

090a number that is Raising every year there's actually districts moving to that um they're going from propane to gas they're going from diesel to gas a lot of them are seeing the profits and not just the profits but the savings and cost associated with transportation that there a lot of them removing it's actually the number one sell in the United States right now thank you for your presentation thank you um I'll second third what everyone said about the fund of the presentation showing how um very insightful you mentioned 74 buses I think we have in the fleet is that correct 74 buses actually 72 are yellow buses two are blue buses that we use for uh band and other sports activities and how many of the 74 had already been transitioned from diesel to gas

091or a we are about 3/4 of the fleet right now that have switch to gas thank you um okay the next question okay so what is the lifespan of the bus you said 10 years is that what you try to keep it in the fleet for we try to continue to keep them at a 10year rotation uh thankful to New York State salt and things of that nature that's what most of the districts in the state go to a 10year cycle on them and then are we able to then take them to auction or do something with that at that time we y after 10 years we put them on a auction site and we auction them so for those that are coming off at are diesel are we seeing less of a return on

092them now that everyone's trying to transition back to a no um actually it's quite funny because a lot of our buses they go to Mexico Honduras they go overseas okay so they loaded on containers and mostly other countries bues can I add on to that that that Jason is not going to bat himself on the back for these buses are very very good shape for a Mexico country to use during that 10e cycle and one quick example we have a 5year exterior warranty when we buy these through blueberg and I think I put this in one of your board reports a couple weeks ago he has blueberg come in a little after year four they survey all those buses that are are U eligible there's a small little rust he makes blueberg take that bus

093repair that rust so you might have that little rust on your car and say no big deal I'll keep on going but in a 10year span that would be huge and that also affects the sale here he goes ahead and he puts it under the warranty he gets it repaired at no cost to us making that a better safer bus for us and then ultimately adding in the long term for the resale well thank you for sharing that and thank you for doing that that's fantastic um you also mentioned that it's a six week faster time with some drive time for those that are working to get their CDL what is the duration for someone that's from H to the time they might be on their own route if you're six weeks just in classroom

094time with that one manual you showed us plus drive time and then you have all those other additional manuals so what what do that total duration look like what we're trying to do is first of all under the federal mandate to get your permit you have to be certified by someone on the National Registry so there's at least two additional weeks during the permit process we've gone ahead and listed us on the national register there's two there's two ways you can register one for just self-employment and want to contract out ours is just for self-employment so we can't do anybody else but our hire so that's a twoe process onto that so now your six weeks is to eight weeks from day one just to get through the the DMV what we have tried to

095do is during that 6 week process we add the training so instead of them doing four hours a day during that 6 weeks because we're trying to handle our shortage we're making it a 6-hour day so we're trying to get some of these other requirements in the best we can usually you're looking at another week on top of it to handle all the other regulatory Loose Ends so you're looking at uh nine weeks okay thank you Miss Monahan if I can just and then I'll get right to miss Corvett um one of the things you asked a good question about that 10year cycle and so forth and return on investment sort of as EV comes into play depending on what happens in the next two years we may not be able to sell those buses

096because if they say we can no longer purchase which is part of the law we will have to keep our buses as long as possible until they either work it out or the community is gracious enough to say we're going to purchase the buses so it's something that we have to keep an eye on and sort of pay attention to so that's a very good point so thank you um I just want to reiterate what has been said thank you for the presentation I'm sitting here and I'm thinking if I was observing one of my student teachers they would be getting an A plus orual Aid and you certainly through your talk and your visual aids you've addressed the auditory learner and the visual learner and I'm a visual learner so I think that's great

097thank you both thank you okay so um talking about the Julie asked a couple of my questions that I had about rotation with the um gas and how many how many gas buses we have so how many buses do we plan to sell this year we are looking to sell possibly seven to replace that cycle but given the years we've got there's a couple we' buses seven buses six buses so it all depends on what we see where our Fleet can be for the following year we always look and try to figure numbers out we try to see where we're going to be for the following year so we try to replace it that 10 year we replace all of that 10 years old okay and then in what year is it supposed to happen

098that we have to change to only purchasing electric classes 26 27 right right now the legislation says 2027 is you can only purchase but you can have zero emission by the time you hit 20 35 your whole Fleet as the law states right now your whole Fleet for people Transportation would have to be including SUVs or days yeah and if I can add one other piece to that because this is the this is the fallacy that's out there right now and I'm just trying to get Clos to the microphone um the bus companies are now on quota in New York state they must sell one EV vehicle for every eight diesel or gas each year it goes up so that means they have limited Supply and what happens is those bus prices are about to

099go Skyhigh once they start uh the 267 year because they're being told they may not be able to sell in New York that's why this year in the legislative agenda and next year our elected leaders need to act otherwise we will not be able to start purchase on a diesel or gas bus starting in next year's budget cycle so the question that you asked which was very good about how we sell and try to bring down the money cost of what we're purchasing we can continue that this year but next year we will not be selling anything if they do not shift because we're going to need the extra buses just to throw out a quick number to take all everything that we're looking at doing right now on a bus on a not on

100a zero emission bus looking at that price would cost us $480,000 in a typ C Electric bus so you're looking at over double right now when we've looked to try to compare apples to apples in case the question came up okay and then if we were redoing or replacing the fuel Reserve we would still just end up having to keep that as a as a fuel station long term but we haven't really actually looked at like what it would be to have to redesign and put in like the because we didn't do the electric study to find out where we would put things or how we would shift things when we do have to add or do you have an idea of if we had to no no idea of where you would put one

101charger for one bus I know Johnson City has one bus and I don't I know it doesn't work very well for them but um so that's that's what I was curious about too um and then I was trying to look up I'm assuming the um Reserve fund for that would be in the treasures report for what the fuel Island Reserve is at I was just curious what that number was 165,000 oh it's 165,000 so it's not an overly huge expense then to have to replace the whole fuel station okay um so yeah I guess I I'm just curious how much do we get back do you know how much we get back when we sell these buses this year or do you think maybe we should just try to keep them so it is an

102auction price uh we put them out to bit goes around the country averaging usually between I mean it all depends on the buyers so we can get everywhere from8 to $20,000 bus um and that is a 10year bus uh with high mileage so it's a give and take year I mean it could be low one year depends who the bit I mean unfortunately it depends who's in the market that day when our buses come up right well for it just being a two-year cycle I'm just curious if we should begin the hoting process now of regular processes that's the only thing that I'm curious about since it's kind of no I mean I I look at I said for this year we're still probably in a safe area because we can purchase buses right now

103and get our new buses out but really it's next year that becomes more critical I'm hoping to have a little better ideal in the next week because I sit on a committee and I get called often to go talk about it at the state level uh Phil Pomano has been very good at at giving us information they do seem to think there's going to be movement on it I believe it's going to be feathered out they're not going away from it we've been told but they've already started making that these buses when we purchase them we would have to do them over a 12year bonding cycle when we're all set for 10 which means the buses will be out of service and we still have to pay for them in 2 years the state recognized

104that and brought them back to a 10-year bonding cycle last year so they are listening it's just just everybody right now is sort of in a quandry and this is something that the state said they're going to pay for this is a multi-billion doll mandate by the state estimated at over7 half to10 billion you asked the question about the school we already know that if you had to replace every single bus just the buses right five say $500,000 the bus right you're talking 28 $30 million just just the buses then the infastructure then the capital Improvement the one thing they don't know is we have to actually build a power station on the property from nce but we have to pay for it all and that's multi-million I mean our initial estimates for the full

105implementation is somewhere around $250 to $300 million our community is not going to do that so either the state does it and that's that's the rub right now at the state level they know this and we've been able to put into the state level our exit polling for the past 3 years 60% of the people that vote that do do the exit polls know about this mandate but when they asked if they'd pass it 63% said hell no we're not going to pass it i' I've said that to them and they are asking us why aren't we moving forward as a superintendent I have to tell them it's it's futile you can't ask somebody that's going to vote it down to put up the money so that's they're starting to get that from more and

106more especially Upstate districts so it's really I mean it's a waiting game and it's really they're playing a game of chicken to see who's going to blink our natural BL think is our voters will vote no so you're going to tell them we can't use a bus so that's what we're trying to do and I think reselling the buses at this point is okay but next year we really have to look at it if something changes this year we would still have to look at it for this year this point and to answer your question about existing busing we would just need to have a conversation the later dat one little example we use stainless steel exhaust systems in our bus that has a lifespan of 10 years so we don't have to replace that

107due to rust bad weather cold weather so on the longer we keep that bus the more we'll have to talk about things maintenance supply items that we have to do to that bus over 10 years that we don't do now can that be done as superintendent said definitely so it would just be having a conversation so you aware if those items came up at a later that's all right and you're saying um you can't buy more than seven buses this year without purchasing an electric vehicle bus oh no I'm saying that the manufacturers can't sell but equal ratios now we could buy 20 of them if if the manufacturer will sell it this year to us they could be all gas buses right but sooner or later their quota they're going to run out and

108they won't be able to sell more unless they sell and a certain ratio of electric vehicles so that part's on them right now but as it shifts to next year when it's supposed to be 100% they officially right now by law cannot sell us a diesel or gas bus that's the rub and they're trying to fight to get it changed too because you know what there's a question can we go over to Pennsylvania and ask them to if we can buy them see there's all these arguments and legal challenges that are well I mean that's why I just wonder if we're looking overall at our budget as a whole and even though we typically only take out the $1.6 million and the bond if it would be a wiser choice because it's going to save

109us money to be able to have transportation to purchase more buses and what we would normally purchase since we're getting close to the end of that cycle um and or looking at really um knowing all the expenses of because we're going to be you don't have in this presentation but I'm sure with the busing and the hours and the shifting of the times that that might be increasing overall or because Katie the last time at the last meeting had said that you didn't know because the bids people still have to bid on their runs so you don't know what it might be costing us with the new times that we have as far as the bus schedule goes like what that might look like in an increase to the budget well let me update you

110on that because you're going into another area that's not budgeted for but the new Transportation fits within our busing Fleet already right we don't need other cost we don't have that cost but it does fit within the fleet but yeah so what I'm saying is so I think that it would be a wise choice to look at what it would be if we have to take money out of constr you know the construction project to make sure that we have busing no you more bus Katrina you can't take it out of the construction project you can ask right I'm talking about taking it out like we have the reserve fund yes voting on that yes that's what I'm talking about so I'm saying to look we're going to have to have the busing and electric

