001United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. This is the point in time where the audience can come up and speak on anything that's on the agenda. Okay. Everyone could just tell us who you are, where you come from. Uh, my name is Caitlyn Oswald. I live in Laurel and I have two kids in the school system. I have a first grader over at Kutchug East and then I have a preschooler at the Laurel School. So, I hope this is on the agenda, but I have my little notebook here, but I don't have like a speech or a presentation. I really just have a question mostly for you, Mr. Pety. Um, at our last PTA meeting, you came in
002and gave your presentation about your five-year strategic plan, which was interesting and also like a little alarming really with the numbers and the budget cuts we're facing. I know you gave a few solutions that you were throwing out there um and one of them was merging and that there's a lot of resistance to that probably um from locals and maybe even the school district that you would be merging with. My question is um is it possible I don't know, I hope it's not a silly question. um for a solution to be more like reszoning westward because when you think about it, I think everyone agreed like the North Fork starts in Aquabach when you turn on Main Road. Um I don't know of course all the inner workings of the Riverhead School District. My understanding
003is they do have large enrollment maybe at capacity, maybe overenrollment. Um and is there really a financial incentive when it comes to the aid that was discussed too? The um what was it called? The reasoning initiative, the incentive. Incentive aid. Yes. Yeah. Um, and would that would resoning fall under that of under the organ reorganization? No. I see you shaking your head. No. Okay. Well, that's part of my question. So, so no to to your question, which is an excellent question and and you know uh it's come up a few times. Um there's really not a mechanism in place for doing that. it would uh as I understand it, I haven't spent a tremendous amount of time really doing the research, but it so this to the best of my understanding um is that it
004would require a act of of legislation to reszone a school district and that the voters within that school district would have to agree to that. Um and so that's a much more monumental um endeavor so to speak than looking at um merging with a with a neighboring district, right? Um and uh you know quite frankly I I I don't see uh the taxpayers of Riverhead giving that chunk of their tax base away as a likelihood. But it is something that I I think down the road could potentially be investigated. um you know if we don't have any luck with any other you know attempts of doing something to to bolster enrollment in some way shape or form right yeah I know that's a problem too and is there even a way just because I was
005I rewatched the thing I was just thinking about it I'm sure you guys have thought of everything and tried everything but is there do you know if down the line there would be incentives for maybe state aid to lower people's tuition to come to school to get more tuition students I just you know I just want all the programs that we have now for when my kids go to high school. So, I'm just thinking about it. We're beginning to have preliminary discussions. I have reached out to other districts um that do offer um reduced tuitions to families for for out of district folks to come in. Yeah. Um there's school districts that offer uh for their staff to bring their children into the district at a at a at a reduced tuition rate as well.
006So, these are really all things that we are potentially looking at. Um that those types of things are really exploratory. from talking to colleagues in other districts and Mr. Delari is looking at the financials of those districts that um engage in that practice um you know and even something like that I think is going to require a study from experts and people more knowledgeable than than than we are here locally. Okay. Um you know before going into to some of those directions but yeah absolutely that's that's another um potential means of bolstering enrollment. Okay. Thank you. That's just a If you ever want to dive deep into this, you know, I encourage you to to reach out to my office. I'd be happy to sit and meet with you and Okay. and and discuss any
007and all of this. All right. Thank you so much. I know you have a lot of of work ahead of you. It seems like it's a big, you know, thing that you're taking on. So, slow and steady on trying to be very purposeful in in what we're doing and Okay. Thank you. I'll say thank you, Sean. To follow up on that, a number of states have passed school choice legislation. Is that anything that's being discussed in New York or that's, you know, not really on the top of their agenda? Doesn't seem to be on the top of their agenda. You know, they seem more focused on the charter school aspect of things um as as opposed to school choice. But I do think that we maybe have some flexibility in our tuition rates and some
008other things where maybe we'd be able to bring in um additional students from from other districts at some point in time. Okay. It's uh it's on the the list of things that we're looking at. So, and again open to any and all suggestions and you know um options. You know, luckily we we got some time. So, all right. Anybody else? Going once. Okay. Okay. Now we're up to the presentations of the 2025 20 what? Okay. We'll do presentations and then we'll do the personnel items. I just want to make sure we don't lose those items. That's all. Following the agenda. Okay. As I was saying, presentations of 202526, superintendent's proposed budget update, district and business, security, transportation, facilities, personnel and benefits, debt service, and a reserves, and tax levy. Okay, Mr. Dagi will be covering
009all of those items this evening. Okay. Oh, good evening everyone. Um, as we said, the different areas. Last budget meeting, we hit many of the different curriculum areas. And tonight's presentation, we're going to be covering the district and business office, security, transportation, facilities, uh, personnel, which also includes benefits, uh, debt service and our reserves, and then another little small lesson on the tax levy on how that um, works. Again, uh anything what we what we do is whenever we created this budget, everything is based upon the mission statement. If you don't have a mission statement or a goal or that basically you have a dream. So we end up doing everything in all of our meetings to go by the mission statement. Keep that in. When you have that as your focus, then the budget
010is easier to develop. So that's what we always use. A little explanation on codes which I went over uh briefly last time. Uh the budget that the community votes on uh coming up in May is on the A fund. There are different types of funds called CFH andV um which is the cafeteria grants. That's a special aid fund, capital projects and debt service. Uh thankfully we only go uh on the general fund. So that is your a budget. You're going to see a number of codes whenever you go through and hopefully the font is a little bit bigger so you're not squinting whenever you see these um come up. And these are the different areas that it's broken down into. The one thing to uh the first set of numbers are your function code. Your
011next set are your objects and then the last part is your location. At the very end, you're going to see either a 10, a 20, or a 90. 10 means that that's for Kutchog East. 20 means that that's for your junior senior high school, and 90 is for districtwide. Um, now the first area is district and business office. Before I start, again, just a thank you in the budget development process. uh all of our directors, principles, uh also the department chairs ended up meeting with their principal and different people that we had in different areas. Um Mr. Petrey as the superintendent and Lisa Bieber were dealing with the district office presentation. Uh Tina and uh myself ended up reviewing the numbers for the business office brought into the group. Uh we have Tom Kelly here
