001on his way and suggested we start without him and and we will do that. Um and uh we will do as we often do. I will say who I am right now and I'm Eve Bolton a board member and chair of the committee and we'll go around the table and introduce ourselves and then we'll get to our business. My name is Michelle D with district teachers commission. My name is Isaac K internal audit supervisor for the district. Good day everyone. Shauna Murphy superintendent. Brandon Craig board member. Kevin Ashley, director of financial reporting and transparency. Nan Hag state and federal programs manager. Good morning. Jennifer Wagner, um, treasurer and chief financial officer. Dan Ho, general counsel. Phyllis Davis, board's administrative assistant. She's got their choir voice on there. Rob Wilson, technician. And if you'd like to
002speak during this meeting in public, please click the hand icon. We'll ask you your name and association to the district and we'll invite you to speak at the end of the meeting. Thank you. Thank you. And we have a guest today. Would you like to introduce yourself, sir? Thank you very much and appreciate the heads up call. Um, we're going to move around the agenda. We have a unusually short agenda for us, but it's because everything is kind of large discussion and trying to get ourselves ready also for Monday night so that we can have an effective and decisive kind of uh meeting. But we'll start uh and I it's possible that uh general counsel Hoy knows a little bit about the policy 5113 which is the inter in interd district open enrollment or is
003this supposed to be on our agenda yet or if you can help us understand that? Uh it was uh included in last month's policy meeting because um we do a regular cycle of review of policies and this one came up. uh the committee the policy committee asked for us to bring it back with a bit more information including the financial impacts and also what other districts in southwest Ohio are doing with respect to interd district open enrollment uh I'm sorry in yes interd district right so districtto district uh and we expect that to be back on the policy committee agenda in September or October I think is what they they requested okay thank you and appreciate interest in in what it might mean uh financially or because it does fit actually enrollment fits into kind
004of our financial planning um for obvious reasons. Uh and maybe doing that uh just to be relevant perhaps we can skip to the the bottom of the agenda for the other business and the treasurer would like to share with us some thoughts that we've all been having um particularly about policy development. Treasure Wagner. So yes, good morning. Um, so the thought occurred to me that several policies of in the past have gone through that had had a financial impact. Um, but that uh we weren't aware of that until after the board approved the final policy. So my request or suggestion would be that any policy that has a final financial impact go through finance committee before it goes to the whole board for a vote just for evaluated purposes and making sure that it's already
005in the budget instead of on top of or a new item in the budget. How if I could ask how wide how widely would you cast that net? I mean, conceivably almost everything has some sort of financial impact. Or maybe maybe I'm overstating that. That might not be the case. I don't know, Dan. And Brandon, you might know better than I on that. I would say I think uh the idea posed by the treasurer might work a little bit better to be ones that are not budgeted, that have an unbudgeted impact. And whether that is good or bad, in theory, if we do a policy that would actually lower costs, we'd want to have that come to us as well. Yeah. um as well as ones that would increase. But there are things that would
006be unbudgeted. So not currently within the budget, not currently a budget line item or andor something that would not have been conceived at the time the budget was created. Um or that could significantly change makeup of how the budget is considered. um because I could you know again potentially see some open enrollment is a great example of one where it would have a distinct impact on um enrollment numbers um but also potentially you know specifically in certain schools having a greater impact than others and so it could it certainly be something to bring back through for our review our discussion um the only thing I would maybe say is I do think that we have certain things that have to come to budget first as a policy before it goes to policy and we have
007some that now would kind of go the opposite direction. Correct. So I would think maybe some way of distinguishing those things that are started in budget and finance from those things that like these are only the things that are outside of what starts in budget and finance that would have an effect on the budget that that's not within the current budget structure or not planned within the current budget structure. Sure. So the things that come to finance first are just the financial policies. Yeah. Um but there are there have been times in the past where something got adopted in student achievement that added cost to the budget unbeknownst to us. I mean it was totally innocent, but then we're scrambling to find money to pay for that thing. And um it if we could have
008that conversation before it becomes a fact um it could be that it has to be delayed until the next budget year or somebody gets directed to do a budget transfer to move money to cover it. So okay Danny you getting some of the sounds right to me. Yeah that sounds right. My my only uh add well I think Ron took care of everything but my my last ad would be I don't I wouldn't want that to be something where people can broadly interpret the goals guard rails or priorities or strategic plan and say well that's so I like the idea that is it budgeted or it's not budgeted already because the seven of us can think of a reason to add almost anything I mean and use our our goals and guard rails So, um,
009yeah, some language that it's it has to be pretty, I think, specific or or what have you. Yes, Jen, I was just going to say that was my intent for not that everything that had a financial impact because you're right. Just about every policy has a financial impact one way or the other, but um, mostly just kind of the new things or the changes that come up that we need to be aware of. Okay. Superintendent, anything? Yes. Yes. As I'm listening to the conversation, I'm thinking about kind of a checklist in my head to to make sure there is a cross reference. Okay. So, put as a process piece. As a process piece. Great. One of the thoughts is I think one thing that might help with this as well is the idea that we
010will be tasking policy committee to think more than just about whether or not just about the policy itself but the potential impacts because I think to that point we can make an HR policy for instance change that may have significant changes on how we participate or govern or act um with within our employees that we don't generally think about because we may say we already have X Y and Z being Right? So we may simplify a system that may have an impact on how much money we have to spend on X or what roles are needed for X that we don't think about in real time because all we're really thinking about or all the policies been tasked with is to think about the language of the policy itself. And I think that gets a
011little bit to the treasur's point which is that then something happens and we go why are we doing this differently now? Why has this all changed? Where did this impact come from? And it all comes from the policy. This is getting us to think more holistically about how our policies affect how the district operates. So I can see also there be times where we may have to look at a health and safety issue that may require us to talk about it in uh in Cal or it may have an effect on some curriculum program that we were doing that may change what we decide to do in other spaces based on the policy change that we don't generally talk about in board meetings. So I think that's good. I I would add thinking of piggyback
012on that. I would think those things too that add staffing. I'm kind of thinking in terms of uh uh other items that might be added as policy that actually would require us to hire people to do it. So I think anything that adjusts staffing needs or demands because if it's policy, it's policy. Uh and I think that would it's another issue. But if we can send uh that back to policy uh what about how do we send now this idea can we put try to put this idea uh on policy's agenda for uh August or something or what what are your thoughts Dan? Sure. Yeah. Uh we'll bring this conversation back and make sure uh the policy chair is aware of uh great thoughts from the finance committee. Thanks Jen. Is that good for you?
013Yes, ma'am. Thank you. All right. Um, let's uh if we could before we start to talk about uh budget uh let's kind of go down to some of the new business if we could uh regarding this discussion that we have to have. There he is. Uh that we have to have regarding new business one and two the final annual annual appropriations resolution and also the 26 annual appropriations resolution draft. can. So, they're both they're both annual requirements um that will be voted on Monday night on the 23rd. The first one is just closing out the current fiscal year. Um and you know, they're estimated to the best of our ability since we still have one more payroll to run, but um then the 26 appropriation, we're recommending to go with a temporary 30-day extension. We
014have we can go up to 90 days, but because we still don't know what the state's budget's going to be and what changes are going to be implemented during um conference committee, it's hard to vote on a final budget. Jen, when does the when do we anticipate knowing what the state budget's going to be? Uh towards the end of next week, I believe. Is there after your last board meeting of the fiscal year? Perfect timing. Okay. So, we're scheduled to meet and decide things on the 23rd with a lot to decide, but and we wanted very much uh especially member Craig particularly uh waving that banner uh not to have to uh have anything that even remotely looked like a temporary. But can you help explain since you're pretty hard rock about that too? So,
015the budget target was built off of the House version of the bill at 624 million. Um, the Senate bill would have reduced that by $6 million. And some of the property tax language, if gets approved, will be a dramatic decline in our revenues. Um, and so I'm very concerned about what's going to get passed and our ability to adjust to it that quickly. So, and everybody chime in if you have anything. Uh, so I think the 30-day under the premise that we still need to do our responsibilities to decide on things prior to the the end of this month. Like I think that's fine with me because that really is based on us needing to do additional steps um in order to adjust to or address whatever changes happen from revenue end. my and that's
016where I think from our end I'm fine with it if we've handled our expense end to get us to that at least that 624 number and that's my fear is that what we will do is do just the extension and say well that means we get more time to wait on the other stuff and so I I think the appropriation uh resolution is is fine with me based on that idea that is based on whether or not our revenues will actually match to what we are expecting or what we were originally expecting, right? So, we're still about $4.5 million away from that original target. Um, and um that's tremendous improvement right there. Yes, it's tremendous. Very painful process, but yes. And let's let's go back because then when last we met was June 2nd, it
017was significantly higher than that. It was around 19 or 20 or something. I don't know. It changes every day. So, it's exactly. That's not because we don't know what we're doing. It's the reality from Columbus and Washington and whoever else and refining things, right? So, um the uh superintendent and I are going to be asking for some board action Monday night that will help close that gap. Okay. Um Jim, you have But just keep in mind the gap's going to change. So, you sound like a broken record, but if if I Oh, go ahead. I'm in agreement with Brandon on the 30 days concept looking at especially on the revenue side. So I'm comfortable with that. Yeah. So there's a board meeting scheduled for July 9th and that's when we're going to come back with
018a final final. If if I if I could expand on what both of these gentlemen have said and I think it is the will of the United Finance Committee and the administration. It would seem to me based upon even how we've done the agenda for Monday night and the administration is presenting the things that have to be decided upon, you would be having another board meeting to vote hopefully on July 9th. And what we we wouldn't be voting like here's everything all at once. we and we might want to go through how far we already are on the budget as to what we've been what's been determined, but the idea that that July 9th ideally should just be what the administration would be recommending to the board um as the adjustments needed to be made