111busing is going to be very very expensive so looking more long term would it be wiser because we're down to about 2 years to buy a couple of more buses now than later that's my thought if the board would like us to increase that number that is a decision we will entertain but this is our best recommendation as administrative team following the requirements of New York State I don't disagree with your position at all because I know there's other districts that are getting ready to do that but that is 100% additional tax on the tax base what you're recommending right I I understand that it is a strategy and I am not familiar with any districts that have done doesn't mean they can't still do it um but it is it is a strategy I

112just want to add one thing and then I'm good but I just want to make sure you guys understand this so doesn't matter if we go through electric whatever the state mandates however this works I just want you to know in the last 5 years six years since this mandate has been put on us we have spent extra time extra things we're looking at everything all my crew on the shop are looking at things saying instead of that well we're going to get to the 10e cycle we're trying to do everything we can to be ready for this last thing I want to have this is behind the aball so when we're looking at maintaining things I'm not looking well we're going to get to the 10e mark then we can get rid of them

113I'm trying to do everything I can within the budget guidelines to make sure that these buses as they already are now but if we ever have to make that choice if you the board or superintendent wants to say okay this is what we've got to do but we are prepared for this so with going to that gasoline has given us the opportunity to make sure putting all ours in the basket make sure that if we decide to keep them whatever we have to do we can make it work thank you guys you did a great job any other questions for anyone just want the record to reflect ours was a relatively short presentation session thank you all very much tell you're up you're I don't have toys like you have I'm sorry to good evening

114everybody okay so I'm going to give you an overview of the student services department uh budget the first slide said SL special education some people may know us as special education but student services is much larger than just special education teachers and ta we have a very large and robust Department that Services students across the seven buildings um and a little bit different approach to the way we're going to speak about the budget uh for student services than I have in past years is just to give you a little bit more insight into the numbers that we're reviewing and how we come up with the numbers with regards to how we plan for students um student service is a little different in that we are driven by student need uh and so we do our

115best when we're looking at the numbers for our students for the cost to educate a student equipment they need supplies that we may need but it's not an exact science like we would like to think budgeting is um we have surprises that come in and they're a wonderful surprise in the form of a student but sometimes that comes with additional costs of equipment that we were anticipating um you know sometimes students come in and they we have 12 students in a class that Lot 12 and then we have3 student which could mean we need to add or open another classroom um so when we make these predictions of what's going to happen in our next school year um for us keep in mind that when we do that we are looking at the students that

116we currently have now making our best educated recommendation on where we think they will be next year with regards to placements but we also take a look at that four or five year trend of you know the number of students that we have that are fitting across various programs um and we talked a little bit about over the past couple years um and it's been referenced in other you know budget pieces that our B budget is going up and part of that is part and partial to our needs to uh leverage because we have kids that more have more intense needs than we've had in the past the face of our community in general has just changed a bit um and not just in hsees and not just in New York the community in general

117has changed and our needs have changed um and we have more intense needs that in the past um so that um means that we have to lean into OC a little bit more than we have in the past to get uh our students services that meet their needs when they're that significant in nature um so sometimes we're looking at budget items uh that are have to when we come to you and say we need to add another teacher versus saying we'd like to consider adding another teacher it depends on what comes into making recommendations um so just a little bit different than what you may see in other um budget recommendations I think the other piece I just want to touch which what rich said just you got some context again for students that have

118disabilities um when you're purchasing buses that need air conditioning you know right as a kid why do particular students need air conditioning out of us there are disabilities that don't allow students to regulate their temperature in their bodies and when that happens in their body reaches a temperature at a certain level becomes critical for them and it becomes an emergency a medical emergency um it's becoming more common and I'm not quite sure why but when he referenced the fact that we may need bus with air conditioning is because we have students that have a medical necessity to have air conditioning in order to be healthy and safe um so uh on to the numbers having said what's behind some of the numbers that I'm going to present um I'm going to start with the bottom

119first uh just to talk a little bit about the overall increase of the budget um when we talk about our budget for the 2526 school year we have a 5.82% increase overall um and last year when we presented our budget we had 99.54% so we really have worked hard with the over budget process even though there's some unpredictability um to really take a look at what we need uh versus what we think we may want um and we have done some of the same things that he had referenced earlier some of the things that we've pulled back on we have some concerns about sustainability on um so in the short term you know we can pull back some things such as professional learning we can pull back on conferences we can take on more job

120duties to ensure that you know we're meeting the needs of what is happening for our department but longterm wise there will come a point where we're going to have to talk about sustainability for that so um salaries that we have uh I will get into more depth in the next slide as we go into each uh area that's covered in our department um all of what you'll see with regards to salary is our contractual uh obligations we haven't added any staff but I'll talk about that when we go line by line we have kept our equipment uh flat as I said we've seen some increases with equipment that we need to purchase such as an FM system for student um or we have had students that need an enlarged visual monitor uh in their classrooms

121but we have tried to temper that with looking at a replacement cycle and um repairs as opposed to purchasing new and so we've become diligent at looking what those warranties are and ensuring that if something needs to be repaired we get that done ahead of the warranty rather than waiting for something to break so we have kept that flat at this point um the contractual Inc conference line is gone up about $10,000 that has to do with trainings that we have that will be coming up um for new staff so new staff orientation for two School nurses that we have um we also have a program in our department and it actually services now uh any teacher you know across the district which is TCI training that has to do with deescalation and then at

122the end point unfortunate if a student has to be restrained if there is an end piece of restraint training but a majority of that has to do with the escalation and relationship preparing with a students so um we have two trainers on staff every two years those trainers have to get recertified um and we have some trainers that are choosing to step away um so need to get them through that process of uh train and trainer um and supplies have actually gone down a little bit again that's part in parcel to the work that we did last year with regards to just really trying to maintain what we may need within our staff and our students um the tuition that comes out of the student services budget has to do with students who are horse

123heads residents who attend private schools so we are responsible for their special education services when they intend when they atttend a non-public or a charter school and there's two typically that our kids would go to which would be new rots or the fin Academy but then there are other the other private schools in our uh District as well um and that remains relatively flat if not goes down actually $1,500 so you know as I said the increase on our budget overall is 5.2% which totals about $700,000 okay a little bit more detail about the salaries within our uh department so I had said that we um have had some shifts in our department with regards to staff uh and sustainability we had 6.4 administrators in our office so that includes administrators or 6.4 staff which

124includes administrators and clerical over the course of the past year we have proudly had a couple of our staff members go on to director positions in other districts so um you we're very proud of that but in the course of that we've looked at how we're running our office to see if we can help support budget weaknesses or gain some efficiencies um we had uh Sean mcdna who was doing both CIO DS and CSC D last year and he was covered in Tony's budget um has moved over fully into our department um so of the two people that left we replaced one fully and then we only replaced 6 of one with Shan so the other4 of that person that left I took on so instead of having 6.4 staff we now have six so

125um you know again something that we can do right now and our having three new people in the office and us you know recalibrating and ensuring that we have consistencies across the district so there areef to it but long longterm sustainability is going to be difficult those are big jobs that are technical with regards to ensuring that we are upholding to all the state regulations for our students so that would be one area that I would say has capacity right now but not sustainability um teachers we have 40 teachers currently we reduced two uh from last year to this year we had a high school position that we could not fill so we took a look at the trends again of students that we had over the course of four or five years coming from

126middle up to high school um and determined that we would be okay this year without filling that position so we didn't fill that position we looked again for this 25 26 school year and we're going to maintain with what we have this year we also had a classroom at the middle school we had two 1211 classrooms and looking at the numbers we were able to maintain with one this year we'll be able to do that again next year but there is a large bubble of kids coming up behind them um the face of our communities changed it happens you know at some flows and we happen to have a population of highing students that have been growing in the elementary now coming into the Intermediate Middle so in subsequent years we may need that classroom

127again but we have um appropriate Staffing right now unless a student happens um teaching assistance as and flows every year and throughout the year um based on the needs of the students U these are not the classroom Tas that Katie is talking about um in the budget earlier these are specific to special ed classrooms and to students uh that may have oneon-one so you know as students come in as um their needs dictate that can go up and down um occupational therapists and physical therapists we have five so that is the same as we had had last year and we are budgeting for the same number this year any increase you see is contractually obligated for us uh same with the school psychologists we had eight last year we this year excuse me we would

128uh maintain eight for the next school year again any increases the contractual obligation uh student school health services those are RN our LPN and our nurse practitioner we went from 20 down to 15 so over the course of the past couple years um Kristen has been working diligently with our staff and our principes really to take a look at how we're using in particular our LPNs um we saw an increased need for health services and then Co happened so each of the buildings has an LPN which has allowed us nicely to be able to take a look at that healthcare provider to provide service for the whole building so instead of hiring a one to one LPN for a student that may have an increased because are as busy in the office for the entire

129building we now have two people you know that can provide and manage services so there is definitely not as often a need for that one: one um we actually don't have any one to one lanss in the district right now so um you know collect at effer on the buildings and the student health services uh part as Kristen has really done a nice job of training and getting consistent practices in place and really looking at how we're looking at the needs of our student body with regards to their health needs um so uh that's actually decrease because we have less uh LPS the uh Speech therapists maintaining the same this year as next year so that that is all a contractual obligation we using increase budgeted for next year uh and then the same for

130the Social Work Social Work assistance we're maintaining the same amount in next year's budget and what you see is a contra obligation for them um so the overall our budget is when you look at positions increasing around 400,000 excuse me $310,000 all primarily due to contal for us that's all I did you guys have questions for me I have question I just want to make sure I think I heard you correctly but the spe increase of $76,000 is all contractual and the number is not increasing even the number the same correct I just have to maybe they're very specific questions um how many of our staff members go through that um deescalation training um is it teachers is it everybody how who gets access to that because it sounds like a delightful thing yeah that's

131a good question it is not required and we have various iterations of that training so the training to get initially certified as a 4-day training for full days um and so I don't have an exact number for you I can get that for you for next time um but then we also have various iterations of that training every six months they go one day of training for recertification and then we have our trainers that come for an hour training or a couple hour trainings at the requests of the building to really just talk about that deescalation and relationship building piece um so we talk specifically about how many are certified right now in the district I can get that for you but there are many more than that that have had access to those strategies