012for buildings and grounds who made the presentation for his group. Security was actually presented by Gregory Wermouth um who ended up bringing everything up this year. Transportation we reviewed with Jose Torres who oversees transportation and then the other areas of debt service and that were other areas that Tina provided all the numbers. So, thank you to all of those people and thank you to everybody else in the budget process whenever uh they came in to make their presentations to our group. So, the first area that you're going to see in the district office, there are just some of many of the areas stay close to the same, but there are a couple of ones that I just want to highlight. The top number is the one that has increased that code by a little over
013$20,000. Besides regular costs of legal notices and that, we're going to be going to what they call the bold system. The Bold system is a computerized system. So, whenever you come in to vote, instead of going and we we look up in the old cards where everybody is, it's a computerized system where you actually might have seen in some of your other votes where you're on um an iPad where you log in. The other the back end of that which is the important part is that's an end that we tie in to the town of South Hold and the county because it's constantly updated with voters that uh what do you call it for voting rights in that system. So it is somewhat of a better and more efficient way. It also gives you analysis
014on the vote as it comes throughout and it's a system that we thought would be very important to use. Um, uh, Lisa Bieber has done a tremendous amount of homework on this. It was a system that I was also used to using in another district, but it's something that we think will make it a more efficient way of the voters coming in. Also on this, you're going to see right below that is an increase and it's also down lower on membership dues. Um, we ended up adding one of the different memberships. I don't know, Mr. Petrey, did you want to elaborate a little? Last year, we had cut out our membership of the Nassau Suffach School Boards Association. It was just something that we felt maybe we weren't using. We were getting resources from other
015organizations. And then regionalization came about this year and um Nassau Suffach uh school boards association was very active and became a tremendous resource that I ended up reaching out to and uh Mr. Veio who leads it goes, you know, Sean, you you guys cut us from the budget. you're one of the only school districts um I'll let you hang on, you know, and and and share resources with you, but we we'd like you back as a member next year. And uh they did tremendous work and are really our resource. So we we gave it a shot and now we're back. Had to come crawling back to them. So Okay. Thank you, Mr. Petrady. The other two areas I want you to take notice on, you'll see down there was a decrease in our printing of
016the calendars of public public information. That's just to make you aware. We did a quarterly newsletter. We will be going to three newsletters throughout the course of the year. And then the bottom part, public info that is syntax, which actually goes through Boseies. So I give Mr. Petrey the credit. Um they usually let me negotiate contracts. He actually stepped in on this one to review what our numbers were. The proposal by syntax was a little over $26,000 and then under Mr. Petrey's analysis and meetings with them that was reduced down to the $21,000 number. The next area that you're looking at is the business office. And what I'll do is I'll take you through some of the areas where you see the increase. the one of the areas where there's a $4,192 increase that is
017our purchasing cooperation and also with Questar and those are rates that were in increased by their Bosei services throughout. So that's the reason for that increase. Um the next one below how there was a decrease was the auditing that's our internal and external and what has happened over the course of the years is our claims auditing that we do on a bi-weekly basis has actually been chopped down to the number of hours that they've had to do to review. We've been very fortunate for well over a year now we don't have any confirming purchase orders which means that's an order that was placed before you had the proper paperwork in. So, we have had none of those for well over a year now, which then because of our process and the work that Tina does
018and Barbara Jean Smith in our in our office and accounts payable. Um, we have everything performed. So, the amount of time the claims auditor is in has decreased, which has brought that price down. Also, for our external auditors, we've been very lucky because we haven't had any any amounts on our corrective action plan. So things have been working rather smoothly with that. As you go further down, you'll see an increase of over $44,000 towards the bottom and that's for our insurance mainly NICAR. NICER is the New York State Insurance Reciprocal. That's what we belong to. That's what 93% of the school districts in Nassau and Suffach County belong to. Uh basically that's a consortium made up of school districts to ensure all of the properties. We ended up um looking to see if there were
019any other areas. When you when you look at that, that was a 14% increase, just so you're aware. Um and these increases have been significant. Um that's not just specific to our district. that goes throughout and some of the other districts were an even higher percentage. But basically your insurance is by uh you you you look at what has happened in the last three years on your claims. Now, some of you might remember just a couple of years ago, our high school when we had what was either categorized or not categorized as a tornado ended up putting a hole in the roof of the gymnasium in which we had a brand new gymnasium roof put in, brand new gymnasium floor, and everything from that that claim was over a million dollars. Our cost that we
020had on that claim was a deductible of $1,000. It's great for us there. But if you look at other insurance agencies and you say to them, you know, would you like to take us on an insurance, it's kind of like how your homeowners insurance, some of you have seen where you have maybe you didn't have a claim, but on Long Island it's gone up 25 to 30%. when you do have a claim, they looked at us and said there's no way we could come close to the rate that you would be paying. So that's something again we constantly look at. But this is one of the concerns we have. We also had a meeting with nice here because there are so many different claims that have gone against them to ask them how they are
021if they are going if this consortium is going to fold. Um, and we were made aware that their reserves are actually strengthening that we just had. And they also have what's called, you know, the secondary insurance where they have other insurance up to, if there was a catastrophe on Long Island because weather is changing, where they have uh insurance up to $450 million. So, we're hoping that we never have to use anything like that. But they're also in very they're still in good shape. Any questions on that part? Yeah, Charlie, I appreciate all the detail. Yeah. Um but between our health insurance and the PNC, the last couple years, the rates are just through the roof. Um how many vendors I know health there's only really two vendors? Can we use any commercial carrier or
022is it a list from New York State of who we can use? No. What you what you have and many of that that's usually decided through contracts what your insurance is going to be. And we use NISHIP which is many of them. You either would go NICHIP uh which is a New York state health plan or you become part of a consortium. So that's what you would have. What you might have noticed is NICHIP over the last couple of years had doubledigit increases prior to last year. Then just this past year was a very low one. And it was what I I last year when I was uh making the presentation, I said, "You're almost at the tipping point where I said N I believe NICHIP would come down pretty low because if they don't,
023you're going to start seeing districts moving to consortiums. Nice did not go up, but other ones like the East End plan or something like that, they had significant increases. So you can look at those areas, but but again, NICHIP still is one that seems more affordable than the other plan. And again, that's also something that would be negotiated in contracts if you were switching to that. Okay. And then on the PNC side, is it just nicer is the only vendor or do we have any other options? There are other places. I'll give one of the other companies is like a UDICA that you have or other vendors that would take on school districts. And those were talks that I did have with those people in which they said we're looking at your you know your