019in light of what the state has done or what we know from Washington that everything else should have hopefully been decided on Monday night as best we could. Uh, and you guys have said there's I think there's seven or eight votes that we're going to need to be taking, including cuts and including uh uh other kinds of really exciting things as well, contracts and what have you. I mean, that would be my hope because we do not want to do the, you know, and Brandon yells at this all the time about if we change too much what the number looks like or we we delay our votes or delay our decision making. It's time to decide and we've been deciding, but this is it. Brand. Yeah. Yeah, I mean again I think if we haven't
020committed to what will get us to even the 624 number I don't know that we would be able to get to a lower number as likely is the case to happen. I do think it will be helpful and and what was presented to us on um Monday is that we start with that idea of here's the things that needs to be decided which is the way the agenda is supposed to work and that we as a board then vote on some things to go through that process because I think that's my frustration is that we basically usually use the 90-day to avoid votes in the past. Um, so if we haven't voted, it almost seems pointless to do the 30-day because I don't know that we're going to get any closer on the July 9th
021meeting unless we start scheduling a bunch of other extra meetings um which no one really wants to do during July anyway. But um but if we if we're able to do their part as a board and do the responsible thing that we should be doing, then it makes the 30-day appropriation more realistic to do. Um because otherwise I think it's just failure on our part and we should just treat it as a failure and do the full 90 days to give the reality set end. Uh and that that's not because it's something I would vote for. It's something that we just have to do if we're not going to vote on things in a timely manner to give the treasurer and the superintendent time to do the things that are necessary and the people who
022work at the district the time that's necessary. because I think that's the other part that I'm slightly worried about in us delaying some of the votes last time was that we're going to have some people who are likely not going to be able to find opportunities in the same group in the same space because they're going to be losing opportunity here and I don't think it's necessarily fair to them either. So I I for me it's about fairness in in all parts of the process and I think this is a good way to get to that get closer to that and I would suggest as long as far as we know we will have all seven board members here Monday but when we get to July 9th it's very possible we'll be down to five
023uh and that changes the vote as well. Superintendent and thank you so much. I just want to um the treasurer and I have worked really really hard um to outline just as what you're saying board member Craig and that is to at the beginning of the presentation these are the things that we're going to ask for your uh yes on and again at the end and hopefully there will be at least five or six votes that are u helpful to move this process along to be uh generous and kind and fair to as many people as possible. It also must be said that if that July 9th meeting is happening, it's possible then we would not have the regularly scheduled one July meeting uh later possibly. But also between uh the 23rd, Monday night, and
024the 9th and in between that the state passes the budget and the governor signs it. There's not going to be a lot of time for board to reconvene as we have found out and think and and delay or talk about. It's really going to have to fall very much to the administration as to what the adjustments have to be uh recommended as to meet the reality of the state. Um and board members are going to have to understand that I think to get through. So that's my little two cents worth. Um can we talk uh now a little bit about some of the things that are happening uh in Columbus that we have been worrying about and I know part one of the things is what's uh interested from the media is the is changes
025in metro changes in transportation there's been all kinds of stuff about taxation and I don't know we lead with the treasurer and then go to the superintendent and I know board members are very well aware of of some of the things that are happening um in the state and we can also uh get some input from uh from uh Michelle as well I think. So if you wanted to start with Metro I can't really speak to that. I've been focusing on the property tax ones. I don't know if Dan or the superintendent can address that. Yes, absolutely. Update us. Happy to do so. So you I'll take us back to last school year and even prior to last school year, we uh had conversations around allowing young people who were in broader range schools to
026utilize the yellow bus transportation for our seventh and eighth graders. Going into this school year, uh the board did agree to um and ask that we put the seventh and eighth graders back on the metro. for the most part, those were the young people in the 7 to 12 buildings primarily. And so we did that uh this year. And uh so part of our ask for this upcoming school year and the board has already given us the green light and we are working with Metro uh to make adjustments and changes there to add the remaining seventh and eighth graders to uh Metro which uh we did the bulk the majority of them for this current school year. The remaining seventh and eighth graders will be addressed for the upcoming school year. Comments board members? Right.
027So I think two comments. One is something we talked about at the financial town hall which we got a little bit of an update from uh Representative Isisen um that some language that had been put in that would have made it difficult to uh place some of our seventh eighth graders onto or some of all of our students onto the metro was removed from the Senate bills language. So that was actually very helpful in that sense to get um the reality that it's just difficult to transport students across large swaps of land. Um the the transfer piece again. Yeah. So the idea was that they were putting in law that you could not that a student could not transfer and that more explicitly that the carrier would have been held responsible for students using transfers
028or going through like a transfer hub location. Um, again, I think that really was punishing every part of the process, but only would really hit urban communities in large part because they're ones who use public transportation in that way. Um, so I do think that's a it's a positive to not have that in the language that was passed. It is not a it doesn't it put our our put Metro in a bad spot because it would have also meant that they would have been having to enforce not allowing a student to go through a transport hub even if they were going somewhere else to go to work or to do any of these other things that students might do after school and using their own resources. So I think that's kind of kind of acknowledging
029that that that was not a good idea, right? Um, I do think the only the only question I had, and this maybe goes a little bit into part of the discussion we were having earlier about when we make policy changes for seventh and eighth graders who are at schools that were K8 that are outside of the district that we provide transportation for, are we um what are we doing with regards to those students? Even though our students are six, seven, eight will go eight onto Metro. I'm thinking about like the schools that we have to still provide transportation for um that are outside of our district, right? So, thinking broadly, but board member Craig, I might have to return to this if you're outside of our district. I don't I mean like the charters and
030the private schools and stuff that we still have to provide transportation to. Um but are not necessarily I'm okay. Thank you for that because I I was misunderstanding thinking outside of our district. I don't think we were providing yellow bus transportation for them anyway. So, I will um circle back to Mr. Burkhard who's out of office today to make sure I give you the most accurate information. Absolutely. Yeah. Because I think that's the only that was the only concern I had is that typically what we've generally done is try to provide similar if not the same bus service for the the students who are in the district who attend schools that are not CPS schools. Um, and so that may have some alterations or changes that would function for them since their schools are not
031set up the same way as ours are. General counseling might have an add to that. Yeah, that's absolutely right. We're required to provide the same transportation for charter prochial non-pub schools within our district that that we provide for our own students. And in addition to that, um there's a rule that says that uh transporting eighth graders or below uh on Metro bus, you have to have the school's permission. So unfortunately, they'll they'll likely be CPS kids that are uh that are assigned to Metro uh while some uh non-pub schools will will continue to have yellow bus or uh a payment in lie of transportation as well. To my recollection, that's one of the few exceptions about fame or similar service. Specifically saying three years ago when they wrote this law, I think it was three
032years ago, maybe two, specifically saying, "Yeah, you can put the CPS kids on Metro, seventh and eighth grade, but you cannot put the charter kids or the parochial or private school kids that are seventh or eth. It's classic. Two two different rules, two different class systems. uh ours versus theirs. But yeah, it would be we'd be saving a significant amount of money if we if that same or similar rule was in effect instead of the exception which well and I will say I and that may be a question for Mr. Burkhard also is you know in theory we save money because we change routes and we have time efficiencies and that type of stuff for yellow buses so we need fewer yellow buses. I don't know that that's necessarily true if like kids going from
033K to six are taking a yellow bus in and to the charter school and then the seventh and eighth graders aren't. I I mean we might still save money because we might need like one less bus or that type of deal, but I don't think we we we and this is a weird part about we've talked about this before about tracking cost. We don't I don't think we pay per student on the yellow bus in the same way we pay per student on Metro. like we pay for the bus and like the fuel costs in the routes and that type of deal, but like we don't pay like $300 extra dollars for that next student on the yellow bus. I don't know I don't know the reality of that, but I do very visually remember
034a slide that said something about $350 versus $3,000 per child uh per child. But you're right, it's all the things that go into it. And I know that the treasurer and others have worked from the example that we it seems like it wouldn't be cost-effective to have two different vehicles going to the same place. Got that and we were living with that for a while and then I think somewhere along the line it's been determined that the cost per kid is such and with all the re uh organization of middle schools and whatever we've kind of I think gotten rid of the two vehicles to the same place. it may not be as um uh unfortunate as uh other ideas. So the other piece was keeping the kids out of those transfer centers because this
035was emanating from Dayton Dayton I believe um because there had been some terrible thing that happened in the transfer centers but that law is did not go through. you're saying it's in the House version of the budget, but was not in the Senate's version, and we're hopeful that that it won't be in the conference committee's version as well. So, there is still the op the possibility that no transfer. It's hard to see to to board member Craig's point, it's hard to see how you run a mass transit system without having the use of mass transit hubs. So, I that's it's really complicated to figure out how that would work. Uh but so but it was a proposal that came out of Dayton out of a kind of tragic situation and um I I think in