132awesome um and then with the Bose's line does that include um our for lack of a better word outsourced um practitioners so like our teacher visually impaired teacher at the heart of hearing services thank I knew there was better word thank you we had Kina then here okay um so when you were talking about like sustainability and how this is like you're working really hard to cut and be mindful because last year you had an increase of 9% or a little over 9% um so I was wondering like when you're looking at the OT and the PT um or like the social workers and you're you're holding study at that line do you feel like there really is more of a need and that it would benefit children greatly if we could see increases to

133this number like if you had a dream sure what what would that number really be and what would it really look like because you know when everybody's coming up here and they're all doing their part to try to chip away and save save the money I kind of feel like it's hard to put all the pieces together and I think that it would be really beneficial to be able to say you know what we need 20 people or 40 people or however many people to help really give the needs and this is how much we really need in this area and maybe start thinking you know we got to start thinking I think as everything as a whole so that's I want I would like to know what your dreams are I Rise to your

134challenge so um I have to say over the course of the past five or six years since I've been the director the district has been extremely supportive about when we say we need to add a position and here's why or we had a position in bosies but that was only 4 days a week and if we bring it back in the district we have them 5 days a week and we either cost control or save money so we had those over the past four or five years and um have never had felt like we are not supported in what our needs are I actually think where we are could we always use more of course that would be you know a dream I don't have a number to what more could be I think we're

135in a good spot right now not only can we manage what we have with regards to what's on an IP or a 504 as we work towards that system of mtss we have talked about um really really looking at how we're providing Services you know is a school setting the right place to see a student one to one or should we be talking about seeing hising groups because that's what they're going to be doing the rest of their lives they're going to be working in small groups they're going to be a classroom we're going to set them out into the workplace one day or into their social lives people so when we think about sustainability and capacity uh when we have therapist that's seeing one for four sessions that's four kids that they see if

136they see three or four kids let's say they see three kids because that's a manageable group that's 12 kids they see in those four sessions so it increases the number of kids they see but there's a reason behind that and there's a good reason for why we're developing and taking a look at serviceing kids in group as opposed to individual we're also working towards preventative approaches so my hope is is we build with ntss and we have I think a good capacity to do with that with all of our related service providers be able to P speech social workers School psychologists um we use everybody that we can um we would like to start pushing into the classrooms to start to either catch things before they get to a point where they could rise to

137the level of a disability or some preventative measures and not only that really to look at the students and their skills and abilities in that natural with their fears that typifies that we're all different and that's okay you know we could sit in a group of kids um you know as a former speech therapist I could pull a group of four kids they could afford different goals and that was fine and they wouldn't necessarily even know each other was different I would love that in a general education classroom where you're sitting down in a small group When teacher got a center and you as the speech therapist are pushing in and working on various skills but then you have a general education student that needs extension and because language development is your area of expertise

138you can do that as well so um we have enough right now to meet the needs of the students that we have on our I and 504s but there is also capacity in there to push in to impact a greater number of kids very similar to what we were speaking about with the LPN when we think about how we're going to work with our students and how we impact our student body to the best of our ability I I think of it very similarly and I appreciate your question I I think we're good where we are right now thank you very much here I have a question on your TCI training so I I realize and appreciate how important training is being a trainer myself right so I I get it um but my question

139is are we sending groups of people to the trainings or are we doing a train the trainer who's coming back to us and turn key which I would think would be much more reasonable in price option number two we are sending two people to train the trainer and then training our own staff perfect that's my question thanks okay on to your part um couple things first um again the process change typically as departments have presented their own budget considerations you have the opportunity to ask them l in the moment about the things recing in their Department um I kind of hijacked that I talked about them all myself um but I'm actually not the expert in all the areas that they work in they have the base level knowledge so the team is here um

140as you typically would if you have questions with them the considerations um if you need more information yes I get to go first okay I I have I am so excited I have notes um I actually do have a number of questions so Warren if I go over my time like please let me know I'm going to try to be really quick um um but question about assistant principal and bringing those on in the elementary schools right um absolutely understand the need I'm wondering if there's been conversation surrounding utilization of an assistant principle versus uh a de of students concept just because assistant principles tend to be more PD and curriculum based versus uh de of students being more student student based behavioral based um and managing you know scenarios or student support yes that's

141a good question the DEA students is not in administrative position so they will not be able to add assistance to all the M factors we have school psychologist School social workers that sort of Quasi assist our principles at this time because the DEA students is in the teachers contract it's not necessar plausible way to do all the things that ktie listed and address any professional administrator is also going to be very stent Cent so that's why we would have to go that way because we can't utilize the students in administ right I realize that and and so in in saying that it brings up you know there's less of a cost because credentialing isn't there less of a cost in a way hold on Tony I know what you're going to say as far as

142salary is but then there's also the aspect of doing evaluations for you know for our teachers and what that means for our team so my my question also being is hores currently using um the coaster through bosis to help with evaluations if we are are we looking at we're not using that okay um so that that's one question and would we consider that if it was cost effective to bring in a de of students in addition to utilizing the coer if that was less than an assistant principle just so they know I think knowing the cost fora students it's going to be a veteran teacher a lot of the veteran teachers that would apply are going to be making more than most stting assistant okay yeah that that that's a really good question my other

143thought process in it is we are we're looking for three we would potentially be looking for three assistant principles being that we're in such a slump for any administrators in our region um that may be a difficult task but that's what I'm thinking you know is there an opportunity to would you consider would we consider bringing in somebody that was you you know partially through their program in an in you actually the regional superintendent started as a leadership program and we have 12 individuals that are in process right now and that is part of it that we provide those internships or active duty service pay with Le of absences and so for so if we were doing something that we're going to look at all available options but we also have an administrative unit that

144we have to adere to their contracts too I love the internship idea but that would be something we have to have an agreement because internships are not covered by the contract but I think everybody is trying to figure out how to do best to go forward in the best okay great thank you so that was my first level of questions my second level of questions is pertaining to uh the St right doing those in house versus continuing on with b and what is what is the cost breakdown in that of us doing them because we'd have to purchase all of these things house all of these things essentially have are we looking at having teachers that would be responsible for these kids individually or sended position for somebody that would we do we are sorry

145we do have a curriculum coordinator that we years ago who's specific to science and is working with our science with the intent this was not a new goal this is something we talked about several years ago when we thought our science curriculum wasn't delivering and our teachers weren't really happy with some of the science kits that were coming our way also they don't differentiate to our special needs often and they just sent us less numbers of items within the kit and called a special education kit so we had a lot of issues outside several years ago that we wanted to see this improved so these are all things I you have a followup meeting in the next couple weeks with shoban Tiffany to talk about what is that breakdown we're looking closer with bosis there

146are certain districts that still use bosis for storage and for some supply cost so it's still aable right that was my next question so we're looking at that option awesome so we can possibly potentially just for the people listening because you and I are talking like but our understanding of home that we might be able to use our kids but store them in a Bose facility for a much smaller potentially cost saving cost and there's also layers to which they purchase the supplies and would refill the kits based on our specs perfect that's exactly what I was talking about and that I was thinking of Stacy you know is there opportunity for us to have grants fund the purchase of supplies for the kids so I'll speak to that given our our our nature as

147a system and our our fluid nature often compared to our Region Three or few of those grants are accessible to us we always look that St them on board looking for such things at all opportunities um it would be a reach but we'll we'll continue to look for those opportunities I think you when you use a grant you're going to lose your BOS ability you can't double dip on that usually you can't use a grant to pay to bosies and then expect Aid back so it's one orse know I'm wondering if there's if there's an Avenue there but that's just my thought process so and I know I'm taking a lot of time so my very last final thing is that I did not see um pool on the budget is that falling under tell

148me what you mean by pool the pool it's in there but it's liing okay I didn't see it you know anything you're marked that are we talking is that in another aspect of the bu that's not brought out for us to see right any maintenance of the pool is within Mike's facility bud that's it we're still liming it along and until another Capital project is done the third one which we've already talked about that is a focus for that area the pool the the technology stem Suite that the state will urge us to put in along with the reorg oranization of the Music Theater area is sort of that's close the last phase of the school we can't do anything within our budget to the pool because it's a capital issue right we have to

149just maintain so if we maintain and you know I know there's been talk and conversation of you know people saying we we should pull back on phase three right of of this building project that would significantly impact our school our pool is not going to be able to sustain through that and it would effectively wipe out our whole swim program it will WIP out your whole swim depending if there's a catastrophic failure it could cause damage to the building but on top of it just so that you know because you mentioned stage three we haven't heard drawing back we hear it on social media from select view but there is a new thing that the board's going to have to understand it's called temperature and we will start closing and going to remote with the

150new law in New York state the third project will virtually eliminate that because we're trying to do climate control which was something that was a bonus but now every school must address it otherwise they R have to close on temperatures usually in September maybe a late September little early August but definitely sometimes in May Definitely Maybe late April and June we are going to have issues that are called heat days you remind me of that temperature it's 82 we must do some type of adjustment at 88 we must close the room that there are in this will definitely be something that'll be coming to our Forefront this spring just because we know that it was a lobbying issue of a major Collective marketing agreement thank you thank you I'm sorry if I went over time

151I'm done you did you had five more seconds before I just want to point out with um our discussion with so the the contract does have a Sal range with that we can hire princi the numbers you see are the highest that the range allow so this is the most conservative uh to% I think there maybe a 15 $20,000 in that range so this is the highest highest salary that we could poent H at would we H through at that higher amount probably not but I just wanted to show you what the worst case scenario could be for cost and this does include the cost of the district Sheriff grf like a um visibility and things that nature so there's more things that right thank you so much guys appr it um all right so

152related to the um the assistant principl you know I did I and I I'm sorry but I I missed all your numbers for the counselors just looking at the principles right you know if you look at the ratios you know right now the elementary would be at 1480 versus you know period School 1 to 260 Middle School 1 to 275 and high school 1 to 67 so you know right now our Elementary School principles would have 113 more students than any other school right um and considering the cultural aspect that is going to happen as we go down and with all the rising and the and the change management of it and the you know apprehension by students family staff um you know I I think that's a lot for one principal at that Elementary

153level particularly in this new environment um to handle so you know I'm I'm definitely in favor of looking to what we can do to alleviate that right and and if it couldn't be one in each building is there is there a possibility of floating and I don't even know if that's even something that could even work but I I think as as it is today I I think that's just virtuity in my opinion I'm not even an administrator but I would not want to do that um I think that would be really difficult um then some of the other smaller things um you know and again I don't even know if this is possible but you look at fourth grade play and don't get me wrong I am 100% in support of that my my