024history and we don't like your history because you know when you when you have one tornado you've you've really done a lot. So that's that's what it is but it's something that we always look at from year to year because it is a big number. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Hey, Charlie, could you get us a history um of our insurance coverage for maybe the last 10 or 15 years? How much we have? Not tonight, but I'll stop. I was ready. Right on. For the last 10, 15 years, uh I'm sure you have it at the top of your head. U how much money insurance companies have paid us versus how much we have spent for insurance. That's good to look. And and I will I will say that they've they've given us back more in claims
025in the short time I've been here than we've paid. But it is something that you look at also just so that you're aware whenever you do something like that and you have actuaries who always review these numbers that's what goes into what your percentage increase is going to be for future years. So that definitely is that also goes in workers compensation too. similar things, but I can get I can get something like that for you guys. And it's a stop-loss report. That's what I really look at. The next areas are security and transportation. Um the areas planning for the future. You're going to see these come up. We're increasing the number of security cameras. Not a massive increase, but looking at certain areas that we think that we need just for safety sake. Uh we
026also have upgraded the system that we have in this day and age. You always want to do that. And then you'll see updating our walkie-talkie devices or it'll also be known as radios whenever you see that. And you're going to see the way that some of the numbers have increased on what you're looking at for transponders and that and transportation. We maintain the number of routes that we had. Um, to give you an idea, some people would say, well, if not as many students are riding the bus, can we cut that out? The difference that you have here as opposed to some of your other districts is the amount of space that you cover. Your square mileage is considerably large. So it is tough to end up cutting those routes down because you would take
027a route that would go from 40 minutes and you would bring it up to almost an hour if you end up cutting that route and and really educationally sound. It's not good for a student to be on, you know, I'm I'm not a good one for being on something for 40 minutes. My legs cramp up as it goes, but whenever you're doing that for an hour, it takes away from the study time at home and everything in the morning, all the things that we're looking at. So this is the way it translates with the numbers. We talked about the additional cameras. The second one is that licensing that relay that I talked about. Uh that has gone up a little, you know, a little bit when you're talking about the budget. And then when you
028go down, there's an increase because of the radios. So there's certain radios that we have that we keep and then some of them that we will be replacing. The next area we're looking at from that was the transportation piece. I'll show you the second one down. You see that increase? We have an aging fleet. We have two large buses and we also have vans on our own that we run for some of our special education routes. Uh they are getting older. So the update and and and the upkeep of them has gone up, but you're going to see when we go down the numbers that it actually does help us. The van service that we run helps us out greatly. Um when you go down, there's an $11,000 increase for in district transportation. That's our
029contract with Sunrise Bus. I will tell you, the people at Sunrise Bus are gold. They are incredible. Um, it is a great relationship we have. And if you want to see budget presentations on transportation, look at some of the other districts and the numbers that they're going up. They're getting increases anywhere from 15 to 35% on transportation. We are nowhere near close to that. So, but the people at Sunrise, the relationship that we have, the positive relationship that we have between our offices is one that works out extremely well and they do a great job for us. Um, as you go down, you'll see a decrease there, an $86,000 decrease in one code, but an increase at the bottom of $100,000. Just to break that down for you, that's an out of district route that
030we used to be able to use Sunrise on. So, and that breaks down to a little over $7,000 a month for that route. $7,198. Everybody's thinking, "Wow, that's a tremendous number." Well, let me give you the other side of it. When you have to go through Abos's provider, that route is now $8,333 per month. So you have over, you know, an $1,100 plus increase per month for one of the placements that you have out of district. And that's what you do. People say, well, you get aid back on Boseies. You're not getting enough aid back to cover something like that. You already get transportation aid. So that's a play on words when you hear that. If other people are saying those things, you do get transportation aid and Bosey's aid. It does help, but again,
031it's a significant cost. Charlie, one of the questions I get a lot from parents is if there's an app to track the buses because they want to know, you know, when they're waiting in the morning or when they're waiting for kids to come home. Um, one, does Sunrise have anything like that available or is it a privacy issue? Um, yeah, something like that would be an app that you would tie into the what you have. Transfinder is is the system that you have. So it could be an app like that. There are some concerns with that. Privacy issues is is one of the concerns. Um other areas where there might be a concern with different people that are on the bus and not wanting them to know when other you know students or locations of
032that. So it is one there are apps for that. Um the one part that you know that we say at times is and it's the one thing that I think is a pretty good one that my wife is able to use is I've got my iPad uh my iPhone and she has hers and my find my location so I'm not able to sneak out and say that I'm anywhere if I'm you know on there. Uh but that is something where it is private where the person is. sometime whenever you have something that's a little bit different it opens it up to many but it's still something that can be brought forward and and it was looked at in the budget process I remember a year prior we had companies come in and kind of give
033us a demo on it and Sunrise came and and were part of the demo um but there there I don't remember the exact number but it was pretty expensive too okay yeah now on to facilities and also again just a Special thank you to Tom Kelly who's here with us. Does an incredible job with the group that he has and um also a thank you to all of the custodial workers, the maintenance mechanics and our groundskeepers cuz the place is in beautiful shape. Um area things that we have started on in our uh 2024 25 the year that we're in. We started a project the LED lighting that Tom brought to us through PSENG. Um it you're going to see that as expenses on one side and on the other side there are actually revenues
034because we do receive rebates. Those are one time those are going to be what we call one shots where you're going to see that budget number jump up in certain codes and then after the year it goes down because we don't have to do it anymore. But this is just to show you we talked about that the seal coating field renovation and the walk the walking path and the tennis courts. You see pictures there. That's our our library that we have right here in this building that those lights were already done. The tennis courts were done and we're look over the summertime where they've the compacting just continues to increase. So people are happy with that. Uh and then the other one we took the the picture up top that is the walkway that we