036Cincinnati we've we've we've had our own share of issues at transit centers but worked with the community to try to get through some of those I think uh in a in a positive way and and once we eliminated our uh extra routes all of these things started to happen uh as well. But but uh I mean Metro has said any number of times publicly how few of our kids actually have multiple transfers to get from their home to school and that it's really uh significant that there's very few that even have the one transfer. So they have the ability to have some direct routes but it's inconceivable to make that happen for everybody. Yeah. I mean, I think the the truth is that you can't run a district in which students who are going to
037an art school, who are going to a magnetic school program don't have to traverse your city. Um, and then the reality is also students don't necessarily go strictly home school home, right? So, we know that a number of our students don't have to take transfers. may choose to sure for different reasons or they may choose to go a different route because they're going to their job, they're going to their other parents house, they're going to all these different different reasons. I think taking care of their little siblings. The reality and this is something that we're still working with the city to figure out the best way to do is that you have to make sure your the transportation is still safe and that students who get who leave school get home in a timely manner,
038in a safe manner. So, that's something we've always been committed to. Um, I think the state's idea that suddenly, you know, your your public transportation providers were going to start saying, "No, kid, can't get off here. You got to keep riding a bus to them. We find a different spot for you to then walk to some other like that wasn't reality to go through a transit center, right? Or to not go through a transit center if you're going to uh have to change buses." I also want to say that this year uh working with Metro has been great. uh we've come to the table on many occasions to hash out concerns including this topic that we're talking about right now. They've been very supportive. I think that the community at large has been very supportive
039in terms of doing work to make sure our kids are safe at our transit centers and I think that our city has data to uh demonstrate that and and as a district we have supported um the areas being safe uh for kids to get to and from school. I also think that our corridor model will reduce the number of kids who have to use the transit centers over time. It's going to take a moment, but um I do feel very confident about that. Great. Any last comments regarding uh the trans Great. Uh having dealt with that, uh can we now go over to the treasur and you can please tell us all the other things that are either in the House bill, Senate bill, in conference, waiting for signature, or uh anything else that makes
040us uh lose our minds. So, let me introduce myself as Debbie Downer. Um, so the um, God help us. Different versions, the governor's version, the House version, and the Senate bill, the Senate version. The House bill was the best for us, but it was still not fully funded. And so, the concerns on the formula are that they've not updated the cost factors, although they did update the in income side, so we got richer. will get less share. The House version just kind of set the formula aside and said everybody gets a tenth of a percent more than they did last year and then they would make an adjustment if your enrollment grew. Um they haven't they spent a lot of money on a study on special education factors, how to fund um students with disabilities,
041and they determined it was going to cost a billion dollars extra. So, they've just set that aside as well. Um, which is hurting our students with disabilities. Um, in terms of the property tax language that's out there, and I've lost track of what's in which bill, the worst case scenario is the one is the bill that recommends eliminating all property taxes across the state, which is will be insane to implement. Uh, every district will be forced to a state income tax. And um if that were to happen, if we were to lose all of our property taxes and had to replace them with state income tax, we'd have to have a greater than 3% school district income tax. Um I don't see that being approved right away. So there's that. The there's movement to eliminate
042inside millillage. So that's 4.19 mills for us. It's close to $40 million. How quickly that would hit us? probably a year out since taxes are in a year a rear and a rears. So we'd have a little bit of time to plan for that side mill. So um in the constitution it says that all governmental agencies um have a basic bottom level millage and the counties actually split it out on how to deal with that. So it it's a 10 mil set aside. So we get 4.19 of the 10 mil. I think it's 4.19. Um our bond levy is dangerously close to that. So I get them mixed up. Um and then you know the libraries, the counties, the cities all share in that 10 mills. And so if the if inside millage goes away,
043every got a government agency and that's why you're starting to see letters come jointly from cities and school districts. Um the 20 mil floor calculation is another the language that was in the governor's version and the house version. Um where they want to use fixed sum millage in the calculation of the 20 mil floor which would hurt us about $10 million a year um but won't hit us until fiscal year 27. The other language um is eliminating fixed on levies altogether which we have three of them. So what we don't know is the legislator are infamous for passing laws but not telling us how to they're going to be operationalized. So for example, we have a levy that's going to be on the ballot in November. Monday night, you're gonna be approving your second resolution
044and then Dan's gonna run it up to Hamilton County Board of Elections, literally so that we can get filed before any law changes. Now, Kevin did see a version of language that said it would only apply to uh levies after January 1st of 2026 election. Yes, thank you. That sounds at least more reasonable. But what doesn't what it doesn't address is what happens to the ones that are currently on the books. Like is it when they come up for renewal they convert over and do they automatically convert over? Do you have to go back to the um public to get them revoted on as a fixed rate levy or what they call current expense levy? So we don't we don't know. I've reached out to Hamilton County auditors and they don't really know. They just
045said just keep proceeding as if things were normal. And so that's what we're doing. What else in the state? I think there was I was say one other thing and I don't know if you mentioned this, Jen, but the in addition to how we do levies, they also want to change there's also been talks around changing how the voters approve a levy. Thank you. Which makes it even more difficult for some of these districts who currently have been struggling to get to 50%. um to be able to get to 60% um poor levy. And I know one of the comments from one of the I I can't remember if it was a state senator or state rep, but essentially it was like well they can't pass if they can't do the inside millage or they
046can't do stuff. Well, they just have to go to the voters for income levy and hope again. Now you're talking about 60% on that as well. So now you're not just talking about those folks who have property. you're talking about everyone who has some income and then there's even levels in that where an income tax doesn't hit a certain portion of the income. So still a pocket of folks are left out of right a school district income tax is different than a city income tax in that it only applies to the residents. Um and so you know but if everybody's jumping on board for school income taxes then there's going to be a majority that don't pass. Um, our renewals have been we've been very fortunate to pass in the 60s. Um, although the last
047one was lower than the last three times that we passed a renewal, it was still in the 60s, but any new levy is going to be severely at risk. Um, uh, Jim, got a question. You said the 3% state income tax. Is that um a local tax income local income tax we'd have to replace that with? So, it's not a statewide tax. It No, it's a school district income tax. School district tax. Got it. Income tax. Yep. And it would have to be 3% just to make It have to be greater than 3%. So, we get about $390 million a year in property taxes in order to make up $390 million of loss revenues. We would have it would be a little bit over 3%. But, so it would be 3.25 because you can only
048do it in 0.25 increments. And you said residents. So, we're not talking just property owners like people that own apartments. Now, you're talking about people that live in apartments. Yes. Anybody that lives in the district um would pay off of income tax. Obviously, unless you live on uh planet Pluto, uh you know, it's pretty obvious that this is consider this is the kind of nuclear effort of defunding schools at this point in time. But I worry about our messaging. I don't want the community to go out there and say, "Yeah, they just can't wait to tax us all the time. They're trying to keep that tool or whatever." and instead of us being able to say, you know, we've waited eight years, we've waited nine years for new money approach. So, I don't want I
049don't want that message to get lost in the fact that we're fighting to keep our ability to be the taxing agent to I mean, that is our that's our number one responsibility as a board is to find the money to educate the children of greater Cincinnati. I mean, that's it's that's it. That's a we're a revised code. I've spent more time with the media in the last two months than I have in 10 years. That's right. So, um the message is we're trying to get it out there. We're asking them post social media, contact their legislators. Um and we're say using the same message every time with each whether it's radio or TV or print. Any other comments, questions about what to do from the state? So, we will know when the governor signs the
050the budget, which may not be until June 29th or June 30th at midnight. So, back to the original concept, we want to be able to say that we have done everything we can do so that all we really are having to deal with is this crisis of adjusting to what Columbus because that's an important message. people are getting very effectively, very comprehensively that we are not getting enough money from the state. They're getting that message and that the that the national government's ready to do damage to us, too. Maybe not this fiscal year, but you're saying that would more likely be the next fiscal year where whatever retribution there is from the feds, most of it anyway, would be the next f the next budget. Yes, sir. I was just going to say the one
051thing I do think is important for us to be able to communicate out is not just that we have not just like that we need it but what it's being used for and I think this is the one area where we have not done the best of jobs of talking about how you know these kids are impacted right the kid to have a kid say the message of like I went to school and was better prepared to go on to this next thing is a much more impactful message to a person who may be thinking about, do I really want to support this levy again? And I think in the districts where you've seen them not be successful these last couple years, it's in large part because their messaging is all about the district and
052not about the students. Good point. And like that's to me the strength that we have is we actually have some really good messengers in some of our young folks in some of the things that they're doing and some of the things that they are so proud to tell everyone about. um that really impacts and I and I say this also because I'm thinking about the situation with the recent grad where the message was about this kid is doing a great thing. He was an amazing person and like that's the thing people claimed to that's the people thing people jumped on to was how good a kid this person was and that should not be lost in that the fact that the district had a part to play in making that kid be that good a
053person and I think that's the because it's so easy for for us to talk about our business part and it's so hard sometimes to have the kids be the voice u but I do remember like that used to be the thing when Lebby conversation you used to walk out and you all the kids out there in the parade, right? Like trying to do the support and everybody's like, "Oh, I love the kid. They they should have a park. Why not? Let's Yeah. I mean, with Rose Band on the corner and get more votes than than anybody do else any comment on that?" I would just add add to that we know particularly on our stand regarding DEI um except for those people that have conflated affirmative action with DEI and that is not the same