154kids went to rro love to play um actually two two of my kids did not and they were upset that they didn't get to play in their school yet my other one did in his school um but is that something that like PTO can for like and the expenses related to that be covered P level I don't even know I me I know Contra some issues but you know it's a small amount but every little amount adds up right so I'll let Dr speak but the S payment for the the staff that would lead to play that would come from us yeah I think the hard part is the board has always said and and I think it's no said but the board has said if it's something that we should be doing we should

155be putting it into our budget or paying for it in this situation why that's there is because Ridge Road currently has it when we've been going through our culture we want each child they may not get the exact same type of educational day but they should have the same types of educational experiences so we're putting this in there because that's one of the ways that you do that cultural pie if we don't add this we need to take it away from the other one so I mean this is second it's contractual so we wouldn't ask somebody else to do that now I can tell you sort of Man compared to what we're talking about but we had to give you some of the things that we were looking at in our priorities so that as

156you're looking at them like you're talking about the assistant principle right we're going to ask you now that once you get your questions is there anything that you value more or less than the other is there anything we're missing up there that you think of that we haven't thought of do we move stuff up and down because that's what we need to know what is the value and you know we've already taken just about everything out of the budget we know what we're doing I have a veteran staff our budget is as lean as it's ever going to get without C and I don't believe that's what I'm hearing from everybody I do appreciate Katrina's comments what would we dream of that's really what we're asking what do you believe the budget should be to

157put out to the voters because it's your budget to the voters right we're bringing you the best budget we can and the requests now help us do we add because that look at any of those if you say move that up and do do want you to try to get that we'll try but every time we do we're raised in that Gap right and that's okay ways that we can take from one to put to another the other question I have too and again it's a small amount but you look at the music instrument Replacements you know how many families do we have out there where their kid is no longer playing instrument because they change their mind and they have their instruments sit in a closet somewhere right I mean yeah so I me

158is there is there like an all call that goes out to family saying hey if you have any instruments that you have laying around that you want to donate we we did this uh a couple summers ago um we're always very hesitant quite honestly because we do often not get great stop and often spend a lot of money contractual cost and repair so there's an offset we if we want to do that again I intentional shift that year to put more more money in contractual line so yes we could understand but if you we also have to service those that come in so there is some cost right right but just you know and then my last question too um for this round is you know we talked about the potential if we were to

159um take money out of the capital reserve if we didn't do that and let's just say we had made a pool fail can we pull from that Reserve pool the cas does it make sense to keep that in there right versus taking it out that's why we want to have the discussion because last year everybody said pull it out and look at you can pull it out it depends on the word of how you can access it later as well um so there are pros and cons to it there's also the third phase that that's what that money was by the voters approved to be used for so that's why the voters have to approve to authorize it to come out now even if they authorize it come out we don't have access to it

160until next year's budget cycle so that's important to know if by chance even if it came out and we had that emergency we still can use our reserves and go to the state it's a process but our big hope is that even using our reserves is not going to fix a past stopic value that has to be totally capitally R but it could help with the bandaid if if that were to happen right because even if you know we the third prop the third referendum gets approved I mean that's still years down the road right before that pool would be replaced so we're going to have a period of time to be sitting on P needles just waiting for something potentially to happen right and if I can the pins and needles piece there is

161a maneuver um that superintendent can try to work with the commissioner of Education if there is a capital issue because you have to wait for 5 years for Aid to reset there is a maneuver that you can work with state that that if they know there's a impending issue that they will move that funding forward with the caveat that you w't you still going by your timeline so don't ask anymore so even though you might have to do it up front and you couldn't ask for 3 years and then you got 5 year re that they'll say we'll get it to you now but you aren't getting anything for 8 years so we do have once once a third project of that nature is done we would probably look at trying to do whatever are

162timing issues as quickly as possible but in a third project we' be trying to hit the Intermediate Middle School right off the bat for the climate hbac that is not able to be supported this okay so going back to um when you were going through the debt service lines and we were looking at that in the AIDS kind of uh in the beginning of the presentation well yeah you were talking about we get 9 million a little little over $9 million is that yearly that we're getting on the aid every year we're getting 9 million or was that total that's for this year that's for this year that we get in the projects okay because I still wasn't sure like when you go to the website and you see the projects that are finished there's

163still a lot of projects like I I think even the football stadium things like that that don't say that they've been processed for Aid that we're getting so we still have to close those out because we haven't gotten any on the projects is that website correct so the projects have not Clos out yet but that that's a project we did the early a start on so was a project that we knew would take Beyond um go beyond the time that we're eligible to get the ad Commissioners for the final cost report we can't wait for the final cost report to get filed because we'd be waiting forever for our Aid so as soon as we were eligible we fin that early a so the a would come in now to out up the Deb so

164we are getting Aid um an every project we possibly can that timeline or through the early a start yeah I just want to interrupt and ask one question on your question Katrina isn't it my understanding that there was no Aid on the football stadium CU that that was entirely different we got no aid for that I thought there is some contingency and incidental Aid it's a calculation okay but it's not the same rates that we're getting on the rest of the construction Pro projects correct or am I completely misinformed some of the expenditures for the stadium were rolled into the high school which paid for but work that was specifically coded to the stadium projects is unable right because the stadium is also a PE space is a what PE space it's a education space

165I'm sorry to interrupt I just wanted to clarify because you specifically said the stadium thank you Lauren just make sure You' give me my time back I didn't stop it's stop oh yes okay so I guess what I'm looking for though too is to have a little bit more of that understanding for me when I start thinking about big picture I really would like to understand each like this was a great this was a great start thank you for doing it for a breakdown of where that debt service line is but to know okay this this is what we're doing for the project so like when we're talking about what we're coming up what's coming out to bid which is the gy over here I would I would be curious to know one because what

166we just passed tonight is not completely in so we're going to be looking at that I'm sure next year's budget like some of the increases for Bridge Road and then I'm wondering about like what is that increase going to look like for when we do this Capital Construction for the the twostory gym this this this portion of it because I know it's out for bid right now so I that's I'd like to I'd like to have an understanding of what is our debt really going to look like in the payment because everybody's so tight and it seems like the capital constructions cost us a lot of money so you're looking for a forecasting of future death based on their remaining work and a projection of their yeah to have an understanding between the two of

167those um so that was one of the questions because if I could just answer one of your questions that you asked about this project cost us a lot of money said the the project has cost us a lot of money you have to understand the project has brought % of the money of $220 million back to the district that otherwise would go every place else so the community knows that they invested that because that's what's going to move forward we can't live in the 60s we can't live in the 50s we can't live in the 70s because every house that did not make any repair or bring money back will be deteriorated that's what's going on right now that's why the state gives that type of Aid back and our team tries to maximize that

168and of that like say it's 220 that means 42 million is the 20% just using rough numbers 20 million was authorized by the voters to bring that 42 million down to the 22 million because they were saying use our money to bring it down so we're paying debt on about 10% of the total project cost and bringing all that extra money back and using the community's money that they said invest and bring our district up the state so I don't want it stated that we're spending all this money we're trying to invest money to raise the community raise the district and live up to the expectations of the community that voted it for yes yep okay well so because what my like okay to look to jump because I jump I'm a jumper to jump

169um down to like the considerations for the um upcoming year so like to me how much was it for the regional hockey team uh like you're talking about the hockey team but we had a hockey team this year didn't we well Myra did but the kids went and they played there from here that's not that's not a hockey team that is a Regional High School club team made up of anybody that wants to and that's really what we're talking about but but they can't enjoy intersectional play oh the other team that I just saw we had we had six kids win a championship down in broom uh County that is the club team that's not a high school team oh okay yeah so the cost of that Regional hockey team and that's the thing we're

170still better we had a request this past year and that is a hockey team out of uh witer and they have that cost they're in their second year and I know first year is a little bit more expensive to get that started we estimate right now potentially it's going to be somewhere between 40 and $80,000 to start up but that wouldn't necessarily that's why the as there for V we have to sort of zero in on it and talks with Windsor or we have to you know we may consider hey Will We allow kids to go the oven but to the Windsor one like they asked this year but wasn't in the budget we believe that there is enough support of our other surrounding schools that they would share in the cost that's the only

171way we could do it but we would have to hold the cost and be reimbursed it was something the board wanted to do okay um and the all of these things are in that $2 million yeah no these are in addition these are in addition okay so if if say the board said hey we'd like I'm using your dream we'd like to do all of that we' have to add all of that and that Gap will go up if you say we'd like to do the fourth grade play we'd like to do the bus monitors it will go up by $ 58,300 that's really what's left in our budget so really we have another like $2 million gap that right now 2.3 2.3 again this year that we have to try to figure out reserves

172or Cuts basically no you have we showed you I think six different things we can use more reserves we can use more fund balance we the fund balance is at 1 million right can you use more than a million dollar in fund balance what's the fund balance at well the fund balance we play 4% on appropriated fund balance we're a little under we're a little under three so what's the total fund balance and and so that I don't get into that right now because it's a tool I just want you to know why I'm not getting into it we have to do projections of surplus where we're going to be and get a much better look on that because if we can fill holes for next year that creating now that if you use reserves

173and stuff that's what you try to do make sure that you have money coming back in to fill what you use that's what we want to still back a little more but that's one of the tools just like you could say hey we want to try to do some budget cuts right we'd like to uh reduce like from last year we had nurses or modified sports program or um I know people look like this social workers or Administration right we can do those things too we're asking where does the board wish us to head towards but I I don't think we're there yet at that discussion of which tools and how much but once you tell us what those priorities are here we'll see what we can do and by the next meeting we really

174have to zero in are which tools are you taking off the table and you don't want to consider do you want to challenge nope we don't want to challenge this year then that Tool's off and then we have to fix it even with what's left or you guys may say we don't want any Cuts we don't want any ads and we don't want a challenge well guess what we have Aid reserves fund vales and budget reductions that's really what the board I think ask us to do so that's why we're having this discussion it's Lely but that's okay that's what this is supposed to be so that would be my big thing is I would like to have more of the breakouts with The Debt Service to have the understanding of the stuff that we