035have that actually goes out to the track and now it makes the track handicap accessible instead of going over uh a field if you have somebody with a wheelchair or something like that or if they're walking over with a walker. It's level ground that takes you out there. Um, the reason for the fence up there is not to cage people in, but it's because we also use that new field as you see down at the bottom. Now, we could use that both in the fall where you have soccer and also in the spring for lacrosse. So, we also thought it would be a very nice thing if we're allowing people to get out to that field that we don't kill them on the way out to that field. So, that's the reason why of the
036fencing to go over these areas. You're going to see uh the different number up top. The second number there is an increase of $66,000 which is in our equipment code and that's because we're going to be replacing air conditioning. We're going to put that throughout the district. Uh there are different rules that are coming into place about the temperature that's supposed to be in classrooms, whether it's appropriate or not. Uh we looked at a plan in which we would do air conditioning in all of the classrooms. So that's why you see that number up. Uh you'll see another number as you go down further down. There's a $94,000 increase, a $41,000 increase, and $103,000 increase. The first ones looking at that, as you saw when I talked to you about the codes, um the 10,
037that's Kutchrog East where we're looking at the LED lighting and shade replacement. That's going to be in the next slide. And then uh which goes and then the second code right down it's the same thing which is in our high school. The other part is that we have the $103,000 is also uh which is the operation of plant and maintenance. What that is the reason for that increase is we're going to be doing uh a ba bathroom repairs at Kutchog West which we're doing inhouse. The cost for the bathrooms alone to fix them was $80,000 per bathroom. Our people are able to do this inhouse for significantly less. Um I don't know was the number Tom maybe around $50,000 or was it for the in-house bathrooms because we're using our own people. It's close to
03870. Oh 70,000. I'm glad you know numbers. I'm not the the um the part. So, doing it inhouse saved us significantly on that. Also, in that area, we deal with uh different items such as um testing and all of that whenever we have abatements. You're going to see that come up in our next slide here. Hey, Charlie. Yes. And any of this equipment that we need, will any of it be affected by tariffs? Do we have it? Is it made here? Are we importing it? Well, I'm glad you said one of the things that we were just talking about was on the lighting project. The lighting project, we're seeing that there's going to be a significant increase if you go past a certain date. So, we're looking to try to find it. We're reaching out
039to the various vendors that we use, finding out if there's different items that we can actually purchase and and store properly to get that in before any of those concerns come up. a lot of that re the numbers that they're really worried about is a May date where the different concerns would come up, but many of these different items are from all around the world. So, but that is a good question and that's something that we're already looking into. Um, as you see here, the other part we talked about was the seal coating. That's the one where you see one go down and one go up. So, we switch we alternate parking lots from Kutchog East uh to the high school. Um the number right below that, the decrease of the 69,000, that's the oneshot
040deal, that was the field. Everything that we put into that field, that field is now in great shape. So, we do not need the money in that code because we're just maintaining that field now. So, the cost drops down. And this is the last area I was talking about. You see, and I I uh was talking a little bit in the previous slide. The last number you see there going up 32,500. First is we have a program. It's a health and safety program through Boseies that we continuously run. As you see, that's the $18,000 part. the additional $30,000 plus is for different air quality testing and lead testing that we have to look at. So, anytime we're doing any kind of project, we just want to be ready to be able to call and it's
041usually JC Brick is the people that we have on the Boseies bid, that's who we utilize and we do that through Boseies because then you end up getting a percentage of that money back. All right, Charlie, I have two questions on this section. Um, this might be more for Greg, but the tennis courts, I know we used a new material. Do you have feedback? Are the players happy with it? Is the Well, I think one of the things that came up is I think it came down to the compacting because whenever you first started, the compaction was nowhere near where it is now. So, people I think you had that plus getting used to it. So people have, when I say people, really, we should be talking about the students first. So they've they've uh
042been very happy with it. The other part that they're happy with is that it's a multi-purpose field. So you're able to take everything out and put that in in a spot. Now, we don't know what massive snowstorms are anymore, but I will tell you that whenever you're an athletic director and you're looking to get people out for spring sports and there's six inches of snow, that's an easier one for removal and you're able to use that as another field as opposed to the others. So, all of those things and with us, you could take the rain and and that it does help us because we're able to utilize that. Yeah, today we got maybe a half inch of rain this morning and then they can get out there and not tear up the field. So,
043yeah, that's good. Um, the other one I have is you look at the audio system at Kashog. So, I went to both the school plays and there's a lot of feedback on it. I don't know if it's the microphones or things. So, I I asked, you know, we had spoken and um so what I was told was I guess the first night they weren't hooked up, right? But then I was told that by the Saturday performance that it was hooked up right and that the sound was much better. Okay. Um my my Were you at the Saturday one as well? I was at the Saturday one and then Nemo last year like it's great the participation that we have and the kids did great. Yeah. But there's a lot of static and feedback. So I
044don't know if it's I know last year was definitely a problem but I was told that it was corrected. I know that we had invested in some additional equipment. Um but then it wasn't hooked up properly at the at the first one and then it was I went back a couple times on that. Okay. Um so and then uh the question the stage comes up. So that's why our actual next uh buildings and grounds meeting is going to be at KutchO East. Um because we had some numbers to come in uh for the stage repair and now we can go I want you guys to get your eyes on it and Okay. Is that something we can do in house or that's that's what I'm thinking that we can do. So I think we can
045do some repairs in house instead of having the whole thing redone and at the cost it was covenant. All right. Okay. As you see when we talk about the future projects we um the plan that was really presented by Mr. Kelly is one where we're looking at every classroom and it's a lighting, air conditioning and shade um proposal to change all of that in each one. And it's also the shades the reason why we're looking at as quick as possible. That's a safety and security, you know, issue that we want to make sure that everything is set in in that way. And then there's also what we have is a painting program that we're starting. We have basically a 100 rooms and we're looking at doing the painting of 20 rooms per year. So within
046five years and it'll be a consistent cost and it'll be throughout and it keeps on updating our beautiful facility. So that's what we're looking at. The other one you see is the bathroom update. That's what I spoke about at Kutchog West. And then the project that we have that already was voter approved and already set aside this summer is when we're going to be doing the front of this building uh with the Koopa. Can't do that during the school year because the permits that you need and also um the the workers that you're going to have in that area for safety sake, you have to do this whenever we're not using that area. So that is a go. And that is everything set. Purchase orders are already in place for that and everything was there.