054thing. Most of everything we've heard back is that our families and even folks that don't have kids in this district, they want the diverse learners to be treated properly and educated properly and differently. They they recognize and value the diversity and to your point, not the diversity of the district, but the diversity of our children and our teenagers. I think it's I think that's critical and it's very good point. Yes, ma'am. Just one other thing I want to uh point out. I believe it's true that there is still conversation around our school houses themselves and the whole building utilization efforts uh to take schools from communities. I'm greatly concerned about that and um just want to make sure that's still on the radar. To that point, is it still circulating in any part of the
055budget negotiations? I think in every part of it, some of the lang some of the language between bills has changed a little bit, but um I think every one of the bills has included some language around the sale of property. Okay. or the basically the uh what shall we say uh taking it to so when we first saw that language that came out a little bit stronger than it had been before we reached out to Brenda Weamer our bond council and um she's very concerned about properties that are under debt um or they're under some kind of a debt obligation and then you know there's school districts that only have three buildings and so what are you going to do? Take away their elementary school and so there she has a lot of concerns about
056and some language is like that's crazy. So um I think that'll probably in be in court for a while if if they were to vote it through. Have we prepared for this so that we are not victimized enough superintendent? Where where are we do and is this about under uh under enrollment somewhere? Is it under usage, capacity? What I mean, what what about the buildings that might not be used right now at all or what have you, general counsel? I I mean, I think the growth plan was all about trying to Yes. uh utilize our buildings effectively and that that's I I mean uh that will have a substantial uh improvement of our position by ensuring that our that our schools are um being utilized properly. Uh in terms of the district does not have
057a lot of vacant or unused properties and those that um we do the board has directed us to look at what the process is for selling those. So we've been in conversations even this week making sure we're taking steps part part of our projected revenues next year will come from the sale of some of these properties. So um and the definition of capacity on their end has changed. Yeah. So it is now um at least 60% of either your FMP capacity or the highest over the last 10 years. And so I think um the changes that the growth plant did and the changes that are coming about next year and the superintendent um plans will minimize that. There are other districts that are in total panic like Columbus and Dayton. Dayton's having to sell off
058brand new schools, like brand new schools because they are so under underutilized. Um, Cleveland, same thing. So, um, and I don't, you know, how's ODW going to handle all these buildings? Well, I think that's the point though is that they don't care. Um, but I do think they just don't. Um, it's the quote of the day. They don't care. I think though to that point and that maybe one thing that's also slightly different from how our district has been has grown versus some some of the other places have grown. You know Dayton a large portion of their idea was to build basically cookie cutter schools that could size a certain size of uh of of a uh enrollment. So when you fall short of that you still have basically the same school, same space, blah
059blah blah. So now you're having to move students further and that kind of stuff and it'll have impacts on how their budgets work. Columbus is a similar deal where a lot of their students are being poached out to some of the suburban neighborhood spaces and other things. So the city of Columbus school district is very different than what the city of Columbus looks like. Cleveland is in its own unique space of just declining population. But I think that's one of the things that we have to be very cognizant of is not just about the number of schools but where our students live. because where the population changes happened, we're seeing overflow of students at certain parts of our district and then we're seeing kind of a declining student population in some parts of our our
060city. And so I think that's the other part that we have to just on a regular basis maybe that's something on a regular basis comes before budget and and policy is to review kind of what our enrollment patterns are looking like or what our population patterns are looking like for the children in the district. s sitting in this actually at this table for a year and a half or so for ad hoc. Uh the besides the idea of the utilization of the buildings, it has been to recognize the demographic changes that have occurred since the magnificent facilities master plan which was 78% by local dollars. That's I just I just wait I for the state to come in and tell greater Cadians, "Oh, by the way, and we know you spend your local dollars to
061build this building, but we're taking it." I I really I think people forget the nature of Cincinnati. I don't You might be able to do that in Columbus. I don't You're not going to be able to do that very well here. It's it's a different attitude about the schools and the ownership of it. And indeed we've spent a higher percentage building these buildings than other school districts did as well. So there is that ownership. Um so obviously the administration knows what the target areas are, what the concerns are, where we need to be continuing to do stuff in in that area. Yeah, we'll take a a new look at it once um like the September time towards the end of September when enrollment kind of settles into its new year. um and look for areas
062of concern. We are uh good then with what we're planning regarding appropriations and we have both the superintendent and the treasurer recommending that we do the 30-day but we have finance and the superintendent and the treasurer also in agreement with finance that it's a 30-day but based upon us doing what we need to do on Monday night. Yep. Because the only chance anybody's going to have to get this right in that short period of time is you all telling us how we have to adjust now to whatever the state in its infinite stupidity has done. They're terrible. It's we're it's terrible. It's just it's terrible. So, we're good on that. And we've done the uh policy piece. We have not yet talked very much about the requests on Monday night. What is it? And we've
063seen our we've seen our uh agenda for Monday night kind of. Yes, sir. Can I make one recommendation on the old business on the levy topic? Is just that we open up or continue or bring forth to the board a conversation with preschool promise about kind of connecting up on this levy renewal campaign efforts or activities. Um, I know we've been talking a little bit about it in the background, but I don't know there's been formal conver because you know, like again, like last year they brought a video to us, which was like dramatically impactful with this, you know, young girl talking about her sister getting to do the same preschool experience she got because of doing these works through preschool promise. And I think that that that heartstring touching point is something that I
064don't know the public always understands. So, yeah. And I think but I think the truth is that our levy needs to be a like a combination of some of those things. So we have our own heartstring stories that we can pull out and I think they've been willing to have be a part of the conversation. They've come to us and said they're willing to kind of keep us at where we were that kind of deal. I just think more of a formalized conversation once we get past the budget to really bring something together that we can kind of bring to the public because the other part to it is I don't think folks in the public always understand how the preschool dollars work which is the other part of it that's really uh you know
065I remember being out there and hearing folks going like well why can't you use head start no we are why can't you use this no we are why can't you do that no no we do like these are dollars last or last you know last dollars, right? Like, so I think just being able to explain that to folks and be able to do it in a way that touches to, you know, meet blah blah blah and her great experience is something we can connect with them on in addition to our own. You can refer them to one of the Just Ask Jensen where we did preschool. Yeah. And like that's what I mean like those types of things that we can make a formal effort. So I just want to make sure that's still on
066the table for us to connect with them. Yeah. We typically start like the planning committee after we get the second resolution done. Yep. And and we do need to put that comm that committee together because we do have to channel and uh uh strengthen our message on this one and what's coming in the future but not confuse people about it. Mr. Crosset. Yeah. I just remember I can't remember his last name. I think it's Micah came and spoke to us. Cameras. Yeah. I think I think his um uh presentation and his um spirit was very much uh to be aligned with us and to work with us. I I'm optimistic that all that can happen. Uh so just leverage that that speech that he made. I think that's right. I also think that there will
067be some votes on Monday night as we get ready to talk about some of those that will obviously communicate to the community that people are making sacrifices. I think when the preschool people came in and I was I was floored but pleased, saddened but pleased when they said they understood that it's probably not the time to ask for what we really need for preschool considering the buying power of the money that we passed 10 12 years ago or whatever it was. um is such that we're going to be asking for the same amount of money that has the least it has much less purchasing power. But they understood that we couldn't be asking for more. There will be other things that will be huge messages that I hope the media picks up. Everybody is making
068some sacrifices here and in this mystery world that we're living in. Uh and and people have to have to grasp that. I think you were about the preschool monies. People don't understand that. And I know you get mad at me when I call that preschool levy or whatever renewal. This is not a preschool levy. I know it isn't, but I understand. And I got the 15 million here or whatever. But what people also don't understand is the amount of money that is spent in this district on preschool. And whether you're talking and it's not just that money. It's not just that 15 million. To your point, we we people think, oh, you only spend 15 million on preschool and you divide it two ways. No, not really. We spend like 30 million. Well, that's another
069part of the message that So, we report that out at finance committee on occasion. We can bring that back. I think that needs to be part of the message besides Go ahead. Yeah. I think like the idea would be that, you know, it's not just about preschool also, right? So it's about the kids who are doing you know any of the career tech any of the other things that we as a district do as part of the operation of the district. I think preschool promise since preschool promise as a part of that the play in in that conversation. So I just wanted to make sure that we are y bringing them in. But I think you know we can bring in the business community you know all these different folks who are part of how
070the district operates who can help us message in a way that particularly staff of the district are not allowed to do. That's right. So whereas the board can but except the superintendent's allowed to. Yeah. And the treasurer. I can talk about finances. Yes. But I think that's that's the part for me is just make sure we get the people at the table in that discussion once we've gone through the right steps to really display our kids in a way that really reminds the city that our kids are great. Yes. Um that being the case, what are some of the other things that we will be voting on on Monday night before we start to do some of the regular business here? So, uh some pretty large items. Uh we talked earlier about the sale of
071property uh that the board directed us to look into and um general counsel can talk more about that if you would like. Uh we are also bringing back the whole school social worker proposal knowing that we have 90 and a half school social workers and the proposal will be asking for an adjustment of eight of those 90 and a half. And then uh we did launch into a spring TAC this year uh which for a couple of reasons. one to help us with the current budget and then secondly to avoid such um challenges in the fall uh when we typically do TAC and then a riff a reduction in force uh and I think overall it's about 140 positions and then uh you'll see the negotiations uh request um to support and general counsel can