175had just discussed and then I would like to know what our real fund balance is because if it's more than a million dollars and we do have access to be able to get those funds I would like to know that option and I would um and that way we could uh yeah this what it's March you said we have to figure out the capital project by end of March or this first meeting in March okay so if we could get the email of the fund balance that would be a good good understanding of it or an update of what it what what it what we could potentially use from it because if we could use fund balance in instead of capital reserve then maybe we would choose that as the option I I would say

176I understand that you're you're speaking with the eyes because that's what you want we have to respond to the whole board so they've heard that right well I mean just give all the information is good but unless the board wishes us to go down that that's what I'm saying is I need to know what the board not any one well but this but when you take your training you're supposed to get your fund balance and have an like know what your whole fund balance is so I think that's a very important Big T on every monthly but we yeah that'd be great thank you gent ladies time has expired should that oh go ahead and answer please oh I I'm sorry I thought you were going to ask a question so we ended fiscal year

17724 um just the Tad under 4% unassigned fund balance the state allows up to 4% and it's always been the board directive to keep 4% when possible which is recommended by every organization it's a very low number anyways so we've always tried to keep it at least 4% we're a little under because of the issues we had last year with the health claims um in order to stay within 4% and appropriate more for next year we would have to create a surplus this year in this budget right now we're looking okay but again we could have an outrageous number of Health claims between now and the end of the year so it's not looking like we're going to generate much fund balance so in order to appropriate more that would bring that 4% down which

178is not really advisable because if there were some catastrophic event next year we wouldn't have the funds to it's basically unassigned fund balance as your savings account and having 4% is very and to add on we may have to take but that's where once we know what the board's direction is for the overall picture what you'd like to use in the tools we will take that information and try to develop the best plan if you say we want this and we have to develop plan we need to do that Surplus evaluation as late as possible because the later you do it in the year the more valid it becomes usually at the start of March probably more like 80% versus like February where it's maybe 50% as you get closer to the end or we

179close out our budget you start to see a better picture of how we're going to get in the year so that is the process that they will use for us to get all the way up as late as possible up that April 23rd when we have to approve the budget in other words we'll use as time as we can try to get as clear pict just the math rut that's about 3.8 million okay Dan okay thank you just a couple clarifying questions ktie probably can answer this but you know when you're going through the tax cap um initially it's like a 7% what slide is I'm going back here three 3.4 million uh allowable property tax level change 7.12 and then because of we did last year I think with Deb service it become it

180comes down to4 so when we actually let's just assume this one works let's let's just assume we were to go out at the max Levy Y what would the percent you know what would the newsletter say the percentages is it 1.38 or is it the seven the seven right now no so that's overall um Revenue side that's that 1.3 inclusive on Revenue side of the budget so 7.12% is specifically to the levy and the difference is where 2425 included 2 million in Deb service Reserve fund 25 26 has nothing in it yet okay that's a future future discussion that we'll need to have um but that's why it looks a little strange it's the 3.4 when actually it's a 1.4 but it's still 7% this is the calculation okay that's thank you for clarifying that

181and then another again just just for me to understand um not trying to question what you say Katrina but in terms of The Debt Service right and you know we approved a project tonight there's the discussion of the gym but you already have a budget line item or prop you know estimate for Debt Service for this coming budget year so whatever we app tonight for example or what we might approve in the next board meeting is that actually impacting that I mean you have a number there so what is that based upon is it already taken into account those things that we might approve yes so it's taking into account the cash flow needed for the the work the construction work to be completed during the 25 26 fiscal year so that would be cash

182flow for Ridge Road High School in the wrap up of big flight and G so in other words uh even though we haven't awarded a contract cont for the gym yet if we were to do that it doesn't change the debt service number that's in the budget right now right it's all PL for right that uh 14 14.7 million is reflective of um planned work cor okay yeah because we do have um casual estimates from our construction manager for all projects work anticipated you know broken down by month they're very detailed about it and that's what we look at with well that's what we look at with fiscal advisor as we determine how much cash we're going to need for the upcoming this year okay and then my own reflection on some of the um

183considerations yes um maybe it's Tony but could you speak to a little bit more about the summer Learning Academy and U I know you said I think that was Grand funed funded and now we bring it in and we feel like that was effective program and how many students were able to reach through that we do the unique part about this program it adresses students specifically for ELA and math that um do not um they're kind of caught in the middle sometimes they don't have a cc or IE um and the goal of this program is actually to prevent that and to maintain um no regression during the summer for the select group that we Chosen and also to and then to see that for now I do have some quick data on that that's

184a SC does amazing work as a principal of that for the last 3 years um she sent me some um preliminary information specifically G Ro students that attended the academy but I believe it was 80% of the students from Garder Road in 22 23 or 20 summer 23 um either exceeded or maintained going into their a web and data sets going into the the fall so in other words I didn't see the regression they actually grew or maintain because and we attributed this to the work which is really fundamental so the MS work talking about for a SL group of students and the intent is to to remove them and you know prevent them from furthering teer support that they might need even in the social emotional work that we do there the range there

185is because in any given year we have the Mone through that Grant to try different things to assign a PE teacher to see what that would look like in the the social emotional learning the work that that person would do we had a librarian one year maybe all years this range would allow us to try to put together a program with a specific number we serviced as many as 100 plus students may even year we could make a approprate very conscious of the number of students for the classroom we know that the lower number is going to have a high impact um so given a range we feel that this takes about 70 students that are otherwise you know if we maintain a higher part of that range that might um not go into a

186slide that will maintain where they're at and grow even further going to the future years so that's why you see a little bit higher thank you uh so I'll just try to quickly say I mean I'm very supportive of the considerations to the extent we include any of these that directly touch the classroom you know student learning experience I think that is our priority so play uh teaching assistance we've heard repeatedly about how students um come in with their invisible backpack and and the burden being placed upon the staff is increased in terms of all the things they have to do and so if we can have additional teaching assistance summer Learning Academy the bus monitors I mean give me wrong I love hockey but I definitely would deprioritize additional Sports at this point I

187just don't think those are the priorities that we have so I think those are appropriate to be at the bottom and and other kind of things like the technical support or the uh laptop parts I mean they'd be great to have but in terms of priority I put those lower and I think the uh principles assant principles you know there's obviously a strong case to be made as Christine talked about for that so I'm very supportive but I think is we can continue to just look at you know maybe the different options to try to do that but it's clear that we need that support from the staff at the uh fear Elementary School building so I think the prioritization makes sense um as you've done it from my point of view my question so

188like that I mean as you go through at the end we need to ask you do we have have it sort of right or do you think we should move some things around so yeah I think it's I don't know where you draw the line and I think that becomes factor of all of the different tools Etc but I think it's right in terms of where we've heard the priorities are and where we can best impact the student learning expence and that is really when we talked as a a team here that's the parameters we use what is going to have a front facing student impact the greatest potential thank okay um a lot of my questions haven't answered so might not be as long um there's two truns in the like already built in

189portion budget one is for transportation and one is from facilities um just the difference between the two I mean obviously let talk about it'll both transportation and facili this because they PR y so on the two trucks itself the facilities truck is going to be a truck updated with st to for Sal spreader things of that nature it's going to have numerous capabilities to go with that uh we are trying to keep TR we're trying to keep also facilities for the vehicles that they have the life cycle of them are getting fight over so what we were like what we like to to do is take the truck that we have in the service that I you have in the shop that we can give the facilities and have them use that that they can

190use for different things and then we would UPF another truck for us so we're just giving them one and then getting up facilities truck so the truck facilities why you see that a little bit higher is because that's got so many different avenues that we will use that for facilities dep okay so while they wanted two Transportation giving along and then there's one additional fac but there was two lines on there one for 75,000 one of for 95 one that transp is giving to so facilities need two trucks okay transportation is going to give facil at least one device facilities and their for transportation so they actually requested three and this was a cost effective way of achieving that goal of three um thank you umy another questioning summer Learning Academy you had mentioned that

191it was a select group of students yes how are they chosen yeah we have a process with the principles um to create a list of names they work with their teams I like CH school psychologist and social workers um and the RTI team of course because they're the ones with huge data set on these students and they meet with them they give them a deadline in a couple weeks that they always going at and they give me a list of class of students and we have to make some hard choices we usually invite many and we have a second tier invite because that everybody takes advantage of it okay so often we'll get out 100 names or 200 names for one year and then 50 say they're go and then we put have a second

192wave after that based on how they prioritize and how many weeks is it and is it like a Monday through Friday type of scenario a half day Monday through Thursday four week one week you said or four we we with Transportation Transportation provided at one location we do a regional location okay think we have five or six buses that might service okay thank you um I also in support of looking at options for the assistant principles um I certainly see the need for it um I would be interested in looking at you mentioned D students or someone mentioned D students um I understand they might get a higher be H our teachers are maybe at a higher level but I'd like to see potentially what that would look like is we to look at a

193DM student position um another question is our boties costs are up 6% I think is what you had said in the last presentation or someone had said in the last presentation that's the administr okay have we ever had and I know I haven't since I've been remember had V come in and present the board on what they offer and what those costs are actually entailing we know is there a better breakdown of understanding what Avenues we can get from those SE that we aren't taking in of we might be able to uh Aon mentioned I think pooser program for evaluations um and different things that we aren't taking edge of that we might be able to that might be a cost reduction but at the same time having a better understanding of why our CT

194costs up 16,000 per student and well that's my job but I will tell you they don't like me asking well I'm just at all if we ever just have a better understanding of what all incompasses and with that large number that we are actually gain to them what it entails and perhaps it would be beneficial for offering that um healthare claims have we ever consider lowering that from 500 down that will be something we will have to look at okay um I mean this is good they saying some of these just take not I think that's everything that I have at this time just for clarity I did hear think three board members about Thea students position um of course we can bring that that information forward and I know Tom and ktie has spoke

195to it this must be a redundancy but I really do think when it comes to B your five your intentional assistant principles and recommendations I just want to offer that out we gladly bring you the difference in job descriptions but no as far as the cost and the job that can be delivered the assistant principal is by far the better option of course that's the will board that the last thing I have is when you talk about um that regionalization program through vo that we didn't participate in but we're still kind of involved with is that something that hockey program could potentially be because I agree with what Dan said like it's not something budget wise that I would say is a top priority but if it's something that we can still offer to our