047So that will be an area that you will see from a construction cost. Thankfully, we have everything set to go because you're going to see construction costs go up significantly on what your numbers are. Um you have Mr. Delari. Yes. Um has there been any discussion on adding storage for athletic equipment for the students? I know that's been brought up before. I I think that I think that there was a discussion I don't know Mr. Petra you might know better than than me. I thought that was discussion on for outdoor storage for the kids. Um we have plenty of internal storage uh in in near the the area but there was conversation and I'm going to defer to Mr. Kelly. I know I'm pretty sure there was a plan for the outdoor shelving near the
048booster club shack. Um, was our guy going to build some shelving in that area? Yeah, Mrs. Witsack could have board it up and saying the kids the bag and she's right the bags are all over the place. But internally there is are there places to lock up the the students um athletic equipment like their lacrosse sticks or um there uh they utilize um the area uh outside of Mrs. Collins's office. Um shelving's been put in that place and that's where they all go in the morning and and put everything there. Okay. So, it's not locked up, but it's um we haven't had any issues uh with equipment. Okay. Thank you. The next areas that we're looking at is um personnel and benefits followed by debt service and reserves. This is going to be your largest
049area where you're going to see the increase. But I want you to pay close attention. You know, you have when we look at salaries, we go through everything. We go through retirements, we go through needs, all the costs. So, there is an increase, but realize that's an increase over a $21 million piece of your budget. That's almost 50% of your budget, and it's going up $366,000. The next area that you have is an increase in ERS, the employee retirement system. Uh ERS, that is what the state um basically bills us for workers. The percentage from ERS which is established by the state this year is a 15.2%. Last year it was 16.5%. So that's the reason why there's significant jump. That also on the other end is one of the areas that we utilize the
050reserve in because we believed at the time that it was overfunded. you like to have in that reserve three times the amount of money that you would utilize for that as a safety net. The next area is TRS. That's the teachers retirement system. That's where your professional staff such as your teachers and administrators are in. And their increase this year is 9.59%. Last year was 10.11%. And just so people realize, if you start taking a number, you can't just multiply it by that percentage. which I said to get the new one. People's salaries change. So there are decreases and increases, but we multiply that number based upon our spreadsheets with all the support documents. So that's where we're looking at. The next area, it is a $50,000 increase, but on social security, but it's one
051of the areas that I think people don't fully understand. Um, in people's paychecks, you pay Social Security and FICA 7.65%. 65%. When you combine it, they make you feel good because they separate it in two and think the number's lower. You add it together, it's 7.65%. And then when you hit a certain number, a certain dollar amount, that's the maximum that's taken out for social security. That's for the employee. The employer doesn't matter what the salary is or the number that goes to it. No matter what, there is also a 7.65% 65% charge that the government takes from you for social security on all your amounts. So any amount of money that is paid out, you pay that tax on it. So I just want people to be aware of that. Um the health insurance
052is the area that we have projected increase. Now realize when we do that number, we've got to base that upon um a significant amount of people taking the health insurance. If people take a buyout then it helps us in that area. There also is a change whenever some people because when you hit age 65 uh nice ship is not your primary. Nice ship becomes your secondary. Medicare becomes your primary but that's whenever you hit 65. Uh none of us are anywhere near those ages. So it's very good. So we're in good shape. Um the other part that's the Medicare reimbursements that goes up based upon what we estimate what the numbers are going to be. The next area that you look at is our debt service. You had two different bond projects. You energy actually
053one was a bond a bond project for 14.7 million that was in 201516 that really ends in 202930. And then you also had what was called an EPC as you see there energy performance contract that ended up starting um I believe 20145 and it finishes 202829 that's the last payment. So you'll see that usually the principal goes up that you're paying interest goes down as the years go throughout. Um, one person might say, "Oh, do you you know what about refunding these projects?" Uh, just so you know, refunding is a and refinancing and refunding are the same thing. Refinancing is the nice name they say, but whenever you do millions of dollars, they make it exciting. They call it refunding. It's the exact same thing. What happens is you have paid into these so many
054years. So if you ended up doing it, it kicks the can down the road and you're going to be paying far more interest and you're not getting any credit for that significant amount of interest that you paid off on the major part. So seeing that you're so far into this project, it would not make sense to do any kind of refunding on these projects. But again, 2028 29 is the energy performance contract. At the end 202930 is your bond project that comes up with your serial bond. Now we talk about reserves. Uh one of the areas that you look at reserves are basically set up for specific areas of your budget and you cannot touch them unless it's specifically for that area or in some cases a board action would come to get rid of
055the reserve completely. So the second bullet you see an annual fund balance is the difference between actual revenue and actual expenditures. Uh we've been fortunate enough where our revenues exceeded our expenditures. You're going to hear some of the other school districts because before when I did the presentation, the last one, it had no school uh no school district on Long Island was going to pierce the cap. Since that time, one school district is definitely going to pierce the cap from what they say and others are looking into that because they're looking at what their other costs are. We're still in good shape that we do not have to pierce the cap. The other part is, you know, what do you do with a positive fund balance? Positive fund balance is whenever you take in that
056higher amount, you distribute that to your reserves. and you're going to see the list of reserves on the next page and or something like that is is you can make long-term planning on how you're going to utilize that money. You're going to see certain things like a repair reserve or that and there's going to be limits you could put in, but these are areas that you want to look. So, you want to have long-term planning and I'm going to go over the maximum amounts you could do on the next page. And then strong reserves are the one that helps you offset your borrowing. Each year the school school districts in Suffach County, just about all many of them have to borrow money because the first payment that you receive from taxes if you're in an
057area that gets a significant amount of money in taxes doesn't come in until January. That's what you look you're looking at the December January time. So you need to have money borrowed. They're called tax anticipation notes. You borrow that money from agencies such as banks to get you through to that area and then you pay that money back like our plan is. We pay that money back as quick as possible so we don't pay interest on it. So that's one of the things that you need to understand. And your reserves, the more money you have in the reserves, the less you have to borrow. And it also gets you a better rating uh your bond rating which means that your rates are lower. So now you'll see just to go over with your reserves. First
058one that you have is workers compensation. That's a reserve that you could fund to any uh any level that you want. That's something that we're part of a consortium. So we're very lucky to pay into that. But we have that reserve we have that reserve funded to the proper way. Same with unemployment reserve. That's a reserve that you utilize. And these numbers are all as of June 30th, 2024. If you need to see them exact, you can look at our external audit report. We keep everything online because transparency is what's most important when you're dealing with these things. The unemployment reserve is any people that you let go from a district and the amount of time that you have to pay depending on what the situation is. So, you always have that reserve. The next