072talk about that as well and um moving forward with the negotiations with the city. Yes. So that's okay. That's how we tag team. Yes. Yes. Yes. Dan, you want to talk about that? Yeah. And just on on the previous items, just to be clear, I think there were some questions. The board won't be voting to actually sell parcels on Monday. There's a lot of preliminary steps that have to take place. Be authorized to do it. That That's right. But uh glad glad to answer any questions the board has about that on Monday. Uh negotiations that point. uh very pleased to be presenting some uh uh agreements with the unions um uh for the board's approval on Monday. And then lastly, uh we have an ongoing discussion with the city about the CRA TIFF agreement uh
073which comes up and will expire uh the the board's authorization to the city to uh off offer tax abatements expires uh December 31. This is something we've talked to the board about a little bit earlier this year uh at like the retreat and maybe a couple other times, but uh you know the city has an interest in extending that CRA tiff agreement. Uh the board has an interest and and Miss Dunn knows this very well in making sure that uh we get our fair share in terms of uh payments in lie of taxes. Uh and that's particularly true for tiff districts that the city approved right at the end of the last agreement and they did it under the lower rate. So um that was in December of 2019 and we hope to get those
074up to a fair uh payment in lie of taxes. Uh we also have had some discussions with the city in which may have um may be helpful to the district in terms of its cash position now. Um so that that if some of those increases were approved uh by the city that that would help our cash position even for next year. And so uh want to continue to have those discussions. We're optimistic that we might um even have an agreement to uh recommend to the board uh shortly uh along those along those lines. Couple of other notes. There's been some changes in the law since the last time we negotiated this which has made it uh made the board made the board's role in approving uh especially CRAAS it has diminished the board's right to
075approve which is kind of our leverage in in negotiating this agreement. So that's been difficult. And then the way uh cities and municipalities are defining residential properties is uh up in the air a little bit and and you'll see there's litigation going on in Norwood uh city schools right now about that. So all very relevant to the leverage that the school district and board would have in trying to negotiate a fair deal with the city uh for the extension of that agreement. uh look forward to talking to the board more about that in the next um uh near future because we'd like to we we'd like to near Dan very very near I there there may be opportunities yeah there's there's an opportunity here for us to again um if some of those tiff percentages
076are increased immediately uh that would have a positive impact for our cash flow next year. Um so uh we are we we've talked to the city uh they have to go through their approval process as well. This isn't like something we need to approve on Monday but it is something that time is of the essence I think glad glad to at least introduce the topic here and and if there's any questions about that and the reason why we're talking of it now is because we're using some of those estimates to help balance the budget. Well that's my question. So, uh, is that wise? So, I mean, the city's let us down so many times, I can't even count. Agreed. What we understand is that the city is is willing in exchange for an extension of
077the agreement is willing to treat the tiff districts as uh 33% um payments in lie of taxes instead of where they are now as 27%. And that would have an immediate impact of about 2.5 million two two and a half million in this calendar year in this calendar year. Um uh and then an addition you know 5 million next year 5 million next year. So yes there is there is benefit in in us working quickly if if um if the board's inclined to to move in that direction. just cross it. Mr. Greg, let us know. Yeah, we'll do. So, if we're not doing it on Monday, then the next time that the board would have an opportunity to do that would be July 9th. There's July. Um there's also a joint a joint meeting with
078the city, I believe, scheduled early in August. Um I'm not sure whether that's still going, but I I've talked to the city solicitor. They are also working their way through an approval. they realize that this is a process for for both parties. So, um we've I've got their assurance that um uh that that this offer isn't going off the table, you know, on Monday. Okay. So, we will not be voting on that on Monday. No, but would like would like the board's proxy to move in that direction. I I won't be presenting a final agreement for you on Monday. uh but would like some um again authorization from the board to continue uh getting to a final agreement with the city. Could and again I you know we talked about it several times now. So
079I think we have a kind of a good idea and I think based on whatever kind of the framework of agreement looks like. I think we may also be able to do some type of authorization like you know a board vote to say you are authorized to u negotiate these terms which we've done on other things before um because I do think this is kind of a critical thing but also we want to make sure that the city we don't get ahead of the city on some of the stuff as well like if they're saying that they agree to it but then they'll end up doing it we don't want to necessarily be so reliant upon that but give you whatever authorization you need to do that that's Right. And and I just want to
080say also just I I mean CTF has really been a partner to the district I think in some of these discussions. There is a continued role for the district and other interested parties to be vigilant about how the city is exercising the authority to offer incent tax incentives. So notwithstanding that we hope to get an agreement with the city, it's it's an ongoing process. they they they should be using this this authority to grant incentives in a way that's beneficial for the city and and not just giving these away um to developers that you know that that don't need to be incentivized. That that's the the other thing I was thinking about also though is that in not doing these and not doing that excessing authority there is that potential idea that we would get
081revenue but it would be a very short-term growth and I think that's the other thing that I think we've we as a board weigh is that the truth is that increased values in in real estate sounds wonderful from the city level from the state level it makes us a richer district under all the different funding methods methodologies. So, it's important for us to still be able to find the best ways to get the full amount of revenue we can for our problem. Thanks. Any other comments about that? Let's do kind of our our usual if since these lovely people have been waiting and then we'll uh also uh if we can talk a little bit more in detail so that the finance committee kind of understands what's going to be happening budget-wise so that we
082have three votes that we know are are as knowledgeable as we can be so uh to help build the answers that we need. Monthly financial reports. Kevin Um, okay. Yeah, waiting patiently, which is always good. Good discussions today, though. Yes. Well, I noticed that more than once or twice the pleasure looks over to her left for the two of you to help give her some advice and thoughts or verify what she's saying. So, I know it's not time wasted. Yeah. Glad to have you here. Thank you. Um, she does a great job framing everything. She's counting the meetings down, just the board meetings, not the finance. They're kind of entertaining. Okay, go ahead. All right, so this is just the overview slide. Um, if you'll go back, go keep going, Rob, to the cash and
083investments. Um, this is general ledger all funds. Um, 176.3 million. Um, just point out the blue is our operating cash at the end of the month of May. We're always living in the past here, I feel like. But, um, sometimes that's better. Yeah. And then, uh, the orange is the star. Ohio P's 34 million. Uh, as we've talked about tax, this is kind of we're getting to our low point, but the first week in July, uh, we should get our first property tax advances. They've already laid out the timeline for that. Um, so we kind of eat into our Star Ohio to get us through to that point. Um, the gray is the long-term investments that we maintain that Red Tree manages for us primarily. And then the yellow is the debt related. If you
084look back to last month, we did pay off the 2010 debt issue that we had a syncing fund accumulating to 21 million. So 21.7 million. Uh so that was paid off at the end of May. Uh so that pie piece has gotten smaller as scheduled. As scheduled. Yes. Not early. Yeah. We made annual contributions which varied depending they were scheduled and then depending on how much um interest revenue those types of things came in determined how much we had to contribute each year. But we have been since 2010 15 years um contributing to that payoff ever since then. Uh the next slide is just the general operating account just to kind of show uh how that fluctuates. Uh like I said specific to that account. Uh you see we had 36 million in there at
085May but again it fluctuates throughout the year. Uh next slide is the general ledger. So these are the fund cash balances um for all the funds. Um, last month the debt service was higher obviously now that we booked the 21 million that came down to 58 million. General fund had 77.4 million. Um, state and federal grants um pretty much kind of zeroed out. We we've done um project cash requests for June which were things spent in May. So there'll be some timing. Uh we do have which another thing will be in the treasures report is um fund advances and I didn't print that out. Um about eight $8.5 million will have to be advanced from the general fund to cover grant funds that are waiting on those reimbursements, okay, to come in. It affects our
086balance for general fund. To give you some context, last year with ESSER, it was a much larger advance. Um, so this this year it is is less because we we're not having to cover that fund balance at the end of the year. Again, those are estimates as Jen mentioned. We still have the last payroll to go and there could potentially be a few journal entries. So, um, we're just estimating that, but once you approve it, that's the number I'm stuck with. So, but we appreciate that approval on Monday as well. Uh next slide is general fund cash balance. Um we'll talk a little bit as we go through revenues and expenses but our cash balance again 77.4 incumbrances were about 21 I believe now going to the end of the year they're less than 19
087uh which is lower than last year. So I think that's helpful in terms of the budget. Uh, next slide is a three-year history of just the general fund. Um, you can see compared to last year, it's obviously a little bit less. Um, I don't know at the moment what the number is. Again, we still have the last payroll. So, we'll re look at that again in July. Uh, next slide is general fund revenues. Uh, if you take out the 75 million tax anticipation, note, broken record like Jen said. um from last year. Our revenues are actually a little bit higher than they were last year. Once you take that out, what are we taking out? The tax anticipation note that was a we had to do that short-term financing to cover us until we were
088able to get tax advances. And um so that increased our revenue as well as our expenditures because we had to then pay that back during the year. Um the next slide just kind of shows the revenue trends by month. Uh you can see this year um we were a little bit lower than last year and a lot of things factor in there. We did get the city does provide the tiff payment twice a year. Uh it was a little bit later this year. Last year it was in May. This year it's we've already got it in June. So there's some timing things along that line um that make differences there. Medicaid reimbursement. Uh last year came in May or June. This year we've been told it won't come till July. That's a few million dollars.
089Good that it's just a timing issue. Well, hopefully it's the same amount of money that we want to have. I mean, there's a reduction. Well, that wouldn't be this year. It's the coming year. Not for this year. Federal damage isn't going to be this year. No. And this comes from the state, right? Medic. Um and and their actually their email back to me was we ran out of budget so we'll do it in July. Okay. So well but the state does a cut off kind of how we do we do our last AP run early to close the year. The state does the same thing. So it was just getting through the process that that that got delayed. It wasn't anything nefarious I will say. But uh the next slide is uh general fund expenditures.