196students but through a joint effort that might not cost us that 50,000 but it would cost us maybe a little bit less than that or a portion of that or something is that an op in a way that's what we're trying to do uh because that would be make sense thing of what truly regionalization is meant to be the problem with Bose's is Bose's can't run Sports programs so it would have to be a host District really we're doing the same thing we will not get Aid on it one way or another even if it's closer they can't coas through Sports programs because we wish they would because we run all of our Sports programs through them and that way we get State a for um but what happens is that concept's there regionalization they're

197about to have another meeting I think in another week it's sort of the second round kickoff honestly they don't know what they're really supposed to do with it that's why we're going because we have no problem if something makes sense for us and I will bring it up there because is maybe Corning or elmro would like to do it Elmyra could certainly put it in his budget rather easily I think and then we participate and we pay our share no different than the request that came in paying a certain share to another District that doesn't mean we can't do that for next year I'll have more time if that's a consideration thank you um regarding the plays and the teachers assistance I mean Equity lives across different I think that's really import keep that for

198the students and um you know the teaching assistance and something we've heard over and over again was definitely needed as well um the only other concern I have is the cell phone potential cell phone ban that our governor is speaking about um is that in place in 26 or would we need it is it in 25 I'm sorry I'm just reminding it when that would be we just don't know okay um officially it's part of the budget until suits made we don't know what the detail is in the budget the problem is is she could say and take that control and say it's next year and if it becomes law we must do something I do believe there's a lot of outs in the language that we could try to do it without Financial impact

199because a lot of our teachers already do something it all depends on what the final language is then we would have to adjust to look at those and if they want to slap me on the hands for a year because I didn't do it because it has a financial cost I they person she can slap me out in the hand or should we just be proactive and the cost of the Pod or whatever the cost right now is $30 per student it is $80 to $100,000 and if we have to do the whole District that's 4,000 * 30 that's 120 Grand I understand I'm just saying we need to be proactive yeah I don't think you have to at this point uh just because of the fact they really are pushing get at local control

200and we have a storage device build into every one of our schools it's called the loer I just have um an I apologize if these were asked because I know questions so I st out for these but with I have a question about the sports and about Transportation so rich com action question um how many bus monitors would we have total um on staff and then I know we don't know exactly how many groups or runs we would have how many potential opportunities would they have to push in off the top of your head it doesn't to be exact but I'm just wondering do we have enough so before you just so we had three we reduced it by two so we currently have one okay that's that's where my M was yes we're looking

201to bring two back okay um to flow amongst you know the number of runs that we have um if this is a similar question to betweena you know wish list what would we look for do you have a opinion basically right now we're looking at similar amount of roots right now I'm not going to put that in stone until we're finished with our analysis so that's why we wanted would like us to get back up to three floating monitors a couple of quick points I believe that goes directly to student safety remember we have a larger ratio it's one driver to 30 40 50 kids much larger than when you get into a classroom we've been seeing some of the impact now from inputs from drivers that were feeling the impact of missing those I

202don't have comparable stats but what I can tell you is from September to January we've had 284 drivers do student write ups on the bus that write up could be either a phone call home to the parent to a suspension from the bus to a superintendent hearing we also have 75 writeups that were initiated by a principal or a parent that's an addition so that's a total of 359 I'd love to do a comparison from the previous year but we didn't start those stats two other quick things number one remember next year we're looking at uh fifth and sixth graders also right I in high school so that is going to be an issue and after the first year it is become zable oh okay um and then for the boys hockey and potential girls

203hockey I know is it title n where we have to even them out okay to go there you know well first just let me add the word field hockey it's not girls hockey apologize uh we have had that opportunity right now with itha but they are going I believe if I'm correct totally internal I only next year that built the program okay yeah we we Haven been told that somebody at ads meeting said they were trying to do totally inside if they could I just don't know how any one District does that but if they can more power to them but to the title n issue we are currently I believe 14 to 11 right 14 girls team which is unusual It's usually the other way around which means I can't add any girls team

204at this point that's one of the reasons why it's said B I must consider boys teams possibly in the future if not immediately we are going to be conducting another Title 9 review at the end of this year and then working with our attorneys to make sure that we are in compliance with title if we are out of compliance we will have to pick 18 te or reduce girls program I don't think anybody wants to reduce um and just my two sents for what it's worth I agree with Dan as far as um where where his priorities lie um I do think it's very very important that we really look at the assistant principles um we're asking a lot of our and our kiddos and our principles as we transition and um have a cultural

205shift so I think it's important to look into that deeper um I guess I'll just go on the checklist I support um at all three level all three elementary schools I support more teaching assist Learning Academy I know was a good program I've had students in my dayare who've gone to help them I think because children who don't have or whatever they get lost and so I think that is good thing and the busers yes because the bus drivers don't have eyes in the back of their ey so they definitely do need help as far as the assistant principles I totally not sure I would support that and I know now you think it's from the 90s but when our children were in um Elementary School the principles had around 500 kids and there's only

206one principal um and I would rather see if we were going to add some money I'd rather see it go to more teaching assistants or social workers because I think that's where I know the principles have a lot to do when they touch the kids but I think those people also touch the kids so if we had to pick that would be my Pi for more teaching assistance and but I'm just thinking of how it was and I know things have changed um I know 20125 but um I know we had more than we had we had over 5,000 people in the district now at then and I know there was only one princi and it was K through it was at s they used all those classrooms so um I struggle with putting that

207into the the rest of the items um I think i' like how you have prioritized um I also think that you should put Vis back for board members because um the board is in charge of the district and there's some useful information you from them or if you go to the conferences and I think it's around $5,000 um we have 104 million budget and I think it's okay the board has you know $5,000 whatever it is I have no questions thank you though for what you presented to me thank you Warren you're the only one that has I don't think it this so um a lot of people said a lot of the things I would have said but on the list there I can definitely live with the top four when we're looking at

208uh finding $2.3 million that 265,000 is a big number so um while I could live with it um I'm more inclined to think along um Sue's way of thinking about it maybe next year but I did the same math Christine did and if we're looking at straight numbers then it's clearly elementary teachers are in a position that 1 to 480 or whatever it was versus nobody else there so I I can see the rationale but we're looking for a way to find 2.3 million so 265,000 is a big number but anything below the building principle I think you prioritize correctly and or the system principle I think we can live to fight another day and another budget so in general one of the things we kind of need I've already talked to kti is sort

209of some type of consensus we heard what you said because this priority makes sense in the format that it's at or should something be moved up something add nisb put out there it's not 5,000 I think it was 11 or 12 or something but same time applies to it that's for yeah um so we did we did not put it on there because it's not us and the board offered that last year the board's reduction so if the board wants it put up there put it up but other than that we need to know are we on the right track here I say yes yes and I know can just let me see thumbs up because I'm trying to make sure everybody's at least we're on the right track at least that list we may

210add something or something or we're not because if we're not like Julie Sue well I mean I know that we could add lots of things like if we wanted to add things to the list this is a list but if we could be adding more things to the list or if there's more priorities or things like Rich was saying uh monitors fifth and sixth grade I don't know if three is really going to be enough when you start adding Fifth and six onto it [Music] so I mean for this right here sure but like I think that's our next discussion so I think that's good because what happens is if this is the list and we add yes we can add more things it's what do you feel comfortable about can you go to the

211split screen with the 2.3 because it seems like everybody at least seems like that list was pretty decent at least if we can try to make things work from the comments and that's what we'll try but it's that second side that's the most important thing on that list of five bullets is there anything you don't want us to do because that's what you're using to close the that's the only way we're going to close it because anytime you add to the 2.3 we're going to have to do one of those things and if say you took off 1 two three and said nope it's either budget reductions or tax levy and that's where we were at at the end last year we want to get there by next week so we can really dig in

212and hopefully get the state to give us more money too and then try to build the best based on what we have so the reason why I said that Katrina is if we're going to add more add more you're really talking about tax L chall because we don't have the fund balancing reserves to do that we have the to fight another de that's what I'm saying you're using all of that and everything on the list is included with all of those things right there okay so instead you could also just maybe not Levy as much tax to the people bring that down a little bit because the total allowable money that's up to the 50% threshold if we bring that down we're cutting something okay okay for the 1.4 yeah we're cutting something if we

213if we affect the left hand side say we brought the 1.4 down to 1 million that now becomes a 2.76 M million G and then we have to use either reserves fund bounds but we won't be using a tax levy challenge because you're actually reducing the taxes so the Gap we have right now without adding anything right um is 2.3 million yes what percentage that that what percentage it's more than 2% right the 2.3 million are you saying what's the additional Levy percentage it would be if we put that out just like it is right now would we need 50% if we put that out right now we don't have a balanced budget so if we wanted to cover that with taxes we'd have to raise that 1.4 up roughly another what 4% so it

214be about 10 11% tax levy and then our rate and that would cover everything but that's a taxy challenge that would require 60% is right now is a taxy challenge no this is just a straight tax levy 2% only requires 50% as long as we can cover the 2.36 as long as we can cover it yep with those tools over there okay with one of the tools being a challeng potential Challenge and that and that does not include that any of those lists that we just so anything that we talked about and you can see by like 2.36 if we put in the plays it's 2.36 3 right I can I offer something up real quick too so G right now $2.3 million we're at the end of February I I still have a lot

215a lot to do so that number is going to change regardless of those additions or not um so that's where we are now um my goal for tonight thank you very much for the feedbacks exactly what we needed to hear um is to take the information see what we can do and come with scenarios of those tools how we can balance again what's off the table what's what are we not what do you want to do what do you not want to do um and you know take take this next step and come back in March and see what's next but having the board come to a consensus on that prioriti gives us a great place to start on moving forward with the overall development so that's a 2% Levy so you're saying can't say

216a 1% Levy well you can but you're going to cut more okay but if I add up all of those totals that's at that gives us 3.2 million a little over 3.2 million and our Gap is at 2.3 million so what's a 1% ly compared to a 2% included our true Gap is about6 million $5 million or so we've taken and used our tools so that that's what's left to give everything and maintain everything we had last year to this next year so we still have to figure that part out okay so okay so I guess I um okay I see so to me like I think that we need to think about maybe taking a million from the capital reserve um or taking a little bit more from the fund balance that's what I

217think in my mind because I like you were asking asking if we feel comfortable I don't feel comfortable going over the levy to challenge the tax cap to our community again I don't think we can do that so that's where I that's that's my comfort level if you're asking may I comment real quick on your suggestion of the capital reserve this year that has to be done by voter proposition the community have to say yes with not available until next year we can't use it as tool now close this year's budget it would be liquidated dispersed to other allowable or there permissible by the law where they they can go but it's not something I can account for now because I don't know if the community will say that I think that we should then