059one is teachers retirement system. That's you saw that number that we have to pay each year. So this is a reserve that you could utilize to offset some of those costs. In that reserve, you can only increase it by 2% per year. So that is one of the important reserves to remember. This reserve is one of the newer reserves that was put in at the New York State level because they used to only have the next reserve that's there, the employee retirement reserve. And that's a reserve that you're looking at to have three times your number of what your cost is. One of the things that you will see in our revenue side of the budget is this is from last year. We're planning to take another 400,000 from this reserve to offset um the
060money. So that reserve will come down. Then you have what's called EBR that you hear about sometimes. That's the employee benefits acred liability. That's a payout for different people if they have negotiating their contracts where you might have to pay money due upon retirement. So that's the reserve that amount that you have in there. A repair reserve which drives us crazy every time because we keep on thinking we're repairing something and you could utilize that money and then you need a certain set of permits which shoots it from a repair project to a capital project. But that's a reserve that we have. And in our proposition that's coming up this year, besides opening up another capital reserve to fund up to 10 million, it doesn't mean that you have it in there. It just allows
061you to put additional money in. We are going to be taking 1 million from that repair reserve to put into that new capital reserve, provided it passes. And then our capital reserve, that's the amount of money that we have remaining there. And just realize you're going to be pulling that 700,000 number, but that's that's the amount you have that. And just so you know, we had a $10 million reserve that was fully funded. You cannot fund that anymore in capital if you set up a reserve. So you set it up for the 10 million. We funded it to that. We've done STEM projects. We've done the Koopa is going to be another one. We've done all our roof projects that are good now for I think it's 29 years now. So we got so we're
062going but that's what you have. Why do you have a capital reserve? The part that's important with that is you then can utilize that instead of putting a bond out to the community which is a definite impact on your taxes. Whenever you do it this way there is no tax impact you know an impact to the taxpayers. So because it's coming from there, the assigned is the amount of money that we take from one year that we have that's extra and and put it on for the next year. And then you have what's called the unassigned fund balance. You're going to hear different things from New York State where they say you can fund up to 4%. That's the one that you always hear. 4% 4% 4%. That's your unassigned fund balance. And people, what
063you always will do to be wise, you want to you want to fund that to the maximum that you can, the 4%. So that is 4% of what your budget is. So that's what you have there. Charlie, could you explain to me I know you did, but employee benefits, acrewed liability, like what when does that happen or if say you had a situation where the school district um school district closed down? Okay. Okay. And what you have is people have sick banks or um other areas in which they have money that was set aside. That's something or if it was in retirement and you had a situation uh where you had an employee where they receive a certain amount of money for sick days in a bank or that that they get paid out. That's
064the reserve you could take it from. Now, an important part that people need to understand is say you came up with a plan where um people had a sick bank and you're looking and and you want to give an incentive for retirements. Say we're looking at something down the road where you're you're thinking we're going to have to cut seven staff members. Now, we're not cutting seven staff members, just so everybody's here. We're not cutting any staff members, but say there was something down the road where you were looking at something like that and you wanted to offer an incentive and you say, "Look, the incentive we'll give is anybody eligible for retirement, we will pay you x amount of dollars for your sick days." And then on top of that, we're going to give
065you an extra $20,000 to retire. All right, which is nice. The part that people don't understand is the money that's going to be paid out for the sick days can come from this reserve. Okay. That $20,000 that you said, the extra kicker, that cannot come from this reserve. That has to come from your budget. And that reason why is because it's not based upon employee benefits acrewed liability because it's a bonus. And that's that's the part that people sometime that's where districts will get in trouble because sometimes they they don't have a complete understanding. Then the auditor comes in and then they make them reestablish an account and that's where you'll see significant numbers if they tried paying out of that reserve. Okay. Thank you. I have one other thing. Sure. We have one other
066thing. Oh, I'm sorry. That was one that was some other thing. Oh, he was going to ask it for me, but um we talk a lot about how much money we save because Tom, you do such a great job with with your guys and the guys work so hard. Do you have enough guys? Don't ask that question. I'm asking that question knowing that Sean's kicking me under the table. But you do you're doing so and so is dog. Actually, I'm going to be black and blue on both sides right now. I mean, we're on staffed electrician. Okay, thank you. Can I go? That was a very good answer, Tom. Shelley, do we have any building projects that we're going to need a permit from Albany? a building permit from Albany to do um not right
067on the horizon that we had. The last one, the Koopa and that the outside is because of scaffolding. So, we had to get a permit and it goes through a capital project. Excuse me. But we do not have any capital project proposed for the next school year. We would potentially the work at Kutchog West, which we would talk about, you know, a year from now. um getting some of that work done where we that would require some permitting. The question would be how long it will take to get a permit with everything that's going on in the government and and can we or is it worthwhile to try and get a permit ahead of time? We'd have to get the project, correct me if I'm wrong, we'd have to get the project approved first um
068by the taxpayers and then, you know, there are some unknowns. It it's anticipated that um numerous state uh positions up in Albany uh in the state department of education are funded through federal dollars. Um so it's anticipated they will take a pretty good hit um in personnel which may potentially back up um projects and things like that. So we want to stay on top of as as much as we can just like we've been doing but yes we might have to be a little bit more patient. Thank you. Charlie, I had a a couple questions. Um, how much is the tan usually each year? Uh, we usually go out for a $7 million tan. Okay. And we usually do that in two tranches or just one. We we go out for we go out for
069a tan and of $7 million, but it's really broken into two parts, a four million and a three million. It was it was a something that I that I had done before and it's something that you could do with minimal change in cost. The reason why we break it up into two ways, you need that 7 million to start off, but once we receive our money, we pay back a significant portion of it. It's like we said, a three and a four million so that we're paying the interest off, not paying the interest on all of the days through June. Um, but that's that's what we'd end up doing. So, could we self-fund that with the money we have in reserves and save the $180,000 in interest costs? No. Because what you're doing is you
070actually you do what's called a cash flow that they have to look at. We end up utilizing whatever we have in our monies and our reserves. You are not permitted to use. We well actually they they don't want you to you look at any reserves. What we do is you do not utilize your money that's in your capital reserve. So we do that to bring down the dollar amount of what we need for that tan for the year. Right. Um and then the capital reserve that is going to be on the ballot if that passes would we be able to move any money from the repair reserve or other reserves to fund that? Yeah. What's going what you're going to see is the wording that is going to be in the proposition because it has
071to be in the proposition. The wording that will be in the proposition is that we would look at the capital reserve but also at the same time if it approves uh if it gets approved we would be moving $1 million from the repair reserve to that capital reserve. The other part that's on the capital reserve is at no time would we be able to you could put up to a maximum of $3 million per year in that. So, it would be a project that would take a number of years to fund, right? Um, just to show you the repair reserve that you have and these are certain things in board minutes. Uh, again, you could fund that up to $750,000 per year. We just can't get any money out of it. So, it's it is.