090Again, if you're looking at last year and you take off the uh 75 were actually higher this year and it's primarily related to uh salaries and benefits uh is the biggest difference there. Uh next slide is again expenditures by month. You can see they were a little higher in May. Um but we'll see how that shakes out for the rest of the year. Next slide is general fund unencumbered or uncommitted. Um you can see there's about6% that was uncommitted. Um and that's it. That's significantly lower than last year actually. Um the remaining budget for salary and benefits 43 million. Uh I think we'll see our salary savings. We've built some in there, but we'll see that there as well. Um, next slide is kind of a statement of cash flow just showing Mike usually covers
091this one. Um, but I put it together just showing that our revenues were 30 million, our expenditures were 48, uh, and our cash balance went from 95 down to 77. Again, nothing unusual there. Um, another revenue item we're waiting or that came in June, um, is a another is the TIF payment as I mentioned. So that's not reflected here. Um, preschool expansion just showing, you know, there's only a partial month um of preschool and so but in May there were 1,992 was the total number of preschool students for all funding sources. Um and then the next slide kind of shows you that tuition assistance calculation. Um again com this year 766 versus,035 last year is primarily because of those pilot seats that are funded through the ECE grant. Next slide is a and when it
092says CPS preschool students that is CPS, correct? Period over and done with. Correct. Okay. Those are students educated by CPS staff. Yes. Um CPS preschool expansion. Again, you see the um the second line of expenses payments to United Way, the 9.9 million, that's the amount that was transferred some from CPS to United Way uh and is used then by CPP. Uh everything else represents dollars spent for the CPS students. Um next slide shows again the number of students that are receiving some level of tuition assistance either full or part half day. Uh and for this year we ended at 766 the dark blue. Again every other year it was increasing. The reason it decreased this year is because of that ECU grant funds in this chart particularly for the messaging for preschool levy. because if
093people look at that bill think oh you're declining or something so there have to be a footnote always I I understand but on here yes but in the message going forward uh whatever literature there is make sure the footnote's there yeah just one question before we um on the slide before um are the revenues or I'm sorry the uh payments to United Way are we at the end of those payments for the Mhm. So there's a little bit of a savings in kind of what we budgeted for versus Yeah. actual spent they t just as we do we did they typically underspend their budget. So we'll net that off of next year's payment and on that same point with Brandon uh next year's payment probably will be smaller to United Way based on the No,
094I think it's going to be about the same in it. Yeah. with the change in the calculation. I'm I'm not exactly sure. In the master the new master agreement, we agreed that fiscal year 26 we would go to a per pupil allocation. So we did that in our respective budgets, but um CPP is asking for a greater budget to use more of the unspent cash. So that's one thing you'll see Monday night is the use of the unspent cash. So like $1.8 million, I believe. Is that sort of a one-time moment? No, it happens every year until that pot of money dries up. Okay. Which we predicted would dry up in 26. Is that impacting uh our bottom line? Are you using that money for So, we're using 1.8 million of prior year cash to
095help offset because what we don't want is CPP's budget to hurt our K12 kids. So, our K12 revenues need to be spent on K12 kids. So, we're using prior year cash savings to fund their extra bump in budget. Yeah, you might have to explain that a little bit. I'd be happy to. Great. And so then the next section is state and federal grants. Hello. Hello. I will try to go quick since we've have a a full agenda today. Um the first slide is just our trend of spending over all the grants. As you can see, we're um just still have a healthy trend line up of spending over the year. Our goal for the month was 62%. And so we're still, you know, quite a bit above our goal as well as last year and
096then two years ago. Um we've we've really made a lot of effort in the last two years to to really focus on this as um an important effort. Uh the next slide, thank you. Uh so again, our goal was 62% after our 11th month, which was May. We are at a good healthy level, especially if you look at our current year spending, which is where we're are we're working slowly towards spending our money in the year we receive it. And so, um and again, a shout out to the non-public team and and those schools. They have really made an effort to spend their funds this year. And that does again impact us because that impacts our title one carryover. So the more they spend um the better it works out for us on our And
097what do you mean by non-public team? The the who the who? Well for my team I have one associate Joe Blair that that manages all of their budgets and the team Dr. Futch and his programmatic team and then of course all the clerks. their clerks work for us and so they've just really made an effort to have educational sessions. It's it's trickier to spend those funds at the non-public schools because some of the rules are slightly different. Um they basically work as targeted programs and so they've really worked hard just to educate and support and push orders through and and follow up on issues and and you can see it's having an impact. It's great. Thank you. As far as activities this month, we were fortunate that the National Head Start Conference was in Columbus
098this year. So, two of my team members um took advantage of that to because it was so close, it made it cost efficient to just continue to try to really build our expertise, you know, as a newer team and and gain better understandings of the funds that we're administering. It was it was very um just very helpful and and really encouraging, you know, seeing what everybody's doing with those headart kids. It was it was great. Um and also some members of the ECE team went as well. So that was just a great opportunity that it happened to be in Columbus this year. Our biggest concern right now is fiscal year 26. Like everybody else um as we've mentioned before, there is a new application. So everything that used to be in the CCIP is now
099in a different place um in in the state software with a whole new look and and kind of process a more detailed budget level and things like that. And so we've been attending trainings and just trying to get ready for all of our grant applications that are due June 30th of this year. Uh the next slide. Thank you. So this nothing's really changed here. This is just our kind of final where we ended up with our allocations by um grant and our consolidated app. So, no big changes there. Next slide. So, this is where we were on spending by our primary grants on May 31st. Uh as you can see, we you know, just what you saw on the chart, we're continuing to spend out. Um the encumbrance number was at five million at the
100end of May, but as of today, we've really worked hard to continue to clean those up. That's our biggest effort for this year is to continue to um get people to get their invoices in, get them paid to make sure that we get everything in by our F dates. So, those have gone down significantly. And again, we're in good shape on all of our grants so far um as far as spending enough to to not lose any funds. The only one we're still working on a little bit is title one. Just trying to figure out where we're going to be. And that's why it's so important to get those things closed out and processed so we know, you know, where we sit as we approach the final expenditure reports. And then I had one more
101slide. I was not able I put this in your folders. Okay. I was not able to get it in because this information just dropped on Wednesday. So, as I said, we've been anxiously awaiting our applications to um become available in the one funding app from the state so we can start preparing them. And so, on Wednesday, um there's been delays from the the feds releasing the money to the state to release to us. And so, on Wednesday, we finally got our first application made available, which is title one. And they did go ahead and provide us some initial allocations. And so, just, you know, to keep everybody informed. So the fiscical year 26 initial allocation is showing you finally some, you know, official information that we have on fiscal year 21 federal grants. And so
102our title one allocation did come in about 1.5 million less than last year. That's our initial allocation. And so that's the the application we're working on right now to get prepared and submitted. Neglected and delinquent are pretty close. We do have one site that closed Talbert House. So, we're going to have one less um neglected site going into 26. That was a really kind of last minute decision that we just found out about in June. Then the three that have the red stars, title 2, three, well three um LEAL and immigrant, they gave us an initial allocation, but because the feds have not released those funds to the state yet, we're very late on those funds being released, they went ahead and provided us a 50% approximately allocation of what we got last year. So
103we can do some initial budgeting, but those funds really are not officially, you know, ours yet. So we do have something to work with. Title 4, we ended up pretty much right the same as last year. We're about 4,000 ahead. Um IDB and ECE, according to the state, they have the money from the feds, but they haven't finished diving it up among us yet. So we don't have our numbers yet. And then the last two are our school support grants. Um we do have those final numbers. You can see they went down by about half but we went from 15 schools to four schools. So really the impact explain that um you know thanks to the great work of the principles and and the support teams um those 11 schools exited CSI status and so
104it's again it's bittersweet because they get better messaging piece that needs to even be mentioned even Monday night somehow. So when you approve you get money taken away. Yeah, it's it's really all the things you implemented to to get there and now they're going to get snatched away because they took probing folks who will be broke for sure. But the good thing is that we you know for the four remaining schools you know they basically doubled the allocation to them. So the impact wasn't as great as we might have expected um because you know they didn't they re reallocated those funds. Now, the new um allocation period will open back up in January within when they identify schools again. So, we'll find out around January for the next year if we have schools, you know,
105being added or or leaving. So, anyways, that's that's what we have right now. We were we were just happy to get some information finally and we'll and we'll keep you updated as um as they continue to provide information. Even what you just mentioned too, even the federal government is practicing DEI because it's it's the equitable distribution of funds where needed. I mean, it just it's counterintuitive. Thanks. All right. Any questions? The the 50% on those three um title categories, that's just your estimate. No, that's what the state did. So again, they it's kind of they gave us the money so that we can get, you know, budgets submitted, but technically until we really have the money, we can we don't really have a substantially approved date. And so they have recommended that we don't enter
106into any contracts with those funds because, you know, we're assuming we're going to get the money, but you really don't know anything until it happens right now. So they have recommended that you know we do we really are cautious about spending any any funds under those three grants right now. I was just going to say I think this is also an example of why it's so difficult to manage even title funding because it's not just coming from the federal government. It's coming through the states who has a certain allocation which is why it's also delayed in the effects of changes to the federal budgets. Um, so it is a it's a valiant effort to stay ahead of the game as much as we can and luckily we always kind of budget about 90% because we
107don't know. So, you know, even though we kind of assume we're going to get more. So in this case, even though title one went down, we had budgeted conservatively with our planning for 26, kind of still thinking and hoping we're going to get more, but we don't have to go in and start, you know, cutting budgets or anything like that because we had already, you know, used a kind of a conservative number, right? Okay. Cody today to talk about code man. I offered everybody somebody made a comment nan um that people who took yesterday I got yesterday off to also took today off but those that had to come to finance committee didn't get that opportunity so I gave them the opportunity to take the day off and then I would do their slides for
108them um and Cody took advantage go for it so the first topic um is on data is is I attempting to do a return on investment on data coaches which has been proving to be very challenging um If you'll skip the first couple slides you've seen in um student achievement their test scores I believe. So this is data is coming from the academic side of the house. If you'll skip to slide 30 is kind of a summary. There you go. So what Cody was attempting to do is look at over the last three years of spend on data coaches what were the academic results and that was guidance from the academic side of the house is look at test scores. Well, we all know there's a lot of reasons why test scores go up or
109down. Um, data coaches could be one of them or could not be. So, um, what you're seeing here is an increase of 3.3 points as average percent of on ELA, six in math, and a little bit in social studies. So, the next slide shows you some of the challenges that um, Cody ran into, and he's working with Dr. Smith on this because the data is more telling when you get to the school level, but to look at school levels in this group is crazy. So, he's going to we're going to come back with more information, but some schools, you know, some of the scores could go up because we switched to using reading and math specialists out at title one. And so, you can't necessarily say it was the data coach that had that impact.