218still put that proposition to the community so that we have that liquid asset available and then if we choose to put it back into Capital Construction then we choose to put it back into Capital Construction but at least we'll have that so that if for some reason we hit another big bump in the road we're not cutting for from kids we're cutting from projects and that's a good idea that will be our final question to the board because if the board feels that that is important to do we have to work with Bond councils and our legals to get that proposition because it has to be at the March 13th along with the transation and at that point the board can choose to vote Yes to move forward they can um discussion okay please do

219you have to take the whole Capital am out put um that's a great question and actually one I want to pose to our bond Council if it has to be dissolved in it's entirety or if there's a mechanism to remove a portion um there's more information I want to bring back to you once they have that conversation to help inform that decision we we'll try to get that in an update so that you at least know what we've heard about that question I same thought I I'm very hesitant to our day reserves um to right now to pay I feel like we're ring peopleall so I want to make sure that 10 years down the line there's still something there um could you refresh our mem I apologize on how those fun how the reserve

220fund is um up in general funded so um so the% fund balance that talking about earlier that's the our R fund that's the maximum allowed to keep on hand any over and above the 4% is considered Surplus um and that's when we have the discussion at the finance committee and ultimately bring a resolution to the board about what reserves we want to place that money in so you know it could be in our tax we know that's been low lately um we could U replenish um we could look at all the options but it's we're going to try to bring back the best option with that question so when I when I look at that list um obviously we don't know what more to get from from the state um I am not in favor

221of taking any more out balance and going lower than 4% at at all um I think that you know so last year we challenged the tax levy and our tax rate still went down right I think as you continue to do the magic that you and your team does which is absolute magic every year um I mean I think it's before you know I don't I'm not ready to say completely know that we're not going to challenge that tax ly because we could find out that you know your your your estimates still show a potential or really small potential increase in that rate um even when we challenge where we're able to close that Gap and potentially even bring on more things that are going to you know positively impact the students that we have

222right so um I'm I'm open to continuing that discussion and continue to look at the data to challenge tax um because you know it was a tough discussion last it was a tough discussion last year but at the end of the day our rate down right um and and I know you know it's it's you can't guarantee that but I still want to keep that door open um but I I really do not support Christine you I agree every you just said you know I mean I wouldn't take the uh challenge off the table um but I also I just wanted to make the additional Point given we already know we have this gap which we're going to as you said will change but I think we have to be really mindful about what we

223do add right and so just going back you I said earlier I agree with the prioritization but I also would you know basically drop off the bottom half of the list right so just didn't want when you were asking yeah but want to make sure was clear like priori prioritization is correct but I also don't think we we should try to find a way to put it all my point just in terms of the message I wanted to conve and if I can add just because I understand about the fund balance depending on where we know we're going to project at the end we may have some tools the reason why we're asking all these questions is once you give us the guidance of you think you want and if you say we want no

224budget reductions well that sort of leads us to almost certain tools if you say we want to add these things and we don't want to do reserves or fund balance and that leads a certain set of tools but if we know what your tolerance levels for we still got that that's what Katie saying we still have work that we're doing that we will try to bring that gap down even more depending on some of the things we still have about it and if we can we get to that point if we know where you are on this we might be able to say and by bringing it down we can do this but remember one of the biggest things and we will not have this at March or the end of March meeting but Katie

225talked about it with me yesterday she's going to start pounding the assessors ladies and gentlemen we have a 10-year record of my business office my wonderful people with the assessors of being able to project most conservatively what that 7% Levy because that's not what you pay will end up being roughly come August on your tax bill and since 2015 when it was $184 we are now down to $15.98 and we have been very conservative and every time we put up a number in April it's always been lower in August but we do that purposely because we don't want to put up a number and then all of a sudden it goes sky so our track records there we're going to continue to follow that that may make some of your decisions later because look at

2267% I don't to tell you everybody's going to be looking at those numbers this year but 7% does not mean that's what the rate's going to be that's the misn the percentage is just how much the Lev is changing it doesn't tell you how much each individual property or business is going to pay so but you're having the right discussion so I think we do we have what we need right now we know that we have those tools we know that that's only left so we've told you we' shown you what that is we may add Nisa up there okay CU it was requested does anybody have a problem with us adding that up there and we will do one last check of priorities at the next meeting because really we're going through the process

227but once we get certain decisions it's really us building the final budget for you I ask this question about Nisa uh without it for a year it's a $112,000 cost you miss it other than the conference and we can still go to the conference so it's I don't see adding $112,000 back into the budget as a priority when we're still looking to cut 2.3 million and I understand the prioritizing list but if we're still looking to cut 2.3 billion those are addons so it's more than 2.3 million when we put those additions in and I understand it's a fluid number I understand that but I would be opposed in this but for one more year at least for one more year I didn't miss it I agree um we can still access their website we

228can still get get you know recommendations and look at at documents and things like that um but I agree I think prior students just so the board knows I just added that that's roughly $870,000 give or take a little adding error so if we were to add all of that at the high levels we have a 3.1 depending on what we do we don't know but we'll keep that in mind and then try to come back in know better place by the end of March we'll have pretty much the budget close where we know what we have unless stay dead doesn't tell us any additional Aid uh and then really it's really the decision do we make reductions or do you go with the plan to try to close that or do you want to

229challenge to add more all right I think we've had a I just wanted to make another because you know when you're talking about the the challeng and I just wanted to say from a business owner perspective I know that you know it may not be the levy going down but each year since I've owned my business my taxes have gone up and last year was $100 so when I sit here at the meetings and I hear oh it's only going to go up $15 or $18 and then I get my tax bill and it says it's gone up $100 I say to myself well how the heck did that happen and you know Katie and an can explain to me well it's because of this other thing with the state and they changed your percentage

230well I hear is it went up $100 and when I hear that elderly people in our community are having to pick between their prescription drugs and pain for groceries $100 I mean the other people can challenge it we we can lower it and change the rate but if I get a $100 increase on my tax bill in the next 10 years that means my school taxes increased $11,000 in 10 years and a small business owner can't sustain that so I don't think that challenging is a good option I think we have to start thinking outside of the box I think we have to start thinking long term I think we have to also add to an agenda item before I forget we I think we should have that on uh the cell phones as a

231discussion that we can have for an agenda item at an upe absolutely once we know what we have yeah I'd like to I'd like that but I I think we really need to explore costs of busing explore the setup of how our schools are K through 4 might not be the answer K through six might not be the answer it may have to be higher than that we may have to really get down to nitty-gritty of well because once you go to the distance where people have to walk but your cost of everything we have to like really start thinking of a 5year plan and looking at projections not just year to year we have to go much longer and bigger than what we've got going on that's that's what I think but yeah no

232I mean that's I think it's important to hear that perspective about when it comes to challenging the levy because it's on the backs of small business owners and the elderly that feel it the most and I think that we really really have to be mindful about it and we have to really really start thinking like really thinking about it that's what I wanted to say I appreciate the comments I I hope the board understand you did a great thing last year and the elderly the community the vast majority of the people that vote for our budgets 55 and older we know them and they overwhelmingly support I'm not advocating one way or another it's really your decision what do you think this is your budget to say voters we think this is the best for

233horse heads or we think this is all we can do for horse heads and then they decide But ultimately whatever you decide those are the tools we have so although we' like the dream we can't just dream we have to live within our means and we can't just keep adding to the budget or being staff strong in the future if you don't want to ask the community to support whatever you wish to have in the budget that's really where we're at once we get that next year next next two weeks I think it's you can come back we will be asking you to try to narrow it down now because we asked about the capital does the I can't go by any one board member I only go by your Collective does the board wish

234us to put up the capital reserve or some portion of it at the next meeting as a proposition for the voters to free up that money as a safety net in future years we kind of have to have that because we have to spend money to have that answer from we I think Katrina said some type of version of consideration well I think it's important to realize because when Liz made the comment about you know that that money doesn't affect this year's budget and I know that we want to have those reserves for future years but that doesn't mean that the board the next following year can't say okay now we have this extra Surplus we feel good we can put it back back into Capital reserves it's not like that money is going away

235it's still in the fund it's not being spent it's just available to us if we have to have it I think it's a good safety net to have so one thing um that I need to um also clarify with Bond Council that does this resolution that we put before the community does it completely abolish the reserve because the community has to approve the creation of a capital reserve or does it simply liqu in the capital reserve remains in effect because to your point if you're saying we have money later we want to put it back in but if it's abolishing its entirety and it's gone that opportunity is gone unless the community votes to create a new one and it's actually a good way that you said it because that's what we've got to research

236because I'm going to tell you as a superintendent if we abolish and they say Hey you can do that we can also put the language in that we abolish and create a separate one that will be funded with future Surplus or removement of the board why we take the other out all of that is as long as we know that you're okay with that's going to be our recommendation we would go to bond Council and make sure that legally it can be done and written but we have to look at we can't just take it out and then have no place to put it I'll get my hand slapped by OCS but or osc but I'm not really worried at my age getting my hand slapped by before we have this is there a motion

237on the table for this or we just spinning our Wheels right now yeah I'm just asking the discussion for what do you want us I can K you going to also find out if we can pull out a portion of it correct correct so I'm going have a conversation with them get more dep in more detail um and as I said before I can have the resolution drafted you know based on whatever you know think we are allowed to do and then theard Point can vote Yes or no if they wanted to forward on the balance so you're you're telling us tonight whether you want us to proceed and exhaust all of our Avenues to definitely consider bringing a proposal that's what we need to know do you want us to do this I'll make

238a motion for us for them to's the har in looking into it getting more information well I can't just look in please hear me out I have to have the board vote on this resolution on the 13th right otherwise statutorily you cannot put a proposition on so that's why if you're telling me you want us to look into it we are seriously bringing you with proposition on the 13th you can vote it down at that point that's okay yeah I first of all I think there's a great deal of work to be done on the budget if looking into this is going to divert from that and you know create a priority issue I would not be in favor of adding this in while for a couple reasons number one like we've said doesn't do