072But I will say it the part that is nice is that you're actually through a board resolution and for voter approval, you're able to take it out of there. Some of the other reserves are far more restrictive, right? And do we replace the boilers in this building yet? You're going to have you're going to see that as you're you're going to see your next big project that I think you would tie in to whenever your other bond comes off. There's going to be a number of items that you're going to see that you're going to have to replace. Okay. You'll be looking horizon. I just wasn't sure. The burners have been replaced, but the boilers themselves are the original. Okay. All right. So now now that I've really driven some of you crazy with some
073of the numbers that you've looked at, now I made a simple math equation for you. So this is what New York State gives us to talk about how you get the tax levy cap. The governor and everybody preaches what this is 2% 2% 2%. I'm going to show you exactly what that means. um because it's one part of a significantly large formula. So, I'll walk you through it as it relates to this school district. What you do is you start off with the amount of money that has been levied on the taxpayers from the from this school year, which is that $40 million number. You multiply that by a growth factor, which New York State hands down to everybody. The growth factor is at least a one. So it can't be below a one. And
074it goes from any formula that they believe is what your growth factor is in your community. You then add your pilots that you've received in your prior fiscal year. That means this year as opposed to next year. You take off your capital tax levy exclusion. That's your numbers that you've seen on your bond project. and Boseis's capital projects. And then you also subtract the tors. The tort exclusion is if you spent more money on legal fees over 5% of your budget on legal fees. Thankfully, we did not spend more than 5% of our budget on legal fees or or and legal claims. So, that's where you get that. Then you multiply it by that great 2% that they talk about. So that's where it goes. After you multiply it by 2%, you then extract the
075pilots that you believe that you're going to get. If you have any carryover, you add that to it. You get your tax levy limit number, which is the 40.5 million, and it goes down to the bottom. Once you take that 40.5 million, then you add in your capital tax levy. You also add in if there were any increases by more than 2% in ERS and TRS. Just to give you an idea, last year was a little over $3,500 was in that. A little over $3,000 was there because ERS went up by more than 2%. This year they did not like as I um as I said with the numbers, they were within the 2% difference. And then you get your tax levy limit with exclusions of 42,25,121, which is your third number here on what
076your allowable levy is. That would be a 3.06% increase. the budget overall because you have other funding source that go in. It's a four what's being proposed is a $46.7 million budget where budget to budget it's a difference of 3.13%. The tax levy that that we came up with by reviewing everything. We didn't go right to that allowable levy number. We came to what the needs are which is 42,16765. And it's the amount under the cap. As I showed in the last presentation, you had so many districts going to the cap and then you had a magic number of districts that said we came in below. They came in $1 below or $2 below and one was $3 below. You know, which that's playing with numbers. These are true numbers that you have. Now, if
077your budget doesn't pass and fails on two consecutive times, you go to what's called a contingency budget. And that shows you that there's a $1.2 million decrease that you have if you had to go from your proposed budget to contingency budget. So that's a significant increase. But thankfully, I think when you talk about transparency, the questions that I think you're seeing, I think if I'm a taxpayer in this community, I'm pretty happy because I see the questions that are being brought by the board members, the way that the process went with all the the stakeholders involved. Um, usually the budgets are in very good shape because they see that and we appreciate the way people come out and and ask their questions and vote on it. So that's what we're looking at. Uh one of
078the other areas to let you know and is a concern because some people say well if you have reserves or different items of that um going back to Mr. Mr. Petr gave a presentation and it was a little bit on on your question about what we could lose. Um the school district ends up receiving what's called foundation aid. You receive aid from New York State. Our foundation aid that we receive is a little over $1.8 million. That's the That's the one that Governor Hokll last year wanted to cut 45% of if you were what's called safe harmless. Safe harmless means they have a formula which is even crazier than that tax levy cap that you saw. It's twice as long and it's on your formula based on enrollment, uh, your ELLL population, your special ed
079population, all different beautiful letters. If I ever had to translate them for you, you'd lose your mind, you know. But what happens is what the government, what the New York State government has done, and instead of going through that formula, they've just thrown like 2% on 3% 2% and said we don't want to go through all this with the way it is. Well, the governor is finally saying that now that a lawsuit that came out that some of the districts were getting underpaid, they finally had to pay out. So, districts, you've seen some of the other districts where they get um I would say districts that are are um of lower wealth were underfunded by 45% 50%. And you started seeing some of those districts getting $50 million more in foundation aid, $25 million more
080in foundation aid. All those numbers. Well, the state, it wasn't by their great intentions, even though they'll tell you that it's because of a lawsuit. They had to pay it out and it had to be over a certain number of years. Now that they hit that last year, they started saying, "Well, if we had to pay all that out, now we want to take from the people who shouldn't get all this money." So, that is where you get that $1.2 $.2 million plus decrease. This year, an election year, foundation aid's not going to be touched. Money is going to be added to it 2% by the governor. The executive uh the other branches of government have proposed 3%. It's probably going to remain at 2%. We we put the numbers in on what we think
081it is. Um but in years to come you're going to see that as a decrease. Um so that's that's one of the things that the concern is and if you do see that decrease how can Matatuck Kutchog school district survive with all the programs that we offer everybody and take hits like that because it's a pothole. I always say that word, the pothole. It's because if you build up your strong reserves, you look at a plan like that to try to help you get through the tough times to hopefully get to the other areas. So that's just to give you, you know, a little take on that. And then the last part is on Tuesday, May 20th, that's when our budget vote is. Uh 3 to 9:00 p.m. Uh different seats. I believe there are
082different seats up on the board. You'll see down there that the information has to be in by April 21st, 2025 at 5:00 pm. If you're interested in running for the board, you can pick up a packet for this. And there are certain requirements that are needed, you can touch base with the district clerk and then you get that in and then your name will go on the ballot if you satisfy those areas. And that's it. If there any other questions yet, I have two more. Um I don't know if you can address them, but I'm sure Sean knows the answer. So, I saw um there's a driver's ed car, not in this budget, but the other one. Do we buy that through Boseies or do we, you know, pick what we want? Competitive bid pricing.