110Um, school by school, there are some schools that have the same data coach over a history of period, but have not improved their scores. So it tells us they may be used in a different way. Um that's diplomatic. You know, different grade level, different curriculums been implemented and different programs at each schools, whether they have resource coordinators, the level of social workers and graduation. So Cody and Dr. Smith have agreed to go in a deeper dive to come back with some more information. But what he what he did do was look at the amount of money that were spent on data coaches. Let's go to the next slide. Just on data coaches through Hamilton County. Um, and as you can see this big blip in 24 and that that completely relates to the grant that
111Nan was talking about, the school improvement grant because we had a big a big increase. A bunch of schools jumped into that grant and that's what they use their money for was data coaches and then when they improved and got out then the number declined dramatically. Okay, so next slide. So, what he was trying to do is determine the cost per increase in test score point. Um, and it's just not working. It's almost a fool's journey, right? And so, we we'll come back with some more information. Come on. Uh, scroll to the student. Well, we're trying to figure out how do you measure success of a data coach? You don't. And and the thing is the data coaches originally were were hired to teach people how to use data to drive to go away. Correct.
112Now it's become a crush haven't gone away or they're being used as APS or or whatever the school needs is how they're being used and uh we're paying a lot of money for that. How many data coaches do we have? And these are not the people that are the instructional coaches that are internal. No. Going around. I mean this this whole that coach thing gets a little funny. There's there's instructional coaches in the in the uh disciplines and and they travel in the throughout the district. I mean they the high school people and then the elementary people or whatever those are instructional to improve the teaching the effects whatever. I don't know if it's and curriculum frankly because they spend a lot of time doing that especially the newer teachers but but the data coaches
113how many of those do we know how many title one schools we have now there about 55 schools it's so there's probably 50 of them out there I don't know probably would know off top of his head but that would be great yeah that's not a problem there's a significant number and uh Brandon yeah I just wanted to like note and I think this is maybe something Cody and uh Dr. Smith can also take a look at is it does appear that even in looking at results that there's a more effective benefit from the lower grades than there is as they go up in grade. And I think again just maybe if we're really thinking about this or thinking about maybe that's in part because you can have the most impact on a child's kind
114of growth early. Then when you get later now you're trying to catch up or trying to figure out other things that that are already been affected already been built into how they learn. And so it may be worthwhile to just also think about as we think about these roles as we think about the benefits there may be social studies may be more beneficial at a middle age middle school aed students whereas math and you know ELA and math might be more effective at the younger profess looking at the well and and don't forget the the younger grades got the reading specialists too and so you know focusing on third grade reading and stuff like that. So yeah, we'll dig deeper in. Um, the reason I think this is so important is that this is an
115issue that I won't say divides the board, but there are board members who have some real concerns about the the the the contract uh and the the amount at the contract of the group that in in part are part of the data coaches and and many other incredible services offered uh by that vendor uh and partner. But so the more we can talk about that it would be better. I would just say if you look at the number 1.5 million you know on average they're probably about 100,000 a year. So it's probably about 16. Now it might be a 0.5 here and a.5 there but I you know everybody doesn't always have enough title one funds left for a full data coach. So they might have less but you know probably a rough number you
116can translates into FTE. I will say this from some anecdotal yes please information though is that I know some teachers have said what has helped them in understanding is better to understand what they're being measured against more so than some of the other data points. So like there may be a use issue also of how the data coach is being utilized correct and helping them to instruct right so like maybe less about effective tools and that kind of stuff that may be more instructional but more of understanding what information they're going to be measured against because I do think that's one thing I have heard from several teachers is that as we've used more data as more data is being part of the mix as to what they're being asked to know and being able
117to demonstrate It's helpful to have someone who can kind of walk you through and get you on the right path. And I think that's part of it. I also feel like we miss at that K3 level is that we're asking so much of that third grade mark that a teacher has to hit and then we don't really talk to them about how effective or how that working part in. So maybe that's another aspect of the data coaches. What is the data coach doing? Which really gets into my other issue with a lot of the other positions we have in some of our schools where we have folks doing a title here, but that ain't what they do. We need to make sure that this what we're using them for. Yeah, Jim. Yeah, I I I
118understand that the school by school information might be a little bit too much, but I would be curious and maybe this is not a question for the treasurer, but the superintendent's not here, but I would be curious about knowing if if the the data coaches that appear to be effective, if there's best practices that get shared and whether or not there's a review on that end of things, not just on this end, is it is there ROI, but is there a are there places where uh uh ROI is better than others and can we leverage that more places within the district? I will continue to share my prejudice about data coaches and and I just don't understand why teachers can't read the data. I just don't they are in other districts reading data and learning
119how to do whatever. I know ours is far more complicated than many other places, but it's it's hard for me. I like the original concept to teach how to do it and and then move on to something else because I think we probably have as much need for these very same kind of people to do other things. So, the title matching the service that they would be rendering. I just it is it is hard for me because I I don't begrudge this particular approach or who you know the the who we want to have us be partners and vendors but this is to to me this is very weird um to do this and I'd rather we have these same talented people do something else because I'll tell you what the instructional coaches are doing
120is really important. We need more mentoring of our teachers. uh we need more help that way, but I I just don't understand why we can't find somebody that can read the data. I just it's it's in it's very hard for me. That's my prejudice. I try to overcome it, but ever so often I can't. Uh next, so couple slides. Slide 35, please. So, um, on somebody asked Cody to look up the cost per student device and so he worked with Jeremy on breaking it down to a device level, you know, the lease cost, imaging it, um, some of the software, tracking software, and then the distribution of it. So, we're down to a $330 per student device. So then I challenged him to go back to Jeremy to figure out, of course you did. Do
121is there a way to measure student technology growth um you know their skill their technical skill sets, computer skills on how effective this use of this tool is. Um because you're not going to be able to tie tile tie it to anyone's subject or score other than if they do a pre and a post of technology skills um or how much it's in use. So looking at other ways of um trying to track the use of the student devices and now there's an example of where data made a difference like two years ago when we were making cuts and what have you it was the take-home the instruments and stuff and then somebody came actually and said this is how it's being used and that changed that changed board's interpretation or perspective instantly right is
122what we were paying for what was happening is is that my recollection I and change change this enough to make the vote. Um you go to change the whole board's mentality. Um, I do think though this is maybe a question to to Cody for Jeremy as well is is the cost per device makes sense if every student had a device, but I thought as part of what we kind of dictated was that the devices would be sufficient for them to have a school set school set so that students could use throughout the day that may be, you know, so it may be different at a K through three or K through six as to what the cost per device is versus 6 through 12 or whatever the other higher grades where they actually are assigned
123a device that they have to bring back. Um and then I think to your point usage because even at the upper grades it wasn't exactly a high usage uh high number or high amount of usage. It just was greater than at the K through three level. Um but that would be helpful for for kind of understanding the benefit for the dollar. I agree. Okay. So, that's it for today. That there won't be any um CRA or TIFF agreements requiring approval. Okay. Um and we'll build that in hopefully sooner than later. Um one thing to say, and this is a followup what Brandon said a couple of uh comments ago about the return on investment. I know that we looked at that from a standpoint of trying to figure out the value of the dollar versus
124the result. But the one of the impacts that you your anecdotal stuff about what the teachers say, it's important to to me. The more you do of this, it's not about process change or or evaluating necessarily results. It's us having a way to measure what is happening be and in I hate to use the word centralized but it's a particular perspective of what to measure and and how to measure it versus kind of this helter skelter way of of figuring out this is being successful or this isn't being successful and it's a way to compare school to school uh and what I mean there's it's bigger than just that even for the results piece I think it has a instit institutional or systemic impact. Well, with shrinking resources and we're trying to determine what spend
125is getting the best of our buck and priority on spend, this is these conversations are helpful. Absolutely. Um I do have one last question. Is have any of you had the opportunity to look at the treasures report yet with the new formatting? I have. I have not. Okay. Is it wonderful? We think it is. Um, so I I was just going to ask for feedback. If you had a chance to look at it, you don't have to now. It's just we can get it Monday night, too. The the the issue is there the new contracts or the one-time contracts, and this will be easier for the public and for the board to read. Are we anticipating anything that is particularly new? What will what's the what will be the mood of the board or is
126it even a possibility that board members will say no to new stuff? uh until we figured out how does that how do you respond to that? So if we want to go through and talk about the new the question has to be asked why why is it new and try to understand why is it new? It could just be a change in vendor. Yes. Okay. So um because somebody different person won the RFP that was issued or something. So those are the kind of questions that will come up on the floor. Hopefully we'll be able to answer them. I want to anticipate I don't want any surprises for administration or the board. Um, so help us out with that. You might even guide us a little bit about ask why and maybe you may that
127as much as we can help facilitate that. I think that would be good. I think yeah, I mean I think the color coding helps to to guide us a little bit better. Um, I do think it'll be helpful to almost explain upfront like have the kind of definitions of what these things mean. The legends at the beginning of that section and I'm going to walk you through that on Monday night. But I think that's where to to East point like that might be where you would say okay this a new contract can be this type of new contract can be this type of new contract can be this type of new contract or whatever. Um because I could see someone saying but it's the same contract and it's like well no we had to do
128this change here so now therefore it's a new or this is the same company why is it a new contract because it's a different amount or different whatever or they won the bid again. So yeah yeah so there's a lot of reasons for that. Yeah, I think that I think it's going to be very helpful about looking so that we can facilitate Monday's meeting even further than we've done already today. Uh board members, gentlemen, do you have anything in particular you think the board needs to see to be able to move forward besides um I mean anything? I it has to be a big night. I I don't particularly see that there's anything that's not I mean I went and looked through the budget slide deck um and I don't think there's anything necessarily new.