239anything for this budget year and number two from just budgeting principles generally you know you're supposed to try to avoid one time uh items right so we we find a million dollars next year but we haven't actually created a more sustainable balanced budget and then we have the same problem next year because that billion dollars isn't there right so this is not a way to solve a budget problem to the extent we have one long term and you know the money is there in a reserve for a purpose that we think we will we've talked about pool we know we anticipate future work mean I would say I'd look for ways maybe we end up with the Surplus to try to increase fund balance that's our rainy day you know we have an emergency savings

240account and we know we can get up about the 4% or you know under it so uh I feel like it's kind of a diversion from what our real focus should be over the course of the next month or so which is getting this budget as balanced as in the best shape can I think I'd vote against it in the next meeting and for that reason I don't think it's worth spending de time on at this point I agree um and refresh on memory didn't we um when we put up the first and second referendum we took 10 million each time out of the capital reserve to then lower the burden on the community so in since we are looking ahead to a third referendum having that money to be able to be used to

241learn to lower that um is what is there for right um and and I agree I mean I I don't think that is the proper use of that money to balance our budget um I think we need to look at other tools to be able to do that so I guess I just want some clarification so we were talking about pulling out the capital right the capital funding that that's what you're talking about out but we and you're talking about damage and us if something happened with the pool or something along those lines but right now we wouldn't be able to utilize it because it's tied up correct so we have to remove it to kind of free it up in order to be able to use it if something happened next year and we

242want to use it for the pool or something along those lines is that correct no that's that's the right thinking but if you have a capital reserve and you have an emergency the board has emergency authority to go in to it and with State EDS Authority to correct a safety or emergency situation it's a procedure so you could technically get access to it for that very unique pool emergency uh but you couldn't do it say oh well Ro roof needed a new covering that's not an emergency that's every day thank you that my question if we can get to it then I say let's leave it so just another um debating pros and cons about the liquidation um so one thing that um is looked at when we borrow and we know we have a

243lot to borrow is um our we're rated we're rated by S&P um for our our bond rating andly more favorable Bond rating get you better interest rates because you're seen as a great CRCT risk and one of the things that you look at is Umstead of of your budget did you end with a ccluster or deficit and how do your reserves look and because our reserves have wiled we've had some difficult years our reserves aren't where they should be um we're our rating is still good but we're basically we're on a watch list essentially to make sure that we are progressing in the right direction to maintain the high rating if we liquidate the reserve move it to other reserves and then start using it then we're kind of defeating the purpose of we're depleting

244our reserves again they're not going to see the sustainability and consistency of us because we're using the reserves to to dance Point plug the gaps within our budget versus you know longterm solution so and your Christina going to make the same point as you if we are looking at a referendum that's another counter point to consider do we want to be able to the we have these funds that went to any out of our off to to help out and we had 10 million before twice we have three right now I can tell you Katie and I have had discussions we don't know what the right answer is on this this one because it goes both ways but what Katie just said we just had a v rating call what yesterday so they're watching I

245would vote against it because we told the public we putting it in for Capital construction projects and um I think that's what we should use it for not to solve a budget problem we have other ways to solve that and um I would vote against it other comments so I I can respect that you know you want to have a reserve and you do keep it for that purpose but so far since I've been on the board it has been cuts and then more cuts and I don't think that that's going to change anytime soon I think it's going to be a constant so I think we need to figure out really truly how to solve the problem and have workshops and really think about the overall shape of our school because I think that

246what we're going to see with going down to three elementary schools is going to impact the budget by increasing it in the next few years so I think we may need to think outside of the box and think about really how we choose to set up our schools maybe it's a k through 12 in four locations might be crazy I think that financially we have to really start like digging into it and thinking about it because I don't see this ever changing anytime soon and if it's a capital reserve fund or the elderly people in the community and small business owners in our community I think it's really important and making sure that kids have the services they need instead of I know we love the pool I know we love all that stuff but

247if you want to fund that and have it we have to figure out a way to make it all work and not cut from other people that's that's what I'm saying we got to talk about it because we don't well we are talking about it right now well we are saying don't take the reserves that's fine but you have to understand we are talking about it because you've got five avenues that will help make that decision and the question is is do you want more state of course we only have two ways of raising funds federal aid state aid well three way federal aid state aid and property tax in order to develop your reserves you got to raise property taxes when we're lowering the rate that's not going to raise it but you try

248to balance it so either the district has to raise its local levels the state has to raise its state levels or the federal we already know the state and the federal aren't going to so either you raise your local levels and ask your community what do you want to pay for and support or you make reductions to what you have and say in order to rightsize it we can only do this much I don't think that's what the board or the community wants us to do so in a way those five are interplaying with each other and that's what we're looking you tell us how they interplay best you tell us what you believe is the best way out of those five actions we'll make and finish the budet and try to bring you something

249exactly what we've talked about here and trying to make sure that we if you say don't challenge it goes off the table we stick to the Limit that is that's the purpose by the next end of the next meeting we have to have that direction of what the board expects for so for tonight do you have the direction you need I believe if I'm not mistaken you don't want us to pursue the T res correct sorry just got I also believe that you said for the most part those are in pretty much roughly order there's some not everybody's a averse to the assistant principal but we have to do a lot more work on the budget and then have more discuss but in general that order seems to be okay correct okay what else Katie

250did I miss anything I'm good thank you very much cor now the last thing is we did have a request you want to address it real quick because we're trying to just get some clarity because we could not address a question that came in so sorry here um um so we did you know our last me we talked about if there was questions feel free to email them between then and now um so we did receive one from Katrina um that we didn't respond to um in the meantime um so I'll I'll summarize it you speak for yourself but um the way I interpret it P again you can speak for yourself is that it's a continuation of the conversation of the reporting and looking at one C on another report and how to get

251them to make just to understand what the lines are because some of the lines are missing like the funds that I showed you the codes that I showed you were things that are not on the report so I don't know how much is budged in those codes soending in those so they're in the report they're just Consolidated we don't do um when we give the board the report of the budget status it's um sorted by function and then sorted by object code so things do roll up so there could be five codes in one line but it's an appropriate category for those things to be together that makes sense right some of them yes that's that's fine I I sent did you get all the pictures of the ones I was talking about so I

252believe um it's just a different format from what our wind cat system already generates um so I think like I just wanted to like so last year when we were going through the budget and we were talking about all the different stuff it was like you know I I brought up a curriculum team I really love everything that they're doing I know they're working really hard but I would like to know like how much money exactly do we spend on curriculum as poll how much money exactly are we spending on like the different areas like teacher salaries overall teacher salaries this much money like we get the different presentations of each person's budget but to understand and to see this is how much this curriculum is I love curriculum I don't want curriculum to go

253away but if this is this costs x amount and then we've got Capital Construction at x amount and we've got teacher salary at x amount and retirement at x amount and social works at x amount like to know what those numbers really are then you can say okay this is what I want to prioritize you know no I just like I said last year I'm not saying that we should go to the minimum bus standards but if we had kept a a local school open because everybody always thinks it's just this crazy idea but if we had walkable schools and if we went to an east and west and we went to the busing minimum how much money does that give us in our budget what kind of a surplus does that look like investigating

254these things to understand numbers I don't think is a bad thing but I think what Katie is asking and I think what you were saying is that sheet the 10 or 15 sheets is really the states codes on how they would do align budget where our budget is set up by com mind code which right but we have it more broke out during the when you do the whole thing and I'm not saying that I'm not saying that I have to have all of it but to say you know like in your general fund to have a more like a bigger breakdown of this is what we spend it on it's really hard when you get a presentation you know like today and people are presenting and to see the numbers we don't we don't

255understand all the inner workings it's not trying to be a micromanager at all but if if we're seeing that there's a need you know like that there's a lot of kids that really need like if we want mtss to really work you see we if we really know that it's going to take a lot more money to make it work then we need to try to adjust our budget and other areas in the future and it's hard to make those determinations when you can't see it all and the reason why I was asking that question is to give you and I've given you this suggestion but you do have our line items that you could break that down now you may not know every bit about like what's in the curriculum line of that Katie

256I mean right now it's hard and I know your time is short during the day you really need to come in and they can go right through that whole thing and start breaking it down and letting you know but it's not something that's here but that would help you in your discussions because that's what you're asking for and we will be grateful to help public Bo because I think that this I think I think to feel like on the next like 10 years we're going to be on this tra truction and I'm really worried about putting a third referendum to people because you know what I love the pool and I think we really need to have it but if we keep going at this rate what happens when they decide to shoot it all

257down and we go to austerity our community did that for a lot of years I grew up in austerity I know this community answer one question you know I think it's important to have the discussions and it's fine Katrina I need to understand that austerity what you were talking about is not austerity now and I agree austerity there allowed the budget to increase by 4% no matter what we'd be above that because our budget's not increasing it's like 3.86 so we'd actually be able to close that Gap in the old you're bringing up the point which I said last year you don't want to go to austerity because then we have to cut probably another $6 million out of this at zero and our job is to make sure if you give us that we're

258not we're trying not to let you get there but I know the public may want to see that from your Vantage Point might I have two members of the public here that are worried about it and I'm I'm grateful that I actually have to because I remember them from the budget meetings last year absolutely right and and what happens is that's what we want but that's why we video right that's why that line item budget is online and if we want and the board wants we can have a workshop down the road and we can take the whole board all the way through it so at least it's recorded but right now that's what I would say to help you I can't worry about everybody else I got to worry about helping you they will

259make themselves available if not during budget season after when time's available so that you get a better understanding to know exactly what you're asking for because that's a fair question and we would help any board member that wants so to get the line you know the form that you want to Broken Out by individual code right there's so much information still within a singular code so seeing the number you know separate all the codes you see an individual code for X building for Math and second gr there's more information than just the number not going to know what's behind that number right so that's kind of what I want to know is what is behind the number General L's time has expired we can talk about it after the meeting so if I just finish

260just say one thing again open to whatever information the board wants to hear on a specific topic that will help inform you as you build your budget from the I don't want you to be distracted from building the budget so if this is a distraction don't do it I make a motion toj so hey s you know you just added so much time to this meeting and then you think it's funny I resent that I I resent it I resent the amount of time you added to this meeting you could go to hippard Road 5 days a week to have these questions answered but yet you don't and then you impede on the rest of the board's time and everybody else in this room time I resent it Ka all in favor I bring it

261up all in FA of a ger no you sure are we're one of nine and I'm tired of you yelling at me so stop I'm tired of you abusing my time do it so done with me I jesus just keep adding the debt to the community no problem have a great [Music] night voted I I'm in [Music] favor next meeting 13