083Competitive bid pricing. Yeah. Okay. It's on a cooperative bid and that's the reason why we ended up getting the car at that. Okay. And similar to Doug's question, I mean, tariffs are supposed to hit the auto industry. Do we expect that the price in the budget is going to be close or should we budget more for that item? Well, that item is not not in this year's budget. That car was bought last year. So, it was in last year's budget. It was bought last year and it's actually out of this year's budget. That's why that line decreased. Okay. All right. That's good. Um, and then the science curriculum for the elementary school, did we purchase that already or that's to be purchased over the summer and then rolled out? Um, I would have to I
084would guess that it's going to be purchased over the summer, but I'm not exactly sure. I'd have to ask. Yeah, I can Mr. Petray just to help. I I can go over that is one of the things that they've reviewed all of those curriculums, came up with the one they wanted, ended up getting some of the materials in now as to demo, but the purchase of it is going to be over the summertime. It's in it's one of those July one purchases that we would have. Okay. And just generally when they purchase curriculum, is there like an approved list from New York State or can the district do whatever they want as long as it hits the items that New York State wants you to teach in that grade level? There's there's a list of
085approved curriculums that you know that are recommended and we would review and choose. Okay. So oftent times when we make curriculum choices, we bring it to our teachers um and get their input and insight in it. um because it's often not just the curriculum, it's also instructional materials and stuff that go along with it. Okay, great. Do we know if I know April 1st is the budget date, but since we're never on time, do we know? Have we heard anything? No, last year it actually came in on time. Um did it? Yeah, but uh this year it's not. It's it's lagging and uh there's a couple things that uh the governor's trying to get into the budget. So, we don't have any wallpap. No. Anybody else have any questions before we move on? No. Okay.
086Let's see. Um, I need a motion to accept personnel items A through C. I'll make a motion. I need a second. A through E. A through E. Oh, this is C. Second it. Wait a second. Wait a second. So, I need a recommendation for personnel items A through E. Motion. I'll make a motion. I need a second. Yes. Any discussion? All in favor? I. And now it's time for audience communication again. Anybody want to talk? You can come up here, tell us your name, where you're from, and speak. Welcome. Hello, my name is Julie Dantes. Um, I have four kids in the district, so I'm here for another 15 years. Um, one thing I just wanted to kind of asked for for my kids, because they will be coming eventually into the high school, is
087I'm not from here. Um, I'm from Missouri and 30 years ago our district switched from traditional scheduling where you have seven classes, you're squeezing everything in, you've got homework for seven classes every night to what's called a rolling eight block. And I have to say it was fantastic. Um, it's set up so that the junior high and the high school you have an A day and a bday. You have four 90minute classes a day and on one of the days there was a designated period we called it VIP, which was like a home room. It's where we got to watch. Um the journalism class did their news programs. We would have pep rallies during that period. If we were delayed for snow, they could switch it around. So we lose that period and everything stayed
088the same. So you're not always like taking from the same class that's going around. It was also great because during that 90 minutes, we had peer um peer tutoring. So there were a bunch of kids who were down in the light in the cafeteria and if you needed help with calculus, you needed help with algebra, you could come down and another student would be there to help you. You also could say like I'm having trouble with math and your math could send for you your math teacher and in that 90 minute you could go talk to your math teacher. You could talk to your English teacher. If in history you guys were doing a group project, you didn't try and have to find like whose parents house or who could drive you. you could get
089together during that VIP, that 90minute block that you'd either have two times a week or three times a week and get those programs done. It was also great because for homework, you had that 90 minutes that you knew was going to be there and you could block to get your homework done. It was also great if you were in lots of sports and clubs and everything else. So speech and debate, all those kids would come together and their VIP was together. So instead of trying to just do like our get ready for our the programs and the um debates and the things like that during our scheduled class, we also had that VIP that we could work together on. Jazz band, they were all together. Advanced choir was all together. A lot of the um
090varsity sports, they were all together so that they were able to like have that extra time. um history club, you could have your executive meetings during the school hours and it really allowed for a lot of flexibility and really to like get into the subjects. It also helped for um student athletes and athletes and students who have to work because instead of knowing that, okay, I have this assignment and I have to get all five of these things done today, but I have lacrosse and I have a church class and I have this going on and I have this going on and I'm gonna be up until midnight doing homework. You could learn to schedule your days and knowing that, okay, this is my homework project, but I have two nights to get it done.
091So, you could vary and change things around or you could know that you had some time blocked out during school to get it done. And it really did help as like going for a student um going, you know, like the experience and not having that stress of trying to push everything in that we're, you know, kids want to do these days. Um, and sitting in the classes, it was really great because instead of trying to go in, hand in your homework, learn something new, and walk out the door. We got to go over your homework. The teacher got to have time to feedback. Did you guys learn what we were talking about last time? Did everybody get it? Okay, everybody got it. Let's move on. Oh, half of you didn't get it. Let's take a
092few minutes and review so that you weren't losing kids. And then you would have more than enough time to get through your lesson and even start on some of like if it was an essay for an English class or if you had qu kids had questions there was time to answer them. If you were in a math class you could say okay we've got 15 minutes at the end everyone starts your homework and you could find out right then and there oh I don't get this. Oh we definitely need help with this. And so you it really academically was great. Um, and I would, like I said, my district started this 30 years ago, and I was one of the first kids to go through it. This district actually had to raise the requirements to
093graduate because going to this schedule allowed kids to take more classes and to get through more classes because semester classes became a quarter class. Um, so that they had to raise the credits to graduate because kids were graduating too early. and they got to have I don't know it was just it felt almost more like a college experience where you have more time with your teachers you have to schedule your time better for like getting things done. Um and I don't know I would just love this this district to look into it. I know no one else on Long Island does it but it was really great for families for students and I you know and for the schools 30 years later they're still doing it. um because uh I don't know, we moved, my
094husband's from here, but I agreed to move to this town because it was the best district on the east end when we looked at it. Um and I fear that we're losing that reputation and people aren't moving to this district. Families aren't. So like whatever we can do to stand out to be like that shining district on the east end again because people are moving this way and I hear from people and friends and from you know we spend a lot of time on the South Fork as well talking about the different districts and if we're not the shining star they're not moving here and it part of the reason like we're losing kids and I'm terrified of how small this high school is going to be when my kids get here. So thank you.
095Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? So, could curriculum committee look at scheduling and see what uh what was it called? Rolling. It's called rolling. Rolling. It's like a rolling class. I would think Mr. Patre could talk to his principles and start the conversation in in that realm and then maybe move over to curriculum if if we have enough information. It was it was really great. You got to go got into programs and taking shop classes and instruments and things like that. You really got to get into it instead of just kind of get in get your instrument out. And what grade did you say your children are in? Um my children I have a three-year-old, first grade, third grade and fifth grade. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Anybody else? Okay. I need a motion to adjurnn.
096Make a motion. I need a second. Second. There's never a discussion about adjourning. So, thank you for coming and thank you for speaking. We never have anybody speak, so thank you.