129I do think what will be helpful is one walking us through the um operational efficiency because there's a number of folks again we keep pulling from central office positions and I and I worry that we are some of the positions make sense some of the positions are actually out in the school but they're budgeted under central office which is another whole part to this conversation that is a little bit confusing when we say central office right because the security position is rarely a central fields are budgeted at central office but they are allocated and they do that because they move yeah constantly so it's easier to manage that way but so I do think walking us through the operational like effects you know like what are we what are we need we made these decisions
130because of this thing that we can still do or this thing we're no longer be able to do but we'll refigure this way um whether that's educational whether that's the instructional side or just general business operation ational side um would be helpful for folks so they understand why this why these people why certain positions were selected why certain things were not what you aimed for kind of that kind of guidance there was a slide well actually two or three slides actually a couple board meetings ago that they talked about but didn't go through which I think I have to bring those back and make sure they're still accurate because some of the positions have changed but um yeah there was a the impact of those cuts was articulated in bullet points. So we just have
131to bring those slides back and actually talk through them. One that one particularly for me was and it's very operational was the idea we're going to do some changes. It might have been personnel uh regarding u our computers and instruments of being delay in fixing or delay in uh being able to take care of a lost one or a damaged one. That's that impacts instruction almost immediately. But they increase the break fix contract. Okay. Just for that reason. Good. See then that that helps me. And you know they can the vendor can only be as good as the school's report. That's right. Right. I got it. Yes. Um the delay in technology is related to the shifting of the lease payment. Mhm. Which I just know that from the schools, one of the very few
132things I have heard a lot people have ceased talking to me too much. Uh the the uh is the issue of that that's a problem because it does stop that instructional effort. I think I was going to say the one other is that the the springt idea or the the reallocation. Again, I think just really stressing what we're doing for the 41 positions, those efforts. And again, that's more the superintendent side of it, but um I do think that would ease uh certain folks feelings about how those positions are being moved or how those positions are being reallocated or what they're being used for. Um but any anywhere like that where there's something that we are moving a substantial group of people or looking at that it's just helpful for folks to be able to
133understand what will happen. Mhm. Jim, maybe on a bigger thought. So, this budget for Monday is based on the House bill, correct? The the likelihood that that's going to remain is probably kind of small. Is it or not? Who knows? We don't know. So, we don't have any better information to use. Yeah. At this point, is there not for Monday, but maybe for July 9th or something? Have you given any thought to what we might have to do uh based on what might happen? And I I I don't expect you to have any details, but I just think there's you probably have to have some anticipation of that. I've given out a lot of thought and nobody likes my thoughts. Okay. But yes. Okay. Good. You can share. I mean, you don't have to say
134anything in detail now. I don't think it's worth it. I just one example that I came up with was going to state minimums on transportation which everybody hates that idea and I do too but we're getting kind of desperate to look for big dollars to cut. And when you do that that's the issue of we're not going to transport any of our high school children. So just just going from one mile to two miles would save about $4 million. And that means we'll probably lose 15% not doing that's what I'm saying. It's not a bad idea. That's an ugly thing. It's no no question about it. But you know, our three highest spends are transportation, people, and utilities. You can turn the lights off. That's a thought. We just work in the dark. Well, actually,
135I I honestly do believe there's savings to be to be uh rendered uh regarding utilities. uh even with all the wonderful technology we have just to help us save we I think there's probably all kinds of things like that uh I just think you have to rem remind the board members what we have already done because I really it it's frustrating for me when another board member myself included I'll do this I don't remember we did that so I I think there does need to be the list of what has been done has been accomplished has been cut, has been reorganized or whatever. I think that's in the slide deck. It's in the slide deck and and that needs to be emphasized so that they're starting at uh the same um platform, so to speak.
136What do you all worry about about Monday? I'm not worried about Monday. I'm worried about what's the state's doing. Okay. Uh yeah, I think that's that's fair. And I I still worry about the feds later, too. But what has to get done on Monday night? Back to Brent. The most dated information or I can't think of a better term right now, but is the approval to go do the riff because employees need to know if they're if they're going to lose a job, they need to know that so they can go find a different one. So, and we would I mean I would say anything you have said we need to vote on we need to vote on and it has to pass. Right. So, authorization to move forward with the sales of land, authorization
137to move forward with the negotiation of the city agreement, authorization to go forward with the RIFF. I think those are the big the big ones. And then whatever other cuts you all are presenting to us or adjusting. [Music] Yes, there was some Shauna mentioned some that need to be approved like the social workers. Um I think there was two executive secretarial positions um that are really just repurposing, right? Because there's two retirements coming and so people will get moved. But um that's all I can think of at the moment. I think there were some contract also some vendor contracts that were Yeah. percentage because that was your motion on the second. Well, I mean if it's just that we've already voted on I know at that point we hadn't we gave authorization up to a
138certain amount. We did. you did. Um, we were not able to realize that amount because when we went and looked at all the splitfunded grants, I mean the split funded contracts, there was three major contracts that were split funded with ESSER. When that ESSER went away, the contract came to the general fund. So that offset that decrease and I can explain that again. Monday night, it's in the slide. So the motion was up to 16% or what? So instead of 15 million, we're only cutting 13 million. Okay. Yeah, it was it was a the amount that add or around or somewhere something like that but we didn't we're not actually realized what I think it only ends up being 10% though even though it's originally gold to be yeah so I mean the board can
139direct us go back and cut more event more contracts and we can do that before July 9th um so that's why I wanted to show that slide to say we weren't able to get to that percent because of the split funding um is that okay or you want us to go back to the drawing No, that's that's good. I I but I do think they're much more predisposed to vote less vendor contracts than than they are transportation pieces or something. Yes. Or or personnel. I mean, this I've been here 17 years. You've been here a million years. This is um this would be the largest uh reduction of force that I've experienced as a board member. I think there was probably bigger ones back in my baby days. I remember not in the last 17
140or 18 years. I know that's not if it's this is this isn't something we do lightly. No. I would also like again an explanation of vacancies. If indeed we are not if we are getting rid of vacancies or we're not filling vacancies, then does that mean we're not going to be at full strength or or what does that actually mean? Well, so define full strength. It's different for other people, right? Sure. So the central office vacancies were being eliminated. Okay. The schoolbased vacancies you can't just eliminate because they could be required by state law, federal law or the collective party. That helps. So what they're trying to do is remove vacancies that can be removed and then take those people and put them into positions that are required. It's a it's a heavy lift and
141CTF's been at the table working through with HR on all that staffing changes. Um, so I don't you want to add anything? I would just add President Sers is right now as we speak in another room in this building working through that process. That's why she's not here right now. Yeah. And we appreciate that. and and we do I mean this district is built on the collaboration between management and uh labor and we're proud of that. Um and I think it's uh everybody will see that everybody's going to be sacrificing and God probably we probably know that we'll be sacrificing more after we vote on the 23rd when the people in Columbus figure out what they're doing. And so without any other comments, closing mar remarks and we have to go to the public if
142we have any. But Michelle please. Thanks for the opportunity of public comment. Again, Michelle D with CFT. I just wanted to speak to the issue of data coaches. Um CFT um released our own survey among our membership uh between February and March of this school year. um really digging into uh the understanding, perception and um opinions and beliefs of our membership around the use of data coaches in their schools. And I can tell you we had literally hundreds of comments um saying in many different ways that um our membership has felt that this is not the best use of dollars. Uh in many many cases people did not understand the role. uh they are used very differently in every building. There is just no way um to make any summary um conclusions about return on
143investment and to even present these slides I think is almost irresponsible because it really doesn't tell us anything you know I'm just going to be frank. I mean, but we all deserve a good assessment of the use of this role on top of the fact that we are using title dollars and these roles have zero direct contact with students. Zero. Um so any effect on student outcomes is just through the teacher or through um the math and reading specialists if if at all. And and that's a measure that we don't have right now. So, we would just say um I know we're totally um able to share our survey results. Uh they include hundreds of comments from our members including some summary percentages of you know to what uh percentage do you feel that your
144data coaches um positively impacting student in outcomes and it's nearly 80% say no there's no impact that they can see on student outcomes. So that's just one example of a data point from our membership. Uh so I appreciate uh board member Craig's uh sharing of an anecdotal stories, but we also have a pretty broad survey result on our our feelings about data coaches in our schools and we'd be more than happy to share that with you. Thank you. Could you send it over to me? Yeah, please. Thank you. Uh and to the point, would you please speak to if uh we are getting close regarding CRA and TIFF? Are there any comment? Because I know you've Yeah, I think we were looking uh we're looking forward to meeting together. I think because of some people's
145vacation schedules, we haven't uh met with President Sers and legal yet and we definitely we've talked about this for years about being on the same page about uh what we want and so we look forward to that and are hopeful that we're going to get a better deal. I I do recall that the uh administration did say to the board that the there was going to be communication among them between uh y'all and and the administration. So, we didn't we didn't direct that. Uh they wanted to do that. I think that does show that not only that we work together, but the fact that you all are much better pressuring the city than we've been able to on on a number of issues. But thank you. Um, do we have any comments around the table?
146If not, do we have anybody participating? No. Well, then unless uh there's some reason to continue, uh, chair will appreciate a motion. So moved.